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More in-tune? Voters Lean Obama

With John McCain and Barack Obama trading barbs about who is the more out-of-touch (real estate-wise), in two new national polls, the law professor turned senator appears to have the edge on the Navy pilot turned senator.

In the CBS News-New York Times poll released last night, 55 percent of voters said Obama is someone they can "relate" to, while 41 percent said so of McCain. Among independents, however, the two run about evenly: 46 percent said they can relate to the senator from Illinois, 44 percent said so about McCain. Obama fares better on the question among Republicans (28 percent) than McCain does among Democrats (14 percent).

Is ... someone you can relate to, or not?

Barack Obama

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John McCain

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That poll also showed Obama with an advantage as the more empathetic candidate. Nearly four in 10 said Obama cares "a lot" about their needs and problems, just about a quarter said so of McCain.

But Obama too faces challenges on related questions. In the new NBC News-Wall Street Journal survey, 60 percent said McCain has a "background and set of values that you can identify with," 50 percent said so of Obama. And in the CBS-Times poll, while the two ran evenly on sharing "the values most Americans try to live by," McCain had a slim edge on this question among independents, 65 percent of whom said he shared such values; 59 percent who said so of Obama.

By Jennifer Agiesta  |  August 21, 2008; 1:31 PM ET
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First of all I would like to who are the groups of people your people asking in these polls are they surban whites, low middle class, hispanics, blacks? or are you just making this stuff up from the past.

Well people wake up this is 2008 not 1996-2000. what about the young people, what about the middle class educated people why are you people so focused on past election polls.

Look at the turn out Senator Obama has generate in the primaries they are not going to vote for McCain. Independents are not just the only group of people who are going to vote.

We need to stop trying to sterotype these polls and go out and canvass area and get the real source out predicting a poll.

This is so silly McShame has go the media in his back pocket and people are buying into this crap.

Posted by: Jacie - San Leandro, Ca | August 21, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

The polls are looking stronger and stronger for the Old One. The reported plan of the Democrats to come out strongly negative in their convention, should hurt Obambi, even more. The Saddleback forum will turn out to be the turning point, very much like the SwiftBoats, in 2004. In a normal debate, Obambi could have dodged the question about when life begins, more artfully. By telling us that the decision was "above his pay grade" BHO defined himself as an extremist on the question of Life. That answer is now showing up in the polls.

Posted by: ERISAMAVEN | August 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Jacie I really hope you're right.
Unfortunately we know that the political machine that the GOP

[ GRAND OLE PROPAGANDA ]

runs, is a smooth one.
It will be a travesty for this country and for anyone not making over $500k/year if McCain is re-elected. The US is in a downward spiral and McCain will hit the accelerator.

Posted by: carson grey | August 21, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey Jacie- you can't even spell. It sounds like a news report written by a 4 year old.

Posted by: Perry | August 21, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

These polls are so ridiculous and meaningless. I wish they would stop polling on things like "are they likable", "can you relate to them", "will their religion affect you", "can a man of color win", "can a woman win", "can another bush win". You could poll people on all kinds of things, just let it be and let people choose who they want and wait until Novemeber to see who wins.

Posted by: Zack | August 21, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Younger people do not really participate in polls since they use cell phones mostly and also at work.

Posted by: Adam Habib, dallas,TX | August 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It is the same old game...let us not fall for it again. Once beaten, twice shy the saying goes. I cannot believe that after 8 full years of deceit,lies,corruption and hypocrisy we are still even considering continuing on the same old track. This is simply stupid.Wake up America. Let us not be fooled one more time. No to McBush!!!!!

Posted by: dave | August 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This is a joke. Why do news organizations waste so much time conducting these useless polls? This one doesn't even mean anything.

Posted by: Dan | August 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Hey ERISAMAVEN

Do you like the way the Bush administration has handled our country over the last 8 years? (If you say yes you're not being truthful and you know it)
Then why would you support McShame when he's voted in accordance with Bush 95% of the time over the last 8 years? You really think anybody would see any changes if McShame was Prez? I don't, this old coot failed as a figher pilot, is married to a woman young enough to be his daughter and has NO CLUE how to be an efficient Prez!

Obama all the way dude, you too are out of touch with reality!

Posted by: luvwknd | August 21, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

LOL. Come on, we do not believe in polls anymore. I mean here is an example of how accurate polls are ..
WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Former New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani is the clear front-runner in the crowded GOP presidential field and has a substantial lead on the closest competition, according to a CNN poll released Monday.

Giuliani is the preferred candidate for 34 percent of likely Republican voters, according to the poll, conducted by Opinion Research Corp.

that was from march 17th do your own searches folks, and wake up!
Polls are used to manipulate ... this is their only usefulness ... POLLS LOL. jeesh.

Posted by: skippy | August 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Ummm... Jacie? What r u trying to say??:S

Posted by: Eleina | August 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm not sure how anyone can relate to any politician with nearly identical views as the least popular president in the history of history.

McCain isn't fit for a driver's license, let alone the presidency.

Posted by: Dave | August 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

The pollsters are consistently wrong. Just refer to this year's primaries. They have little predictive capacity.

Obama is wiping the floor with McCain. The lead is like inflation numbers - gamed by the media for now.

Wait till the election happens. I say 60/40 Obama in November.

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Man are the libs getting desperate or what "Who do you think you can relate too"? What kind of ignorant poll question is that? Are ANY of us ever going to have a chance to relate to either one if elected? Why not ask "Who is the darkest?" I bet Noscama wins that one too.

Posted by: robt | August 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

If the news sellers paid as much attention to issues that matter as they do to Opinion Polls, America might someday have an electorate that is informed instead of swayed. No wonder we get such bubble heads running...all that matters is what the polls say. why don't you tell us what these candidates PROMISE to do. not what the rest of the voters think. ???

Posted by: uffdaron | August 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Perry, uz jus dont unnertan tat by tipn n my fon i juz kant spel evrytin krektly - Uz musn be ovr tirty yeers old

Posted by: Jacie | August 21, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

And Zack.... Im totally with you!!!!

Posted by: Eleina | August 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama an extremist on the question of Life? What about John McCain's belief that the birth control pill and IUDs constitute abortion? I wonder what kind of birth control ol' John used when screwing around on his first wife....

Posted by: bobby2times | August 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I have been wondering just when all those poll takers would come out and admit it, they don't have a clue where the electorate will shake out come election day. As the highly energized young voters know, they are not represented in the polls. Neither are those millions of Americans who no longer have a "land line..." so 20th century after all. Five minutes into any cable news show that attempts to tell us what to think at any given moment have become (yawn) beyond boring. Which means that this election will be so unlike any in our history....if Senator McCain doesn't understand the new technology that is in the present, how can any thinking voter elect him to guide us in the future?

Posted by: Bernie | August 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I had the phone taken out of my house several years ago. I never hear from a pollster because they don't know how to reach me. BUT, I always vote! And, for the first time in my life, this year my vote goes to the Democrat. The Republicans don't deserve to win any elections up and down the line. They have reached a new low in being effective. (And, I've been a life long Republican). The truth that counts is going to be on Election Day and I just cannot believe McCain is going to win.

Posted by: Lee | August 21, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama has no chance since running a racist and sexist campaign. This man sat in a churh listening to racist sermons for 20 years and claimed he had not heard this stuff..........he is racist, sexist and dishonest.
McCain gets my vote for 2008 and it will be the first time I have ever voted Republican. Hillary 2012

Posted by: jodi | August 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I guess McCain does have alot in common with Bush, it seems he might have an old DUI.
www.mccanes.com/duihelpguide.html

Posted by: Johnny | August 21, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

To the above comment.

I am not sure what you are ranting about. Most polls show that Obama has held a lead of a couple percentage points continuously in the last few weaks.

In any case polls dont mean a whole lot. Facts and figures from past elections are far more telling. This election will be determined by only a couple points. Thats fact.

When more and more Obamanites see through his shallow retoric of change ( which somehow equates to messianic genius ) and realize that his terminology is truly just recyclced liberalism from the Wilson days.

Want prophetic insight into an Obama Presidency, take a look at a President named Carter.

Posted by: Sean P. Burt | August 21, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

The republicans are in so much trouble they are tyring to make a movie about Obama's teen years. http://www.theobamaplan.com

Posted by: Kanye | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I wonder too where they get these numbers for these polls. At least at the real-time open poll at http://www.bop-o-rama.com, a persons bops really count. It does seem that Obama is stirring up more emotion than McCain. His count is far out pacing McCain's count. McCain is still below 200,000. Where are the Democrats in cyberspace?

Posted by: acarponzo | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

non way for obama, he support AIPAC,WTO, NEW WORLD ORDER, obama will sell america to the world...once this happen, say good bye to "WE THE PEOPLE". obama will fade out america and make romm for the NAU(north american union)..you dollar will turn into "THE AMERO".

A new slaver master for the american people. credit is slavery. Income tax is slavery. The new police state. obama will have camera install on every block and some publice housing.

GOOD BYE LIBERTY..HELLO SECRITY (police state)

Posted by: steve n | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I agree with clearandsimple. No doubt Obama will win by 10+ points.

This country needs an intelligent diplomat. Not a soldier.

Posted by: Dave | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

You like it or not, Obama will win this November!

Posted by: Ahmed | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

The worst part about this poll is that in all honesty it doesn't really say much about who people will vote for. What the heck does "relate to" even mean. Does it mean lifestyle, political views? This poll is useless. Assuming relate to means lifestory I would say I relate more to McCain, however I'm going to be voting for Obama.

Get back to real journalism Washington Post.

Posted by: Nic M. | August 21, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I love to listen to the morons say "If you don't like Bush you can't like McCain". There are so many differences between the two that McCain had trouble solidifying his own base. Conservatives think he is too liberal. Does that sound like Bush to you? If it does then you have no idea what you're talking about. By the way, take a look at Obama's policies. Talk about same old thing...compare those policies with those of Jimmy Carter (One of the worst presidents of the 20th century) and you will see that they are exactly the same. Learn some history before you vote this radical left-wing lunatic into office and destroy this country. Obama=Carter, McCain=Something new.

Posted by: Nobama | August 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Voodoo voters love Obama! Obama for Depression Era President. What a great idea--NOT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/brightamericaneyes

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

For those trashing McCain, please keep in mind that in 2004 John Kerry seriously considered John McCain for his VP and he most likely would have beat Bush if he had selected John McCain over John Edwards.

Posted by: jodi | August 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Why would America reward complete GOP failure ?

Piss-Poor State-craft...
A Bungled economy...

McCain is still a young man in my eyes -
he just shares a tired old ideology with millions who don't possess enough self fortitude to admit that they can be wrong - and were wrong.

Posted by: PulSamsara | August 21, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Voodoo voters love Obama! Obama for Depression Era President. What a great idea--NOT!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/user/brightamericaneyes

Posted by: American Eyes | August 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

McCain couldnt manage the local Mcdonalds. The RNC wants him for his puppet abilitys., Oh yeah Mitt Romney is a puppet too. I was a republican until my party got hijacked bought and paid for by the RNC. I am an independant now. I liked Huckabee because he seem to care about the working class, and fixing the economy with real issues. But I dobt I will vote for McCain. I will vote for Obama or Barr. McCain is too old, he will just be a puppet. No more puppets. We need a president that actually will lead by his convictions. McCain changed on every position, just so the RNC would prop him up. http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Pete | August 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Here's how bad Bush/Cheney are -- I'd rather have had Jimmy Carter in the White House than them the last eight years.

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

When I hear John McCain say it would be
ok for us to stay in Iraq for 100 years,
when I hear him say he does not disagree
with a military draft, when I hear him say if women want equal pay for equal work
they should get more education and
work harder, John McCain does not speak
for me!

Posted by: Leigh | August 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

On one side we have a recognized war hero who showed enough character to refuse to be freed from a Vietcong jail (unless his soldiers were also freed) and tolerated seven years in those conditions without breaking. On the other... what is his record again? Voting 'present' most times at the Senate? Being the beneficiary of a bribe that his convicted benefactor tried to disguise as legitimate real estate transaction? Frankly, there is no comparison. Character should matter to most Americans.

Posted by: Pablo Vitaver | August 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Now that the Democrats are going with the "He's the same as Bush" campaign plan, they should make sure they hide the fact that BHO's "new ideas" are the same as Jimmuh Carter's old, failed ideas.

The problem with BHO is there's no there there and people are starting to notice.

McCain will enter October with a 15% lead and everyone here knows it.

Posted by: Rufus | August 21, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

On one side we have a recognized war hero who showed enough character to refuse to be freed from a Vietcong jail (unless his soldiers were also freed) and tolerated seven years in those conditions without breaking. On the other... what is his record again? Voting 'present' most times at the Senate? Being the beneficiary of a bribe that his convicted benefactor tried to disguise as legitimate real estate transaction? Frankly, there is no comparison. Character should matter to most Americans.

Posted by: Pablo Vitaver | August 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Not entirely happy with Mcain, however for the first time in my life I am making money and I will not let an elitist and socialist live high off the hog and re-distribute my money more than it already is! It is 3AM and the phone rings, Who do you want to answer it? The friend of a terrorist who bombed the pentagon? Not me! I'll take Grandpa anyday!

Posted by: polooso | August 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

McCain couldnt manage the local Mcdonalds. The RNC wants him for his puppet abilitys., Oh yeah Mitt Romney is a puppet too. I was a republican until my party got hijacked bought and paid for by the RNC. I am an independant now. I liked Huckabee because he seem to care about the working class, and fixing the economy with real issues. But I dobt I will vote for McCain. I will vote for Obama or Barr. McCain is too old, he will just be a puppet. No more puppets. We need a president that actually will lead by his convictions. McCain changed on every position, just so the RNC would prop him up. http://www.hotpres.com

Posted by: Peter | August 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Just because McCain was a civil war hero, means nothing.

Posted by: Terry | August 21, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

No American wants us to have a President with no balls... Obama gets flustered by the Clintons and by members of the press. His problem is he knows nothing and he knows it, so when he is not behind his teleprompter he is like a boy scout pretending he is an Army Officer. In this case, he is full of arrogant ignorance and if we expect him to act like Harry "the buck stops here" Truman, we have only to look at his remark that "it is above his pay grade" to answer a question about when life begins.

Sorry, Barry, you are shooting for the top pay grade and the American public does not deserve to be fobbed off like that.

So, here we have an ignorant, unqualified, Chicago politician with highly questionable associates, who is a coward to boot, expecting us to vote for him with his socialist, if not communist pitch exactly like Fidel Castro's in 1959. What fool would vote for him?

Posted by: Arthur E. Lemay | August 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Not entirely happy with Mcain, however for the first time in my life I am making money and I will not let an elitist and socialist live high off the hog and re-distribute my money more than it already is! It is 3AM and the phone rings, Who do you want to answer it? The friend of a terrorist who bombed the pentagon? Not me! I'll take Grandpa anyday!

Posted by: polooso | August 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I guess McCain does have alot in common with Bush, it seems he might have an old DUI.
http://www.mccanes.com/duihelpguide.html

Posted by: Johnny | August 21, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Typical liberal media bias, with a headline that leads you to beleive Obama is ahead in the polls, when this article has NOTHING to do with a presidential poll.

"55 percent of voters said Obama is someone they can "relate" to...".

They may "relate" to him, but todays polls show he is slipping in the presidential poll. You guys will go to any length to get a Democratic White House. How about you stick to the "News" instead of trying to sway voters to your Liberal leanings.

Posted by: MeMe | August 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the Americans make another electoral mistake and keep on the way to become a Third-World country. Chinese own more than half of your country through the Wealth Sovereign Funds. Your economy is dead, and you are making our alliance: Russian, Chinese, Venezuelan and Iranian, even richer with your addiction to oil and your big SUVs. And you are even being massacred by the Chinese on the Summer Olympics... So, go read about the end of the Rome Empire... Your country relates a lot, and we, peoples of the world, will have our revenge!

Posted by: McCain for President | August 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

P.S. The predominantly democratic controlled congress led by Nancy Pelosi has ruined our economy people. Wake Up!

http://www.youtube.com/user/brightamericaneyes

Posted by: American Eyes | August 21, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

How many people can relate to millionares?

Hardly anyone.

Posted by: MarkO | August 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I can't understand how anyone can say Obama is a racist. Wake up people: he has a WHITE mother and a BLACK father!!! so...is he racist against himself?

Has he said or did anything that would remotely constitute racism? I haven't seen/heard anything and I challenge anyone to find an example of this.

For the record, I am a middle-class, white male, under 30 and I am not offended by this man.

Posted by: jbean | August 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

you talk about McCain's stance on abortion... how about Obama's, you didn't notice that when asked about abortion he replied "That decision is above my pay-grade"...? He's running for the presidency, what other decisions are going to be above his 'pay-grade'?

now back to the question at hand - if you're not a crusty yuppie mr.herbal-life who frets about the cost of aurugula and you identify with Obama then you're an unfortunate soul who's falling for an illusion. snap out of it people - please.

Posted by: theBrigand | August 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Fact about John McCain:
He snitched on his fellow prisoners in Viet Nam. He admits it. Just go on google.

Do we want a snitch as President?

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Come on McSame people, get a grip. And to mock someone during such an important discussion because they have two typos? How juvenile. I agree with Adam...most people under 50 don't even have land lines...So, who are they polling? People that are housebound and feeble. Don't want that half black man to scare you now do you? And not knowing how many freaking homes you own does not convince me that McSame is on the side of 99% of Americans. So, please leave the personal attacks regarding typos on the playground where they belong and let's have a substanative discussion...OK?

Posted by: Steve | August 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Keep it simple.
McCain = Bush
Obama = Change


Posted by: Dale | August 21, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

"The Saddleback forum will turn out to be the turning point, very much like the SwiftBoats"

Erismaven - you might be right. After all, how many times were we told McCain was in the "cone of silence" when in fact he was riding around in his limo. If he and his staff weren't taking notes on the broadcast EVERYONE would be surprised. Remember, his campaign uses Rovian rules.

On the other hand, maybe someone will challenge how "his life's most difficult decision" was not to go free at the Hanoi Hilton, even though the code of military conduct clearly stated "first prisoner in, first out." If that was as hard a decision for him as he claimed, and he had to pray hard on it as well (as he claimed) maybe he wasn't quite the paragon of heroism that is claimed for him as well.

Truth be known, he's an old man telling war stories with his strings being pulled by the same group pulling W's.

Posted by: ArtM72 | August 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I know it is old news, but it is still relevent. Obama sat in a church for 20 years listening to an old racist rant on about how evil the United States of America is. He subjected his children to it. He befriended the Anti-American, had him christen his children, had him marry he and his wife, asked his advice about running for president, named him to his religious council, and named his book after his sermon. All the while knowing full well that this man taught that white people are evil, the US started aids on purpose, and we deserved 9-11. How could anyone in their right mind vote for a man who supports the hatred of the country he is supposed to lead. How could any American sit and listen to that hatred for 20 years about a country they supposedly love? And then there is Bill Ayers, a killer, Anti_American whose only regret is that he didn't kill enough Police Officers and innocent Americans (People with children and spouses and parents). Obama went over to his house and launched his political career. Any American worth a nickle would have spit in the bastards face, but Obama snuggled up to him and called him his friend. Imagine if these stories hadn't come out. We could have Rev Wright and Bill Ayers, haters of America, sleeping in the LIncoln Bedroom and influencing the future of this great Nation.
The only people who could possibly vote for Obama are people who hate the United States.

Posted by: Joseph | August 21, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Just a comment. I think they are both out of touch...
Obama= Harvard, Mansion, elite, totally liberal and Has all the answers.
McCain= Many Mansions, Very rich, and Has all the answers mostly republican.

Our options are great. How about a real person.

Posted by: Nicho | August 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The Republican Party should run ads all over America showing Obama and his personal mentor and minister for more than twenty years, Jerimiah Wright, grinning together in photo opps. Then, they should remind voters over and over again that Obama's fathers was a Muslim radical, his mother was an atheist single parent incabable of caring for children, and he has relatives in Kenya who are muslim extremists.
Add to that, Obama has contradicted every one of his own convictions, such as drilling, just since the media defeated Hillary. Then, run scores of ads showing Obama explain why he doesn't like wearing American flag oins and cap it off with a series of ads of Michelle Obama saying she was never proud of America.

Posted by: Larry | August 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

BooHoo Jodi..Hillary lost, get over it and vote Obama. Your going to vote McCain?!?! Why just for spite? Or are his positions closer to a Hillary. Wake up and stop being such a sore loser. If the Dems dont take this election it will be people like you who shoulder the blame!

Posted by: Chris | August 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

The accompanying video is contradictory to the text comments. The media have no clue, and so, are manipulating perceptions. THey are also not honest in reporting what is actually happening. Ignore the media - it has nothing vverifyable to offer with it's current special interests policy!
Just vote your gut and events will unfold preoperly! McCaine is not emotionally fit for the job -in fact, he is dangerous. Obama, at least , can put together a sentence - he thinks things through. That is what is necessary, in order to prevent total collapse of Western society.

Posted by: Loki | August 21, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Fact:

These polls are among "likely" voters. You might be asking yourself, "what is a likely voter?"

Who determines if a voter is "likely" or not?

Answer: Likely voters are voters who have voted in the past or are of a certain age. It seems more poll takers assume that young people, although they like a candidate, will not vote.

So what you get is a poll that is skewed towards people who have voted in the past. What class of people does this leave out? Most everyone from ages 18-25 are not considered "likely" voters. Remind me again, of these unlikely voters ages 18-25, who do they favor 80% of the time? Obama.


One side note:

You need a landline phone to be contacted for a political survey. What age groups are most likely not to have a landline phone? Ages 18-25. These younger people all use cell phones instead of land lines.


So basicly, McCain has a huge advantage in polling because his fan base is not composed of 18-25 year olds. You can expect these polls to be off by up to 10% come november.

Posted by: Tim | August 21, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

The Question is impertinent to the election and is intentionaly misleading. While Obama may be someone 'we can relate to' that has nothing to do with judging him in his ability and trust in leading. All it really means is that you would rather sit down in a bar and have a beer with him rather than John McCain. That maybe true, but who would you feel better about in an international crisis? John McCain, no doubt. Mr. McCain's experience far outshadows Obama's - HE HAS HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF SEEING THE WORLD FROM INSIDE A VIETCONG PRISON - THAT IS EXPERIENCE YOU CANNOT FAKE. McCain is not a soldier - he is an experienced veteran who has seen the ravages of war from both sides.

Posted by: tntpal | August 21, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

"why would you support McShame when he's voted in accordance with Bush 95% of the time over the last 8 years?"
-- Maybe because some people think the 5% that is disagreed on is important. Maybe because they are in the 40% of Americans that are so entrenched in one party that they would vote Charles Manson in (it is about even for Dems and Reps)


"Well people wake up this is 2008 not 1996-2000. what about the young people, what about the middle class educated people why are you people so focused on past election polls?"

-- Simple, the enthusiam of the youth is declining and there are polls showing that. Until the youth wake up and prove they are going to turn out in higher numbers there is no need to inflate the poll results. They got a decent enough mix.


The other issue is that it is a national poll. If McCain tracks 5% higher but it is because he gained support in Montana and Texas and lost in MI, WI, IN, etc... then it is a wasted poll as well.

Personally I will vote McCain but only because having one party controlling House, Senate, and the Oval Office has always been when Americans get screwed the worst. We need to wake up and understand that all that matters to the politicians in the nation is finding a new way to buy your vote for re-election. They don't really want to fix any of the problems.

Posted by: Chris | August 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Lol, MY Friends., Let me answer your question with a story I have memorized.
A story that my campaign advisor told me to say. I was a POW. I was Tortured. I want to be President. My FRiends.

Let me answer your next question with another story. My Friends. When I was a POW.

____........Is that the only relative experiance he has to site? Dont get me wrong., Obama isnt any better. Neither candidate is right for the Job in my Opionion. I would of taken Huckabee or Hillary over these two any day.
http://www.mccanes.com/newparty.html

Posted by: Nancy | August 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Who on God's green earth cares about who is more 'in-touch' or 'caring'. These people care first and foremost about themselves first and accumulating and maintaining power. Lets start looking at actions and policy and experience and honesty and judgement and a million more things that are more important. I can't believe out of the multitude of people in this the greatest of nations - we have to pick between these two.

Posted by: crk | August 21, 2008 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is another Jimmy Carter. If elected expect long waits for gas, record high gas prices, out of control inflation, mass unemployment and becoming the laughing-stock of the world. We have been through this once, let us learn from our mistakes and not elect another Carter.

Posted by: fllibertarian | August 21, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Barak Obama is a product of an american dream, Mc Cain is a product of an American nightmare.
What is the dream?
What is the nightmare?

Posted by: Harry Neff | August 21, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

bush makes reagan and nixon look like candidates for sainthood. He is crooked like mama, papa/cia/contra,and gramps the friend of Adolf of Austria. McCain was never examined by helping professionals following his Hanoi Hilton stint. Obama is more presidential but the electorate is uneducated and votes on emotion.

Posted by: bushcrimefamily | August 21, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Talk about some OLD A$$ dude who wears $500 shoes! McSAME is an ELITE and condescending poop-wearing-confessing, communist-loving, right-wing, agent of intolerance cloaked in "maverick" hood!

Posted by: Che | August 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This election is going to be won by the party that gets their voters to the polls.

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Lee !!!
Do you seriously think if Obama loses , Hillary has a chance in hell to win DEM nomination 2012? The primaries have proven that she is a cheat , liar and a pathetic whiner who likes setting and moving goalposts wherever she wants.
Now if Obama doesnot win and if there is any doubt that its because of Hillary or her self deluded supporters - It will prove whats obvious - The Clintons will do anything to hold the whitehouse ... anything.
Give a thought and go vote for McSame. You wont be any better that those ignorant rednecks who elected and re-elected George Bush. Its called a Democracy for a reason. We, the people decide the Country's fate.

Posted by: dac38 | August 21, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't America need the best and the brightest to lead? Don't we deserve better than what we have had the last 8 years? I don't care if the next President is someone who wants to sit down and have a beer with me. I don't care what he drinks, what he drives, or who he dated in HS. I care that he can lead this country back to prominence and out of this fiscal mess we are in. A leader who can bring back respect and standing in the world that we lost over the last eight years. And while I respect John McCain, and would follow him if elected, I do not believe he is the best for the job. I am tired of my country settling for 2nd best.

Posted by: JR | August 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately the average American voters DO make decisions based on campaign ads or msm pundits..

As an example about how this plays out in the polls is the 'drill here, drill now' favorability ratings have increased so much in the recent polls.

Watching McCain's speeches now, he's repeating the 'drill here, drill now' mantra to applause and has it in his campaign ads.

If the average American voter had watched the recent CSPAN congressional hearings of the 3 big OIL CEO's, where they told congress the reason they haven't been producing more oil domestically on the leases they already hold is because they didn't have enough petroleum engineers, manpower and equipment, and they haven't invested any of their big profits to hire more or buy more equipment, instead buying back stock and spending it on lobbying and advertising.

Instead, big oil has spent 29 million on lobbying and 201 million on advertising.

Yet they continue to expect the middle class taxpayers to subsidize them,

I have to wonder if those 'drill here, drill now' favorability ratings would be different if they had the facts.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow. All of you people that are so stuck on the abortion issue, why don't you pay attention to the fact that when abortion was legalized, the President at the time (Nixon) was against it. Ford was against it, Carter was for it, Reagan was against it, Bush I was against it, Clinton was for it, and Bush II was against it.

That means, in the last 36 years of Roe v Wade, 24 of those years were spent with a president that was AGAINST abortion. AND YOU STILL HAVE GOT NOTHING DONE!

This is because abortion is not a presidential issue. It is a societal issue, and until we as a society see it as wrong, it will never change. The President, in this situation, is nothing more than an average citizen. Again, the President can not do anything about abortion, even if he wanted to.

This means, that whatever a President's stance is on abortion is a moot point.

The issue is only there to confuse you people, you simple minded tarts.

Posted by: Andrew | August 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

All I can say is the polls have began to swing over the last 3 weeks and what was once a double digit lead for Obambi is now 1-2 % points or McCain’s favor in others which leads me to believe the U.S. populace is finally waking up. If you were going to fly from New York to L.A. would you want a pilot with 10,000 hrs. or one that had just soloed?

Posted by: Larry Carmichael | August 21, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

The real tragedy: in this great democratic system, so many sheep with so little intelligence repeating buzzwords and soundbytes have an equal vote with those capable of thinking for themselves. Why should we expect a world full of the ignorant and self-absorbed to elect leaders they can't relate to? It's easier to vote based on one single stance/issue, or one good speech. A smile, a suit... and that's not counting the people that vote based on COMMERCIALS.

The internet has created a great forum where people can share their mind collectively, and reading those thoughts I can honestly say I've never been more depressed about the future.

Posted by: Kevin | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Are conservatives in total deniel or just that dumb? John McCain has no platform to address any of the significant issues confonting ordinary Americans. Being patriot doesn't necessarily make you a great leader. Everbody knows that John McCain was bought by special interest a long time ago.Stop the world from laughing at us vote Obama.

Posted by: Larry Cousar | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I was going to comment on this ridiculous story but then I read the posts. The Obama supporters here are obviously children with no clue. It is not worth the argument.

To the person who said they would rather have Jimmy Carter than Bush..You obviously weren't alive for Carter or you would never say that. The man almost destroyed this country.

To the idiot who says that it is a fact that McCain snitched on his fellow prisoners. You are the lowest of the low to perpetuate that lie. The man acted with heroism during years and years of abuse. Your source is the Internet which also tells us that Hitler is alive, the CIA killed Kennedy, the government orchestrated 9-11, and many other stupid conspiracies. If you believe any of those things then you are too stupid to live.
And if you don't believe it and are just trying to bad mouth a war hero, then you are a piece of sh%t scumbag and I hope you die a horrible death after watching your mother get gang raped.

Posted by: James I. | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Reasons McCain is a better candidate
1.)Can tell you stories that are irrelevant.
2.)Can tell you the same story in a different way.
3.)Mumbles.
4.)No Policies.
5.)Has 4 houses, no wait 6, no 8? Ill get back to you on that.
6.)Poor pilot
7.)Enjoys putting down fellow Americans
8.)Warmonger
9.)Loves oil as of 2 months ago.
10.)Foreigners hate him.
11.)Does not want you to have health care.

Reasons NOT to pick Obama
1.)Articulate.
2.)Charismatic.
3.)Not a Warmonger.
4.)Foreigners like him.
5.)Good policies.
6.)Is more American then McCain.
7.)Supports universal health care.
8.)Fully supports alternative fuels.
9.)Intelligent.
10.)His name is a spelling error according to Word.
11.)Can draw a crowd of quarter million people to in another country.

Posted by: Mike | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

We need to differentiate between a politician and a statesman. Politicians can do one (and often only one) thing right: get elected. They do that by being charismatic and motivate audiences through good speech. But that is it, nothing else. Mr. Obama is the standard for politicians, he has no record, he accomplished nothing, but he can talk and get people going. Does he have conviction, strength of character and credentials to become our President and Commander in Chief of the World's sole superpower, including nuclear arsenals? Would you agree that this would be a stretch? Do you want to bet our Nation to a very good politician? What does he have to show, besides words, to support his claim to be the right person to govern the most important and powerful nation on earth? Liberals like to taunt us, Republicans, as ‘religious fanatics’, people who based on our faith will do the non-rational. Can you think of anything more irrational than trusting Obama with the Presidency of America? Yes, he can give you a nice ‘presidential’ pose, nice voice and good words… but is there anything behind it, based on his past performance, his ‘friends’, pastor, clients? Mr. Obama is an invention, hot air with a package of nice words. If we want to make amends for the past abuse of African Americans in our Country, we have other ways to ‘wash our sins’. We can (and should) favor and promote efforts to provide equal opportunity, access to education, fight discrimination, etc. But elect Obama as the President? This is more than misguided, is counterproductive.

Posted by: Pablo Vitaver | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain or Obama? This is not a election for world dictator, these men are not going to drastically change our life, but what they can do is share their vision. Which candidate has spelled out for you their vision on improving USA? That's it! That's how you vote. Vote on the vision and how they can execute it. These other issues are irrelevant. They don't have the power to make large changes to our country. At least, not since Nixon.

They can't go to war without congress. They can't state a verdict or punishment, with full support of the courts. They can't pass a bill without the House and Senate.

Presidents have to be visionaries. President's don't create laws, that’s the legislature. Presidents don't pass judgment on laws, that's the judicial branch. Presidents execute the laws of the government and develop a vision for USA.

Vote on the candidate that share's your vision. All this other stuff is pure noise.

Also, please show some respect for our candidates. These men are applying for a job where a lot of the past Presidents have been shot at and killed. Their families have lost all modes of privacy. Every step they take is watched and criticized. They need our support, and our prayers even if they are from the other team.

If your candidate doesn’t win this November, for the good of your neighbor and your country let’s become a “United States” again!

Posted by: josea | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

I believe that there's a good leader in our country that would turn things around. However, it takes money to win elections. It looks like the United States Logo is "It's all about the money"
What a shame. There's gotta be a better way.

Posted by: Karen | August 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Barak Obama is a product of an american dream, Mc Cain is a product of an Amrican nightmare.
What is the dream? Unity of race.
What is the nightmare? The Vietnam war.

Posted by: Harry Neff | August 21, 2008 3:09 PM | Report abuse

What was wrong with Jimmy Carter? If anything, his policies were prophetic, given our current situation with regards to energy dependence.

I can't wait until gas goes up to $10 a gallon, so some of you mouth-breathers starve to death under the next Republican who sways the sheeple.

Posted by: Jimmy C | August 21, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Those silly polls: For those who might be concerned that in this campaign, so called "experience" is supposed to trump "judgment" I encourage you to read "Team of Rivals" by Doris Kearns Goodwin. It's about a real Republican "lightweight" who lacked experience but was heavy on the judgment side...Abraham Lincoln.

By the way, Lincoln could give a pretty good speech too. He showed "how far words could go in moving a nation. It is no small talent (to be able to rouse the passions of a nation) and arguably one of the most important ones a president can possess." Historian Richard L. Miller, Kansas City Star, August 19, 2008

Isn't it interesting that Republicans today ignore how important judgment (or speech making) is when they attack Senator Obama who doesn't have the "gray hair" of his opponent? Give me Obama's judgment any day over McCain's "past" experience.

Posted by: Berine | August 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

To be honest, I don't think either one is fit to command. I'm more likely to write in Kermit the Frog than actually think either one is worth a flip as president. But remember, when you start blasting a president, that presidential decisions by and large take 8-12 years to take effect. In addition, much of our economy is in fact run by stock speculation, and if you have someone speculating on oil who has a son in the military, as soon as someone dies in combat, oil goes up. In an interview with one of the oil production officials in OPEC, production of oil has gone up, demand has not changed, and yet prices continue to climb. It has nothing to do with the President, nothing to do with the war, everything to do with greedy suits. You want change? Quit electing bought politicians. You want change? Start asking hard questions. You want change? Revolt. It is time to stage a revolution, again. Just like we do every 4 years. Change is inevitable. No one president will ever be identical to another. McCain or Obama, you WILL get change. Will it be change you can live with? If not, start an intelligent campaign against them. And the time has come to throw partisan politics to the dogs, and start looking at each issue a candidate supports. I'm traditionally republican, but I find myself leaning more and more towards Obama, merely because he scares me SLIGHTLY less. Not because I believe him, certainly not because I trust him. Remember V for Vendetta: "People should not be afraid of their government; governments should be afraid of their people." The power is in your hands...though after reading the childish personal attacks contained in this thread, that's a scary thought.

Posted by: political disdain | August 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Mathematic of the Race:

Republicans = Domestic Terrorists Who Hate Freedom

McCain = Bush

When Oilman Bush took Office Gas = $1.46/Gallon

8 Years of Bush = More Dangerous USA, Fearmongers: Can You look in the mirror and honestly say we are safer than we were 8 years ago?

Accounting For Inflation Most Families = Making Less than 2000

McCain = Post Traumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD) He needs treatment NOT the Oval Office

McCain = Songbird i.e. Committed Treason While Being POW by Giving the North Vietnamese Aid & Comfort

McCain = History of Scandal: Keating 5, Continuous Flip-Flops when it is Politically Expedient-- at last Count Over 60 Documented FLIP FLOPS!


Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

jbean : The fact that a person is bi-racial does not ever mean that such a person can not be racist.

When Bill Clinton said "Jesse Jackson won SC too" ...Obama pretended that Bill was racist or race baiting in an effort to get the blacks behind him. That slanderous move was clearly a racist move.

When the Obama's fired a person for making a comment "monkeys playing on the jungle gym".........the comment is not racist but firing the person for saying it is absolutely racist.

I notice you did not ask for examples of Obama being sexist but:
1) in a debate when asked about Hillary he said "she's likable enough" That is a very sexist remark.
2) When giving a speech Obama said the name Hillary and stuck up his middle finger and then waited for a laugh......that was absolutely sexist.

Obama is racist, sexist and dishonest.

Posted by: jill | August 21, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Let me think: A man who risked his life for me and my country; or a freshman senator who went to law school? Who do I want to be my President?

Posted by: Tom | August 21, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Andrew,
The President nominates the Supreme Court.
One more Conservative appointment and Roe versus Wade will be over turned.

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

All I know is that my father and mother, rural farmers in the midwest, are voting Democrat for the first time in their adult lives. The republican party has become corrupt and out of touch with reality, much the same way the democratic party did when they lost power years ago. Conservatives are foaming at the mouth at the idea of an Obama presidency, but the reality is that even if McCain wins he wont be able to accomplish anything.

The world is a powder keg right now, and conservative policies aren't the right fit for it anymore; McCain would likely find a way to set the whole thing off. And, provided our nation survived such an event with its power intact, you can be sure that would be the end of the conservative movement in this century. If I wasn't afraid a McCain presidency might result in my death I might actually be rooting for him, it might be better for us all in the long run...

Posted by: Laughing | August 21, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

P.P.S.
This article ignores the fact that McCain is actually ahead of Obama in alot of polls as of yesterday. Wishful thinking of the asinine, liberal, donkey media dimwits to put out an article like this. Could be because they are trying to deflect the fact that Obama choked at the Saddleback Forum on the issue of abortion (to answer that question was above his pay grade--give me a break) or because he DID NOT VISIT OUR WOUNDED TROOPS OVERSEAS!
Why defend a terrorist appeasing, Hamas loving, total LOSER? WAKE UP AMERICA!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

jill...WHAT? That is some serious spinning. Stop the ride. I want to get off.

Posted by: Andrew | August 21, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

These polls are a joke and the media's effort to manipulate weak-minded individuals. There is no way I can "relate" to Obama in any way, shape, or form. I am not sure how any American can feel comfortable voting for a candidate with hardly 2 years experience in a public office (and he only won in IL by default because his opponent dropped out of the race!). The only thing Obama is good at is BS - he'd make an excellent salesman. There is a reason we have not had any terror attacks on US soil since 9-11. If you actually think George W. Bush is solely responsible for the rate of home foreclosure in this country, do your research! Our ecomony did not take a turn for the worse until the democratic congress took over 2 years ago. If you think the ecomony is bad now - vote Obama in - then you will really have something to cry about! Specifically paying MORE of your hard-earned money to the government so that welfare receipients and illegal immigrants can have everything handed to them for free.
I beg of every American to actually educate themselves on each candidate before voting. I did - I went to his website and saw where he stood on the issues - He will ruin this country.
I have asked people who say they are going to vote for Obama, why? Most popular anwser: "I don't know." Give me a break! Your vote is going to affect our lives for the next 4 years (at least).

Posted by: Ebony | August 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

If there is a poll among Ultra Right Wing Conservatives White Racist, then McCain got their vote.

99.9% McCain, 0.1% Obama

Rush Limbaugh, Ann Coulter and Fox News can glorify it all over the place.

Posted by: Numbers | August 21, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

McCain is a trust fund baby.

He's the definition of.

He's never earned one red cent in the real world.

Posted by: JD | August 21, 2008 3:18 PM | Report abuse

""McCain or Obama? This is not a election for world dictator, these men are not going to drastically change our life"" -Posted by: josea | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM

Your right! We elected Bush twice and nothing has changed at all...

Posted by: chris | August 21, 2008 3:19 PM | Report abuse

You are all morons if you think either of these candidates have any answers for you. I have seen nothing but Republican bashing and calls of corruption against Bush... How easy you forget that they are ALL corrupt. So you Dems stop being tards and following who your party tells you to follow and start thinking for yourselves. Morons.

Posted by: Mike | August 21, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

To Harry Nef: That's good!
"Barak Obama is a product of an American dream,
Mc Cain is a product of an Amrican nightmare.
What is the dream? Unity of race.
What is the nightmare? The Vietnam war."

To Jimmy C: I had the privilege to attend one of President Carter's Sunday Bible school lessons this past February. And I also listened recently to one of his (1970s) addresses to the people of our nation when he was trying to alert us to the dangers of continuing our use of foreign oil. The Republicans and the oil men in charge of our Congress made him out to be a buffoon. No one is laughing any longer. I have great respect for President Carter and how he continues to be a true American statesman to this day.

The truth is that we will never see gas below $3.74 again...nor should we. We need to support alternative energies like no tomorrow...because if we don't, there won't be a tomorrow.

Posted by: Bernie | August 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Deceit,lies and corruption,really?How about some examples,did you hear about 500 tons of yellow cake uranium we just moved out of Iraq,what do you think this was for? You Nobama kool-aid drinkers really get me,Nobama says change, so far the only thing he's changed is his mind, on everthing.He is afraid to face McCain in a real debate cause he stutters worse than Pesident Bush unless he's got a teleprompter or a practiced speech,borrowed from someone else.Also the Nobama camp and the democrats are constantly injecting race into the campaign then denying it,hard to do when the chairman of the party goes around saying that republicans are white racist,bigoted,mean people.Not to mention what I hear from democrats is I must be a racist if i'm not voting for Nobama,couldn't be that I would never vote for a wack job liberal.Did you notice at the saddleback forum Nobama almost said Clarence Thomas wasn't experianced enough,but caught him self.Justice Thomas's record is quite a bit more impressive than community organizer.Do you know what a socialist is and what most socalist countries are like?Think before you vote or may find out.

Posted by: pete | August 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

When Obama was asked when life begins he said he would leave that to someone in a higher pay grade, my take is he meant to say "A higher Authority", meaning God, yes he was dodging the issue but ultimately he was correct, no human being can speak for God, not even McCain or GWB.

Posted by: Will | August 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

-If you were going to fly from New York to L.A. would you want a pilot with 10,000 hrs. or one that had just soloed?-

Hey Larry....I certainly wouldn't want some impulsive, hothead, who constantly flip-flops/unable to make a decision, who has ALREADY crashed or been a part of 5 plane crashes and has no idea about technology-- yep, YOU can go right ahead and get on that NY to LA flight

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

As an Independent voter this polls don't help me make a decission on whom to vote for. Hillary and McCain sounded reasonable to me. Obama on the other hand was and still is an enigma, and with answers to pertinent questions sounding like his voting history of PRESENT or NO VOTES, knowing him is getting to be imposible.

Can you trust a person like that to take a tough call from Putin? I say no.

Yes, the job of President of the best country in the world sound VERY MUCH ABOVE HIS PAY GRADE! Please consider this when you make the decission on who goes to OUR White House.

Posted by: Dr. A | August 21, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Thank God for Pres Bush. One of the greatest of the Presidents. We will miss you! And don't mind these liberal bashers; their bashing proves your goodness and strength.

Posted by: Ted | August 21, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

It looks to me like a lot of you did not even read the poll ( link: http://www.cbsnews.com/htdocs/pdf/campaign2008/Aug08A-elec.pdf ).

You should - it's very interesting.

Posted by: Dave | August 21, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

The irony runs thick mike. Even if they are all corrupt you still have little to no choice. Vote for the best candidate you feel will represent your views. NOT doing so is not democratic. Other people in the world would kill and are killing for what your have. So be grateful for what you have.

Posted by: Mike2 | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Forget policies, let's be honest, America will just elect whoever they think is cuter.

Posted by: August | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

To all of you claiming to see the grand left-wing or grand right-wing conspiracy you should recognize that BOTH parties are corrupt, untrustworthy and in no way ready to change anything, look at the democrats voting record on Iraq since they came to power based on the lie that they would end the war.

More propaganda from D.C. - it truly doesn't matter which party wins because they will both do the same thing, the dems will pretend to address the needs of the poor - the repubs will pretend to address the needs of the upper middle class but the truth of it is - they are all about meeting the demands of their masters - international bankers and lobbyists. War will continue because its good for business, the economy will continue to worsen because its an easy way to control the population. Make everyone so poor that all they can do is work non-stop just to eat - they will be too tired to revolt.

How willing are you to take up arms and march against the poliec in the streets ?

Posted by: dumb_voters | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the Saddleback forum was great. I think the Democrats should think twice before making the statement the McCain had the answers beforehand. It kinda makes the minister look bad and the Democrats look foolish.

Posted by: Eleanor | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Jimmy Carter was a terrible president, but he seemed like a really nice person. His beer drinking brother, Billy, was always in the news. If you like wars, vote for John McCain. If you like not having any healthcare, vote for John McCain. If you like getting poorer while the rich get richer, vote for John McCain. If you like George W. Bush, vote for John McCain. I need Barack Obama to win like many people in the U.S. Barack for President. Obama supporters....make sure you keep sending Barack donations. I will be sending another donation in a day or two, $20.00 more.

Posted by: RadianChalant | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Thank GOD for Bush? Hey ted what has he done right for you?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Dennis,

You can't overturn a court case that doesn't exist. Someone needs to bring the issue up in court and argue that side. THEN the supreme court justides decide on it. It's not like if one more conservative judge gets in there they are going to get together and overturn a ruling without a case in front of them.

Even so, that justice would make the decision, not the president. Supreme court justices do have their own mind, as Alito and Scolia have shown numerous times, often ruling against the basic tenets of the constitution.

So again, the president does not decide on this issue, and when the media asks it of presidents it is clearly a way to divide us and stop us from respecting the other.

Why aren't they asked, "Is it OK to ask 18-20 year olds to die in a war that was based on a lie?" I mean, this is the truth of how it happened, but they are never asked it because at this time it is a moot point, and any answer they give is going to divide people against them or for them.

Posted by: Andrew | August 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

We as a country are in sad shape if Obama and McCain are the best candidates we have as potential Preseidents. By the time anyone gets to the Whitehouse they owe so many people so many favors, they are not their own person anymore....And these two are disappointments from the beginning.
The word politician comes from ancient Greece meaning dark, dishonest and untrustworthy...Nothing has changed in 3,000 years.
I agree our country is in deep trouble but I do not think either candiate or the ones who've dropped out have the right answers. I would love to have a President who believes in change but not the changes these idiots are talking about. I want a President (Color and gender don't matter) who is going to work on fixing this great country and not bore me with useless retoric...John Kennedy and Ronald Reagan, where are you now we need you?

Posted by: DavidR | August 21, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Wake up everyone. Roe vs. Wade doesn't mean anything. When any politician speaks of it, he is using smoke and mirrors. Overturning it just sends it back to the states.

Posted by: Scott | August 21, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Taxes,
Look at the actual tax rates, if you make less than $250,00 a year, your taxes will be LOWER with Obama.

The reason that housing is in a mess is because there was no over-site by the REPUBLICAN controlled Congress over the last eight years on the mortgage backed securities

The Reason the dollar is becoming a joke, is because we are spending 2 Billion a week on the wars, and borrowing the money from the Chinese.

If McBush gets another 4 years the country will probably go into a depression. At that point even an idiot will figure out we need a change.

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Every time i turn around i hear Barrack Hussein Obama saying that "McCain is taking the low road... same old Washington politics by calling me names such as celebrity" and so on. Yet i think it was... wait i know it was Hussein's plan all along to base his campaign compairing McCain to Bush. Look above and see how many times you can find the words "McSame" and "McBush". How about "McDonalds", damn, all this talk about "McThis" and "McThat" is making me want a "McChicken." It’s funny how people can’t see how hypocritical Hussein is.

Also lets take a look at a prime example on how Hussein has come to rely on McCain as a Knight in Shining armor, so to speak. Case and point, the latest book about Hussein that opens some nice topics about him has come to light and Hussein didn’t like what was said, what’s he do, he calls on McCain to discredit the remarks. Before that, another person not from any part of McCain's campaign said something’s and again, he asked for McCain to step up and discredit that as well. Do we really want a leader who cries for help when someone calls him a name or draws a "not so nice cartoon.”

In conclusion, when will people wake up and see that the president has very little control over what happens in politics. Congress does. W Bush has had one of the least Veto records of any president. (Please see http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0801767.html ) He has made 9 vetoes total. What’s the issue democrats, you have the majority in both the house and senate. The problem isn't Bush, it’s the Democratic Party. So please before you continue to bash Bush and blame the man for every little thing wrong in your life, (though he has made a lot of mistakes) please revisit the 7th grade and learn how our political system works. In fact I wish to now support a system where you first need to pass a test in order to vote to make sure people understand politics before they have the right to vote. For you first leason please read.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powers_of_the_President_of_the_United_States , and be amazed at how little the powers are of a president.

Posted by: TJ | August 21, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

What people fail to realize is that polls are so incredibly futile. If I "poll" 10 people which 6 say they're for Obama and 4 for McCain then that's 60% of the people "polled" are for Obama. Mind you I would conduct this poll in a town with 400 people, but I'm just going to poll 10 of them. See how ridiculous that is?

Posted by: Arnaldo | August 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

This is so sad. There's so little relevance to this.. Who in the world could relate to stiff like Gore, but he got a ton of votes... Smart people vote for a president not a pal.

Posted by: Wrburton | August 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Strength; leadership. You'll get it some day, but it will take you awhile. Keep your brain turned on.

Posted by: Ted | August 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Good one Mike! LOL

Posted by: Amber | August 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Let me think: A man who risked his life for me and my country; or a freshman senator who went to law school? Who do I want to be my President?
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Obama is the answer. That man who risked his life is not necessarily the right person to be president. I know plenty of Vietnam veterans who went to jail for committing crimes. Do I want them as presidents? McCaine will be the continuation of the politics of failure and shame. He thinks, eats, breathes, acts the same way as Bush.

The question is. Do we want four or eight more years of insanity in the oval office?

McCain will devastate and destroy this country beyond recognition. The U.S. will no longer be the most powerful nation nor the best place to live. Electing McCain is not only stupid but dangerous.

Obama is my choice. By far.

Posted by: Ted garza | August 21, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

I know that I'm not voting for a jerk like Obama, that is for sure and I am black. I care about our country and I can say that Obama is not a good person to run it! He is out for his own personal gain and to hell with USA. You can tell by some of his speaches he has had.

Posted by: Gary | August 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Wake Up America! Commie Obammie is not for America! http://www.youtube.com/user/brightamericaneyes

Posted by: American Eyes | August 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

bush makes reagan and nixon look like candidates for sainthood. He is crooked like mama, papa/cia/contra,and gramps the friend od adolf of austria. McCain was never examined by helping professionals following his Hanoi hilton stint. Obama is more presidential but the electorate is uneducated and votes on emotions.

Posted by: bushcrimefamily | August 21, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

The Republicans ruined our economy, our environment and our standing in the world long before the Dems took over. Wake up people. McCain voted with Bush on 95%of the issues. He is just a bad extension of Bush. My grandma always used to say that when Republicans are in office the rich get richer and the poor get poorer and i've found that to be very true. McCain with his multi millions cannot begin to relate to working class folks.He doesn't even know how much a loaf of bread costs, nor does he care as long as he can keep the war machine going.

Posted by: Linda | August 21, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey Perry, suck Obama's c*ck. Black is the president. Face it. I know you have problem with your manager at Home Depot being black. At least you can quit that job.

Posted by: KittyKatMan | August 21, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it past "Pops" McCain's nap time?

Posted by: Chicagoan | August 21, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

You can't pick your President based on how much you like him or how well you feel he might relate to you. I am sure Bush would be a great guy to have a beer with (oh wait, he can't drink he's an alcoholic) or watch a football with, but Bush was the worst President in history. McCain sounds like a likable enough guy, and I think he means well but he is simply not the right man for the job.

We need a President who understands the complex problems that the US faces today, not someone who gives simplistic answers to extremely complicate problems. My 15 year old son was telling me a couple of days ago that if he gave the answers in school, that McCain gave in his interview at the church this weekend, his teacher would give him a low F.

You can't answer the question about evil with "I will defeat it" and think that is a serious answer. And if McCain has always known how to catch Bin Laden then why have we not caught him so far. Did Bush simply tell McCain that he is not interested in catching Bin Laden, and did Bush order our troops not to catch him? You can't tell the American people with a straight face that you are going to balance the budget while increasing the size of the military, continuing the Iraq war and not raising taxes. You can't tell any reasonably intelligent person that what the US needs in order to solve our energy needs is to give Americans a gas tax holiday for the summer and then drill for oil off shore.

We need to elect a new kind of president who sees our problems as long term and complex, and is willing to tell the American people that there are no wondefully simple solutions. We can't continue the Iraq war and ever hope to balance the budget. We probably cannot balance the budget without raising taxes on at least some AMericans. We can't continue running a government that is controlled by corporations and special interest groups.

I like Obama and McCain but I will vote for Obama because he is the man we need to save America.

Posted by: captbilly | August 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I do not understand why the business community/corporate world would support a demagogic right winger rather than a Democrat when statistics have proven that the economy has always fared better under the Democrats.

Posted by: ghostcommander | August 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh my God. We need to find another planet for these liberals to go to.

Posted by: Ted | August 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm really surprised to see so many racists can find their way to the Wash Post website.

I guess they're earning their "McCain Points".

Posted by: Jim N. chicago | August 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

When anyone applies for a job you submit a resume and talk about your experience. In this case we are talking about the most important job in the world. In Obama we have a guy with no leadership experience or practical experience. If he were trying to get a real job he would be laughed out of the door. In a real job they would do a background check and with B.O. they would find he associates with crooks and terrorists.

Regarding the comparison of McCain to Bush, I hope those idiots continue on that track because it couldn't be further from the truth. They hate each other. Kerry strongly considered choosing McCain as a running mate. Instead he chose that smarmy slime Edwards and lost. The morons say that McCain voted with Bush 95% of the time, gee I did not know that the President voted in congress. If we want to follow that line of thought, B.O. voted with Hugo Chavez 100% of the time.

Regarding change, there will be change and will not be good. The U.S. will become a second rate nation and the world will move toward the brink of disaster.

Posted by: Curt | August 21, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Mecane steels people heart by telling his captivitu in vetnam and when he talks about it he thinks makes his listeners to belive he is the only vetran from that wrongly started war and finished shmefully.
He uses it like a currency to buy peoples heart, ear and now their vote AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE CRYING FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

MACANE STOP USING YOUR EXPERIANCE IN VETNAM AS ACURRENCY TO BY PEOPLS HEART BECAUSE YOU ARE FROM RICH FAMILY AND GOT A CHANCE TO BE ON NATIONAL STAGE DONT MAKE MONY AND STATUS WITH THAT EXPERIANCE. THERE ARE MANY VETRACE WHO DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE LIKE YOU AND CANNOT CASH IN TELLING THEIR STORY. WE ARE TIRED OF LISTING YOUR BLABLA BLA .....VETNAM......BLABLA.... TALK REALITY NOW.

Posted by: JOJO | August 21, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Strength; leadership. You'll get it some day, but it will take you awhile. Keep your brain turned on.

Ted Examples Please.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

The drumbeat of close race is a Media creation. Such hype makes Media important.
It helps the broken RNC to shell out some more funds into the system.

This is business, folks.

Posted by: nobody | August 21, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Obama hates children.

Look at his voting record on abortion, and contrast it with how uncomfortable he looked when his children were speaking in their only interview on Access Hollywood. His children had no respect for him, and he looked like he wanted to smack them.

Posted by: Susan | August 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

what a bunch of idiots.

Posted by: steve | August 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Mecane steels people heart by telling his captivitu in vetnam and when he talks about it he thinks makes his listeners to belive he is the only vetran from that wrongly started war and finished shmefully.
He uses it like a currency to buy peoples heart, ear and now their vote AMERICA WAKE UP BEFORE CRYING FOR THE NEXT FOUR YEARS.

MACANE STOP USING YOUR EXPERIANCE IN VETNAM AS ACURRENCY TO BY PEOPLS HEART BECAUSE YOU ARE FROM RICH FAMILY AND GOT A CHANCE TO BE ON NATIONAL STAGE DONT MAKE MONY AND STATUS WITH THAT EXPERIANCE. THERE ARE MANY VETRACE WHO DIDN'T HAVE A CHANCE LIKE YOU AND CANNOT CASH IN TELLING THEIR STORY. WE ARE TIRED OF LISTING YOUR BLABLA BLA .....VETNAM......BLABLA.... TALK REALITY NOW.

Posted by: JOJO | August 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

whats a cell phone?

Posted by: John Mccain | August 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

To add Mike above stated

"11.)Can draw a crowd of quarter million people to in another country."

as a reason Obama is great. First off Obama didn't draw that crowd, the number 1 and number 2 band in Germany did, Obama just had a 30 min speech in between the bands.

Oh did i mention there was free food and beer. offer that same thing here in Washington D.C. How many people will show up.

This just reiterates my post above at how undereducated a lot of Obama supporters are. Now now... i didn't say all.

Mike get your facts straight.

Posted by: TJ | August 21, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey Ted could you please tell me one good policy that Bush has put in place. One good thing. What would you consider his greatest acomplishment in 8yrs?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that you can tell who is putting out the poll results based on the numbers. If McCain is "better among polls" or "most Americans like him" it's from FOX or CNN. I don't trust anything from anyone except the candidates and what I can tell from watching themselves. McCain is either a liar trying to say what the Christian right wants to hear, or he's really just an old man who's been through the ringer and doesn't need to be in control of the country since all he can remember are his days of being a captive. I find it easier to believe he's a liar since most Christians don't cheat on their first wife who is laid up in bed from a car crash and they don't usually use the c*nt word to describe their wives in public in front of the press.
When I watch Obama I agree with his plan to set a reasonable time frame as a goal for withdrawal of troops. At least he has a plan other than "stay in the war for maybe another 50 years"?! At least he doesn't have a vested interest in oil which is costing us lives and money. At least he's intelligent (didn't graduate at the bottom), articulate, honest, earnest, empathetic, and looking to exact a FUNDAMENTAL change (e.g. restrict lobbyist money from dominating the voice of our "democracy.") Hopefully enough middle class Americans will wake up and realize he's not a Christian, he's just an oil tycoon in Christian clothing. How can you be for Bush II and not for Obama? Really-- because McCain SAYS he's against abortion? That's why? REALLY? Wow, if that's all it takes and Barack STILL doesn't sell out and say it, at least you know he has integrity. Have you read or watched any of his speeches or heard any of his plans? Are you at all a good judge of character? He's not just a lot of pretty talk (although he is very articulate and eloquent), but he's got the brains, humility, patience to back it up. He's actually Christ-like which is what you as Christians are called to do, and exactly what Obama is being persecuted for. And lack of experience? He's bringing a fresh vision and he's not jaded. He'll have advisors people!!! Do you really think you just sit in a room and hope you know what you're doing?! I am praying for this country to wake up. Please pray and listen to your heart, not your dumb email propaganda from TBN.

Posted by: Ryan in Austin, TX | August 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Couple of observations: I used to like McCain back in 2000, even though I'm a life-long Democrat, because I thought he was an independent voice, so independent, if you recall, Rove et al smeared him to defeat him in the GOP primary. If he had run instead of Bush it would have been a hard choice between Gore and him. Not so now. He totally capitulated and supports Bush almost down the line, which I can only write off to political expediency. How can he smile at and shake the hand of the man who tried to portray him as mentally unhinged because of his POW imprisonment. He has become the worst kind of opportunist, and I doubt his sincerity about all of his positions. Vote for 4 more years of the debacle and incompetence of the last 8? - no way. The next President is going to have to re-build the Executive Branch, and McCain's not up to it. Re: Saddleback event- Obama was having a conversation with the minister, who called himself a friend to both men, speaking sincerely, I think, and I caught barely a pander to the crowd. McCain on the other hand displayed that misjudged behavior of Shrub's, a decisiveness that borders on stubborn. People say he was succinct - I heard same old stump speach positions and not much cerebral activity going on behind the eyes. By the way, that decision on when life begins is well above all our pay grades. As we have learned more about fetal development we learn more about when cognition starts, but the point at which legal rights devolve to the fetus is a moving argument. The mother, on the other hand, does have rights, which many folks on the right-to-life squad either ignore or forget. If we're going to continue to battle over determining what a woman can do with her own body, then is the next step what Germany did in the 30's - do we nationalize all the ovaries? If a woman miscarries, is that murder? When she finds she is pregnant, does she go to bed for 9 months so there is no way the fetus can be harmed? Will it be public policy that all fetuses must be carried to term, even when there will not be a family to support them upon birth? Does the rights of an unborn blastula trump the rights, health and safety of the mother? At the moment of conception there is one cell, potential, yes, living being, no. McCain gave the wrong answer.

Posted by: Martie | August 21, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

hey anonymous: get a job

Posted by: Ted | August 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't want eight years of standard-issue government-supplied fish.

Posted by: tjr | August 21, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

hey Ted answer the Q.

Posted by: chris | August 21, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I cannot believe that each one of you in this blog have an opportunity to vote! Your heads are full of Crap!

Posted by: BLM | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Scary how many of you wish we lived as a socialist country...cannot believe I wasted by time reading so much B.S.

I now feel dumber...thanks!

Posted by: rickc | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, Bush has nominated two of the best Supreme Court justices that we have going!

So there!

His tax cuts are excellent as well. Allowing the Clinton "crime bill", which did nothing to prevent crime, to expire was great as well.

Posted by: Rufux | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Mike...calling everyone morons is so, so, intelligent! It adds so much to the debate we need to have in this country.

I like to think we still have a shot at turning this ship of state around...by compromise and working together for the common good. That will not happen if Senator McCain wins the election.

We have a chance, a real chance at working with both sides of the aisle for a change if Senator Obama gets in.

Mike, you are invited to move to a country of your choice, might I suggest Russia? Or maybe Burma...I understand our city in the Midwest has just welcomed a plane load of refugees from that country who will make up the majority of my new English as a Second Language classes.

Posted by: Bernie | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Someone needs to tell McCain an unnecessary war is not pro-life.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse


"No American wants us to have a President with no balls..."

Michelle has plenty of cojones--her own and Barack's.

Posted by: WylieD | August 21, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

This is the beginning of the end for John McCain's chances. It's all downhill for him, here to November 4th.

Negative attacks will increase, and McCain will get "testier." He can either go out like a man, or wuss out like a snitch. His choice.

But neither Karl Rove nor Mitt Romney will save him. "It's over, Johnny."

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Wake up guys! Obama is our new President!

He will completely change this country and bring the whiteys to their knees. After 400 years of oppression, it is our time.

Our time starts now!

Posted by: Cedric | August 21, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

What hapen to Harriet Myers his first choice? Tax cuts...those worked our economy is really humming..Alowing a crime bill to expire?? thats not really a decision..more like just not doing much.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

McCain = a stupid version of Dick Cheney

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

McCain graduaded 894 out of a class of 899 in the naval acadamy. Do you really want this dumbass to be president? Seriously he has voted directly in line with the lobbiests why do want the Corporate States of America.. where all big Corporations direct the nation to the CEO's bennifit.

Posted by: noMcCant | August 21, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Cedric. Is Cedric swahilli for "racist"?

Posted by: SWG | August 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

God, the crazy, off-base right wing fear-mongering I hear from some of these posters scares the s**t out of me. What reality do you people live in? The Republican party has gone so far down hill, it's dangerous. I'm pretty independent but thankfully intelligent enough to see why we're in the mess we're in now.

If you have half a brain and love this country, please vote Obama this November.

Posted by: Corey | August 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Hey Anonymous, Bush has nominated two of the best Supreme Court justices that we have going!

So there!

His tax cuts are excellent as well. Allowing the Clinton "crime bill", which did nothing to prevent crime, to expire was great as well.

Posted by: Rufux | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM

WOW..you really hit the nail on the head. I forgot all those acomplishments! They should start carving Bush into Mount Rushmore with that giant list great deeds!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I can't wait to vote for Senator Obama!...get used to it folks...
Come on it's easy say it with me: President Obama

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh, please Cedric the racist; In it's own time, the caucasians will be the minority, and I'm glad that I'll be dead. The USA will not be here in 100 years!

Posted by: BLM | August 21, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Let us take a look at the big liars for 2008.
5. Kilpatrick
4. Dann
3. Spitzer
2. Edwards
1. And the winner is, your favorite dirty dem, Barack Obama.

Polls results can be only as good as the data, and the data is a poor representation of the general population.

Posted by: Anyone but Obama | August 21, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Anyone worried about a 72-76 year old president?

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

TJ - While I agree with you about Obama's hypocrisy, I believe that the dems have controlled congress for 2 of the 8 years Bush has been president and the repubs held the majority from '94 -'06. So if congress is where the power is, you might want to rethink your blaming everything on the dems. I am a conservative, but the truth is the truth, and our current repubs are not exactly conservative. At least not fiscally.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I can't relate to a Senator who can't count how many houses he owns.

Posted by: LJPS | August 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Dennis

Do you have any idea how many billions our government spends on supporting illegal immigrants???

About 338.3 BILLION Dollars a year!!

I tend to agree with the few that have indicated a revolution is in order. The government is totally corrupt on both sides. I feel that the Republican party is the lesser of the two evils. It's so hard for me to understand why so many people buy into Obama's BS. He's been called out a couple times but his "fans" just overlook it. His career as a politician began in IL - the most politically corrupt State in the US - with the blessing of the "machine". His shady dealings run deep but again, the Obama "fans" won't open their eyes.

It's pretty scary. Last time we had a candidate with such beliefs was Carter and the economy was horrible...we are talking like 18% interest on mortgages! You ready to go back down that road?!?!?!?

Posted by: Taxes | August 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

You complain about our government and corrupt politicians.

Spend a few years in Mexico, Guatemala or Honduras and see how happy you will be to live in USA where most politicians are honest.

Posted by: josea | August 21, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

McCain also thinks former HP CEO Carly Fiorina is a good economic strategist.

As an M.B.A., she's a great marketer, bad manager.

McCain, he's a great american, bad candidate.

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

What about Obama's multimillion dollar house that was bought under market value with help from that slumlord in Chicago?

Posted by: BLM | August 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama is the most out of touch person in the world! Whats more he's in favor of killing babies.

Posted by: walliat kahn | August 21, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Did you know that The American Communist Party "needs" the democratic candidate to win in November (according to their website)? And they do not endorse just any democratic candidate - only Obama. What does this tell you about how he would potentially ruin this country!??!?!

Posted by: Oh no | August 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time in our history there haven't been tax increases during a time of war. Instead, this time, we're indebted to China...the communist nation that sends us lead-laden toys and tainted drugs in an unfair trade agreement. 4 more years of this, it will be time for all of us to learn Mandarin.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

McCain, Obama, who cares?

The USA is going under. If you don't believe me, click on this link:

http://www.cfr.org/publication/16034/age_of_nonpolarity.html?breadcrumb=%2Fbios%2F3350%2F%3Fgroupby%3D3%26hide%3D1%26id%3D3350%26filter%3D2008


McCain, Obama, and Rick Warren are all 3 members of the same club (as is most of Washington), and this link is the speech that Richard N. Haass, President of their club gave recently. Check out cfr.org. Believe me, neither of these guys are good for the USA. They are good for G-L-O-B-A-L-I-Z-A-T-I-O-N. One global nation. Please wake up and lead America to a better place than what these guys have in mind.

Posted by: LisaW | August 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The next president doesn't matter.

The hate and discontent many of us show the Bush administration seems pretty funny to me. Admittedly he is the man in charge and should accept ultimate responsibility for our nations problems...Or should he.

It is laughable to think that our housing crisis is 100% his fault. Did he make US citizens contractually obligate themselves to loans they could not afford and did he forced mortgage companies to lend to those same citizens? Did he make congress approve a war in Iraq? Did he make US companies export jobs overseas?

Bush made many mistakes but is it so unbelievable that Al Gore or Kerry would not have followed a similiar path given the same information.

My point is:
Don't direct your hate and discontent toward Bush or the Government. The aggrigate actions of Americans have caused Americas problem. America will be better in 4 years if the bulk of Americans put down their latte, turn off the TV, stop obsessing over a counter productive popular culture, and do the hard work it will take to make America better.

McCain and Obama will make roughly the same decisions based on the same information. They will both make horrible decisions once in awhile. And some americans will be worse off in 4 years no matter who is elected.

Stop blaming Bush, stop worry about the BS that is the current political system. Governments can't screw things up too badly as long as the people are informed, care, and try to make sound moral decisions. Sadly that is not the current state of our population.

We are in charge of our own destiny not the Government. Own your mistakes and your lives.

Posted by: Jeremy | August 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, this poll was taken before it became public that McCain can't be bothered to memorize one simple fact about his own economic situation: how many homes he owns. If you think that's "in-tune," go ahead and vote for McCain. He's your man.

Posted by: DoTheMath | August 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Andrew,
The President nominates the Supreme Court.
One more Conservative appointment and Roe versus Wade will be over turned.

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 3:13 PM
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If you know anything about our judicial/legal system you will know this statement is inaccurate.

Do you think the Supreme Court would just take up the issue by itself? No, it has to have a case in front of it where one of the issues is relevant to whether Roe v. Wade should stand or fall.

And how does a case get to the Supreme Court? They generally start in a US District Court, then move onto a Circuit Court of Appeals and then must be accepted for oral argument by the Supreme Court itself.

BTW: The President may nominate federal judges but the Senate must approve them.
It's called checks and balances.

Stop fearmongering and go read the Constitution. You might learn something.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Hey all you Bush Bashers,

We should be trying to keep him in office and overturn the whole 8 year max. term. not elect a new guy. All Bush needs is more time and everything will work out. He is a visionary who sees what must be done. Too bad Obama will get all the credit down the road when all of Bushs policys keep this country strong an FREE!

Posted by: dave | August 21, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

mccain = something new
posted by nobama
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You mean mc-cane = something old
he clearly is losing it and has
a temper i wouldnt want him anywhere near the nuke buttons.

How is mccain something new when mc-cane voted with bush last year 100% of the time?

Mccain has insiders and lobyist who run his campaign with his memory fading they will be calling the shots.

Mc-cane confuses sunni and shia and said they have no violent past.. most people in highschool would know the difference not mccant remember a thing...mccain calls barack and elitist and mccain cant even remember how many houses he owns..for your information obama only has one house...

peace

Posted by: strategery | August 21, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

ghostcommander

Obama's words straight from his BS hole:

"Corporations can not be taxed enough."

This is why any smart business owner would NOT vote for Obama. And the economy was not always better under Dems!!

Posted by: BECAUSE | August 21, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Hey, think about this: Clinton might just embarass Obama at the DNC when roll call nominates her as the candidate. I wouldn't be surprised at all. All in all don't ya just want a president that tells you straight forward what his itinerary is? We're hearing so many words that don't even make a sentence!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

When Obama was asked when life begins he said he would leave that to someone in a higher pay grade, my take is he meant to say "A higher Authority", meaning God, yes he was dodging the issue but ultimately he was correct, no human being can speak for God, not even McCain or GWB.

Posted by: Will | August 21, 2008 3:21 PM
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If this is what he really meant why didn't he just say so? The audience he was speaking in front of would have had no issue with that. He had already spoken about his relationship with God and Jesus.

The answer he gave, unfortunately, sounds like a cop out. Many people agree with that assessment. If he could give direct answers much of this speculation would never occur.

Sadly, he's too busy sounding like a lawyer rather than a leader.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 21, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

After 8 years of arrogance, incompetence, and mismanagement by Bush, the only reason Obama isn't leading by a wider margin is racism.

Like it or not, America is going to be dragged kicking and screaming into the 21st century by a Black president - it will be close, but it is also inevitable.

Posted by: Dave | August 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey Perry, suck Obama's c*ck. Black is the president. Face it. I know you have problem with your manager at Home Depot being black. At least you can quit that job.

Posted by: KittyKatMan | August 21, 2008 3:29 PM
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Obama supporters: So mature. So classy. So unifying.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Have you ever seen a John McCain ad on television? He always finishes his ad with his head up in the air and his jiblets hanging under his chin. He kind reminds me on an iguana. Check out the iguana picture here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Iguana_iguana_colombia3.jpg See? You do not want an aguana running the country, at least not an old one. Barack for President.

Posted by: RadianChalant | August 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Mccain is probably already in the early stage of alzheimer's

Posted by: coffeebob | August 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"HE HAS HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF SEEING THE WORLD FROM INSIDE A VIETCONG PRISON" - you forgot to add "and likes it"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

dave, Bush's policies will leave us strong? Have you been paying attention to Russia lately? The only strength we can muster is tough words with no leverage or a coalition to back them up with action.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

LOL - Figures, most of the posts from the Washington Post (aka - Communist Rag) are Liberals in support of Oblama. (That's what I get for following a Google News link) Wake up America - don't let this liberal, done nothing, liberal Democrat Senator take the White House! You can see what a majority Democrat House does for you (hmm..propose higher taxes, take away more from the people who actually work and give it to the people who don't. More Anti-business legislation. Come up with more stupid ways to limit constitutional freedoms, support partial birth abortions. Why not come up with a law that allows you to kill your kids if they mess up?? afterall, look what a baby can do to YOUR life. Abortion is legalized murder - how many of you on this post would have volunteered to be aborted? Come on, someone raise their hand...cowards!). Watch Freedom will go down the drain in a majority liberally democrat administration.
PS - Has Oblama clearly stated the "change" he's been spewing? Someone, please tell me what change he's talking about. This is the change I heard him say and I quote him (beware, it's the dumbest thing Onlama ever said)
"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"
Hmmm.."greatest country in the world" - "change it". I'm thinking; If it's already the "greatest", I guess he means to change it to something less - unless there is something greater than "greatess"
Think about it...

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 3:53 PM | Report abuse

I agree with clearandsimple. No doubt Obama will win by 10+ points.

This country needs an intelligent diplomat. Not a soldier.

Posted by: Dave
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Dave, right on!! I would add to your post that we need a leader of great integrity, honesty, wisdom, vision, good judgement, superb oratory skills, and of the newer generations! We do not need an old soldier who has milked and continus milking his POW status so hard that he has gotten his "stories" confused and is now borrowing from a Russian disident the story of the cross!! Funny how his books NEVER mention this very touching story!! McCain is a thief of other peoples words, stories and music artists songs, and makes them his OWN. Isn't there a law against this?? In addition McCain has so many houses and condos that he has lost track and does NOT KNOW how many houses and condoes he and Cindy own!! Now, fellow Americans, that is what you call RICH and ELITIST!! Got to remember McCain thinks anyone making under $5 million is MIDDLECLASS!! Yes, McCain is really in touch with the middleclass, isn't he? I don't know anyone in the middleclass who has anywhere that amount! How about you??

Posted by: NinaK | August 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Because of McCain, the GOP has to change its name to the "Grand Very Old Party."

Posted by: AARP | August 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Oh, Lord, the Rapture can't come fast enough! Look to 12/21/12!

Posted by: BLM | August 21, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

The article posted by: ERISAMAVEN | August 21, 2008 2:39 PM uses the name Obambi. Who in God's wide world is Obambi??!! Please, it doesn't matter if John McCain is going to win but kindly use the candidates' names with honor and dignity. That is a sign of civility. This is a civilized country, or was it!!!! I hope ALL in it are civilized.

Posted by: Jon Peterson | August 21, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

they just need more time to develop. A few years from now when everyone is praising Obama for such a great job as prez, the truth will be because of the choices that Bush has made now.

Posted by: dave | August 21, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Either candidate does not have the leadership and experience to be President of the United States. This is the worst selection, that I have ever seen in my lifetime. The friends that Obama has surround himself in the past is a concern(wright, ayers, flagher) , and the possibility that McCain could be a duplicate of Bush! Now, you must look for Congress to be leaders, what a concept; That is very scary with their polk barrel projects, and lack of concern for America as a whole, but only their district. We are in the biggest deficit in history, that Bush has even tapped and emptyed the monies for Medicare and social security. We do not any candidate, that can clean up the mess of Bush.

Posted by: mim | August 21, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The waves of anger, hate speech and irrelevant discourse on this comment page indicates to me that perhaps we, as a nation, will get what we deserve in November. The same thing we have now -- no matter who takes office, it's going to take more than a new President to change the course of our downward spiral, both morally and economically. I’ve viewed comments for several news articles over the past few weeks and it is anger that I’m seeing on both sides. Anger is the word of the day. How are we supposed to move on if that is all we have?

Opinions are like bleep bleep, everyone’s got one. Forget the polls, get the facts and decide what is really important to YOU. And, VOTE, VOTE, VOTE!!!

Have a great day!

Posted by: ChangePlease | August 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Where do you think McCain kept his watch when he was in prison?

Posted by: clearandsimple | August 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I am responding to Jasie comment on the validity of pseudo-polls circlating in the news. I absolutely agree that these are clearly biased and sometime plainly fabricated statistics to back-up ridiculous claims, such as that Mc. Cain is more competent and trusting when it comes to the economy. Even himself admitted that does'not know much about issues of economy! I know Obama's supporters can only get even more enthusiastic in supporting the right and truthful man.

Posted by: yasabella | August 21, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

The republicans are in so much trouble they are tyring to make a movie about Obama's teen years. http://www.theobamaplan.com

Posted by: Kanye | August 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Scary how many of you wish we lived as a socialist country...cannot believe I wasted by time reading so much B.S.

I now feel dumber...thanks!

Posted by: rickc | August 21, 2008 3:36 PM
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If you think that's scary, go over to the Huffington Post website.

An article there posted today (called I think The Tragedy of the Obama Campaign. Not sure but I know the words tragedy and Obama are in the title), is actually critical of Obama's plan to cut taxes for the MIDDLE CLASS.

Essentially, the article concludes that if someone would just explain the dire situation our nation is in that no one (even the middle class) would argue with higher tax rates.

Rather telling, IMHO.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I think these poll are full of crap you can make a poll come out any way you want. All you people that call McCain names and run him down how many of you were POW or even in the service. You think Oboma is so grate But what has he done other that dabble in drugs. You don't dabble in drugs he was a drug adeck

Posted by: fnp9 | August 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

To notaliberal -

With all due respect, it doesn't matter what you - or other white people for that matter - think about Obama.

The demographics of America are changing. Obama and Michelle *will* be elected, and they *will* clean house.

The old power structure is going to be swept aside, and the power is going to be held by those that were powerless.

Your time is over.

Posted by: dave | August 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Democrats have always been portrayed as the party of empathy. But feeling one's pain and doing nothing about it is also a Democrat tradition. For example, there were still plenty of poor people in Miami, New Orleans and Newark after Bill Clinton's administration as before. The auto industry was in the doldrums before, during and after Bill Clinton. We have had the Democrats in charge of Congress for over two years. Are things any better for the poor and the auto workers? No. Yet, there is always the talk from Democrats that they care, coupled with blame as to why things don't get better directed at Big Oil, Big Pharma and Big Business i.e. Wal-Mart. Democrate are never the problem; it is always somebody or something else. Nothing is being done about our energy crisis. High energy prices impact the poor in a big way. What are the Democrats proposing other than alternative energy sources we don't have, multi-billion dollar energy programs that will take years to produce energy if at all, and high taxes on the oil companies that produce the oil? Nothing in the short term has been proposed. So, in a few months when you can't afford to drive your car, and you lose you job because of high energy costs, I hope it is comforting to you that the Democrats have plenty of emphathy for you, but nothing else.

Posted by: Jeff in Orlando | August 21, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy. Some people still take seriously the great freedom of choice between Pepsi and Coca-cola. Grow up.

Posted by: $1.00 | August 21, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If you have half a brain and love this country, please vote Obama this November.

Posted by: Corey | August 21, 2008 3:41 PM
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As for those of us with no brains who hate this country vote for someone else.

This is the message of unity? Talking down to people?

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

yasabella

Obama has been caught in a couple lies...but you are probably one of his "fans" and refuse to believe that he will say whatever it takes to get elected.

Posted by: Give Me a Break | August 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow there is just too many OOps and Gaff moments by McCain. We need a new Nominee without so much baggage and who is sharp., instead of slightly senile. I watched video of McCain talking about his failed first marrige at http://www.mccanes.com

Posted by: Pete | August 21, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I guess McCain does have alot in common with Bush, it seems he might have an old DUI.
http://www.mccanes.com/duihelpguide.html

Posted by: Johnny | August 21, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

dave - I am not an Obama supporter, but I don't see how the reduction our current deficit is going to develop under our current strategy. Unfortunately, I see that Obama will tax it away if he wins (and probably be praised for it), but until the GOP quits being the party of corporate welfare and gets back to its conservative ideals, I don't see the economy improving. Bush may not be a tax and spend liberal, but a spend and spend conservative may actually be worse.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Good comments, Jeremy. People have to take responsibility for their own actions. Ya get yourself into a mess, you have to get yourself out of it! Everyone wants to look for someone else to blame instead of being accountable. I'm tired if it!

Posted by: BLM | August 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Mcain keeps being compared to Bush. OK thats a good thing. If McCain is a Third Bush term then Iam going to vote McBush!

Posted by: tommy | August 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey TJ- If you truly believe presidents have no power: 1st lesson google: "signing statements" get a clue dude...that is dictator power.

Bush Legacy = -crickets chirp- oh wait he got us into the war on terrorism by not reading his PDB's-- but hey he prides himself on NOT reading....After he beats the terrorists he's gonna tackle wars on poverty and racism, what a guy-- made our public school system even worse with "No Child Left Behind"-- High unemployment, higher inflation, devalued the dollar, biggest deficit in history, going from $22/barrel oil to sky's the limit- did his job as the multi-millionaire oilman,......the President DOES have powers to set agendas, to use the bully pulpit, and more signing statements than any president in history, spying on our own people-- but he stayed that course right into the rut...The Bush Legacy = Easily the worst president in the past 100 years...Bush = McCain.....McCain = Bush.....You Republican Sheep you let the Rovians scare you into voting for McCain, it's not gonna happen this time say it: President Obama

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Dear ERISAMAVEN,

To be Pro-choice is not to have an extremist view. It's actually the law of the land. A rather conservative, law abiding view.

Posted by: Steele | August 21, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

ghostcommander

Obama's words straight from his BS hole:

"Corporations can not be taxed enough."

This is why any smart business owner would NOT vote for Obama. And the economy was not always better under Dems!!

Posted by: BECAUSE | August 21, 2008 3:49 PM
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People toss the word "corporation" around as if all "corporations" are the size of Microsoft or Exxon or Wal Mart.

Not true.

Corporation is simply a type of business entity. There are small businesses that are also corporations.

Posted by: None of the Above 08 | August 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

You are right Will

"When Obama was asked when life begins he said he would leave that to someone in a higher pay grade, my take is he meant to say "A higher Authority", meaning God, yes he was dodging the issue but ultimately he was correct, no human being can speak for God, not even McCain or GWB."

The Bible 100% indicated life begins in the womb. Please read your bible and you would know this. Do you not understand how ungodly horrible abortion is? These are babies that are being destroyed because of selfish people. You women do have the right to not have chilren..... ITS CALLED DONT HAVE SEX!

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

fnp9 - When I am having my glass of wine with dinner tonight, I will laugh at the fact that I am a drug addict.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Seen on a 2008 campaign button: "Vote for the Millionare Liar of Your Choice"

Posted by: Some Choice | August 21, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I agree, the democratic controlled Congress has nearly ruined our country, Thanks to the all those who voted them in.

Posted by: matt | August 21, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The Supreme court has heard at least two challenges to roe versus wade that I can remember.

The last challenge came out of North Dakota on limiting clinics. Do you really think it would take long for a case to moved up to the Supreme Court if there was a chance to over turn the ruling. Also the Supreme Court does not have to wait for lower court rulings, may I remind you of how Bush stole the first election!

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerts, I'm guessing you're of the male persuasion and that is why it's so easy to make generalizations about what women should with our bodies. I would really like to know where in the Bible it states that life begins in the womb.

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 21, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

McCain was reading a fiction novel when he should have read his aircrafts instruction manual - as a result he nearly died because he couldnt find the canopy ejector when he crashed into water and sank to the bottom during a training flight. Yes just the sort of Tard you want with his finger on the button.
You dont get it - the rest of the world dreads another Bush molded Republican.
Not because they respect America - because they fear what idiot conflict they are going to start next - oh yes and Bush -quit whining at Russia about Georgia - you have NO credibility on the subject of invading other countries.

Posted by: Gnarlyswine | August 21, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

matt - The dems have had a majority for two of the last twelve year, and they have had a repub president for both. Care to explain how the dems are soley to blame for ruining our country? It seems that there is enough blame to go around for both partys to share.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Gnarlyswine,

What a terrible typical democrat thing to say. Shame on you.

Posted by: fllibertarian | August 21, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah 1:5 : "Before I formed thee in the belly I knew thee; and before thou camest forth out of the womb I sanctified thee, and I ordained thee a prophet unto the nations."

Posted by: tjr | August 21, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I watched the interview on CNN the other night...my impression:

Obama; enamoured with his own 'droning' voice. Never gave much of a specific answer to anything. Guess the questions were 'above his pay grade'.

McCain; Sincere and sure of his positions. Quick answers, he knows where he stands and what his plans are. Trustworthy!

If McCain wins, we'll have to thank all those people who at first thought that Obama was the 'second coming' and, after listening to him, have come to the conclusion they were wrong.

Don't worry, when it's all over McCain will be victorious!

Posted by: TruAmerican38 | August 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

pgchambers Amazing what can happen in 2 years. What was the price of fuel 2 years ago?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

To: dave

You are a racist - Nothing in my post said anything about race yet you think (and I use that word losely) that I am not supporting Oblama because of his skin?

Your ploy is one that most people, with some sense, can see thru - it's the old " if they don't agree with Oblama, call him a racist" trick.

I bet your life is full of hate. By the way, why didn't you volunteer to be aborted? That would have been one abortion that was good for our society.

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

the old and self centered will vote for McCain.

hows that for a prediction

BHAHAHAHBHBAHHAHBHBAHBAHAHA

Posted by: ftledi | August 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

pgchambers Amazing what can happen in 2 years. What was the price of fuel 2 years ago?

Posted by: matt | August 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If the press was doing its job they would go to the government record offices and get the assessed values of all the McCain homes and also of Obama's and check for things like mortgages and taxes paid. I think the McCains almost lost a property in California for being late of their tax payments. If I recall Obama has a rather large mortgage on his home which is being paid for out of two incomes/

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

What the bible says is one thing. Personally, the candidates are free to believe whatever they want... What the constitution says is another...and the constitution says the bible beliefs are not to be part of the laws of the state. How many constitutional rights have we lost in the last 8 years.

No more, thank you.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

"The Bible 100% indicated life begins in the womb. Please read your bible and you would know this. Do you not understand how ungodly horrible abortion is? These are babies that are being destroyed because of selfish people. You women do have the right to not have chilren..... ITS CALLED DONT HAVE SEX!"

Bible thumpers are always a hoot.

People choosing anything based on a mythical figure shaking his finger at you from thousands of years ago really shouldnt be breeding.

Posted by: Josh | August 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous - If you think our current situation is based on only the last two years, there is nothing I will be able to say to you that will make a difference.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that, in a majority of situations, a community of people will come to the right answer for a question or problem. That's a good thing because the majority of people are idiots... just look at these posts!
I have a challenge for everyone out there: Try to select your candidate based on their own merits. Don't pick them because of some stupid poll question or you don't like their opponent. Pick them based on their merits. Now, don't rant and rave about one or the other, but tell us what you like about your choice.
I'd really like to see these guys touring the country side-by-side, showing each other respect and explaining why you should choose them to be the next president... and expaining to the audience why they need to respect others with a different opinion.

Posted by: dox | August 21, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

To all the Hilliary fans who treathen to vote for McCain,
If you think by voting for an old confused and outdated military man to bring you gain,
I guarantee you NO gain but LOTS OF ECONOMICAL AND FAMILY PAIN
He wants to bring back the draft
for a bigger Army to craft
to contine the wars in Afghanist and Iraq, and new onees in Russia and Iran
McCain says he KNOWS how to win wars
but ONLY START THEM HE CAN
McCain does not care about any young woman or young man
All he cares about is having more and more wars, the old warmonger wants to have as many wars as he can
He is old, he has nothing to look forward to except dementia and/or Altzhiemers and then death, so he thinks the world he must destroy as much as he can!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I agree with clearandsimple. No doubt Obama will win by 10+ points.

This country needs an intelligent diplomat. Not a soldier.

Posted by: Dave
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Dave, right on!! I would add to your post that we need a leader of great integrity, honesty, wisdom, vision, good judgement, superb oratory skills, and of the newer generations! We do not need an old soldier who has milked and continus milking his POW status so hard that he has gotten his "stories" confused and is now borrowing from a Russian disident the story of the cross!! Funny how his books NEVER mention this very touching story!! McCain is a thief of other peoples words, stories and music artists songs, and makes them his OWN. Isn't there a law against this?? In addition McCain has so many houses and condos that he has lost track and does NOT KNOW how many houses and condoes he and Cindy own!! Now, fellow Americans, that is what you call RICH and ELITIST!! Got to remember McCain thinks anyone making under $5 million is MIDDLECLASS!! Yes, McCain is really in touch with the middleclass, isn't he? I don't know anyone in the middleclass who has anywhere that amount! How about you??

Posted by: NinaK | August 21, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

ablo Vitaver (2:52 PM) get your facts straight. McCain spent 5 years, not 7, in the POW camp. Along with 600 other soldiers. NOT ONE of those 600 took the offer of being sent home early as that would have been shameful. McCain is no more a hero than any one of those other 600 soldiers, many of whom incidentally spent the full 7 years and were tortured more than McCain, yet he fails to mention any of them while he allows the media to fawn all over his "selfless heroism".

Posted by: Alex | August 21, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

I have been in school for years and I know the difference between a graduate top 5% of the class and a midshipman graduated 5% from the bottom. If you are an average person, would you trust to cast your vote to that person (who is running for President)without a second thought just because he is a republican and has military background? Guess what, I would rather give my vote to seaman apprentice who understands the consequences of war.

Posted by: Ringo | August 21, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

"Just a comment. I think they are both out of touch...
Obama= Harvard, Mansion, elite, totally liberal and Has all the answers.
McCain= Many Mansions, Very rich, and Has all the answers mostly republican.

Our options are great. How about a real person.

Posted by: Nicho | August 21, 2008 3:00 PM"


Sure Nicho, a real person... what is that? A blue-collar slob in a trailer? A unversity educated office worker? Please define "real" for me, because I see a self-made family man like Obama as pretty real.

Posted by: Alex | August 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Jeremiah 1:5? Yes, I can see how that might indicate that people were known in the womb and called from the womb to become known to the world. That is a strict interpretation. The passage relates to a specific set of circumstances and we are applying to all women in our age. That seems a bit daunting and simplistic to me. However, perhaps this discussion would be better saved for a different venue.

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 21, 2008 4:21 PM | Report abuse

tjr thanks for informing PleaseChange.

BAC you talk about our Constitution as if you have read it. I do believe it reads secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our prosterity. I dont think being killed inside your mother is very prosteritious. Again how just evil killing a baby must be. I think if any of you have ever witnessed an abortion you would change many of your minds. My wife is to give birth in 2 months and I would kill anyone that wanted to take that baby and kill it.

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Nobama

You are an idiot!

95% of the time McShame voted with Bush and look what your Bushy boy has done to this great country! If you like Bush or McShame - YOU'RE NOT AMERICAN!

Obama in November!

Posted by: luvwknd | August 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest Quote of the Century
By Barack Obama

"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"

LOL!!! Need anything else be said?

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 4:24 PM | Report abuse

No one is talking about the "Keating Five" yet.
No one interested in how McCain and his wife made money off the Lincoln Savings collapse.

Oh that's right sorry McCain said it was his wifes money so he was not involved..

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm not voting for Mccain, I'm voting against Obama.

Posted by: T Town | August 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

McCain also said in Jan 08 he knew how to get Bin Laden and he WILL get Bin Laden IF ELECTED president. He has repeated that talking point hundreds of times since at every rally and town hall.

Then he says 'Country first' as a campaign theme in ads, accusing Obama of ambition over patriotism.

My question is...if it's country first, and he knows how to get Bin Laden and he WILL get Bin Laden, what is he waiting for?

He said in an interview that he would do it by dramatically improving our methods of 'human intelligence.'

Has he proposed any legislation in the last 8 months in the senate to make those improvement? No. He won't unveil his brilliant plan unless he's elected president.

Who's choosing ambition over patriotism?

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

to all of those who keep saying that Obama has no experience, please reiterate me on the experience that McCain has (ooooo look at that, i managed to mention both candidates with out using some ridiculous nick name I came up with). yes McCain has been in congress longer, but we all know by now that's not always a good thing (Ted Stevens any one?), but last i checked they were both running for president, a position which experience has no bearing on how you will preform. as many previous Commander in Chiefs have state after they left office, nothing could have prepared them for the office. so McCains supposed experiance dosnt even matter, and history tells the same story. we've had presidents who had little to no experiance turn out to be some of our greatest, and weve had presidents with large ammounts of time spent in contress, state, and local service be horrible presidents, weve even had presidents who did nothing but be generals come out on either side of the spectrum.

oh, and enough of the drill here drill now rhetoric pandering, it will be a drop in the bucket, the oil companies will still sell the stuff globally, meaning we wont get some huge benefit from drilling it our selves like in other countries, and it will take 8 years before we see a drop of it, if the oil companies even decide to drill, and on top of all that, we still don't have the refining capacity because the U.S. Oil industry hasn't built a new refinery here in 20 years and have no intentions of doing so any time soon.

Posted by: mike | August 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

GREAT POSTS on this board:

“Mr. McCain's experience far outshadows Obama's - HE HAS HAD THE ADVANTAGE OF SEEING THE WORLD FROM INSIDE A VIETCONG PRISON - THAT IS EXPERIENCE YOU CANNOT FAKE.”

That's right. I also think Willie Horton should have become Attorney General years ago because he was able to understand and learn how to control crime during his stay inside a prison.

“To the person who said they would rather have Jimmy Carter than Bush..You obviously weren't alive for Carter or you would never say that. The man almost destroyed this country.”

Yes, that whole idea of our reliance on foreign energy having the ‘moral equivalent of war’ was crazy, wasn’t it? Who would ever go to war over that smelly black stuff? And then there was the whole thing about giving up control of the Canal Zone before our lease ran out in 2000. Just crippling to America.

“Mr. Obama is the standard for politicians, he has no record, he accomplished nothing, but he can talk and get people going. Does he have conviction, strength of character and credentials to become our President and Commander in Chief of the World's sole superpower, including nuclear arsenals?”

Yeah, what good would a Professor of Constitutional Law at the University of Chicago be in modern day Washington? Too many obstacles in that old piece of paper to contend with when you need to make snap decisions about war and peace. Better to just store it permanently in a basement somewhere.

Posted by: ArtM72 | August 21, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest Quote of the Century
By Barack Obama

"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"

LOL!!! Need anything else be said?

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Good post Martie.

Posted by: Alex | August 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Bible also says: "Thou shall not commit adultery"-- You want another womanizer like President Clinton in the oval office you best be voting for Johnny McShame--

In 1965 John McCain, a member of the US Navy, married an attractive model named Carol Shepp. In 1967 McCain was sent to Vietnam. It didn't take long before McCain was shot down and taken prisoner. Carol waited faithfully for McCain during his imprisonment. In 1969, Carol was in a terrible car crash. She was thrown through the windshield and suffered serious injuries. But Carol would not allow her POW husband to be notified of what had happened to her because she didn't want him to feel any additional stress. She stood by her man, alone, for the 5 years he was in prison.

McCain was released in 1973 and returned home to find that Carol's accident had "left her 4 inches shorter and on crutches, and she had gained a good deal of weight." McCain no longer had a trophy wife he could feel proud of.

By the late 70's McCain had engaged in adulterous behaviors, as chronicled in the book "The Nightingale's Song" by Robert Timberg. Timberg wrote:

"Off duty, usually on routine cross-country flights to Yuma and El Centro, John started carousing and running around with women. To make matters worse, some of the women with whom he was linked by rumor were subordinates. At the time the rumors were so widespread that, true or not, they became part of McCain's persona, impossible not to take note of."

In 1979 John McCain met Cindy Lou Hensley at a military reception in Hawaii.
Cindy was a millionaire and very attractive. McCain was eighteen years older than the wealthy Hensley, but that didn't stop him from developing an adulterous relationship with her.

McCain says of their first meeting, "She was lovely, intelligent and charming, 18 years my junior but poised and confident. I monopolized her attention the entire time, taking care to prevent anyone else from intruding on our conversation. When it came time to leave the party, I persuaded her to join me for drinks at the Royal Hawaiian Hotel. By the evening's end, I was in love."

Knowing that Cindy's father had extensive business and political contacts, McCain decided to abandon his first wife and marry Cindy. McCain divorced Carol in April 1980 and immediately married Cindy the next month, May 17th. With the Hensley fortune and connections, McCain ran for Congress in 1982. He craved power and has been on a course to secure ultimate control ever since.

A man that cannot be faithful to a loving, self-sacrificing wife cannot be trusted to be faithful to the American people. Bill Clinton taught us that. The New York Times reported that during his previous Presidential run in 2000, McCain may have had an inappropriate relationship with the young and lovely lobbyist, Vicki Iseman. The public, not knowing McCain's history of adultery, responded to the NY Times as if they had to be making the story up. NOW what do you think?

Images are all over the internet of Cindy McCain standing at her husband's side as he denied reports of committing adultery with yet another young influential woman.

I wonder what Cindy was thinking.

I think in other words in the true independent spirit of this board if You loved Bill Clinton & George W. Bush -- you will be head over heels for the "honorable" Senator McCain

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest Quote of the Century
By Barack Obama

"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"

LOL!!! Need anything else be said?

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Alex (4:18pm) So what you're saying ,Alex, is: McCain wasn't tortured enough, if it had been longer...then maybe he'd be fit for the Presidency, right?

By the way, several of his fellow prisoners HAVE made mention of HIS bravery, contrary to your comments.

You're probably still 'wet behind the ears' and you're poo-pooing his bravery. HA!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Alex (4:18pm) So what you're saying ,Alex, is: McCain wasn't tortured enough, if it had been longer...then maybe he'd be fit for the Presidency, right?

By the way, several of his fellow prisoners HAVE made mention of HIS bravery, contrary to your comments.

You're probably still 'wet behind the ears' and you're poo-pooing his bravery. HA!!

Posted by: TruAmerican38 | August 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerts: Why would you suggest that anyone would want to kill your unborn child? Is that what think Pro-choice supporters would want/do? Choice is about people making decisions about their own bodies, not life of the child you cherish.

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 21, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Before I vote for Obama, I need to know of one decent black politician that wasn't a crook and a liar and but his job before himself. The record speaks for itself.

Posted by: Need Proof. | August 21, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Josh those people that feel its ok to kill our children should not be allowed to walk free amoungst us. It doesn't matter if this has anything do to with religion it has to do with pure evil. The murder of anyone is horrible but to kill children and then to ahve groups fight for the right to kill children. Also the Constitution nowhere says you have the right to abortion. Just 9 people voted has killed over 40 million Americans

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Need Proof. - I hope you require the same proof about politicians of every ethnicity.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

polls smolls! I am one of those Reagan democrats ... and you know what? I judge a man by his own past actions, not his pastors. McShame sold out his country to be free of pain, and sold out his first wife so he could screw a young rich bimbo. Do the math!

Posted by: Bill in NY | August 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

In response to:

"Before I vote for Obama, I need to know of one decent black politician that wasn't a crook and a liar and but his job before himself. The record speaks for itself."

using this logic, does this mean you won't be voting for a WHITE candidate either?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

So they have the right to deside if another person lives or dies because they could not refrain from having sex?

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

McCain supporters have been successful at painting Obama as an elitist.

Now is the time for the Democrat party to
send out supporters to each McCain home, with signs asking, "Drill here? Drill now?"

Negative advertisements work.
I wish it wasn't so, but unless the Dems get just a negative, just as simplistic then Obama will be the candidate who lost for being 'too nice.'

Posted by: gracefulboomer1 | August 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerts

Yes, I have read the constitution. It says he go to war to provide for the common defense.

'We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the blessings of liberty to ourselves and our posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America."

And 'coerced democracy' through coup's to overturn Iraq's leadership when they present no imminent danger to us, SENDING OUR MEN AND WOMEN TO WAR ON A LIE, something that McCain and Lieberman wanted to do back in 1992, leading to the deaths of over 4000 brave men and women and over 1.25 million innocent Iraqi civilians is NO MORE PRO-LIFE than abortion....but it IS against the constitution of the United States.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

So these people then have the right to deside if someone lives or dies because they could not refrain from having sex?

Sex is not a right given to you by the Constitution. Life is...

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerets - fetusus are not children! The soul enters the body at birth, prove me wrong.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerts - We get it, you are pro life. I hope you have other issues to base your vote on, because there is a very real possibility that McCain will choose a pro-life VP.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Polls of Americans who regularly vote are very predictable. This is true because many regular voters are from the so called evangelical, reactionary, conservative right. Because most of them don't have a life, they try to run the lives of others. At heart, many would prefer a dictatorship or Taliban type of government over a democracy. Why? Because they desire rigid, puritanical codes to live by; they are unhappy and want the same for the rest of us.
In any election, if one candidate advocates thinking outside of the box,in an effort to advance new approaches to solving age-old problems, and the other candidate, who has no new or good ideas and is out of touch with reality, manufactures and inserts a ridiculous question into the discussion, like should there be federal laws against having sex in offices, cars or on the kitchen table in the home, evangelicals would come out in droves and respond YES by voting for the latter candidate. Their locked-step position would be that sex is scared and should only occur in the the sanctity of the home, in the bedroom and, for good measure, between opposite sex individuals who are married. They would absolutely lose site of the big picture and consequences of their actions. Do you remember how this group came out and elected and reelected the current President because of his positions on abortion and gay marriages? Clearly, in the greater scheme of things, with all of the real issues before us as a society, reasonable men and women concern themselves no more with what a woman decides to do about a pregnancy than they do with weather or not she prefers to eat beef or pork. And as to gay marriages, I, and I believe reasonable people would agree, wouldn't care who or what you married, so long as your chosen mate is not a helpless animal, incapable of rejecting the notion.

Posted by: al-in-Atl | August 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I have a problem with all the irrelivant to the facts mudslinging going on. People calling McCain by McShame and conservatives hanging on the fact that Hussein is Obama's middle name. Really now, does a middle name matter? I suppose to some single issue voters, they can't get past Obama's name or his skin-color...

As an Independent that strongly supports Obama, I find comments like "Who do you want to answer it? The friend of a terrorist who bombed the pentagon?" the most unfounded and ridiculous comments ever. Show me the facts, I'll double check them, and then I'll consider changing my opinion. Until then, however, keep your slime and misconceived notions (and idiocracy) to yourself.

People who say these things are the people who think we found WMD in Iraq (we didn't, check snopes.com AND factcheck.com AND an official gov report AND the fact that we stopped looking in 2005 because we gave up). They are the people who stare in the face of facts and still disagree with them. Like the fact that our economy is in shambles, and what used to be conservative is no more. I used to be a conservative. But that was when the conservatives were for states rights and small government. This president has expanded governemnt, created a department of homeland security, and taken us to war. McCain will do the same (expand government and support national legislation that infringes on states rights, particularly with abortion and marriage).

The fact that we're in two wars that have cost an estimated 1 trillion doesn't seem to bother these "fiscial" conservatives. Do people still think that it was worth it to go to Iraq. Really now? We didn't get Laden, we didn't change the middle-east's perspective of America, we didn't strengthen international ties, and we removed a dictator which will likely be replaced by another dictator as soon as we leave, and most important we lost American lives.

National security? The wars have worsened Americas position worldwide, spread our military thin, and taken away from our governments ability to put the National Guard at the Mexico/America border (I'm being sarcastic).

You know what I find baffeling?

The people who are most likely to benefit from Obama's policies, the poor in the midwest and "moral" voters, are the most conservative and likely to support McCain. Moral voters care for human life (pro-life), so why not health care? They care for the sanctity of marriage. So why not provide civil unions, not call it marriage, and end the debate once and for all? Do they think that creating a constitutional amendment will "cure" homosexuality? Face the facts, since the beginning of time there have been homosexuals. Also, priests are most likely of any profession to wrongly and sexually assault boys)... take that as you will. And then finally, tax cuts. I've never met a christian who made more than 500K. Why? To make that much money you have to be ruthless, quick, willing to listen to new opinions and ideas... all of which are decidely unchristian ideals (listen to what the bible tells you, any opinion will be put down...)

And you know the sad fact of this long and run out comment? Is that people are going to pick up on the fact that I'm not christian. Like it matters so much. I suppose you shouldn't be using a computer then since the person who helped invent it was either atheist or jewish. And...we should have lost WWII since Albert Einstein helped witht he atom bomb.

Sorry, just needed to get this all out...

I'm supporting Obama because McCain is not what our country needs. He does not have judgment, he has not aligned his ideals, and he doesn't care about the constitution. Obama, on the other hand, worked his way up to be a Constitutional lawyer. Who else to uphold the presidency, fix the country, and give us back our rights (of privacy...and of due process, RE: Gitmo) than one who has fought for constitutional rights in his professional career. End of story.

Posted by: A political scientist | August 21, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting comments. It seems that the thoughtful ones are mostly for Obama, and the fanatical name callers are mostly for McSame. What a paradigm shift in the last few years! Could it be because most of us realize we can't afford another four years of Bush/GOP income-stealing, rights- denying corruption? If you still think Iraq was a threat to our national security, you have no business voting!

I would rather take a chance on a younger, untested, but intelligent candidate with a vision for America than settle for more of the same - which has done nothing for us but strangle the American Dream. Despite having been a lifelong Republican, I've had more than enough. Obama 2008!

Posted by: common sense | August 21, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Anonyomus

I guess you think because I read the bible and I am against abortion that must make me a war mongering republican....
Humm odd I remember voting for Mr Bill Clinton twice.

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, meant to say a pro-choice VP.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerts: do you believe in capital punishment? If we are not allowed to walk freely among you, then what do you propose to do with the people who support the right to choose? If you're suggesting that the Bible indicates life begins at conception or as Jeremiah 1:5 suggests, "Before I formed you in the belly," then this is a religous issue. But, you are right, there is no stated right to privacy/abortion in the Constitution. The Justices who wrote Roe V. Wade believed the Constitution is an evolving document (as opposed to the absolute/strict interpretation) and that in our time, the right to privacy involves the right to decide what happens to our bodies. That is the law.

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 21, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

pax vobiscum (4:26pm)
Oh, I see what you're saying: If McCain gets in, he might get a young aide to 'service' him in the oval office like the illustrious President Clinton....is that what you mean?

Oh my, I'd much rather have a President who stands with a minister who says 'Gxx Damn America'....yeah, that's who I want!!

Posted by: TruAmerican38 | August 21, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

--Alex (4:18pm) So what you're saying ,Alex, is: McCain wasn't tortured enough, if it had been longer...then maybe he'd be fit for the Presidency, right?

By the way, several of his fellow prisoners HAVE made mention of HIS bravery, contrary to your comments.

You're probably still 'wet behind the ears' and you're poo-pooing his bravery. HA!!-

By Bush's and McCain's own rekoning and definition of "torture" he was ABSOLUTELY NOT tortured-- all the supposed torture McCain reported endured were "enhanced interrogation tactics" NOW I suppose it is considered torture if someone does it to us, but when we the USA do them it is defined as something else...McCain, being the son of an Admiral actually got preferential treatment in 'Nam--- Now, to McCain's credit he used to be against torture. Unfortunately, though, the flip-flop man is NOW for torture.

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

No one will remember Saddleback in October. That's not partisanship, it's a focus-study fact of America's limited attention span.

Posted by: David K | August 21, 2008 4:51 PM | Report abuse

4:46pm Tru--Not at all, just saying Johnny is a well-known womanizer/adulterer and in that regard has a whole lot in common with Clinton-- that's all.

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Hey NeedProof:

Is Colin Powell on your list? That guy is ROCK SOLID .. I'd vote for him anyday .. you bigot.

Posted by: Touche` | August 21, 2008 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Who's Saddleback?

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Dear American Citizens and the media

Challenge to Media.

As a disabled American Veteran and concerned American citizen.

"We the citizens of the United States of America have the ultimate responsibility to elect the " Right Candidate with the right temperament" to lead our nation'

Our nation is and will be facing many present and future critical internal and external challenges as well as opportunities to address those challenges.

In order to prevent any probable prolong recession and diminished world standing as the sole superpower in the world' Whether it is the moral, democratic, economic, military, and other issues.

I impress upon voters to vote after considering following " qualities and characteristics" of our presumptive presidential nominees.

In my firm professional opinion that the media should help the common voter to explore and discuss following attributes of Hon. Senator McCain and Obama:


1. Calm, cool, and collected " temper " [ Presidential Temperament ].
2. Sound and sustained "Judgment and Caliber".
3. "Thought-fullness and togetherness" of purpose and positions.
4. Minimum "ex-poser and exploitation" around "Washington and Washington insiders".
5. Renewed " Vigor and Vision " for our Great-grand Nation.
6. Foreign policy based on " American Values, Virtuous, Vastness".
7. The campaign based of facts and free of fiction, deception, seduction, and attacks.

I plead to common voter to stay informed, stay involved, and stay engaged.

Do not allow some partisan media, pundits, pollsters, and perpetual political opinion makers effect your vote in the wrong direction.

Please do not be deceived and duped by "Psychological Terrorism" that is being directed at you without your consent and awareness.

Long live U.S.A and its diverse but democratic people.

Col. A.M. Khajawall [Ret] MD., Colonel, USAR / MC Combat Stress Control[Ret], Disabled American Veteran and Iraq Freedom team.

PS: Because he does not know how many homes are in forclosure process.

Posted by: COL. A.M.Khajawall [Ret] | August 21, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Excellent post A Political Scientist 4:38pm

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Thank you COL.

Very well said.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Anonyomus do the following...

GO to www.dictionary.com
lookup the word Children
insert foot in mouth...


jdfolkerets - fetusus are not children! The soul enters the body at birth, prove me wrong.

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama is easier to relate to for almost most of the world. He's a phenomenon. Vote for Obama! Visit WHYOBAMA08.ORG!

Posted by: G Green | August 21, 2008 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Why are you all continuing to argue about McCain's military record? If McCain distorted his record and if was a bad flight pilot, then it's a good thing he's not out there working for an airline ;-) If he cheated on his wife, so did Clinton and I say let their wives' deal with them.

What about his Senate record? If he voted with Bush 90% of the time then that tells me he is a party loyalist and will give us more of the same we've been getting. If you're happy with that idea then do what you must.

I'll admit that I don't know enough about Obama to defend his strategies or proposals. I do know that I have will have a choice to take a chance on someone who inspires me to believe we can have something different and someone who will most like keep the status quo. I choose the guy who inspires me. I choose the guy who inspires people to be more than they are and to want something better for all of us.

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 21, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes abortion is protected by the Supreme Court. I do beleive the US has made a law or 2 that later was determined unconstitutional. It is just a matter of time before children will be safe in this country again.

Posted by: Jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

re: Foreign policy based on " American Values, Virtuous, Vastness".

Which American's values? Yours? Mine? Our diversity is as much in our values as it is in our ethnicity.

P.S. The topic of how many houses McCain owns without even knowing about seems to speak directly to his values (no pun intended).

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I don't beleve anyones definition of a war hero is one that makes propoganda films for the enemy. I have heard Vietnam veterans saying "how come a son of an admiral is saying we are bombing women and children" I have read that the propaganda messages have been locked up "for national security" I would like to know how much of that is true. I think the name "hero" does not apply. If we support the troops even when they are killing people in an unjust war like Iraq and Vietnam than we can support McCain and say he served. But I don't hear anything he did that would make him a hero: but by conservative definition I hear a lot that would make him a traitor by their definition. McCain did stand for some maverick positions in the past which is why he may have been thrown around as a possible democrat VP. But the conversion of McCain to a pure neocon (a modern word that means facist) is sad. I hope the American people have enough sense to see that American ideals: NO torture, no wars for resources, no police state, no lying to the country, no bankrupting the middle class. No taking from the taxpayer to give to the richest corporations while the middle class is losing their homes. The neocons are destroying Democracy, freedom, hope and justice and like the wizard of Oz are saying "don't look at all that stuff": "look at Abortion and Gay marriage", while we create more and more terrorists by doing the very evil they accuse us of doing: Invading countries, overthrowing governmants, fixing elections for multinational corporate interests.

Posted by: dave | August 21, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Touche,

"Colin Powell gave a dazzling but shocking performance a week later. It was shocking because Powell, knowingly or otherwise, also presented one false and misleading statement after another to the United Nations." from "WORSE THAN WATERGATE -- The Secret Presidency of George W. Bush". Sorry try again. Not racist, but I am also not PC. What is racist is 90+ percent of the black population voting for
Obama because the color of his skin.

Posted by: Nee Proof | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

once you realize that all of this is supported by BO's need to dig himself out of a hole. Once you see that he is all fluff and no substance. Just like Biden said, his presumptive VP

Also from that Observer interview: “But — and the ‘but’ was clearly inevitable — he doubts whether American voters are going to elect ‘a one-term, a guy who has served for four years in the Senate,’ and added: ‘I don’t recall hearing a word from Barack about a plan or a tactic.’”

Around that time, Biden in an interview with the Huffington Post, he assessed Obama and Hillary Clinton: “The more people learn about them (Obama and Hillary) and how they handle the pressure, the more their support will evaporate.”

What is kind of funny, everyone is screaming about how McCain is out of touch and pray tell what is BO but a academic who bought his mansion from a convicted felon Rezko? Yep, lots of fluff here and really in touch with his fellow man..

Posted by: Gary | August 21, 2008 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Do John McCain or conservative republicans respect the moral foundations of this country? The U.S. Constitution was designed to protect the people of America from misguided government.

U.S. Constitution: Amendment I - Freedom of Religion
Right now, for the first time ever, your tax dollars are funding religious groups you may not agree with. To add insult to injury, conservative judges have ruled that taxpayers do not have a right to challenge this expenditure.

Amendment IV - Search and seizure
Under the guise of court action against abortion, Conservative republicans had John Ashcroft subpoena all the medical records of literally thousands of women just like you and members of your family. Conservative republicans are invading your privacy every day. Unfortunately for all of us, they don't appear to care about our U.S. constitution, or by extension, the people of our great country.

Amendment X - Powers of the States and People
John McCain and conservative republicans have tried consistently to overturn States Laws. They used your tax dollars to destroy the will of the people of Oregon, and the famous "Death with Dignity" law; they lost, but undoubtedly will try again. Conservative republicans and John McCain do not respect States Rights.

Amendment VIII - Cruel and Unusual punishment
Would you rather die, or support a government which supported and sanctioned torture? The founding fathers would rather have died, and in fact they were proud to fight and die for our government: A government which specifically outlaws cruel and unusual punishment for very important reasons.

John McCain and the conservative republicans have destroyed the moral foundations of our country. I urge you to keep this in mind in the coming election as we rebuild our nation together by voting Democrat.

Posted by: Frank US | August 21, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Not racist, but I am also not PC. What is racist is 90+ percent of the black population voting for
Obama because the color of his skin.

Posted by: Nee Proof | August 21, 2008 5:15 PM

assuming that all 90% are voting for him because of the color of his skin seems to be a pretty racist mentality. I would say 90% of them are making the right choice regardless of their motives.

Posted by: Dude | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

The lack of morality is the root of our problems in America...

"Let us with caution indulge the supposition that morality can be maintained without religion. Reason and experience both forbid us to expect that national morality can prevail in exclusion of religious principle.

Mankind, when left to themselves, are unfit for their own government...."
George Wahington

Posted by: matt | August 21, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Wow, reading some of the partisan rhetoric makes me worry even more about this country and where we are headed.
Lets talk wealth and eliteism then if that's what this silly poll is all about. Answer these questions:

1. Name me a member of congress or a former president who isn't a millionaire.

2. Name me 1 person who has been a viable candidate for president in the past 20 years that wasn't a millionaire.

Ok now what's all this nonsense about which one of the candidates is an elitist? They are all elitists who care less about the American people than they do their world vision and party ideology. Wake up lemmings.

Posted by: Steve | August 21, 2008 5:24 PM | Report abuse

ROFL Gary. Who does you research for ya?

Obama didn't but his house from Rezko.

The seller wanted to sell the house and the empty lot next door on the same day. Rezko's wife, as part of Rezko's real estate business purchased the lot on the day Obama bought the house. Obama has admitted it was a dumb mistake, Rezko's legal problems have nothing to do with the house and lot transaction, and Obama turned over any contributions from Rezko over to charity and then bought the lot.

At least Obama admits to his mistakes and makes them right.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

You are so correct Dave 5:13-- most of these one-issue wedge voters i.e. those against choice or gay marriage-- could really care less if there's torture, wars for resources, a police state, a president who lies to the people, a bankrupt middle class, corporate welfare as long as we do NOT have same sex marriage and abortion is outlawed-- oh and heaven forbid having the temerity to elect a self-made black man!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

OCB (ol' Cranky Bastard) should concentrate on his MAC lessons, History and Geography. His GAFFES are as big as lies that he tells. He is obviously suffering from CRS (Can't Remember Sh**) aka Alzheimer?s He should go lay down somewhere.

OCB flubed the name of Georgian President three times. OCB's people say he and the Georgian leader rode jet skis together” OCB even nominated Saakashvili for a Nobel Peace Prize in 2005. But in a speech, three times!!!!!!

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x6f5ng_mccain-flubs-name-of-georgian-presi_news

Duh! And this is who the GOP puts up against a Harvard Grad? A guy who can't even check his own email? Good Luck with that GOP.!!! LOL!!

Posted by: Not OCB | August 21, 2008 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Steve,

Mike Huckabee.

Posted by: need Proof | August 21, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous

Come on even if the war is wrong the surge did work and OB has yet to say that that was a good idea. From the time the surge started deaths are down and the media has moved out. Why did the media move out? There was no story anymore. We need to leave Iraq yes but we need to leave it in a way that doesn't start another war.

Posted by: Jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 5:32 PM | Report abuse

You're right, Need Proof, but where is he now?

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 21, 2008 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Surge:
At the same time the "surge" was happening

#1 Muqtada al-Sadr agreed to a seize fire.

#2 We turned over security for some regions to local rulers.

#3 The "sons of Iraq" were formed(Sunni) and supported by US funds.

Other things also were being supported, so the surge was a part of the answer, but we could have done all the other things and maybe had the same results.

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

The GOP partial march of shame:

Leads off with John S. McCain, Jack Abramoff, Ralph Reed, Duke Cunningham, Mark Foley, Tom DeLay, Bob Ney, David Vitter, Scooter Libby, Larry Craig, Karl Rove, Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, George W. Bush, Bill Janklow, Katherine Harris, Ted Stevens, Alberto Gonzalez, George Ryan, Bill Frist, John Rowland, Dennis Hastert, Conrad Burns, Bob Taft, Jean Schmidt....got tired of typing the list goes on and on--- do we REALLY want ANOTHER one of these folks??!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Jdfolkerts

The surge improved security to allow time for political reconciliation among the Sunni and Shia. That was its purpose. Our men and women succeeded in their mission.

The Iraq government didn't take optimum advantage of the improved security to RECONCILE for a lasting peace.

We can't stay there forever being a police force between 2 warring factions whose differences go back thousands of years. We are stretched too thin and our troops are needed where our real enemies are...

Our men and women succeeded in their mission. They fought hard and were victorious and should now start a carefully planned withdrawal of combat troops in honor and victory.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

thats about the same as the dems wall of shame just this year.

Posted by: T Town | August 21, 2008 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Jdfolkerts - Deaths are down in Iraq, but they are up in Afghanistan. The story is now there, and we don't have to worry about another war starting, we already have one.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse

You are right the Surge did work. Why can't Obama say it is?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

One more point about the surge. Iraqi civilian deaths INCREASED during the surge. And as Dennis posted,

#1 Muqtada al-Sadr agreed to a seize fire.

#2 We turned over security for some regions to local rulers.

#3 The "sons of Iraq" were formed(Sunni) and supported by US funds.

BEFORE THE INCREASED TROOP LEVELS ARRIVED.

Posted by: BAC | August 21, 2008 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The Iraq war is not going to be an issue in Nov. They signed a draft today for the date to pull the troops out.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 5:53 PM | Report abuse

On the most important matter of recent years, Senator Obama had the proper judgement to keep the US out of the Iraq War. Senator McCain did not. So, I will vote for the smarter, more level-headed candidate: Obama.

Posted by: Michael J | August 21, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

The surge may have helped in Iraq, but we are paying the price in Afghanistan, so blanketly saying the surge worked is arguable at the very least.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Bet you all didn't know there was an Afghanistan, Afghanistan. LOL

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Come on even if the war is wrong the surge did work and OB has yet to say that that was a good idea. From the time the surge started deaths are down and the media has moved out. Why did the media move out? There was no story anymore. We need to leave Iraq yes but we need to leave it in a way that doesn't start another war.

Posted by: Jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 5:32 PM

****

The U.S. put 91,000 Iraqi Sunnis on the payroll and violence went down.

According to the Council on Foreign Relations, the U.S. is paying about $16 million dollars a month to members of the Sons of Iraq. Petraeus emphasized during his testimony that the "savings in vehicles not lost because of reduced violence — not to mention the priceless lives saved — have far outweighed the cost of their monthly contracts."

Once again, the issue can not be discussed as a twenty second sound bite.

Posted by: gracefulboomer1 | August 21, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Than "It's the Economy stupid"

If we don't change the Tax rate back to where it was before the Bush Tax breaks for the rich. The national debt now is at $9.5 Trillion and growing. The dollar will be a joke, and the government will not be able to rebuild are failing infrastructure. Falling bridges anyone?

Posted by: Dennis | August 21, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

The most stupid thing to do would be raise taxes will the economy is taking a dump you moron.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Re: The most stupid thing to do would be raise taxes will the economy is taking a dump you moron.

I usually don't give a crap about spelling and grammer in posts, but if you are going to call someone else a moron, maybe you should represent yourself a little better.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:08 PM | Report abuse

God, what fools. The media is pushing for a close race, because they want every penny of the collected campaign funds spent, and more borrowed. They push these faux "stories" for the purpose of making money, nothing else.

Posted by: PD | August 21, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

PD - Many of us understand that, but still find it useful to read and trade opinions based on these "faux stories." Insight gained, no matter the source, is not a bad thing - fool though I may be.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

It’s hilarious that the right calls it the left media and left calls it the right media.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

re: Its hilarious that the right calls it the left media and left calls it the right media.

Anyone remember Bush originally running as the "uniter." I'm not blaming only him, but that is hilarious considering the current state of things.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Yep, Flip-Flop McCain was against a timeline to withdraw the troops before he was for it

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

To Need Proof

Condoleezza Rice is an outstanding black politician.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:22 PM | Report abuse

pax vobiscum - I am not trying to get in your face, but I honestly wonder when it is okay to simply change ones mind. Candidates have been called flip-floppers for many years, but I think being able to admit you are wrong and amend your choice is an admirable quality. I realize sometimes it is done based political reasons rather than integrity, but these days we almost force politicians to stand by bad choices to avoid being called a flip-flopper. Just my thoughts.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah but 9/11 had a lot to do with Bush's “uniter” plans.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

I have friends that say things like"Well, it can't get any worse". Since I and they don't personally know a soul that's actually hungry, my response is "you really need to read more history". Can't get any worse? Please-how spoiled are we Americans?

Posted by: Kathy | August 21, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

I thought 9/11 brought us the "decider" not the "uniter."

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

McCain=Obama=Bush=Clinton=DEMOCRAT=REPUBLICAN=POLITICIAN

What scares me the most is the amount of effort that all of these individuals are willing to put forth for the POWER of the presidency. ANYONE who wants power that much does not deserve it and will not use their power for the good of ENTIRE country. They will use their power for the groups that can get them re-elected (Not necessarily the groups that got them elected).

I wish there was a way to get a competent person into the White House that doesn't crave the power of the position and would wield it with care.

None of our candidates will do that. I'm sure they have great intentions and truly want to help but ultimately they won't.

I glad there are enough checks and balances in the system that no one person can really destroy the country (The War in Iraq is terrible but the Republic still stands so it isn't that bad)

The only people who have done major damage to america is american citizens who are headed in the wrong direction. The american hat trick seems to be Ignorance, Greed, and Laziness. Rampant consumption and consumerism by the American People have slowly drained away gains made in previous generation.

Don't worry about the election. Don't get emotionally involved with a candidate. Get emotionally involved with you life. Work hard, help your neighbor, set high standards and goals. Don't let the politicians destract you. If we all work together the United States will improve despite the best efforts of the President and Congress.

VOTE Non of the Above

Posted by: Wendy | August 21, 2008 6:42 PM | Report abuse

pgchambers - TY for a response. My point is in the time they have had control still the "Same old Washington Politics" applies. Nothing gets done but vacations.

pax vobiscum - TY for the info. I know that signing statements are scary things. They have been used before Bush though not as badly by any means.

Also pax, i saw a rant of your on here pretty much blaming bush for gas prices. This is not his fault. What happens it typical Wall Street. When housing was going south the feds dropped the interest percent to counter the fall. They did this i believe 4 times before it stopped. Now investers see this as a bad thing to drop interest because that cuts into their pockets. Now they look for what makes them money and will hold a price no matter what. Thats when they found oil. As anything in the world the more that someone wants something the higher the price it becomes.

With this being known, the real reason gas went high, everytime you see gas drop that means investers are feeling more comfortable investing else where, hence bringing the economy to a more stable state.

Please forgive my spelling grammar and so on as i didnt want to take the time to respond to this.

Posted by: TJ | August 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

i would like both of them to comment for once on the missil deal with poland......cant either of them discuss something of substance....?

Posted by: wm musson | August 21, 2008 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Most of you know that attacks did decrease on US troops, but you think that is only because of surge. WRONG!!!! NICE TRY!!! You need to inform yourself more on other media than just U.S. media sources. You don't know how many factors affected decrease in attacks. One of them proves you wrong is that, these attackers are suicideable and they don't care as long they kill. They don't do it so much because they have been ordered not to fight, NOT YET! I personaly think they are glad there is more of us there and attacks will start again if we don't pull out soon. Your republican "surge" definetely did not work on anything really, it only took more of our sons and daughters away from homes and family for republican personal agendas. Some of them never came back, we all know why. How desperate you can be just to justify death of our kids and attacking another country. Enough is enough, we don't need George Bush again in White House and that is who McCain will have to listen and we haveto listen to him, NO WAY MAN, NOT AGAIN. VOTE OBAMA IF YOU LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND PEOPLE.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 21, 2008 6:44 PM | Report abuse

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On one side we have a recognized war hero who showed enough character to refuse to be freed from a Vietcong jail (unless his soldiers were also freed) and tolerated seven years in those conditions without breaking. On the other... what is his record again? Voting 'present' most times at the Senate? Being the beneficiary of a bribe that his convicted benefactor tried to disguise as legitimate real estate transaction? Frankly, there is no comparison. Character should matter to most Americans.

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Umm, fact check here. First, "unless his soldiers were also freed" is bull crap. He stayed because of the potential smear to his Admiral dad. Yes, honorable, but that story about others being freed first is total crap. Second, he was there for 5.5 years, not 7. Third, he did break.

Character should matter, definitely. That's why McCain will lose in November.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

"The only people who could possibly vote for Obama are people who hate the United States.

Posted by: Joseph | August 21, 2008 2:59 PM "

You get the award for the most outrageously stupid remark in a forum brimming with them.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:03 PM | Report abuse

Hey pgchambers (6:26pm) Actually, I agree with you wholeheartedly-- Senator McCain's party in 2004 used the term "flip flop" pejoratively to great effect (showing up at Kerry rallys and slapping flip-flops together, etc.) I was just attempting to point out that no single party has a monopoly on "flip-flops". I believe if President Bush had the integrity to review and revise some of his "decisions" as the "decider" -- instead of seeing a change of course as a sign of weakness, we may be better off today.

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 7:06 PM | Report abuse

"Obama is another Jimmy Carter. If elected expect long waits for gas, record high gas prices, out of control inflation, mass unemployment and becoming the laughing-stock of the world. We have been through this once, let us learn from our mistakes and not elect another Carter.

Posted by: fllibertarian | August 21, 2008 3:04 PM "

You're making a mistake here - that's the last 8 years under Bush you are describing, the worst 8 years in the history of the United States, given to us by the worst administration we have ever had.

Thanks for giving me the chance to say so, though, much appreciated, bubba.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:08 PM | Report abuse

"Personally I will vote McCain but only because having one party controlling House, Senate, and the Oval Office has always been when Americans get screwed the worst. We need to wake up and understand that all that matters to the politicians in the nation is finding a new way to buy your vote for re-election. They don't really want to fix any of the problems.

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You can say that again! Take a look at 2000-2006 (the Republicant era)

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Just heard the news that Michelle Obama has agreed to move into the Lincoln Bedroom so that the VP can sleep in the same room as Barack Hussein Obama if he is elected so that the VP can answer that phone when it rings at 3 a.m.

Posted by: Clyde | August 21, 2008 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Chris from Austin, you are so true and insightful. I feel so relieved by reading your comment, it's the BEST I HAVE READ enywhere so far. I bielive and share everything you said - and you said it in a balanced, informed and intelligent way. Obama is really a Christ-like figure who, like him, walks on an narrow path called truth but he has God as a torch pointing him the way, safely. That's why i recognize him as a true believe and I'm not even a Christian! He possesses goodness and honesty which shine despite his detractors pathetic lies. For those who trying to hurt him and his cause i can only tell them: just wait. Justice always prevail in the end. May God Bless you and protect you Obama.

Posted by: yasabella | August 21, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

"I was going to comment on this ridiculous story but then I read the posts. The Obama supporters here are obviously children with no clue. It is not worth the argument.

To the person who said they would rather have Jimmy Carter than Bush..You obviously weren't alive for Carter or you would never say that. The man almost destroyed this country.

To the idiot who says that it is a fact that McCain snitched on his fellow prisoners. You are the lowest of the low to perpetuate that lie. The man acted with heroism during years and years of abuse. Your source is the Internet which also tells us that Hitler is alive, the CIA killed Kennedy, the government orchestrated 9-11, and many other stupid conspiracies. If you believe any of those things then you are too stupid to live.
And if you don't believe it and are just trying to bad mouth a war hero, then you are a piece of sh%t scumbag and I hope you die a horrible death after watching your mother get gang raped.

Posted by: James I. | August 21, 2008 3:08 PM "
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Ooooh, we have a live one. You should have taken your own advice and not commented, ignorance is a terrible thing when pointed out by oneself.

I was alive during Carter. I would take an entire lifetime of Carter before one more year of Bush. There is absolutely no comparison whatsoever.

I have both sympathy and the utmost respect for McCain and what he went through in Vietnam, but the fact is that he did crack and denounce his country by signing a confession admitting to war crimes. I wouldn't exactly call that heroism, sorry.

Check your facts, boy.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

I find it frustrating that people are not understanding the methodology of the study - it's CBSNEWS/NYT - while not a Pew Charitable Trust poll in terms of soundness, it's certainly not riddled with errors or flawed statistically, as people apparently believe. Perhaps it would help if most Americans knew how to read those same polls - or indeed, knew what they said. The standard, bare-minimum must have for any survey is a margin of error of +/- 3%, and a margin of accuracy of 95% amongst a RANDOM POPULATION. In nineteen times out of twenty, this survey can be considered statistically valid to within three percentage points for or against any "conclusion" if the sample population is drawn entirely at random. If the sample population is not drawn at random, no conclusions can be drawn about the larger population from which it was sampled....moreover, if the margin of difference between two candidates is less than that margin of +/- 3%, no conclusions whatsoever may be drawn, as the gap of difference does not extend beyond the margin of doubt. I wish my fellow citizens knew enough to consider what these images, facts, and graphs presented to them every day actually mean, instead of believing what they are told that these graphs mean.

Posted by: Nicolai | August 21, 2008 7:26 PM | Report abuse

Hi TJ-- Forgive me about my rant about Bush and gas prices--but the Bush Administration is undeniably associated with the oil industry-- interest rates and Wall Street have some effect as well, but in just his SECOND week in office George W. Bush created the task force, officially known as the National Energy Policy Development Group (NEPDG) with Dick Cheney as chairman. This group was supposed to “develop a national energy policy designed to help the private sector, and, as necessary and appropriate, State and local governments, promote dependable, affordable, and environmentally sound production and distribution of energy for the future." With both Bush and Cheney coming from the energy industry, which had contributed heavily to their campaign, and with the group proceeding in extreme secrecy, it's difficult to believe that the energy industry was not exercising undue influence over national policy. Further, it is known that oil companies have steadily reduced the number of functioning refineries over the years- closing down nearly 1/2 of all America's refineries in the course of 3 decades (through 2005 to increase profits)-- now, we the taxpayers, are supposed to subsidize oil companies with corporate welfare to build new refineries-- where is the interest in oil companies to truly increase supply?? They now have their record profits- You are right Bush did not directly do this, but his Administration gave it's tacit approval for this path to higher prices.

Posted by: pax vobiscum | August 21, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

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These polls are a joke and the media's effort to manipulate weak-minded individuals. There is no way I can "relate" to Obama in any way, shape, or form. I am not sure how any American can feel comfortable voting for a candidate with hardly 2 years experience in a public office (and he only won in IL by default because his opponent dropped out of the race!). The only thing Obama is good at is BS - he'd make an excellent salesman. There is a reason we have not had any terror attacks on US soil since 9-11. If you actually think George W. Bush is solely responsible for the rate of home foreclosure in this country, do your research! Our ecomony did not take a turn for the worse until the democratic congress took over 2 years ago. If you think the ecomony is bad now - vote Obama in - then you will really have something to cry about! Specifically paying MORE of your hard-earned money to the government so that welfare receipients and illegal immigrants can have everything handed to them for free.
I beg of every American to actually educate themselves on each candidate before voting. I did - I went to his website and saw where he stood on the issues - He will ruin this country.
I have asked people who say they are going to vote for Obama, why? Most popular anwser: "I don't know." Give me a break! Your vote is going to affect our lives for the next 4 years (at least).

Posted by: Ebony | August 21, 2008 3:17 PM"
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Oh my God!!! Where do you idiots get your news? Solely from Rush Limbaugh and Bill O'Reilly?

1. Obama has been more than 2 years in public office.
2. Talk about BS? Does the term "WMD" or "mushroom cloud" ring a bell in that thick redneck head of yours?
3. Our country's economy took a turn for the worst when we invaded a country we had no business invading, and continues to this day, spending over $10 billion a month (almost $600 billion so far). Our country is in worse debt than ever, and by 2040 we will be a third-world nation, thank you Mr. Bush.
4. Welfare recipients deserve my hard earned money far more than the oil companies and other benefactors of Cheney's energy plan.
5. By the way, Obama's plan for immigration is far more realistic than McCain's, who has no plan.
6. You educated yourself? Now that's a laugh. You're so wrong, I'm secretly thinking that "Ebony" is really George W. Bush dressed in black.
7. Ask me why I will vote for Obama? Because republicants have put us all in the crapper, and something has to be done before McCain flushes.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:35 PM | Report abuse

The sleazy NObama is now using Clinton years as a testament to how he will govern? Did n't he compare Clinton to Nixon and held up his admiration for Reagan when he ran against HRC? Does this guy have no shame?

Well I take that last question back.

I can only hope and pray that the Nob somehow did not settle on HRC. That would be a disaster.

The best part of my day was when I opened my copy of the Journal and saw that 52% of all CLinton supporters don't support Nob, and will either sit home or vote Mac. Bravo! The rest of my fellow CLinton supporters, don't be shy, don't be browbeaten by the thugs of the Dem party (yes, the same thugs that blithely looked the other way as the Nob campaign and his prostitute media pals piled on HRC using all kinds of dirty race and sex cards) that somehow you need to unite and vote the Nob, and forget all that happened.

Nothing has changed; just read the daily column of the media prostitute Mo Dowd; she is still spouting anti-Clinton venom till today, even as the Nob is praising HRC for her trail blazing campaign. You know who is sincere and who is not between them; the venom is real. This is how all the gutter rat groupies of Nob feel towards the CLintons. As soon as the Nob is elected, he will throw CLinton under the bus (heck, he did that to his fine grandma and his beloved pastor of 20 years).

Posted by: intcamd1 | August 21, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

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Deceit,lies and corruption,really?How about some examples,did you hear about 500 tons of yellow cake uranium we just moved out of Iraq,what do you think this was for? You Nobama kool-aid drinkers really get me,Nobama says change, so far the only thing he's changed is his mind, on everthing.He is afraid to face McCain in a real debate cause he stutters worse than Pesident Bush unless he's got a teleprompter or a practiced speech,borrowed from someone else.Also the Nobama camp and the democrats are constantly injecting race into the campaign then denying it,hard to do when the chairman of the party goes around saying that republicans are white racist,bigoted,mean people.Not to mention what I hear from democrats is I must be a racist if i'm not voting for Nobama,couldn't be that I would never vote for a wack job liberal.Did you notice at the saddleback forum Nobama almost said Clarence Thomas wasn't experianced enough,but caught him self.Justice Thomas's record is quite a bit more impressive than community organizer.Do you know what a socialist is and what most socalist countries are like?Think before you vote or may find out.

Posted by: pete | August 21, 2008 3:21 PM "
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Evidence above that lack of education is a very serious issue in this country. Looks like somebody got left behind, along with about 300 million other Americans in the last 8 years.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:37 PM | Report abuse

You know, the U.S. is at the bottom in education compared to other industrialized countries. That's why half of the U.S. is so dumb and ignorant that they'll vote for McCain to prolong the Bush years. Not a very constructive comment, sorry. I hope that when Obama is President, he'll push for beefing up our secondary education. People who don't even know where Iraq is on the map have the right to vote for President, ugh.

Posted by: NKirv | August 21, 2008 7:38 PM | Report abuse

"Thank God for Pres Bush. One of the greatest of the Presidents. We will miss you! And don't mind these liberal bashers; their bashing proves your goodness and strength.

Posted by: Ted | August 21, 2008 3:23 PM "
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Evidence that not only education is a serious issue, but clearly also is the lack of effective pharmaceuticals for the insane.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:39 PM | Report abuse

"I think the Saddleback forum was great. I think the Democrats should think twice before making the statement the McCain had the answers beforehand. It kinda makes the minister look bad and the Democrats look foolish.

Posted by: Eleanor | August 21, 2008 3:24 PM"
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C'mon, whether he had the questions beforehand or not is immaterial. In the Saddleback forum there was only one true answer for both the pastor and the audience, and even McCain was able to memorize the correct statements to use.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

"Regarding change, there will be change and will not be good. The U.S. will become a second rate nation and the world will move toward the brink of disaster.

Posted by: Curt | August 21, 2008 3:30 PM "
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We're already there - have been for oh, 7 years now. Change is the only thing that will help us.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Let us take a look at the big liars for 2008.
5. Rumsfeld
4. Wolfowitz
3. Tenet
2. Rice
1. And the winner is, your favorite dirty worst president in the history of the US, George W. Bush.

Originally posted by Anyone but Obama, I changed the list to the actual truth.

Posted by: "Anyone but Obama"=PWNED! | August 21, 2008 7:55 PM | Report abuse

"What about Obama's multimillion dollar house that was bought under market value with help from that slumlord in Chicago?

Posted by: BLM | August 21, 2008 3:45 PM "
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Multimillion? Boy, you republicants can really stretch the truth. Here's a truth for you - how many houses has McCain bought without the help of that drug addict/thief he married?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

"Did you know that The American Communist Party "needs" the democratic candidate to win in November (according to their website)? And they do not endorse just any democratic candidate - only Obama. What does this tell you about how he would potentially ruin this country!??!?!

Posted by: Oh no | August 21, 2008 3:46 PM "

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Wow, Sean Hannity still has that website up?

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 7:58 PM | Report abuse

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dave - I am not an Obama supporter, but I don't see how the reduction our current deficit is going to develop under our current strategy. Unfortunately, I see that Obama will tax it away if he wins (and probably be praised for it), but until the GOP quits being the party of corporate welfare and gets back to its conservative ideals, I don't see the economy improving. Bush may not be a tax and spend liberal, but a spend and spend conservative may actually be worse.

Posted by: pgchambers | August 21, 2008 4:00 PM "

Well said. Take a look at this chart, and be prepared to be absolutely shocked:

http://www.lafn.org/gvdc/Natl_Debt_Chart.html

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 8:08 PM | Report abuse

The Bible 100% indicated life begins in the womb. Please read your bible and you would know this. Do you not understand how ungodly horrible abortion is? These are babies that are being destroyed because of selfish people. You women do have the right to not have chilren..... ITS CALLED DONT HAVE SEX!

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:03 PM


I bet you're really, really ugly. :-)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

"I agree, the democratic controlled Congress has nearly ruined our country, Thanks to the all those who voted them in.

Posted by: matt | August 21, 2008 4:05 PM "

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Oh gawd, but there are some really, REALLY ignorant people here. So in your mind, the country has been nearly ruined in just the last 20 months?

I'll tell you what has ruined our country (and not just nearly) - the fact that our Congress has totally, completely forgotten their responsibility to hold the president responsible for his actions. From 2000-2006, Republicans allowed Bush and Cheney to ride roughshod over all of us, and from 2007-2008 Democrats have not voted to impeach.

Its no wonder approval rating in Washington is below 10% - both the responsibility, and the blame, of both parties.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

Polling has replaced investigative journalism...
R.I.P. informed mass media.
Long Live the Internet!

Posted by: taihunter | August 21, 2008 8:18 PM | Report abuse

--------The Bible 100% indicated life begins in the womb. Please read your bible and you would know this. Do you not understand how ungodly horrible abortion is? These are babies that are being destroyed because of selfish people. You women do have the right to not have chilren..... ITS CALLED DONT HAVE SEX!------------

Or properly fund anticonception programs/methods---NOT CUT THEM!!!

And another thing ---- Thats what YOUR bible says NOT MINE!! So don't push your religious garbage on the rest of us!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest Quote of the Century
By Barack Obama

"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"

LOL!!! Need anything else be said?

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 4:24 PM

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Care to give us a reference where this direct quote was used, NotaTruthteller? That's right, it never happened. Nice try from the political right, spreaders of non-truth.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:25 PM | Report abuse

Conservatives need to be more liberal in the use of their minds

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Knowing how to commit war = knowledge and experience with foreign policy.

Posted by: Consider | August 21, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

"Josh those people that feel its ok to kill our children should not be allowed to walk free amoungst us. It doesn't matter if this has anything do to with religion it has to do with pure evil. The murder of anyone is horrible but to kill children and then to ahve groups fight for the right to kill children. Also the Constitution nowhere says you have the right to abortion. Just 9 people voted has killed over 40 million Americans

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 21, 2008 4:33 PM "

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So, tell that to the 8000+ parents of the United States whose children were killed by an illegal and unjust war. Or perhaps, the 160,000+ Iraqi parents who have lost their children?

The Constitution also nowhere says that you don't have that right.

Pro choice, its the only sensible answer.

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 8:32 PM | Report abuse

What is funny is that the presumptive VP thinks McCain is better suited to run the country than BO;
Biden appearing on The Daily Show, August 2, 2005: “John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off, be well off no matter who...”

Posted by: Gary | August 21, 2008 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest Quote of the Century
By Barack Obama

"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"

LOL!!! Need anything else be said?

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Dumbest Quote of the Century
By Barack Obama

"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it"

LOL!!! Need anything else be said?

Posted by: NotaLiberal | August 21, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

after reading these comments I've come to the conclusion, as the worlds largest super power you people are insane.

mickey

Posted by: the rest of world | August 21, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

To Need Proof

Condoleezza Rice is an outstanding black politician.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 6:22 PM
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Wow. I would have posted this anonymously too - its arguably the most ridiculous statement here. OK, there was the one guy devoid of medication who keeps praising the great work Bush did for the country, but boy oh boy, this one is a shocker!

Posted by: ToKnow | August 21, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

-"America is the greatest country in the history of the world...Join me today, and help me change it" LOL!!! Need anything else be said?-

Nah NotTruthTeller no need to say anything else---you proved yourself by misquoting-- your (...) shows you ommitted and/or took out of context his quote-- so sad and desperate.
Go do something constructive like count Johnny McCain's houses.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

I am very concerned about the polling data. Most homes in the country have converted to cell phones. Landlines are becoming extinct. I am concerned the numbers are reflective of the elderly and stay at home moms. I can't understand how national percentages are drawn from a few thousand people. From my perspective, the media has been very negative with Senator Obama and neglecting to report important information on Senator McCaine. Voters want to see the media present fair and balanced information on both candidates. I am speaking of all media outlets.

Posted by: Cheryl | August 21, 2008 8:57 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not McCain will win. No one wants the Obamaneonazies in power.

Posted by: dragonfly777 | August 21, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Skippy - I'm guessing you're citing a number from March 17 *2*0*0*07*. Rudy dropped out in late January.

Nice try.

BB

Posted by: Fairlington Blade | August 21, 2008 9:07 PM | Report abuse

...because the polls influence the elections. They are used like a tool and so are you.

Posted by: dondelavita | August 21, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Johnny was at one of his 7 houses today- his Sedona, AZ ranch-- what gaffe is Johnny gonna have tomorrow when he gets back on the "trail"?-- this is an important moment in this campaign-- what a beautiful example of a disconnect-- "I'll have to get back to you on how many houses I have...." such a "common man" you are Johnny--- you almost had me fooled---NOT

Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:09 PM | Report abuse


Since Obama won the primaries, the neocon media has been pimping McCain and undermining Obama. It's either the polls, or the Clintons or the Clinton supporters, yada, yada, yada. ALL of it COOKED UP.


Posted by: Anonymous | August 21, 2008 10:19 PM | Report abuse

Despite his race, I am amazed by what Senator Obama has accomplished. I have been in this country for 5 years and when I arrived I was struck at how poor and uneducated most blacks are. I could never figure out why most had children out of wedlock, sold drugs, and were in jail. I suppose it is the slave metality from generations ago but at some point they will have to take responsibility. I think that is the reason Senator Obama appeals to so many whites because he isn't 100% black. He has a black face but the mentality of a white person. That makes the vote palatable and they can feel good about themselves. I doubt many of these white voters would go for an Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson - just too black and they are for more representative of the black American - not Barack Obama.

Posted by: Rahiq Syed | August 21, 2008 10:31 PM | Report abuse

ToKnow I bet you have a poster of Ted Kennedy on your wall. Why did the Democrats not impeach Bush? For what? For not being a supporter of queers, commies, baby murderers, and terrrorists like they are?

Posted by: Matt | August 21, 2008 11:59 PM | Report abuse

Polls only reach people with land lines. What about the significant and expanding demographic who have no land lines and just rely on their cellphones? Nobody's considering this likely bloc of Obama supporters...I'd like to see a breakdown of people that don't use landlines but I imagine they are younger and likely more progressive and if they come out and vote the poll projections could be off considerably.

Posted by: Head | August 22, 2008 12:01 AM | Report abuse

These people who keep bringing up Rezco, Ayers and Rev Wright are grasping...Those people have to answer for themselves..Obama is not responsible for every person he ever associated with..unlike McCain and the Keating5. At least Obamna has not been investigated for corruption. Obama08

Posted by: DT | August 22, 2008 12:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree with Jodi, Mccain for '08 and Hillary in "12. That was my prediction since Hillary quit the race.

Posted by: bobby | August 22, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

What tune is that "Ol McDonald had a Farm" or "5 Little Monkeys Jumping on the Bed"?

Posted by: realdem | August 22, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

John McCain thinks birth control pills are a form of abortion? You people are nuts if you vote for this man.

Posted by: Crempole Stalwart | August 22, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

I consistently hang up on pollsters after asking them to remove me from any future call list. Do they count me as undecided? Who does answer those polls?

Posted by: TWstroud | August 22, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

ToKnow

Sad you do not know the Constitution. The POTUS is the Commander and Chief of the Army and Navy. I do believe that gives him the right to use them. Also the fact that the Senate ratified his request to use troops in Iraq. You people seem to forget all that happened around the beginning of the war.

Your lucky you where not "Pro-choiced".

Anonyomus

wow awesome. Man grats I am not sure what to say. I guess I will agree I am ugly.

You should check out www.nationalreview.com and their transcript on how Obama was more worried about the doctors liability over the health of a LIVE child born during a botched abortion. Obama is for killing children. I do not care is McCain doesn't understand the science behind the pill he will no stand for letting babies die.

Posted by: jdfolkerts | August 22, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

ToKnow and Anonymous, I completely agree with most of what you've posted. Also, thanks for the comic relief!!!

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 22, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

jdfolkerts, I am certainly glad that I wasn't "pro-choiced" and I am alive to enjoy that thought. You're argument has no logic. However, I am the oldest of six and thank god my Mom, who had to raise us alone because my Dad was an abusive drunk who didn't pay child support, had help from the goverment through a program called Aid to Families with Dependent Children (AFDC). A Federal program which no longer exists and the only help single parents can get these days is from their families, if they are lucky to have one, or emergency transition funds from the State.

Also, you're right, the Constitution does state that the President is the commander and chief and has the power to send troops into battle. However, what we have now is an abuse of that power. Too many dead Americans and too many dead Iragis. All so we can be better positioned in the Middle East. Not good enough. Next, Poland. We use people and then throw them away.

Posted by: PleaseChange | August 22, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

If by some insanely mind-manipulated paranoia America votes McCain in.-THEN:
It all over now baby blue.
TThis is a corrupt corporate dictatorship, look behind the silly 24-hour a day of spewing of crappy entertainment. This is obvious unless your one of Sean Hanniities GREAT AMERICANS- freaking Zombies.
There’s a chance Obama has a soul (not one of those plastic evangelical ones.)
Maybe he harbors that special genius to get us over this eve of destruction world. No guarantees.

McCain is a freaking-insane, warmongering corpse leading to the end of liberal democracy, of not the human world. I do not exaggerate you guys are just blind. Really.
lux

Posted by: lux lumana | August 22, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I can just see the Nov. 3 headlines...

How did the Democrats lose AGAIN?

...in a climate where Bugs Bunny could defeat McCain?

Then they will realize that women all over the country were extremely offended at how Hillary Clinton was treated. None hold fury like a woman scorned and we were all scorned.
To make matters worse Osama IS NOT EVEN QAULIFIED TO BE PRESIDENT. Sounds like we are back in the 1960's before women had equal rights, a time when men were favored and women shunned and belittled even if the men were less qualified than a woman for the same job.

Posted by: Shelby | August 23, 2008 12:25 AM | Report abuse

I don't put much stock in these polls. These pollsters could poll 100 old white people in Timbukto. Who do you think would
come out on top? McBush, of course. It's a flawed system. Totally suspect.

Posted by: Holly | August 23, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

You can bet that this particular poll will get very little coverage because the media ia into talking down Obama. As a practical matter, none of these polls have much meaning. The polling system as it is practiced today leaves far too many voting blocs out of the mix.

Let me give you an example of how the media selects polling to track with the current narrative they are obsessing over. For months, Obama has held significant leads over McCain in the battleground states. But, you would have to dig into those polls to find that out. At one time Obama had strong leads in Florida, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin. Why did we not know about it? Because the media did not want to talk about it. Why? Because the media craves drama for ratings and profit.

The media only began obsessing over the state polls when they narrowed in McCain's favor. You can tell when Obama is doing better in the battleground polls. The media stoips tallking about them and goes back to the laughably unreliable tracking polls and polls of likely voters (older white voters who spend an inordinate amount of time watching the cable news networks--especially Fox News). Ever wonder why McDonalds is keeping its TVs on the Fox News channels? Because their biggest customer bloc is older white people.

When you see a poll like the Reuters/Zogby poll of reliable voters, you can well bet that that poll was conducted specifically for those politically active groups out there on the right that insisted on some sort of poll that would show McCain leading. When you see the term "likely voters" translate that to old, white fossils who are terrified that a black man might actually be our next President.

Posted by: Jaxas | August 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I believe that since era of elections won by wide margins are over, elections are now won by organized injection of rumors and controversy and it is their effects that are polled and monitored for effectiveness but these effects also wear off.

Posted by: Tesa | August 23, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Barack tries to paint himself as a blank slate while John McCain takes a stand on policies and issues.

Posted by: Haley Rodman Clemson | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Barack tries to paint himself as a blank slate while John McCain takes a stand on policies and issues.

Posted by: Haley Rodman Clemson | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM

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Issues like Paris Hilton and Brittany Spears. Get the hell out a here. Maybe McCain's economic advisor can cause another Enron collapse. Man, your mind is blank, just like McCain's.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Most of you people don't even know nothing about McCain. All you know is Obama's Black, and that's enough to not vote for him. When your country is bankrupt, and you can't retire because all the Social Security money is spent, we'll see how much your cheering McCain then.

Posted by: Mike | August 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

After 20 years of job loss and selling the country to the Chinese, you'd think the dumb down American people would,ve had enough. But no, you want McBush to stick it to ya some more. McBush only has you paying 5 dollars a gallon for gas, but you want 6. I know you can't wait until you lose your home so you can live in your car. The country is only 10 trillion in debt, but hey, lets stay in Iraq for a few more years at 10 billion a month. Our bridges, roads, schools, levies are all falling apart, but hey, Bush got his oil. McCain won't listen to Obama's advice on sending more troops to Afghanistan. Now we're losing and our soldiers are dieing because McCain wants to prove a point. How will this country survive without McCain and all his experience.

Posted by: Michael | August 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

love to listen to the morons say "If you don't like Bush you can't like McCain". There are so many differences between the two that McCain had trouble solidifying his own base. Conservatives think he is too liberal. Does that sound like Bush to you? If it does then you have no idea what you're talking about. By the way, take a look at Obama's policies. Talk about same old thing...compare those policies with those of Jimmy Carter (One of the worst presidents of the 20th century) and you will see that they are exactly the same. Learn some history before you vote this radical left-wing lunatic into office and destroy this country. Obama=Carter, McCain=Something new.

Posted by: Nobama | August 21, 2008 2:51 PM
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Now, see, that's the Catch-22 I can't quite understand: If McCain's too liberal as you say, how can and why should conservatives vote for him?? There was a reason they didn't trust him in the first place, right?? ["He works too closely with the Dems, blah, blah..."] Now suddenly because he tells the GOP (i.e. mostly conservative) base he's for their issues you guys can pull the lever for him?? Please. You and most of your ilk are scared of Obama because of his policies andahemrace, and you don't want him to become President because of this. You're willing to compromise your "values" just to put McCain in. A REAL conservative would keep his or her beliefs, and not vote for McCain by staying home this Election Day. It's only proper, if you really think about it. Plus, here's the Dirty Little Secret the GOP is basically adding as well: "We're going to throw our party under the bus when it comes to both Houses of Congress because we know we're not gonna to with either back this term, but by golly, we're gonna STILL keep the White House!!" Slick that is, but it is my sincerest hope that this WON'T work, and the Dems win ALL of the branches of government, ESPECIALLY the White House. Only then will you and your ilk go back and seriously evaluate where your conservative philosophy went wrong, and you'll (hopefully) moderate some of your positions.

Posted by: SAGG | August 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Before I vote for Obama, I need to know of one decent black politician that wasn't a crook and a liar and but his job before himself. The record speaks for itself.

Posted by: Need Proof. | August 21, 2008 4:31 PM

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What an utterly ignorant and ridiculously racist statement. You're basically saying ALL black politicians (and minority ones, might as well expand it) are crooks. Of course to you, there are apparently no politicians who happen to be white that have done anything wrong, just the black ones. I'd like to make a suggestion: Don't vote for Obama. Period. That way, your conscience (if there's any there) won't be affected at all. See? That's easy. Votes like your's are something Obama doesn't need.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

uffdaron - you are correct when you state that the public and the new media won't drill down on any of the promises. The easiest one is the Windfall profit tax on Exxon and others. The Congress has already spent the proceeds in its anticipated bill on "altenate energy" research. Yet BO wants to use it in his Ponzi scheme to give everyone under a certain income level $1000. When you start putting dollar amounts on what his new taxes will bring and what he will spend it on the variance is unbelievable. There are 2 immediately glaring points about just this issue. 1) the windfall profit tax created a huge shortage of supply creating very long lines at the pump, it is BO's largest block of voters that will suffer the most.2) this money will be taken away from the very asset the US needs for the next 15 to 20 years as we transition to a market viable enviros seem happly to take the risk of driving this country into a deep depression if the alternative energy hasn't matured enough to be market viable. And if we have a deep depression all energy sources will suffer due to lack of investment capital.

Posted by: johs | August 23, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I have been around a long time (I'm 68)
I was raised by Democrat Parents. My Dad always said the Democrats Represent the Blue Collar Working man, The Republicans are for the Rich Elite and the big corporations.
I don't trust Most Americans to make the right choice because they were STUPID enough to re-elect Bush after 4 years of a Presidential fiasco! Now our economy and world image are both in the toilet!

Posted by: Old One | August 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

NeedProof,
You may be white like my self but I strongly believe that you have a human face but you have the soul of a beast. There are good and bad white and black politicians alike.
Take a look at your self in the mirror and you will see your beast nature. If you were a real man, you should have used your name in your posting.
Beast of human nature.

Posted by: Arnold | August 23, 2008 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Obama is working from within using Joe Biden as a cover for his communist agenda. He needed an old white guy to fit the bill so he would look less threatening. Joe Biden is a stooge that will act as a guard dog for Obama. Obama comes from the Saul Alinsky school of community organizing. For his entire political career he has been surrounded by subversives, communists, and radical left wingers that believe in class warfare. He is an instigator and a divider. A vote for Obama is a vote for a hard left turn towards communism. Obama is creating race and class warfare as a political move. He wants to tax the rich and redistribute to the poor. I employ over 60 people and am independently wealthy because I have hard worked all of my life. I am living the American dream and I own three houses and a small commerical building that houses one of my businesses. I promise you that if Obama wins and increases my capital gains taxes, corporate taxes and income taxes I may be forced to lay off some of my employees. I might even shut down a couple of my break-even businesses. I will not lay down for this and I will fight to keep what I have worked for all of my life. I have an annual payroll of over four million dollars and employ men and and women of every race, religion and color. I will survive, but they might not. It's that simple. The federal government should not be able to confiscate and redistribute hard earned profits. It's unconstitutional. Hard working Americans, be careful what you wish for because Obama may send us spiraling into a depression like you have never seen the likes of. There are many wealthy employers who can survive with or without you and if you take away their incentive to make a profit, why should they bother?

Posted by: Saynotocommunism | August 24, 2008 1:39 AM | Report abuse

ugh McCain makes me ill, I will loose all faith in the American people if he gets the presidency. I hope that people have learned a lesson after the catastrophic 8 years of Bush. Bush and McCain love each other they are both crusty old white men who have never known a day of poverty or hardship in their lives. McCain can take his 12 houses (or however many he has since he himself doesnt know!) and shove 'em where the sun don't shine!

Posted by: Down With McCain | August 24, 2008 6:39 AM | Report abuse

I can identify with McCain because my Grandmother has Alzheimer's too. That old coot has no business running the country when he can't even find his shoes and forgets where he is.

Posted by: Dementia Part II | August 24, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Saynotocommunism...you are an idiot. It is 2008. Change does not equal communism! You cannot run on the agenda of fear. Obama is not Robin Hood. America is a great country because of ALL hardworking Americans. This IS the land of immigrants. Opportunity and freedom in this country have not always been available to all. Small minds continue to espouse the same small ideas. Do me favor...put a muzzle on, crawl back into your dark hole of cynicism, and reflect on the past 8 years that you and others are responsible for...thanks to Bush, the man you thought could lead America!

Posted by: smarterthanyouthink | August 27, 2008 2:08 AM | Report abuse

My God, between those of you who can't spell or use any grammatic sense and those of you stuck in the 50s and worried about communism, I don't know where to start. How anyone could even consider electing McCain for four more years of the idiocy already foisted upon us for the last 8 boggles the mind. Those of you scared because of Obama's color or name or erroneously perceived Muslim affiliation are just blowhard idjits.
Reasoned debate among those with a modicum of intelligence should guide your decision in the election. The conservative agenda, while purporting to espouse our Founder's values is actually just the opposite. If you don't like abortions, don't get one. If you don't like porn, don't look at it. If you don't want to smoke pot, don't. But I certainly don't need a bunch of 'patriotic' patricians telling me what I can or can't do.

Posted by: Timbo | August 27, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

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