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New Data: Impact of Biden

Barack Obama's choice of Joe Biden as his running mate is unlikely to shake-up the presidential horse race. In a new Washington Post-ABC News poll completed last night, three-quarters of voters said picking Biden would not sway their votes one way or the other. And about as many said they would be more apt to support Obama with Biden on the ticket as said the choice would make them less likely to vote Democratic on Election Day (13 to 10 percent).

Q. If Obama chooses Delaware Senator Joe Biden as his vice presidential running mate, would that make you more likely to vote for Obama, less likely, or wouldn't it make any difference in your vote?

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SOURCE: Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted by telephone Aug. 19-22, 2008 among a random national sample of 916 registered voters. Results have a three point error margin.

Those numbers would reflect prior Post-ABC polls showing at most limited topline changes following vice presidential announcements.

More from the new poll will be available Sunday morning.

By Jon Cohen  |  August 23, 2008; 8:00 AM ET
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I'm deeply disappointed at this choice. The candidate for change has chosen the consumate Washington insider as a running mate.....not just any insider, but an old school "do nothing" Democrat, the type who talk a great game but ultimately do very little, and who over the last eight years have allowed Bush to trash this once great nation........This is a sad day for those of us who truly hoped for change......

Posted by: Shaun | August 23, 2008 8:20 AM | Report abuse

Shaun...give it up. You think Se. McMansion represents change?

Posted by: RobRoy1 | August 23, 2008 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Biden is smart,savvy and capable of actually saing sane things. He actually had more presidential credentials than any other candidate in the primaries. And he could "take over" if needed.

Posted by: trainor | August 23, 2008 8:25 AM | Report abuse

The way I see it, Obama was kind of damned if he did, damned if he didn't here. Had he picked Tim Kaine, the storyline would have been "he doesn't have any experience, and neither does his running mate." Now the story is "consummate DC insider." So what do you want? It seems you can't have it both ways... except, in fact, the way Obama has done it, which is to couple his vision and innovativeness with Biden's steadfast experience. Seems like a good ticket to me.

Posted by: roxjan | August 23, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

I find it hysterical to see McCain people pretend to be Obama supporters and then claim they wish he should have picked Hillary or else just any other candidate ('for change')...

Posted by: Luke S | August 23, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

If you truly think Biden will overturn any of the "change" that Obama wants to bring, then you don't really have any respect for Obama's intelligence and his message and you shouldn't have voted for him in the primary. Biden says some stupid things every once in a while, but he brings to the table some of the most impressive and reasoned foreign policy opinions of anyone in Washington. Have you ever listened to him speak about international affairs? I can't wait to see Biden on a stage debating, Romney/Leiberman, or whomever else McCain might decide to nominate.

Posted by: Brian | August 23, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

No to Hillary means that I vote for mccain!

Posted by: joe | August 23, 2008 8:29 AM | Report abuse

If you consider yourself a Democrat and have rationalized voting for McCain because your candidate did not get picked, you do not deserve to be called a Democrat for you are actually an idiot. How one could rationalize voting for a man who has voted with George Bush 95% of the time is beyond my comprehension. The country's future is more important than your celebrity and/or feminist obsessions. I would have voted for Hillary but, she didn't win and that's it.

Posted by: Matt | August 23, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Shaun,

Do you really think Biden would NOT be a change from Bush/Cheney? Come on!

Biden may be an insider, but that is the point - it takes insider knowledge to change D.C. Coming in as a complete outsider like Carter would be a disaster. And don't forget that it took Bill Clinton almost 3-1/2 years to learn how things work here--Biden will shorten that learning curve by a lot.

Plus, he can really hammer McCain as an elitst only posing as an Average Joe.

Posted by: LooseFur | August 23, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden is a bad pick. He has a history of saying really silly things then having to backtrack. For example the quote about Obama. Then there is the plagiarism issue that will come up. But most of all, he is another (elitist) Senator, despite his supposedly working class background, he's from a small NE and inconsequential state. I don't get it. The pick suggests to me that some of the criticism of Barack as elitist may have a germ of truth.

Posted by: Joe | August 23, 2008 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Here at Protestants for Peace, we feel very let down. We had been hoping for a more ecumenical choice, especially our favorite, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA).

Posted by: Rev. E. Raleigh Pimperton III | August 23, 2008 8:34 AM | Report abuse

I was thinking that Kodos had to hit a grand slam with his VP canidate selection; but now that Kang's choice has met the public with a resounding "thud," Kodos may yet have a decent shot.

Posted by: NOVA Mike | August 23, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Joe, lose cannon, Biden is at best neutral in helping Obama. He is an ultimate insider and about “change” the only change Obama has shown since talking a good game in the primaries is that he can "change" and become a old school very quickly – what a disgrace.

Posted by: Was a Democrat | August 23, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

OK, here's how to fix the damage:
we pick Obama this year to avoid McCain.
In four years, we pick Obama again or go with the Rob Portman or somebody from the GOP to avoid Biden. In eight years, we definitely go GOP to dodge Biden.

BTW, Biden would be 73 in eight years, one year older than McCain!!!!

Oh, Barak.....you're losing us, man.

Posted by: joneshn | August 23, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

So much for the candidate for change. Unfortunately I'm in the 10%. And no Luke, I'm not a McCain supporter. I find it interesting that anytime someone disagrees with this once refreshing candidate, they are immediately labeled a conservative. The Bushies use the same tactic to bully their way around town.

Posted by: Ron | August 23, 2008 8:36 AM | Report abuse

We need a VP who is capable, respected, and DC savvy. We have one now, in Cheney, who is off the charts as being the most evil and dangerous person in such an office in history, so we need someone to bring dignity and respect back to the VP level..and we now have that chance. With Biden we get someone who CAN deal with foreign affairs based on experience and ability. Who knows the ropes of DC well. Is respected and VERY capable! What's not to like?

Posted by: bullmountaininc | August 23, 2008 8:37 AM | Report abuse

Way to go.

Now it's time to flip the ticket.

Posted by: Rich | August 23, 2008 8:38 AM | Report abuse

This is a biased poll with a poorly worded question. How do those who are strongly decided to interpret it? The choice of VP can make little difference in comparison with the overarching issues already identified by the strongly decided, no matter what the issues are. However, the strongly decided might read the question to be asking whether they think the choice of VP would make a difference in the election. It is interesting that the split between positive and negative votes matches the distribution of support for the presidential candidates.

Posted by: Gary | August 23, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Joe wrote:

"No to Hillary means that I vote for mccain!"

As reported by Maureen Dowd and David Corn, at a Republican fundraiser, McCain joked: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

So, Joe, if you want a real Hillary-hater in the White House, McCain is your man.

Posted by: renu1 | August 23, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

It looks like Obama took a page from President Bush. He picked a foreign policy expert that the media praised at the time just like they are now doing for Biden. So much for change when you pick a old man that has been in the sentate for 32 years and ran for President twice. When you pick a loser you also look like a loser. Obama is talking out of both sides of his mouth.

Posted by: RL | August 23, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I don't think we should be second guessing Sen. Obama, a man who has run the most brilliant campaign in the history of American politics. I think he's made some pretty damned good choices. He didn't listen to the pundits who for some reason kept pushing Hillary on him.
Obama-Biden 08!

Posted by: Holly | August 23, 2008 8:40 AM | Report abuse

How's Obama going to keep Joe's big mouth shut?

Posted by: gerstner | August 23, 2008 8:41 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHA, Look, the fact of the matter is, Obama is a great speaker, and obviously a great sales man. But he is in no way going to CHANGE anything in DC. Obama supporters are fools to the highest level. And if he wins, it will reflect on us all.

Posted by: PETE | August 23, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Biden is one of the smartest men in the US Senate. He is an excellent choice and knows more about foreign affairs than John McCain. I would love to see him take Joe Lieberman apart in the VP debates.

Biden pointed out that the oil prices are related to Bush foreign policy in the Middle East and saber rattling against Iran. He gives the ticket an experienced Democratic leader.

Posted by: Middle Class Warrior | August 23, 2008 8:42 AM | Report abuse

So, Joe, you were probabaly going to going to vote for McCain anyway. If you want endless war, a radical Supreme Court which seeds all power in the Executive and takes away women's rights (including the right to choose), be my guest.

http://mhasegawa.wordpress.com/

Posted by: Maya | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Obama tends to take a balanced thoughtful perspective on things. It makes sense he would pick someone who does a great job balancing the ticket.

Posted by: Robert | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

if you vote for McCain in response to Obama's VP choice, be sure to bite off your nose to spite your face as well
i dont get the pretzel logic

Posted by: vince | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

In the end, does it really matter? Think about it.

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Lots of people voted against Kennedy/Johnson (that means they were voting for Dick Nixon). So please don't forget to vote. Like Kennedy, Obama needed to select someone like Biden/Johnson to help build a foundation that was too scary for folks. But it's all about Obama and where he can lead our great land!

Posted by: Thoren | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Rev. E. Raleigh they did call barney gay but he was bend over infront of another man so he didnt pick up the phone

Posted by: nam | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

"No to Hillary means I vote for McCain." As Michael Moore once said, "Bill Clinton was the best Republican president we ever had." Is it surprising that some Hillary voters won't vote Democrat in November? Afterall, many of these are really Republicans at heart, and can't support somebody who is ideologically liberal.

Posted by: Jeff | August 23, 2008 8:43 AM | Report abuse

Picking Biden is one more disappointment since Obama became to presumptive nominee. I've sent him money but what spark was in me for him is very, very dim. I'll have no choice but to vote for him but he's turning out to be as big a disappointment as the rest.

Posted by: James | August 23, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I say we have a battle royal cage match to see who win the office!!

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I really like and admire Joe Biden. He'll make an admirable president when Obama is rapidly impeached for incompetence.

But this year, rather than going to the polls to vote for a VP, I'll be going to vote as strongly as possible against the most unqualified candidate ever to be nominated. Voting for McKinney or Nader just nullifies my vote - it's the same as staying at home, so McCain gets the vote that will cancel out one of the Obama-lover's.

Posted by: Lynn | August 23, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Ron -

disagreeing with Obama is not what gets ou labeled a conservative. NOT voting for him, no matter what you think of his ideas, should get you labeled a reactionary. Another 4-8 years of Republican rule, especially under a hot-headed McCarthyite, would solidify the U.S.'s place as a second rate country. We would then loose all of our top people and turn into a third world nation.

Posted by: K | August 23, 2008 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I am reminded of JKF's choice in LBJ. Kennedy was a relative Washington outsider, LBJ the master of the senate. I think the choice of a Washington insider makes sense.

Posted by: Anne | August 23, 2008 8:45 AM | Report abuse

I'm a die hard Hillary fan, but if the GOP thinks I'd vote for McCain just because I'm unhappy my candidate didn't win in order to give her another chance in 2012,or because Obama didn't tap her for Veep, they're nuts. Four more years of a Republican Administration means it won't matter who's Pres. in 2012...it'll be far too late.

Anyway, I like Joe Biden.

Posted by: Chuck Terzella | August 23, 2008 8:46 AM | Report abuse

Obama has just picked a similarly liberal runmate. What a ticket! Two of the most liberal senators partnering to change our country. God knows what is in store for us if they win. I personally do not think this country is ready to become a socialist republic. Grab your pockets because if they win, they are going so siphon out more of your money than you will ever realize. I am very optimistic that this ultra liberal ticket will do nothing more than help the republicans

Posted by: B. Elder | August 23, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Great Choice!!! Joe Biden would be a great President, so a super VP. This man is the best of the best, and my family (NJ) is thrilled to see Obama's superb reasoning personified in this choice!!

Posted by: Tim | August 23, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Responding to James, who said: "I'll have no choice but to vote for him..."
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James, you do have a choice. Our options aren't good, but our choices are still our own. No party or candidate owns or controls our votes.

Posted by: Lynn | August 23, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

I want Obama to win. Period. I think Hillary would have brought more commitment from her supporters and a better chance, but the VP is not the issue. Biden has a lot of strengths, most of which are not electoral. But he will do the country proud in that role. More importantly, Barak, listen up. The magic is gone. It's what got you here. It's what still gives the world hope for a better US. Stop listening to your handlers. Look what they did for Gore and Kerry. Sorry to be repetitive, but be what got you here!

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the best choice Obama could make.
This is a dream team, I think the US, if the voters are clever enough to understand the difference between class politics and structural change, could actually begin to regain its standing in the world. I agree with Luke S, especially after reading the various comments from Shaun and Joe, that the McCain people are pretending to be Democrats and are out doing their spin work, what with McCain- (and either Liebermann or Romney as a possible VP) what else can they do, that and slopping their negative ads all over the place, they have nothing to offer. The US can not afford another 4 or 8 years of the McCain(same)thing.

Posted by: JEB | August 23, 2008 8:47 AM | Report abuse

The news story is "Biden."

WP says it's their new poll. Good grief. How fast the mighty have fallen.

Posted by: zzpat | August 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Thoren said it best: Lots of people voted against Kennedy/Johnson (that means they were voting for Dick Nixon). So please don't forget to vote. Like Kennedy, Obama needed to select someone like Biden/Johnson to help build a foundation that was too scary for folks. But it's all about Obama and where he can lead our great land!
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.....and looked what happened to Kennedy. Don't think for a minute there are not people out there waiting for this.

Posted by: Pete | August 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

THis is the choice every democrat should be proud of, and I salute Obama for tthis choice. For all of us democrats, lets support Obama -Biden, we need change. See how the republicans are so close and united, they could take advantage of our disunity. The moment is ours, the time is now. Lets fight after the elections but not now.

Posted by: wee | August 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

Oh, the polls, the polls... I can pretty much guarantee you that NO VP choice is going the move the polls very much. The Washington pundits -- the same people who were suggesting a week ago that Obama would pick Bayh -- have been the only people suggesting that a VP choice could "shake up the race." That's an asinine notion; people have historically voted based on the top of the ticket, not the VP. And this poll just confirms how asinine the pundits' notion is that the VP is a make-or-break choice. It's not. Never has been. Never will be. If anything, this poll simply shows just how wrong the pundits get it -- again.

Posted by: Better luck next time. | August 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

We could have done far worst, Bayh was on that short list, and that was a disaster of epic proportions. Joe has a son about to head for Iraq, so unlike the current administration, he has some real skin in this fight. Joe has years of experience, this is the very thing McCain has been pounding Obama on. Well now the ticket has the experience it needs to win...

I wonder what McCain things about this? Can we find out which of this 8 houses he is in and ask his housekeeper and butler to wake him.

Posted by: Mark | August 23, 2008 8:48 AM | Report abuse

For Obama's VP, he had to get someone who could push back hard at the Republican ugly/silliness during the campaign with charm and humor, as well as able to work effectively with Congress in a bipartisan way to move the Obama agenda. He's a middle class guy with broad Democratic base support, loved in Pennsylvania (a key swing state) and one of America;s most experienced hands in foreign affairs. While McCain was rattling his saber against Russia, Biden went to Georgia at Saakshvili's request. Biden's selection will also force McCain to hold his nose and select Romney, because Biden would easily destroy any of the youngsters McCain is considering.

Posted by: mtjester | August 23, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Those of you who say they will vote for McCain because Hillary wasn't chosen are simply vindictive.....or Republican.

Posted by: Tim | August 23, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

All this survey tells us is that when people are asked a question that is meaningless to them, roughly 78% of people will answer honestly saying it doesn't matter or they don't care. Roughly 23% will make up a response to skew the survey in the direction they want it to go. These surveys provide no useful information on the question they ask. They are personality tests; nothing more.

Posted by: survey critic | August 23, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Barry (Obama's real first name least we forget) scared me with his foreign policy talk - he was absolutely clueless. With his choice of Biden as VP I am more comfortable with the overall political agenda. I am a right of center Republican, but have real issues with McCain. Now I can feel more comfortable voting for Barry.

Posted by: Chili | August 23, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Far too late in 2012!? It's far too late now...it doesn't matter who is in the White House. What is Obama going to cure the nations trillion dollar debt? Come on...

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 8:50 AM | Report abuse

Plagerism, "loose cannon," "DC insider," VP to the once "refreshing candidate," another "elitest," "backtracker," "deeply disappointing:" sounds as if there's now an unfortunately good basis for losing the election.

Posted by: Tom | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama made the right VP choice. Biden does not only have a wealth of experience in foreign affairs, his position on domestic issues are also commendable. Competing against the worst administration this country has ever had, an administration that is fully supported by McCain, is a good thing for Obama and Biden. Biden will help Obama push the changes that are needed for improving the lives of the people.

Posted by: Gus Kebbie | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse


What's the real issue with Obama?

- What crazy liberal nutjob might take over if Obama gets shot?

- Now all the mildly racist people out there (about 80%) of the population can rest easy that #2 in line is an old rich white guy. Whew! Now you can pull the lever.

Posted by: brilliant: | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I really did not see this coming. Biden does not represent the change Obama has called for. I would have been happy if he had picked Tim Kaine or even Hillary Clinton, but he chooses an old white guy who has only ever been a Washington politician. How is Biden going to inspire change? I'll still vote for Obama, but I realize there isn't going to be the fundamental change that he has described.

Posted by: john | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

You guys are missing the point: Sen. Biden fills in for Sen. Obama's experience, yet is (gulp) honest and forthright (none of the typical politician's empty pap). What a team!! If the American people elect McCain to extend Bush's catastrophic reign, they will deserve what they get.

Posted by: Wren | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama sold out. Does he even talk about Iraq anymore? He sold out to AIPAC. He sold out to Israel. This is the final straw to assure all the usual money guys and power guys that he will do what they tell him to do.

Posted by: Howdy | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Biden symbolizes transformation. The view that change and Obama is "ours" is destructive, exclusion, and narrow.

Posted by: Future of Iraq | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

You salute Obama? He doesn't even salute YOUR FLAG. You people are complete idiots. No lapel pin, No salute/hand over heard/ repainted his plane with no American Flag on it. You people are BLIND!

Posted by: Pete | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I expected this from Mr. Obama. I really feel he has a long road ahead of him to win the White House. Where is his promise for "Change".
I will do something different after voting 40 years as a democrat, Change......

Posted by: Ty Stover | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM | Report abuse

NOTICE THAT BIDEN DID NOT QUIT HIS DAY JOB!
he does not believe for even one minute that lil hussein and grinning joe have a prayer.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is HOT.

Posted by: drewnet | August 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

If you truly think Biden will overturn any of the "change" that Obama wants to bring, then you don't really have any respect for Obama's intelligence and his message and you shouldn't have voted for him in the primary. Biden says some stupid things every once in a while, but he brings to the table some of the most impressive and reasoned foreign policy opinions of anyone in Washington. Have you ever listened to him speak about international affairs? I can't wait to see Biden on a stage debating, Romney/Leiberman, or whomever else McCain might decide to nominate.

Posted by: Brian | August 23, 2008 8:29 AM

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Anyone that believes the dominance of entrenched Washington interests and corporate powers (corporate greed) are going to be shaking in their boots by a message of change from an intelligent messanger must be as naive as Biden once labeled Obama.

Biden must have been pitching himself for vp when he argued during the primaries how naive and non-ready Obama was to be president. LOL

But then again, why am I not surprised ? Being only the 3rd black Senator since reconstruction was the reason anyone ever suggested BO run in the first place. Solidify blacks, win the South, and the "cool" youth vote as a bonus. Experience, hope, Harvard grad, community organizer, best selling author...couldn't have any serious character flaws, could he ? Hey, why didn't I think of that ??

It's a sordid joke that will hopefully come back to knock all involved off their preening pedestals in November.

Posted by: Elizabeth | August 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

McCain will win the White House by a significant margin now that Biden has been selected. Obama is proving to be exactly what he says he is not ... another politician. His only strength is his MTV quality which appeals to the empty headed under 35 crowd who only know technology and money and nothing else.

Posted by: Ed | August 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

No to Hillary means that I vote for mccain!
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Joe, consider this. If Senator Obama had picked Hillary, John McCain would say “Hillary herself said that she and I were qualified to be President. All Obama had was a speech.” That would have been devastating to the Dems. I hope you will reconsider your vote.

Posted by: lhummer | August 23, 2008 8:52 AM | Report abuse

How could anyone say Biden is an Elitist? He makes less than Obama does! The real elitists are McCain and Romeny, combined they have probably 15-20 houses all paid off!


Hopefully these Hillary supports get off of their high horse and think logically for the next 70-80 days.

Posted by: mcfail | August 23, 2008 8:53 AM | Report abuse

to frank. look where we are. yes it matters

this is the best democratic ticket i've seen in my lifetime and i go back to kennedy. vision and experience. what a team.

for all those still pining for hillary, if she ran the country the way she ran her campaign, god help us. read the atlantic this month. hillary lost, obama won. get on board already! we have a future to shape. geeze....

Posted by: theresa | August 23, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Joe writes: "But most of all, he is another (elitist) Senator, despite his supposedly working class background..."

Uh. What?

Biden is the 99th wealthiest senator out of 100 senators. John McCain doesn't even know how many houses he has. And you think Biden is an "elitist" rich guy but McCain is not? John McCain, who has 8 houses, over 100 million bucks, is the "working class" candidate? You are being very silly.

Posted by: foritsu | August 23, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree with "survey critic" above. These so called statistics are about as believable as all these republicans posting "oh, I'm not voting for Obama because of this". You never were voting for Obama. Republicans are liars. They love spin and politics more than they love our country.

Posted by: Paul | August 23, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Bush picked Cheney, now he runs things,
Obama made the same mistake.

Posted by: don mittan | August 23, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Here at Protestants for Peace, we feel very let down. We had been hoping for a more ecumenical choice, especially our favorite, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA).

Posted by: Rev. E. Raleigh Pimperton III | August 23, 2008 8:34 AM
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You are either a liar or an idiot. Or maybe both. Frank is an Anti-Christ homo.
Biden is another israel first traitor that will cost Obama the election.

Posted by: DWayne | August 23, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

okay so you have (where's my house's dude) McCain worth around 100 million, who more than likely will pick (My four sons serve their country by working my campaign) Mitt Romney net worth 202 million. Who both support Bush's tax cuts for the rich and asking the support of people who make less than 30 thousand a year. So bottom line is do you vote and support the rich guys who have no clue what most Americans have to do to live day to day. If you do, then what the hell is wrong with you?

Posted by: wolf | August 23, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I'm no fan of the Clintons, but there were two giants running on the Democrat side - Obama and Clinton. By not picking the woman who nearly beat him, Obama may have just handed this election to the Republicans.

Posted by: Gary7 | August 23, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Well it's about time we have some good news out of Washington. McCain must have a little brown spot on the back of his pants about now. Biden didn't have to commit adultry and leave his disabled wife to get where he is.

Posted by: Mac | August 23, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

The Obama-Biden team reminds me of Bush-Cheney. Young inexperienced guy being guided by old guy!! We've had eight years of on the job training, let's get someone who knows how to lead. Big mistake not to even act as if you vetted Senator Clinton, big mistake!!

Posted by: kt | August 23, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Obama should have chosen Hillary if he really wanted "change". Not choosing Hillary shows that his ego is his first choice. There will be no change with Obama/Biden -
rose

Posted by: rose | August 23, 2008 8:55 AM | Report abuse

I love the Biden pick! We now have a typical white guy to with Mr Clean and Articulate. The press will have a field day picking apart Biden's gaffs. A McCain sweep is a growing possibility. If only we could get some video of Obama riding around in a tank...

Posted by: RedChicago | August 23, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I was really hoping he'd pick Jim Webb.

Posted by: Sarah | August 23, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I would like Matt to go back and really look at Mr. Obama's voting record for the past 14 months that he has been elected to the Senate. I think he will find that Mr. Obama voted along with Mr. Bush more than Mr. Mc Cain did. If you really think Mr. Obama is gong to bring change to Washington, I have a few bridges you can buy cheap. Get your head out of you a++ and start breathing real air so you can clear your head up and think for yourself instead of being told what to think.

Posted by: Pat | August 23, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I'd put money on it that WP won't have a poll on the republican vp within minutes after he/ she his announced. Any takers?

Posted by: zzpat | August 23, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

Well, I guess the Lush Rambo far-right nutwing contingent is still well-represented on the blogs, pretending to be offended Hillary supporters. Don't buy it!

A vote for McCain is a vote for those who would bring back the draft, ban the teaching of evolution, reintroduce segregation, and claim to be reducing your taxes while actually raising them to pay for corporate welfare.

Oh, yeah, not to mention being willing to risk nuclear war because of seeing the military as the solution to everything. Hell, I wouldn't be surprised to see martial law on US soil for lack of another approach to domestic policy.

Posted by: stan | August 23, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

I reverse my previous decision of not voting. I will go for McCain. Troops are coming home in 2 yrs. Dying economy needs a smart hands.
I do not trust Obama, who has nothing but ambition to add to his resume and omnipresent in all decision making projects.
He is a talented public speaker,who chews and mulls over every word and plays chess with politics. I wish him all the well for a lucrative motivational speaker career.

Posted by: AK | August 23, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

I think a lot of us are getting Rove/Schmit Fatigue in their quest to sell the America Voters a 3rd Bush term with the same old attack ads of the last 8 years.

You get the sense that Biden can deal with the Republican Attack machine. This time around he will think before he speaks. He knows whats at stake. Look for a new improved Biden. Say no to a McCain/Bush/Cheney third term.


"This country will not be a good place for any of us to live in unless we make it a good place for all of us to live in." -- Theodore Roosevelt

Vote Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Cooday | August 23, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Change!
Change of mind, Change of policy, Change of everything he has set fourth to this date.
I'll vote for Bush again because that what Obama is. A liar just like Bush and Cheney.
At least Bush believed in his lies. Obama changes like the wind. I bet if could be white, he would change to that so he could blame his lies on that. Mr. Joe who shoots from the hip is just another political hack like the current liars on the hill. Maybe what really is happening is no change at all. Well of course the man is black, that's a real change. Joe said he would not not run, accept or consider a VP nod, more change there and of course painting the white house black has been suggested by some rapper gangster. Change we could believe in. Bring back Bush, we don't need more lies!!! WE already have them.

Posted by: Dennis | August 23, 2008 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Picking the Wahington Insider is just the "change" I was looking for. Wow, what vision!!

Posted by: Doc | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Where are the dead when you need them? All these candidates are pathetic - we will all pay for not listening to Ron Paul.

Posted by: Richard | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

This democrat just became a republican!! the beginner and the hothead!! They will need to keep Biden silent....good luck!!

Posted by: charlieb | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Dear Joe: Don't you have a red-tie GOP convention to go to? Better get dressed.

Ron: Because McCain is Bush on methamphetamine. "Maverick" my @$$. To pretend that this is just another year of Damn#d Both Ways is naive in the extreme. This year's presidential race represents two very different visions for the country that will make an atom-bomb sized impact the 20 years of American politics. It will impact our children's schools. It will impact the status of the middle class. It will mean the difference between an American Republic and an American Empire. It will impact Wall St. It will impact Main St. It will, quite rudely spin every American around and play with their wallet or purse. What you eat and where you eat it will, for many Americans, be determined by this election. Where you can and can't drive will, for many Americans, be determined by this election.

I'm so sick of those fence-sitting, "isn't it so cool not to care" jaded "ain't I world weary" types who act like they'd rather watch Seinfeld than take an interest in their own future. It was a relatively cool stance to take in the 80s and 90s, but these days it just makes me want to slap them with their own complaints about the price of gas. The GOP McCainiacs are, by contrast, a rather amiable lot of fellows to have for political opponents: At least they pick a side!

Posted by: David K. | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Why all Russian federation for Obama???

Posted by: Igor | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Obama bin Biden... Sounds interesting is it not? :)

Posted by: Ban | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Hey Paul, I'm an independent that has donated to Obama 7 times. I will NOT vote for Biden. He is a far leftist and a servant of israel not America.
My vote will now go to Bob Barr.

Posted by: DWayne | August 23, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

Great choice Obama! Now we have a bunch of hot air saying nothing supported by diarrhea of the mouth.

Posted by: Paul | August 23, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

I think the Biden choice is a good pick overall, but it may not be enough to put Obama over the edge. His campaign has faltered over the past few weeks as people have come to recognize that there is not much substance behind the beautiful rhetoric. His answer on abortion -- "Above my paygrade" -- sounded so flip for someone who is particularly inexperienced. Obama's advisors have worshipped blindly when they should have been challenging him and pushing him. Hopefully Biden will have the courage to stand up to his boss.

I'm no fan of McCain, but there are a lot of Republicans in this country and even a small number of dissatisfied democrats could make the election very, very close.

Posted by: VA Democrat | August 23, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

i am absolutely giddy Obama picked Biden. Talk about cementing your future. After Reid of Nevada or Pelosi, he could not have ensured his own loss any better.

I was a little concerned that the kool-aid drinkers and the endless money would have given Obama a chance, now reality is only months away as once again Move-On and the DNC show what utter idiots they are.

Posted by: laughing at the dems | August 23, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Biden committed plagiarism in law school, not something I overlook. In addition, I heard Anthony Cordsman say a year ago or so that his plan to partition Iraq was totally irresponsible.

Posted by: MereMortal | August 23, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I want to hear the same critisisms when mccain picks his running mate. And if it happens to be romney or lieberman, we the TRUE democrats will have a field day.

romney and mccain can't stand each other and Biden's critiques of OBAMA were tame compard to romney's of mccain.

As for lieberman, well he has become a parody of himself and the repub revote if he is selected will be timely enough.

That said, bring it on. OBAMA WILL BE the next president of the United States, pumas or no pumas.

Posted by: roxlaw | August 23, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't vote for Obama if he chose Mickey Mouse as his VP.

Posted by: G Bryant | August 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a smart, thought out pick. If I were in the inner circle strategy group of McCain today, I would be worried. This guy is LOVED by Republicans and Democrats. He is a politician's politician who reaches across the aisle and is not into the polarization that has prevented Washington from moving forward.
Obama... you made an excellent choice. I am particularly proud because Biden is from my hometown of Scranton, PA... the Electric City. I imagine the media circus will begin there this weekend.

Posted by: Jim | August 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

If you were a Hillary supporter and you now support John McCain then you were NEVER a Hillary supporter nor an honest Democrat. What you amount to is an emancipated woman who acts childish and scorned. Step back and think about it. REALLY think about it. ANY choice of candidate(s), either presidential or veep who can ouster the present regime is my dream team. Don't be hypocrites "ladies".

Posted by: BD in Miami | August 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Agewise, by Obama. He need his "Dad"-Biden to hit McCain, again. Genderwise it is a flop. But at the end of the day, do anyone really care.

Posted by: Ture Sjolander Australia | August 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

How are they going to handle Biden's plagiarism issue? That pretty much derailed his first presidential campaign years ago. Will it be dismissed as just "old news" or will be considered a window into Biden's character?

I don't know either way.

Posted by: Nonpartisan Question | August 23, 2008 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Well, I was going to vote for Obama, my heart was set for change, but after REALLY reading for a week all over the internet. He is nothing more than a politician with no experience My vote is now for McCain.

Posted by: Cindy | August 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

BIDEN IS A GOOD COMPLIMENT TO THE TICKET

This is a good choice for Obama's running mate. Senator Biden is a leader with foreign policy credentials, as well as an experienced voice against terrorism, drug policy, and crime. Like Hillary, Senator Biden has earned a reputation for working on a bipartisan basis which will break the log jam in Washington.

Posted by: Paul Gilbert | August 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama will get spanked in November.

Just like 2004, all the talking heads will be dumbfounded asking why so many Americans "voted against their own self interest".

The majority of Americans who work for a living to raise their families understand it's not about how much candy a politician promises to give you.

Posted by: WaitForNovember | August 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Where's the Change oh Great One? Biden...huh? This Obama guy is so full of it. I have always voted Democrat, live in Delaware, like Joe Biden but cannot take this Obama-mania; keep the change Barack! I'll vote for Joe in 8 years. This time I'm behind McCain.

Posted by: Jamie in Delaware | August 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

I like Joseph Biden. I'll definitely for Obama. Before the VP selection, I wasn't sure. Now their team can't be any better.

Posted by: ricecake | August 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Renu1 Wrote:

"McCain joked: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father is Janet Reno."

This is just another Democratic Urban Legend.
This supposedly happened at a 1998 fundraiser and McCain supposedly appoligized to the Clintons as the story is told. If this was true, then why did Hillary and McCain become such "Good Friends" in the early 00's before the election? Sounds hard to believe.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Joe can help Obama with his speeches. Opps, sorry, I forgot Joe has trouble writing his own speeches!

Posted by: William M. Lonergan | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

I think that Senator Obama's choice and his reason for it perfectly represent what we need in the White House. He chose someone who *doesn't* agree with him on everything so that he can see a different point of view and they can have meaningful debates on issues with more than one side represented. If you want change, there it is. That's not something we've seen in the White House in awhile.

Posted by: McCain is a panderer | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Get to know Biden first. Get to know his views on Iraq. Get to know him as a outsider and loner is this regard.

Posted by: The Future of Iraq | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Seems like it's all designed to induce us into apathy...blind, screaming apathy. Maybe that's not apathy, maybe it's depression.

Posted by: pye | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

142 days experience hmmmmmmm lets see--take a first grader and let him be the CEO of my company--Yea that will work!Remember people we were attacked on our soil and they are watching!

Posted by: Mike | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: fred | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

What is with these poorly worded questions?
"would that make you more likely to vote for Obama, less likely, or wouldn't it make any difference in your vote?"

Is this correct English? It reminds me of the Fl ballots... does no one test these things before administering them to thousands to people?

Posted by: jamy | August 23, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

It seems losing an election is more important to the "democrats" (small "d" emphasis) than winning and stopping the McCain plutocrats. So, to some Biden isn't perfect. Right. And you're going to support McCain instead? Or not vote for Obama? Either you're with the plutocrats or you're against them, to parphrase George W. I'm not with the plutocrats

Posted by: StanMarsh | August 23, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I find it funny people think Biden says silly things after 8 years of Bush, who pretty much says nothing that isn't silly. 99% of what Biden says is coherent and he often provides highly intelligent analyses of things. I never vote for the VP so his selection doesn't change anything. After 30 years of the GOP doing nothing but empowering the rich I wouldn't vote for a Republican even if the Dems ran Satan as their candidate. Luckily I really like Obama. A lot. I do think Biden is a solid pick. He is well qualified to be president (more qualified than McCain) if something were to happen to Obama. He has as much foreign policy experience as just about anyone in the Senate. And he is deeply respected and liked by both Democrats and Republicans in Washington. I can live with this pick.

Posted by: Robert | August 23, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I find it hilarious that the Changemeister opted to mimic the Bush-Cheney pairing -- with precisely the same rationale.

Posted by: j.a.m. | August 23, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

Would have taken a risk to pick Bill Richardson, hence a black and Hispanic ticket. But I think he would have been best: his foreign experience, and given polls in NM, NV, and CO. Biden brings no one new on board. Biden is very old news.

Posted by: chris the astronomer | August 23, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

I agree with the first comment by Shaun. Biden is the one who wastes Senate time focusing on idiot issues like steroids in Baseball for weeks on end. I remember him doing the same thing way back in Judge Bork days. The only bright side to the decision is Biden will no longer be actively leading the Senate down the road to hell. Biden is an attention-grubbing partisan politician. He's the worst choice. My vote is no longer solid on Obama's side.

Posted by: Daddy Dave | August 23, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

To Boxie, who called Biden and Obama two of the most liberal senators, and fears the US becoming a socialist republic:

I think that there is a guy who feels like you do living in a cave in Arizona, disseminating video rants about bombing and the like. Maybe you would like to join him.

Posted by: Geronimo Kozinski | August 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

You all are really mean to each other. I recommend that you read a book (e.g. "How To Win Friends and Influence People") or take up some other hobby that does not involve ill-willed thoughts towards other people (e.g. bird watching).

Posted by: Stephen | August 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama must have had a very hard time at this. All the candidates for VP had more experience then him(who doesn't). His choice of Biden means that his message of "Change" and "Hope" is taking a back seat to party politics. He should have stuck with his guns. Where once there was "Hope" is now inexperience, negative advertising, and Washington insider politics as usual. I am a democrat and this guy blew it big time. He must have had too much sun on his head in Hawaii. I will vote McCain.

Posted by: Charly | August 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden was the best choice. He is a perfect VP, regardless of his credentials as a VP "candidate". When Obama takes office, he has a smart, focused and experienced Yoda to help him. His relationships in Washington will be an asset if Obama's rhetoric is to ever go from an abstract (hope) to a reality (law) as Joe can liaison with almost any existing faction. Biden's unusual (by Washington standards) lack of ego will be a refreshing change as well. Not to mention, he will actual give a crap about his duties on the Hill.

This choice cements my decision to vote for Obama.

Posted by: Matthew | August 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is a smart choice by Obama.
This indicates Obama is not only level headed and intelligent, but, wise too. Unlike the GOP candidate, Obama has worked hard to earn his wealth, he is highly educated, his IQ is high, he has good judgement, he is a consensus builder, he is a good manager and knows how to utilize his staff's experience and knowledge to serve the best interest of the people of USA. I hope people think wisely and don't vote blindly for the GOP candidate.

Posted by: Joseph | August 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Obama's only argument against Clinton was that she is a washington insider who voted for the war.Leftwing kept slandering her on these two points.Now that Obama is looking weak,slumping in poll numbers,glaring contrast(lack of experience) between him and McCain become so apparent when it comes to forein policy,he had to resort to some one like Biden who voted for the war and has been in washington much longer than Hillary.That for sure is a CHANGE we can all believe in!

Posted by: SS | August 23, 2008 9:05 AM | Report abuse

Great choice Obama! Now we have a bunch of hot air saying nothing supported by diarrhea of the mouth.

Posted by: Paul | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Shaun,

Do you really think Biden would NOT be a change from Bush/Cheney? Come on!

Biden may be an insider, but that is the point - it takes insider knowledge to change D.C. Coming in as a complete outsider like Carter would be a disaster. And don't forget that it took Bill Clinton almost 3-1/2 years to learn how things work here--Biden will shorten that learning curve by a lot.

Plus, he can really hammer McCain as an elitst only posing as an Average Joe.

Posted by: LooseFur | August 23, 2008 8:32 AM

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Of course, except that's the complete opposite of Obama's message of change in Washington.

Sounds pretty doesn't it? Just what you wanted to hear right?

"Washington is broken", "Change we can believe in"

Obama gets another pass in the face of politics as usual while using the Democratic voter base like cheap wh*%es.

You all should feel ashamed and violated.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

In Biden, Obama picked a nominee for VP capable of being President of the US.

I wish the Democratic Party had done the same with picking its nominee for President.

Posted by: Beiruti | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

The text messages started going out at approximately 3AM Eastern time this morning. The Obama campaign had announced yesterday that the text messages would begin at 10 AM. Hillary was right! Barrack does screw up the phone call at 3 AM. Can you imagine the surprise when those things started beeping in the middle of the night.
Well Senators, nothing like painting yourself in a corner. For all of your secrecy you weren't able to avoid screwing it up. Another reflection of poor planning based on even poorer judgment.

Posted by: GeraldD | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Who cares who he picks? He's gonna lose.

Posted by: Eddie Brown | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHA, Look, the fact of the matter is, Obama is a great speaker, and obviously a great sales man. But he is in no way going to CHANGE anything in DC. Obama supporters are fools to the highest level. And if he wins, it will reflect on us all.
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Pete, how do you know he won’t change anything? I’d like to hear more about your magical power to see into the future.

Posted by: lhummer | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden is a great pick, because he does have impressive experience, even if I don't agree with his position all the time. He's going to give Obama a seasoned look. And let's face it, he's a lot more coherent than McCain, even if he is the same age.

The interesting thing about the first attack commercial against Biden is that it shows him saying something not very complimentary to Obama, and Obama is dispassionate enough to take the insult, but still choose Biden as his V.P.

If only the Hillary supporters could have Obama's savvy. You don't throw the baby out with the bath water guys. Your candidate didn't win, so you are going to vote for someone who despises women, based on his history, and who will put the final nail in women's ability to choose. My guess is that if you were still of child-bearing age, that would not be the case.

Posted by: Sandy | August 23, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm amazed and astonished at how many Republican posters are online this morning in an attempt to distract and alarm sincere Obama supporters. Don't fall for it, troups! Biden is by far the best choice and they know it. YES, WE CAN.

Posted by: wren | August 23, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Biden! well looks like I'll be voting Republican this year.

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

McCain and Romney - two more republican fat cats who will protect the wallets of the wealthy, at all cost. That's the essence of the Bush/Cheney dues ex machina - and you'll get it again by not voting for Obama. Oh - and the goody bag will include more crazed reactionists on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Laurie F. | August 23, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

can anyone show me proof of obama's "intelligence". everyone keeps saying that. but when i hear hi stumble and stammer, and then restate the question, and the posisble choices, the possible choices that we all already know, i dopnt see it. please help me here. why do they all keep saying he's intelligent? isn't that the minimum requirement? aren't all of them? saying thats his qualification is kinda a little condenscending aint it? "oh look at the black guy, he's can talk and he's sooo smart". funny those dems. they are racist and cant even see it. good luck guys. 56/44 in november. when you lose, with all the $$ advantage, all the media bias, and you lose, would you all promise to just disband? whats the point ya know? mccain needs to pick a chick. first female pres = repub, 2012.

Posted by: fred | August 23, 2008 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Obama needed a solid, more experienced VP choice. Many of the people (those who don't keep abreast of politics) will go with name recognition and Biden has that. There are no perfect politicians.
I'm concerned about who may be appointed to the Supreme Court. Do we want the Right Wing to take that over and lose more rights?

Posted by: Judy | August 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Will the Republican plutocrats stop saying they are "Democrats" on this message board? Nobody in their correct (not "right") mind would vote for McCain and his plutocratic way of thinking. Obama made the sensible pick with Biden.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

What you naive americans don't understand is that all of this is irrelevant,dosent matter who wins the presidential election or who the running mate,policies will be decided by the real people in charge,people who are closely associated with the likes of bush-cheney and on again to the rothschilds and rockefeller, this is all a lie.What you people fail to recognise is you never really achieved independence,you are and always will be controlled by the british crown.

Posted by: The truth | August 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Biden is an old fart.

McCain is an old fart too.

Where is the change?

The youth vote is even more dissapointed.

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Millions of Democrats are voting for McCain and against Obama.


Posted by: grace | August 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Lyn said, "I really like and admire Joe Biden. He'll make an admirable president when Obama is rapidly impeached for incompetence."

If we didn't impeach the moron currently sitting in the White House, I don't think anyone will ever again be impeached.

Posted by: Gary | August 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Have voted Democratic for over 20 years. Voted Republican for 20 years before that. I am an Independent. Seems to be time to switch back.

Democrats have had 2 years to make a difference but have done nothing. Used to be Republican was a 4-letter word in disguise, but now Democrat should be an embarrassment as well. Who would WANT to be a REAL Democrat? Whatever that is. Some of you sound like you think it means falling into line like sheep or cattle no matter what -- vote Democratic right or wrong.

Both parties suck. As usual, it has come down to whom does one think is the lesser of two evils.

McCain is not nearly so McSame as Biden. It would seem that this year it really doesn't matter who wins. There's not 2 cents of difference between them that matters.

Obama changed his song the minute he became the nominee but lots of people still have not regained their faculties sufficiently to have noticed.

Obama says and does exactly what he is told, and until he is told, has nothing to say. Often he refuses to answer questions because no one has yet told him what he should say. McCain, even at his great age, can think on his feet. Obama can't think no matter what he's doing.

Obama has said he'll send a billion of our dollars over to Georgia. This country is in a shambles. When will our tax dollars be used to rebuild our own infrastructure and help our own people?

Posted by: Clark | August 23, 2008 9:10 AM | Report abuse

Exactly the pick I would expect in appeasement to the Clintons. If she was not going to be the veep pick, it was going to be someone who would not seek the White House in eight years.

The younger choices would have become the next presumptive dem nominee had they been picked instead. The Clintons will have none of that.

Posted by: mk | August 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Republicans wren?Wrong.I have voted for democrats all my life.But "today we are all republicans"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Anyone who doesn't vote for Obama just because Hillary is not on the ticket is a simple idiot.

It would be the ultimate in "cutting off your nose to spite your face"! Don't be fools -- this country isn't about individual candidates, it's about the parties. DO YOU REALLY WANT THE GOP TO STAY IN CONTROL?????

Posted by: Tim | August 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Obama Binden 08

peanut butter and jelly

Posted by: Edjoodelky | August 23, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

As an early Hillary supporter, I find it mind-boggling that some "feminists" are now taking their votes to the McCain camp. Not only is that counterproductive to feminist issues, it is detrimental to any movement that pushes for equality of rights. I have an eight month old daughter and would have loved to see a woman president, but it's not going to happen! Biden is the best choice to complement Obama. Moreover, don't be fooled: all politicians are "elitist." At least Obama and Biden can ADMIT that they are just that.

Posted by: Juan | August 23, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

There is hope for this county yet. Finally, two intellectuals on the same ticket. This country has been dumbed down for almost eight years. Maybe, we'll get some educational improvements out this deal. I'm tird of the US being perceived as dumb cowboys. Have you ever seen Biden debate on the Senate floor? He's blunt and bold and I like it! No more dancing around the issues or warping the facts. Just the straight poop. He, like Obama is proffesor of Constitional law and will fight feverishly to protect our rights. Obama is an intellectual and Biden smart and EXTREMELY experienced. This is a perfectly balanced ticket and history is being made right now. Call them both elitists if you like, as long as you call them "intellectually elite". I'm a huge fan. The youngsters, if given the opportunity to hear them both speak will be inspired. I liked Hil, but she couldn't inspire anyone.

Posted by: tls | August 23, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a fine person. His wife had taught at one of the schools I taught in. This was before she married him. She was a nice, beautiful blonde teacher, in conservative clothes, teaching a bunch of brats in a Catholic High School. She quit that job, got a job in a nice, expensive restaurant, and there, she met the very single, (widowed), Joe Biden, and they have been married ever since. Jill had looks and brains. I guess she is a PhD and teaches Special Ed now. They are a nice couple but I grew up in Delaware and I am just not swayed one way or the other. I would be fine with Biden but with his experience, he should be at the TOP of the ticket. Obama is not getting my vote.

Posted by: misa | August 23, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Rev. E. Raleigh Pimperton III said,

"We had been hoping for a more ecumenical choice, especially our favorite, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)."

Reverend, you may not be aware of Barney Frank's favorite sign on Cape Cod:

Entering Dennis

Posted by: John Winston Pillsbury IV | August 23, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

WOW, OBAMA must have hit a nerve as the rebub trolls are out in force; and so early in the morning too.

Vote for mccain if you choose but if you do you are not now, nor have you ever been a Democrat.

mccain/bush is going to finish off destroying the middle class, ensuring that woman loose their right to privacy (which is what Roe is really about)eliminating what few civil liberties we still have, and instituting the draft so that they can fight more wars to accumulate more wealth.

So trolls, you fool noone by reposting the same old BS to make it look like there is more dissent then there is. You are liars and have NO INTEGRITY.

Lastly, if mccain is so great, why didn't you vote for him when he ran against gwb,2?

Posted by: roxlaw | August 23, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

To all the People that say that they will not vote for Obama I can only say this. Can you afford 4 years more of the same. McCaine is an old rich person that is only going for president because of his ego.He doesnt care about you and me . He lives on his wife's millions he has nothing to worry about mortgages and college tuitions food and gas expenses and all the promises he is talking about are nothing but hot air. He even sounds almost senile at times with his gaffes. Do we need him specially if he gets Lieberman on board. The White House might as well turn into a nursing home in a few years.....Viva Obama and Biden.

Posted by: TV Miami | August 23, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

"Millions of Democrats will vote McCain" illustrates the low-information voters that we have going to the polls. Hillary Clinton got votes because she was married to a famous name and was a woman. Oh, what great reasons to vote for her. Correctly states, "millions of (Fake) Democrats who (mistakenly) support plutocrats will vote for McCain."

Posted by: StanMarsh | August 23, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Bucket of warm spit, anyone?

Posted by: David Lucas | August 23, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

THIS IS TO ALL THE PEOPLE WHO WANT CHANGE. YOU BETTER BE CAREFUL WHAT YOU WISH FOR YOU MIGHT GET IT. IT HAS BEEN MY EXPERIENCE 90% OF WHAT WE WISH FOR IN LIFE IT EITHER ILLEGAL IMMORAL OR FATTENING. YOU LOOK TO SOMEONE ELSE TO MAKE YOUR LIFE BETTER. YOU MY FRIEND ARE THE ONE TO MAKE THESE CHANGES YOU WANT. WE ARE LIKE CHILDREN THAT HATE THEIR FATHER FOR MAKING THEM EAT THEIR VEGGIES. GIVE ME A GOOD CONSERVATIVE ANY DAY OVER A LIBERAL THAT THINKS HE OR SHE KNOWS HOW TO LIVE MY. STAY OUT OF MY WAY AND LET ME LIVE MY LIFE.

Posted by: JOB | August 23, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

I would just like to commment that his choice hasn't changed my mind even though I know little about Mr Biden.I personally wanted to see Hillary as his running mate or perhaps Al Gore if of course he is still interested.It dosen't matter either way I'm still voting democrat. Democrats need to give this team a chance to show America what it can do. How could it get any worse!

Posted by: the bomb | August 23, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

The only time I've ever seen Biden is on T.V. Like most of the people responding to this article. What I have witnessed is someone whether right or wrong smashing the other side for media attention. He is destructive and a typical east coast libral. NO TO JOE KERRY! Wait a minute. John Kerry isn't half as bad a Biden.

Posted by: Kephas | August 23, 2008 9:14 AM | Report abuse

At age 75 I find it interesting that those to the left think they vote for freedom. The less fortunate have voted for Democrats as long as I can remember and they remain the less fortunate. McCain has overcome many personal adversities, given aid to those in need, providing for those less fortunate out of his own pocket. What has Obama done? Whine...just like democrats have done for years. I own my own business through hard work and Democrats would tax it away and think they could run it better from Washington. Then the less fortunate would not have a job. Think about it. I sit on the board of a large charity. Do you think we get support from left thinkers, NOT. If it were not for right thinkers we could not exist to feed the poor and put a roof over their heads. And, the government makes it hard to do that at times. Learn to give a hand up and not a hand out to those around you. Give a man a fish and he eats for one day, teach him to fish and he eats for a lifetime.

Posted by: Alice | August 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Well now that the rethug trolls have voiced their desperate and scared frightened opinions, let's congratulate Sen. Obama on a smart choice. Biden is definitely experienced (more so thant McWar, even though he's older than Biden by almost a decade), Biden is smart and savy and an excellent debater who will tear holes in McBush's vp choice whoever he may be, and Biden's way past shortcomings that the rethugs are aleady scrambling to point out (do I smell fear? yes, and it stinks) are nothing to what can and will be pointed out about McLiar and his considered choices. So then rethug trolls, enjoy yourselves this morning as you pose as HRC supporters.

Posted by: Maggie | August 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

LOL

And PS: Do any of the Republicans pretending to Democrats realize how transparent and silly they sound? "I was going to vote for Obama...but now..."

Riiiiiiiight.

Maybe it's because you fine folks are so easy to lie to, so eager to believe the latest Bush/Cheney bullsh*t (Did you hear? The Chinese are DRILLING FOR OIL OFF CUBA!!!) that you think everyone else is so dim.

It's highly unlikely this selection will sway much of anyone in either direction. If you were for Obama, you still are. If you were voting for McCain, you're an idiot, but this is America, and you have that right.

Posted by: Matthew | August 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

FOX News and the other corporate media are already running the McCain anti-Obama through Biden ad for free as "news." Doing their best to overturn the working class's final hope, that's the corporate news media at work.

Posted by: The Baloney Republic | August 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a very good choice, he had many of the best comments and answers in the primaries. Obama and Biden will be a big change! But American politics only can take so much "change." Ron Paul will not be elected. Those who say Biden shows Obama is no longer for change are looking for something more than American politics can deliver in 2008.

Posted by: Paul | August 23, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

Biden? What is Obama thinking? Let's compare Biden to McCain. Biden has been in Congress far longer then McCain. Biden is only six years younger than McCain. As for health, McCain suffers from injuries inflicted from being a POW for five years and Biden suffers from brain aneurysm of the nature that just killed Rep. Tubbs like a bolt from the blue. As for verbal gaffs, McCain has nothing on Biden. Bidens gaffs are legendary. Add to this Biden's past praise for McCain and criticism for Obama and you have a ready made GOP ad goldmine.

Now let's go to the real blunder of this pick. Obama has just punched, not slapped, but punched, Hillary and her 18 million voters square in the face. What was the main reason for Obama not picking her? In PC terms it would be because she didn't fit into his "Change" mantra. Now we all know the real reason. He can't stand her or Bill. Well now he goes and picks someone that has been in the Senate FOR THIRTY-SIX YEARS! So much for that "Change" reason for not picking Hillary for VP. Obama has made a blunder of epic proportions by picking Biden over Hillary. McCain may not win in November but his odds just got a heck of a lot better.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

America - A country without convictions. Listen to yourselves. You don't know what you don't want, much less what you do want. If you did, this contest wouldn't even be close. If the last eight years haven't taught you anything, you deserve what you get.

Posted by: Marcus | August 23, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

It is a Republican victory in November! I am so grateful this morning that Hussein picked Biden! No "Barack & Joe Show" for four years which means we may still have a chance to save this Republic.

Vote McCain & (?) in November. Whomever McCain chooses, it will be better than this clown, "Joe"!

Posted by: L. Mead | August 23, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden for the White House. Yes, I am a big Hillary fan.

Posted by: Robert | August 23, 2008 9:17 AM | Report abuse

Truly amazing to me that people think the choice of Biden WILL NOT make a difference. Even if you don't support Obama, if you are honest you have to admit that his has been one of the most intelligent and effectively run campaigns in modern history. Do you really think he would NOT have well-considered plans for his partnership with Biden?
Also amazing that people can't (or, perhaps, don't want to) see how logical it is for a person who wants to drive a change agenda to have at his side a person that CLEARLY UNDERSTANDS the system that needs the change. Remember Jimmy Carter? I can't think of a public persona that I have more respect for...but who was completely ineffective because he tried to change the system without really understanding it, or having advisors that understood it.
Finally, I am SO TIRED of people who say they will support McCain Hillary didn't win. What are you thinking? The next president will likely choose at least one, and possibly three Supreme Court justices. The next president will have to repair our relationships with the world,so effectively damaged by Bush and his neo-con buddies. The next president will have to guide the United States into a more favorable economic position is an ever-more global economy, and I use that term in the REAL sense, not just rhetorical. The next president will have to address health care and Social Security and the growing diversity of the US population. Do you REALLY want to hand that kind to scenario to John McCain for FIVE MINUTES, let alone four years?
What planet are you folks on?

Posted by: FR | August 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

In reply to B.Elder.....in answer to your question regarding where will we be if "they" (Obama/Biden)win...We already know where we will be if they DON'T win, after all we have been living with that nightmare for the last 8 years!

Posted by: Diana | August 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Plutocrats on one side and Republicans for Hillary doing their bidding on the other side. Incredible. Hey, Bill, how much fun is it sitting with McCain in the plutocrat section of the country?

Posted by: Fed UP | August 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

HAHAHA, Look, the fact of the matter is, Obama is a great speaker, and obviously a great sales man. But he is in no way going to CHANGE anything in DC. Obama supporters are fools to the highest level. And if he wins, it will reflect on us all.

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And when McCain gets elected he'll finish off what Bush started. When McCain picks his VP we can all listen to the press tell us how high McCain's poll numbers just went. The BS is really flying now. The desperation is sinking in. Every time McCain screws up his poll numbers go up. The rich criminals are in a panic. Hurry Hurry post some more lies about Obama so we can win. Do another poll in the company parking lot so we can write about how good McCain's doing.


Posted by: HemiHead | August 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

It's all about chemistry and they look good together. It doesn't really matter at this point. DEMOCRATS will take the WHITE HOUSE in 2008!

Posted by: RON | August 23, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I love all the McCain posts and their "disappointment" with Biden. Just wait a week and watch how the Senator disembowels your boy's "maverick" facade (ole school style; anyone remember Bob Dole in 1976?). Moreover, Biden is about the best union man we've had on the national ticket in a generation. If he talks about nothing BUT the Republicans' history of economic elitism it will mean a sweep of the mid atlantic and new england states.

For Hilary supporters, I feel your pain. I personally would have preferred her on the ticket. But it is clearly your "right to choose" in November. If you value what she and her husband have supported over the years, and understand in American politics NO ONE gets the perfect candidate, then it seems like a simple choice to me.

All I'm focusing on is canvassing and getting out the vote in my little corner of Texas. You all can act out your fantasies of guest hosting Hardball, but we (and about a million other local nobodies) are going to take this country back from the fools who have been running it for the past eight years.

One last thing: how 'bout them Cowboys?

Posted by: Bubba Tex | August 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The Obama/Biden ticket is an awesome one. The father and son combination is incredible. This ticket represents the younger generation taking the leadership role in our country and the older generation standing by their side giving guidance and reassurance. This is change. I hope this ticket helps put to rest all the talk about generation divide. The young and old do need each other. I believe this ticket is best for out country. Congratulations to Senator Biden.

Posted by: Lisa Hampton | August 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

poor Hillary !
i want her so much to be on the V.P ticket i cried this morning...
i am not sure if i could vote Obama
i will not vote for another Bush 3rd terms, i lose so much on Bush era.
i lost my house
I lost my job

Now i am really losing hope

Posted by: Christine | August 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I was not liking this pick because Biden is a little too cozy with the Washington media, like McCain. But then I realized he will be just as old as McCain when 8 years rolls around and will look every minute of it. This is an inspired choice.

Posted by: Crempole Stalwart | August 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

The Obama/Biden ticket reminds me of Kennedy/Johnson. Kennedy with the agenda and Johnson pushing Kennedy's agenda's through congress. Biden might not help Obama win the election, but if Obama does win Biden will be of great value. In these times, you have to admire a politician who speaks his mind even if it does get him in trouble.

Posted by: Don Walker | August 23, 2008 9:19 AM | Report abuse

Beware the Mc10house trolls here pretending masquerading as "former Democrats" and Hillary supporters. Its fun to see you McDementia supporters going crazy. Keep up the vitriol suckers.

Posted by: hayden1 | August 23, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

fred,

You try getting into Harvard Law School, becoming editor of the Law Review and graduating with distinction.

AND when you have accomplished those rather lofty goals, you will better understand just how INTELLIGENT OBAMA really is.

Posted by: roxlaw | August 23, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Disgruntled Hillary voters: Give it up.

Posted by: Juan | August 23, 2008 9:20 AM | Report abuse

I hear FOX News had a poll and McCain is now running at 60 percent because he didn't know how many houses he owned or whether he drives a Contour or a Cadillac. Hey, believe it, the low-information voters believe every other piece of BS that the corporate news media churns out.

Posted by: The Baloney Republic | August 23, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Great pick. Sen. Joe Biden is an excellent index card reader, who will make an outstanding vice presidential lap dog. Obama could have done worse; he could have named Hillary or his wacko Reverend!

And, so much for unspecified change. The only change we will see is dramatic tax hikes for all those who work for a living so that Obama can provide hand outs to those who don't. It's time for a reality check.

Posted by: JohnC | August 23, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Wait...Barney Frank is GAY?!?

Posted by: whopperjunior | August 23, 2008 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Some historical perspective on change, peace, and leadership.

Dramatic Change - Oct 28th, 1929 Black Monday

Price of Peace - Sept. 30th, 1938 Neville Chamberlain Munich Agreement

Be Ever Vigelent - Dec. 7th, 1941 Attack on Pearl Harbor

A Nation Divided Can Not Stand - June 16th 1858 Abraham Lincoln

Pleasure in Hubris - Ancient Greece, Aristotle

Know Your Enemy - Sept. 11, 2001 al qaeda
attack on the United States

Democrat or Republican, Left or Right, we are all Americans. If we put personal ambitions ahead of our mutual national interests, we will surely meet the fate of history.

Posted by: BP | August 23, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Ed Posted:

McCain will win the White House by a significant margin now that Biden has been selected. Obama is proving to be exactly what he says he is not ... another politician. His only strength is his MTV quality which appeals to the empty headed under 35 crowd who only know technology and money and nothing else.

___________________________________

I take offense to the "empty headed under 35 crowd" statement. My voting experience only goes back so far as the past two rigged W. elections, but just because I am under the age of 35 does not mean I am empty headed. I have just as many ideas, visions, and hopes for this country as any old white man. Except my ideas don't include taking away the rights of women, discriminating against others based on their sexual orientation, starting a ridiculous war, sacrificing thousands of American lives in said war, putting money in the pockets of oil companies, or scaring the bejeezus out of the American people to retain power.
No, my head is far from empty. So please do not judge us based on our lack of "experience". We know what is really going on around here...it is time for CHANGE!

Posted by: Jess | August 23, 2008 9:22 AM | Report abuse

All you Hillary Supporters:
What I'm reading here is: Just because Hillary didn't get picked,you want to vote for McCain? Why? Do you think McCain will put Hillary in a prominient position of power in his administration? Do you think McCain will recognize her accomplishments and reward her for her support? Do you think McCain will give Hillary & Bill ANY kind of voice in his administration?

This is stupid to even talk about, isn't it? I believe that if you vote for McCain, that you were really never Hillary supporters, but closet Republicans, in the Rush-Limbaugh mold, who secretly wanted Hillary for an opponent, and didn't get what they wanted, and have now come home to McCain.

Obamma will win this election, with or without you. If want to a be part of it, to be a player in his administration, get onboard, or wallow in misery for the next 8 years, because Hillary didn't picked, and your Republican candidate went down in Flames !!!!

Posted by: Richard-Hagerstown Md | August 23, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Every time I read that Obama shunning Hillary is a rationale for someone to vote for McCain I think that person is a political neophyte. You have to be completely disinterested in the issues to go from Hillary Clinton to John McCain. This isn't a vote for Class President. There isn't a yearbook picture at the end of the year here folks. This is the darn country and its future. Have a brain! Hillary and Obama were so aligned issue wise they spent the whole primary arguing personality. So, if you EVER liked Hillary's issue then this next vote is a no-brainer.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

The Obama handling of the vice presidential selection was poor. It makes me start to really doubt the competence of Team Obama.

Visions of Dukakis and Kerry dance in my mind.

Posted by: Roger | August 23, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

I think people forget that voters can cross the political Dem/Rep lines when disappointed with the outcome in the primaries. FUD (Fear - Uncertainty - Doubt) can possibly elect McCain in spite of the party lines.

Posted by: rshea | August 23, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

At least Obama passed the Hillary test !!

Posted by: AH2 | August 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Now, children voters, let's all think about Reverend Wright. Don't think about high gas prices, don't think about the economy blowing up, don't think about inflation, don't think about Bush and Iraq, and on and on. Keep you head safely under ground and be a meathead. Then you're ready to vote for McCain.

Posted by: What A Country | August 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

"Say it's so Joe"! Barack Hussein Obama just scuttled his quest for the presidency!
Great news for America!

McCain in '08!

Posted by: L. Mead | August 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Some of you are just looking for any excuse not to vote for Obama. We know the real reason you won't vote for him and it has nothing to do with Hillary, nor McClain. Go ahead and vote for the Republicans! Just remember, when you'll at the supermarket or gas station, you did it to yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm not a McCain fan but;
I can't find one person who can tell me why they want Osama.
All I hear I change
Too many people have bought into the idea that "change is good"
What a simplistic outlook
Please do not put your trust in any politician- they all lie and they all put themselves first-open your eyes-don't be a schmuk. Please stop building pedestals for them to stand on

Posted by: jb | August 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Some of you are just looking for any excuse not to vote for Obama. We know the real reason you won't vote for him and it has nothing to do with Hillary, nor McClain. Go ahead and vote for the Republicans! Just remember, when you'll at the supermarket or gas station, you did it to yourself.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden spoke at a HS graduation in DE, and let me tell you this, he IS the most boring speaker in my memory. He covered about 30 topics from AIDS to Education and several more from F to Z.

Certainly no JFK... not even a Paris Hilton, who is surprisingly very articulate and able to deliver memorized lines flawlessly.

Posted by: NM | August 23, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

I was pulling for Biden and am happy he will be on the ticket.
And, for those disappointed by Obama's slide to the middle, what did you expect? In the end, they're all politicians who want to get elected and then spend the next four years trying to achieve what every first-term president wants to achieve, a second term. So,the only pertinent question remains: Do you want to vote for a guy who is less than what we hoped for or a guy who is exactly what we don't need?

Posted by: Ted | August 23, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Obama Biden 08

Obama Biden 08

Great Choice, congrats Biden

Posted by: Edjoodelky | August 23, 2008 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Why are McCain supports, acting like they are Hillary, women,or democrats supporters and post against Obama?

Answer - They have no hope in their own party.

Obama Biden 08

Posted by: larry K | August 23, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Just wait until they all hear Biden in the debates, on TV shows, or at local events! I, too, was unaware of Biden's most capable speaking abilities. While watching the debates when all Democratic candidates were onstage, I saw that he overshadowed them all with his repartee, knowledge, and ability to come back quickly with an articulate and correct response. If he is garrulous, so be it. At least what we will hear will be the truth, in contrast to the Bush years and McCain's terrible, evil, and dishonest ads.

He is just what Obama needs. Obama has won us Republicans by his morality, ethics, and ability to change this country. What he had not had was enough experience with the slimy tactics used by the Rove clones, presently running the McCain campaign. Look out, former colleagues of mine! Biden, also an ethical, moral man, is coming. In his case, for years he has observed your evil games and he knows how to challenge them and deflect them. Take my advice, you had been duck!

Posted by: formerrepublican | August 23, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Plutocrats dominate this message board. Just like they dominate the news media itself. Just ask yourself if McCain, the man who doesn't know how many houses he owns or what kind of car he drives, really represents working people. Remember, there are more working class people than plutocrats! Once you realize that, you'll vote Obama.

Posted by: Truth in Politics | August 23, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Said it before, and I'll say it again--if so many people view their votes for Hillary and McCain as interchangeable, I'm damn glad that I voted for Obama and not Hillary!

Posted by: scrapster | August 23, 2008 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Standby for a insurmountable Obama bounce after the convention. Biden balances out his ticket and brings "experience" that exceeds McCain's.

Posted by: Ted from Lewes DE | August 23, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Well, the Repug trolls have restored my belief that the Dems will triumph over evil in November. Guys, your fear is palpable. You couldn't be more obviously terrified of the Obama/Biden ticket. In your roundabout (dishonest) way, you have confirmed for this liberal that Sen. Obama's choice of Joe Biden is galling and threatening to you. It does my heart good.

Posted by: wren | August 23, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Do "Democrat" and "Republican" have any meaning at all, any difference at all? Do you have any convictions at all, any principles, any ideology, any ideas? Then vote your party.

Posted by: Sarah | August 23, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a great choice even the Republicans are aware of this! After all why would so many be adding their comments here - about voting for Mc Cain because Hilary is not the VP nominee! It is patently silly to vote McCain because Hilary is not the pick. It's like choosing to drink arsenic because no milk is available! Fact is Mc Cain is WORSE than Bush!

Posted by: Phil | August 23, 2008 9:28 AM | Report abuse

Scrapster is right. Any voter who sees an interchangeable Hillary with plutocrat McCain CONFIRMS that the correct vote was Obama. By the way, remember that 28 percent of voters in the West Virginia primary voted for McCain because he's white while they voted against Obama because he's half-black. Racism is behind plutocrat McCain

Posted by: Truth in Politics | August 23, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

My household was hoping for Biden or Clinton as VP and we are thrilled. Biden's personal story has as strong an element of "victory over tragedy" as does McCain's POW experience. He is smart and likeable. Hillary supporters . . . raise your hand if you (honestly) wouldn't have done cartwheels down the hall if in the last eight years some magic force couldn't have replaced Cheney with Biden. Well done Obama. Quit complaining and vote for someone who won't put four more Alitos on the Supreme Court.

Posted by: Go Joe | August 23, 2008 9:29 AM | Report abuse

I'm reading all the praise you Obamabots are heaping on Biden and scratching my head. It sounds like the Democrat ticket needs to be turned upside down. Biden should be the nominee and Obama the VP! That does make more sense than what it is now.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Rev. Pimperton above is an amusing alias, and his group does not appear to exist, so their disappointment in Biden and support of Frank (!) is fake. Another GOP troll, for sure.

Posted by: Viking | August 23, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

There should be an exam require before people vote. I mean, these McCain voters are much like him. Cynical, hate change, racist (remember McMansion voted against an MLK holiday in AZ), unhappy, have demons in their closet (McCain has been suicidal on multiple occasions and dumped his first family for this wealthy bimbo), love BUSH. You deserve whatever you get in this life.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

You had a chance to vote for mccain when he ran against bush. You know, back when he was the maverick and an agent for change. But noooo, you hated him, voted for bush, and effectively destroyed this country.

Now that he acts just like bush, you love him, even though his policies will ensure that our destruction is complete.

Either you people are idiots or rednecks. Oh, I am sorry, there is no difference between the two is there?

Posted by: roxlaw | August 23, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

IF 28 percent of West Virginia primary voters admitted they're racists, how many more West Virginia voters are racist but just didn't admit it? God what a messed up state.

Posted by: The Baloney Republic | August 23, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama announced his VP in the middle of the night and the press already has poll numbers out. Man, the BS is really flying now. How does McCain's poll numbers go up every time he makes a fool of himself. Only a moron with rocks in his head would believe any of this BS.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 23, 2008 9:31 AM | Report abuse

What's interesting is the intense focus placed on the VP choice now - makes sense after 8 years of Rasputin aka Cheney that the VP position is more than just a sidekick riding shotgun. It will be interesting to see how the Obama/Biden ticket do - my suspicion is that they will do well on the stump together - Mr. Biden is well respected, articulate, and hold formidable knowledge of foreign policy. I've always appreciated Joe Biden - now I'll appreciate his work as Vice President Biden/

Posted by: Tess | August 23, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

I doesn't really matter who the VP is, constitutionally the VP has very little power in the Administration. It is do-nothing job that sometimes gets thrown a bone at the president's discretion.

Posted by: GeekTracker | August 23, 2008 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Let's see .....All you Hillary sports.....vendictive or repugilican?

A vote for McBush means you were never with her to begin with.

Posted by: Scott (I) | August 23, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Many people ask why democrats are getting it wrong again and again.I would say that an average democrat didnt get it wrong.Its the party elite,leftists who have hijacked the party and biased media so eager to see their affirmative action candidate to be running for president(I dont really think many of them even care if he wins-they just want the excitement and credit of creating a celebrity)that destroyed any chance of seeing a democrat in the whitehouse.

Posted by: SS | August 23, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Roxlaw: Idiots or rednecks? Those are our only choices?

You moonbats are soooooooo tolerant!

Posted by: Redneck | August 23, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

It's only been a couple of dang hours!

Do you all have some down-and-out pollsters you feel the need to give support to, so they can pay their rent -- or what?

The "impact" of something won't really be known for several weeks. This "instant" pop analysis is one reason the WaPo is losing its credibility. Instead of REPORTING news. You are MAKING news.

You aren't a cable news station. Don't act like one.

REPORT on reaction. Don't POLL and try to SHAPE the storyline.

You guys are as bad as the McCain campaign who, instead of saying, "Welcome aboard, Joe! You have been a friend and colleague -- we look forward to a hard and exciting race!" came out with instant nastiness and negative ads.

It reflects an immaturity that leaves me cold and disgusted. Grow up WaPo and McCain campaign team!

Posted by: Louise | August 23, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Protestants for peace Sicken me. I've never read a more pouty, bigoted statement in my all my life. I request please that everyone denounce them immediately. Thank you.

Posted by: Todd Riale | August 23, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

OF course the corporate news media has polls saying McCain is some sort of god when he screws up. McCain could go to the bathroom and crap in his pants and the corporate news media would send his poll numbers up.

Posted by: StanMarsh | August 23, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

So I guess Washington isn't broken anymore? Hillary was the old guard Washington, and Biden is... is what again?

Obama: Change, you might believe in. Obama you can't.

Posted by: rb | August 23, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

The comments that frighten me most on here are the Obama supporters who can't see past the "Change" mantra. What did it mean to all of you? If you can't see the change that is occurring in front of your eyes you all never really looked at Obama. Folks we might elect a Black man president in America - that is change and it will mean change. White liberals who can't see this can't see America for what it is and therefore will have a hard time understanding the work that Obama must do to make change - the first step is picking Joe Biden.

All this from a Black man who voted for Clinton because I didn't think White folks where ready for change - I had to eat that choice. And I was glad to be wrong. I think some of the folks on here who are enamored with "Change" the message need to think about change - the reality.


Posted by: Mike Smith | August 23, 2008 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Neither of them have ONE original thought or new idea. VOTE FOR McCain!!!

Posted by: Homer | August 23, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

This house thing is way over blown
I have 1 house. I live a simple life. But if someone asked me how much I'm worth or how much I owe in credit cards, and I knew that someone would call me a liar if I gave the wrong answer... I'd have to get get back to them.
Know this. I'm sure they are all researching this now in case they are asked questions about their investments.
Being rich is not exclusive to either party.

Posted by: JB | August 23, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

FRICKY FRACK BARACK WITH THE HELP OF NEDHMI AUCHI, REZKO, RAILA ODINGA (his cousin)AND FARRAHKAN ALONG WITH HIS ISLAMIC BROTHERHOOD HAVE MANAGED TO FOOL MILLIONS OF AMERICANS. HOWEVER, AMERICANS CANNOT BE FOOLED FOR LONG, AND THIS FIASCO HAS RUN ITS COURSE. OBAMA IS NOT FIT TO HOLD ANY POLITICAL OFFICE.

Posted by: Charles Williams | August 23, 2008 9:36 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ted from Lewes DE
Standby for a insurmountable Obama bounce after the convention. Biden balances out his ticket and brings "experience" that exceeds McCain's.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OMG, I just about spit coffee all over my keyboard! Dude, you are having some awesome delusions this morning. What drugs does Obama put in the morning Kool Aid he feeds you Obamabots?

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Biden brings to the table experience look at clarence thomas joe brought him down to reality,and i am a black man.

Posted by: lewis | August 23, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Great pick in Biden, Barak!
After Bush/Cheney even Johnson looks like a veritable saint!
Obama/Biden is a great ticket and will sweep the election even if were only on the basis of it being "the economy stupid", and in fact, it is a lot more than only that... a very lot more.
Bravo Barak!

Posted by: Just Plain Sam | August 23, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

I really find it hard to believe that ANYONE would actually vote for McCain. He would NOT be a good president. We would be at war with everyone, our economy would be in a depression, our gas prices would be even higher and the draft would be re-instated.

Posted by: jm49 | August 23, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

If Obama is to get anything done, he's got to be elected first. Biden isn't the non-change candidate. He the candidate who ENABLES change. I know that's not the FOX News storyline, but it's true.

Posted by: Truth in Politics | August 23, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

If you were a Hillary supporter and you now support John McCain then you were NEVER a Hillary supporter nor an honest Democrat. What you amount to is an emancipated woman who acts childish and scorned. Step back and think about it. REALLY think about it. ANY choice of candidate(s), either presidential or veep who can ouster the present regime is my dream team. Don't be hypocrites "ladies".

Posted by: baharas | August 23, 2008 9:38 AM | Report abuse

Homer (simpson)

...Oh and McBush has all the NEW ideas !

Right!

And I do mean Right ---->>>>

Posted by: Scott (I) | August 23, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

No Hillary, so I am going to vote for the candadite that is almost completely opposite to her on almost every policy issue... Yeah, real supporters... Blind supporters. Hillary and Barack are in essence the same liberal candidate on the issues...

Posted by: Jason | August 23, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Very disappointed in his choice of Biden - same old same old- was hoping he would go with someone who was YOUNG energetic - someone who would REALLY bring about CHANGE - not some old geez. But will probably vote for Obama anyway in November - can't stand the old geezer Republicans

Posted by: trixiefrmdixie | August 23, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Too many Republican plutocrats are on this message board saying they voted for Hillary.
Stop lying.

Posted by: StanMarsh | August 23, 2008 9:40 AM | Report abuse

I *love* that Joe speaks his mindand speaks strongly. And it's good for the president to have a VP that won't be spending 8 years trying to become the next president. Great choice.

Posted by: Not McSame | August 23, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

The real reason that America is having a problem with Obama is his race. Hillary fueled the fire with her and Bill's negative comments on race. When people say that, no one would vote for a black president, this is why individuals making those types of statements should not be leading the country. We need to move forward and be all inclusive in our thinking. That old way of thinking needs to be put to rest once and for all. This country needs to be united, not divided.

Posted by: Sadie | August 23, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

"Obama's choice of running mate unlikely to shake-up presidential horse race."

First rule of VP selection: Do no harm.

Posted by: Max Sewell | August 23, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

No Matter who wins, we are all still going to have to go to work the next day. I just hope that by time this "super-power" gets a global clue, this place is still worth fighting for.

Posted by: Charles J | August 23, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

I am an independant voter and all i have heard is words from both of them..neither have explained how they are going to change things..Obama is just way to naive and so far i am voting for mccain

Posted by: beth | August 23, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

ask why there is no american flag on the aircraft of the obama campaign and why all of a sudden All the pics of obama show a flag in the bacground and will mr obama come out and tell the american public did he use the coran or the bible when he took the office of senator some people say this is not important but how could this not matter our great country was founded on the principles of the bible but lately it has been going down hill the ten comandments being removed from goverment buildings prayer removed from our schools special interest groups trying to remove in god we trust from our money and we as americans just sit by and let it happen why? what has happened to this country are we just going to sit back and let special interest groups and foreign goverments tell us how to live and run our own country ?

Posted by: the american | August 23, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Well, at least he's not Joe Lieberman!

Posted by: Michael Collins Piper | August 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA Biden 08
great choices

We need great energy policy
We need a Great Public Relation around the world
We need someone will think Outside The box
We need to challenge tough task
We need to lead the world
We need to solve problems

America where the Dream Are Made.

obama Binden 08
it's the best combination since peanut Butter and Jelly Sandwich

Democrats 2008
i am sadden about Hillary make no mistake.
i will not vote for Bush 3rd terms

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

What an idiotic poll. An instant waste of time.

Posted by: Fred Gallop-Pohl | August 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

to all dems, your last chance to voice your choices is the roll call at the convention...pick wisely or shut the hell up...the world is watching...

Posted by: Dwight | August 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting sick and tired of this Hillary BullSh!t.

Hillary never recieved a phone call, paperwork, NOTHING concerning the VP pick. And quite honestly, do you blame Obama? If someone spent 6 months sh!tting on you, especially when there was no reason to, what loyalty would you retain to them? Thats right. None.

So, to recap: Hillary was never considered, never vetted, and didn't make the final list. You can cry all you want over your has-run, but complaining about it isn't going to change anything. Shut up and grow up.

Posted by: Republican who laughs at whining Democrats | August 23, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

It's a shame that Obama didn't have the courage to continue this ride on the historical wave of change. I am a Hillary supporter but I was willing to support Obama if he picked a woman for a running mate. Instead he stays safe by picking another 'white male'. I will NOT vote for Obama. I will not vote for McCain either, but I will write in a candidate of my choice. My vote is a matter of conviction, it is as important to me as breathing is. It is what makes Americans unique, our democracy strong. To vote just because ...or to vote for the 'winner'... is a waste of one of the most important contributions we 'regular' people can make to our country. If Obama can not have the courage to pick a woman then I will have the courage not to vote for him.

Posted by: sj | August 23, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Senator Obama made the right choice in Biden, who is well-respected, articulate, extremely knowledgeable, and has a wealth of experience--both in domestic and foreign policy. McShame/Romney (and it's gonna be "Romboy", by the way) can't touch Biden. Period.

As well, Biden's respected across the aisle. Having a Veep who's a Washington insider is important for either the Dem or Rep presidenial candidate. And, Biden isn't going to take the inane crap McShame/Romboy throws about. And speaking of gaffes, they don't compare with those that fly out of the mouths of McShame and Bush. Senator Obama made the right choice in Biden.

And I agree with this--the Hillary supporters need to get real. She ran a horrible campaign, and Obama won it by running a superior one. Case closed. If they claim to be REAL Democrats and want a REAL change from the destructive policies of Bush, which McShame largely supported, they'll be intelligent citizens and party loyalists and support/vote for their party nominee--Senator Obama.

Posted by: Evans | August 23, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Project code: "Magic 19 Age + Personality Strategy".

This all the more reason why Senator McCain should choose Mike Huckabee as his VP. Age differences was a primary reason for Obama choosing Binden and the reversal should be for true for McCain too.

Obama's birthdate - 8/4/1961
Biden's birthdate - 11/20/1942
= difference 19 years older

McCain's birthdate - 8/29/1936
Huckabee's birthdate - 8/24/1955
= difference 19 years younger

While Obama tries to influence the population with a more balanced ticket of age as Biden is 19 years older, McCain too can use the same strategy and choose Huckabee who is 19 years younger.

When you think about it, age has a lot to do with whom people vote for. Most people that hang around together are usually the same age group.

While McCain and Biden attrack the older baby boomer generation that are in retirement years living longer, the younger middle age boomers of Obama and Huckabee track the next largest voting population.

Plus...

Obama tried to balance the ticket based on personality:

Obama - Great orator speaker people skills
Biden - Hard military details person

McCain - Hard military details person
Huckabee - Great orator speaker people skills

Again another strategy to balance the ticket and persuade both types of people. Those who relate more personally and those that relate more on details.

Obama's punch was impressive, now lets wait and see if McCain will counter punch with the same impressive strategy with Mike Huckabee as his VP.

Posted by: Giant Robot | August 23, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

I expected this from Mr. Obama. I really feel he has a long road ahead of him to win the White House. Where is his promise for "Change".
I will do something different after voting 40 years as a democrat, Change......

Posted by: Ty Stover | August 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

I am for Europe but I am watching closely US election. So far I can tell you can conratulate the new american president Mr McCain.
The only way Obama could win was to get Hillary. But everyone knew he will never do it. For 3 reasons:
1. His wife would never allow it
2. He will never allow it because he knows the people will say the real president is Hillary
3. Most of the people are adept to lie themselves thinking if they strongly want something it will happen no matter what the realities are

Posted by: Handel | August 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

For me the Biden pick serves to highlight Barak's lack of experience and the fact that he is simply running too soon. But the old men of the Democratic Party got what they wanted, pushing the Clinton's farther away from their domain. Not that is change.

Posted by: JJ | August 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Biden quotes on Obama, Iraq, bin Laden and even McCain. http://tinyurl.com/5tsu3n

Posted by: Tim | August 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

Biden as vp was a very excellent choice. Biden takes the experience factor off of the table for republicans. McCain will probably counter with Romney to offset his economic deficiency. Biden and Romney will provide the kind of rough and tumble fight that we like in our presidential campaigns. Meanwhile, Obama will obliterate McCain on the high road. The Obama ticket is the change ticket. However, one must understand the past to make the changes necessary to leave the past behind. Biden provides that critical understanding. Obama has proven his brilliance once again in choosing Biden. Now we will get to see the real McCain through the eyes of a man who was there before McCain got to the Senate.

Posted by: Darrell Hitchens | August 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

All these comments about in favor of or not.. Bottom line is if you like Obama, you will continue to do so, if you don't then this is an excuse you can not stand tall on.. As for the Hillary supporters who say they will show vengeance and vote for McCain, you should take a course in critical thinking. How do you go from liking Hillary to liking McCain? They are on the opposite spectrum of politics. I can see them staying home for not liking Obama, but McCain?
Good thing most voters, republicans or democrats don't think as spiteful and vengeful like these voters.

Posted by: mikecq | August 23, 2008 9:45 AM | Report abuse

As an independent voter -- I think Obama just gave the election away. although we still need to see who McCain picks.

The libertarian party is starting to look better and better these days.

Posted by: steve-o | August 23, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Have you noticed that the plutocrats on this message board always talk in superficialities? They say, oh, Obama is scary, Obama has a funny name, Obama is a black guy, Obama is, is, is.... Man, what a way to run McCain's campaign. Must've been designed to appeal to those low-information voters out in West Virginia.

Posted by: StanMarsh | August 23, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Quoting trainor: "Biden is smart,savvy and capable of actually saing sane things..."

Do you mean when he said Obama was clean, articulate and attractive for an African American? Or was it one of his other sane, smart and savvy comments?

Posted by: trainor?? | August 23, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Biden is Obama's new Dick Cheney!!

Posted by: andy | August 23, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations to the Obama Campaign for the Obama Biden 08 Ticket. Change We can Believe in, Judgment we can Trust. I look forward to Springfield IL today, Denver this week, the Fall Debates and November Elections when America will have her say. G'd Bless America. This whole Presidential (American Leadership) campaign has been the best Civic Example of (participatory democracy)in my 65 years. "Fired Up, Ready to Go".

Posted by: Fareed H. Ansari | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

JB: "This house thing is way over blown"

The media is nothing if not consistent... and awful.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

New ideas! Neocon foreign policy, deregulation (housing crisis), tax-break economic plans, deficit spending, reliance on foreign (oh and maybe 2-3% domestic) energy, etc. C'mon, why don't you people just call it what it is when you support this crap that has America on the crash course it is currently on track for. This is an easy decision on the basis of political and economic fundamentals, yet people aren't voting for the guy because he doesn't have experience supporting these things, or because he is not a woman, or even because he is a black guy. If Obama does not win, you will all have yourselves to blame.

Posted by: Jason | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

BTW: I feel the need to make it clear that I am not a silly, starry eyed dreamer who thinks that real change can be delivered on the back of lofty rhetoric or stirring speeches. Just like everybody else, I'm gambling here...I AM NOT 100% confident that Obama (or, for that matter, any other INDIVIDUAL/politician) is the catalyst this country sorely needs. But just about everything I've seen and heard during this crazy snipe hunt that passes for our political process tells me that, experienced or not, this candidate and, just as importantly, the people he has surrounded himself with, GET IT...REALLY GET IT. The whole campaign is based on positive, progressive (if not always detailed and specific) vision for the country and our future. Contrast that with the fear-mongering, arrogant, chest-thumping, overwhelmingly negative messages from the other camp, and I am going to put my wager on Obama everyday and twice on Sunday. Sure, he might disappoint me in the long run, but there is no question that the course of this country over the last 8 years has been about as wrong-headed as it can be. Asking me to choose more of the same but expecting different results...well that's just plain insane!

Posted by: FR | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I am an Massachusetts resident. I voted for Hillary in the primary. I am a 46 years IT professional and a mother of two teenagers. I am NOT republican but an independent. I am going to vote for McCain.

Posted by: Jane | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the real straight talk guy and the best pick that Obama can make. He can take care of the foreign policy while Obama can concentrate on the domestic issues to bring back America on track. They perfectly complement each other.

Posted by: joe | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Barack Obama should have picked his brother
"George Obama" as a running mate.

George Obama has not asked his rich American brother for help despite his modest income (reported a dollar a month)

Seriously folks I think this is a bigger issue then the VP. I hope the Washing post does some reporting on the plight of Barack's family. Barack is running on change, and helping restore the American dream and he has left his own brother in a tin shack around the world.

Posted by: Jason | August 23, 2008 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Ted from Lewes DE
Standby for a insurmountable Obama bounce after the convention. Biden balances out his ticket and brings "experience" that exceeds McCain's.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

OMG, I just about spit coffee all over my keyboard! Dude, you are having some awesome delusions this morning. What drugs does Obama put in the morning Kool Aid he feeds you Obamabots?

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 9:37 AM

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It looks like the McCant's are getting desperate. The press has your poll numbers going up every day as you make fool's of yourselves. I'm sorry but conditioning don't work anymore.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 23, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Joe is a troll. A GOP troll using GOP talking points. To stir up Hillary sycophants and stir up the elitist theme. Except Joe is the consummate blue collar, Catholic man, who is anything but an elitist, with a great family story. Compared to McCain especially. And if Mccain picks Romey, forget it. Bwa-hah-hah-hah-hah-hsaaaaaaahhh

This is a great, and very balanced, ticket. Most important is Biden's immediate ability to take over the Presidency if, god forbid, circumstances dictate, and his foreign policy experience. His ability to help navigate Washington is also a big plus. And he is catholicand very blue collar. Will seal the deal in PA and help in eastern OH and throughout Appalachia. His big mouth represents a willingness to challenge orthodoxy -- it's a plus substantively, and a small minus politically. I really like this ticket.

Posted by: MT | August 23, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

How petty Obama and his people can be?Never considered Hillary? Never even consulted her?And waht about the 3AM text message?I am sure all these will excite Clinton supporters to rally behind the chosen one.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

Somebody says McCain has already been elected? More of the same FOX News garbage.

Posted by: The Baloney Republic | August 23, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

I'm PISSED! Obama picks another old coot whose past words will be used against him. Biden IS an elitist. IF McCain chooses Romney, we will not see victory this year. WHAT A FRIGGING BUMMER.

Posted by: Alan in San Diego | August 23, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

All This talk about elitist Senators. Geeze people. They are all Ivy leaguers who, despite the fact that there da' worked on the farm or their ma' raised them working 100 hr weeks, cannot be expected to say or act like Joe Shmo American. The founders set up out education system among other systems to ensure that the smartest, cleverest, and yes most elite of us should run the country. For poop sake, the whole idea of having an average Joe into he White House kind of backfired with good ol' GW don't you think?

Posted by: B | August 23, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

The ticket is upside down. The inexperienced one at the top, the insider on the bottom.

He should have picked Hillary.

Waiting for McCain now. It can't be worse than this pick.

Posted by: JoeO | August 23, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the best possible choice for Obama. It is a shame that some hard-core Hillary supporters can not rise above their admirable passion and embrace this ticket as the best overall combination to end the past eight years of stacking the judiciary with ultra conservative, agenda-driven judges; discriminatory hiring practices based on party affiliation; intentional slow response to Katrina aid as punishment to voters in Louisiana for historically trending democratic as opposed to the swift arrival of aid for Katrina victims in Mississippi (whose governor was RNC chair when Bush, Sr was elected); administrative practice of allowing lobbyists to write policy then paying journalists for favorable editorials on those policies; mocking climate change as nothing more than a theory and slashing funding to any form of research that might contradict their agenda; driving a "Faith Base Initiative" program that overwhelming funnels tax dollars to Christian churches (as opposed to the many other faiths in this country) allowing those churches access to funds for building shiny, new, massive houses of worship that those congregations probably could not have afforded otherwise; an Iraq invasion motivated by personal revenge against the man about whom Bush stated "besides, he tried to kill my daddy" but was spun as an urgent need to sniff out non-existent weapons of mass destruction and has cost us the lives of thousands of our soldiers (meanwhile Bin Laden lives); wholesale erosion of civil liberties and privacies...and that is just the tip of the iceberg.

I would be equally proud to have Hillary as Obama's running mate, but at the end of the day any party should always "put their best team on the field." As competent as Hillary is and the great skill sets and experience she would bring to the table, she is no doubt a polarizing figure: people either admire her or, unfortunately, despise her. Biden has all of the positives that Hillary would bring but none of the ill-perceived negatives attributed to Senator Clinton by her detractors.

To all supporters of Senator Clinton who have vowed to support McCain because their candidate is no longer in the race, please step back from the cliff and contemplate what a McCain victory would mean. He has vowed to nominate any possible openings on the Supreme Court with ultra-conservative judges like Scalia, Thomas, etc. The thought that a 4 year period until Senator Clinton can run again, win the presidency, and undo any changes in Supreme Court rulings through appointment of new judges is fraught with way too many uncertain variables. If any monumental rulings are implemented or overturned, it could be decades to have those decisions reversed. How many years are you willing to live without rulings - like a fundamental right to privacy - that are taken for granted today?

Come back home...we need you now more than ever.

Posted by: lgherb | August 23, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

It is sad to see a great political party like the Democrat Party deteriate into what it now represents. I have been a staunch democrat for many years but when Howard Dean became the dictator, I quit. McCain is by far the best man running and I along with millions of "used to be democrats" are backing McCain all the way. The democrat party as of today, with its Howard Dean, its Hussein Obama and his Rev. Wright, its internatioal thugs, Nachmi Auchi, Raila Odinga and its jailed supporters such as Tony Rezko makes the bulk of the party want to puke. Anything would be better than this phoney, egotistical hypocrite called Hussein Obama.

Posted by: BONNIE WILLIAMS | August 23, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

These comments are absolutely hysterical. It's amazing how funny are Republican Trolls posing as Hillary supporters. Truth is Obama respects Hillary. She knows it. He knows it. But Obama was looking for a capable VP not someone who came in 2nd place. Besides which, R's would have needed Hillary on the Obama ticket to rally their base. Instead Obama picked an earnest, steady, career public servant with working class routes from the Delaware/PA area. Anyone who meets Joe Biden 1 on 1 will love this guy.

Posted by: Christopher London | August 23, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden is a great choice. We need "junk yard dog", with a big bite, who can take off the kid gloves, get in there are blast McCain. Who will let people know that McCain was a POW because he dropped bombs on innocent women and children. Who isn't afraid to say McCain is a hot tempered liar, and a cheat. Someone who has seen the dirty work McCain hasn doing in the senate and is not afraid to point it. Go Joe go!

Posted by: DC Observer | August 23, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

I feel vindicated by the fact that Obama's single greatest draw - his ability to change the landscape of US foreign policy by initiating a troop withdrawl - has now faded due to the efforts of our Secretary of State.
That anti-war voters are still flocking for Obama even after this landmark development reflects some level of disconnection.

Posted by: Daniel | August 23, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

What a flip flopper Obama is turning out to be. First he's for change then he goes for a veteran VP. First he's against Washington Insiders and then he goes for a
- a Washington Insider. His inexperience and lack of political nous is on display big time. What with Biden's verbosity and Obama's flowery embellishments to political language all we're going to see is a lot of hot air. Some good that is to
the problems of the world and the problems ordinary folk are suffering.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Why would anyone vote for McCain who is the COMPLETE OPPOSITE to everything Hillary Clinton has stood for? Every issue, every policy...

Hillary and Barack are in essence the same democratic candidate on the issues. But so many of you are voting for spite i.e. anger at media than issues.

Posted by: Kate | August 23, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

People rant and rave about Biden and plagiarism but manage to forget McCain and the Keating Five. I find that fascinating.

Posted by: phoeber | August 23, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden...interesting. Don't want to see another 911 again.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I am very disappointed with Obama's choice. I would have been 100% behind him had he chose Clinton. The only thing he showed me last night is that he and his can keep a secret - I'm not sure that's such a good thing.

Posted by: Charles | August 23, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't going to vote for Obama no matter what; however, now that he has picked "Slow Joe Biden" I think McCain's chances of winning have increased. Joe will say something contradictory and stupid and that will only compound the silly things Obama has and will be saying.

Posted by: jay | August 23, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

Good bye McCain....Biden's the best possible choice for VP - democrat or republican. Who are McCain's choices again? Pawlenty? HAHAHAHAHAHAHA. Romney....oh, a Biden Romney match up in the VP debates will bring blood and leave Romney crying like the little girl he truly is. This'll be great.

Biden's super smart, and super experienced - not one to just go with the rest of 'em. He speaks his mind and is the true "Straight Talk Express" in this election now.

Great choice. Even Hillary said so. Obama/Biden '08!

Posted by: Martin | August 23, 2008 9:51 AM | Report abuse

What was that Democrat mantra..."change" ?

And this guy has been running for President since 1988? 2 decades?

Posted by: John Bailo | August 23, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter all that much, like the chart shows. Personally, I would have preferred Sebelius.

Posted by: P3epe | August 23, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

If Obama fails in his bid for the White House, Hillary will have another shot in 2012.

How will this affect the Clinton's enthusiasm for the Obama Campaign?

Posted by: T.J. Ramsey | August 23, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama is still the nominee. Biden, Clinton, Kaine, they all take orders from the top. Here are our choices:

Obama=new

McCain=Bush

Everything else is just the media filling space and selling ads. Its really that simple!

Posted by: StevenAK | August 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden, the 2008 losing ticket.

Good pick Obama.

Biden reminds me of Jimmy Carter - who brought shame to the US because of his mishandling of the Iran hostage crisis.

This is what will happen:

McCain 2008
Hillary 2012


Posted by: alee21 | August 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Senator Biden may have to contend with the plagiarism issue, but, for someone who's been in the Senate for 36 years, that's not a very big skeleton to have in the closet. Biden sat on and later chaired the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, and the Senate Judiciary Committee. He has a reputation for being a calming, uniting voice, as does Obama. My sense was that Clinton's rhetoric was too shrill and divisive and that she ultimately didn't succeed because people are yearning for the kind of peace and cooperation that this team could bring about. This choice shows that Obama recognizes what a balanced ticket looks like, and that indicates to me that he'll be open to the right kind of advice. When coupled with Obama's intelligence and outlook, I'd say this is a very exciting choice.

Posted by: Deirdre | August 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Biden an elitist?

From what I heard, his wife and child died years ago in an accident, he lives with his sister in Delaware, and takes a train to DC every day to do his job. Very unassumingly, this is how the guy goes from day to day.

He's got more foreign policy scruples than anyone openly vying for a leadership position and can say the one sentence version of President Obama's paragraphs. He'll show he's human and butcher the phrases sometimes. Bush did it as a ploy and the country went with it for 8 years. He'll do it genuinely, receive hell for it, and keep doing his job.

Posted by: GetWithIt | August 23, 2008 9:53 AM | Report abuse

In response to Joe:

The spoiled brat syndrome that has "so-called" Democrats stomping their feet in defiance because of Hillary is humiliating and embarrassing.

By all means, take your petulance to the other side. Your lack of vision and shrill voices are truly unwelcome. However, they are a great fit for the defensive and volatile nature of John McCain.

Posted by: cggalen | August 23, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Who's going to be running the country? Biden or Obama. Picking Biden as VP was only good as far as Biden's foreign affairs background. Who's going to know what to do in the event of a terrorist attack on this country? It sure as **** won't be Obama. Obama will be shoved out of the way so Biden can handle the crisis. Obama lacks the experience to defend this country. Biden was a candidate for President, but he did not get enough support. Picking Biden goes against the "Change" that Obama's campaign is centered on. Biden has been up on the Hill for 30 years. He's a big Washington insider. No "change" here. If Obama wants to redistribute the wealth from Corporate America to poor people, Biden is from Delaware where most Corporations incorporate. If you think for one minute Biden will go against Corporate America, think again.

Posted by: spl | August 23, 2008 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Nice to see an intelligent presidential candidate and his running mate. Its been a long time since we have had the opportunity to elect some smart people into the most important public office.

Both are excellent communicators which is critical.

Dont know how anyone could ever vote for McCain. He struggles to find words and he really has gotten in over his head. He will forever be remebered as the guy who was asked how many houses do you have and answering "I dont know ask my staff". What a moron!

Posted by: Gabe | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I like Joe Biden and it is interesting that Obama has chosen him. It does seem an odd fit with his 'change' message. It's good to see Obama is practical and that, gasp, he actually wants to win.

Biden's middle name is Robinette. . .that sound kinda French. Are we going to see a commercial about it?

Posted by: j4hour | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

As a (one-time) enthusiastic Obama supporter, I am VERY disappointed in this choice and don't know if I can continue to support him.

Biden is a tool of the predatory credit card industry. He isn't the senator from Delaware as much as he's the senator from MBNA. Whatever they want, he delivers.....like legalizing 30% interest rates for people who papy an hour late.

Biden was also instrumental in inflicting America with the Bankruptcy Reform Act, which makes it almost impossible to file bankruptcy even if it's no fault of your own. The vast majority of people file because of illness, unemployment or divorce.

Shame on you, Barack. This is change for the worse.

Posted by: Jersey Bob | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

GREAT CHOICE....
Go back and look at Bidens voting record, and the things he has said in public for the world to see, then Jump for joy at Obama's choice. No surprise here, the Right has been saying all along he will NOT choose Hillary, and he will choose Biden. Guess Obama proved them right.
Disappointing he could play right into their hands, they have all they need now for defeat.

Posted by: Ellie | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

I have been a democrat all my life.
They used to be for blue collar workers.
Now the environmentalists have forced jobs out of this country into unregulated parts of the world where they can pollute without regard and make record profits. How does that help the planet? All it has done is diminish our ability as consumers to remain relevant to the world economy. As soon as we lose our consumer element, who will care what we think?

Why would Obama be good?
Can anyone answer that without giving bumper sticker answers?
I’m not saying McCain is the answer, but Get Real!!!!!

Posted by: JB | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

People who are in here saying if Hilliary
didn't get chosen as Obama's Vice-President
that they will vote for McCain, they need
to grow up and start using their brains.
If you vote for McCain the United States
of America will be worse than it is now and
you have made it so. Stop acting like
spoiled little children and think about this
great nation, and our children and their
children, voted for McCain they will have
not future. Oh, yes they will have one with wars, and spending their life paying
for McCain's stupidity like Bush.
Wake up before it's to late.

Posted by: Sammy | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

When we go to the polls in November to vote, Do we really care who the vice presidents are going to be? All that matters is that who will be the next president.

Posted by: Allen Sabatini | August 23, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Braindead and brainwashed myopic morons, hypocrites and faux christians for the republican party along with the corporate controlled media will destroy this country. So please any Hilliary supporters please help them out by voting for looney tunes John McSame.

Posted by: timebanded | August 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Biden's not change? Yeah he is! The change Obama's talking about is kicking out those fat idiot repuglicans. Democrats had nothing to do with screwing up this country, people like McCain were in power for 6 of the last 8 years. Isn't it interesting that as soon as Bush and Cheney get elected everything goes to hell? What changed? Only the executive branch. Then 2 years ago Dems got a SMALL majority...and you hold Biden and other lifelong Dems responsible for what a conservative congress, conservative court and conservative executive branch did for 6 years? The only change I want is for repuglicans to be booted out of Washington back to their backwater plantation states.

Posted by: TK | August 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

If you're a Hillbot voting for McCain, that's just proof of just how stupid you really are. If my some miracle McCain wins, you'll get a conservative Supreme Court, Rowe V Wade overturned and damage to the Constitution that will take generations to fix. A vote for McAncient is a huge step backward for this country. Obama made the right choice with Biden.

Posted by: Bill | August 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

honestly, no matter who he picked, people were going to complain. No, he didn't pick Hillary, and personally I'm glad he didn't. The Clinton's need to learn that whining isn't the way to get what you want.

On to Biden - I seriously believe this was the best choice. Biden has unbeatable foreign policy experience (something that Obama has been getting hammered on), and the man has been elected as a Del.'s state senate 6 times. 6 TIMES. He must be doing something right, because that just doesn't happen to the average senate.

And talk all you want about how he says stupid things occasionally , but the measure of a man isn't by what he says, it's what he DOES that really matters. This was a great decision on Obama's part, and I can't wait to see the big debates.

We all need to focus on the facts. I'm so tired of people saying they're voting for McCain just because their favorite didn't get the nod. People like that are a disgrace to democracy, and should be ashamed of themselves for being so petty. Choose a candidate with your logic, knowledge, and wisdom, not with your emotions.

And enough with this "elitist" stuff. You make mountains out of molehills just to call him that, when really it's just name calling. Whether Obama is elitist or not, it shouldn't make a difference. It all comes down to what he's going to do for our country.

So, set aside your prejudices, your bitterness, all your emotions, and look past all the public relations BS, and analyze the FACTS before you make your decision in November. Don't let CNN or Fox News or any other news station convince you who to vote for. Do some research on your own, and then choose for yourself.

If after all this, you choose McCain, that's fine. If you choose Obama, that's fine too. But don't muck up the great process of democracy because you let a candidate play off your emotions. Americans are more intelligent than the world gives us credit for, let's prove it to them - Not through military force, not through idle threats, but through insight, wisdom, and knowledge. "Be the change you want to see in the world."

Posted by: mike in GA | August 23, 2008 9:56 AM | Report abuse

I'm a Hillary supporter who will be voting McCain this year, even though I have voted Democratic all of my voting life. But then, I'm an "irrational," "closet-Republican."

Rather than considering WHY Hillary supporters are unsatisfied with voting for Obama, it's apparently easier to name-call. Perhaps part of the reason may be due to the lack of respect and courtesy that Obama supporters have Clinton supporters. All the name-calling will only make me more steadfast in voting McCain. Think it won't matter in November?

Posted by: m | August 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Oh please... I can't wait for the conservatives to start spamming the airwaves with their diatribes about socialism now. What a pack of garbage this whole "debate" is on this forum; skewed polls, self righteous blow hards, and haters. I think Biden is an excellent choice - and as a matter of fact, Obama could have picked Charles Manson as his running mate, and the team would still outshine McSame on ethical issues.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Obama just showed how ignorant he really is... he not only lacks experience he has poor judgement. Choosing Hillary for his VP would have been his best bet to win. He has let the primary bitterness cloud his judgement ... which tells you how immature his thinking is and just what kind of a President he will be. If no independent candidate enters the race and gives America something else to vote for ... then I will write Hillary in as my candidate and I hope all other Hillary supporters will do the same. Biden is a long-term "do nothing" insider who should have been replaced long ago. If Obama thinks that Biden will strengthen his ticket in any state besides Delaware, he is sadly mistaken.

Posted by: s.kaye | August 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Had Clinton been Obama's choice it would have meant that I would have been obliged to consider the horror of electing Bush for a Third term. Thank God that's no longer staring me in the face.
Losing with a bit of grace, is it beyond the former Clinton supporters? Is claws-out nastiness what they stand for? Isn't that part of why she lost? Having lost to Obama are they now going to lose to McCain? Don't they stand for anything beyond a one-note militancy?

Posted by: jSiler | August 23, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Ha! Haha!
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From a conservative's standpoint, having literally no decent candidate to choose in this election, I support Obama's pick because it will help McCain.

Posted by: Justin | August 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I am a Clinton supporter who will be voting for McCain, and would be doing that whomever Obama picked for VP. I think that with this pick Obama admits he is vulnerable on the experience issue - has picked a "teacher". And Obama has picked a consummate Washington insider - so much for the "change" and "broken" politics theme. I have heard Biden speak, and Obama has picked a good debater to balance his lack of skill in that forum. I respect Biden, and I agree he was a very qualified candidate in the Democratic race for the nomination. But he bombed as a candidate, so I think that he is also a risky choice for Obama.

Posted by: Randi | August 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

The split in the democratic party will get McCain elected. Too many Hillary-supporters will stay home on election day. In a tight race, this will make some of the swing states go to McCain.
Clinton would've been a better alternative.

Posted by: Claus from Finland | August 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

To some people when Obama says "change" they think he means the opposite of Bush. But he really means the opposite of the polarizing politics born in the 60s that has dominated the politics of the baby boomers. Biden is quite consistent with Obama's vision of change because he has never been part of that sixties style politics.

Posted by: Richard | August 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

by Elder,"...if they win, they are going so siphon out more of your money than you will ever realize." Really. I sure realize how much has been siphoned in the last 8 years.

8 years ago the budget was in surplus. This year gas has been over $4.00/gal. China owns a huge chunk of our HUGE debt (wonder when they will forclose).

McCain may have been a patriot once long ago. With a voting record 95% Bush supportive he is a traitor - just like Bush.

Posted by: Paul Howard | August 23, 2008 9:58 AM | Report abuse

I am an Massachusetts resident. I voted for Hillary in the primary. I am a 46 years IT professional and a mother of two teenagers. I am NOT republican but an independent. I am going to vote for McCain

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And soon you'll see you job outsourced to. I hope you get everything you ask for. More war for oil. A bankrupt country. Keep listening to neo-con radio, they'll set ya straight.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 23, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

A Welsh coal miner's son as vice president. Who would have thunk it?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

After a week's worth of hype and pomp and circumstance, Obama chose "safe" over "change". This pick is reflective of a campaign that has slipped into a stall mode, unable to fight back against McCain's senseless charge about his rising celebrity (how many times did McSame appear on Letterman and SNL?) and afraid to point out that McSame was admonished for his role in the Keating 5 scandal after he launched in his Reczko attacks this week.

I was a Obama support from the beginning and gave money to his campaign effort. This has brought great expectations full of the sound and fury but in the end signifying nothing...the same old Washington politics. I'm disappointed in this selection and am not sure at this point whether or not I will vote for him in November. Unlike the Clintonites out there, I WILL NOT VOTE for McCAIN!

Posted by: dparkdon | August 23, 2008 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Anyone that could vote for a Republican candidate after what the party has dealt our world these last 8 years must either be very, very wealthy or very, very stupid.

Posted by: idhoho | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Biden is not a Washington insider.

Fun fact: He doesn't even own a residence in DC.

**EVERY SINGLE DAY, HE TAKES THE TRAIN HOME TO DELAWARE TO HIS HOME.**

Maybe Johhny Sidney McMansion III could learn something from a guy who is really dedicated to the people of his state, and not to the inside-the-beltway K-street crowd.

Posted by: Jim | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

OK, I am very very disappointed in Obama. I am a Hilary supporter and prior o this I was considering voting for obama, with this my Vote goes to Mccain. Obama should have thought why 18mil voted for Hilary?

Posted by: Mary, VA | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

BONNIE WILLIAMS: go crawl back under your rock, troll. Only Republicans have proven themselves capable of stooping low enough to employ focus group-tested McCarthy-era wordplay like "Democrat party".

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

That is how it starts the FALL AND DEMISE INTO THE ABYSS OF OBLIVION OF BARACK OBAMA!!

Posted by: tim | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember what happened to Anita Hill? Biden refused to meet with her in private which resulted in the worst Supreme Court pick in the history of the country plus total humiliation for a good woman. Of course, this happened when Obama was still in diapers!

Posted by: sheila | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

picking up Biden, then I'll vote for McCain. the very reason that Biden had not won his primary presidential ticket said lots about...

i was hoping that Obama would pick Hillary, for the one reason of "Change", and for history-making. but oh well, it seems that the oval office does not even make any more sense--it does not matter who is sleeping there because it is same-old...same-old...and "No Change".

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

I would have chosen Jim Webb of VA, former Secretary of the Navy to bring in VA, NC, and the hardliners/independents of the Upper Midwest and Pennsylvania. Now the race got much closer. Let's just hop McCain does something dumb like picking Joe Lieberman.

Posted by: Bob in Los Altos, CA | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

As a true conservative (Bush isn't a conservative, he outspends Ted Kennedy), I'm thrilled with Obama's choice. Biden has been unable to win the Dem base in running for President twice now. This message board proves that he can't ignite the Dem base. He also doesn't appeal to middle America either.

Thank you Obama for completing your self-implosion. Crises averted.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:00 AM | Report abuse

The deal has always been Bill Clinton for Veep, since before Iowa. Somebody's going to pay for this.

Posted by: Kacoo | August 23, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Vote for McCain confirmed :)

Posted by: Bill O'Bama | August 23, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Im sick and tired of this lack of experience crap! Neither Clinton, Reagan, or Carter Had been to Washington and they were elected president

Posted by: Sam | August 23, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Joseph Biden brings to this presidential race what panty hose brought to petting.

Posted by: John Winston Pillsbury IV | August 23, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

All these idiots claiming to be distraught over Biden as a choice are right-wing operatives. Call me a conspiracy theorist but whether they realize it or not, they are acting as right-wing operatives. Honestly, there is so little controversy around Biden that when these bloggers feign dissappointment in BO's choice it reeks of Rove. Left-wingers may typically like to party but right-wingers are known for their dirty tricks.

Posted by: CJ | August 23, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Thank God he didn't pick Hillary. The republicans have been waiting in the wings to drag out Whitewater, Travelgate and Monica Lewinsky. Now they have no ammunition at all.

Posted by: Bill | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

My vote is now confirmed: McCain
Obama BLEW IT.

Posted by: Tim McElroy--Detroit | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Lynn: "Voting for McKinney or Nader just nullifies my vote - it's the same as staying at home"
So is voting for whoever loses.

Posted by: P3epe | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

"No to Hillary means that I vote for mccain!"

I suppose you voted for Nader the last times around? Maybe Ross Perot back in the day? This has nothing to do with party loyalty. It's cutting off your nose to spite your face. Good luck to your children in McBush's legacy.

"Dissent is the highest form of Patriotism."

Posted by: Midwest dude | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I don't really believe these numbers.

How do these respondents really know how they will respond until they see it? People are wrong all the time about *what they say they want*. Advertisers and marketers learned a long time to watch what people do, not what they say.

We'll see in the coming weeks how the public really likes this ticket. I for one think it is the best possible choice for Obama given the field of candidates, all with some negatives.

And fwiw, McBush has far worse options. That will be fun to watch.

Posted by: Kelly | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter. McCain was a POW! He couldn't cheat, lie, dissemble or fart. He's so virtuous, he didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings that he has a few more houses than the average American.

Posted by: ericmiami | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Senator Biden: You might enjoy grooving to the music better at RNC since they are featuring your favorites like the Beach Boys, Charlie Daniels Band, and of course the ever popular "Capital Offense" band with Mike Huckabee. I'm sure that will bring back a lot of memories of your youth. Maybe RNC will have an extra rocking chair you can use.
I know you will bring that "change we can believe in" to the ticket.
Rock on!
Heather

PS By the way, did you drink your prune juice today?

Posted by: Heather W. | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Oh, my, what a horrible choice!

I was going to vote for Obama, but this has changed my mind. How can you reach so far into the old Democratic party and claim that you are going to change things.

I am incredibly disappointed and I know that I will not be alone in feeling this way.

Posted by: MinnesotaIndependent | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

Pete at 8:51 a.m.: so, at the Saddleback Faith Forum, did you happen to notice that Obama wore a flag pin but McCain didn't? When will you let go of the silly insanity that wearing jewelry determines your patriotism?

Posted by: mtjester | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

This is not a good ticket. It does not excite people. Hilary would have been the best VP choice if democrats wanted to win the election. This thing is now gone and McCain will be the next President of the United States. Why Obama never vetted Hilary for VP?.

Although he is loosing, I still support Obama's historic candidacy. He wrote the history but lost the final lap of the race. That is my conclusion. No need to wait until Nov 4!

Tim
Arlington, VA

Posted by: Tim | August 23, 2008 10:02 AM | Report abuse

As one who doesn't live in the land of the free, I love to watch y'all spinning in the wind. Of course whoever gets picked this time out, it will be a bad choice. That's the Anmerican way!

keep on screwin up, it makes for a great global show!

Posted by: unamerican | August 23, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Biden will be Obama's attack dog during the campaign. He will get his hands dirty while tearing McCain down, leaving Obama clean. Biden will excel in a role like this.

Posted by: max72118 | August 23, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

Claus from Finland: "The split in the democratic party will get McCain elected."

Don't underestimate the effect that Bob Barr's candidacy will have on the jaded Republican rank and file who have watched the party of small government obliterate the budget.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | August 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

"Im sick and tired of this lack of experience crap! Neither Clinton, Reagan, or Carter Had been to Washington and they were elected president "

Reagan ran California which is bigger than most countries. He had experience. Carter didn't have experience and it showed.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

all these Hillary dead-enders who say you'll vote for McCain - did you watch last Saturday when McCain bragged about an unblemished pro-life record?

Did you watch his answer about which Supreme Court judges he would not have appointed? His admiration for Scalia?

When your daughter dies from a coat hanger abortion, and you look where the blame lies, look in the mirror.

Posted by: hmpierson | August 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

I cant beleive people kept saying obama pionned change and picked a old washington insider, how can you make change not to use an insider obama every body think he is a novice but you' ve got to give him some credit with his jugment. you need a rebele to denounce the notorious rebele I think that a smart move.

Posted by: jonas pierre-louis | August 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Dave | August 23, 2008 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Biden and Obama ?
Now that is the true "BO" ticket
....it stinks

Posted by: George Custer | August 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

I can not stand Bush, but ask yourself is your life better, worse, or the same as it was 8 years ago? I'm telling you, it doesn't matter, except for the ones put in harms way.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

Hahaha The candidate for change chooses "the most typical white person " senator in Congress. Now that's what I call CHANGE.

Posted by: SteveP927 | August 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Where are you Hillary???
As if we need another example of poor judgement.
Joe Biden, a politician who has slopped at the public trough all his working life, no administrative, military or business experience...but a loud mouth. please someone, is there any legislation in over 30 years in the Senate with his name on it????
Bad choice, a sure looser in November
Where are you Hillary?

Posted by: starryperdun | August 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

The Democratic Party comes up one taco short of a Mexican special platter on this one.

Posted by: John Winston Pillsbury IV | August 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

To Jess, good job defending yourself and your generation. Young minds generate new innovative ideas, rather than clinging to archaic ways because they don't understand the concept of or are afraid real progress. Thanks for paying attention and doing the research. Spread the word to your young friends that the US can rise again as a leader of the free world (leading by example) rather than a "hated war machine" and a bully who's intellectual nest egg has been depleated, as charismatic diplomats rather than instigaters of conflict, as investors in education, as friends rather than foes. Remember, nothing has ever been accomplished by not talking to the other side. It hasn't worked with Cuba and won't work with Iran. In order to have "any" measure of influence against terrorism, oppression and such, the US MUST have the respect and admiration of the world. We will never obtain this if we are perceived as Christian Crusaders. Fear not the label of "liberal". Where it proudly as the origin of this word is "liberty". It stands for more freedom, not less. It does not stand for more welfare or less security. Those are ideas manufactured by right in an effort to scare Americans. Remember, the rest of the world does not see Americans as we see ourselves. We are hard working, good caring giving peace loving people. I don't know about the rest of ya, but I want the world to know this.

Posted by: tls | August 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Well the Rupublican creeps have really came out on this. Is there a full moon out there???

Posted by: westexacan | August 23, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

@ JIM
It is easy to take the train home when you live a stone's throw away from the Capitol. Are you suggesting other senators waste time commuting to and from work every day !! then you are a bigger idiot then Obama.

Incidentally Biden is supposedly the poorest senator - negative net worth of $300K - imagine what the deficit of this country is going to look like if this ticket ever gets elected.

Ofcourse the good thing is this ticket would never win - just like the previous two

Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: Bill O'Bama | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Biden might be the best choice on an objective basis, but Politics is rarely objective. It's about energizing your base to go out and vote and tippin' the undecideds your way. Time will tell.

Posted by: Rick | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

"...The pick suggests to me that some of the criticism of Barack as elitist may have a germ of truth."

Posted by: Joe | August 23, 2008 8:33 AM

Well done, Joe. I'm sure the rest of the silly little GOP commenter brigade will be very impressed.

Posted by: Shea N. Funderburke | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

For those Hillary supporters that still want to support a woman, consider Green candidate Cynthia McKinney, former six-term congresswoman. She's strong on the issues and even selected another woman, Rosa Clemente, for her vice-presidential candidate. Why spend your vote on patriarch McCain when you can vote for a woman?

Posted by: Zeleni | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is smarter and more experinced than Obama .... and I still would not vote for them. They are both socialist liberals. One knows he is and the other dosen't .... Both do not hold my views of America.


Posted by: Mark Wright | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

Republicans vs. Democrats.

No matter who wins, we lose.

So, on Election Day, exercise your Constitutional right to vote! Remember to pretend you're making a difference when you do!

Can't anyone see that this is all just bread and circuses?

Posted by: D. Hicks | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I dont mind that Obama sold out to aipac. I'm christian, and I won't let anyone touch Jesus's birthplace!!!

Posted by: Jewish Byadoption | August 23, 2008 10:07 AM | Report abuse

I think it is interesting that, in contrast to Kennedy's nomination in 1960, no one today seems to think it is of any significance that Biden is Roman Catholic. So I suppose we've made at least *some* progress since then! *;-)

Posted by: wfz | August 23, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Biden is probably the best choice Obama could make. Obama needs a running mate that doesn't have the baggage Hillary carries, and needs someone who can get down in the trenches and mix it up with McCain.

Sure, Joe has the tendency to speak his mind -- even if it is uncomfortable for those around him. But he knows McCain better than anyone, and knows how to get under McCain's skin.

The added bonus is that of all the candidates that ran in the primaries -- Republican and Democrat -- he had the best credentials as far as experience.

Obama didn't need a running mate that was like him, he needed one that could BALANCE him.

It is funny to read the comments here complaining about Obama choosing Biden. It seems to me that regardless of who Obama picked, someone is going to find fault with it.

If you support the Democratic ticket at all, quit looking for the negatives -- you will always find them -- look at putting the Democrats back in the White House and restoring our democracy again.

Posted by: DJ Allyn | August 23, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Everyone in Hillary's inner-circle knows that she DID NOT want the job as VP. She can't come out and say that, she wants to look like she'd support the party in anyway she wants to. But she's much rather be a powerful senator than #2 in the White House...again.

Obama couldn't choose Hillary so stop holding it against him. She didn't want the job.

Posted by: G | August 23, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a great choice. He'll be a viscous attack dog in the election. McSame doesn't stand a chance.

Posted by: ray ray | August 23, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

I was predicting that to be able to win and history making in the US, Obama must have Hillary ticket. else, so many of votes would shift, and at the end our democrate would just gone blank for any 4 years in the oval office...where is all the think tanks, is there any?

sad, i give my vote to McCain as well.

Posted by: Jack | August 23, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

McCain + Hilary = White House

Posted by: David | August 23, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

"If I can't have Hillary, I'm going to take my ball and go home! Wahh, wahh wahh!" Give me a break. Hillary is a fine candidate, it was a close primary, but Obama got the nod. I'm sorry. It happens. Please don't let McCain win because your feelings are hurt. Please? I would have liked to see Obama/Clinton 08 also, but we don't always get what we want.

After the last eight years, if somebody put a gun to my head and told me to vote Republican, I'd tell them to pull the trigger.

Posted by: bunch of whiners | August 23, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

It's absolutely amazing to me how many are trashing Biden when they've obviously NEVER listened to the man. Even Republicans admit that there is NO ONE in Congress that knows more about foreign policy than Senator Biden. The notion of an Obama/Biden ticket is not a frightening thing to me. The frightening part is the number of people with no critical thinking ability (as evidenced by many of these posts) that will be voting in November. Do us all a favor and STAY HOME.

Posted by: Gigglebox | August 23, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

The best way to bring about "change" is to partner with an experienced DC insider. Without Cheney, how else could Bush have successfully enacted his horrific agenda? With Biden, Obama can now deliver on his promise and undo the damage that has been wrought on this great country of ours. Bravo Obama!

Posted by: Matt | August 23, 2008 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Just the pick I was hoping for. Small NE state is a plus in my book, and Biden is great.

The Obama/Biden ticket has my vote right now, and I'm not sure there's anyone McCain could pick who would surpass this team.

Posted by: Independent moderate in RI | August 23, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

We will see. As that three-quarters of those polled, and the population they represent, get to know Joe Biden many of those intending to vote for McCain or who are undecided will vote for Obama-Biden.

Joe Biden is a rock-solid, ultra-competent American leader in foreign relations, judiciary and domestic policy. Together, Biden and Obama will lead this nation out of our dark days of national dengue and the destruction of our democracy put on us by Bush, Cheney and Rove.

In making this nation whole again they will clear the path for real Republicans to regain control of their Party and show the world what a real democracy can do for humankind and the planet.

Posted by: 2incorrigible | August 23, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

At the Democratic debates, everyone kept saying "I agree with what Joe (Biden) said."

When everyone peed in their pants when asked if they would send troops to Darfur, Biden was the only one with the courage to say "Yes, absolutely."

Biden was my choice for President. That "plagarism" crap was just that. He attributed that quote accurately a number of times, one of his opponents got a tape of the one time he didn't. In these Youtube times, you would be able to find dozens of clips of him giving credit for that section of his speech to the British politician he was supposedly plagarizing.

As for negating the "change" platform, he's going to be VP, not President. Obama will be making the final decisions.

Posted by: hmpierson | August 23, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

To all of the disappointed Hillary supporters:
Obama was not my first choice-I feel like Ron Paul is the only statesman that was running. But our election process works by a process of elimination and so we are left with picking the best option of what remains, which is not always our first choice.

To let our egos get involved and say "my favorite wasn't chosen so I am going to be spiteful and vote for McCain" is not very supportive of the Democratic process, more of a childish reaction than a responsible voter.

Obama would be far more like Hillary than McCain would ever be.

Posted by: Geoffrey | August 23, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

With the Biden selection, the Demo ticket just went from big liberal to extremely big liberal and away from the founding fathers of this country on moral issues. Joe Biden may be good DC insider, but I hope enough Democrats will see through the whole thing and realize that having the first public appearance in the "Lincoln capital" of Springfield is certainly not what President Lincoln would appreciate. It's a ploy to deceive Americans into thinking Obama and Biden are on the same page with our 16th president. They are a long way from that.

Posted by: Dub in north Georgia | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the best choice Obama could have made--after Hillary, of, course! Go Obama/Biden!

Posted by: Judy, Harrisburg, PA | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

For all of you Clinton supporters that are still salty... realize this .. HELLO .. Do you NOT think she will have a huge role in the Obama/Biden White House (there is no doubt she WILL BE senior staff) .... Do you think she will be involved at all with Mr. McCain???.. Lose the "I'm taking my ball and going home attitude... " and grow up .. Clinton publicly supports Obama ... McCain is clearly a 3rd Bush term .. and your anger will hurt this country .. and then what point will you prove when we are worse off then we are now .. the last 8 years need to end .. Clinton is happy about the Biden choice .. maybe you should follow her lead.

Posted by: Michael | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

by Elder,"...if they win, they are going so siphon out more of your money than you will ever realize." Really. I sure realize how much has been siphoned in the last 8 years.

8 years ago the budget was in surplus. This year gas has been over $4.00/gal. China owns a huge chunk of our HUGE debt (wonder when they will for close).

McCain may have been a patriot once long ago. With a voting record 95% Bush supportive he is a traitor - just like Bush.

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The only thing McCain did was go to war. Just like millions of other guys. The GOP trashed Kerry and he was in the thick of it. John McCain crashed 5 planes and sat out the war while being captured. I don't know where he get this big war hero status from. That's right, the press. The imaginary maverick.

Posted by: Mike | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Some people posting here sounds like they live on another planet.Since when did wisdom and brilliance become negative traits in a person in America?....The answer: since GWB and Chenney got sworn in. You people should wake up from your slumber, another 4 years of McBush type policies will simply ruin us...as a nation.I mean total bankruptcy!

Posted by: dave | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

In the first place, Harvard Law School is not that hard to get into, it is Harvard College (undergraduate) that is extremely selective. Even if you credit Obama with being smart (as opposed to slick and devious), he still is intellectually lazy. He hasn't bothered to study issues in depth or actually do ANYTHING in depth. Hillary Clinton has been diligently studying all the issues since arriving in the Senate, while Obama got bored his first year and concentrated on his self-promoting autobiography. Yet if I continue to support Clinton and fail to back an arrogant, unqualified dilettante I am accused of being vindictive. I prefer to call it being principled and insightful.

Posted by: Marross | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Well, Scary Barry Psychobama has picked a lefty that is as nutty as he is. McCain's job just got a lot easier:)Thanks Barry!The only change will be what's left in everyone's pockets on 4/16:( It's gonna be fun to demolish Hilldog in '12!

Posted by: Redblood!!!! | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Biden is not a good running mate. I know him myself, and he is a very very sexist man. Not a good chioce.

Posted by: Unknown | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

The ticket would have been much better if the protagonists' roles were reversed.

As it is I will vote Republican for president and 100% Deocratic for Congress.

Posted by: RZN | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I've been around long enough to know that it doesn’t make much of a difference who ends up in office. Obama, McCain.. Whatever.. Very few presidents are able to make the kind of drastic changes Obama proposes. Don’t fool yourself; Obama is a politician feeding off of what the American people want to hear. The Biden selection only supports that statement. I suppose by selecting Binden as a running mate Obama won’t play the “age” or “lifetime politician” card against McCain – at least I don’t have to hear that anymore. I’m willing to bet, regardless who ends up in office, not much will change.
Wait a minute, didn’t congress vow to make lots of changes last election, how has that worked out?

Posted by: Optimist... Not... | August 23, 2008 10:11 AM | Report abuse

I personally hoped for Caroline Kennedy as Obama's VP choice - popular, smart, independent and media savvy. Biden's a safe pick but not likely to sway the electorate. The Republicans are more likely to melt down with their VP choice unless he (or she) is a McCain clone. We're waiting...

Posted by: Mark in rural GA | August 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse


At the very least, Biden is intelligent, and that is far more than we have in either Presidential candidate, and far far far more than we've had in Cheney, and his delusional crew of MORONS.

I hope he is also realistic, able to face some very difficult problems.

Again, how did he vote on FISA?

Posted by: Mordant Cowboy | August 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Good choice from Obama.

Problem is, that all the candidates present flaws: Kaine's inexperience on the national stage; Sebelius potential to alienate Hilary and her supporters because Obama would have chosen a different woman; Bayh functioning as a a Washington insider and voting for the war in 2002 etc. Biden's problems from questioning Obama's readiness to be president last year is something he can easily offset: he noted that "at that time" Obama was not ready for the presidency......and now, after showing his mettle in the public arena, Biden can note that he is.

Biden offers two useful qualities: he's strong on matters of national security and foreign policy (and knows how Washington works), and is verbally adept enough to be the attack dog Obama needs going forward. My favorite sound bite from the primary debates came from Biden re Guiliani: "His entire position consists of a noun, a verb and 9-1-1!"

Let the good times roll!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Obama's pick has nothing to do with anything except good old fashion'd numbers and politics. With Biden, his numbers tells him that he picks up PA, and a greater percentage of on the fence white voters, than what his other options turn-out. PA is an important state overall. If we was a real candidate of change, he would've gone outside the beltway, way outside, and at least gone through a vettin process for some "out of the box" options - at least that way he could've come back and said, that he at least looked at real change candidates but the election being the prize, he etc. etc. etc. That would've been a more credible spin and build up for the Biden choice. Right now, this ticket is in trouble - once the hype dies down, and over thirty + years Biden is bound to have skeletons that he's even forgotten about. Get ready.

Posted by: peterm | August 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Mark Wright: "They are both socialist liberals."

Behold the fruits of 20 years of right wing hate media. Walking billboards for education reform, these people are.

Posted by: Tim B, Dallas, TX | August 23, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

"Even Republicans admit that there is NO ONE in Congress that knows more about foreign policy than Senator Biden"

Give me a break. I've not heard one GOP leader say something so ridiculous. Cite your sources.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

By selecting Biden, Obama has at least given union leaders supporting him an opportunity to convince their members to vote for Obama. Most people do not realize that a large percentage of rank and file union members (e.g., police officers, firefighters, construction workers) are not tree hugging, liberal extremists. Those union members lean towards being fiscally and socially conservative, pro-life, pro-military, etc. They are, in fact, the same moderate voters that Hillary showed Obama has trouble winning over. The are also the very voters that find John McCain to be a safe alternative to Obama.

Biden also has very strong support amongst the moderate union members. Picking Biden makes it a lot easier for these union members to vote for Obama. At the very least, they can internalize a vote for Obama as an endorsement of Biden rather than support of Obama whom they do not really like.

I think the same analysis will apply to non-union members with similar political ideology as the union members discussed.

At the very least, Biden is not going to lose Obama votes as Tim Kaine and some of the other potential VPs might have. As inexplicably close as this race is, not losing votes could be enough for Obama.

Posted by: Union Guy | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

VP choices usually don't help win elections, though a bad choice can hurt a Presidential candidate's chances. Obama chose well in picking Biden. He will be a solid surrogate and an excellent addition to the cabinet when they are elected. Biden's not a 'yes' man and he's someone with mature judgment and a strong, positive desire to make America a better place. Go Obama/Biden 2008!

Posted by: Chuck | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Biden is not a very good choice because he comes with all that plagiarism spare baggage that caused him to be a non-starter in 1987.

Posted by: prettierthanyou | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

The best VP would be Arnold.

Posted by: Rob | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

@hmPierson
Your daughter would not need to die froma coathanger abortion, if you just accepted the fact the she made a mistake and loved her and loved the child she would bring into this world.

Pro-choice democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: Bill O'Bama | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: SoonerThought.blogspot.com | August 23, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

Bring on the debates!! With Biden in the ring it should be one heck of a slugfest.

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Three words ..... WRITE HILLARY IN !!!!!!

Posted by: s.kaye | August 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Hillary for VP would've been a slam dunk!!!! I thought Obama wanted to win this thing.

Posted by: peaceflower74 | August 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

The Obama-Biden ticket appeals to a wide demographic, plus his experience reassures voters who are worried about too much change and inexperience. This is especially important for older voters.

Personally, I think that Hillary was a fairer choice in terms of party politics as the primary was so close and Hillary and Obama have very similar views on most issues.

I think that the best choice for VP for McCain would have to be a woman. Any thoughts?

Posted by: chrism | August 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

No Hillary means no vote from me and many many many others...he made a poor choice

Posted by: 121157 | August 23, 2008 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Now that the pick is made, the question is is the party truly united. Now we have to wait for the convention.

Posted by: KevinColes | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, you Obamacrats forget all too soon the highly effective PLUTACRACY
of JFK. Maybe the rich are the only ones fits to rule because they can't be bought off.

Posted by: Sammy Cal | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse


Great Choice - as a middle class citizen my wallet will grow over three times what McBush
has planned for me...

Biden will be tougher than you can ever imagine on McBush and his idiot VP choice..

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

All I remember is Biden at one of the debates saying that his net worth is $70,000.
If that is the truth, he can't take care of his own family & now he want's to be the VP?

Posted by: KEP | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

It is a shame that in a country of 300 million people we cannot find a better pair to run for president. Once again, I find myself voting against someone instead of voting for someone. I did not vote FOR Bush, I voted against Kerry. I now find that although my ballot will say McCain, I will not be voting FOR McCain, I will be voting against Obama.

Posted by: Bill Mann - South Pasadena, CA | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

no one wants to admit they're swayed by VP choice.. or negative ads..., but they are. Excellent choice by Senator Obama. Now we're ready to finally out these pitiful republicans away, hopefully for good!

Posted by: dem in chicago | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

VP JOE BIDEN insures against an October Surprise of the international order. The ticket needed that kind of insurance. Other candidates who could have provided it include Wesley Clark, Jim Webb, and Clinton. Joe Biden is the best selection.

Posted by: Goat1 | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

The Vice-President doesn't do anything anyways! It really doens't matter who Obama picked.

Posted by: Martha | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Great, solid pick...you can't change Washington without knowing which levers to pull and push, Biden makes Obama stronger, Hillary wouldn't work for so many reasons to many to list...#1 Bill...and Hillary people, why so angry with Obama, if anything Obama should be mad at Hillary and Bill, some of the things the said during the primaries really made me rethink my view of the Clintons and what they mean to the democrating party...I mean the Jesse Jackson comment in S.C. The "spade work" commment from Hillary...all of her unpaid endorsements of McCain, she's the worst...all the rest had various matchup issues with Obama...Biden is a perfect fit...it is strange though that he would be around McCain's age if he chose to run after a possible 8 years of Obama Biden...I love the right wing nonsense about socialist Liberals, makes me laugh...I think these guys can end up being a lot closer to the center than you think.

Posted by: Bryan | August 23, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

roxlaw, you apparently havent read much about the obama harvard law experience. when you are the editor of the law review and you havent written ONE thing of distinction. that tells you something: affrimative action hire. i know terrible as it is. but if you dig around. you'll see. look for what the folks that were around at the time are saying my fiend. (

Posted by: fred | August 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

This is the Democratic version of Bush / Cheney - the puppet show, with the VP pulling the strings :)

Democrat for Mccain :)

Posted by: Bill O'Bama | August 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

If Obama had chosen Al Gore as vice president, I would have switched tickets. That's how important I think the environment is. Right now, we have two of the slickest politicians on the planet verses "McSame." I feel sick to my stomach. When are we going to get some real candidates to vote for? If you make a decent living, your going to lose your shirt, because their ain't gonna be no mercy on you rich white honkies, and on the other hand, we have more corporate tax breaks, and endless war-mongering. We can't win, no matter who we vote for. It is a disgusting situation.

Posted by: david | August 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

McCain's just an old putz who can't make a coherent statement when not scripted. Get this over quickly and let's rock and roll with a fresh new start in DC. Go OBAMA!

Posted by: Miles | August 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

"Here at Protestants for Peace, we feel very let down. We had been hoping for a more ecumenical choice, especially our favorite, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA)."

Posted by: Rev. E. Raleigh Pimperton III | August 23, 2008 8:34 AM

THIS STATEMENT SAYS EVERYTHING I NEED TO KNOW ABOUT WHY I WOULD NOT VOTE DEMOCRAT ANYMORE.

Posted by: KAY | August 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The best part about this pick -- the "Hillary or Bust" people can now go ahead and either vote for McCain or sit the dance out. Either way we don't have to read their crappy, whining thread contributions any more. The round lady has sung -- move on and shut up!

Posted by: James B | August 23, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

The poll claims that 75% of the respondents said the VP choice makes no difference to them. That's astounding! After 8 years of Dick Cheney, how can ANYONE from this planet think that?
We get the government we deserve.

Posted by: bgreen2224 | August 23, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

"John McCain crashed 5 planes and sat out the war while being captured."

I'm not a McCain supporter. As a true conservative, I consider his voting record to be a betrayal of conservative values. However, your statement is idiotic. He was tortured and would not give in to his tormentors. They offered him freedom if he would make some simple statements and then he could truly sit out the war. He chose the route of courage and integrity even though it resulted in more agony.

Say what you will about his politics, but he did not "sit out the war".

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

It's a good pick; he is a fighter, strong international credentails, and good support with labor. But in the end it won't help him win.
Obama was/is between a rock and a hard place.What he needed was not only someone who could step in and be strong, but ( the most important part) move his missing demographics.
The only person with that "star" power, with that much political power is Hillary.I know, all of you Obama-mights will say " oh, here is another of those Hillary-is-the-only-one people..". But face it. It's true and you all know it.
People are beginning to get Obama fatigue. The only way to shake up this race is bring Hillary into the fold.
In the end, Obama's ego wouldn't allow him to do it. And, right now, he is pissed because he knows it.

Posted by: Sam | August 23, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

1st and formost, Obama is not Kennedy! 2nd McCain is nothing like Bush. His voting record and record of co-sponsering legislation with the other side of the isle is unrivaled in Congress. Obama says he is for working with both sides of the isle, and I say he's not! His record shows otherwise. Biden is as much of a loose cannon as Dick is. Unless McCain picks a real loser he is my choice.

Posted by: Tom | August 23, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

This choice is the best indication of NObama's or his handlers' total lack of judgement. ( Let's see, I'm an MT suit... ahhh mmmm ahhh eeeh mmmmm...{NObama off teleprompter }so...... I will pick the consumate Washington creep that everybody just thought was the democrat MT suit until I showed up...) hehe

Posted by: Fred | August 23, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a pretty uninspired choice. Biden is OK, but he's all the same things Obama criticized about Hillary. He voted for the war, so this means Obama just chose a running mate without judgment? That's what Obama said about Hillary. Biden is another senator and a decades long Washington insider. So Obama is not about change. He's about getting elected. This is more evidence of the same. And Obama's an egomaniac because he's chosen someone who can never outshine him or challenge his star power. Biden has already proven in his failed runs that he is not a real presidential contender. So Obama picks the safe vanilla running mate who won't upstage him. But don't forget the loud mouth and integrity issue; Joe Biden was just slippery and/or arrrogant and/or dumb enough to plagiarize a speech that cost him a run for the White House once before....

Posted by: luvero | August 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

This discussion proves exactly what I don't like about Obama. Unless he picked Che Guevarra or Michael Moore as his running mate, all of his lost-in-space "feel-good liberal" base would be disappointed or end up voting for Ron Paul or something.

Give me a break people.

I'd vote for Obama twice if I could over the other lunatic, but come back to reality: if Democrats really had any sense and wanted to win this election, this should have been a reverse ticket. That would have been a sure winner.

Posted by: Matt | August 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

This is a disaster. Biden won't bring any change what so ever. He's alot of hot air and bad judgement and he's always pointing his finger for problems. I see McCain blowing this out of the water laughing all the way to the white house. Obama, your choices so far have proven to me your not ready to LEAD LEAD LEAD LEAD!!!!! He just handed it to the Republicans, watch.

Posted by: Supertek | August 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I'm very disappointed. The only V.P. candidate that would truly represent what Democrats stand for is Lyndon LaRouche. Now I will have to vote for Corvair Ralph.

Posted by: Ratbrain | August 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Polls don't always predict the winner. The election day will pick the winner. With God Help, hopefully Obama and Biden will win. God knows this country is in a mess and need change and the Republicans cannot provide that change. They keep digging the hole deeper and deeper. American need to get out of the hole and prosper and the only party that can bring America up is the Democrat. Obama and Biden, may God bless youall as America next President and Vice President.

Posted by: lclon | August 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I had the utmost hope in Obama, and am quite disappointed in his choice of Biden. I think this choice will further McCain's lead in the polls and ultimately will give us another 4 years of a Republican in the White House. My confidence in Obama plummeted to a point where I am not sure if I can vote for him. We'll see....

Posted by: RobS | August 23, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Amazing that, given the intelligence and grace and wit and valued education Obama represents, there are those on this blog who would even consider a man who graduated 894th of 899 at Annapolis, who can't remember how many houses he has, who (speaking of foreign policy) can't remember what countries are connected to each other. Instead, they're bugged that Hillary ain't the one? And they would deny a woman's right to make a choice? And they honestly believe that the world was created in 6 days? No wonder America is 41st in world literacy. How much further down the proverbial tubes do we have to go before we begin to get that the direction of the past 28 years has been fundamentally crippling to us as a nation?

Posted by: Bernie Krause | August 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Obama may be another Kennedy for picking another Johnson.

Posted by: First impression | August 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Biden was not my favorite to be v.p., but we just have to trust in Obama's decision. Maybe he thinks that you need a washington insider to get elected and truly change washington. But the focus of this election will continue to be the presidential candidate- Obama.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

James B, nice thought, but they'll never shut up!

"I know Senator Biden, John McCain and you're no Senator Biden." The late Senator Lloyd Benson of Texas from the afterlife.

Posted by: You Go Joe! | August 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

one other thing roxlaw, i deal with attorneys everyday in my loine of work. and i have to tell you they are about the dumbest group of poeple i deal with. its not that they dont know anything. its that they never stop to ask themselves what they know and dont know. they assume they know everything. and therein lies their fault. they can screw up tremendously, all while assuming they are right. never understanding the damage they are doing. or listening to anyone esle. or how dumb they look. sorry, its anecdotal. but 100% true. as a group, they are pretty dabgerous folks. henry 6 was pretty much on target.

Posted by: fred | August 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

go Hussein/Robinette

Posted by: Carlos | August 23, 2008 10:19 AM | Report abuse

I could not be happier with Barack Obama's choice. I was torn between him and Sen Biden during the primaries. This is just perfect. McCain does not deserve to be called a "straight talker." Joe Biden does. Now, let's see who the man of many houses picks. I don't see many good ones surrounding him.

Posted by: Alice Deniz | August 23, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Here at Protestants for Peace, we feel very let down. We had been hoping for a more ecumenical choice, especially our favorite, Rep. Barney Frank (D-MA).

Posted by: Rev. E. Raleigh Pimperton III | August 23, 2008 8:34 AM

This is great. Satire? A gay man and a black man in America? Did I fall asleep and wake up in 2108?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

To All Hillary Supporters - Join me in voting for McCain. Let us ensure that she will be there in 2012

Voting for McCain is better then staying at home

Registered Democrat for McCain :)

Posted by: Bill O'Bama | August 23, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I am thrilled to have Biden join Obama it will be a great combination and hopefully the American public won't be taken in by the Republican attack machine and will realize how far our country has fallen after 8 years with the Bush/Cheney team. Any Hillary fan (I voted for her in the primaries) who chooses to vote for McCain or not vote apparently is much more concerned with getting their way or punishing everyone than thinking about what our country really needs. I plan to support Obama/Biden all the way to their success in this election!!

Posted by: Linda | August 23, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Either you ARE for change and act like it, or you are NOT for change, or you SAY you're for change but don't act like it. Picking Biden puts Obama squarely in the last category. The result of picking a VP who voted for the Iraq War and is the consummate DC insider should be devastating to Obama's claim that he is for change. The only change he is for is changing his title from Senator to President. His election will bring about no actual change because he is an empty suit making empty promises, AKA a politician.

Posted by: Tex | August 23, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I believe that the implications of this poll are correct: Biden is NOT a game-changer. The most important news item over the past 24 hours was the revelation that Obama and company never seriously considered Hillary. Given the other recent poll which said that about 20% of Clinton supporters are voting for McCain and another 30% are on the fence, the veepstakes finale may cut slightly against Obama. But, for now, no game-changers.

Posted by: Jim Gerofsky | August 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I think the "change" that we will see this November is more Democrats voting for the GOP candidate then ever before in history!!

Posted by: Francisco Cardenas | August 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the best pick at this time. He is aware of the issues facing America. He is strong in the areas that Obama lacks experience and he is a Democrat. I've watched him stand up for democratic values for years and now he will be in position to right the wrongs of the other party. To often we fall asleep at the wheel and allow the RNC to hoodwink us into believing their lies and half truths. Ask John Kerry, will this happen again? The ticket is strong if you are for the average working class American, if not; 4 more year!!!

Vote Democrat

Posted by: BMW | August 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

McCain has said he will appoint judges that won't legislate from the bench. Obama has made it clear he would appoint judges like Ginsburg, Bryer, and Souter.

An Obama/Biden ticket only tells us that we can expect more of the same from the left. What change is Obama talking about? No way in hell will a conservative accept that kind of worldview and practice. Gridlock is certain if Obama is elected.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Fist re Biden's choice: it is excellent; balancing act in play.

Second re poles: I have an uncomfortable feeling the overwhelming majority of Americans like the package named Obama: his persona, intelligence, eloquence, leadership style, and what he is saying. But many who agree with all of the above may also be a bit uneasy about his ethnic background at the moment, and look to others to confirm their uneasiness, which the McCain (McMansion?) attack dogs provide. And hence the wobbly polls).

But I believe in fundamental fairness of the American voting public, which will guide them to be objective when they finally vote rather than being driven by emotions or biases. Just wait and see how the democratic ticket will excite & energize the nation into voting for the ticket as never before.

The future of the nation is at stake, and McCain represents the past (pun intended) rather than the future. There is simply no comparison with Obama and Biden. One can clearly see that in the normally incoherent McCain, and his tendency to detract from issues & hard policy choices by consistently resorting to more comfortable, albeit irrelevant, zone of his account of prison years although being captured and put in prison at time of war does not in any way or logically qualify any one to be President of the United States. He just did what he was trained to do as military officer while in prison, just like other soldiers did when confronted with similar circumstances.

Posted by: Alemzena | August 23, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

"ask why there is no american flag on the aircraft of the obama campaign and why all of a sudden All the pics of obama show a flag in the bacground and will mr obama come out and tell the american public did he use the coran or the bible when he took the office of senator some people say this is not important but how could this not matter our great country was founded on the principles of the bible but lately it has been going down hill the ten comandments being removed from goverment buildings prayer removed from our schools special interest groups trying to remove in god we trust from our money and we as americans just sit by and let it happen why? what has happened to this country are we just going to sit back and let special interest groups and..."

the american, you have been drinking too much sacremental wine. Remember that little thing: "seperation of church and state"?
Further, I told you to love your neighbors!

Posted by: godhimself1 | August 23, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is the best choice Obama could have made--after Hillary, of, course! Go Obama/Biden!

+++++++++++++++++++++++++

Hillary's not as good as Biden on foreign policy. Obama might of picked her if she didn't sell her soul to win the primary. She really trashed Obama. She endorsed McCain over him in public. Obama would've made a fool of himself if he picked Hillary after that. Her being like that is why so many people voted against her.

Posted by: HemiHead | August 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

McCain has to be happy with Obama's pick. First, it did not help Obama who is slipping in the polls. Second, it ensures that at least 20% of Hillary supports will vote for McCain.

Posted by: Rick F | August 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

to the person who alluded to Kenedys assination in reference to Obama...I hope Al Gore is paying attention, because if this happens you will have to step up to the plate. No excuses...the country will need you!

Posted by: Elmer H | August 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

PERSONALLY BARACK DOES'T NEED A VP,BUT BECAUSE HE HAD TO PICK SOMEONE AND HE CHOOSE THIS GUY THATS FINE WITH ME.YOU SEE THE MESSAGE STAYS THE SAME [CHANGE] I'VE GOT HIS BACK 100%.LEADERS DO NOT CHANGE FOLLOWERS DO.BARACK WANTS YOU TO LEAD WITH HIM NOT FOLLOW BEHIND HIM.21ST CENTURY PEOPLE NEED I SAY ANYMORE.

Posted by: FRANK | August 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a hothead and a phony. He'll be goaded into embarrassing mistakes. He also has an unfortunate penchant for racist cracks, which have been pretty consistent. Wait'll they open the archives on some of the "macaca" moments THIS clown has had.

Posted by: muskrat | August 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

The best choice.

Posted by: adams morgan | August 23, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Great! A perfect match. Hillary, from the beginning, was a relic of the past. Time to Rock and Roll!

Posted by: scrane | August 23, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Registered Democrat here - VERY HAPPY with NOBambi's choice !!

Now I can vote for McCain with NO guilt :)

Registered Democrat for McCain :)


Posted by: Bill O'Bama | August 23, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

The Oh Biden ticket
He reminds me of Pat Reilly of the Lakers who led of lot of blacks to the promise land but rarely to the dance....

Posted by: Fame | August 23, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

If a vice president has the power to do anything, Biden has the power to give McCain, et al, some serious nightmares. Biden will not be "swift boated." He's too savvy. He is the perfect choice, thank you.

Posted by: Robert D. | August 23, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Let's see here. Biden is a SENATOR, Obama is a SENATOR, McCain is a SENATOR. If McCain becomes President (which seems likely, despite him being the current underdog), that removes him from the Senate. If Obama wins, that now removes two Senators from the Senate. It is Congress that sets the annual budget each year, whereas the President can only advise and veto. Congress can override a Presidential veto if there's enough votes. Now who do you want for President? I'm mulling McCain b/c that helps shift Congress towards liberalism and the Democrats.

Posted by: Ricky | August 23, 2008 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Everyone can bicker all they want about who has said what and did whatever. The fact is George Bush and his adminstration has sunk our country in the toliet. I just came from the grocery store where I had to spend $4.49 for a bag of apples. In my area last year they were less than $3.00. I am now unemployed and my Wife will be unemployed soon. Our only concern is how we are going to live and feed our two children and pay for thier medical care. I have never been so afraid for my family and the Republicans put us here. Change is our only hope.

Posted by: Kipp | August 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

you change junkies are pathetic, change what? Your mesmerized by a smooth talking guy who has no experience or credible results. Everybody wants change, hope and happiness. Seems like a popularity contest for class president. You all forget there are 435 congressman, 100 senators 60,000 lobbyist and corporate contributions to their campaigns. Want "change", put in term limits, limit contributions, and maybe congress will work for you instead of business and big donors.

Posted by: Joe | August 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

What a great pick. Obama is showing his ability to be a leader and make great decisions. He is giving us a man who is one of America's most respected foreign policy experts, and frankly, someone who should appeal to both Republicans and Independents. Way to go!

Posted by: mike | August 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I remember Biden saying Obama was not qualified to be President. Now Biden will have to carry his bags. And stand in the shadows. This is so funny.

Posted by: Frank Wallis | August 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

An extremely bad day for the Barcky Hussein Obama campaign.

After all this time and wait, he chooses a man (Joe Biden) with the personality of a "dead fish" - and that is putting it mildly.

I can't believe that Baracky Hussein Obama did not even consider Hillary Clinton.

I can only assume that he believes that he has the women's vote locked up.

I hope that all Hispanic voters realize, that they will be at the bottom of the barrel if Baracky Hussein Obama is elected in November. He will have to pacify the black electorate after receiving 99 % of their vote.

Democrats for John McCain in 2008.

Posted by: Gary | August 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

You "disgruntled Hillary supporters" aren't fooling anyone, you know :)

Posted by: Atlanta, GA | August 23, 2008 10:26 AM | Report abuse

To: hmpierson

I completely agree with you on your assessment of these so-called Hillary supporters that are dissappointed about Biden as a choice. I don't think that they are really Hillary supporters at all. They obviously have no idea about how a real Hillary supporter thinks when it comes to a choice between McCain and Obama. I think that they are right-wing bloggers posting crap.

Posted by: CJ | August 23, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

In a few weeks time, the American People will realize that this strengthens the Democratic ticket into the white house.

Biden will boost Obama's popularity once people catch onto Bidens experience.

Posted by: Anti-Libertarian | August 23, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Bill Obama (supposed Democrat for McCain) says:

***It is easy to take the train home when you live a stone's throw away from the Capitol.***

It's a minimum of 1 hour 15 minutes from Delaware to Washington by Acela Express

****Incidentally Biden is supposedly the poorest senator - negative net worth of $300K - imagine what the deficit of this country is going to look like if this ticket ever gets elected.****

Many Senators get rich the old fashioned way - through their connections, like Ted Stevens. Biden is to be commended for never taking financial advantage of his position.

As for imagining what the deficit is going to look like - how did that work out under rich boy Bush? Or Reagan? Or Bush I? Under these Republican presidents, the national debt went from under $1 TRILLION to $10 TRILLION in 20 years. Only $1.4 trillion was accounted for by Clinton, and had he inherited the $900 billion deficit that Reagan did instead of the $4 trillion he inherited from Bush I, the difference in the debt service alone would have resulted in a decrease in the national debt. But the "fiscally conservative" Republicans have been enriching the wealthiest Americans while writing checks our grandchildren will struggle with.

You're a Democrat like I'm an alien. You peddle disinformation, like all the sound bite limited little Republican minds do.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Who wants to be called a democrat anyway...

This selection seals the deal for McCain. It just demonstrates that Obama really isn't capable of making a smart decision or that he should leading this nation. He is part of a Congress that boasts the lowest approval ratings in the history of the United States. As a conservative, I couldn't be happier with this choice.

Posted by: EyeOfOdin | August 23, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

If joe was at the top of the ticket, I'd vote for the democrats in a heart beat. I would not elect obama, and thereby install a far left president with what looks like an equal far left congress. God help us if that happens.`
Give me centrist democrats like clinton any day. how has the far left high jacked my party, with the help of fungi like move on dot. and (this year) the national media?

the media's actions in the democratic primary were so one sides, they should have been required to have obame say after each broadcast. "this is b obama and I approve of this message"

Posted by: rosco | August 23, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

So, now he has finally made his chioce( ho-hum) let's just hope that the Dems can get 20 extra seats in the House, and 7-9 seats in the Senate to handcuff McCain enough so he can't do anything Bush-like( ie. SC justices, another war,more tax cuts). And, while we are at it let's select another House leader and Senate leader.
I can wait another 4 years for another chance as long as we halt this slide that this country is in now!

Posted by: Sam | August 23, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

the biden pick shows the over confidence of obama. regardless of all the comments, for the first time i will not vote democrat. hillary was never considered by obama which shows he could not move on. policitcs is not for those who keep chips on their shoulders. for me, no hillary means no vote for obama. biden is a good guy, but then, just another guy. if obama wins, there will be buyers remorse, but he won't win with my vote.

Posted by: mj | August 23, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

No bob Barker the price was right...

Posted by: Fame | August 23, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

I love and respect Hillary Clinton, but I'm happy with Obama's pick of Biden. Hopefully Clinton will get a place in Cabinet.

Posted by: jason | August 23, 2008 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Marross wrote:
"Even if you credit Obama with being smart (as opposed to slick and devious), he still is intellectually lazy. He hasn't bothered to study issues in depth or actually do ANYTHING in depth. Hillary Clinton has been diligently studying all the issues since arriving in the Senate, while Obama got bored his first year and concentrated on his self-promoting autobiography. Yet if I continue to support Clinton and fail to back an arrogant, unqualified dilettante I am accused of being vindictive. I prefer to call it being principled and insightful."
I can't agree more...
The only legislation penned by Obama, S2433, if you want something scary, read it.

Posted by: starryperdun | August 23, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Nice site, thanks.

Posted by: credit unions with the best savings accounts | August 23, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Great choice, Barak made a pro move, McCain cannot use the last remaining legitamte weapon he has. Joe can be the attack dog the GOP needs, no one will question his experience... as pro war, candidiate McCain can go to sleep, the top expert in the senate on Foreign policy and supreme court is here. He knows a great deal, and has the mental fortitude to answer any zing the zingger may have..
Barak through 2016!!! the country is back on its feet, economy is moving again, we destroy the terrorist once and for all, finish with the iraqi mess (120B USD to health care, education and paying down the Bush debt. we are finished with cheney/Bush/Rove and their elk...

Posted by: jfk5 | August 23, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I'm a democrat but I don't like the direction they have gone.

Why vote for Obama??
Please don't say "change"
If I hear that one more time I'm gonna puke
Change what? Tell me!!!!!! specifically!!!
Biden himself said Obama is not ready!
I could have lived with Hillary. I liked Bill, didn't like Gore- although I voted for him. I'm glad Bush is leaving, but I will miss the humor of having him around

McCain is not Bush!!! and I'm thankful for that. He is not my choice but he's better prepared then Obama.

Posted by: jb | August 23, 2008 10:31 AM | Report abuse

For those of you who won't vote for Obama because Hillary isn't with him: You will cause long term, maybe permanent, damage to the US and the world. The GOP has already caused unparalleled harm to the US and the relationships with long term allies, our economy, our unity as Americans, our trust in our government and country, and our environment. The GOP, since the Reagan era, has been a juggernaut for fascism in America and the hijacking of democracy by the large corporations to make a buck. Vote GOP and throw our country and freedom away.

Posted by: jonnyB | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

The only thing positive I can say about Biden is this, at least there is now someone on the ticket that has experience in politics and has a backing of his accomplishments. The only experience Obama has is "hope for change" well to hope for something and to do something are different. Hope doesn't accomplish anything. You bleeding heart liberals better get a clue. It wasn't Bush who messed up this nation, it's been the Democratic Congress in control for the past several years.

Ronald Reagan said it best "It's not that our liberal friends are ignorant, it's just that they know so much that isn't so."

Posted by: Justin | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

I am a Clinton supporter but I am voting for Barack Obama. McCain has become a pro life right winger and I could never vote for him. McCain is too Old to become president. I am a 68 year old woman but know that we need fresh, young ideas. Barack is a young, smart and energetic leader, truly what we need.

Posted by: Louise | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

This poll only reinforces what anybody who follows American Presidential politics should already know - very few people vote for a presidential ticket based on the V.P. candidate. Hair Plant Joe will neither hurt (unless he puts his foot in his mouth too often) nor help Obama. However, McCain is already using Biden's own words to highlight Obama's lack of foreign policy experience.

Posted by: Tom Eagleton | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

As a Clinton supporter, I am voting for Obama-Biden. They are the perfect balance we need to heal our nation's ills. What Obama lacks in foreign experience, Biden will supply. As much as I respect McCain's war experience, I am frightened by his support of far right conservatives for Supreme Court judges, his disdain for women's right to privacy with regard to birth control, his blind acceptance of pre-emptory war in Iraq, and his public acknowledgement about ignorance of domestic and financial issues. The choices are not perfect because the candidates are not perfect. However, we as Americans have the right and prvilege to select our leaders and we should cherish and respect that right. People have fought and died so we can exercise our rights and we owe them that much. Educate ourselves as much as possible before selecting whom we think would be the best leader and then walk proudly into our voting places and do what so many millions around the world are not able to do.

Posted by: ilovemygrandkids | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

What change? Hasn't Biden been around as long as McCain? Isn't Biden one of the richest senators? Not for me.Obama threw his "change" policy out the window.

Posted by: Geoff | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Why does this country want to stay divided into the extremes on each and every issue and does not make any progress?

Posted by: Arun | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

On the other hand, vice presidents do cast tie breaking votes in the Senate, if I remember correctly - and Biden could be pretty useful in that regard. If Obama were President, he'd make a great advisor to Obama, while Obama could be counted on to make great speeches from the White House. But the brains behind the administration would likely be Biden's, as he is the old hand. As for change? All new Presidents aim for change. Get real.

Posted by: Ricky | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

OH AND BY THE WAY IF YOU ARE DISSAPOINTED THAT HE DIDN'T CHOOSE WHO YOU LIKED.MCCAIN IS NOT GOING TO CHOSE THAT PERSON EITHER.JUST THOUGHT I'D TELL YOU THAT.

Posted by: FRANK | August 23, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

very simple folks: mcshame=old. obama=fresh and new. we need to break from the past and move forward.

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

It is fun to see the political junkies gyrate over the issues. Fact of the matter is that both Obama and McCain are slicker than snot, they are politicians - that is what they and the people that surround them do. All I can really say is that I think the Geto Boys had it right in their video by the name of "Damn it feels good to be a Gangsta" (check out the last part where the president is allegedly on trial).

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rL9ihXiFAko

Posted by: Luke Skywalker | August 23, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama just lost my vote!!

Posted by: Anonymous II | August 23, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Hilary should be running for president. I will never vote for Barack.

Posted by: doug | August 23, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden are two persons that this country need in order to get this country out of the mess it is in. The last eight years under the Republican has gotten this country in a mess and only the Democrats can bring this country back to prosperity. Polls don't alway predict the winner. The election is what determine the winner. May God bless Obama and Biden as our next President and Vice President.

Posted by: lclon | August 23, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

obama is the man!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden is an excellent choice. The parallel to Carter and Clinton is apt: Change cannot happen unless someone in the White House knows how to work the system. He's also the pit bull needed to fight off the Rovians. And a working class Catholic background doesn't hurt.

I agree, though, he has to learn to curb his tongue.

I'm baffled by any Clinton supporter who would subject the country to four more years of Republican rule. If she did get elected in 2012, the war-related deficit alone would hog-tie her administration.

Posted by: Ellen B. | August 23, 2008 10:35 AM | Report abuse

Obama wants to Kumbaya his way to world peace. It's great to have vision, but he entirely lacks awareness of the truly wicked people running a good part of this world, and entirely lacks awareness of how and when to use military force. Biden will only be a second voice. McCain on the other hand is nobody's fool. He's well aware of the wicked people on earth, having had his arms tied behind his back 40 years ago by some of them in Nam. He has a pretty good idea of how to use the military. But he has no vision for the future, no sense of an international community, no sense at all of how to improve the economy. The Simon & Garfunkel song becomes more true for American voters every four years: "Any way you look at it, you lose."

Posted by: McBugarooed | August 23, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

The words to live by:

"If you consider yourself a Democrat and have rationalized voting for McCain because your candidate did not get picked, you do not deserve to be called a Democrat for you are actually an idiot."

Posted by: Serge | August 23, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

"As a Clinton supporter, I am voting for Obama-Biden. They are the perfect balance we need to heal our nation's ills. What Obama lacks in foreign experience, Biden will supply. As much as I respect McCain's war experience, I am frightened by his support of far right conservatives for Supreme Court judges, his disdain for women's right to privacy with regard to birth control, his blind acceptance of pre-emptory war in Iraq, and his public acknowledgement about ignorance of domestic and financial issues. The choices are not perfect because the candidates are not perfect."

Good comments.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Biden was the only reasonable choice. Picking Hillary would have resulted in endless GOP commercials showing her "Shame on You" rant, the 3AM ad, etc. When Hillary went negative on Barack, she sealed her fate. How could he have picked her with all of that footage sitting out there? Time to move forward.

Posted by: Mark Penn | August 23, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Maybe Biden is the best choice, but let's hope he speaks his own mind and doesn't "borrow" speeches from the British prime minister again.

Posted by: WordRage | August 23, 2008 10:37 AM | Report abuse

I am a flag-waving American, and proud of it. However, I frequently travel abroad and feel ashamed of the direction in which this country has gone. I am also discouraged when I hear so many individuals trashing Barack and the opportunity to take our great nation in a new direction. Please, please, please America. . . can't you see that McCain will only bring us more of the same. The choice is up to us. Continue the bickering and follow the same path, or join together with Obama and bring change to our great nation. He cannot do it alone; and, neither can we . . . but united, we can make it happen!

Posted by: Weldon Lee | August 23, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

I had posted previously, but wanted to add a note about the idea that choosing a running mate who has been on the Hill for a long time contradicts Obama's "change" message. I don't feel that it does, if the "change" message means what I think it does. It's unfortunate that the current administration has led us to equate political experience with the ability to use that inside knowledge to manipulate and deceive. As I understand the "change" message, it doesn't mean turning away from the right kind of political experience, or from stability. I think it means turning away from the embarrassment that most of us feel as we look at what has happened to our country and our position in the world in the last 8 years. In that case, Biden represents change for me to the same extent that Obama does.

Posted by: Deirdre | August 23, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama: candidate for change.

He keeps changing his position.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Romano in Newsweek put it in a nutshell, "He's the anti-Dick Cheney." Does it get any better than that? Also, I think the poll results underestimate Biden's value as a surrogate. The choice underlines Obama's thoughtfulness and judgment. Frankly, as likable as Kaine is I think he would have been an electorally dangerous pick. Carp as some people always will, Biden is an excellent choice. Thank you Barack!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Obama will get spanked in November.

Just like 2004, all the talking heads will be dumbfounded asking why so many Americans "voted against their own self interest".

The majority of Americans who work for a living to raise their families understand it's not about how much candy a politician promises to give you.

Posted by: WaitForNovember |
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You know, you're right. They know it's not about promises for a change, it's about voting for promises to keep f**king you in the @ss like you've been the past 8 years.

Posted by: TouchIt | August 23, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

Small act of "The Obama Judgement"
Well even Biden said Obama was not ready for president, but McCain was.

Posted by: xantiphi | August 23, 2008 10:39 AM | Report abuse

The worse form of plagiarism is the last 8 years was the Bush/Cheney Presidency. Now we have the same team Rove/Schmit trying to bring us a 3 rd Bush Term in McCain/Bush/Cheney!

Time for a change!

Obama/Biden '08

Posted by: Yeil Raven | August 23, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm thrilled and already in line for my Obama-Biden button, just ordered this morning. Although I personally favor Obama and have donated and volunteered relentlessly for him, I was still somewhat stunned during the primaries as the three candidates with least experience -- Edwards, Clinton, Obama -- shared the lead, while all the people with far deeper experience took a seat way, way in the back in the polls. This combined ticket bridges those two groups in a powerful way. It is really the best combination of a new generation of leadership with a new broadly grassroots way of accomplishing true change, with a veteran of the political wars who knows the details of how Washington operates and the hidden barriers to change.

As for this "loose lips" critique, if excessive candor and honesty is the biggest criticism the pundits can muster, you must be doing something right. Go Obama Biden!

Posted by: Fairfax Voter | August 23, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Biden voted for the war.I'm so sick of the lying and the hypocrisy.I'm voting for Nader.I can't take the Democrats anymore.I just can't take 'em anymore

Posted by: NaderVoterNow | August 23, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Time to VOTE REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: doug | August 23, 2008 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Biden was the only reasonable choice. Picking Hillary would have resulted in endless GOP commercials showing her "Shame on You" rant, the 3AM ad, etc. When Hillary went negative on Barack, she sealed her fate. How could he have picked her with all of that footage sitting out there? Time to move forward.

Posted by: Mark Penn | August 23, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

For all the democrats who are thinking voting for Mac Cain, think about the next supreme court picks for God's sake. Roe vs. Wade being overturned and so on. 8 years of Republican rule are not enough???

Posted by: Cleo | August 23, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

I am interested in who McCain would pick for veep. Lieberman? Probably not. He's not a Republican, he's an indy that leans Democrat. Whoops, there goes a lot of conservative votes to Mr. Barr! Romney? That'd probably be the smart choice that I know of (he's big on economy), but he's a Mormon, and religious biases being what they are, that might turn some people off. Moreover, Mitt is a Michigan centric auto industry insider. Do we want the auto industry grubbing this administration like the oil industry did the last? How about Huckabee? He came in second in the GOP primaries and he's a Southern fundamentalist. Whoops, there goes all those liberal leaning independent votes...
Maybe McCain should pick a relative unknown like Bam did.

Posted by: Ricky | August 23, 2008 10:41 AM | Report abuse

Bush’s abysmal approval ratings of 28% (what Truman had when he left office) are only eclipsed by the 10% approval ratings of our Democrat-led Congress. The “conservative base” doesn’t like McCain because he “sleeps with the enemy” a little too often. I like that he’s willing to reach across the political lines and try to get something done.

Biden’s acidic liberal lecturing will hopefully turn off enough voters. He has that “you must be an idiot if you don’t agree with me” attitude which completely turns me off. Thanks Obama!

Posted by: Cincinnati Kid | August 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Democrats for John McCain in 2008

Posted by: Mazhar | August 23, 2008 10:42 AM | Report abuse

AS I READ SOME OF THE COMMENTS ABOVE, I WONDER AT THE COLLECTIVE WISDOM OF OUR ELECTORATE. THIS ELECTION IS NOT ABOUT INDIVIDUAL GRUDGES AND OPINIONS BUT RATHER ABOUT THE GREATER GOOD FOR OUR COUNTRY. THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY IS FORTUNATE THIS YEAR TO HAVE TWO INTELLIGENT, THINKING PEOPLE ON THE BALLOT. THEY REPRESENT A DRAMATIC CHANGE FROM WHAT WE HAVE HAD FOR THE PAST EIGHT YEARS. HOW CAN WE WASTE OUR TIME ON BICKERING WITH AND INSULTING EACH OTHER? WE NEED TO FOCUS ON THE ELECTION AHEAD, TO RESPECT BARACK OBAMA'S SELECTION OF A RUNNING MATE, AND TO WORK HARD TO IMPROVE THE DEPRESSED AND FRIGHTENING CONDITION THAT WE FIND OURSELVES IN AFTER THE TWO LAST PRESIDENTIAL TERMS. PLEASE THINK OF THE LARGER PICTURE.

Posted by: Rosie | August 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

All of those saying they will not vote for Mr. Obama because of his pick or who he didn't pick (read: hilary) are just nuts. What you're saying is you would rather subject the american people and our children to more of the same (corruption, enviromental devastation, war, unemployment, recession, unaffordable healthcare, housing crisis, etc) rather than vote for change. You people are just friggin NUTS!!!

Posted by: God | August 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

You guys think Obama is about change? One man can't change things unless Obama is talking about changing his clothes. He is a stupid liberal just like our current president Bush.

Posted by: Daniel | August 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Biden was far and away the best potential president running in the Democratic primaries.

Posted by: vip | August 23, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

"Continue the bickering and follow the same path, or join together with Obama and bring change to our great nation." Nice idea, but if you expect everybody in the country to change their ideas to match Obama's you are dreaming. What we need is compromise -- the right and left give up a little and move to the center. McCain can achieve that. Obama never will. Obama is just the left-wing version of Bush.

Posted by: Chuck Cardiff | August 23, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a brilliant choice. He will chew up McCain, Romney, Simmons and the lot, and spit them out like the sickly little pomegranate seeds that they are.

Obama-Biden is an all-American ticket. They won't turn their backs on American servicemen (the way McCain has); or continue to penalize the middle-class while offering huge tax breaks for the super-rich (the way McCain has); or destroy our beautiful land (as McCain promises to do); or recruit new armies of enemies against us (as McCain does with his every promise of eternal war and his mind-numbingly childish approach to Russia).

Obama and Biden will have their work cut out for them, first to repair the damage wrought by Bush and his despicable cadre of neocons and McCainlets. But if anyone can do it, Obama & Biden can.

Posted by: John from NC | August 23, 2008 10:44 AM | Report abuse

I agree whole heartedly, rosie!!!
GOOD POST!!!

Posted by: God | August 23, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

CHANGE? CHANGE? THE MAN IS CORRUPT AS THE DAY IS LONG

Posted by: doug | August 23, 2008 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Will Joe continue to plagiarize now that he is back in the spotlight?

Posted by: Mike N. | August 23, 2008 10:46 AM | Report abuse

Can anyone tell me what original statement Obama has made to show how "intelligent" he is? What has he done to demonstrate this?

Ivy League school? Big deal. So did both of the Bushes.

What Obama did say though is that we could save as much oil by getting tune ups and inflating our tires as we could ever get from drilling for more oil.

HE IS NOT SMART. HE IS AN IDIOT.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Republicans for Obama/Biden 2008

Posted by: Rando | August 23, 2008 10:47 AM | Report abuse

From my perspective, all that matters is the nature of the appointees to our courts. That is where liberty lies. To secure our future in liberty, I would hold my nose and vote for Obama, despite grave misgivings. Although I find McCain amiable and admirable, I cannot bring myself to vote for him on the basis of his "strict constructionist" judicial policy. He would bring us judges who are nothing more than the greatest minds of the middle ages. If you care about the dividing line between the government and yourself, then this is your (and my) conundrum.

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

There are 2 things that I had been looking forward lately. Announcement of the VP for Obama, which is kind of disapointment to ME, Bayh or Sebellius would had been ok for ME. I hope the announcement for the fight of Manny Pacquiao vs Oscar de la Hoya will come soon, surely this will make my week.

Posted by: Mazhar | August 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Daniel--
So Obama is a stupid liberal just like Bush? Way to go there pal. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: god | August 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I knew before this campaign that Democrats were not very smart, but the Obama campaign has truly highlighted how out of touch you people really are. Biden equals change? Give me a break. Tax rate increases means more revenue? Not true, just the opposite. $250k makes a family rich? Pleeeeze. No, judging by the comments from the many liberals enthused by Obama calling into talk radio these days, this party is is made up of "gimme-more" losers who don't understand the opportunities available to them...or they just don't care. You focus on how many houses John McCain owns (one less than Barack Obama!), yet you don't recognize that it is the great capitalist system of the US that gave Cindy McCain's father the opportunity to start a company and gave Cindy the opportunity to grow it into a fantastically successful business, which allows her to (and him) to enjoy the fruits of their labor. This same opportunity is available to all of you. Understand? No, I don't think you do. If you did, you would realize how dangerous Obama is to this country. But, you go ahead and vote for Obama on Wednesday, November 5th, and let the cards fall where they may.

Posted by: DarrellD | August 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

I think Senator Biden was the best choice because of his experience.

I also think our country is at a tipping point. After 8 years of Bush/Cheney dismantling our constitution, we may be able to step back from the precipice with an Obama presidency, but with a McCain presidency I'm convinced we'll be hurled irrevocably over the edge.

Hillary ran the best race she could, and it simply wasn't good enough. I understand the disappointment and anger that some Hillary supporter have, but I hope they get behind Obama because the alternative is disaster. At the start of the Democratic primaries I made the decision that I would support the Democratic nominee whoever that nominee would be.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Some of you should try drinking something other then kool-aid
a new direction?
fresh- new?
What does that mean?????
That description could apply to any leader of any country, throughout history- good or bad!!
But to keep it simple for you;
Wasn't Bush a change from the Clinton administration? Did you like that change?
Change does not mean "better"

Posted by: jb | August 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: HemiHead
It looks like the McCant's are getting desperate. The press has your poll numbers going up every day as you make fool's of yourselves. I'm sorry but conditioning don't work anymore.
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There you go again thinking I'm a McCain supporter. The poll numbers are going up everyday for Obama?!?! Is Obama putting hallucinogens in your Kool Aid? McCain is ROFLAO at this pick of Biden by Obama. Biden only highlights his own weaknesses with this choice and if Biden is so good then why isn't he at the top of the ticket? It is really you Obamabots that are worried today and not the McCain camp. It Obama wanted to win in November he should have put his Clinton hatred aside and chose her as his running mate. Obama has screwed the pooch with this one. Just watch how this unfolds in the coming weeks when the liberal MSM can't positively spin this poor choice for VP anymore. I'm curious as to what the polls show over the weekend. I wouldn't be surprised to see Obama's numbers drop more.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I really like this pick. I'm actually a bigger Biden supporter than I am an Obama supporter. It's not that I don't like Obama, but I did have questions about his lack of experience, and he picked seasoned, tell-it-like-it-is political veteran in Biden. Biden rounds out the ticket perfectly.

Posted by: BrianS | August 23, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Yes, Bush is a liberal.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

In my opinion it does not matter who BHO chose for a running mate, he will not be elected POTUS. This country has already turned down 2 consecutive leftist socialist with better resumes than his for this job. I can not see the electorate voting for BHO, he is further left than Gore or Kerry. The problem w/ BHO is that in order to be nominated he had to be honest about who he is to satisfy the ultra-leftist of the Democrat Party, compound that with his association w/ Wright / Aires / Resko, and the canard that we can not drill our way out of our energy problem, these will all be high hurdles to overcome. Unlike Bill Clinton, who was an incredible politician, BHO does not possess the political skills to fool the electorate into thinking that he is not who he is. The only caveat to my prediction is if the MSM, they will have to work overtime to paint BHO as a main stream middle of the roader, their first assignment is to explain away his “Change” position, in selecting Biden as his VP.

Posted by: Drock | August 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

What a load of left wing high-school-drop-out crap. The two of them togeather look like the "shoe-shine-boy" & "fog-horn-blow-hard". They belong in a Lit'l Abner movie. At least Lit'l Abners Dasie May is good to look at.

Posted by: John R | August 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Biden voted FOR the war. Biden voted FOR the bankruptcy bill and against the American workers.He has missed over 30% of his votes by being absent.

He is just another in a long line of Democrats that will do nothing to "change" America at all.

I'm going to vote Nader now, and actually try and get some real "change".

Posted by: Zimo | August 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Really amusing to watch the other side pretend to Hillaryites and "disappointed" Obama supporters.

I don't know much about Biden yet. From what I know he seems to speak common sense. Maybe it's a good thing to have a DC "insider", because the inside of DC has to come along if we're going to make this thing work, 'cause.

YES!

WE

CAN.

Posted by: db | August 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

For those who are happy with the state of the economy, the never-ending war paid for by trillions of our tax dollars and all of the other problems brought to us by our "caring" Republicans, then put your head in the sand again and vote for the McCain ticket (which is sure to have McCain's adversary Romney on it). Your reward will be 4 more years of seeing our country going further down hill.
For those who have had enough and are realistic, there is no other choice than Obama/Biden.
This independent will be voting for the Democratic ticket.

Posted by: Lauri | August 23, 2008 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is a great pick. It shows that Barack Obama has the character and judgment to do what is best for the country, rather than what is best for his candidacy. Biden is smart, capable, and most of all, ready to take over if the unthinkable should happen.

To Lynn and the McClinton trolls- don't you realize the media circus that a Billary presidency would have been? Don't you realize that for every Democrat she brings to the table, she creates four new Neocons? That's why Rush & Hannity were pulling for her so hard in the primaries. SHE is the only thing that could have energized the Neocon base. A third Clinton presidency would have been a DISASTER. In our hearts, we all know that- and it has nothing to do with her sex, and everything to do with her baggage.

Posted by: Jeff | August 23, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Obama is showing cracks over his conerns of his own lack of international experience. Not good.

Obama put on the slippery suit in his selection of Biden. Again not good. He is running aganist his own campaign theme of change.

The only thing going for Obama now is McCain's age and McCain's desire for a military draft.

Posted by: Maddogg | August 23, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

LISTEN PEOPLE CHANGE HAS TAKEN ITS FIRST STEP HES CHOOSE'N A MAN WHO DIDN'T THINK HE SHOULD OR COULD BE PRES.YOU ALL BETTER WAKE UP BECAUSE THE AVG JOE COULD NOT DO THAT.AN EXAMPLE WE SHOULD ALL LIVE BY.

Posted by: FRANK | August 23, 2008 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I'm already shocked and angry that my party could nominate a know-nothing, self-absorbed, slick, politico type as its nominee. Without Clinton as his running mate, my party definitely doesn't get my vote. Yeah McCain! The Republicans couldn't have planned this turn of events better if they'd tried. Gosh I hate voting Republican ... But I'm a responsible American and I refuse to turn my country over to a totally inexperienced charlatan who'll can lead us nowhere but down the road to trouble.

Posted by: Had it with my party | August 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Kudos to the Washington Post and ABC for telling us absolutely nothing. Last night most people were in bed before it was certain that Biden was the choice. Public opinion last night is almostly certainly going to sway as the biography of Joe Biden comes into view. Does America know he is one of, if not the poorest Senators in the club? Does America know his wife is a teacher? Does America know the horrible incident that destroyed his family before his very eyes? Polling last night is nothing but a baseline snapshot of an uniformed electorate that will gradually become more informed for better or worse. I think the Post would be wise to look at these same questions Monday, then after the Democratic convention and again after the Republican convention.

Posted by: Kramer | August 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

Obama shows strong executive leadership in the Biden selection. A successful executive surrounds him/herself with strong capable persons. Such people are confident in their own skill base to recognize the kinds and levels of talents needed to enhance their vision and mission. Biden is an excellent choice.

Meanwhile the know little media pundits and other media types will only see the nit picking aspects of anything Obama does or says. These kinds of folks gain their importance as parasites of the truly capable. Also, the non achiever is totally clueless about the thinking of the executive and relate more to the good old boy; this is the quality that brought George W Bush to the White House. Unfortunate!

Posted by: Lou R | August 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The O.B. Tampon Ticket

What a bloody mess!

Obama should have picked Gov. Bill Richardson or Senator Clinton.

Joe Biden can’t carry women, Latinos, much less a Native American feather.

The entire south and west is now lost to republicans!

Whatta a cross-cultural, gender-biased, change-we-can-believe-in-NOT travesty and insult!

I foresee a Denver O.B. (Tepee) Party and tampons flying at 3pm today in Springfield.

Posted by: JC | August 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

The process of running for President shows the character and judgment of a candidate. And, Obama just flunked.

First, he overhyped the entire process, implying he was going to pick someone exciting and fresh. Then he picked the person the Washington pundits suggested three months ago. Big whoop.

Second, he systematically insulted Hillary Clinton and her followers by saying that she'd be on his short list --- and then he never took any steps to even consider her.

Third, the rollout was amatuerish with the night-time text hours after the word had leaked.

Obama-Biden will be a footnote in history, like Dukakis-Bentsen.

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

NO HILLARY!!!! Another good decision by Obama. Obama-Biden are liked even by republicans. This country will get back on it's feet if Obama and Biden win the presidency. Sorry Hillary cry babies, but you can vote for McCain, you said you would, right!!! Go on, vote for him, what you waiting, oooh, hid vice presidential pick!!! That's gonna be a while, because he has no any good ones left anymore and perhaps John McCain forgot about it. Ya, know, you gotta remind him stuff all the time, he got old like 20 years ago.

Posted by: BOBSTER | August 23, 2008 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I was a dem now I have to vote REPUBLICAN!!!!!!!
I don't trust barack at all and nobody should.

Posted by: Doug | August 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

SolarDiablo--
What he said is not far from the truth. look it up, idiot. Oh, and stop diddling your son!

Posted by: God | August 23, 2008 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: John from NC
Biden is a brilliant choice. He will chew up McCain, Romney, Simmons and the lot, and spit them out like the sickly little pomegranate seeds that they are.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Biden really tore up those Democrats that ran in the primaries. When did he throw in the towel? It was so early I can't remember when it happened. I can't wait until he tries to tear into somebody because that is when the Biden gaff machine will roar to life and give us all a good laugh. Well, maybe all of us except for you Obamabots.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden only agreed to stand next to Obama after he made sure he had thoroughly washed.

"I mean, you got the *first* mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and and and clean and a nice-looking guy, I mean, that's a storybook, man." - Sen Biden speaking about Sen Obama.

How can an African-American run with a racist?

Posted by: Walt | August 23, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Biden was a good choice. Now the
republicans don't have anything to offer in the way of experience that isn't already part of the Democratic ticket. Oh and BTW... anyone who says they are voting for McCain because Hillary isn't the VP pick are just impostors. No real democrat would ever vote for McCain. They are republican operatives trying to mislead, the only thing republicans are any good at.

Posted by: Kevin Morgan | August 23, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

After reading the posted comments, I think we need to establish a qualification test for voters.

Posted by: Charles | August 23, 2008 10:54 AM | Report abuse

JBsaid
"I'm a democrat but I don't like the direction they have gone.

Why vote for Obama??
Please don't say "change"
If I hear that one more time I'm gonna puke
Change what? Tell me!!!!!! specifically!!!
Biden himself said Obama is not ready!
I could have lived with Hillary. I liked Bill, didn't like Gore- although I voted for him. I'm glad Bush is leaving, but I will miss the humor of having him around

McCain is not Bush!!! and I'm thankful for that. He is not my choice but he's better prepared then Obama."
^
Agreed.
My thoughts exactly-andof millions ofohterdemocrats!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Obama should have picked Jim Jones as a vp
After all, Didn't he invent Kool-Aid
Oh nevermind, Jones died
I think he drank some.

Posted by: jb | August 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Biden's nick name in DC is HINDSIGH JOE.

Biden has all the answers.....six months after a crisis......when he loves to spout his "if people had only listened to me" 20/20 hindsigh "expertise".

Posted by: mary | August 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Obama said that he wasn't surprised that Kentucky voted for Clinton instead of him because they are more familiar with her since she is from that region.

Last I checked, Illinois borders Kentucky but Arkansas does not.

Oh yeah, Obama's REAL smart!

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Too cool, dumb and dumber!

Posted by: Parder | August 23, 2008 10:56 AM | Report abuse

His name in DC is HINDSIGHT JOE BIDEN.

Biden has all the answers.....six months after a crisis......when he loves to spout his "if people had only listened to me" 20/20 hindsigh "expertise".

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Obama: candidate for change.

He keeps changing his position." Awesome comment SolarDiablo! LOL

Posted by: robs | August 23, 2008 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Collective wisdom of our electorate?" Now there's a good one, Rosie. If only . . .

Posted by: paul | August 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

The conclusions of the reporters are purely conjectural. First, the question starts with an "If." Biden had not been picked yet. Second the margin of error is much tighter when you get in the teens. It is no longer %4, as when you are around 40-60%. So 13% vs 10% are not "about the same number." These are precipitated conclsions to make the headlines, at best.

Posted by: SurveyGuy | August 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

When I first heard rumors of a Biden choice, I was motivated to email the Obamas to express my concerns. I got a nice thank you for my input on the VP question. Obviously, it was ignored. Here were my warnings:

1. Biden kills the whole "Change" notion. Within the DC beltway and media, Joe may be great, but how he did in the primaries says it all.
2. Biden loses the youth vote and any "young and fresh" advantage over JM. So much for celebrity.
3. Biden loses the distinction about opposing the war, since he voted in favor of it like HRC.
4. Biden was bottom of his class and shoots from the mouth like JM. Oh yeah, and the plagiarism thing brings dishonesty to the ticket when Obama is struggling to gain credibility.
5. Biden loses the women vote, since the other Senator that ran against Barack has a comparable resume, except for gender and the fact she did a thousand times better than Joe in the primaries.
6. The last time a Joe was on the ticket lost the Dems the election.

Wow. What a colossal blunder. I really wanted him to win too.

Posted by: Phil | August 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

No self respecting woman will vote Obama. No man with any respect for his Mother, sister, wife or daughters will vote Obama.
Flipping the bird while saying the name Hillary and waiting for a laugh is sexist and childish. Bush has shown us how a child behaves in the White House and we do not need another.

Serious problems call for a serious response and electing the problem is not going to correct the problem. Obama ran his campaign with race baiting and sexist tactics and will lose in November because there are more thinking people than Obamabot kool aid drinkers.

VOTE McCain 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: JODI | August 23, 2008 10:58 AM | Report abuse

While I'll probably hold my nose and vote for Obama, it will no longer be with any enthusiasm whatsoever.

Joe Biden? The man whose 1987 campaign for the Presidency spun in because he plagiarized a speech from British Labour Party leader Neil Kinnock (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Biden)?

Is that really the best that the Democratic Party has to offer? A serial plagiarist?

As a lifelong Democrat I have to hang my head in shame.

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden appears to be an EXCELLENT pick for Barack Obama, except for his "loose lips"!

And John McCain's new ad using Joe Biden's words against Barack Obama HURTS. Ouch!

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/08/john-mccain-doesnt-waste-any-time-body.html#links

Posted by: KYJurisDoctor | August 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I guess Biden voted more softly when he authorized the war, is that it? 0bama is a fraud.

Posted by: beebop | August 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Doug is another republican idiot!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse

I like Obama's choice. I think Biden is smart, honest, and experienced.

Posted by: Tegger | August 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Walt misquoted Biden--are there any honest people out there?

Posted by: paul | August 23, 2008 11:00 AM | Report abuse

Obama is the ultimate affirmative action candidate.
I watched his biography on CNN, and it is a joke. "He had middling grades, and wasn't focused on academics, so he went to Columbia University"!! How is that??
Obama is the worst development in appearance politics.
I am a democrat who will not vote for Obama.

Posted by: terrible | August 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Obama bin Biden 08!

Posted by: Xavier | August 23, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

It is clear now that Obama will do little to change things. We must ask ourselves if Obama has not been honest with his change themes will he be an honest President? We already have a dishonest President! Do we need another?

Posted by: Maddogg | August 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I've liked Biden for many years because he is intelligent, he is able to articulate sane and considered opinions on many complex issues. Biden fully understands Washington and has demonstrated for many years an ability to work the system for the benefit of Americans on either side of those two aisles. He's a great choice in terms of a go-to partner in an Obama Presidency, and by picking Biden Obama demonstrates that Obama is NOT superficial in his reasoning. Picking Biden also demonstrates that Obama is already looking ahead to actually running the country with a "best and brightest" administration.

McCain is part of American history -- Obama is part of AMerica's future.

Does being a POW, being one of the Keating 5, and exaggerating your relationship with MOTHER THERESA really qualify you for anything other than the history books? How many more "Family values" right-wing pseudo-Christian Republicans are Americans going to elect? I'll tell you: Republican voters must have an amazingly high tolerance for INCOMPETENT and HYPOCRITICAL candidates. Sheesh.

If ever there was a consummate Washington insider it is McCain not Senator Joe Biden! Biden is a true free thinker -- McCain on the other hand is a former POW and hypocrite.

Posted by: Vic Winkler | August 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Don't listen to people on here saying
they are going to vote for McCain because
of Hilliary, a real Democrat and especially
one who cares about our country would and could never vote for McCain, they are Republicans trying to persuade your vote
by saying those things. Don't listen.
Stay true and vote Obama this is the only
hope America has for change otherwise we
are going to face going down further and further into destruction.
McCain is a train wreck waiting to happen.
This country has had enough train wrecks
to last a lifetime.

Posted by: Sammy | August 23, 2008 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Biden admits that McCain is a better candidate than Obama. See it in his own words...

http://osi-speaks.blogspot.com/2008/08/john-mccain-doesnt-waste-any-time-body.html#links

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Where is Hillary?

Rosie! Rosie! Rosie! you wrote;
"PLEASE THINK OF THE LARGER PICTURE", that's exactly what many that post are doing. Obama will suffer the same fate as McGovern, Hillary can win.
If you are really interested in "The Big Picture", check out S2433, the only legislation penned by Obama. That is a scary piece of legislation.
He's a scary candidate.
I'm writing in Hillary.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Shaun, be encouraged.

Yes, he may be old school, but Biden failed his R.O.T.C. course, proving he's no expert in the military so you don't have to worry about him being beholden to the military-industrial complex, he's fought to protect Delaware credit card company's rights, proving he's pro-big business as long as they are contributing to his reelection so he's a pragmatist, and then there's the plagiarism thing both in law school and in the senate, proving he believes in collectivism. He even said he was in the top half of his graduating class when he was in fact near the bottom.

This demonstrates his willingness to dissemble for political gain.

So don't worry, Shaun, Biden may help Obama after all.

Posted by: Christoph | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

PUMA members=post-menopausal hystrionic harpies willing to destroy Roe V Wade because of personal pettiness

Posted by: andyk | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Governor Bush has screwed up this country so badly NO ONE will be able to turn it around in four years.
Obama needs to hit the ground running and although I preferred Bayh,Biden is a close second.

Posted by: Slick | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I am a registered DEMOCRAT in the state of Massachusetts. I am not a republican. BARACK IS A COMPLETE IDIOT WHO IS MAKING US LOOK LIKE FOOLS. HE WILL NEVER BE MY PRESIDENT!

Posted by: doug | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Biden was the best choice--the only guy (besides Kucinich) who wasn't afraid to speak the truth on the campaign trail. He adds just the right touch to the ticket.

Posted by: pragmatus | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

to all the cry baby "no to hillary means i vote for mcmansion" types let me remind you: three justices on the supreme court are about to kick the bucket. stop your school yard sulking and vote democrat!

Posted by: voice-in-the-widerness | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Given their collective penchant for plagarism, if Obama and Biden were alone in a room to take a test, after an hour do they both walk out with blank sheets of paper?

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 11:05 AM | Report abuse

For many of us it doesnt matter who he picks. We dont need him or his terrorist freinds, racial bigots or criminals in the White House. He has divided the nation, not united it

Posted by: jimbo | August 23, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse


It's a good choice - much better than Bayh, which I was afraid he might actually do - and obviously Hillary would have been a joke (this from someone who though he would be voting for her back at the start of the whole thing).

There are people in DC that are credible as being on a ticket based around Change - Biden is one of them.

Posted by: Ben | August 23, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I was already an Obama supporter-- so I fall in the majority who say selecting Biden will not change my vote.

Still I was very pleased -- because this choice is evidence to me that Obama has a high regard for intellect and experience.

For those who foolishly believe Obama is not serious about "changing" Washington because he chose a knowledgeable insider for a VP-- I say "BULLS-T!" You have to UNDERSTAND the world and current processes to make changes that are improvements.

Look at George Bush! He made changes -- they were all disastrous because they were made either
1) from IGNORANCE (such as when Dubya talked to his "Father" for his support about invading Iraq for WMD), or
2) corrupt influence from his conservative base of oil companies/other multinational corporations that wanted to get rich at the expense of the American public.

To me, picking Biden tells me Obama is even MORE serious about CHANGE-- FOR THE BETTER/BEST possible world!

Posted by: ThinkAboutIt | August 23, 2008 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I sit here reading all the comments on Obama's choice for VP. Does it really matter since the huge corporations really run this country. My bigger interest is Bill Gates efforts to try to get corpoarations thinking more about people and community instead of just the bottom line. My wife and I make decent salaries and my big concern is how to get my daughter through college without going into bankruptcy. When state colleges are 30,000 per year and educating our young is a luxury only the rich can afford. Besides how do you think politicians get rich? Must be their business savy. I am not thrilled with any of the candidates. An inexperienced elitist or an old school elitist. Either way someone has them in their pocket. Real change will come once the Chinese own 100% of America because some corporation sold it to them.

Posted by: No choice | August 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

Obama can't speak without his teleprompter and Biden is a lose cannon. We're in for some pretty interesting debates. I guess Obama can't complain about Washington insiders, lobbyists and the Iraq War anymore since Biden also voted for the war. What will Obama talk about now? And wow, just wait till the infanticide scandal heats up, sending the Right Wing into a tizzy to get McCain elected. What a joke this whole thing has been.

Posted by: Emily | August 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

"she didn't win and that's it."

If you are so quick to declare a winner before the Convention and before they vote, how can I trust your opinion on other topics.

Until they have a vote in the Convention, where the delegates can vote for anyone they want, it is wide open.

I know some want to know what is basically unknowable, so they count votes. But people do lie.

It really is impossible to know before they vote.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | August 23, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I would have answered this question the same because I decided to support Obama in November last year. Biden is a great pick. I saw him speak several times and this guy knows his stuff. He's not afraid to criticize Bush and the NeoCons either. Hooray! Did I say Biden is a great pick?

Posted by: Lynne | August 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

John Mccain tried to hit on my 24 year old daughter at a fund raising even in TUCSON recently .
I was ready to write a check.
Now ,no check,
No vote.
Go Obama

Posted by: snickerdoodle | August 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

per jingoist: "For many of us it doesnt matter who he picks. We dont need him or his terrorist freinds, racial bigots or criminals in the White House. He has divided the nation, not united it "

So you think George Bush is really harboring bin Laden in the White House?

Posted by: Laugh | August 23, 2008 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Most of you don't realize that it use to be the norm to pick the person who was second or close in popularity poles. Kennedy chose Johnson who detested each other, but it made a strong ticket. Reagan didn't have a lot of use for Busch, again a strong ticket. Unless your a runaway with the party nomination, you have to if you want to win. It's the reason McCain will choose Romney, The republicans know this. I'm one of those Illinois Democrats that know O'bama, and the system he was taught in. I know the corrupt Chicago machine that appoints there offspring to succeed them, like a birthright. I'm tired of Democrats who say there for the little guy while they fatten there wallets at my expense. Illinois has the most inept and corrupt government in the nation. The Illinois politicos are already getting in line for Obama appointments. The last thing this country needs are those idiots running things. This is why I have to back McCain. He is a Liberal Republican to Conservative Democrat, basically middle of the road. The best argument Obama has against McCain is that he is a continuation of Busch (thats not true) he was not a Busch fan and Busch was a conservative, different agendas.

Posted by: abigfoot | August 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

"Given their collective penchant for plagarism, if Obama and Biden were alone in a room to take a test, after an hour do they both walk out with blank sheets of paper?"

Steve, THAT was classic! Too true. It makes you wonder who is really pulling the strings on these puppets.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

McClinton trolls:

The nomination was Hillary's to lose, and SHE lost it. If you are angry with anyone, you should be angry with HER. SHE ran a lousy campaign, believing that the nomination was her right. SHE made fools of her supporters, and continues to do so.

Oh- and unlike you, McCain didn't pay me to write this.

Posted by: Jeff | August 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

we shall not expect perfection from politicians
when we ourselves lynching masses barking for blood. Suddenly we want change and we believe VP + P must do the dirty job for us while we lay back and watch.

Posted by: bobcat | August 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse


From Bush Cheney to McCain/Romney ?????
that's like flushing the toilet

I'll vote for Obama/ Biden any day over that....Wake up America

Posted by: billy | August 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

What is the world coming to? I'm a registered democrat and want a democrat to be a President, but if I tell something against Barack, how come I'm a Republican? Folks, we shouldn't be prejudiced and make assumptions. Also, we need to accept that differences do exist and individuals have their opinion. If you mud sling, what exactly is the "change" that we are talking about?

If Barack supporters are going to play down everybody who supports others, be it a democrat or a republican, it is going to make the independent voters think about their decision to support Obama.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 11:09 AM | Report abuse

I am a long time Democrat who now realizes that there is no more Democratic Party. The current Democrats, Obama/Biden are very similar to Nixon and the Republicans back then, and the current Republicans are more like reactionaries/nazis.

However, I can not vote for the "democrats" either. Biden proved himself racist with his anti Indian-American remarks, and Obama proved himself racist with his anti Chinese-American remarks.

I also can not vote for people who keep authorizing more wars: troops in South Korea, Troops in Japan, Troops in South East Asia, Troops in Iraq, etc. That is what all three of these choices do in every military appropriations bill they vote for.

ps. I am a white American, PhD educated, male, who is married to an Asian-American.

Posted by: jason | August 23, 2008 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I love Joe Biden, he is a great man and would make an effective cabinet choice. Obama has missed an historic opportunity to bring a powerful women on the ticket and make good use of Hillary's momentum and experience. Understand that the U.S. is the most ignorant country in the free world. A vast majority of our citizens refuse to educate themselves on issues of importance to this country and make all of their choices on nothing but brand names. Hillary is the most well known of brands and could have certainly delivered the much needed win for the Dems. I sadly watched this nation elect and reelect the most profoundly unqualified president who destroyed a great nation in eight years. I support Obama in this important election, however, he has squandered his choice for a running mate and, sadly, will probably be defeated in November.

Posted by: Randy s | August 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

SO the Democrats have chosen their Dick Cheney". Another bulldog and liar in office.

Posted by: EMFW | August 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

The way I see it is that Biden, should Obama win the presidential election will bring with him foreign policy experience of which Obama has none. Mr. Hussein thinks he can talk his way out of troubling situations and that is just not the case in today's world. Other countries now are much stronger than they used to be miltarily wise.

The oceans used to protect us to a big degree. That just is not the case anymore.

The democrats in Denver now have built a secret prison for protesters. Talk about afraid of losing an election and thinking they can dictate to the American people what we can and cannot do has just gotten way out of control. You cannot imprison people for protesting. That is one of our rights. But Denver thinks they can. This was on Denvers news.

And don't tell me that just because your a democrat you wouldn't care. Would you care if the police just up and walked into your house, dragged you off to a jail, and gave you no reason for doing so? without a warrant and then telling you that you have no right to an attorney? That can happen to any American now thanks to the patriot act.

What really gets me is that most Americans really take their freedom for granted. Govt. says to them oh you give up a little of this or a little of that and we will give you this. Government has NOTHING without the peoples permission. Government works on privileges, We The People need no permission nor privilege for anything we want to do, that was inherited to you the minute you were born. The only thing you had to do was grow up.

So why don't people do just that? Stop and think for yourselves instead of saying oh the government will do this or that for me. Remember, whatever the govt. gives to you is temporary and they can take it away as easily as it was given to you.

Remember too that the election is not decided by the people the popular vote is not what decides it. The electoral college is. and whoever has the most money can buy electoral votes. Money doesn't always buy happiness.

Posted by: Eskiegirl302 | August 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

USS Biden

loose(Biden)lips, sink ships.

Posted by: jc | August 23, 2008 11:11 AM | Report abuse

All these posters claiming they were thinking of voting for Obama but are now voting for McCain or someone else are 100 percent liars. Their blogging is an organized attempt by the extreme right to distort the reality of what your fellow Americans are thinking. Don't fall for the blogging tricks of the right-wing nutcases who want to give all your homes to fatcat corporate landlords!

Obama-Biden all the way!

Posted by: stan | August 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

You guys need to READ. This article does not say that he CHOSE Biden. It is only talking about what the prospective results would be IF he chose Biden. So for anyone "excited" or "disappointed" about "this choice", maybe you should wait to find out what the choice really is. Look around - the decision hasn't been made yet (as of 11:12 EST). READ.

Posted by: Godheval | August 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

And the meltdown continues!

NObama '08

Posted by: akrkw | August 23, 2008 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Joe Bidden is a wonderful choice given his history of political success in fighting for the issues important to the left and for his numerous bipartisan successes over the past several years.

Bidden is a wonderful choice in every possible access.

Posted by: Blakepgh | August 23, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

Hmm, so much for "change" in washington... Biden was a Senator before McCain even, and began when Obama's friend Ayers was doing the b0mb threat thing.

Take away the hype and the "change to washington" and Obama becomes a puffed-up property crook, hardball politics playing, flip-flopping, questionable friend having fake who is willing to deny public funds, lie, and do whatever it takes to promote himself politically.

Obama has shamed his candidacy, he even stepped on the better candidate for his party. Choose a real leader. Choose McCain!

Posted by: Ida | August 23, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I don't believe the folks who are coming onto this forum stating that this VP choice sealed the deal, and that they are now Dems for McCain.

I firmly believe that they are Republicans looking to plant doubt.

The Clinton supporters will, by and large, vote along party lines, and will ensure that Hillary Clinton has the opportunity to serve in a senior leadership role. If she supports Obama's VP choice, I would assume that her supporters would, as well.

*~*~* OBAMA/BIDEN '08 *~*~*

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I agree Luke -- all over the forums I'm seeing posts that are clearly being written by the McCain camp where they "pretend" to be "disappointed" Obama supporters. The hilarious thing is that they are actually COPY-PASTING their fakey comments from one news forum to the next!

Posted by: Lorelei | August 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

voice-in-the-widerness : Let me remind you that no Supreme Court Justice will be appointed without the approval of the majority of the Senate. The Senate is democratic by majority and therefore no conservative Justice that might overturn Roe v Wade will be appointed. Stop with the scare tactics.

VOTE McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden is a solid choice and changes the dynamics nicely for Obama. McCain could chose Condeleeza now to set up an interesting redux of Anita Hill facing Joe Biden, but I think he's better off looking for someone with deep midwest / southern experience, domestic and economic issues at the forefront and a solid working class background. Latino connections would be great for him. My cynical heart says that the republicans have no one honest like that, but the reality is they have a lot of choices. Charlie Crist brings a nice blank canvas for most of us, and Florida.

My personal preference for Obama would have been Bill Richardson - would bring an area outside of the east to the ticket, shore up Latino support (who Obama mostly already has), give him an ambassador / foreign policy cred, add personality to the ticket, and send the message to the Clintons that even their friends are with the change in the democratic party as much as anyone, i.e. that it's time to support the party's decision. But that's Monday morning quarterbacking - Biden's a fine choice and a politician I actually don't mind (forgive me for saying that).

Posted by: Ted K | August 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

As I said Governor Bush has screwed this country up so badly NO ONE will be able to turn it around in 4 years. This country is going to need to pull together and have patience.
Go Obama/Biden

Posted by: Slick | August 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I was hoping he would choose Biden and he did. As for an agent of change, Obama is the main agent of change and if Washington can be changed he is the one to do it. Unfortunately if we continue on the current course in this country, I believe we would become a failed state.

Posted by: Wayne | August 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

All the faux Dem posts "upset" at Obama's pick of Binden are amusing.

Does the RNC have a room full or paid posters or volunteer true believers scouring the net to make these ridiculous posts? Do they really think that these posts can actually improve McCain's chance of being elected?

McCain may be elected. But it will be because of the Republicans' great skill in character assassination and appeals to fear, not in addressing the crucial issues facing our nation today. If anyone out there truly believes that the lass 7 years of Bush/Cheney have been good for the USA, then by all means, vote for McCain for 4+ more years of the same.

All great nations have risen and fallen, and history will show that Bush/Cheney's cynical exploitation of 9/11 was the start of our nation's fall. The glorious experiment in democracy may be heading into that good night.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 11:14 AM | Report abuse

I am happy that Obama choose Joe Biden. I am from Delaware and Joe Biden has done alot of great things for his home state. I remember him coming to my highschool to speak with students, he comes to the local marinas to show support, he is involved with the beach replenishment projects, he is the right pick for the job. He is a great guy that lost his wife and daughter tragically and raised his boys well and has prevailed through adversity. When I have contacted his office to express discontent over gas prices he emails and writes back. So unusual that a politician doesn't just ignore you these days.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a Gynocrat. Don't know what this means? Look it up.

Posted by: David | August 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: InTheKnow | August 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Charles
After reading the posted comments, I think we need to establish a qualification test for voters.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

....and we have just read the typical liberal's wet dream. That is making us all live in a communist society.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

My filipino group gives our utmost respect and support to Hilary - therefore we vote McCain.

Posted by: Vanessa | August 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Godheval,
No, YOU need to read.

https://donate.barackobama.com/page/contribute/splashone

Biden has been chosen by the Smart Democrat Messiah. And as a good kool aid drinking Dem, you are not allowed to question HIS wisdom in doing so.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Obama is a Kook. So it makes since to choose a kook to help him

Posted by: Frank Furter | August 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters: she is a de facto republican and would be a better running mate for McCain. That's why women's groups wouldn't endorse her. Biden critics: yes he is an establishment democrat, but he at least he's to the left on all those pesky distracting social issues. To anyone who would now vote for McCain due to Obama's choice of Biden: well, that's just plain ignorant. And to Doug from MA, your state (and mine) is full of right wing bigots who vote democrat because they're told they're democrats by the media.

Posted by: jam | August 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters --

If you indeed still support Hillary, why not LISTEN to who she says to vote for???

Or do you think she is not worthy of that?

I am hearing her say vote for Obama and Biden. Please, we don't need four more years of Bush right wing government!

Posted by: ThinkAboutIt | August 23, 2008 11:16 AM | Report abuse

With Biden's foreign policy experience, I thought he might be a good Sec of State pick. But VP is terrific. Did I say Biden is a great pick?

Posted by: Lynne | August 23, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Great choice, a good man! Obama makes good decisions.

Posted by: springchickennot | August 23, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Great man, with experience and guts.

Posted by: Sal | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

I agree Frank. The liberals are destroying our country and our freedoms

Posted by: Jack B. Nimble | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

This is an insult and outrage to the true person of change. Hillary Clinton would have been the DREAM TEAM!!! If this is an example of how Barak Hussein Obama makes decisions, I'm voting for McCain! What a Jerk for not picking the obvious choice in Hillary!!!

Posted by: Russell | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Doug, i am from Mass as well. Please tell me why you feel our next president is an idiot?

Posted by: God | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is Obamas version of Clinon's Janet Reno-only shorter.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Do you people really want 1 party to control the house, the Senate and the WHITE HOUSE??
Either party!!!!!!
Who will keep them in check?????

Disaster in the making!! either party

Posted by: jb | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"The democrats in Denver now have built a secret prison for protesters."

I hope so. The protesters at Chicago in 1968 ruined the chances of Hubert Humphrey and he lost the election by the smallest of margins. I always wonder what he might have accomplished and how it would have been different from President Nixon's terms. The left thought Nixon would bring on a revolution. Never happened, it brought on Reagan.

Posted by: Gary E. Masters | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Biden should refuse to serve under this Marxist Obama. Obama's change is straight out of the communist manifasto. Biden I think is a decent American who should not be supporting the demise of American freedom simply for his own legacy. Obama and his supporters believe any money we earn is the governments first and if they let us keep any of it is a 'tax cut' like its some sort of gift them letting us keep the money we worked our butt off for. With all the entitlements Obama has promised there is not enough revenue to possibly pay for it. Obama said the other day that you need to make sure your kid knows spanish. It is in the democrats interest to let in hoards of 3rd worlders and then promise them the world by implementing policies to tax American workers into oblivion.

Posted by: Walter | August 23, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Boy, this Obama thing gets worse every day!
I can't think of a worse sarcastic commie, Gun grabbing jerk than Biden.
I can't wait till McCain makes them cry like little babies on Election day.

Posted by: 9mmMick | August 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Bravo Senator Obama on an outstanding choice! Those who decry the senator's choice for running mate were not about to vote for him anyway, therefore look at the truly independent minded individuals who this elections rest with anyway to see the impact. You will likely discover they view Senator Biden at the very least with confidence that he can assume office should he need to, and knows his way around Washington to get things done. Now carry on you partisan peddlers with your biased commentary.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

John Mccain made a pass at my 24 year old daughter at A RALLY HERE IN ARIZONA ???
HELLO, HELLO...ANYBODY AWAKE......
John Edwards was crucified for almost the same thing.
I have been voting Republican for over 35 years.
GET OVER IT, GET OVER BIDEN.....
MCCRAZY, MC LECHER , MCNUTS....
I AM VOTING FOR DEMOCRATS AND BARACH.
I HAVE NOW CHANGED MY REGISTRATION TO DEM.
WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU DEMOCRATS ????

Posted by: snickerdoodle | August 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Oh darn since Hillary didn't get the spot now I'll have to vote for the ole bald wrinkly guy

Posted by: I M Idiote | August 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

Does any one know which of Sen. Mcmansions homes he was actually in when he recieved the news of Obamas Veep pick. lol. Was he getting his massage from Cindy Mcmegabucks.Oh that's right she sprained her hand while spending $50,000 on stuff for their 8 Mansions. I know how many houses i own and i don't have to ask my staff. I guess he was to busy putting country first to count.As for the Hillary crowd stop whining and get on the train or shut the !@#$ up you lost. The one thing people hate more than a loser is a whiner and Mcain is Both.

Posted by: Sen.Mcmansion Alert | August 23, 2008 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a smart choice. Yeah, Biden is an inside guy, but his knowledge of foreign affairs is impressive and he is not afraid to talk a little tough. Can't wait to see the Vice Pres. debates with Biden and whatever empty suit McSame picks to be his running mate.

Posted by: Dante | August 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

You people scare me. All I hear is the word "change", be careful what you wish for. I will vote for McCain in November because he is unfortunately the best of a bad bunch. I once considered myself a Democrat, but most all of the party now is a bunch of kooks. We can't let Obama get elected, we need someone that will at least be a counterweight to this crazy bunch in congress. Wake up people before it's too late!

Posted by: pookie | August 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Jack b Nimble-
LOL what have the conservatives done for us lately? Have you not listened to the news since 2001?????

Posted by: Slick | August 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Yes, he may be old school, but Biden failed his R.O.T.C. course, proving he's no expert in the military so you don't have to worry about him being beholden to the military-industrial complex, he's fought to protect Delaware credit card company's rights, proving he's pro-big business as long as they are contributing to his reelection so he's a pragmatist, and then there's the plagiarism thing both in law school and in the senate, proving he believes in collectivism. He even said he was in the top half of his graduating class when he was in fact near the bottom.

This demonstrates his willingness to dissemble for political gain.

So don't worry, Shaun, Biden may help Obama after all.

Posted by: Christoph | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM

I love it......Hillary, where are you....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:20 AM | Report abuse

His choice for Biden puts me in the 13%. I've admired Biden for years and think this exactly the right decision by Obama.

Posted by: Republicannomore | August 23, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

I think this is a smart choice. Yeah, Biden is an inside guy, but his knowledge of foreign affairs is impressive and he is not afraid to talk a little tough. Can't wait to see the Vice Pres. debates with Biden and whatever empty suit McSame picks to be his running mate.

Posted by: Dante | August 23, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

to Anne:

How do you figure, after 3 terms in the house and beginning a second Senate term (not to mention earlier assistance with his father's ambassadorial duties), that JFK was a Washington outsider? Of course the Obama campaign would like for you to think Kennedy was as inexperienced as this year's presumptive and presumptuous nominee. If you wish to participate in myhtmaking, at least understand and evaluate the comparisons you're being fed.

Posted by: Julie | August 23, 2008 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Old school Elitist meet new school elitist. You guys still think there's a difference?

Times can change. So can opinions. But until something better comes along, I’m writing in Obama/Bigfoot for President and Veep.

Posted by: Mobius | August 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

This is a desperation pick. Either he is trying to make up for his mind-blowing lack of experience and knowledge or no one else would take the #2 spot. Either way, this is an open invitation to McCain to pick virtually anyone for his veep without losing ground to Obama.

Obama's mix of inexperience and arrogance never ceases to provide fodder for McCain. Obama's fortunate that McCain's limited his budget to public financing because they are going to have unlimited footage of Obama and Biden gaffes to play with.

Posted by: Haley Rodman Clemson | August 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

This blog has been spammed to hell. its just as meaningless as the WAPO poll.

Newest American game: Step on The News from Obama, Any News.

Posted by: Peter | August 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

Beware Democrats. Republicans tell lies. Many of the posts you will see on this site are from McCain supporters pretending to be Hillary fanatics.

Even this article says: 72% of Hillary supporters are with Barack and the Democratic party (with Biden probably 82%). So then why are there so many posts in this forum from "Hillary" supporters? Hmmmm.... they are likely lying to sway your opinion.

Be careful. Believe your friends and fanily, not these schmucks.
---------

By the way Biden is a great pick.

Obama and Biden in 2008.

Posted by: Chris Stewart | August 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

The difference between Obama supporters and Hillary supporters:

Hillary supporters researched the issues and compared the ability and chose Hillary.

Obama supporters went to a speech and were put under a spell but can not tell anyone what Obama stands for other than "hope" and "change". Therefore if Obama lost the primary he would be able to tell his supporters how and who to vote for and expect them to follow.

Hillary supporters think for themselves and will not follow the words of Hillary when everyone knows she is the democratic party and will say what she is suppose to say. We the voters that chose to vote for her will now vote McCain as the only option since Obama ran a sexist and race baiting campaign to get where he is and knows nothing about how to run anything. No one should be willing to reward his sexist and race baiting behavior with a vote.

VOTE McCAIN 2008 and HILLARY 2012

Posted by: realdemocrat | August 23, 2008 11:22 AM | Report abuse

i think obama/biden4change is a great ticket; my hope is those 75% will change their minds when they hear sen. biden speak and bring "truth-to-power" to the schmidt/rove/mccain shell game to bamboozle the american electorate once again. NOT THIS TIME!

Posted by: sbv | August 23, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

How did he pick Biden? Hillary Clinton would have been a better choice, now he'll most likely lose the election.

Posted by: Elle | August 23, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a good choice. To all the Hillary supporters who will vote for McCain or stay home, I hope you don't have daughters as their lives will suffer as a result. Please take a look at McCain's record on choice, on equal rights, on equal pay, and then start working on your speech to your child explaining why you voted against those things on "principle".

Posted by: Lauren | August 23, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Leave it to the "change candidate" to pick the old white guy who practically lived in Washington for the last 30 years.

McCain is much more a maverick than this guy.

Posted by: im confused | August 23, 2008 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Biden rated an F by the NRA. Keep your hands off my guns Joe. And keep your hands off my wallet Obama. We don't need you clowns

Posted by: An American | August 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Brilliant! Christoph....

"Yes, he may be old school, but Biden failed his R.O.T.C. course, proving he's no expert in the military so you don't have to worry about him being beholden to the military-industrial complex, he's fought to protect Delaware credit card company's rights, proving he's pro-big business as long as they are contributing to his reelection so he's a pragmatist, and then there's the plagiarism thing both in law school and in the senate, proving he believes in collectivism. He even said he was in the top half of his graduating class when he was in fact near the bottom.

This demonstrates his willingness to dissemble for political gain.

So don't worry, Shaun, Biden may help Obama after all.

Posted by: Christoph | August 23, 2008 11:04 AM

I love it......Hillary, where are you....

Posted by: starryperdun | August 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

"Beware Democrats. Republicans tell lies."

As opposed to Bill Clinton? Honest ABe he was not!

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I think Biden is a great choice! Whoever says they will not vote for Obama/Biden because Clinton isn't on the ticket is a COWARD! Seriously GROW UP..! Go ahead and vote for McCain! Remember its not about YOU! Its about the well being of this country! I also think that McCain has no choice but to pick Romney now..

Posted by: Michael | August 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

It seems very odd to me that by Obama balancing his ticket shows that he's not about change. If he picked someone with less experience it would have been a disaster. He could have done much worse than Biden, regardless of his history. True, Biden has said and done some things that weren't all that bright, what if everyone peeked in your closet for things that you've done? How would you look? Biden has decades of foreign policy experience that is very well respected on both sides of the aisle and I cannot think but that this pick for VP was a considered, well thought out choice.
To all those who are moaning and groaning over this pick and threatening to vote Republican, do you really think that McCain can do any better for his VP? All of his choices are bad (The Millionaire Mormom, The Millionaire Moron, and The Millionaire's Millionaire) to go along with The Millionaire Songbird who can't even remember how many homes he owns.

Posted by: timsloft22 | August 23, 2008 11:24 AM | Report abuse

...and we have just read the typical liberal's wet dream. That is making us all live in a communist society.

obiewan
-------------------------

Can you even define communism? I doubt you can. This country has a constitution, and this constitution defines our system of government. And it certainly is not communistic, regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office.

Do some reading and educate yourself.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Have all of you Hillary supporters for McCain thought about the fact that the there will probably be 2 new justices appointed to the Supreme Court in the next presidential term, at least one of those will be replacing one of the more liberal justices on the Court? If you think you'll just wait until 2012 to elect Hillary, it would be pointless. By then, we'll have two more Scalia-clones. Our civil liberties and reproductive rights will be gone, the environment will have been handed over to the oil and mining industries, and she'll be powerless to do anything. Supreme Court appointments are for life, as are all of the district and appellate court judges that the next president will appoint. Think about that when you are voting for the person who will be choosing the next justices who will really be the ones deciding the country's future.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Also, the impact of Biden won't be known for several months. He strengthens Obama in Pen. and Iowa and Minnesota and Colorado.

Not too mention, Biden is not a puppy dog. He won't put up with McCain mudlslinging crapola.

Posted by: Chris Stewart | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

the vice president hasn't actually ever done anything with the exception of cheney. so, i'm assuming none of this matters.

Posted by: Matteo | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Do any of you Obama-ites actually earn incomes in the highest tax bracket or do you all work at Starbucks and Walmart? To think of the additional millions of dollars I'll have to pay in new taxes (that's right, I said millions in TAXES) with Obama's plans---should he become POTUS--is enough to make me want to lay off several thousand of my employees and relocate my companies to offshore "tax advantageous" countries. I hope you all realize--before you vote--that even if McCain is not the ideal candidate, he will not negatively impact the economy as much as Mr. O will.

Posted by: taxed2much | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Ralph Nader--remember him? He and his supporters are the reason Bush was elected. I wish all the Hillary people would grow up and remember why they call themselves Democrats.

Posted by: chris m | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Well, you are right...
The Republicans under Bush HAVE DESTROYED THIS COUNTRY...
But I still hate liberals.....

Posted by: Jack B. Nimble | August 23, 2008 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot.

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Posted by: Chris Stewart | August 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

My only real concern is we not end up with McBush as president..Joe has experience (that can cut both ways) and the last Yankee democrat to get elected had the good sense to pick a southerner for vp. I will the ticket well and I support it.

Posted by: JohnnyC | August 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Lets go NADER!

Posted by: SMJ | August 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

John, Obama wants to nationalize health care, energy, and housing. This is pure communism folks.

Posted by: An American | August 23, 2008 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Please vote for mccain otherwise the late night show would be boring....we want to have fun with a stupid president again...

Posted by: doudou | August 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

John,

You can be a communist while living in a Constitutional Republic. The law of the land does not change your personal beliefs and the "change" that you would be working towards.

You need to educate YOURSELF.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Brian wrote - If you truly think Biden will overturn any of the "change" that Obama wants to bring, then you don't really have any respect for Obama's intelligence and his message and you shouldn't have voted for him in the primary.

Well, Brian you are right. I have no respect for Obama, his lack of intelligence and experience or his second coming hype that his mindless cult followers seem to drink down like kool-aid at a Jonestown community meeting.

Posted by: Penn Voter | August 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

The New (O)Bama-(B)iden Ticket Commercial.

http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=o.b.+tampon&hl=en&emb=0#

Posted by: jc | August 23, 2008 11:27 AM | Report abuse

A great choice! Biden is a man of taste, judgment, and a sense of history, and America should be proud to have him run for this august office.

Posted by: Keil Kinnock | August 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chris Stewart, look in the mirror!
And Dems aren't liars??????
I'm not even a Republican and can attest to that.Biden's a jerk

Posted by: 9mmMick | August 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

This to Joe:

You dummy, then vote for McCain. You would have voted for Hillary, or Obama/Hillary, but not Obama/Biden...

Idiotic mad people like you need to grow the hell up....

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

Excellent ticket. I would've voted for Obama anyway, though with feelings of trepidation. Biden was a wise choice. Maybe there's hope yet!

Posted by: Laura | August 23, 2008 11:28 AM | Report abuse

My opinion of Joe Biden was made when Clarence Thomas was up for appointment to the Supreme Court. Anita Hill told the truth on him and had witness waiting in hotels in Washington to conferm her story about that so-and-so. Biden headed the hearings and refused Anita Hill the right to have her witnesses come before his committee and tell the TRUTH about Thomas' actions towards her. I didn't like Biden from that moment on and I still don't. Bad choice Obama!

Posted by: Dr. Lloyd J. Minter | August 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

As a staunchly conservative Republican, I have many problems with McCain's record. Add in Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian) and I'm looking forward to pulling the lever for Barack Obama.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

These graphs are unreliable. How many of those people actually know who Biden is when they took that survey? Only after Biden is introduced to the public will we know for sure what his impact is.

Posted by: Justin | August 23, 2008 11:29 AM | Report abuse

no to Hillary means I vote for Obama!

Posted by: I | August 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

It is sad to see the posts from "supposed" Hillary supporters who claim that they will now vote for McCain. These are obviously planted by McCain supporters! Anyone who actually supported Hillary would know that Obama more closely represents their views and that they would be dishonoring Hillary if they wasted their vote on McCain out of spite.

Posted by: Chris K | August 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Patriotism is NOT about flag pins. (For the record, of course Sen. Obama salutes the flag, leads/says the Pledge of Allegiance, and sometimes wears a flag pin). But this obsession with symbols over reality is what got us the Bush years. Patriotism involves THINKING, sacrifice, choosing the best path for this precious country...for Pete's sake, haven't we had enough macho posturing?

Posted by: Margaret Larson | August 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Joe Biden, in 2006: "In Delaware, the largest growth in population is Indian-Americans moving from India. You cannot go to a 7-Eleven or a Dunkin' Donuts unless you have a slight Indian accent. I'm not joking."

Change. Whatever. McCain just has to sit back and let Biden open his mouth.

Posted by: Adam F. | August 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

WELL, look what I dided with the securities and the mortagegs...
someone had to bale out the big boys, right.
I have mortgaged your grandchildrens, grandchildrens future...
I have added trillions to the national debt, trillions, ain't they the prehistoric little bug like critters, well, I'm proud , I dood it, I dood it good....
YUUK YUUUK YUUUUUUUKKKKKK

Posted by: george w bush | August 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"hope" and "change"

After watching this empty suit choose a less qualified man over the most qualified candidate that happens to be female, I "hope" the majority of democrats will "change" to independent and vote McCain for the sake of rebuilding the democratic party after Obama becomes another "also ran" like his backers Gore, Edwards, Kerry, Kennedy....

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:30 AM | Report abuse

"He and his supporters are the reason Bush was elected."

Yeah right. You keep telling yourself that.It was all us...

Posted by: GoNader | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Anita Hill was a hack and Clarence Tomas is one of the finest Americans to have served on the Supreme Court. Obama will be nominating fellow commies like Ginsburg to the court if elected

Posted by: An American | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

I would/will vote for the democratic ticket. McCain has transformed into a Bush clone. Besides that, I don't think he is too bright and is in the pocket of the neocons.

We don't need another belligerent white guy to pick our pockets and send our kids to war!

Posted by: arleang | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"Add in Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian)"

The country hasn't come that far since questioning Kennedy's religion after all. So much for separation of church and state.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Obama did not help himself with the selection of Biden. Sen. Biden, who is by all counts intelligent and knowledgeable, often come off as floaty and arrogant. The more exposure people have to Sen.Biden may actually work against Obama who has been accused of the same.

Posted by: AP | August 23, 2008 11:31 AM | Report abuse

LOL @ "Penn Voter"...your high school edumacation is swowing through again!! Enjoy your factory job!!

Posted by: Marc | August 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it. How do you think Obama will achieve change without someone on board who knows how to work Congress? Obama HAD to pick someone like Biden to have a chance at change.

Posted by: Paul Smith | August 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

When McCain nominates a female VP, the Obama camp will be crushed.

Posted by: Lojiko | August 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I think Senator Obama made a safe choice. He picked someone who filled in the gaps on his own resume. Having worked for a U.S. Senator, it's been my experience that these guys (and gals) don't like to have their ego's diminished. Admitting that he needed someone with more experience in foreign affairs shows that he is self-aware and is open to listening to other people. That's something that our current President and Vice President have shown a reluctance to do. Congratulations to Senator Biden!

Posted by: Charles | August 23, 2008 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Should Hillary supporters believe she will get through the Democratic primary in 2012 if she costs us four years of McCain (i.e. the reversal of Roe v Wade, the reinstitution of the draft, increased deficit, and whatever else the warmonger has in store for us) you have another thing coming. The majority of the Democratic party will be supporting the anybody but Hillary candidate.

Posted by: Mom for a better life | August 23, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I think Mr. Obama will sleep a lot better knowing he's not the only thing between Hillary and the White House.

Posted by: Truth Seeker | August 23, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Godheval,

Did you turn on your TV this morning? It is plastered all over the News networks!

Sheesh!

Posted by: goatrope | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Obama/Richardson would have been strong. This ticket will be have a hard time gaining traction.

Posted by: Lojiko | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Let's see ... McCain's "straight talk" referring to "gooks" and his share of gaffs ... and Hillary's inability to run a super-funded campaign that actually has the temerity to "hang in there and never quit" based on the possibility/gaff that Obama may get assassinated like "... look what happened to RFK ..." ... these would make better choices than Joe Biden? ... apples to apples I'd take the Obama-Biden ticket any day of the week ... and I'm a huge Reagan-Republican ... i.e., I like to think I am objective and not blindly fanatical like those that blow themselves up on the streets of Baghdad or on the US political landscape ... please use your head and basic logic ... we've had eight years of idiocy due to those that came out of the woodwork because of the Rove emotional stimulus ... do we really want to go down that path again?

Posted by: bushwacked | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

It is my experience (as a speaker) that it takes personal conviction & deep knowledge of a topic to speak freely about it. Obama & Biden are great speakers because they have conviction & integrity. The whole ROVE Locker Room politics team are experts at attacking charachter of others, and have contrived this whole "celebrity" argument to sway the feeble minds of ditto heads. McCain could never deliver a speech of any caliber without a teleprompter because he a is a lying #%* & can't remember anything. MG, anyone that is posting comments on this site has access to world's biggest library ... starting reading between the lines ! (party lines)

Posted by: FedUp | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

ANYBODY who wants McCain, after the eight years we've had, are ABSOLUTE idiots....

And if McCain wins, all you dummies will hate him with 12 months of his presidency.

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

nice...........
a marxist and a plagerizer....

Posted by: red131 | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

"We don't need another belligerent white guy"

If this comment was the other way around you would be crying racism. Obamas supporters think him beling black qualifies him for the job. Thats how he got to be editor of the harvard law review. He did not write any articles, he was simply a white spoken black person so got the affirmitive action position.

Posted by: Billary | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Truth Seeker -

Too true! The Clinton's do have a habid of leaving a trail of bodies.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:34 AM | Report abuse

All you have to do is read the McCain campaign's press release to see that Biden is a good choice as VP. All McCain has as a criticism is Obama is inexperienced especially in "Foreign Affairs."
He can't say that about the ticket, except now he'll revert to RNC form and lie as he does about the tax policy of Obama.
Soon, he'll the liar Corsi working directly for the campaign.

Posted by: koolhand21 | August 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

What I find so hilarious is that after Obama voted for FISA and declared all options on the table for Iran, is that people still think Obama will change anything. I find that the only common unifying factor that Obama supporters have now is that they all want to tax the rich. It's so strange to see a culture so consumed with envy like this. The democrats have sold us out the past two years, and their leader gives us empty rhetoric. Vote Libertarian if you actually care about Civil Liberties, and people centered approaches to our nations problems.

Posted by: Austin Petersen | August 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

Zestfully Clean!

Biden is a nice, clean and articulate choice for VP.

“I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy,” he said. “I mean, that’s a storybook, man.”

Posted by: alance | August 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

To the moron who is still spreading lies about Obama's refusal to salute the flag or some such nonsense, see below:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VIyBwkuqF4E

Posted by: racheltech81 | August 23, 2008 11:35 AM | Report abuse

I feel much more comfortable with the presidential nominees that we have to select from. Considering the media drove them into our living rooms we were forced to choose from 2 power hungry politicians. I am though more comfortable with Barack Obama and Joseph Biden than I would ever be with McCain. There is no possible way that McCain would do anything positive for our country. I hope that America recognizes the consequences of voting for McCain (another warmonger).

Posted by: Shawn | August 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Obama-Biden need to go on the OFFENSE against McCain's famous flip-flops, pandering and contradictions. They also need to point out the moral failings of McCain when he cheated on a sick wife. Why are Democrats not talking about these things and going all out? Obama has sometimes been a O'Bambi and played defense with nuances galore. That will only give 8 more years of Dubya. It's time to throw a good fight.

Posted by: Chris Smith | August 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

This choice is supposed to provide party unity? Disenfranchising Hillary's 18 million voters is anything but unity. Listening to our voices would have been unity and shown compromise, healing, a new kind of politics, and everything that is claimed with words by Obama but not done with actions. The unity being dictated by The One to Hillary's voters speaks volumes about whether he cares about our voices and our votes, and we have a choice. Stay home in 2008 and Hillary in 2012!

Posted by: Regan Democrat | August 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Thise looks like the American Socialist ticket, not the Democratic ticket.

Posted by: Rick F | August 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

People who will be voting for McCain because someone called Obama arrogant are dangerously confused about what has happened over the past 8 years. We Americans are losing the very fabric of what makes this country great: out freedoms.

Consider this, at the beginning of the Bush presidency, by virtue of nothing more than being a citizen, you were presumed to be innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers. Today, one man can silently label you an enemy of the state for any reason and put you in a secret prison on foreign soil without breaking the law.

The Republican party has deeply corrupted many of our institutions over the last eight years, and this will only continue under a President McCain. His advisers are the same republican corporate lobbyists behind Bush.

At this time, our energy policy is literally being written by energy corporations, our phone, web, and email communications are being recorded by telecom corporations, and our military is being used to secure assets for the oil industry.

Our country is at risk, and true patriots will vote for Barack Obama.

Posted by: Bob, Dallas TX | August 23, 2008 11:36 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how everyone is so hurt over Obama's "choice". Come on people, like what the person a couple comments before me said.. "He was damned if he did, or damned if he diddnt." Everyone talks about change, "where's the change"? But really how is him picking a vice president going to change that? Out of all the choices they all seemed pretty much the same. Each had there pro's and con's.

Take your biases out of the park, and keep your eyes on the game.

Trust in Obama to make the right choices with the information that he has at hand.

Posted by: Chrix | August 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Flipping a coin would have more impact...

Posted by: Noah | August 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Excellent pick or not when it's all said and done, this pair will be a lot better than the Bush/Cheney ordeal for sure.

Posted by: TJ | August 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Biden is the obvious choice. He's "articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy."

Posted by: Michael, Vienna VA | August 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

It makes no difference...The race is on!

Posted by: MR Minnesota | August 23, 2008 11:37 AM | Report abuse

im voting for McCain becaus he will definetly improve things like tax breaks for my dad who spent a lot of money sending me to a relaly good college (not to brag, but its in the ivy league), and all of my friends are also voting for McCain.. we're all die hard republicans and any upstandeing american citizen would obviousely vote for McCain over obama, more like O-BOMBER hahaha.

p.s. obama supporters are un american i saw the campain ad saying how obama is frends with that guy who is a felon and didnt believe that flight 93 crashed in 9/11 it's pretty obvious from the stuff the mccain campain is releasing that obama is actually kind of un american, so choke on that you dirty dems.

REPUBLICEN TILL THE DAY I DIE SUCKAS!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama for Change???

here's your change -
Increase taxes, then create new entitlement programs for people who lack initiative,give health insurance to everyone and destroy the quality of the American health care system, weaken our defense.

Sounds GREAT

Posted by: David | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Big yawn for Biden pick. The better choice would have been either Jim Webb or Chuck Hagel.

Posted by: Sean | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I'm so happy that the party of nationalist SOCIALISTS, soviet SOCIALISTS, peoples SOCIALISTS, JIM CROW and SLAVERY is going to go down this election. It was yours to win, and you threw it away on an inexperienced empty suit who picked a very experienced empty suit to back him up.

Posted by: Me | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

We're too smart to fall for this Republican hate-mongering again, aren't we?

http://xedaspuc.wordpress.com/

Posted by: greeneyedblues | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

There will be change, but only in the person physically at the top. Don't be fooled into thinking anything will really change, regardless if a Republican or Democrat wins. You all forget that we are a Republic and not a Democracy. The wealthy few will continue to line their pockets in the name of (or at the expense of) the people and the usual horse trading will continue to get things done. Once elected, the candidates will forget about you, so why all the passion? It's really for naught. If you want a real change, how about directing this political passion into doing something nice for someone or smiling and greeting that stranger next to you on the metro? That's real change.

Posted by: Realist | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

love biden would have voted for him if he had stayed in the race,,,still won't vote for mr. attitude and wife attitude.
would have voted for hillary, since i don't care how her husband gets his kicks and he would have made a great secretary of state..so long ooh long how long ya gonna be gone.

Posted by: joyce | August 23, 2008 11:38 AM | Report abuse

Obama's stated aims were (1) someone who added governing value, and (2) someone who would stand up to him with honest opinions. Biden fits the criteria. He adds much more to the ticket than detracts.

Posted by: Len | August 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a great politician. He's demonstrated many times how capable he is at talking out of both sides of his mouth, often on the same issue! However, he is a hypocrite---he is Roman Catholic and is "pro-choice"! Regardless of what many people, even other Roman Catholics, want to think, those two positions are absolutely incompatible. So if he is unprincipled on the basic tenets of his faith, what will he be like as Vice-President? But then, I guess being a politician by definition, means you have no principles anyway.

Posted by: mark | August 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Ebony and Ivory.
Like a concert grand piano.
Will make beautiful music together

Posted by: kj | August 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Obama; Candidate for change.

When he's done taxing you, all you'll have left is change!

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

When The Obama picked Biden as a running mate, it was an admission that his pitifully thin resume needed additional padding.

But since the position of Vice President is essentially ceremonial in nature, who among you suddenly and honestly feel MORE CONFIDENT about Barry's leadership capabilities regarding international and domestic issues?

Posted by: Robert | August 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

As a McCain supporter, let me just add my thoughts:

Thank you God and I apologize for my brief foray into agnosticism.

Posted by: WAL | August 23, 2008 11:39 AM | Report abuse

this sucks.

here we have a candidate who didn't feel driven to validate 18 million voters and make the election a democratic landslide.


now democrats have to do astronomically more work than they would have had with the OBAMA-ClINTON ticket.

great. what a bummer.

maybe we should have a system where the nominee who gets the 2nd amt of votes automatically gets the VP that way the country is not subject to cronyism and insider dealings.

maybe they should let us decide what is SUPPOSED to be our decision.

well, after a long fought battle for the nomination, we have an even bigger battle for the presidency.

they could have made it easy, so what drove them to try and make it hard for us to win this election.....

this is a buuuuuummmmer.

Posted by: amandaGALAXY | August 23, 2008 11:40 AM | Report abuse

Liberals are scary.

Posted by: Liberals are scary. | August 23, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: John
Can you even define communism? I doubt you can. This country has a constitution, and this constitution defines our system of government. And it certainly is not communistic, regardless of who is sitting in the Oval Office.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Liberals have no use for the Constitution. This is why liberal judges legislate from the bench. This is why liberals appoint liberal judges. Liberals can't pass the socialist/Marxist laws they want so they bypass the legislative branch altogether. Get a grip on reality and quit defending the indefensible. Liberals are socialists at best and Marxists at worst. Liberals would love to restrict voting to only those individuals that agree with their ideology. The post I responded to proves it.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

If you are not better off than you were 8 years ago, look at your own actions. Work, get paid, don't work, vote for Obama but don't expect anything different. He cannot even take care of his blood brothers.

Posted by: Alice | August 23, 2008 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Socialism gives all the power to the people at the top, who have poilitical connections and the common person has none. Of course the democratic beggars who have their hand out wanting my money will vote for that.

Posted by: Joe | August 23, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Rosie, you've got it right! Thanks for the great post!

Posted by: Lydia Hawk | August 23, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey - REPUBLICEN TILL THE DAY I DIE SUCKAS!

don't they teach you how to spell in the Ivy league

Time to wake up and be real

Posted by: Bob | August 23, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

Hey Rev, Barney Frank is awesome I agree, but this is the real world. A black man and a gay man --with scandals in his past, I am from MA and remember-- that's too much for this intolerant country. Maybe someday.

As for you so-called Hilary supporters voting for McCain...what is WRONG with you people? Don't be "Stuck on stupid!" If McCain wins because of you guys than be prepared to live with a continuation of rich-white-man policies that stick it to the working class in favor of big govt. sponsored so-called private monopolies in big oil, pharma and insurance and let the religious whackos demand big govt. laws on your personal life and private rights.

Not too mention a foreign policy based on thick-necked bully tactics and eroding your rights all in the name of protecting you.

You can't have your Mommy, so now you want big Daddy. Typical. There never was any difference between hardcore Repubs and Dems anyway. This just proves it.

As for me, I vote Pragmatist. Go Obama/Biden. Biden is a GREAT choice. I love that guy and he almost had my vote for prez. Two smart guys in the white house who have a history of standing up for the little guy...Hellsyeah!

Posted by: Krissy | August 23, 2008 11:42 AM | Report abuse

snickerdoodle sez "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU DEMOCRATS ????"

Y'know, I've been wondering the same thing for the past fifty years!

Posted by: goatrope | August 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/23/joebiden.barackobama
The 65-year-old's appointment as vice-presidential nominee has knocked Obama's popularity, according to bookmakers.

Following the latest polling data, the bookies have lengthened Obama's odds on replacing George Bush from 4/9 to 1/2. McCain has been shortened to 6/4 from 7/4.

"It is not looking as good it was for Obama," the Ladbrokes spokesman Robin Hutchison said.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

It truly is amazing to see so many people shocked at what was obvious from the beginning. Obama is a complete corporate media creation who was unheard of until the media made him a "rockstar". Its been clear for years that the media elites are all for keeping the status quo, therefore any candidate they create and agressively market should be rejected out of hand. I will always be amazed at how easily democrats are scammed and fall for the republican bait & switch over and over again. It was pure insanity in a year when the country literally cant afford to keep the status quo, to choose ANY nominee with a handicap going in. Now that the bed has been made and defeat is staring em all in the face......let the handwringing begin!!! Welcome to neocon AmeriKa.

Posted by: XdemOhio | August 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Lots of haters on these boards. Too bad few of you seem to be able to find it in your souls to respect your fellow Americans.

What's wrong with this country ISN'T the politics. It's reactionary, extremist, shallow voters who are so lacking in character and personality that their entire identity is tied up in a single ideology.

Right-wing nuts and Hillary dead-enders (one in the same, actually) have NO GROUNDS to be criticizing the dedication of Obama supporters. You guys make GWB look like a Rhodes Scholar.

Posted by: William J. | August 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Message to all Dems.....

Don't vote for McCain. Click on "Write in Vote" and type in Hillary Clinton on Election Day.

Just Do It.....send the message to Dean, Peloski, Kerry and the entire DNC.

Mr. Not an American Citizen should never be President.

Posted by: Linda R. in Virginia | August 23, 2008 11:43 AM | Report abuse

I supported Hillary. Voting for McCain because there is no Hillary on the ticket or because we do not like Obama's VP is like cutting your nose to spite yourself. You can be sure that it will not be McCain alone in the White House. It will be the entire right-wing mafia that will reside with him - the same mafia that has maligned decorated veteran like Kerry and Max Cleland and glorified draft dodgers like Cheney and Bush. At least the mafia leaves the family and god out of their vendettas. Not so for the current occupants of the White House. Do you want the criminals who hide under the “executive privilege” to rule the country again through McCain.?

Posted by: PCool | August 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

It amazes me that, after 8 years of complete Republican incompetence and bad policies at every level, there are still many people supporting them. Open your eyes people. Our country is a mess, and it's the result of Republicans deregulating energy trading, spending our money like drunken sailors, keeping interest rates too low, which weakened the dollar, and endless war against a non-enemy that posed zero threat to us. The Republicans have sold out to lobbyists. Their policies favor big corporations that pay nothing in taxes, like Haliburton (headquartered in Dubai). Their answer to the energy crisis is more drilling rights for Big Oil at a time when they aren't using 93 MILLION acres they have rights to drill on now. It's time to convert to renewable energies like Democrats have been saying for YEARS. It's time to withdraw from Iraq like Democrats have been saying for YEARS. No more cowboy diplomacy which only pushes the rest of the world to hate us and drives recruitment to Al Qaeda. It's time to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure and create American jobs. OBAMA, BIDEN '08!!!

Posted by: Honcho | August 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

For a Nation that was ready to elect anyone but a Republican, with polls equalyy diided now, don't you think the Obama kumbanya is over. The democratic Party should realize that and in the convention get Hillary back as the candidate. That is the CHANGE we need.

Delegates NOBAMA is not the right choice for an esay election win in November.

You still have a chance to DUMP him, before is TOO LATE!

Posted by: Dr. A | August 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Romney is not a TRUE Christian!! His cult will lead to the Rapture if we elect him!!

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

The majority of posters above don't even realize they are the victims, still electing the wrong people into office, people who are merely puppets fueled by the interest groups,and the million and the billionaires behind the scenes running the show.

You're not electing a democrat or a republican, you're electing individuals, all millionaires by the way, whose "need for greed" outweighs protecting and sustaing a prosperous America for us, our children and future Americans.

We (Americans) lose out. We're losing our patriotic unity. We're losing our american brotherhood and sisterhood to pennies on the dollar thanks to "World interest" and not American interest.

Barack Obama is not about "Change", it's rhetoric. He's a savvy politician that knew how to kick off his opponents in his senate run, running unopposed. What kind of change is that...that is politics as usual. I could go on and on about his "change", but if voters are too lazy to research this themselves, then it is no wonder the "elite" millionaires, will forever hold control.

Throughout history, its always been the rich vs. poor, and to this very day it has not changed, even in America. So my friends, if you really think its about ideology of how they can better uplift the masses, think again. It's more like how can they uplift themselves, and it all comes back to the mighty dollar.

I'm an American, not a democrat and not a republican, but an American who wants to see the survival of a prosperous country, where the middle class can survive and remain the backbone of America, which is on the decline. It is sad for this New Yorker to see a "family of 3" my family of three, just making the 6 figure mark and still living paycheck to paycheck.

Let Obama pick a do-nothing insider. I think it simply doesn't matter anymore.

I am an agnostic, so I not a bible clinging American...Obama, and I don't own a gun yet. But let me tell you, the rate our real estate taxes are growing out of proportion, and families leaving their homes, by force, because the "elitist" politicians, could care less how much they tax us, then there will be a lot more gun clinging Americans...Obama, tryiing to simply keep what is rightfully theirs, their land and homes. Owning a home, should not be for the rich, but as of late, more people are losing their homes because they are like you and me, middle-class or less.

You all bicker about who is better for America, The millionaire vs. the millionaire. Gimme a break!

Posted by: Keen | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

OBAMA FOR VP!

Posted by: rafer | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Its pretty much impossible to a) choose a candidate that has "experience" without being part of the DC machine, and b) that would never be perceived by the US public as elitist. It doesn't just take "hope" or "change" to win a campaign (duh). It takes lots of money, partly from donations, and partly from the candidate's own pocket. Last time I checked, all the guys (and girl) running made 6 figures plus, and I welcome you to try and convince me that all of them were humble pie/guy next door compared to Obama. That's (kind of) the biggest issue most Americans have with American politics. It's not, nor has it ever been, of the people. So chill and let the ivy league lawyer and the annapolis vet with 7 houses duke it out over inflation.


Posted by: p | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Unfortuntately, this once strong country has been turned into the kind of country our "leaders" profess to hate....and they are the ones who are responsible for that change. And due to the idiots who are voting for McCain because Hil didn't get in means there is no turning back. If Hil had gotten in, it would have been because of racism. She didn't get in, so it's because of sexism. It's a lose-lose propostition that has been reinforced by...GW and the boys. And unfortunately, there ARE enough racists around to make sure it doesn't happen.

Thanks to Georgie and his band of reckless idiots who have trashed this once great nation we now live under an autocrat...and the fact that people still want another old white man "leading" this country proves they STILL DON'T GET IT is sad indeed.

8 years of burying this country. And more to come. Like Rome, we are about to fall. Really

Posted by: sherri | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

It's important to focus on the future of our country, now. Obama and Biden need to come out like pit bulls and attack Republican philosophy that government is too inept to provide public financing for roads, schools, hospitals, worker and environmental protection, Social Security and Medicare--in short they'll let the robber barons return in Victorian style. McCain will bring a more belligerent foreign policy approach than Bush and isolate our country from the world community even more. For the Democrates who want to jump ship and vote for McCain, you better be careful what you wish for.

Posted by: Keith | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

I would have preferred Hillary, but the pretend Democrats writing in to vow they are now going to vote for McCain are laughable. What planet are they on?

Posted by: Jim S | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Hi, Just to let everyone know that Today ; for only the reason of ; Biden -- being -- the presumptive Democratic (see I must be a true Democrat because I didn't spell Dems...well you know) -- I have decided not to do the thing I was saying I was going to do before...instead!

I AN VUTINg F0r McCain

Hail Satan!

Posted by: Fake Hillary Supporter | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Weak pick, weak candidate.

Posted by: hdimig | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Biden just seems boring to me as many others feel too. I would have rather seen a fresh face than Bidens same ole same ole politics as usual.

I probably won't vote now. Obama needed Indiana--kiss it good BAYH now!!!

Posted by: Greg | August 23, 2008 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Nobody loves to hear Joe Biden speak more than Joe Biden.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

'Have been increasingly "disenchanted" with and by Obama -- Biden is an improvement IMO. I think Joe Biden is (probably) the most qualified of ALL the contenders, repugs and demons, to be president. If something happens to Obama, Biden will never miss a beat on his way to the Oval Office seat.

Posted by: seneca69 | August 23, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Greatest choice....... Not surprising... Wise choice ... That change my mind... I'm Hillary supporter... but now I can relax and vote for OBAMA and BIDEN ticket.... Mc Cain is a big loser.... Democratic for economic, more job inside US, no more spent stupid money for war and spent too much 1.3 trillion dollars????? no more ignore global warming... I hope Hillary and Gore will be in Obama cabinet...

Win to Washington 08. Good luck.

Posted by: Spainish | August 23, 2008 11:46 AM | Report abuse

This no-impact pick by Obama opens the door for McCain to change the course of the race with a better strategic pick. Biden will not help or hurt Obama, but a wise McCain pick should certainly help the GOP.

BTW, this cliche that "McCain is Bush" is like saying "Obama is Jesse Jackson". Get over it!

Posted by: Rick F | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

When Obama said he would pick someone who would disagree with him and challenge is thinking, I assumed Biden was out. His pick of Biden confirms my suspicions that when Obama talks about reaching across the aisle, he is talking about a very narrow aisle.

Posted by: Rachel | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Have you seen the new attack Repub ad....Mccain is so silly with his McFoolish ad. Is he still in grammar school?? You'd think when you watched it that he was mad because he wanted to select BIDEN as his running mate....Go ahead John, you can still choose Lieberman or mormonMitt or huckleberry Huckabee or keep Cheney to show your true puppet status as a McBush....We now have our wrinkly old white-haired guy on the ticket to run against your wrinkly old white-haired guy....Gotta luv it....Let the campaign begin! ....It's time to put OBAMA to work for all America!...OBAMA / BIDEN '08 ......Let's get it on!

Posted by: benighse | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

obama biden = osama bin laden this sound a little too familiar, they rhythm well, i dont know much about politic, would some1 please tell me if there is an hidden message in name picking.

Posted by: john doe | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Biden, big mistake, he does nothing for me. The obvious choice was Gen. Wesley Clark. That would have been the wisest selection. Military clout, Biden is just the samo-samo Washington BS.

Posted by: Wild Cleotis | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

Assuming that "society" is collective (no pun intended), you can only be living in a "communist society" if you're living under a communist system of government. Broadly speaking, communism means the collective, i.e., government, ownership of the means of production. And that's certainly not the case in the USA.

Obama hasn't said anything AT ALL about nationalizing energy and housing. As for a national health care system, I don't see what's wrong with that. We're the only major industrialized nation that doesn't have a national health service. We spend more for health care than any nation on the planet and the overall quality of our collective care is way down on the list.

And, yes, people can have personal beliefs regarding a particular system of government while living in a nation that has a different system of government, e.g., a communist living in the USA. But beliefs are all they are, NOT an actual system of government. My personal beliefs do not affect our nation's system of government one way or another; it is what it is.

Or how about a a fascist plutocracy?

Goodbye, I'm out of here.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:47 AM | Report abuse

This poll and the timing of the headline is disappointing. The poll was of registered voters, not undecideds. The majority off voters have already decided, so the VP ticket is unlikely to change their decision (displayed by the 75% no change here). It's the undecideds whom it might impact. Saying that it won't shake up the horse-race is simply untrue, considering that the margin is close enough now that the undecideds will decide the election.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

GO GUYS GO! we need to fix so much... BTW, us liberals just want clean air, healthy food, education, and no wars-for-fun-and-profit. i contend folks bashing 'liberals' have just been suckin too much pollution and not using their noggin for critical thinking.

Posted by: scott | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

This is my first year being able to vote in an election and I am very pleased to be able to have Obama as an option. Additionally, I feel that Biden will make a good running mate, he has experience and he is well qualified. While at times he may same some silly things, we must keep in mind that no one is perfect, even our leaders. Also, if we really want to help our world's reputation and fix this Iraq situation, Biden is the man to do it correctly and with class. We all know Bush has brought down the US reputation and it is our duty to bring it up. Obama will bring hope, charisma, ideas, and leadership while Biden will provide the backbone to get it all done. Obama-Biden '08!!!

Posted by: Sarah | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Corrupt Republicans have created such a mess that it is going to take all the great talents of both Obama and Biden to get the United States back to its true potential.

See http://www.Democracy-Now.us

Posted by: Joel | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

With a text message, it is official. I lack a doctorate (or masters or even bachelors) in political science, but I can unequivocally say that Obama’s decision to select Biden as his vice presidential nominee is the best choice for America. I must admit that I have been worrying lately that Obama would have picked a lesser person based solely on the prevailing winds of political idiocy, or opinion polls.

It is difficult for me to put faith in others, let alone national figures whom I have never met, but I can honestly state that I have supreme confidence in this duo of politicians. While they are just men, flawed as all of us, and working in an even more flawed system, I honestly believe that this is the best option for our fine nation.

As stated above I am not a political genius. But I can read, disseminate information, and acknowledge fault. I hold reason and logic as the greatest traits a politician (or any human) can possess. Obama’s selection of Biden is the most reasoned and logical choice. While reason and logic are shunned if not outright laughed at by many (I will call these people Republicans), it is reason and logic that will save us all.

I would hope that you would evaluate your station in life currently and then take a moment to consider the options open to you come the first Tuesday in November. While I can respect true fiscal conservatives and the (few remaining) Republicans cut from this cloth, I have no respect for neo-conservative evangelicals that are out for #1. These people are mean spirited, hateful, and the embodiment of who should not be in politics. The institutionalized stupidity of the last seven years is shameful and at times even criminal. I do not say criminal in a figurative sense, rather many of the acts of the current administration and the followers are downright illegal.

We, as Americans, have the option to vote for quite possibly the sanest, most logical thinking, rational group in Obama/Biden than in all of recent political history (with the glaring exception of Clinton/Gore, also very sane, rational and logical).

As McCain is not a fiscal conservative, one of those few republicans that is well intentioned, but so philosophically different that I have a hard time understanding, yet I can respect, and I am sorry to say, but McCain is no maverick, look at his record after the Bushies accused him of having an illegitimate black child. That brings me to my first point on the personality of someone that would not vote for Obama/Biden.

I think that the biggest factor is racism. I am not suggesting that on opponent is a member of the KKK or anything, but there is latent racism in all or our characters. Not a single person is without some type of prejudice. This silent fear of electing a black man is understandable, as not too long ago there were still colored water fountains. If this is the barrier to voting democrat, then there is still hope. You can overcome fears and challenge yourself to examine what is the real issue and then make the right decision.

As few people voting against Obama would ever admit that they are doing so for a fear of electing a black man, then I am only left to assume that you are so dangerously uninformed that it frightening. McCain will not represent your best interest. Unless that best interest is your $250,000 to $4,999,999 annual income. Arguing anything else is nonsense. The only other justification would be abortion, and if that is your main concern, you really need to consider the difference between a Christian and Christ-like lifestyle. Who would Jesus vote for? I argue that Jesus would be a liberal, and seeing as many media outlets have labeled Obama as the most liberal senator, I think that Jesus would be pulling the lever for Obama/Biden.

Posted by: Mark from Wichita, KS | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

whoever made the comment about the DJIA and Bush, the DJIA cracked 14,000 under Bush.... Clinton never cracked 11,000 (got close though). However, I am not naive enough to think that the president has control over these matters.

Posted by: Reid | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Obama just has failed his very first big test. If he would be really a candidate of change and "destroyer" of the old Washington politics, he would take a risk and go with Kaine. Two young country leaders(!) with lack of old-school political experience - that would be the Change! At least, that would be the "change we are believing in"?!

Posted by: greg | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

Clinton can still win!!! Take it to the floor of the convention!! You go girl!!

Posted by: Dave | August 23, 2008 11:48 AM | Report abuse

8 years ago, Bush promised to be a uniter, and the claim was that Republicans were uniters and Democrats dividers.

Today, we have a paid far-right nutcase team posing as disillusioned dems and independents promising to vote for McCain because of the Biden choice, or Hillary not getting the nomination, etc. In other words, the classic definition of DIVIDE AND CONQUER TACTICS.

Stay together Dems, don't let the extreme fanatics of the wingnut right divide us!

Posted by: stan | August 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

If Obama somehow wins, I want Biden no more than 3 feet from Obama at all times.

Biden and his wife need one of those connected bedrooms at the White House, like at a Holiday Inn, so that Obama never gets that 3am phone call alone. No more Home Alone in Chicago.

Posted by: bammer | August 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"Right-wing nuts and Hillary dead-enders (one in the same, actually) have NO GROUNDS to be criticizing the dedication of Obama supporters."

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Criticize? Are you kidding, this is awesome. Read some of the rightwing blogs - we think this is the greatest thing ever.

Posted by: WAL | August 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MCCAIN IS BUSH | August 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I am sorely disappointed in this pick, and I am going to have to really mull over my pick in the general election. Barack energized the youth of America by being the candidate of change, but with a VP who has been in the Senate for 10 years longer than McCain, how can he say with a straight-face that he's still going to be for needed change?
Evan Bayh would have been my pick, hands down. As the youngest-ever Governor of Indiana, he led the State to a great budget surplus. He is serving his second term as US Senator, and has learned much from his father Birch Bayh and from the other great Senator from Indiana Richard Lugar. I don't understand the Bayh-bashing that a few posters have made, because if Barack hadn't popped into the national spotlight at the DNC 04, Hillary would have lost this election and Bayh would be our President in 2012.

Posted by: Josh | August 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

I was on the fence but this seals it. I'm voting for Obama!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:49 AM | Report abuse

People who will be voting for McCain because someone called Obama arrogant are dangerously confused about what has happened over the past 8 years. We Americans are losing the very fabric of what makes this country great: out freedoms.

Consider this, at the beginning of the Bush presidency, by virtue of nothing more than being a citizen, you were presumed to be innocent until proven guilty by a jury of your peers. Today, one man can silently label you an enemy of the state for any reason and put you in a secret prison on foreign soil without breaking the law.

The Republican party has deeply corrupted many of our institutions over the last eight years, and this will only continue under a President McCain. His advisers are the same republican corporate lobbyists behind Bush.

At this time, our energy policy is literally being written by energy corporations, our phone, web, and email communications are being recorded by telecom corporations, and our military is being used to secure assets for the oil industry.

Our country is at risk, and true patriots will vote for Barack Obama and me, Joe Biden.

Posted by: JoeBiden JoeBiden | August 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Is it prophecy, ignorance or arrogance?

Osama Bin Laden 2008
Obama Biden 2008

Posted by: Pastor | August 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

spv wrote: "i think obama/biden4change is a great ticket; my hope is those 75% will change their minds when they hear sen. biden speak and bring "truth-to-power" to the schmidt/rove/mccain shell game to bamboozle the american electorate once again. NOT THIS TIME!"
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Now that's what I call putting lipstick on a pig.
McCain & Romney is going to kick their but$s.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

what was that i just heard 'the OLD STATUS QUO" sorry biden it's not you...how else do you think he would get elected without someone who knows something, or anything, for that matter. i think it would be wonderful if the gods would have hillary elected on the first nomination and vote.
wouldn't that just float your boat.

Posted by: joyce | August 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

What I refuse to do is vote for someone who's ideas I do not support. The democrats put us in the position to have to make a controversial decision which I believe ultimately will haunt them in the end. I will not vote for Obama, but yes I do still consider myself a democrat. It would be absolutely insane for me to vote for Mccain because of my disappointment with the democratic nominee, so I will do as I hope many do, and won't vote.

Posted by: D | August 23, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

In this case, no one cares because it is a horrible choice; insider, plagiarist old white man who can pull obama's strings for polosi. All McCain needs to do is pick an outside the beltway VP; Romney or Palin. Dig Romney, however you can't get any farther away from dc than Alaska. Palin has excellent conservative credentials and as a beautiful, youthful, highly intelligent woman can you just imagine her juxtaposed to John McCain vs obama and his old white man handler? She also represents a step forward rather than a step backwards. She CAN make a difference. Hillary would be smart to support McCain. He likes to reach across the isle, and in so, she could wield some power in her party after the debacle that is about to befall them. I just saw a photo of biden standing over BHO, whispering in his ear; a good representation of the political slave master.

Posted by: ragnarb | August 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I like Biden because he was chosen by Obama. They can work together well. Anyone who thinks Biden would be in charge (like Cheney) underestimates Obama's leadership skills. I am excited about this ticket.

Posted by: Joan from Virginia | August 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

benighse

After reading your post with all if its little McCute statements, I have to wonder about YOU thinking McCain sounds silly.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

I was prepared to vote for McCain, but the prospect of Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian) and now the pick of Biden, I'll be pulling the lever for Obama!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse


Biden has the do nothing swagger and elitism of a 30+ yr senator. OH, he is one.
If experience and insider knowledge were so important they how did companies like Google, Dell, Microsoft ever get to where they are today. I’m disappointed with JB. Most significant change has begun because of the work of a few dedicated people. After we get the grassroots level moving, then you can bring in your "insiders" to maintain the momentum.
Don't ever underestimate what WE can do behind a spirited, visionary leader.

Posted by: Tony | August 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Even Kerry, who was viewed as weak, had the courage to pick the #2 Democrat form the primaries without fear of being upstaged. Obama is very weak.

Posted by: hdimig | August 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

"enough racists to make sure it doesn't happen"

?? Obama would not be where he is today without the white vote. And of course, over 90% of black votes going to Obama isn't racist?

Posted by: Reid | August 23, 2008 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a swell choice!
For all the Democratic malcontents, please consider this: McCain will nominate Supreme Court Justices who will overturn Roe v Wade, thus criminalizing abortions. That is a legacy I would not want my daughters or granddaughters to have to suffer. Secondly, his shoot from the hip mentality will have my grandsons drafted into a future incursion with some foreign country in order to flesh out his neo-con creds.
Lastly, take into account his many mis-statements, not knowing the Sunni/Shia situation, that Chekoslovolkia is no longer, that Iraq does not border Pakistan, how many homes he has, and the list goes on and on as long as he remains in the spotlight. Imagine how much longer this list will become if heaven-forbid, he gets to the White House.

Posted by: howard | August 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

What a stupid choice on Obama's part. Just another case of poor judgment.

Posted by: Cory | August 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MCCAIN IS BUSH | August 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

I am truely proud! we, a nation that up until recently was racist and bigoted, are about to elect our first african american president. This is truely a great ti me in our nation!

OBAMA/BIDEN '08!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Biden just seems boring to me as many others feel too. I would have rather seen a fresh face than Bidens same ole same ole politics as usual.

I probably won't vote now. Obama needed Indiana--kiss it good BAYH now!!!

Posted by: Greg | August 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

obama was an idiot to pass over Hillary and pick Biden! Now it will be even closer between him and McCain! If McCain wins I will personally damn Obama for putting his ego first over America and having entered the Primary race in the first place. He used race as his "winning" card in the primary, and race will be his "losing" card in the general election. If he had picked Hillary, he would have easily won, and brought along big change in the senate. The change in the senate is what is so desparately needed in order to make "change" happen in Washington!

Holding my nose as I vote for Obama! Which is only a vote against McCain! I repeat, Obama is an egotistical IDIOT!!

Posted by: charmenone1 | August 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

I supported Joe Biden in the primaries until he dropped out, and while I'm glad he's been chosen today for VP candidate, I have to say how bizarre it is to see the young inexperienced arrogantly self-confident newbie be the head of the ticket and the stable, knowledgeable, thoughtful and mature leader be the second guy. If only this ticket were reversed, the country could be a lot surer of safety and reason in our next administration.

Posted by: donald169 | August 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

An impressive number of negative comments out there! This proves several things about Obama. Remember all the speculation about should he choose someone who helps the ticket or someone who will help govern? Biden shows the answer: Obama chose someone who will help him govern. The overwhelming thud reaction is a result of Biden's complete lack of charisma - something that in spite of his gravitas and credentials, held him back in the primaries. But don't underestimate his pull in Pennsylvania, a swing state that Obama had trouble in. Biden can claim it as his home state where he was born and still has connections. In an election where every state counts, every vote in Pennsylvania counts.

Having said that, the choice of Biden shows Obama's confidence. A more cynical electioneering choice would signal fear and a cop-out. Choosing the liberal senator from Delaware is a braver, bolder choice.

Posted by: lorax | August 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"I was prepared to vote for McCain, but the prospect of Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian) and now the pick of Biden, I'll be pulling the lever for Obama!!"

Jay, you are just as religiously bigoted as those who would not consider JFK because of his religion.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a swell choice!For all the Democratic malcontents, please consider this:  McCain will nominate Supreme Court Justices who will overturn Roe v Wade, thus criminalizing abortions.  That is a legacy I would not want my daughters or granddaughters to have to suffer.  Secondly, his shoot from the hip mentality will have my grandsons drafted into a future incursion with some foreign country in order to flesh out his neo-con creds.  Lastly, take into account his many mis-statements, not knowing the Sunni/Shia situation, that Chekoslovolkia is no longer, that Iraq does not border Pakistan, how many homes he has, and the list goes on and on as long as he remains in the spotlight.  Imagine how much longer this list will become if heaven-forbid, he gets to the White House.

Posted by: howard | August 23, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

"WE can do behind a spirited, visionary leader"

Obama? A weak cowardly leader. I am writing in HRC. We will still have a Democratic congress and McCain is more competent. Obama and his supporters have shown that they do not care about HRC voters.

Posted by: hdimig | August 23, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MCCAIN IS BUSH | August 23, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Obama is about to make history. Be proud!

Posted by: g- | August 23, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Those women who would sacrifice their country to four more years like those of Bush/Cheney simply because Hillary lost, reinforce the stereotype of the vengeful woman. It is akin to Medea murdering her children to revenge her husband's infidelity.

Posted by: Diane C. | August 23, 2008 11:56 AM | Report abuse

I was prepared to vote for McCain, but the prospect of Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian) and now the pick of Biden, I'll be pulling the lever for Obama!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

MCCAIN IS BUSH,

Does your mommy and daddy know that you are playing on the internet?

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Matt, I agree with you 100%. McCain does not need any fake Americans voting for him and neither does Obama for that matter. Cry baby Dems, just leave the country since you don't want to work within the system established. McCain is going take us where we need to be as a country. And he will make sure that we kick a-- all over the world. Military Magic Baby!

HEAR ME NOW....Clinton supporters, we don't need you to win this election. McCain is going to kick Obamas butt. You suck we hate you! We hate Clinton! REPUBLICANS RULE!!

IF she was the candidate you would not even stand a chance!! You better feel lucky you ended up with Obama.

McCain 2008!!! (without the help of the Clintonians)

Posted by: Captain America | August 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Biden is a great choice. He seems vice-presidential. He's experienced without being too old. Pefert way to crush Mc7Houses.

TJ

Posted by: Jefferson2008 | August 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone see Bill Maher on Larry King the other night? Bill claims that american people are to stupid to be governed and based on some of the comments made today, I would totally agree with his statement!

Posted by: wayne | August 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

joe will get in there and bite McCains face. A real pit bull just when we need him. Attack attack

Posted by: steve | August 23, 2008 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Romney just plain scares me. Don't Mormons believe in aliens and that Jews are evil? They're a cult!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Howard:

As long as we are talking about the verbal mistakes of candidates, well kind of one-sided here with the McCain bashing, but did Obama not forget how many states were in the USA?

Posted by: Reid | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Joe had me at: "Noun,verb, 9/11". Great choice. I can't believe the Hillary supporters would vote for McCain! I was one. Don't these people recognize that the next President will appoint Supreme Court Judges? Remember Roe v. Wade? Remember the "signing statements" that are ongoing? Have your snit, then support the O & B. duo. I am a "recovering republican". I'm very happy with the choice the Dems have made.

Posted by: Sam1 | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

to Obiewan One can argue that we now live in a communist society under a republican president who spies on americans at will. The republic party represents government running our daily activities. Vote republic if you want communist rule.

Posted by: kj | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Judgment was the basis of Obama's quest for the presidency and change was his logo. He proclaimed to the world that he has the superior judgment because he made a speech about anti-Iraq intrusion, while his opponents in the Democratic Party primay were part of those who authorized Bush's action. People took that statement at heart because of their disgust and even hatred of putting our servicemen in harm's way, a war that was unneeded and "rediculous." So, the Democratic leadership anointed the speech maker - an orator who could read a teleprompter without any hint that he is reading, yet stutter and could not make a good judgment as in the Saddleback Forum; an orator who could mesmerize his audience, expecially the younger generation who identified with him and made the world see him through their ears. Another judgment that in my opinion is flawed. "It's above my pay grade," is more like voting present. One NYT columnist commented in that Forum that Obama "came across as professional and pensive, not presidential. McCain was direct and compelling. Obama's "response to the crisis in Georgia was tepid and swishy. McCain was muscular and straightforward." Regretfully, the Democratic leadership turned against the most qualified senator from New York, more so, obviously, of their secret hatred against the Clintons, a repeat of what they did to another southerner, Jimmy Carter. Republicans call them wimps, but they were all macho and gung ho when they attack their own party member. Now, Obama's judgment is again put to test in his selection of another senator, Joe Biden, as his running mate. As a Democrat, I am aware that during the primary, Biden did not make a dent among the Democratic voters. The only words that stick to our mind was his downgrading of Giulliani as a "verb, a noun and 9/11," and his comment about Obama as an "articulate, bright and clean young man," which a Washington Post columnist thought was negative in meaning. I would not be surprised if the Democrats were turned off by Biden's bombastic and almost sarcastic way of arguing his points. Imagine, one by one, the candidates folded up, one was even tagged as a Judas and all became supplicants to the anointed, singing praises to what they tell us, the savior of what Bush had done to our country, yet 18 million Democrats thought otherwise. Taking another senator from the Senate is another problem of the Party to put more in there, in order to get a veto-proof Congress. The Democrats have now chosen a duo who will become the chattering administration if they win. Now they are trying to be negative and getting personal instead of keeping alive the Democratic issues close to the hearts of the people. McCain with 7 residences!? Wow! As if we don't know that even in small towns, those average, hard working couples, own dozen or more houses, especially, thanks to the Clinton "peace and prosperity" administration. They did it without any assistance from a tainted person or persons.The Party and Obama campaign should not have gone into a real estate business attack on McCain or the Rezko affair will become alive again. What with the "boneheaded move," judgment. They would soon elevate a Reagan trajectory in their agenda than mention about a Democratic administration that balanced the budget, created 25 million jobs and surplus to boot. Jealousy made them anoint a supposedly "clean" young man, but then as we went along we are beginning to find things about Obama, now that the Republicans are trying to do the vetting, serious flaw that Hillary could not do to a fellow Democrat, that do not jibe well to what we are seeking for as a leader of our country. The Obama protective media did not want to see anything about his body language during the debates. Now, the Republicans are beginning to expose in the internet and in newspaper, who the real Obama is, something that Hillary could not do during the primary. They could say "bros before hos," or show nutcracker doll, yet Hillary could not do a rejoinder. They could make the Clintons racists ala swift boaters to Senator Kerry, accuse her of throwing kitchen sinks at Obama; turned her into a shrew and made Obama, the "orchid" or "house plant," (Maureen Dowd's adjectives), nurtured with the Democratic leadership's tender, loving care. Why are many Democrats disgusted and disappointed to the point that they either will not vote for Obama or vote at all? In my opinion, it was how the Democratic leadership's way of tainting the democratic process of selecting the standard bearer of the Party that made it appear that they already have their preferred candidate. I mean, what good is the primary, if the leaders of the Party tell their constituents that this candidate is our candidate? I don't think we can blame Senator McCain of what is now beginning to appear relative to who the real Senator Obama is. Reaching out? A columnist telling us that McCain is "hazy and undefined." Even, as insignificant person as I am, I know what he has been doing in the Senate; even reaching out to the leaders of the Democratic Party. I do not know of any Obama's reaching out to the Republicans. Deeds and not words will show a real leadership. Like in the military, "leadership by example," is what makes our country strong

Posted by: Cabby | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

"Is it prophecy, ignorance or arrogance?
Osama Bin Laden 2008
Obama Biden 2008"
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Even better,
Barack Hussein Obama...

Hussein (president) - Bin Laden (VP)

Posted by: greg | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

i like the ticket, primarily that it's going to have a swagger. Not as in "stupid and sinister" ala Bush/Cheney. these guys have Smarts and they are going to have an elusive chemistry that will stengthen each of them. Biden's net worth is like minus $300.000, this almost makes him a hero. They are both engaging personalities (not a bad thing, try not following the rubbish spin), Bottom line look at the men, contrast them with Bush/Cheney or Mccain (he has been bought) Obama ran a brilliant campaign, his donations are all small sums the big boys are terrified.McCain/ Romney/Lieberman/etal not good, look who supports them. It's a very easy decision. Open your eyes and ears, think and stop being scared.

Posted by: Marcus | August 23, 2008 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Excellent. Simply excellent. Good choice, Sen. Obama.

Posted by: Suzanne | August 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

From a Libertarian who used to like you Republicans when you actually stood for something -- I am now a Dem and will vote Obama/Biden.

I'm looking over all these hair-brained posts from right-wingers spouting their usual predictable regurgitation of their chosen spoon fed idealogy. What a bunch of morons.

For example;
"Increase taxes, then create new entitlement programs for people who lack initiative,give health insurance to everyone and destroy the quality of the American health care system, weaken our defense."

Um, yeah. Read the papers much, dude? We are in a recession and have an 8 yr. term from a silver-spoon elite idiot to thank. Are military has been made weaker thanks to his administrations bad decisions. The health care system is a mess because govt. sponsors Big Pharma and Insurance and the for-profit motive feeds on the middle class and working poor, and gives the rich and powerful protection and MORE $$. Repubs lessen taxes for the rich while bankrupting the working class, we are like milk cows for them.

Republicans don't stand for little govt. and little taxes anymore, so GET OVER IT. They are the socialists here...we are a Socialist Corporacracy abetted and aided by the Govt, and Repubs want to keep it that way. Elitist, power-hungry socialist mobsters fooling you into thinking they are the Freedom party...HA!

Oh, and who is that Ivy League character up there spouting Republicans for life SUCKAS? You must be a Yankees fan. Deluded, denuded and can't spell worth a dang.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully, Obama wins this Fall - we can't afford a third term of Bush, which McSame will surely bring....after all, McSame voted 95% with Bush and 87.8% with the Republican Congress over the last 8 years.....hardly a Maverick at all....more like a pathetic old lemming.

Bush is solely responsible for tripling our National debt to 9.5 TRILLION dollars (we owe interest on it, and have collectors expecting the money back), a massive trade deficit, a weak dollar (your gas would be $1 a gallon less if it wasn't for Bush), a war we never needed to get into (YOU go die in it if you want, Republican), and the entire world thinks of us as a huge JOKE for electing a stupid hick that ran us into the ground.....and where was McCain? - voting RIGHT ALONG with all of this stupid hick's policies.
Time to wake up, people. If you vote McCain, you are going to kick yourself for voting THREE TIMES for the same dumb policies over & over!

Posted by: Mike | August 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

If Hillary had won I would have voted for her. Obama is the presumptive nominee. Biden rounds out the qualifications of the ticket, and I'm enthusiastic about voting for both of them.
Divide and conquer is the M.O. of the republicans. They used it to destroy our manufacturing base, our economy, our national prestige, and our ability to check their excesses. Please don't shoot yourselves in the foot by voting for McCain. Putting a republican in office is like hiring a pyromaniac into the Fire Department. They try to take credit for fighting problems that they cause in the first place.

Posted by: Charles W | August 23, 2008 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I was prepared to vote for McCain, but the prospect of Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian) and now the pick of Biden, I'll be pulling the lever for Obama!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

I have to laugh......Obama has flip flopped on just about every important issue....all he had left was this ridiculous claim that he was the candidate of "Change"--- The best way to pound that last nail in the "Change" coffin was to pick the ultimate in career politicians and Washington insiders as his VP.

Anyone who thinks Obama has run a good campaign is either not paying attention or so in the tank for the guy they are blinded by their ideology.

Obama was given this election on a silver platter and has slowly thrown it away. Even with the giant fund raising advantage he has lost ground all summer.

The way polls are always skewed towards Democrats, Obama's slim national lead is really a deficit.....maybe a substantial one....

Id say....and im no McCain fan....this election is now his to lose...I would not be surprised if McCain ended up with a much larger win than anyone thought possible.

Just wait until Obama does his off the teleprompter implosion during the debates.

McCain is really kind of awful but Obama has been an embarrassment to himself and America.

Come on, Obama all but said China was a better country than the US yesterday....only the very far left isnt completely turned off by that attitude.

Hillary was the only chance Obama had....i know a few people personally who have switched to McCain now that Mrs. Clinton has been officially passed over. I can only imagine how many votes nationally, and more importantly, in swing states like Pennsylvania, Ohio, and Florida that he has now lost.....Pennsylvania is a MUST win for Obama and was once a pretty sure thing....not anymore....if it flips to Red we are looking at a possible landslide....

Then again....McCain is just dumb enough to blow it....

Posted by: alecj | August 23, 2008 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Let's see how much Obama/Biden can fix in the next 8 years. Luckily we'll have a dem congress to make it a little easier.

Go Obama!!!

Posted by: luke | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

It's interesting that Biden is considered someone "who can take over" when Obama himself is incapable of taking over... (unless there's a telepompter at the ready.)

Posted by: Bryan in leesburg | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Shoot! I was really hoping for Ayers for a "double-Socialist" ticket!

Posted by: Stacy | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

D wrote "so I will do as I hope many do, and won't vote."

Yeah, that'll work!

Posted by: goatrope | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm bewildered -- and repelled -- by all these posts using the phrase "old white man" as a derogatory term.

Agism, racism and sexism all wrapped into one neat package of prejudice! Nice going, posters.

Posted by: diogenes | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Jay is stuck on stupid.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Geez, all this negativity about Joe Biden....folks, get a little context. At least he's not Dick Cheney. Obama isn't perfect and neither is Biden, but does anyone seriously contend that an Obama/Biden administration would be worse for the country than Bush/Cheney? Or that McCain's pick will be better? Who could McCain select who would be better than Biden? Chuck Hagel isn't going to run with McCain, Colin Powell is 71 and has his misleading statements to the UN to deal with, Dick Lugar is 76, so McCain's not going to pick him. He's sure not going to pick Condi Rice, as that would put Bush's foreign and national security disaster millstones around his neck. None of the moderate Republicans will run with McCain, so who is left? Joe Lieberman? Yeah, that's better than Biden...right.

Posted by: Bob2203 | August 23, 2008 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Mark my words.
Barack Obama isn't going to change anything. He just knows what platform to use to get elected. There are plenty of people too young to know what a politician is.

Posted by: herb | August 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

I am voting for Obama, I don't understand how anyone can vote for a man who is worth over $100 million, then talks about how he is a common man. Granted Obama makes over $4 million a year, but he earned all of his money.

Posted by: Brian | August 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Obama doesn't need the 75% whose minds aren't changed, it's the 13% who now say they're more likely to vote for him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash:

McCain diagnosed with Alzheimer's! Tragedy for the McCain family!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Mike:

Obama was voted the most liberal in the senate, you know how many times he voted with his party? That does not sound like the great unifier to me. And what kind of coward voted 'present' so he does not have to pick a side or have his name attached to a bill? People elected him to lead and vote for them, not vote present.

Posted by: Reid | August 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Biden is boring and has bad hair plugs, this was a terrible pick. I'm bored with Barack. Too bad he didn't pick someone exciting.

Posted by: Cristian | August 23, 2008 12:04 PM | Report abuse

"Does anyone seriously contend that an Obama/Biden administration would be worse for the country than Bush/Cheney? Or that McCain's pick will be better?"

Yes, I do on both counts.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Most Americans are to look at the stack of bills on the kitchen table and just not be able to stomach 4 more years of the GOP.

Posted by: suigenerous | August 23, 2008 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Brian:

Cindy is worth $100 million, he married a sugar-momma, like Kerry did. There is a prenuptial agreement too btw.

Posted by: Reid | August 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"I think Biden is a bad pick. He has a history of saying really silly things then having to backtrack. For example the quote about Obama. Then there is the plagiarism issue that will come up."


Considering what America has put up with the past 8 years, I very much don't this is a major issue.

The problem I've seen develop in my 50 years of following politics is how Americans figure that there is supposed to be a grown adult out there that has never said or done anything they do not approve of. As Chico might say - that's a nice - but if we put that criteria on other people we interact with, we wouldn't eat out anywhere, let alone turn our cars over to mechanics for maintenance.

America had best start concentrating on the issues and what is best for them and their family. The middle class has been shrinking for decades. Like the 1950's Soviet Union, the only good jobs that offer health care, pensions and security are with the government, while politicians spend obscene amounts of money preparing juvenile ads that frame their opponents personalities as junior high school peer pressure might. Were those hundreds of millions and probably billions of political campaign contributions dollars put to some use to help the institutions in this country that are falling apart by the day, then maybe the US dollar might not be tanking, home prices might not be nose diving, and our standard of living would not be sinking.

Posted by: H L Menken | August 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Hey Captain America,
Isn't Seven-Houses McCain an atheist? Since he's not really a god person, don't you worry your repukelican values will be lost?

As for Romney, doesn't he believe in flying saucers behind Jupiter and that when you die you get to rule over an entire planet with your wife, subjecgating everyone in your world?

Posted by: Jefferson2008 | August 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Evangelicals:

Mormons are known for their cultish practices and subversion of TRUE Christian practices. If Romney is selected by McCain we may all be in detention camps by 2010.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

I was a strong believer in a Clinton/Obama ticket. Since that did not happen the next best is an Obama/Biden ticket.
As a Hillary voter, I pledge my full support to the Obama/Biden ticket, because I want my country back from 8 yeras of disaster created by the two ugly Americans Bush/Cheney.

Posted by: Steve | August 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

This ticket is going to slam mcshame and whomever he chooses!!!

WOOHOO!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a dissappointment for moderate/conservative Democrats. This is now an ultra-liberal Democratic ticket. There's no philosophical balance to reflect middle America. Catholics and Evangelicals sitting on the fence will likely jump to the Republican column. That is, unless McCain picks Romney or some other ultra-conservative for VP, then maybe Obama/Biden have a chance. A hyper conservative ticket for McCain will move moderates and independents into the Democrat column. If McCain picks a moderate for VP then he will win.

Posted by: spikeaus | August 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

AMERICAN SOCIALISM

Obama/Biden

Posted by: Rick F | August 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Joe wants our guns
and Obama wants our cash
how does an American
survive under that?

Raised by Muslims
with communist agendas
how are we ever
going to defend us?

We'll go to the doctors
controlled by the socialists
they'll do their experiments
just before they kill us

They'll print up the dollars
to pay for their entitlements
until our moneys worthless
and we all rely on government


Posted by: An American Poet | August 23, 2008 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Jay,
I've noticed all of those detention camps all around Utah.

Thank you for demonstrating your absurdity.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

As reported by Maureen Dowd and David Corn, at a Republican fundraiser, McCain joked: "Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly?
Because her father is Janet Reno."

____________


I did not know about this. Truly a classless remark. Maybe Mr. McCain can share with us his feeling on Dick Chaney's family members.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Mormons are on record as advocating the OVERTHROW of TRUE Christians! Can we afford to have a member of a CULT that close to the ULTIMATE power?

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity, how many houses does Biden have? Not that that matters...
McCain '08

Posted by: connie | August 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Before taking office, Obama and Biden will swear to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution. After taking office they will honor this sacred oath unlike the "Republicons" and their Federalist and neocon appointees.

We, the People, will be represented; government will no longer belong to the multinational corporations and their lobbyists. That is why the "Republicons" are resorting to every and all means, however despicable, to elect a person like McCain to stay the course.

The right of individuals to worship whatever God they choose will be respected by our government. The views of the heretics will not be subsidized by the tax payers.

The "elite" will pay their taxes just like the rest of us and tax receipts will be used for positive and constructive purposes, not to kill and ravage for personal power and wealth.


Posted by: Outrider | August 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I am surprised that so many people here are disappointed. I mean, get real!
If Obama wanted change he would have picked Dennis Kucinich for vice president.

Come to think of it, if the Democratic primary voters had wanted change, they would not have picked Obama in the first place. They would have picked Senator Gravel or Congressman Kucinich.

Just face the facts, the US has only one political party, with two branches that are very similar.

Posted by: JIM, MIAMI BEACH, FLORIDA | August 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

In response to Linda R. of Virginia:

Now there's an intelligent solution Linda. Sabotage the election because you haven't got the maturity to accept the people's choice.

You are likely a Republican anyway as I do believe that a majority of the Hillary get-even crowd are actually spoilers acting on behalf of the good ol' boy Republican game plan.

But you know Linda, whether you are a wolf in sheep's clothing or simply a tantrum throwing Democrat, your illogic is stunning. Anyone with a modicum of intelligence will dismiss your ignorant rant - can't help the poor individuals who are hopelessly brainwashed into voting against their own best interest.

In closing I say, "Linda, get some help, go back to school, educate and enlighten yourself and then come back into the real world."

Posted by: cggalen | August 23, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I am so supporting this Obama-Biden ticket.
Joe Biden is an upstanding citizen who's son is going to Iraq soon. He lost his first wife and child, and battled a brain anuerism that nearly killed him. He's hung in there and he's smart. He is the perfect candidate to compliment Obama. He's not another Cheney, he's a team player. He may speak his mind candidly but what he says makes sense. Have you forgotten the "Bomb bomb bomb Iran" song McCain sang in front of the International press. Don't you think McCain has to have some emotional damage after his ordeal. He never talks about it, "PTSD". Perhaps he has memory loss. We missed it w/ Regan. He's not the man w/ the hypervigilent damaged mindset that I would want to have push that button.

Posted by: Cindy NY | August 23, 2008 12:12 PM | Report abuse

So, a 35 year Washington insider is "change we can beleive in"? How funny is that!

Posted by: Heather | August 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Let's watch the Obama people call the Clinton fans "stupid" or "vindictive" some more.

Surely you won't need us to vote for your guy, as he's way ahead in the polls and it's going to be a landslide.

Oh wait, it's not...

Posted by: i heart hillary | August 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

if america is for sale; america need a best seller like bush that s why people who like mc cain think he is the best because the look alike but one is a little bit shotter than the other that why mc cain vote 95% with bush the both as nothing to offer only their elist desire, but obama has every thing to offer because every knew where is came from and has a yong men ,he really focus on education that is basically what is beleive "myself I dont trust people period but life ask a certain of faith a little story line :the man whose sicken the power is not men on power in other word whom ever become president will be different from his message by at least 80% but on Obama Ican see the other 20% invest on america but with bush or mc cain it will be total kaos that s why my freind if you like america think before you give your precious vote

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Jay,
Where are they on record? Cite your sources. They believe that free agency is the greatest gift that God has given. They also believe that Satan wanted to take away that gift.

Mormons don't want to "overthrow" anything. You are fearfull because of your ignorance of who they really are.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Most of the posts here that does not like Obamas choice are McCain backers. Save your B.S you will need as much B.S as possible to cover up all the stupid stuff your boy McCain has said and will say. Obama is the man in 08

Posted by: mike K | August 23, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Mormons are Scientologists in disguise!! Beware Xenu!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

Up until June, the polls said that Obama was behind in courting the white female(Hillary) vote. By July, that gap was no longer an issue (Tadaa!) and the new holy grail became the white male vote. So he picks Biden, big surprise. He made a huge mistake overlooking Hillary and her 18 million votes. I'm a lifelong dem who voted for her, so I won't vote for McCain, I just won't vote at all. If you Obamots want the White House so bad, get off your computers and go work to get those votes. You're not automatically entitled to mine.

Posted by: NJDem | August 23, 2008 12:14 PM | Report abuse

People never cease to amaze me!follow these instructions:get a hammer and hit the thumb on your right hand,ouch thats hurts dont it?Now hit the thumb on your left hand,ouch that hurts too huh?So why after having Bush for almost 8 yrs.now would anyone vote for McCain,like both thumbs hurting so would another republican?Havent you had enough pain and suffering for one life time?Before the middle of 2006 republicans controlled the house and senate for 12 yrs straight,they lost it to the Democrats for a reason,if you have to ask why,then your part of the problem!!Why cant the democratic congress get anything done,because it takes 10 votes over the majority to keep the President from being able to veto.
If your still a republican or thinking about becoming one,please seek help,youll need it if McCain gets elected!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:15 PM | Report abuse

If we allow a Mormon (aka CULT MEMBER) close to power, what's next? YOUR CHILDREN that's what!!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

"Obama has been outspoken about contributions from lobbyists, vowing not to accept any contributions from them. Biden doesn't seem to have quite the same view. The lobbying industry has given him $344,400 since 1997"
Read for yourself:
http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2008/08/the-money-behind-biden.html

But then Obama is a flip-flopper, so it's ok, right?

Maybe he can also get another land deal from Mr. Rezko while he's at it.

Posted by: Scott | August 23, 2008 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I called it last night.

Way to go, Barry! That Scranton working class kinda guy will pull the Hillary vote in PA. Hope there's as many unemployed Scrantonites in Ohio as well.

Has anyone checked out Delaware, lately? It's the 'home' of countless corporations, because of its business laws. Joe's the guy we'll be calling on to get things done, especially in the alternative energy field.

Keep your eye on the real world, folks. This one is getting sweeter by the minute.

Go Obama!

Posted by: newcaffiend | August 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Those of us who grew up knowing the Joe Biden story in Delaware knew Joe Biden was destined for VP or Pres some day. That it really now has happened is truly amazing. Look into this man and you will see a future great statesman. Delaware knew for many years what we all are learning now, that Joe Biden is one great man. If you want to see how smart Obama can be, look at his choice in VP. He has it right.
All of us will benefit from them winning in November. Thank you Delaware. Now, figure out a way to beat Appalachian State in football.

Posted by: dana | August 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"Fellow Evangelicals:

Mormons are known for their cultish practices and subversion of TRUE Christian practices. If Romney is selected by McCain we may all be in detention camps by 2010."

You, my child, are a true christian. I told you friggin people to Love Everybody!!! You can't even listen to me correctly! I didn't want to do this but you left me no choice. I AM DAMNING YOUR SOUL TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!

Now, anyone else want to spew hatred and bigotry in my name?

I thought not.
Have a nice day.

Love,
God.

(Oh yeah, vote for Obama in Nov.)

Posted by: GodHimself | August 23, 2008 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Good choice. Good man. Hands down.

And relax all you "change warriors".

Though Joe Biden is the consumate Washington insider, does anyone really think you can effect change without some of that?

There is a shared vision with these two. And Biden is a wise and shrewdly strategic choice for the contest ahead.

As per GW...'bring 'em on"

Posted by: TKane NY | August 23, 2008 12:18 PM | Report abuse

CORRECTED:
(yes, even I make mistakes)

"Fellow Evangelicals:

Mormons are known for their cultish practices and subversion of TRUE Christian practices. If Romney is selected by McCain we may all be in detention camps by 2010."

You, my child, are a NOT true christian. I told you friggin people to Love Everybody!!! You can't even listen to me correctly! I didn't want to do this but you left me no choice. I AM DAMNING YOUR SOUL TO HELL FOR ALL ETERNITY!!!!

Now, anyone else want to spew hatred and bigotry in my name?

I thought not.
Have a nice day.

Love,
God.

(Oh yeah, vote for Obama in Nov.)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I considered myself a Democrat up to today, but now, I have to call myself a Independent. I thought that I could vote for Obama if he put Hillary Clinton on the ticket. Now I find out that he has the picked Joe Biden as his running mate. I think Joe Biden is a Great and Honorable Person but he is not the person who garnered almost and equal amount of votes.--This situation should have been a no-brainer.--Eighteen Million votes times two equals a more than likely win for the Democrats. Also,the democrats would have both their first and second choice for the Presidential Positions. I have heard that they, Hillary and Barack, are quite similar on their policies. What better team could we have for reforming this country after the Bush legacy of disaster--two able and willing fighters. Obama's next book should be titled "The Audacity of Arrogance." I just hope this country can survive another four years of GOP economics!!!

Posted by: Jeff | August 23, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Let's face reality, Obama needs a strong foreign policy guy, so it makes sense in getting Biden on board. Do I think that Biden is good, not really, but its his foreign policy background that makes him attractive. As for the Republicans trashing him, c'mon now, they were going to trash anyone, but with Biden's credentials, it makes it a little bit harder. Yes, yes, yes, I know that Biden has foot in mouth disease, but look at the bunch at 1600 Pennslyvania now. Anyway, who's McCain going to pick with a reasonable foreign policy? If it's someone we all know, how come that guy is not already in D.C. trying to shore up our foreign affairs policies already. And please don't tell me, that we already have and her name is Condi Rice...Please!

Posted by: carddealer34 | August 23, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

I just listened to a CNN correspondent who said that Biden can win over voters who supported Hillary, especially women voters.

Posted by: Michael | August 23, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Mormon's advocate loss of rights and marginalization of TRUE CHRISTIANS!!! This is a DANGEROUS CULT!!! McCain has been put under their spell!!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Personally I'm happy with the Biden decision.

While he might not have been a successful Presidential candidate he has foreign affairs experience that is impressive. He also has sufficient time in office to have matures from his more liberal stance when he first joined the Senate.

More importantly right now is that his appointment is going to put a lot of pressure on McCain in his selection for his running mate. It will reign in the talk about being "adventurous" with the selection, and probably result in a more traditional choice.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Yes, please. All you Hillary people who are going to vote for the man who crudely joked that Hillary is a lesbian and that her daughter is ugly, go ahead and vote for McCain. He is a symbol of everything you hate about our culture, yet you will vote for him. Amazing.

Posted by: mlk | August 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

This is a winning ticket! I'm excited!!!

Posted by: bob | August 23, 2008 12:21 PM | Report abuse

LooseFur wrote:
“And don't forget that it took Bill Clinton almost 3-1/2 years to learn how things work here--Biden will shorten that learning curve by a lot.”

You for get Clinton had Gore who had 8 yrs in the House of Representatives.

Posted by: Alan | August 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

For those of you who have drawn the erroneous conclusion that Obama/Biden have some similarity with Bush/Cheney, let me point out that Obama was the head of the Law Review and got into two Ivy League schools on scholarship WITHOUT mentioning his race.
Bush was cheerleader in chief and a legacy admission.
Dumb and lazy left room for Cheney to rule. That will not be the case in an Obama/Biden administration.

For all of you who keep talking about Obama's brothers, go read his autobiography and turn off Rush. His listeners never verify and he counts on it.

I am delighted with Biden, he knows where the bodies are buried in Washington and the difference between shia and sunni unlike McC.

Posted by: kathy, austin tx | August 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary isn't a lesbian?

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

I think Obama picking Biden shows how desperate his campaign has become. How can you espouse CHANGE and HOPE and pick a 65 year old career politician to be your running mate? It's pretty obvious Obama never believed in THE AUDACITY OF HOPE- it wasn't a mantra to live by--- it was a short term tagline to get through the primaries. We have all been duped.

Posted by: TakeaStand | August 23, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Could the democrats be any worse at blowing it? They could have beaten Bush with anybody but a far left windbag like Kerry and they went and nominated someone so far to the left they do not have American values. Now the republicans have come to the center with McCain and the democrats respond by reaching into the marxist corners of the world to find some ultra far left communist. Then they have the gall to call Americans stupid for not wanting their platform. Americans are against neoconism but we are against communism more. AIPAC has really done something clever to keep neoconservatism going, you got to hand it to them. They control the media and tell the liberals what to think.

Posted by: Ezra | August 23, 2008 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Traditionnaly, we picked the President, not the Vip. In this particular case, a President nominee, an empty suit, inexperienced,-no one can deny this- could not get the job even if his running mate is a "heavy fighter." We did not choose the Vice President to run the country. If the Dems ticket win the election, we will get "President Biden" instead of Pre. Obama. THe irony is during the primaries, Joe Biden did not get more than 2% of the popular vote. So where is the beef?

Posted by: Mike Nguyen | August 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Black racist fraud meet White racist fraud.

Posted by: Dover | August 23, 2008 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Biden for President '08!! Woohoo.

Finally someone to swap with B.O. so that we can actually have a President with experience in these "perilous" times.

What a joke.

Wow, that's scary Obama Bin Biden

Posted by: Josie | August 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

HUSSEIN Obama is a Marxist thug.

Biden is racist toward Asian-Indians.

I am a Hillary supporter voting for McCain.

Obama is just GHETTO TRASH!

Posted by: Todd | August 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Mormon's advocate loss of rights and marginalization of TRUE CHRISTIANS!!! This is a DANGEROUS CULT!!! McCain has been put under their spell!!!

Posted by: Jay
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My child, do I have to come down there and personally slap you upside the head? Because if I do, you'll find yourself on the other side of the milkyway! Smarten Up!!!

Posted by: GodHimself | August 23, 2008 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Who cares if Romney is a Mormon. Obama's church is far more perverse then any Morman church. Romney is the smartest person in the race. He will deliver for McCain.

Posted by: Charles | August 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Todd sucks dick!!

Posted by: Marc | August 23, 2008 12:26 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are having a sale: TWO POMPOUS GAS-BAGS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE! Forget the tire gauge - the dems have new energy plan: endless hot air.

Here's the stuff the loony-left liberal media WILL NOT TELL YOU:

Biden and hussein share many characteristics. For example, they are both so lacking in honesty and ethics they blatantly plagiarize the words of others.

The many, many plagiarized speeches of Biden have been well documented. While at Syracuse Law School, Biden plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. He has not only plagiarized Americans, but British politicians as well, such as Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party. He's a true international plagiarizer.

In his mediocre law school, Biden was only able to graduate 76th in a class of 85 - i.e., he was in the lowest 10.5%! Of course, while campaigning, he claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class. A plagiarizer and a LIAR!

hussein is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes. (His mental deficiencies appear to rival those of Biden.) His many plagiarized speeches have also been documented, including his theft of words from a speech by Deval Patrick, from Robin WIlliams' movie Man of the Year, and others. Like Biden, hussein also has been caught in many lies.

Yep, the character of these two is as pathetic as it gets - they deserve one another. America deserves neither.

Posted by: ALEX H. | August 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

LOL! I wonder what happens to crackpipe barry after he loses the election and the Clintons retake control of the party

Posted by: revancha | August 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama recruits biden so he can keep up the lie of "hope" and "change" coming from himself while his pit-bull biden attacks viciously from an unseen position.

Clever but transparent, and guess what? It's same old politics with a flip-flopping-lying twist.

So what kind of used car would you like to purchase from this weak candidate?

Posted by: Nancy | August 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

As a staunchly conservative Republican, I have many problems with McCain's record. Add in Romney (a cult member and not a TRUE Christian) and I'm looking forward to pulling the lever for Barack Obama.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Biden voted for the Iraq war. Obama criticized Hillary's vote countless times and said it goes toward her judgment. Doesn't Biden's vote go toward his judgment?

Posted by: Does Biden have good judgment? | August 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

JODI wrote "No self respecting woman will vote Obama. No man with any respect for his Mother, sister, wife or daughters will vote Obama.
Flipping the bird while saying the name Hillary and waiting for a laugh is sexist and childish."

I so agree, Jodi. I wholeheartedly supported Obama and contributed to his campaign but after his immature and senseless little display during that speech I no longer view him as someone I could vote for. No doubt that the women in his life must be oh so proud. What respect he shows for the women of this nation and what a shame that he seems to lack the very basics of common sense and self control.

Posted by: Marion | August 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

No to Hillary means that I vote for mccain!

Posted by: joe | August 23, 2008 8:29 AM

---------------

So why are you telling us?? Go ahead and just do it! Sheesh!

Posted by: SAGG | August 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

If you are truely a Hilary fan (and not a republican shill), you could not vote for Sen. John 7Houses McSame. The platforms are just too different. How can you throw healthcare, peace, and progress under the bus?

TJ

Posted by: Jefferson2008 | August 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Traditional wisdom:

Dems move left in primaries to shore up base.

Reps move right in primaries to shore up base.

Both move center in general election to win moderates and votes from other side.

Obama's brilliance: Stay ultra left in general election, ignore moderates and piss off some of the liberal base by the way Clinton was treated.

Oh, yeah. He's going to win for sure.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:28 PM | Report abuse

I think the bigots, racists and conservatives are SH%#TING THIER PANTS. You can see it in thier posts. They are scared!

Posted by: OBAMAHERO | August 23, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Osama bin Biden!

Posted by: Fish | August 23, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Mormons are Scientologists in disguise!! Beware Xenu!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kj
to Obiewan One can argue that we now live in a communist society under a republican president who spies on americans at will. The republic party represents government running our daily activities. Vote republic if you want communist rule.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Yeah, right. That is one pathetic attempt at spin. If we want to take a big step toward socialism/Marxism then just let Obama, Reid and Pelosi run unchecked for several years. They will suck the life out of the economy and the will to live of the population. Their goal is to destroy this country and everything that made it great.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Barney | August 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's Obama's response to the 300 million dollar question:
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/08/07/obama-america-is-no-longer-what-it-once-was/

Posted by: Henry | August 23, 2008 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm gay but still voting for McCain. Does that make me bad?

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

"His only strength is his MTV quality which appeals to the empty headed under 35 crowd who only know technology and money and nothing else."

Thank goodness someone in this country knows technology and money - it's the empty-minded, "everything is magical and short-term gains are MINE without regard to future costs" approach of the baby boomers that really got us into this mess.

Posted by: under-35 engineer | August 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Dick wants our guts
and George wants our ash
how does an American
survive under that?

Raised by Skulls and Bones
with coperate agendas
how are we ever
going to defend us?

We'll go to the doctors
controlled by the pharmacologists
they'll do their experiments
just before they ill us

They'll print up the dollars
to pay for their empire
until our moneys worthless
and we all rely on each other

A Real Poet Am I? Yes I Am!

Posted by: I am You | August 23, 2008 12:31 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS A HUGE INSULT TO HILLARY.

OBAMA RAPED HILLARY IN THE PRIMARIES!

RAPED HILLARY!

SCREW OBAMA, MCCAIN IN '08!

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow! just wow.

Why didn't he put Hilary on the ticket? How do you diss her this bad? I hope Obama can recover after this unforced error.

Posted by: Kelly | August 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

This needs to be reposted...and reread, by all of you (thank you to the person who originally posted it!):

"I think Biden is a bad pick. He has a history of saying really silly things then having to backtrack. For example the quote about Obama. Then there is the plagiarism issue that will come up."


Considering what America has put up with the past 8 years, I very much don't this is a major issue.

The problem I've seen develop in my 50 years of following politics is how Americans figure that there is supposed to be a grown adult out there that has never said or done anything they do not approve of. As Chico might say - that's a nice - but if we put that criteria on other people we interact with, we wouldn't eat out anywhere, let alone turn our cars over to mechanics for maintenance.

America had best start concentrating on the issues and what is best for them and their family. The middle class has been shrinking for decades. Like the 1950's Soviet Union, the only good jobs that offer health care, pensions and security are with the government, while politicians spend obscene amounts of money preparing juvenile ads that frame their opponents personalities as junior high school peer pressure might. Were those hundreds of millions and probably billions of political campaign contributions dollars put to some use to help the institutions in this country that are falling apart by the day, then maybe the US dollar might not be tanking, home prices might not be nose diving, and our standard of living would not be sinking.

Posted by: Ditto!!! | August 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

I think McCain knows he has this in the bag. Since the election is about Obama, McCain doesn't really have to do anything to win. Just not lose.

Because of the Bradley Effect, being even in the polls means McCain is actually up by several points, maybe a lot of points.

As far as speaking ability, check out when the teleprompter fails for Obama:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDJSVPAx8xc


I think this is going to turn out like 1968. Nixon got it because folks really disliked Humphrey, not because they were infactuated with Nixon.

The only VP choice that would have posed a problem for McCain is Hillary. A HUGE problem. But that is out of the way.

A devout Catholic doesn't support abortion, so I don't think Joe Biden's Catholicism is going to resonate with any Catholics.

I don't know why bad blood gets in the way of politics, because Obama/Hillary would have been formidable.

Posted by: oracle2world | August 23, 2008 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Biden was right all along: Barack Obama is a "storybook" candidate.

Unfortunately, he tells one story, but lives another. His choice of Biden -- the consummate Washington insider -- shows that his ambition far surpasses his rhetoric. As was already apparent, "change" and "hope" are merely campaign slogans unabashedly employed to win an election.

After the preceding 8 years of deceit and subterfuge, my hope was that we'd at least get a candidate whose success with voters depends on his/her authenticity as leader and human being.

To be perfectly honest, my sense is that on that score, McCain has an edge on Obama.

Don't get me wrong, I don't think Obama is a worse choice for president than McCain. To the rest of the world, Obama's face alone sends a powerful message that America can move beyond the racism that once defined it. At this particular time in our history, even the mere symbolism of having an African-American family in the White House would help repair our moral standing in the world.

But if we're truly looking for "change" -- a move away from the corrosive militarism, consumerism and classism that have increasingly defined our recent history -- then both McCain and Obama leave much to be desired.

Posted by: Disappointed in Denver | August 23, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

It's called check and balance.

Dem congress & Rep President


Don't make the SAME George W. mistake of falling for Obama's lies, flip-flopping, and rhetoric for "change"(that obviously doesn't exist).

Look at track record, of which Obama has NONE(not considering his time spent with Pastor Wright and other Henchmen, some now in prison).

Go McCain '08

Posted by: Mark | August 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

LIMBAUGH: Alright, now here’s he’s brought it home. He had trashed his country in Germany, he has seen the result of that in his plummeting poll numbers. And now he does it again in Elkhart, IN. A 7 year old little girl. You’re running for President Sen. Obama, a little girl asks you a question, “Why did you start running for President?”
It’s a 7 year old Senator. Ya tell her because you love the country. You tell her because this is the greatest place on Earth. That we’ve got challenges, but you want to help the country through it. You don’t tell a 7 year old that her country isn’t what it once was. You do not lie to 7 year olds and tell them that your country sucks. You just don’t do it Senator.
America’s no longer what it could be? What it once was? How the Hell would you know Sir? Your experience has only been in one part of America. Elite, leftist academia.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

ALEX H.-- You are peeing your pants right now aren't you. your scared!
I'll tell you this, bigots and racists better be scared because a change of epoch proportions is coming. The pendulum is swinging back!! Woo Hoo!

Posted by: me | August 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

If Mccain puts Romney on the ticket knowing that Evangelicals like me can't stand his pseudo religion, he's toast. I'll have to hold my breath and vote for Obama. That Romney guy's dangerous.

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Biden as VP? So much for a "change" in washington. The Biden pick was
all about Obama being shaken up by McCain, now he's hired an antique
politician (not a changer or glorious hope-giver) to fight back:
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080823/ap_on_el_pr/veepstakes_analysis

Obama is worse than same old politics, he lies to say he's different,
flip-flops back and forth because he has no experience, and then tries
to polish the same old poo and give it back to us.

Vote for the real leader, vote John McCain '08

Posted by: Milton | August 23, 2008 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Lets get something clear. The term change in context with Obamas campaign is an oxymoron. Democrats are once again driven by their emotions rather than their brains. They judge a candidate on how he looks and makes them feel rather than substance. Research Obama for ten minutes and learn that he is the same old thing that the Democrats have offered up, and mostly lost with, over the last few decades. Hes a Cook county neo-liberal machine democrat. Nothing new about this guy except that the he is the most extreme verison yet. Every passing day and the shine on the Chevy fades.

Posted by: domingo | August 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Check out my website for the best in butt plugs!!

SolarDiablo

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

At least Biden thinks obama is a clean articulate negro...

Posted by: ROTFLMAO! | August 23, 2008 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Romney is dangerous. We can see by the way he ruled Mass with an iron fist.

Wait, he didn't do anything extreme ther excpet save jobs, didn't he.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Good!!! Now Richardson can shave his
amnesty beard.

Posted by: Geoff | August 23, 2008 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Now Jay is showing true ignorance and deceipt by posting butt plug comments under my Nom de Plum.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

If McCain nominates Romney, fellow Evangelicals, you know he's been compromised by the cult. It's a dangerous situation. McCain / Huckabee '08!!

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Jay intones, "Mormons are Scientologists in disguise!! Beware Xenu!!"

Got it. And it's obvious the lazy Christians have let the situation get to far out of control. We have only one choice as those on this thread and the blogs have pointed out. It can't be a coincidence! We need

"Is it prophecy, ignorance or arrogance?
Osama Bin Laden 2008
Obama Biden 2008"
------
Even better,
Barack Hussein Obama...

Hussein (president) - Bin Laden (VP)

In that we can all be in agreement.

Wake up the America the time of the false prophets are at an end...We have the chance now to prove that we are Truly the Chosen Ones...we must not fail!

Hail Satan!

Posted by: You are Me | August 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

ferragamo shoes-$500/pair. for that kind of money couldn't he find one AMERICAN shoemaker to buy from, since he LOVES this land. hey some of my good friends are republicans too, but i wouldn't want one in the family. decreased international standing,escalating national debt, tanking economy, decreasing civil rights, lying, hate-mongering. republican is just another word for taliban!

Posted by: THE curious black | August 23, 2008 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Obama hammered Clinton during the primaries for her vote on Iraq. Yet he chose a running mate who made similar arguments regarding Iraq as Clinton - and voted the very same way.

Posted by: JamesC | August 23, 2008 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Only someone who's gay would refer to a "Nom de Plum".

Posted by: Marc | August 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

To the Hillary supporters who now want to vote for McCain:

If you really supported Hillary you would vote for Obama who she is now endorsing because she knows that McCain in office will be a disaster of epic proportions. Where will this country be in 2012 if McCain is elected president? Give that sincere thought, think about your children, then think about their children and reconsider your vote. Obama is loved on a global scale and many people want him as president. Why? Because the president of America affects what happens around the world. McCain cannot repair the damage Bush has done to our reputation internationally.

I'm 22 years young. I am up to my eyeballs in student loan debt and have no health insurance. I care deeply about politics and the future of America. I am more educated and involved than many people 2 to 3 times my age. One day I will have children and I want them to live in a country where its president actually cares about the people. That is why I am voting Obama/Biden in November.

Respectfully,

Young and worried in America

Posted by: Obama/Biden08 | August 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Hilary 08!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PUMA | August 23, 2008 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Biden is smart,savvy and capable of actually saing sane things. He actually had more presidential credentials than any other candidate in the primaries. And he could "take over" if needed.

-------------------------

Really? Here are some of those "sane" comments:

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q=NGRhNzJlMWY5NjdiNzhjMTRkYjMzNjYwOGJmYzNjMTY=#more

Posted by: CJS | August 23, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Any fool can criticize, condemn and complain - and most fools do. -Dale Carnegie.

Listen to Jay condoemn an entire group of people. Just like the evangelicals did to JFK.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Kelly and Mary...listen to Hilary, who you love so much. Vote Obama/Biden. You insist on screwing up this country for another 4 years by voting for someone who stands for many things Hilary fought against. I'm so fed up with you guys whining on about how Hilary was treated...she fought admirably and was a worth opponent, and Obama treated her with the respect. She (or he) doesn't deserve any special treatment. It was as fair a fight as any in politics, if there is such a thing.

Posted by: Krissy | August 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

" I wholeheartedly supported Obama and contributed to his campaign but after his immature and senseless little display during that speech I no longer view him as someone I could vote for. No doubt that the women in his life must be oh so proud. What respect he shows for the women of this nation and what a shame that he seems to lack the very basics of common sense and self control."

To Fake Hillary Supporters, what a shame that you seem to lack the very basics of common sense and self control."

Posted by: Mirror Mirror | August 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

As a hardworking white American I see the addition of Biden to be HUGE. Romney seems a bit French to me somehow.

Posted by: Larry | August 23, 2008 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Marc,

What are you doing tonight?

Posted by: Foot tapping in a stall | August 23, 2008 12:44 PM | Report abuse

First, very few VPs have every influenced a presidential election. If Mr. Biden keeps his mouth shut it will still be up to Obama. Second, with all of Biden's 'foriegn policy' experience, why did he repeatedly vote for the Iraq war if it is so wrong? Mr. Biden is not a good campaigner, says a lot of off the wall statements, and basically is not much different than President Bush. In fact, what separates the two tickets is mainly taxes. Obama; higher taxes, McCain; lower taxes, basically.

Posted by: Indiana Man | August 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Obama for assistant dog catcher! (if someone more qualified doesn't show up)

Posted by: Me | August 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Hey Young and worried in America:

get a job and pay taxes you moron!

stop thinking you are entitled to anything. you want free healthcare move to cuba!

Posted by: Deisix | August 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

To Obama supporters wasting their breath with the Hillary deadenders who are now threatening to vote for McCain because their girl wasn't picked..time to move on. These people are chronic complainers who have the emotional maturity of 5 year olds. Time to focus on the people who actually recognize the difference between a Democratic and Republican administration and who understand the dramatic policy differences between the two. Leave the whining, squabbling, complainers to sit in their pity pool and cry over the fact that they didn't get their way while the rest of us actually go about trying to change this country for the better and reverse the disaster of the past 8 years.

Posted by: DW | August 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Interesting choice of fanatical right-wing scare tactics, Greg. When you have nothing logical or intelligent to contribute to the conversation, make the following statement, assuming that the American Public is STUPID enough to eat this stuff up:

"Is it prophecy, ignorance or arrogance?
Osama Bin Laden 2008
Obama Biden 2008"
------
Even better,
Barack Hussein Obama...

Hussein (president) - Bin Laden (VP)"


Might I remind you that Osama Bin Laden is still on the loose because the Conservatives marched to war with the wrong COUNTRY, and thousands of our service men and women, and countless Iraqi civilians have paid the price with their LIVES? The Conservatives have so much American blood on their hands right now, the blood of the middle-class, it would take a miracle for them to be re-elected.

http://xedaspuc.wordpress.com/

OBAMA/BIDEN '08 - Get the conservatives out of the White House.

Posted by: greeneyedblues | August 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Sandy: It's presumptuous of you to assume all women support abortion "rights".

Posted by: P3epe | August 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Mormonism is a CULT started by a true HERETIC named John Smith. One of Mr. Smith's STATED GOALS was the overthrow of TRADITIONAL CHRSTIANITY. Can we allow someone of this ilk in the White House? I think not!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Great point TakeaStand.

I don't understand how Obama is hoping to be this transformation President, like Reagan, -as Obama had pointed out- who could change America for generations. And yet he picks a 65 year old Veep who will be too old to run for the Presidency in 2016. At least Reagan choose Bush Sr as his VP- a man young enough, at the time, to carry on the Reagan Legacy. Obama picks a senior citizen who in any other profession would be retiring right about now.

Posted by: OceanPower | August 23, 2008 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Too bad it couldn't have been Biden on top of the ticket he's way more qualified than Obama.

Posted by: Biden 08 | August 23, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

"Only someone who's gay would refer to a "Nom de Plum"."

Thanks for pointing that out. Keep up your good works. We are watching you.

Hail Satan!

Posted by: A place waiting for you. | August 23, 2008 12:47 PM | Report abuse

In response to:
I am reminded of JKF's choice in LBJ. Kennedy was a relative Washington outsider, LBJ the master of the senate. I think the choice of a Washington insider makes sense.

Posted by: Anne | August 23, 2008 8:45 AM
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Never thought of this until reading the above but was Biden the choice strictly because of the same mantra relating back to Obama wanting to be the image of both MLK and JFK.? Seems the acceptance speech was arranged to be given on the date of MLK anniversary and Obama has chosen to give an outdoor acceptance just like JFK, so is symbolism once again the only thing that this campaign runs on? Was Biden picked because of the similarites of JFK's choice? The above comment really makes you wonder.

Posted by: justmyvoice | August 23, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

HUSSEIN Obama is a Marxist thug.

Biden is racist toward Asian-Indians.

I am a Hillary supporter voting for McCain.

Obama is just GHETTO TRASH!

Posted by: Todd | August 23, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

If only Bush would have carried on Reagan's legacy and kept his word to "No New Taxes!"

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Barack is in no way JFK!!!!! You poor liberal sapps. The morning of Nov. 5th will be the worst hangover of your life.

McCain/Romney '08 will whip your asses.

Posted by: Tami | August 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

When Barack Obama entered the U.S. Senate, as is well known he went to Joe Lieberman for guidance. His first initiative there was to propose that the U.S. government subsidize health care costs for domestic automobile companies.

Sen. Obama has a history, extending from his terms in the Illinois Senate, of reacting to uncertainty by seeking what he believes to be centrist partners, advisors and positions. He is not necessarily loyal to them; he later sidestepped associations with Sen. Lieberman and with health care subsidies.

Sen. Obama has made a successful practice of this time-worn approach to politics and may well do so again, choosing Sen. Biden as a running mate.

Posted by: AppDev | August 23, 2008 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I'm a Scientologist, so what?

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Damn I thought Barry Obama was going with his butt buddy Larry Sinclair.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:50 PM | Report abuse

wonder what Biden's going to look like with a beard.

Posted by: Denny | August 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm not a Scientologist. I am proudly LDS (true title for "Mormons").

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:51 PM | Report abuse

If McCain picks that heretic Romney the Evangelical vote will stay home in droves.

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: MCCAIN08 - HILARY 2012 | August 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

"I really like and admire Joe Biden. He'll make an admirable president when Obama is rapidly impeached for incompetence."

Lynn,
If Bush hasn't been impeached for this, no one ever will be.

Posted by: Pat | August 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

How galling that Hillary was never even vetted for VP. I have been extremely skeptical from Obama's beginning, especially because his rendition of change and hope seemed (and still seem) so vacuous. I even read DREAMS OF MY FATHER, thinking the book would enlighten me on whatever it was that the rest of the population was finding in Obama's candidacy. All I found was a self-conscious narrative of a man trying to create a public black figure from the very beginning. Plus, I hate his repetitive oratory, and his tendency to over accentuate things as though he's a preacher. . . Why should I be excited over a 60-something Catholic from a small state? No to Hillary means, simply, that I am not voting. I find that as a democrat, one is always compromising. I refuse to compromise, once again, in this election.

Posted by: Marisol | August 23, 2008 12:52 PM | Report abuse

A wise choice, Obama. Now the ticket can tout change + experience. Biden's well-developed backbone and appeal with blue collar workers will also serve the ticket well.

And, to any REAL Democrat planning to vote for McCain, (especially Hillary backers) I am really sorry that you would allow anything other than the candidates positions to affect your vote. They certainly have a vast enough difference on the issues and it seems nothing short of reckless to base such a critical decision otherwise.

Posted by: Mireille | August 23, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

I am a Rush dittohead I have been programmed to vote for Hillary, this selection does not compute-- I must report to Rush-- he says for 3 tabs of Oxycontin he will tell me how to vote in November

Posted by: I M Idiote | August 23, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Dear "mirror mirror"

Hardly fake on my part... I'm not a Hillary supporter. Sorry to bust your theory. I'll be happy to show you the canceled checks.

Posted by: Marion | August 23, 2008 12:53 PM | Report abuse

"If McCain picks that heretic Romney the Evangelical vote will stay home in droves"

Really? I knew Romney was a little off but that seals it. We need real Americans not cult members!

Posted by: Kinyan | August 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

while I agree with those who say that Obama and Biden do not represent the kind of anti-corporate, anti-fascist change we need in this country( as Edwards would have, or Kucinich), I think it's time for me to take a more pragmatic view: the fact is, Obama and Biden will work, in their insider way, to improve life for HUMAN BEINGS. Bush clones, like McCain, don't have HUMAN BEING written in their GOP manifesto. They'll work for CORPORATIONS not people; they'll continue to destroy the middle class (and the rest of the world). Our civil liberties mean NOTHING to them (except that people who have grown used to their liberties are harder to control). I'll take Obama and Biden, and keep working to reinstate our pre-Bush liberties. Of course, this assumes there's some way the republicans are not going to steal this one; if they don't, it'll be an accident.

Posted by: bluebird | August 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Then stay home in droves and prove to be the religious bigots that you are.

Mormons are a bit closer to your beliefs than Islam, aren't they?

Stay home and support someone who is anti-Christian.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UnmS_vULPxw

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:54 PM | Report abuse

The VIOLENCE AGAINST WOMEN ACT (VAWA) is the signature reason any woman should have to vote for Obama-Biden.

Posted by: patrik | August 23, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Mormonism is a CULT started by a true HERETIC named John Smith. One of Mr. Smith's STATED GOALS was the overthrow of TRADITIONAL CHRSTIANITY. Can we allow someone of this ilk in the White House? I think not!!"

Jay I like the cut of your jig...perhaps we can IM each other...I am putting together a new Church whose mission will be to get the message out about the One True One and all of My Chosen Ones.

Interested?

Hail Satan!

Posted by: Kill the Buddhists | August 23, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and why do liberals care so much about how 'loved' by the world someone is? The way I see it is if Communist China, Cuba, N. Korea; close to communist Russia, close to communist Social Democratic Europe; dictatorships in Africa 'love, adore, and want as President' someone, that person is not the one I want to vote for. I do not give a crap what others think of us as long as our country does what it needs to do to survive and prosper, then worry about others and their feelings. The US under the Bush '43 administration has sent more money in terms of aid to other countries than ANY previous time in History. The dollar amount is vastly more than what comes from ANY other '1st world' nation. The American people DONATE more money per capita and total than ANY other nation on Earth. What does that tell you?

Posted by: Indiana Man | August 23, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The USA has NEVER elected a MORMON to higher office. What's after that? A SCIENTOLOGIST??

THESE PEOPLE ARE A CULT...WATCH OUT!!

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how the Obamabots here keep saying and "Biden would be capable of being President" as if that is a remedy for the fact Obama isn't. The guy on the top of the ticket should "be capable" too. Biden is a horrible choice, he was forced to give up one Presidential run on charges of plagiarism, he brings nothing to the ticket. It makes one feel that several other better candidates must have turned Obama down.

Posted by: georgemyers | August 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Change is perfectly fine, but winning is better. So for me, Obama made a wise choice. It seems that some want change but never think of winning the election.

Posted by: truth1 | August 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Indiana Man,

WELL SAID!

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 12:57 PM | Report abuse

sorry about my last post, i was supposed to ask you what we get for/with mccain? more of what we have? *&#@ that! my wife and I are healthcare professionals, we talk with people daily that are deciding between buying food, medicine or heating their homes. retirees who are not allowed to work because singles that make more than 700/month or couples that make more than 980/month make too much to get full benefits! yet we spent trillions in the middle east to kill people who were not involved in the 9/11 attacks. your grandparents are dying in pain and misery because the republican administration's mismanagement of the former budget surplus does not allow them the help they thought was coming. you look at those numbers and think, what is left after heating your home in winter, keeping the lights and water on, and getting food if possible. tell your families that you love your party more than them and vote for four more years of this! I say ENOUGH!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Real Democrats are the patriots that support their country and Hilary Clinton.

the brainwashed Anti American cultists that support Obama are in for a very rude awakening soon.

Posted by: No Choice but McCain 08! | August 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Who in their clear, sane mind wants Obama in the White House if/when we have more terrorist action on our home turf? He is a young, string bean of a guy, who does NOT project strength by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention his wafting promises~and a VP pick that goes against his platform of change. Wake up, people. God help America.

Posted by: incredulous | August 23, 2008 12:58 PM | Report abuse

OMG! Obama is a horrible speaker because his teleprompter failed!

HAHAHA! You guys are hilarious.

8 years of an embarrassing, stammering, blithering idiot and you freak out over this. What's next, finding hidden meanings in a person's name? Oh, wait, you've done that already. Maybe you should give astrology and numerology a run too.

Oh, and this guff over Biden being boring or has hair plugs etc...bleah bleah bleah. He's smart and experienced and a fighter. That's all you need to concern yourselves with. If you are so concerned, then go look up some Biden videos or go back to the debates and you'll see this guy is most certainly NOT boring. Other than Ron Paul, his foreign policy is hard to beat. And he's pretty hilarious. I mean, what's not to love about "a noun, a verb, and 9/11"? Besides, he has pretty teeth. Happy now?

Sheesh. You people make me sick. Bill Maher is right.

Posted by: krissy | August 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Joe,

Elitist? Are you full on dumbass? Biden rides the train from Delaware to DC everyday to do his job.

McCain can't remember how many houses he owns and is married to a woman worth at least 100 million.

I suggest you go to your local library, pick up the dictionary, and look up the word elitist. Unless you think elitist means "worked hard for what he/she's got," you're confused.

Posted by: Skidboot | August 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

When McCain has a coronary due to his advanced age do you REALLY want a CULT MEMBER stepping in?

Posted by: Jay | August 23, 2008 12:59 PM | Report abuse

MaRION OR was it Mary? -- Protests : "Sorry to bust your theory. I'll be happy to show you the canceled checks."

If that is true...then...Grow Up. Get a life. Stop your Idolatry.

Hail Liberalism!

Posted by: Four more Years | August 23, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

What the Obama supporters DO NOT UNDERSTAND at this point (PLease get this through your thick heads)...

Just because I'm not voting for Obama DOEN'T mean I will vote for McCain!


I may vote Green Party or maybe Nadar.

So PLEASE GET OFF YOUR HIGH HORSE OF "It's Obama or nothing".


But I tell you this much, with Obama's supporters arrogant attitudes, you'll never get my vote for nothing.

Posted by: Toby | August 23, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Mormonism is a CULT started by a true HERETIC named John Smith. One of Mr. Smith's STATED GOALS was the overthrow of TRADITIONAL CHRSTIANITY. Can we allow someone of this ilk in the White House? I think not!!

Posted by: Jay
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Jay, you are friggin nutjob! Please drink the kool aid or leave this country. you are not wanted here.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If you want the USA to be the 'lovers and protectors' of the world, we might as well be the policemen too. Its time for the people of this nation to see reality. The federal governemnt spend vast amounts of money of federal entitlements, and yes, has spent vast amount on small wars like Iraq, Afgan., the Balkans, Somalia, the latter two done under Democrats watch; and where where the liberals at then? I guess the slaughter of Bosnians was fine... Anyway, people need to learn to be responsible for themselves. I say the Fed needs to cut back on entitlements. That bill only gets bigger every day and has since the 1940's.

Posted by: Indiana Man | August 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

posted by: obiewan
[Apparently a sarcastic comment that Biden is not very good when it comes to criticism of the opposition:] "Biden really tore up those Democrats that ran in the primaries."
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As I remember, the Democrats that ran in the primary were: (a) all Democrats; and (b) immensely better qualified for the presidency than the Republican clown prince that currently occupies the White House or his neo-clones like McCain. Biden had absolutely no reason to criticize his Democratic colleagues: they're the good guys.

Posted by: John from NC | August 23, 2008 1:01 PM | Report abuse

"Mormonism is a CULT started by a true HERETIC named John Smith. One of Mr. Smith's STATED GOALS was the overthrow of TRADITIONAL CHRSTIANITY. Can we allow someone of this ilk in the White House? I think not!!"

Well said!!

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

As an Obama supporter, this is the first decision by Obama that has deeply disappointed me. The Democrats haven't won the White House without a southerner on the ticket in over 100 years, and I fear that the GOP will use Biden's anti-Obama comments to strong effect.

Posted by: Obama in 2008 | August 23, 2008 1:02 PM | Report abuse

The US news media, for ratings sake, love to portray Senator Obama as the modern JFK, and ergo, the inmense news coverage of his recent visit to Germany. Then again, Senator Obama "... ich bin NICHT ein Berliner ..."

Unfortunately, Senator Obama is no modern Jack Kennedy. Let's take a trip through Memory Lane:

JFK
- 4 years military service (1941 - 1945) and a decorated WWII veteran
- 7 years US Congress (1947 - 1953)
- 7 years US Senate (1953-1960)

OBAMA
- 0 years military service
- 0 years US Congress
- 2 years US Senate

I do confess that Senator Obama - like our venerated JFK - is indeed a young, handsome, educated, and well-spoken idealistic politician with great personal hopes and expectations. He indeed could had actually become - at best - a VP candidate worth considering and, with this VP experience under his belt, a major contender for the US Presidency later on. Unfortunately, right now, he has no experience in dealing with the three major High Interest Groups that actually control Capitol Hill (i.e., US pharmaceuticals, US oil companies, and US defense contractors) ... unless, of course, he becomes a mere puppet of the Democratic Party inner circle, now that Senator Biden on his side - the modern LBJ ???

Food for thought ... God bless the USA ... and may HE have mercy on our souls should we make a mistake this November 2008.


Posted by: Louie | August 23, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Some Idiot Blows out, "the brainwashed Anti American cultists that support Obama are in for a very rude awakening soon."

Dude, that's already happened, try to keep up with the rest of us, or fall behind - in your case I no longer care.

Yours in Christ

Posted by: Get a Clue | August 23, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

obama and biden share my values and the democratic party advocates the policies that i believe in. they strongly support the minorities,while mccain does not.

Posted by: pbserver | August 23, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I have many hours clocked campaigning for Hillary & thousands of telephone calls to prove it. But the Hillary supporters should get over it. Joe Bidden IS the male Hillary. Obama-Biden (sounds good!) should now go out there & wipe the floor with Citizen McCain all the way through the front portico of the White House. Philip Fontana

Posted by: Philip Fontana | August 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Jay and Mary (I'm sure that you are the same person),

The LDS church was not founded by John Smtih. The first prophet of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints was JOSEPH Smith.

If you are so lacking in accuracy on such a basic principle, what else are you incorrect about?

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Jon,
The data does not make much sense unless you also report how many of your sample already support Obama. I will exaggerate to illustrate this: if 90% of your sample ALREADY supported Obama, and the selection of Biden only reinforced their choice, sure as hell, there Biden's choice would cause no change in the voting behavior of 90% of your sample. The same would hold for the McCasin voters. The point is that your report of 75% no change in voting pattern makes no sense unless you also report how many were inclined to vote for Obama and how many were inclined to vote for McCain BEFORE the Biden selection.

Posted by: Chapel Hill, NC | August 23, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

To all you misguided people who put down George Bush, please take note. When the dust settles and a bit of time passes, George Bush will be admired as the man who held fast in Iraq and brought freedom to a country in the middle east when all said it was a lost cause.

Posted by: Carole | August 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Hey Joe,

Are sure you are not a Republic posting the rhetoric on this blog?

And Shaun, grow up. Quite whining. How could anyone vote for McCain because Hillary is not the nominee? Rent a brain for a day - you might like and want to purchase one. If McCain is elected, and therefore WHEN the next war is started, please feel very responsible for all of the death and destruction that you helped along the way. And now can we talk about women's rights and the Supreme Court?

Posted by: Brenda | August 23, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

As someone with a Masters in Religious Studies, I thought I'd weigh in on the Mormonism debate going on here. Due to the highly secretive nature of the Mormon faith (not unlike Scientology) as well as their reluctance to make public and state their worldview, I'm highly suspect of anyone running for high office who professes to this religion / sect / cult. Until this issue of transparency is cleared up (which I don't expect any time soon due to the highly secretive nature of the Mormon Church) I advise extreme caution to all potential voters.

Posted by: Josiah | August 23, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Who in their clear, sane mind wants Obama in the White House if/when we have more terrorist action on our home turf? He is a young, string bean of a guy, who does NOT project strength by any stretch of the imagination. Not to mention his wafting promises~and a VP pick that goes against his platform of change. Wake up, people. God help America.
--Posted by: incredulous
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I am Trying to help America! You are lucky you guys are still around. Do you know how many times i had to "intervene" these past 8 years because that nutjob you guys elected. Being an Omnipotent being, you should listen to me-- Elect Obama. He is your best hope.

Love,
God

Posted by: Godhimself | August 23, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

WIZARD OF OZ TICKET - O'Bama/Biden

Given that O'Bama can't speak without a teleprompter and Biden can't write his own speeches..Shouldn't this be called this the Wizard of Oz ticket?

You can't hold Biden's harsh words for O'Bama against him. They probably weren't even his words.

O'Bama says he'll bring change. Is this like change in a jar on your dresser? Give us substance!

What about a Nader/Clinton ticket? Has anyone mentioned it to Hill?


Posted by: Pat Mabooty | August 23, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

There is nothing secretive about the Mormons. They put it all out there for everybody.

www.mormon.org
www.lds.org

It is probably the best documented religion out there.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

A heck of a good choice!

Biden will mop the floor in the debate vs. the Republican VP nominee - Hopefully they won't include a slaughter rule like they have in softball. His experience in foreign policy matters is far and away superior to McCain's take no prisoners bluster. His being a "loose cannon" is perfect fodder for Obama ... he'll say things that Obama can't or won't say and Biden will do it with a manner that will have class yet be very cutting. He's an "average Joe" and has close family ties ... witness his daily commute back home instead of drinking the Potomac Kool-Aid 24/7. He guarantees Pennsylvania will be in the Obama column ... he's a Scranton kid and Obama needs to attract the socially conservative Dems like them - Obama's big weakness.

Posted by: Nick H. | August 23, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Wow, you mean that Romney could be a Mormon manchurian candidate? Too scary for me. I'm voting Obama!

Posted by: Lacey | August 23, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Speaking as a rightwing Neocon I want to say thank you to team barry for picking the worst possible democrat you could find.

Posted by: NEOCON | August 23, 2008 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't the fact that half of the Democrats gave Hillary their vote ? She has a mandate to protect those votes from those who would wish to nullify them.. The Place to do this is on the floor of the Convention in front of the World... Go get em Hillary !!

Posted by: Ed | August 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

To all you misguided people who put down George Bush, please take note. When the dust settles and a bit of time passes, George Bush will be admired as the man who held fast in Iraq and brought freedom to a country in the middle east when all said it was a lost cause.

Posted by: Carole
____________________________________

Carole, whatever you are smoking, stop right now!

Bush's legacy will be that he lied to get us into a war for oil. he trashed our standing in in the world order. and he will be remembered as the absolute worst president in USA history and the absolute worst western leader in history. He has the blood of tens of thousands of human beings on his hands. And he should be in jail.

Posted by: jim | August 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Don't Mormons believe Jesus partied with the Indians? Cool.

Posted by: Tomo | August 23, 2008 1:15 PM | Report abuse

To all you enlightened people who put down George Bush, please take note. When the dust settles and a bit of time passes, George Bush will be scoffed at, as the man who delivered Iraq to the Iranians and brought chaos to a country in the middle east when the all=Neo-Cons said it was a lost cause.

Hail Satan!

Oh and Hi John S.

Sorry you got corrupted...be more careful about your ear.

Me...I got to watch my eye.

gnostic11

To all, it's been fun but I got a life I got to get back to now...enjoy yours.

Really

Posted by: I AM not Carole | August 23, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

What a disappointing choice. Being from Delaware, Biden's first priority is to protect rich, corporate America; so how does this fit in with Obama's rhetoric?

I'm voting Nader.

Posted by: Ken Sternberg | August 23, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Senator Joe Biden is Obama's training wheels on foreign policy. Yikes!

Posted by: Dan | August 23, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Regarding worst president, I have two words for you Jimmy Carter. Also may I suggest that you review facts. Upon careful examination I believe that it could arguably be construed that you have
been brainwashed and are unable to see the
truth. I understand that there are a lot of ill informed out there.

Posted by: Carole | August 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

This poll is utterly idiotic. OK, 75% say it makes no difference; WaPo was asking people BEFORE it was actually official that Obama would be picking him. Also, Biden has a rather limited national profile and a good portion may have picked "no difference" because they have never heard of Biden before.

The 13% more likely to vote for Obama and the 10% less likely to vote for Obama numbers make no sense without context. How many of these people were already supporting Obama? How many were already supporting McCain? How many were leaning or potentially swing voters? How many were undecided?

It's completely possible that a large portion of 13% are safe Obama voters and the 10% are safe McCain voters.

What a vapid poll.

Posted by: pgbsan | August 23, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know that " partied with the Indians" is an accurate description. But they do believe that He was talking about the American Indians (among others) in John 10:16.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Biden always seems in awe of his own brilliance, as if he's doing everyone a favor by just opening his mouth.
Obama/Biden . . . horrifying speechifying.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Obama is my man!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Now if you could only flip the Democrat ticket...and leave Bizarro World.

Posted by: Henry E | August 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Josiah, did you get your Masters off a cereal box?

And Lacey, a Mormon is too 'scary' for you! Do you have nay idea what a Muslim' is????

Also, what "Change" are you teen agers wanting? The best economy in the world, the most freedoms in the world, the most opportunity in the world, the greatest advancment for minorities in the world, and you want Change!!!!

Posted by: shawn M | August 23, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Very disappointed in Obama's choice. I had voted for Obama in the primary - but as this campaign has progressed and especially seeing that he has selected Biden as his running mate this will mark the first time in nearly 40 years of voting that I won't be voting for a Democrat for President. Bye Bye Barrack.

Posted by: Richard in VA | August 23, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden the two most pompous bores in politics.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Its simple to me...Obama is getting my vote even if he picked Alf for a running mate.
Only a completely blind and deaf person would cry about this...Oh why didnt you pick Bill Mahr? I wish he had picked Rush L?...Get over your selves America...And vote for Obama if you still want to breath air and not fire.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Mormons are downright scary. It's the secretiveness that puts people off. What do they REALLY believe?

Bottom line: They just don't seem like us.

Posted by: Tomo | August 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

To quote Deisix:

"Hey Young and worried in America:

get a job and pay taxes you moron!

stop thinking you are entitled to anything. you want free healthcare move to cuba!"

It's a shame people can't disagree without name calling and insults. I have a full time job and pay taxes like everyone else. I never said I was entitled to anything. Lack of healthcare in America is a serious issue for many people. Stop attacking me, act your age and stick to the issues.

Young and worried in America

Posted by: Obama/Biden08 | August 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This is a good ticket Barack/Biden. It is like a tree with old and strong roots with new and fresh leaves. This is when a tree looks good and is strong.

Barack has someone to look for advice and support, whose credentials are better than anyone else's.

Posted by: Robert Hood | August 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

"....unless, of course, he becomes a mere puppet of the Democratic Party inner circle, now that Senator Biden on his side - the modern LBJ ???"

LOL-- You said that with a straight face, do you realize that the Republican Party is ALREADY pulling the strings of the Manchurian Canidate known as McShame?-- McCain was not even considered till he flip-flopped his positions to agree and conform with BUSH the Younger-- McCain doesn't have the slightest clue right now, and his handlers better keep him on a shorter leash before he really screws up George's attempt at a 3rd term

Posted by: Pax | August 23, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Nobama thought he was too good. He thought he was sooo much better than the Clintons. He thought he was Jesus, came to unite the world, and that the Clintons were old fools, lacking his touch. He was cocky, arrogant, clueless, and foolish.

The media pimps fed his ego. They have long ago become pompous fools with no critical thought, no insights, no will to question; in short they became useless long ago. But now they became harmful, feeding a frenzy, cultivating a whole group of simpletons that became groupies of Nobama. These koolaid drinking nuts bought into the whole Nobama snakeoil and believed that if only every one thought like them and voted Nobama, the world will be solved of all its problems.

Now, the Nobama balloon has been pierced. As the writer said, the helium has leaked out. He was never more than a windbag; w/o the helium, he is looking like a very small punctured rubber bag.

The country fell for this 8 years ago. The pity is that those same old fools that bought into the Bush nonsense now have fallen for the Nobama snake oil. These fools think their fault was picking the wrong man then. How silly? The problem was their lack of thought, suspension of questioning ability and skepticism; their willingness to follow the latest fad like a bunch of rats in the Piper story.

Now they have doe it again. Thankfully the election is not over yet, and the Repubs have given us at least a palatable choice, the best they could have done. If it was Giuliani or Freddie, it could have been a Scylla and Charybdis choice in Nov. Now it aint so bad.

And now this pick. The snake oil sloganeer claimed all along that he was for change, what ever that meant. He said judgement was the key, not experience.

But inside he knew all the time that he was a fake; he knew he could fool enough in the dem party to steal the nomination but not the whole country to steal the election. SO he went and picked a garrulous nut that has a big mouth, a foot that fits into that mouth, and a penchant to keep shoving that foot into that mouth.

Change - what change? 36 years of insidership. Anti-war? What is that, for some one who voted for Iraq war. Heck, did this guy even endorse Brrack even by June 2nd? Perhaps Joey was waiting to see which one wins, cause he wanted to be on the ticket regardless of who was on top.

And what of Brraack's lie that HRC would be on "any one's short list". WHat a two faced lie, we all knew he was lying, and now it is confirmed. He did n't even vet. Now the Clinton supporters are free to go where they really want tobe - which is not in Nobama's camp.

Just a few months ago, Joey thought Nobama had no experience to run anything. He thought Mac makes a better ticket. Heck, Joey even said he would be honored to be on Mac's ticket.

Joey was n't lying then. He had nothing to lose back then. He would be lying today.


Posted by: intcamd1 | August 23, 2008 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Any truth to the story that McCain has Alzheimer's but the RNC knows it's too late to back out now?

Posted by: Harry | August 23, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

It is unbelievable what hypocrites these Democrats are. Obama defeats Hillary in the primaries on one issue and one issue alone: HILLARY'S VOTE FOR THE IRAQ WAR.

Then he turns around, doesn't even vet Hillary (who received 18 million primary votes) and selects a running mate who voted FOR the Iraq War SAME AS HILLARY.

You Democrats all have a great mysogynistic DNC Convention now.

Posted by: Jay12 | August 23, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

This is a good ticket Barack/Biden. It is like a tree with old and strong roots with new and fresh leaves. This is when a tree looks good and is strong.

Barack has someone to look for advice and support, whose credentials are better than anyone else's.

Posted by: Robert Hood | August 23, 2008 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Hillary earned her feminist chops vilifying and slamming all those "bimbos" that her husband screwed. She's a REAL feminist!!

Posted by: CarolP | August 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Biden is the best choice available to Sen. Obama. To Sen. Clinton's ardent fans: Get real. Sen. Clinton lost the primaries because Sen. Obama ran a smarter and more disciplined campaign. Mark Penn et. al. gave her lousy advise. She couldn't be on the ticket because her husband would never accept anyone other than her in the White House.
And so, you need to get a grip and vote for the best available candidate. Sen. McCain, albeit a decent man, represents 4 more years of George W. Bush and the permanent realignment of the US Supreme Court. Those who are gnashing their teeth about Sen. Clinton remind me of those who voted for Ralph Nader in 2000. You got Bush then - keep it up and you'll keep Bush in 2009.

Posted by: muleman | August 23, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

There are to many red-necks in America.
There are too many uneducated slobs driving expensive SUV's
There are too many rich old white men running the show.
There are too many churches lying to themselves and their gods.
There are too many apathetic television watching cowards whose peripheral vision is skewed by thier greed.
There are not enough ghosts of these people to whisper in our ears the losses they built.

Posted by: Dennis | August 23, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."

"I'm a great believer in luck, and I find the harder I work, the more I have of it."

All three quotes are from Thomas Jefferson. How far has the Democratic Party fallen! As Reagan also said, "I didn't leave the Democratic Party. The Democratic Party left me!"

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

'Anonymous | August 23, 2008 12:58 PM', you are NOT a health Care professional! Unless you are a janitor or maybe a Health Insurance Salesman, no insult intended you just are not a doctor or nurse. I can tell by your writing. Anyway, the federal budget allows for INCREASING spending in medicare/medicade. Along with things like building federal highways and paying federal employees, these types of expenditures are considered 'must spend' by the Fed government. They only get larger, that is the problem!!!! This country is losing money because the 'must spend' part of the federal budget is forever increasing. The Iraq war has absolutely nothing to do with it. Any cuts that are made in medicare/medicade (and social security) is because the number of people in these systems constantly goes UP! The government does not regulate very well and, yes, this leads to thousands of people sucking the system dry and hurting those who truly need help. Far left liberals make their careers on inflating these systems so more and more people are dependent on the government. They then tax the hell out of the middle class and the rich. How long do you think the middle class and the higher class (if you really believe in classes) can stand higher and higher taxes?

Posted by: Indiana Man | August 23, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks SolarDiablo! You too are right on!

Posted by: Indiana Man | August 23, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

The reason McCain has'nt picked his running mate is because he can't remember their names,how many houses he owns,where he lives or where he's at !!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

All Hail Lord Obama Messiah
He brings peace to the world
Solace to the sick
Riches to the poor
Hope to the desparate
Change we can believe in
Hallelujah

Joe Biden . . . ??? auuh, auuh, auuh . . .

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Shaun...give it up. You think Se. McMansion represents change?

Posted by: RobRoy1
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Barry ran as the candidate of change, NOT McCain. What about that do you not understand? Barry is just another hypocritical politician. His pick for VP is a Washington insider. Is that change? Give it up.

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

SO HE Picks someone who got 1000 votes inthe primaries VS someone who is exciting and got 18MILLION Votes? WHAT A JOKE!!! It just highlights his inexperience, not hide it. HE JUST LOST MY VOTE FOR GOOD

Posted by: darg | August 23, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"Elections have basically become a forum for organizing the hatreds of the population" Unfortunately, the Republican Hate Machine is very efficient and ruthless in the organization of their hatreds to compel and prod their "sheeple" to vote for their canidate-- Alas, once these same Republicans get into office they have absolutely NO clue about how to govern. It truly is a definition of insanity: to keep doing the same thing over and over expecting different results-maybe these folks who love the old fart, think that hey maybe if I vote for this guy I'll have 8 homes too- McCain and his ilk have instituted the worse possible tax on this Country-- by spending money like drunken sailors, the value of the dollar is about 1/2 of what it was when Bush took office-- gas was $1.46/gallon-- what's McCain's solution? "Work a second job, cancel your vacation...." Yep he understands the economy alright....can't afford 4 more of that!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

It's like a BB gun powered by air.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Those of you who have disparaging things to say about Joe Biden are speaking out of your butts. You obviously no Nothing about Joe Biden. Do your homework before you shoot off your (wrongly) opinionated mouths. This is a man of the people, a public servant in the best sense of the word, not your typical "insider" in the negative. His foreign policy cred is second to none and makes John "POW! POW! POW!" McSame out to be the lightweight that he is. Joe Biden is brilliant, will tell it like it is, has been strong on women's issues, labor, firefighters/police, and civil rights. He's the perfect pick. Obama/Biden is THE ticket.

Posted by: Kris | August 23, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

There are advantages to a weak dollar. We are importing much less and exporting much more. Where I work we are doing more business with European companies because they now consider the US to be a "high technology but low cost" pull center.

Posted by: SolarDiablo | August 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Louie, labor Unions make up the largest lobbing group. Check it out for yourself.

Posted by: Indiana Man | August 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

I too am one of those die-hard Hillary supporters. It took me time to warm up to Obama. Honestly, i have only paid attention closely after Hillary went out of the race.

But i think there is a quite a brilliant young man we have here. I have taken the time to understand his stands and policies better - and i think i can certainly and fully support him! And I like Joe Biden too - he is human with his strengths and his imperfections - not a stuffy senator at all! I think they will make a great team! I will always be sad that Hillary is not in the race, but for me the Democratic principles and values are higher than a single personality.

though i am a "late" supporter, i am all for the Obama-Biden ticket! If for nothing else, to avoid the utter horror of the fumbling McCain - what a pompous, empty man, so disconnected from reality, a complete flip-flopper of the worst kind, and befuddled all the time! I am at an age where i get sensitive about people ridiculing age, but Mr.McCain is just awful!!!

But more than that, what horrifies me is the prospect of the havoc McCain policies will wreak on our country that has already become economically and politically fragile and weak.

Posted by: Denise | August 23, 2008 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The democrats are having a sale: TWO POMPOUS GAS-BAGS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE! Forget the tire gauge - the dems have new energy plan: wind-power through endless hot air.

Here's the stuff the loony-left liberal media WILL NOT TELL YOU:

Biden and hussein share many characteristics. For example, they are both so lacking in honesty and ethics they blatantly plagiarize the words of others.

The many, many plagiarized speeches of Biden have been well documented. While at Syracuse Law School, Biden plagiarized a law review article in a class paper he wrote. He has not only plagiarized Americans, but British politicians as well, such as Neil Kinnock, then-leader of the British Labour Party. He's a true international plagiarizer. (This is what the liberal media mean when they say biden has "international experience".)

In his mediocre law school, Biden was only able to graduate 76th in a class of 85 - i.e., he was in the lowest 10.5%! Of course, while campaigning, he claimed falsely to have graduated in the "top half" of his class. A plagiarizer and a LIAR!

hussein is so mentally deficient from extensive drug use he even has to plagiarize his hollow platitudes. (His mental deficiencies appear to rival those of Biden.) His many plagiarized speeches have also been documented, including his theft of words from a speech by Deval Patrick, from Robin WIlliams' movie "Man of the Year", and others. Like Biden, hussein also has been caught in many, many lies.

Yep, the character of these two is as pathetic as it gets - they deserve one another. America deserves neither.

Posted by: ALEX H. | August 23, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Speaking out of out butts about this choice is appropriate. It was a crappy choice for Obama and will only strengthen the GOP.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Now change has been defined as bringing to the White House one of the biggest Washington insiders imaginable who has more lobbiest ties than the friends of Abrahams? Game over!

McCain is now free to pick anyone for his V.P. as Obama has made his last BIG mistake.

Posted by: DannoJyd | August 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

For those Hillary supporters who say they will vote for
McCain, do you really want a conservative pro-life Supreme
Court and a war with Iran? (Lieberman is a supporter for
Israel and Israel wants to wipe out Iran.) Are you willing to
give up your sons and daughters to continuing conflict in
Iraq and Iran?

Also, consider this. Do you really think most Americans
would vote for both an African-American AND a woman on
the same ticket? I don't think so.

Posted by: Dottie | August 23, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Joe Biden is a paradigm of mediocrity, always ready to deliver the foreign policy party-line with garbled solemnity. The chasm between the Obama of "change" and candidate Obama has widened x 10.

Posted by: John Exdell | August 23, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

The hypnotic spell Lord Obama cast is now rapidly evaporating, Biden will greatly accelarate this process as voters realize that we have not one but two grandstandng pompous windbags enthralled by their own elitist pretentions.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 1:59 PM | Report abuse

GREAT CHOICE! Biden clearly has the experience that Obama lacked. McMansion-W Bush Jr now has to choose between a real conservative or someone like himeself, say a Lieberman who flops and flips.

Posted by: Dan | August 23, 2008 2:02 PM | Report abuse

The only impact for the Barry camp will be negative. Barry slammed HRC for voting for the Iraq War. Biden also voted the same way. During the primaries, Biden stated numerous times that Barry was not qualified for the POTUS and praised McCain. Brilliant pick for an inexperienced empty suit. Does he have any judgment at all?

Posted by: Jack Straw | August 23, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Stupid dems are shaking in fear this morning. Deep down inside they know they'll yet another election in November. What a bunch of pathetic losers they all are...GO MCCAIN 2008!!!

Posted by: Marc | August 23, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Hey SolarDiablo...why don't you put up some of Jefferson's quotes about religion and government? Seems that the Republicans blew him off long ago.

Posted by: Perry | August 23, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

LOL. The self-described outsider chose an insider to try and win. How funny and yet another example of BO's hypocrisy

Posted by: Fightertom34 | August 23, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

"Never trouble another for what you can do for yourself."

So I have the power to bring down Healthcare costs? AWESOME!! I'm powerful!!

"A government big enough to give you everything you want, is big enough to take away everything you have."

Sounds like the Bush / Cheney motto for the past 8 years...but given that you're a moron, the irony no doubt just slipped right by didn't it?

Posted by: Perry | August 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

An arrogant, pompous, self-deluded populist elitist.

A) Barack Hussein Obama
B) Joe Biden
C) Both of the above

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Let see, do you Democrats actually believe a war hero and veteran Senator cannot measure up against 2 professional politicians who have accomplished.....nothing ever?

McCain, with serious plans for Energy Independence, whose Economic plan will keep this economy growing, and who has a smart tough national security agenda, cannot measure up against drama queen histrionics and pompous self-aggrandizing political posers? Two people who have done nothing in life but be self-worshiping professional politicians are going to be more appealing to “Independents” then “Maverick” McCain?

Get a grip Obamites, you all are living in a deluded fantasy land if you think your sort of hyperbolic political posturing is actually go to sell to the working people of this nation. Are there any adults in the Democrat Party anymore or is this sort of demented lunatic Junior High school caliber drama queen posturing the best they can come up with?

The "Lunchbox" voters want solutions, not pompous self-aggrandizing stump speeches. Obama/Biden offers us nothing but sound bites and slogans, we are looking for solutions. We are looking for a leader prepared to guide us in the 21st century, not one who has nothing to offer but a rehash of the same political agenda that failed under Jimmy Carter!

Obama/Biden 2008 is DOA. Make peace with that painful reality and lay of the over emotionally wrought hysteric postings children

Posted by: MnJohnnie | August 23, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll all the teorrist love the pick of Osmaa Bin Bidden. But this Obama to many is just plain stupid.

Posted by: Jeanie | August 23, 2008 2:11 PM | Report abuse

To taxed2much and others who claim that Obama will raise everyone's taxes, if you would actually bother to read the proposed plan instead of blindly believing the one-liners in McCain's ads (and Rush and O'Reilly) you would see that Obama's plan is to eliminate the tax cuts Bush gave to rich (those making more than $1M per year), not the middle and lower classes. Obama's plan for economic recovery includes a tax cut for the middle class. This plan increases the taxes of maybe 1% of the U.S. population. Maybe taxed2much is part of that 1% who is afraid of losing the benefit of the Bush economy's new hope for the fabulously wealthy. What I still don't get is how that 1% of the population was able to re-elect an administration whose entire economic policy from the outset was against the interests of the other 99%? Oh, yeah, they used their fabulous wealth to pay for the Swift Boat Kool-Aid that apparently half of the electorate drank. Add that to the 1% of Bush's base and there you have it.

Bottom line: Stop believing the one-liners and slime ads, and try educating yourself. (Or you can just vote Republican -- it's easier than thinking.)

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Good pick. Biden knows how many homes he owns! Obama/Biden a winning combo!

Posted by: Gus | August 23, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

For all of you closet haters. It wouldn't have mattered who Obama chose to be his running mate, it's all about Obama being the "presumptive nominee." Be honest with yourself, and stop skirting the issue.

Posted by: Barbara | August 23, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

It's too early to assess Biden's impact on the election. In the long run, though, he will definitely help Obama win the house and bring back some sanity to the White House.

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

This country is really messed up when half of the Democrat Party is steeped in hope claiming to want change, but would rather vote for the same old Bush misdirection in the form of McCain just because Biden has been in poltics since the '70s. Let's be clear--McCain has said that he would have us the Middle East for the next 100 years. I have to submit that we need to question our own intellect, our education of our children, and our own sense of values; if we cannot understand that the state of our economy is the result of not taking our budgetary surplus and investing it into our own well-being instead of having to use it to fuel the stablization of Bush's vengeful disaster in the Middle East. If we as a country cannot see this, than I fear that, like with the regimes, dictators, and non-democracies that we detest, our country's free thinking spirit and sense of freedom is being pacified by keeping us under-educated, so that we don't know any better when fed biased and closed-minded information, and are suspcious of open-mindedness by offering fear of the unknown as fact and "Gospel".

We cannot afford milk and eggs for our families, cold and heat for our homes, and fuel for our vehicles. We cannot educate nor afford to educate our children to understand simple social, political, and economic concepts (nevermind teaching them science and engineering, because we cannot afford the reasearch, resources, and materials, for them to create with). We cannot react confidently in the wake of natural and man-made disasters, nor do we have confidence in our reaction to future ones. All of this because the price of the gas/oil that makes the plastics and other packaging materials, that transports our goods, and that fuels/energizes our machines; has quadruptled under the eyes of the Bush Admistration; because the money to strengthen these efforts are either being spent cleaning up Bush's Middle Eastern mistakes, or being horded by our country's corrupt and elite.

We would be a nation of fools if our citizens cannot vote for McCain simply because we want his policies to dictate the future of this country, but rather choose to vote for McCain because McCain isn't Obama, or because Obama isn't Hillary; or even worse because McCain isn't Biden. If you vote for McCain because Biden doesn't represent change in your eyes, then what makes you think McCain represents change?

For the sake of our country, understand this: a line consists of two points and change consists of two lines. In order to change a line into a new direction, you need to know in what direction. You need to know where you've been in order to know where you are going to go. Without a point in the past to connect to a point in the present, you cannot guarantee change by just connecting that point in the present with a point in the future and hope that you didn't just merely extend the current line into the same direction.

Bush is the "present point". McCain is the "point" that just merely extends the current line which takes this country in the same dismal direction. Obama represents the point that changes the current doomsday direction towards a brighter more affluent future. Biden is the all important "past point" that lets us understand the details of our current direction.

Posted by: Greg | August 23, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Worst President ever:George Bush,the facts are our economy is the worst in this countries history,worse than the crash of 1929,the worst jobless rate in 30yrs,the lowest moral in our history,more homes being foreclosed,more layoffs and business closures,the Airlines,Auto Industry,Banks and finacial intitutions in trouble,Our country has outstanding loans from countries that use to be our enemies,Russia,China and Japan just to name a few and to fight a war in a country that Bush lied to the American people about having WMDs,George Bush has changed the Bill of Rights and the U.S.Contitution to suit his own agendas and disreguarded the will of the American people.He has out spent more than any 3 previous U.S. Presidents and still spending!! The first words out of his mouth was a lie,when he said:Im a Texan,,,well he's not,he was born in New Haven Conn. so I supose if he moved to China he would be Chinese!And you all seem to think its great that we have fought for the Iraqis to be free?Well where do we go now?who do we free next?To Korea,China,Iran,Russia,Africa or maybe Cuba?We are not the worlds police,and right now Our American Tax dollars and foreign borrowed money is paying for a war in a country that has the 3rd largest oil fields on the planet.George Bush has already been proven the worst President in U.S.History without any doubt..But go ahead and elect John McCain,maybe he will make Bush Look like a better president,he's already voted with Bush on most issues..

Posted by: I am A Texan | August 23, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

McMansion huh? You guys might want to be careful with that, not everyone hates success.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

How does one take a poll last night and give the results any credibility? He only just announced Biden so I'm puzzled who and when they polled? And to the person that says no Hillary means she'll vote mcsame. Were you ever really voting for Hillary cuz I don't believe it.

Posted by: sandy | August 23, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Obama and the DNC hijacked the primary. I like Joe Biden fine, but Hillary Clinton already earned the VP spot and Obama blew it. For the first time in my adult life (30 years of voting) I'll be voting against the Democrats, which means I'll hold my nose and vote for McCain. It took me all of 2 minutes to decide this last night when I heard Obama didn't pick HIllary -- the only Democrat or Republican candidate who can fix the mess this country is in. Obama is ill prepared and Biden is irrelevant.

Posted by: rich hall | August 23, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

The elephant in the room was Hilliary. If he wanted a selection that would really impact the race, he should have chosen Hilliary. It's "same old, same old." He is hardly the "candidate for change." He is as much a political animal as McCain. He voted "Present" 129 times over his eight years in the Illinois senate -- some principles, huh? Now he picks a consummate insider. I am reminding of the old saying "same sh_ _, different flies."

Posted by: Why Not Hilliary | August 23, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Look....it's simple! If you like the current American condition vote for McCain. If you have hope that Obama can change the direction this country is heading then vote for Obama!

If McCain is elected he will do what he knows(just a little slower given his advanced age) and that is maintaining the Bush/Cheney doctrent. He will do little for the most of us and do all he can for those who make $5million a year and can't remember how many homes they have. Oh and take us to war.

Posted by: Edward | August 23, 2008 2:33 PM | Report abuse

WOW! The Dems seem to be a little upity today.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Can Obama save you from you sins?

He can't even save us from Biden.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

John McCain didnt know how many houses he owned!Then says they were his wifes houses..Well hey,if your wife is hiding houses from you,you have a whole new problem..What else might she be hiding?Your medicine maybe?
FLASH:NEWS JUST IN: McCain says now he may pick Ronald Reagan as his running mate!!
Has'nt anyone told him the bad news?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Is it McSame or McShame. I'm confused.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Who would you trust to uphold the U.S. Constitution, (a) an educated man who taught constitutional law at a prestigeous law school for 12 years, or (b) a hot-headed man who says that the Supreme Court decision upholding the right to habeus corpus was the worst court decision ever made. It seems that Option (b) is ignorant of past decisions by the Supreme Court that upheld the principle that slaves were property (1856), that blacks had fewer rights than whites (1896), and that Japanese-Americans could be interned during WWII (1944). As the leader of a Nation of Laws, I'll take the option that actually understands the law.

Posted by: ANationofLaws | August 23, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

It was a great choice. I like how the democrats have ended up with 2 on the ticket with such great character. Both are great guys who are honest and committed public servants. Meanwhile, McCain is being corrupted by this campaign faster than any candidate in my lifetime. Can you imagine if McCain picked Romney? That would be the most artificial ticket of all time.

Posted by: IGY | August 23, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

This morning, Joe Biden was asked if southern voters would support a liberal democrate from the north east. He said " Im from a slave state...southern voters understand that". Im from Delaware, I dont understand that. Hes a disgrace.

Posted by: Delaware Proud | August 23, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

This morning, Joe Biden was asked if southern voters would support a liberal democrate from the north east. He said " Im from a slave state...southern voters understand that". Im from Delaware, I dont understand that. Hes a disgrace.

Posted by: Delaware Proud | August 23, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Not much of a surprise that he picked Biden. He wants to win.

And he will.

Posted by: Tina | August 23, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I'm 100% confident that Obama will change the direction of this country. That scares the hell out of me.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I was holding out hope for Hillary to be picked, but now that it's over I'm happy with the ticket. Biden is a great guy who can see through the BS in Washington. And, therefore, I'm sure he can see right through McCain's false humility and knows how to expose that fraud.

Posted by: MTK26 | August 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

It is so comical to read commentd from people who "claim" to be Democrat, but then say they will vote AGAINST "their beliefs" by voting for a Republican, and of ALL PEOPLE??, the FAMOUS P.O.W., John McCain, who hasn't done anything great at all SINCE his stories about his famous plane crash.

Joe Biden will be an excellent complement to our Obama ticket, as he shores up any area where Obama was accused of being "weak"! I think it's GREAT!! I was worried he'd weaken and settle for Hillary, so this gives me greater respect and confidence in his wisdom and strengths!!

Posted by: Maerzie | August 23, 2008 2:43 PM | Report abuse

I half expected Obama to pick 'Bigfoot'
I wasn't far off, instead he picked,

'BIGFOOT IN MOUTH'

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

harry - the funny thing is: JSM on his worst day WITH alzheimers.....can better run the country than BHO on his best day. and why exactly is BHO so intelligent. noone has ever been able to answer that one for me. even supporters. and in my informal poll NO-BOD-DEE knows what a 'community organizer' is. funny how everyone is afraid to ask. does anyone at all out there find all this a little strange? kinda weird?

Posted by: fred | August 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

As a long time Democrat who likes Biden, I still cannot get over Obama thumbing his nose at the Clinton's after all they have done for Americans and the party. I'm not saying he had to pick Hillary for VP but he needs to show a little respect for Hill and Bill and their strong supporters in the party. He has done nothing to reach out. The only one doing something for party unity is Hillary.

As a voter in a solid red state, I will not vote for Obama. It will not affect the election but it will subtract from his populary vote.

Posted by: Leser | August 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Obama and Biden will be speaking at the Illinois Old Statehouse Sqaure in Springfield shortly where Obama announced his candidacy on February 10, 2007 and where Lincoln spoke before he went on to serve in D.C. Lincoln had one term in Congress and had served in the Illinois legislature some time before. He succeeded James Buchanan who had more experience than perhaps any other person who had held the Presidency before. Buchanan's presidency was a disaster. In 1868 Grant, a hero in the North was elected President and was re elected in 1872. His presidency was also a failure. particularly because of corruption within his party. McCain got where he is by a combination of military family nepotism and marrying rich (the second time around) He was is the bottom 1% of his class, has a terrible temper and does know Sunni from Shiite. Unfortunately he looks likes a President to too many and as Lincoln said, you can fool some of the people all of the time. We don't need another term of Bush put on by his 95% supporter.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | August 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Anationoflaws

You don't know much about professors, do you.

Posted by: Ken | August 23, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

"Why not Hillary"...I understand people wanting to support Hillary and she just might have made a great President. Everyone who knows anything about politics knows she would not have accepted the VP spot. That is why she was not asked. The Clintons have bigger plans. She will count on Obama loosing this race so she can run in 2012. This has already started. If she really cared about making sure Obama(a demecrat) She would have her Husband(womenizer) on the campaign trail as if she were indeed running. Lets see you gets alot of the blame should Obama loose.

Posted by: Edward | August 23, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

"So, a 35 year Washington insider is "change we can beleive in"?" (He's 47)

Sure is...Hey McBush's buddy Mikheil Saakashvili-- President of Georgia (the country not the state LOL) was 37 when he took over..

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

You guys better not gloss over this Hillary thing. It's important.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah I'm 100% confident that Obama will change the direction of this country. That scares the hell out of me."

I'm 100% confident McSame WON'T change the direction of this Country. THAT scares the hell out of me.

Posted by: Pax | August 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I would like to appologize for my typo's in my last comment.

Posted by: Edward | August 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I gotta say that I wasn't too enthusiastic with the negro getting the democratic nomination through the caging of his caucus wins, but I would have voted for him if Hillary was on the ticket.

Now I will vote for McCain...on the assumption that the economy will get so bad that it will spark some kind of uprising. I can stomach this better than me voting for Obama and Biden.

Posted by: Michael | August 23, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

OBAMA = CHAINS
Biden is just the kind of grandeous knucklehead who can grandfather in all sorts of ruinous laws like 'fairness' doctrines which will make the Obama 'change' turn into Obama 'CHAINS' shackling the freedom of America's people.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:50 PM | Report abuse

"Yeah I'm 100% confident that Obama will change the direction of this country. That scares the hell out of me."

I'm 100% confident McSame WON'T change the direction of this Country. THAT scares the hell out of me.

Hillary was the only hope, I'm disgusted.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Negro huh, how can you call him a negro he's only half black. Hillary is more of a negro than Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

In olden times a sheperd known as Biden of Delaware had heard of the powers of the one known as the messiah. Biden a poor Sheperd with only one mansion was a non believer in the powers of the messiah. One very cloudy cold and wet day as Biden was tending his flock he spotted a caravan of Chevy Tahoe Suvs. A feeling came over him as he saw the messiah exit from his carraige with an entourage of robotic men wearing sunglasses. As the messiah approached Biden he felt a strange calm of which he had never known before. The messiah placed his hand on the sheperd Biden's forehead. As the messiah carressed the sheperds head the sun began to shine and white doves suddenly appeared in the sky. It was at this moment that the humble sheperd bowed and kissed the feet of the messiah for now he was a true believer and hopes to follow the messiah to Washington to set up residence at the Naval Observatory.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:55 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he's half I believe it's less.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Dear Colleagues and Friends:
I think Mr. Obama made a great choice. Joe Biden has experience and is enough “insider” in Washington but not against change Obama wants.
For those of us who are bitter about Hillary not being selected I have following three comments:
We do not want Bush-Clinton -Bush Clinton keep going.
Most important Clintons damaged the party and their own image by not getting out graciously and timely. If you have anyone acting this way in your life do you want to select that person as your working partner, life partner or any kind of partner? The plain and pragmatic answer is a strong "NO". Let us learn and practice in our personal life from what Obama has done in this first serious political decision.
Thank you

Posted by: Kamendra Mishra | August 23, 2008 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"negro"? What country is this? South Africa? Why even give substance to an opinion diluted with such undertones? The only colors that matter are those on the Stars and Stripes. The only race that matters is the "human" one that our Maker created.

Posted by: Greg | August 23, 2008 3:01 PM | Report abuse

You know you're right, this is first decision. To bad it sucks!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:02 PM | Report abuse

thank you Indy. the name was inadvertently left off.

now not all doctors and nurses work in hospitals now. this being the 21st century some of us meet with and talk with people in other settings. I'm not a janitor nor am i a salesman of any kind.I am licensed in several states and have degrees (as in more than one) that i worked very hard for (as an FYI, i also attended but did not complete USNA, so I know JM had brains once, just not anymore) i do presently work counselling people on taking their meds AS prescribed and thereby staying healthy enough to not let their diseases send them to the ER every other day(yeah, a lot of sick people do go that often).
you make some good points about what ELSE federal money is spent on, but stop lying to us and yourself, where do ou think the war funding comes from except cutting back in other "people" programs.
this country would survive another four more years of the same old crap, but why should we want to?

to all:
why should we care what the rest of the world thinks? because those are the people who buy American in foreign countries, raise the value of the dollar abroad and decide it's worthwhile to listen when America's leader speaks.

Posted by: THE curious black | August 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

"An arrogant, pompous, self-deluded populist elitist.

A) Barack Hussein Obama
B) Joe Biden
C) Both of the above"

You're believing the Kool Aid, Rush is telling you to drink? a "Populist" is a bad thing? So let's see if I can figure this out... One guy is the son of a single mother. He was editor of the Harvard Law Review, just finished paying off his student loans a few years ago, and made his money writing a book. He is branded an empty celebrity/elitist. The other guy is the son of a four-star admiral. He was 494th out of 499 in his class at Annapolis, has never had anything but a government job his entire life, made his money by dumping his first wife for a younger heiress and doesn't know he has 8 houses. He gets branded as a maverick.

Wake up people: McBush = Elitist, Obama = Maverick

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: John from NC
As I remember, the Democrats that ran in the primary were: (a) all Democrats; and (b) immensely better qualified for the presidency than the Republican clown prince that currently occupies the White House or his neo-clones like McCain. Biden had absolutely no reason to criticize his Democratic colleagues: they're the good guys.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Well, I suggest you do some research on YouTube. You will find Biden saying just a few months ago that he doesn't think Obama is ready to fill the office of President. He said Obama lacks EXPERIENCE. Then you will find Biden praising McCain. What happened in a few months to change his mind? I'll help you out, NOTHING HAPPENED. Biden said he wasn't interested in being the VP pick and now look at him licking Obama's toes like a he has a foot fetish gone wild. Yeah, like I'm going to believe anything coming out of Biden's mouth.

How many votes did Biden get in the primaries? Do you know? I'll tell you, LESS THAN 10,000!!! How many votes did Hillary get? I'll help you again, 18,000,000!!! Now what kind of idiot would take a person as their VP that has so few votes and then in the process pi$$ off fully half of those 18 million Hillary voters? I'll help you again, his name would be OBAMA!!! Sure, say Bush is the clown prince. Even the clown prince wouldn't be so stupid as to choose Biden over Hillary as his running mate.

Posted by: obiewan | August 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

but but but...what happened to all that change that was coming?

Barry's first real decision is BIDEN???

BIDEN who has singlehandedly given the credit card companies everything they've asked??

MBNA Joe is change?? Obama needs to lay off his crack pipe.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

John McCain says life begins at time of conception,does that apply to chickens also?Or are they still eggs till they hatch,and since not all eggs are fertile how do we know which ones we are actually killing when prepairing breakfast?

All we are hoping for is that Obama save us from Republicans and the terrible things they have done to our country.With them in office,who needs terrorist?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This looks like one more spineless, corporate-controlled, pro-corporate welfare presidential ticket. What a charade.

Posted by: Adam Fulford | August 23, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

"negro"? What country is this? South Africa? Why even give substance to an opinion diluted with such undertones? The only colors that matter are those on the Stars and Stripes. The only race that matters is the "human" one that our Maker created.

Why don't you ask all those who support on that basis. He is a marxist. How many on this thread, that speak so highly of him, know anything about him.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR THE BLACK CRACKHEADS ON THE STREET CORNER.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

McCain is not telling the American people the truth when it comes to drilling off-shore. He is using the same tactics that Bush used in order to get his war. He is with holding the true facts and his adds are misleading.

Fact:If off shore drilling was permited this very minute, none of the big 5 oil companies would be able to drill. They do not have the rigs available, nor the works in place. It truely would take no less than 5 to 7 years to see any oil from those locations. Plus! McCain makes it sound like it's our oil. This is also not ture. The oil that would come out of off-shore drilling would be sold on the world market at market prices! Fast forward 5 to 7 years...no one knows what gas prices will look like. Most certaily the world demand would be greatly increased. This will mean higher gas prices. McCain will look to protect the oil companies just as Bush has. Wait and see.

Posted by: Funkdeath | August 23, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

oiewan- "Even the clown prince wouldn't be so stupid as to choose Biden over Hillary as his running mate."

So who would the clown prince be so stupid as to choose for a VP?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

And the Messiah Obama asked his beloved disciple Biden, "Who say ye I am?"

And the disciple Biden answered, "they say ye are the Messiah, but I say ye are not fit to lead us to the promised land."

And the Messiah replied, "ye see through a glass darkly, there is much you do not understand about me, but there will come a time when all will be clear to you. Have faith my dear one, and you will be the rock upon which I will build my kingdom."

And a light from Heaven came down upon disciple Biden annointing him to help the Messiah carry out his Divine mission of 'change'.

But disciple Biden still entertained doubts and his many flaws eventually wound up getting the Messiah crucified in the elections.

Amen.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: trainor - Biden is smart,savvy and capable of actually saing sane things. He actually had more presidential credentials than any other candidate in the primaries. And he could "take over" if needed.

But, Biden got low grades in law school and was at the bottom of his law school class (76th out of 85). Biden also is known to say some pretty off the mark things. I agree that he could take over to be the president and he should be the one at the head of the ticket.

Posted by: David | August 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"Hillary was the only hope, I'm disgusted.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 2:51 PM "

LOL! Yeah, right. Hillary is a self-serving dishonest fraud. She was the only hope for a Clinton dynasty. Good riddance.

Posted by: YoMama | August 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"How many on this thread, that speak so highly of him, know anything about him."

How many that speak so lowly of him, know anything about him?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Here is your change.
Quit defending America against terrorist.
Raises taxes.
Keep America dependant on foriegn oil.
GOD knows what other great ideas he'll come up with.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

What's so "change" about Obama anyway? That he's inexperienced, has crooked friends, can buy concerts for his speeches, and that he's a master flip-flopper?

So what would Obama be doing while the more "experienced" politician runs the country?

Oh and for the people that are bashing Mr. McCain based on his military service, you should be ashamed of yourself because you are spitting in the face of all of those who have paid in blood for you to bee free.

Posted by: Johnny | August 23, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Posted by Trainor: Biden is smart,savvy and capable of actually saing sane things. He actually had more presidential credentials than any other candidate in the primaries. And he could "take over" if needed.

Biden might be smart, but he was at the bottom of his law school class (76 out of 85).

I agree with others who said that Biden should be on the top of the ticket.

Posted by: smedley | August 23, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

HEY morons, the only way this doesn't work is if we decide to not let it work due to our personal pique. choose your stands and do not fail!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

All you stupid selfish racist Hilary voters GET OVER IT ALREADY! Your pathetic candidate lost!

Posted by: Joey Rynan | August 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Newsflash:

Alzheimer's strikes John McCain!! Tragedy for the McCain clan!!

Posted by: Barry | August 23, 2008 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Here's the MCCAIN recipe for success:

1) Theocracy for the USA

2) Take over anyone we feel like

3) Bankrupt the Treasury (we could print more maybe)

4) Appoint Cindy Secretary of Pharmacologicals

Posted by: Jeb | August 23, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

LOL stupid selfish rachist Hilary voters... you are not worthy of Obama Bin Biden!!

ROFL

What a joke this circus cult has made of the democrats.

Posted by: Ronnie | August 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Hillary!...Please go away...far away and take Billy with you.

And to all of you PUMA's out there...give it up! Go ahead and not vote or vote for McSame. What ever you need to have closure.

You Hillary lovers are like a five-year old child who won't eat your veggies! Sit at the table of Democracy, hold your breath till you turn blue hoping someone will care...guess what. We don't, so eat your veggies!

Get behind Obama or get ready to send your five-year olds off to war.

Posted by: Funkdeath | August 23, 2008 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Nice spelling, "ronnie". Must be nice to be a moron, huh?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

My fellow Democrats, this election will determine whether or not this country has any chance of regaining the respect it had on the world stage before 2001 and if our economy will get back to where it was in the 1990's. These will only happen with a change at the top. If you stay home or vote for McCain, then you will get what you wished for. We can't stand four more years of imcompetance in the White House. That is what we will get with McCain and whomever he selects as his running mate.

If you want

Posted by: pjente | August 23, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey I voted for Hillary. But the Party chose Obama, so Obama will recieve my vote. I agree!! All you sore-losing Hillary supporters, GET OVER IT. It's no longer Obama vs. Clinton. It's Democrats vs. Republicans.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Tweedle Dee and Tweedle Dumb
Two populist demogogues passing out the 'cool aid' for messianic liberal aethists who want to believe that salvation comes from politicians.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a good choice for Republicans. If nothing else, it shows the weakness of Obama on just about everything that matters; defense, foreign relations and the economy.

Bottom-line the president makes the decisions. The vice-president hold his hat. As far as any measure of experience this ticket is upside down, but then that would be true whomever Obama picked for the second spot.

Posted by: FRS | August 23, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I can't believe Obama chose Biden who said those racist things about him. Wasn't Biden the democrat who was once in the Klan?

Posted by: A question | August 23, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I hope McCain chooses Huckabee as his VP! McCain Huckabee '08!! We can always use more religious nutjobs making a mess of things!!

Posted by: Joko | August 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey funkdeath, tell me why didn't we drill 20 years ago. Because of resrtictions. Tell me why a greedy oil company wouldn't work to get more thier product. Common sense

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey I voted for Hillary but I'm stupid enough to just automatically vote for the unqualified crook candidate who replaced her with hype and more caucusing.

My vote is for a track record of proven service. My vote is for Mr. John McCain. Thank you Mr. McCain for paying your dues to our Constitution and being a public servant. Even though you only made 400K last year while your opponent made 4 MILLION on hype books, and you have a house for everyone of your 7 children, I will not disrespect your service to our nation.


Go McCain '08 - SQUASH those who are not worthy - including Obama Bin Biden

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

For you grammar nazies:
And yes, I meant that I'm not STUPID enough to just automatically vote for an UNFIT crook of a candidate just because he's in the same party.

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I was going to vote McCain but because he's picking that cult follower, the Mormon Romney, I'll be pulling the lever for Obama. You just can't trust people who don't believe in Jesus!

Posted by: Josiah | August 23, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

It's ok, Frank. We know you're a moron.

Posted by: Jeb | August 23, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

"Bottom-line the president makes the decisions. The vice-president hold his hat."

I agree. Thank God, Bush will no longer be holding President Cheney's hat anymore.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Hey I voted for Hillary. But the Party chose Obama, so Obama will recieve my vote. I agree!! All you sore-losing Hillary supporters, GET OVER IT. It's no longer Obama vs. Clinton. It's Democrats vs. Republicans.

YOU are the problem. We are the party. I'm tired of these guys acting like dictators.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

So Obama believe's in some type of Jesus but G*D D**N AMERICA!!

Posted by: WIllow | August 23, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Don't Mormons worship the God Xenu?

Posted by: Mary | August 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

We all need to come together and recognize the great wrongs that have been committed during the past 8 years. Republicans have used this country as there piggy bank, sending our middle to lower class citizens off to an illegal war to die so the rich can get richer!

Wake up America! And to all of you stubbern republicans: It's okay, when your in the voting booth go ahead and mark Obama. I won't tell your friends if you won't. Because deep inside you, you know this is the right thing to do. Don't let your pride get in the way!

Posted by: Funkdeath | August 23, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

How did that whole text message thing work out??

BWAAAHAAAHAAA!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

I hear that, No non Jesus worshipers for me!!

Obama '08!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

McCain / Xenu '08!!

Posted by: Marcus | August 23, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

It's Hilary or McCain. No way are we going to "paint the White House black"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Call me a moron for a typing error if you want but at least I'm not the one who hit my head like you when fainting for the Messiah Obama Bin Biden.

I'm also a person who believes in the stars and stripes and has respect for those who serve our country.

Maybe you could go smoke some more Crack with Barry.

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm frankly delighted with Obama's selection of Joe Biden as his running mate.
Joe Biden is honest, decent, and loves the United States with every fiber of his being.
No more will Americans have to be lemmings following their rich leaders over the economic cliff the Bush cabal created.
"The reckoning is now" he says.
I personally and heartily approve of this slate and will support it enthusiastically.
And to my fellow Hillary supporters:
Listen to our gal -- she's trying to tell us.
She can revitalize her legacy in the Senate, with these two at the helm.
Any other choice leaves her bereft and her causes hopeless.
"This may be the last time ... to restore America's soul."
I'm with 'em.
Go get'em guys!
Obama/Biden '08!!!

Posted by: Judy-in-TX | August 23, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

"We are the party. I'm tired of these guys acting like dictators."

So you're tired of the dictators, yet you think Obama some how other than through the democratic process (possibly a military coup), was able to secure more votes than Hillary? Hmmm. And somehow you think voting against Obama, who will keep dictators from running the country? Hmmmmm......

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Maybe you could go smoke some more Crack with Barry"

Why did you capitalize the word crack, Frank? Could it be because you're some sort of redneck MORON? Heh.

Posted by: Joko | August 23, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Only way I'll support Obama:

he needs to change his skin color.

he needs to change his name.

he needs to become a capitalist.

he needs to love his country.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I just got a txt msg from Obama Bin Biden, it says: BE SURE TO G*D D*MN AMERICA TODAY, AND BRING THE MESSIAH MORE CRACK!!

ROFL LOL LOL

Posted by: Biff | August 23, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

"Frank..Go McCain '08 - SQUASH those who are not worthy - including Obama Bin Biden
"

Frank, you sound like a racist? You spread hate with the "Obama Bin Biden".

I hope you have kids. McCain will need them to fight the One hundred year war! I hope they return intact.

Posted by: Funkdeath | August 23, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Only way I'll support Obama:

he needs to love his country.

he needs to have a track record of loving and serving his country.

Peace

Go McCain '08

Posted by: Mikey | August 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

If Frank has kids you know they're little redneck brats fully equipped with mullet haircuts, camo clothes, and received a healthy dose of the ugly stick.

Posted by: Joko | August 23, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

"Frank..Go McCain '08 - SQUASH those who are not worthy - including Obama Bin Biden
"

"Frank, you sound like a racist? You spread hate with the "Obama Bin Biden".

I hope you have kids. McCain will need them to fight the One hundred year war! I hope they return intact."


I would be honored to have my chilren destroy evil muslims

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Hillary forever!!!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Mikey...Obama came from nothing and became a Presidential canidate! Of course he loves this country...he will serve this country by turning it around from it's downward spiral set forth by the Bush administration.

Nuff said!

Posted by: Funkdeath | August 23, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

All of them Muslems are evil doers.

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"Only way I'll support Obama:
he needs to love his country.
he needs to have a track record of loving and serving his country.
Peace
Go McCain '08"

Didn't you mean to sign off with
"War, Go McCain 2108"

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:46 PM | Report abuse

You know what's going to be funny when Obama loses the election and the Clintons' regain control of the Democratic party. There is going to be a settlement of accounts.

Posted by: amused observer | August 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Whoever calls Obama black is a racist

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Obama really couldn't pick anybody who could highlight his own shortcomings as well as Biden. Biden not only highlights them - he actually had pointed them out on several occasions. It's hilarious!!! I love Biden, he was the best out of the pack, but people decided that instead of picking the right person for the job, they'll just pick a minority. Looking at Bidens and Obamas bios you know only in the racially INSANE America, Obama would be on the top of this ticket!!! Heck, Obama is not even qualified for the VP position. At least now I can relax knowing that someone with some sense and experience will be running this country if Obama wins, he can be the "pretty face" giving speeches and Biden will do the work.

Posted by: monica | August 23, 2008 3:48 PM | Report abuse

What happens when McCain chooses Lieberman?

"Regarding Grand Theft Auto(video game), he said, "The player is rewarded for attacking a woman, pushing her to the ground, kicking her repeatedly and then ultimately killing her, shooting her over and over again. I call on the entertainment companies—they've got a right to do that, but they have a responsibility not to do it if we want to raise the next generation of our sons to treat women with respect."

This would be better than endorsing Ludacris and all his other Playas who are trying to get your 12 year old daughter to "give it up"

Posted by: Roger | August 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Obama came from nothing??
What kind of fantasy world are you living in??

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Fact: If Obama were half white instead of half black Hilary would be the nominee.

Posted by: NOBAMA! | August 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Frank..you crack me up bro...where are they now? Cause if they aren't at war I don't want to hear about it.

I wish you well but you really need to see someone about your hate! You must live in fear on a constant basis cause there are more muslims in the world than...well what ever you claim to be!

Posted by: Funkdeath | August 23, 2008 3:50 PM | Report abuse

"There is going to be a settlement of accounts."

Ya, hopefully when that day comes, Hillary will be out of debt and can thank Obama for his efforts in reducing it.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

all of you McCain haters, you make very little sense when you praise Biden and disrespect McCain. They have been close friends for decades now, and are very consistent on almost all of the important issues. Do your homework (cause the media sure is not gonna give you this information - this year marks the death of journalism in the USA).

Posted by: dude | August 23, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm not voting for the moulie!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Nice try person posing as Frank, this is Frank, and Frank is an American who does not judge people by the way they look.

Muslims, Christians, whatever the religion, America was founded upon the ideal that it's people can follow whatever religion they like. Frank has no problems with Muslims or any other type of person who is willing to trade freedom for freedom(in mind and in action).

There really is no way to know for sure what a candidate will do when elected. But me, I'd rather pick a candidate who has shown what he can do ever since he served our Constitution and our way of life as a service member. Service members are not holier than thou, they are just normal Americans that want to make things better for all of us. It is thanks to them that ANY American can become President.

Don't think you can force a candidate into office by hating the supporters of the other candidate, it just won't work.

Look for proven service. Vote McCain

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 4:00 PM | Report abuse

one is an elitist, the other is a liar, and the shoe fits both of them

Posted by: doug | August 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Good news for John McCain. Congratulations!.

Posted by: Berce | August 23, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Great Choice OBAMANATION... A guy(Biden) who has been doing a HACK job on OBAMA but nothing but PRAISE for MCCAIN... ‘Just Words’ That Joe Biden Would Like To Forget
The curse of a loose mouth and Nexis.


On McCain:
Biden, on a post-debate appearance on MSNBC, October 30, 2007: “The only guy on the other side who’s qualified is John McCain.”


Senator Joe Biden (D-DE) Said He'd Be Honored To Run With McCain. Comedy Central's Jon Stewart: "You may end up going against a Senate colleague, perhaps McCain, perhaps Frist?"
Sen. Biden: "John McCain is a personal friend, a great friend, and I would be honored to run with or against John McCain, because I think the country would be better off -- be well off no matter who..."
Stewart: "Did I hear, Did I hear with?" Sen. Biden: "You know, John McCain and I think" Stewart: "Don't become cottage cheese my friend. Say it." Sen. Biden: "The answer is yes." (Comedy Central's "The Daily Show" 8/2/05)

FYI: Listen on YOUTUBE..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RDVUPqoowf8&feature=user

Posted by: WillNotBeFooledByObamaNATION | August 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Wait a second!

I'M THE REAL FRANK!

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Obama/Biden has been my personal dream ticket from day one: a brilliant visionary combined with the know-how of a wise and experience elder statesman.

Now THAT is change I can believe in ALL THE WAY! (And all the nay-sayers posting here taste strongly of sour grapes.)

Posted by: Carmen Cameron | August 23, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Theres a religious war coming and us CHRISTIANS is ready to fight them Moslems to the death. Once Jesus is riding on the back of a white horse you'll see.

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

"and the shoe fits both of them"

They can both squeeze into the same shoe?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Frank, do you live in a trailor and/or have a metal plate in your head?

Posted by: Frank's brother Frank | August 23, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hillary forever? Then forever ended in June.

Posted by: Odie | August 23, 2008 4:12 PM | Report abuse

But wait a second!

I AM THE REAL FRANK'S BROTHER "FRANK"!

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

As a Republican I want to thank Obama from the bottom of my heart for picking Biden; he just lost the election. I was afraid he was going to do the smart thing and pick Hilary which would have been a disaster for our side.

To all the PUMAs out there...come join us McCain does not play well with our rightwing for a reason... and the Congress is going to be firmly in Democratic hands so there is little risk in putting Barry away.

MCCAIN 08!
HILARY 12!

Posted by: Grateful Republican | August 23, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Obama really wanted McCain to be his VP, but instead had to settle for McBiden.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Dam it!!! Not everyone can be Frank.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I don't care I'm voting for Hillary anyway!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Frank strikes me as a dumbass

Posted by: F. Rank | August 23, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

McCain/Hillary?????

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Biden is an excellent pick. I've always liked the way he lays it all on the table. Plus, he is the pragmatic leader we need at VP to travel the world and repair our broken relationships.

Unfortunately, it's the wrong pick. What are Obama's people thinking? First and foremost, they needed to improve their chances in the Midwest where they got destroyed by Hillary. Bayh would have been the best pick to help them get back to the middle and pick up those votes.

Biden will make a good attack dog in the debates and ramping up to the general election. But way too many people are (a) familiar with him and (b) dislike him.

This is a personal hand pick by Obama. They let him have his way and it will cost them.

Posted by: PM-IND | August 23, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Wait!

Not everyone can be Anonymous!

Or

Can They?

Spell correction: "Damn" not "dam that river"

Posted by: anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Hillary rules!!

Posted by: Not Frank | August 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

McBush, McHillary, McBiden, McObama, McDonald's - "I'm loving it"

Weee, let's smoke some more crack!!

Posted by: Frank | August 23, 2008 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Que the grammar nazi

Posted by: Billy | August 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Bayh sucks. He's a gutless wonder and reminds me of Wonder Bread. Screw the PUMA's and what they want. They're all a bunch of fat old menopausal broads anyway. Lose some weight and come back and see me.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Rednecks are people too

Posted by: Johnny | August 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Obama look a little weak when Biden becomes the attack dog.

Posted by: NOT Frank | August 23, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

McOld sucks and Romney may be a great business guy but he sucks as a politician. That's not counting the fact he's in a cult too.

Posted by: Knarf | August 23, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Romney seems a bit French.

Posted by: Francois | August 23, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Old people are smart!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Romney seems a bit French.

At least he isn't a wanna be arab.

Posted by: Fran K. | August 23, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse


Thirty-six years in the senate, and Biden is not part of the problem?

But I have to admit that his Hair Club For Men look gives him a statesman like appearance.

Posted by: WylieD | August 23, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Old people will haggle for 20 minutes at the check stand to show the young-buck checker person that they shorted them a nickle. This would be good for our economy.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Obama's campaign has DESTROYED THE DEMOCRATIC PARTY

Time to reach across the aisle America

Don't vote by party in '08

Vote for the credible candidate. Vote for Experience. Vote McCain!

Posted by: Ed | August 23, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Biden? No way! OBAMA HAD ONE CHANCE TO WIN THIS RACE by using someones votes ..someone who had l8 million supporters...quite elementary ..because he doesn't have a leg to stand on his own.HIS SUPPORT CONTINUES TO DWINDLE and has been since the last 8 primaries....there is NO REASON in the world to believe this ill experienced person OBAMA could ever have the ability to taken on the numerous problems this party and president has made for our country...WHAT A UNPRODUCTIVE MOVE...PROOF HE INDEED HAS NO BRAINS AS HE SHOULD OF PLAYED HIS BEST HAND TO WIN BY UNITING THE PARTY AND GIVING THEM AT LEAST HALF OF WHAT THEY ASKED FOR!! OBAMA JUST NAILED HIS CHANCES WITH THAT STUPID MANUEVER RIGHT before the convention.PROOF THIS WILL NOT BE A PRESIDENCY OF CHANGE!!!!..WELL IT ONLY GIVES HILLARY MORE REASON TOO GET STRONG AND TAKE BACK THE RACE AND DO WHAT 18 MILLION PEOPLE WANT HER TO DO be our one shot between two other other completely unsuited unexperienced candidates..McCain proves everyday what an idiot he is. Can't remember how many homes he has???(seven he says the economy is good..a little out of touch???) ..omg ..and he is going to be running the country???Obama who keeps running on bull and we are suppose to hope he is not as bad as all his illassociations!!! WAKE UP AMERICA GET OUT OF YOUR CHAIR WHILE YOU STILL HAVE ONE AND VOTE FOR CHANGE WITH THE ONLY PERSON WHO KNOWS HOW AND WILL BRING IT >>HILLARY GO TO THE CONVENTION STAND UP >>AND IF THEY SAY NO >>GO INDEPENDENT AND SAVE AMERICA FROM THE CLUTCHES OF the ignorant. NO 4 more years of the same old down the tubes AMerica..HILLARY IS THE ONLY HOPE TO BRING US BACK!!EVERYONE GO TO DENVER AND SHOW SUPPORT FOR HILLARY OR WHATEVER WAY YOU CAN!! HILLARY 2008!!

Posted by: ByeObama | August 23, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Biden will make a difference. He is a great communicator who will get the message across to all but the most hard core neocons that 4 more years of Bush's failed policies is a diaster and that McCain, by his own admission represents more of Bush.

Posted by: CDgainesville | August 23, 2008 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I'm voting for McCain in this election so it will set up Hillary for 2012. She should be President...the Dems and media trashed her.

Go Hillary in 2012!!!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Stuffed suit blowhard, out-of-touch insider, Barry just handed the election to McCain. Obama seems deflated, the charisma has worn thin, what a ruinous choice, anybody but Biden.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

What did Hillary get out of this?

A good beating and a hose.

Nice Job Obama, you've managed to hoodwink Hillary's supporters into thinking you're the one.

Posted by: The Best Candidate Lost | August 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Biden??? Are you kidding me...what happened to "Change"..."Washington is broken"? I can't believe it, I so wanted Hillary to have a chance...she would have won. She could have beaten McCain. I seriously may do what others suggested...vote for McCain now so Hillary has a shot in 2012.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Good thing people don't rely on the WaPo for all their biased info.
According to Chicago-Sun Times(Obama's home turf)Obama is actually DOWN in the polls.
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics/obama/1119266,CST-NWS-poll21.article

Posted by: Cheryl | August 23, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Obama blew it for us. All I can hope for is a miracle, hail mary pass, whatever at the Convention and Hillary somehow is resurrected. She's our only hope, can't believe she was trashed in the primaries and then wasn't even considered for VP.

Signed-Very Disappointed :(

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Depsite claims that he is a brilliant campaigner and ideal 'attack dog,' Biden's track record as a Presidential candidate is poor. His ego never fails to trump his message, and the Democratic voters outside of Delaware are fooled; the general electorate even less so.

He also does damage to Obama's 'Washington outsider' image.

There's a very strong chance that by Monday, the Biden announcement will be nothing more than a single-digit bounce.

Posted by: Galvanic | August 23, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Regardless of the VP pick, my vote will go to Obama in November. I was a strong Hillary supporter (and I still believe she would have been the better candidate), but we've got what we've got. I will not risk the Supreme Court moving more toward the conservative side, which is what would happen if McCain is elected.

All Democrats must think of the long-term consequences here. While Hillary would have been the best, Obama is certainly far better than McCain.

Posted by: John | August 23, 2008 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Hillary wasn't even considered???...and Obama goes with Biden? Total slap in the face. She got 18 million votes in the primary. I don't care what other Dems say, I'm not voting for Obama/Biden...it's apparent now all the change stuff was a fraud. We need Hillary! People going to the convention do some extra cheering for Hillary.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:08 PM | Report abuse

I have to agree with The Right Reverend E. Raleigh Pimperton III... I just don't understand how Barney Frank missed the nomination for vice president.

Posted by: John Winston Pillsbury IV | August 23, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Self-proclaimed "Hillary supporters" who would vote for McCain are not Hillary supporters. I supported Hillary in the primary but Obama and Biden looks pretty good to me compared to McCain and the Republican machine for 4 more years. I'll vote for health care for more Americans, keeping Roe vs. Wade, working with the World, and reversing some of the environmental damage done by this administration. It's what Hillary wants, too.

Posted by: Margie | August 23, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

To the fervent Hillary supporters: get over it...time has passed -- it will not be her..no way..no how.

She deftly and with little fingerprints fanned the fires of racism during the primary season...yuck.

She is nothing of which to be proud.

Posted by: Anonymous As Well | August 23, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

If the poll is accurate, naming Biden to the VP spot on the ticket hardly moved the dial one way or the other. If Obama was going for a choice that didn't hurt him, he succeeded. If he was going for a choice that helps him, he failed.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Biden is a poor and desperate choice for Obama. He brings nothing: not even an important state. I am sure it was Michelle Obama who made the choice!

Posted by: CharlesChaplin | August 23, 2008 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Does Biden think that Obama is “clean” enough now? I know Biden thinks that blacks are dirty and Asian Indians who run 7/11’s have funny accents. But it seems to me, it really doesn’t matter who Barack Obama chose, Biden or not, I think he's doomed to lose his presidential bid. During the current political season an average Democratic candidate is running 10-15 points ahead of the Republican rival, while their presidential candidate Barack Obama is way behind the curve! His polls are going down and further down day by day…Among the mix of many reasons that would cause Obama’s defeat to McCain in November, one singular factor stands out in my mind. And that is Obama’s campaign's outlandish attack on Sen. Hillary Clinton and Bill Clinton. This was done with the support of the America's media establishment that took us to Iraq war and never told us about the impending housing collapse. These are among many other lies that the media tell us Americans on daily basis. The media has always had high praise for Barack Obama. I know of lot of people are turned off to Barack Obama by this. That Barack Obama is the beneficiary of vindictive and unfair campaign against Hillary Clinton by the media. This fact lingers on many voters minds as the general election nears. Having not won a single important state, Barack Obama’s odds are getting higher and higher even after all the damage and devastation done to America by George Bush. Obama was propped up by the media and Moveon.Org people and Politico and others. But inherently Barack Obama is a big media production without substance. So that he went ahead and chose a consummate Washington insider, who’s been on public payroll since he was 29 years old. He is darling of Washington lobbyists. He’s been there since days of Hubert Humphrey and Tip O’Neil! Is this the way Obama is going to change Washington? Most people know that Barak Obama is another disaster waiting to happen, like George Bush. Obama has more things in common with Bush than McCain has. The big similarity is that both Bush and Obama lack experience for the job. Luckily our voters are slowly waking up to this fact. Democratic Super delegates who are nothing but a bunch of losers, has given us Barack Obama as a presidential candidate. But I think they made a huge mistake by doing that. I think only Sen. Hillary Clinton would have made a real difference; saving us from disaster and further decline of our country─ just like president Bill Clinton did.
Our media who brought us many disasters including George W. Bush is now bringing us another inexperience candidate; Barack H. Obama.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Please someone tell us the meaning of this "change" that Obama is going to bring?

I keep hearing about this "change" and I have no idea what it means. Hillary also talked about change, but she told us exactly what her change would be. And it sounded a lot like what Obama said his change will be, except that she was more detailed, less philosophical. But people, or rather, Obama supporters, seem to think Obama is about something a whole lot different than Hillary's "change."

What is it? Is there something mystical about it?

Posted by: paul taylor | August 23, 2008 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Biden was really a horrible choice tactically. Obama doesn't seem as bright as he used to - he's proving to be just a mainstream DNC type who is flirting with defeat.

Posted by: Lais | August 23, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

How many ways can one spell "Anonymous"? There does not appear to one comment signed in such a manner that one could identify the writer and hold him/her accountable for his/her stated opinion. We are all a bunch of cowards.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I love reading democratic and Barry-love blogs. Gee you really fell for the "Hope" crap. BHO has been an empty suit from day #1. Intelligent????? It really isn't the "smartest" thing to tell 200,000 Germans that "Our Time Has Come!" when you are trying to win an American election.

Posted by: Russ | August 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

What I like about this choice is that Obama's shown that he's not afraid to have someone who'll hold no bones about telling him what he thinks. Biden's an experienced hand who has no problem voicing his opinion. This is a good step for our country.

Posted by: Bill | August 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

People are tied of Obama's media hype. People are begnning to realize that he's fake. There have been too much of Obama on TV. This is what's called the "deminshing returns!" for Obama. More Obama will be less Obama. They know he's more like George Bush. Both of them have no experience.

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

"ANONYMOUS" ONE AND ALL

How many ways can one spell "Anonymous"? At least we all know who published and who wrote the article on which we are commenting. No one signed their real name to his/her comment(s). We are all a bunch of cowards?

Posted by: Outrider | August 23, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

The choice of Biden clearly shows Obama is looking beyond just winning the election, but changing America,Choice Hilary would suggest despiration to win election.

Posted by: BIODUN | August 23, 2008 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Lot's of boiler room blogger's here! You guys sure waste a lot of time posting your "talking points" and slander. Most of us have caught onto the fact that you swine don't much believe in anything. You're just mindless robots. Do you really expect us to believe that some of you are disaffected Clinton voters who will vote for McCain? Nice try! Look Mrs. Clinton's campaign is $26 million in debt and, since she dropped out two months ago, she has received less than $400,000 in individual donations, $1.8 million total, with $1.4 of that coming from corporate donors. So, if you really are true-blue Clintonites why didn't you help fund her debt, help fund her VP bid? You didn't. You're part of Limbaugh's toxic shock troops bent on mischief.

As for Biden, he is an excellent choice. Compared to the sodden incompetent hack you fools selected there isn't any choice. Who will be you VP standard bearer? Romney? His brat's were too busy making money on Wall Street while my sons served in Iraq. Romney's spoiled brats were part of the parasites on Wall Street, enriching themselves by foisting toxic mortgage packages off on the middle class, outsourcing jobs, speculating in oil and food and metals and other commodities, running an Enron Ponzi Scheme that threatens to sink our country. Do you really think the voting public is so stupid, so suicidal, that they will vote for that pair of blowhards? I don't think so! Oh, and count on the equal time laws coming back. We're going to make sure you cannot run another Swift Boat campaign ever again. Tell the truth or say nothing at all. We're taking our country back.

Posted by: Observer | August 23, 2008 5:42 PM | Report abuse

"Please someone tell us the meaning of this "change" that Obama is going to bring?"

We will all be wishing we could change our underwear and our presidential choice about a year into the Obama Reign.

Posted by: John Winston Pillsbury IV | August 23, 2008 5:46 PM | Report abuse


In 2004, Biden pushed Kerry to pick McCain as his running mate. So you can understand how Joe's good judgment would appeal to Obama.


Posted by: WylieD | August 23, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Obama isn't bringing 'Change'
He's bringing 'Chains'.

He has a hidden agenda, just look at his friends, he's just saying anything to get elected, now he has Slick Joe McBiden to be the attack dog.

This is the best the Democrats can come up with for the country?

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Joe Bidden is the perfect choice. He adds most everything that is needed: strong working family support, Catholic background, willingness to be aggressive, and foreign policy credentials.

Posted by: Kent | August 23, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Fools who disparage Obama for selecting Biden because this man, who WILL be vice president, is an experienced Washington legislator understand neither Washington nor how to change it. Biden knows how to get things done in Washington as the long list of his accomplishments demonstrates.
The GOP dishonesty-in-government attack machine already is in full, rusty frenzy in the foaming, frenzied growls on display in these bitter, angry notes.
This is what the Bush-Rove-Cheney-Al Gonzales-McCain Rabid Right believes in: It's own self-righteous anger.
You are so OVER! We're voting in a new way, a new day, fresh air to clear out the infected mess you have left in our national government.

Posted by: J.I. Steinberg | August 23, 2008 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters who now say they will vote for McCain!?? I never thought Hillary voters were that ignorant, but I guess I gave them too much credit.

Posted by: C-Dog | August 23, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Attention Hillary-bots:
you want to support your candidate, or just make noise? Her campaign is millions of dollars in debt, much of it owed to her personally. If there are, or ever were, 18 million supporters of "herself", send $1.50 to her campaign and prove it.

Attention "I'll just stay home on election day" people:
be prepared to be scoffed and ignored for 4 years for your non-participation... its not about you or your opinions, its about America, and participation in the electoral process. Abstain is not an option, its a tantrum, so grow up.

Posted by: OldUncleTom | August 23, 2008 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I see a lot of people who claim to be Hillary supporters threatening to shoot themselves in the foot by voting for McCain. I also see ideological absolutists expressing great disappointment because Obama didn't choose one of their own for his running mate.

We're into the real realm of slugfest politics. The first thing you want to do to advance any of your agenda is to win. This is where Joe Biden comes in. Being a purist and going down in flames does not advance any agenda. Past good guys that got thumped include George McGovern, Michael Dukakis and John Kerry. Wonderful loosers, but still loosers.

I see people saying, basically, "If I don't completely get my way, I'm going to pick up my marbles and go play somewhere else". I supported Hillary, but now that the decision has been made by the Party, I'll support Obama. 4 more years of Bush neoconservatism is 'way too much for the U.S. Obama may not have been my first choice, but the U.S. doesn't need 4 more years of bankrupting itself with foreign intervention and belligerance. It's time to derail the neoconservative train NOW!!!!

Posted by: Garrett | August 23, 2008 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Biden rocks! He is one of only a few people in DC with real a real understand of the middle east and is one of the smartest guys out there. O'bama has made a good choice. People say they want change, what do you mean? How is Biden stopping change. He is exactly what we need for a solid Foreign policy. We are not talking about throwing out the baby with the bath water. Change means putting people with real experience and ideas and giving them the power to make change, not putting more 'Brownie's' and saying heck'of'a job, and handing out metals.

Posted by: Timber | August 23, 2008 6:14 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit, I also doubt the veracity of some of these people claiming to be Hillary supporters who will now vote for McCain. I strongly suspect there's some right-wing plants out there claiming to be Hillary supporters for McCain.

Posted by: Garrett | August 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

McCain PAYS people to post on these boards, beware.

Posted by: seenitbefore | August 23, 2008 6:16 PM | Report abuse

This picked just blew his chances!

Posted by: Doesitreallymatter | August 23, 2008 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I am a fierce supporter of Obama who didn’t want to see Biden chosen, principally because of his dirty 2005 vote for the Bankruptcy Reform Law. Let us not forget that the consumer credit industry is headquartered in his home state of Delaware, and they made massive contributions to his reelection coffers for the past few decades.

Biden must publicly repudiate his vote and promise an initiative to undo its damage; otherwise Obama is shooting himself in the foot by picking him. This election will clearly be about domestic issues. With the economic downturn and housing/credit crises, that vote by Biden is hurting a lot of disadvantaged people today.

I've already given money to the campaign, but not another cent until this is addressed. It is a serious weakness.

Posted by: Dan | August 23, 2008 6:26 PM | Report abuse

No to Hillary means I return to voting for the Democrats for the first time since 1992. Go Obama-Biden in 2008.

Posted by: Bye Bye McCain | August 23, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

Obama sold out. Does he even talk about Iraq anymore? He sold out to AIPAC. He sold out to Israel. This is the final straw to assure all the usual money guys and power guys that he will do what they tell him to do.

Posted by: Howdy | August 23, 2008 8:51 AM

The oldest trick in the repubs playbook. Accuse your opponent of doing exactly what is you are doing and then look like the victim. How low you people go amazes me at times, but then again, being in the mud with the slugs means you don't have far to go.

Posted by: jime | August 23, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I 'm glad he picked biden shows his stupidness and it will help him get beat in November. He wants change oh heck yeah. And while he gave biden's name he is surrounded by the good OLD BOYS...kerry, dodd and all the other dodders....he is a cheap politican and not a very good one at that.

Posted by: Marge | August 23, 2008 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry Dan. I just sent $275 to the Obama campaign. I suspect it covers your non-contribution.

Posted by: Go Obama | August 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

How do plan on "taking our country back" when the quite corrupt DNC has shoved Obama in our faces when he did not win the Democratic popular vote? The media hasn't given equal time to any of the other candidates, except Obama. One must ask why powers above the government are pushing Obama down our throats. They must need another "patsy" like Georgie to continue their power base.

Look at what the citizens of America have lost in the last 8 years, especially the freedoms we had back in the 60's and 70's like demonstrating and free speech. I have heard (let me know if it is incorrect information) that the Obama campaign has set up staging areas for people to protest, yes; but not where they would be heard or noticed. Also, something about warehouses to take those mouthy citizens.

Since the media is in corporate pockets, none will feel safe enough to say or film anything of substance.

I have been voting democratic for over 40 years. This year I will not. I am not a republican or vindictive Hillary person. I will vote for the green party candidate. I believe it is long past time for our country to have a valid 3rd party.

Yes, I did vote for Hillary and she did win the popular american vote. 17.8 million to Obama's 17.5m. Since when does a candidate win the popular vote and not be the nominee? Is that taking back our country? Since when does the DNC or a Governor tell delegates they must vote for Obama or they will be replaced; I understand that has already happened.

What has happened to "free thinkers" in America? Why are citizens forced to chose between the lesser of what is offered? Obama or McCain.

I ask these questions because I am not a conspiracy nut - I do think there is much more than meets the eye.

Posted by: Heather Rose | August 23, 2008 6:30 PM | Report abuse

Sen. Biden, a confirmed plagiarist. Great selection. A socialist and a plagiarist on the same ticket. Sweet!!

Posted by: Anonymous | August 23, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Well this blog proves that half of you Americans are crazy.

If half plus one votes for the idiot old man McCain then the world will treat the whole of the US as crazy.

The world laughed over Bush, it'll cry if old man McCain is elected.

Malcolm

Posted by: Malcolm | August 23, 2008 6:34 PM | Report abuse

They are made for each other, a young black/white guy and an old white guy tring to make a name for themselves. Hilary and her girls are going to be "MAD". The Dems have just handed over the White House to the other old white guy. Obama what happened to CHANGE?

Posted by: just saying!! | August 23, 2008 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm for anyone but Hillary, a former Libertarian Republican who charges all patriots and true Republicans to repudiate this Strassian Fascists party formerly known as the GOP, in bed with crazy Christians, crazy Neo-Cons, and even carzier corporations!

It would be appropriate to convict everyone in the current party from dog-catcher to Presidenti as traitors, opportunistists, criminals, and of course liars! No member of this party should be welcome in polite society; we should stamp the a scarlett R on their asses!

Posted by: chotician | August 23, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Now there is a candidate running for President on the Biden-Obama ticket.

Good for Obama.

Posted by: scottinmodesto | August 23, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse


Go Obama wrote:

"Don't worry Dan. I just sent $275 to the Obama campaign. I suspect it covers your non-contribution."

Send in another $275. I don't contribute to Obama, either. And My dog doesn't give. Better make it $550.

Posted by: WylieD | August 23, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Do all these Republicans pretending to be upset Hillary supporters really think they are fooling anyone?

As a southern Baptist McCain is required to believe that women are second class citizens submissive to their husbands or risk being kicked out of his church. Do you really think a REAL Hillary supporter would vote for someone like that?

Posted by: marcus | August 23, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I think Reform of Government is preferable to Change, because I still like the government that we have.

Posted by: Lee | August 23, 2008 6:41 PM | Report abuse

I just don't know how the Democratic Party expects to win this fall without a Massachusetts liberal on the ticket.

By the way, do you know how a Greek-American mother toilet trains her infant? She places him on the potty seat and says, "Okay dearie, Dukakis now... Dukakis."

Posted by: John Winston Pillsbury IV | August 23, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Hillary supporters will get exactly what they deserve, however they choose to vote. I firmly believe in the old adage that every country gets the government it deserves. By extension, if Hillary's supporters are such petulant and immature sore losers that they will actually vote for McCain in November, more power to 'em. Because if McCain wins, he will have at least two, and probably three or even four, Supreme Court appointments during his first term. Which means Roe v. Wade WILL be overturned in the next decade. Hear that, WILL BE OVERTURNED. No question about it. No debate about it. WILL BE OVERTURNED. So if McCain is who Hillary's supporters freely choose to vote for, they deserve everything McCain will freely choose to do from 2009 to 2013. And Choice will NOT be one of the things that McCain freely chooses. Back to the back alleys. What a great choice because you didn't get 100% of what you wanted.

Posted by: narjiejoe | August 23, 2008 6:47 PM |