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9/11 suspects and trial venue: another even-up proposition

Like much else in politics today, Friday's decision to put Khalid Sheik Mohammed, the self-proclaimed mastermind of the 9/11 attacks, and several co-conspirators on trial in federal court in New York is apt to satisfy half of Americans, and displease the other half.

In a new Washington Post-ABC News poll, 47 percent say suspects accused of involvement in the 9/11 terrorist attacks should be tried in the U.S. federal court system, while as many, 48 percent, say they prefer military tribunals set up for that purpose.

Q. Would you rather have suspects accused of involvement in the September 11 terrorist attacks put on trial in the federal court system in the United States, or in a military tribunal set up for that purpose?

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SOURCE: Washington Post-ABC News poll conducted Nov. 12-15 among a random national sample of 1,001 adults. The results have a margin of sampling error of plus or minus three percentage points.

Also typical is the evident partisan split on the matter: 61 percent of Democrats would rather see trials in civilian courts, with 58 percent of Republicans preferring the military route. Independents tilt 53-42 toward military tribunals.

In previously released data, 53 percent of Americans approve of the job President Obama is doing handling the threat of terrorism; 41 percent disapprove. Approval of the way he is dealing with the issue peaks among Democrats at 77 percent, slides to 46 percent among independents and 33 percent among Republicans.

By Jon Cohen  |  November 17, 2009; 12:00 PM ET
 
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GAIL of americasright.com made an interesting observation: "if this was a crime against americans, then why wasnt KSM held in an American jail on american soil in the first place?" (paraphrased, sorry.)

i think that makes plain soup out of complicated soup?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

the majority of the family of 911 victims DO NOT WANT THIS TRIAL IN NYC - so why is this administration IGNORING what is important to these people?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Let's get this done in an American court in New York city. We are not scared, we are not peeing in our pants in fear. Real Americans have courage and a can do attitude, not a 'whiney, whimpering, simpering, sobbing' fetal position reaction to this news.

If we are too scared to hold this trial in New York City, then the terrorists have accomplished what they set out to do. They have made us cowards.

Posted by: cfeher | November 17, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. According to a famous document, "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial." It goes on to list some tiresome details: The defendant also has a right to "be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defense." There doesn't seem to be any mention there of military tribunals.

Maybe we should subject the rest of the Bill of Rights to an opinion survey? The Fifth Amendment might also have trouble getting majority support. And the Fourth Amendment ("The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches") is completely out of date.

Posted by: donnolo | November 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm from NYC and I want here. It is right and just that these criminals face justice before the very people against whom they have committed this monstrous crime. I will repeat that, this was a crime not an act of war. To classify this as an act of war is to give these barbarians exactly what they want. Recognition that they are combatants in a war against America. They should be treated as criminals and tried as criminals. There act is a crime against the very concept of civilization. Civilization should stand up to them and show them our way of life is stronger then their way of death.

Posted by: kchses1 | November 17, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse


WATCH: Terrorist Lockup, Tough or Wuss

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YOU DECIDE!

Posted by: kkrimmer | November 17, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

To those of you who think this is a good idea: what happens when most of the government's evidence is excluded under the Federal Rules of Evidence? What happens when, without any evidence to make their case, the government loses when the jury is hung or acquits? Are we going to let the acquitted terrorist walk down the courthouse steps into lower Manhattan? If not---if we wouldn't release him even upon acquittal---then tell me, what's the point of this circus of a trial?

Posted by: arlingtonresident | November 17, 2009 12:28 PM | Report abuse

To arlingtonresident; none of that is going to happen. Have some courage our laws and way of life will prevail. The fear you have is only fear itself.

Posted by: kchses1 | November 17, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

This problem should of been taken care of by now. Can't the government even handle the punishment of terrorist without arguing over the location of a trial or better yet a tribunal.

Posted by: cdw914 | November 17, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

I think this is just yet another mess left over from the Bush Administration. More unfinished business that they could have addressed had they not gotten us dragged down into the Iraq War. The Iraq War which ate away the surplus left by President Clinton, caused oil prices to skyrocket starting this terrible recession and distracted our military from catching Osama bin Laden. I would like to know why these people have not been tried seven years after they were caught. Think about this--even with the huge mess in Iraq, Sadam Hussein was deposed, captured, tried and executed in less time than these people who plotted to blow up the World Trade Center, the Pentagon and who knows what else have been hanging around in Guatanamo Bay.

Posted by: Prosperity2008 | November 17, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

bad idea - this was an act of war!!!!!!!!

Posted by: boblesch | November 17, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

The perpetrators of 9-11 are criminal elements which places them under civilian jurisdiction.

The military tribunal aspect was set up by Bush so he could have the "World War II" feel. The guy is a bozo.

Anyhoot, 9-11 is overblown, overdone, and all media and political hype. How's about 49,000,000 American's that do not have proper access to food. Does that top 9-11 or what? How's about 45,000 deaths annually from no health insurance?

9-11 needs to go to Page J13 of the local paper. American's are getting 9-11 outed.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Here is a more important topic.

Ft Hood had many of the characteristics of being a terrorist act. So why did the Bush policies of illegal spying, Patriot Act, and Homeland Security have such a "Catastrophic Failure"?

9-11 is over and done with. We need to pay attention to what is actually going on or not going on.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

A civilian court will be much more transparent than a tribunal not open to the public.

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Posted by: yatoukezhan | November 17, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Donnolo:
"Maybe we should subject the rest of the Bill of Rights to an opinion survey? The Fifth Amendment might also have trouble getting majority support. And the Fourth Amendment ("The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches") is completely out of date."

Well stated !! Also, since when do we start taking into consideration the victims wishes in terms of how the defendant should be tried ? While the heinousness of the crime is obvious, we are a nation of laws - its what separates us from people like KSM.

Posted by: Gaithersburg1 | November 17, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

A far greater number than half of America doesn't live in New York City and therefore their opinions carry far less weight.

CNN had it 64 to 38 in favor of military tribunals.

This decision is an abomination for the city and state of New York and for the country. I believe it is unconstitutional, since the President is ignoring the law written by Congress that created military tribunals.

Is it an impeachable offense? It's dangerously close in my view.

Posted by: theduke89 | November 17, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I think the excuses for getting out of jury duty will be more creative than ever!

Posted by: GeneWells | November 17, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The actual CNN poll on this subject was 60% in favor of NYC and 40% in favor of military tribunals. You just cannot trust Republicans and Obama haters.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

If the trial were held outside the US it would a) cost taxpayers a lot less money; b) be over quickly; c)wouldn't be a 3-ring circus. Obama says one things and does another. He can never be trusted again.

Posted by: 45upnorth | November 17, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

An 'even-up' proposition means the President can proceed as he wishes. The New York trial is going to happen. Moving the Gitmo detainees to Illinois is going to happen. Those who oppose such moves and desire to keep fighting the 'war on terrorism' the Bush way are in a minority that is politically impotent. The 'long war' of the neocons is OVER. America is ready to find closure on 9-11 and then move on to business as usual. "9-11 changed everything" was always a GOP political slogan, not a real statement of fact, as time has shown.

Posted by: errinfamilia | November 17, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

There are not any maybe suspects on trial. All will be convicted without I may say coerced material. NYC residents numbering over a million took a subway to work on 9/12/01, so much for the fear factor. Any American that is afraid to try, jail or maybe execute these terrorists on U.S. soil, I have a word for "Wuss". Being careful is smart, cowering in fear makes the terrorists win.

Posted by: jameschirico | November 17, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

It is really pointless to discuss this topic. It is a legal matter, not a referendum. What the public thinks has no relevance to decisions that must be based on expert interpretation of law.

Posted by: wineagent1 | November 17, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Obama made it clear that he believes Guantanamo was illegal. That provides grounds for mistrial.

Posted by: pkhenry | November 17, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

This situation should have been taken care of long ago by CHIMPIE and CHENEY but they obviously did not want to handle THIS TOUGH DECISION, hence everyone will either laud Obama or hate him. THAT HAS BEEN CHIMPIE intention all along.

Get us in wars, then walk away. Then he has CHENEY out there criticizing what everyone else does.
IF THEY HAD THE BALLS when they were in office they would have done this.

But since they were pansies, someone has to call the shots.

The Middle East is just waiting for KSM et al to be summarily executed, or tried in some CLOSED military court JUST SO THEY CAN BECOME HEROES and MARTYRS. THIS IS WHAT THEY WANT>

BRING them to trial in the open. Show them that We are Not AFRAID, That American IS A TRUE and JUST country - not a bunch of cowards who change course when the going gets tough.

And let's face it - IF CHIMPIE and CHENEY have done illegal acts, then IT WILL BE ON THEIR HEADS when this stuff comes out - NOT OBAMA's.


If want to commit the crime, then do the time and pay the consequences. If CHIMPIE ordered LAWS broken, then HIS ADMINSTRATION DESERVES whatever comes out. NO MATTER HOW BAD.
We only get better by acknowledging mistakes, correcting them and moving on.

TRY THEM IN NY and get it done.

Posted by: kare1 | November 17, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

The poll was deeply flawed if it didn't have the option to just kill the prisoners without any trial at all. Judging by the slant of Fox News and the talk radio jingoists, I would suspect that half the Republican party advocates that position. To them, torture is reasonable, murder is justice and propaganda is fair and balanced reporting. Home of the brave my foot.

Posted by: codexjust1 | November 17, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Seems to me that this kind of poll has little value -- the average person has to form an opinion on the better venue without much knowledge of the pros and cons of each, especially the legal intricacies. What bothers me is that Obama and Holder made their decision knowing that it would cause a national split (or they should have known). Would there be an outcry if KSM and the others to be tried in NYC were instead included with the group to be tried in a military court? I doubt it. And, so, why choose the path that is likely to cause the most public divisiveness? This was supposed to be our Great Uniter in Chief -- no red states, no blue states, just American states. For that reason, the choice of NYC confounds me. Divided we fall.

Posted by: MeInTheMiddle | November 17, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

First we have to break this down to find the true motivation

On PBS Holder stated he made his decision on the advice of his brother. Obama had no input. Obama was off to China.

so now we know the former ballerina dancer (fact) is a liar. And this implicates President Chimp as well as he had no comment on perhaps America's biggest trial. Yeah right.

I can only assume this trial is to embarrass Bush and like everything else this chimp does this is sure to backfire and speak to his lack of leadership once it becomes a circus act which undoubtedly it will.

I cannot wait till the next election, Palin will clean his clock.

Chevy

Posted by: MrPotatoHead98 | November 17, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

codexjust1 wrote:

"The poll was deeply flawed if it didn't have the option to just kill the prisoners without any trial at all."

Yes, some have suggested that the 9/11 conspirators be flown in a helicopter about 100 stories above Ground Zero and pushed out. They could experience what our citizens who were forced to jump from the inferno faced.

Posted by: MeInTheMiddle | November 17, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

theduke89: How is it "illegal" to put criminals on trial? Since when does the Congressional authorization of tribunals require them to be used?

To those calling this an "act of war": does that make Tim McVeigh guilty of an act of war? How about John Allen Mohammed? These were terrible crimes, and those responsible should be punished severely... but under the law. Individuals and even terrorist groups cannot conduct war against the United States. Let's not even give them the satisfaction of thinking they can.

Posted by: exerda | November 17, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

re Choose:
whenever there's a murder trial, it's not the family that sues, but the state, representing the people of that state. Thus, for example, a Michigan accused murderer would be brought to court by the "people of Michigan". It goes without saying that this trial would happen in Michigan.

Posted by: danielfolsom | November 17, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

When did Americans become so scared? Try him where the crime was commited. Grow up, America.

Posted by: jckdoors | November 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Isn't it amazing the two reliable daily tracking polls show Obama's approval as follows: Rasmussen: 49%, Gallup: 50%. Average them and he's at 49.5% approval. Yet ABC/WP finds him at a comfortable 56%. Then they tell us that 48% approve and 49% disapprove of Obama's spending hundreds of millions of dollars for Circus trials in NYC for the murdering terrorists that brought us 9/11. Yet CNN asked the same question and 64% of the publich said the murdering terrorist should be tried in a Military court/tribunal. Only 34% said Federal Civilian Court. Guess what ABS/WP doesn't even seem to be within the margin of error. So what to believe? That 64% of the public would oppose spending hundreds of millions for OJ like Circus trials of the murdering terrorist in favor of fast efficient military trials, or that 48% of the public would really support the Circuses and hundreds of millions of dollars to do it Obama's way? Common sense tells you there is something wrong with the ABC/WP poll. Come on ABC/WP lets stop cooking the polls and get back to some honest jouranlism before your reputation is as bad as the NYT!

Posted by: valwayne | November 17, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: jckdoors | November 17, 2009 1:50 PM

Isn't it amazing the two reliable daily tracking polls show Obama's approval as follows: Rasmussen: 49%, Gallup: 50%. Average them and he's at 49.5% approval. Yet ABC/WP finds him at a comfortable 56%.

**and there in lies the problem. I love the - random sample of 1100 adults, Oh really now ABC/WAPO. There was a time we did not even understand methodology, now we are professors in it. So to the pollsters out there, the gig is up!**

Posted by: RWells2 | November 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

How did we try Tim McVeigh?

There's your precedent. He was a terrorist too.

Posted by: dkp01 | November 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

the majority of the family of 911 victims DO NOT WANT THIS TRIAL IN NYC - so why is this administration IGNORING what is important to these people.
_____________________________

Because this administration and this government long ago gave a flip what the public wants. It's all about them.

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | November 17, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Call me cynical, but since these men were captured on the Bush watch AND KSM has admitted to everything from the Grassy Knoll to the Twin Towers, I wonder what the evidence is against him. Why are people anxious for a trial so that they can see retribution. What about getting to the facts of the case, which, can be done in a US Court, not a military court...which, basically limits the defendants to answering pre-determined questions which argue their guilt.

Posted by: TNbybirth | November 17, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

CNN has 66% americans opposing trying them in NYC. you can try them in federal courts, if you want to go with the slim minority here. just dont do it in NYC

Posted by: dummypants | November 17, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

From what I have read about the American military tribunals in Japan and Germany after WWII were that heavy sentences were handed out, but the vast majority (>80%) of the sentences were significantly reduced or commuted. E.g., Nazi judges' sentences were reduced from life to 12 years.
US Federal criminal court system seem to prosecute cases with a lot more admissable evidence, and those convicted have to serve at least 85% of their sentence. Plus it has the appearance of public visibility and due process.

In the long term it should work in our favor to put these terrorists where they belong - in a 23 hour a day lockup next to the FBI snitches!

Posted by: joepah | November 17, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Well I see the well trained Jihadists are just tearing up this sight.

Posted by: affirmativeactionpresident | November 17, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

How did we try Tim McVeigh?

There's your precedent. He was a terrorist too.

Posted by: dkp01 | November 17, 2009 1:54 PM

====================
wrong.
mcVeigh was an American Citizen with the rights that come with being a civil american.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

the most GLARING thing is to do this will not only cause distress but ADDITIONAL MONEY THAT WE DO NOT HAVE.

not to mention the ones calling in sick who work in High Rise buildings for the obvious fears.

not to mention this INSULTS the wishes of the 911 Victims who are represented by their families who by a large majority has made it known THIS IS NOT THEIR DESIRE.

WHEN IS OBAMA AND HIS CZARS going to come to the realization that it is the desires of WE, THE PEOPLE that over-rides their personal ambitions?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

who runs the budget in your home?
husband and wife together, right?
not the kids.

imagine the expense of bringing, housing, keeping safe, these people and in of all places, NEW YORK?

WHO IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD EVEN CONSIDER TAKING ON SUCH EXPENSES WHEN ALL THEIR CREDIT CARDS HAVE ALREADY BEEN OVERBURNED AND THEY ARE BORROWING FROM SOM FOREIGNER THEY HARDLY EVEN KNOW?

this is such a mickeymouse blunder it is almost laughable except for the seriousness of it.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 2:15 PM | Report abuse

unfortunately, the military has completely bungled their prosecution by basically making up new sets of rules as they went: not affording the accused basic human rights, torturing them, not letting them be seen or speak with attorneys, and NOT even keeping thorough files of compiled evidence.

very amateurish, indeed: totalitarian.

their treatement sets a precedent for future demographics of humans viewed as threats.

give them an open trial, by the books, and also go after the criminals that locked up so many innocents, about 2/3 at least of the GITMO prisoners. they have tarnished the name of the USA and our Constitution.

Posted by: forestbloggod | November 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

We're either a nation of laws and rules - or we're barbarians baying for blood.

I for one stand up with my father and my grandfather who served and say that we are a nation of laws and rules.

Bay for blood all you wish, barbarian neocons, but know that you do not serve God or America in so doing.

Posted by: WillSeattle | November 17, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's see. According to a famous document, "In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial." ..... There doesn't seem to be any mention there of military tribunals.

Maybe we should subject the rest of the Bill of Rights to an opinion survey? The Fifth Amendment might also have trouble getting majority support. And the Fourth Amendment ("The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches") is completely out of date.

Posted by: donnolo | November 17, 2009 12:26 PM

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The above quoted post is absolutely astonishing. OUR laws apply to OUR citizens and legal guests, not terrorists. They are fighting an asymmetric WAR against us and therefore should be subject to WAR tribunals.

Posted by: proud_conservative | November 17, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

God said to send the murders to Him!
God said rapers and murderers deserve death!

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The LOONEY LEFT is just
pushing their TROJAN HORSE deeper
into the heart of the country.

Don't call them "TERRORISTS"
Don't Illegals ILLEGALS
Don't jump to conclusions about Fort Hood

DON't stop an ILLEGAL attack against Tea Party PROTESTERS IN ORLANDO who are LEGALLY
exercising a
((( LEGAL RIGHT ))) TO DEFEND THE CONSTITUTION!

BUT FIRE LOU DOBBS FOR REPORTING NEWS ON A NEWS STATION ABOUT AN INVASION

TOU G.D. LIBIDIOTS should be considered TRAITORS AND HUNG FOR FREAKIN TREASON !!!

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

wrong.
mcVeigh was an American Citizen with the rights that come with being a civil american.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 2:08 PM

Constitution says nothing about limiting rights to only Americans. I'm sorry you have so little faith in our legal system and ideals. Try them in the US, either in NYC or some other city, and they'll be locked up nice and tight or maybe even given the death sentence.

Posted by: dkp01 | November 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

"Also typical is the evident partisan split on the matter: 61 percent of Democrats would rather see trials in civilian courts, with 58 percent of Republicans preferring the military route."

This is an interesting finding, but for precisely the opposite reason: there is no significant partisan split.

Posted by: quirk | November 17, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

After you see the MILITARY has been CASTRATED by the LOONEY LEFT ... TO THE POINT WHERE THEY ARE NOT EVEN ALLOWED TO RECOGNIZE THE ENEMY IN THEIR CAMP !!!!

((( HOW THE EFF CAN YOU TRUST THEM ANYWAY )))

THIS IS HOLDER AND THE GOAT BOY GIVING THEIR NASTY THEIR AZZ PLACE TO HAM IT UP IN THE MIDDLE OF A WORLD STAGE !!!!

Our security means (((NOTHING))) to these FREAKS !

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

IMHO - A Federal trial in NYC actually looks like the high road.
1. Crimes were perpetrated against people & property in that jurisdiction.
2. This country is committed to the Rule of Law.
3. A public trial in NYC sends a clear message to Al Qaeda & the rest of the world that we will not surrender to fear on our own turf.
That is, of course, assuming the prosecution doesn't blow it & let the trial disintegrate into a debate/referendum on Gitmo rather than the events of 9/11.

There's too much wrong w/ the dubious legality of a military tribunal, not to mention its appearance as a Kangaroo Court. We need to prove to the world that we're better than these guys. The Berlin-1934 method is attractive to a lot of right-wingers, but I don't see how we win by being thugs ourselves.

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | November 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

What about helping create them in the first place for the poxy war to lure Russia into occupying Afghanistan to begin with or didn't that have anything to do with 9/11???

Posted by: Wildthing1 | November 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

So lets see if I got this right, Neocons believe that we have the greatest healthcare system in the world that doesn't need any reform while at the same time our Judicial system is ill-equipped to handle terrorism trials, much less house them. Neocons were upset when the POTUS won the Nobel Prize yet happy when Chicago lost its bid for the Olympics. For neo-cons to call themselves patriots, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Posted by: Ironcomments | November 17, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

obama.
is that the same obama with WILLIAM AYERS the domestic TERRORIST as friend?

or maybe this is the same obama who desperately tried to make MILITARY personel pay for their own health insurance?

maybe this is the same obama who had to be insulted into wearing a flag pin while his hand flopped to his side while EVERYONE else in the room had their hand across their chest.

maybe there is another obama who tried to hide his friendship with former PLO member rashidKhalidi?

no. this is the obama who said I WILL STAND WITH THE MUSLIMS who cant seem to find a church in the DC area.

hmmmm - imagine that - - the same obama who rushed to judgment telling jus not to rush to judgment. no, this couldnt possibly be the same obama with a yearning to give these criminals a loophole to be found innocent by giving them the same rights as Americans on american soil.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I love how the MEDIA ignores that there are TERRORIST CELLS in the country drooling and slobbering
for them to come here for trial

Save the SEALS and club the Democrats .


Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

The military on either side of this had nothing to do with executing nor defending us from the attackers. The Air Force was given the order to "stand down' from someone and all the FAA tapes of the communications have been destroyed. Return the criminals to the scene of the crime and have a NYC jury hear the case.

Posted by: blarsen1 | November 17, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse


Probably because most of the detainees are not guilty of anything other than being in the wrong place at the wrong time, they should be tried in Federal Court.

Posted by: demtse | November 17, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Yet another bogus pole taken by two liberal entities, The Washington post & ABC.

I wonder if the Compost, purposely polled 14 % more democrats on this subject, like they have done in the past in-order to skew the results ?

"Yes We Can"

Posted by: dashriprock | November 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

NONSENSICAL ~
Do you wake up in a new world every minute ?

We are FIRST RESPONDERS to every world crisis !
We have employed more people than anybody
WE are the ones EVERYBODY counts on to defend freedom
( until this GOAT BOY came to the White House)
We have sent more food than any other country to starving Nations through our Government and our Churches

WE DO NOT NEED TO PROVE A G.D. THING TO THE WORLD !!!

The "YOUR WORLD " needs to stop biting the hand that feeds it and quit waiting like hungry wolves for OBAMBI to deliver the final blow for you ungrateful ignorant azzes !!!

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

It's a wash. But it's Obama's job to bring us together. To lead us. To guide us. And in the process, to explain why.

From the get go, his decisions have appeared arbitrary. And in the scheme of political life, he seems a simple puppet being manged by anyone who will smile, whistle and clap at his oratory -- be it a member of his cabinet or administration, a congressional member, or a "town hall" photo op.

Sorry. He's just not presidential material. He's just as polarizing as Bush ever was.

Posted by: JAH3 | November 17, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

maddog accused me of mis-stating the facts when he wrote: "The actual CNN poll on this subject was 60% in favor of NYC and 40% in favor of military tribunals. You just cannot trust Republicans and Obama haters.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 1:04 PM

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CNN Poll: Americans want KSM tried in military court
Posted: November 16th, 2009 04:06 PM ET

Washington (CNN) – Two-thirds of Americans disagree with the Obama administration's decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian court rather than a military court, according to a new national poll.

But six in 10 people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say that the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks should be tried in the United States, as the administration plans to do, rather than at a U.S. facility in another country.

The poll indicates that 64 percent believe Mohammed should be tried in military court, with 34 percent suggesting that he face trial in civilian court. Six in 10 people questioned say Mohammed should be tried stateside, with 37 percent calling for the trial to take place at a U.S. facility in another country.

"The decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in front of a civilian court is universally unpopular - even a majority of Democrats and liberals say that he should be tried by military authorities," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Despite that, most Americans say that he will get a fair trial in the U.S."

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It appears that maddog is also a dumbdog.

Posted by: theduke89 | November 17, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

detse-
You aren't skipping a
TERRORIST CELL GROUP MEETING to
take tim to make that post, are you ?

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

David Hamilton is obama's choice for Appelate Bench.

this is the same HAMILTON that the ABA (american bar association) did something they rarely do: some years ago they declared him UNQUALIFIED this was right around the time that Clinton recommended Hamilton.

this by the way is the same Hamilton who is against Jesus-prayers but for any prayers to Allah.

PEOPLE? keep your eyes on the small things - its growing into a real large ball if we allow it to. raise your voices against these questionable people in government for it is they who will make policy DESPITE your wishes, thus making america into the america THEY wish.

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

to "noHUCKABEEnoVOTE":
Huh?!
Why not have both trials? Once as a criminal and a second time as a terrorist. Make certain that he is tried criminaly in a state without the death penalty (I believe NY fits the bill). We should have never let Sadam be hung. These terrorist should not be given the option of martyrdom. They should be left in solitary confinement (the most inhumane punishment allowd by law) for the rest of their days, to be trotted out periodically as examples of what awaits you should you be caught commiting these crimes. But if for some reason the criminal trial stumbles, then the military can seal the deal. If the criminal trial is succesful, a military trial should stil be held to give both the criminal and the military trial legitimacy.

Posted by: KJR1 | November 17, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

ohbummer.

Posted by: gatorsnc81 | November 17, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

WHO CAN BELIEVE ANYTHING
THAT COMES FROM
CNN

THEY RAN OFF THE ONLY JOURNALIST WITH ENOUGH B*A*L*L*S TO IDENTIFY AND EXPOSE THE BIGGEST SECURITY BREACH AND TREASONOUS BETRAYAL OUR COUNTRY HAS EVER SEEN BY IT'S GOVERNMENT !!!
((( THE ILLEGAL INVASION )))

You can't even get FOX to stay on that .. GERALDO might get mad and threaten them !!!!


Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

a diversion for us to take our eyes of HASAN?

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

The trial of the terrorists in NY is about our system more than it is about these guys.

Posted by: wrock76taolcom | November 17, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

@ theduke66: The military tribunals are not legal. They were not authorized by Congress - they are an amalgam of made-up powers of the presidency (thanks, Dick Cheney!) and faulty analysis of case law (Ex Parte Quirin, anyone?).

Posted by: s3rp3nts | November 17, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

All this fearmongering and scaremongering from the Republican Taliban makes them look weak and VERY extremist!


Posted by: angie12106 | November 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Lemme see if I understand. The Obamanistas are all atwitter over the "rule of law" when it comes to a throat slitter like KSM--which, incidentally, carries with it a presumption of innocence--but they're OK with not Mirandizing the guys they hope they're hitting with Hellfires while they're sitting in a mud hut with their wives and children. Got it. Hellooo Jimmy Carter.

Posted by: LHS2 | November 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Time after time one reads the results of ABC-Washington Post political polls and can only shake one's head and ruefully smile as if at a child who, confronted with irrefutable evidence of writing with crayon on the dining room and is asked if he did it, shakes his head and declares, I didn't SEE myself do it." The latest evidence, today's fifty-fifty poll as one glances over to today's poll results on the same question by the demonstrably most accurate political pollster in the country showing 51% of the nation opposed to holding the KSM trial in New York versus 29% who agree. Give it up, WashPost-ABC: take off that silly mask of integrity. We know you!

Posted by: hoya72 | November 17, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

NoHuck, drooling and slobbering could be a sign of a serious medical condition, please seek help.

Posted by: pca6661 | November 17, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

This was supposed to be our Great Uniter in Chief -- no red states, no blue states, just American states.


================================

Obama tried bipartisanship. The result is clear. The GOP put party over country.

Posted by: sr31 | November 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Those against the best legal alternative - in my mind, civilian courts - please answer these questions: Why do you live in the United States? Why do you avail yourself of our sterling legal system at every turn? You sue doctors for malpractice. You sue manufacturers for faulty goods. You sue each other for negligence in car accidents, in home construction, renters, you sue your landlords and landlords, you know you sue your renters!

Is it a question of our legal system being good enough for US, for we, the People (i.e., Americans) and not good enough for the others (Them)?

Or are you afraid that some "liberal jury" is going to release them?

Let me put that canard to rest: If any of these prisoners are released, it will be because the Bush Administration undermined these prisoners' constitutional rights, tortured their confessions out of them, and failed to search for, find and secure actionable evidence against them.

Posted by: s3rp3nts | November 17, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Only a fool would want to give KSM the intelligence data (names, sources, methods) which a allowed for his capture. The information will clearly be leaked to Al-Qaeda within hours. Sadly, KSM will be given this information in the discovery process of a civilian trial. This is exactly what happened in the trial of the Blind Sheik in the first WTC bombing. Information provided (in the discovery process) to the Blind Sheik in the first WTC trial was leaked, through his attorney's, to Al-Qaeda. This helped pave the way for the second bombing of the WTC. Now, we plan to repeat the same mistake.

Posted by: mooklock | November 17, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

All the yak about 911 and Ft Hood and trials is absurd. This stuff is overdone, overblown, media and political hype, and overcooked in some cases.

45,000 American's die each year from not having health insurance and 49,000,000 American's lack basic access to regular food.

La de da!

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

HALF WANT TRIALS.
HALF WANT TRIBUNALS.

FEWER THAN 10% CAN EXPLAIN THE DIFFERENCE.

Posted by: TOMHERE | November 17, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

So lets see if I got this right, Neocons believe that we have the greatest healthcare system in the world that doesn't need any reform while at the same time our Judicial system is ill-equipped to handle terrorism trials, much less house them. Neocons were upset when the POTUS won the Nobel Prize yet happy when Chicago lost its bid for the Olympics. For neo-cons to call themselves patriots, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Posted by: Ironcomments | November 17, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

يعم أم ان أمرسان أند ي سان تلل يأ فرست هند سمي أف مي فللوو, ستزنس, برمرلي
رببلسنسأري كوكس.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Dumb poll. They should have had a question asking whether or not we could slowly run them through a wood chipper inch by inch.

Posted by: BO__Stinks | November 17, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

While during WW II the US was home to some of the worst Nazi POW's ever seen I believe now that George W Bush has so weakened the United States that trials in NYC for these criminals may be dangerous.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I want the trial to be here in DC so I can watch. We are already terror targets and some of us at least are not afraid and refuse to be controlled by jihadists. We have to stick to our core values and the trials here accomplish that. The world already knows how facists operate they need to see KSM get a fair trial and be convicted with all the protections our system offers its own.

Posted by: bob29 | November 17, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Maddog - Please translate your last post.

Posted by: jhpbriton | November 17, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@ ChooseBestCandidate: Sir/Madam, you live in a republic, not in a state whose boundaries do not extend beyond your backyard. The fact that the families and direct victims of the 9/11 NYC attacks don't want the trial in NYC is immaterial. No victim in our judicial system gets to decide where the perpetrator is put on trial. The judicial system we have was set up to be IMPARTIAL, meaning NO FEELINGS, JUST FACTS. Hence, crime occurred in NYC, trial in NYC. Furthermore, whom do you think more likely to hand down a guilty/death sentence: Impartial people elsewhere or those most directly affected by the attacks? I mean, you can't even think selfishly properly! If I'd been a New Yorker, I'd love for them to come to my town for trial: There's no better guarantee of a guilty verdict!

Also, many of the rights in question are not limited to American citizens. READ the Bill of Rights and the Constitution, particularly the parts that say "No PERSON."

@ LHS: No, actually, most liberals still *are* and *have been* up in arms about using unmanned drone flights to kill unarmed, unsuspecting civilians. Where have you been the past 8 years?

@ KJR1: Um... a terrorist is a criminal. And you can't be tried twice for the same offense. Jesus - watch some Law and Order, will you?

@ 45upnorth: Exactly how would moving the trial overseas make it cheaper? Moving the suspects, the evidence, the lawyers... Are we just handing it over to some international tribunal? If not, let's add in protection, a place for all these people to stay - including a jail/prison for the prisoners...

Posted by: s3rp3nts | November 17, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@ boblesch: Why would you legitimize stateless terrorists by calling this a "war"?

Posted by: s3rp3nts | November 17, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why military tribunals are so great the Defense Dept failed to defend America on 9-11. The military would probably let this guy off the hook.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's get this done in an American court in New York city. We are not scared, we are not peeing in our pants in fear. Real Americans have courage and a can do attitude, not a 'whiney, whimpering, simpering, sobbing' fetal position reaction to this news.

If we are too scared to hold this trial in New York City, then the terrorists have accomplished what they set out to do. They have made us cowards.

Posted by: cfeher | November 17, 2009 12:23 PM

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NO STUPID, we're not scared. This is a show of ignorance and inexperience by the empty suit. It also is a prise for the trial lawyers who will take this through every appeals court in our country just to line their pockets.

These rag heads are war criminals and deserve to be tried by the military. But then again, the trial lawyers will pout and cry.

Posted by: frankn1 | November 17, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

President Dither is treating the War on Terror as a legal issue.

That's what the Clinton administration did with Bin Laden.

We're screwed.

Posted by: ANTILIB | November 17, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I want them tried in Federal Court and then placed in General Population.

They will fair about as well as child molesters. Cons may hate prison and the po-leece, but they love Momma, Jesus and the US of A.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | November 17, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

It's a real knee-slapper to hear the same crowd that gave us GWB twice rippin' Obama after less than a year in office.

What retards.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | November 17, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

CNN Poll: Americans want KSM tried in military court

Posted: November 16th, 2009 04:06 PM ET
Washington (CNN) – Two-thirds of Americans disagree with the Obama administration's decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian court rather than a military court, according to a new national poll

Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

We're ALREADY tried, and convicted, people of the same charges in U.S. courts . . . under the last president!

Posted by: bsteiner1 | November 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

So lets see if I got this right, Neocons believe that we have the greatest healthcare system in the world that doesn't need any reform while at the same time our Judicial system is ill-equipped to handle terrorism trials, much less house them. Neocons were upset when the POTUS won the Nobel Prize yet happy when Chicago lost its bid for the Olympics. For neo-cons to call themselves patriots, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Posted by: Ironcomments


Amen Brother...Kinda makes the old head spin!

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | November 17, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

When and where did Khalid Sheikh Mohammed acquire his right to a trial by a jury of his peers in a U.S. court?

When John Wilkes Booth shot Abraham Lincoln, alleged collaborators like Mary Surratt were tried before a military tribunal and hanged at Fort McNair. When eight German saboteurs were caught in 1942 after being put ashore by U-boat, they were tried in secret before a military commission and executed, with the approval of the Supreme Court. What makes KSM special?

Is the Obama administration aware of what it is risking by not turning KSM over to a military tribunal in Guantanamo?

How does Justice handle a defense demand for a change of venue, far from lower Manhattan, where the jury pool was most deeply traumatized by Sept. 11? Would not KSM and his co-defendants, if a change of venue is denied, have a powerful argument for overturning any conviction on appeal?

Were not KSM's Miranda rights impinged when he was not only not told he could have a lawyer on capture, but told that his family would be killed and he would be waterboarded if he refused to talk?

And if all the evidence against the five defendants comes from other than their own testimony under duress, do not their lawyers have a right to know when, where, how and from whom Justice got the evidence to prosecute them? Does KSM have the right to confront all witnesses against him, even if they are al-Qaida turncoats or U.S. spies still transmitting information to U.S. intelligence?

There have been reports that in the trials of those convicted in the first World Trade Center bombing, sources and methods were compromised, weakening our security for the second attack on Sept. 11.

If the trial is held in lower Manhattan, how much security will be needed to protect against a car bomber who wants the world to see a mighty blow struck against the Great Satan? And if, as some suggest, the trial should be held on Governors Island, would that not make the United States look like a nation under siege?

What do we do if the case against KSM is thrown out because the government refuses to reveal sources or methods, or if he gets a hung jury, or is acquitted, or has his conviction overturned?

In America, trials often become games, where the prosecution, though it has truth on its side, loses because it inadvertently breaks one of the rules.

The Obamaites had best pray that does not happen, for they may be betting his presidency on the outcome of the game about to begin.

Posted by: tjhall1 | November 17, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

The CNN survey is more nuanced than the wingnuts would have us believe:

Sixty-four percent of those surveyed said halid Sheikh Mohammed should be tried in a military court...

Sixty percent of those questioned in the CNN poll agreed that Sheikh Mohammed should be brought to the USA for trial...

All this proves is that most Americans are blowing in the wind on any issue more complex than Sarah's lipstick color or Britney's just above the asscrack tattoo.

The sheep-like mindfreeze that most of our WalMart shopping, Mickey D popping populace live with is sad.

I trust law enforcement and the justice system on this one. The elected decision makers are putting a lot of cred on the line that this will work.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | November 17, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

People, don't think this is the first trial on American soil of a terroist. Please. This trial is getting more publicity because once again, Americans who unbeknowing get's fooled again. You commit a crime in America, you stand trial and pay for your crime in America. Bottomline...

Posted by: ConsciousMindz | November 17, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Pretty much a joke,isnt it???

The REAL poeple who should be put on trial should be Bush and Cheney.Public drawing and quartering should be the punishment.

Smoke and mirrors,smoke and mirrors...

Posted by: hyroller56 | November 17, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

BULL. GO TO HOT AIR TO READ HOW WAPO SKEWS IT'S POLLS FOR THE DEMS.

YOU OVER POLL DEMS AND GET THE RESULTS YOU WANT. PUTIN WOULD BE PROUD OF HOW YOU MASSAGE YOUR POLLS. SHAME! SHAME!

Posted by: beecheery | November 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

American confusion, the results of 8 years of Ronnie Raygun, 4 years of George HW Bush, and 8 years of little Bush. Its depressing.

Posted by: Maddogg | November 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

May we have the lone wolf psychiatrist who 'allegedly' perpetrated the Ft Hood attack tried in civilian court?

Posted by: jhpbriton | November 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Holder's ace in the hole is the Supremes...

Those bloodthirsty Republican dominated mo-fros will not ultimately let these defendants go free unless they are deliberately willing to harm America to harm Obama. Some lower court may jigger this thing but for the Supremes it will be screw Obama vs. screw the country.

Posted by: willandjansdad1 | November 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Trust Obama and Mark Rich's mouth piece (Eric Holder) at your own peril! Don't forget who obtained a pardon for the Puerto Rican terrorists -- YEP -- ERIC HOLDER!!

Folks, we made a serious mistake in November 2008!

Posted by: wheeljc | November 17, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg - Pls translate your original post at 3:37 pm in Arabic to English. Please be transparent.

Posted by: jhpbriton | November 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

If there is another terrorist attack, and it is related to these trials in NY, then Obama might as well pack his bags.

Posted by: 123cartoon | November 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

KJR1- I don't believe in the Death Penalty for any reason . Believe it or not , I hated to see Saddam Hang. And I know what horrors he imposed upon people.

9-11 was a a WAR CRIME ! War was declared upon the U.S. by TERRORISTS who took advantage of our EXTREME BENEVOLENCE AND LOVE FOR LIFE AND FREEDOM.... using it to their advantage in an attempt to overpower and bring us under their control. THEY WERE STOPPED !!!! They should be tried and put away from EVERYONE .

Let them live out their natural life in a space that they have to farm and feed themselves and make their own clothes . Provide nothing but starter seed and a guarded electric barbed fence. And since our country was founded upon CHRISTIAN values , give them Bibles and leave them alone.

Our country shouldn't stand before God having to answer for people that we have captured and taken out of society .

There is a difference between defending yourself and taking vengeance. Murder and torture is never justifiable.

How many of our own JAILS are full of people who are there on trumped up phony trumped charges given the " BUMS RUSH " by ..." PUBLIC PRETENDERS" ( Public Defenders)

Tree Tinklers are already the "WEEDS" that real dangerous SEX OFFENDERS have been hiding in . There were 151 Sex Offenders in the area where a little girl was kidnapped out of a population of about 3,000 .

If there are ((( REALLY ))) THAT MANY HEINUS CRIMINALS there , why aren't the crimes more frequent ? TRUTH ? They are not all HEINUS CRIMINALS. The poor are providing a SMOKE SCREEN while the government uses them for a CASH COW.

With the Unemployment rate high , where is the money coming from to support jails if TAX REVENUE is down? ?

People will have to go to jail for spitting on the sidewalk to get ALREADY BROKE FAMILIES to scrape up for money to pay fines and keep the JAILS functioning...

Do we want terrorists offering comfort to " SCORNED AMERICANS" that have been betrayed and forgotten by their Government and converted ? ?

If families are broke , WHERE WILL AVERAGE CRIMINALS get money for commissary ?

Bringing GITMO here is a VERY BAD IDEA !
If the MILITARY can't keep TERRORIST CELLS form growing ... how can the JAIL ?

AMERICANS ARE "SCORNED LOVERS " ! LOU DOBBS could be a perfect example of that !

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

The 5% of people who didn't respond were hiding under their beds from the bogeyman.

Posted by: turkerm | November 17, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Again, Maddogg...please translate your post from 3:37 pm.

Posted by: jhpbriton | November 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

this is not the publics decision.the majority elected the president,he nominated the attorney general the congress [senate] approved the nomination. the attorney general makes the decesion.thats as fair as it can be.

Posted by: donaldtucker | November 17, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm retired and live in NY. Many days I'm looking got something to entertain me... This will do it. I worked across the street from the Trade Center and watched the security put in place in the area for years. Vans and trucks pulled over on Broadway and different parts of the City to be checked by Police with mirrors which showed them the undercarriage of the vehicles as well as checking inside..Streets blocked off by huge concrete blocks so you had to go six blocks south, four blocks east, make a left and now got six blocks north to get to your destination. Traffic jams, subway slowdowns and NYPD checking the stations and looking in the cars. By the way, they still spot check that. The demonstrators on both sides in the area and I doubt the confrontations will be civil. The showmanship in the courts will be comical but will appeal to fellow terrorists all over the world. These guys will be hailed as heroes. Sensitive classified documents will have to be made public. It will be a mess in the midst of a busy NY downtown area. But it will give me years of TV entertainment. Watching ED, KEITH, CHRIS RACHEL, jumping around every evening, worrying about their rights and blaming Bush all over again.. What a show. It will highlight the city as a target. Why would it not ??

Posted by: james_m_reilly1 | November 17, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

kare1,great post,i like your atttitude.

Posted by: donaldtucker | November 17, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

WHO AUTHORIZED OBAMA AND HOLDER TO GRANT CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS TO TERRORISTS -- REPEAT --- TERRORISTS??

These two demigods have zero respect for those who died on 9 - 11 - 2001. Perhaps had Holder done his job a bit more competently under the CLinton administration, we would not have suffered the 9 11 attack.

Who in the world can trust these lizards????

Posted by: wheeljc | November 17, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

By golly, I believe hoya72 got it right.

Posted by: JAH3 | November 17, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

It doesn't matter what Americans want - or what the families of those killed on 9/11 want. It is a matter of what our Constitution demands. If we are to be a nation of laws, then let's be a nation of laws. the military tribunals are a poor second choice - the choice of people who do not trust American justice. The poll includes conspiracy theorists (you see a lot of those on these blogs!), people who think that the U.S. is still the wild west("let's just string them up - string 'em ALL up! Or drop a bomb on 'em!") and other assorted wing-nuts, as well as people who don't have a clue what the constitution says, or care about it. "Due process" and giving them a fair trial say much to those who malign our country about our belief in our system, and give those who live under less democratic governments something to hope and strive for. It's time we became the "beacon of light in a dark world" once again.

Posted by: garoth | November 17, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

If WAPO says 1/2 are opposed to trying these terrorist in NY you can bet its waay more than 1/2.

Doesn't seem to matter what the American People want these days now that the radical creeps are in control.

Holder is a f'n freak and Obama is off the deep end. Dangerous frickin looney toons.

2010 people might be your last shot at regaining control of this country from the really bad people

Posted by: Straightline | November 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I want them to open the doors to their bus about 3 blocks from the courtroom and let them run for it.

Posted by: mcoghlan | November 17, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

So lets see if I got this right, Neocons believe that we have the greatest healthcare system in the world that doesn't need any reform while at the same time our Judicial system is ill-equipped to handle terrorism trials, much less house them. Neocons were upset when the POTUS won the Nobel Prize yet happy when Chicago lost its bid for the Olympics. Neo-cons don't want government to run our lives yet support the Patriot Act and activley seek to control what people do in their bedrooms or how a woman deals with a pregnancy. Neo-cons believing in funding wars but not health-care. For neo-cons to call themselves patriots, they sure have a funny way of showing it.

Posted by: Ironcomments | November 17, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Democrats will gradually change their tune on this when the trials take 10+ years each in bouncing around the civilian courts, replete with grandstanding and press releases by the men dedicated to destroying this nation. Wasting huge amounts of taxpayer dollars, snarling the city streets with security, and giving them a soapbox for their odious militant Islamic views isn't just win-win for these terrorists, it's win-win-win-win-win. The grotesque spectacle of watching these monsters be defended through appeal after endless appeal by the "American" Civil Liberties Union is going to be nigh unbearable.

Posted by: zippyspeed | November 17, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

By the by, I ran maddogg's 3:37 pm arabic post through google translate, and here is what it says:

"Prevails or is Omersan Land y San Talal's any First India-called F-Mai Vlloo, Stzns, Bermrli Rbbulsnsori Cox."

Interestingly, this is actually the most coherent defense of Obama's lunatic decision posted to date.

Posted by: zippyspeed | November 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

cfeher -"REAL AMERICANS " are not wetting themselves ...

They don't want the "UN-AMERICANS"
forcing their
"CITIZENS BE DAMNED" policy on us !

TRAITORS !

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

I also would like to comment, how is it that the CNN poll is so different from you poll. Their site reports:"Two-thirds of Americans disagree with the Obama administration's decision to try Khalid Sheik Mohammed in a civilian court rather than a military court, according to a new national poll.

But six in 10 people questioned in a CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday say that the alleged mastermind of the 9/11 attacks should be tried in the United States, as the administration plans to do, rather than at a U.S. facility in another country.

The poll indicates that 64 percent believe Mohammed should be tried in military court, with 34 percent suggesting that he face trial in civilian court. Six in 10 people questioned say Mohammed should be tried stateside, with 37 percent calling for the trial to take place at a U.S. facility in another country.

"The decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in front of a civilian court is universally unpopular - even a majority of Democrats and liberals say that he should be tried by military authorities," says CNN Polling Director Keating Holland. "Despite that, most Americans say that he will get a fair trial in the U.S." '.

Posted by: zebra59 | November 17, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Well more COOKED poll numbers from the now confirmed corrupt Washington POST which was caught red-handed pimping for Obama's health care plan for between $25K and $250K

.......NOW... let's look at how the American people really feel about this political decision by the corrupt Obama Administration and the crony Eric Holder.

Here's the real numbers:
, November 17, 2009
Fifty-one percent (51%) of U.S. voters oppose the Obama administration’s decision to try the confessed chief planner of the 9/11 attacks and other suspected terrorists in a civilian court in New York City.

A new Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that just 29% of voters favor the president’s decision not to try the suspects by military tribunal at the Guantanamo Naval Base in Cuba where they are now imprisoned. Nineteen percent (19%) are not sure whether it was the right decision or not. "


......There you have the "real" numbers

51% Against this political decision

29% For this political decision

POST = still a dirty dishonest liberal proaganda outlet for the Democrat Party, sad.

Posted by: allenridge | November 17, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

GAITHERSBURG -

"NATION OF LAWS ?"

Tell that to the ILLEGAL ALIENS that you're " BOWING BO" has to protect from our WICKED AMERICAN VALUES that are meant to protect AMERICANS FROM HIM AND HIS ILK !

Posted by: noHUCKABEEnoVOTE | November 17, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

This is a show trial and a circus. This is not about fear from terrorists.

A military court could have handled this case with out a great deal of expense and time to the government instead of the "trial of the century" in New York City.

Please there is enough the government could be doing besides getting involved in the Attorney General's "trial of the century", which the Attorney General claims is not a show trial.

The circus comes to New York City every spring. The federal government does not need to provide a circus.

Posted by: bsallamack | November 17, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

the majority of the family of 911 victims DO NOT WANT THIS TRIAL IN NYC - so why is this administration IGNORING what is important to these people?


Posted by: ChooseBestCandidate | November 17, 2009 12:16 PM

??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
With all due respect to those families, they don't run the country, The majority of the people elected this administration, President Barack Hussein Obama. Guess what he and his administration get to make the decisions.

What I would like to know is why so many Republicans/right wingers are afraid ? Right now they seem afraid of their own shadows.

Posted by: catmomtx | November 17, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Maddogg had the audacity to say: "Anyhoot, 9-11 is overblown, overdone, and all media and political hype. How's about 49,000,000 American's that do not have proper access to food. Does that top 9-11 or what? How's about 45,000 deaths annually from no health insurance?
9-11 needs to go to Page J13 of the local paper. American's are getting 9-11 outed." (Quoted verbatim)

So the fact that only 2976 died in the 9/11 attack compared to other domestic issues such as those you listed makes it meaningless after all this time? I guess we should also dismiss the domestic terrorist death count of 168 in the Oklahoma City bombing, 17 who died on the USS Cole, 6 in the 1993 WTC bombing --- and might as well completely forget Pearl Harbor where 2350 died. All of these are just hyped and media driven statistically insignificant numbers, right?

It's not about numbers, scope or size, although you've easily forgotten that had flight 93's flight path not been interrupted by the brave passengers who fought back we might have lost either the Capitol building or possibly the White House. But by your logic, that's media hype and also just a few more "numbers" to forget over time.

"Never forget" is not about remembering numbers and dates. It's about the people who died which are like you and me - from civilians to professional soldiers overseas and on the domestic homeland. It's about our children growing up in a world of fear, and protecting our way of life and core principles that define the United States to the world. It's about life, not death.

With all due respect, you could not be more wrong to categorize 9/11 in the cold manner you did - and I dare you to vocalize your point of view to the family members of those who died or were injured. As an American I am baffled that people dismiss 9/11 so easily after 8 or so years.

Let's remember what 9/11 is really about and stand firm as we put on trial in New York City some of the terrorists who stood firm in their beliefs. They're beyond redemption, but for Americans and muslims around the world - it sends the right message and maintains our core principles and values. Re-affirms, in fact, without being overtly nationalistic or bravado as to patriotism.

And let's forget about people like maddogg who take for granted the events of 9/11 and forget how fleeting freedom -- and life itself -- really is.

-Jim Goldbloom


Posted by: JimGoldbloomVA | November 17, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

logic vs polls: the business of war as heartless as insurance companies promoting genocide. Truly macabre.
NOBODY cares about the mocked masses sent to wars deprived of healthcare.TO collect mansions it's more important than justice and trials. FInancial terrorism as repulsive as
the 'beards' of 'terrorists'..

Posted by: manittou | November 17, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody not understand that the 9/11 and other attacks were attacks ON AMERICA by Islamic jihadists. They were acts of war. War is not conducted as a criminal investigation, although war crimes can be prosecuted. Our criminal justice system is for citizens who break our criminal laws, which are mostly STATE laws. If we are prosecuting war crimes, it is not legally done under our criminal justice system, state or federal. The jihadists have no right to our justice system.

Posted by: allamer1 | November 17, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

Not to think about saving America a few dollars, but trials in NYC will be extremely expensive. The rationales for the trials far exceed those venues proposed. Why not choose Pennsylvania where Flight 93 went down? Less notoriety over the terms of these proceedings. Less mess all around especially for NYC.

Posted by: bgahearn | November 18, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

is it just me, or is a random sample of those so rabidly foaming at the mouth against the trials decision a real indictment of the lunacy that infects some % of our populace today?

Wow--tin foil hats for the lot of you! And shame on the racist rhetoric being spouted by some as well: "chimps," indeed. Don't bother denying the racist sentiment behind that doozie.

Others using the wrongs of the past to excuse future wrongs? Guess that means that because we once allowed slavery, it's excusable to carry it out today, eh?

Some of the comments here really make me ashamed to be American. We're a country of laws and due process of justice. I have no doubt KSM et al will be found guilty and punished (likely executed--this is a federal trial, where the death penalty is allowed, after all). Why are you so afraid otherwise?

Posted by: exerda | November 18, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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