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Posted at 6:49 PM ET, 01/31/2011

Data retread: can a Mormon win?

By Jon Cohen

Amid swirling attention on U.S. Ambassador Jon Huntsman's (R) potential candidacy, there is sure to be renewed focus on whether Americans (but first Republican primary voters) are ready for a Mormon president.

Below is a partial summary of Washington Post-ABC News polling data about a Mormon running for the presidency - collected the last-go-round, when speculation centered on former Massachusetts governor Mitt Romney. Related exit poll questions from Iowa and New Hampshire are also included. Both Huntsman and Romney are Mormon.

National: in Dec. 2007, 22 percent of Americans said they would be less apt to vote for a Mormon presidential candidate. That was higher than the percentages saying they would be less likely to support someone who has been a religious leader (19 percent), a woman (15) or an African American (5).

But also notable is that the percentage turning away from a Mormon candidate dropped significantly - by 13 percentage points - between Dec. 2006 and Dec. 2007. Over this same time period, the percentage of Republicans and GOP-leaning independents saying being a Mormon was of no consequence rose 11 points to 72 percent, as the percentage less likely to vote for a Mormon candidate dropped from 36 to 21 percent. Numbers also dropped among white evangelical Protestants, 26 percent of whom said they would be less likely to vote for a Mormon candidate in Dec. 2007 (down 10 points from the year before).

Iowa: a Dec. 2007 Post-ABC poll of likely GOP caucusgoers found 20 percent saying they would be less likely to support Romney because of his religion. According to the Iowa exit poll (really an "entrance poll"), more than a third of GOP caucusgoers said that it was very important to them to be in sync with a candidate's religious beliefs, and these voters went overwhelming for Mike Huckabee (56 percent for the former Arkansas governor, while Romney scored just 11 percent).

New Hampshire: fully 88 percent of Republicans in a Dec. 2007 Post-ABC poll said Romney's Mormonism would not matter in their vote. Unlike in Iowa, in the New Hampshire exit poll, a slender 14 percent of GOP voters said it was very important to line up with a candidate's religious views, and Romney was competitive among these voters.

By Jon Cohen  | January 31, 2011; 6:49 PM ET
Categories:  2012 polls, Exit polls, Post Polls, Republican Party  | Tags:  Washington Post-ABC News poll; Post polling; Post poll; Post-ABC News poll  
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Comments

How naive of the Chriscons to think people won't bash Mormon candidates the same way teabaggers lied about Obama's religion and bashed him over it for more than three years now.

Payback is a b!tch.

Posted by: areyousaying | January 31, 2011 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Didn't Tea Party darling Sharon Angle call Mormonism a "cult"?

Or does that only apply when one is referring to a Democrat?

Posted by: areyousaying | January 31, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

A better question would be if the media would bash a Morman like they do every other Republican?

Posted by: priveye | January 31, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

- They believe God lives on a nearby planet called "Kolob"

- They don't believe in the Trinity.

- They go to their temples to get baptized for their dead ancestors, including Jews, whether or not the dead would agree or not.

- Romney (and probably Huntsman) had someone portray a Protestant Minister (maybe it what Huckabee, eh) standing alongside the devil in his temple wedding.

- Spencer Kimball, an infallable Church prophet, said native Americans became "white and delightsome" when they converted to Mormonism.

Posted by: areyousaying | January 31, 2011 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Priveye, I'll take your comments seriously once you learn to spell.

Posted by: lowercaselarry | January 31, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Mormons are weird. I'd say they are on par with Wiccans.

Posted by: taonima2000 | January 31, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Every one of "areyousaying"s bullet points with the exception of the second one is false. And priveye is right. The real question is, is todays media ready to except a Mormon president.

Posted by: sambunderson | January 31, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

It is ironic the Mormon candidate here, Mitt Romney, is the more liberal of the bunch. Non-Mormon Rand Paul and Sarah Palin have adopted positions similar to Hitler's. Case-in-hand: their attempts to change the constitution so that birthright is automatically denied for immigrants's children born in the U.S., like it was for Jewish children born in Nazi Germany. So yes, Romney would be much better...

Posted by: RegisUrgel | January 31, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse


Just as I predicted. As soon as the man from Searchlight was reelected we could count on the WaPo to roll out the anti Mormon stories.

Posted by: edbyronadams | January 31, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Morman can win if he or she is a democrat, but not as a Republican who will never nominate a Morman. The current Republicans are plain and simple religious fanatics and extremists.

Posted by: ak1967 | January 31, 2011 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Why not?

Posted by: scv3456 | February 1, 2011 12:19 AM | Report abuse

ARE THERE TEA PARTIERS IN BOSTON MASS. or is this just an Obama because he is different than us thing?

Repeal Mitt "RomneyCare?"

...One difference, he said, is that Massachusetts, unlike Washington, did not finance its plan with a tax increase. But Massachusetts officials acknowledge that they were able to make the numbers work only by gaining federal permission to redirect Medicaid dollars that compensated hospitals for treating the uninsured. Since Mr. Romney left office in 2007, the state has raised taxes to keep the program afloat during the recession...."

Mitt Romney on Health Care: A Particular Spin
By KEVIN SACK
Published: April 9, 2010

NEW YORK TIMES . COM

Posted by: MILLER123 | February 1, 2011 12:28 AM | Report abuse

George Bush would never have been president had it not been for the Mormons. They selected a weak and easily manipulated man who served their purpose. The LDS has become marvelously rich thanks to Bush. The goal of the LDS has been to put a Mormon in the White House. They invested a hundred million to try and take California's governorship and eventualy its electoral votes. Under Bush and Rove, hundreds of LDS were put into jobs in the Federal govt in sensitive positions. The NSA is building a $1B facility in Salt Lake City which is a dangerous precedent to put one group of people in charge of critical and sensitive data on hundreds of thousands of people. This, under Bush/Rove tutelage.

Posted by: pkbishop1 | February 1, 2011 12:33 AM | Report abuse

No Mormon could ever be elected President. Just like no Catholic, Irishman (Like Kennedy or Barry O'Bama), African-American etc. They couldn't until they were.

Posted by: scientist1 | February 1, 2011 12:40 AM | Report abuse

Yes, a Mormon could become president. For years I have been praying that God would bless whatever is good about each and every religion and that He would expose false practices and teachings. We have learned about the abuses of Muslims and the fallacies of Roman Catholics. Whatever is out of line with the Mormon religion will be exposed. As a United Methodist I have worked with Mormons and they are honorable people to deal with.

Posted by: hurleyvision | February 1, 2011 2:01 AM | Report abuse

These are the same histrionic alarms that were raised when John F. Kennedy ran as the first Catholic presidential candidate. I don't care about a man's or woman's religious background. I only care about their ability to govern. Of course, that won't stop ignorant liberals from latching on to any excuse they can find.

Posted by: LapWalk | February 1, 2011 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Depends, can they explain how magnets work?

Posted by: Falling4Ever | February 1, 2011 4:26 AM | Report abuse

Mitt Romney will never be elected president, but that has less to do with him being Mormon than with him being a huge phony.

Posted by: Pupster | February 1, 2011 5:25 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how Repubs reverse their bias and racism when it suits them. Romney was their better candidate in the last race. Despite his mormonism he seemed to make the most sense, especially compared to overzealous southern baptist Huckabee and the flip-flopper. There's a whole new generation of young people out here now, which was seen from the elections.

Posted by: lidiworks1 | February 1, 2011 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Mormonism as a religion inflicts bigotry, against people of color, women, and homosexuals. So is it unfair that it is an object of bias?

Posted by: Pupster | February 1, 2011 5:33 AM | Report abuse

Mitt will be President when the people of the US want a President who agrees with every voter on every issue... at least for a few minutes at a time. That is Mitt.

Posted by: baldinho | February 1, 2011 6:18 AM | Report abuse

if we can get to where we have a half black, half muslim, untested, motivational speaker then anything is possible. great guy, but if he calls him self a Christian then people will start wearing him out because Mormonism and Christianity are polar opposites. Read Richard Abanes, One Nation Under Gods and learn for yourself what they teach. I like him as a President and feel he would be great. But be who you are, be proud of your faith, and do not mix religions because people will call you a heretic if you play that card. Just be you like Obama.. Oh well, bad example but you get the point.

Posted by: doyouktt | February 1, 2011 6:32 AM | Report abuse

While it is difficult to prove the falsity of the tribal religion judism and its god yahweh, the cult of the Christ and their god Jesus, and the cult of Mohammed and his creation islam it is easy to prove that the "church of latter day saints" was a clumsey invention of Joseph Smith. So how does a candidate for the Presidency of the United States prove there is not something wrong with him psychologically if he/she is an adherent to the church of latter day saints? The United States is a tolerant country but I doubt that it will vote into office a person that is provablely religously goofy. I wish it was the same for all practicing jews, christians, and muslims who are just as goofy but it isn't. There is a publically percieved difference between the traditional abrahamic monotheistic cults and the modern monotheistic cult of Joseph Smith. That fact is just too much for Milt Rommney to succeed in his efforts to gain America's highest public office. I maybe wrong but we certainly saw what happened in 2008 when Rommney a candidate with a clearly superior record was defeated by an inferior McCain and bested by an inferior Huckabee too.

The Glen Beck conspiracy to get a mormon constitutional literalist conservative into the White House will not succeed. Mupert Murdock will have failed once more, although he does have other bets placed.

Posted by: alw1 | February 1, 2011 6:43 AM | Report abuse

Yes, we could elect a Mormon president.

I hope that we don't, though, because the "leaders" of that church seem to have a huge amount of influence over its members.

If Americans vote for Mitt Romney, I highly doubt that their vote means they want a bunch of old, rich, white guys who are secluding themselves amongst their own in Utah.

Posted by: mikecapitolhill | February 1, 2011 6:44 AM | Report abuse

Glenn Beck is a Mormon with messianic pretensions. Mormon candidates can only be viable if they clearly distance themselves from Beck.

Posted by: kwoodgr | February 1, 2011 6:57 AM | Report abuse

"George Bush would never have been president had it not been for the Mormons. They selected a weak and easily manipulated man who served their purpose. The LDS has become marvelously rich thanks to Bush. The goal of the LDS has been to put a Mormon in the White House. They invested a hundred million to try and take California's governorship and eventualy its electoral votes. Under Bush and Rove, hundreds of LDS were put into jobs in the Federal govt in sensitive positions. The NSA is building a $1B facility in Salt Lake City which is a dangerous precedent to put one group of people in charge of critical and sensitive data on hundreds of thousands of people. This, under Bush/Rove tutelage."

This is the same as military welfare/jobs for southern states. Ever wonder why so much of the cannon fodder speaks with a twang? Their economy stinks; shooting and killing are growth businesses.

Posted by: citizen625 | February 1, 2011 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Mitt Romney is a candidate with credentials that appear to be the best in the Republican field. He is not a "nut" or religious zealot. As a Republican, I can vote for him because he is intelligent and industrious. Since I am a "Fundamentalist" Protestant, this should mean something along those lines.

Posted by: LongRanger1 | February 1, 2011 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Oh, ha! At first I thought it asked if a moron could win, and no duh, we already had Bush for 8 years.

Posted by: upland_bill | February 1, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse


Can a mormon be president? Before Obama, I would have said, no way... Now I'm not so sure...

Posted by: demtse | February 1, 2011 8:15 AM | Report abuse


Can a mormon be president? Before Obama, I would have said, no way... Now I'm not so sure...

Posted by: demtse | February 1, 2011 8:22 AM | Report abuse

Every one of "areyousaying"s bullet points with the exception of the second one is false. And priveye is right. The real question is, is todays media ready to except a Mormon president.

Posted by: sambunderson
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Either you're delusional or in the immortal words of your Joe Wilson, "You Lie!"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kolob

http://www.religionfacts.com/mormonism/beliefs/godhead_not_trinity.htm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baptism_for_the_dead

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-religion/2607580/posts

http://mrm.org/white-and-delightsome


Posted by: areyousaying | February 1, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

It's not his religion but RomneyCare in MA that will sink him. It's turned into a financial nightmare!!!!

Posted by: Jimbo77 | February 1, 2011 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The uninformed, idotic, anti-Mormon statements above are proof that it would be difficult for a Mormon to be elected president. Right wing Republicans usually don't openly state their bigoted beliefs about Mormons, they just make sure it could never happen by influencing voters behind the scenes. The hate mail above is usually from misguided and misinformed liberals and independents who don't have the wherewithall to study and learn for themselves and form their own opinion but would rather just state tired and stupid prejudices usually expounded from the pulpits of evangelical ministers concerned with losing their flocks...and their income.

Posted by: johnhouse | February 1, 2011 9:06 AM | Report abuse

areyousaying posted:

- They believe God lives on a nearby planet called "Kolob"

- They don't believe in the Trinity.

- They go to their temples to get baptized for their dead ancestors, including Jews, whether or not the dead would agree or not.

- Romney (and probably Huntsman) had someone portray a Protestant Minister (maybe it what Huckabee, eh) standing alongside the devil in his temple wedding.

- Spencer Kimball, an infallable Church prophet, said native Americans became "white and delightsome" when they converted to Mormonism.

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Let's see -- Catholics believe:

- That God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one person but yet are three people at the same time.

- That when you take communion, you are literally eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ

- That if you die without being baptized, whether it's your fault or not, and whether you're a child or not, that you go to purgatory and may never be able to go to heaven

- That lifetime celibacy, self-flagellation, shaving part of your head (tonsure), and living in isolation are appropriate actions to take if you really want to serve God

And yet, not only did we elect a Catholic as one of our most revered presidents (Kennedy), but many more Catholics have been elected to public service, and have served honorably and well.

And every religion -- bar none -- believes in something that, when taken out of context, seems very bizarre.

The bottom line is that one's religious beliefs should have absolutely no effect on one's qualifications as a political leader.

Posted by: Quaesitum | February 1, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

areyousaying posted:

- They believe God lives on a nearby planet called "Kolob"

- They don't believe in the Trinity.

- They go to their temples to get baptized for their dead ancestors, including Jews, whether or not the dead would agree or not.

- Romney (and probably Huntsman) had someone portray a Protestant Minister (maybe it what Huckabee, eh) standing alongside the devil in his temple wedding.

- Spencer Kimball, an infallable Church prophet, said native Americans became "white and delightsome" when they converted to Mormonism.

-------------------

Let's see -- Catholics believe:

- That God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are one person but yet are three people at the same time.

- That when you take communion, you are literally eating the flesh and drinking the blood of Christ

- That if you die without being baptized, whether it's your fault or not, and whether you're a child or not, that you go to purgatory and may never be able to go to heaven

- That lifetime celibacy, self-flagellation, shaving part of your head (tonsure), and living in isolation are appropriate actions to take if you really want to serve God

And yet, not only did we elect a Catholic as one of our most revered presidents (Kennedy), but many more Catholics have been elected to public service, and have served honorably and well.

And every religion -- bar none -- believes in something that, when taken out of context, seems very bizarre.

The bottom line is that one's religious beliefs should have absolutely no effect on one's qualifications as a political leader.

Posted by: Quaesitum | February 1, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

So...it's Romney today
(Bachmann yesterday and Sexy Sarah the day before).

In the past presidential primaries I would have hesitated to vote for Romney for the religious reason. However, since we elected a guy who was raised Athiest/Muslim, taught by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and dissrespects those who "cling to God and guns", the Romney religious worry has faded.

Yes, despite his being a Mormon and the
initiator of RomneyCare, he is electable...and the thanks for that designation go solely to our current POTUS.

It's a new day in America.

Posted by: BluePelican | February 1, 2011 9:12 AM | Report abuse

So...it's Romney today
(Bachmann yesterday and Sexy Sarah the day before).

In the past presidential primaries I would have hesitated to vote for Romney for the religious reason. However, since we elected a guy who was raised Athiest/Muslim, taught by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and dissrespects those who "cling to God and guns", the Romney religious worry has faded.

Yes, despite his being a Mormon and the
initiator of RomneyCare, he is electable...and the thanks for that designation go solely to our current POTUS.

It's a new day in America.

Posted by: BluePelican | February 1, 2011 9:14 AM | Report abuse

So...it's Romney today
(Bachmann yesterday and Sexy Sarah the day before).

In the past presidential primaries I would have hesitated to vote for Romney for the religious reason. However, since we elected a guy who was raised Athiest/Muslim, taught by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and dissrespects those who "cling to God and guns", the Romney religious worry has faded.

Yes, despite his being a Mormon and the
initiator of RomneyCare, he is electable...and the thanks for that designation go solely to our current POTUS.

It's a new day in America.

Posted by: BluePelican | February 1, 2011 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Sorry about the multiple posts, I was getting a "fail" screen while they backed up.

Posted by: BluePelican | February 1, 2011 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Despite the political diatribe, most of which is innuendo and false accusations from the uneducated against Romney…

It’s the economy, stupid!

Romney has created more private sector jobs, saved more private sector businesses than any other candidate.

Funny. Half of MA loves what Romney did, the other half hate him, maybe because he left after completing only one term. Maybe he is not a “career” politician, do you always need a “career” politician to get the job done?

Yes, he worked as the MA governor for his entire term for FREE!!! Who else would have done that!?

MA had a huge deficit when he started, and he left MA with a surplus and balanced budget without raising taxes at the end of his term. Who else has done that? He can't help it if the government screwed up after he left.

The MA’s super majority Democrat controlled legislature wanted desperately some kind of Universal Health care program. He worked with them to create one that would work, similar to mandated auto insurance. It is estimated that 98% of the residents are now covered. It was within projected budget, except after Romney left the state government had to make changes to the program and now it is costing them. Romney believes that states -- not the federal government -- should be free to design their own plans for covering the uninsured.

He compromised on some things in order to keep the state government working together and moving forward.

He has successfully and profitably managed large businesses, helped turn around large companies that were sinking and helped other companies get started, saving and creating thousands of American jobs. What other candidate has done that?

He knows and understands world economics.

He turned around a struggling 2002 Winter Olympics and made it into one of the most profitable Olympics in history. And only took a $1 dollar salary. Who else would have done that!?

He is against federalization and big government and believes in state’s rights to govern their own affairs.

He lives the example and believes in the importance of family.

He is for a strong military and believes the borders should be better protected.

The list of real positives is far greater than the supposed list of negatives.

Posted by: dcdinnell | February 1, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse


Never trust a mormon, aka momo's.

Posted by: nalaegral | February 1, 2011 9:39 AM | Report abuse

I'm no supporter of Romney (nor Huntsman), but the argument over religion is ridiculous. And from reading the comments on this story, ignorance about the Mormons runs rampant. And then someone cites stuff from the Internet, the source of all accurate knowledge? Have we devolved into that!

Obama in 2012.

Posted by: clarkesq | February 1, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

I think it might be possible for a mormon to win if a renewed smear campaign does not begin . The last time a mormon ran PBS started showing all sorts of "documentaries" depicting mormons as crazed lunatics . The timing could not have been accidental . Their religion is no more messed up than any of the other ones out there . They all have a luni-fringe element . Take a good look at Obama's mentor Reverend Wright . He puts mormons to shame in the crazy department .

Posted by: cpjf | February 1, 2011 9:50 AM | Report abuse

No Mormon has a chance of getting the GOP nomination because of the influence of the Christian Right in the nominating process.

I appreciate the poll numbers and I'm not questioning their veracity. I am questioning how realistic the polls are in the context of a heated, spirited campaign in which turnout and involvement are factors which aren't considered in the polls.

Even if Christian Right national figures such as Dobson & Robertson endorsed Romney or Huntsman, I doubt such endorsements would hold much sway with the Christian Right rank & file, even though it may on many issues of concern to them. Not on this one.

Who is the Christian Right? Those who attend Church every Sunday to hear fundamentalist sermons, those who faithfully attend Sunday School, those who evangelize through "mission trips" to save souls because they're convinced their way is the only way to salvation, those who consider the Bible inerrant - that is, perfect Word of God.

These folks take their faith very seriously and look to their local preachers & pastors for guidance and support. And they'll never accept as POTUS a man whose faith says the Book of Mormon is equal to the Bible in divine authorship or that Joseph Smith was a prophet who received direct relevation from God. If anything, fundamentalist Christians would see Mormonism as a threat to their faith, a different and potentially more dangerous (to them) threat than atheism/secular humanism, Catholicism, main-line Protestants et al because it purports to hold the only truth in Christianity.

It's true that Christian Right fundamentalists have much in common on social issues with Mormons (and even some theological issues) and are thus able to work together in coalition on some. But POTUS is a whole other ball game.

The national news media (including WAPO)is largely secular and ignorant of the complexities and nuances of American Christianity so I don't expect much insightful analysis from them.

Posted by: Cookerhiker1 | February 1, 2011 9:55 AM | Report abuse

The question is not whether or not America is ready for a Mormon president; the question is whether conservative fundamentalists are willing to vote for one in their primaries.

Prejudice can and does happen on the left as well as the right. On the left, I suspect many are prejudiced against Mormons because of the LDS' historic antipathy to blacks (repudiated decades ago and I believe sincerely) and its willingness to spend millions to defeat social rights legislation.

But the bigger problem for Romney and Huntsman will be the Christian fundamentalists in their own primaries who like these two on so many levels, but can't get over their religious doctrinal differences.

Posted by: abqcleve | February 1, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Romney is about as upstanding and squeaky clean as anyone can be. He has led an exemplary life with nothing in his closet that would sink his nomination that we are aware of. So, what does our nation that was founded on Religious tolerance do, they sink him because of his religion. Good going folks. We allow the Muslims who have sworn to kill us and end our way of life if we do not convert to have free access to everything and we do not hold their religion against them because of a few radicals, but we try desperately to sink Romney and have succeeded in the past. There is a story there somewhere. Why don't you write about that?

Posted by: nychap44 | February 1, 2011 10:23 AM | Report abuse

I think it might be possible for a mormon to win if a renewed smear campaign does not begin . The last time a mormon ran PBS started showing all sorts of "documentaries" depicting mormons as crazed lunatics . The timing could not have been accidental....

Posted by: cpjf | February 1, 2011 9:50 AM
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Last I checked, PBS is not the preferred TV outlet for Christian conservatives.

Romney's problem is the Baptist and Pentecostal pulpits across America: if the likes of McCain can beat him in the GOP primaries and if the pursed lips of Republicans prompted Romney to go on national TV to address Mormonism--not for the benefit of the left or independents but to sway, futilely, the right, no Mormon has a chance in the current GOP.

Mormons don't help by being super secretive about their practices; but the prejudice to be overcome is from the right.

Posted by: abqcleve | February 1, 2011 10:27 AM | Report abuse

....but we try desperately to sink Romney and have succeeded in the past. There is a story there somewhere. Why don't you write about that?

Posted by: nychap44 | February 1, 2011 10:23 AM
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It's Republicans who sink Romney; remember, he won in Massachusetts, hardly a red state....

Posted by: abqcleve | February 1, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Wouldn't it be odd to have a president who believes 95% of his countrymen will rot in hell for all eternity?

Posted by: MrChip1 | February 1, 2011 10:31 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how Repubs reverse their bias and racism when it suits them. Romney was their better candidate in the last race. Despite his mormonism he seemed to make the most sense, especially compared to overzealous southern baptist Huckabee and the flip-flopper. There's a whole new generation of young people out here now, which was seen from the elections.

Posted by: lidiworks1 | February 1, 2011 5:26 AM
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Agreed; but unfortunately, it appears Romney learned a damaging lesson from The Flipper and has become an even more egregious exemplar of same.

Posted by: abqcleve | February 1, 2011 10:33 AM | Report abuse

where did the brother put the three golden tablets, the seer stones, and the stone box he found them in? did native americans come to america from jerusalem and were they white before some of them turned red? troubling stuff. sounds sort of like david karesh.

Posted by: joeblow111 | February 1, 2011 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Mormonism will stop Romney's bid, basically because many "Christians" in Iowa, NH, SC, etc. view Mormonism as a cult. (Guess they haven't watched Palin's exorcism video). But probably more importantly, he's the architect of Romneycare, which is the MA version and foundation of the current healthcare legisltation. It's working well here in MA, but conservatives don't plan on every sponsoring universal health care, so he's doomed with that crowd. And the funny thing is Mitt's the only electable candidate of the bunch.

Posted by: ben16 | February 1, 2011 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Looks like Mormons are at it again -- denying what the church teaches. That's understandable since Mormonism teaches so many absurd ideas. Regarding Kolob (the star near god's thrown), here is a link to the *official* LDS Internet site:

http://lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/3.9?lang=eng#8

It's really hard to help non-Mormons understand how truly weird Joseph Smith's Mormonism really is. It's this basic weirdness that leads many Mormons to (as we have seen in this thread) lie about what the church teaches.

But as weird as Mormonism is, Smith's fraud had unanticipated consequences that made it even weirder than many Mormons realize.

For example, according to official LDS doctrine, an Egyptian god named Min is "the" god of the universe. Here, again, is a link to the official LDS website:

http://lds.org/scriptures/pgp/abr/fac-2?lang=eng

The figure labeled #7 (it's upside down as shown on the official LDS Internet site) is identified by Joseph Smith as God. In reality, though, this is an image of the phallic Egyptian god Min (Min is a common Egyptian god, recognized immediately by Egyptologists). Joseph Smith, being functionally illiterate with regard to Egyptian gods, mislabeled Min as Jehovah and his blaspheme continues to this very day, bound inside “holy” and “official” Mormon scripture.

Look closely at Facsimile 2 and you can even see his erect male member. Several decades ago the LDS Church tried to erase the erect male member, but ex-Mormons brought it to everyone's attention and so they (looking foolish) left it in. But it's still upside down.

The Book of Mormon is as absurd at the Book of Abraham, and claims that the ancient Americans were Hebrews that domesticated horses, cultivated Old World plants, and smelted steel. It is an obvious and clumsy fraud.

Look, Mormons can't have it both ways. If Mormonism is a key part of their lives and influences the way they act and think, then their belief in absurd ideas is relevant to whether or not they are qualified to lead the country. After all, there should be *some* intellectual prerequisites for the job of President, and you'd think that the ability to distinguish fact from absurdity would be one of them.

Duwayne Anderson
Author of "Farewell to Eden: Coming to terms with Mormonism and science"

Posted by: duwaynea | February 1, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

nychap44 said "We allow the Muslims who have sworn to kill us and end our way of life if we do not convert to have free access to everything.."

Really? How many Muslims can you count in the halls of Congress? The answer is one and his path has been a painful one.

MrChip1 -If you are insinuating that Mormons believe what you wrote, you are severly misinformed. If you understood their theology the numbers would be reversed.

Posted by: johnhouse | February 1, 2011 10:41 AM | Report abuse

No problem as long as we're not talking about flipper Romney. I like Huntsman much better. Of course, you might have to hold your nose and vote for whatever yellow dog the GOP nominates unless Democrats come to their senses and reverse the mistake they dumped on this country in 2008. The only reason we have Obama is we couldn't stand any more Bush. So now we have something worse.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | February 1, 2011 10:46 AM | Report abuse

No problem as long as we're not talking about flipper Romney. I like Huntsman much better. Of course, you might have to hold your nose and vote for whatever yellow dog the GOP nominates unless Democrats come to their senses and reverse the mistake they dumped on this country in 2008. The only reason we have Obama is we couldn't stand any more Bush. So now we have something worse.

Posted by: CincinnatiRIck | February 1, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

".... And the funny thing is Mitt's the only electable candidate of the bunch."

Posted by: ben16 | February 1, 2011 10:38 AM |


What "bunch" are you referring to? Does it include Texas Gov. Rick Perry? IMHO, Perry is the Republicans' strongest, most "electable" candidate. Unlike Mitt who only served 1 term because he'd have likely lost re-election (courage anyone?) Perry can claim >10 years experience governing the nation's 2nd most populous state. He's got $$$ and accordingly supports fully the agenda of corporate America. He fended off a primary challenge from Sen. Hutchinson by successfully portraying her as an insider vs. himself as an outsider with Tea Party support.

And the icing on the cake: he's in a unique position to gain favor with the Right in the primaries because he can pardon or at least commute Tom DeLay's sentence.

The rightwing kingmamkers, movers & shakers who fund the conservative institutions will see Palin as unelectable and Perry as their man in 2012.

Posted by: Cookerhiker1 | February 1, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Last time I checked the Mormon religion is nothing more of a cult then a religion who believes in WAY MORE then what Jesus preached. More like L. Ron Hubbard crap that people "SUPPOSEDLY" worship...

Posted by: yeayea911 | February 1, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Data retread: can a Mormon win?
By Jon Cohen

....Don't know could a Jew win? Don't think religion should be an issue here unless we want to get into everyone's religion........we can start with the staff at the POST......

Posted by: allenridge | February 1, 2011 10:56 AM | Report abuse

The only ticket with any chance having Romney at the top is Huckabee as veep. Cantor will leave their Evangelical base home, while Bachmann/Palin will drive away independents. Huckabee has Willie Horton syndrome which may knock him out of contention. Time will tell. In any case job creation gets over 150,000/month Obama gets re-elected.

Posted by: jameschirico | February 1, 2011 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Cookerhiker1 | February 1, 2011 10:55 AM

What "bunch" are you referring to? Does it include Texas Gov. Rick Perry? IMHO, Perry is the Republicans' strongest, most "electable" candidate. Unlike Mitt who only served 1 term because he'd have likely lost re-election (courage anyone?) Perry can claim >10 years experience governing the nation's 2nd most populous state. He's got $$$ and accordingly supports fully the agenda of corporate America. He fended off a primary challenge from Sen. Hutchinson by successfully portraying her as an insider vs. himself as an outsider with Tea Party support.

And the icing on the cake: he's in a unique position to gain favor with the Right in the primaries because he can pardon or at least commute Tom DeLay's sentence.

The rightwing kingmamkers, movers & shakers who fund the conservative institutions will see Palin as unelectable and Perry as their man in 2012.
____________________________________________________________

Is this the same Rick Perry of Texas who's state has a 25 billion dollar shortfall in his state that has already cut to the bone? The same Rick Perry who genius of little to no taxes in the Texas oil industry has paid off very well for his state? His coffers are full of money while the rest of the populace suffers?

I THINK NOT....

Posted by: yeayea911 | February 1, 2011 11:05 AM | Report abuse

I suspect that if a non-US citizen can win then anyone has a chance!

Posted by: KBlit | February 1, 2011 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't think a Mormon can win. Back when JFK was running for office, he struggled to assure us all that he would keep church and state separate. Politicians are different now. They seek to get support by saying they will impose their relgious beliefs through the government. And that's often true whether those policians are Southern Baptists, Roman Cathlics, or Mormans.

When the Mormans rush millions from out of the state into California to defeat gay marriage proposals, I decided I would never ever vote for George Romney.

Posted by: tinyjab40 | February 1, 2011 11:22 AM | Report abuse

All you have to do is attend any anti-Mormon 'Christian' sermon on Sunday and hear how much loathing the christian political right despise Mormons to know they will NEVER allow a Mormon to be their Republican nominee.

As good a candidate and possible president as Huntsman could be, or as bad as one as Romney could be, neither will ever pass the purity test of those on the religious Right whose stamp of approval they must first receive.

Posted by: HillRat | February 1, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I Have Read That Howard Hughes Only Wanted Mormons Around Him (employed)...

Posted by: lennybeachboy999 | February 1, 2011 11:24 AM | Report abuse

The founder of the Church Joseph Smith Jr. announced a run for President in 1844 but was killed in the Carthage, Illinois jail by a lynch mob at the end of June. Mo Udall also ran as a Democrat in 1976 and his religion was not an issue. Religion was made an issue in Iowa by Carter who went after Sargent Shriver with Catholic voters for his pro choice views. Carter won the caucuses by finishing second to the uncommitted category although it took a while to clinch the nomination.

Posted by: ejgallagher1 | February 1, 2011 11:27 AM | Report abuse

I asked a reporter a while back if one of them would ask Romney if he believed that the Angel Moroney brought the Golden Tablets down from Heaven and gave them to Smith. When people asked to see them Angel Maroney took them back up to Heaven.
The reporter said they did not ask questions like that. If this man is going to be President someone sure should ask him.

Posted by: chicagostanford | February 1, 2011 11:33 AM | Report abuse

So, let me get this straight, the so called “family values” party would rather elect people like David Vitter, Mark Sanford etc… than a Mormon? I know and work with many Mormons and they are exemplary people to who teach that the family is central, they are honest, disciplined and moral individuals. And yes, they are Christians, i.e. they believe in Jesus Christ as the true and living savior of the world. I can understand how all the Republican voters wouldn’t want someone like that to represent their party.

Posted by: jbman | February 1, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Better a Mormon than a Muslim.....that's what I always say.

Posted by: politicalregister | February 1, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

ok lets face it the mormons financed the california prop8 which denigrated part of the american population, so as soon as both candidates tell us that this was a major moron! mistake lets give them the chance to run. SAY NO TO LDS PROP8HATE.

Posted by: willemkraal | February 1, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

Lol! You hit the nail on the head, johnhouse! Those evangelical ministers can't be losing their flocks to a church with a lay ministry! Interesting... Romney did wonders for MA - and all without pay! I'm more inclined to vote for Romney, just like I'm more inclined to a religious leader who renders service to his flock, without pay!

...and when I hear all the anti Mormon tripe, I wonder if we ever left sixth grade?

Posted by: lkidler | February 1, 2011 11:58 AM | Report abuse

A mormon, not too sure. But a man who ties his dog to the roof of his car in freezing rain, NO WAY IN HELL.

Posted by: dogsbestfriend | February 1, 2011 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Every one of "areyousaying"s bullet points with the exception of the second one is false.

Posted by: sambunderson | January 31, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse
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I'm surprised he forgot about the "magic underwear". ;) In my opinion Mormonism is more whacky than the average religious mythos. And to me they're all whacky.

Posted by: gorble | February 1, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

So...it's Romney today
(Bachmann yesterday and Sexy Sarah the day before).

In the past presidential primaries I would have hesitated to vote for Romney for the religious reason. However, since we elected a guy who was raised Athiest/Muslim, taught by Rev. Jeremiah Wright and dissrespects those who "cling to God and guns", the Romney religious worry has faded.

Yes, despite his being a Mormon and the
initiator of RomneyCare, he is electable...and the thanks for that designation go solely to our current POTUS.

It's a new day in America.

___________________________
In other words, if it's a choice between a Mormon white man and a Baptist white man, you'd choose the Baptist. But if it's a choice between a black man and any white man, you'd choose the white man, no matter how irrational that white man may be (i.e.,he believe that he will populate his own planet with his multiple wives and progeny). It's really sad that you can't even realize how biggoted and racist you are.

Posted by: October10S | February 1, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse

The question should read "CAN A CROOK WIN" The answer will be no on this piece of S???.

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | February 1, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

this the same Rick Perry of Texas who's state has a 25 billion dollar shortfall in his state that has already cut to the bone? The same Rick Perry who genius of little to no taxes in the Texas oil industry has paid off very well for his state? His coffers are full of money while the rest of the populace suffers?

I THINK NOT....

Posted by: yeayea911 | February 1, 2011 11:05 AM

OK - I'll stipulate your 3 questions above are factually correct and that the answer is "yes." The last 2 do nothing to hurt his chances in the GOP primaries. And even the first one is a work-in-progress - he'll just keep cutting to the bone and the bone itself, and that'll be fine with the GOP base.

Your response reflects your loathing of Perry but whether you or I like him as our candidate is irrelevant - the question is what and who appeals to the GOP base and party brokers i.e. those who pull the strings.

Posted by: Cookerhiker1 | February 1, 2011 12:16 PM | Report abuse

This is what the Mormons intend from their own documents and leadership; it is called The White Horse Prophesy of Joseph Smith. The bottom line is that the Mormons do not do unto others as they would have others do unto them; as the demand tolerance of their own diversity of thought, they do not tolerate the same (respect for diversity of thought and faith) for others nor do they let out all of their secret intentions, rituals and beliefs in their evangelism.

"You will see the constitution of the United States almost destroyed. It will hang like a thread...A terrible revolution will take place in the land of America...[T]he land will be left without a Supreme Government...[Mormonism] will have gathered strength, sending out Elders to gather the honest in heart...to stand by the Constitution of the United States...In these days...God will set up a Kingdom, never to be thrown down...[T]he whole of America will be made the Zion of God." (Joseph Smith, May, 6, 1843, founder of Mormonism, quoted in "One Nation Under Gods: A History of the Mormon Church" by Richard Abanes, Four Walls Eight Windows Press, NY. 2002, p xvi)

"Listeners of KSL Radio's "The Doug Wright Show" were surprised on November 9, 1999 when Wright's guest, Republican Senator Orrin Hatch (a devout Mormon) quoted the infamous "White Horse" prophecy. The prediction by Mormonism's founder, Joseph Smith, contains what has always been the Mormon American Dream--i.e. the transformation of the U.S. government into a Mormon-ruled theocracy divinely ordained 'not only to direct the political affairs of the Mormon community, but eventually those of the United States and ultimately the world." (Ibid.p.xvii)

Posted by: jcraven | February 1, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

tinyjab40 said, "When the Mormans rush millions from out of the state into California..."

I'm assuming you meant 'Utah' when you said "The state." There are actually more Mormons in California now than in Utah. Scary, huh? Mormons from Utah can't vote on California issues. A gay friend of mine admitted that gays were just not organized in California when the vote came up. Oganization - now that's something the Mormons do quite well.

And, George Romney is dead. His son, Mitt, might run for president.

chicagostanford - the name is Moroni with a long "eye". And no one ever claim he broought the plates from heaven. Now you know.

Posted by: johnhouse | February 1, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Can a Catholic win? Can a Black man win?

Posted by: Lefty_ | February 1, 2011 12:34 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty ironic for Mormons to whine about majoritarian bigotry.

Posted by: DoctorWhom | February 1, 2011 1:21 PM | Report abuse

. On the left, I suspect many are prejudiced against Mormons because of the LDS' historic antipathy to blacks (repudiated decades ago and I believe sincerely) and its willingness to spend millions to defeat social rights legislation.

Personally, I don't care what a person's religion, is as long as she or he can do the job. I am one of the few people that would even vote for an atheist, if he or she were qualified. However, as an African American, I admit I would be very wary of having a Mormon as president because of the reasons the previous poster stated above.

Posted by: tonksrock | February 1, 2011 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Electing protestants as president who are usually ineffective, immoral and mistake prone has brought our nation to the edge of the cliff with a $14.3 trillion debts, a yearly $1.5 trillion deficit with nothing to show for all the wild spending except wars and huge salaries and contracts for those attending the big spending orgy party financed by China, Japan and the taxpayers.

Posted by: mascmen7 | February 1, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse


A Mormon like Harry Reid, you mean.

Hilarious Wapo hacks

Posted by: screwjob23 | February 1, 2011 1:51 PM | Report abuse

No choice between Mormon President and Gay President because no choice between Good and Evil. The last is like suicidal.

Posted by: mishingk | February 1, 2011 1:53 PM | Report abuse

The only question the GOP needs to ask in 2012 is: Can a Republican win?

Posted by: htimothyjones1 | February 1, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

In the general election yes. Being nominated by the Democrats yes. I'll believe it when I see a Mormon get through the Republican nominating process. It may be mathematically possible. There are plenty of states whose Republican primary would vote for a Mormon. But there are also plenty where the evangelical Christians vote in high enough numbers to deny the primary to a Mormon. Because a die-hard Christian can forgive nearly anything, but not apostasy.

The math, on how to achieve a Republican nomination, would be fun if you had the spare time. The real question for a Republican Mormon in the general election comes down to swing states. Karl Rove claims 4 million votes sat at home instead of going to the polls in the 2000 election because of W's DUIs, and that was the reason Florida was so critical (that and Gore picking Lieberman over Graham.) By 2004 they'd forgiven him. Assuming Rove knows a little bit about the Christian Republican voter, how do you squeak by in Ohio or Florida or wherever if you are having 5% of your base sitting at home? A Democrat would never have a chance with those voters anyway, much less a Democratic Mormon. So while 80% may not care about a candidate's religion, that is not important. What is important is the margin of victory in the close states that swing the election. The voters in CA, TX and NY determine the battlefield. The voters in MO and OH determine the President. And that's where the critical 22% live.

Posted by: caribis | February 1, 2011 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Lol! I thought we were talking politics, and out come the people with sixth grade mentalities, regurgitating the anti Mormon hatred! Are you serious? I thought you had to be 18 to vote. ;-). When there's nothing more to hurl, just accuse people of lying!

Posted by: lkidler | February 1, 2011 2:21 PM | Report abuse

The difference between a cult and a religion is that: a) religions have open dogma to which any person can access whereas cults have layered dogma introduced in increments according to how trusted the initiate; b) religions do not have secret rituals, cults do; c) religions do not use calculated deception and manipulation to recruit, isolate and keep the faithful, cults do; d) religions do not tell you to renounce your family and friends if they are not among the faithful or refuse to convert, cults do; religions do not have a concept of "Heavenly Deception" (lying to infidels and apostates is ok as it is in the service of God) whereas cults do.

Further, how about that in any case of a person running for office who is from any group or cult (Mormons, Skull and Bones, Masons etc) that takes an oath of total secrecy and to fidelity to the organization that is taken to trump fidelity to any other organization and/or takes an oath taken to trump any and all other oaths taken (such as the oath to serve, protect and defend the Constitution of the U.S.) is declared ineligible for security clearances or indeed running for political office.?

Posted by: jcraven | February 1, 2011 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Take the second "m" out of Mormon! Then not only can one win, but can win two terms!

Posted by: kishorgala | February 1, 2011 2:39 PM | Report abuse

jcraven - While I believe almost 100% of your paranoid rantings are nonsense, if you believe Mormons can't be trusted to "serve, protect and defend the constitution" I suggest you have a conversation with an FBI agent or a Secret Service agent; find out how they feel about the Mormons. I guarentee their perception will be diametrically opposed to yours.

Posted by: johnhouse | February 1, 2011 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@pupster wrote: "less to do with him being Mormon than with him being a huge phony."

Mormon and phony are total synonyms. The LDS even have a theology that justifies dishonesty; it's called "lying for the Lord." Mormons are taught it's ok to say anything to 'gentiles' if it pleases the Prophet and furthers the Principle.

Mormonism is a dangerous tithe-cult of male privilege, fraud and mendacity. There is no way I would ever vote for an active Mormon, ever, never, Republican or Democrat.

Posted by: cambridge-persisitence | February 1, 2011 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Those who bash on a religion for teaching principles that are just and right are nothing but destroyers of faith. Why take down religions instead of building on your own faith. There is only one reason for this: you are insecure with your own beliefs. It's like the bully in the school yard that has false facts, but spews them out of his uncontrollable mouth. If you are here to disprove a religion, there are far more things in other religions to disprove, but as far as the LDS church goes, how can you dispute the fact of revelation? And everyone knows that Columbus saw horses, if you don't believe me, do a little more research next time. All evidence against this great faith is based on non-factual garbage.

Posted by: commonsense551 | February 1, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

How entertaining the indignation and outrage of the RepuBPlicans when someone feigns religion bashing against one of their own while they drool over Angle calling Harry Reid's religion (the same one as Bishop Romney, Elder Beck and Huntsman's) a "cult" and use the same slimy propaganda to call Obama a Muslim or bash him over Reverend Wright.

You can dish it out but you can't take it.

Reid, Romney and Huntsman are all probably good guys and all could serve as President. It's just when someone turns the tables on you intolerant, hateful, narrow-minded Huckabees, you go berserk in your self-righteous outrage.

Thanks for being so amusing here and revealing yourselves for the hypocrites you are. May you nominate Palin and loose again in 2012.

Posted by: areyousaying | February 1, 2011 3:09 PM | Report abuse

I see some posters still can't quite get it through their thick heads why Obama got elected. Faux has your heads all messed up it was "POLICIES AND CORRUPTION OF THE BUSH ADM." LOL

Posted by: SWAMPYPD | February 1, 2011 3:20 PM | Report abuse

I could never vote for a Mormon as president. But that's because I grew up as a non-Mormon in Utah.

Posted by: J_K_B | February 1, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

THE QUESTION:CAN A MORMAN BECOME PRESIDENT?

WELL, HERE'S SOMETHING FOR THE AMERICAN PEOPLE TO PONDER....

CAN AN UNKNOWN FROM CHICAGO WHO HAS BEEN A SENATOR FOR LESS THAN TWO YEARS AND VOTED
'PRESENT' MORE OFTEN THAN NOT....BECOME PRESIDENT?

WHO WAS CATIPULTED INTO THE LIMELIGHT BY THE QUESTIONABLE CHICAGO MACHINE WITH A HISTORY OF QUESTIONABLE VOTING PRACTICES..

WHOSE ONLY QUALIFICATIONS FOR THE JOB WAS THAT HE WENT TO COLLEGE, AND WAS A
NEIGHBORHOOD ORGANIZER...

WHOSE COLLEGE INFORMATION HAS BEEN CURIOUSLY CLOSED TO THE PUBLIC...

WHOSE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, TO PROVE CITIZENSHIP, HAS NEVER BEEN SEEN,
...OR FORTHCOMING...OR...QUESTIONED BY THE MEDIA WHO NEVER SAW IT NECESSARY, FOR THIS ONE CANDIDATE, TO BE VETTED.....

WHOSE ADULT CONTACTS AND FRIENDSHIPS HAVE BEEN WITH QUESTIONABLE CHARACTERS AND WHOSE HISTORYS' HAVE BEEN NOTED TO BE ANTI-AMERICAN, SOCIALIST, MARXIST, AND PROGRESSIVE REVOLUTIONARYS; WHO HATE CAPITALISM AND THE AMERICAN CONSTITUTION...

WHO WAS ELECTED ANYHOW, BY THE AMERICAN PEOPLE WHO BELIEVED AND BOUGHT INTO ALL THE RHETORICAL PROSE OF "CHANGE", AND WHOSE MAIN CAMPAIGN PROMISE WAS 'TO BRING THIS COUNTRY TOGETHER'; SAYING "WE ARE NOT
WHITE AMERICA OR BLACK AMERICA! WE ARE NOT RED STATES OR BLUE STATES!...
'WE ARE AMERICA...AND AMERICANS ALL!!!'...

THIS SAME MAN WHO IS NOW THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, AND HAS NOW
BEEN IN OFFICE FOR OVER TWO YEARS, HAS CONTINUOUSLY GOVERNED AGAINST!!!
THE WISHES OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE!!! PUSHING FOR, AND PASSING LEGISLATION WHICH
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE DID NOT APPROVE OF.... AND TOLD HIM SO! ONLY TO BE IGNORED.

CONCLUSION AND IN ANSWER TO THE QUESTIION:

IF THE MAN I JUST DESCRIBED COULD, AND DID! BECOME PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. THEN, SURELY...
A MORMAN CERTAINLY CAN!!!

ALONG WITH THE NECESSARY QUALIFICATIONS OF:

BEING AN AMERICAN CITIZEN, WHO LOVES THIS COUNTRY AND ITS PEOPLE, AND WILL ADHERE TO, AND BE GOVERNED BY...THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.

Posted by: mtortoriello | February 1, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: MrChip1 | February 1, 2011 10:31 AM
Wouldn't it be odd to have a president who believes 95% of his countrymen will rot in hell for all eternity?
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Your statement is in total contradiction to LDS beleif.


LDS teach the following.....
7 Thus came the voice of the Lord unto me, saying: All who have died without a knowledge of this gospel, who would have received it if they had been permitted to tarry, shall be heirs of the celestial kingdom of God;
8 Also all that shall die henceforth without a knowledge of it, who would have received it with all their hearts, shall be heirs of that kingdom;
9 For I, the Lord, will judge all men according to their works, according to the desire of their hearts.


LDS perform proxy baptisms for the dead in their temples so folks don't have to go to hell as you so falsely claim.

Posted by: LDSareChristian | February 1, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

mtortiello - You see, when you make a comment like that (all caps, really?) IN FAVOR of the Mormons, people might think you are one of them. But believe me, Mormons would NEVER be so hostile nor spout such nonsense as you've just spouted. You see most Mormons aren't paranoid and delusional. They're rational people. Now admit it, you're just using this as an excuse to spout off.

Posted by: johnhouse | February 1, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

mtortiello - You see, when you make a comment like that (all caps, really?) IN FAVOR of the Mormons, people might think you are one of them. But believe me, Mormons would NEVER be so hostile nor spout such nonsense as you've just spouted. You see most Mormons aren't paranoid and delusional. They're rational people. Now admit it, you're just using this as an excuse to spout off.

Posted by: johnhouse | February 1, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

To all the detractors of the Mormon faith: Please go to www.mormon.org to find out for yourselves what Mormons truly believe. There is inherent danger in believing those who feel compelled to passionately spew forth their "knowledge" about any subject, religion or otherwise, particularly when their proclmations are adversarial.

Posted by: ljbjornstad | February 1, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

To all the detractors of the Mormon faith: Please go to www.mormon.org to find out for yourselves what Mormons truly believe. There is inherent danger in believing those who feel compelled to passionately spew forth their "knowledge" about any subject, religion or otherwise, particularly when their proclmations are adversarial.

Posted by: ljbjornstad | February 1, 2011 7:31 PM | Report abuse

Just want to make a point re. discrimination. The thoughts are that the US has advanced beyond such bigotries in that we've had a Catholic President, several Cathlic nominees for POTOS or VP, we have an African-American President, a Jewish VP nominee - and therefore, the nation is willing to vote for a Mormon President. It seems some on the left as well as right feel this way.

But we've gone backwards in one respect: 100 years ago, the President, a sort-of conservative Republican (but nowhere near as conservative as today's GOP) was William Howard Taft. Anyone know what religion Taft was? A Unitarian!

Now Adams and Jefferson were also Deists but that was a different era when voting was more limited and restricted. Taft's era was closer to our own (with the noticable exception that women couldn't vote nor could of course most African-Americans) in that issues of concentrated wealth and sharing the prosperity with the working class, middle class, and other reforms were underway. His religion was used against him (in the South particularly, no surprise)prompting TR to make an impassioned defense of Taft and the principle of religions freedom.

The point is that today, a Unitarian would have less of a chance being elected POTUS than a Mormon or any of the other minorities. Of course getting the GOP nomination is out of the question. A Democrat Unitarian would lose the Solid South, traditional battleground states like Missouri & Wisconsin and even states with enough conservative Catholic voters who would follow their bishops' leads to oppose him/her (and make no mistake, the Catholic Church would in no way tolerate a Unitarian President).

Posted by: Cookerhiker1 | February 1, 2011 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I could never vote for a Mormon as president. But that's because I grew up as a non-Mormon in Utah.

Posted by: J_K_B
-------------------------------

Me, too. If you spent the first 20 years of your life putting up with their bullying intolerance and ethnocentrism, it's hard to be objective. Mormons outside of Utah tend to be more tolerant.

Posted by: areyousaying | February 1, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

Can a Mormon be president? Yes, but she'll probably be a Democrat. As we can see by these posts the far right is out of control.

Posted by: rustymcneal | February 2, 2011 4:48 AM | Report abuse


Can a Mormon be Senate majority leader?

Posted by: edbyronadams | February 2, 2011 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Yes a Mormon can be President. But not sure you folks will enjoy the fact that the LDS church believes that their "priesthood will save America when it gets to where the US Constitution is hanging by a thread"...why put a person in charge of our country that would be in a position to ensure that "hanging by a thread" happens? Also, if the prophet speaks Mitt (or any other Mormon) will obey. These folks are not Catholics by any stretch of the imagination, so there should be no comparisons between Mitt or JFK...

Posted by: Sherry91 | February 2, 2011 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Romney's Mormonism is not that big of deal. His paternity to Obamacare lite aka Romneycare in MA makes it impossible for him to win the GOP nomination. It is not just Romneycare's similarity to its big brother, Obamacare, more importantly is is the fact that the MA health plan is a giant dud that has caused health care costs in MA to skyrocket. Dems who use Romney's plan as a defense to GOP plans to repeal it, do so at their own peril. Romneycares implosion really fortels what will happen to the whole country if Obamacare is implemented.

Posted by: jkk1943 | February 2, 2011 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Romney's Mormonism is not that big of deal. His paternity to Obamacare lite aka Romneycare in MA makes it impossible for him to win the GOP nomination. It is not just Romneycare's similarity to its big brother, Obamacare, more importantly is is the fact that the MA health plan is a giant dud that has caused health care costs in MA to skyrocket. Dems who use Romney's plan as a defense to GOP plans to repeal it, do so at their own peril. Romneycares implosion really fortels what will happen to the whole country if Obamacare is implemented.

Posted by: jkk1943 | February 2, 2011 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Be interesting to see if the magic underwear will work to bring us all to one American religion.

Posted by: WmLaney | February 2, 2011 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Can a Mormon win? Not after the MSM gets done distorting the Mormon faith.

Posted by: waterfrontproperty | February 7, 2011 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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