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Posted at 10:51 AM ET, 12/ 9/2010

DREAM Act goes to a vote; the Web watches

By Katie Rogers
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Thomas Lucero, a student in San Diego's north county, holds a candle on a freeway overpass where students held a candlelight vigil in support of the Dream Act on Monday in Carlsbad, Calif. (AP Photo/Lenny Ignelzi)

The DREAM Act passed the House by a vote of 216 to 198 Wednesday night, but advocates for the measure are unsure that Senate members will gather the 60 votes needed to push the bill through to further Senate procedures later today. Update: the Senate canceled voting on the measure, which means the DREAM Act could be dead for the year.

(Need a refresher? The DREAM Act would grant legalized status to undocumented immigrants who were brought to the U.S. by their parents and have attended two years of college or signed up for the military.)

Whatever happens, emboldened, undocumented students will be watching as the news unfolds. More upfront about their illegal statuses both on the Web and in person, this core of DREAM Act supporters are among those tweeting about the bill's progress.

But those in opposition are also taking to the Web, including House members who voted against the bill:


I voted against the DREAM Act. Amnesty is not the answer. http://tinyurl.com/3af64lg #tcot #GOPless than a minute ago via web

I voted against the DREAM Act (which passed the House last night). It offered amnesty with no border security.less than a minute ago via web

We'll be watching as news comes in, but in the meantime, we want to hear from you.

Your Take: Why do you support passage -- or failure -- of the DREAM Act? Use #DREAMAct to respond on Twitter.

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We need to remove and not create any rewards and incentives for immigrants to come here and be here illegally.

Immigrants that are here illegally should not have the ability to become United States Citizens prior to those outside the U.S. applying to come legally.

We do need to treat all, even those breaking our laws, as human beings. There should be incentives for those that are already here illegally to register with the U.S. Government for a short term work visa if done in conjunction with a sponsoring legal business and State. Those short term work visas should not be a step toward citizenship.

Citizenship, if desired and qualified for, must be applied for with the application from their country of origin, (unless qualifying for asylum) and behind those that have been waiting legally there. 

Posted by: Utah1 | December 9, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

Comparing Immigration to a movie theater

Do you remember when you had to wait in line to buy tickets to a movie, and then wait in line before going in? That was before you could order them at home, and know then where your seat was and what time to show up to the theater. If you showed up at the theater and the show was full, you could buy a ticket to a later show.

Why do we make immigration more complicated?

You can't let everyone show up for the same show or there would be no place to sit, and you do need some reasonable security and rules.

If we are going to have a line for people to come to this country, you can't reward those that bypass the line. They need to be sent to the back of the line. That doesn't mean you should stop treating them like people.

Posted by: Utah1 | December 9, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

"Road to citizenship under DREAM Act: 2 years of college."

Yes, and I suspect that a mail-order associate's degree in Anti-American Studies from the University of Aztlan is probably adequate.

More likely, NO college will be required, and the applicant will be able to qualify even if they themselves came to the US illegally on their own, since the bill lacks any mechanism to identify and reject fradulent applications. (remember the mantra "count every vote, whether legal or fraudulent".)

Posted by: bot_feeder | December 9, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

Unlike where your parents came from our country is a country of laws. They got away with it for too many years and should not be rewarded. Get out now and go to the back of the line!

Posted by: IamWright | December 9, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

People have this all wrong! It's not about giving adults that came here willing amnesty, it's about giving the children and adults that came here unwilling. They have no control of coming to the United States and now they have to pay for there parents mistake. We consider this our country it is all we know and what we grew up knowing. In our hearts we are Americans.

Posted by: Y03dancediva | December 9, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

This law will allow our young youth to achieve the american dream EDUCATION, THEY CAME TO THIS COUNTRY WHEN THEY WERE CHILDREN, WE SHOULD NOT PUNISH THEM. PLEASE TALK TO YOUR SENATORS, THIS LAW IS A WINNIG SITUATION FOR ALL PARTIES, THIS PEOPLE ARE GOING TO BE PROFESIONALS WHO WILL CONTRIBUTE TO THIS GREAT NATION.

Posted by: Tomasa | December 9, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Send all the illegals back where they came from. The american people are tired of supporting them and don't want them here. All those who came here legally are welcome. Who are these illegals to make "Demands" on the American people. Go back home and fight your country which is in trouble. This law will not pass the Senate. Anyone voting for it will not get voted in 2012.

Posted by: bailey50 | December 9, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

It failed 59-40. Bennett said he would vote for it but no other GOP member claimed they would. There were about 6 or 7 Dems opposed.

So a several Republicans must have voted for it. I wonder who they are they need to primaried.

Posted by: cleancut77 | December 9, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

The Dream Act is not about removing or a movie theatre... Its actually about people. Poeple who have been in the United States for more than just a few years. Its about young people who have been here all their life. Its not about someone who just crossed the boarder and wants to get citizenship.
Maybe I have no legal right to call myself an American but if this is all I have known then why should I consider myself any different? I was brought here when I was three and I grew up here. I mean I guess I could have realized at that time that it was not right to be here illegaly; if I actually knew right from wrong. I guess its my fault to that I didn't emancipat from my parents at age 16 and moved back to "my country" without even knowing my way or knowing anyone else. I went to school here, I was taught the american way just like everyone else who was in my class. I have been the one also waiting in line for the show, a show where it only interests poeple like me. This "show" isn't for those who happen to come in to this country and have no education in this country. Why would it even interests them when they don't have the qualifications? Surely you couldn't just say you been here for so many years. Its common sense. I think I can point out the difference between someone who has been here for just a year versus someone who has been here all their life. I don't know if it would be like a "reward" for me if this act were to pass. But I know it will make me feel like an actual American even though I strongly represent myself as an American already.

Posted by: rlopezmedina315 | December 9, 2010 12:08 PM | Report abuse

There is a young women I know who was brought into the United States by her parents when she was 5 years old. Her parents are illegals and so is she. She went through our school system and graduted High School. She wants to join the United States military and become a Police officer. She has never even been to Mexico. She works under the table, she has no benifits no social security. How is she going to break the cycle. Really if your against the Dream Act then you must be a native American. Think about it. The DREAM Act is NOT Amnesty. earned legalization

Posted by: lforrand | December 9, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

It seems to me that these students are exactly the kind of people we would WANT to have as citizens!

Posted by: jim-herb-williams | December 9, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

rlopezmedina315 wrote: The Dream Act is not about removing or a movie theatre... Its actually about people. Poeple who have been in the United States for more than just a few years. Its about young people who have been here all their life. Its not about someone who just crossed the boarder and wants to get citizenship.
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Small omission here- they aren't entitled to be here. The sense of entitlement coming from Hispanics angers Americans. It's time for them all to go home and devote their energy to making their home countries a better place. If they wish to become Americans they can apply and do it the proper way by our laws. We don't allow criminals to make demands. Obviously enough of our politicians didn't learn from 2010 so we are going to show them the error of their ways come 2012.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | December 9, 2010 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Are you people serious right now? Before you post your comments please keep others in mind before your quick to judge. I am guessing that the people who don't support this bill can't relate to it therefore you automatically think negatively about it. This bill is not to "award" illegal immigrants by any means it is to simply help the youth achieve their higher education. Many of these youth were brought to this country by their PARENTS and had no say or in some cases no idea of their status. Who are you to tell them that they should return to a country that they never really knew; this IS their country. Just do your research on the bill people! If it does get passed, the youth who are eligible have to have good records in school and in their communities. Therefore, the students who would benefit from the Dream Act are high achievers, who want nothing but success in their future. Next time you judge an undocumented youth, just stop and put yourself in their shoes. What would you do if you were told that you must leave the country that raised you and told that you are at fault for wanting a better life? Just think about it.

Posted by: believe_07 | December 9, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

Are you people serious right now? Before you post your comments please keep others in mind before you're quick to judge. I am guessing that the people who don't support this bill can't relate to it therefore you automatically think negatively about it. This bill is not to "award" illegal immigrants by any means it is to simply help the youth achieve their higher education. Many of these youth were brought to this country by their PARENTS and had no say or in some cases no idea of their status. Who are you to tell them that they should return to a country that they never really knew; this IS their country. Just do your research on the bill people! If it does get passed, the youth who are eligible have to have good records in school and in their communities. Therefore, the students who would benefit from the Dream Act are high achievers, who want nothing but success in their future. Next time you judge an undocumented youth, just stop and put yourself in their shoes. What would you do if you were told that you must leave the country that raised you and told that you are at fault for wanting a better life? Just think about it.

Posted by: believe_07 | December 9, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

If you want to enlist in the military and fight for the country why the hell would I oppose citizenship for them?

Posted by: evan1975 | December 9, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Just noted it has been canceled. Passing the DREAM Act would change America, and passing by a lame-duck Congress would change America by a vote lacking legitimacy.

Posted by: hipshot | December 9, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

To Utah1 You have no idea what your talking about!!! Immigrants or not we are all HUMAN BEINGS!!! What the hell you talking about!!! Everyone that come here as a little kid had no choice but to come!!! They are much American like you!!! Just cause they don't have a SS# doesn't mean your better!!! Hispanic are the most hard workers here!!! I hope the DREAM ACT DOES GET PASSED IT WILL HELP TONS OF STUDENT THAT ARE JUST HERE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING LIKE YOU!!! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE FEELING OF BEING AN IMMIGRANT SO YOU HAVE NO REASON TO SAY THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS!!! PLEASE KEEP RUDE COMMENTS TO YOUR SELF!!!

Posted by: Bere10 | December 9, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Nothing but back door amnesty I hope it fails.

Posted by: Pilot1 | December 9, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

"It seems to me that these students are exactly the kind of people we would WANT to have as citizens!"

Right people who believe the rule of law is for others not them.

Posted by: Pilot1 | December 9, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

No

To even bring this up in the worst economy since the great depression is sheer lunacy.

WE NEED TO PUT OUR OWN CITIZENS TO WORK BEFORE WE ADD MILLIONS MORE.

And how is this funded because i truly cant take another tax hike right now.

Posted by: PennyWisetheClown | December 9, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Bere10 wrote: To Utah1 You have no idea what your talking about!!! Immigrants or not we are all HUMAN BEINGS!!! What the hell you talking about!!! Everyone that come here as a little kid had no choice but to come!!! They are much American like you!!! Just cause they don't have a SS# doesn't mean your better!!! Hispanic are the most hard workers here!!! I hope the DREAM ACT DOES GET PASSED IT WILL HELP TONS OF STUDENT THAT ARE JUST HERE TRYING TO MAKE A LIVING LIKE YOU!!! YOU WILL NEVER KNOW THE FEELING OF BEING AN IMMIGRANT SO YOU HAVE NO REASON TO SAY THEY ARE NOT HUMAN BEINGS!!! PLEASE KEEP RUDE COMMENTS TO YOUR SELF!!!
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Your sense of entitlement is one of the factors that angers Americans most. We don't bargain with criminals. Take your complaints up with your parents who put you in legal limbo. Go home and work to make your own home countries better. If you wish to become a US citizen apply from your home country and come in through the front door. We will welcome you at that point. America will continue to punish politicians foolish enough to play these games. Right now we are going to turn our energy and financial resources to rebuilding our country and putting our own citizens to work.

Posted by: Desertdiva1 | December 9, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

These children do not deserve special treatment. They shouldn't be in our school system at all. As you can see the illegal invading army continues to milk the cash cow, your tax dollars. Their parents take Americans jobs and their kids are supported by your tax dollars. While we have legal U.S. children living in poverty and struggling to afford college so they can get a $30k a year job, my kids are.

Yes they take the jobs that we want to do. Been to a construction site lately? Or some fast food joints like McDonalds? Those are jobs Americans WILL do but corporations/contractors are hiring criminals instead.

They "ALL" must be deported. Their actions are slowly turning the U.S. into a third world nation.

Bleeding hearts move to Mexico and help them get their cesspool of a country straight and stop demanding rights for them here.

Posted by: howduyudo | December 9, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

They should call it the DREAM ON Act.

Posted by: forgetthis | December 9, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Its a great way to guarantee that tens of thousands of illegals get and education, a liberal education. One that says 'Hey amigo, remember who brought you to the fiesta'. The Democratic party!

Posted by: DirtyErnie | December 9, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Liberals love sympathy votes. The fact that this was being brought up now, in the last hours of a lame duck, only goes to show that it’s not really all that important to the dems. They’ll wail about it being “for the children” for the next week, then we’ll be back to the drawing board on amnesty. Reid is just a grandstander looking to appease his left-wing base for the cameras.

Posted by: reaganslist | December 9, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Liberals love sympathy votes. The fact that this was being brought up now, in the last hours of a lame duck, only goes to show that it’s not really all that important to the dems. They’ll wail about it being “for the children” for the next week, then we’ll be back to the drawing board on amnesty. Reid is just a grandstander looking to appease his left-wing base for the cameras.

Posted by: reaganslist | December 9, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The 'dream Act" phrase goes into that same tired old category that the 'change you can believe in' lies in....86 all of it. Voters and citizens are way past BHO and Dreaming. We in this country have REAL problems and illegals are more of a problem than it is worth.

Posted by: crowne2 | December 9, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

The 'dream Act" phrase goes into that same tired old category that the 'change you can believe in' lies in....86 all of it. Voters and citizens are way past BHO and Dreaming. We in this country have REAL problems and illegals are more of a problem than it is worth.

Posted by: crowne2 | December 9, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

The Dream Act deserved to die. Regardless of how sympathetic we might feel towards the illegal aliens who have grown up here, the bill was a very flawed document that would be a gateway for a huge number of illegals to gain at least temporary legal status. If implemented it, like IRCA, would have been rife with fraudulent applications leading to a bureaucratic nightmare. But the real issue is that creating this defacto amnesty would create a huge incentive for others to come here illegally and bring their children here illegally. Policies should be enacted which encourage desirable behavior and discourage undesirable behavior. Unfortunately, in most policy decisions someone, often the innocent, will have to pay the price. In the case of the Dream Act, if it passed legal residents and citizens would be the innocent victims when they have to provide education and benefits to the illegal alien students who should never have been given a spot at a university over someone who has the legal right to reside and study here. The other victims would be all of the people around the world doing the right thing by applying to come here legally and who won't be able to come when "legalized" illegals fill their country's quota. (Yes, legalized aliens take up positions under the quota system.) If it doesn't pass, then the "innocent" illegal aliens brought here by their parents would suffer. The difference is that by passing the bill, more and more illegals would bring their children here illegally causing further burdens on the taxpayers and law enforcement. By not passing the bill we send a clear message that crime does not pay in this instance and that those who follow the rules and go through the legal process for coming to this country are the ones who should receive the benefits first. The American Dream is about living under a system of laws which provides opportunity to flourish by setting up a stable, predictable system based on laws that protects people and their property. Allowing illegal immigration to continue as it has and rewarding criminal behavior undermines our system and makes the American Dream all the more difficult to attain.

Posted by: rentianxiang | December 9, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Immigration always breaks up families.

A century ago legal immigrants to the US left family in Eurpope, China, Japan and other areas. My grandparents left several children behind they never saw again.

Illegals all left families in Mexico and other countries. Deportation will reunite these families.

If illegals want to go to school, Mexico and other countries have schools. They don't need to be in the US to go to school. American shool budgets are overburdened by illegals.

Posted by: jfv123 | December 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Send all the illegals back where they came from. The american people are tired of supporting them and don't want them here. All those who came here legally are welcome. Who are these illegals to make "Demands" on the American people. Go back home and fight your country which is in trouble. This law will not pass the Senate. Anyone voting for it will not get voted in 2012.

Posted by: bailey50 | December 9, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Tomasa , I agree with you. when I was a child my parents robbed a bank and stole $500,000 dollars! Now the government wants it back. It was through no fault of my own that I ended up with all of this money. Please write your congressman or go on a hunger strike to convince them to let me keep this money, Thanks for all of your support.

Posted by: ronk1957 | December 9, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

While I understand and agree with the many issues and concerns mentioned, we're talking about people who are here now, were brought here as children, and have grown up or are growing up as Americans.

Since when is it an American value to hold children responsible for the crimes of their parents?

Posted by: cymwyd | December 9, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

The Demos ara manipulating the process in the Senate. We must not allow this. Americans do not want the Dream Act. So Reid and his friends must stop this madness. And somebody should tell Reid and Pelossi to stop manipulating the process in the Senate. And that here what matters is the will of Americans. We do not care what Pelosi or Reid think about the Dream Act. Americans run the show. Pelosi and Reid do not.

Posted by: post2009 | December 9, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

The current debates on American immigration policy, whether the subject be whether we need to import huge numbers of high tech labor or give amnesty to the approximately 11 plus million illegals living in the US, all have special interest defenders. In aggregate, America’s current non thought out policy equals perpetual piecemeal permissions on immigration that amounts to an “open border” for almost all who wish to come here.

Unfortunately, no one seems to be defending the majority, the constant 65% of all Americans who say we have too much immigration. As the late California demographer Meredith Burke once opined, “If we are going to allow present policy to double America’s population in this century, shouldn’t we at least have a national debate about it?” Indeed we should.

I hope the Senate can stand tall against the Dream Act.

Posted by: dcoll28416 | December 9, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I think the Dream Act is short-sighted and self-serving. If the USA is to continue to be a world leader we need to think big picture. It is very generous for America to educate and nurture these students in a peaceful environment, and it makes sense to send these well-educated illegal immigrants back to their country of origin where they can make the biggest impact and perhaps a great contribution. America has an opportunity here to make a decision to share the wealth of education to the world. These student are in a position to share their knowledge and spread it throughout the world. We ALL need to be thinking big picture for the future - and not continuing to live in a bubble - we are all citizens of the world and our goal should be to make it a better place. Yes, it would be the most comfortable route to allow them to stay here, but the price of liberty and freedom is not easy. If they strongly want to come back to live in the USA they may apply through the proper immigration channels. However, they may be surprised to find that the value that they have in their homeland is so great, and they may find it so rewarding, that they may want to stay to help make a difference in the world.

Posted by: medwordsmith | December 9, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

With 10% UNEMPLOYMENT and 17% UNDER-employed, why the hurry to add anywhere from 800,000 to 2 million people or more,
to Compete for Less Jobs than ever?
Why????

Posted by: ohioan | December 9, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

First an for most, I am Native American, with french an english heritage. I am a veteran. I resent the Government taking my social sercurities I paid into for the last 35 years of my life. They brazonly gave it to the mexicans as welfare. Then tell my I can't retire but they can. It don't work that way Gongress. You all are gonna be fired an kicked out of office. You won't take care of our own people yet give everything to illegals. You Government are asking for the fight of your lifes if you don't stop the madness. I will not allow the Government to take my earnings as theirs. Thats where the damn buck stops!

Posted by: JWTX | December 9, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

post2009
"The Demos ara manipulating the process in the Senate. We must not allow this. post2009:
Americans do not want the Dream Act. So Reid and his friends must stop this madness."

Polls show most Americans are in favor of it. So please try again.

Posted by: presto668 | December 9, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

They were brught here as children and the U.S. is the only country they know. Their roots are here.

To try to to "send them back" is both foolish and cruel.

Posted by: veerle1 | December 9, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

If my kids, who have parents who have paid taxes since they were 16, and grandparents who came through Ellis Island AND assimilated AND paid taxes get their choice of 4 year college for free-then fine go Dream Act. If not, sorry, first invested and assimilated first served. I don't hear the gratitude from ANY illegals kids about how much they have gotten for free from the citizens of this nation. EVER. Tell you what, all the kids of illegals of any nation-here's a test task: Add up the money per year that has been spent on you by the Tax paying citizens of the US and pay one half of it back. Yeah, research cost per student in your school district times the years you were educated, add the cost of the meals you received for free each year, and the cost of the schools that had to be built because of overcrowding because we as Americans felt you should have the opportunity your parent country didn't think it owed you. Stop waving another country's flag in our face over the US flag. Stop hyphenating your country's allegiance (for example Mexican American). Stop pulling the race card "latino-american" or just latino. Then maybe we can talk. Don't try to play the victim and then turn around and try to jack us for what you think you deserve from us. Oh, and hey, I said pay even half back cause we still haven't heard "thankyou."

Posted by: stopthemadness | December 9, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.

However we American citizens do get one thing out of it... the bill. Yup the democrats want the American taxpayer to subsidize their education while cheating our American kids.

The Nightmare Act has no cap, no end-date and no enforcement. It's simply a "mass ongoing amnesty". In the future any foreign family with a school age child can sneak in the country and enroll their child in school to obtain automatic citizenship.

Why do democrats hate American kids so much???

Posted by: fury60 | December 9, 2010 4:16 PM | Report abuse

It's a shame this issue has become so political. As a life long Republican I'm saddened to see how extreme the GOP is becoming. I can understand differences of opinion on immigration. But I don't understand the vitriol. The Dream Act makes sense and it's the right thing to do.

Posted by: SoCalChris | December 9, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Travel to Mexico is good for children.
I brought my daughter to Mexico.
She learned a lot there.
Of course, I entered and left Mexico with my daughter in full compliance with Mexican law.
Time for illegal children to enjoy all that Mexico has to offer and stop violating US law.
Don't forget to turn off the lights when you go home to Mexico.
Wouln't want you to run up a big utility bill.

Posted by: jfv123 | December 9, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I won't name names of the commentator, but I wanted to address the note they wrote in this blog space about the issue of the Dream Act becoming vitriol: HOW is the Washington Post blog vitriol? This is what is called free speech - one of our greatest American rights. Big government hasn't taken that away and let's hope that never happens. Otherwise, America will be exactly the same as the countries that these students' hailed from and apparently are not willing to return to. They have a choice to use their knowledge to help build a better life for the under-privileged in their homeland but that idea may not have crossed their minds. I find that very disappointing. And to me it rings of selfishness, something we have promoted in our young people for far too long. I have spent many years donating my professional services, as many as 30 hours a week to help support the community I live in and I know what can be done by pitching in. Someone on this blog asked how would we like it if we were asked to leave a country that we lived in - well, I have lived abroad and wanted to stay but couldn't get a Working Visa so I had to leave. I left, instead of staying and working illegally. That was a hard decision but I stand on my strength of character not by hiding the truth.

Posted by: medwordsmith | December 9, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Its funny how some people like to call us "criminals" to try to dehumanize us. To Desertdiva1, I understand your "anger" and I also understand why Native Indians would be mad to. Anger is brought apon us due to lack of understandment or education. "Home" is the United States of America for me, now "Origin" is the word you probably want to use if you want to send us back. Two different words here. Take some sociology and ethnic studies classes, seriously because you might learn a few helpful facts or more. It seems like you need the Dream Act to fail more than I need it to pass because you obviously don't know how to research and have no idea how to use your words correctly. If this Act does go through it will be the right way for people like me to obtain legal status and go to school in this country because it would be an Act approved by the House. But if you disagree and think I am just taking "your" seat in a college room(because this is what this whole thing is about)well then I hope this Act doesn't pass, because I would rather you get BETTER education than me getting any education at all. I am sorry "anger" seems to be the only thing you've known due to the fact you keep bringing it up. I hope you can cope with your anger and stop using the word criminals to dehumanize us. Now I normally don't explode on people like this but it made me sad to read the words you wrote, not because you are against the Dream Act but because of the lack of education you have. You seem to be worried more about breaking laws and sending criminals back "home". You don't seem to value education as much as I do.

Posted by: rlopezmedina315 | December 9, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Dream on about the Dream Act passing, as senators have awaken to the basic fraud of this bill, which would legalize criminal acts. Of course that includes crossing the border illegally.
According to a GOP memo, immigrants would qualify for Dream Act admission even if they were convicted of the crimes of assault, domestic violence, sexual abuse, reckless driving and bank fraud. Anyone with these records wouldn't make it into the military and surely the United States does not need more people who have been convicted of sexual abuse or check frauds.
These are very serious crimes, and even supporters of the Dream Act saw the dangers in allowing convicted criminals into the country. So the bill was withdraw for redrafting -- usually a signal that the legislation is dead.

"Talk about misplaced priorities. In the middle of a deep recession, with taxes about to increase, Democrat leaders in Washington are asking Americans to pick up the tab for a proposal that would offer amnesty to millions -- including those with criminal records," Stephen Miller, a spokesman for Judiciary Committee Republicans, told FoxNews.com in a statement.

Posted by: edwardallen54 | December 9, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Dream on about the Dream Act passing, as senators have awaken to the basic fraud of this bill, which would legalize criminal acts. Of course that includes crossing the border illegally.
According to a GOP memo, immigrants would qualify for Dream Act admission even if they were convicted of the crimes of assault, domestic violence, sexual abuse, reckless driving and bank fraud. Anyone with these records wouldn't make it into the military and surely the United States does not need more people who have been convicted of sexual abuse or check frauds.
These are very serious crimes, and even supporters of the Dream Act saw the dangers in allowing convicted criminals into the country. So the bill was withdraw for redrafting -- usually a signal that the legislation is dead.

"Talk about misplaced priorities. In the middle of a deep recession, with taxes about to increase, Democrat leaders in Washington are asking Americans to pick up the tab for a proposal that would offer amnesty to millions -- including those with criminal records," Stephen Miller, a spokesman for Judiciary Committee Republicans, told FoxNews.com in a statement.

Posted by: edwardallen54 | December 9, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

The DREAM Act is a common sense solution to bring thousands and thousands able, hard-working students into our economy so that they can serve our communities and enrich our nation. Please understand that this isn’t a game of politics, it’s a matter of giving thousands of real, living people an IDENTITY. Please allow yourself to put yourself in their position: you play by the rules, you work hard, you excel in school and extracurriculars—all because you know these things will lead you to a better life—but then there’s a catch: you don’t have a 9-digit number that says you can achieve. What are these kids supposed to do? Please note that it is better to have them enter our economy than to keep them in the shadows. Not only can we tap into their potential, but we can get a return on our investment in their grammar school education.
It’s proven that this ACT will actually improve the economy and cut the deficit. What else do you have to argue? The pentagon supports it. The department of education supports it. Many college and university Presidents have praised the potential behind this act. What is left to argue?

-Please understand that these kids will not be able to sponsor their parents for another 15 years. That doesn’t seem like chain immigration to me.

-Please understand that the bill requires people to prove that they have a criminal background check; there are clauses to prevent felons from being eligible.

- Please understand that they will not be eligible for in-state tuition or other forms of direct federal money.

-Please understand that the burden of proof to be eligible under this act falls on the applicant. This will not lead to massive fraud. There are school records, etc.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
Show your morality. Show that you will have the courage to stand up for what is right.

Posted by: commonsense85 | December 9, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

The DREAM Act is a common sense solution to bring thousands and thousands able, hard-working students into our economy so that they can serve our communities and enrich our nation. Please understand that this isn’t a game of politics, it’s a matter of giving thousands of real, living people an IDENTITY. Please allow yourself to put yourself in their position: you play by the rules, you work hard, you excel in school and extracurriculars—all because you know these things will lead you to a better life—but then there’s a catch: you don’t have a 9-digit number that says you can achieve. What are these kids supposed to do? Please note that it is better to have them enter our economy than to keep them in the shadows. Not only can we tap into their potential, but we can get a return on our investment in their grammar school education.
It’s proven that this ACT will actually improve the economy and cut the deficit. What else do you have to argue? The pentagon supports it. The department of education supports it. Many college and university Presidents have praised the potential behind this act. What is left to argue?

-Please understand that these kids will not be able to sponsor their parents for another 15 years. That doesn’t seem like chain immigration to me.

-Please understand that the bill requires people to prove that they have a criminal background check; there are clauses to prevent felons from being eligible.

- Please understand that they will not be eligible for in-state tuition or other forms of direct federal money.

-Please understand that the burden of proof to be eligible under this act falls on the applicant. This will not lead to massive fraud. There are school records, etc.

"Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the wretched refuse of your teeming shore. Send these, the homeless, tempest-tossed to me. I lift my lamp beside the golden door."
Show your morality. Show that you will have the courage to stand up for what is right.

Posted by: commonsense85 | December 9, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

They must be Dreaming if they think this is the right thing to do! I never Dreamed this country would simply ignore its own laws.

Posted by: pt1836metz | December 9, 2010 11:47 PM | Report abuse

We MUST HAVE the DREAM ACT because these people do jobs Americans simply refuse to do like...road construction, new home construction, restuarants, auto shops, bus drivers, bank tellers, government jobs. Americans simply refuse to do these type of jobs so we must open the gates at the border and have them do our work we americans absolutely refuse to work.

Posted by: pt1836metz | December 10, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

You know the ole' saying..."The Children Must Pay for the Sins of there Fathers."
When the fathers and mothers crossed the border illegally they indeed committed a a sin. The Dream Act is just that ...A dream.

Posted by: pt1836metz | December 10, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

fury60: “If this Nightmare Act is approved there will be 2 million less American kids going to college over the next several years because the democrats want to give those slots to illegal aliens.”
Let me clear up some of your extremely ignorant misconceptions. AMERICAN children will still have the same amount of opportunities for college if the bill passes. The immigrant children who would get granted the opportunity to benefit from the Dream Act will be phenomenal students and would have earned it. As an immigrant student myself, I can truly say that many American children whom I attend school with don’t even try and take their education for granted; if there are other students who could take their spots (immigrants or not) then they should! I believe that this is the country that prepares our future entrepreneurs, and this cannot be done without hardworking, determined students. DO YOU EVER THINK that this bill could benefit our economy by adding more jobs? FIVE out of SIX of my uncles have opened their own businesses in my small town adding up to 100 jobs! THINK ABOUT THE BIGGER PICTURE PEOPLE!

Posted by: believe_07 | December 10, 2010 7:52 PM | Report abuse

The people say that the immigrants declared demands of legalization. In my observation and point of view of the whole situation is that the illegals arent demanding anything. They're just in the pursuit of a dream, opportunity and happiness. In comparison to the situation I recall Thomas Jefferson and the declaration of independence. He writes about our rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Think about how did he kno to put the pursuit part. That maybe happiness is something we can only pursue. Now I see that they're in pursuit of chance,and opportunity of happiness. Finally realize that we should stop being politians an start being human beings.

Posted by: witemexican777 | December 11, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

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