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Posted at 12:15 PM ET, 01/13/2011

New Zodiac sign dates: Don't switch horoscopes yet

By Melissa Bell
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(Courtesy of the Geography and Map Division, Library of Congress)

So, you've spent your whole life happily smug in your star sign. You're a fish! Swimming in two directions! You're intuitive, imaginative, unworldly! And then today's Web is aflame with the news: You are not a Pisces. You are an Aquarius. Your star sign has been wrong your whole life. All along, you've been a freaking water carrier. This is not cool.

According to Parke Kunkle, a board member of the Minnesota Planetarium Society, cool or not, it's written in the stars. Star signs were created some 2,000 years ago by tracking where the sun was in the sky each month. However, the moon's gravitational pull has slowly moved the Earth in its axis, creating about a one-month bump in the stars' alignment, reports the Minnesota Star Tribune. Now, during what we think as the month of Pisces, the sun is actually in the sign of Aries.

The new dates would therefore be:

Capricorn: Jan. 20-Feb. 16
Aquarius: Feb. 16-March 11
Pisces: March 11-April 18
Aries: April 18-May 13
Taurus: May 13-June 21
Gemini: June 21-July 20
Cancer: July 20-Aug. 10
Leo: Aug. 10-Sept. 16
Virgo: Sept. 16-Oct. 30
Libra: Oct. 30-Nov. 23
Scorpio: Nov. 23-Dec. 17
Sagittarius: Dec. 17-Jan. 20

Is this the dawning of a new age of Aquarius? Well, Kunkle is an astronomer who is not too keen on the practice of astrology. When asked by telephone if the new star locations now require us all to switch our loyalty to a new sign, he demurred. "I can tell you what the science is, but I'm not going to tell you what your personality is based on the location of things."

Commentators have also responded to the initial article, saying the new location of the earth does not matter. One wrote, "Oh for heaven's sake (oops), how can people with Ph.D.s be so ignorant? Of course astrologers know about precession -- they've known since about 200 BC. Horoscopes always take it into account... Sheesh."

The commentator is correct that this is not new information. Live Science reported on the role of "precession" on astrology in 2007. Precession is the phenomenon of the moon causing the earth to "wobble" on its axis.

Other astrologists say the ancient system was merely a practice used as a helpful hint for diviners. Blogger Jamie on Darkstar Astrology writes, "It is the planets moving across the backdrop of the stars which influence our lives, not the planets moving through imagined 30 degree divisions on a piece of paper."

So all those hapless men and women who rushed out in college to get a scorpion tattooed on their back don't need to now rush to sign up for laser removal. If you're going to believe that all the people born on your birthday are imbued with certain traits similar to your own in some mystical, ancient manner, you might as well believe it does not matter where the stars are in the sky to begin with. On the flip side, if you've never liked your sign, here's your chance to switch.

Update: Well, strike that, you don't get to switch your sign. At least reader StarJack says so: "The stars are markers that drift, but our main points of reference are not directly the stars. They are the equinoxes (both spring and vernal) and the solstices which altogether make the four cardinal points of the zodiac which in turn determine the signs. The stars help us locate those points which define the SIGNS of the Zodiac which remain constant in relation to the equinox point. The CONSTELLATIONS do move about and we take that into consideration when locating planets."

Update take 2: To address a couple issues readers have brought up: the purported "new" sign of Ophiuchus is not a new sign. According to the original constellation chart, Ophiuchus made the list. People born between Nov. 29-Dec. 17 now fall under the Ophiuchus sign, also known as the Serpent Holder sign (according to Time, you'd therefore be an interpreter of dreams and vivid premonitions and envied by your peers and favored by your father and authority figures).

However, the Babylonians discarded the 13th sign, to make for an even 12 signs two millennia ago. Which brings us to our next point: in case you don't know the O.G. star chart, here's what constellation your sign fell under 2,000 years ago:

Aries: March 21 - April 19
Taurus: April 20 - May 20
Gemini: May 21 - June 20
Cancer: June 21 - July 22
Leo: July 23 - August 22
Virgo: August 23 - September 22
Libra: September 23 - October 22
Scorpio: October 23 - November 21
Sagittarius: November 22 - December 21
Capricorn: December 22 - January 19
Aquarius: January 20 - February 18
Pisces: February 19 - March 20

And if all this talk has put you in need of a horoscope reading, here's the Washington Post daily astrology fix.

Update III:
A big part of the whole debate comes from a divide in the astrological world: tropical vs. sidereal zodiac. From Eric Francis of Planet Wave writes: "Kunkle is describing what is called the sidereal zodiac: the backdrop of the stars. It's not the zodiac used by most Western astrologers; it's the one used by Vedic astrologers, the kind in India, and a few in our part of the world. Here in the West, we use a zodiac that follows the seasons. It's called the tropical zodiac. It's based on the position of the Sun's rays and the tropics -- that's why it's called tropical."

For more on the personality crisis this whole event has wrought, read the Post's humor blog here.

Updated at 11:46 a.m. on Friday

By Melissa Bell  | January 13, 2011; 12:15 PM ET
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Comments

Oh, this has been known for years. Actually the sun moves through 13 or 14 constellations, depending on your location.

Astrology is just a way for astrologers to practice psychology without all the bother of getting a degree. The zodiac and all the software are just props for cold reading:
http://www.faqs.org/periodicals/201001/1983229021.html

It's even easier for an astrologer if they know something about you already (either something you've volunteered or by questioning a mutual acquaintance)

Not that true believers will care. Look at the "anti-vaxers" circle the wagons in spite of evidence,

For a full examination of astrology, see:
http://www.astrology-and-science.com/

Posted by: GWGOLDB | January 13, 2011 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I would agree that 90% is bull honky but the location of the solar system in the universe physically impacts the Earth (and therefore its residents). Saying that it doesn't is akin to saying the weather doesn't change as you travel north or that it doesn't bum you out when it rains non-stop for a month.

Cara

Posted by: LindsayMico | January 13, 2011 2:16 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: kenk33 | January 13, 2011 3:06 PM | Report abuse

This comment referred to from the initial article "Of course astrologers know about precession -- they've known since about 200 BC. Horoscopes always take it into account... Sheesh."

This is misleading. Yes we have known about precession for a long time. However, horoscopes do not always take it into account. Whoever wrote that is not educated in astrology. Sidereal astrologers, mainly Vedic astrologer from India, do take precession into account. Western astrologers in general do not, as they use the tropical zodiac.

Posted by: JamieDarkstar | January 13, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Every now and then some astronomers dig out the Precession of the Equinox and write some piece as if astrologers never heard of it, usually to the effect of, “Hey, your astrological sign got moved, you gotta get it changed!”

Astrologers have known about this for millennia. Seriously, millennia. Aristarchus of Samos noticed it back in 280 BCE. What happens is that due to a wobble in the Earth’s orbit our relationship to the zodiacal constellations is in a constant shift. Our main point of reference here is what we call the Equinoctal Point, that is the point on the zodiac where the Sun is at the second of the spring equinox -- typically on March 21, but with leap years and depending on what time zone you’re in it could be the 20th. That particular point has been sliding backwards at such a slow rate that it makes a full cycle every 26,000 years. About 2,000 years ago that point was at the beginning of the sign of Aries, and a funny thing happened…

But first… for the many years before that astrologers had been noticing planetary motion and developed the system of signs. As with any developing body of knowledge they would slowly revise their descriptions of the signs as changes became evident. And the nature of the signs would change over the years to match the shift in stellar positions. Actually some astrologers still do that. They are called “sidereal astrologers” and siderealism is practiced rather little in the West, but it’s very big in India where the system is called Jyotish, or Vedic Astrology. In the west we generally prefer the “Tropical Zodiac”

Behind the “Tropical Zodiac” is the idea that the Zodiac of Signs is different from the Zodiac of Constellations. Building on Aristarchus’ discovery of the Precession, Hellenic astrologers figured that we are dealing with a system of interacting planets, the Moon and Sun. The stars are markers that drift, but our main points of reference are not directly the stars. They are the equinoxes (both spring and vernal) and the solstices which altogether make the four cardinal points of the zodiac which in turn determine the signs. The stars help us locate those points which define the SIGNS of the Zodiac which remain constant in relation to the equinox point. The CONSTELLATIONS do move about and we take that into consideration when locating planets.

This may be a bitter disappointment to people who don’t like their signs and thought they had a chance to change them. No sign is better or worse than any other. Each has its own strengths and weaknesses. A better approach would be to find a good astrologer who can tell you what your sun sign and the rest of your chart really are good for.

Posted by: starjack | January 13, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

kenk33 I guess with your ignorance you would be first in line. Just because you do not believe in something does not make it wrong for others.

Posted by: cathy110359 | January 13, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

So what is this I've been hearing abot Ophiuchus?? Do these new signs apply to everyone regardless of what year they were born or does it apply only to those born after the earth shifted?

Posted by: KatieMink | January 13, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

Nice, the Genius who authored and edited this article did not account for the new Sign within the dates given!

Posted by: foryourchi | January 13, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

this is total bullcrap, i am staying a scorpio, i am not being a libra

Posted by: rcallicoat3 | January 13, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

this is total bullcrap, i am staying a scorpio, i am not being a libra

Posted by: rcallicoat3 | January 13, 2011 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Ummm - the vernal equinox IS the spring equinox. The other one is called the autumnal equinox. Somehow my faith is diminished in someone who claims to be well versed in the area and doesn't know this, no matter how much they can say about Aristarchus.

Posted by: pchapin | January 13, 2011 9:20 PM | Report abuse

THERE'S ONLY ONE SOLUTION TO ALL OF THIS


BOMB THE MOON

Posted by: BOMBTHEMOON | January 13, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Fortunately, most people have no desire to live in kenk33's revolutionary proletarian people's paradise.

Posted by: blacksabbathfan | January 13, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

DEAR Everyone- your sign didn't change. whether there's a new sign or not, the sun was still in YOUR sign on your birthday the year you were born.

So, do not freak out. I repeat your sign did not change.

I can't believe the Washington Post made such a poor article on such a huge topic that affects so many people. The Washington Post should look into their resources more and fix the way the word their articles. Shame on the Post!

Posted by: SkaMonk | January 13, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

RE: "StarJack"'s reference to "...equinoxes (both spring and vernal)..." : spring IS vernal. Could he have meant "both vernal and autumnal"?

Posted by: msbettypv | January 13, 2011 10:19 PM | Report abuse

And seriously, that attempt to throw in a 13th sign on account of a minor constellation in the band of the ecliptic (the path the sun takes in the sky as seen from Earth, determined by the Earth's orbital plane intersecting the Sun) isn't exactly a new skeptic fake-out attempt, either.

Posted by: blacksabbathfan | January 13, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Actually astrology does have validity, but it is only part of what influences our destiny (Karma may have a bigger influence). Also all planets including the earth are ensouled by a living, intelligent being. These beings are like Gods. The bible mentions the Seven Spirits before the throne of God - these are the seven sacred planets. These planets do affect us in many ways. For info on karma see www.sentforlife.com/karma.html

Posted by: Dave77 | January 13, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

No, no, no...! First Pluto, now this? I can't take it! Please, folks, let's draw our attention to what's wrong with Earth and leave everything "out there" alone!

Posted by: fireball1 | January 14, 2011 12:52 AM | Report abuse

There are two major branches of astrology. The one in question here is known as Sidereal, which is slaved to the stars. Oops.

The other branch is known as Tropical, and it follows the seasons of the Earth. According to that theory, an Aries born in Spring might have a youthful persona. A Leo born at the peak of the growing season might be proud and masterful.

It sounds as goofy as the other one. However, there is an interesting theory, that the Earth is a living metaphor, that it speaks to us in symbols - natural phenomena.

And compatible with what Carl Jung said is the idea of synchronicity, best summed up as an ancient dictum: As Above, So Below- (now called the study of fractals).

Divination such as the I Ching mirrors the belief in the stamp of a moment in time in which all things are linked. You throw the straws, dice, coins, they tell the meaning of the moment, as defined by the venerable text.

Tropical astrology comes from that esoteric tradition. Sidereal astrology is fixated on the star clusters that were overhead at the time these ideas were developed. And now look.


Posted by: johndenton46 | January 14, 2011 1:10 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't get to upset about your starsign changing people. I'll let you in on a little secret, unless the prediction was that this week every single sign was going to have their lives thrown upside down, then it's all rubbish. The 'universe' didn't pick and choose who's house got washed away, or who's family members would survive it just destroyed everything when it unleashed a vast ocean of muddy brown water across Brisbane and the rest of Queensland, Australia... Think your life is going to be hard now your a Virgo instead of a Scorpio... Imagine if the only thing you had left of your life was the clothes on your back.

Posted by: Brisvegas | January 14, 2011 4:51 AM | Report abuse

I find this all fascinating... In fact so much so that a few years ago I wrote a song about the 13th sign aka Ophiuchus aka Serpentarius it is called ..... Serpentarius. Want to listen? Listen here! http://www.reverbnation.com/bybloodalone.

Serpentarius
by
By Blood Alone

The twelve signs don't align
as they scurry across the sky
70 or more are simply forgotten
what's this 13th sign
honored only for his plight
interpreting the dreams of those who surround him

As we look up to the sky so high
we correlate our lives with the night
as we calmly lie each night
Serpentarius we try

The eagle made his way
to strike him down and end his days
pluto wielding a great bolt of thunder
he tried to raise the dead
healing sick with serpent hands
robbing hell of its due souls heading under

the answers that we search inside to find
reveal themselves to us, causing fright
as we slowly die each night
Serpentarius we try to find the light

As we live our separate lives no ties
the universe survives spanning time
as we calmly lie each night
Serpentarius we die to find the light

all rights reserved by
By Blood Alone
http://www.bybloodalone.com

Posted by: MsCruella | January 14, 2011 5:19 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what the great astrologist Linda Goodman would think about these changes...she may just be rolling over in her grave!

Posted by: famleegrl | January 14, 2011 6:10 AM | Report abuse

I wonder what the great astrologist Linda Goodman would say about these changes her books are so right on for me...I cannot now suddenly be a pisces...from fire to water what the heck.....I wonder if the new changes are made for people born from Jan 13 2011 moving forward and all the rest of us stay the same?

Posted by: famleegrl | January 14, 2011 6:15 AM | Report abuse

You know, whenever something like this comes out there's always some astrologer to defend his or her professsion by saying "Oh, I use a DIFFERENT method", thus moving the goal posts. Funny, they never explain why their method is any more scientific.

Ultimately, it's about the insecurity of some people to seek out and pay for comforting generalities dressed up as specifics and to endorse them as uniquely revealing.

As someone (I think it was either Mark Twain or Barnum) said of quack medicine: the only bigger liars than the purveyors are the patients

Posted by: GWGOLDB | January 14, 2011 6:20 AM | Report abuse

Why is this "new" news? The ancient Greeks knew about the precession of the ecliptic.

Posted by: DontWannaMyPostID | January 14, 2011 6:45 AM | Report abuse

GWGOLDB is resorting to a straw man in his "moving the goal-post" accusation. Apart from the issue of astrology's validity, the difference between tropical and sidereal astrology systems is well-known, has been around for quite a while, and the basis for each was fully explained by starjack.

Posted by: blacksabbathfan | January 14, 2011 7:16 AM | Report abuse

do u actually think people who have been leos for life will actually change there signs for this stupid article..i feel u jobless people have no practical thing to do which is why trying to waste time of people like us.please keep ur stupid discoveries to urself..thankyou and do something helpful

Posted by: ishan | January 14, 2011 7:20 AM | Report abuse

do u actually think people who have been leos for life will actually change their sun sign because of this stupid article..jobless people like urself have actually managed to destroy my time thinking of this..so pls keep these meaningless thoughts to urself and spare us from wasting our time my even giving 1 sec to this stupid and idiotic article.
THANKYOU

Posted by: ishan | January 14, 2011 7:25 AM | Report abuse

If there is intelligent life out there in the cosmos, they're despairing at this comment thread.

Seriously people, if you really believe that big balls of gas, many light years apart but sharing the roughly same line of sight from Earth, influence your daily life... well, good luck with that.

You may as well line up some coffee cans to make a pretty pattern - you'll have the same chances of winning the Lottery or finding your one true love.

Posted by: qprmeteor | January 14, 2011 7:30 AM | Report abuse

No! I'm an Aries! I can't change at this point! EVERYTHING would be different if I found out I'm a Pisces!!!!!

Posted by: cococo | January 14, 2011 8:42 AM | Report abuse

Does this really matter. Other important things are going on in this world.

Posted by: Helya | January 14, 2011 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Thank you Melissa Bell for shedding light on the age old battle between scientists or astronomers verses modern day prophets or Astrologers. Precession has been known about since way before Jesus Christ and Mohammad and Buddha and Shiva, and of course Astrologers are aware of it, but it doesn’t really mean a great deal to us when there are so many other avenues to determine a person’s fate. Astrologers take many more important things into account to divine a person’s daily fortune such as equinoxes, solstices, eclipses, where planets are at the time of a person’s birth, where planets are now, how different planets effect the individual, moon signs, tropical as well as sidereal systems (oh yeah and don’t leave out the Chinese/Vietnamese system were about to enter year of the rabbit/cat on Feb 3) and so much more. I agree with STARJACK, who very scientific in his approach, wrote greatly about the differences between “sidereal vs. tropical” and others who know like SkaMonk. BLACKSABBATHFAN is right on the money when he/she stated, “And seriously, that attempt to throw in a 13th sign on account of a minor constellation in the band of the ecliptic (the path the sun takes in the sky as seen from Earth, determined by the Earth's orbital plane intersecting the Sun) isn't exactly a new skeptic fake-out attempt, either.” I also like what FAMLEEGRL says, “I wonder what the great astrologist Linda Goodman would think about these changes...she may just be rolling over in her grave!” And for me myself and I, Taebozz says Mr. Kunkel should enjoy his five minutes of fame because Americas Astrologers are laughing at his quack antics’! Parke Kunkel, just stick to being a scientist don’t lose the day job. Seriously!

Posted by: tae3 | January 14, 2011 9:17 AM | Report abuse

it's all crap anyway. But, if you really believe in this stuff, then you MUST change your sign! The comment that you your born under a sign is incorrect. You were born under the wrong sign. It's like saying 2+2=3. It's wrong. But people didn't know it was wrong. It needs to be corrected. We don't go on saying that 2+2=3. We change it because it is better, more accurate information. I go from Leo to Cancer, I guess.

I am interested in seeing if this really has any impact in the media. I noticed that the Washington Post didn't change their Horoscope calendar... will they?

Posted by: wswail | January 14, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Looking over the new Zodiac signs each month ends and begins on the same day, so if you are born on any of these 13 days which sign would you fall under, or do you just get to choose.

Posted by: jeffreyroten | January 14, 2011 9:51 AM | Report abuse

So for those of us born on February 16th, March 11th, April 18th, May 13th, June 21st, July 20th, August 10th, September 16th, October 30th, November 23rd, December 17th, or January 20th...two signs?

Posted by: meredithc124 | January 14, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

pchapin, agreed concerning the vernal equinox. I read and re-read this, wasting time wondering what the author meant.

Also, no mention of the major influence of the SUN'S electro-magneticism disintegration or decay over time.

Remember, annual zodiac is better. Get ready for the Year of the Rabbit/Cat and have a prosperous, restful and peaceful NY2011 !!

Posted by: mgallo2 | January 14, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

Astrology is nothing but smoke and mirrors. I could scramble the descriptions and horoscopes attributed to each zodiac sign and people would still think they were correct. Hell, birth order has a greater effect on personality than what month you were born in!

Posted by: mhoust | January 14, 2011 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Astrology is bunk.

There's more influence upon you from the refrigerator magnets in your neighbor's neighbor's house than any distant planet or star. And those magnets don't influence you at all.

The true physics of how the planets and stars move through space contain more wonder and more truth and the fantasy of astrology.

Posted by: 1EgoNemo | January 14, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"My sign don't work
Got to trade it in"

Root Boy Slim

Posted by: nonsensical2001 | January 14, 2011 11:03 AM | Report abuse

I have sat here and read every post and my conclusion to all of this is:

I have not seen where a person has asked the following;

If the shift in signs that has been correct for thousands of years, then what is the stars telling a person who was born on Dec. 12th, 1946, and how would the stars under the old way tell this person for the day, or week ? Using the new ( age old ) way of that daily insight. Person being born under Ophiuchus ?

Posted by: orions8 | January 14, 2011 11:18 AM | Report abuse


Astrology is based upon fantasy, caprice or whimsical notions. It removes the need of free-will, and allows an external element to decide our life course and fate.

People naturally enjoy hearing good things about themselves or auspicious predictions. Astrology is intriguing and motivates people through the powers of positive or negative suggestion -- powerful, under-estimated, psychological drivers.

Posted by: mgallo2 | January 14, 2011 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Hello Everyone:

I forgot to mention this in my post;

What astrologers ought to do is this, write a daily horoscope using the way they have done for years. Then write one using the new way, that way people can decide on their own which sign is really theirs. People will find something interesting by reading the signs then, because a certain sign will fall in place then. What do you think ?

Posted by: orions8 | January 14, 2011 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Really? whats next? were have the months wrong?

Posted by: sammy18 | January 14, 2011 11:44 AM | Report abuse

I don't know about this article. It's a bit perplexing to me but there is an article I read that actually states that the changes in constellations that change the zodiac signs only apply to those who live in the East, not West. The West goes by a tropical zodiac; thus, your sign has NOT changed. Read the article for yourself and then form an opinion: http://news.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474978922863

Posted by: EISCV | January 14, 2011 11:56 AM | Report abuse

When I was in college I had a prof who studied people's reaction to astrology. One of the experiments he did was to collect information from students-some were asked to give just birthdate, some date and location, some also time of birth. The next day everybody was given "their" horoscope and asked to rate how much they believed it. The more information they had given the higher rate of belief. Thing was-everybody was given the exact same thing. What we believe is so affected by what we bring to it.

Posted by: eslteach | January 14, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse


The doctor delivering you had more gravitational effect on you than Venus or Mars did on the date of your birth.

Posted by: MichelleKinPA | January 14, 2011 12:23 PM | Report abuse

I ususally do not reply to this type of posting. However, based on the new dates every person who is born on the first and last date of his/her sign belongs to 2 signs. For example, Capricorn begins on Jan. 20 and Sagittarius ends on Jan. 20. So I guess people born on Jan 20 are both Capricorn and Sagittarius. Another example, Feb. 16 is the end date for Capricorn and the begin date for Aquarius. So I guess if your birthdate is Feb. 16 your sign is both Capricorn and Aquarius. Aren't they lucky?

I have not read all of the posts, so I'm not sure if someone else caught this.

Posted by: rdw1260 | January 14, 2011 12:36 PM | Report abuse

"Oh for heaven's sake (oops), how can people with Ph.D.s be so ignorant?"

Oh, the irony.

Posted by: presto668 | January 14, 2011 1:19 PM | Report abuse

The folks who rail against astrology are so narrow-minded. Their objection seems to be that planetary or stellar influence on humans is not "scientific", so that automatically makes it bunk. But observe: 150 years ago, anyone who claimed television or radio were possible would have gotten the same reactionary condemnation. It wasn't until the 1920s that science could explain what made the sun shine. And science still can't explain a great many processes, but those processes go merrily on their way without science's blessing. THE MERE FACT THAT SCIENCE, UP TO A GIVEN ARBITRARY POINT IN HISTORY, HAS FAILED TO EXPLAIN HOW SOMETHING WORKS, DOES NOT PREVENT IT FROM WORKING. I can't tell you in scientific terms how astrology works; I can only tell you that I have seen it work, over and over. I began as an extreme skeptic and came to be convinced when I saw how consistently it works. I'd be willing to bet that the people condemning, and scoffing at, astrology, have never actually investigated it to see for themselves that it works. In an earlier time, they were no doubt the ones that burned witches. And they call astrology superstition? Can you say HYPOCRITE?
The funny part is, the sarcastic scoffers are probably Scorpio, the arrogant ones are Leo, the stoned ones are Pisces, and so forth. It works whether you personally "believe" in it or not, just like chemistry, geometry , philosophy, or any other long-standing system of study. Attacking others for their preferred way of looking at the Universe seems so, I don't know, Islamic extremist? Is that really how you wish to be perceived?continue

Posted by: nitemare1116 | January 14, 2011 2:01 PM | Report abuse

i miss PLUTO. i will never get used to only 8 planets. but that's why we need GOOFY.

Posted by: jgaskins1 | January 14, 2011 2:28 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHA Well if your going to add another sign then everyone should remember that the chinese zodiac also has a 13th sign(The Cat) that was removed. What's also interesting is that I live in Florida and for years I've been telling people that the Winter cold doesn't hit til about mid Jan and that they should move the months back to line it up. Could this mean we are going to see an extra month in our Year?!?!?! Since I thought of it do I get to name it?!?! Hmm... how about Jeri:)
- Jerry C.

Posted by: CJerry87 | January 14, 2011 2:57 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty obvious that the commenters on here who are blasting astrology as bunk only know of it from the infamous daily horoscope, which is just about the *worst* representation of astrology.

For example, astrology does not negate free will, but rather reveals a disposition. This is analogous to human genetics; we may be predisposed to develop heart disease, but it doesn't mean we definitely will.

The other ignorance about astrology being shown here is that our "sign" is the only element in astrology, when in actuality there are many more (the planets and various other celestial points). This is why the daily horoscope is the astrological equivalent of professional wrestling.

As for the physical basis for astrology, to say we don't know what it is does not equate to there being none. At one time, humans didn't understand gravity or solar radiation, but they were nonetheless valid forces in the universe.

Posted by: Andrew53 | January 14, 2011 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Ok, simple. This does not affect the horoscope we tend to use most in the US. So your sign didn't change. However, if you must include Ophiuchus, you should also account for the for the fact that libra didn't exist until julias ceasar. Meaning that there have always been 12 living things represented on the horoscope, not 13. Have fun, and remember this does not change your horoscope. Only An Astronomical version of the horoscopes. Have fun!

Posted by: nyvissa | January 14, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

This is so funny. But it doesn't change anything. The people who annoy you, still annoy you. the people who you must avoid, are still the same. They just have a different name. You just don't get along. As for our self view, oh how wonderful we get to box ourselves into another set of rigid structures! Hallelujiah! If i get to be a Capricorn now instead of Aquarius, I am thrilled! I am tired of being the doormat! OOPS! I decided that for myself anyway !!!! Why did I ever buy into any of it in the first place is the real question. Bah Humbug. Bring on Capricorn.

Posted by: marieparis1 | January 14, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

This is so funny. But it doesn't change anything. The people who annoy you, still annoy you. the people who you must avoid, are still the same. They just have a different name. You just don't get along. As for our self view, oh how wonderful we get to box ourselves into another set of rigid structures! Hallelujiah! If i get to be a Capricorn now instead of Aquarius, I am thrilled! I am tired of being the doormat! OOPS! I decided that for myself anyway !!!! Why did I ever buy into any of it in the first place is the real question. Bah Humbug. Bring on Capricorn.

Posted by: marieparis1 | January 14, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Well my concern now with the new sign dates. I am noticing that the end date and begin date is the same. So those people born on say June 21st would now be Taurus (May 13-June 21)and Gemini (June 21-July 20)
Least the old one did not have it on the same day. So some people will end up having to signs. I however will not be affected as my birthday stays the same. My boyfriend is now the same sign as me, and my daughters changed well because she was born on Aug 9, and we can clearly see that the special ones get the two signs of Aug 10th!

Posted by: sinomen | January 14, 2011 8:00 PM | Report abuse

that is soooo stupid to discard a sign because they want to make it even.

Posted by: sxehoneybeefly | January 14, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Any of you who believe in a god have no right to make fun of those who believe in astrology. However, all you superstitious people, with your grave concerns over the non-existent and unimportant, are quite amusing for we atheists. Please remember, no matter what their sign, real people with very real problems need very real help. So please come out of the clouds and offer some real assistance.

Posted by: thesilverback | January 15, 2011 5:35 AM | Report abuse

The stars have no influence whatsoever on the life patterns of the people on earth. If this were true, then there should be only 12 different life patterns representing the 12 zodiac signs but in reality there are as many different life patterns as there are people. Equally, if there's someone who can interpret the zodiac signs he's a charlatan and a con. People's destiny is governed by events and not the position of stars which must be changing every minute but we don't see it because of the immense distance.

Posted by: shaik1 | January 15, 2011 6:48 AM | Report abuse

You gotta love the "You guys need to get a life. People out there have real problems" posts. When they could have just pasted this whole silly zodiac thing altogether. lol I guess they can't help but put their 2 cents in on a post that they don't care about.

I'm a true blue Sag regardless of the change. My girlfriend on the other hand is now a Pisces. She's a bit ticked. All I know is, she still has all the fire and passion of an Aries. If the signs have changed, then they need to change the meaning of each sign. My girl acts like an Aries. In every way.

Posted by: Goose9000 | January 15, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

ANDREW53 put it well: Astrology is not precise, but can be rationally useful. "...This is analogous to human genetics; we may be predisposed to develop heart disease, but it doesn't mean we definitely will.

The other ignorance about astrology being shown here is that our "sign" is the only element in astrology, when in actuality there are many more (the planets and various other celestial points). This is why the daily horoscope is the astrological equivalent of professional wrestling.

As for the physical basis for astrology, to say we don't know what it is does not equate to there being none. At one time, humans didn't understand gravity or solar radiation, but they were nonetheless valid forces in the universe."

My well-educated middle-class family, including my devout Episcopalian mother,
have often been intrigued (and amused) by the similarities between some of our actual personality traits and our signs. Even my hard-@$$ older brother, the Taurus, has to admit that his greatest problems often tie in with his bull-headed-ness! (Of course, he can also use that determination to everyone's advantage, too.) We know and understand ourselves and each other, not because of the Zodiac, but because we have brains of our own. The signs, even to me, the Neo-Pagan, are simply a suggestion with a ring of approximate truth, like the Meyers-Briggs indicators and assessments of multiple intelligences. None of them are exactly and exclusively me, but they each offer some insight. If I reflect on some aspect and know within my mind and my intuition that it is or isn't relevant, I consider that and go on my way. As I grow older, I sometimes see nuances that help me understand myself and others better, often in a way that jibes well with my studies of psychology and sociology.

I worry for those who enslave themselves to a daily supposed "predictor" in the back of the TV guide or a self-proclaimed expert (read: scam artist). Likewise, though, I feel sorry for those who live in such a two-dimensional world that they can't accept anything not explained by a quadratic equation. Life is more than that--at its fullest, it is both science and poetry.

Posted by: EdgewoodVA | January 15, 2011 10:26 AM | Report abuse

http://soulgardentv.ning.com/profiles/blog/show?id=2259039%3ABlogPost%3A435137&xgs=1&xg_source=msg_share_post


jsut watch this. It'll fix everything

Posted by: SkaMonk | January 15, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

George Bush is responsible for all this.......

Posted by: Pipe34 | January 15, 2011 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Melissa Bell of Washpo: not a very original idea for an article, I'm afraid! All this "star signs changing" business - there tends to be a spate of articles with this theme at least once per ten years: I remember similar a bit over a decade ago, in press and TV in the UK, making the usual feint of "everything you thought you knew is wrong", only that time concentrating on "the thirteenth sign", Ophiucus. As pple here have pointed out, this is all based on the well-known scientific phenomenon of "precession of the equinoxes", which was known of by the ancients, literally for millennia - maybe since Aristarchus, but actually some theorists seem to believe that it is a major foundation for all mythology. Read a book called Hamlet's Mill.

But what a long and varied discussion the old theme has produced! I really enjoyed reading all the comments. Gotta pick out a few: nitemare, what did you mean by calling Piscean skeptics "the stoned ones"?! I'm a Piscean; I'm not stoned! starjack I liked your post - but didn't>

Posted by: oneoflokis | January 15, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Melissa Bell of Washpo: not a very original idea for an article, I'm afraid! All this "star signs changing" business - there tends to be a spate of articles with this theme at least once per ten years: I remember similar a bit over a decade ago, in press and TV in the UK, making the usual feint of "everything you thought you knew is wrong", only that time concentrating on "the thirteenth sign", Ophiucus. As pple here have pointed out, this is all based on the well-known scientific phenomenon of "precession of the equinoxes", which was known of by the ancients, literally for millennia - maybe since Aristarchus, but actually some theorists seem to believe that it is a major foundation for all mythology. Read a book called Hamlet's Mill.

But what a long and varied discussion the old theme has produced! I really enjoyed reading all the comments. Gotta pick out a few: nitemare, what did you mean by calling Piscean skeptics "the stoned ones"?! I'm a Piscean; I'm not stoned! starjack I liked your post - but didn't>

Posted by: oneoflokis | January 15, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

(sorry abt that: it said error!) <you mean that two thousand years ago, we (the equinoctal point) were at the beginning of the sign of *Pisces*, not Aries, and "a funny thing happened"; referring surely to the birth of Jesus? For we are still in the Age of the Fish (Pisces); the one before that was Aries (one reason why the OT is so full of battles!); and now we stand at "the dawning of the Age of Aquarius": are we there yet: not quite! I looked this all up a while ago and no-one can really agree when that, or the various Ages, start or finish either! (Some think Aquarius started in the 20thc: others, not until 2100 or thereabouts!) But bear in mind that the UNIVERSE isn't comprised of sharp lines like a cartoon; nor does it jump ahead in jerks like the minute hand of a school clock: instead it moves very S-L-O-W-L-Y. And gradually. But yeah: Age of Pisces was all about JC; Age of Aquarius is meant to be the mingling of religions! THIS is why it matters! Each Age lasts abt 2000 yrs.

Posted by: oneoflokis | January 15, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

(sorry abt that: it said error!) <you mean that two thousand years ago, we (the equinoctal point) were at the beginning of the sign of *Pisces*, not Aries, and "a funny thing happened"; referring surely to the birth of Jesus? For we are still in the Age of the Fish (Pisces); the one before that was Aries (one reason why the OT is so full of battles!); and now we stand at "the dawning of the Age of Aquarius": are we there yet: not quite! I looked this all up a while ago and no-one can really agree when that, or the various Ages, start or finish either! (Some think Aquarius started in the 20thc: others, not until 2100 or thereabouts!) But bear in mind that the UNIVERSE isn't comprised of sharp lines like a cartoon; nor does it jump ahead in jerks like the minute hand of a school clock: instead it moves very S-L-O-W-L-Y. And gradually. But yeah: Age of Pisces was all about JC; Age of Aquarius is meant to be the mingling of religions! THIS is why it matters! Each Age lasts abt 2000 yrs.

Posted by: oneoflokis | January 15, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

This was fun to read, since I had some time to kill while I waited in line to get my previous tattoo covered by the one of my new sign. Hey I wonder if I can get a judge to grant a divorce on the grounds of my new sign says I can't be married to a scorpio, not my fault after all.

Man I love when articles make for such humor, anything to take my mind off the fact that there are people shooting at me everyday, I wonder if half of them will stop shooting now that their signs changed and their new horoscope says they are nice instead of terrorists?

:) :) :)

Posted by: james2003_bluedog | January 15, 2011 7:39 PM | Report abuse

(Sorry I'm on a mobile and am limited to 1026 characters: also its software doesn't seem to agree with WaPo's: hence double posts: mod pls correct!)

johndenton46 I liked your post: also mscruella's with the serpentarius song! Creative. Actually, Ophiucus, serpent holder, dreamer/interpreter of dreams, makes me think more of Joseph from the bible, rather than Jesus. Wonder if that's the sign the former was, if it's an old (deleted) sign?

I liked - and agreed - with EdgewoodVA's post too.

Thanks everyone for the thought provocation! Guess that must include the author too!

Posted by: oneoflokis | January 15, 2011 7:51 PM | Report abuse

(Sorry I'm on a mobile and am limited to 1026 characters: also its software doesn't seem to agree with WaPo's: hence double posts: mod pls correct!)

johndenton46 I liked your post: also mscruella's with the serpentarius song! Creative. Actually, Ophiucus, serpent holder, dreamer/interpreter of dreams, makes me think more of Joseph from the bible, rather than Jesus. Wonder if that's the sign the former was, if it's an old (deleted) sign?

I liked - and agreed - with EdgewoodVA's post too.

Thanks everyone for the thought provocation! Guess that must include the author too!

Posted by: oneoflokis | January 15, 2011 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@famleegrl girl (I wonder what the great astrologist Linda Goodman would think about these changes...she may just be rolling over in her grave! )

She DID have something to say about the so-called 13th sign. Back in the 70s, when this hoopla wasn't never even then, she said it was a load of rubbish and that it didn't apply to astrologers who followed the tropical zodiac.

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This dumb story blows up at least once or twice a decade, and has for decades (Goodman wrote her books in the 70s). If people actually bothered with astrology, or even its history, they'd disregard the story as the trash it is. Of course, people are content with ridiculous magazine horoscopes as astrology, so they get all sorts of notions into their head and spread myths and untruths around. Shame.

Posted by: daydream11 | January 16, 2011 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Huh? Aside from all the other issues, did anybody notice that the new dates posted above have the same beginning and end dates for different signs? For example, March 11 is both Aquarius and Pisces under the new dates. Split personalities?

Posted by: confused9 | January 16, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Good lord, people. The universe is pretty amazing as it is without having to make up all this stupid crap about it.

This isn't harmless entertainment - this betrays a serious lack of critical thinking, the same lack of critical thinking that makes parents refuse to get their kids vaccinated, that makes people forgo legitimate medical treatment in favor of "magic" crystals and homeopathy, that makes people support nitwits like Sarah Palin.

If you're "entertained" by the notion that the position of the sun and planets at the time of your birth has any effect on your personality, you live in a small, sad universe. In my universe, we've taken pictures of planets around other freakin' stars. That's pretty awesome.

It's the 21st century. Grow up.

Posted by: financepirate | January 18, 2011 8:33 AM | Report abuse

Try http://www.mynewzodiacsign.net/ for more info on new zodiac sign

Posted by: LazarosPap | January 19, 2011 4:49 AM | Report abuse

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