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Posted at 10:50 PM ET, 12/ 4/2010

Capitals suffer rare regulation loss at Verizon Center, 3-1 to Thrashers

By Katie Carerra

If there's any team that may represent the greater challenge the Southeast Division provides for the Capitals this season, it's Atlanta. The hard-working Thrashers, against whom Washington has gone 14-4-2 over the past three seasons, have not yielded an inch against the three-time defending division winners in this season and defeated the Capitals for the third time this year, 3-1, on Saturday night.

Goaltender Ondrej Pavelec, who entered the year with a 1-8-0 career record against the Capitals, has allowed just one goal on 75 shots in the past two games against Washington. But in this latest contest, he got some help from the Capitals' shooters, who spent the bulk of their time on the outside of the offensive zone.

"He made some good saves," Coach Bruce Boudreau said of Pavelec. "I'm not denying that he feels very comfortable, obviously, playing us. I don't think it was one of those games where he had to make a tremendous amount of second saves on the same play and that's what scores goals. If you look at the way they were playing, they might not have had the quality chances but when they did they had three guys going to the net and it's bang, bang, bang and you have to be ready to make the play."

Boudreau and the players were critical of their inability to test Pavelec and the Thrashers with second-chance shots and attempts from close around the net. Instead, they treated the game like target practice both at even strength and on the power play.

"If you look at the power play we'd have everybody just all in a circle looking to take one-timers and there was no second-shot capability," Boudreau said. "Usually when we've got the puck at the point we have a guy going to the net and we have options. Tonight I was looking and they're getting the puck at the point or the half-wall and everybody was just standing around hoping something was going to happen."

Said Alex Ovechkin: "I think after the first shot, we didn't find rebounds. We had lots of chances to find it but we didn't."

--Boudreau didn't want to discuss the officiating in a second-straight game and loss but there were a few instances that seemed a little off again tonight. Jason Chimera was the victim of a high-stick at least three times, once where it split his lip, requiring stitches. And an argument could have been made for an instigator penalty on Jim Slater when he started a fight with David Steckel after the latter collided with Tobias Enstrom, who left the game after falling to the ice on the play.

Regardless, the Thrashers' goal on the power play after Steckel's kneeing penalty certainly knocked the wind out of any Washington comeback hopes.

"We were up on ourselves after [Ovechkin's] goal," John Carlson said. "And then they came right back pretty quicklyl and I think it took a little life out of us."

--The Thrashers ended a nine-game losing streak at Verizon Center, winning in Washington for the first time since a 2-0 victory on Feb. 2, 2008. It was the Capitals' longest home winning streak in the series with Atlanta and longest against any opponent.

Saturday night's loss was just Washington's second regulation loss at home with the first coming on Oct. 19 against Boston. The Capitals are now 12-2-1 at Verizon Center.

--Washington was scheduled to have a day off Sunday but will now skate at 10:30 a.m. at KCI.

By Katie Carerra  | December 4, 2010; 10:50 PM ET
Categories:  Alex Ovechkin, Atlanta Thrashers, Bruce Boudreau, John Carlson  
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Comments

Katie - can you try to get a comment from the league on officiating? It seems like we're fast heading down to NBA, or even WWE territory here as far as quality of officiating.

Posted by: vtavgjoe | December 5, 2010 12:18 AM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps

I just watched the three fight videos of Stevens vs Dave Brown. What franchise in it's right mind lets toughest D-man to EVER roam the ice go at a young age.

This hockey franchise sucks, that's why so many of us have slowly drifted over to the darkside. This franchise needs to win a cUp to Flush (glad he's gone) all the bad memories.

To hear Ted talk about "the cUps will come in due time" makes me want to vomit. Win this thing now that Ovi and Backy are young. The future is now. Get this team playoff ready GMGM. We've been listening to the same dung flowing out of the Caps exec. offices for 35 years.

It is almost unbelievable when you think how much abuse this fan base has taken, yet we keep coming back. If we don't go deep, Ted needs to find a cUp winning coach and GM. This bull from George has gone on long enough.(I don't care that he has a J.D. after his name.) He's only smart if he has that cUp ring.

My fifth grade teacher (Sr.Rose) could have put a "beat down" on Schultz, Stecks, and Fehr. That's a pleasant thought when you think about us playing the Flyers in the playoffs !!!!

Love Bruce's carpet ads. I can picture Al Arbour or Scotty Bowman doing similar stuff during their careers.

Lastly, keep Alan May. He tells the truth. There was almost a "Halak-like" quality to he nontraffic in front of another "hot" goalie. Who, like Halak, is on his way to the Hall of Fame.

Hunter or May for Coach !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The carpet, bird calls, and jinxy "Big cUp" ads alone should get BB fired !!!!!!!!!

The guy is a goof.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | December 5, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps

I just watched the three fight videos of Stevens vs Dave Brown. What franchise in it's right mind lets toughest D-man to EVER roam the ice go at a young age.

This hockey franchise sucks, that's why so many of us have slowly drifted over to the darkside. This franchise needs to win a cUp to Flush (glad he's gone) all the bad memories.

To hear Ted talk about "the cUps will come in due time" makes me want to vomit. Win this thing now that Ovi and Backy are young. The future is now. Get this team playoff ready GMGM. We've been listening to the same dung flowing out of the Caps exec. offices for 35 years.

It is almost unbelievable when you think how much abuse this fan base has taken, yet we keep coming back. If we don't go deep, Ted needs to find a cUp winning coach and GM. This bull from George has gone on long enough.(I don't care that he has a J.D. after his name.) He's only smart if he has that cUp ring.

My fifth grade teacher (Sr.Rose) could have put a "beat down" on Schultz, Stecks, and Fehr. That's a pleasant thought when you think about us playing the Flyers in the playoffs !!!!

Love Bruce's carpet ads. I can picture Al Arbour or Scotty Bowman doing similar stuff during their careers.

Lastly, keep Alan May. He tells the truth. There was almost a "Halak-like" quality to he nontraffic in front of another "hot" goalie. Who, like Halak, is on his way to the Hall of Fame.

Hunter or May for Coach !!!!!!!!!!!!!
The carpet, bird calls, and jinxy "Big cUp" ads alone should get BB fired !!!!!!!!!

The guy is a goof.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | December 5, 2010 12:39 AM | Report abuse

@hunterforcoach

you want to read something hilarious, and have some downtime, check out my posts from the "alex goal statistic thread"...a fan actually argued that stevens style while w/caps was selfish and detrimental to the team...too funny

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 12:50 AM | Report abuse

i only tell you because i invoked you in one or some of the posts....didn't want to put words in your mouth, but i think what i said would've met your approval

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 12:52 AM | Report abuse

@hunterforcoach

I think every Caps fan should watch the Bruins history special on NHL Network. Do you know how many times that franchise got raped by the Canadians in the playoffs?? All that history, tradition and talent = and, all they have to show is a cup win from a time that is BC (Before Caps) -- 1972 being the last one.

Get some perspective: climbing that mountain is amazingly tough. Frankly, I think Atlanta Thrashers is the darkest horse in the Eastern Conference. They are a gritty, hardworking team with sprinkles of young sniper talent, and Pavelic's return has filled in the final piece.

We lost to a really good team tonight and I had the same feeling after we lost to the Canadians last December -- I muttered "I really don't want to see these guys in the playoffs". I say that about the Thrashers this year!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | December 5, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

@hunter

as for #55, i have sworn to refer to him only as Dork until one simple thing has been satisfied: he aggressively support/stick up for a teammate to atone for his pathetic, unforgivable no-support of a fallen teammate and Ott pawing at Ovi in Dallas. I invite you to do the same, as the mere mention of his name is an insult to all the great ones who wore the red, white, and blue. (and white and blue, and red and white) i think it's safe to say the name Dork will be seen on these threads for the foreseeable future

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 1:01 AM | Report abuse

@political strategist (my post from the previous thread)


It's always something the Caps run into, eh? A hot goalie, smaller/quicker teams, trapping systems, etc...I say baloney. We've got for more talent than Atlanta, and superior talent + superior determination will carry the day more often than not. The problem lies w/BB; too many optional practices, letting Ovi take too long shifts, putting his favoritism on display for all to see by announcing who's going to play long before the fact, he despises rough and tumble hockey and the thought of using that dynamic to alter a game is foreign to him. I'm sorry, Capsfan, but if we're fearing Atlanta then we're nowhere close to SC material. (Atlanta's an up and coming team, no doubt, but if you see them as a major obstacle, I won't ask about Boston, Philly, Pitts, etc)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

@Hunterforcoach

I'm not sure hiring Dale Hunter as the Caps head coach would be the answer, frankly.

While no offense to his coaching skills and he certainly sounds like a good junior coach, he would need some experience at the pro level, even in the AHL, before he'd be ready to coach at the NHL level. Either assistant coach for the NHL or head coach in the AHL.

What's Alan May's coaching background anyhow?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 5, 2010 1:13 AM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps

I'm not making any claims that the Caps are Stanley Cup material.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 5, 2010 1:17 AM | Report abuse

Good to see that the Caps are having practice tomorrow.

They need to practice the types of techniques that can beat trap style teams.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 5, 2010 1:20 AM | Report abuse

@political
@vermont

Man, if you fear the Thrashers, we've gained nothing from the loss to "Hal Gill and the Smurfs" from last year. Atlanta is just scappy. Like Vermont is telling ya', wait until we meet scrappy and talented. When the Canadian and American boys start playing "smash mouth" playoff hockey, we're all gonna' wonder what happened to all that goal scoring ability.

Vermont, I can't call Schultz "Dork" yet, but if he doesn't play with heart and grit in the playoffs again, I will.

I'm all or for dumping anyone who is unwilling to give their left n** to win this thing.(That includes Semin)

I look at the peronel the Pens and Flyers have assembled. Only a gritty bunch is going to get by those teams in the Spring.
Flush is gone, now maybe the other floater (Fehr) can be moved for a "playoff type guy"

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | December 5, 2010 1:27 AM | Report abuse

strange how atlanta continues to beat us w/boulton in their lineup yet DJK can't crack ours. is it just coincidence that the only time we beat atlanta was when Johnny E. beat up boulton? it was disappointing that someone didn't try to energize the building after we fell down 2-0 w/a fight, but truth is we didn't have anyone on the bench who could hang with any of atlanta's willing partners. erskine misses 1st game of the year, and the absence of his hustle was evidenced by dork's play. as for steckel, that was an embarassing momemt from the knee to his beatdown. on a positive note, it was a better showing than his last fight. and the sad thing is, w/toronto coming w/orr and rosehill now in the lineup, my guess is bb will think long and hard about DJK (it should be a no-brainer, but who knows w/him)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 1:29 AM | Report abuse

@capsfan75
@ political

Neither has extensive coaching experience. They both know what it takes to win in the playoffs. Period. The only guy playing "Angry" on this team got chucked under the bus by a "need a big cup holder" AHL coach. That's John Erskine.

@political

I still remeber Orr sailing through the air after that goal. So, the B's have one one. We got nothin' but a promise "the cUps will come in due time" Come on, this fan base is educated. That's smoke up my bomb bay Ted.

The 35 years of "nonplayoff behavior" from the Caps front office and bench guys is mind blowing. Erskine is the team MVP up to this point (Maybe Semin too.) Weird !!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | December 5, 2010 1:40 AM | Report abuse

The overreaction of some people on here is absolutely comical.

Seriously, Erskine as MVP? Ask any GM or coach in the NHL to list the most valuable players on the Caps this year, Erskine might make #20. Might.

The comment is so ridiculous it really isn't even worth evaluating.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 5, 2010 1:51 AM | Report abuse

@vermont

I just read the quotes from BB's conferance. BB if the goal scorers are not willing to get their noses dirty ask GMGM to trade them. "Dirty nose" goals win in the playoffs. We needed 2 "dirty nose" goals in the Habs series, and instead the new golden boy ,Semin, chuckin' Hail Mary's from 30 feet away. Fehr was, well, Fehr. Biggest waist of 6 foot 4inch on a winger in this league to date. If Fehr really wanted to win a cUp, he would be a bull inside a china shop in front of that goal crease. He's huge, but Dino was ten times tougher in front (all 5 foot 8 inch of him)

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | December 5, 2010 2:00 AM | Report abuse

I remember when we soured on Hatcher, in large part, because of unwillingness to display the intensity and intimidation we all knew he was capable of. We traded him for Tinordi, he provided what Hatcher wouldn't, and the rest is history. I have soured on #55 because everyone agrees he's incapable of displaying an edge. It's not that he won't, like Hatcher, it's that he can't. We don't need his "steady play" anymore than we needed Hatcher's goals. Start playing Hannan w/Green right now so they can develop some chemistry, and Tinordi I mean Erskine can play w/Poti when healthy. Get well Johnny E.!!

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 2:01 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

You're ridiculous. John sets a tone out there that this an NHL hockey game. He plays his heart out. He gives max. effort every shift. He forces teammates to match his intensity level. There are so many wimpy floaters on this team, that they need a guy like Erskine to embarass them into playing at an NHL level. The Thrashers stink !

No, John isn't that talented, but we need his heart and pride out there. Lord knows there aren't too many guys out there with much heart and pride. Besides, "old one trick pony" Stecks needs John out there to fight for him. Man, BB fields a wimp line up. (Sit DLK and John, real bright!!)

Yes, Erskine is the MVP to date. Only player playing "Angry"

I'm starting to get into the "Flush zone" with Fehr. Not a play off guy, George.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | December 5, 2010 2:14 AM | Report abuse

We could also pair Alzner w/Green to utilize his wealth of previous leadership and championship experience against other team's top lines; Hannan's calming veteran presence paired with Carlson would enable him to open-up even more offensively

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 2:19 AM | Report abuse

With Toronto coming to town, it would be nice if they left w/BB and left us w/Ron Wilson!! (Much love to Ronny, the creator of the best 4th line in the history of the game: Hunter, Simon, Berube)....it would alleviate some of the problems for both teams

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

WE WOULD DOMINATE IF ONLY:
ovechkin-backstrom-knuble
laich-majo-semin
hendricks-chimera-fehr
king-gordon-bradley

alzner/hannan-green
alzner/hannan-carlson
poti-erskine

**whoever wins #1 battle rest of season

Steckel's faceoff % and dork's inflated +/- from a year ago might be of interest to some teams, maybe they can be packaged to get help up the middle. Same w/Fehr, who should be told to pick up his hitting and start scoring, you can only live off your noble showing in Dallas so long

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 2:46 AM | Report abuse

It may have been discussed already (I'm not going to read every comment in the last 12 hours), but I'm surprised that the Caps weren't more ready for last night. After the shutout last time, there was a guy on the Thrashers talking a bunch of ish about how the Caps weren't too great and if you worked hard enough, you could beat them (isn't that true about any team though?). I dunno, maybe the guy had a point though. Maybe hard work and an above average goalie is all a team needs.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | December 5, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

Schultz looked horible on that Atlanta power play goal. As said earlier, it is time to change up the D pairings. Schultz needs to be a healthy scratch a few times. Maybe he will wake up.

Posted by: kjohnskipc | December 5, 2010 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Schultz looked horrible on the Atlanta power play goal. As has already been mentioned above, maybe it is time to change the D pairings. The offense pairings are changed as the wind blows. Why not tinker with the D. When Poti and Erskine are healthy, Scultz needs a few games as a healthy scratch. Maybe that will wake him up.

Posted by: kjohnskipc | December 5, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

is it impossible to ignore the fact that some people lay it on heavily here following only losses?

Posted by: rh71 | December 5, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Well switch an A for a M (Atl versus Mtl) and we have this year's team with the Caps' number. The Caps need a disciplinarian coach. The Caps are streaky, no doubt about it. Part it is coaching inconsistency and players not willing to play tough (e.g. Flash, Fehr, and Schultz). But being owned by Atlanta, come on, that is NOT acceptable for a team who has announced that anything short of a cup is unacceptable. I like the new system BB has put in place emphasizing team defense, but he has to get the players to buy into it consistently. And some net traffic consistently on PP's and the cycle would be nice.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS2 | December 5, 2010 9:45 AM | Report abuse

@rh71

I've been singing this tune since last year, and if you want to hoist the cup you'll join the chorus, too

@sgm3
@hunterfor coach

It might be somewhat of a stretch to name Erskine team MVP, but he UNDOUBTEDLY is the team's backline MVP on stats alone.
Let's see : 1st on team in hits/blocked shots/fights.....he's 2nd in goals and 3rd in points. In +/- he's 2 better than Alzner and only 2 worse than Dork, all this playing with constantly rotating w/4 different partners and 2 are ahl-caliber at best. His heart and determination are on display EVERY shift, and he absolutely never floats around the ice like a prima dona entitled to his ice time. He has TWICE as many fights as the rest of the backline COMBINED. He doesn't skip optional practices and he leads by example, sticking up for teammates while other dmen watch their goalie and up-and-coming rooking get run and do NOTHING about it. And what does #4 get for his efforts??? A big thanks-for-nothing by the coach, informing him he's only good enough to play if others are injured. BB needs to get his head out of his hole, stop with the favoritism, and hold his chosen ones accountable.

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I love the way Erskine gives it everything that he has each & every shift. However, he is just too slow for playoff hockey. When the game speed picks up a notch, Erskine doesn't have that other gear. He is a great 6-7th d-man and a true value to the team. But, he will sit again during the playoffs (which is the correct call).
A good player that gives his all...yes, the MVP...no.

Posted by: chriscaps | December 5, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Caps have far too many SOFT players like Schultz, Fehr, Semin,

Posted by: Drudge1 | December 5, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@chriscaps

did you not watch Erskine's playoff performances for this team? nobody outplayed him, EVER....if you just watched last year, BB inexplicably buried him on the bench. Playoff hockey? Erskine ooozes it. I guess, based on your logic, Philly will have a hard time combating speed w/Pronger, Meszaros, O'Donnell, and Walker in the lineup. You're wrong, chriscaps.....hustle, heart, and determination can negate skill/speed come playoff time. And you're saying Shultz, Poti, Hannan are all noticeably faster? Pleeeaassee...

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Erskine is a very good ROLE player, that's all he is and that's all he will ever be...

doesn't mean this team doesn't need him because he's still better than Sloan but if he's your MVP of your team or D then you're really in serious trouble.

Posted by: joek443 | December 5, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

The Caps have far too many SOFT players (not just Euros): Schultz, Fehr, Semin, Steckel, Gordon to name a few.
Also, this year nothing superior about Ovechkin's play. Trade #8 now (and that awful contract) like Quebec did when they rid themselves of Lindros and ultimately won Cups (in Colorado). Remember for the Calder Trophy it was GOALS that matter. Ovechkin's now taken over Crosby's secondary assist lead. “Mad Mike” is 100% correct about Ovechkin!

Posted by: Drudge1 | December 5, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Drudge1 -
Gear down there big shifter. Yes Atlanta has had the Caps number this year but everyone is talking a tad crazy here.

Posted by: j3rockstar | December 5, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

@joek443

seems like you and others are living off Erskine's reputation and the fact he didn't have any of the hoopla/hype or entitlements that came with your guys. He's now 30 and been in the league awhile, has avg. skills but off-the-chart intangibles, and provides exactly what the team needs now. Luckily, the numbers don't lie and when assessing the sum of the whole and what's expected of each individual player, he's outperforming every one of them. We know what he brings with the hits, blocked shots, and intimidation and it's not like we lose much offensively, either:

green/dork 5g 14a 19pts combined
carlson/alzner 4g 12a 16pts combined
erskine/et al 6 11a 17pts combined

So stop living off his role-playing days of yesteryear and NOTICE what he's doing NOW.

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

I would have no problem sitting Schultz because he's NO number one pair D no matter how good his plus/minus was last season.

I would pair Hannan with Green and move Schultz to the 3rd pair where he belongs.

The only way you can live with a Schultz type D is if he contributes on offense. A D-man who neither hits or can rush doesn't deserve the ice time he gets every game.

Posted by: joek443 | December 5, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

Yeah , trade OV, bench third and forth lines, team's in last place , Goals for are horrible, goals against in lower half, PP sucks PK sucks . Ahhh wait. Must be thinking of another team. I know vermontcaps etc have playing coaching exper. but get a reality check. Can't imagine the stuff you'd be spouting if this were the Leafs. Ah what's the use , every blog gets to be the same way either all rosy or all crap.
Sorry for the rant, guess my playing hockey four years in college and still playing at age 60+ and having watched the caps for 25+ years won't give any credit to my rant anyway.

Be good

Posted by: billd2 | December 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

As a coach, how can you not recognize and reward such caliber of play ? What messages are being sent to the others when BB instead opts to publicly show his favoritism? Talk about a coach doing all he can to undermine the value of heart, drive and determination to a team....banish dork to the press box and GMGM tell BB to get it together, this is the nhl and not pick-up hockey where teams are picked on friendships

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

@billd2

god bless, and may you keep-on keeing on

my posts are either critical or rosy because it's pretty black and white to me. Hockey fans are renowned for their obsession and passion, and thats what plays out on these threads. Everyone here has experience w/hockey on some level,too, we're just here to practice and celebrate free speech in this awesome country...so please, rant away :)

ps...i've been spouting such things about the team ever since we couldn't get out of the Patrick Division. If i was living in Md. still and could talk in person w/folks about the caps, i sure wouldn't be wasting my time here

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

vermontcaps , Understand. I remember shutting off the TV in the third OT, because I couldn't stand to watch the loss I knew was coming, then turning it back on to watch anyway. I get to five or ten games games each year and try to afford a playoff game or two. I can see the John Er. toughness and do like that aspect of his game, heart etc. but seems to stub his passes and panic an awful lot. Shultz is shultz enough said, but we still are changing the way we've played the last two years and the sucess so far is promising. A week ago we need Hannan and got him, Still a long way to go. Glass isn't half empty or half full . just too big.

Posted by: billd2 | December 5, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

"It might be somewhat of a stretch to name Erskine team MVP, "
Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 10:09 AM

Do ya think? Your man-crush on Erskine is beginning to get a little creepy.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | December 5, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Do you honestly want to get rid of Schultz? If you offer Schultz or Erskine to any GM in the league, everyone would want Schultz 1st. He is a solid stay at home d-man. Face it no matter how much we love Erskine & his tough, give it all game, he is just a borderline 6 or 7th d-man. I thought Hannan looked good last night, He is a good addition.
IMO the Caps are still learning the defense first style they need for the playoffs. I would agree that we need forwards to step up and screen the goalie. BB should give out a tape of T. Holmstrom and tell the forwards: "Anybody willing to do what this guy does is on the 1st PP unit."

Posted by: chriscaps | December 5, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

mass hysteria!
the sky is falling!

Posted by: ebolean1 | December 5, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@chriscaps

can you help me put his stats in perspective then? in the nhl, you go with whose performing

@wiley1

my crush isn't w/erskine, it's with dmen who play games in the style of stevens,tinordi,witt,daneyko, ya know?? believe me, i wish the team had others of his ilk so i could spread the love around and not seem so fixated on one person, but erskine's all we have in that regard. glad to see he's ready to go monday, now it's up to bb

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

typo in Carlson's quote ("quicklyl")

Posted by: mcintire_will | December 5, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

As has been starkly demonstrated for two straight playoffs [and counting], neither Fehr nor Schultz is built for playoff or Olympic-level hockey, where the pace of play picks up two notches; maybe it's possible to not be quick, or not be physical, but you can't combine both and be successful in the playoffs [slow and soft doesn't get it done]. Both typify GMGM drafts of yore however, falling in love with guys who excel at a slower pace and put up superior stats, and are tall, but neither strong nor quick. In today's NHL, you simply have to be able to move, or like an Erskine or a Pronger, hit anything that moves. But, GMGM drafted 'em both very high, so I fear we're stuck with 'em for the foreseeable future.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 5, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

@wiley1

just need to point out you excerpted that quote out of context...i was weighing in on their debate. thanks for reading closely

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I like a lot of the opinions here but to blame Schultz for The Caps lossing is silly. The Caps can not find the back of the net. Simple really. Hunter for Coach and Vermon stop blaming the D. Last nights game was not on them and the Dallas game was not on them. The hot goalie and our streaky offense is to blame.

Posted by: pkme | December 5, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

@pkme

i can't speak for hunter, but i didn't blame the "d" for last nights loss...re-read my posts, i simply want #55 OUT OF THE LINEUP AND IN THE PRESSBOX, and that goes for when we're winning or losing

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 5, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Trade Ovechkin? Are you joking?

It's a third of the way into the season. Every star player is allowed to have a slump once every six years.

Posted by: JB-RockTheRed | December 6, 2010 2:43 AM | Report abuse

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