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Alzner, Helmer and Machesney Sent Down

Defensemen Karl Alzner and Bryan Helmer, as well as goalie Daren Machesney, have been sent to Hershey, the Caps just announced.

It's possible all three will play for the Bears this weekend (against Wilkes-Barre/Scranton and Manchester). It's also possible that Alzner and/or Helmer will be back on Monday depending on the Caps' injury situation, I'm told.

Before leaving for the road trip, it sounded like Tom Poti, Shaone Morrisonn and Brent Johnson might be ready for Tuesday's game in Boston. But that probably won't be known for sure until Monday's practice.

Poti's return, of course, means there's no room for Alzner under the salary cap.


By Tarik El-Bashir  |  January 21, 2009; 12:31 PM ET
 
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Karl was great up here. The future is bright, and he is one injury away from being back.

Stay ready Karl. You are only 20, and played like a pro.

Posted by: SA-Town | January 21, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

What? Alzner? NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | January 21, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Alzner will be back next week right?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | January 21, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

He will be back. Hopefully sooner rather than later.

Posted by: Krazijoe | January 21, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

This could be to just keep him playing for the next week. OTOH, if Poti comes back, and no one is traded, there's no other solution.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@lylewimbledon

I dont think Karl will be back with Poti coming off LTIR (cap issue)

Posted by: robblahs | January 21, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense to send them down for the break, no need for the extra cap hit.

Posted by: Steve_R | January 21, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Drat. He'll be back soon though.

Hershey can keep the other two. ;)

Posted by: ratgurl46 | January 21, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Alzner will be back - either for the stretch run in March and beyond (hopefully) or next year. This is a difficult balancing act for GMGM: Alzner needs to play to get better (yes, he can get better) and there is no cap space when everyone is healthy. I am very optimistic that GMGM will get a deal done before the trade deadline that allows Alzner to be back. Besides a few bus rides over the next week is a good reminder of how good Alzner has it up here! ;)

Posted by: Section303 | January 21, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I believe the AHL break is this week too, so Poti will be back for Boston it sounds.

We still have a while before the trade deadline of March 4th. We will all just have to wait and see over the next stretch what the team can do. Trades aren't going to be easy to come by as we are on everyone's radar now, unlike last year.

Good for Backstrom for saying thanks but no thanks.

Posted by: caps28fan | January 21, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

who didnt know this was coming?

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

stay calm, all is well

we have the sexy lumberjack healthy now

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry about Alzner he will be back for the stretch run:

Is anyone more excited than me about the beginning of the stretch run?

Looking Ahead: Really really Good News UPDATE!!!

The last 21 games of the season the Caps schedule includes:

13 games against division foe
4 against Atlanta
3 against Tampa
3 against Florida
3 against carolina (2 at home)

2 games against the Maple Leafs

1 against the Bruins (A)
1 against the Penguins (H)
1 against the Flyers (A)
1 against the Predators (A)
1 against the Sabers (H)
1 against the Islanders (A)

Looking good for the stretch run...no rush to rush back Poti. Most surely do not rush Nylander back. Nylander and Jagr = really bad karma.


Posted by: windjammersouth | January 21, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Please trade Nylander.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | January 21, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

The Bears have games tonight, Friday and Saturday and then are off till the 30th. AHL All-Star Skills is Sunday and the Game (and Bruce's HOF Induction) is Monday.

Posted by: tess2201 | January 21, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The day will come when there's only 20 games left and windjammer will have to readjust his entire post.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Ten bucks says Alzner being "sent down" is for All-Star Week only, for a couple Ks of cap relief, and that he'll be "called up" next Tuesday morning before the game.

Posted by: ThisGuy | January 21, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

even if Poti wasn’t ready, this move would have been done. Why keep them up here if the Caps aren’t even playing? The Cap is calculated by number of days on the roster, so if nothing else we’re saving their daily cap hits from now until monday or tuesday of next week.

That being said, I think Karl stays down there until a significant trade occurs, or someone gets hurt.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | January 21, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Steve_R beat me to it.

Posted by: ThisGuy | January 21, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Ouch. That darn salary cap. Now the Caps are forced to put a young NHler back in the minors. We'll see what happens in 5 weeks at the trade deadline. I see the Caps moving a player or two if they can to releave cap space for the upcoming season. Players like Erskine, Morrison, and Clark are all expendable to us but could add a lot to other teams. Plus moving any one of those players will allow the cap space needed to bring Alzner back. Also, as the playoffs approach I believe the salary cap is a non-issue. That is a half guess salary cap experts, help me out with this one.

Posted by: fanohock1 | January 21, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

I hope you're lying about Alzner.


Think he and Poti make a good combo??

Posted by: dcox50 | January 21, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

That will be the day and I will. in the meantime we have newbies coming on board and they need to know there are no worries by the time the end of February appears.

Check emotion keep the glass full.

Keep your eye on the puck.

Posted by: windjammersouth | January 21, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I hope Fehr gets a chance to get comfortable, we need all of the young Canadians in the lineup for the playoffs!

Posted by: Freez | January 21, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

_stevo, I'm so glad Erskine is back. Just think how panicked we all would be if he was still on IR. ;-P

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@jmu

exactly

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

alzner will be back.

dont worry. im sure our GMGM is running around doing everything he can to put forth the best possible team when needed.

Posted by: richmondphil | January 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

CLUTTERBUCK...damn you, CLUTTERBUCK!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | January 21, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Isn't this just to save cap room for a week 6 days - simply because we don't have any games until Tuesday.

I'm not panicking. This is a salary cap move he'll be back on Tuesday.

Posted by: goskinsgo | January 21, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

Glad Nicky is skipping the All Star BS - he should be with the regular starters...but rest is more important than that farce.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | January 21, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I meant to say "save cap room for 6 days." Not "a week 6 days".

I'm sleepy from lunch

Posted by: goskinsgo | January 21, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

That being said, I think Karl stays down there until a significant trade occurs, or someone gets hurt.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | January 21, 2009 1:02 PM


See you with the big guys again soon, Mr. Alzner.

Posted by: Section117 | January 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Tarik ~ have you found out what happened to Johnny, and is he ok?

I'm not completely happy with having to rely on Jose quite this much.

Posted by: caryh | January 21, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Sending Alzner down is a good move since there is no reason for him to be sitting around for a week. Helmer is going to be in the AHL All-Star Game, so sending him down is a no-brainer. Machesny was here only in case of emergency.

Having Alzner play this weekend is a good thing, and I am sure he'll be back on Tuesday, Poti or not. There are ways to adjust things.

Personally, I'd love to see Poti and Alzner paired up. Their styles of play and ability to eat up 5-on-5 minutes would mesh perfectly.

Posted by: MikeL-Caps91 | January 21, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

from 12 hours ago:

richmondphil - can you not read? Or are you reading that as "can you read"?

"Considering the Caps have not allowed a even strength goal - I think that's pretty solid."

Where does that say the Caps have not SCORED an even strength goal?

Posted by: _828 | January 21, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, this may be a bit of a technical question about the salary cap. I have seen reports that the NHLPA will extend the collective bargaining agreement on Thursday.

Part of what I believe hamstrung the Caps this season is that in past years players bonuses under rookie contracts were applied to the following season, if earned. This year was different because of the unknown if the colelctive bargaining agreement was to be extended. That meant the full amounts of Backstrom's and Alzner's contracts were felt this season, even if bonuses were not earned this season. Now that the collective bargaining agreement is being extended does that change the math for application of salaries to the cap this season? If so, does that open up enough room to allow Alzner to stay in the NHL?

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | January 21, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Now that the collective bargaining agreement is being extended does that change the math for application of salaries to the cap this season? If so, does that open up enough room to allow Alzner to stay in the NHL?

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | January 21, 2009 1:51 PM

I'm pretty sure once it's set for the year, it's set, unless some act of God forced a cap adjustment or something.

Posted by: Section117 | January 21, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

@freakinandpeakin and 117- Interesting questions.

The Salary Cap IS indeed set, however the bonus cushion clause allows teams exceed the Salary cap by as much as 7.5% to cover potential bonuses.

Karl Alzner's salary is only 875,000 but his cap number including all potential bonuses, is 1,625,000. If the CBA is ratified, and if the bonus cushion comes back into play, the caps can exceed the Salary Cap to account for the extra 750K in potential bonuses owed to Alzner.

The flip side is that the following season they have to deduct whatever they exceed the cap in order to pay Karl's bonus from their cap ceiling the following season.

http://www.tsn.ca/columnists/bob_mckenzie/?id=249738&lid=sublink02&lpos=headlines_columnists-bob_mckenzie

Posted by: SombreroGuy | January 21, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Alzner has been playing great, no doubt. This was going to happen, just a matter of when. And it will just be a matter of time before he is back up here helping the Caps advance in the playoffs.

Queue up the Will Ferrell locker room clip.

Posted by: _Mark | January 21, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Bruce should have had them on the ice last night doing "Herbies" for that performance. Unacceptable!

Sluggo would have fixed this salary cap issue.

someone needs to slap Semin in the head so he get's his head back on straight. He was playing well and smart earlier; he's starting to take those stoopid penalties again. "and don't wait for the translation! I know you can understand me!"

Posted by: Leeguru | January 21, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Mark:
Voice of reason?!? I have not been called that in a loooong time!! ;-)

I will be curious to see if Alzner comes back after the break. My guess is no, but anything is possible. Regardless, he'll get back up here eventually. In the meantime it will be interesting to see how the Caps do with the ENTIRE team that they intended to suit up at the start of the season!!

Posted by: Boo- | January 21, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing that it's actually too late for a CBA extension to change the bonus rule and the salary cap rules are "set" for the season.

Posted by: koalatek | January 21, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

windjammer: In what sense, exactly, does your ceaseless repetition of widely available info contitute an "update"? You keep using that word. I do no' think i' means what you think i' means.

Posted by: redlineblue | January 21, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

The cap is set for this year. Ratification of the contract by the NHLPA means they're not walking out over the summer. Bonuses and salary cap calculations will be made like they were last year (with a float). Because the contract was not ratified in time, the teams couldn't authorize the float between years, so we're stuck this year with a firm cap ceiling.

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I think I'll take six days of and relax since I didn't get voted to the game. I'll find out what happened when I come back on Tuesday morning.

It's been a fantastic first half (sort of half) of the season and hopefully we can fun down the Bs. Opening after the break at Boston and home to the Wings won't allow for any let downs.

Have a nice break everyone.

Posted by: saintex | January 21, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S - Thanks. Thought that was the case.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | January 21, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Most welcome! Glad to be of service!

It's a shame we have to rehash the cap issue every time someone goes down or isn't traded, or...

I think we need to take windjammersouth's idea of copying previous responses to "why can't we keep _____ (fill in the player's name)", or "trade ______ the bum so we can bring up _____."

This question was a good one about the cap. I don't think it's been discussed in awhile - like months.

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Wizards fan here. I'm actually a fan of all DC sports, born and raised. I've been cruising the blogs this morning, and I often find myself reading the Caps blog every so often. I am a Caps fan, just not as hardcore as many of you. I've always just been more of a basketball-football type of guy.

Now to business, it is hilarious to read some of these comments on here. It is almost as if you folks expect the Caps to go 82-0. Fact is, the Caps have the 2nd best record in the East at the break, and 4th best overall in the NHL. Come on folks, they are going to lose tough games every once in a while. The caps were playing in the second game of a back to back, and lose by one goal, and I am reading comments about how the Caps need to make changes, do this, do that, and so on. It is hilarious. The Caps problems are minor, just try being a Wizards fan for a day or two. 90% of the teams in the NHL would LOVE to be in the Caps position heading in to the break. Get a grip on reality people. IF the Wizards had the 2nd best record in the Easr right now, I'd be jumping for joy, just like you should be.

Posted by: cj658 | January 21, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Now that the regular season has ground to a temporary halt. Its a bit early still, but the Olympic chatter has already started.

http://www.gunaxin.com/2010-vancouver-winter-olympics-ice-hockey-preview-canada-russia-unitedstates-sweden-finland-czech-slovakia/3949

There's a Capital or Capital prospect with a good chance of making every one of the "Big Seven" teams except the US team. I guess there's no love for DStecks. =P The only "omission" I have an issue with is Osala. I think he might have a chance at making Finland's team.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

i dont think anyone is really freaking out. we are discussing the possibilities of having our best rookie this season stay with us, given the cap situation.

this is the best regular season capitals we have ever seen and we acknowledge it. it came off a gritty rebuild, and beleive me, we are all happy.

Posted by: richmondphil | January 21, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Alzner being sent down might be a reward for a good job lately. He will miss the next practice or two the Caps will have....I am sure these next few practices will be tough on the guys...

We all want the best for the Caps, thats why we are all here,reading and commenting. What one fan thinks the Caps need to do, might be different from the next one. Lets just celabrate what they have accomplished so far, and move forward. Here is to a strong second half, many many wins, a better penalty killing unit, and the Pens not making the play-offs. (had to throw that one in)

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | January 21, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Alzner was not sent down to get cap space. There's no cap space saved by the move. Since Poti is on LTIR, the Caps are allowed to exceed to value of Poti's contract ($3.5M) on a temporary basis (until he comes back). Technically, Alzner ($1.675M), Helmer ($475K) and Machesney ($493K) were all feeding off the Poti money (do the math and there could have been another $850K worth of contracts on the Caps roster. None of them affect the cap, they are just all allowed to be with the club while Poti is out.

Second point - the AHL all-star game is probably the following weekend? So, if Alzner stayed up all this week, then got sent down Tuesday to make room for Poti, and then had to sit for the AHL break, he'd miss development time, wouldn't he?

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Easy question for someone. I recall reading that the total possible salary was the hit used to make up the cap. Once certain bonuses can no longer be in play they are removed from the salary. So if Semin had a bonus clause of 500k if he made the alstar game, we were paying that against the cap. however, he did not make the alstar game and therefore do we get cap relief? Same for maybe Green? That might be 1mil between those two guys. Anyone know if that is possible?

Posted by: jay18 | January 21, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Nice find JMU. I did not know Bondra was in charge of the Slovak team.

Posted by: richmondphil | January 21, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Alzner did well here but I wouldn't mind giving him the rest of the season to develop in Hershey as well.

On the other hand, I think it was a bad move to resign Erskine. We overpaid the guy

Posted by: hockeynightincanada | January 21, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

jay18, only rookies and guys over 35 can have bonuses in their contracts. Essentially, this means Backstrom and Alzner.

Posted by: koalatek | January 21, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Oops, guys on "entry-level contracts", not rookies.

Posted by: koalatek | January 21, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Curiosity question...

of all of the defensemen to call up from Hershey (excluding Alzner), how come we haven't seen Lepisto?? I know he struggled his last few games with Washington, but has he fallen out of the mix to get called up?? We've seen Sloan, Helmer and Collins be called up ahead of Lepisto. Is it because the organization wants him to develop more down in Hershey, or because they no longer see him as a future prospect with the big club?

Posted by: dcox50 | January 21, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

(i) "Averaged Club Salary." "Averaged Club Salary" shall mean the
entire aggregate amount committed by each Club in a League
Year, calculated daily ..."

Source: CBA Section 50.5(d)

it's calculated daily, so yes, moving Alzner's salary does free up cap room.

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

We have seen Lepisto this season. As I recall, it wasn't particularly stunning.

Posted by: saintex | January 21, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@jmu

how do they have pronger and boumeister over erskine on the canadian team. Other than that huge mistake, article was on point

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Anyone besides me going to "Caps Night" at the Hershey Bears this Saturday? I'll plan to kidnap Alzner and bring him back to Arlington...

Posted by: Caps16Fan | January 21, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

dcox50: I can't answer for Tarik, but when these call-ups were made, one of Boudreau's explanations was that certain guys were called up to replace certain other guys. Specifically, Lepisto was called up to replace Green on the PP. I remember Boudreau making that explanation specifically as to why one forward might have been called up instead of another forward. That said, had Lepisto not struggled, he might have stayed. It's quite possible they detected a flaw in his game and more possible they won't reveal what it was.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Lepisto played in seven games between Nov 26th and Dec 7th:

4 assists
-3
6 PIMS
7 SOG
about 20 minutes of ice/game.

Posted by: saintex | January 21, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

jay18

If the player cannot attain the bonus, that part of the SPC would be released. IF Backstrom had a bonus for an appearance in the ASG in his SPC, we would get relieve in that amount. If it included both the ASG and/or YSG, we would not get relief as he decided on his own not to go (it was offered, so he could have gone).

I might be able to find the citations on this, but that's what I recall.

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

"it's calculated daily, so yes, moving Alzner's salary does free up cap room."

No, not the way it's been explained. The cap figure includes Poti's salary, and the team gets releif up to that amount. We are not $3.5M under (on a daily basis) because Poti is on LTIR. You'll notice the cap figure still includes full value for Semin, Feds, Clark, etc even though they spent time on LTIR. You are imply allowed to "replace" current LTIR value up to the full amount. Alzner is part of the Poti replacement amount. I think Sombrero Guy knows this better than anyone so maybe he can weigh in. Obviously I'm a cost estimator, not an NHL professional, so I might be wrong.

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=WAS&season=0809

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Poti will come back, strain something, and leave again, bringing Alzner back, probably even Helmer. Having Alzner around may keep us from trading for a defenseman, although Detroit is said to be offering a Lidstrom for Helmer and Nylander trade, which we should not turn down.

Posted by: gtydings | January 21, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1

I'm quoting the CBA, not a website interpretation of the CBA.

Poti being on LTIR relieves us of his cap hit. That enables us to bring up a less expensive player to replace him. We also could have skated without bringing up anyone and saved all of Poti's salary for those days. Bringing up Alzner ment that the daily prorata portion of his annual salary plus bonuses reduces the savings from Poti's LTIR. By sending Alzner back down, his daily charge doesn't hit the cap.

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

i dont like this at all. trade nylander, dump clark, do what it takes to keep this kid in the bigs. it slows his development in the ahl when he is basically leading our defense in minutes played for the real team. why tarik - why?

Posted by: capsfansince74 | January 21, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

Page 200-01 of the CBA, page 218-19 of the PDF.

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

mauree:
You out there?

Posted by: Boo- | January 21, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Greg S: I very respectfully believe you are misinterpretating the cap rules. I've also read this from Tarik I believe. The Caps are like at $57M in real cap usage. If Green missed half the season and went unreplaced, the team would not be $2.5M (half his salary) under. You are simply allowed to replace up to his salary while he's out, with no cap savings if you replace less than his salary. Again, look at the link I posted. It shows all the players who have been LTIR with still full cap hit for the year.

Again, I might be wrong, you might be wrong, we both might be wrong, but that's my last on it. Maybe Tarik will offer an explanation.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@ TominFL1

I was under the impression that we have a certain amount of money that can be spent per day for salaries. When a player goes on LTIR, that amount of cap space is freed up for use by other players. If the replacement players are less expensive than the missing cap hit, however, the leftovers are there to be put towards another day. I believe that was one of the things we (as a blog) were mad about when Fedorov came back about 9 games too early, and only a game away from being LTIR eligible.

But I, too, could be wrong.

Posted by: DrinkingPartner | January 21, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

GregS, Article 50.10d(ii) seems to disagree.

"The Player Salary (...) shall continue to counted toward the Club's Averaged Club Salary(...)"

Stupidly, the LTIR examples in the CBA all assume the LTIR player is out for the year.

Posted by: koalatek | January 21, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@gtydings
...although Detroit is said to be offering a Lidstrom for Helmer and Nylander trade, which we should not turn down.

Wow Buddy, what are you smoking? Maybe we can trade also Clarke for Kommisarek and Markov, or Erskine for Joe Thornton and Setaguchi. Or maybe the Lidstrom you are talking about is not Niklas but his sister Lydia....

Sorry, I had to...

Posted by: atybat | January 21, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

i think it was a joke

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

but erskine for thorton would be a no-go in my book

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1

I don't really have the time to do the math now, but the first thing I noticed on that site is the phrase "Bonus cushion" with $2.239 after it. There is no cushion this year which is the primary reason we're having this discussion.

I'll look at it tonight, though, when I need a break from doing my company's taxes - VA's already got their hand in my pockets for this year (2009).

Posted by: Greg S. | January 21, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm not Sombrero, but I've spent some time with my nose buried in the CBA. Sending Alzner down does not help with cap space, unless Poti is taken off LTIR immediately. With Poti on LTIR, we are allowed to exceed the cap by his salary. By sending Alzner down, we're simply not exceeding it any more.
Non-money example: Call your boss because traffic is worse than usual (Poti on LTIR). He gives you an extra 30 (Poti's salary) to get to work. Just because it only took you 15 (Alzner) to get there, doesn't mean you're allowed to be 15 minutes late tomorrow. That 30 minutes was a one-time exception, good for that day only. (I hope that makes sense)

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

If it makes more sense, I believe the CBA calls it "Long-term injured reserve exception" as in, the club is [exempt] from being under the cap by that player's salary while they are on LTIR.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

@atybat

Good one. I think Lydia Lidstrom and Cindy Crosby could form a new team.

Posted by: Caps16Fan | January 21, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

_stevo, I think it was a gross mistake on their part. Erskine for just Thornton might not fly but Erskine for Jumbo Joe *and* Setoguchi? He's doing pretty well this season...

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/allstar2009/news/story?id=3849655

are they trying to say crosby is tough by playing in an all-star game?

@jmu

maybe thorton, setoguchi, and a first rounder? setoguchi has been playing well this season and one of the few reasons i am not god-awful in fantasy

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

The Caps are in good position to make a deal to free up cap space before the trade deadline and allow Alzner to be on the playoff roster.

Alzer with Green are the future of the Washington Capitals on the backline, and experience in the postseason in 2009 I think will be invaluable to him. Incidentally, he has posted positive plus/minus numbers when playing for the parent club this season and would appear to be a better performer than at least 1 or 2 of the defenseman currently with NHL contracts.

It's hard to criticize a club like Washington that has made so many bright moves in the past 2-3 years with draft picks and signees, however, I just don't understand what they are trying to accomplish on the backline.

An extension for John Erskine? His physical style may be a needed ingredient come playoff time, but the Caps have to find it in a player who can skate better than Erskine and show at least some ability to handle the puck.

I also am very leery of counting on Tom Poti. He has definite skills, but since his arrival has been on IR perhaps more than any other player. At 31 he is no longer an 80 game performer IMO.

If the club can deal Poti or Kozlov before the deadline and acquire a veteran defenseman with better size and strength in front of the net (but better skills than Erskine)that would really help get over the hump in Round 1 of the playoffs.

Posted by: leopard09 | January 21, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

In response to the Wizards fan, the Caps did not play well in either of their past 2 games. The club was bailed out on Long Island by the individual skill of Alex Ovechkin.

Last night the club played ONE period against Ottawa. It wasn't necessarily the outcome but HOW the team played that was troubling.

The Caps are developing that nasty habit of playing up or down to the competition.

Sky-high best efforts to beat Pittsburgh or Boston, but middling efforts against teams like the Islanders and Blue Jackets.

The other nasty habit and one that must be corrected is that of Alexander Semin taking poor penalties at exactly the wrong time.

Last night he hooked down in open ice Daniel Alfredsson with only 1:42 left on the game clock.

The Senators were unable to score on Washington through 60 minutes at even strength, needing the power play to stay at 2-2 with the Caps.

So, in those last two minutes the Caps should have been reluctant to take any penalties other than one to protect Theodore in case there was an open shot at the net in front.

But Semin took his penalty at center ice!

Semin has all the talent in the world but needs to use his head and stop hurting the team in these situations.

Posted by: leopard09 | January 21, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

@JMU - Sending Alzner, Cheese and Helmer down does not help with cap space, but it does cost Uncle Ted a little less money....i think.

Since the player cap hits are based on days on the roster, I can only assume the same goes for their actual Salaries. Those guys make less in the minors than they do on the big boy roster so by sending them down when the team is off for a week, they save actual out of pocket money each day

Posted by: SombreroGuy | January 21, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes, you just have to feel absolute pity for the Islanders. http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=264012&lid=sublink06&lpos=headlines_nhl
I believe he said that quote last season too.
And I guess for all our "cap problems", we don't have this one, either: http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=264083&lid=sublink02&lpos=headlines_nhl

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Sombrero, Yeah, I think you're right on both counts.
_stevo, Haha, you're hilarious. Now I know you're man-crush has diluted your common sense. I highly doubt the Sharks would part with Thornton, Setoguchi *and* a first rounder. Maybe second rounder. =P

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 21, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Re: Caps16Fan: Anyone besides me going to "Caps Night" at the Hershey Bears this Saturday? I'll plan to kidnap Alzner and bring him back to Arlington...

I'll pitch in for gas money and a hotel room for Alzner. Keep him comfy until the game against the Bruins. =P

hAhAhA

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | January 21, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Don't worry, Carl will be back as soon as GMGM can unload one or more of the following for 2nd round draft picks or better:

Nylander, Clark, Poti, Pothier (Long term)

Any takers for the under-performing/injured highly paid folks? Anyone? Bueller?

Posted by: oldtimehockey | January 21, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

And I realize its Karl. Sorry.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | January 21, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Wait... the Bears are playing in Manchester?? Oh......Manchester NH. Damm.

I'm back after a very long day in Liverpool. Imagine you lot having to be at meetings all day in Philly. Then double it. Yeah, that's nearly an eighth of my day.

Talking about the whole playing up/playing down thing. We played Pittsburgh when the had won something like 2 of their previous 9. Hardly high flyers. How come if we play down to teams with bad records we won?

Also, when the playoffs start there are no bad teams left (well not as bad as the Isles anyway). Why worry if we play up to good opposition, this can mean only good things come April/May/June.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | January 21, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

The Red Wings just offered Datysuk with Lidstrom for Helmer and Nylander, because McPhee wouldn't budge.

His quote about Nylander: "The Capitals are not shopping Michael, his offensive firepower, overwhelming physical presence on the ice, and his ability to shut down top forwards on opposing teams is too valuable to this team. We think Lidstrom would be a significant downgrade to our team, especially given the recent play by Pothier, Poti and Jurcina"

Posted by: gtydings | January 21, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

@jmu

its not a deal without that first rounder, the sexy lumberjack is just too good

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

@leopard09:

Alzner I believe can be on the playoff roster regardless. Once again, I can be wrong, just ask my wife (who never is), but there's no cap in the playoffs.

Here's the best case/worst case: No one goes on LTIR the rest of the season. Alzner stays in Hershey. Eventually, his bonuses become unattainable and drop from the cap equation. He reverts to $850K or so rather than $1.675M. Somewhere around 2-3 weeks left in the season, there's enough cap pennies to barely allow him on the big roster for the rest of the regular season. That reacquaints him to NHL play and readies him for Round 1 vs the Rangers.

I think this was their plan all along - to bring him up sometime in Feb after bonuses unattainable. The injuries threw a money wrench into those plans, but the end result will be the same.

Is it cold there in DC/Baltimore? I just completely covered the lemon and lime tree to hopefully ensure 2010's margaritas (for Stanley Cup celebration). Supposed to be - gads - 25 here tonight with six hour freeze. Gotta turn the pool pump on too. Life sometimes is completely inhumane. I'm actually wearing long pants, socks, a sweatshirt and a hoodie.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

Holy Smokes!!!
I am willing to weigh in on almost any hockey issue, but the salary cap stuff is absolutely dizzying.
Way outta my league.
Kudos to any of you that are willing to take the time to research that junk.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 21, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

re: Lepisto.

His entry-level deal is up. He is RFA after the season. This means next year, I think, unless he signs a minor league deal, is either Caps or waivers.

Likely occurences with Lepisto IMHO:

1) They trade him to a team lacking D. 50%.
2) He signs a RFA offer and the Caps take the compensation. 20%.
3) The Caps move enough other people that Lepisto makes he squad and stays all year. 10%.
4) He can't get a NHL offer and signa minor league deal, somewhere. 10%.

I could be wrong, of course, but from reading everthing here earlier vis-a-vis Fehr, once the entry level deal is done, they either make the big club or get exposed to waivers. This is also true with Fehr, Gordo, Bourque, Machesney, Jurcina, Morrisonn, Collins and Schultz. The Caps therefore stand to lose some depth. Machesney is an especially interesting case, as he clearly has value and they don't want to lose him. Remember: all of these players can be retained by making qualifying offers, so at least you can get draft-choice compensation, but no way can the Caps (it seems) make room for all of them next year. There's definitely some juggling near term for GM to make.

Signed, tominfreezingFL

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 7:31 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Playing the Rangers in the first round of the NHL playoffs wouldn't be the best-case scenario, would it?

Just joking.

Posted by: Cerealman | January 21, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Cerealman:

1 Boston 46 33 8 5 71 #1
2 Washington 48 30 15 3 63 #2
3 NY Rangers 48 28 16 4 60 #6
4 Montreal 45 27 12 6 60 #4
5 New Jersey 46 28 15 3 59 #5
6 Philadelphia 45 24 12 9 57 #3
7 Buffalo 46 24 17 5 53 #7
8 Carolina 48 23 20 5 51 #8

I put how I think they will end in seedings (the # at the end). It does seem more likely that Buffalo will be #7 (I am assuming Pitt self destructs and Florida doesn't have enough). Caps match up well I feel against Sabres. This makes Round 2 Caps vs Flyers and Boston vs Habs or Devils. When does Brodeur come back?

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

marty is supposed to come back in march.

i have no problems with the rags, they are easily the least consistent top team in the East.

Posted by: richmondphil | January 21, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

i dont have the numbers either, but i know they have to be up there in teams to take wins in shootouts. doesnt help you in playoffs.

Posted by: richmondphil | January 21, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Bears update:
at Norfolk tonight. Midway through the 2nd period. Bears lead 4-2...goals by Graham Mink, Pat McNeill, Kyle Wilson, Keith Aucoin. Machesney in goal, Varly backing up.

Posted by: tess2201 | January 21, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil: As #2 seed, Caps it seems would get Rangers, Sabres or Hurricanes. The Caps match up well with all three since they are all too good to take lightly (we hope). The Rangers seem to be the classic quick-exit playoff team (think Ottawa last year or also the Pens if they make it this year). The Caps I think shouldn't lose to either Sabres or Canes as we are just good enough to be good enough that they can't get us for 4 wins.

Honestly, the only interesting series in the first round in the East might be Montreal vs the Devils. That should be a 7-gamer with the winner taking on a very-well rested Boston (fresh off 4-1 victory over Canes).

Round 2 - I don't care what they have out West, Caps - Flyers has to be the premier match-up. Boston vs Habs would be tops in Canada while Boston - Devils would be hot in the States.

West - I don't stay up late enough to pay attention. It really seems though 75% chance or so either Detroit or San Jose. Calgary maybe on goaltending and I can't believe Chicago.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Bears update:
Middle of the 3rd, Bears lead 6-2. Additional goal by Chris Bourque and another one by Kyle Wilson.
By the way, Alzner and Helmer are not playing, probably because they both played for the Caps Mon and Tues. Both are expected to be in the lineup Fri and Sat (both are home games if anyone feels like making the drive up to Hershey)

Posted by: tess2201 | January 21, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

The Caps match up well with everyone in the East except Boston. Hopefully Boston will draw Atlanta in the opening round, lose and the Eastern Conference Finals will pit Wash vs. Tampa Bay.

And in the Stanley Cup, it will be Washington vs. LA Kings

Posted by: gtydings | January 21, 2009 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Let's not get ahead of ourselves, folks. Anything can happen between now and April - let's just take it one day (i.e. win) at a time! :-)

This is kinda interesting - new zebra shirts for the ASG:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=405343

(Tom - you're a little evil, aren't you?)

Posted by: --Boo-- | January 21, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

BTW, here's a great preview of the ASG breakaway challenge:
http://www.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=15&id=30904
Looks like Ovie has set the standard - the other boys are steppin' up their games! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | January 21, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Bears win 6-2.
No goals for Alex Giroux, so the streak has ended at 15.

Shots on goal: Hershey 34, Norfolk 47.

Three stars: #1 Wilson, #2 Aucoin, #3 Q.Laing

Posted by: tess2201 | January 21, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

tess:
WOW!! SOG/goal story VERY interesing!! Who was in goal? Good for them. (And I have a soft-spot for Laing, so good for him! :-))

Posted by: --Boo-- | January 21, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Boo:
Machesney was in goal.

Posted by: tess2201 | January 21, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

-Boo-

You really don't know the extent of my "evilness." My wife says I get a "Giant K" - for "kako," which is "bad" in Greek.

Tonight I proved my "kakoness." First I covered the lemon and lime trees with blankets and bedsheets and put Christmas lights inside and with the lemon tree a hanging light from the garage. It is 38 under the lemon tree contraption and God willing we won't lose the tree. The little lime tree is completely covered and hopefully the same.

Now to "badness."

The old lady - widow - up the street has a really wonderful ruby red grapefruit that mixes exceptionally well with Tanqueray. I'm thinking (I do that sometimes), "Why let them all freeze and waste?" So I walked down the street and noticed a few hanging over the fence to the common area (can anyone define "few?") and I picked like 50. Let me tell you, a tumbler with 8 oz fresh grapefruit and a shot of Tanq and ice after a bottle of wine - I call this my "Overtime goal."

Better that than I get to the "Shootout."

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Tess:
Good for Cheese! :-)

Tom:
Talking about how "cold" it is there is a little evil ... stealing fruit from a little old lady is WAY evil! Is your middle name Damian?!?

Posted by: --Boo-- | January 21, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Clark: "I gotta tell you boys, there's no better way to spend the break than on the beach in Florida."
Semin: "Can anyone lend some sunscreen?"
Clark: "Which SPF do you want?"
Semin: "What do you have?"
Erskine: "I have 4."
Fedorov: "Ovie lent me some 8."
Gordon: "I've got 15."
Jim Carey: "I used to have 30."
Theodore: "I have some 60."
Clark: "Sixty? SIXTY!? I gotta tell you boys, as your captain, don't be using that sixty or you won't be rockin' the red with any color at all."
Theo: "Clarkie, are you making fun of my sunscreen?"
Ivan Labre: "Heh, heh! Sacre bleu! I got 7!"
Semin: "I didn't know they made a sunscreen number seven."
Fedorov: "Only Labre can use it."
Crosby: "If anyone wants some eighty-seven, turn around and bend over and I will give it to you."
Brashear: "Get outta here, punk, and go back to your team."

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

-Boo-

I borrowed the fruit.

Tom

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

I know that Bruce has been a revelation as coach but to be honest, i've been reading some of the comments he's made in the last few weeks and his grilling of certain players and throwing guys under the bus may not be the best way to go about it. Grilling guys in the locker room is one thing but killing them in the press is unacceptable. If he's not careful he's gonna go to coach of the year to the most hated coach in Washington among his own players. It's what ran Ron Wilson out of this organization pretty quickly too.

Posted by: blanknerc | January 21, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

Not counting chickens yet, but ...

I'd love for the Capitals to play the Sabres in the first round. :)

Posted by: Cerealman | January 21, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

dcox50: I can't answer for Tarik, but when these call-ups were made, one of Boudreau's explanations was that certain guys were called up to replace certain other guys. Specifically, Lepisto was called up to replace Green on the PP. I remember Boudreau making that explanation specifically as to why one forward might have been called up instead of another forward. That said, had Lepisto not struggled, he might have stayed. It's quite possible they detected a flaw in his game and more possible they won't reveal what it was.

Posted by: tominfl1 | January 21, 2009 3:43 PM


Sami was brought up to replace Green because Boudreau wanted to replace Green's turnovers with a similar mistake-prone player. Consistency ya know! :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 21, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

come on cerealman....ask for the flyers again in the first round, thats what i want, to send those pretty little dbags back to their loser fans crying

Posted by: _stevo | January 21, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

You think the Flyers will make the playoffs??

Kidding.

I'd love to knock them out in the second round. First Buffalo, then Philly, then whoever ...

Posted by: Cerealman | January 21, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

please, anyone but the Flyers in the first round. My poor heart can't take that. Worse, it would be like re-living the 1990s/early 2000s with all those "Whaddya mean we're matched up with the Penguins, AGAIN?!?!?!?!"

Posted by: RedBirdie | January 21, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

Such pretty zebra stripes. And I'm completely against the Flyers in the first round. I'll take pretty much anyone else.

tominfl, It was actually a pretty nice day out today, 31. Oh, and no fair poking fun at 60 SPF. (I spent the first 20 years of my life using SPF Ovie, not burning, and making fun of my fair-skinned brother and I needed 75 to make it through last summer)

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | January 22, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

I heard Brian pot was back skating again any word on his timeline to return?

Posted by: Dipssince78 | January 22, 2009 2:20 AM | Report abuse

@Dipssince78
Jumping in late here, but...
Pothier has been skating for some time -- they work the injured guys pretty hard -- and was expected to get a full clearance about 2 wks ago. He flew out to see the leading concussion specialist in Denver, however, who declared he was not as ready to come back FT as expected. Obviously, he was very disappointed. Will be interesting to see how it all works out.

Posted by: Caps16Fan | January 22, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

Caps16Fan, cheers for the update on Brian Pot. Being a DC boy stuck in NC; there is great weather, cheap golf, but no love for the caps. Thanks again.

Posted by: Dipssince78 | January 23, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

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