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Alzner Signed to Entry Level Deal (Updated)

The Caps have signed 2007 first round draft pick Karl Alzner (fifth overall) to a three-year entry level deal. The 19-year-old was the WHL's player of the year and defenseman of the year and figures to have a pretty good shot of spending next season in Washington.

I'll try to track down his contract figures later, but as you know, I'm in Indianapolis working on some other stuff and will be busy until late tonight.

Update:Alzner will earn $875,000 each season of his entry level (including his signing bonus), and will be eligible for $800,000 more in bonuses each season.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  May 22, 2008; 1:37 PM ET
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Yeah! Finally some movement in signing!

Posted by: Danny | May 22, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Great news! Can't wait to see him in action.

Posted by: RobMonroe | May 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Great news!! Does this mean our top-4 D-men pairings are set?

Posted by: BashEmBrashear | May 22, 2008 2:14 PM | Report abuse

anyone notice the time of the post from Tarik, as in there can only be 1 37!!!! I miss Olie :(

Posted by: #37 | May 22, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

And here i thought 137 stood for the # of goals he gave up in half a season.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

sorry that was a slap shot that got by. I mean cheap shot

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 2:32 PM | Report abuse

jeez 2:20 a bit harsh considering the man is offically gone and was a class act in the organization for over 15 years.

now we need to move on to signing huet for a couple of years and feds for a reasonably priced year. im ok with not resigning cook because we'll have clark back...can never have too many productive centers though

Posted by: pat | May 22, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

its ok, I understand, but I agree that we could use a couple more Dale Hunters on our team

Posted by: #37 | May 22, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Why is it that so many people think Alzner is ready for the NHL now? Lots of guys have been WHL player of the year and done nothing in the NHL. Why rush his development?

We have Green, ShaMo, Poti, Schultz, Erskine, Eminger and Jurcina not counting Pothier. There is no way he is better than Poti, ShaMo, Green, Eminger (playoff version). At his current development, he might challenge Erskine, Schultz and Jurcina but doubtful.

If we call Alzner up, it means he gets 5-10 minutes per night as a 6-7 defenseman and affects our cap even more, which already is going to be a consideration.

Let him play in Hershey for a year. That gives us some time to resolve our corps and he gets to season some more.

Posted by: BePatientwithAlzner | May 22, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I forgot Lepisto up there, he is also technically ahead of Alzner and could compete for a full-time spot. He did not look great but also not bad during his call-ups, I am sure he will try to maximize his opportunity in camp.

Posted by: BePatientwithAlzner | May 22, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse


Top 5 picks tend not to be developmental projects. Obviously if it looks like he isn't deserved, he'll start the year out in Hershey. But if looks like he is ready to play with the big boys from the start, why would you keep him down? It has nothing to do with the fact that he is WHL player of the year, but more to the point that he is widely regarded as the "best defenseman not playing in the NHL right now." - Barry Melrose comment earlier in the season. Not to mention a full year ago he looked like he fit with the big boys for the short time he skated with them. Give him his shot, if he doesn't look ready, then sure he'll start in Hershey, but I wouldn't count on that.

Posted by: reekie | May 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Probably because when he was drafted, the buzz was that Alzner was the "most NHL-ready" player in the draft. I remember that the reports from the rookie training camp was pretty favorable as well. Still, Alzner will probably spend some time in Hershey.

Posted by: tallbear | May 22, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm more worried about re-signing Green. This is still the same franchise that thought it was a good idea to let Scott Stevens go rather than pay him. I think he hoisted two Cups to our none.

Posted by: Jim Cee | May 22, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse


Starting the signings off with a bang!!! I really like this kid. Saw him play at the developmental camp and he is the real deal. Don't know, don't care if he starts in Wash or Hershey but I think he will be in the NHL for a while.

Keep it going GMGM!!!!! A signing a day keeps first round playoff losses away!!!!!

Posted by: Roger #94 | May 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

What so great? Anybody expected he won't be signed?

Posted by: King Huet | May 22, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

C'mon Huet! Just because the news isn't about your boy doesn't mean its not great!
I think time-wise Oskar Osala is next on the list to sign. But I'm sure folks are more anxious to move our other guys up the priority totem pole. I don't care who they sign next, just as long as they keep signing 'em up! Let's go Caps!!!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 22, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Glad he signed but it was expected. I would personally like to see him start the season in Hershey, but wouldn't be shocked to see him make the team. Captain of the gold winning Canadian Junior team, WHL player of the year, etc. He has a solid resume and will hopefully be everything we think he is and more.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | May 22, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Every year people worry about the blue chips not being ready. first it was ovechkin having an attitude problem, then is was backstrom having a bad year in the swedish elite league. See the Pens Letang for how a rookie defenseman can step right in and contribute.

The Caps are not going to have cap room to sign feds, green and a top D, so if you want the first two, this is your new addition to the D line next year.

Posted by: Stormblue | May 22, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Glad he signed but it was expected.

Exactly. Not to sign him would be like not to sign my boy. :) just kidding... Huet can actually go to another team. He was so good, he can get an offer from another team he can't refuse.

Don't expect me to change my id until then or maybe longer :)

I am concerned that Greenie is not signed. He is in all-star NHL team by the Sporting News. Why GMGM had to wait for these news to break? He could've easily sign him in February. Now the price is only goes up.

Posted by: King Huet | May 22, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse


Please call me by my first name: King

And don't forget to bow. :-)

Posted by: King Huet | May 22, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@ King Huet

It's early, and the Green negotiations are going to take time. Though every day that ticks by makes me more nervous....

@ jmu_capsgirl

Oscar Oskala is next? Really?

Posted by: Ben | May 22, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Any news on if Ellis wants to stay in Nashville?

Posted by: Steve R | May 22, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I also get this funny feeling that Green may not be back. If that's the case, what would be GMGM's excuse?

Posted by: Danny | May 22, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Green isn't going anywhere.

Posted by: Steve R | May 22, 2008 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Only in the "if we don't sign him, somebody else can-June 1 deadline" kind of way. At least that was my thought. I could be wrong about that specific chunk of NHL policy. I think you have to sign draftees by a certain time (not FA deadline) or they could go back into the open market.
Danny, No negative thoughts! Green will be back!
And Ellis should be nervous about the 3-goalie situation that will probably happen in Nashville should he stay. They've got a young kid that will probably get a shot at the big time and Mason is still signed there.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 22, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Hey Huey, :) what will your name be if we don't sign your boy? Jut so we can recognize you on the blog if it does not go well. Maybe King Ellis? That has a good ring to it.

Posted by: CT Caps Fan | May 22, 2008 5:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh CT, that's a bit much. You'll send the poor guy into an anxiety attack or something.
Huet, My ex had that same attitude, which is why he's my ex. You don't get girls that way! haha

Posted by: Anonymous | May 22, 2008 5:35 PM | Report abuse

I am just having fun. I really wouldn't mind at all if we signed Huet, but I just have a gut feeling he won't. No facts behind it, but just a feeling.

Hope I am proven wrong.

Posted by: CT Caps Fan | May 22, 2008 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@King Huet,

If he signs elsewhere, will you change your name to a meaningless symbol?

Wait, that would be Prince Huet.

Posted by: old time hockey | May 22, 2008 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Danny, Green will be back. Didn't you see the smile on his face when the reporter told him that Coach BB had signed a long-term deal? Greenie loves it here, he loves playing with Ovie. He'll be back. His wallet will just be alot fatter next year.

Posted by: tess | May 22, 2008 6:06 PM | Report abuse

The signing of Alzner really isnt surprising. Here is the to do list.

1. Sign Huet before July 1st.
2. Sign Green before July 1st.
3. Sign Laich before July 1st.
4. Make a reasonable offer to Fedorov. $2.25x2
5. Sign Fehr before July 1st. $1.25x3
6. Tender offer to Morrisonn. $1.5Mx3
7. Tender offer to Eminger. $1.5Mx3
8. Try to sign an UFA D, if you need to.
9. Trade T.Poti if you can.
10. Sign Alzner. DONE

Posted by: JSchon | May 22, 2008 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I've no doubt that Green wants to be back. Question is whether GMGM is willing to pay his price.

Posted by: Danny | May 22, 2008 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@Jschon - I don't think Fehr's qualifying offer needs to be that high. I think we can get him for a 10% raise over last year.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | May 22, 2008 7:10 PM | Report abuse

@ Jim Cee

What are you talking about with Scott Stevens? The Caps got rid of him because he was involved in the infamous "limo incident". All 3 guys that were involved in that were shown the door. Scott Stevens did not leave over money issues. He was pushed out by the owner.

@ everybody else

Don't worry, Caps aren't going to let Green walk. I don't think it is anything to worry about.

@ JSchon

Agree with the to do list, but I don't see them bringing back Eminger AND signing a free agent D. I don't see Poti going anywhere either. I know you don't like him, and I agree with you that he didn't play up to the contract, but I don't think he is as bad as you think. If they sign an UFA Defenseman, I'd like Mike Commodore.

Posted by: reekie | May 22, 2008 7:11 PM | Report abuse

let me clarify, assumuing we do the qualifying offer thing, I think that entitles him automatically to a 10% raise, but it might only be for one season. Gotta read up on the CBA...

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | May 22, 2008 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy,
Slow news time, I guess, everybody's picking on me. :-)

One thing is clear, we need a Huet level guy in the net to stop the puck or else. Even Ovechkin won't help, he is not a goalie.

And who can be a better candidate for Huet type of goalie than Huet himself?

I don't know what GMGM is thinking, but Huet needs to be signed before he hits the open market because he can get the offer he won't be able to refuse.

And then we won't joke anymore, w/o a good goalie there would be no hope.

Sign Huet now!

Posted by: King Huet | May 22, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

No chance the caps offer eminger anything higher than a qualifying offer.
They won't have the cap space to keep a 6/7 Defenseman at 1.5 mil, certainly not one they don't have confidence to play consistently.

Posted by: Stormblue | May 22, 2008 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Reekie, your memory of the Scott Stevens situation is faulty. He was offered a mammoth free agent contract by the Blues that tightwad Abe decided he wouldn't match. The "limo incident" involved 4 players: Geoff Courtnall (asked to be dealt away), Stevens (FA signing), Neil Sheehy (played another season here) and Dino Ciccarelli, who stayed for several more productive seasons.

Posted by: OldPhil | May 22, 2008 8:12 PM | Report abuse

Alzner is the REAL DEAL.

He will be a starter by the end of next season.

Posted by: Villainaire | May 22, 2008 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Oops--My bad on the last one. Sheehy left town in the limo too. Dino stayed, though (BTW, our cat is named Dino).

Posted by: OldPhil | May 22, 2008 8:23 PM | Report abuse


Whats a starter in hockey?

I agree with you, Alzner is the real deal... He will start the season in Washington, and I doubt he spends any time in Hershey.

I mean, lets be honest... We watched Fleischmann play erratic all year and he always had a spot on the roster.

Alzner should already be better than Erskine, Jurcina and Lepisto. That leaves Poti, Green, Morrisonn, Schultz and Eminger. And 3 of those players arent signed.

Looks like Alzner learns the NHL by fire.

Posted by: JSchon | May 22, 2008 8:33 PM | Report abuse


What about signing Brads and/or Cooke?

Posted by: Steve R | May 22, 2008 8:55 PM | Report abuse

When is game 7 of the Stanley Cup? My guess is that you will not see much in the way of RFA or UFA signings until either after that date or June 13th. Everyone will want benchmarks, and they will want SC Champ and major award winner comparisons to factor into the mill.

I hope that June 13th is a very productive date for our Capitals. I will be checking the website often. Even though I think that might be the magic date, I too get nervous every day that goes by that we do not have Green, Laich, and a definite #1 goalie signed.

Posted by: Kim | May 22, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

@Steve R

I really do hope that they sign Brads. Actually surprised we have not heard something on the Brads/Cooke front.

My vote is definitely for Brads. I just love that guy. Can't fully explain. Just something intangible about him. Call it my feminine intuition.

Posted by: Kim | May 22, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Scott Stevens was signed by the blues and the caps were given 5 count 5 first round picks for him. No one of worth having compared to Scotty. He was then sent to NJ when the blues signed Brendon Shanahan as compesensation.

Posted by: rich C | May 22, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse


I'm not going to bother to look it up, but I thought Sheehy stayed for the season following the "limo incident" but only played part of the year due to a knee injury. Eventually he ended up in Calgary, didn't he?

Posted by: tess | May 22, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

I think rushing anyone is a bad idea. If he's deserving, he stays. But he doesn't have enough muscle or weight to be a steady roster spot yet. It'll be interesting to see how things play out.

Posted by: oo7 | May 22, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

@Steve R

Honestly... If we dont re-sign Cook or Bradley I wouldnt be heartbroken. If I had to choose one of the two... I'd go Brads, just because he'd be cheaper and he drops the gloves. Also, Cook isnt a 4th liner, I'm hoping that Flash comes alive next season on the 3rd line. 20G 25A is coming from Flash, I have my fingers crossed.

Posted by: JSchon | May 22, 2008 10:23 PM | Report abuse

The Onion - Sidney Crosby may be the best player in the NHL. But is he any good?

Posted by: Boo! | May 22, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

This is funny - also from the Onion:

NEW YORK--The 2008 Stackley Cup Playoffs, a set of odd-number-of-games series that will determine the champion of the National Huckie League, are well underway, NHL Commissioner Gary Bettman confirmed Monday.

At press time, the four hackley teams in contention for the Stickleby Cup were the Detroit Red Wings, the Pittsburgh Penguins, the Pittsburgh Flyers, and a team from Dallas, TX. The Red Wings, one of the NHL's Original Four Teams, and the Penguins, who feature one of hinky's rising young stars in Sidney Crossberry, are leading their respective series and are expected to advance to the championship round, or Storkaley Cup Finallys.

Hucklebee, which is played on ice by stick-wielding six-man teams who attempt to strike the hokey puck or "ball" into the opposing goal, is naturally a cold-weather sport. For this reason, hooky is believed to have originated in Canada. This will be the first year since 2003 that no Canadian team will make it to the Shaklee Cup Finals, and no Canadian team has won the Cup since 2003.

"This is the best time of year to watch the great sport of [huncky]," Commissioner Bettman said in a statement released by the NHL public relations department. "We still believe that our game is the fastest, toughest, most exciting game in the world, and we look forward to demonstrating that to a national audience as we determine the 2008 NHL Champion."

However, despite a fiercely loyal core fanbase, achieving mass popularity has been difficult for the National Honky League, which currently ranks behind the NFL, NBA, NASCAR, MLB, college football, NCAA basketball, tournament poker, and figure skating in television viewers. The sport, while definitely colorful, is somewhat difficult to watch on television; many say the fast action is actually too hard to follow, as they are unsure where the hanky puck is at any given time. The sheer number of games is also somewhat intimidating; the NHL season is believed to have actually began sometime last year.

The sport was also dealt a rather ugly setback with many viewers during last year's Stanbly Cup playoffs when two players dropped their ice bats and gloves and became involved in a shamefully brutal fistfight.

However, the passion of the teams involved in the Stagolee Cup Playups is impossible to deny or ignore.

"Way back when I was a kid playing on frozen ponds, I dreamed of winning the Cup," Detroit's Brian Rafalski told reporters Tuesday. "It's every player's dream to hoist the Cup above their heads and have their name engraved on the side."

One of the grand traditions of the sport is that each hicky player from the Cup-winning team is allowed to take the trophy with them for a day to show their families, friends, and presumably even coworkers at their actual jobs.

"Winning the Cup would be the ultimate dream come true for me, the reward for a very long, hard struggle," said foreign-born Penguins player Alexander Ovechkin, who, like most hochuli players, has based his life around the sport and has no real-world skills. "But really, just to play this game, to be part of something that brings so many people joy, that has been a great gift as well." Horklee is presumably extremely popular in Ovetchkin's home country.

"Our dream is that, when the Stanley [sic] Cup Finals end in June, everyone in America has seen those games and realized how much fun it is to watch the NHL," Commissioner Bettman said. "These are, without a doubt, some of the world's finest athletes playing in some of the world's most competitive games. I know I'm prejudiced, but I honestly think that anyone who watches will agree that hockey [sic] is the greatest sport in the world."

Posted by: Boo! | May 22, 2008 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow ... just read Tarik's update. That's a pretty big contract for a rookie, isn't it? The Caps must have high expectations for Alzner!

Posted by: Boo! | May 23, 2008 6:34 AM | Report abuse

Nice pictures of Sasha:

Posted by: Lena | May 23, 2008 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Alzner was out celebrating last night with none other than Greenie! They are both headed to Calgary today and Greenie surely said he won't be back for a few months...does that mean he signed his new contract? Didn't want to be rude and ask such a question but I did congrat him on his IIHF silver! And he sure was in a good deal done? How sweet would that be??

Posted by: CapsSighting | May 23, 2008 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Boo, sounds pretty much in line with most top 5 rookie contracts.

Posted by: tallbear | May 23, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

nice article Boo! :D

Posted by: mauree | May 23, 2008 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Alzner Done with Hitmen | May 23, 2008 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: honed | May 23, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

the 875k is the max allowed under the new cba for a player drafted in 2007. the bonus dollars of 800k is just less the max of 850k that he could have been eligible for. as for the categories that can be used to create the bonuses, they are as follows: ice time, goals, assist, points, ppg, +/-, rookie all-star team, blocked shots, all-star mvp, all-star game.

Posted by: jay | May 23, 2008 9:24 AM | Report abuse

per the calgary article, alzner called his girlfriend after he signed his deal. probably called to tell her, "see ya". he'll have his hands full with greenies rejects...

Posted by: Cap Fan 1 | May 23, 2008 9:33 AM | Report abuse

Why is everyone getting excited over Alzner?

So what, he played in the WHL and was player of the year blah blah blah.

Saying he is 'the real deal' without basing it upon seeing him in the NHL is nonsense. He got an entry level contract. So what, my guess is he starts in Hershey and stays there for the season.

Why put another mediocre D man in the lineup? The Caps have plenty of those.

Posted by: Anonymous | May 23, 2008 9:46 AM | Report abuse

C'mon guys. You don't follow engough junior hockey. Alzner was NHL Ready, repeat, NHL Ready, last year after the WJHC.

There is no AHL for this guy, and he immediately becomes the number 3 or 4 defenceman and should play between 18 to 21 minutes per night

Posted by: red dragon | May 23, 2008 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I see ShaMo/Green as the 1st pairing and Alzner/Poti as the second. Both pairings will compliment a stay at home with an offensive minded blueliner. Poti is a mature veteran who played a lot of minutes as a young blueliner with the Rangers -- he can really help out Alzner. I imagine the 3rd pairing to be defensemen by committee -- Jurnica, Eminger, Erksine, whoever? Pothier is done, but will he count against the cap?

Posted by: JIM | May 23, 2008 10:48 AM | Report abuse

Tess: I originally thought so too, but I checked the Caps website and Sheehy doesn't show up at all in the 90-91 stats. BTW--John Kordic's line that year: 10 games (7 w/Caps), 0-0-0, 110 PMs!

Posted by: OldPhil | May 23, 2008 10:59 AM | Report abuse


[Pothier] is still symptomatic but he is improving. He is in a difficult spot with that injury and we'll just do what is in the best interest of the player. We'll monitor it throughout the summer and we'll see how he is in September. If he can play, he'll play and if he can't, he won't but it will be his decision.

Michael Nylander was cleared May 5th and he had considered playing in the World Championships but he just thought to play it safe and be completely healthy for next year. Chris Clark has made some very good progress with his injury, so all of the news is encouraging and we expect both of them to be 100 percent by camp.


We're talking. It is a busy time of year and we're talking to a lot of people. It is kind of an exciting time for managers as we head toward the draft. There's a lot more discussions going on with other managers. There are discussions going on with agents about players. We haven't in the past really commented on the status of negotiations and we'll keep it that way, but we're certainly talking to everyone.

Posted by: From Corey Masisak by King Huet | May 23, 2008 11:17 AM | Report abuse

I'm not trying to be a pain, but all this hype sounds vaguely familiar, like when our dearest Emmy was coming out of Kitchner and everyont thought he was to be the greatest since sliced bread, now the kid can't buy a break (minus a decent showing in the playoffs)

Posted by: AP | May 23, 2008 11:33 AM | Report abuse

@ AP - Eminger was essentially supposed to be what Mike Green became. A little different as Eminger was touted as an offensive defenseman. Alzner is a totally different style, likely more suited to adjustment.

The way I remember the Limo incident is that The Caps management tried to purge the roster of those players. Or just let them walk, but my memory may have faded.

"Despite the lack of a criminal case, Capitals management quickly rid the roster of the players involved. The team let Stevens sign as a free agent with the St. Louis Blues in the offseason. Before his 2004 retirement, Stevens had won Stanley Cups as a member of the Devils, and he's a sure-thing first-ballot NHL Hall of Famer. Courtnall was traded to the Blues that summer, too, and played another 10 years in the NHL. Sheehy never played another regular-season game for the Caps. Ciccarelli, who came to Washington from Minnesota in 1989 in a trade for future Hall of Famers Mike Gartner and Larry Murphy, was given away by the Caps in 1992. Ciccarelli is the only eligible player with 600 goals not to be inducted into the Hall of Fame."

Posted by: reekie | May 23, 2008 11:44 AM | Report abuse

Old Phil - excellent recap on the limo situation and Scotty's departure. But I think you were right the first time: didn't Sheehy stay on one more season? Now here's the question that needs to be answered: what became of the five picks that St. Louis had to give to Washington for signing for Scotty? Didn't one become Sergei Gonchar and another Brendan Witt? Whatever it was, it wasn't worth it. Man, I wish we had kept Scotty...

Posted by: tokyo fan | May 23, 2008 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Reekie, all I'm saying is the hype, not the fact of who or what kind of player Alzner will end up as. What I was trying to get at is they thought Emmy was supposed to be very good very soon, he wasn't, can he be, I think there's an outside chance, more realistically he's an average to above average guy who can help a team for a few years. Alzner may or may not have more talent at what he does (although in that OFB article he was saying he wants to play more like Greenie, or at least improve that part of his game...) but I think he should not be rushed, if he does well off the bat great, if not oh well the kid is 19 we have plenty of time to work on it.

Posted by: AP | May 23, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Reekie, that was a really interesting link to the limo story. So I guess Sheehy never played for the Caps again, after all. Also, as I recall, Scotty was NOT in the limo (like the other three) but was only guilty by association... I'm convinced we'd have had a Cup by now if we Scotty had stayed a Cap for his career. Forget #4 - he'll always be #3 in my book.

Posted by: tokyo fan | May 23, 2008 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Hockey database stats show that Sheehy played no regular season games in 1990-91, but played 2 playoff games, then went to Calgary the following year. I think he messed up his knee pre-season in 90-91 and tried to come back in the playoffs to test out the knee, and then left as a free agent.

Posted by: tess | May 23, 2008 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Alzner is much more advanced than Green was at the same age. This kid is the real deal. Blue Chip, Can't Miss etc...

I would compare his style and play to that of Niclas Lidstrom. Yes the perennial Norris Trophy winning D-Man who I think is still underrated.

Posted by: red dragon | May 23, 2008 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear you all signed some defense. Last time I checked, Defense was not a one man show. Alzner is good, but come on now, if you all want to go anywhere past the first round and not BARELY squeak by the Canes, resign Huet, or get OV another star to put pucks in. His supporting cast is good, but he needs a top notch scorer. Oh, and Caps, stay healthy and educate your fans on what a penalty is and is not.

Go Pens!

Posted by: MRJ | May 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Good to hear you all signed some defense. Last time I checked, Defense was not a one man show. Alzner is good, but come on now, if you all want to go anywhere past the first round and not BARELY squeak by the Canes, resign Huet, or get OV another star to put pucks in. His supporting cast is good, but he needs a top notch scorer. Oh, and Caps, stay healthy and educate your fans on what a penalty is and is not.

Go Pens!

Posted by: MRJ | May 23, 2008 12:27 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Alzner is probably NHL ready, I just wish we didn't NEED him next season. It would be nice to not rush the guy, but having watched him at the WJHC this season I think he could step in and possibly even become a second pair guy this season. I just would have prefered him to start in Hershey for a little more gradual seasoning, and let him get top minutes there.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | May 23, 2008 12:45 PM | Report abuse


Pothier will not count against the cap. Actually, he does, but the team gets credit for it if they declare him LTIR.

Posted by: Greg S. | May 23, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

how about diving? or wearing an underage 70s porn star mustache in a playoff game? Are those penalties? Blowing up your roster after two good years cause you didnt manage the cap, is that a 5-minute major or are you just condemned to play in Pittsburgh?
See you next year, dolt.

Posted by: redlineblue | May 23, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

eminger was drafted 12 compared to alzner at 5, thats quite a bit different, at the very least from a hype/expectation stand point. hes going to be on the team this year because hes good enough, not because theyre doing him any favors. he may not start but he'll be there and i dont understand why people have a problem with that. this is good news, this is the future and a #1D, the sooner the better.

Posted by: hokarsky | May 23, 2008 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I think Alan May was also involved in the infamous limo incident outside of Champions.

Posted by: fansince74 | May 23, 2008 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Possibly Nick Kypreos as well? Wasnt it his former girlfriend in the limo?

Posted by: fansince74 | May 23, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Why do Pens fans (for the most part) feel compelled to be such a@@holes?

Posted by: Steve R | May 23, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Well, Steve, because they are! :)

Posted by: Greg S. | May 23, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Remember no games played in 2004/05

2002 Draft
#3 Jay Bouwmeester - 82 games 2002/03
#4 Joni Pitkanen - 71 games 2003/04
#5 Ryan Whitney - 68 games 2005/06

2003 Draft
#7 Ryan Suter - 71 games 2005/06
#8 Braydon Coburn - 9 games 2005/06
#9 Dion Phanuef - 82 games 2005/06

2004 Draft
#3 Cam Barker - 42 games 2006/07

2005 Draft
#3 Jack Johnson - 74 games 2007/08

2006 Draft
#1 Eric Johnson - 69 games 2007/08

2007 Draft
#4 Thomas Hickey - WHL 9G 41A 70PIM
#5 Karl Alzner - WHL 8G 39A 32PIM

I have no idea what the point of this is... I'm bored I guess...

Its not anything new or crazy to play a highly rated D guy right away.

Bouwmeester, Suter, Phanuef and both Johnsons played right away. (Jack Johnson finished college, not AHL)

Posted by: JSchon | May 23, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I think Alzner has a very good shot at cracking the lineup. He is exactly what this team was lacking in the playoffs - A smooth skating, shut down d man.

Posted by: BearsWoooo | May 23, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Greg, didn't see the answer staring me right in the face.

Our D is coming together. I'm more concerned with goalie. Huet, Theo, Ellis and ...?

Posted by: Steve R | May 23, 2008 4:02 PM | Report abuse

as a WHL season ticket holder i have seen alzner play a fair amount
He is very talented but lets not rush...
playing in the ahl is a good idea rather than playing him up too soon and slowing his skill development and mental toughness
the nhl is a lot different than the whl

Posted by: wendel | May 23, 2008 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Alzner was the top of a draft considered weak. Regardless of where he was chosen, The Caps need a replacement for Pothier and an upgrade. I think we can all agree on that. If Alzner pops right into that slot, great. But as Wendel noted, it was the WHL. THe AHL is full of guys fighting for a job or fighting for a call up. Its tougher than the WHL without a doubt.

Posted by: oo7 | May 24, 2008 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: bruce gamble | May 24, 2008 4:00 AM | Report abuse

Watching the game--here we go with the goalie interference calls.

"NHL commissioner Gary Bettman said every team in the league will play all the others at least once next season. The announcement came Saturday before Game 1 of the finals between Pittsburgh and Detroit, two teams that did not meet this regular season."

Thoughts, feelings?

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 24, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Tonight the Wilkes-Barre Penguins knocked off the Portland Pirates in game 7 of the Calder Cup semi-finals. The baby Pens will play the Chicago Wolves in the finals. The Wolves are Atlanta's farm team.

Detroit is up 2-0! Go Wings!

@jmu_capsgirl: I like the idea of playing everyone at least once. Get tired of seeing the same teams all the time. And by the way, did I miss the post? Which of you won the World Championship pool?

Posted by: tess | May 24, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I like every team playing every other team. I still think the western teams have a ridiculous travel schedule, though. Detroit should be in the east. They're being screwed.

Go Wings!!

Posted by: oo7 | May 24, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Yeah! Shutout for the Wings!!! :-D

I agree - all teams should play (I also get tired of seeing the same teams over and over again).

oo7: Just this week I told someone that the Wings should be in the east due to their travel schedule (great minds ...)!

So, who should be in the winter classic next season? The Caps and ... ?!? :-)

Posted by: Boo! | May 24, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse


I think that call was bs - as was the one against Dallas. But certainly Detroit doesn't need any help from the referees.

What a game! Talk about rugged d-men. Shees. These guys are so tough.

That raises the question: do we have the proper manpower/organization needed to win the SC? It seems to me that we lack the needed tough D. As for organization, BB loves to say "play it simple" but Detroit is showing how effective a masterly orchestrated team can be. Did you notice that they manage to change lines while actually attacking and possessing the puck? Their movement w/o the puck is amazing.

Posted by: mauree | May 24, 2008 11:04 PM | Report abuse

The best part of the Wings win was that both Crosby and Malkin were totally useless.

Shamelessly cut and paste from my Capitals 423 blog:

Sydney Crosby- The hype machine stalls out under the pressure of great D. Minus 1 with three shots on goal. A non-factor the whole game in my opinion. Lost the game at the dots as well with a 48% face off percentage.

Evgeny Malkin- Minus 1 and 1 shot in the whole game. In the post game, Don Cherry said someone ought ot give him a slap because he played so terrible. Another victim of great D? 40% from the dots. Perhaps he should be goat 1, but Crosby is the "poster boy" of the NHL.

Posted by: caps423 | May 24, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse


Yeah tough wake up call for the pens huh? Cindy and Malkin and Hossa and Stall... and 7 shots on goal the last two periods. Are they too young? Or is Detroit just too good? They seemed lost out there.

I don't know why Cindy bother with the beard. My aunt Pina has more than him. He should do like Malkin and just shave it off, it looks ridiculous.

Posted by: mauree | May 24, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Watching the gam made me realize how much Michel Therrien looks like a wet dog.

Posted by: Stephen | May 24, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm loving the Wings right now. Their D is ridiculous. I'm excited to see how our D gels over the next three months.
mauree, that call was bs. Babcock was ticked after, even if it was a shutout. I used to love playoff beards, but Cindy's is killing it.

tess, oo7 won.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 24, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

hey mauree:
I agree - they look lost. The Wings are clearly the older, wiser, more seasoned team. The Pens have never played this kind of hockey before. Maybe they came into it a bit arrogant, since they really did not know what they were up against (i.e. they did not play each other all season)? Maybe they are just too young? Regardless, Syd should definitely shave. (P.S. Good to "see" you again ... is it pre-season yet?!? ;-)).

Posted by: Boo! | May 24, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse


That's the kind of D I've been talking about all season. What would I give for Kronwall? A heck of a lot! Having Rafalski back there, too? And Lidstrom? Jeez!

Defense STILL wins playoff games. And goalies win the cup. Osgood was Damnedgood tonight. And lucky, but, hey!

Posted by: Greg S. | May 25, 2008 12:46 AM | Report abuse

Did you see the shots on goal? I think it was 36/19 Wings/Pens. Regardless, Osgood did not have to work THAT hard ...

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Hey, Boo!

True, but he did make some pretty good saves. A lot of goalies like a lot of shots on net. Keeps them mentally in the game. But he did make some key saves.

Posted by: Greg S. | May 25, 2008 1:01 AM | Report abuse

Hey Greg:
That's true. Nonetheless, it looks like the Wings' mad D is paying off! :-)

So any takers on my winter classic question?!? I hope the Caps are in it - I'd love to go!

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I'd definitely be excited and break out my long johns & go. I'm mildly surprised the 'Skins were okay with it.
They'll put us against the Pens. As great as it would be to play somebody else, they'll do it and bill it as (once again) the Ovie-Crosby battle of the MVPs thing. If I'm getting tired of that, I can't imagine how tired of it they are.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Anonymous | May 25, 2008 7:13 AM | Report abuse

The Skins? Do you mean if they did it here? I don't think they will do it here - it's not cold enough. But I hope the Caps are in it - wherever it might be up north (I'm up for the road trip). Regardless, do you really think the Pens will play in it again? I would think that other teams would cry foul - I bet all the franchises want to play in the winter classic.

GREAT old pics of Ovie, Fed, Semin and their comrades! Thanks for sharing - I just wish I could read it! :-)

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

Yeah, i won!! I'm still happy about that. Good times.
I always seem to win when it doesn't count. You just can't make money off that.

I didn't hear Malkins name much last night during the game. I think that they were a little shell shocked out there. THey're young and likely nervous as hell. I giggled when Crsoby started shoving Samuelson. If the Pens lose game 2 they're gonna be swept.

Posted by: oo7 | May 25, 2008 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Boo: I'd like to see the winter classic pit the Caps against the Wings -- as long as the Caps wear red.

Posted by: uncatim | May 25, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think it was cold enough here either, but its been proposed. I'd probably go on a road trip, too though, since it would be during my winter break.

Translation of the article:

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Wow that's a bad translation, sorry! But you get the jist.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 1:21 PM | Report abuse

oo7: You won the fantasy league? Congrats!! I was wondering who won that ...

uncatim: I would be up for the Wings ... that would be especially interesting if they won the cup this year. And Detroit is only like, what, 8 hours away?

jmu: Yes, that IS a pretty bad translation, but it is also very funny in places! :-)

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Would love to go to Toronto or Montreal for the Classic. Need to tell our neighbors to the north how their bacon sucks. I mean c'mon,it's round.
To do list: get a passport!
Almost glad the Caps didn't make a run.Pretty sure Wings would have dusted us.

Posted by: markfromparkville | May 25, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

Any truth to the rumors that the Mike Green negotiations aren't going well?

Posted by: DC FURY | May 25, 2008 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Canadians don't eat Canadian bacon. Its a common misconception. American Canadian bacon is ham. There are some thicker bacons in Canada, but its not round, it looks like bacon. I never saw "Canadian bacon" til I moved to the States.
I would have no desire to Canada for a Winter Classic. Anywhere cold enough to support an ice hotel is too cold for me these days.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

It's OK we didn't make it - next year is ours (besides, it was a pretty fun run at the end there, wasn't it?). RE: a winter classic north of the border, I'm in! Although I would prefer Toronto over Montreal - it is closer and I don't think the fans are as intense. Either way, did you plan to throw Canadian bacon or good ol' (normal) American bacon on the ice? Or maybe a stuffed pig?!? That would confuse them ...

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 2:30 PM | Report abuse

jmu: Are you being a buzz kill?!? ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

p.s. a stuffed pig as in a stuffed animal (btw, jmu - do you think detroit is any warmer than toronto? i'm guessing it is all about the same).

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

My apologies to Canadians everywhere.I do love their national anthem. Whenever I hear "O Canada" I'm reminded of when Geddy Lee of Rush sang it at the baseball all-star game at Camden Yards back in 92 or 93.
Hockey,Molson,and Rush-The three greatest thing to ever come from Canada.

Posted by: markfromparkville | May 25, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

I was getting a little worried.I thought you meant we were going to cook a pig over a pit like they do in Hawaii,with an apple in it's mouth and all that. That would be a little hard to get past security,not to mention tossing it over the glass.
Speaking of bacon,is there anything bacon is not good on.I think not!

Posted by: markfromparkville | May 25, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Forgot a ? on last post,not that anyone cares.

Posted by: markfromparkville | May 25, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if that would be funny or frightening?!? Give it a shot so that we can figure it out! ;-) Anyway, bacon, butter, sour cream ... it's all good. Speaking of, I made a stop at a diner in the country once and ordered a slice of pecan pie for dessert. The waitress asked if I wanted melted butter on top of it ... do people really do that?!?

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Not trying to be. (about the bacon or the game) I'm sure Detroit is just as cold as Montreal, but they don't try ice hotels, which gave me hope that it wasn't as cold. I guess I'll just have to buck up and get more cold-weather clothing. Break out a snowsuit or something. Talking about outdoor games reminds me of Mystery, Alaska.
mark, apology accepted. Its a common thing, but I hate "Canadian bacon" anyways. And I don't think bacon is good on ice cream, but that's just my thought. You might enjoy it. You might be able to sneak the pig in in a jersey.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

jmu: LOL! :-) I was just kidding. I hate to say it, but it's all cold. Alaska would be fun ... let's go there!

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

*sigh* I know. I haven't been back in the winter since we moved, so I forget, but I promise I know. However, Alaska on New Year's I'll most definitely pass on. My loyalty to the Caps draws the line on that amount of below-zero. They could probably play a pre-season game there and it would be cold enough.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Pecan pie and butter.That has to be served with a side of those paddles that shock the heart back to life.
Any kin of yours' left back in Canada? We all are gonna need a place to stay on this road trip.

Posted by: markfromparkville | May 25, 2008 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Vancouver, Ottawa, an hour from Montreal, and Nova Scotia. I'm sure they'd all be shocked when I show up at their house at the front of a bunch of hockey fans. For some reason, I'm the only one in my huge Canadian family that is really into hockey. My dad used to be, my brother pays attention when its not NFL season, and my Vancouver aunt is sorta, but its really just me now.

So since I'm bored and have been waiting for paint to dry all day, I've been browsing youtube. Got a few clips of Alzner.
Between 3-4 minutes, they talk about the Caps:
Short spot from last summer:

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 25, 2008 7:51 PM | Report abuse

@ Greg
I agree 100%. You have been saying all season that we need a rugged D. I've always agreed, but watching the last games, I now think it's one of the top (if not the first) priority.

thanks for that link. Alzner seems cool. Maybe too much of a good guy... but I think a few years in the NHL will make him the tough s.o.b. we desperately need hehe... btw, have you actually been on a ice hotel? I've seen one on tv. looks crazy.

I'm always here :D even if I don't post. Lately I've felt a bit left out... as Steve pointed out, I am a youngster and don't feel the hate vs Philly or the Pens yet hehe, and I am afraid to post good things about them. Although, I *am* rooting for Detroit. How are the lady skates going :D

Posted by: mauree | May 25, 2008 11:26 PM | Report abuse

I have the paddles on hand from the end of last season, so I guess I am good to go for pecan pie with melted butter.

I think there is a movie in this - all the WaPo bloggers show up at your relatives' door wearing Caps sweaters and say, "Is JMU home?" BTW, are they really Canadian? How can they live there and not like hockey?!? Next you will tell me that they don't like Canadian bacon, either!! ;-)

What are you talking about you feel left out?!? You are a part of this board, brother! Maybe a little misguided at times, but a part of it, nonetheless!! ;-) At least you have your priorities straight now - GO WINGS GO!! BTW, the lady skates are fine, and they always make me think of you! :-P

Posted by: Boo! | May 25, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the Alzner link, JMU. I love the kid ... can't wait to see his goofy grin while playing with Ovechkin.

Posted by: Caps fan in TN | May 26, 2008 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Have you ever heard him interviewed? He's as entertaining off the ice as he is on the ice! :-)

Posted by: Boo! | May 26, 2008 12:06 AM | Report abuse

Not personally, but I had an assignment on them my freshman year. They're really cool. (pun intended) I thought the igloos we built in the backyard as kids were neat, but the detail level they put in is unreal.
haha, that pie sounds awful, btw. I have no idea why they don't like hockey. Maybe they got more of the Oklahoma side than I did. If I was up there, I'd be at games all the time and my grades would be worse than they already are. :) I've got a Chara-sized cousin who plays football up there and never played hockey. Oh, and I don't like Canadian bacon. Honest to Ovie.
TN, no problem! I've seen every worthwhile Caps video on youtube by this point. I'm excited about seeing Alzner play. He seems like the kind of guy that would fit in with our guys well.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | May 26, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse


Have you seen Lidstrom's +/- for the regular season? It's disgusting and sickening! +40!! I had to keep looking back at it thinking that it HAD to be a mistake! I looked on different sites. Freakin' +40!!

Kronwal's not half bad either. He's only a +25. +25!!

Green's a +6, Mo's a +10, Poti's +9, Schultz is +12. Add them together and you don't have Lidstrom's +/-! In fact, add ALL the Cap's D +/- together and it just beats his +40.

It's no wonder they had a shut-out against Pittsburgh. It's no wonder they romped through the West. It's also no wonder how an aged goalie (Hassik) can keep playing with a D like that in front of him. Now Osgood get's his shot, and he's no spring chicken, either.

We need a solid Defensive core and a solid goalie.

Posted by: Greg S. | May 26, 2008 12:13 PM | Report abuse

you should be afraid to post good things about the flyers(just beat "your team" in ot in game 7 on some bs) and the penguins(arch-rival in every way). Its completely contradictory to do so and call yourself a caps fan, which is why you should expect harsh responses when you do.

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