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As If Detroit Needed More Help

I said I wasn't going to blog about free agent moves that didn't involve (or impact) the Caps. But this deal has forced me to break that rule.

Marian Hossa to the Wings ... for one year at $7.4 million, according to TSN.

Discuss.

Update:The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette reports the Pens were offering "a bit more than $7 million" on a five year deal.

That makes Hossa's decision even more curious/intriguing.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 2, 2008; 12:53 PM ET
 
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Comments

Ok, I'll bite. A one year deal? That seems a little odd for a player of his talent level.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I guess "quality free agents" don't care for the Pens either, eh?

Posted by: Jim | July 2, 2008 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Well there is the team to beat again this year........REDICULOUS

Posted by: Roger # 94 | July 2, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Giving proof to the saying that the Wings don't rebuild... they reload.

Posted by: pch49 | July 2, 2008 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Wait...I thought players would be jumping at the chance to play with Crosby!

Posted by: Michael | July 2, 2008 1:06 PM | Report abuse

If the Pens were going to pay that, then Malkin wasn't going to be staying. You can't pay three players 7+ million a year. And they let Malone go? What IS going on in Pittsburgh, Tarik?

Posted by: oo7 | July 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Wow, unbelievable. I guess he is taking a chance at getting a Cup this year. It makes no sense to not lock up financial security for 5 years. Does he think he is going to drive his value up even more? One thing is for sure, I am happy to see Pittsburgh losing Hossa and Malone. That should bring them back down to earth. I'd be shocked if they ended up with Jagr.

Posted by: JD | July 2, 2008 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Hossa realized that, had he taken Pit's deal, he'd be playing with Crosby, Malkin, Staal, and the Scranton Wilkes-Barre team.

Posted by: Eric | July 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

damn...I guess the Caps are not gonna win the Stanley Cup next year.

Posted by: wanggo | July 2, 2008 1:08 PM | Report abuse

good... at least we don't have to see him more than once or twice all year!!

he's a cap killer IMO... for whatever reason, in ATL and PIT he just had that good vibe playing us... now he's in the west!!

i like this move....

Posted by: Scofield | July 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

oh well. atleast we only play them once usually hahaa. maybe a 1998 rematch woooo lets go caps.

this guy that called on elliot this morning sounded exactly like tarik.

Posted by: Jake | July 2, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

With this deal, Hossa accomplishes 2 things:

1. The best opportunity for a cup.
2. The guarantee of $10 million a season somewhere the following year, that is unless he gets hurt.

How can DET have that kind of room with the stacked team they have? Thought the new NHL was designed to prevent this kind of dynasty.

Posted by: Huck Fossa | July 2, 2008 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Love it! Sorry "cup team of the future", I guess Sir Sid will have to carry the team on his own. :-)

As for Hossa, the more I think of this deal, the more respect I lose for him. A one year deal kind of says, "I'd like to use your team to win myself a cup". Hardly the team spirit we see so often in this great league.

Posted by: Mark Tucker | July 2, 2008 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Nelson voice on, facing Pittsburgh:

HA HA!

Posted by: Ben | July 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Hossa wanted to give himself the best chance to win a cup. I cant blame him at this point in his career
That is in Detroit.

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

they did this because they have to sign zetterberg after next season to big bucks. One year contract is all it takes to win a cup, and they have a good chance. thats really all that matters. this is a combination of balls and brains, and i hate everything about it ;)

Posted by: at least its not fedorov | July 2, 2008 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Calgary Flames sign UFA defenceman Jim Vandermeer (undisclosed) and UFA forward Curtis Glencross (undisclosed).

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 1:20 PM | Report abuse

and only crickets are heard from the Caps camp on ANY FA signings, UFA or RFA.

Posted by: Leeguru | July 2, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I think this speaks volumes about how well-loved Michel Therrien is amongst his players.

Posted by: Blueline | July 2, 2008 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@Huck Fossa

Um... why does signing a 1 year deal with Detroit guarantee anything, especially $10M a year the following year? All it guarantees is a great chance at a SC for him. Winning a SC doesnt add $3M to his market value.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Hossa may be waiting to see what this Russian league does. If it starts attracting huge talent away from the NHL like JJ, and Fedorov and Bure and ... ...

Posted by: FFS Enough | July 2, 2008 1:25 PM | Report abuse

IF Hossa does sign with Wings, makes the deal to get Hossa from Atlanta really look stupid, gave up an awful lot for a quick run to cup final and then back to the bottom, going to be a very fast round trip.

Posted by: Rich C | July 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

what the heck is going on with Laich and Morrison? I thought the Caps would have locked up these two by now, esp. after a day to test the RFA waters. No offers, no matches? Their agents must be playing hardball.

Posted by: JIM | July 2, 2008 1:28 PM | Report abuse

No one wants to play with Crybaby! His "leadership" has been tested. Let's see what the whiner go? A big, fat "F"!!!
LOL

Pens Suck!

Posted by: Finn | July 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

go=got

Posted by: Finn | July 2, 2008 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Last one out of the Pittsburgh lockerroom turn off the lights.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Avery to Dallas, by the way

Posted by: Finn | July 2, 2008 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I'm no Wings fan by any means, but they've gotten to where they are by some very shrewd scouting and development. Case 1A and 1B, Henrik Zetterburg and Pavel Datsyuk. Very late draft choices that they found. They found a role for former journeyman Andreas Lilja on the blue line. They lose the puck carrying blueliner in Schneider, they go replace him with the younger Rafalski. They find roles for the thought-to-be-a-complete-busts like Dan Cleary then don't ask them to do more than theyh're capable of. And they didn't have any outrageous contacts, hence the cap room to sign Hossa.

One ray of hope for fans of other contenders, Hossa isn't exactly known for raising his game in the playoffs or even playing up to his normal level.

Posted by: Jeff from Huntington | July 2, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Sad to be a Pens fan. Later Hossa.

While they did make the cup, I thought that trade was stupid from the start.

Glad to see him in the West. Now Jagr to Edmonton...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

WHO CARES? WHAT'S THE DEAL WITH FEDEROV? LAICH? GORDON? MORRISON?

Posted by: jb | July 2, 2008 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Steve and I are laughing at our friend the Pens fan. he told us everyone wanted to play for less in pittsburgh.

Posted by: Lee | July 2, 2008 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Greg S., You had me laughing so hard. I just sent your line to one of my friends that loves the Pens. Classic!

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 1:39 PM | Report abuse

Great deal though for him. One year there maybe win a cup and then go to a team you really want to for a while or maybe sign long term with Detroit. His value is not going down at this day in age. I mean come on people are offering 10 million for Sundin is he a better player than Ovie? NO!

Posted by: JB | July 2, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

chill out jb. go do something productive. stop screaming.

Posted by: oo7 | July 2, 2008 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Ken Holland for Hockey Hall of Fame. Like, tomorrow.

Posted by: ultra | July 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Avery to Vancouver. If Matt Cooke's nonsense didn't fly in Vancouver, I can't believe that Avery's antics will be acceptable.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Jeff from Huntington ,

If that is the case, then Flash should pan out for us.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Hossa, Cole, and now Avery gone from the EC? Not too shabby!

Posted by: HolyOlie | July 2, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Avery to Canucks? or Stars.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

tsn has avery to the stars

4yr 15.5 mil

not vancouver

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

My bad. Wrong team. Sorry. Avery to Dallas. Readingt the tracker too fast. What I said about Cooke still applies, though.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

OTH - Avery to Dallas

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Are we going to have to wait until July 15th to hear something about Laich, Mo, Fehr, and Gordon?

I was already adjusting plans to be at Fan Fest on July 12th to see Brooks Laich.

Please, any news on what is taking so long would be helpful. Would be good to know if they have offers and are negotiating with GMGM, if GMGM is making a move for someone and waiting to see how that plays out to even talk to the RFAs. Any little tid bit would be welcome. For instance, once news of a Brooks Orpik or Fedorov signing breaks will we then take care of our young RFAs?

Posted by: Kim | July 2, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Seems strange to me to sign a 1 yr. deal. Oh well! Guess Hossa really wants a cup, but it's awfully hard to repeat in any sport. The Wings should be lock to win the Cup next season...on paper, but it only takes a key injury or 2 and you're not as good as you should be. And the Wings have a history of choking in the playoffs the year after they win a Cup.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@ Huck:

Lidstrom and Datsyuk aside, the only other guy making more than $4 is Rafalski. They're cap is only $4 more than ours, according to NHL numbers. A deent read is Ken Holland's article in THN which helps illustrate how team-focused they are.


Posted by: Section 117 | July 2, 2008 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I posted this on the previous entry: making a lot of calls today. If I uncover something interesting, you can bet I'll put it up this afternoon.

The Caps, I'm told, aren't as quiet as they may seem due to the lack of announcements.

Posted by: Tarik | July 2, 2008 1:48 PM | Report abuse

@ Jeff from Huntington

The Red Wings head European scout is Hakan Andersson and Scotty Bowman is a consultant for the club. The Caps should hire someone in the front office to spy on them and steal their players in the draft. They always have a pick before the Red Wings

As for Hossa not raising his game in the playoffs, the Wing are deep enough to sit him and his $7.4 mil A$$ in a suite at the top of The Joe for the playoffs.

Posted by: Stevie Y | July 2, 2008 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Ken Holland to replace GMGM? I can only dream...

Posted by: Finn | July 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Dude just wanted a Cup...guess Crosby isn't the next Gretzky, but hopefully the next Lindros

Posted by: Charlie G. | July 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Maybe you should lob in some calls to agents posing as McPhee.

See what you can get done....That would be the inside scoop

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I heard Hossa's wife likes Detroit better than Pittsburgh.

Posted by: Jill | July 2, 2008 1:54 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S

Nice one :D

Something must be going on with the Pens. Malone and Conklin and Hossa and Hall - lost not really for money but it seems they wanted to leave. Is this because of the coach? Will Orpik stay?

They had something going on.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Hossa "If you can't beat 'em, join 'em"


Ken Holland lost Green, remember. We got Green for Lang.

Posted by: UTBKH | July 2, 2008 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Maybe players are leaving the Steel City not because of the coach, but because of crybaby and his "leadership"? Fed up with him?

Posted by: Finn | July 2, 2008 1:57 PM | Report abuse

828, who's Flash? I'm missing something.

Posted by: Jeff from Huntington | July 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Dallas Stars sign UFA Forward Sean Avery to a four-year, $15.5 million contract

From NY to Dallas? Far from intern job and model chicks?

Posted by: UTBKH | July 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Tarik.

I am actually glad that Hossa is in the Western Conference now. Avery too. Too bad the whole Malkin to LA did not pan out either. (Still not sure how he and Sid are going to co-exist at close to the same salary).

It will be very interesting when the schedule comes out in a couple of weeks. Think there is some real potential for some very interesting National t.v. match-ups across the NHL.

Posted by: Kim | July 2, 2008 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Nobody wants to go to Edmonton

Hossa signed a one-year contract, worth $7.4 million, sources familiar with the negotiations told globesports.com. In doing so, Hossa left a small fortune on the table, including an offer from the Edmonton Oilers that reportedly would have paid him in excess of $8 million per season.

Posted by: UTBKH | July 2, 2008 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Jeff from Huntington, Flash = Fleischmann... he was drafted by Detroit.

Jill,
Were you trying to make a funny?

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

If you have to ask, maybe I need to work on my material.

Posted by: Jill | July 2, 2008 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, Edmondton has the same issues attracting players that they did before the cap era. Probably the most isolated market in the league, cold winters where the sun's only up for 5-6 hours a day, until a year ago the Canada vs US dollar thing, whatever the reasons are the rabid fans and glory days of the 80s aren't enough when guys can get the same or more money in "more glamerous" markets.

Posted by: Jeff from Huntington | July 2, 2008 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Since when does July 2nd count as "waiting so long"? Were you people who are doing all the fretting and complaining born last week? Every year it takes awhile to get all the guys signed. There is nothing out of the ordinary happening here. Simmer down.

Hossa just thumbed his nose bigtime at the Penguins. I'm still laughing.

Posted by: norske | July 2, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I believe Jill was playing on Pronger's wife bascially dictating the trade to Anaheim.

Posted by: Jeff from Huntington | July 2, 2008 2:07 PM | Report abuse

I hear Detroit is a lovely place to live.

Posted by: Hossa | July 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I get the Flash thing now, 828. Thanks.

Posted by: Jeff | July 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

I believe Jill was playing on Huet's wife whom most believe did not like our fine city of Washington, DC.

Posted by: Leigh | July 2, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Tarik-
Not to get off the subject or anything but have you been able to talk to Theodore? Can you include some quotes on what he has to say about coming here and what influenced his decision? I was surprised by this signing but I kinda like it. It impresses me that all of a sudden players are willing to come here.
Thanks!

Posted by: KT | July 2, 2008 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Hossa was quoted during the deadline deal with pitsburgh saying that he only cared about winning a cup, not so much about which team it was with. As far as i can tell we dont have anyone like that in washington.

Posted by: hsc | July 2, 2008 2:10 PM | Report abuse

actually, Jill was referencing the now-famous story that after Nylander did everything but sign the paperwork with Edmonton, his wife said "EDMONTON?! HECK NO! Call GMGM and see if Washington will take you back!"

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 2:12 PM | Report abuse

hsc,

If thats the case, he must have been pretty comfortable in his belief that Pittsburgh was no where close to winning a cup since he turned down 5 years at $7M/year to take a one year deal worth virtually the same amount.

Posted by: Leigh | July 2, 2008 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Its official, Malkin resigned, 5 years.
I think $8.7M/year.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 2:15 PM | Report abuse

I actually respect him more. All these guys want to win a cup- it's what drives them you want to believe. By turning down oodles of GUARANTEED money for a one year chance at the cup ... I like it. Think of it- if he gets hurt this year he's not making bank on the pine next season. IMO he took a huge pay cut and gamble because he wants to compete-

Posted by: Wylie | July 2, 2008 2:16 PM | Report abuse

Just like the NHL commercials..."The Cup Changes Everything". I guess this guys wants to make a one year run at the cup with the wings.

Posted by: Jim Cee | July 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Jill,

I should have put - 'oh, Jill made a funny.' Not, 'Were you trying to make a funny?'... I laughed, but it didn't seem like a comment you would make.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Orpik, a respected leader in the Penguins' dressing room and their most physical defenseman, fielded several favorable offers from other teams. The Penguins' last offer - believed to be a five-year deal worth more than $3 million annually - did not result in an agreement.

Come on GMGM you can do it!

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Jeff from Huntington , I thought it was Huet's wife.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

mauree,

Where are you seeing that?

Posted by: HolyOlie | July 2, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Dear George,$2.4M/yr and a CI spell check is making me yours until career is ending, da? I otherwise am taking $3M to play anypless but Pittsburgh! (Sidney is good to play with himself and I am not...)

Posted by: Phediroff | July 2, 2008 2:21 PM | Report abuse

@HolyOlie

I got both news from the penguins website:

http://penguins.nhl.com/

and

http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/penguins/s_575585.html?source=rss&feed=8

(bottom about Orpik)

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Is Jill the Birdie and if so, is that Nylander thing True?

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Guess he didn't like the smell of Pittsburgh.

Posted by: jak | July 2, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I couldn't help but troll the Pens boards. They're not happy about Hossa. Many are asking to sign Jagr. *wears the troll mask and goes back to spy*

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 2:25 PM | Report abuse

News flash: An agent for Pittsburgh Captain Sidney Crosby has indicated that his client wishes to renegotiate his current contract which pays 8.7 million per year. Based on the recent signing of Malkin, Crosby wants a minamum of 8.7 million + $1. Crosby will hold out of training camp until he gets it.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Look, if Hossa signs in Pit, he won't be playing with anyone buy Sid, because the Pens wouldn't be able to sign anyone else. With Det, he has an instant shot at the Cup.

Posted by: Eric | July 2, 2008 2:26 PM | Report abuse

mauree - start some mess by saying Malkin is better than Crosby because he makes more money now. See what they do.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I can't believe that Bryzgalov resurfaced on this board. But I did like the funny RE: Hossa - if you can't beat 'em, join 'em ... HA!! BTW, I don't see anything about Avery - where are you reading that?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 2:27 PM | Report abuse

no, I'm not Jill. I've read the Nylander thing here several times, and have seen it hinted at elsewhere. Either its true, or its one of those fantastic hockey myths that has taken on a life of its own.

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Re: Nylander's wife...it's true. She wanted to live in Bethesda.

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

It's a five-deal, with the terms in the $42.5- to $43.5-million range. I'll have them here once they're confirmed.

Posted by: from Mirtle | July 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

RE: Avery, nevermind - just popped up on the TSN tracker.

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

i know this is an unpopular opinion, but i suggest letting ShaMo ride and trying to sign Orpik. I personally like the sound of a Green-Orpik pairing!

Posted by: doughless | July 2, 2008 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Birdie and Keef - I had never heard that before. That confirms Nylander does not have a pair.

Mirtle, who you talking about?

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Now I got it, Brent Hull is Avery's buddy. Avery used to live in his house in Detroit.

Posted by: UTBKH | July 2, 2008 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Malkin

Posted by: from Mirtle | July 2, 2008 2:36 PM | Report abuse

828, come now. I imagine Mrs. Nylander as a pretty and sophistocated Swedish woman of undeniable class. If you are married to that and your option is leave said pretty, sophisticated, and classy Swedish blonde for Edmonton, or head down to the wonderfully cosmopolitian city of Washington with her, which would you chose?

I've never seen Mrs. N, so I have no idea if my mental construct of her is accurate, but it does make the story a wee bit more understandable!

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 2:37 PM | Report abuse

828, something did happen w/ Nylander. Lowe had an agreement with Nylander's agent. Hours go by without Central Registry getting the contract, then Lowe hears Nylander signed with the Caps. I believe Nylander then calls Lowe saying something about family.

Posted by: tallbear | July 2, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Tarik:

Is there any reason to believe that the Caps are still trying to sign Fedorov? I haven't seen anything about him other than a note on a Devils blog that the Rangers and possibly Pittsburgh were now pursuing him.

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | July 2, 2008 2:39 PM | Report abuse

@Doughless,

Orpik would be an upgrade from Mo. But, I'm greedy and would love to see this defense:

Mo-Green
Orpik-Alzner
Schultz-Poti

Juice as extra part.
Erksine to Chocolate town.
Pothier appreciation day.

I actually can't see much wrong with those six other than the obvious cost issues.

Besides, you have to keep Mo and Green together, that way we can refer to them with sentences like "Do you know who we are? We're Mo Green!" Note: if you represent Francis Ford Coppola, please don't sue me. Thanks.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I hate all of you!

Posted by: Huet's Wife | July 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Since there's still HolyOlie, I can go with King Huet 'cause UTBKH is lame. :-)

Posted by: King Huet | July 2, 2008 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Re Nylander's Wife. Apparently "Swedish" sophistication is less than French. Ask Huet's wife who didn't want to stay in our fair swampland. By not going to Edmonton, she had to drop out of her curling league.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Nyls was quoted as saying that his wife wanted to come to DC when he decided to take the deal with the Caps - it was less $$, but he came to DC, anyway.

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

No worries for the Pens. Cindy kicks so much a@@, (s)he doesn't need anyone to pass the puck to. (s)He'll take care of the 1st line duties alone. "Puck Hossa" (s)he says.

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought Hossa would sign a long term deal somewhere. Wonder if he's just going to be a hired gun for the rest of his career....

Posted by: Matt | July 2, 2008 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Ask Huet's wife who didn't want to stay in our fair swampland

Huet's wife never said that. It's was Bob, a known Huet hater who started that.

Posted by: King Huet | July 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Huet's Wife -

Have fun in that European town called Chicago.

And yer fat!

Oh wait, is that a personal attack on a make believe person?

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@828

Please read the post above

Posted by: King Huet | July 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

McPhee RE: Green: ""It's really hard to find a right-handed defenseman, especially right-handed defenseman with the abilities of this player."

Why is it hard to find a right-handed defenseman?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@King Huet,

Fair enough. I'm just drawing the comparison between the two rumors about wives and club selection. While Huet's wife may or may not have liked it here, she couldn't have completely hated it, since they were supposedly looking for houses at one point...

But, this is still a swamp...

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is talking about Orpik, I think he might not be in the cards...

But what about Zhitnik?? He is pretty much S@H, and a vet to help the young guys along

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@DevilsCapsGal

GMGM said yesterday that he would be working on signing Feds over the next day or two.

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Tarik-Nice job on the Caps report can't wait to hear from Fedorov and others

Posted by: DC FURY | July 2, 2008 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Boo, IIRC a hockey player shoots with the opposite of his natural hand. In other words, Green is a lefty when it comes to writing.

Posted by: tallbear | July 2, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@Boo!

Its not THAT hard. But, if you look, there's a lot of left handed shots in the league. When I learned to play as a kid, I was told to take my dominant hand and put it at the top of the stick. I'm a lefty, so I shoot right. More people are dominant righties, so there are more lefties than you would think. I've never seen Green sign an autograph, but my guess is that he's left handed.

Based on absolutely nothing execpt my own ovservation among the youth of today, my sense is that this rule of thumb is changing as kids play other sports along with hockey. Sure if grow up in Canada, hockey might be your first sport, but if you grow up in the U.S., you might start with baseball, and start naturally swinging right handed as a righty, and then feel more comfortable playing hockey right handed.

YMMV

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Boo,
It should be a right handed shooting defenseman. Most right handed shooters are actually left handed. It's the left handed part that throws it off.

Posted by: sewk | July 2, 2008 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I know Bob... I don't think he started it though.

Huet's Wife:
http://web.wireimage.com/images/Thumbnail/51044369.jpg

Nylander's Wife:
Trying to find

Pronger's Wife:
http://www.hhof.com/graphfea/SCJ07_19b.jpg

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

K, I am done with the links.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:06 PM | Report abuse

one year ...hmmmm.... Makes me think that he wants a cup and then he is going to head to the Russian League. Doesn't want to be here any longer once he has sipped from Lord Stanley's Cup.

Posted by: Rmartin658 | July 2, 2008 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Wasn't Jarkko Ruutu on the Pens?

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:14 PM | Report abuse

@ JSchon...Vancouver already offered him 10 mil X 2 years now....by next year, it'll probably be more.

Posted by: Huck Fossa | July 2, 2008 3:15 PM | Report abuse

So that was Sundin - a washed up player....Hossa will get 10 next year....

Posted by: Huck | July 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Look for the Pens to sign Feds - they need the help. I know Brooks ain't going there. He hates everything about P-burg.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,
With all of the debate on the goaltending situation, can you get an interview with Dave Prior the goaltending coach? Maybe he can give us his feelings on Thoedore. Also his insights on and when Varlamov & Neuvirth will be ready to jump into the NHL would be nice.

Posted by: rj | July 2, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Ruutu abandoned the Pens ship as well... what the heck is goin on lol

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 3:20 PM | Report abuse

am I a bad person if all of these players leaving the Flightless Floppers brings me great joy?

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 3:22 PM | Report abuse

@Birdie- if so, I am going to hell

@828: is that a real rumor about feds or are you just looking on the dark side?

Posted by: honed | July 2, 2008 3:23 PM | Report abuse

mauree, TSN has yet to confirm Malkin - maybe it isn't true yet.

Birdie, I am enjoying this as well.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, anyone?
Who do you think the Caps might be watching?

Posted by: CA Caps Fan | July 2, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

and they didn't sign Fleury yet.

@honed
Based on the Pens boards, it's almost like they signed Jagr already. Many listing him on the forward lines. It's the Primadonna Penguins!

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@Huck Fossa

Hossa was available this season, why not $10M this year? What is it about next year that guarantees him 10 next year?

Why didnt VAN offer $10M to Hossa?

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

CBS Sportsline reporting on the GReen deal yesterday included this...

"McPhee said he had also begun negotiations with Sergei Fedorov, another free agent who was acquired at the trade deadline. 'We understand he would like to come back,' McPhee said. /We're going to work on some things on the next day or so.'"

Posted by: Baildog | July 2, 2008 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Honed,
It's not a rumor not am I trying to start one. I just looked at people leaving the Pens, they need help. Feds is a good option. I was just looking at who we had. Brooks and Feds, possibly Fehr, Cooke, and Gordon. Of those, I know for a fact Brooks will not go to Pittsburg. Feds, maybe?

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Malone, Hossa, Adam Hall, Roberts, Ruute, most likely Laroque and Orpick.....two full lines of forwards and a top 4 D man. Their GM might be in a little bit of trouble. Plus everyone they gave up in the Hossa deal.

Posted by: Pat | July 2, 2008 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I meant Fedorov, but cripes, pens fans want Jagr back? What are they, desperate?

Posted by: honed | July 2, 2008 3:27 PM | Report abuse

mauree,

Jagr - an old man who gives no effort. A perfect role model for Malkin!

Then there is Sid - a kid who crys and moans about everything. hey, that sounds like someone we know, Chief.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

McPhee on 980am @ 3:30

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@828

If it's Feds for Orpik... man, I love Fed but I'd do that deal. Otherwise I'd rather keep Feds. His enthusiasm and willingness to stay here is admirable.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

How about a story on Theodore's association with the Hells Angels ?

Don't forget the Loan Sharking scandel and the fines his daddy had to pay.

Way to go George, you signed a French Canadian Biker with Criminal ties.

Posted by: DetCup08 & 09 | July 2, 2008 3:29 PM | Report abuse

wait, confused. Which Brooks will not go to Pittsburgh? Orpik, because apparently no one who played in Pittsburgh wants to stay, or Laich, because, well, he's Brooks Laich and Brooks Laich is too awesome for Pittsburgh?

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Any updates on Nylanders receding hairline?

Posted by: Rogain | July 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@828: ok, phoo. Although why he would want to go there when they seem in the middle of a mass exodus... :P

Posted by: honed | July 2, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

At the golf event two years ago, I spoke with Brooks Laich - he wants nothing to do with Pittsburg... could you blame him? But, I guess that does not mean money doesn't talk.

Posted by: 828 | July 2, 2008 3:32 PM | Report abuse

heywaitupyouguys! I was only kidding about the soap! Where's everybody going?

Posted by: Sindy | July 2, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

For those interested, Theo is on the NHL network currently playing game #2 of the Western Conference Quarterfinals. He looks pretty good.

On a side note, I wouldn't have even pointed out the TSN Huet # @ 16.875 if it hadn't been posted AFTER the article they wrote about it. You'd think they would've corrected it on the signings page by now if it were an error...

But it's all water under the bridge anyway. Either Huet went to the Hawks for less money and more years (which we wouldn't have given him) or for more money than he's worth and more years (which we also wouldn't have given him).

My question on the Hawks situation is where are they trading the Bulin wall (seive)? Any thoughts?

Posted by: Raber | July 2, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

whoadupaminute! The sleep over idea was just to bring together team unity. That's all. Please come back.

Posted by: Sid the man | July 2, 2008 3:35 PM | Report abuse

@Raber

Dude, that's messed up about Huet. Now it's not the money? WTF?!

Posted by: MarcusFenix | July 2, 2008 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Ruutu just signed with Ottawa. Where was he last year? I do believe he was with Pittsburgh. I remember Lucic from Boston beating the %$#^& out of him in one of the longest hockey fights I have seen.

Posted by: kenwood | July 2, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Ruutu out of Pgh opens the door for Jagr to return --per Wikipedia "He won a Silver Medal as part of the Finnish national team at the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin, Italy During the Olympic tournament Ruutu gained notoriety when he checked Czech Republic winger Jaromir Jagr to the boards while Jagr was crouching. Ruutu received a double minor for boarding from the incident.

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Jarkko Ruutu was with Pittsburgh last year. Tuomo was in Carolina (and remains so)

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Hainsey to Atlanta.

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Scratch what I said about Theo looking good. Weak goal a few minutes ago...

Posted by: Raber | July 2, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

The big news about Ruutu is not only that he left, but for a mere 1.3M/year, a bargain. Why they didn't try to keep him is beyond me.

Something must be going on, probably with MT.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

He's got money - he wants a cup - obviously if the Pittsburgh offer s true there's either something he really doesn't like about the Steel City ot the Pens or he just doesn't think they'll win the Cup next season.

Can't wait till next season - LETS GO CAPS!!!!

Posted by: Usually Frustrated Caps Fan | July 2, 2008 3:49 PM | Report abuse

if he is giving himself only a year with the wings to win the cup, he can fo'get about it! the CAPS got this year in the bag. i mean, look who we have signed to make us better than last year and get us past the first round...wait. we lost huet? no federov? no improved D? mmmmmmmmmmmm. (i know it is only july 2nd, but still...sigh)

Posted by: yup | July 2, 2008 3:52 PM | Report abuse

http://penguins.nhl.com/team/app?service=page&page=TeamPlayers&type=roster

Orpik and Laraque are removed from their roster... mistake or something happened?

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@yup

A bunch of under 25 kids cant get better next year? Your rant is tired.

Posted by: Develop within | July 2, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

The Caps went 23-13-8 after Hanlon was booted and before Fedorov/Cooke/Huet were on board. They managed that record with poor goaltending and a young defense and no Pothier/Clark/Nylander. This team is fine. Let them grow, learn... Show them all the beauty they possess inside, give them a sense of pride...

But I digress... This team is not in shambles people...

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

@mauree

Orpik/Laraque were UFA's... they belong to no one July 1st. RFA's remain property of their teams.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Fedorov is still on the caps roster, and he's a ufa :)

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Well said, JSchon. And except for Huet, we still are not sure of the status of the other players you mentioned (though the signals about Pothier are not promising).

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@birdie

Wherever that is shown is incorrect. Fedorov is free like a birdie to fly anywhere he wants.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon

This team is fine for the regular season - not for a serious run at the SC. Do you agree on this or
do you think we have a shot, with this team, at the SC this year or the next or the next next?

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

why the hell not

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 4:10 PM | Report abuse

We had 8 OTL's... thats ghastly...

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

mauree:

i ain't JSchon, but without a defense upgrade i would have to say no next year

Posted by: doughless | July 2, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

@mauree

I say we have just as good a chance to make it the conference finals this year as any team. No one in the east is unbeatable. Detroit is a force, adding Orpik is going to be the difference either. This team needs to mature.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry my post was not meant to say we're not good. I'm just pointing out that defence wins the SC. Our D is and will be too young for the SC for 2-3 years. My opinion of course.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I don't like the sounds of this...

from capitals.nhl.com about development camp...

"All development camp on-ice workouts, which will include multiple scrimmages, are open to the public. The off-ice workouts are closed to the public. Camp concludes with a scrimmage on Saturday, July 12, the centerpiece event of Caps Fan Fest at Kettler Capitals Iceplex. Other activities that day include interactive games, music, free public skating, an equipment sale, autograph sessions and a question-and-answer session with chairman and majority owner Ted Leonsis."

It used to be a Q&A with Brooks Laich AND Ted Leonsis ...

Tarik - any news from Laich's agent?

Posted by: Tracy | July 2, 2008 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Teams dont go from barely making the playoffs to SC Champs in one year party people. I'm not saying its a guarantee, but we have the pieces ad one here or there, who knows.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Jschon, my comment was largely tounge-in-cheek. As in "oooh, Feds is still up! He must be coming back." (I wish, but I'm no fool)

Posted by: Birdie | July 2, 2008 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Guys who in the East has made themselves substantially better for us not to make a run at the Cup?

Montreal---no better than last year
Pitt----worse off
Wash----more experienced and better if healthy
Philly---probably slightly better due to experience
NJ---slightly better
NYR----losing Jagr, Straka, Avery hurts.
Tampa----better
Ottawa-----same as last year
Boston----same as last year
Car---improved D, lost Cole

Tor, Buffalo, NY Isles, Fla, Atlanta arent really in play at all.

Posted by: Pat | July 2, 2008 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon

I agree on that :D (hey! we agreed on something! hehe).

With Orpik we'd make that quality jump we really needed this year. But the Sens want him bad, the Pens would be fool to let him go. And gmgm said he's not looking for more FA. So I guess he won't come here :(

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Pat.

Thats exactly what I'm saying.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:20 PM | Report abuse

The Wings signing Hossa is a sign of which team the players respect and want to play for. They take less money to put on the Winged Wheel sweater. Hossa, Conklin, and Stuart all took less money to play at Joe Louis Arena. The Wings are the class of the NHL and have been for the past 15 or so years. 4 cups in 11 years.

All the discussion on the Caps should be on trying to get some defensemen. There is not one Cap defensement that would even make the top 8 in Detroit. Greene signs yesterday for $5 million more than Stuart and he wouldn't even play. The only Cap that would make the Wings roster is Ovechkin. The Caps are so far away from the Cup it isn't even funny. Wake up DC, this is basically minor league hockey - the SE is the worst in the NHL...

Posted by: YozerBozer | July 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@mauree

I got a little feisty earlier on one of my rants and it was directed towards you...

My bad...

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@YozerBozer

How many teams from the SE division have won a cup in the last 8 years? How many from the Central Division. One team does not make a division my friend.

Posted by: Pat | July 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@Pat, JSchon,

Its still early. Tampa is way better, but everyone else is sort of average. I think Ottawa is actually substantially better with Emery gone.

As for us, yeah, things look ok. But, there's still a lot of unsigned pieces, and we can't just assume they'll all be back.

As for the SC, staying healthy would be a nice start. One bad concussion to OV and the season starts looking bad.

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon

it's all good man, we're both obviously very fond of the Caps and the discussion can be heated sometimes

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@YozerBozer

Get a life dude... You're completely wrong with your assessment. I suggest you go to the Mystics blog.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@Pat
Man you are already running at the Cup and the Free Agency has merely started...

Just remember our start of the season last year and go and ask any Canes fans how they felt when they lost the Division and the PO run to a team "not really in play at all"...

Posted by: MarcusFenix | July 2, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@old time hockey

I agree, Tampa is way better than last year. Barry Melrose however, not so sure about him.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Tampa will have to win every game 6-5. Boyle is a bad a defender as any making more than $4.0M a year. They have a lot of pieces but its just been all throw together, Rolston figured that out and jumped ship.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:29 PM | Report abuse

Then I take back my "my bad" and replace it with "dude"

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

@PAT
I think Montreal is a bit better as is Boston...should be interesting year!

Posted by: Allpuckedup | July 2, 2008 4:31 PM | Report abuse

@ YozerBozer:

Perhaps you forget that this "minor league" team took your boys to Overtime earlier in the season before they even hit their stride, and the only reason the Caps lost that game was because of Olie's horrendous shoot-out performance.

Posted by: SuperCaps | July 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Tanpa also has suspect goaltending in addition to no D. Smith was pretty good when he had Dallas's D in front of him. At Tampa...? Not so hot. And Olie? Caps are going to light him up like the 4th of July (high glove side and 5 hole).

But yes, their offense is improved.

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Some seem to think Boyle may waive no-trade clause & also jump if TB works a deal.

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

@ Marcus,
Im not making a run at the Cup. Im just pointing out that anything is possible and noone in the East is substantially better than last year.

We havent gone out and made a dumb signing like over half the teams in the league did yesterday. So I think we are in good shape assuming we get the RFA's signed.

Posted by: Pat | July 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

We need to trade or get rid of Nylander, Clark, and Pothier. They are costing us $10,008,333 of cap space to play a total of 96 games. Thats another Ovie including playoff games. There has gotta be a few other guys out there that we can get more production out of, after all this is a business.

Posted by: JB | July 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Matt Cooke???????
Anyone

Posted by: LIVINT | July 2, 2008 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I hope we have a shootout against Tampa with Olie in net. He is horrible at them backhand side high glove. Goal!!!!!!!! I can hear the horn now and see Will Ferrel dancing.

Posted by: JB | July 2, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Nylander will be ready for training camp.
Clark may be ready for camp, unlikely.
Pothier, is done. We will get cap relief for him.

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I do hope everyone realizes that the first time we play Tampa, Ollie will be in net and have the GAME OF HIS LIFE!!!! He will skate off the ice and promptly retire. just saying...

Posted by: Lee | July 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Columbus deals Zherdev to the Rangers.

Posted by: Pat | July 2, 2008 4:39 PM | Report abuse

The Red Wings sure are the favourites for the SC next season. The Caps will be a serious contender in the years after.

Posted by: Middle | July 2, 2008 4:40 PM | Report abuse

Alex Ovechkin Nominated for ESPY as Best NHL Player .... the winner of which will be determined by fan voting that is open now at ESPYS.tv. Voting continues in 37 categories through 11:59 p.m. ET on July 12.

Just posted on the Caps web-site.

Posted by: Tracy | July 2, 2008 4:42 PM | Report abuse

plus nyls played only 38 games and was a -19 what a defensive liabilty

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

All these guys bailing out of Pittsburgh just lends credence to what I've been hearing all season... nobody can stand Michel Therrien. And Pittsburgh doesn't have that many quality guys on their farm team that they can move up. One or two guys, that's about it. I'm trying hard not to laugh at my Pittsburgh friends...

Posted by: tess | July 2, 2008 4:44 PM | Report abuse

but Nyls was an +50 on excellent solo skating with the puck

Posted by: nyls doesn't know how to pass | July 2, 2008 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Whoever it was above, I can't remember and am too lazy to look back, who even remotely suggested the possibility of an OV injury please keep in mind how superstitious hockey players and fans are. I just spit on my hand and threw salt over my shoulder just because I read your post.

Posted by: Kim | July 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

pitt farm team did go to the Calder finals so they obviously have some talent. I still hate Pitt though

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@Kim

haha :D in Italy we knock on wood or rub our nuts (only applies to guys :D )

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Nylander is a +75 player for his entire career, including that -19, which was the result of playing with one arm.

Prior to that he has had 5 straight year in the +

Posted by: JSchon | July 2, 2008 4:48 PM | Report abuse

And yes I also believe Olie has the game of his life left in him. Of course I also thought he had NHL comeback player of the year left in him after the All Star break too.

So much for my female intuition on that one.

I really hope that our first home game against Tampa is a little further into the season when the wounds have healed a little.

Posted by: Kim | July 2, 2008 4:49 PM | Report abuse

but recently Nyls can only seem to play effectively with JJ. maybe they both will play for Russian team

Posted by: Nyls loves Jagr | July 2, 2008 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else also wonder if it is not just the coach in Pitt? Personally I never really liked the owner (did not think Mario was that Super), and think his little roomate is learning the whinning from him vs. his parental lineage.

Just saying.

Posted by: Kim | July 2, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

pitt farm team did go to the Calder finals so they obviously have some talent. I still hate Pitt though

Posted by: | July 2, 2008 4:47 PM
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Some talent, but not loaded. Their goalie Curry (?)kept them in alot of games they would have lost otherwise.

Posted by: tess | July 2, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

How big of a rock in our shoe is this Continental League going to become?

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

P.S.

I could see Ovie as the Sportsman of the Year (not just NHL). But then again I am biased and have had a few beers.

I think I took everyone's commands to chill out too seriously.

But seriously, I will still be upset if Brooks Laich is not a Capital next season. (That is really the basis for all of my WTF why no signings by July 2nd anxiety). And no, it is not for the typically puck bunny reasons.

Posted by: Kim | July 2, 2008 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Come on Kim, fess up

Posted by: Kim has a crush on Brooksie | July 2, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Hossa to the Wings is just overkill. How many great players do they have room for? And how can they afford it? Wasn't the new cap system supposed to provide parity in the league? Wings were dominating before the lockout, and now they're at it again.

Posted by: farmgirl19C | July 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Kim

Must get out of work early? Or do you work for the PR org of the beer industry?

THAT'S a place I want to work at! They have samples on Fridays.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Kim and Brooksie sittin in a tree. Killing off Semin's hooking penalty.

Posted by: what's not to Laich | July 2, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

@ farmgirl19C

Just take a look at some of the Wings' player's salaries.

Zetterberg is making what 2.7 this year?
The wings are completely within the rules of the CBA and the cap. They have smart managment who finds a few gems that nobody else wanted...when some of those players are up for contracts, they will have some tough decisions to make.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

tallbear/sewk/old time:
Thanks, but GMGM said that Green was "right-handed" and that "right-handed dmen" were hard to find (hence my confusion). He must have meant that he shoots right ... nevermind! :-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

sewk:
Glad to see that you have started using the short-handed version of your name!! ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Orpik re signs with pens 6yr 22.5 mil

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Not that any of us really thought he was coming to DC, but Orpik just signed a 6 year, 22.5 million dollar deal to remain with the Pittsburgh Penguins. Oh well Fedorov might still sign with us......

Posted by: DC FURY | July 2, 2008 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Pittsburgh Penguins sign UFA defenceman Brooks Orpik to a six-year, $22.5 million contract.

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

havent heard anything about Zhitnik.

He might come cheaper than others..

go after him if you are looking for a vet D man.

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@boo!

no problem. Indeed he did mean he shoots right, not that he writes right handed. I'm not sure some of the players in the league can write at all. But, I diagress...

Posted by: old time hockey | July 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

*sigh*

Oh well... let's drink a beer... here's for our D developing fast, and our O making us forget we even need a D :D

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 5:18 PM | Report abuse

game over on adding a D-man. oh well

Posted by: doughless | July 2, 2008 5:22 PM | Report abuse

There are still a few D men out there to be had.

Personally, I feel Orpik is mediocore. He always throws those big late hits because he is always caught up ice and late coming back.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 5:25 PM | Report abuse

All is fine. It would have been nice to add somone this year, but we can enjoy another year of these BOYS overachieving, before becoming men and dominating the league!

Posted by: Leeguru | July 2, 2008 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Apologies for posting TSN's blunder on the Huet # multiple times. I just realized (took long enough) that 16.875 is 3*5.625, so I think whoever entered the number into the signing page thought he was signing for 3 years instead of 4.

Bad news about Orpik. Any Defensemen in left FA worth signing, or are we looking to the trade market now?

Posted by: Raber | July 2, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

@raber,

no worries. I freaked out too when I saw that late last night.

Posted by: Tarik | July 2, 2008 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Im gonna plead my case for Zhitnik

I've scoured and cant find anything about him signing anywhere or retiring

But in 15+ seasons he has scored 30pts or more 9 times. Has 40 some PP goals in that span.
Yes, he is a career minus player but he has always been a guy who got a LOT of minutes, esp with buffalo, so he is going to end up on the minus side of things.

He can QB a powerplay from the point. He is a solid vet who can help the young D men out. He is a stay at home guy who wont take any risks but will throw big hits in the corners.

Give em two yrs

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 5:43 PM | Report abuse

@5:25

Yeah, except for when he's in his own end and levels three dudes consecutively.

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 5:47 PM | Report abuse

Within the language constrictions of a "Family" oriented blog such as this, there's no way I can convey the disgust, contempt, and total dissatisfaction I feel toward General Manager, George McPhee. To describe him as being inept and inadequate, would in no way convey the feeling of repugnance I feel toward his pathetic execution of his duties. And, what blows my mind equally as much ( If not more ) is the public's acceptance, and endless number of excusses for his unacceptable TEN YEAR FAILURE. Only in Washington, D.C. would such gross "Negligence of Duties" be accepted for such a prolonged period of time. Only in our nation's capital would failure, upon failure, upon failure AGAIN, be tolerated with such mindless loyalty. I've concluded it must be the result of something they're putting in the water. Yeah!How explain such otherwise inexplicable behavior?
I've given this "Huet Fiasco" an inordinate amout of thought these last few hours. Probably more than is justified. And, once again I've arrived at the very same indesputable conclusion. GEORGE MCPHEE IS A STUMBLING, BUMBLING, INCOMPETENT EXCUSE FOR A GENERAL MANAGER. Of that, I have not the slightest doubt. I mean, gee wizz. Even Stevie Wonder could see it by now.
It's plain to see that George most definitely did not negotiate PROFESSIONALLY with Cristobal Huet. Not, when, by his own admission,he began the process by offering 3.7 million dollars. I mean, come on, George. THAT'S INSULTING!! You don't proclaim to the world that Cristobal is your # 1 choice, then begin by offering him a low - ball number like that. And, again by his own admission, that figure stood for AN ENTIRE MONTH! If you were in Huet's shoes, what would YOU think? I know what I'D THINK. "What's this guy's problem? He pays Kolzig 5 + million dollars, but he offers me 3.7? What kind of nonsence is that? Oh, I know. He's taking me for granted. He thinks that because I've already declared my desire to stay in Wash., that he can get me to sign for some kind of discount. Well, that's bull s t. Don't try and "Play" me, George."
So,a month turns into 6 weeks. Ten 8. And finally, ON THE VERY EVE ( Literally ) of Free Agency, George agrees to the amount Huet deemed to be acceptable at the very onset of negotiations. Well, if I'm Cristobal, I'm more than a little pissed by now. I'm thinking, "This sucker could have agreed to the 5 mil two months ago. What does he take me for? A fool? Well, screw him! I think now I'll see what someone else may offer me. He's had two full months to get it done. And hasn't. Now, it's MY TIME."
Basically, I fell that George took Huet for granted. It's almost as if George felt like Huet was salivating at the opportunity to be Ovechkin's team mate. Like he was simply overwhelmed by the chance to practice at Kepler. Like he couldn't wait for his team mates to allow him to be run over ( Repeatedly ) some more. In short, I think George way, way overvalued his organizations'attractiveness ----- AGAIN!!! He tried to "Play" with Huet's intelligence, and GOT "PLAYED" himself. So, what else can he do but put the spin on it that, "We got just as good a goalie for much less money." NOW, HE'S TRYING TO "PLAY" ME, and all the other fans. He no more believes that they're equal talents, than I believe I can sprout wings and fly.
What REALLY, TRULY PISSES ME OFF ( Almost as much as George's incompetence ) is seeing how willing most of you are to accept this mumbo jumbo. Just as you've been so easily convinced that last year's season was such a glorious success. PEOPLE, PLEASE!! Sneaking into the playoffs is being "Successful?" Wow!! what kind of 9 -5's do you people hold down.? It's obvious that words like "Accountability" aren't a part of your vocabularies.
In the fifty plus years I've been an avid fan of professional sports, I've NEVER SEEN A MANAGER BE ALLOWED TO BE LESS ACCOUNTABLE, RESPONSIBLE, OR SUCCESSFUL THAN GEORGE MCPHEE. He's set a new standard for ineptness, as far as I'm concerned. Yet, inexplicably the beat is allowed to go on, and on, and on some more. What a disgusting horde of losers the majority of you are. Shame. Shame. Shame on you. You know who "YOU" are.

Posted by: Puckguru | July 2, 2008 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Hi Puckguru - It's so nice to hear from you again!! :-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Looking like a trade for a D Man then. I still don't buy GMGM's "We aren't looking at any more FAs". Remember just before the trade deadline he was saying we would stand pat.

Also, I did notice above someone signed a player from the Swedish Elite League. Any chance we would take a gamble on a European based player? If the goalie pickings were slim in FA, why not look at someone from the Russian Superleague or Sweden.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Dave UK Caps Fan | July 2, 2008 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Wow, someone has been saving up time in the institute's computer room.

Back to the cell Puckguru, times up

Posted by: Dave UK Caps Fan | July 2, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I won't disagree that it's nice to have someone to blame in all this, but GMGM did what he could, gave Huet what he was asking for, and Huet walked. Rather than just hope for a trade, he went out and got the next best goalie available. There is still hope of a trade, but let's remember we wouldn't have ever had Huet if it weren't for GMGM. Not many general managers can get you a player such as Huet for a second round draft pick in 2009. However, i will say your rant was quite well written, but you might want to think this one through a little better.

Posted by: DC FURY | July 2, 2008 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Tommmy: How cheap could we get Zhitnik if he was to make $3.5 million before his buyout?

Boo!: You are so polite!

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

My last comment was @Puckguru, sorry i forgot that.

Posted by: DC FURY | July 2, 2008 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Guy like Zhitnik..twilight of his career..played only what 60 some games.

give him 3 mil 2 yrs at most with bonuses.

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 6:01 PM | Report abuse

correction

3mil/yr

you're not going to get the D man you want for any less than that much

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Wow that rant is like standard template from the BoD, lol.

Posted by: usiel | July 2, 2008 6:02 PM | Report abuse

i could see puckguru's post coming from a mile away...

Posted by: crystal-ball huet | July 2, 2008 6:04 PM | Report abuse

You know, I think Puckguru is right. GMGM should bend over and take it from every FA and just give them what they want. No need to negotiate...ever! Who cares if the salary they want is in line with their ability or experience. Doesn't matter.

Oh, and compare him to guys like Biron (3.5 mil), DiPietro (4.5 mil), Ryan Miller (2.667), Backstrom (3.1) and the 3 years at 3.7 mil is absolutely a fair starting place.

Posted by: Jeff | July 2, 2008 6:18 PM | Report abuse

There goes Orpik.... Pittsburgh got this one to stay. 6 years $3.75 mill per

Posted by: Mike | July 2, 2008 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Great to see you back PUCKGURU, well said.

Posted by: sewk | July 2, 2008 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Watch Pittsburgh turn around and move Ryan Whitney to Buffalo for Afinogenov. Makes sense for both teams. Pitt now carrying 7 dmen, need F help badly.

Posted by: Pat | July 2, 2008 6:36 PM | Report abuse

...and here I thought Puckguru was going to be happy that Huet left.

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 6:38 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about Zhitnik folks. We can do better and besides, why the interest in the first place.

We should be looking for younger players who are a year or two fourth line elements and improve from there.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | July 2, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Boo,
I figured you'd be overjoyed to read my words of wisdom once again. I mean, they truly stand out like beacons of light, when compared with the pitiful mutterings of the majority that clutter this board.
Just got back from spending six glorious days in Egypt. All I can say is, "WOW." I'd never been there before. An absolutely AMAZING place!! Gonna lay low until the last week of August. Then, the wife and I are flying to London to rendezvous with our daughter. Will be there only three ( 3 )days. Then, returning home.
I busted my butt for 38 years. Was blessed to be able to make real good money. Made a couple of decent investments. Now, I basically live the life of Riley, doing ( More or less ) as I choose. Hey! I earned it. One thing I don't do is obsess about Ov's jock strap 24 hrs. a day as many seem to do. I'm a fan. Not a fanatic. "Multidimensional" is a word that readily comes to mind.
Am looking forward to next season, as I'm certain many others are too . Good fortune, and happy huntin' to you all. LET'S GO CAPS!!!!!

Posted by: Puckguru | July 2, 2008 6:40 PM | Report abuse

@Puckguru
Does this mean, you won't be sending GMGM
a birthday card? You have serious mistakes in your logic on running a business. Get real.

Posted by: billd1960 | July 2, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Someone pointed me to HockeyBuzz b/c it related to Laich -> Don't know if there is any truth to it...

"There are rumours of an offer sheet for Brooks Laich. No word on what team."

Has anyone heard/seen anything else?

Posted by: Tracy | July 2, 2008 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Puckguru

I'm still taking a wait and see approach. I myself had been hoping/expecting SOME activity during this FA signing period. And yes, it's only been 30 hours, we've really seen nothing from the Caps.

As for Huet for Theo, I think it's 6 one half dozen of another. Now if these boys in Juniors don't develope into something special, we are in trouble.

Enjoy London!

Posted by: Lee | July 2, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

BernieWolfeFan:

I'm not advocating Zhitnik, just wondering what he is worth. I have a feeling the Caps will try to sign remaining FAs and sit tight -- opportunities to trade for a D-man will arise later. Maybe Fedorov will play some defense.

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 6:48 PM | Report abuse

*I* want Luongo, Lidstrom, cap space, picks, and some studly 19 year-olds *now*, Daddy!

Posted by: Violet Selfregard | July 2, 2008 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Philly re ups Randy Jones 2 yrs and Riley Cote 3 yrs

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 6:55 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Weight to the Isles 1 yr

Posted by: Tommmy | July 2, 2008 6:58 PM | Report abuse

gmgm created this goaltending situation on his own. What has not been acknowledged is Huet raised his demand after gmgm ran Kolzig out of town. That created and vastly improved Huet's value to the Caps. Huet (and his agent) CAPitalized on the situation. They knew what gmgm was ultimately giving and he took that to test the market. With offer in hand that gave him more bargaining power. After that it was "Shake and Bake", "THAT JUST HAPPENED! WHOA!"

Posted by: sewk | July 2, 2008 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Daaaaaave!! Where have you been hiding?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Uncatim,

Ok, no need to es-plan. I guess getting Mo on the books would be of help in this discussion.

Anyway, I'm liking the idea Alzner has a shot at making the show this year. Hopefully he too will be in Greens situation after his EL contract expires.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | July 2, 2008 7:25 PM | Report abuse

Bernie WolfeFan:

I'm hoping to get a fresh look at Alzner next week at development camp. My guess is I'll get a better look in Hershey.

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Uncatim,

Sounds good, see all of yoos there!

Posted by: BrnieWolfeFan | July 2, 2008 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Puckguru:
I honestly don't know what to make of your comments. Based on your previous attacks on me, I can only assume that I am included in your blanket statements. Regardless, if you ever want to discuss my opinions, my "9 -5", my understanding of accountabilities and/or my vocabulary, I would be happy to oblige - just say the word. You know where to find me ... we can discuss it one on one rather than via blanket attacks.

Beyond that, I would appreciate it if you would refrain from making offensive statements about the "majority" of us. That's just not necessary and, frankly, does not make a lot of sense ... after all, we are all cheering for the same team, right?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Tim:
I was at a loss for words ... how else do you respond to something like that? Oh, maybe the way I just did. Probably not, but maybe! ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 7:49 PM | Report abuse

Canadiens talking to Demitra (e3), Jason Williams e2,
and The NJ Devils are also talking to Fedorov

and The Canucks and Flames are looking at Antti Mietinen.

There are rumours of an offer sheet for Brooks Laich. No word on what team.
----------

I can see Toronto possibly going after Laich.

Posted by: From Hockeybuzz | July 2, 2008 7:50 PM | Report abuse

All I got to say is we could do a lot worse then McPhee. Look at some of these other teams, Matts getting offered 10 mil per and all the stupid signings the Leafs made. I really like the looks of the team and not overpaying for Huet is going to be much better in the long run for the team. I don't want one run at a cup, but a good team for a long time

Posted by: Mike | July 2, 2008 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Why does anyone post hockeybuzz related stuff on here? Not one Caps fan has any respect for Ekuland we lost it all with that "Ovechking and Kolzig to Nashville" rumor. Ekuland is an idiot.

Posted by: DC FURY | July 2, 2008 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Boo!,

Good point and reminder. Yes, we are all cheering for the same team right? This board should always be a fun place to be win or lose. Let's not forget that Caps Fans.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | July 2, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

puckguru, go read corey's interview with huet's agent. his agent admitted that it was he who dragged his feet, not GMGM. it was obvious that huet intented to play the market and his i'll stay in dc routine was all about negotiations. not sure what your job was that made you so filthy rich, but it probably didn't involve negotiating. if it did, you would know that you dont start high and work low (in the caps case). you start low and work up to the agreable number. thats what they did and huet said thanks but no thanks. good for him for getting his money. bad for his agent for being a jerk. there way no way huet was going to sign before the deadline, there just wasnt.

if you want to get on GMGM for this mess, you should blame him for thinking olie or BJ was going to bridge the gap to the young guys. the year before last, olie played ok for a guy who had really no defense in front of him. it was logical to assume he would be ok this year, which he wasnt. regardless, it wasnt logical to believe he could be the guy until he was 40 and ready to turn it over to neuvirth or varlamov.

Posted by: Cap Fan 1 | July 2, 2008 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Boo!:

It is OK. I think you do a great job dealing with negative posts. The first polite post made me laugh, but you don't need to be nice anymore. I just don't understand the amount of venom expressed on something that is supposed to be fun, at least to the majority of we posters that do not make our living from sports. All the hatred that a couple of posters throw around is just wasted mojo -- that hatred could be directed towards the Flyers or Jagr.

Posted by: uncatim | July 2, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Uncatim,

Props Caps Fan!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | July 2, 2008 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Boo!'s been nothing but mean to me. MEAN I tell you!

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 8:22 PM | Report abuse

@DC Fury

It is what it is...rumors are what we are all about at this time of year...

Nothing is fact until it shows up on tsn.com

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Tim:
AMEN!!! I don't get the venom, either. I REALLY enjoy hockey and other hockey fans, and love my Caps! If it all made me angry, well, then I would find a new hobby!

Thanks, Bernie ... GO CAPS!!! :-D

Keef:
What are you talking about?!? :-P

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 8:35 PM | Report abuse

It's all about the initial offer, low ball the wrong type of person and a deal will NEVER get done, out of principal.

Comparing an upcoming contract to contracts already in place has no merit, thought must be given to today's market value.

Caps needed Huey more than he needed them and (as usual) team manager made a crucial mistake, he treated this guy like many of the lower level players and low balled him.

I applaud frenchie for the way he handled it.

I posted that the Caps are a SECOND RATE organization and they never fail to deliver.

Posted by: Chief | July 2, 2008 8:38 PM | Report abuse

@Chief

Oh c'mon. It's painfully apparent Huet was after the most money possible. I can't fault him for that...he's entering the possible twilight of his career so it's of course in his best interest to get locked up and take as much as he can for it.

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

And now Chief is an expert on negotiation. Maybe he can turn his considerable knowledge to the energy situation or on ways to make himself look like less of a dumb @$$.

Posted by: Old Bob | July 2, 2008 8:42 PM | Report abuse

This blog gives me more laughs than anything I can find on TV tonite.

Posted by: OldPhil | July 2, 2008 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Puckguru,
It just makes me think of Cal Naughton Jr. "I'm not sure of your tactics, so I'm just going to stay tough right now."
Man, even when you are trying to be cordial you still get grief. Glad to hear you had a great trip. Hope you have a pleasant time in London, great to see your views.

Posted by: EL DIABLO | July 2, 2008 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Puckguru,

Sir, my hats off to you for that rant, it was most interesting. As I am a dumba@@ dock worker, I had to break out the dictionary to figure out the meaning of your multi-sylable words, but I digress (saw that word and liked how it looked, figured I'd use it).

I don't agree with you re: GMGM, but you are allowed your opinion, as am I.

Next time, could you avoid the massive run-on? Readability will be much better. Thanks.


Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
You've been book readin' again, haventcha?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:22 PM | Report abuse

EL DIABLO:
Cordial?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Boo,

You seeing right through the obfuscation permeating the blog?

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 9:26 PM | Report abuse

14 vertical... obfuscation! Thanks Steve!

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Steve,

Laffin'!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | July 2, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have a link to the interview from Olie yesterday on XM?

Posted by: keef | July 2, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
Grated, it is an obfuscation, but thankfully it is still a feuilleton.

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Boo, now I have to break out the dictionary again...

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

This is what I play inserting into any of Chiefs bloggs
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HE9zAINr5G0

Posted by: Chief blogg insert | July 2, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
dictionary.com is a wonderful thing!! ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I was just on the CBC.CA website looking at transactions. Grapes last HNIC Coach's Corner was "Gary Roberts is an inspiration to the Penguins."

I guess so! All of them left! Right after he did.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Greg:
I was poking around trying to see if there were any good Dmen left ... seems like the only "good" players who are left are forwards, no?

BTW, tsn.ca had a list of "all star" free agents, and the two keepers who are listed are CH and JT.

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Greg S,

Not many of them left, that's for sure. I'm thinking Orpik could have gotten more $ outside of Pitt, was the 6 years the selling point to stay there?

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Left as in still there..

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
Now I need the dictionary ... ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Insert for any of chiefs comments
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cvotwO0Kwo

Posted by: This one is better | July 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Boo,

Yea, it's looking thin on the ufa d-man front. At least for "talent".

Still nothing on Cooke. Wonder in NY will throw in a offer?

Posted by: Steve R | July 2, 2008 9:49 PM | Report abuse

GMGM says he's not going to be active now in the FA, that he's going to concentrate on getting our RFA deals done - they all already have qualifying offers on the table.

Hmmm...why don't I believe him? Could it be because of past history? He did say that maybe in August he might do something with a trade.

In the words of the immortal Yogi Berra, "it ain't over 'till it's over".

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

@Steve

6 years 22M was what he was looking for, but the Pens didn't want to give that much. I think Hossa leaving cleared money for him. All this from the Pens boards.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Steve:
I dunno. I doubt Cooke will stay, but I wouldn't count him completely out - it probably all depends on how much $ is left over. Anyway, maybe we'll get a S@H guy via a trade? (Humor me! ;-))

Greg:
You are smart to be suspect - he is a gamesman (good, bad or indifferent, he seems to like playing the game).

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

Steve

It must have been the number of years and the amount. 6 years is a long time. That'll do him until he's 30 or 31 I think. And to be stuck at 3.75M per year in the prime of your playing years...doesn't seem right to me. It may be a bit rich now, but the out years is very lean, I think. Understand he is coming up just a tad - from $1M per year (according to a spreadsheet I have from last year). I would have thought that he'd do better than that on the offer sheets.

It's frustrating not knowing what the offers were that came in. I have to believe that there were better, shorter term deals. I guess this shows the psychology of the guy.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Actually, it's a known fact how McPhail likes to begin negotiations as insulting as possible (with the exception of AO) and then nickel & dime his way the salary is comfortable with..unless he has that person by the nads, and then he's hailed as a master negotiator.

I agree w/ Chief. McPhail starts out at $3.1M for a goalie he knows is going to command near $5 anyways, and at the last minute says "yeah, ok, you got me - you can have $5/per..but only 3 years.....and after all the nickel & diming - him/his agent move on....b/c you know if you can get McPhail up to $5, someone out there is going to offer you more.

The list of hold-outs is endless around here - Witt, Zubrus, Halpern, Oates, even Bondra for crying out loud. All McPhail - all the time.

I can't wait to find out what "projects" are coming to camp this year.

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 2, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

Boo

It's really hard to tell. The data is not in any useable format, so it's hard to manipulate. It seems to me that the D and goalies went first, or close to it. I think we're lucky in that ShoMo is unobtrusive and stays in the background. I don't think that there are too many GM's out there that even know he exists.

I was looking at the line-up, though, on Hockey Buzz. We have 6 centers. That seems like an awful lot to me. There's 4 LW and 3 RW. Doesn't that seem low? This is how it looks

Michael Nylander C
Viktor Kozlov C
Nicklas Backstrom C
Tomas Fleischmann C
Alexandre Giroux C
Brooks Laich C
Boyd Gordon C

Alexander Ovechkin LW
Alexander Semin LW
Donald Brashear LW
David Steckel LW

Chris Clark RW
Matt Bradley RW
Eric Fehr RW

Considering Clark's problems with his groin, we really only have 2 RW.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

flash is not a center

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

kozlov is a rw

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Jaymags

3.1? Where did you get that? The start was 3.7 for each of 3 yrs. and he waited a month with no response. After a month, Huet countered 3 yrs 5M per. GMGM counters with 3 yrs at 4.3M, Huet no budge. GMGM goes up to 3 yrs, 4.6M per. No budge from Huet.

This is negotiation? Sounds one sided to me. The class of goalie that he is, 3.7 is close to where he should be. 4.6 is over where he should be.

So GMGM meets their demand of 3yrs 5M. Huet's response is 'I'm checking the market.' This is the day before FA.

As GM I'd be looking for alternatives. And there is one out there. 2 yrs at 4.5 for the same quality goalie. Over priced a few hundred K, but still a good deal. We have a starting goalie that will be basically a long-term rental.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I thought so. Maybe I should open my own statistics shop and get some accurate info in there. Maybe there's a buck or two.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

My source on that, BTW, was HockeyBuzz.com. I tried to get it through NHLSCAP.com, but they redirect now to hockeybuzz. I'm going to have to look for a different resource now. bummer...

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't seem like there's a whole lot to talk about until we hear about Laich, Fed, and Fehr - figured I'd throw out a bone: What do people think of Christian Ehrhoff of the Sharks?

He's RFA, but the sharks have about 11.5 mil to play with inside the salary cap with 5 roster spots to fill (and they mostly need forwards). I'm guessing he'd bank around 2-3 mil per at his age with his stats.

Thoughts?

Posted by: Raber | July 2, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the Caps homepage lists Flash and Koz as centers...

Posted by: Greg S. | July 2, 2008 11:07 PM | Report abuse

Greg:
Not only is some of the info wrong, but some of those guys have played in different positions. Regardless, I am surprised that they list Giroux.

Did anyone notice that Malkin was signed?

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

steckel is a center

Posted by: Anonymous | July 2, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Looks like you guys did talk about Malkin, but I don't see the terms above; here they are:

"The Pittsburgh Penguins have signed Evgeni Malkin to a five year contract extension worth $43.5 million. The extension mirrors the one signed by Penguins captain Sidney Crosby in July of 2007, a five-year deal averaging $8.7 million."

That's a lot of $$ to have tied up in 2 guys.

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

@Raber

I don't know him well but he seems a rather promising young D. No good vet left, I'd go for it. I doubt the Sharks will let him go though.

Posted by: mauree | July 2, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I am still pinching myself!!! Barring horrible injuries REPEAT REPEAT!!!! & btw - Hossa was offered 6 or 7 years at $50 Million from the Pens. This deal happened because Hossa WANTED to be a Red Wing - classy organization from top to bottom, its really a "family" more than anything else. let's see - playing w/ the best 2-way players in the league, up & coming power forward in the Mule, no crazy french coach in whiner thierren, no captain that is only about himself, no returning to a team where 5 players bolted already, good friend Kopecky plays on the team (& talked up the classy org to Hossa), played w/ Cleary & Lilja in during the lockout, Uncle Mike is all about winning, classy organization, suburbs are actually very nice..... yes, pittsburgh for 7 years at 50 million or detroit for 1 year at 7.4 million (no one gets paid more than Lidstrom). Oh yah, difficult decision for Hossa to make (not!).

Posted by: DLS | July 2, 2008 11:24 PM | Report abuse

The word that comes to mind for defending McFiFi, Clueless.

It's amazing how many people on this blog can justify everything in favor of GM.

What's even more amazing is the neglect by the entire Caps ownership group.

At what point will members of that group finally pick up the phone and ask the Majority owner, why can't they sign a Bonafied marquee free agent ?

Make no mistake, OV was handled by Ted, Semin was done to appease OV and Green was done to avoid free agency.

Theodore is a bum, congratulations Caps nation, your GM signed a gangster goalie that can't stop a shot from half the peewee players in the area.

Posted by: Chief | July 2, 2008 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Boo! - remember Flower (aka Andre-Fleury) is going to arbitration w/ the Pens, so they might be forced to pay him what Huet is making in Chicago (sorry overpaid - if Jose is back on track & showing flashes of his MVP year, could turn out better deal for Caps than say keeping Huet, pissed though that Kolzig was treated like crap & forced out). So, they might have not only about 17 mil for those 2 "superstars" but also 5-6 mil for their goallie - i mean he did get them to the stanley cup!

Posted by: sarah | July 2, 2008 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Hossa can be replaced, so far the Pens have lost 2 players worth caring about, Malone & Hossa.

With Crosby, Malkin & Fleury in place, the rest will be managed.
Laughing at the team that "took a shot" and made it to the finals is pathetic.

OV & Semin are positioned perfectly, for another world championship run, woohoo.

Posted by: Chief | July 2, 2008 11:32 PM | Report abuse

@Boo: in 2009-2010, the Penguins already have committed 30 mil to 5 players (Crosby, Malkin, Gonchar, Whitney, Orpik).

But is it that much different from us? We're looking at 28 mil going to 5 players both this year and next (OV, Semin, Nylander, Green, and Theodore).

Posted by: Raber | July 2, 2008 11:33 PM | Report abuse

Sarah:
Funny thing is that I don't think the Pens will be as good this season as they were last season ... even if they tie up almost half of their cap in 3 guys. :-|

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Federov is NOT going to resign w/ the Caps if George keeps on throwing him $2million. He is a prima dona even in his old age. he bolted from the Wings because he felt he deserved more money. If the Caps don't offer him more like the $4 mil he wants, he goes to Russia or another willing team. Someone suggested he could play Defense - yes, that is true, but he HATES playing defense. Scotty Bowman used to MAKE him place defense as a way to punish him and motivate him to play better offense when he got complacent.

Posted by: IHEARTLIDSTROM | July 2, 2008 11:38 PM | Report abuse

Raber:
In a cap controlled world, every million makes a difference! :-)

Posted by: Boo! | July 2, 2008 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Monsieur McPhee,

vous perdu ma famille de temps et m'a insulté. J'espère que vous don t traiter tout le monde la même.

J'ai apprécié le temps à Washington.

Posted by: Cristo | July 2, 2008 11:42 PM | Report abuse

@Boo! :-) I am gleefully that the Pens will not be the same as they were last year. Although, I think the Wings/Pens built up a pretty good rivalry in the finals & us poaching 2 of their players will only add fuel to the fire (& makes us Wings fans giddy). Yah, they have their core in tact, so they'll be good, but losing their role players 'should' hurt them next year. You never know though how injuries play out in the post season.

Posted by: Sarah | July 2, 2008 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Nice work with babelfish Cristo, but I don't think it was able to translate "don't"

Posted by: Raber | July 2, 2008 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Hey, where's the local Hells Angels hang out ?

Anyone need a loan ? Maybe I can finance your next Pizza place ?

15%, 10 points (per week).

Posted by: Theo | July 2, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

@Boo! & Raber

...and don't forget that you'll be adding Backstrom and possibly a new Semin contract to the mix in two years.

We won't be different, heck, we'll probably be in a worse situation.

It's great having a bunch of young guys, but if they're good, you can only hold on for so long.

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Way too much to read after being gone all day. Give the cup to Detroit now.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | July 3, 2008 12:58 AM | Report abuse

EL DIABLO,
"Man, even when you are trying to be cordial, you still get grief." Yeah, that's true. but, fortunately, it's only from a few died - in - the wool, true blue jerks. If one word could sum up their type, I believe the word would be, "Petty." But, trust me, EL D. Their negativity doesn't discourage or deter me one bit. Basically, the only thing it accomplishes is to amuse me. So...
Thanks for the good vibes. I certainly appreciate it. Peace......

Posted by: Puckguru | July 3, 2008 2:17 AM | Report abuse

Please dont respond to "Chief-Tard."

He is a drunk Pens fan with no job up in Pittsburgh. His life goal is to rattle this blog.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 5:26 AM | Report abuse

Hi Boo,

Been back a few days now and been reading the blog without commenting for a week or so.

I did have a break watching Man United win the Premier League and European Champions League!! Also Euro 2008 took up a lot of my time as I ran a prediction contest (which I won!) between colleagues and friends.

In between it all I managed to get a break to Prague for a few days. Lots of Jagr shirts for sale......jerks!

Off to Mexico in December, Riviera Maya. Any travel tips would be appreciated!

Back now to enjoy the madness of this blog!

Posted by: Dave UK Caps Fan | July 3, 2008 6:09 AM | Report abuse

@Boo! What don't you like about Giroux? You said you were surprised to see him listed. Guessing you think he's a career AHL player. Why, what's your op on him? Curious, I've never been to Hershey but I thought he did ok a ways back when he had a few games @Verizon.

Posted by: Alexandre Giroux...not! | July 3, 2008 6:55 AM | Report abuse

Chief - seriously, what is your deal with management. The reason why people don't have a problem with it is because we all have hope. Nothing is set in stone - even Detroit has to win games to repeat - it's not going to be easy for them. And who cares about about Pittsburg and their run to the cup? What did that prove? Buy something, trade your future picks, and fail? If you are a Caps fan - you hate the Pens... no matter if they are winning or losing. Either way, I will laugh at them all day, especially after they tanked their last game of the season. They are a joke.
I am just confused as to if you are a Caps fan or not. The only thing you are consistant about is - you hate McPhee. The Caps got burned - pre-lockout with the players they signed. Now, they are trying to rebuild with young talent and developing a core. How is that so hard for you to understand? Do you understand that? Does that make sense to you? Can you comprehend that? McPhee is on a budget - have you ever had to budget... of course you are going to try an pay the cheapest price. Ever search around for Gas prices? For me and GMGM - I would rather be supportive (because I cannot do anything about it and all of us have to deal with what we have and 'support' them), then constantly complain to people on a 'blog'. Hey Chief, good for you - you are truely changing the world... look how many people are on your side. You are so wise! I once couldn't stand you, but now I feel sorry for you. It must be the attention you need - well, here you go Chief.

Oh, and Caps did not need Huet more than Huet needed the Caps. Huet played great with the Caps (against the remaining games which included the SE division teams), but soon you will see it was a bigger mistake for Huet than it was for the Caps. Good luck against Detroit and Nashville all season!

Posted by: 828 | July 3, 2008 8:00 AM | Report abuse

Giroux...not!

Besides the fact that Giroux never played in the NHL, and, specifically, with the Caps? Nothing at all against him.

It just illustrates that the user of NHLSCAP.COM needs to be careful and check the data a few times in different places. Just like we have 6 or 7 (depending upon whether you want to include him or not) centers, and only 3 RW. Pretty fundamental data elements, but if they don't get that right, what else is wrong?

Posted by: Greg S. | July 3, 2008 8:03 AM | Report abuse

2006-2007 Washington Capitals:
9 Games Played - 2 goals scored - 2 Asssist

4 points in 9 games for a "journey" AHL player. Not bad in my eyes. He could easily be a 20 goal scorer and 20 assist.

Posted by: LongLiveGiroux | July 3, 2008 8:11 AM | Report abuse

Some of you posters are comical in your "theories" as to how to manage a team.

@ Puckguru (you wish)

i don't necessarily have to repeat what was already said, but GMGM made a low offer to find out what the ceiling for that player was. Once he found it, he made an offer that was a ballpark offer to see if there was any wiggle room (mind you, Stephen Bartlett waited over a month, by his own admission, to respond to GMGM) In business (sports or not) this is called "negotiating" ... and any GM that just throws top dollar at all free agents isn't worth the chair he sits in. (See Washington Redskins)

Also... to give Puckguru a real name to chew on, for ineptness, Matt Millen. That guy is a moron...

I'm not a GMGM guy, personally I could care less how good or bad of a GM he is... I just can't stand looking at him or listening to him... he annoys me. that "what's that horrible smell" face that he wears at all times... and the way he seems to speak down to everyone... but i digress... to say he failed in these negotiations is foolish. Huet wanted to squeeze out top dollar for a 20 game stretch... seems to me, if he were that good, he'd have fetched more than a 2nd round pick at the trade deadline (or not got traded at all...) but he can't hold carey price's jock.

the strange part is... i like huet, and am upset that he didn't wanna stay here, but to blame things on the negotiations is a lame grasp for an excuse to continue slamming McPhee.

@ Jaymagz

Witt was (and still is) a bum. Solid career +/- (-39) for such a stellar D man. (ps... the trade for Witt was for another bum - kris beech - and our future #1 goalie - simeon varlamov)

Zubrus - As GMGM stated in his presser... got Kozlov, who has better stats (season and career), is cheaper, and has a shorter contract term. Also picked up a 1st-round pick (couldn't find where that pick actually ended up)

Halpern - is a 3rd (maybe 2nd liner) anywhere else... left via free agency, never has had more than 45 points in a season and the caps are stacked at center. couldn't hack it in Dallas... and other than a decent stretch at the end of last season... was mediocre at best last season as well

Bondra - although a fan favorite and my all-time fav player... didn't do squat when he left here and we picked up Brooks Laich in that trade, who these boards are begging be re-signed.

@ Chief... you're posts are just not worth reading. we know your feelings toward management, enjoy your NHL video games where YOU are the GM!!

Sombrero, JSchon, 828, Boo... or any others with some sorta hockey sense care to comment on this?? I tried to stay neutral and let common sense speak for itself, but if any of this is off base, i'd like to know...

Posted by: Scofield | July 3, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

Here is a better stat for all you (Huet is our savoir).

vs Non-Playoff teams w/ Caps (ALL SE DIV - FLA, TB, CAR, ATL, 1 vs NSH)
8 - 0

vs Playoff teams w/ Caps (Including Playoffs)
6 - 6

Wow, those are tough wins against the bottom of the barrel teams of the SE. 2 of those wins came against Carolina. So, he is .500 against Playoff caliber teams. Does not sound like a savoir to me.

Posted by: 828 | July 3, 2008 8:13 AM | Report abuse

I like Giroux. Hershey is a great town to be a journeyman AHLer. The Bears should be a better team this year -- the return of Mink is a big plus. I wonder which Caps prospects will be sharing goal duties with Machesney & I suspect Alzner will be keeping the pucks from reaching goalies.

Posted by: uncatim | July 3, 2008 8:18 AM | Report abuse

Scofield - made sense to me. But, I am just a supportive fan. I think logically and try not to complain all the time. No one likes a complainer... think I learned that in the 3rd grade.

Posted by: 828 | July 3, 2008 8:19 AM | Report abuse

@ 828

Well, at least it made sense... verifies i'm not completely out of my mind! :-)

Posted by: Scofield | July 3, 2008 8:27 AM | Report abuse

So far, Team Manager has not addressed DEFENSE, has "settled" for a bum goalie that's linked to criminal activity, and has yet to sign bread & butter players.

Coach of the year and Ovechkin, all a DIRECT result of being a loser, what a great occupation to be in.

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 8:32 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: Chief comment | July 3, 2008 8:39 AM | Report abuse

@Scofield

All my post are basically my resume for the Capitals GM job.

Will I get it?

I get the GM job when Chef and Puckzero hold hands with GMGM and stroll through the National Zoo and agree on hockey.

You get it Scofield.

TBH, Chief and Puckguru are the opposite end of the spectrum to the fans with red, white and blue Capital glasses on. Both are annoying in their own way. I try not to read any of their posts.

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 8:49 AM | Report abuse

@ Chief, there is not a great crop of UFA defencemen this year. The Rangers overpaid big time for Redden and the Pens overpaid for Orpik.

The Caps have a young defence that keeps on improving each season. Do we really need a extreme physical presence on the blue line. Looks to me like Detroit did just fine without one.

The Caps will be adding Alzner this season and my feeling is that even at this early stage of his career he can bring more to the table than Wade Redden.

Only time will tell.

P.S. I would stay away from the likes of Zhitnik

Posted by: billy barule | July 3, 2008 8:54 AM | Report abuse

The signing re-unites Avery with Hull. They were on the Detroit Red Wings for two seasons earlier this decade. Although Avery has a reputation for being something of a high-maintenance player, Hull, himself a well-known hockey extrovert, said, "I don't know anyone who in recent years who has had a hard time getting along with him.

"To me, he's one of the most personable guys I've ever met. He definitely has an individualistic personality. goes against the stream, which I kind of like. He kind of reminds me of myself in that way. But I think every team needs that."

Posted by: King left the building | July 3, 2008 8:56 AM | Report abuse

828,

Good stat re Huet.

Several people have pointed out how JT only turns it on when looking for a contract.

The same could be agrued about Huet's stellar run at the end of last year. He knew he was out of contract come 1st July and turned in on with the hope of securing maybe his last big contract.

Not that I blame him for trying to get what he can but who's to say that now he's secure and comfortable he'll play as hard as he did in the final 2 months of last season. If he is going to be tossing it off, I'm glad he won't be doing it in DC.

Posted by: Dave UK Caps Fan | July 3, 2008 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I remember the first time Brendan Witt held out, for two years, Poile was GM and Witt wanted "Pronger" money. Witt never lived up to the hype, IMHO. He was an average d-man at best, slow and no offensive skills. The trades McPhee made over the past five years have panned out extremely well, netting Semin, Gordon, Morrisonn, Green, Schultz, Fehr, Varlamov, Flash, Steckel, Laich etc (a few might have been Caps own pick). I wish we would have kept Mike Grier. I expect Laich will get a $2.5-3M offer. He's a decent player, and that is the money they are throwing around. Morrisonn might get nearly two mil. Caps will do well this year.

Posted by: Tom in FL | July 3, 2008 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Um... who is the poster in here that loves Zhitnik?

Zhitnik would be a colossal mistake even at the veteran minimum.

Guy I'm telling you, keep the defense as is this year. Leave it alone, let them keep learning and growing.

Next season, Kozlov is off of the books, Pothier is off of the books (I think), trade Poti and re-sign Steckel.

And sign UFA, Mike Komisarek... Montreal already has 2 defensemen at over $5.5M per season in Markov and Hamrlik. They are going to have 14 FA's to sign. Komisarek is a monster, a smart monster. Pair him with Alzner.

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

...he bolted from the Wings because he felt he deserved more money. ...Someone suggested he could play Defense - yes, that is true, but he HATES playing defense. Scotty Bowman used to MAKE him place defense as a way to punish him and motivate him to play better offense when he got complacent.

Dude, he bolted from the Wings for LESS money. Check the facts before posting.

He played D for Columbus because of multiple injuries and tjhe players applauded him for that, literally, after one games he walked in and the players applauaded for that. source: Clumbus Dispatch.

He played excellent D for Caps, it was beautiful, and he, not BB, suggested that because of the injury to Caps d-man (who was that, Schultz?)

Bowman put him on D because Feds wanted more ice time, that's true, he always demanded more ice time, and Bowman said, "ok, you want more ice time, how about playing D?". BTW, nobody ever heard a single complain from Feds about that.

So, again, check your facts before posting, and stop spreading bad rumors.

Posted by: King | July 3, 2008 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Well, they just overpaid for an offensive D-Man and a goalie, that is at best struggling to regain #1 form.
They also overpaid for Nylander, Pothier to name a couple.

Excuses for not addressing defense, not signing the goalie you were supposed to, are all BS.

Second Rate organization, That's why Huey BAILED.

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 9:04 AM | Report abuse

If we're second rate, what does that make PIT?

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Pit ? You mean the team that sold out how many games after Crosby arrived ?
The same can't be said for the Caps or OV.

You mean the franchise that WON 2 cups and appeared in the finals last year ?

Clown

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Although hugely unpopular...

Flash is making the lineup this year. 30 points in 71 games is enough to keep the experiment on.

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:12 AM | Report abuse

@chief

I'm talking aobut the fire sale they're having...

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:13 AM | Report abuse

@chief

Im talking about the word in the lockerroom that everyone hate Therrien

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:15 AM | Report abuse

@chief

I'm talking about the fact that Hossa was given a long term commitment and the same money to stay in PIT...

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Look again, 2 guys that are key have left, one was a rental in Hossa, the other Malone.
With Crosby, Malkin & Fleury in place, this team is in position to contend.
I'm not a Pens fan so I won't dive into details.

I answered the question, The Pens have won 2 Cups and appeared in the finals this past season, they have also sold out more games since the arrival of Crosby than Caps owner could ever dream about.

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Bowman was one of the most hated coaches in hockey, yet every player thanks him for it. Therrien is no worse than Bowman, he demands 110% every shift.

I think it's great that Hossa, Malone and the others realize this and leave, this only makes the team better by keeping guys on board that buy into the coach.

Don't be surprised if the same happens in DC, Kolzig was just a little taste of what's to come this year.

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Chief,

Add in as players that Pitt lost what they gave up to get Hossa. That will hurt them in the long run, short term as well when they have to play AHL'ers that aren't ready yet this season. Plus Roberts and Rutuu.

Posted by: Steve R | July 3, 2008 9:30 AM | Report abuse

Plus the Pens gave up C.Armstrong/E.Christiansen/A.Esposito and a 1st rounder that ended up being D.Leville...

for what?

P.Dupuis

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Chief,

What are you saying, that Kolzig didn't buy into BB? Seems like everyone else responded to him..

Posted by: Steve R | July 3, 2008 9:37 AM | Report abuse

Why all the Kozzy hate? It's not like we have any scary-good RWs after he and Clarkie.

Posted by: Jordan | July 3, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

Bowman vs Therrien? Are we really having this conversation?

What a joke...

Why dont we compare Red Auerbach to Scot Skiles...

or maybe...

Bill Parcells to Norv Turner

or perhaps...

Connie Mack and Dusty Baker...

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:41 AM | Report abuse

Someone please tell me that Chief didn't just compare Bouds to Therrien.

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 9:42 AM | Report abuse

No Kozy hate here...

Just thinking economics and what is really needed...

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Hossa was a rental - they wanted to keep him but couldn't commit too many $$ for that (and I agree, can't give him 10M). Bad luck for them, he went to the only team they should have avoided the trade with.

The other huge losses for the Pens were Malone, Roberts, Adam Hall and Ruutu. They should have been part of the "core" they're talking about. I don't see how replacing so many key players will keep the Pens at such high level.

Posted by: mauree | July 3, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Whoever said that Pitts overpaid for Orpik I think is wrong. I hate the Pens, but getting him for 6 years at under $4mm per I think is a good deal.

Chief, do you have more fun cheering for the Caps or tearing them down. All you do is support every other team even when they do the same things or worse with their off season moves (or non-moves).

You really feed off of this, don't you?

Posted by: CT Caps Fan | July 3, 2008 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Ducks Burke Blames Salary Rise on Oilers GM
TSN

After signing free agent forward Corey Perry to a five-year extension worth $26.63 million on Tuesday, Ducks general manager Brian Burke had some choice words about the new salary climate in the NHL and Edmonton Oilers general manager Kevin Lowe.

Burke told the Los Angeles Times that the rise in salaries for young players can be traced back to Lowe.

"You go right now from entry-level to what used to be the third contract, thanks to two offer sheets from Kevin Lowe," Burke said to the Times.

"Most [general] managers don't like starting fights with any other managers. . Thanks to the Edmonton Oilers, the second contract has disappeared."

"They're all being re-signed at inflated prices," he explained to the newspaper. "Everything I said a year ago has come true. Every single word."

Burke and Lowe have been at odds since the Oilers put forth a five-year ($21.25 million) offer sheet to Group II restricted free agent Dustin Penner. The Ducks did not match and Penner became an Oiler.

At the time, Burke explained he had no problem with a team putting an offer sheet forward offer sheets but the money involved was the issue.

"I think [an offer sheet] it's a tool certainly a team is entitled to use," Burke said last July. "My issue here is this is the second time this year in my opinion Edmonton have offered a grossly inflated salary for a player, and it impacts on all 30 teams and I think it's an act of desperation by a general manager who is fighting to keep his job."

The Ducks' GM was also critical of the process employed by Lowe and the Oilers.

"I was not notified of this until an agent faxed it into us," Burke told Canadian Press in July. "I thought Kevin would have called me and told me it was coming. I thought that was gutless."

The verbal jabs continued and on the TSN 2007/08 season preview show the Ducks GM had more to say.

"If I had run my team into the sewer like that I wouldn't throw a grenade at the other 29 teams and my own indirectly," said Burke.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 9:48 AM | Report abuse

All the moves the Pens have taken to get to this point have been extremely risky, mortgaging their future...

They rolled craps...

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Chief, you are premature in every comment you make. Do you have that problem in other areas of your life as well?

Posted by: 828 | July 3, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

The Joke is comparing the Caps to the Pens, over and over again.

The joke is not realizing these teams are far apart, one team has WON the cup twice and were in the FINALS last year, has SOLD OUT more games with Crosby than OV/Caps could ever imagine.

To allow the same person that RUINED the franchise over the past 10 years, to remain in place is the biggest JOKE of all.

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 9:52 AM | Report abuse

The Caps starting selling out after the team started winning. Washington area fans are notoriously fair weather. All one has to do is look at the quality of fan in the last month of the season; some were down right embarrassing. As the team gets better (and it will continue to do so) the fans will get better and more numerous. As for Pittsburgh selling out, what else is there to do there? Steelers and Pens, that's it!

The team is still going in the right direction. There will be some bad moves along the way (there always are)but the direction the team moves is still a positive one. The end of the season is the only time to evaluate the moves made in the offseason.

Posted by: Leeguru | July 3, 2008 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Chief, I do not disagree with part of that statement, however, you and puck spin everything into this black cloud debacle that just isnt there.

You try to find negatives in everything the Caps do as an organization. Its boring and it consumes you.

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

All Pitt Needs is: Fluery, Malkin, and Crosby - and Chief you say they can contend. What about the defense they need. According to you, defense is important. However, those 3 names you mentioned do not play defense.

So, what's to say, Green, Ovechkin, Semin, and Backstrom cannot get it done.

Posted by: 828 | July 3, 2008 10:01 AM | Report abuse

I just voted for Ovechkin for the ESPY, now back to waiting for some Caps news. Feds, Laich, anybody?

Posted by: AM Capsfan | July 3, 2008 10:03 AM | Report abuse

@mauree

The Pens actually offered Hossa more than Detroit as well as many years. He wanted to get the heck outta Pittsburg.

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 10:05 AM | Report abuse

By the way, I do not remember the Pens selling out when they had a bad team. In fact, didn't they almost have to sell and move? That was much more recent than when the Caps were in the same situation.

Posted by: CT Caps Fan | July 3, 2008 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Caps sign center Keith Aucoin to two year deal.

Posted by: Mac | July 3, 2008 10:08 AM | Report abuse

Hey Chief! There's a casting call for trolls for the new version of "The Hobbit", being shot as we speak. We highly urge you to apply as you definitely possess all the necessary qualities to play the roll. We can't wait to hear from you. Now, I where did I leave that confounded Ring...

Posted by: Bilbo Baggins | July 3, 2008 10:10 AM | Report abuse

@Chief

How/Why are you comparing today's team to an opponent team from over 15yrs ago? The Pens today are not the Pens from 91 & 92, start comparing apples to apples.

With your logic, why don't you start comparing the Caps to the Leafs and see where that gets you. I mean there's a team that's won 14 cups over its city's history. But what have they done lately?

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

So the signing of Aucoin means what to Gordon and Fedorov?

Does this guy play wing too hopefully? We dont have room for another CENTER

Posted by: Phil9 | July 3, 2008 10:13 AM | Report abuse

keith aucoin? what the hell is that?

do we have money for this garbage?

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:15 AM | Report abuse

We do if Feds isn't signing which it looks like with that move.

But why the hell did they pick up another C.

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

NEW POST

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:16 AM | Report abuse

we have no room for no centers... i have my bs meter on

Posted by: JSchon | July 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I am pretty sure they gave him a two way deal so if he plays Hershey, which it looks like he will, that it doesn't count against our cap.

Posted by: Roger # 94 | July 3, 2008 10:17 AM | Report abuse

obviously this move was made with the intention of him playing in hershey, i assume, i mean, these arent the 02-03 caps anymore, regardless of what Chief tries to convince you of.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see it was imperative for us to sign our umpteenth center, complete with 53 games on his 29 year old resume.

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Did anyone notice that Kris Beech is still available?

LOL

Posted by: Finn | July 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

NHL.com has him listed as a RW?

Posted by: Phil9 | July 3, 2008 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Looks like a good asset for Hershey, I sure hope he isnt going to be up counting against the CAP


http://www.nhl.com/nhl/app?page=PlayerDetail&playerId=8469779&service=page

Posted by: Phil9 | July 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

@ Chief

you do realize the pens haven't won a cup since 1992... which was waaay before Ted took over right?? with that being said, how is anything you said relevant??? oh wait... nothing you ever say is relevant.. so i guess that makes sense.

Posted by: Scofield | July 3, 2008 10:22 AM | Report abuse

where are you guys seeing this Aucoin bidness?

Posted by: Jordan | July 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

TSN lists him as Center/Wing

Posted by: AM Capsfan | July 3, 2008 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Doug Weight signed for 1 year at $1.75 million, I think this sets the Fedorov rate between $2.5 million and $3.2 million. Is that a fair assumption?

Posted by: billy barule | July 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

Check www.washingtoncaps.com. It's the #1 story, poasted at 10 AM.

Posted by: Jeff | July 3, 2008 10:24 AM | Report abuse

@ chief

The Caps did not overpay for Nylander. He was a number 1 center on a playoff team and that my friend was the going rate.

The Caps did not overpay for Green either. In fact, this deal will look like a STEAl for the Caps at the end of this season. Wish they could have locked Green at that rate for 10 years!

As for Theodore, you are right they did overpay. But singing Huet for 4 years at $5 million plus per year would have been much worse.

Posted by: billy barule | July 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

For a sec I got excited.. thought it was the other Aucoin.

Posted by: Jordan | July 3, 2008 10:27 AM | Report abuse

"where are you guys seeing this Aucoin didness?"
http://www.onfrozenblog.com/2008/07/03/capitals-sign-a-free-agent-center/

Posted by: Links | July 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I would have assumed he was an asset for Hershey, but he played the second half of the season for the 'Canes.

Maybe scouting saw something in him - or he just couldn't land a contract that got him back into the NHL and he took what he could get.

Posted by: keef | July 3, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

@Chief

Nice building you have. Your lucky your team is even there in town. Super Mario had to bail out the joke of citizens they call Pittsburgh Fans.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:33 AM | Report abuse

@Chief

Ted Leonisis's big screen in his house is bigger then the jumbotron at the Igloo.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"Every piece of garbage that comes on the market, you gotta buy it"

Posted by: Chief | July 3, 2008 10:34 AM | Report abuse

Last.......new thread

Posted by: Rich C | July 3, 2008 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Chief,

I'm curious, are you a sth? If yes, do you attend the games and watch the away games religiously? If no, how many Caps games a year do you watch on tv?

Posted by: Steve R | July 3, 2008 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I know. Chief has a mancrush on GMGM and he was rejected. THAT'S why he continues to go after him.

@Chief - Dude, you talk in circles and don't support your opinions with facts. You insult our intelligence and are an embarrassment to your family and friends. Go take you pills and calm down.

Posted by: kewood | July 3, 2008 10:49 AM | Report abuse

@ Scofield

While it's easy to rate players in hindsight, when you consider the contributions of the players I listed and their importance to the Caps at the time they were holding out, a different view will emerge.

Witt - other than Calle Jo, he was a top 3 defenseman for the Caps, fought, logged mins, and sacrificed for the team. He deserved better at the time.

Zubrus - was playing on the top line and scored pp goals w/ Oates, and was a solid contributor on a bad team...not the time to low ball him.

Halpern - was earning league minimum, and wanted a raise that matched his output - again - low-balled, until they finally gave him $1.?? / season and he then became the captain!

Bondra - yeah, let's lowball the franchise player now that he's older, even though he's been the face of the franchise for years - makes sense!

We may have gotten solid return on these guys when they were dealt, but at the time of negotiations with McPHail, everyone was getting low-balled, and word on the street was Caps are "low class" and despite free laptops and internet access, not the best destination.

Then factor in you have to play for Butch Cassidy, and Ciernik's on the power play etc...you have a management team that has no freaking clue!

Finally - they blow up the team, fortunately get OV, who starts the road to recovery, but not until McPHail inserts "HIS COACH - former goalie and McPHail "yes-man" - Glenn Hanlon" who can't coach his way out of a wet paper bag, it brings the last option in Bruce Boudreau.

BB changes the attitudes, and gets players on same page, and play as a team, and makes the play-offs....

AND SOMEHOW, I"m supposed to believe that George McPHail is some sort of GENIUS for making this happen??? AFTER 10 YEARS OF FAILURE????????

OK!

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 3, 2008 11:15 AM | Report abuse

I'm an Orioles fan since I live within sniffing distance of the Inner Harbor. However, I tire of all the griefers and gripers on this blog. Most specifically those that use the name McPhail for our GM.

Those that forget that we did win our division last season and take a huge stride forward from worst to first will never be satisfied. Why be a fan if you aren't going to let yourself enjoy it?

Our family will be back for every home game and playoff game. As well as one in toronto and one on LI like we do each season.

Go Caps. This season we go further.

Posted by: Caps 423 | July 3, 2008 11:50 AM | Report abuse

This is what I see comming out of Chiefs post......http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cvotwO0Kwo

Posted by: wah wah wah | July 3, 2008 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@ Jaymagz,
Now, THAT'S WHAT I'M TALKIN' ABOUT!! You're like a breath of fresh air. It's truly heartening to realize there're at least a few fans not being mesmerized by the never - ending smoke, mirrors, and spins.

Posted by: Anonymous | July 4, 2008 4:05 AM | Report abuse

Oops. I forgot to sign my name to the props I just gave Jaymagz. Of course, I'm more than certain that many would have figured it out anyway.

Posted by: Puckguru | July 4, 2008 4:09 AM | Report abuse

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