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Boyd Gordon re-signs with Caps

Checking-line center Boyd Gordon has been re-signed to a one-year contract.

The deal is a one-way deal worth $800,000, which is up from the $761,250 he earned last season.

Gordon, who was limited to 36 games because of a back injury in 2009-10, had four goals and six assists in his sixth season with the Caps, the team that selected him 17th overall in 2002.

The 26-year-old penalty-kill and face-off specialist had been one of the team's four unsigned restricted free agents. The others -- Tomas Fleischmann, Eric Fehr and Jeff Schultz -- applied for salary arbitration yesterday.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 6, 2010; 4:14 PM ET
 
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SC's in the bag now!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

I like Gordo, but I hope he starts..you know... checking.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Big Gordo fan. Hopefully he builds off a solid postseason and stays healthy next year. If healthy Gordo come score 15-17 goals. Hell Bradley had 10.

Posted by: jake81 | July 6, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I am curious to know for how much Gordon signed for.

On Kovy, it has been mentioned, and I agree with this sentiment, that the reason for the delay in his signing is that the signing team has to create space to fit him under the cap + 10% overage amount. Which would mean it is the New Jersey Devils barring some complete unknown team jumping in.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

That was $100K below my projection...I must be slipping...anyway, here's up-to-the-second cap with now 3 RFAs only:

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2020) 6.700
Semin (impending UFA) 6.000
Knuble (impending UFA) 2.800
Flash (signs 2010-2013) 2.750
Laich (impending UFA) 2.067
Fehr (signs 2010-2012) 2.250
Chimera (2009-2012) 1.875
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Bradley (impending UFA) 1.000
B. Gordon (impending UFA) 0.800
Perreault (impending RFA) 0.717
A. Gordon 0.700
S/T 13 Forwards 38.297
Green (2008-2012) 5.250
Poti (impending UFA) 3.500
Schultz (signs 2010-2012) 2.250
Alzner (w/bonus; impending RFA) 1.675
Erskine (impending UFA) 1.250
Carlson (EL 2009-2012) 0.817
Sloan (2010-2012) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 15.442
Varlamov (impending RFA) 0.822
Neuvirth (impending RFA) 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 1.644
Total 22 Players 55.383
Cap Space 59.400
Available 4.017
Available not Including RFAs 11.267

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I must say that 800k is a good deal for Gordon, should he continue to stay healthy and his back strong... every 100k saved helps.. :-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Great! A wasted $600,000.00, won't be long before last years group of failures that no other team wants will be back here in DC, screwing up Ovie and Nicks chance to win the cup! next up will be Flush, then Schultz(i wish it was Ian) and then Nylander will worm his way into the line up...

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 6, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

800K? Not bad at all.

Our own capologist, tom had him a bit higher, and I saw some other Caps blog peg him as high as 1.1 mil.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1:

can you feel it? its starting to drizzle...

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

$800k is a good deal for Gordon. I was expecting more along the lines of $1.0M.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

The world needs ditch-diggers too.

Posted by: athena2 | July 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

this is probably the best we could have hoped for. I would have guessed he would have gotten at least a million

Posted by: _stevo | July 6, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

Sign me up to dig ditches for $800K a year...

Posted by: Moose33 | July 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Completely off-topic, I want to talk about some of the Hershey Bear kids.

MP and MJ aside, everyone seems to have A. Gordon pegged in as the likely third Bear. I for one think that Jay Beagle should be given the longer look, based on what we saw on their call-ups last year (albeit, A. Gordo's sample size was much smaller), and based on what I saw of the televised Bears game. A Gordon is a beast in the AHL, hitting anything in sight, but from what I remember on the call-up he was timid. I wanted to check this, and noticed that he had no registered hits in his 2 games. This is from a guy who is supposed to bring energy and bang into the lineup. Comparatively, Jay Beagle looked better in his call-up (at least to me), and was backed up by the stats, recording 11 hits in 7 games. Beagle also registered 5 blocked shots, and was great in the NHL faceoff at 54.6%. That is another plus in itself; AGordo is a winger, Beagle can play center or wing.

Now again, AGordo played only 2 games, while Beagle played 7. Beagle also has a little bit more experience prior, appearing in 4 games two seasons ago, AGordo appearing in 1.

However, it's very interesting to point out how Beagle compares far more favorably to Scott Walker, who has a more comparable sample. Walker appeared in 9 games, and had almost identical TOI/G as Beagle. Walker registered 12 hits and only 3 blocked shots. He does not play center, and he gave the puck up far too many times. However, Walker did manage to cap off 2 lucky goals, and an assist. Offensive upside is something Beagle cannot attest to, but does it really matter for our 4th line banger?

So what does all this mean? I think Beagle should be a mainstay out of camp next year, and given the ice time and games to excel and expand his game, can very well be a very, very, very efficient 3/4th line banger, capable of 150+ hits and killing penalties. He can also already take faceoffs at the NHL level. @Tom, he could very well be our Clutterbuck, at a cheaper price.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL... how can we not have Beagle in DC... he's got the word EAGLE in his name... :-| Doh!

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

wow, the pace is REALLY picking up now for the Caps in the offseason. First, Sabourin and NOW Gordo!! The Caps are making some serious waves in the free agency period!!!!

Posted by: doughless | July 6, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: Yes, I can see the storm clouds...

phil: Next time I update, I'll make it Beagle/AGordon. How bout that?

Actually, I think Beagle costs a little more.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

cap hits
Beagle: 875k
AGordon: 607k

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

To answer a previous question about when a ELC slides... per cap geek:
"SR — Indicates contract will slide if player does not appear in 11 NHL games"

Currently, only Marcus Johansson and Cody Eakin have ELC's that have the SR next to it...

@tominsocal1:
Beagle is an RFA at 875k
A Gordon is an RFA at 606k

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh, now that drizzle is turning into actual rain. That sunshine was pretty nice while it lasted, though.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | July 6, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Gordon is a reasonable talent. He showed in the playoffs what he can do. Based on the playoffs, I don't question his ability to center a checking line at all. With no back problems, he would have developed to the point where he would be a perfectly acceptable 3C - probably a better option than MP, MJ, or Flash for this year. Let's hope he can have a healthy season.

Posted by: zmega | July 6, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

We got 275K stashed somewhere, don't we?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Boyd Gordon is taking the roster spot of a Hershey player with much more potential (ie the other Gordon). He brings some qualities and skills needed by any team, however I believe it's Steckel OR Gordon, but not both. I hope he's a small piece of a bigger trade.

Posted by: thomas20 | July 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Sign and trades never happen.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I like Boyd Gordon at 800,000. He's a solid face off guy and can a score a big goal every now and then, hopefully more often now that he's healthy.

Richmondphil: I've liked Beagle ever since we called him up in the playoffs 2 years ago. He seems to fit in well as a gritty guy who can cycle the puck well.

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | July 6, 2010 5:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Beagle is 875 for next year. That was last year, incl his bonus (which he didn't get). I believe the qualifier is base salary (687.5) plus 10% = $756K is what I project for Beagle for next year.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal aka CapologistInCanyon

Its got a nice ring to it :)

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 6, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I guess the injury allowed us to give him lower than $1 million. Might be a steal b/c if we don't get Belanger, and I'm wondering why we have not yet, he's probably the best candidate we have to start at Center on the third line. I would prefer he switch off with Laing on the fourth line, and act as a back-up Center for Steckel and Belanger.

Now to actually get Belanger (he is still available right?) and pick between Semin and Flash.

Posted by: mcgratsp | July 6, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

keep gordon for 800k and not sign laing
gmgm screws up again

Posted by: wendel2 | July 6, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Belanger took some shots at BB for failing to adjust the power play in the playoffs, as I recall, so he may have burned his bridges with the Caps.

Posted by: zmega | July 6, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

That was B. Mo not Belanger...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

On July 1st I watched Belanger in studio on NHL Live acting as if his agent had spoken to numerous teams interested in signing him. He expected to get signed by now.

Its July 6 now - what does that tell you?

He wants extra years that nobody will commit to giving.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 6, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

another dumb signing by a dumb GM.

and continues to prolong any real chances of success.

f McPhee.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 6, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

... and it's an outright downpour now

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

No, Captain Kirk, we haven't heard from underpants2 and we haven't heard from joek443. Of course, you might be right, then we have the full-fledged hurricane.

BTW, was like 90 here today, I got home from work, and they had NEVER turned on the AC.

I realize some of you are enjoying some really pleasant weather back in ACC country.

The house was only 76, and then about 6:15 the sun dipped over the hill and the cool air of nighttime is beginning.

BGordo is fine for $800K. Even if he's the 13th forward, he won't break the bank. And even if he's ultimately traded to make room for Beagle and AGordo and Pinner, someone will give you a pick in some round.

This is cool. Literally.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Gordon at $800K is a great deal. He is a good 4th line center with strong defensive skills, great PK ability, and an awesome faceoff %. The only real problems with him are lack of physicality and his back. The first can be taken care of through training, and I don't think the second is a problem anymore - but I'm not sure.

I'm going to suggest something, and I'm sure I'll have a lot of people jump on me, but here it is. With Gordon re-signed, keep him as 4th line center between Bradley and another 4th winger - maybe a Bear or Laing (my preference), if he gets re-signed. Put Steckel on the 3rd between Laich and Chimera to make a checking/defensive line. Or, if a checking winger can be acquired, put him on the 3rd and move Chimera to the 4th.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

tom, it was really hot here today - over 90 at least.

and cstanton, you're right - GMGM did prolong our chances of success with this move. Nice to see you finally admit a move he made was good.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

He and Steckel play the same position. I just hope neither see 3rd line action.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 6, 2010 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I think Gordon is the most underrated player on the team. Nobody wants to face-off against him and he really is great on the PP. He probably makes the fewest mistakes out of any Cap. Anything under a mil is a bargain. When he and Laich are on a line, you usually get some good results. Don't get me wrong, he's no 1st or 2nd line center but I think he's a great 3rd/4th line center and offers more than Steckel does.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 6, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

One thing we can all agree on - those who live in perpetual sunshine and those for whom the rain must always fall - is that Gordo hasn't quite lived up to being 17th overall in 2002, even though at the time he was billed as a checking line center.

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/nhl2002e.html

But, as even the most pessimistic McPhee basher can see, there WERE worse picks that year. Semin, in fact, was great at #13. And, interesting the difference in value today between #11 and 12. The Caps, at one time, had 5 of them incl Klepis and Johansson or whatever.

And, #12 turned into Carlson.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Boyd Gordon was touted as a "steal" at the draft b/c Hunter told the caps brass to take him??? Yeah, $800K and fourth line center - what a STEAL!!

I cannot understand why/how George McPhail has a job as GM of a team in the NHL.

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 6, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

One thing we can all agree on - those who live in perpetual sunshine and those for whom the rain must always fall - is that Gordo hasn't quite lived up to being 17th overall in 2002, even though at the time he was billed as a checking line center.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 9:59 PM

Agreed, but he is a solid 4th line center. In the last 3 years, the worst faceoff % he had was over 55%. And while he'll never be a heavy checker or good scorer, he is good on defense and can score when given a chance.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I cannot understand why/how George McPhail has a job as GM of a team in the NHL.

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 6, 2010 10:02 PM

Because half of the team that just won the Presidents Trophy was drafted by him. And a number of them were in the second half of the first round. If you don't understand that, then you shouldn't even be in this discussion.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I cannot understand why/how George McPhail has a job as GM of a team in the NHL.

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 6, 2010 10:02 PM

I CAN understand why YOU DON'T have a job as GM of a team in the NHL!

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 6, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

UNDERPANTS2!!!! Great of you to show up! Maybe you guys and the others could come out here and break the decades-long western drought! :)

Seriously, I've be pleased as punch as some NFL coach used to say (who was that?) if Stecks could man the 3rd line center. Maybe he can, given time, but he's not there today. Stecks was a bit of a disappointment last year. $1.1M isn't bad for 3rd line duty (see earlier post on balanced team and value by position). Unfortunately, at this exact moment in time, he's a bit overpaid as a 4th liner rather than, what you'd prefer, a bit underpaid as a 3rd liner.

We can always go into the season hoping all our centers overachieve but is that realistic?

See, even tominsocal1 can bring on a spot of rain.

signed, yours truly, neither optimist nor pessimist, the Henry Clay of the Caps blog,

tominsocal1 aka nostrathomas, knower of nothing but predictor of all

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Tom

Nattering nabobs of negativity causing heavy showers.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | July 6, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I cannot understand why/how George McPhail has a job as GM of a team in the NHL.

Posted by: Jaymagz | July 6, 2010 10:02 PM

Is it raining at your house? Do you jump up and down like Herman Munster when it rains?

HAR! HAR! HAR! HAR!

LILY!!!!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

tom - based on your view of what the 3rd line should be (which I do think is a good one), what do you think of Steckel as a #3C? High faceoff %, physical play (as in 4th on the team in hits), good defense.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

HELP NEEDED!

Who was it who used to say, all the time, "I'm just as pleased as punch!"

Was it an NFL coach? Was it G Bush #41? Herbert H Humphrey? (If you remember him, you didn't drink enough in the late 60s.)

I've been here in socal since 3/29 and it hasn't rained a speck! We have fog in the morning and like high 50s and then 90s in the pm but it's just so comfortable! I'm so happy I almost want to keep Flash on the team!

No.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Time for my occasional post... although I lurk a lot I can't stay logged long enough to be a meaningful contributor but I certainly appreciate the banter.

What many forget is that GM position is a business position, not an emotional one. We have Snyder in DC for that. What GMGM is great at is balancing the business side (capology) with assembling a team that can win.

Gordon is a veteran who WILL help at a bargain price. Knows the system and is talented for his job (defensive 4th line center with faceoff skills). I'll take this signing all day long.

What I would like to see (like everyone else) is a gritty defenseman to pair with Green. Poti and Schultz as second pair (I like Poti as the offensive dman), and Alzner and Carlson as third. Trade Erskine if right deal or let Sloan pass waivers. Watch out... I see an AHL defensive signing - someone who can play in NHL as injury call-up.

For center - I am OK with what we have in system. Save cap space for trade deadline or injury signing.

Posted by: DWGie | July 6, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1:
you just described late march early april weather here. i miss springtime

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

It's Hubert Humphrey.
Curious if anyone else heard Jay Mohr today on the Jim Rome show? He said Alex Ovechkin (unlike other players) was rude to kids wanting autographs at the NHL Awards in Vegas. I know when my kids met him locally, he was cordial and smiling.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | July 6, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

What many forget is that GM position is a business position, not an emotional one. We have Snyder in DC for that. What GMGM is great at is balancing the business side (capology) with assembling a team that can win.

Posted by: DWGie | July 6, 2010 10:56 PM

who told you it was ok to post logical thoughts?
ted and gmgm are following their plan - the business one - not the emotional one

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1:
you just described late march early april weather here. i miss springtime

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 10:56 PM

I spent 5 months in Arizona (January to May) about 10 years ago... and wow was it hot. Over 100 in April... every day. Was nice during February though lol.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 11:04 PM | Report abuse

timmyv38:
the sun set about an hour ago - still over 100 right now

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 11:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad I wasn't there past mid-May. Couldn't take that heat. Low humidity was nice though.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: What you get for a month is apparently here all summer. Because you aren't along the coast, you don't get the fog and the cooling effect of the cold California current. I have a really nice lot with multiple water views in Lake Havasu City I had picked for retirement, but could maybe stay here instead but for the taxes. LHC makes even Phoenix seem mild.

timmy: Steckel just isn't good enough, now, for #3 center. Belanger gives you 12-15 goals and he's just better. If Steckel just improved some, hopefully, he could do it. I'll bet some time in his career, once he's a grizzled vet, just don't know if he can be the #3 center now on a Cup winner.

Next year? I'd say no to Stecks, MP or MaJo for #2 or 3 center.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd prefer Belanger as well - just don't know if the Caps will have him or not. Other thing is, Steckel might be capable of more goals with better linemates. At this point, I don't think he's as good as Belanger overall - except for size and physicality. Belanger with Laich and either Chimera or a checking winger (Clutterbuck, Dustin Brown, or someone similar) would be a good 3rd line.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Did I mention I have a stecks jersey so he is likely gone. I have serious jersey curse!

Posted by: DWGie | July 7, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I have a Stecks jersey as well, along with a Brads jersey - so I think they'll both be here :D

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 7, 2010 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Bradley and Chimera I think are WYSIWYG, to use a very old tech term; Stecks and Gordo I think have upside.

Capt Kirk: After 52 yrs on East Coast, the desert SW is a beautiful place.

That said, I have a week vacation back on Space Coast first week August but then a week at Grand Canyon mid-Oct. I go every year GC 8 yrs running now and this will be great to drive from home with cooler and everything stocked up in car.

And, whenever I go on vacation, it never rains. Wonder why?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 7, 2010 12:55 AM | Report abuse

After 2 years of calling for Volchenkov, the sun has set on him. My new crusade, of course, is to call for Jay Beagle to make it out of camp and stay up.

Go Beagle.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:10 AM | Report abuse

Belanger with Laich and either Chimera or a checking winger (Clutterbuck, Dustin Brown, or someone similar) would be a good 3rd line.

Posted by: timmyv38

D Brown is a top 6 guy. I love Dustin Brown.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 7, 2010 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Complete waste of 800k when there was already a 4th line center signed for next year. That 800k could still be in the available cap space to help sign a true 2 or 3 center, no way Stecks is the answer for 3rd line center.

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 6:56 AM | Report abuse

Complete waste of 800k when there was already a 4th line center signed for next year. That 800k could still be in the available cap space to help sign a true 2 or 3 center, no way Stecks is the answer for 3rd line center.

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 6:56 AM

Even if you keep Steckel at #4C (which is most likely), Gordon brings a few things the Caps need. It will make sure the 4th line always will have someone good taking faceoffs and it gives another good faceoff man for PK's. There aren't many 60%+ centers who can be gotten for under $1M.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 7, 2010 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Even if you keep Steckel at #4C (which is most likely), Gordon brings a few things the Caps need. It will make sure the 4th line always will have someone good taking faceoffs and it gives another good faceoff man for PK's. There aren't many 60%+ centers who can be gotten for under $1M.

Posted by: timmyv38


If he can stay healthy, played a whole 36 games last year.....whooppeeeeeee!!!! They should have parted ways with him and given their NHL ready boys in Hershey the opportunity to fight it out for that 4th line slot.

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

I like Boyd Gordon, and I'm glad he was able to work out another year here....that being said, when do we start using the great players we have down in Hershey?? The Capitals have the best farm system in the NHL, but because of space and chances for these kids to get big league ice time, they are all going to different teams.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 7, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Just because the Caps resigned B Gordan does not mean that some Bears will get their chances. The Caps have a gaping hole at 2nd center that some Hershey boys will get a chance to fill before the trade deadline. If they fail to fill it well, a trade may well take place. In 82 games, injuries happen, so some Bears will get call-ups. The Caps may walk away from Flash or Fehr, if the arbitration goes south, so there may be a spot or two. Time will tell.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | July 7, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

yawn

Posted by: doughless | July 7, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Just because the Caps resigned B Gordan does not mean that some Bears will get their chances. The Caps have a gaping hole at 2nd center that some Hershey boys will get a chance to fill before the trade deadline. If they fail to fill it well, a trade may well take place. In 82 games, injuries happen, so some Bears will get call-ups. The Caps may walk away from Flash or Fehr, if the arbitration goes south, so there may be a spot or two. Time will tell.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1

Fact of the matter is there are Bears that are ready now to step into 4th line duty full time (AGordon/Pinner) and there was a hole for one of them that was filled by this signing.....that is a HUGE mistake in my opinion. What is that telling these young players? That they will never get their shot with this organization? It would be different if he would have signed a two way deal and had to fight it out with the kids for the position but that is not the case. And after a year where he only played 36 games I don't think asking him to sign a two way deal would have been out of the question. This signing was bad simply bad business in my opinion.

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

I think we need to be realistic about the Hershey forwards. That was a dominant AHL team, but I don't know that I would consider any of their forwards dominant at that level. The closest to AHL dominance was Giroux, who has not shown that he can play at the NHL level. What was highly instructive to me was being able to see the AHL playoffs on television, essentially back-to-back with SC games. The difference in available time and space was dramatic. I did not get this same perspective from attending AHL games. I think the Hershey forwards should primarily be looked at as 4th line energy guys.

Posted by: zmega | July 7, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

zmega,

Which is what I was saying in the post directly above yours.

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

I don't think the Gordon signing prevents 1 or 2 Hershey guys from getting significant 4th line ice team, considering healthy scratches, injuries, suspensions, etc. If they outplay BGordon, then BGordon will be the one to sit out.

Posted by: zmega | July 7, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

@zmega

that depends on a lot of things. Its doubtful that theyd keep both Gordon and Pinner up with the Caps. 5 guys for the 4th line doesnt make any sense. But then again neither does banking on MP or MJ as our 2nd line C. So you might be on to something.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I know I'll probably get shredded for this, but here goes:

--IMO, B. Gordon is a bargain at 800K...when he is healthy

--Dave Steckel may be the most underrated player on the team: Granted he does not score a ton of goals or points...but that isn't a 4th-liner's job. I think he is significantly better than his numbers would seem to indicate: He forechecks, he hits, blocks shots/clears the zone, he consistently wins faceoffs, the goals he does score are often clutch goals, and--within the context of what is admittedly a flawed PK system--he does seem to kill penalties fairly well. I think letting him go would be a mistake.

--FTR, yes I do find myself questioning GMGM's moves (or apparent lack thereof), so don't anybody go saying that I've been drinking the Kool-Aid®. Then again, I really don't think that anyone on this board is better qualified for the job (myself included), simply because none of us here is in possession of all of the facts.

That said, I would strongly suggest to the next person who wants to bash GMGM:

Consider the records of these GMs, and be thankful they are not plying their trade here:

Darryl Sutter
Glen Sather
Mike Milbury
Brian Burke
Bob Gainey
Garth Snow


Also, for all the folks who are saying how Dale Tallon some sort of über-GM who got Chicago their Cup and is now "working his magic" down in FLA:

Düüüdes...Please! The Panthers have yet to play a single NHL game on his watch...and yet some are saying they have already won the Southeast Division by virtue of his roster moves/Free Agent signings.

Please correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't it some contract or FA shenanigans that significantly contributed to Tallon's departure from Chicago in the first place?

Do we really want to run the risk of a MicrOvechkin or a Carlson slipping away from the Caps because someone didn't get their paperwork in on time?

I didn't think so.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 7, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

So, we really are going to go into the season without a second line center? or defense? Hope the Bears can win the Stanley Cup!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 7, 2010 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@Rhino40

I am glad none of those guys are here. And I think GMGM has done a lot of good things for the organization and is a great guy. But in his 13 seasons with the Caps, they have gotten further than the second round 1 time and that was with mostly David Poile's players. So at some point Ted and GMGM just need to look at each other and agree to part ways if they cant progress to at least the conference finals.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

@Rhino

I actually think most people will be predicting Florida to finish in the bottom 3 in the NHL this year. They have traded away some of their NHL talent (Horton and Balllard) for prospects and picks.

On Steckel, after the 2008-2009 season I was very high on him and had expectations of him turning into a top notch checking line center. Unfortunately, IMO, he regressed this past year. Hopefully it was due to some reason that can be fized (maybe he didn't train as hard after getting the new contract). But, to me, he seemed slower and less agressive last year.

I am hoping he turns back into the Steckel we saw in the 2009 playoffs. On that note, hopefully the Gordon we will see will be the 2010 playoffs Gordon.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I am impatient like others, but for now I give GMGM the benefit of the doubt and assume he has a plan that will play out over the coming weeks. But it seems to me that the needs are fairly obvious and in critical positions. This team is a Ferrari, and if you are racing at LeMans you don't bring in a kid who just got his driver's license to drive it. We need a veteran, tough center as a bridge for a year or two until the young guys are ready. We need a tough, defensive-minded d-man who can move. The d-man is not a bridge, since we don't have anyone in the system to bridge to for that type of player. So the ideal d-man would be mid-20's, a young veteran. And we need to fix the PK and get our forwards to go to the net. I know - no original ideas here.

Posted by: zmega | July 7, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@zmega

So are you saying to acquire John Madden and Hjmarlsson? I'd be on board with that.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

It's simple. At $800,000 - GMGM thought "Why not?" when thinking about retaining Gordon.

He's not the solution. It's not a big deal. Nobody should be giddy and nobody should be unhappy.

Just take your morning poop as always.

At 800K - Why the **** not have #15 for another year?

Posted by: CF11555 | July 7, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Gotta say no to John Madden, he would cost too much and appears to have lost several steps. The experience he would bring would be nice but he is not a 2nd line center and that is what is needed the most.

Posted by: PhilR | July 7, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Schults 4 years 11M....2.75 Cap hit...about what everyone expected. Now you have Fehr and Flash combine for $4.75 and you are left with your roughly $4.5M in cap space and that include MP and Andrew Gordon on the roster making estimated $750K. Let Flash walk and you are closer to $7M in cap space.

Posted by: ThePat | July 7, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

http://capitals.nhl.com/club/roster.htm

How did Brian Fahey get on the roster?

Posted by: cougcap | July 7, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

I meant signing Madden to be the 3rd line center then you have to only fill one cener role(2nd line) with a young player.

This would help give the Caps a true defensive/shutdown line(if paired with the correct wings). I would only sign him to a 1 year contract.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 7, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

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