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Open thread: Capitals at Bruins

The Washington Capitals (4-2) look to split their home-and-home series with the Boston Bruins (3-1) with a victory tonight at TD Garden. Chat about the game in the comments below, or join the conversation on Twitter with beat writer Katie Carrera (@kcarrera). See your tweets here by using #caps.

Faceoff: 7 p.m.; TV: CSN, NHL Network; Radio: 820, 1500 AM.


By Lindsay Applebaum  | October 21, 2010; 7:00 PM ET
Categories:  Boston Bruins  
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Comments

OK NOW COMMENT!!!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

It would be nice if Geno was have a live chat.

Posted by: instinct227 | October 21, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I WANT SOME BUTT! ...btw, last season I WHINED about not having a pre-game show and Caps Central is GREAT!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

having

Posted by: instinct227 | October 21, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Let's go Caps!

Posted by: Dizruption | October 21, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

All this twitter thing does in bleep me off. I can't stand it.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

what's Thomas doing between the pipes with his Beaupre mask on?? heard it was gonna be Rask.

Posted by: joek443 | October 21, 2010 7:14 PM | Report abuse

I HATE Tim Thomas. :(

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | October 21, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, not a big fan of the twitter thing. Caps need to put the biscuit in the basket!

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Team d looks good so far. Except for that bad change.

Posted by: Dizruption | October 21, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't like the Twitter chat either. Last year's format was a lot more fun, even with the slowdowns and occasional crashes.

Posted by: wocoliz | October 21, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm tired Twitter being forced upon me. I will continue to rebel.

Posted by: nicety251 | October 21, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Did somebody slip PEDs into Tim Thomas' energy drink? "Standing on his head" is putting it mildly so far!

Posted by: wocoliz | October 21, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

Let's go PP! Keep up the pressure!!

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Best collective effort by our forwards this season defensively.

19 and 90 with some excellent backchecking.

Not worried about the lack of finishing.

The process looks good tonight to go with the effort.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

i think everyone has figured out that Semin always looks for the back door play on the PP

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Need to take up donations for them to buy a goal on Thomas.

Posted by: jdove80 | October 21, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Figures

Posted by: Dizruption | October 21, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Good period.

I'll take it.

They played hard and smart for the most part.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

Carlson looked like he was in no mans land there

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

well it had to end some time. I hope the Caps don't have a letdown in the 2nd being down 1 and not scoring on all of those chances.

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

I'm just wondering how the B's score Steven Tyler to sing the anthem, when we have a bunch of no-names... C'mon Caps! Bring in some better Anthem singers! And please, don't disrespect with "O's" or "Red", thanks!

Posted by: BlondeCapsFan | October 21, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Evason needs to be fired. At some point, this team needs a shakeup. The PP is pitiful.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see varly get low to look through those screens. He leaves too much net open when he's looking over the top.

Posted by: Dizruption | October 21, 2010 7:47 PM | Report abuse

PISSED
PISSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

I'd rather see the Caps down 1-0 and doing a lot of the right things than being up 2-0 nothing and getting bailed out by their goalie or just getting lucky.

In that period and our last game, we played better than in a couple of games that we won.

I understand that winning matters but in the long run, you'll win more and become a better team by doing the right things.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

wtf, take a few deep breaths... not ideal, but we've still got two periods left, these boys may pull it outta their caps ;)

Posted by: BlondeCapsFan | October 21, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Tons of good things to build off in that period.

The forwards were backchecking better and weren't caught as often out of position.

Our top line was establishing a forecheck and not having too many one-and-done rushes.

Just a lot of little things looked good compared to other games this season.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

They're tough in their crease, the Caps - not so tough.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Hockey is a sport where you can outwork and outexeucte a team for 90% of a game and end up losing.

The Caps outplayed the Bruins in that period but had one breakdown on the PK and couldn't finish on numerous chances.

I'll take that situation over getting otuworked and outexecuted and having 5 breakdowns where we just get fortunate that the opposing team doesn't capitalize.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I agree we definitely looked a lot better that period than in some of the first few games this season. It seems like we just have gotten some bad breaks lately. There were like 4 broken sticks in the slot on the game on Tuesday, and multiple times in this game and the game on Tuesday where the puck bounced over our sticks or rolled off the end of the blade. Our goals will come!

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Hi Blondie, I'm lookin' for more consistency!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

The more I watch Varlamov's game the more I like Neuvirth as a goalie. Semyon just appears less in control and gives up more rebounds. Even if Semyon is quicker, Neuvirth is always better positioned. It is not a coincidence that the Capitals were 25 for 25 in the power play kill with Neuvirth and 0 for 1 with Varlamov. Confidence is a fragile thing, especially for a young team trying to trust their young goalies. Especially when they are trying to trust an often injured goalie that has already failed them twice in the playoffs.

Posted by: JohnWWW | October 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

WHAT THE


F

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Now that was us getting severely dominated.

Ugly.

Gotta win battles. Soft play.

Good forechecks often kill us.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

wow - what was that? about 3 minutes in the caps zone?

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

That was a vulgar display of hockey right there. Just ugly.

Posted by: jdove80 | October 21, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

just aren't getting any bounces here, are we?

Posted by: j762 | October 21, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

SOMETHING IS TERRIBLY WRONG!

THESE ARE NOT YOUR CAPS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 8:08 PM | Report abuse

Actually, they are our Caps. Time to face up to the fact that they just are not that good.

Posted by: hockeydad | October 21, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

now we are just getting beat. I almost think BB should call a TO and tell our guys to wake up, it is not the intermission anymore!

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 8:10 PM | Report abuse

look like the same ole floating Caps of last year to me...

Posted by: joek443 | October 21, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Looks like the latter half of the Pens series here early in the 2nd.

As a team, we have to get better and responding to good, aggressive forecheck... on an individual and team level.

We also need to learn how to apply a similar caliber of forecheck, which we did a little in the 1st period but it's not something we are very good at, overall.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Anybody else sense a shut-out in the offing?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

90 and 28 have been strong tonight.

Our top line had it's moments in the 1st.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Ovi taking long shifts will kill this team...

Posted by: joek443 | October 21, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Dude, the chick behind BB is smokin.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | October 21, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

well, are we gonna chalk it up to "facing a hot goalie" again? i'm so sick of it.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

dammit guys, put the damn pucks UP

Posted by: j762 | October 21, 2010 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Varly just teabagged the ice to make that breakaway save. VARRRRLY

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | October 21, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

well this is over

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

OK

Boston
owns
us

I get it, now I can move on.
Just avoid Boston.

THIS IF F'ING BULL!!!!!!!!!!!!1

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | October 21, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Lot of F bombs there.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | October 21, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

looks like im not the only one dropping f bombs

Posted by: lilnick | October 21, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Game over.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

How is that call on Fehr??? Nothing including the calls are going well for the Caps tonight. To me it looks like they played well in the first and went in down one and just figured they couldn't win and gave up to come out for the second.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

is it just me or are they shooting pretty crappy, too?

Posted by: j762 | October 21, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

As good as I thought we played in the 1st, this was just complete domination by the Bruins in this period.

Right off the bat, they came out forechecking us to death and we've been on our heels ever since.

They're show a lot more grit along the boards and winning too many battles.

Believe it or not, Flash has been one of the few players on our side going in and winning pucks.

Total and utter domination in period 2 though by the Bruins.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

CAPs are looking like a .500 team so far this year. It's still early, but no longer the dominate team from a year ago. No wonder, given the roster is not as good as last years. Cup in 2015! Go Caps!

Posted by: festus75 | October 21, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

So which Caps team comes out in the 3rd Dr. Jekyll or Mr. Hyde?

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

20 mins on, 20 mins off.

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

"teabagged the ice" Whaaaaaa?

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

We need to learn how to apply a forecheck better... all of our lines.

The Bruins' forecheck is so effective for two reasons: 1 is they are simply winning individual battles... 2, they are better organized and seem to have a better sense of what they're trying to accompish when forechecking.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

So, does Green make that much difference to the Caps?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

We need to learn how to apply a forecheck better... all of our lines.

The Bruins' forecheck is so effective for two reasons: 1 is they are simply winning individual battles... 2, they are better organized and seem to have a better sense of what they're trying to accompish when forechecking.

Posted by: tmac2yao

For one reason - the B's are better coached. I've been a big supporter of BB since he came to DC but I'm finally coming to the same conclusion that many others on here have - BB is not the right coach, is a glorified AHL coach and will not get this team to the next level. He may not even get them to the level they reached last season.

Posted by: Thisistheyear | October 21, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

It's finally time for Bruce to go! The fire BB clock is ticking away, maybe BB should work on the power play some more instead hawking books or making rug cleaning commercials or even dancing with Ryan Zimmerman. Hey GMGM we need a real coach, send BB back to the minors were he belongs!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: PhilHelmuth | October 21, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

BB getting hot under the collar, did the team notice/care?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

The Bruins just look like a far more structured team in all 3 zones tonight, even though I feel that we outplayed them in the 1st.

Thomas has made some great stops but we've also been putting pucks into his body.

If Knuble lifts either of those in close chances he had, he scores at least 1 goal.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

So many questions, not enough answers.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

i'm not ready to give up on BB, it's still early. I think he needs to be better, but i still think he can get us to the Cup

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

@FloridaCapsFan

I'd say Green does make a difference in how the team does. But, then again, our defense is pretty thin after the top 5 guys.

Although Bradley and Gordon being out hasn't helped either. So far, King has only skated about 4-5 minutes a game. We can't really afford to carry a guy who can only log that low of ice time on a regular basis. Admittedly, there are times when we need an enforcer.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 21, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Maybe they'll lift them in the 3rd.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:47 PM | Report abuse

thomas aint giving up 3 goals in the third..this team really isn't that good this year

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

But if being down those three guys gets them results like this it does not bode well for their season.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 8:51 PM | Report abuse

this is carry over from the playoffs. hot goalie, the sun was in their eyes, wind took it out, insert excuse here.

unfortunately we took a step back this year and it's a shame. i've never been on the "get rid of BB" train, but i think i might be buying a ticket. i just don't see anything different. he doesn't change his style he changes his line up.

We have become predictable as a team. it's obvious other teams have figured us out.

this is such a bummer. i had very high hopes for this year. i know it's early but i'm just disappointed.

Posted by: natresgroup | October 21, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

yeah i don't think we scare teams anymore..

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

trap time!! fun!

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Suggestion for Power Play. As radical as it seems, it may be time to take Ovi off the first unit.

Unit 1: best PP guys not named Ovi
Unit 2: Ovi and the rest of the best

(okay, we do need to mix up skills, having snipers and net crashes on both.)

Benefits:

1) So that the guys can work together as a unit and not depend on Ovi

2) So Bruce will have motivation to use the 2nd unit

Great as Ovi is as a player and granted he has great endurance but he can't keep playing 2 minutes every PP shift. Diminishing returns does set in after a point. Many times, if the Caps haven't scored a minute into the PP, it isn't probably going to happen.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 21, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

OMG - Thomas is making me sick

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 8:57 PM | Report abuse

This game is making me sick. The flu, I think.

Posted by: nicety251 | October 21, 2010 9:05 PM | Report abuse

caps standard clearing pass seems to be to blindly shoot it up the boards and then look to see if there is a cap there. How dies that work?

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

oops - "does" but maybe dies works in that phrase too

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Haven't commented in this forum lately because it has turned into the tmac and cranston show. Way too much negatively. Hey, tmac, I keep wondering how you have so much time to devote to this. I am thinking we should ship you in to replace Boudreau, or maybe you can handle both BB and GM's job.

To me the Caps know the regular season doesn't mean anything; there already mentally preparing for post season.

They have been very unimpressive this season and I too have my doubts about BB's coaching. It's going to take a major relearning effort to get this team to play to their potential. Also, they should be handling a Boston team without two major offensive threats. All we are missing is Green. And don't tell me the goalie is standing on his head. Outstanding teams adjust to circumstances during the game. I also believe Ovie is just too quiet to take command of a team. We need some fire and most importantly some will to win.

Posted by: analyzerman | October 21, 2010 9:09 PM | Report abuse

at least this period is looking better than the 2nd...for now

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

thank you chimmy

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 21, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked that the guy sliding across the goal mouth didn't catch the puck with his little toe

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

i was just gonna say i'm bout to switch to phillies/giants...

but hmmm... who knows now..

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I'll take it!

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

That is twice now the other team's goalie had a nice assist on our goal. Maybe that is the new offensive strategy.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 9:13 PM | Report abuse

@ebolean1

with they way our luck is going i'm surprised a pigeon didn't fly down from the rafters and get in the way of that shot.

goals, they don't ask how, they ask how many.

we'll take it.

Posted by: natresgroup | October 21, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

all things considered, varly's playing pretty well

Posted by: j762 | October 21, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

if they could get more than one shot on goal per excurison into the offensive zone...

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

semin does look like he's working on the boards harder than he has in the past

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 21, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

90 and 14 were 2 of our best players tonight.

16 has backchecked well tonight.

Varlamov has made a number of huge saves. Maybe he could've stopped 1 of those that went in but I'd say he's been good.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Yea, 28 has had a good game, too.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

We really just need to play 60 mins. it seems like when good teams play bad, they play bad for 5 - 6 mins, when we play bad it is for a whole period.

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

This having Ovechkin on the ice for almost the entire last 5 minutes of a game is never going to work. Ovechkin is great but when he is too tired to make more then one burst you are taking away his game. Sometimes less is more. Giving Ovechkin less minutes will allow him to exert more energy when he is on the ice so he can make the plays that make him the player D and goalies fear.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 9:23 PM | Report abuse

Why aren't the Caps in front of the net forcing shots and rebounds on Thomas? The long shots don't seem to work. Even if Ovi moved closer to the net he would bring so many people up with him creating more "traffic" in front of the net for goalies like Thomas and Halak.

Posted by: nicety251 | October 21, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

on the first goal, varly was hung out to dry. on the second, the puck was coming so fast he couldn't have done anything. it was well-aimed.
on the third, he was hopelessly screened.

he's done everything he can, but his D is leaving him out to dry

Posted by: j762 | October 21, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

So now we are changing goalies as a time out?

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

You know it is bad when the goalies are taking the shortest shifts on the team.

Posted by: icehammer97 | October 21, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

3 regulation losses through 7.. we only had 15 total last year...

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

we're gonna be middle of the pack in the east.. no domination this year.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

wow, our PK really fell apart tonight.

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Inept.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

hey look at the bright side our penalty kill is doing gre... oh wait, sorry about that. nevermind.

Posted by: natresgroup | October 21, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

caps standard clearing pass seems to be to blindly shoot it up the boards and then look to see if there is a cap there. How dies that work?

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 9:06 PM

That's run 'n gun, stretch pass BB hockey at its best.

We don't play enough of a structured, 3-zone game.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

meh

Posted by: ebolean1 | October 21, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

ok, that was embarassing. im glad i didn't waste my 60 bucks going to this game

Posted by: j762 | October 21, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

time to watch phillies/giants.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

They played hard, offense just isn't clicking. The Bruins played exactly how they did the other night which is exactly how Montreal played last post season. I don't think Philly would have lost both these games. I don't know if it's the coach or the players but something needs to be adjusted.

What say you Chicken little?

Posted by: LloydChristmas | October 21, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Even the Redskins are making it more interesting than this.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

They have been very unimpressive this season and I too have my doubts about BB's coaching. It's going to take a major relearning effort to get this team to play to their potential. Also, they should be handling a Boston team without two major offensive threats. All we are missing is Green. And don't tell me the goalie is standing on his head. Outstanding teams adjust to circumstances during the game. I also believe Ovie is just too quiet to take command of a team. We need some fire and most importantly some will to win.

Posted by: analyzerman | October 21, 2010 9:09 PM

lol... you criticize me then express some of the exact same points I've been making. That's funny.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

how many times this season has Semin missed the curl and drag?

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

has anybody ever considered that were just not that good?

I mean, I get its 7 games into the season but...

We have won one playoff series in 10 years. Does that constitute a good team? No.

But sure, keep drinking the kool-aid that Ted and GMGM throw out. Look how far its gotten us...A PRESIDENTS TROPHY!

Posted by: kjua2 | October 21, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

POSTGAME THOUGHTS:
This team better wake the hell up and get its f***in act together. ONE GAME is all they've shown up this year. They STILL don't get what it takes to play a 60 minute game.

Our PK was sloppy tonight - too much standing arond and not enough attacking and look what happened.

Pitiful. Of course the Caps had their chances but hats off to Thomas for another solid effort. Fleischman had a typical night of braincramps with the puck. Ovi needs to stop thinking he can skate through anyone. Too many individuals rather than lines down the stretch.

No I'm not a doom and gloomer nor am I hitting the panic button but this team needs to WAKE THE HELL UP. If they don't start getting it together - these early season losses will come back to haunt them later in the year when they are fighting for a playoff spot. Yes I said they will be fighting for a playoff spot. This team is certainly not going to dominate like it did last year. I'm still blah on our defense. Not an Alzner fan and while I admire Erskine's toughness but he is too slow. They BETTER do something with this defense when this year is over REGARDLESS of what happens in the end.

Time to pick up the peices and come out flying hopefully - against Atlanta on Saturday night.

Ice breakers Goal Shakers

Posted by: Jonathan6 | October 21, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

has anybody ever considered that were just not that good?


Posted by: kjua2

...every time we lose...

Posted by: LloydChristmas | October 21, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Our PP is unwatchable. Everyone in this organization is too comfortable. A change is needed. Start with Evason.

Johansson is the only bright spot. Our defense is a mess. Even when Green comes back, we have a problem.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Even the Redskins are making it more interesting than this.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | October 21, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Great point. And they do one thing better than the Caps... they always work/play hard throughout the ENTIRE game.. I haven't questioned the redskins' effort in any game this year, even in losses.

i want the caps to get angrier.. clearly that t shirt didn't work. they can't continue to fall behind every single game, it's too much work to come back every darn game. they need to get their sh** together quickly.

the PP is still sh**. the opposing team gets the best scoring chance every time we're on the PP. what was a strength is now a weakness. the pk completely collapsed tonight, but what can you expect? they were 25/25.. bound to happen.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Hypothetically, if BB is part of the problem that is by extension on GMGM. He hired and he chose to stick with him after BB got outcoached yet again in the playoffs.

What does McPhee do well?

Make 1st rd picks? Not even sure if that's true given how many he had to work with and how many busts he's had even in the 1st rounds. He's terrible post-1st round. If it's the scouts, he's still part of that equation.

Is he a wizard in free agency? Not even close. Quite the opposite.

Is he a trade wizard? Nope.

If BB doesn't work out, like somebody said, 1 playoff victory in about 12 years. And that victory was by the slimmest of margins.

McPhee is the root problem. The role of the GM is more amplified than ever in the cap era. Winning organizations start from the top. You need top end talent but after that, it's all about the GM. Everything trickles down from his decision-making.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not panicking yet, but if we are still playing like this and underachieving by mid season BB has got to go. That might also be what puts us into the cup finals. Look at the the penguins and flyers, both teams fired their coach midseason and penguins won the cup that year and the flyers made it to the finals. Maybe that will be the kick in the *&* they need!

Posted by: ksaul79 | October 21, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm starting to think about joining the BB-needs-to-go bandwagon. This team is still making the same mistakes they did 3 years ago, with the same players. They'd rather take shots from the top of the circles than wait and set up a play. Bad positioning in front of the net. PP is awful. PK was average. I don't believe in the hot goalie excuse. Tim Thomas is not going to be 65-0 this year. He is going to get beaten...a lot.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | October 21, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

not that i'm advocating firing BB, but if we do, who would we get? Bring French up?

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Beaten meaning beaten by goal scorers scoring goals against him, not beaten physically. The last thing I need is someone misunderstanding that term and thinking that was a threat.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | October 21, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

"I'm starting to think about joining the BB-needs-to-go bandwagon"

maybe i am too... this team just seems to have too much of a "nonchalant" feeling to it... it's just too carefree, there needs to be a more seriousness feel to it.

Posted by: rachel216 | October 21, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

hahahahah BB, postgame: "We had lots of chances to score, we just didnt".

classic. Its like watching a bad movie on replay...

Posted by: kjua2 | October 21, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

When BB was yelling and ranting on the bench, I was wondering if the players even cared? Sometimes a coach does his "thing" and the players have heard it so much, that it has no impact anymore.
Back to back losses is no reason to throw in the towel, but the team does not look cohesive. I still think the addition of a another veteran player would have helped. Something just seems to be missing....

Posted by: kcbrichmond | October 21, 2010 9:58 PM | Report abuse

McPhee is responsible for bringing and more relevantly, sticking with BB.

His reasoning for not making any signficant changes in the offseason was laughable.

His trade acquisitions last year were weak and his justification for the Corvo one was the most absurd thing that may have ever come out of his mouth... and he's said a lot of pathetic things.

Leonsis needs to ditch McPhee and go from there. Let the new GM evaluate Boudreau and his systems.

Which GM? A different one. This one isn't gonna make the enough good decisions and moves to take us the next level so there is no point in spinning our wheels.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

When BB was yelling and ranting on the bench, I was wondering if the players even cared? Sometimes a coach does his "thing" and the players have heard it so much, that it has no impact anymore.


Posted by: kcbrichmond

Very good point. Plus OV is no Captain. I like him as a player but he just is not effective as a captain, what so ever. Laich would be so much better.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | October 21, 2010 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Our response to choking in the playoffs was giving everyone raises. Everyone is fat and happy. Time for some heads to roll, and it's long overdue.

Good thing we locked Poti up! Wouldn't want to use that $3m to find another defensemen.

Where are the koolaid drinkers now? Speak up.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

better get on the phone to Saskatchewan

Posted by: wendel2 | October 21, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

mmm! KoolAid! It's 2 games!

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Give McPhee time, people. He only needs another decade to accidentally make enough consecutive good decisions that he lucks into some real success.

He's in a neverending rebuilding mode. Let's keep getting younger and softer. That's how to build a balanced hockey team.

Let's keep sticking with the AHL coach that doesn't teach the total game. That's how to build a balanced hockey team.

McPhee is amazing! C'mon, look at all his playoff success over the last dozen years. How could anybody doubt him?

The shortcomings have to be explained away by something other than the person most responsible for well... everything... not being good at well... anything.

Look at the teams that rebuilt around the same time. How come they figured out? Did their GMs do a better job at building balanced rosters, utilizing the trade and free agency markets, etc...?

Just wait til some of the teams that were considered lousy in the past few years surpass us. Leonsis' hand will be forced at that point. He won't be able to sugarcoat things forever.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

mmm! KoolAid! It's 2 games!

Posted by: aglatfelter

They have been terrible all year. You can go back to the playoffs if you want.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

@ksaul79

Except teams can't really rely on the following formula of team success.

1) Step 1 -- talented team underachieves at beginning of season and is in serious danger of missing playoffs

2) Step 2 -- Team fires coach

3) Step 3 -- Team turns it around and makes playoffs

4) Step 4 -- Team advances to SC Finals

While it has worked for the last 2 years, it just doesn't seem like a strategy one can count on. Maybe there is a coach out there who can get more out of the Caps but firing a coach may or may not have the expected results. (It would be just the Caps' luck for that strategy not to work.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 21, 2010 10:20 PM | Report abuse

If you look at the last 10 games of the Caps(counting the last 3 playoff games last year), the Caps have scored more than 2 goals in regulation ONCE in ten games. That is horrible. Absolutely horrible. You need to score more than that.

For all the talk about BB and defense. The real problem the past 10 games has been the Caps inability to score on golden opportunities. The Caps have created a lot of opportunities but they consistently either miss the net or shoot the puck into the goalie. It isn't the system because the Caps are getting good chances. The players are just missing them. It is the players' fault.

The only Capital who has shown any ability to finish on a decent amount of good scoring chances is Ovie.

Backstrom and Knuble have been terrible shooting the puck. They get golden opportunities and shoot it into the pads. Yes, Tim Thomas made some nice saves but Knuble has to lift the puck over Thomas' pads on those close chances.

Everyone says Semin has a wonderful shot, and he has one of the quickest releases in the game and can fire the puck incredibly hard. But he is so inaccurate when shooting the puck. He rarely hits the corner. He either misses or hits the goalie in the stomach.

Laich has the shot of a 3rd liner and his inability to finish may be the best reason to move him to the 3rd line. His shot is terrible and he has shown no ability to lift the puck on rebounds from in close.

Flash is in the same group with Backstrom, Just showing no ability to make a nice shot. Or he whiffs on open scoring chances.

Chimera is a 3rd liner and no body ever expected him to have any shot accuracy. So I can deal with that.

MJ, it's too early to be down on him because of his age and inexpereince.

Fehr has shown an ability to finish but he gets limited ice time. I think it is time to at least bump Fehr to the 2nd line with Laich moving to the 3rd line.

Going into this season I never would have guessed that scoring goals would be the Caps biggest problem, but it is. And it isn't because of a lack of chances. It is due to most of the Caps being unable to finish quality scoring chances.

Ovie is the only clear exception.

Posted by: sgm3 | October 21, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

90 was arguably the best forward on the ice tonight. Certainly better than anybody on the top line.

14 may have been the 2nd best player.

28 was good, too.

If you want some positives, that may be a good place to start.

3 players considered to be on the soft side due to age or who they are, were are hardest working and most effective players, including along the boards.

Who woulda thunk it?

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 10:25 PM | Report abuse

So they arent gonna have 120 points and win every game 7-1. We won a lot of games last year coming back in the third.

Posted by: aglatfelter | October 21, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

If we can only get all the media to start saying "we suck" and "we can't do it" and "they're a bust" maybe we'll start actually playing.

ever since everyone has been considering us the next coming of greatness we've believed our own hype and stopped playing.

until we work as a TEAM for 60 minutes at BOTH ends of the ice we will just be hype.

Posted by: natresgroup | October 21, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Where are the koolaid drinkers now? Speak up.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 10:08 PM

only 75 games to make up 1 point - it's getting down to the wire. i hope gmgm can pull of another huet, feds & cooke deal next week - caps are gonna need it.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 21, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

@natesgroup

I've thought about that and agree that it's a part of it.

But the real underlying issue is the GM.

Plenty of teams have performed under that kind of hype because their GMs hired coaches and constructed rosters that could thrive in the spotlight.

Every team on the rise ends up under the microscope. The truly good ones thrive under it because at their core, they have good GMs who know how to run an NHL organization.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

(cont.)... and that trickles down to the on-ice product and results.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

90 was by far and away the best player tonight. That line was pretty good, other than Semin taking the penalty.

The first line finally tried to cycle the puck in the offensive zone and they got some good chances in the first. But they were awful in their own end.

The third line I barely even noticed when they were on the ice. Which I guess is ok, they werent bad in their own end but accomplished nothing on offense. I dont count the gift to Chimera.

The 4th line my guess is probably got 7 minutes of ice time the whole game. They did what they could in that time frame.


Posted by: ThePat | October 21, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Where are the koolaid drinkers now? Speak up.

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 10:08 PM

only 75 games to make up 1 point - it's getting down to the wire. i hope gmgm can pull of another huet, feds & cooke deal next week - caps are gonna need it.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

There's one.

How about a Corvo, Walker, Belanger type deal?

Capt_Kirk_in_Fantasy Land

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

i can't disagree with you. your points are very valid.

i just want our team to play up to our potential consistently. i don't want to have to have 3rd period comebacks. i just want to see the effort from every player that i see from teams with a lot less talent.

i'm a "thick and thin" caps fan, so i stay by them no matter what but i want to finally live up to our potential and our hype all the way to a cup.

Posted by: natresgroup | October 21, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

And BB can yell and scream all he wants but he needs to teach them to play the total game, on an individual and team level.

I do think that BB is probably a good motivator but motivation and talent on the ice aren't enough.

The players need to have structure and play the right way in all 3 zones.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

How about a Corvo, Walker, Belanger type deal?

Capt_Kirk_in_Fantasy Land

Posted by: underpants2 | October 21, 2010 10:41 PM

he's learned his lesson about listening to the armchair gmgm's in here - he won't be making any more deals just to make a deal. why do you think he was so inactive this summer? because armchair gm's really don't know what they're talking about.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 21, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

Another positive is that these early struggles could force a certain degree of change.

They've gotten away with a lot of bad habits over the years.

I don't know if the coach or the GM will be able to take advantage of these struggles but they at least force some internal reflection, from the GM, the coaches and the players.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 10:52 PM | Report abuse

One of the things that could jump start the team is the trade of a player no one is expecting to be dealt. That should wake them up and show them that everyone is accountable. Because I think that is the one thing a lot of the guys dont get. And that is why I said all summer long the lack of veterans on this team is a major concern.

Posted by: ThePat | October 21, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

ThePat:
they could trade their captain - that would surely wake em up. haha

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 21, 2010 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Yes the Caps need to improve in more than one area, but their biggest failure has been their inability to convert great scoring opportunities. They need to learn how to convert those. Laich should not be on the 2nd line, he has 3rd line finishing skills.

But for all this talk of failure and how it will force them for into self-reflection. They are 4-3. Not 0-7. They lost two games in a row. Every team in the league does that. They are not going to fire the coach for a 4-3 start. If so, that would be one of the most severe cases of overreacting.

Posted by: sgm3 | October 21, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

90 really did some tremendous backchecking tonight.

Let's see how long it takes for BB to discourage those instincts right out of him.

Sure, I heard all the talk from him about how 90's defense was the deciding factor in keeping him but BB's excessive focus on scoring will eventually make 90 fear not producing points so he'll take more risks, Caps styliez!

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 11:06 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

yup I know they are 4-3. Im not saying fire anyone right now, I think that would be dumb. If the effort continues though for the next 10 games though a trade or demotion needs to happen. And while we are 4-3 the only two games we played well and deserved to win are NJ and probably Ottawa. All the other games we have been out played and deserved to lose in my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | October 21, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

And while we are 4-3 the only two games we played well and deserved to win are NJ and probably Ottawa. All the other games we have been out played and deserved to lose in my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | October 21, 2010 11:11 PM

I largely agree. I still our most complete effort was against Ottawa even though Ottawa tilted the ice in that game. We did a lot of little things well that night. I liked what I saw better than even what we did against NJ. We didn't give a 60-min effort against NJ and Ottawa played a lot better and more desperately than did NJ.

I actually think that we played well last night. It was probably our 3rd best performance even though there were clearly issues.

Tonight had the makings of being a good one. We played well in the 1st but then got our you know whats handed to use for most of the rest of the way.

The Bruins' forechecked the life out of us in the 2nd and started outworking us and outexecuting us for the majority of the remainder of the game.

I wish we could forecheck like that. Gotta be tougher and on the same page to do that, though.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

It probably is more disturbing to lose 2 in a row to the same team, a team that we could handle both last year and this year. And the fact that they're looking like they did in the playoffs.

And the fact they're not converting scoring opportunities. There are some people out there that think the Caps deserve to be 1-6.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 21, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

Assuming the Caps make the playoffs this season, what have you seen from BB in his 4 playoff series that makes you think that he won't get outcoached yet again?

You could argue that we even got outcoached in the one series that we won.

And again, same assumption, what makes you think that McPhee will effectively address the team's needs this time around?

Have you ever heard anything dumber from a GM than his justification for the Corvo trade? Let's just hope it was to cover up for a better deal that fell through. I'll give him the benefit of that doubt on that one.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

There's no question this team has talent, but I don't think we'll see them truly compete for a Cup until they commit to playing defense as a team. Many of us post they look too passive or casual on the power play and while I'm not completely on the "get rid of Boudreau", there's no question this team should "own" certain games but we constantly rely on the "hot goalie" or "injuries" or "excuse du jour" to explain away our losses vs. being realistic.

btw - fjc33 or "peerless" has been "bang on" with his analysis and game predictions..cough.

Posted by: Jaymagz | October 21, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

"If the effort continues though for the next 10 games though a trade or demotion needs to happen."

I largely agree with this.

The last two games I don't think the Caps gave a bad effort. Their inability to convert on glorious scoring chances has killed them. They had multiple chances in the first when they were playing well. It is common when a team misses a lot of good scoring chances then gets scored on to lose some of their energy. The team needs to improve upon this.

I'm more concerned about this than the effort because it has been there for the past 10 games(including last 3 playoff games).

If the inability to score continues I think a roster move to shake up the team could be good. Possibly a trade(looking at you Flash) or a call-up (looking at you MP).

Laich should not be on the 2nd line. He does not have the scoring ability to be on a scoring line. IMO, he and Fehr need to switch.

The only thing I saw tonight that I liked was that MJ played very well and looked comfortable on the 2nd line. He was also very responsible defensively while creating good scoring chances. If Semin and Laich knew how to shoot the puck on net while not shooting directly into the goalie, then that line would've scored.

MJ's play did give me some hope that he could possibly be a quality 2nd line center by the end of the year. However, it was only one game.

Posted by: sgm3 | October 21, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and props to Claude Julien.

That is one well-coached hockey team.

They play a really smart brand of hockey in all 3 zones.

Once they get fully healthy up front, they may have enough offensively this season to go even further.

It's very impressive to watch how they execute as a team. They're tough, smart and attentive to detail.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 21, 2010 11:42 PM | Report abuse

For all those who drool over Bieska, Darren Dreger reported that the Canucks are shipping him out ASAP! Could Washington be his destination?

Not much to say about the game that hasn't already been said except MarJo showed why he got the spot over MP. That kid looked really good playing against tougher competition.

Posted by: ablake70 | October 21, 2010 11:43 PM | Report abuse

To me, the sign of a really good coach is what he can do when he lacks talent.

Can you imagine how bad we would look with our run 'n gun style of play and lack of structure if we we had average or subpar talent making up the core of this team?

Sure, BB may not have been brought in if that were the case... just sayin'.

There are coaches out there that can get a lot of out of a little and lead teams to overachieve.

BB is more and more looking like someone that gets not enough out of a lot. McPhee's inability to build a balanced roster doesn't help, either.

Posted by: tmac2yao | October 22, 2010 12:01 AM | Report abuse

New thread, gang, in case anyone's interested.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | October 22, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Just got home from Boston. I can't believe how poorly they played. This was my girlfirend's first NHL game and during the third period she goes "Are they always this bad? It looks like they aren't even trying, like it's a practice or something."

In my opinion MaJo and Fehr were the best guys out there. Both were putting in a great effort, skating hard on both ends of the ice and at times looked like the only guys who cared. Laich and Knuble were ok most of the game. Nicky looked good in short bursts. Flush was the last guy back into the defensive zone every damn time as usual. Ovechkin flat out sucked. Like totally mailed it in. He just skated into the offensive zone and fired off a shot as soon as he got in all night long. Passing was awful. D was awful. What a lazy, half-assed performance.

Posted by: ssweeney | October 22, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

Well, some of us "kool-aid" drinkers are simply tired of reading the "I told you so" people every time the Capitals lose. Riddle me this, if our goaltender plays so well, that the ONLY reason we win a game is because Neuvy bailed us out, but if Tim Thomas stands on his head, it's no excuse? So we can win only because of our goaltender, but we can't lose just because of someone else's?

The Caps did get pinned in their zone on 3 obvious occasions, one resulting in the goal early in the 2nd. The Caps also had what Joe B characterized as an "onslaught" on a few occasions and old @$$ Thomas came up with some slick saves at critical junctures.

One last comment. Now we have people saying the Capitals are impatient on the PP and not waiting for better chances, but when they try to make the nice plays and exercise patients they are being too cute.

For all of you trying to discuss the roadmap created by Montreal last year is being used now, and I tried to explain that what we are seeing is the trap, did you hear what Laughlin said not more than 5 minutes into the game? If you can't remember, he said the Caps will have to get through the neutral zone trap better than they did on Tuesday.

Posted by: fanohock1 | October 22, 2010 6:28 AM | Report abuse

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