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Boudreau Disputes Nylander's Comments

Coach Bruce Boudreau denies telling Michael Nylander that he "wasn't good enough" to play for the Caps as the veteran center was quoted as saying in a Swedish report earlier today.

I didn't speak to Boudreau directly -- he's running his Golden Horseshoe hockey school in St. Catherines, Ontario, this week -- but he issued a brief statement through a team spokesman.

"I do not have any recollection of saying that to Michael," Boudreau said. "That is not my style, and not something I would say."

Barring a trade in the coming weeks -- a development that, at this juncture, seems unlikely given No. 92's no-movement clause, age and cap hit -- it's clear that Nylander and Boudreau must find some common ground or this will become a distraction for the Caps next season.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  August 3, 2009; 6:28 PM ET
 
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BB knows better.

What's clear is that the focus needs to remain on the person responsible for this TERRIBLE contract.
McPhail will never ever be a part of a CUP winner

Posted by: Cheef | August 3, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah that's the Cheef we all know and love

Posted by: billd2 | August 3, 2009 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Having defended Nylander before, I now feel differently. I can't imagine Boudreau saying "you're not good enough". Maybe "you're not fitting into the offensive scheme" or "why the @$%#(#! are you skating in circles?" or "I think I'm scratching you tonight", but not "you're not good enough". If these feelings are festering it doesn't bode well for a good locker room this fall. An unhappy player can spoil an otherwise content team. I think somehow, someway he's got to be moved...

Posted by: kcbrichmond | August 3, 2009 7:11 PM | Report abuse

for anyone that cares - in regards to nyls taking less money like knuble and morrison
the cba article 50.8
(a) "after the execution of this agreement, no SPC may provide for either:"
(iii) "salary revisions"

he can NOT take less money right now

nyls can take less money with extension of his contract - this extension can only be done during the last year of the curent contract

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 3, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

so what if BB talk Nyls he wasn't good enough. I know that's rather blunt but obviously he isn't good enough to play... LOL can't it get any simpler??

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Cheef = jilted ex of Mr. McPhee?

I can't imagine someone going through life with that much venom when talking about another person.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | August 3, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

so what if BB told Nyls he wasn't good enough. I know that's rather blunt but obviously he isn't good enough to play... LOL can't it get any simpler??

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 7:18 PM | Report abuse

BTW isn't this what Ben Bradlee calls a non-denial denial? I don't recall such and such intead of I never said such and such?

BB is starting to sound like a politician already... LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

It's pretty common knowledge that McPhee is a mediocre GM.

Btw it's spelled St. Catharines.

Posted by: alanb1 | August 3, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

i never actually believed that BB would say that to Nylander, I'm thinking that Nylander probably arrived at the conclusion that BB "doesn't think he's good enough" given the number of times he was a healthy scratch.

BB just doesn't seem like the kind of person to flat out say something like that.

either way, I agree with most of you this has the potential of ruining team chemistry and turning into a major distraction next season, if Nyls can't be moved at all I hope that GMGM and BB will take the necessary steps in order to insure that this doesn't negatively affect the team heading into next season.

Posted by: jogabonito | August 3, 2009 7:28 PM | Report abuse

maybe he will become enough of a distraction to GET BOUGHT OUT *dreamin*

Posted by: bryaningrocery | August 3, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

LOL. So what is new? Everyone should have known by now that there was a problem between these two guys. Who is at fault? Maybe both of them are at fault, or maybe one or the other, Who knows and who cares? The fact is they don't seem to be able to work it out and if they don't, then GMGM will have to intervene.
The fun part is going to be reading the dumb comments coming regarding Nyls interview. Is there any wonder why some players don't speak to the press? The guy speaks his mind and give his side of the story, and already there are people ready to castrate him while defending a God (BB) who could never do anything wrong without a single side of evidence on either side.
LOL. GO FOR IT.

Posted by: opita1 | August 3, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

uh buying him out doesn;t solve any of our problems...fool

Posted by: capsfan387 | August 3, 2009 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Nylander can do one of two things:

he can feel sorry for himself thinking, "my coach doesn't think I'm good enough" and just count the money

or

show up at the camp in the best shape of his life with an attitude of "I'm gonna prove that little SOB wrong" and man up.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Seriously...who cares if BB told him that he's not good enough. He should have big enough skates to be able to deal with that. It's his contract and he doesn't want to move to certain teams so like it or lump it...if the coach tells you you're not good enough...tough cookie. If I got all in a tizzy every time my wife gave me a C+ in the bedroom...I'd be looking for the first new "team" with or without a no trade clause. Check please

Posted by: TottenhamCaps | August 3, 2009 7:44 PM | Report abuse

exactly, who cares... either he's not good enough to be in the lineup or there's something personal between them which would be even worse.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

baaHa. Good thing "mediocre" gets you a raft of 24 year-olds who are -very- good and getting better, chased by a boatload of 20 year-olds who just won the AHL championship. What's the matter, is your Equipment Manager Bobblehead Doll just languishing on eBay?
Oh, and a warm welcome back to the not-quite-ultimate troll, Cheef. The Caps haven't won a game in *weeks*--where ya been?
GMGM is Good.

Posted by: redlineblue | August 3, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

to whoever said that we should buy out Nyls contract, I doubt that a buyout will ever happen, GMGM has already ruled out the possibility. If we do, we'll be in a sticky situation in the future when gearing up to resign our young guns (backstrom, semin)

Posted by: jogabonito | August 3, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

My question is does Nyls have any close friends on the team who are part of the future who might feel slighted by all of this? Is he close enough with (for example) Backstrom that Nicky gets soured on the organization? That's my only real concern.

Other then that I say GMGM calls the Oilers and says I will give you Nyls and any D except for Green, Alzner or Carlson for a 7th round pick. :)

Posted by: pkendrick | August 3, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

McPhee should get on the horn and contact Bryan Murray about Heatley. Move Nyls plus a 'D' man or two. Murray is in a bad spot right now, and it's gonna be tough for San Jose or the NY Rangers to work a deal for Heatley due to cap issues. Murray can't afford to have Heatley start the season in Ottawa due to the media scrutiny in Canada, so this might be a way out. Now, the question is, do we want Heatley and his baggage? I say yes since he's a 50 goal scorer. Thoughts?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 3, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

^ I think Tarik mentioned a while ago that Nyls is not particularly close with any of the team members, that he mostly keeps to himself.

Posted by: jogabonito | August 3, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Re buyout, not happening this season due to the cap hit in the future.
@pkendrick, are you not aware of Backstrom's rookie season as to how much Nylander helped out Backstrom and Backstrom joking about being another one of Nyl's children?
Nyl's was a good choice at the time, but blame the contract on GMGM. Don't know if it is a combination between the coaching change and the recovery from the surgery for his play. But even if BB did not actually say it, his actions in playing Hershey call ups over Nylander sends that same message. What team is now going to trade for "Mr. Healthy Scratch," which is why I thought the Caps would found some way to play him before the trade deadline in order to get a trade.

Posted by: NovaCath | August 3, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Nobody is going to get on the phone and ask to trade for Nyls right now, not even Bryan Murray unless he wants to be fired. The only thing the Caps can hope for is salvage something out of a bad situation and he actually has a decent year somehow.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

I can't see BB saying that, either. I can see him telling Nyls what he needed to do differently, how he could improve and what he needed to do to fit into the system. If that's the case, then I can see how Nyls might have "heard" that he's not good enough ... especially after frequently being a healthy scratch. I suppose only the two of them know for sure, but I would not be surprised if that is how it played out.

Posted by: --Boo-- | August 3, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Amazingly, Cheef and opita show up at the same time. It's like the bill collector showing up at the door right after your car broke down and when you've just run out of clean underwear.

Anyone who defends Nylander didn't watch the Caps last year. He did almost nothing. Whenever he had the puck and an opposing player came within ten feer of him, he coughed it up.

Cough, cough, cough.

His nickname should be "Smith Bros."

I don't know how you take Heatley - $7.5M for five more years. That means you absolutely must move Semin (because you can't move Backstrom and be centerless). I like Semin on the team better than Heatley, to be honest. I don't see how the cap can fit with Heatley, because Semin belongs on the Caps and will be more productive here than anywhere.

OK, get this, I will give Ottawa Nylander, Poti and Neuvirth for Heatley. Toss in a depth forward like Bouchard. Then I will save cap space the next two years by having Carlson play instead of Poti (saves almost $3M/year).

I would then trade Heatley after this coming season and use that money to sign...Kovalchuk.

If Holtby isn't ready to back up Varly next season, I sign, for one year...Brent Johnson.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 3, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

God, it is disappointing that he won't just up and leave especially when he realizes he isn't a fit here...play-wise, player-wise. It shows this guy is about the money...I hate to see him weasel us out of another year of salary but it looks that way! I'm glad that the players ignore him and don't include them in their world...he just wants a paycheck.

Posted by: CapsSighting | August 3, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Murray may get fired if he DOESN'T move Heatley. He'd likely do it for a bag of pucks at this point. The Sens are already on the hook for the $4 miilion dollar automatic roster bonus that kicked in when Heatley's trade request wasn't met by the July 1st deadline. Things are crazy in Ottawa with the press and fans and Murray is in a really bad spot since the Canadian media is waaaaaay more brutal than their counterparts down here. Here's a repost from the last blog concerning the historical relevance to Caps fans of Nylander's request to get outta town:

Long-time Caps fans may remember a similar situation with the "Can't Miss Kid" Bobby Carpenter. He was told to stay home by the team for several weeks during the '86-'87 season until a trade was arranged (the Caps got Mike Ridley and Kelly Miller from the Rangers). Here's a refresher on what went down with GM Poile, Coach Bryan Murray, and Carpenter.

Nylander's public grousing could quickly devolve into what Carpenter and the Caps brass went through 20+ years ago. McPhee needs to find a dance partner and get him outta here. Let's see if he and Murray can help each other with their respective problems.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 3, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

No distraction for the Caps this season.
Just sit his butt like last season and play hockey.
GO CAPS !

Posted by: jotay131 | August 3, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I don't understand why everyone seems to be hung up on what BB may have told him. If he didn't tell him, his actions all but told him that he wasn't good enough.

think coaches like Bob Knight has ever told some of his players that they weren't good enough to play?? Nylander is no spring chicken, he's 36. I know we live in the age of year around conditioning, steroids and all kinds of performance enhancing drugs but players have been known to lose their skills at that age.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan,

I remember that very well. I couldn't believe Poile pulled that off especially right after Ridley and Miller helped upset the heavily favored the Caps in the playoffs the year before.

but you can't count on something like that. I think the Rangers GM was Espo and he's not around anymore.. LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

And what's all this, from everyone, that Nylander can't fit in the system?

What is so difficult about the Caps' system?

When Nylander was with the Rangers, they din't bring the puck over the blue line and then pass it and then put a shot on goal? To me, the Nyles problem, as I have pointed out, was he played in total fear of taking a hit. I will not criticize, I will just speculate that he hasn't recovered from injury.

OK, get him an MRI. If the shoulder is still hurt, put him on LTIR for...two years. If his shoulder is fine, then put him on the ice for full contact with the minor leaguers until he either quits or realizes he's no longer hurt.

Institute a fine for any player who inappropriately coughs up the puck.

Anyone have games from last year recorded? Just watch - Nylander set an all-time NHL record for most offensive zone chances turned the other way into the other team breaking out due to unforced error.

"Doesn't fit within the sytem." OK, maybe that means, the "system" is for the players to play aggressively. Whatever.

I'm trying not to be critical - "Judge not, least ye be judged." But, it was there to see.

As for Cheef, McPhee's report card since 2002 is all A's and B's except for an "F" for Pokoluk. He gets an A for 2002 Semin, Eminger, Gordo; a B for 2003 jury still out on Fehr; an A+ for 2004 moving Lang and Conch and picking up Mo, Schultz, Green and Flash; an A in 2006 for Backstrom and then Varly later in a pick from trading Brendan Witt and then Neuvy 2nd round; and 2007 and 2008 too early to tell except the Holtby pick 4th round and the Carlson pick seem exceptional. And Teddy Ruth for Fedorov? a #2 for Huet? Great deadline deals. If you want to criticize him, show the facts.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 3, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

@MetalCapsFan

Recalling the Bobby Carpenter situation saddens me but I had forgotten so many of the details.

I will recall that he was my favorite Cap in the early 80's. Then, I had a baby in early 1985 and between juggling work and a baby, my attention was elsewhere. So, I missed quite a lot of the events surrounding the Caps. I remember 1985 when they were off to a great start and slumped after my baby was born. I recall the 1985-1986 season where they had a great record and were bounced in the playoffs early.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

On trading Nylander. Is there some team whose barely over the salary floor who can take him off our hands?

Obviously, taking Heatley in return isn't the answer since that would mean having no money for Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Also Bobby Carpenter never wanted to play for the caps from the beginning, he was pissed off from the draft day when the caps drafted him one spot before the whalers.

the caps would have been a lot better off had they taken Ron Francis instead.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

We know that Nyls was productive under Hanlon but got hurt. He essentially missed most of the renaissance of the team under Boudreau.

He came back but wasn't the same. Could some of this be age? Or the fact that maybe he just isn't "right" physically? Maybe he needed consistent line mates.

But with all the line changes due to injuries, there were several other guys that lacked consistent line mates, namely Semin, Fehr, Laich.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

The comment didn't sound like BB's style to me. He knows better. It sounded to me like whatever was said was taken by Nylander that way and paraphrased.

I agree, though. He's going to distract the locker room if he cannot be moved, and fairly quickly. KHL will take him, obviously, but he has to agree with it. I just hope he doesn't act like Dany Heatley.

As for taking Heatley for Nylander straight up ... whoever said that isn't using the brains God gave a gnat. Hmmm, we have cap problems with a $4.875m cap hit for 3 more years, and you want to take a $7.5m contract for five more years? That makes my brain hurt.

@tominfl1: Exactly on McPhee. If you're going to make a claim, back it with facts.

Meh. I feel a little bad for Nylander, but if he does anything to hurt the locker room, I won't. It's mutual at this point, get him out of here.

Posted by: kittypawz | August 3, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

I don't recall Carpenter not wanting to be drafted by the Caps. It sounded like he was more pissed off about what was happening in 1986-1987.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Saw this deal proposal over on HFBoards:

To Washington

RW Heatley $7.5 mil


To Ottawa

RW Eric Fehr $771,750
D Shaone Morrisonn $1,975,000
C Michael Nylander $4.875 mil for two years

Total: $7,621,750 mil

Difference = $121,750

That would give Ottawa a winger back, remove a 'D' man from the crowded blueline, and help us a little with our cap situation. Thoughts?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 3, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

I assume that Boudreau probably didn't say point blank "you're not good enough" but may have said or implied "you didn't play good enough this year".

Nyls probably took it to mean "You're not good enough."

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

@MetalCapsFan

I had been wondering myself if packaging a D-man along with Nylander to get Heatley would be a possibility. Morrisonn's a good a D-man to include as any. I sort of hate to see Fehr go but the deal could be workable. Ottawa might go for that deal since, let's face it, they aren't all that great at defense. Might they want another blue liner in addition to Morrisonn as opposed to Fehr? (I'm not saying it because I like Fehr. I'm thinking of Ottawa's need for defense.)

Before making this deal, I want the Caps to make sure that Heatley's personality (and attitude; etc.) would fit with them.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

That deal would be a steal for us.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

No to Heatley. Too expensive and most probably in his declining years, plus, we are covered in that position. As for Nyls, you can't take these recent comments as pure fact. It's a press report and things do get misread in translation. It's probably not half as bad as it seems and we must hope that these guys are professional enough to get through it - look at what the Skins put Jason Campbell through during the off season by desperately seeking a new starting QB. Now, they have to convince him that he's the man.

Posted by: gonchpup | August 3, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75,

Bobby Carpenter never made a secret of the fact that he wanted to be drafted by the whalers and stay in NE. of course he would have preferred to be drafted by the bruins but that wasn't in the cards.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I hate Fehr and think other d-men should go before ShaMo, but that deal is in our favor by far. Do it Do it Do it.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

No to Heatley. Too expensive and most probably in his declining years, plus, we are covered in that position.

_________________________

We actually gain cap space....
He is not in the decline of his years, he is starting his prime. He would easily put up 50 goals again on our team.
He can play RW...so there you go.


This trade would obviously not happen for a number of reasons, but to not want it to happen seems strange to me.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

I like that some of this mystery of Nyls not playing is being exposed. I would venture to say that BB said something to the fact that "Mike, you're not good enough to play in the playoff games and you are going to be scratched."

BB is not God and he does have flaws. He's a very good coach but some you the fellow bloggers drool all over him and think that everything he touches turns to gold.

Nyls has been a professional throughout his career. I'm sure he has some faults and they may come out to the surface.

I think this has to do more with BB's judgment than Nyls. He started out fine with the Caps after signing the large contract and then he had his shoulder injury. Since then he's been a mystery and nobody states why he's not playing.

It's not the player's position to come out first to say why he's not playing. It's the coach's or GM's duty to say so.

We're talking about a player that's getting paid $4.5 to ride the bench when he's healthy? As a STH who's dropping $20 grand a year (and there's numerous other fans in the same boat with me), we deserve a "simple" explanation why he's not playing. I'm not looking for a Jim Mora explosion but I want to know why he's being scratched consistently.

As for the others that want to trade for Heatley, get a grip. Here's a guy, that requested a trade that he and his teammates don't know what it's about.

Posted by: puckman | August 3, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan:

1) That trade doesn't solve our cap. The spreadsheet is at work, but we are over the cap counting Jurcina and Alzner and not counting Mo. I am guessing what you have proposed leaves the Caps $500K or so over, counting Alzner's bonus.

2) That trade makes it worse next year because Mo goes off anyway as an UFA.

That's why earlier I put the only way to make a Nyles for Heatley wotk is to throw in Poti, because that fixes the cap this year and, more importantly, next (Poti can be replaced with Sloan or Carlson).

3) I don't want to trade Semin, even to get Heatley.

4) Ultimately, you could do the deal to get Heatley and then he is productive and you can move him the end of the year if you want to sign Kovalchuk.

I don't mind Nylander and Morrisonn for Heatley as long as they also take Poti. Actually, your deal is a win for the Caps except for the cap hit stuff. I'd rather deal Fehr than some other young players. You just need to move Poti's $3.5M to make the Backstrom and Semin raises work for next year. I would hate to get Heatley at the cost of Semin, who in his words is like a "brother" to Ovechkin.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 3, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

Now the latest report is that the Montreal Canadians are getting involved the Heatley sweepstakes. Currently, there are some rumors about him going to the San Jose Sharks. (With Ducks fans posting all kinds of nasty comments on the Yahoo boards about the Sharks' propensity to choke.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil -

Gain cap space under wishful thinking by MetalCapsFan - doesn't hold much clout. The talk with the Sharks has Marleau or Cheechoo as potential trade bate and even that does not look too favorable now. You think Murray would consider replacing Heatly player for player with Fehr? No way. Trying to swing Nyls after a not-so-stellar year won't sweeten the deal all that much. Plus, Heatly has been known to be a bit of a head-case at times

Posted by: gonchpup | August 3, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

As for the others that want to trade for Heatley, get a grip. Here's a guy, that requested a trade that he and his teammates don't know what it's about.

Posted by: puckman | August 3, 2009 10:13 PM |

No one wants to trade for Heatley, it was a rumor. Lighten up, I said it won't happen.

And no, no you don't deserve an explanation. No one deserves one. If they want to give us one, they can, but to think you are entitled to one just because you are a STH is quite the lofty proposal.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Gain cap space under wishful thinking by MetalCapsFan - doesn't hold much clout. The talk with the Sharks has Marleau or Cheechoo as potential trade bate and even that does not look too favorable now. You think Murray would consider replacing Heatly player for player with Fehr? No way. Trying to swing Nyls after a not-so-stellar year won't sweeten the deal all that much. Plus, Heatly has been known to be a bit of a head-case at times

Posted by: gonchpup | August 3, 2009 10:17 PM |
Heatley has never been known to be a head-case. All that started after last season, and only last season.

Anyways, it seems you agree with me. To make that trade would be obviously in the Caps favor, thus that trade will never happen. Of course I am talking about cap space under MetalCapsFan's "wishful thinking" (when it wasn't be cause all it is is a rumor that he reposted), because that is the specific trade we are talking about. Alter the trade, and I have a different answer.

All I am saying is this. That trade is entirely in the Caps favor, 100%. To not want to make that trade, on the Caps side, would be strange. And that is also why that trade is just a rumor.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Including Poti in that deal would probably work.

I recall how so many people here were wanting to trade Semin to get Heatley. I would have nixed that one in a hurry. Heatly is more expensive, with a longer term contract, is older; etc. (Semin seems to be everyone's favorite guy to trade away. Semin for Pronger. Semin for Heatley......)

Yes, I'm concerned about whether Heatley would fit with the Caps. He would certainly help their scoring even though we have gotten help at right wing. Is the NMC still in effect if the Caps got him?

The whold idea of trading Nylander plus defensemen is to trade our malcontent for theirs but satisfying their need for defense.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

OK, from memory, Caps are $100K over counting Alzner and bonus and not counting Morrisonn at all.

Take away Mo - no savings, I didn't count him (I have Green, Poti, Pothier, Alzner, Jurcina, Erskine and Schultz).
Take away Nyles and Fehr - save $5.5M.
Add Heatley for $7.5M. Now add Bourque or another entry-priced forward.

Cap increase is $2.5M and next year it is worse. For a malcontent. With some serious baggage.

We only take him if they take Nylander and Poti and then we can quibble on the details.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 3, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I'm wondering, why did Heatley suddently want to leave the Senators? Was it frustration over their lousy, underachieving play?

I guess the "head case" reputation is because he had wanted out of Atlanta after the car accident that resulted in the death of his friend, Dan Snyder. And now he wants out of Ottawa.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I forgot about that. My numbers, because I copy tom's numbers, are calculated already without ShaMo. Won't work with the Salary Cap, unless as tom stated Poti or Pothier goes too. Pothier back to Ottawa?

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

a coach doesn't put you in the lineup even though you're healthy...

don't know about ya'll but I would take that mean that he didn't think I was good enough.

and some on here are shocked that BB would be that blunt to one of his players... what's he supposed to be like, phil donohue?? LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

@Capsfan75

He was pegged last season as underachieving himself and having a poor work ethic. That combined with a dislike for the coach/front office.

Yeah, he comes with baggage, but he also comes with the capacity to score 50-goals.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 10:33 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Because Heatley seems to be a malcontent, that's why I'd like the Caps to carefully evaluate how well he'd fit with our current cast of characters before making any deal involving him.

(Would Nylander fit with Ottawa's system better than ours?)

Any deal involving Nylander for Heatley, if it were to happen, would likely include Poti and Morrisonn, as well.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

We know that Nyls was productive under Hanlon but got hurt. He essentially missed most of the renaissance of the team under Boudreau.

He came back but wasn't the same. Could some of this be age? Or the fact that maybe he just isn't "right" physically? Maybe he needed consistent line mates.

But with all the line changes due to injuries, there were several other guys that lacked consistent line mates, namely Semin, Fehr, Laich.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:42 PM

Here's a reasonable question.

Hanlon played a puck control defense first game. Nylander came from the Rangers that played a similar type game. Control the puck, get it to the big scorer and let him shoot.

Coach B doesn't believe in that. He's a Crash and Burn type play. Get the puck deep, lots shots on net and lots of movement, look for the rebound, and forechecking.

When you play to control the puck the game slows down. That suits Nylander's style. Everyone's set-up in position and he's in the corner looking for the alley. He's quite good at doing that.

He has no time to get things set up now. He has to relearn the game in the new style of play.

Posted by: Greg S. | August 3, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

You know, Ottawa might bite on Nylander and Semin for Heatley.

Would Caps fans really want to do that?

OK, in a cap-free world, would you trade Semin for Heatley straight up? I would say, no, as Semin belongs with Ovie and the Caps.

And the idea of trading Semin just to rid Nylander's deal, that's awful.

I realize nobody suggested Semin, but it's hard to imagine Ottawa doing otherwise in any kind of deal that works within the cap.

You could probably get Heatley for Carlson, Neuvy, Flash and a high pick. For the Caps, on the fringe of the Cup, maybe a good deal.

I really don't like it, though. The only way the cap works is to move Semin - and I don't want that either.

A better deal is to move for Kovalchuk next summer, if you can swing it. And if Semin leaves as RFA, you get the 4 #1 picks.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 3, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

The effects of a Nylander buy-out:

SEASON ACTUAL SALARY CAP HIT BUYOUT SAVINGS BUYOUT CAP HIT
2009-2010 $5,500,000 $4,875,000 $1,416,667 $4,083,333 $791,667
2010-2011 $3,000,000 $4,875,000 $1,416,667 $1,583,333 $3,291,667
2011-2012 $0 $0 $1,416,667 $-1,416,667 $1,416,667
2012-2013 $0 $0 $1,416,667 $-1,416,667 $1,416,667

Posted by: Greg S. | August 3, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

2 more months and we'll all be talking about what matters most - the games! Trade talk is mostly just killing time and pure speculation. Many fans seem to enjoy the thought of shipping this player here and bringing one in from there, but do it too much and who are we pulling for? I'd rather keep the Caps as they are, as a non-perfect team, than to assemble a new core that looks perfect on paper. Guys like Brads might be replaceable on paper, but I'd be one pissed off fan the day they start moving our these guys. At some point, we need to say "enough" and get on with supporting who we have, including Nyls, Schultz, Theo, and others that are constantly trashed here.

Posted by: gonchpup | August 3, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Tominfl wants facts:

How about 1 playoff series victory in 11 years ?

How about the Nylander contract ?
Bruce Cassidy ? That was an A+ move.

Remain happy in fantasy land....

Man, Ted & GM would love to clone 20,0000 of you

Posted by: Cheef | August 3, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Like I said, I would make that trade in a heartbeat. If it is altered to actually make sense, as tom has done, then I would agree with him, at least about Semin. Heatley is good, but Semin can pop 50 goals if he stayed healthy just as easily.

Needless to say, Heatley isn't going to be in a Caps uniform next year, so we should move on.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 3, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

caps fan 75 go f*c& yourself :)

Posted by: bryaningrocery | August 3, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

srry capsfan75....that was directed towards whichever idiot is capsfan387.....not you....my bad

Posted by: bryaningrocery | August 3, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@bryaningrocery

I forgive you, Brian. I guess there are too many of us who have a message board name starting with CapsFan.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

thanks CAPSFAN75

I made a comment aways back, first time postin...and someone called me a fool which I attributed to you falsely. gotta love the net!!

Posted by: bryaningrocery | August 3, 2009 11:24 PM | Report abuse

anyway, seems like a peipe dream that anything will happen with nylander at all. maybe the lever is pride, don't dress him forever and see if we could eventually get him moved. I don't see any good coming from playing him. He doesn't seem like he will increase his value by circling....

Posted by: bryaningrocery | August 3, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

My problem with most of the posts regarding what that Swedish site translated alleges Boudreau said to Nylander sound like people who read the tabloid magazines cover to cover and believe everything they read.

Last I checked, English doesn't exactly translate directly to any language so it's hard to think that those words would come out of Boudreau's mouth.

Oh, and Cheef, they're serving pudding in the main hall. Just thought you'd like to know. We know how excited you get when they serve pudding.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | August 3, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

if they buy out Nyls, will he show up at the arena and pose for the camera smiling, just like Starbury when the Knicks bought him out and paid him $20 mil to sit on his butt? LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2009 11:33 PM | Report abuse

@LeftCoastCapsFan

You're probably right. We have to take the news on foreign sites with a grain of salt, due to faulty translations. English is a tough language to translate to and from. (When we get down to it, English has a hodge podge of rules since it borrowed so many words from elsewhere.)

And let's hope the Caps sign our favorite auburn haired player before the year's out so everyone can stop suggesting "trade him" for the next star another team wants to dump.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Tominfl wants facts:

How about 1 playoff series victory in 11 years ?

How about the Nylander contract ?
Bruce Cassidy ? That was an A+ move.

Remain happy in fantasy land....

Man, Ted & GM would love to clone 20,0000 of you

Posted by: Cheef | August 3, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

thats already happened. Imagine if he'd actually managed to not be only one of 3 GMs in all of hockey who actually swung a trade last season. Maybe that could've pushed this team past the Penguins. Instead, same old excuses. Hands tied...blahblah. Wonder who tied those hands. oh yeah, HE did

Nylander was just a bad move from the outset. Only the Caps would be in love with an old finesse center. Any old finesse player always has a spot on the Caps if they want it. Anyone remember Bryan Muir? lol, another classic McPhee move.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2009 12:05 AM | Report abuse

As for Cheef, McPhee's report card since 2002 is all A's and B's except for an "F" for Pokoluk. He gets an A for 2002 Semin, Eminger, Gordo; a B for 2003 jury still out on Fehr; an A+ for 2004 moving Lang and Conch and picking up Mo, Schultz, Green and Flash; an A in 2006 for Backstrom and then Varly later in a pick from trading Brendan Witt and then Neuvy 2nd round; and 2007 and 2008 too early to tell except the Holtby pick 4th round and the Carlson pick seem exceptional. And Teddy Ruth for Fedorov? a #2 for Huet? Great deadline deals. If you want to criticize him, show the facts.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 3, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Jury's out on Fehr but not on Teddy Ruth? So, in your eyes that kid's a bust already? Its easy to paint it one way isn't it. The ENTIRE 2003 DRAFT was a complete bust by the Caps. Care to mention that? The entire 2002 draft was a bust (10 additional picks) after the 1st round. The 2005 draft has produced one prospect in Joe Finley. Again, nothing after the 1st round. McPhee should stick to just trading all his picks after the 1st round, they don't help him out much. In 2007 he again can't find anything past the 2nd round this time. At least he was able to pick a decent prospect in the 2nd in Godfrey. To give him an A in every draft starting in 2002 is insane. If you give him an "A", what grade do you give a GM who actually finds players in rounds other than round 1?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

you know, there really is something wrong if I'm the most optimistic guy in the room...

some of you really need help.. LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 4, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

I assume that Boudreau probably didn't say point blank "you're not good enough" but may have said or implied "you didn't play good enough this year".

Nyls probably took it to mean "You're not good enough."

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Boudreau shouldn't back off, if he said that then it was right on the money. And besides, he doesn't have to SAY it. Every action by the coach and the organization implies very strongly that Nyles is not good enough to crack the lineup ahead of the other centers. He's not displacing Backstrom on the top line. To even consider him on the 3rd or 4th lines is asinine since his style really will detract from those lines. His only spot was on the 2nd line, and even when Fedorov was banged up, Laich and Steckel proved to be better options when they got promoted to that line to jumpstart it. The game has passed him by and he's sour over it. The one who should be sour is Bruce, at his GM for saddling him with this cracked eggshell of a player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

@LeftCoastCapsFan

You're probably right. We have to take the news on foreign sites with a grain of salt, due to faulty translations. English is a tough language to translate to and from. (When we get down to it, English has a hodge podge of rules since it borrowed so many words from elsewhere.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2009 11:35 PM

Japers had a couple of guys do the translations who presumably know both Swedish and English and the nuances therein.

Regardless of whether the comments attributed to Nylander about Boudreau are completely correct, he stated elsewhere in the interviews that he is not happy, wants out, and has asked to be moved. So, we have to take him at his word that, yes, he still wants to play, but, no, not in DC anymore. Obviously, the rift between Nyls/the Caps has grown to the point where he is not content to sit back and wait for management to sit him in the press box all year. So, he is using the press to try to create pressure on the team. Who can blame him?

Obviously, there are many possible trade scenarios that could be pursued with Ottawa if Murray/McPhee want to work out a deal. Let the capologists earn their keep. Neither GM needs the nightmare of cancerous players in the locker room come training camp opening. Murray, with TSN, Hockey Night in Canada, Sens fans/bloggers, etc. breathing down his neck, is in a far more precarious position. Murray screwed up the trade he had worked out with the Rangers by leaking the names of the players the Oilers offered so he could squeeze more out of Rags GM Sather. Sather, with his ties to the Oilers organization, pulled out, leaving Murray with egg on his face and with a very unhappy owner to answer to. He knows his job is on the line, so he's desperate at this point to make something, anything, happen. Don't be surprised if it does.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 4, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Also, for anyone who wouldn't want Heatley on the team if a deal could be struck, here's the list of 50 goal scorers in the NHL since the lockout:

Player Team Season Goals GP

Ovechkin Capitals 08-09 56 79
Ovechkin Capitals 07–08 65 82
Kovalchuk Thrashers 07–08 52 79
Iginla Flames 07–08 50 82
Heatley Senators 06–07 50 82
Lecavalier Lightning 06–07 52 82
Cheechoo Sharks 05–06 56 82
Heatley Senators 05–06 50 82
Jagr Rangers 05–06 54 82
Kovalchuk Thrashers 05–06 52 78
Ovechkin Capitals 05-06 52 81

50 goal scorers do not grow on trees. I understand the need to sign Semin and Backstrom next summer, but bonafide talent like Heatley, warts and all, doesn't come along very often. And, it's a cinch we're not grabbing anyone else on that list, except maybe Cheechoo, but his 56 goal season was an anomaly. Throw out the '03-'04 season when he only played 31 games and Heatley has averaged 41 goals/86 pts per year for his career. I'll take results over potential any day.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 4, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

heatley - no way - just for the fact that i wouldn't want to read all the whinning here next year about what a bad contract to be stuck with - some of you people are h*gh.
play nlys or sit nlys - either way he's a capital. the one hope to get another team to take him is if he can put up some numbers before the next trade deadline

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 4, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

Why not wait until the trade deadline. If he plays well half of the season tan maybe other teams will be interested maybe atlanta so can trade Nylander and 3rd round draft ad someone else pick for kovalchuk or trade theodore away if varly plays like henever played before than we et rid of theodore for a team that needs a goalie badly for a veteran goalie that is cheap maybe islanders for biron 1.5 mill is a cheap goalie is Dippi and rolly can stay healthy. Just hope nylander can play good half season. Just thinking for enxt eyar the caps will have to sign backstrom and semen extension contract.

Posted by: sniperzovechkin | August 4, 2009 1:20 AM | Report abuse

Just for comparison, Semin has averaged about 33 goals/65 pts per year the last three seasons, but has proven to be injury prone missing 44 games over that span (including 39 combined the last 2 seasons). There is no guarantee the Caps can bring him back next summer whether or not Heatley comes here. Yeah, he and Ovie are buddies, but if the salary cap goes down like it's forecast to, how much of a "hometown discount" would he be willing to take to stay in DC? Backstrom is the more important player to keep on board since he and Ovie are magic together. Bring Heatley and his 40+ goals in, if it is at all feasible, and we are one (big) step closer to a Cup.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 4, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan:
nlys numbers looked real good before he got here too, and while he was on a line with ovi. now not so much. with the possibility of the salary cap going down - you do not want that contract. i like GMGM and would start calling him an idiot if he did this. you can't be three years into your plan and run the risk of losing core players you'll need for a contract like heatleys

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 4, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

9.5 ovi
7.5 heatley
~6.0 semin
~6.0 backs
5.2 green
5 guys at 34m+ would never work
another 10m tied up in knuble, clark, laich & poti
everyone else on the team would have to be a schultz at around 750k
this team doesn't need more scoring - it needs it's forward to play a little more d.
imo - heatley = disaster

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 4, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

Caps don't need Heatley. They already have one of the best offenses/PPs in the league. The defense and team toughness is what is lacking.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | August 4, 2009 2:54 AM | Report abuse

I agree hatfield223 heatley would be redundant on the caps.

Posted by: bryaningrocery | August 4, 2009 3:41 AM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan: On your list of 50 goal scorers, Kovalchuk is a UFA after this season:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=ATL&season=0910

You can bet Ovie is whispering in his ear. So, it is possible to get a 50-goal scorer not named Heatley. And if Semin left after next season, the Caps would get at least three #1 picks as RFA compensation.

Getting Heatley as a "steal" would be great. But if it isn't a perfect deal, it could well be a very bad one. And it only works inside the cap if Nylander and Poti go the other way, that or Nylander and Semin. One deal, Ottawa wouldn't make, the other, I wouldn't want the Caps to make.

I like the way the three McPhee haters all come crawling out of the bushes. It was Ted who traded for Jagr. Since then, McPhee has done a great job of putting the pieces back together. Sure, there were bad moves. Cassady was an awful choice. But go back and look at any first round since 2002 and you'll find more busts than successes. Look at later rounds and sometimes it's hard to find a name you recognize.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 4, 2009 6:29 AM | Report abuse

Lets look at the facts -

- Nylander was not good enough..injuries may have played a part.

- The NHL does not think you are good enough for the money, and no one wants you at your price and you admit it.

---------

If we know there is 99% chance he wont contribute next year we need to -

- Buy Out Contract
- Package him with prospects and get him off the books.

Posted by: SA-Town | August 4, 2009 6:50 AM | Report abuse

I really don't think it is just one person at fault here. Its not Nyls OR BB its both Nyls AND BB.

Much of our team has been developed from within, promoted from Hershey (except for the obvious stand-outs). So BB has first hand experience with their potential and how they can and do fit into his system.

Nyls best production comes from a different type of system and not with the Caps so BB does not have that first hand experience with his capabilities.

I sometimes think that BB gives the benefit of the doubt to those he knows. Fehr, Flash, Schultz, Green all seem to get many chances after mistakes. Where as Juice, Erskine, Theo, Nyls are pretty quick to get reduced ice time and less chances to make up for mistakes. Even Emminger when he was here. So its hard to fit.

Nyls has got to find a way to become part of this system and BB has got to find some creative ways to use the talent that Nyls has.

Posted by: Grape8 | August 4, 2009 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Tominfl wants facts:

How about 1 playoff series victory in 11 years ?

How about the Nylander contract ?
Bruce Cassidy ? That was an A+ move.

Remain happy in fantasy land....

Man, Ted & GM would love to clone 20,0000 of you

Posted by: Cheef | August 3, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

ah cheef, back from his long summer slumber. caps sign knuble in a widely praised deal. cheef says nothing. sign morrison. nothing from cheef. resist the urge to pay out big bucks to feds and koz. crickets from ol' cheef. but bring up nylander and its all about bruce cassidy. nothing about drafting mike green late or trades that resulted in varlamov, laich, etc. yeah, just luck i suppose.

got news for you cheef. ted and gm have already "cloned" 20K of us. games will be sold out this year. must all be stupid lemmings...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | August 4, 2009 8:20 AM | Report abuse

This is news? Clearly he's not good enough. That's why he was a scratched for most games. Duh.

Posted by: rockbroker | August 4, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Nylander better show up in shape and ready to give 110%...

If he wants to just sit on the bench all year and collect money...thats unreal...something is wrong with the CBA that we are stuck with this, with no options.

Posted by: SA-Town | August 4, 2009 9:36 AM | Report abuse

@ Jonabonito said:

I think Tarik mentioned a while ago that Nyls is not particularly close with any of the team members, that he mostly keeps to himself.

Haha, as if Tarik would know....in any case, it is not a true statement...

Posted by: atybat | August 4, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

Unless you know Bruce Boudreau personally, how can you debate whether or not this is something he would say?

Regardless of whether he said it, it is true so this should not be a controversy.

Posted by: LesGrossman | August 4, 2009 10:12 AM | Report abuse

@LesGrossman
It is something BB would say, yes. I disagree with your simplistic: "Regardless of whether he said it, it is true so this should not be a controversy." I would agree more with a comment about Nyls not being a fit with the current system/tactics...

Posted by: atybat | August 4, 2009 10:20 AM | Report abuse

I haven't read all of the suggestions yet. In my world we would not deal Semin, Poti, or Neuvy. Those 3 seem to be mentioned a lot.
Semin is a dynamic player that hasn't reached his prime and truly loves playing the game here in Washington with OV.

Poti, like him or not, is very patient when it comes to getting the puck out of our zone. He's worth his salary just on the PK.

Neuvy, not yet. First we don't know for sure if Varly or Neuvy is the goalie of the future. Flashes or Jim Carey/Olie Kolzig come to mind. I've said it before on the board, but what if the Caps would have been sold on Carey early and they dealt Kolzig? The Caps would have been in trouble. In my opinion it is WAAAAAY too early for us to deal Neuvy. His true value is not known yet. If we were to deal him now it would be part of a package deal. If Varly proves to be the man and we move Neuvy simply because we don't need two #1 goaltenders, we get a hell of a lot more for him. If Neuvy is the man in 2 years we will all be glad we kept him.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 4, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

I don't understand why we'd want to take our chances with Heatley if we run the risk again of getting a guy who looks great with another team and then the minute you stick him in our system, he'll look like your grandma on skates after back surgery. Sorry, Semin stays. Heatley can stay where he's at.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | August 4, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Heatley's a scumbag anyway.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | August 4, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Bah. This team didn't let Kolzig become a distraction, and they didn't let Nylander become a distraction in the playoffs. Sure, neither was speaking to the press then, but I imagine if Nylander is still sitting in the pressbox, this won't become much of a distraction. The team can suspend him themselves if he continues to blabber.

Posted by: GoCaps08 | August 4, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Nyls and the Caps clearly want a divorce, but his contract makes it very difficult. The Caps would love to assign him to a team in the KHL but the 'no move' clause in Nylander's contract makes that difficult at best (and Nylander wants to stay in the NHL). If nothing is resolved before training camp, the Caps could end up in a situation where they have a permanent healthy scratch on their roster.

Obviously, Nylander has asked to be traded but realizes his contract makes him very undesirable. Blame GMGM for signing a 35-yr. old center who relied on his speed and skating ability to a 4-yr. deal. NO other team would have given him a contract of that amount when he was free agent. Let's hope that GMGM can come up with some type of solution before we have a potential chemistry problem in the lockerroom.

Posted by: wizfan89 | August 4, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

I would have bought out that contract, taken the salary hit, and tried to bring in a veteran D with the added room.

Posted by: Stu_c | August 5, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Caps Give
F Nylander
Joe Finley
_____________________________________________

St Louis
7th round pick
_____________________________________________
Carolina: Larose
caps:Fehr 3 way deal thoughts?

Posted by: mhoppmann | August 6, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Assuming the Caps would do it, is there any team that would take him (and his salary) for essentially a bucket of pucks?

I actually think Nylander is talented, but for whatever reason, this relationship needs to end before it becomes toxic. Too bad, really. I thnk he could take Fedorov's spot on the depth chart if he's healthy.

I'm just not sure what the solution is. If GMGM has to dump Nylander AND a prospect for nothing, then he's going to look pretty stupid.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | August 7, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Looks like things aren't getting any easier for Nylander. Recent reports suggest he might have hurt his back. http://twitter.com/MikaelNilander

Posted by: ParticipatoryDemocracyNow | August 7, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

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