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Boudreau on Galiev: 'You can see how skilled he is'

In addition to some on-ice testing, the Capitals rookie camp participants took part in another lengthy workout this morning as they were on the ice for the better part of two and a half hours. Here's some of what Coach Bruce Boudreau had to say after the second session:

* Boudreau likes what he's seeing so far from 2010 third round draft pick Stanislav Galiev as the team experiments with the 18-year-old at center, perhaps in an effort to increase overall depth at that position.

"You can see how skilled he is. He's sort of learning an all brand new position because we're trying him at center rather than the wing. When he's ready to turn pro I think he's going to be pretty good," Boudreau said.

"I don't know what the total thinking behind George [McPhee] was when he asked me to do this, but you can't have enough good centermen. It's such a hard position. If you look around the league and the teams have got established three centers that are really NHL quality are not a lot. So if you can develop some skilled players that can play center, you have a lot of assets on your team."

* On who's impressed him or stood out so far: "I really like the effort that a Trevor Bruess puts in. He works so hard all the time and he's such a powerful skater, you hope that something good comes from it. I still like the Johanssons and the Cody Eakins. I sort of like Joe Finley, on that two-on-one he got it in front of the net and he just roofed it. I don't know why I like him, but those are guys who just stand out in my mind."

* Boudreau was happy to see most of the rookies in good shape, as they endured the first two days of hard skates without sustaining any injuries.

"It seems they all paid attention to [Capitals' strength and conditioning coach] Mark Nemish's book and got in good shape. Now we want to see mentally what kind of conditioning they are in. We throw some tough stuff at them and we want them to get it, and see who gets it right away. Hopefully it will show in Thursday's game against Philly."

Some odds and ends

-- Boyd Gordon was back on the ice and participated in the entire informal workout after leaving Friday's session early. He said he feels fine.

-- I am remiss for linking to the latest project from intrepid radio producers Gemma Hooley and Chris Nelson, "Hockey Diaries: The Almost Season" yet. If you haven't already, head to their website, mediachameleon.org, and give the documentary featuring Mike Knuble and Tyler Sloan a listen. It's a great look inside last year's Capitals season.

-- In case you missed it, Alex Ovechkin is in another Capital One commercial along with Donovan McNabb. The ad aired Sunday night during the Redskins-Cowboys game and Dan Steinberg has the video over at the D.C. Sports Bog.

By Katie Carrera  |  September 13, 2010; 4:01 PM ET
 
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@SAOTI I will see if the friend I know is at hockey tonight and I will ask him. Since right now other then playing pickup I am not doing much my plan was to get there at 10 to watch the vets skate in the morning then just eat somewhere at the mall before watching the game.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 13, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

"i sort of like Joe Finley?"
"I don't know why I like him?"

lol what the ?

Why is he even talking about Finley "roofing it"? Was he talking about Finley on the offense or Finley breaking up a 2 on 1 on D and causing a player to shoot it over the net? All Bruce needs to focus on is teaching Finley how to improve his D. I hope he's not looking for any offense from the kid.

Also odd that he doesn't know McPhee's reasoning behind making him try Galiev at center. Bruce shouldn't have to assume anything. Weird wacky stuff goin on.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

But look at the logjam of top-6 type players in the system: Johannson, Kuznetsov, Krygushev, Galiev; the smaller fast ones: Perrault, Eakins; the fragile but able: Gustaffson. The Caps will have to move or cut people loose within the year.
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@ice
Any 2nd line center we get via trade won't be here in 2 yrs for exactly the reason you mentioned - a glut of (quality??) prospects in the system. But the players you mentioned are anywhere from 2 to 3 yrs away (assuming they even make it). Which means at least 3 spots will have to be clear assuming the future mainstays are Ovy, Backs, and Fehr.

So if our 1st line is the 3 players above, our 2nd line may be a combination of Kuznetsov or MaJo centering Kugryshev and Galiev (doesn't sound too balanced to me). Or MaJo drops to the 3rd line and Kuznetsov and Galiev duel it out for the 2nd line C position. Either way it looks like at least one of them may not make it unless the Caps opt to simply eliminate any type of power fwd grinding that a Fehr/Knuble/Laich provides and just give those spots to the more skilled finesse players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1, do you think that McPhee wants to see what he has in the way of center material before he makes a deal for Belanger?

Posted by: phillyreader | September 13, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

that's a thought.

But considering we need a center NOW it wouldn't make much sense in expecting Galiev to learn a new position and step in this coming season. Either way, you'd think our GM may have told our coach what was up, haha!

btw my last comment was at redlityogi, not ice, sorry.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton01, icehammer

agreed that they are at least 1 year away with Galiev, Gus probably more like 2 years away. And also agreed that "Kuznetsov or MaJo centering Kugryshev and Galiev" is not a balanced line, so that's unlikely. The more likely prospects to make a difference soon seem to be Perrault and Maca now, with Krygushev and Eakins being likely to be contributing next year. I don't hear that Krygushev is a strong skater, though. If Flash can have a very strong year, he becomes a hot commodity to trade and that helps because they may have to trade him no matter what he does...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | September 13, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

i'd like to see our rookies play the philly rookies in a 7 game series. That would really separate the men from the boys, the warriors from the floaters. And give the euro skill kids a decent idea of the compete level in pro hockey. Some of the prospects who've gone thru some junior league playoff series have a taste of this already but besides being entertaining from a fan's viewpoint, I think it would go a long way towards their development. 5 game series minimum, 7 gamer preferred.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Both Flash and Semin will be gone by the time the latest crop makes it to the nhl. Hopefully those 2 get dealt for quality defense. One that also allows us to deal away Schultz who looks way better on paper than he does on ice.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton I do wish that the Caps would play in one of the rookie tournys going on right now or have more then just one game. 7 is a little much but 4-5 would be great for them and with most of the tournaments having around that many games it would be great to get into one or start one ourselves. Either with all of the games at Ketler or have some at a place like Ashburn that has rinks with plenty of seating. They could even play some of the games at Verizon if they wanted. The team wants to help grow hockey in the area. Events like this or the rookie tournaments that are free are good ways to do it for those who cannot afford to go to many games if any and have them see hockey live in person which is a much better experience then just watching it on TV.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 13, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

"And give the euro skill kids a decent idea of the compete level in pro hockey."

I didn't know European kids playing in professional mens leagues like the SEL and KHL didn't have as high of a compete level as playing a bunch of 17 and 18 year old Canadiens in juniors.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 13, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

I didn't know European kids playing in professional mens leagues like the SEL and KHL didn't have as high of a compete level as playing a bunch of 17 and 18 year old Canadiens in juniors.

Posted by: sgm3

so educate me again about how north american playoff hockey is you know, so damn similar to the SEL and KHL. Style of play and rink sizes don't factor in right?

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Finley is like 4-5 years older than everyone else on the ice.

He SHOULD stand out.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 13, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

typical sgm response to follow in 3, 2, 1..

"All I said was that the compete level was the same. I wasn't talking about NHL playoff hockey"

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton I do wish that the Caps would play in one of the rookie tournys going on right now or have more then just one game
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Someone should look into why the Caps don't participate. Are they afraid of exposing their kids to an intense tournament atmosphere?

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

"Style of play and rink sizes don't factor in right?"

No, that does not factor in to compete level.

Adjusting to rink size is important for being able to play better in the NHL.

But as for compete level, I think an 18 year old kid would likely learn more going against Peter Forsberg (SEL) or Jagr (KHL) than a 17 year old kid who won't get drafted.

In addition, just for your rantings abour grit and strength, Forsberg, Jagr and all the other men in those leagues will also likely have much more strength than that 17-year old.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 13, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

Boudreau: "You can't have enough good centermen". Then why do the Caps have only one established Top-9 center?

Posted by: Hatfield223 | September 13, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

you're absolute dope sgm. If playing in the SEL and KHL were akin to playing in the NHL, then there would be little to no argument that could be made to convince those kids to come to north america and play in the junior or minor leagues. And if you don't think its a huge transition to go to a smaller rink size and deal with more contact you should go back to your coloring books. Players used to having more room to be creative have to make a significant adjustment playing on a smaller rink which also includes a much more increased emphasis on physical play against players who are traditionally much stronger than they are in the euro elite leagues. It DOES affect their ability to compete. You think KHL playoff hockey is the same as NHL playoff hockey? lmao

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Boudreau: "You can't have enough good centermen". Then why do the Caps have only one established Top-9 center?

Posted by: Hatfield223

err...next question! and get this guy outta here. He wasn't on the list.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

uh oh, i feel a beeyaatch slap comin on..

--Gustafsson has informed Capitals officials that he wants to opt out of his contract in Sweden and to play here next season, even though he knows that likely means beginning his NHL career with the minor league Hershey Bears.

"I'm going to stay," said Gustafsson, who notched six goals and four assists in 25 games with Bofors IK of Sweden's second division last season. "I want to learn [how] to play here and how everything around here works. It's pretty different compared to Sweden."

hmm...now why would he say that ? ?

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton. I think (sgm can correct me if wrong) he was talking about the difference between the "Euros" who mostly play in adult leagues compete level vs the guys who are coming from the WHL, CHL, ect. Since this was talking about playing other rookies they would not be playing NHL players and I think the talent level is much higher in the KHL, ect then the junior league plus the "Euro skill players" as you put them are going up against players much older then they are so they are getting experience that is more like what they would get in the NHL (being one of the younger players) then if they were in a junior league where they would be one of the older players.

As for little Gus and playing in the AHL he clearly sees that he is not in line for a top 2 center position in DC. So he wants to come here and no be a top line player and possibly change his game a bit to become more of the 3rd-4th line player that he will likly be in the NHL next season.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 13, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 is referring to this article:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/17/AR2009071703152.html

As a side note, let's not exaggerate here. The Caps only have one established Top-3 center. At least the one they have is one of the best 3 or 4 in the league. They have 2 other established centers (Steckel & Gordon) who would crack the lineup of about half of the other NHL teams, albeit as 3rd or 4th line centers. As for the people who knock on Steckel, his style of play may not be what the doctor ordered, but he was one of the best face off specialists in the league last year. He would make most of the teams in the league for that stat alone. Steckel is definitely a situational 4th line guy, but he's an "established Top-9 center" easily.

As it stands right now, I'd like the Caps to have at least a legitimate second line center and preferably a third line one too. Starting the season with Steckel, Gordon, Flash, Laich, and a bunch of guys moving up from Hershey as options at center in 3 positions doesn't appeal to me (especially because two of those players shouldn't be at center).

McPhee sees it differently apparently. I'll do a 180 in optimism only if some of our Bears/Swedes pull what I currently believe to be a miracle and turn into NHL centers before October. I'd be much more comfortable with an established center for Semin though.

Posted by: Raber | September 13, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

So GMGM told BB to move Galiev to center but didn't explain why. That could mean (1)some other team is interested in acquiring Galiev, but only if he can play some center, or (2) some other team wants to acquire the rights to some other young Caps center prospect, and GMGM wants to see if Galiev can fill the void that would be created.

If the Caps are moving someone, I hope its not Kuznetsov. That kid has star potential IMO.

Posted by: zmega | September 13, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

No idea if anyone has already posted this, but here's Kuznetsov's goal for Traktor in Sat's game:

http://www.youtube.com/user/videoKHL#p/u/6/KjhBAVhUZBU

Posted by: ranndino | September 13, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Devils fined 3 million and two draft picks
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nhl/news/story?id=5569258

Posted by: sleepy3 | September 13, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

"@cstanton. I think (sgm can correct me if wrong) he was talking about the difference between the "Euros" who mostly play in adult leagues compete level vs the guys who are coming from the WHL, CHL, ect. Since this was talking about playing other rookies they would not be playing NHL players and I think the talent level is much higher in the KHL, ect then the junior league plus the "Euro skill players" as you put them are going up against players much older then they are so they are getting experience that is more like what they would get in the NHL (being one of the younger players) then if they were in a junior league where they would be one of the older players."

@icehammer97

That's exactly what I meant. Well put.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 13, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

still doesn't change the fact that sgm is a dope and thinks that the style of play in the KHL adequately compares to the smaller ice rinks and completely different style of play in north american hockey. To pretend its not a transition is just stupid. One of the reasons many of the Euros opt to play in north american leagues is to ease that transition. Oskar Osala could've stayed and played in a euro league but he wanted the experience of a smaller rink and north american hockey and that's why he chose to play in the WHL. And dozens of others have followed similar paths. Ideally, you want your Euro prospects to get at least a year in the AHL at worst. Sometimes teams get pressured to rush their top end Euros and they don't get a chance to do this or they simply don't want to and have to adjust to north american hockey on the fly.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

OO played in the ohl, not the W, but same difference

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

OO played in the ohl, not the W, but same difference

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 13, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

"still doesn't change the fact that sgm is a dope and thinks that the style of play in the KHL adequately compares to the smaller ice rinks and completely different style of play in north american hockey. To pretend its not a transition is just stupid."

I never said any of that. Everything I said is up there. Examine it as much as you like. All I said is what icehammer97 pointed out. You were wrong. So you start spewing random topics that were not spoken of and start saying I said things I never said.

Gosh, it sounds quite similar to what you do to every statement that any Capitals coach or managment person ever makes.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 13, 2010 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Here's my take on the "penalty" imposed on the Devils:

1) Will the $3M count as a team expense? Who cares, you ask? Ha! If so, and if the players end up with 54% or thereabouts of the revenue, and the fine counts then as negative revenue, the players pool in fact will be reduced by $1.62M (which goes back in effect to the other 29 teams).

2) By what rhyme or reason does the league determine $3M and a 1st and 3rd pick? There is none. The correct fine would not have been any money at all but whatever is the compensation if you sign a RFA to that kind of deal.

Over $6,026,867 to $7,533,584 Two first-round choices, one second- and one third-round choice.

This reminds me of the greatest, most fair penalty ever imposed in team sports: Blues sign Shanny to $1M/yr deal the year after they had signed Scott Stevens. Because they didn't have the 5 #1s to cough up, they had to give Stevens to NJ. Tell me the Devils didn't win that one.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 13, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Tom NJ won on that day but they only won because St.Louis was so stupid. They knew full well they couldn't pay the draft picks and they also knew that they didn't have any players that were worth 5 first round picks other then Stevens.

cstanton1 there are still a lot more players that stay overseas instead of playing in juniors. There may be a few that don't but that number is very small and most players in interviews say it is more to get used to the North American culture then to change their game.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 14, 2010 12:25 AM | Report abuse

@zmega I had not thought of that option. You would think if that was the case GMGM still would have told BB about it. I find it hard to believe that a GM would make a move or think about making a move without talking to their coach about it.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 14, 2010 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Not getting on the cstanton1 bandwagon but the CHL (OHL, QMJHL, WHL) was a sore spot with representatives from overseas during the world hockey summit because they claimed their minor league systems were getting depleted of quality players because the CHL. Now, do I believe it is absolutely critical that a European born player acclimate to North American hockey in the CHL? Not necessarily. Two of the best NHL players in the game today, Ovi and Backstrom, went straight from the KHL and SEL respectively and did just fine. Backstrom started out the first part of his rookie year slow but Hanlon had him playing wing. When BB took over he put him at his natural center position. Backstrom is getting stronger on the puck every season. I may be wrong but IMO that is more due to the fact that he is getting stronger as he matures rather than acclimating to the NHL.

http://www.worldhockeysummit.com/index.php/ci_id/140436/la_id/1.htm

http://www.worldhockeysummit.com/index.php/ci_id/140389/la_id/1.htm

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 14, 2010 2:10 AM | Report abuse

Just want to point out that this all originated when cstanton said that euros needed to come over here to learn about a compete level.

All I said was that the compete level (talent of competition, effort given and physicality) was higher in the KHL and SEL than the Canadian Juniors because the kids were playing against higher talented men (Forsberg and Jagr to name a few) in their 20's and 30's who play hockey for a living. Not 17 year old kids, most of whom will not make it to that high of a league.

Are there benefits for younger players to come over for a year or two to get acclimated? Yes.

As others have said, rink size and culture acclimation are big. With getting acclimated to the culture and language probably the biggest. Then there are the benefits of being closer to the organization that owns your rights. There may be more contact with coaches, scouts, trainers from the organization if a player is in NA than in europe.

But to say that the "compete level" of Canadian Juniors is higher than the KHL or SEL is wrong.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 14, 2010 7:49 AM | Report abuse

Fined imposed, now it's time to stop dragging your feet NJ. Trade us Zajac already, Flush wants to start practicing with Kovy asap. Hmm a Flush and Kovy line...man I feel bad for the D and Brodeur.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 14, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the greatest, most fair penalty ever imposed in team sports: Blues sign Shanny to $1M/yr deal the year after they had signed Scott Stevens. Because they didn't have the 5 #1s to cough up, they had to give Stevens to NJ. Tell me the Devils didn't win that one.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 13, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

sigh...just reminds me of why the blues ended up with stevens in the first place..

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 14, 2010 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Sept 14. Season starts in a little over 3 weeks. The Caps have done nothing to improve their roster.

Way to go McPhee!

Posted by: underpants2 | September 14, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

scene from "Wedding Crashers" with cstanton...Jeremy Gray-"hey John that's weird that glass looks half full to me"..John Beckwith-"wow, now that you mention it, it is half full"...cstanton-"it still looks half empty to me"...

Posted by: boomer44 | September 14, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

But to say that the "compete level" of Canadian Juniors is higher than the KHL or SEL is wrong.
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no, you're wrong. Maybe you don't understand what the term 'compete level' refers to. At least with relation to this debate. Or you're being intentionally obtuse as usual. The point I originally made was its important for European players to get acclimated to north american hockey. So in relation to that specific point, you are wrong in stating that the compete levels are similar. If they were similar, you wouldn't need to get acclimated to north american hockey to ease the transition. GEt it !!?!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Are there benefits for younger players to come over for a year or two to get acclimated? Yes.

As others have said, rink size and culture acclimation are big
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others?? I SAID THAT. Thx to Fanock for chiming in as well. But you pretty much echoed my parody of you.

typical sgm response to follow in 3, 2, 1..

"All I said was that the compete level was the same. I wasn't talking about NHL playoff hockey"

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Souray now officially on the block. Caps on the clock?

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=333711

"We've been trying to move the player for some time obviously," Tambellini explained to reporters at the Young Stars Tournament in Penticton, B.C. "Sheldon has expressed strong interest over a long period of time that it's best for him to move and we're going to try and help him with that. I couldn't get that done prior to this camp.

The controversy stems from the 34-year old's decision to go public with his criticism of the team back in April, stating that he felt as though he had been mistreated by the organization by being forced to play before he had completely recovered from a shoulder injury. He also demanded a trade.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

This reminds me of the greatest, most fair penalty ever imposed in team sports: Blues sign Shanny to $1M/yr deal the year after they had signed Scott Stevens. Because they didn't have the 5 #1s to cough up, they had to give Stevens to NJ. Tell me the Devils didn't win that one.

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the Blues GM at the time Ron Caron was the biggest Scott Stevens fan. Once the Blues were playing the Caps in Landover and Caron came on with Al Koken on the between the period thingy on HTS, and all he did was gush about how great Stevens was. That was like 2 or 3 yrs before he made a move to go get him. I remember being in Toronto at the time the Blues made the offer and the Caps had a specific # of days to match the offer and this was back before the internet. So the only source of info you had was to call the George Michael Sports machine # 362-4444 to get up-to-date info on if the CAps had matched. I called that # 10x a day every day from Toronto and they never did match it of course. Beginning of the end for that version of the team.

And of course once Stevens got "awarded" to the Devils, he was ticked off and refused to report. For whatever reason he relented and the rest is history.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 10:41 AM | Report abuse

"others?? I SAID THAT."

I could have sworn that others had mentioned rink size and culture acclimation, but I guess you could have been the only one that ever mentioned exactly that way.

cstanton1, it appears that you and SGM3 are interpreting "compete level" diffently. In your mind, all must agree with you or be ignorant, so define "compete level" for the rest of us so we know what to think.

Posted by: _Mark | September 14, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

I would take Souray, but only if they take Poti and Chimera. Or, on re-entry.

They will try and trade him. If they cannot, they will have to put him on re-entry.

Posted by: underpants2 | September 14, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

Couldn't they trade him and stipulate in the trade that they will pay x amount of the salary? To avoid having to put him through re-entry waivers and letting any team snag him and get nothing in return?

I'd take him, @ $2.5 ish, but not $4.5.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 14, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

"others?? I SAID THAT."

I could have sworn that others had mentioned rink size and culture acclimation, but I guess you could have been the only one that ever mentioned exactly that way.
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in this specific thread, that was what I said to clarify my original point. Which was that it would be beneficial to our european league prospects to spend time here and get acclimated to the n american compete level of hockey. To pretend that style of play and rink size doesn't affect that compete level is stupid. And no i don't need to define it because its pretty obvious. When one says compete levels are comparable in different leagues, it implies there is no adjustment necessary to transition from one to the other. Do you agree with that Mike?

And I do reserve a special vitriol for sgm so I don't try and subject everyone to that if i can help it. There's only a certain amount I can dispense every day and sgm deserves his share.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

No they cant do that. Havent been able to since the new CBA has been in place.

Posted by: ThePat | September 14, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

@ Sept 14. Season starts in a little over 3 weeks. The Caps have done nothing to improve their roster.

Way to go McPhee!

Posted by: underpants2 | September 14, 2010 10:00 AM

It is not the roster you start the season with that counts, its the roster you finish with. I may be the only one that does not mind "Starting" the season with pratically the same roster that won the presidents trophy. We had more pointts then the entire league, so the roster must not be to awefull bad. We need minor tweaking that can be done before the play-offs start.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | September 14, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I would take Souray, but only if they take Poti and Chimera. Or, on re-entry.

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lol, i'd love to see that. Esp since Poti and Chimera originally played for the Oil and left as persona non grata

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

So the only way to get him cheaper is via re-entry waivers or pull some shenanigans with one of the first to choose teams (Leaf, etc)?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 14, 2010 11:09 AM | Report abuse

No, there's no such thing in hockey as pay salary as part of a trade. You take the player and full salary or you don't.

If they put him on re-entry (they will, since they aren't cap constrained, and paying him half for Edm is better than paying all if he's in minors) the first choice is the worst team from last year...Edm. Next choice on re-entry should be Toronto.

So, I have already posted that Burke will line up a deal with caps to select Souray on re-entry and then deal him to DC (or, whichever team pays Burke the most). Souray is owed $9M over the next two years. Edm will pay half and the new team will pay half. Cap hit for the two years (Souray's deal was front-loaded) will be $2.7M each under re-entry waivers. We can trade Burke Flash and Erskine and then Toronto can package Flash for a #2 pick. I think Ersk will fit in Toronto but not Flash, but Flash will get them a pick.

Edm rids themselves half the salary; Burke gets assets to serve as conduit; Caps get a decent player at a fair wage.

This is what the ice chips have told me.

signed,
nostrathomas

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 14, 2010 11:13 AM | Report abuse

What happened to sgm and cstanton ignoring each other?

So anyway, SAOTI I think the CBA won't allow that to happen. Kind of a double edged sword: waive him and he goes unclaimed and pay full salary with no cap hit, or lose him to recall waivers and pay 1/2 his salary with 1/2 the cap hit. What kind of cap room do the Oil have?

Posted by: Steve_R | September 14, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Looks like NJ is definitely in Salary Cap Hell (about six blocks away from Robot Hell) now...perhaps even more so than Chicago because the Blackhawks at least managed to get themselves a Cup before being forced to blow up their team for economic reasons...

LMAO...

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 14, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

sgm3 is comparing north american junior leagues and the SEL or KHL. cstanton1 is comparing the NHL or NHL playoffs to the SEL or KHL. Huge difference there. I guess I disagree with the way that you use "compete level". I see a player's "compete level" as an individual characteristic and not always necessarily affected by rink size or style of play.

Posted by: _Mark | September 14, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

What happened to sgm and cstanton ignoring each other?
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ftr, he did question my statement so i had to respond.

@tom - that's a well-thought out scenario, my head is still spinning. But I don't think Toronto takes Erskine. They don't need him. They're already 8 deep on the blueline and they have better options than Erskine in their lineup to provide that element. If anything , it may be Flash who is a better fit. Even though Burke doesn't usually like one dimensional floaters like Flash, they may think they need a forward who can provide some offense to balance out some of the grit. And in a lineup like Toronto's, Flash will probably play grittier anyway.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

sgm3 is comparing north american junior leagues and the SEL or KHL. cstanton1 is comparing the NHL or NHL playoffs to the SEL or KHL. Huge difference there

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err no. This is what i originally said--
"i'd like to see our rookies play the philly rookies in a 7 game series. That would really separate the men from the boys, the warriors from the floaters. And give the euro skill kids a decent idea of the compete level in pro hockey."

Nothing about playing against NHL-level competition unless you consider rookies who are slated for the junior and minor leagues to be "nhl" calibre.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm tired of hearing about "skill". We know the Caps have highly skilled players. What they appear to lack is heart, grit and killer instinct. What about that Boudreau?

Posted by: poguesmahone | September 14, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

And Tor is in dire need of scoring.

Posted by: Steve_R | September 14, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

we need a clinton portis quotable type on the caps. This is just gold. Talking about that inez sainz reporter who got into a flap with jets players.

"And I mean, you put a woman and you give her a choice of 53 athletes, somebody got to be appealing to her. You know, somebody got to spark her interest, or she's gonna want somebody. I don't know what kind of woman won't, if you get to go and look at 53 men's packages. And you're just sitting here, saying 'Oh, none of this is attractive to me.' I know you're doing a job, but at the same time, the same way I'm gonna cut my eye if I see somebody worth talking to, I'm sure they do the same thing."

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

BTW, anyone know if Vancouver has signed/traded/waved BXə yet?...now there's an idea...Make his name look like it was written in Cyrillic lettrs...that way GMGM migh be tricked into acquiring him based on the assumption that he was another Russian...heheheh

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 14, 2010 11:35 AM | Report abuse

toronto is that one lineup where Flash's play could be one-dimensional and his linemates and teammates would make up for it. You could get away with putting him in and just mining him for all the points you can get out of him. And players do tend to play grittier on a Burke team. Selanne became a really good fit in Anaheim after fading a bit in his last yrs in SJ and Colorado. He was protected in that lineup and his linemates were able to create space for him to do his thing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 11:38 AM | Report abuse

the other thing is, i don't know how petty things can get with GMs in hockey, but i've heard that the Caps mgmt doesn't really get on with Brian Burke too well. There's no love there.

So, does that preclude any dealings with Burke? McPhee got to Vancouver in 1992, just as Burke was leaving. I may be wrong but I don't think McPhee has ever had any dealings with Burke on a professional level (including trades). Well actually maybe there was one. I think we traded Linden to Vanc while Burke was still around. That was 10 yrs ago

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

I guess the way the discussion devolved it turned in to an apples and oranges discussion of junior leagues, KHL/SEL, NHL and NHL playoffs.

Posted by: _Mark | September 14, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

toronto is that one lineup where Flash's play could be one-dimensional and his linemates and teammates would make up for it. You could get away with putting him in and just mining him for all the points you can get out of him. And players do tend to play grittier on a Burke team. Selanne became a really good fit in Anaheim after fading a bit in his last yrs in SJ and Colorado. He was protected in that lineup and his linemates were able to create space for him to do his thing.

Posted by: cstanton1


Please do not mention Flash in the same discussion/league as Selanne ever again!!

Posted by: PhilR | September 14, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

it always devolves when a certain 2 parties are involved. As sure as the sands thru an hourglass. But the original point still stands. Euro kids need to get over here and get acclimated to north american hockey to ease their transition to the nhl. That way when they get to the playoffs, they've already hopefully experienced playoff hockey at a junior or minor league level so its not a shock to their system. Even a kid like Backstrom who has adapted well without undergoing this indoctrination had a shell-shocked look on his face when we played the Flyers. He looks very different now, he's gained strength but he's also gained confidence and experience playing in hostile and trying environments. Going into Philly, getting run thru the boards, being heckled by fans, playing 7 gamers. You just don't get that kind of experience over there. While the KHL playoff structure may mirror some of the NHL playoffs, the degree of intensity and the battles on the ice is at a whole different level.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I agree with you on the need for them to get acclimated. A players "compete level" determines how long that transition takes.

Posted by: _Mark | September 14, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

"I see a player's "compete level" as an individual characteristic"

@_Mark

I was thinking the exact way you are.

"Euro kids need to get over here and get acclimated to north american hockey to ease their transition to the nhl. That way when they get to the playoffs, they've already hopefully experienced playoff hockey at a junior or minor league level so its not a shock to their system."

@cstatnon

Experiencing at a junior or a minor league level compared to the SEL or KHL is not an upgrade.

Yes, kids need to come to North America to get used to the rink size and get used to the North American culture. The intensity of junior hockey does not compare to the SEL or KHL.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 14, 2010 12:26 PM | Report abuse

Experiencing at a junior or a minor league level compared to the SEL or KHL is not an upgrade.

Yes, kids need to come to North America to get used to the rink size and get used to the North American culture. The intensity of junior hockey does not compare to the SEL or KHL.
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you ever watched minor league and junior league playoff action? The physicality is certainly at a higher level than are the Euro leagues. The battles in the trenches etc.

Maybe your definition of "intensity" needs clarification.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 14, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

"The physicality is certainly at a higher level than are the Euro leagues."

Yes, 17 and 18 year old kids, many of whom won't get drafted, have much more strength and ability than men in their 20's and 30's who are playing the game for a career. I'm sure it would be much more difficult for a defenseman to go up aganst that strong and physical 17 year old CHL forward than going agains Jaromir Jagr.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 14, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

we've reached round 10,000 - i'm sorry i predicted a bout that would go 45,000+ rounds

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 14, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

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