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Boudreau on Johansson: 'He sees the play real well'

A number of prospects impressed Coach Bruce Boudreau on the opening day of summer development camp. But one player - Marcus Johansson - stood head and shoulders above the others.

"It's my first look at him, and he carries himself like he's going to be a very good player," Boudreau said of the 2009 first round draft pick. "He's got the Nicklas Backstrom stride, almost. He's a better skater than Nick, but he's big in the back[side], so you can see where he can control the puck and will be hard to knock off the puck. You can see that he sees the play real well."

"But, again, it's one day," he added. "It's an awful lot easier to doing it with nobody in front of you than on Wednesday when guys are taking runs at you."

As I mentioned in a previous entry, Johnsson's first chance to really prove himself to Boudreau and GM George McPhee comes Wednesday when Group A and Group B scrimmage. There are also scrimmages on Thursday and Saturday.

"We're optimistic," Boudreau said when asked if Johansson has a good chance of making the opening night roster. "But at the same time we're not putting pressure on him to do that. We would like him to be able to crack the lineup obviously. But when he's playing with the men in September and October, he'll let us know by the way he plays if he's capable of playing in the NHL."

Johansson said he's looking forward to the challenge.

Some other notes and quotes from Boudreau's press conference:

*Boudreau said he expects big Joe Finley to play in Hershey this season. The 2005 first rounder suffered a ruptured artery in November while playing in the ECHL and, as a result, appeared in only 17 games.

It's a make-or-break year for the 23-year-old, who has one-year remaining on his entry level contract.

"That's up to Joe," Boudreau said when asked where the 6-foot-8, 245-pounder will play next season. "We'll see how he plays here, and how he plays in camp. Hershey's philosophy has been if you're good enough to play, you play, and if you're not, you don't. Joe looks like he's improved a great deal. I expect him to be in Hershey. But his play will dictate where he's going to be."

*Boudreau also said he's looking forward to getting an extended look at Anton Gustafsson, a 2008 first rounder who's career has been beset by injuries.

"It's nice to finally see him healthy," Boudreau said. "He played a lot better today than at this time last year."

*As I mentioned earlier, speedy center Cody Eakin, a 2009 third rounder, has made quite an impression on Boudreau.

"He's a month removed from playing in the Calder Cup, and I don't know if it's just natural, but he's in great shape," he said. "He was skating around like he hasn't been off the ice. He's going to be a good player."

*Boudreau also liked what he saw from Evgeny Kuznetsov, the team's first round pick last month.

"He looked like he was in great shape," Boudreau said. "It's not very often that you get an 18-year-old Russian coming here and you're telling him the drills and he explaining them other guys. His English, he was understanding it that well, he was explaining it to [Dmitry] Orlov, who doesn't understand English that well."

*But first rounders weren't the only players who turned Boudreau's head. He also took notice of local product Patrick Cullen, a forward who led Gonzaga High School to the MSHL championship in 2005 and currently plays for R.P.I.

"He showed me he knows how to play," Boudreau said of Cullen, a camp invitee. "Some of these guys, quite frankly, I don't know, I've never seen them play. So I'm seeing them for the first time, and I'm thinking I want to see this guy further because there's something there that I like."

*Boudreau on the Caps' quiet offseason: "It was expected. It was our plan. A lot of people were pretty negative about the way it ended and everything. But we did lead the league. So there's not a lot of holes. So we didn't want to go out and blow this whole thing up."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 12, 2010; 5:18 PM ET
 
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Seems to be a lot of offensive talent on the way!!!

Posted by: capfanforsure | July 12, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

here's a Q and A with Patrick Cullen

http://mckeenshockey.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=684341

"McKeen's: Describe the type of game you play. What are your strengths? Weaknesses?

Cullen: I play a pretty offensive game that involves my skating and heavy shot. I love to get as many shots as I can in a game from all over the ice. I think that my skating, shot, and hockey sense are my main strengths. I tend to usually read the play pretty well and pick off passes often. I think my weakness is my strength. I need to get stronger to battle more along the boards and corners. "

that's so unlike a McPhee'er too

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 12, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

"Every Player Has A Story
2010 Development Camp Roster"
http://capitals.nhl.com/club/page.htm?id=63327&navid=DL|WSH|home

it has a little bit of info on most of the guys at dev camp

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 12, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't know how many of you were able to go to development camp today, but Mackan is seriously good. Very composed and skated fluidly. He was strong on the puck and paced himself well. I am cautiously optimistic.

The two recent draftees Galiev and Kuznetsov looked very good too, tho' I noticed Galiev more perhaps because he and Mackan were both in the afternoon session and were often skating together. All three are fast. Skating speed was a huge difference among the players.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 12, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link Capt_Kirk--interesting background stuff.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 12, 2010 8:03 PM | Report abuse

"A lot of people were pretty negative about the way it ended and everything. But we did lead the league...." Some say this team needs a 2nd line center or a shutdown D man, but I say they first should get a clue.

Posted by: festus75 | July 12, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me what the set up is at Dev. Camp? I want to go and take a look but really don't want to see them running about? Do they scrimmage against eachother or is it only drills? Anyone?
Thanks

Posted by: TottenhamCaps | July 12, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

TottenhamCaps:
http://capitals.nhl.com/club/news.htm?id=534030

sched from above link:
Capitals Summer Development Camp On Ice Schedule
Sunday, July 11 Players arrive
Monday, July 12 Group A on ice at 9:45 a.m.; Group B on ice at 2:30 p.m.
Tuesday, July 13 Group B on ice at 9:30 a.m.; Group A on ice at 11:45 a.m.
Wednesday, July 14 Group A on ice at 9:45 a.m.; Group B on ice at 11:15 a.m.; scrimmage at 3:15 p.m.
Thursday, July 15 Scrimmage at 9 a.m.
Friday, July 16 Group A on ice at 9:30 a.m.; Group B on ice at 11:15 a.m.
Saturday, July 17 Scrimmage at 10 a.m.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 12, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Darn "negative people"! How dare you be mad at "the way the thing ended". "We lead the league". Forget losing in the 1st round to the 8th seeded team, when you have a 3 games to 1 lead, and saw them taking over the series, and made no serious tactical changes, except putting in Scott Walker for game 7. Sorry for the run on sentence, but I'm still not over it. I guess I'm supposed to be. Do these guys really not know they need to fill some holes?

Posted by: kcbrichmond | July 12, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

thanks Kirk

Posted by: TottenhamCaps | July 12, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know if there's going to be any comprehensive video from the A v B scrimmage? I'm really jonsing for some hockey... I need my fix.

Posted by: dwelkinor | July 12, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

um - bruce - nobody wants you to blow the whole thing up, but perhaps one or two additions to the team might help prevent an early exit this year.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | July 12, 2010 10:28 PM | Report abuse

"He's got the Nicklas Backstrom stride, almost. He's a better skater than Nick, but he's big in the back[side], so you can see where he can control the puck and will be hard to knock off the puck. You can see that he sees the play real well."

If I didn't know anything about Backstrom, then from reading this quote I would think that Johansson was the better player.

On a side note Johansson has a great American Accent when he speaks English. All he needs to do is expand his vocabulary a little more and people will have a hard time believing he's from Sweeden. Man, I wish I could speak a second langauge.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 12, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Pavel Datsyuk in "A Case of Dangleitis"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=moY0ZVPlGm0&feature=player_embedded

the :56 second mark is hilarious

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 12, 2010 11:11 PM | Report abuse

The word defense hasn't been used once since camp started. Not to point the obvious but sure, we can score 7 goals a game with all this offense, however, if the other team scores 8, we aren't going to win.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 13, 2010 9:32 AM | Report abuse

Lloyd, you know this how ...???

Posted by: zmega | July 13, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

Since Eakin cannot play in the AHL next year, if he continues to impress, I wonder if the Caps might keep him up on the Caps roster for the first few games. And even get him into 1 or 2 for a taste before sending him back to juniors. It may not be a bad idea.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

@capsfan - yeah but that ain't BB's call, he's just being loyal to the guy who gave him his shot so I can't fault him for that.

But you're not alone in thinking one or two additions - like say, the A-Train or Michalek - wouldn't have helped plug a hole.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

I will be very surprised if the Caps do not add a defenseman at some point. I'm just basing this off of the fact tat the Caps have Erskine and Sloan as options for the #6 D-man slot right now, and BB has shown little to no confidence in either of them. Hence, the calling up of Alzner for game 7 (who played very well) instead of playing Erskine or Sloan.

With BB's lack of confidence in both Erskine and Sloan I just have a very hard time believing they will go into the regular season with those guys being the #6 and #7 defensemen.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

I will be very surprised if the Caps do not add a defenseman at some point. I'm just basing this off of the fact tat the Caps have Erskine and Sloan as options for the #6 D-man slot right now, and BB has shown little to no confidence in either of them. Hence, the calling up of Alzner for game 7 (who played very well) instead of playing Erskine or Sloan.

With BB's lack of confidence in both Erskine and Sloan I just have a very hard time believing they will go into the regular season with those guys being the #6 and #7 defensemen.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

HAIL GONZAGA!!

Posted by: _stevo | July 13, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

IMO should have signed Juice at $1m...

Posted by: kkd76 | July 13, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Just a thought, even if Boudreau didn't mention any plans to find the 2nd line center or the defenseman we're supposed to be lacking, wouldn't it stand to reason that they actually are? Barring anyone really having any mental powers to discern what Boudreau, McPhee, or Leonsis are doing to address these concerns, no one really has the position to be making like they know better. But of course, some of you will. I imagine we won't hear of anything until after training camp.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 13, 2010 11:26 AM | Report abuse

Dmitri Orlov, "the russian bobby orr", will be the 6th D. Wishful thinking? yes. 3 d-men under the age of 21? scary, but why not.

Posted by: brian58 | July 13, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Brian,

Orlov is under contract in the KHL. The Caps would have to buy that out first.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 13, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Do these guys really not know they need to fill some holes?
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I'm guessing they have no clue. Which is why they keep clinging to how they finished in the reg season. They're deluuuuuusional.

The Sharks after their 1st round exit a yr ago wouldn't even discuss how well they did in the reg season. They immediately set about making changes. Signed some grit in guys like Scott Nichol, Ortmeyer and Malhotra upfront. Cut ties with Cheechoo, Grier, McLaren, brought in Heatley etc. Thats a lot of changes for a team that just won the President's Cup. And not once did they make excuses for or point to how successful a season they had. They looked at their loss to the Ducks as an abject failure. This yr, they moved TWO rounds forward in the playoffs losing to the eventual Cup Champs in the Conf finals. I'd consider that significant forward progress. And it has to do with their great GM Doug Wilson. He never rests on laurels and is always aggressively trying to improve the team. And the type of players he pursues via trade or the draft is very different from what McPhee goes after.

So McPhee. If you can't figure it out yourself, please imitate a better GM.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I have to remind myself repeatedly to be patient and let this team flesh out. The playoffs are a long way away.

With this team, everything leading up to that point, is like practice.

I just hope that they dont do anything REALLY stupid and totally jack this opportunity (time when we have tremendous talent at our disposal) up.

THEN I WILL HAVE TO JOIN CSTANTON AND THE BOYZ!!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 13, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

From a puck daddy article on Kuznetsov:

"[According to KHL rules, in order to buy out a contract, a player must pay his team 2/3 of the contract value. Despite what you may have heard, rookies in the KHL do not make a lot of money and that 2/3 is very manageable for an NHL team to buy out a player]."

so it sounds like it wouldn't be out of the question to do it, if any of the khl players at camp look like they can actually play.

im sure that orlov isn't an option this year. I'd rather have another incredibly young player with great potential than erskine/sloan.Best solution would be Willie Mitchell to a reasonable contract.

Posted by: brian58 | July 13, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

Just a thought, even if Boudreau didn't mention any plans to find the 2nd line center or the defenseman we're supposed to be lacking, wouldn't it stand to reason that they actually are?
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umm, No

How do you give the benefit of the doubt to a GM who consistently drops the ball on getting the right players via FA or trade (Knuble being the exception). When most other teams are wheeling and dealing, and actually showing interest in some of the better available players, dumpster diving McPhee is always looking for a bargain player who either sucks or he's looking for a bargain that no one in their right mind would expect to get. He doesn't want to give up what he considers is either too much money, or too much in a trade return. So the Caps continue to sit in the background while other teams surge ahead with their acquisitions. McPhee has no idea how to improve his team from the outside. And frankly, I don't even know if he had any interest in guys like Volchenkov. Every other team seems to have no issues signing players or making trades. It was utterly predictable that the Caps have done nothing since the start of FA, nothing at the draft. I guess qualifying guys like Boyd Gordon in an already crowded lineup made sense to someone up in that golden tower.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

The Sharks core was also significantly older than the Caps (Thornton, Boyle, Blake, Marleau, Nabokov) vs. (Ovie, Backstrom, Semin, Green, Varly). On top of that San Jose did not have prospects as highly as Carlson and Alnzer (while i know you don't like him he is still highly rated by all hockey media) ready to step in.

Different set of circumstances.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know what happened to Victor Dovgan, a russian defensive prospect from a few years ago? I believe he might have a played a season with the Stingrays?

Posted by: cort1000 | July 13, 2010 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Wait a minute. The Sharks can lose to the eventual Cup champions and it is acceptable? When Caps fans stated we lost to the eventual Cup champions in the 2009 playoffs we were told we were blind homers. The Sharks got friggin' swept and they progressed just because they got to the 3rd round? Thanks for the insightful. Hopefully the Caps will hire someone off of this board to be the GM. So many more people on here have the answers. Ask them, they'll tell you.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The Sharks core was also significantly older than the Caps (Thornton, Boyle, Blake, Marleau, Nabokov) vs. (Ovie, Backstrom, Semin, Green, Varly). On top of that San Jose did not have prospects as highly as Carlson and Alnzer (while i know you don't like him he is still highly rated by all hockey media) ready to step in.

Different set of circumstances.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

partly true. But Pavelski, Segotuchi, Clowe, DMurray, McGinn, Mitchell, Couture, and Petrecki all represent the younger core.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

It would have been an unbelievably stupid to not qualify the RFAs like Gordon. He is signed for $800k(I think).

So if the Caps want to cut ties with Gordon, and he has any value at all, they could deal him (I'm sure they could get at least a 7th round pick for him). If somehow no one wanted Gordon and the Caps wanted to cut ties with him then they could waive him and put him in the minors.

The Caps are not even close to passing the 10% over threshold on the salary cap(the only true ramifications for tendering offers to RFAs). I always find it amazing how some people on here criticize the team for tendering offers. Please weigh the positives and negatives of it before doing so. If the team didn't tender a player they lose him. If they tender they reain his rights and if they wanted to part ways they could trade that player. If no team wanted that player they could waive him and send him to the minors if he wasn't picked up. So that player would no longer be on the Caps roster. Wait, that is just the same as not tendering an offer.

But with tendering the team has more flexibility (on picking which players to keep), more negotiating leverage with UFAs (less needy teams are negotiating from a position of strength), and the possibility of acquiring something in return if the Caps wanted to trade said player (and that player was wanted by another team).

From a fan perspective, I'm still looking for the negative in this......

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

I have the answers, but I'm not telling. Not yet.

nostrathomas

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

The Sharks got friggin' swept and they progressed just because they got to the 3rd round? Thanks for the insightful. Hopefully the Caps will hire someone off of this board to be the GM. So many more people on here have the answers. Ask them, they'll tell you.
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lol, so does it make you feel better if i remove the comment "losing to the eventual cup champs" ? What's your argument now? The Sharks ended up with the best reg season record a yr ago and lost in the 1st round. They aggressively made offseason changes and advanced to the 3rd round. Unless you're an absolute moron Fanock, I'm guessing you would consider that to be a step or two forward in the right direction.

What did I say before the playoffs started? I said that I myself as the biggest critic on this board would consider the Caps season to be a success if we advanced to the 3rd round. That was my criteria for progress. Losing in the 1st round to what was a fading 8th seed and being up in the series - ABJECT FAILURE. So yes, it seems that a lot of folks here do seem a bit more clued in than our beloved management and coaching staff.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody know what happened to Victor Dovgan, a russian defensive prospect from a few years ago? I believe he might have a played a season with the Stingrays?
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who knows. I think he had a concussion or two. Then for whatever reason the Caps lost interest in him and he stayed in Russia. Part of it was he couldn't crack Hershey. He still looked a nice viable hardhitting defensive prospect who could actually skate well. A lot of the open ice hits he had were near the opponent's blueline.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

BTW George McPhee brought the 1997-98 Capitals to the Stanley Cup Finals and was VP and Director of Hockey operations for the 1993-94 Vancouver Canucks that made it to the Stanley Cup Finals. Doug Wilson has not made it to the Finals yet. The Finals between the Rangers and Canucks that year was an awesome series.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

@sgm

As long as this team isn't interested in bringing back Gordo, then I have no problem with it. But most if not all the players in the past that we've made qualifying offers to seem to end up with the big club come Sept.
And yes, I figured offering Gordo any money would tie up our hands a little more with regards to FA.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

The Finals between the Rangers and Canucks that year was an awesome series
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about the only thing you and i will ever agree on.

I'd put that series up against any other one I've ever watched. Two of the biggest toughest teams in the NHL slugging it out on every shift. Linden, Momesso, Graves, Beukeboom, Messier..just a plethora of brute force.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, getting to the 3rd round only to get swept is a failure. You wouldn't have given the Caps a pass if they would have gotten swept in the 3rd round this year. If you are going to respond that you would have I will call you a liar because NO MATTER what the Caps do on the ice or in the front office you have your fingers on the keyboard trashing the team. I am sure your fantasy hockey team does great every season but that doesn't mean you can run an NHL franchise.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Yes, getting to the 3rd round only to get swept is a failure. You wouldn't have given the Caps a pass if they would have gotten swept in the 3rd round this year.
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i was already on record you nudnik. When some others were stating that nothing less than a Cup appearance would satisfy them, I went on record numerous times stating my expectations would be satisfied if they advanced past the 2nd round. So yeah, I am callin you a liar.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:

What's a 'nudnik'? :-|

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

sgm3,

I believe if they waive a player and he is picked up by another team the Caps would be stuck with half the cap hit or in Boyd fricking Gordon's case 400k. That 800k should have been used to sign another piece and no one will convince me otherwise!

Posted by: PhilR | July 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW George McPhee brought the 1997-98 Capitals to the Stanley Cup Finals and was VP and Director of Hockey operations for the 1993-94 Vancouver Canucks
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luckily for the Canucks McPhee didn't have final say on how to construct that team or they'd have a hard time getting out of the 1st round also. Its very obvious that McPhee favors a certain type of player. And I doubt this was some massive revelation he had just a few yrs ago in the "new" nhl. He was probably champing at the bit to be top dog on a team and get his vision across. The Caps Finals team was built before he got there, he did add pieces like Tikannen but that defense was already in place. And guess what! 13 yrs later and the buzz around the Caps still focuses on their lack of acceptable defensemen. Almost every single rumor regarding the Caps has them needing a defenseman or two. 13 yrs...still a highly questionable defense.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I'm waiting to see what happens with the roster and Gordon in that aspect. At $800k he might be worth keeping as a 5th center/13th forward. I'm not in favor of him playing on the 4th line wing as he isn't very effective in that role and I would rather have a Hershey guy take that role.

Personally I would love for the '09 playoffs Steckel to show up this year(that would be my first choice), but if the choice is between the '10 playoffs Steckel and the '10 playoffs Gordon(who was very good on the pk in the playoffs), I would have to go with Gordon.

Unfortunately neither player has shown much consistency the past few years (Gordon facing back problems is an issue too) and I don't really think either is dependable for what the Caps may get out of them this year.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR:

what you said counts towards reentry waivers.

Any team claiming a playing on the way down, the first time, is responsible for the entire contract.

If that same player is claimed when the team recalls him back up, then the caps split the salary 50/50

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 13, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

It would have been an unbelievably stupid to not qualify the RFAs like Gordon. He is signed for $800k(I think).

So if the Caps want to cut ties with Gordon, and he has any value at all, they could deal him (I'm sure they could get at least a 7th round pick for him). If somehow no one wanted Gordon and the Caps wanted to cut ties with him then they could waive him and put him in the minors.

The Caps are not even close to passing the 10% over threshold on the salary cap(the only true ramifications for tendering offers to RFAs). I always find it amazing how some people on here criticize the team for tendering offers. Please weigh the positives and negatives of it before doing so. If the team didn't tender a player they lose him. If they tender they reain his rights and if they wanted to part ways they could trade that player. If no team wanted that player they could waive him and send him to the minors if he wasn't picked up. So that player would no longer be on the Caps roster. Wait, that is just the same as not tendering an offer.

But with tendering the team has more flexibility (on picking which players to keep), more negotiating leverage with UFAs (less needy teams are negotiating from a position of strength), and the possibility of acquiring something in return if the Caps wanted to trade said player (and that player was wanted by another team).

From a fan perspective, I'm still looking for the negative in this......

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 12:49 PM |


thats good stuff^^^

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 13, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

PhilR:
i believe a team is free and clear when a player is picked up off of waivers (sent down).
if you try and recall that player (re-entry waiver) and he gets picked up - you are on the hook for half of the salary.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 13, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Typical cstanton1 entry, plug in the date as you see fit:

blah blah blah the caps lack toughness blah blah blah GMGM doesn't know what he's doing blah blah blah the caps are soft blah blah blah the caps won't win with Bourdeau blah blah blah GM ______ is better than GMGM blah blah blah you caps apologists blah blah blah if you knew hockey blah blah blah moron blah blah blah nudnik blah blah blah...

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the info FrankM73....those rules always screw me up!

Posted by: PhilR | July 13, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Who did GMGM get the Caps to the finals with? If I recall correctly David Poile's players, not his. So for people to go back to that is stupid. GMGM's team hasnt gotten past the 2nd round in 13 years.

Posted by: ThePat | July 13, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Who did GMGM get the Caps to the finals with? If I recall correctly David Poile's players, not his. So for people to go back to that is stupid. GMGM's team hasnt gotten past the 2nd round in 13 years.

Posted by: ThePat | July 13, 2010 1:20 PM |

Don't bother. Typically when you call Fanock out he disappears or redirects. Because McPhee was involved in the Canucks org in 1993 when they went to the Finals and took over a team that someone else had built somehow that proves he's a great GM or something.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

Again, during the off-season a team can go 10% over the cap. So the Caps could have gone the $800k over by signing someone else and then traded or waived Gordon before the start of the regular season. The tendering and signing of Gordon has had put absolutely no salary cap restraints on the Caps that kept them from signing someone else.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:

What's a 'nudnik'? :-|

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 13, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

"An obtuse, boring, or bothersome person; a pest."
i.e. Fanock.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:
you just described half the posters on here (depending on who you are and how you view the other posters)...

additionally, you described Matt Cooke, Sidney Crosby, George McPhee, and Matthew Barnaby... among others...

one word, many uses, cstanton, the "original all encompassing poster"... drum roll please

;-) hehe

@PhilR:
no problem bud, happy to help...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 13, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: I'm only boring because I won't agree with you.

ThePat: GMGM brought in Ron Wilson, signed Adam Oates who was picked up via a trade by Poile at the end of 1997. Two deadline acquisitions who were important parts of the run were Esa Tikkanen and Brian Bellows. He also kept Zednik with the Caps when Poile and Schoenfeld kept sending him down to the minors. GMGM made some critical decisions from the start.

Got the Caps box set for Father's day and on the broadcast of the 1996 playoff game the announcer stated exactly what I remembered was the case back then. He stated the Caps play a physical style game, Caps hockey, which is try to hang with a much superior skilled opponent and steal the game at the end. Now, the Caps had a ton of injuries that playoff year, but that was the phrase used by Schoenfeld all the time, Caps hockey.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

If I recall correctly David Poile's players, not his. So for people to go back to that is stupid. GMGM's team hasnt gotten past the 2nd round in 13 years.
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and really, his teams have only made it TO the 2nd round ONCE since 1997. Doug Wilson's team (in a tougher div/conference) have advanced to the Conf Finals twice, and made it to the 2nd round THREE times. And that was since 2003 and skipping the strike year. And if you wanna talk about reg season wins, the Sharks have won 291 games since Wilson took over and McPhee's Caps have won 227 games over that same period.

Basically, the Sharks have won more playoff series, more playoff games, more regular season games than McPhee's Caps since Wilson took over as GM for SJ. And without the benefit of playing the weak SE div teams.
But according to Fanock, McPhee is still the better GM. Doh!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: So I guess there are two words of the day on your desk calendar. Nudnik and plethora, congratulations on expanding your vocabulary. You have a plethora of nudnik entries. Fanohock1 out.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about the regular season cstanton1. Remember? At least McPhee has had the pleasure of being on the staff that raised two (2) Conference Championship banners. The grass is greener GM of the day, Doug Wilson, has zero.

That's it now cstanton1, time-out for you.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: I'm only boring because I won't agree with you.
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no, you're a nudnik because you claim that even had the Caps advanced to the 3rd round this year that I would still call them abject failures despite the fact I put my expectations on record before the playoffs even started. My expectations of them were LOWER than most of the fans whose comments I've read. If that isn't irony I don't know what is.

Its an easy way for you to dismiss criticism by basically implying that nothing short of a Cups win every year would satisfy the "haters". And thats simply not true. Forward progress is what you want to see. And losing in the 1st round the way we did this year is not forward progress. What the Sharks have accomplished however IS forward progress. And they didn't sit around the off-season after their 1st round exit and cling to their reg season record as proof that they don't need to be aggressive and active. They made some good moves, and they advanced to the Conf Finals.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: Is this your "bad" day?

BTW, I've met fanohock, and he's a gentleman.

BTW, you and joek443 almost sound like the same person sometimes. Can you prove that you and he are in different locations at the current time?

No blog update today? Oh, Tarik was on vacation. But I thought someone else was stepping in? Meanwhile, camp started today at 9:30? Should be something to report. Last year some people, maybe jschon, were reporting from the stands as play happened.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Nobody cares about the regular season cstanton1. Remember? At least McPhee has had the pleasure of being on the staff that raised two (2) Conference Championship banners. The grass is greener GM of the day, Doug Wilson, has zero.
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i just threw that in there for you schmoes who attach everlasting importance to reg season games. Why did you ignore the playoff records????

Wilson has won more playoff games and series since he took over as GM compared to the same time period as McPhee.
Only a nudnik would dismiss that and cling to something McPhee did 13 yrs ago. Since then his teams have made it to the 2nd round ONCE. P A T H ET I C ain't it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

BTW, you and joek443 almost sound like the same person sometimes. Can you prove that you and he are in different locations at the current time?
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are you serious? One, I write a lot better than Joek. Two, I spent all season having wars with that guy. He only came around after he was proven wrong about what the Caps were capable of. Three, I'm pretty sure he and I have been on the opposite side of the Larry Murphy debate until perhaps recently.

Maybe you and FAnock are the same guy. Can you prove that to me please?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I've met fanohock, and he's a gentleman.
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well good, you can be the prez of his fan club then. His argument that McPhee is a better GM than Doug Wilson is based on very little tangible proof. He's basically pointing to two instances - one that occurred 17 yrs ago, and one that occurred 13 yrs ago. And both instances carry some big disclaimers that have already been outlined above.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

You know, it wouldn't completely bother me if the Caps didn't go out and get a #2C if:

1) They put MaJo into the role. He may not be fully capable now, but he's likely the best player available on totday's roster.

2) Trade Flash and put Fehr on the 2nd line.

3) Get a true 3rd line (checking) center either in return for Flash or with some of the money Flash would have been paid.

4) Use the more of the Flash savings + some of the $4M in space + the Erskine salary to upgrade the D.

5) Fill Fehr's spot as #3RW with a checking winger, either a Hershey guy if he's ready or someone from outside.

If all those things happened, it wouldn't bother me too much that the center depth chart goes from Backie to ??????.

OTOH, what if Backie ever got injured? What in God's name would we do?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

*yawn* Some people live to tell people they're wrong. They're usually stuck in their homes, pale, and unamusing in person. Single too. I feel sorry for those people. I really do. =/ That's a fate worse than a coma.

Nudnik spelled backwards spells kindun.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 13, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I've met fanohock, and he's a gentleman.
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well good, you can be the prez of his fan club then.

No, I'm just saying he's an all right person. If that means anything to you.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

what happened to Clutterbuck. 100% of anything that gets discussed here never happens anyway. We'll probably start next season with Flash and Gordo on the active roster and no one except diminunitve MP makes our team out of camp.

And yes, there's still a lot of time to do a lot of things as wtf pointed out. But based on past and recent history, its highly doubtful that
a - the right moves will be made
b- enough of the right moves will be made

and based on that, i will once again go on record as saying that next offseason we'll be back here debating yet another huge Caps disappointment with the only difference being a few more fans crossing over to the dark side and calling for McPhee/BB's head. If I'm wrong, at least I put it on record so I can't shy away from it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoast: And here I though nudnik was Richard Zednik's cousin.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

kinda funny stuff here today

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 13, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Just caught 2nd session at Kettler; total blast. Very impressed with Kuznetsov, he creates time and space for himself and linemates. Seemed to be having a lot of fun, despite the pace and punishing drills. Orlov, agile, great anticipation and very quick feet; plus he's built like a fireplug. Della Rovere, very strong in the corners and seems to come up with a lot of loose pucks. Patty Cullen - from this area - looked pretty good, got off some good shots in the controlled drills and made some nice plays; could be a dark horse after another year at college, although being centered by Kuznetsov may have helped. Gustaffsson was much more physical than I'd predicted he would be. On the negative side, completely fail to understand how a Finley goes in the 1st when so many gems don't go until later rounds; baffling.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoast: And here I though nudnik was Richard Zednik's cousin.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:17 PM

that however was terrible, sorry tom

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 13, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

The suggestion you just gave is what I was thinking when I mention the Caps sign John Madden (1 year contract for no more than $2M). That would give them ample room to acquire the needed defenseman also.

I wouldn't even worry about Backstrom missing 20 regular season games. I think either Laich could move to center or MP could play some center for that period of time.

If it happened in the playoffs, well, ah, we'd be in some serious trouble.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

cstanton: I invented the Clutterbuck thing. This wasn't anything that was an official rumor. Sure, I'd love to have him. There's things you'd love to have and things you'd accept, and what I put above was what I'd accept. I still put a new gritty #3RW on my list and Clutterbuck could be that guy.

BTW, based on cap space of $4M with a fully loaded roster (incl Flash signed), if we moved Flash, Erskine and MP we'd have $8.8M to plug back a #3 center and RW and a true upgrade on D. Then say Belanger, Laich and Clutts is a true and worthy #3 line. MaJo centers Semin and Fehr until the deadline. The balance then between snipers and bazookas has been adjusted.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Carcillo resigns with Flyers, 1 year, 1.075M.

Posted by: ThePat | July 13, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

No, I'm just saying he's an all right person. If that means anything to you.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

i actually assume that EVERYONE on here with the exception of LeftCoastCapsFan is an alrite person. And that's because everyone I've argued with (w/said exception) actually discusses hockey in a detail-oriented way. Even Capsyounggun and gonchpup who strike me as 2 very wide-eyed rose-colored blinders-wearing fans. But I still assume those 2 are "alrite" folks. Hockey arguments are mutually exclusive of someone's character. A couple of my friends are pretty nudnikky about hockey but I still like em.

But seriously, don't insult me and say I'm posting here as someone else. I don't need to build myself up in that way. I can be the lone miscreant on this board with no self-esteem issues.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see the Caps steal Sharp from the cap-challenged Hawks!

Posted by: Thisistheyear | July 13, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I kind of thought Madden got exposed some in the Finals, was he even hitting the 10-min mark in TOI? He's 37, maybe he's just lost a step but it's not like he was a burner to begin with. Now if the question is him or Gordo as 4C that's different, but I just think you could do better than him for that kind of money he's looking to corral.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Gustaffsson was much more physical than I'd predicted he would be. On the negative side, completely fail to understand how a Finley goes in the 1st when so many gems don't go until later rounds; baffling.
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i hope he makes it. He's one of our only center prospects in the system who has the potential to be a top 6 forward and combines physicality with talent. Backstrom is maturing into that slightly but AG already came equipped with that reputation. Just remains to be seen if he has the skill to pull it off and if he can stay healthy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Just caught 2nd session at Kettler; total blast. Very impressed with Kuznetsov, he creates time and space for himself and linemates. Seemed to be having a lot of fun, despite the pace and punishing drills. Orlov, agile, great anticipation and very quick feet; plus he's built like a fireplug. Della Rovere, very strong in the corners and seems to come up with a lot of loose pucks. Patty Cullen - from this area - looked pretty good, got off some good shots in the controlled drills and made some nice plays; could be a dark horse after another year at college, although being centered by Kuznetsov may have helped. Gustaffsson was much more physical than I'd predicted he would be. On the negative side, completely fail to understand how a Finley goes in the 1st when so many gems don't go until later rounds; baffling.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 2:21 PM


more good stuff^^^
thanks

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 13, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

If GMGM doesn't know what he's doing why was he was a finalist for the first GM award.

If you would stop listening to yourself for a while and listen to the experts on the NHL Network and NHL Home Ice every once in a while you might give GMGM some credit. Now, was I hoping we would land Volchenkov, Hamhuis, and/or Lombardi, of course I was, and I was a little disappointed that we didn't. However, now seeing how much the signings have slowed and that the Caps want to assess what they have from within, I can sit back and leave it to the experts.

The people in hockey circles also stated how ruthless and blatantly honest GMGM is with his assessment at the arbitration hearings. That might be why players like Schultz, Fehr, and Gordon went ahead and signed. When you see Schultz's +/- numbers, Fehr's goal production versus ice time, and Gordon's faceoff percentage, they are considered to be relative bargains. Flash's agent said something like 3.5 a year and it appears GMGM has not come close to that. Probably for the same reason many on this board have which is he was a no-show for the playoffs. Semin had a rough one, but he has produced in the post season before, Flash, not yet, which will probably drive his price down during the hearing. GMGM, BB, and everyone else like them eat, drink, and crap hockey, 24 hours a day. They also have a pulse on every team in the league, not just what is available on the internet. My wife knows me better than anyone and if she were asked if I am some passive Caps fan she would laugh. When the Caps lose I am in a bad mood, when they knocked out of the playoffs...well, let's just say May wasn't a good month at the house.

Anyhow, if Volchenkov was looking for a 6 year deal, wouldn't Caps fans rather be able to afford the raises that players like Varly/Neuvy (whoever surfaces as the #1), Carlson, and Alzner will deserve if they progress at the same rate rather than having 3 years left on an aging defenseman's contract?

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 13, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

agree w/Timbo. Every time I see Madden's name tossed about I cringe a bit. Picking him up on a stretch run into the playoffs to fill a specific need, perhaps. But he's got too much wear and tear on him and he's fading fast to simply sign him to a multi year deal. Every time we pick up a player for a few yrs we spend most of that time wearily waiting for that contract to drop off.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

On the negative side, completely fail to understand how a Finley goes in the 1st when so many gems don't go until later rounds; baffling.
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Call it the Chara effect. When teams see how good a big tall rangy nasty dman can be, they start looking for similar cheaper types in the draft they can develop. Someone else has to prove it to them first, then teams go looking (and reaching). Same thing will happen with a Bfyuglien type. Teams will look for a 250lb forward who can do what does. The Caps weren't the only team to go after a young d prospect who was over 6ft7. I think at least 8 players who fit that mold were drafted in the top 3 rounds over the past few yrs.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I read the link off of Jasper's Rink about Gustafsson and after reading that I have almost no hope of him making the NHL.

While it is possible, for a guy to be having severe back issues at such a young age likely spells doom to any professional sports career.

Unfortunately, medical treatments for back ailments are nowhere near where medical treatmens are for knee and shoulder injuries.

So while something could happen that makes him better, I am not holding out much hope.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Did not Fehr have similiar back issues to Baby Gus?? Thought I had heard they were almost the same and Fehr came out of his ok.

Posted by: PhilR | July 13, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@Timbo

Similiar to Finley:

Vlad Mihalik - 6ft7 - Tampa (2005 1st)
Gord Baldwin - 6ft6 - Cal (2005 3rd)
Simon Danis-Pepin - 6ft7 - Chi (2006 2nd)
Keith Aulie - 6ft6 - Cal (2007 4th)

and Wishart and Myers etc etc.

Some pan out, some don't. I'll be happy if Finley turns into a 50-60 game a year 4th line winger. We have absolutely no one on this team who can stand upto 3 or 4 guys on most of our Eastern conf rivals. Finley won't be a deterrent factor ever, he's not that intimidating. But he can at least jump into battle when needed and acquit himself ok.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

If GMGM doesn't know what he's doing why was he was a finalist for the first GM award.
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i dunno. Britney Spears sold a lot of albums and she can't sing worth a shi..

How can a GM NOT be up for an award when his team pulls down the best record in the league.

I put no stock into that.

The rest of your post was good tho.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Did not Fehr have similiar back issues to Baby Gus?? Thought I had heard they were almost the same and Fehr came out of his ok.
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I think Fehr had back/hip issues. I effed up my back for years doing construction work as a teenager. Docs wanted to operate, remove discs, do some fusing etc etc. I kept holding out for a more natural treatment and I finally hit on it. I found a book by Pete Egoscue that showed me how to fix my back. That was in 2001. I haven't had a single issue since then. And I had pretty severe back issues that would leave me immoblized for 2 weeks at a time. So if I can fix my back, anyone can. Without surgery. In most cases, its not a structural issue that leads to pain. Its a muscular imbalance that sets in and leads to misalignment. If you don't treat the misalignment (and I don't mean via chiropracty necessarily), then you're not treating the root causes. And when you have a muscular imbalance then the wrong muscles start to engage when you move a body part. The secondary muscles become the primary movers etc.

AG can be fine, IF he gets the right treatment. Conventional back treatments for the most part only treat the symptom, not the cause. There's a clinic in NY that has done amazing work and their philosophy is based on what Egoscue discovered in the 70s. But their treatment is different. They use injections to cause muscle release from a spasm state. Egoscue uses static exercises to accomplish the same thing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

While it is possible, for a guy to be having severe back issues at such a young age likely spells doom to any professional sports career.

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for yrs it didn't look like Brian Sutherby could ever put his groin injury issues behind him but he finally found a doctor on his own (outside the Caps org) that figured out how to treat him. AG may have to go the same route.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Just because one ailment is treatable does not mean a different ailment affecting the same part of the body is.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Here is the article on Gus:

http://www.csnwashington.com/07/12/10/Gustafsson-Hoping-For-Good-Health-Spot-I/landing_v3.html?blockID=270190&feedID=6458

cstanton1, you are oversimplifying back injuries. With some back injuries, you can get better better by doing exercises and watching what you do.

However, unlike most people who overcome back injuries, playing professional hockey involves a lot of stress on the back. Which can make it more difficult to avoid pain as the back is constantly being stressed on a daily basis.

But some of the back injuries can be overcome with correct exercises and other similar treatments. And it is certainly possible that Gus could overcome them. But it is troubling to see an athlete suffering so severely from back problems at such a young age and leaves me highly skeptical that he will be able to overcome it.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 13, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

Call it the Chara effect. When teams see how good a big tall rangy nasty dman can be, they start looking for similar cheaper types in the draft they can develop. Someone else has to prove it to them first, then teams go looking (and reaching).
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That's good stuff man, "the Chara effect," I like it. And I know there's still time and there's a lot of pressure on high picks to prove their worth; I just think that's what the later rounds are for, I like to see the 1sts go to potential game-breakers [on either side of the puck]. Then again, I was clearly dead-wrong about Chris Pronger, so maybe I'm wrong about Finley too.

RE: the back - count me among the lucky ones I guess, but I had back trouble for years [probably from being on the receiving, rather than the giving, end of too many hits] and surgery worked out really well. Dr. Kevin Kiwak, good guy and great neurosurgeon. I can do pretty much everything I used to. Except running, screw that noise.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see this move

Rights to Flash + 4th round pick To Chi for Sharp

Chi can let flash walk after arbitration and save all of Sharps 3.9 or resign and or trade him again

Caps only go 1.4 or so above budget space they had for flash and get true 2nd center upgrade to flash with a contract that fits in the plan.

A Win-Win

Posted by: t-bone67 | July 13, 2010 3:36 PM | Report abuse

fanohock: I'm on the fence with the Volchenkov deal. For sure he's worth $4.25M/yr. Would he have have come to the Caps? I saw him and Ovi and Semin hamming it up one time in Ottawa, on TV, just before the game, and I thought that would mean "Yes."

Is he worth the risk of 6 yrs at that price with NMC? It's not the yearly price nor the years or the NMC but the combination that's scary. If you are CONVINCED that Green, Carlson, Alzner, Schultz and Orlov at are Top 5 guys and they will be Caps for the better part of the next decade, then Volch is maybe not a good deal. We'll see. It's kinda like with cars. You never know if it was worth the purchase price until after you drove it 4-5 years.

I believe though 4-5 years down the road we'll all say we shoulda signed him. I'm 55/45 on that.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:
If AnGus has the same career path as BS, that would be a certifiable bust!

@t-bone:
It makes no sense for Chicago to only get an RFA that could get up to 3.5 a year and only a 4th pick when their cap space issue isn't as bad as it used to be...

Hell, Philly has to get rid of a big salary! Gagne has reportedly waived his NTC...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 13, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

lines would be awesome

Ovie-backie-knubs
Semin-sharp-laich
fehr-johansson-a.gordon
chimer-b.gordon-bradley

Posted by: t-bone67 | July 13, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@frankM73: it makes a ton of sense Chi has to dump salary the are hard against it the can walk away from flash for nothing and save all the space of his contract they cant afford salary coming back

Posted by: t-bone67 | July 13, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

t-bone67: If I were the Hawks, I wouldn't take that deal. He has two years left, so he's worth more than "rental" compensation. Flash and a #4?

Try Flash and the Caps first pick next year. Maybe they would do that. What I would want, even more, for Sharp, are prospects about ready to step in but on EL contracts. Two players, one to plug a 4th line hole now and another guy (or pick) a year or two away.

MaJo for Sharp? They might take that one. Would you do it? If it also cost a #2?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

@frankM73: it makes a ton of sense Chi has to dump salary the are hard against it the can walk away from flash for nothing after arbitration let Flash go as a UFA and save all the space from Sharps contract they cant afford salary coming back

Posted by: t-bone67 | July 13, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

if Chicago wanted that deal Id sent MaJo to Dulles so fast. Proven guy versus unknown, sign me up for the guy that was just part of the Cup winner.

Posted by: ThePat | July 13, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

MaJo for Sharp? They might take that one. Would you do it? If it also cost a #2?
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I wouldn't do it straight-up, never mind the #2. Marian Hossa has a way - and track record - of making his centers look terrific.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Frank: Chi's cap space issues are severe. They have $100K in space. Even waiving Huet they have only $5.75M in space - needing 6 skaters and 2 goalies to fill out the minimum CBA 22-player roster.

5.75 divided by 8 = $710K/player. That's lower than at least half the EL contracts. Good luck to them. And what if Niemi gets $3M based on Halak? And what if they can't move Campbell (he can designate 8 teams to be traded to and has 6 yrs left $7.1M/yr).

They might want Aucoin from us. He makes like $525K and he would be decent enough as a #4C.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 13, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1: I wouldn't trade a top prospect. MaJo No way up to a 2nd rd pick is ok but steep the real value for Chi is the free 4.9 cap space this would create that is the big return for them

Posted by: t-bone67 | July 13, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Guys I think you are overvaluing prospects. You never know what they will turn into. So many turn into nothing and you are willing to turn down the exact type of player the Caps need for a "well in a couple seasons he may be good." I know people are high on MaJo but Id rather have the player that can complete this team right now. We still have a lot of prospects.

Posted by: ThePat | July 13, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I found a book by Pete Egoscue that showed me how to fix my back.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 3:09 PM

One of my roommates used to work for the Egoscue office in Arlington. She has some of the best techniques for getting straightened out. I play soccer (flame away) and those Egoscue techniques are amazing.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 13, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Guys I think you are overvaluing prospects.
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Talk to Pierre Gauthier [the new Habs' GM] about overvaluing prospects; they traded away Halak - Halak! - for Lars Eller and some other dude; only Eller is potentially a legit top-6 F and even if he is it's a bad trade:

http://bleacherreport.com/tb/b4V6y

Never thought I'd feel bad for Canadiens fans but yikes did Gauthier get hosed on that one.

My [admittedly rather unconcise point]: yes Sharp played well this spring, but there were many questions during the season about his signing - which apparently they're still not thrilled about in Chitown. And it's not just money - the Hawks proved that by matching SJ's offer to Hjalmarrsson, for which they'd have received a 1st and 3rd from SJ for letting him go, addition to saving themselves $14mil over 4 years.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1, you are oversimplifying back injuries. With some back injuries, you can get better better by doing exercises and watching what you do.
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most back issues that i've come across are diagnosed (or misdiagnosed) as disc injuries - herniations, ruptures etc that cause lower back pain, spasms, and sciatica. That is what I was referring to specifically in terms of treatment options. If AG has something else going on besides that then I don't know. But in general, regular exercise can sometimes make those symptoms worse because of tight glutes and hammies that pull down on your lower back causing more strain. I've bought that Egoscue book for 5 or 6 people over the years and they've all seemed to benefit from it. And it doesn't treat just back pain, it treats the whole body's alignment. Egoscue actually saved Jack Nicklaus's career in the late 70s. Nicklaus was in crippling back pain and Egoscue offered to try and help him. He ended up prolonging his career by almost 30 yrs.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:
If AnGus has the same career path as BS, that would be a certifiable bust!
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Frank, injury treatment path, not career path


"One of my roommates used to work for the Egoscue office in Arlington. She has some of the best techniques for getting straightened out. I play soccer (flame away) and those Egoscue techniques are amazing."

sweet Fro! Actually I used two techniques. One was physiological (Egoscue), the other was mental (John Sarno). Using both of them I kicked the back pain outta my life. My wife just threw her back out right before we were supposed to fly out on vacation and she had never had a back issue before. I kinda showed her 3 or 4 concepts and she followed it religiously for about 24 hrs and she went from lying in a heap on the floor to carrying all my heavy bags thru the airport!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Talk to Pierre Gauthier [the new Habs' GM] about overvaluing prospects; they traded away Halak - Halak! - for Lars Eller and some other dude; only Eller is potentially a legit top-6 F and even if he is it's a bad trade:
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Timbo, I'm not overvaluing the other asset but Ian Schultz has the potential to be a Ryane Clowe/Milan Lucic type of player. He could flame out and be a bust or he could be a solid rugged power forward. So the jury's still out on that deal imo. A lot depends on how the Habs goalie plays. If Halak soars in St Louis and the Habs have huge holes in the net then it makes the deal look worse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Try Flash and the Caps first pick next year. Maybe they would do that. What I would want, even more, for Sharp, are prospects about ready to step in but on EL contracts. Two players, one to plug a 4th line hole now and another guy (or pick) a year or two away.

MaJo for Sharp? They might take that one. Would you do it? If it also cost a #2?
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don't know how this would've worked out money-wise but maybe they could've acquired Ladd AND Sharp for Flash and Alzner. They didn't get much back for Ladd. And this way they get a young dman and a guy who has proven he can score at this level.

Then we go out and sign someone like a Wille Mitchell.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Ovie-backie-knubs
Semin-sharp-laich
fehr-johansson-a.gordon
chimer-b.gordon-bradley

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you'd probably have to switch Fehr and Laich for each other's spots. Not a bad lineup but you could do a better 4th line than that. Chimera isn't a great 4th liner just because he has speed and size. And BGordo isn't the prototypical hardnosed in your face 4th line center that most teams employ either. I'd go with Steck/Beags at 4th line center and Pinizotto at RW and flip Brads to LW. That way you get two more guys in the lineup with better overall size, strength, youth, tenacity, and PK ability.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 13, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Never thought I'd feel bad for Canadiens fans but yikes did Gauthier get hosed on that one.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 13, 2010 5:02 PM

Here's a pretty complete, looking-at-all-angles argument (including the Habs investment in Price) for the Halak deal...

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=28899&blogger_id=139

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 13, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

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