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Boudreau on Ovechkin: 'He's going to come out more determined than ever'

For Coach Bruce Bodureau's thoughts on how Alex Ovechkin is handling his two suspension, click below.

I'm writing a story for tomorrow's Post about Brendan Morrison, his up and down season and the sense of urgency he feels with the playoffs approaching and a spot in Boudreau's playoff lineup at stake. So keep an eye for that.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  March 17, 2010; 3:32 PM ET
 
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Comments

Again: OV just has "a Rage to win"

PRIMUS!

Posted by: Rhino40 | March 17, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

I like it, this suspension and all the people calling Ovie 'dirty' are giving this team an "Us versus the World" state of mind, which is a good thing heading into the playoffs. Hopefully this whole incident and the fallout from it will allow us to refocus on the big goal, hoisting Lord Stanley's Cup!

Posted by: TDGibson | March 17, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Avery had a misconduct with less then 20 seconds left in the 3rd last night. Isn't that an automatic suspension? We'll be waiting Colin. We'll be waiting :)

Posted by: cappies | March 17, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Now, cappies, Avery is a good ole Ontario boy. He has what we call "grit." Not like this dirty Russians.

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Hal Gill shoulda killed Avery after that slash. It was a classic "sour grapes" slash at the end of a loss. I don't know if it was worth a suspension but...


check this Avery clip out where he gets the Canucks bench so mad at him they try and spear him

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9pNxiHM5kM


Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Is a misconduct that late an automatic suspension? I know an instigator is, but haven't heard of anything else where that is the case.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

there's actually no difference between Avery and Dale. They were both smaller players who were tough for their size, they both yapped (although Dale never was a clown publicly), they both had talent, they both made lives miserable for opposing goalies, they both drew penalties, they both lost their tempers and drew suspensions. Avery is just a little behind the times. He would've been considered a real asset back in the 80s and early 90s

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Let me get this straight and if I'm wrong someone please correct me. Colin Campbell is saying that the hit itself wasn't suspension worthy but became suspension worthy due to injury. Further, he is saying that Ovechkin has to be more careful than other players because he is bigger, faster, and stronger than most other players are. Do I have this correct?

Posted by: croftonpost | March 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

no but any major penalty that is not for fighting gets reviewed by the league to see if it warrants a suspension or fine. He'll get at least a fine.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Further, he is saying that Ovechkin has to be more careful than other players because he is bigger, faster, and stronger than most other players are. Do I have this correct?

Posted by: croftonpost | March 17, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

actually thats exactly correct.

now why didn't he suspend Lucic when he ran Pothier with a clean hard check that caused Pothier to miss most of last season with a concussion ?

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton - I think the real difference between Avery and Hunter is the one you mention. Hunter was physical and an irritant and he could take the bad physical penalty now and then out of anger. Avery has that, but is also genuinely crazy. I am not aware of Hunter having off ice problems. There is a big difference between playing physical, even to the point of dirty, and being a menace in the real world.

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

good point zmega, Avery is self-destructive to an extent that Hunter never was. Actually most of the pests back in the day managed to keep their heads straight (Hunter, Linseman)

And today there's Darcy Tucker, Laperriere, Burrows, even Cooke and Carcillo who all play similar roles for their teams without being crazy off the ice.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, it is much easier today to have perspnal things reported that show a person is crazy. That doesn't mean that any of those older players were crazy off the ice, but if they were it would have been much less likely anyone would have found out.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

You are trying to find reason where there is none. This is the NHL Czar of Discipline folks. Nothing is consistent, nothing is rational, everything is random, subjective, and unique. Sometimes an injury is suspend-able, sometimes it is the act, sometimes it is the intent, sometimes it is a combination of the all of the three.

Until a system of exacting "this act leads to this length suspension" and "repeat offenders get double, or more" etc, etc...the system will be broken.

Colin Campbell hardly knows what day it is...let alone what to make of these incidents...there needs to be a Competition and Discipline committee, made up of 1 captain from each division, 1 GM from each division, and 1 NHL representative that review and mandate disciplinary actions...it takes 20 minutes to go on-line, review prepared video footage, jump on a conference call and make the decision...how hard does this have to be?

Posted by: netminder71 | March 17, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Going back to the Hunter example, Hunter is willingly entrusted with young players in his junior hockey program and NHL teams comment favorably on the young guys coming out of his program. Can you imagine that ever happening with Avery?

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 4:59 PM | Report abuse

the gruesome turgeon incident changed hunter for the rest of his career...he was never the same after that.

Posted by: netminder71 | March 17, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

To be fair, it is much easier today to have perspnal things reported that show a person is crazy. That doesn't mean that any of those older players were crazy off the ice, but if they were it would have been much less likely anyone would have found out.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 17, 2010 4:51 PM | Report abuse

true

i remember Dino got busted for walking naked down his driveway in MN to pick up his newspaper. That was kinda nutty. The worst I think I heard was Doug Gilmour pulling a Polanksi with an underager that caused him to get shipped out in a 7 player deal from the Blues

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'll never understand why anyone would watch someone else play golf on television.

Posted by: youaresquishy | March 16, 2010 9:08 PM

Well, squish, I generally don't watch golf on TV for more than a few minutes at a time. It always cracked me up how the commentators would whisper when a player was about to make an important putt (even though the broadcast booth was half a f***ing mile from where the 'action' was taking place! That said, I can think of 2 reasons why people do watch golf on TV:

1) Spending a couple of hours watching a pleasant green landscape bathed in sunshine is preferable to looking out the window when the weather outside is utter crap.
2) Tin Cup, Happy Gilmore and Caddyshack

'nuff said!

Posted by: Rhino40 | March 17, 2010 5:06 PM | Report abuse

the thing is, Dale Hunter did about a dozen things worse than the Turgeon incident. It may have weighed on him mentally a bit but I don't think it was gruesome by any stretch. Had Hunter done exactly what he did in a non-playoff game to a 3rd line no-name forward in a small-market town, he wouldn't even have been suspended one game back then. Even if the player suffered a separated shoulder.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Going back to the Hunter example, Hunter is willingly entrusted with young players in his junior hockey program and NHL teams comment favorably on the young guys coming out of his program. Can you imagine that ever happening with Avery?

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 4:59 PM

yes - if these comments came from the young players themselves and the program dealt with 'how to get dates with actresses and swimsuit models'

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | March 17, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@netminder71:

Agree 100%: I suggest that any such Suspension Comittee consist of 6 Team captains, 6 GM's, and 6 Coaches. Plus 1 or 2 alternates from each category, because any comittee member who is connected to one of the involved teams must recuse himself from the vote on whether or not to suspend. Colin Campbell's (or his replacement's) involvement would only be 1)as a tie-breaking vote, and (2)to notify the the involved player(s) and press of the verdict...

Makes sense.

Posted by: Rhino40 | March 17, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

lol

I did see a clip once of Chad LaRose (Canes) telling Avery that he appreciates what he brings to the ice and just to be a little careful so he doesn't go too far and get kicked out. Said the game needs him.

Here's Avery taunting another pest - Maxime Talbot

http://www.youtubevi.com/sean-avery-taunting-maxime-talbot-penguins-vs-rangers-03042010.html

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 5:22 PM | Report abuse

A suspension committee made up of representatives from teams would all have conflicts of interest. They would suspend Ovi for a year for sneezing on someone.

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: TheMiz | March 17, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

the NHL suspension committee should be like the NCAA basketball selection committee... most of their members come from outside basketball world

just hire a bunch of people who wouldn't know the difference between the blue line and red line and let'em dish out the punishments

Posted by: joek443 | March 17, 2010 5:47 PM | Report abuse

yeah that makes a lot of sense, bring in non-hockey observers who start getting hysterical at the sight of a black eye. Please, keep the non hockey types out of hockey. Having a commissioner like Bettman is enough torture.


timely article about how nhl players feel about some of the pests

http://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/2010/03/11/spector_cooke_cheap_shot_souray/

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

LOL right, a career hockey guy like Colin Campbell does such a magnificent job

Posted by: joek443 | March 17, 2010 5:58 PM | Report abuse

Very interesting article, cstanton. What you always hear is that this kind of player inspires his teammates, picks up their energy level, etc. I can imagine that for a guy who stands up for a teammate. But for a guy who is just a pain-in-the-a** trouble-maker, I just don't see the benefit. I would be concerned if I were Crosby that I would end up paying the price for some of Cooke's nonsense.

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm parking my ass on the couch tomorrow to watch the Caps and the B's/Penguins game. It's going to be a great evening.

UNLEASH THE OVIE!!!

Posted by: vsmartin007 | March 17, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

They should let blogs vote on suspensions.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 17, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

They should let blogs vote on suspensions.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 17, 2010 6:33 PM

The outcomes would probably be as consistent.

Posted by: Raber | March 17, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I think the starting point should be re-writing the physical foul rules, which are currently inconsistent and incomplete. There should be criteria that must be explicitly considered in determining whether to suspend and for how long - e.g., magnitude of the violation of the rule, extent of injury caused, intent to cause injury. There should be a written explanation of the suspension decision, which is made public. The decision document should explain how the specified criteria were weighed and should compare and contrast the relevant precedents.

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if this has been brought up yet today, but I needed to mention it. When Brooks Laich scored the caps 7th goal last night and was cleaned out in front of the crease by Allen and then subsequently had his head driven face first into the ice 2-3 times, why was no penalty called on Allen and why is this not being reviewed by the league?

I don't have beef with Allen clearing Brooks out. My Lacrosse coaches always preached you made someone pay for taking a shot in close, but the elbows driving his head into the ice were clearly intended to injure Brooks. The Refs looked the other way and I assume with the leagues sparkling track record they will do the same as well. Even Craig Laughlin commented that it should have definitely been a penalty. I thought the NHL wanted to eliminate shots to the head?

Posted by: eorr | March 17, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

eorr, one reason. Brooks is a Cap. Campbell doesn't believe in punishing people for trying to hurt Caps.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 7:49 PM | Report abuse

eorr - I thought I was the only 1 that noticed that.
Looked like his head was kneed to the ice.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 17, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Joe B and Locker both commented on it. Locker's comment was that it was not called because it was a 7-2 blowout at that point.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

@croftonpost

Yes, you read it right. Campbell admits he suspended Ovi since Brian Campbell was hurt. Even though suspensions aren't supposed to be determined based on the outcome; i,e. injury.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

lol @ the pens!! hahahaha maf pulled! i love it when they lose! devils definitely have their number.

Posted by: rachel216 | March 17, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

"Going back to the Hunter example, Hunter is willingly entrusted with young players in his junior hockey program and NHL teams comment favorably on the young guys coming out of his program. Can you imagine that ever happening with Avery?"

I would imagine people would comment that the players coming out of Avery's program are well accessorized.

Posted by: troyPullen | March 17, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

Rachel, it's not nice to laugh at other peoples' misfortunes.

On, never mind - just kidding.

Posted by: zmega | March 17, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

the devils and their old school christmas tree unis, brings back memories...

Posted by: joek443 | March 17, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

@ TimmyV: Joe B and Locker both commented on it. Locker's comment was that it was not called because it was a 7-2 blowout at that point.

I thought I heard that excuse as well, but these are professionals. I think they should add another rule that states: When a team is getting blown out and can't handle it like the professionals they are and try to injure an opposing teams player for continuing to play the game, the refs should pay attention and actually make the call.

I also remember Joe B and Locker referring to the ref Fraser as a long time NHL Vet, as a Ref, who was retiring after an illustrious career. I guess, while basking in his awesome career, he missed Allen trying to break Brooks' nose or orbital bone on the ice.

Posted by: eorr | March 17, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

What needs to be considered is the nature of the injury and just how the injury occurred. Holding Ovi responsible for the condition of the ice is wrong, period. Granted, it didn't help Campbell's situation that Ovi pushed so hard, but the FACT is that Campbell hit a rough patch in the ice and lost an edge. THAT is what CAUSED the injuries.

Posted by: OvechkinFan92801 | March 17, 2010 9:02 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't go as far as saying Kerry Fraser having a "illustrious" career as a ref when the number one thing most people remember about the guy is his hair...

Posted by: joek443 | March 17, 2010 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Agreed JoeK, I especially liked when he took his helmet off to make the official ruling on the Panther's 3rd goal that was reviewed. I guess we all needed to sweet his "blow out" was.

Posted by: eorr | March 17, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

"see how sweet" excuse me

Posted by: eorr | March 17, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

eorr, I totally agree with you. This isn't the first time that a Caps player has taken a cheap shot from a team that is getting blown out (for example, Koci's hit on Green). The NHL needs to not only suspend the player for hits like that, but fine both the coach and team as well.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 9:17 PM | Report abuse

Timmy: I don't know about fining the coach and the team, I do suppose that fining the coach and team would help to reiterate that acting like a baby is completely unacceptable.


I do remember the Koci hit on Green and Adams hit on Ovie, which makes Ovie's suspension so much more baffling.

Either way I am still shocked that with all the head shot talk going on that the Allen/Laich incident wasn't even given a roughing penalty.

NHL Officials and League Management are really making the league a mockery at this point.

Posted by: eorr | March 17, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

I think the line of Chimera, Morrison, and Fehr was an awesome line last night. They need to stay together. i also like how Carlson is jumping into the play. Any replies?

Posted by: Tprpolen | March 17, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

My husband is beginning to think that there's no way Ovi can win. If he dials back (and plays with less intensity), he will be accused of being your typical "soft Russian who takes shifts off". While he continues in the same manner, he will keep getting suspended.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Will Pelley of NJ get a suspension for his boarding of a Penguing today? He got a 5 minute major while Kris Letang got a coincidental 2 minute minor.

NJ has officially swept the Pens this year in the season series.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Our least favorite team lost tonight. The max points they can now get is 111. The Caps are at 103 and almost have East Conference wrapped up with 10 games to go. Now lets get the Presidents Trophy and on to the STANLEY CUP!!!!!!!!!


CAPS!! CAPS!! CAPS!!

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | March 17, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

@realoldcapsfan

Agree with your post, 100%

Fleury was pulled after giving up a flurry of goals.

NJ officially sweeps the season series from the Pens.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 9:35 PM | Report abuse

Pens defense is pretty bad. MAF is not that good. What is the deal with MAF anyway? He's totally overrated in my opinion. Everytime I've seen him play he's not impressive. I don't get why everyone's so high on him except for the fact that he won a cup.

CapsFan75: Besides the fact that the Pens lost, Crosby didn't score a goal!! Yes!!! Still only 1 up on our Ovie.

Posted by: rachel216 | March 17, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

eorr, I am saying that only in cases where, late in an obvious blowout, a cheap shot is taken. In Koci's case, there was no reason to send him out except to go after a Caps player, so I guess that would be a better example than the cheap shot on Brooks yesterday.

Tprpolen, they did play well last night, but I wonder if they would do as well with Belanger - which would make it a better defensive/checking line. All 3 of them have been stepping up at big times this season, so it might be worth keeping them together for a while.

As for Carlson - he is very impressive. I'm sure he'll be a full-time Cap next season.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 9:44 PM | Report abuse

Gustafsson coming to Hershey this week:

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2010/03/gustafsson_mitchell_joining_he.html

By TIM LEONE, The Patriot-News
March 17, 2010, 12:11PM
Forwards Garrett Mitchell and Anton Gustafsson are scheduled to join the Hershey Bears Thursday, the Washington Capitals announced Wednesday.

Mitchell, a sixth-round pick (175th overall) last season, is slated to sign an amateur tryout contract. The winger scored 15 goals in 57 games for Regina (WHL) this season.

Centerman Gustafsson started the season with Hershey but returned to his native Sweden before playing any regular-season games. The 2008 first-rounder (21st overall), who had 10 points in 25 games for Bofors IK, is eligible to play for Hershey.

Posted by: tess2201 | March 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Any team ever win the presidents cup and stanley cup in the same year?

Posted by: LloydChristmas | March 17, 2010 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Lloyd, a few have.

1986-87 Oilers
1988-89 Flames
1993-94 Rangers
1998-99 Stars
2000-01 Avalanche
2001-02 Red Wings
2007-08 Red Wings

Of President's Cup winners who didn't win the Stanley Cup, here's where they finished. 2 lost in the Stanley Cup finals. 5 lost in conference finals. 1 lost in conference semi-finals. 3 lost in conference quarter-finals. 4 lost in division finals. 1 lost in division semi-finals.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 10:32 PM | Report abuse

@LloydChristmas

There's about a 30% chance of the President's trophy winner winning the Stanley Cup. Low as these odds may seem, it's better odds for winning the Cup than finishing anywhere lower would have.

Someone posted the actual odds, either on an earlier thread here or on Japers.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

@rachel216

Yes, no goals scored by Crosby.

MAF was pulled today. The Pens have given up more goals than the Caps. Okay only 4 more but still..... Considering that so many observers have a poor opinion of the Caps' defense. And the Pens are the defending SC champions. Granted the Caps could stand to improve on defense but still....

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@tess2201

Should we now play "Eye of the Tiger" in honor of AnGus's arrival in the US? (Or do you remember that post of Gus working out to that song that was soon removed?)

Thanks for the Hershey personnel update.

Hershey won today. Holtby was in goal. Gave up 3 goals but had a great save percentage as the other team had a jillion shots on goal.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 10:44 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see what Gustafsson can do. I met him once at a season ticket holder event, and he seems like a class act.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

And why didn't Campbell suspend Lucic for the hit to Pothier that caused him to miss most of last season?

Because his name was not Alexander Mikhailovich Ovechkin, he's not Russian, and he does not fall into the category of suspendable superstar. He is a Slavic descent, a Canadian of Serbian descent.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | March 17, 2010 10:54 PM | Report abuse

MAF is given a pass because he has won a Cup. Hard to argue with that. However, if he continues with this subpar play then his Cup will be forgotten rather quickly.

Posted by: croftonpost | March 17, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

Marc-Andre Fleury is quite overrated. Last season, he was playing behind a very good defense. This season, without that, his numbers are down. In fact, his numbers this season are hardly better than Theo's.

Posted by: timmyv38 | March 17, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

@eorr, I wonder why the Capital's coaches or GM do not submit tapes of such offenses against the Capitals to League officials for questionable non-calls and possible additional fines? Is there such a process in place?

Posted by: JohnWWW | March 17, 2010 11:58 PM | Report abuse

JohnWWW: I agree completely, if the organization won't submit these videos to the league office, perhaps a fan should take it upon him/herself to compose a video montage of all the suspendable offenses against the Caps and other teams/players that are not called initially and/or not issued a suspension. I would do it myself but lack the video editing capabilities and now how to put something like that together.

Posted by: eorr | March 18, 2010 12:02 AM | Report abuse

I hate to beat the Ovi suspension topic to death, but I just read Campbell's explanation. Did he really say that he suspended Ovi because of his size? That is absurd! So smaller guys can get away with borderline hits, but larger guys must show restraint? It would have been better had Campbell stayed silent.

Posted by: ablake70 | March 18, 2010 12:22 AM | Report abuse

i remember Dino got busted for walking naked down his driveway in MN to pick up his newspaper. That was kinda nutty.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 17, 2010 5:05 PM

If it had been his neighbor's driveway or paper, I can see your point. But it was HIS newspaper!

Dino was the man! We named our cat "Dino" even. What an awful trade, Dino for Kevin Miller.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 18, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

I hate to beat the Ovi suspension topic to death, but I just read Campbell's explanation. Did he really say that he suspended Ovi because of his size? That is absurd! So smaller guys can get away with borderline hits, but larger guys must show restraint? It would have been better had Campbell stayed silent.
Posted by: ablake70 | March 18, 2010 12:22 AM |

He basically also said, if there was no injury, there wouldn't have been a suspension!

So Campbell trips & Ovie pushes him from 11 ft out on an accident & he gets a suspension.

Too much to digest but blataly absurd is the mssg. coming out of the league office.

Why not take a run @ every1 now, it's like going the county fair & playing @ the game booths.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 18, 2010 2:08 AM | Report abuse

@eorr, timmyv, JohnWWW: I mentioned the Allen hit on Laich, but the blog post quickly got replaced by the addition of new blogs. The attack on Laich was vicious, and Joe and Craig were incredulous that there was no call. I REALLY like the idea of a video put together with all the dirty hits on the Caps not being called, especially hits that are similar to ones that Ovi got suspended for. The attack on Laich made me sick.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | March 18, 2010 6:26 AM | Report abuse

@eorr, timmyv, JohnWWW: I mentioned the Allen hit on Laich, but the blog post quickly got replaced by the addition of new blog posts. The attack on Laich was vicious, and Joe and Craig were incredulous that there was no call. I REALLY like the idea of a video put together with all the dirty hits on the Caps not being called, especially hits that are similar to ones that Ovi got suspended for. The attack on Laich made me sick.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | March 18, 2010 6:41 AM | Report abuse

That hit on Laich got me really pissed off. Since when was that allowed?? (Just like Joe B asked.) This is the downside of blowing all these teams out, it's that the other teams feels like it's okay to take liberties with the Caps. Did the refs just not see it? I mean it went on for a while. How did he not see it? That was very dirty and sneaky by Allen, I hope he is very ashamed. He should be suspended for that since there's no doubt that was intentional and malice.

and great idea, eorr. Someone should put together all the dirty stuff that's been done to the Caps.

Posted by: rachel216 | March 18, 2010 6:46 AM | Report abuse

That hit on Laich got me really pissed off. Since when was that allowed?? (Just like Joe B asked.) This is the downside of blowing all these teams out, it's that the other teams feels like it's okay to take liberties with the Caps. Did the refs just not see it? I mean it went on for a while. How did he not see it? That was very dirty and sneaky by Allen, I hope he is very ashamed. He should be suspended for that since there's no doubt that was intentional and malice.

and great idea, eorr. Someone should put together a vid of all the stuff done to the Caps.

Posted by: rachel216 | March 18, 2010 6:48 AM | Report abuse

If anyone knows how to get ahole of CapsFan75, tell her there's another hit like the Ovi hit that just happened last night. I know she belongs to the Japers' Rink boards, and James Myrtle was on there saying that the hit like Ovi did doesn't happen much. Well, so far, we have Alfredsson and now Pelley. Hopefully she can send him this clip.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTSuBfe8pTw


Posted by: dfe1 | March 18, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

That hit was just as bad as Ovechkins...was he even given a game misconduct for it?

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 8:33 AM | Report abuse

The Caps are going to have to be real careful from now on...with teams fighting for playoff spots and us already have clinched one, I think team will be taking liberties with us...and of course expecting the refs to make the call is like asking asking for pigs to fly.

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

It's all about the injury folks...Colin said it...thats the way it is...when you make a hit, you roll the dice....

Thats why Downie got nothing, and that's why Pelley will get nothing.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 18, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

@dfe1 -- Thanks for posting. That's really nothing like the Ovi hit, however. The Pelley hit is a classic illegal boarding, much different and much worse than what Ovi did. Coming at high speed and using the momentum to crosscheck Goligoski directly in the middle of the numbers, all that energy going straight into the center of him 3-4 feet from the boards, and driving the head into the glass.

Everything Pelley did there was controlled and the expected, straight-line direct result was to smash Goligoski's head into the boards.

The contrast with Ovi's push to the side from several feet out and Campbell's unexpected awkward slide into the boards is huge.

Posted by: Sonyask | March 18, 2010 8:41 AM | Report abuse

Actually since the Ovechkin/Campbell incident there have been 4 similar, but actually more violent occurances. Later in that same game Brouwer cross-checked Semin in the back, when he didn't have the puck, right at the same goal line Campbell was hit. He hit the boards harder than Campbell. In Monday's game between the Devils and Bruins Seidenberg railed Parise and Parise NEVER had possession of the puck. The VS color gus, who happens to be the Bruins color guy said contact like that happens on every shift in the NHL.

It is a shame that Campbell was injured, and I hope we are lucky enough to not have a Capital injured down the stretch and into the playoffs. I still whole-heartedly believe that it was just a routine play gone bad. Ovi did go after Campbell to injure him, no way. The thing that bothers me is that outsiders and even Caps fans keep saying that Ovi is a repeat offender but a repeat offender of what? That play was so weak that it is shocking he was suspended. BetteroffwithFederov mentioned that he is an on ice official for youth hockey. I would be interested in knowing whether or not that would have even been a penalty in youth hockey because the contact took place at the goal line.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 8:43 AM | Report abuse

the caps' fans already have the reputation of being whiny by a few media outlets... think it's a good idea to send the video?

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

Oh man, I meant to say Ovi DIDN't go after Campbell to injure him! Geez, it's like there are little Ovi-hating Canadian gremlins forcing typos.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Boudreau on Ovechkin: 'He's going to come out more determined than ever'
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I sure hope so. They are trying very hard to break his spirit. I pray they haven't. GO OVIE!!! GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: AmyS1 | March 18, 2010 8:52 AM | Report abuse

Check out this article on TSN: http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=314483

I haven't seen the hit but will check it out later. The way it is described makes it sound like it should have been more than a two-minute minor. Please don't tell me NHL that someone that "launched himself" at an opposing player because his team mate was knocked out is not does not intend on injuring the target. The Holiday BS flag is out now.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Anyone else surprised that Chicago lost to Anaheim...anyone hoping that maybe they are starting to slip a bit? Fingers crossed!

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Chicago seems to be a bit undersized and teams that play a more physical game are taking it to them. Even though the Caps don't have any enforcers, they are a BIG team, many teams comment on their size.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

The push OV made happens all the time. The Pelley example last night, the Eaton hit on OV earlier, and many many more.

What's amusing is that Eaton got nothing, Pelley probably won't get anything either. But the fact is, they didn't get the injury out of it.

Another example of ruling to the result and not the action will be in the Ducks-Hawks game last night. Wisniewski clobbers Seabrook with a headshot similar to what Seabrook does to Perry a few moments earlier. That said, I bet Wis gets games, and Seabrook doesn't.. because of the injury.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dtSx2z_CPKQ

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | March 18, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

Gustafsson coming to Hershey this week:

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2010/03/gustafsson_mitchell_joining_he.html

By TIM LEONE, The Patriot-News
March 17, 2010, 12:11PM
Forwards Garrett Mitchell and Anton Gustafsson are scheduled to join the Hershey Bears Thursday, the Washington Capitals announced Wednesday.

Mitchell, a sixth-round pick (175th overall) last season, is slated to sign an amateur tryout contract. The winger scored 15 goals in 57 games for Regina (WHL) this season.

Centerman Gustafsson started the season with Hershey but returned to his native Sweden before playing any regular-season games. The 2008 first-rounder (21st overall), who had 10 points in 25 games for Bofors IK, is eligible to play for Hershey.

Posted by: tess2201 | March 17, 2010 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hershey will like Garrett Mitchell. Skates well, plays hard, think of Pinizzotto with better fighting ability. Heart and soul kind of player. He's had a bit of an offensive explosion this yr after getting drafted.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

& playing @ the game booths.

Posted by: Rocc00 | March 18, 2010 2:08 AM

Hey- let's leave Mike Richards out of this.

Posted by: Fro_ | March 18, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

Chicago seems to be a bit undersized and teams that play a more physical game are taking it to them. Even though the Caps don't have any enforcers, they are a BIG team, many teams comment on their size.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

I wouldn't say they're undersized. Bfugylien, Bolland, Brouwer, Eager, and Andrew Ladd upfront. Thats a bigger grittier lineup than the Caps have upfront imo. Then you have players like Colin Fraser/Adam Burish (who Boyd Gordo could learn to emulate) who play a real sandpaper game.

On the back line they have Seabrook as their leader. And Boynton provides them another physical presence to replace Campbell.

I'd say mentaly tenacity and grit-wise, Chicago's ahead of the Caps. You just have to watch their games to see how they hold their own in physical battles. They like to scrum it up, they don't mind dropping the gloves. The Caps biggest asset really is their plethora of forwards who like to go crash the net this year. That's been heartening to see. And Knuble's been stepping up his game these past few weeks so I hope he was just pacing himself a little earlier in the season gearing up for the playoffs. We need him to be that Ryan Malone type, making life hell for the goalie and dmen.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 10:09 AM | Report abuse

speaking of Brent Seabrook, anyone catch the hit he took in last night's game v the Ducks. Wowsie! Seabrook had been pasting Ducks in that 1st pd and he put a high hard hit on Corey Perry. James Wisniewski (ex Hawk and the kind of player I'd love the Caps to be interested in since he's an offensive dman who hits)) came flying in and absolutely annhilated Seabrooke a bit later. Seabrook's eyes rolled back in his head and he collapsed. Duncan Keith jumped Wiz and later Boynton jumped him again right as Wiz made the assist pass for the deciding goal.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

I watched much of that CHI vs. ANA game last night on NHLNetwork.

It was a good tough game, wierd/funny play with the puck going way up in the air at the end and the guy getting pushed to the ice as it was coming down.

I am watching both CHI and SJ, of course hoping for home ice throughout, neither team has looked as good as the Caps to me lately.

For much of the season though, CHI and SJ have looked more balanced than the Caps to me.

CHI, SJ and the Caps all play tonight.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | March 18, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

ok

Posted by: wendel2 | March 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

The "Why was this not a penalty/suspension?" video montage sounds--on the surface--like a good Idea to shame the NHL into doing something that actally makes sense for a change.

Trouble is, it probably would accomplish nothing for the Caps for two reasons that I can think of right off the top of my head:

1) If the Caps organization keeps such a video discrete and private (vice going viral with it all over YouTube, etc.), then NHL brass will probably ignore it. Or more likely, that bunch of Haters will get a good laugh out of it. Either way, they will do nothing differently.

2) If the Caps go public with such a video, there's no telling how far the NHL Offices will go in retaliation: Remember: Players, Coaches, and GM's sometimes get fined, suspended, or both for publicly criticizing the NHL or any action taken by the League brass. Also remember that GMGM---always a great scrapper as a player--took issue with the Blackhawks' coach after that team had thugged it up on the Caps during a pre/early season game a few years back...and got suspended for a loooong time.

Maybe it (the video) needs to come from Ted...don't really know what they could do to an owner, though.

Posted by: Rhino40 | March 18, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Dino was the man! We named our cat "Dino" even. What an awful trade, Dino for Kevin Miller.

Posted by: tominfl1 | March 18, 2010 12:37 AM | Report abuse

that was a panic move trade. Trying to dump the famous 4 involved in the limo incident. It ended up being a full circle trade for the Caps. We trade Dino for Kevin Miller, then trade Miller away for Paul Cavallini who we had originally drafted and given up for nothing to the Blues (he turned into an all-star defenseman)

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

Coach Jacques Lemaire was happy with Pelley's game.

"His penalty? That will happen," Lemaire said. "But I thought he played good. I moved him on the third line for a time because I like what he's doing. He doesn't do anything fancy but he takes the man, skates well, finishes checks and plays good position. I'm happy with what he's doing.

"I didn't see his penalty. I don't know if the guy turned when he saw him coming. But I don't think it was undisciplined. Not from him. He just wants to play hard."

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boy, is that a breath of fresh air when a coach doesn't freak out when one of his physical players gets a penalty for an overly exuberant hit. Lemaire gets it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

that Pelley hit was a crosscheck in the back. If you take the craziness out of whats been happening lately with the Ovechkin suspension, the Pelley hit at worst should be a fine. That stuff happens frequently enough that it doesn't warrant a suspension. And if Goligoski had been hurt then that changes it a bit. I'm starting to think differently on intent v injury. I think the resulting injury should play a part in a suspension but the primary factor should still be "intent."

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

Why does Ovie get ejected and suspended, but Rod Pelley (NJ) gets a 5-minute Major for Boarding against Pittsburgh last night and he doesn't get ejected.

Rule 42.5 states:
42.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

So where's the ejection? Or the review for further disciplinary action?

Is this because the NHL and Colin Campbell hate Ovie? Or is it because Ovie is Russian and Pelley is Canadian??

What's going on with "setting a precident" and keeping rules/calls/punishments equal????

Posted by: RyanAndOpus | March 18, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Bruce Boudreau and Lemaire both have supported their players, that is what I would expect from a good coach.

Posted by: boomer44 | March 18, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Damn...I've been posting in the not so recent thread.

Anyways, I prefer Walker-Stecks-Brads as my 4th line.

Alfreddson's hit, Pelley's hit. No fans of other teams freak out except when Ovi does it. It's funny when you think about it.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

Yes, @richmondphil, same first 3 lines as Tuesday with your fourth. I like those a bunch. And show us what you can do Varly.

I agree that not much should come of the Pelley hit, but it's the Ovi suspension that just messed up the equation entirely. You can cut the on-ice officials some room for error in the heat of the game but the studied view of the hit when compared to what else goes on should not have come out the way it did (particularly with Matt Cook's and Downies' hits happening around the same time)

Posted by: Sonyask | March 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I don't get letting two guys play in Hershey this year, so late.

If they play even 1 game, doesn't that take a year off their entry-level?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@Sonyask

I'm not really trying to compare the hits, all I am trying to say is that when Ovi does something borderline dirty, the whole hockey world is talking about it. When another guy does something borderline dirty, no one cares because it wasn't Ovi.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

@richmondphil, that makes sense.

Posted by: Sonyask | March 18, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

The NHL is corrupt and is clearly trying to hurt the Capitals by getting Ovechkin to change his game.

Posted by: dcsportsdude | March 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I agree completely, if the organization won't submit these videos to the league office, perhaps a fan should take it upon him/herself to compose a video montage of all the suspendable offenses against the Caps and other teams/players that are not called initially and/or not issued a suspension. I would do it myself but lack the video editing capabilities and now how to put something like that together.

Posted by: eorr | March 18, 2010 12:02 AM

For some reason, I think trying to play the victim card isn't going to go well with the NHL.

I don't know where this idea of a video came from, but the NHL itself is trying to put together a video of what's illegal and what's not illegal for the future.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

And I wouldn't care if these guys didn't claim to be some objective hockey-saving guy who is intent on getting rid of any dirty play in hockey.

That's really evident by the 345345 comments that person had about the Ovi hit and the 0 that person had for Alfreddson's hit.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get how powerless the Caps and McPhee appear to be in this situation. If this was Toronto, Brian Burke would be all over the news and he'd curry some favor because of it. There's a time to fly below radar, and there's a time to be more vocal. McPhee and the Caps are just bending over and taking it without much of a fight. I don't like it. McPhee's been a mouse his entire tenure here when it comes to league matters and it hasn't helped us one bit. I can understand if his meekness resulted in some benefit but I don't see any.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

We all have to realize that OV is always going to be judged harshly for many reasons...he is Russian, he shows tons of emotion, and most importantly...every single fan from other teams is whole heartedly ticked off that he is not on their team!

C-A-P-S Caps Caps Caps!!!! GO OVIE!!!

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

That was an ugly play, too.

The Jersey announcers made it sound like it's the referees discretion to determine whether not an injury occured that was worthy of the ejection.

If he received the 10 minute misconduct, there would likely be a disciplinary review.

All of these types of hits need to be removed from the game, and we need consistency from the NHL to address the problem. The lack of consistency, though, in no way absolves Ovi of any wrongdoing. His hit on Campbell was still a bad hit.

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Rule 42.5 states:
42.5 Game Misconduct Penalty - When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.

So where's the ejection? Or the review for further disciplinary action?

Posted by: JohninMpls | March 18, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil...I don't think it counts towards the entry level years, since Anton was 19 when he signed the agreement in May, 2009. This practice has been done many times before with Canadian JR players, who may even go back to Jrs the next season...as for Mitchell, I think he signed an amateur tryout contract, so it won't count against him either...who knows how much they will play...Holtby joined Hershey last year, mainly just to practice and be around the team during the playoffs

Posted by: boomer44 | March 18, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

We have no idea what McPhee and Fishman are doing. Being a retired military person I remember the transition from a low rank to a high rank very eye-opening. That is because when the junior ranks get together and talk (us fans), we feel like management isn't trying to make the team better or stand up for the team. When you hit the senior ranks (Leonsis, GMGM, Fishman) and are aware of a lot more things going on you would hear rumbles from the junior ranks complaining of no support but knew first hand that either you or a fellow senior person "went to bat," sometimes resulting in a positive change, but sometimes resulting in no change and the senior person going through the ringer. One thing was consistent though, no matter what, the senior ranks never commented on what they did because ultimately they had to show a united front between them and the top dogs (the capitals and the nhl).

What I am saying in a nutshell is EVEN if McPhee is doing everything people say he should, we will never know because he would not want to make the NHL as a whole look bad.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know where this idea of a video came from, but the NHL itself is trying to put together a video of what's illegal and what's not illegal for the future.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 11:57 AM "

I'm laying odds that all the dirty hits shown in THAT video will have a player with a number "8" on his back committing all the offenses!

It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If McPhee raises the issue of inconsistent behavior by the NHL czars, then he gets punished, if Caps fans raise the issue, we get called "whiny". If no one raises the issue, then the czars continue to behave inconsistently with impunity.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | March 18, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

@Boomer

That'd be good for us and Anton then. Anyone read Campbell's statement on Ovi? He flat out said if Campbell wasn't injured, there would be no suspension.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

"It's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If McPhee raises the issue of inconsistent behavior by the NHL czars, then he gets punished, if Caps fans raise the issue, we get called "whiny". If no one raises the issue, then the czars continue to behave inconsistently with impunity."

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Who cares if we fans get labeled "whiny?" Perception of fans means nothing in the grand scheme of things.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 18, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

The injury is relevant under the boarding rule, but should not be with regard to the suspension. The purpose of the suspension should be to discourage bad behavior (i.e., intent to injure) and not to pile on additional punishment for the unfortunate consequences of hits not involving bad intent.

Posted by: zmega | March 18, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=521798

Great article on Green.

EVERY good team needs an offensive weapon back there, and we're lucky to have Green. I just wish the supporting cast we gave him defended better...

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

The injury is relevant under the boarding rule, but should not be with regard to the suspension. The purpose of the suspension should be to discourage bad behavior (i.e., intent to injure) and not to pile on additional punishment for the unfortunate consequences of hits not involving bad intent.

Posted by: zmega | March 18, 2010 12:27 PM |

I understand the importance of levying an injury in these decisions. I'm just wondering why Campbell would basically flat out say; He only got suspended because of the injury.

Does he really think that saying that is going to help the NHL's already horrible credibility problem?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

Here's the breakdown of active defensemen with the most goals through 300 games:

Mike Green, Capitals, 67
Dion Phaneuf, Toronto, 61
Shea Weber, Nashville, 58
Sergei Gonchar, Pittsburgh, 56
Rob Blake, San Jose, 55

Source: Elias Sports Bureau


This is hilarious because it shows exactly what kind of player Phaneuf is. He isn't a good defending defenseman by any standard....he scores goals and hits people. He wishes he was a complete player like Weber or Blake.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:32 PM | Report abuse

@dccitizen1

I say team fans can be as whiny as they want...just like we complain about OV being held to a double standard...I was so surprised to hear Pens fans saying the same thing about Crosby!

On the GM side, it is a fine line, but eventually something has to be done about the inconsistency...but it is true that the NHL czars are easily angered and don't tolerate discention amongst the teams

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

it's Green who has to decide if he wants to be a closet winger like Paul Coffey or a true two-way d-man like Ray Bourque... it's not the job of the other d-men to make him look good and cover for him.

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

richmonndphil & zmega brought up a good point, the injury part of hit determines if their is a misconduct, since Campbell was injured they gave OV the game misc, last might Pelley only got the major because Goligoski although stunned didn't have any visible injury and went to the bench...however I strongly feel that any injury shouldn't factor in for a suspension, too many other factors involoved, it should be on the intent and the act itself...maybe the league has an unwritten rule that injuries are a factor

Posted by: boomer44 | March 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

I understand the importance of levying an injury in these decisions. I'm just wondering why Campbell would basically flat out say; He only got suspended because of the injury.

Does he really think that saying that is going to help the NHL's already horrible credibility problem?

Posted by: richmondphil

I really think that Campbell is just not very bright.

Posted by: ccCapsfan | March 18, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

it's Green who has to decide if he wants to be a closet winger like Paul Coffey or a true two-way d-man like Ray Bourque... it's not the job of the other d-men to make him look good and cover for him.

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 12:34 PM |

What the hell are you talking about? Did you even read the article?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

IMO Green is starting to think about his defensive game more as he matures. This season when he carrier the puck into the O zone if something doesn't materialize as soon as he gets into the zone he heads back toward the blueline. I've actually seen that more during the 2nd half of the season. Maybe being passed over by Team Canada made him try to re-focus. All that being said. I'm really glad that Green is one of ours.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 12:39 PM | Report abuse

I am also glad we have Greenie, but out of all ou stars I think he is the most expendable.

I also think he plays WAY to casually in the buetral zone and on point on PP...I think I could intercept some of his recent passes lately...If he passed a little more deliberately it would help a lot. He is also trying to pass through players a bit to much on the PP...I mean hockey players are solid objects...a bit more patience would be prudent.

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

we're lucky to have Green. I just wish the supporting cast we gave him defended better...

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

what about Green? doesn't he have to defend better as well??

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

The principles we are talking about (the consequences of intent vs. injury) are fundamental issues of criminal and constitutional law. Hockey isn't the first context in which these issues arose. The ideal person to be in Campbell's job is someone who played in the NHL, is familiar with the physical aspects, and (I'm going to get crucified for this) is a lawyer. GMGM would be the ideal person IMO. Of course, I would not want to lose him from the Caps. But he should chair any committee the league assembles to try to clean up the mess with all these inconsistent decisions.

Posted by: zmega | March 18, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that's just another bad inference on your part. Yes, Green as to defend better.

Green is Green. If he says he wants to work on his defense, great. He needs to. Green is leading the NHL in points by a d-man, and is defending...decently. He's doing his job, even if we want to see more defensive structure from him.

My problem with the other guys is that we know they aren't generating any offense. They can't make a good first pass and they can't shoot a puck. So why are they not even playing decent defense sometimes?

You get what you get for Green, even if you desire to see more out of his game. We aren't getting anything from other defenders...not a consistent defensive effort or any consistent offensive threat.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

it's Green who has to decide if he wants to be a closet winger like Paul Coffey or a true two-way d-man like Ray Bourque... it's not the job of the other d-men to make him look good and cover for him.

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Corvo's a closet winger.

but yes, its not the job of other d-men to necessarily cover his butt. It is however the job of the GM to construct a roster that is well balanced. And part of that is to complement someone like Green with some stronger defensive defensemen. A team can only afford so many d-men who are shaky in their own end. The balance on our blueline is just off.

Poti- semi-offensive, semi-defensive who logs a lot of minutes but isn't particularly great on either end and is certainly not the veteran defensive presence a great team needs

Erskine - defensive d-man who is a fringe player

ShaMo - for my money, our most overall reliable player in his own end (which isn't saying much but still..). For those thinking Schultz is, lets see what happens in the playoffs. Whether Sarge can ratchet up his intensity to match playoff hockey remains to be seen.

Sarge - improving in that he's added a bit more physicality to go with his positional style

Corvo - closet forward

Green - playing harder in his own end but still apt to make some glaring careless turnovers. His defensive intensity has been much more consistent all yr long.

Sloan - very unpolished, very unpredictable. Sloppy player who could have a solid game once in a while.

Carlson - I'd like to see him in the lineup consistently despite his age.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Campbell told Chia to "keep it within the rules tonight."

So does that mean Lucic is allowed to blind-side Crosby in the face?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:51 PM | Report abuse

BTW richmondphil thanks for linking the Green article.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

When the Rangers won their Cup, they didn't try to do it with 3 or 4 offensive dmen. Neither did the Devils. They had Leetch and Nieds respectively and then surrounded them with a very strong defensive corps. Not saying that Leetch or Nieds were allowed to simply forego defensive hockey but if they wanted to jump up in the play or if they made a mistake which resulted from overhandling the puck, the other defensemen didn't make things worse by committing their share of defensive lapses.

On the Caps, there's not enough defensive support for a guy like Green. Adding Corvo is bizarre. This team needs at least 4 strong defensive defensemen and then a guy like Green could be less than stellar defensively and we'd still be a strong defensive team.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

"Why did you sign Morris and not Seidenberg in the offseason?"

"We misread Morris, and felt Seidenberg evolved throughout this season"


Chia quotes. Hilarious. We realized Morris sucks, so we traded him. haha.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

BTW richmondphil thanks for linking the Green article.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 12:53 PM |

Figured we'd all like to see Green himself acknowledging his own flaws, and making a promise to better his game.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

I've said this before and I'll say it again... Green is Caps' Brian Leetch, no more no less

there will always be questions about his defense

I wouln't be surprised if Carlson surpassed him and became a real leader on defense

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

at least Chiarelli is willing to publicly admit he made a mistake instead of spinning tales. I can't imagine McPhee ever admitting his front office "misread" a player even though its happened numerous times. He won't discuss draft pick busts, trade busts, FA busts. But he does go out of his way to say that every player he ever acquires is somehow always at the top of their target list. Self-serving BS.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Am I alone here in thinking that Shoa Mo is not that great or responsible...I feel like he is always making mistakes in the D zone...I think Sarge is better, but it is less noticeable b/c he is paired with Green and subsequently gets left on his own a lot...and doesn't the fact the BB puts Sarge with Green mean he feels Sarge is the most responsible. You have to match Green with your best SAHD to balance the ice a bit.

Posted by: capscoach | March 18, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I wouln't be surprised if Carlson surpassed him and became a real leader on defense

Posted by: joek443 | March 18, 2010 1:00 PM |

This wouldn't surprise me either.

Carlson is the real deal. The Caps have already put him above Alzner on their depth charts. Next year is going to be interesting...lots of turnovers at the blue line, with Carlson and Alzner stepping in full-time as well.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I think it absolutely is the job of the defensive partner and wings to cover when a d-man joins the rush. When Green, Corvo, or (as he develops confidence) Carlson is on the ice, the other d-man and wings have to be particularly alert. This is the style the Caps play - high risk, but potentially high reward. Everyone has to be alert for it to work, but these guys are pros and should be able to handle it.

Posted by: zmega | March 18, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I like ShaMo. I was very vocal about him at the start of the season. Then he got injured and when he came back he wasn't the same at all.

He had a great game a few days ago. Forgot which one it was.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton - those look like pretty solid assessments of our D as they shape up now. Green is playing harder but he still coughs it up at terrible times on occasion. Sarge is a decent passer, but he needs to win many more loose puck battles and bang guys much more. And he's still very vulnerable against quick guys - ie., almost any top-6 forward on a playoff team. No idea where PJ Maguire got the notion that he's "some type of nasty," btw. I do like ShaMo and Carlson a lot, and would definitely like to see Carlson consistently in the lineup - he just gets better with every single game. He's already better than Jose Corvo. Jose is definitely a winger - makes questionable decisions with the puck, and for all his vaunted foot-speed he sure seems to get worked in his own end.

Our D has been an issue for 3 years running, and Corvo ain't the answer.

Posted by: govtimbo | March 18, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, did somebody compare Mike Green to Brian Leetch?! I like Greenie but c'mon now, that is insane.

Posted by: govtimbo | March 18, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Yup, and even though there are fans that come on here and imply that players just don't care need to read that article. Sounds like someone who's really growing as a player.

Also, for everyone that dissects our team I have some number for you:

47 14 9 103

Teams that have no defense are not this successful in the regular season or playoffs. I know the playoffs are tighter but this young group gained a lot of experience the last two years. Schultz being in the line-up for this year's playoffs already makes us a better team. I guarantee a majority of the teams in the league would like to have our personnel issues.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Biggest thing to look for tonight - whether Varlamov is improving.

Posted by: zmega | March 18, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Mark Messier said he'd never seen anyone play better hockey than Brian Leetch did in '94 when he won the Conn Smythe and the Rangers won the cup, breaking a red sox-like drought.

Noone's saying Green doesn't care - at least I'm certainly not, I like him a lot - but comparing him to Leetch is just crazy.

Posted by: govtimbo | March 18, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't think our defense is as big a problem as the media and other fans make it out to be, but it is still our weak point.

Isn't it great though? Last year, we had problems with offense and defense. We had no one willing to do the dirty work and take a cross-check or two to be that screen. This year, the only problem is on our defense, so in that sense, we have less to worry about. I don't think our goaltending is a problem at all.

As far as the PK goes, yeah it's bad, but I think it can work itself out.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

whether Varlamov is improving.

Posted by: zmega | March 18, 2010 1:21 PM |

I am still extremely optimistic about this.

This back to the start of this season..he won his first few games sure, but he looked horrible in them. I called him out on it, and that's when me and fanohock1 got into our little scuffle. Next thing we know, Varlamov is playing lights out hockey. He was top 5 in the league in both save % and GAA before his injury in the Tampa Bay shutout.

I think Varlamov is just one of those goalies that needs a few games to find his groove, ala Luongo.

Go Varly.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

This is supposed to be Think....

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I just don't get how powerless the Caps and McPhee appear to be in this situation. If this was Toronto, Brian Burke would be all over the news and he'd curry some favor because of it. There's a time to fly below radar, and there's a time to be more vocal. McPhee and the Caps are just bending over and taking it without much of a fight. I don't like it. McPhee's been a mouse his entire tenure here when it comes to league matters and it hasn't helped us one bit. I can understand if his meekness resulted in some benefit but I don't see any.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 12:04 PM


@ cstanton1: I respectfully disagree. GMGM's staunch support for this team off-camera (as it were) is well-documented-- He has gone to the mat for the Caps players in the past...in a way many of us wish he still would.

Problem is, when he did, he paid for it. Big time. Below is one of the news items regarding the situation I mentioned in my earlier post on this thread.

(from http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1P2-628480.html ):

McPhee Suspended 1 Month; GM Also Fined $20,000 For Striking Coach

The Washington Post | October 1, 1999 | Jason La Canfora

Washington Capitals General Manager George McPhee yesterday was handed one of the steepest disciplinary actions in NHL history when the league suspended him for one month without pay and fined him $20,000 for striking Chicago Blackhawks Coach Lorne Molleken after a preseason game Saturday night.

Under the terms of the suspension, McPhee may not attend any NHL games or practices and is restricted from conducting business with members of any NHL organization, including Washington's. A league source conceded it will be difficult, at best, to monitor McPhee's dealings within the team

The point I'm trying to make is that it will be useless for the Caps organization to start a PR war with the NHL brass: those guys are awfully high-handed when confronted by public criticism from within the League.

I'm not saying GMGM/the Caps front office shouldn't do anything. I'm just saying that:

1) If they are doing/saying anything in protest, it's behind closed doors, and
2) Being more vocal on the public stage public would do no good.

The best revenge Caps could get will be to win the Stanley Cup in spite of all the roadblocks thrown in their path by those Keystone Kops in Toronto.

Posted by: Rhino40 | March 18, 2010 1:31 PM | Report abuse

no guarantee that our defense is better this year than in past yrs. It really all depends on who Bruce decides to play. If you have Poti and Corvo in the lineup, that's a weaker defensive lineup. Maybe one of the two, but not both. Maybe ShaMo sits, who knows what Bruce will do. You may have one game where Mo AND Erskine both sit. That would be a tough game to watch.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't think our defense is as big a problem as the media and other fans make it out to be, but it is still our weak point.

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And this is supposed to say "not as big as a problem"...

Yeah, okay, I think it's time for my late lunch. Brain not functioning.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

No wait...it was right the first time. Double negative.

Haha...Okay, I'm done with the internet for today folks. See ya tonight.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 18, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Mark Messier said he'd never seen anyone play better hockey than Brian Leetch did in '94 when he won the Conn Smythe and the Rangers won the cup, breaking a red sox-like drought.

Noone's saying Green doesn't care - at least I'm certainly not, I like him a lot - but comparing him to Leetch is just crazy.

Posted by: govtimbo | March 18, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Green has the ability to be as good as Leetch. Leetch also had the benefit of a great defensive partner that complemented him perfectly in Jeff Beukeboom. Neil Smith made that happen. McPhee should do a better job of adding better defensive defensemen to our lineup as well.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Schultz being in the line-up for this year's playoffs already makes us a better team. I guarantee a majority of the teams in the league would like to have our personnel issues.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 18, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Another part of this is who we dress at forward. If we dress a lineup that is better suited to a hard forecheck, that protects our D a bit more. There's a ton of variables at play. But from a personnel standpoint on D, we're not as good as we should and could be. I didn't for a moment think our big deadline prize would be Joe Corvo. We may as well have just cloned Mike Green and removed 50% of his strength.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 18, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1...I think you are living in the past with your defensive d-man wishes...I too have always like the old days when the Caps had Langway and Stevns crushing the other teams' forwards, but the rules and the game have changed...a guy like Beukeboom would not be as effective in today's NHL as he was in the 90's...there are not too many really good d-man out there anymore, there are more offensive chances in the o-zone because of the rule changes on restraining infractions...it should tighten up in the playoffs, and I hope Schultz can keep progressing

Posted by: boomer44 | March 18, 2010 1:55 PM | Report abuse

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