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Bourque: 'I'm Excited and Sad'

Chris Bourque just emerged from the Caps' dressing room at KCI carrying about a dozen sticks and a red hockey bag over his shoulder. All he could do was shake his head. Indeed, it's been a crazy 48 hours for the 2004 second-round draft pick, who made the Caps out of camp, then was waived because of salary cap issues, then just before noon was claimed by the rival Penguins.

"I'm excited and sad at the same time," Bourque said. "The organization has done so much for me, whether it was in Hershey or Washington. I won two Calder Cups in Hershey and scored my first NHL goal in Washington. Some of my best memories playing hockey have been in this organization. At the same time, I'm excited to get a chance with Pittsburgh. They won the Stanley Cup last year and they'll be raising the banner Friday night [against the Rangers.] That will be fun. Hopefully, I can stick with the big club the whole season."

The Penguins claimed Bourque to replace Paul Bissonnette, who was picked up off the wire by Phoenix.

"I told him I have good news and bad news," Boudreau said of his brief meeting with Bourque after practice to inform him of the situation. "The good news you're playing in the NHL this week. The bad news is, unfortunately, it's not going to be with us."

With Bourque gone, the Caps will call up Boyd Kane. He's expected to skate on the fourth line with Boyd Gordon and Matt Bradley. Quintin Laing, meantime, will be promoted to the third line with David Steckel and Chris Clark.

Bourque said he was not expecting to be claimed, but that it doesn't surprise him that Pittsburgh took a chance on him.

"I always had my best success in the minors was against the Wilkes Barre Penguins," Bourque said. "I always put up points against them, obviously I played against [Pittsburgh Coach Dan Bylsma] so he knows how I play."

One more note: Michael Neuvirth was reassigned to Hershey today. Boudreau said the goalie has declared himself healthy and "ready to go". He also told Boudreau: "I'll be back."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  September 30, 2009; 1:08 PM ET
 
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Comments

Puck Fittsburgh

Posted by: griz0615 | September 30, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

such is the business side of pro sports. best of luck CB and I hope we don't rue the day we let you go.

Posted by: ccape1 | September 30, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

"I'll be back!" I like that attitude. This kid as good if not better than Varly.

Posted by: CodePoetry | September 30, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

repost:

If the pens send Bourque to the w/b baby pens, doesn't that expose him again? We could pick him for the Bears, I think.

Posted by: uncatim | September 30, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

Of all the teams to put in a waiver claim its the dreaded Pens. They seem to like to collect our players. It's sad that all the other 28 teams passed on him and he falls in their lap free of charge after the Caps selected him with a second round pick and developed him for 4 years. Anyone else disgusted as I am?

Posted by: Riddler1 | September 30, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

What lines did Bourque and Laing play on at Hershey?

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

Quite disgusted! Almost speechless. Almost.

Posted by: CapsKH | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Add Bourque to the never ending list of players that now have good reason to bad mouth this second rate, classless organization.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

this sucks, this sucks, this sucks!!!!!!!! NOW CAN I BE MAD, AM I ALLOWED NOW??????!!!!

Good luck in Pittsburgh, hope they treat you better then we did!

Posted by: capsfan387 | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Yawn...lets talk about something thats actually important. Like the Bruins game tomorrow and our home opener.

no more bourque talk please...the kid has gotten way too much attention.

Posted by: ThePat | September 30, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Well, whatta ya do. Borque is gone, Kane is here, and Laing got promoted. All in all, I think it's a good day to be a Caps fan. Season starts tomorrow.

Only 1 more sleep.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Haha wow, everyone is certainly amped up over this situation. This must be what it was like in Edmonton the day Gretzky got traded to Los Angeles.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Gd-Dmnd Pequins!

www.die_pens_die.com

The paranoid in me feels compelled to ask WHY Pittsburgh grabbed Bourque at the last possible instant, when the other 20+ NHL teams did not. Was this nothing more than the Pens' seizing another opportunity to stick it to us...in every way possible?

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Wow this is a bad day! But life will go on

Posted by: RedRocker | September 30, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

this is sad. I blame Nylander

Posted by: arcassells | September 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

I agree with ThePat and Fro. Let's move on and focus on the positive - we've got a great team and the season is about to start! I'm excited for tomorrow, and I can't wait to rock the red at the game on Saturday. Let's go Caps!

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody here know what lines Bourque and Laing played on at Hershey?

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 30, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Well that didn't really work out too good. It could be good for Bourque if he gets to stay in the NHL longer than a couple of weeks.

Posted by: Stu_c | September 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

"no more bourque talk please...the kid has gotten way too much attention. "

Yes. I agree.

In general, those who have been caps fans since before the Ovechkin era really need to step back and "un-learn" what they think makes this team great.

There's a famous quote from Sparky Anderson when he was managing the Big Red machine, where he said something to the team on the first day of spring training to the effect of "Pete Rose, Tony Perez, Joe Morgan, and johnny bench are superstars. The rest of you are all maggots."

OV, Semin, Green, Backstrom and maybe Varlamov are superstars. Of the remainder, Laich, Steckel, and Poti are something more than the proverbial maggots. Everyone else on the team, despite how much we love them are the proverbial maggots and can be easily replaced.

And just as a refresher, Zubrus, Heward, Pettinger, etc... were all maggots too. Stop wearing hteir jerseys to the games and forget about them.

Posted by: LesGrossman | September 30, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

this is sad. I blame Nylander

Posted by: arcassells

how could this possibly be nylanders fault?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

obviously GMGM did not sit in Cap-ology at the convention --
and anyone badmouthing Bourque -- seeing him play in Hershey --he may not be a great player but he makes others great and scores in the clutch -- just look what he did to make the team after taking an injury

Posted by: capsgary | September 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

"Add Bourque to the never ending list of players that now have good reason to bad mouth this second rate, classless organization."

Haha, that's funny... There is always a reason a reason for doing things.

Posted by: _828 | September 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Too Small!!! He is too small....It was our only option with the cap..it's the way the business is...

We move on....We will be fine....

Posted by: SA-Town | September 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@capsgary

What lines did Bourque and Laing play on at Hershey?

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 30, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

Question: is Bourque playing on the Pens team or for their AHL team? Not clear to me.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | September 30, 2009 1:55 PM | Report abuse

Why don't the Caps just buy-out Nylander already he is a drag on the cap and the team. Guys like Alzner and now Borque are either languishing the minors or getting waived because of his contract.

Posted by: ms1indc | September 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anybody here know what lines Bourque and Laing played on at Hershey?

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 30, 2009
-----------------------------
In Hershey the top line was Mink-Aucoin-Giroux. Osala-Perreault-Bouchard was usually fourth line. Beyond that there wasn't much continuity to the lines. Bourque usually played the point on PP. Laing, obviously, played alot of PK.

Posted by: tess2201 | September 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

This looks pretty bad. He should have at least been given a real shot. He definitely earned it. You gotta be kidding me that we are playing Laing on the third line now. What a joke. And we keep an 8th defenseman in Sloan who has no future here. And worst of all Pit. gets him. Maybe they're just a better managed team. I like a lot of things about GMGM but he really pulls some stupid crap sometimes. This falls in that category. Very disappointed in the way they handled Bourque's development. Especially when at this moment there should be a clear opportunity for him on the team.

Posted by: ParticipatoryDemocracyNow | September 30, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Geez though I am ready for this season to start FINALLY!!!

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | September 30, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

i agree, pens did this strictly out of spite. bourque won't be with them all year.

Posted by: smkinjersey | September 30, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Saturday night is gonna be awesome. Although, I look foward to the away games as much as I do the home games- as the beer/food/bathroom lines in my basement are much shorter.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

bourque has to be on the nhl squad for a period of time or they would have to put him on waivers right away. not sure how much time he has to be up w/ the big pens.

any when assigning blame, why not blame jurcina. if he hadn't taken the caps to arbitration, we could have afforded bourque and nylander. i mean really, none of the players are to blame here....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

ms1indc:
the buyout date has come and gone already. even if they did buy him out when the had the chance - there would be a cap hit for the next 4 yrs - this would not have been a good move with needing to resign semin and backs. besides the NMC is not in effect for the last year of nlys contract and that year is for $3M. assuming nlys doesn't play this year at all (GMGM's decision not BB's - IMO) he might look attractive to other teams having had time to fully recover from injuries and really hasn't had any 'wear and tear' lately. his big cap hit s*cks (through no fault of his own) but riding it out seems like the best route to go now.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

i've got DIRECTV and the first two games are on Versus. And Bettman has done nothing to help settle that dispute. He's useless.

Posted by: smkinjersey | September 30, 2009 2:05 PM | Report abuse

Also, Cam Ward just signed a 6 year extension worth $37.8 million.
Well done Cam.

http://tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=293156

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@smkinjersey

you are wrong. Bettman and the NHL are pressuring both Versus and DirecTV to make a deal. He can't force them too....some of the people that post on here should think before they write.

Posted by: ThePat | September 30, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Oy Vay people...

Do you think the SC winning team and a well run team at that did this for spite? Professional GMs do not run teams that way. Think, people...

CB is a borderline NHL player who may (or may not) make it in this league. The Caps knew that putting him on waivers could result this way so they knew what they were doing and are moving on. Boyd Kane is obviously a stop gap for the time being.

Let's let the Pros run the team and if you think you can do better, turn off your computer and go take some sports management classes and then climb your way up the ladder. If you do that, i say good luck, but it isn't as easy as it seems and you, the average fan doesn't know half of what it takes to run a team and organization.

Please stop it...

Posted by: NJNJ | September 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Good luck in Pittsburgh, hope they treat you better then we did!

Posted by: capsfan387 | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM

How did the CAps MISTREAT him? The Caps gave him a shot, he took it and was going to make it. How is that bad for him?

Bad for YOU, yes because the object of your crush is gone. It wasn't the team's faul.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 2:08 PM | Report abuse

Add Bourque to the never ending list of players that now have good reason to bad mouth this second rate, classless organization.


Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

yes, as you can clealy read in tariks posting, borque has nothing good to say about this organization. do you realize they didnt have to give him an offer sheet this season? they could have cut him loose after last season. he would have been lucky to get an nhl minimum contract. real classless. poor kid has to start the season w/ the stanley cup champs...boo hoo.

please continue on with the list of badmouthing players. include equipement managers too...

lets see, hunter..no i saw him at kettler last year...bondra, nope him too....jagr, hopefully. please enlighten us.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I don't think what happened to Bourque had anything to do with a poorly run organization. Unless you, Participatory Democracy Now, have ever run a professional sports organization, you have no business chastising McPhee or the Capitals organization. Sad sack of sh*t.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | September 30, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I think it's good for CB. However, i'm a bit disappointed we were not able to make some moves this summer. I can think of some teams in need of players like CB or some of our "veteran" Defenseman that we could have packaged for some picks at least.

Instead, we get nothing in return, and have as many as 3 NHL ready defensemen sitting around. I guess it's good to have depth, but at what cost? Being so close to the cap, we have very few other options.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | September 30, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Best of luck to Bourque in his new home... except against the Caps.

Now... can we move on, stop assigning blame, and get to what is NOW the important stuff? Like Thursday in Boston and Saturday at home?

Or are we gonna spend the rest of the week spoiling the start of the season, alternatively hating McPhee, Nylander, and anyone else we decide we hate, and waste all that energy that should be going to support the team on something negative?

Posted by: irockthered | September 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

yea....THANKS NYLANDER

Posted by: hockeypunk | September 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Bourque is a prospect with head issues. He's a hit away from another concussion. After his 10 days in the NHL he'll be back in the A.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The worst part of all of this was that he just got to take a the team photo too.

Posted by: j3rockstar | September 30, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

And just as a refresher, Zubrus, Heward, Pettinger, etc... were all maggots too. Stop wearing hteir jerseys to the games and forget about them.

Posted by: LesGrossman | September 30, 2009 1:46 PM


@ LesGrossman:

I respectfully disagree with some of your citations.

Zubrus was a serviceable forward and good stick-handler with solid faceoff numbers. Also, the ladies loved his matinee-idol looks.

Heward was a gutsy blueliner with a solid work ethic, who had the misfortune to suffer devastating injuries.

Just because neither of them scored 50 goals in a season does not make the "maggots"

Pettinger, on the other hand: not so much. I found him to be somewhat mediocre.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Cheef: Shut the heck up. Opinions are fine your desire to find every reason to trash the Capitals is f'in old. If you don't like the Caps don't pay attention to them. You are one of the idiots that will say "it's about time" when the Caps do win the Cup in the next few years. They WILL win the Cup too. If they don't win it within the next 3 years, track me down on here and I will give you all 4 of my season ticket seats for 5 games of your choosing. I swear! So if they don't win the Cup by the end of the 2012-13 season, you get 20 free tickets!

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 30, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

wasnt there a story last week about gmgm telling bourque they wouldnt send him back to hersehy until they shopped him? Guess gmgm forgot to put a price tag on CB? A 2nd rounder for $0 merry earlier xmas pens

Posted by: wendel2 | September 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

I blame Jesus, Mary, and Joseph along with Moses for losing Bourque to the Pens.....give me a break people!!!

Posted by: PhilR | September 30, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

yea....THANKS NYLANDER

Posted by: hockeypunk | September 30, 2009 2:10 PM

THIS JUST IN!!!

Nylander (no movement clause) is the ONLY player on the Caps roster that's getting paid! All the others are playing for the fun of it.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Neuvy has a little spark in em...i like that

Posted by: djotroy17 | September 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind folks the only reason the Pens picked him up so late to the deadline is because waiver wire acquisitions go in the same order as the current year's draft. That means the Pens had the last crack at him. Who knows, they might have decided they were taking him if he was still available as soon as he went on yesterday at noon.

The Caps will be fine without Chris Bourque. If nothing else that gives another ECHLer a shot to play with Hershey this season and develop.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Bourque is a prospect with head issues. He's a hit away from another concussion. After his 10 days in the NHL he'll be back in the A.

Posted by: Greg S

This is assuming he plays. The Pens have 14 forwards. Really, this was a middle finger to GMGM from Ray Shero, because the Pens have the room right now to hold his minuscule salary at the NHL level and healthy scratch him. I didn't know the Pens/Caps rivalry went up to the GM level until now.

The telling factor will be whether GMGM nabs him on waivers after the Pens inevitably send him down for the cap room. If he doesn't, then arguably Bourque wasn't worth fussing over.

Just to state the obvious (that is escaping some people) - we haven't lost anything unless Bourque plays the next few games in the NHL and suddenly becomes the next Martin St. Louis. When he doesn't and gets sent down, we can decide to take another look at him.

Posted by: Raber | September 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I actually blame Ovie. After all, he's the only one making NINE MILLION a year! Greedy bum!

And eveyone knows that JT isn't worth his paycheck. Neither is Schultz, Gordo......

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

none of the players are to blame here....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1

nice to see somebody else gets this.

maybe we should blame all cap issues now through 2020/21 on Ovi - how dare he take up $9.5M+ a yr in cap space - selfish, selfish, selfish ...

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. Whose cruel joke is this? I wish it were April fools day, the flip flopping on this is unreal.

I'm giving nyls one more year to make it back. He's been beat up mentally, so maybe he'll come out swinging. Same for Flash...

Posted by: mrszilla | September 30, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat:

some people should get their facts straight before judging what others say. You might want to check the articles, etc. Bettman has made several statements damning DIRECTV for this mess. he's not on the fence. and as we all know, he's never been very good at mediating disputes, he's a "my way or the highway" guy and that's why the players can't stand him and fired Kelly for being too cozy with him. so yeah, I think you're wrong.

Posted by: smkinjersey | September 30, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

I know. He isn't the next coming of Ovie. I just don't get the furor over him. Not this amount at least.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

PhilR,

you are better off blaming GMGM, BB, Nylander and the Pens....at least they all exist.

Posted by: griz0615 | September 30, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

let me just say that as a long time fan, i love to see the reaction to this move (for/against, logical/crazy, etc). just a few short years ago, the waiver of a career AHL'er with 1 more NHL goal than me would not have made a ripple in the sports landscape. now look at us...all worked up over it. yeah us!

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

One last thing on Nyls. I don't know if he's tried this already but maybe he could bring BB and GMGM in a room and just ask for a clean slate and legit shot. Maybe he can agree to retire after the season if he doesn't prove his worth. I don't know, I just have a feeling he's got more in the tank.

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 30, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Greg S.:
damn - you beat me to it - i knew i shouldn't have proof read before i hit submit

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It's unfortunate (and a bit predictable) that CB was going to be picked up by the Pens, but it’s not the end of the world – yet, if CB becomes an all-star overnight. Let's see how the season unfolds before going all ballistic over a fourth liner.

Posted by: ImWithStupid | September 30, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Marcus Johansson and Farjestad playing on Caps365 vs Detroit right now: http://capitals.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=616&id=47589

It's the 2nd period intermission. Detroit is up 4-1.

Johansson is #90.

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 30, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's a position thing -- but why bring up this guy no one knows? If they have to dump Bourque, why not keep one of the last two guys to get cut, Aucoin or Giroux? Wouldn't one of them, who lasted longer in camp, be better than Kane?

Posted by: jhamond1 | September 30, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

fanohock1:
i like that idea. i just can't believe that the caps can't find some skills of nlys that can be utilized. he is not the worst forward on the team.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

@smkinjersey

I know Bettman supports Versus over DirecTV but he is pressuring both parties to get a deal done. He has no choice but to support Versus.

As is the NCAA, the Mountain West Conference, the Big 12 and the Pac 10. This isn't an incident strictly NHL related. There is pressure from everywhere on both Versus and DirecTV to get a deal done.

Posted by: ThePat | September 30, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the drama. We've dropped one of our hopefuls but there are others. Looking forward to seeing the Caps play tomorrow night, with Nyls apparently, and being in the seats on Sat.

We may see a move yet -- there are 8 D on the roster and one could go -- the Neuvy send-down is completed. But we've got a pretty good team with another year of maturation for a mess of kids who are under 25. I like our chances.

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

For those of you that think GMGM and Boudreau are incompetent, you are complete and total morons. This is what a hockey publication had to say about Bourque "has shown some flashes, but may ultimately not have what it takes to reach his potential."
These guys have raised the Capitals to the level of Stanley Cup contender. If they haven't done a good job then I don't know who has. Complete idiocy.

Posted by: croftonpost | September 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh well - sorry to see the little squirt go...you know he will score the series winning goal against us in June- murphy's law-karma-etc.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | September 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

This is not about Bourque.

This is about bad business, bad character, all on the part of the Caps.

The Caps will NEVER win a Stanley Cup with McFee.

Maybe Nylander can play D.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Nylander for Kostitsyn straight up.

Posted by: patrone | September 30, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons he was put on waivers was because the Caps were a little above the cap.(i.e Nylander's huge contract)

Posted by: arcassells | September 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

jhamond1:
i'm guessing they're choosing size - kane is 6'2" 229 lbs. and played for BB in hershey

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh man, the biggest troll of all rears his ugly head for the first time this season. Welcome back Cheef....all we need now is StanleyCup1907 and all will be right with this blog once more.

Posted by: PhilR | September 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Cheef:
you do realize that no one cares about the hatred you spew from your fingertips

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons he was put on waivers was because the Caps were a little above the cap.(i.e Nylander's huge contract)

Posted by: arcassells | September 30, 2009 2:45 PM

And Ovies even huger one. Don't forget Semin's either. He makes $5M a year - only $500K less than Nylander (no movement clause).

Look folks. The cap sucks. We get it. Nylander accepted a trade to Chicago last year, but Chicago backed out at the last minute.

Don't hang this around his neck.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

This is not about Bourque.

This is about bad business, bad character, all on the part of the Caps.

The Caps will NEVER win a Stanley Cup with McFee.

Maybe Nylander can play D.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

more straw man arguements from our man cheef. notice he never provides any real meat to back up his statements? doesnt say which former caps bad mouth the team. doesnt talk about what constitutes bad character..just lobs incoherent bombs when something goes awry (and i use the term going awry in this case loosely cause it's not really a big deal).

at least suggesting that the caps will never win a cup w/ GMGM has some basis in fact. they have not yet won one with him, and may never do so. i wouldn't bet on it though.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Nylander for Kostitsyn straight up.

Posted by: patrone

Haha, it's a joke right? You are talking about the guy who showed up in terrible condition for pre-season and missed the boss to a pre-season game? The guy who was involved with a member of the Italian mafia last year who was using Kostitsyn's credit card to buy hookers and dope? The guys who was photographed drunk in a bar at 3 am the night before a game?
yes, we really need Sergei Kostitsyn...

Posted by: atybat | September 30, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@all:

I concede that $9.5 Million/year is a ridiculous amount of money for a man of 24 to make.

But consider the stakes. Ovi is a once-in-a-generation hockey player, and GMGM (understandably) wanted to make dead-certain that OV remained OURS for the most productive part of his career. I don't blame him one bit for spending the $$$--do you?

Perhaps you'd rather see him wearing Black and Yellow? or Bleu-Blanc-et-Rouge? Or maybe even a certain winged wheel?

Didn't think so.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

jhamond1,
If we brought Aucoin or Giroux back up, they would be exposed at 1/2 their salary on re-entry waivers.

Posted by: _Mark | September 30, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Geez - don't get so worked up over a 5'8" 170lbs forward. I liked the kid, but it's not like we lost an NHLer. Chill folks - season hasn't even started yet!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | September 30, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Are you kidding me ?? Substance ??

Here are just a couple guys:

Jagr
Witt
Kolzig
Nylander
Bourque

There are a boat load more, they just don't go as public like the guys above.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

OK Cheef,
You say Bourque is bad mouthing the team? Link?

Posted by: _Mark | September 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

"link"

Grow up, guy gets royally screwed and you want a link.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Sean Avery just tweeted: Pens are in love with the Caps ****** seconds!

Nylander is the luckiest guy in the world. Paid $4.5 mil a year to sit in the stands and watch the Caps play. I'm jealous!

Posted by: TheLeaver | September 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40:
i guess the sarcasm in my posts about ovi salary didn't come through. he is worth every penny as he can fill the stands with paying customers. some have blamed the cb waving on nyls - there are almost 50 other contracts on the caps that had to be taken into account before making the decision to wave him.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Cheef,

Those first four don't exactly make your case. They demolish your case. Bourque has had nothing but good things to say about the Caps thus far.

You're an idiot if you think GMGM is incompetent. Hockey people certainly don't agree with you. Maybe you could get some of the morons at 980 that know nothing about hockey to agree with you but I doubt that as well.

Posted by: croftonpost | September 30, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Everyone is complaining and saying don't get worked up over chris bourque he's 5'8" yada yada.

That's not why they're upset! A true Caps fan is upset because he went to the freakin' PENGUINS! Are you kidding me? He's probably going to be a really good NHLer, he's got it in his bloodlines. and We're also mad, that we gave him up because of Nyls, who BTW we're not playing tomorrow... we're playing boyd.freaking.kane.

That's why people are upset. Be a true caps fan, it's the penguins for crying out loud.

Posted by: iastdon | September 30, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Cheef, did you even read the start of this blog? Bourque was quite classy and had very nice things to say about the Caps and Bears organization.

Did he call you afterward to express something different?

It is an absolute bummer that he is gone, but you would use the wind blowing the wrong way to find fault in GMGM. Go away.

Posted by: _Mark | September 30, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

ps.

He'll end up scoring the Game Winner in the playoffs for them against us.

karma is going to say hello.

Posted by: iastdon | September 30, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Bourque came out fine, Cheef. He's going to get his dream turn to reality by playing in the NHL. Not only that, but on the SC Champs team.

He got screwed exactly how?

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

thats hardly a "never ending list" considering this team has had 36 years of players...

and i could care less what jagr has to say about the team that made him the highest paid player in the league and ate a big s sandwich so he could play on broadway and become league mvp.

please enlighted us as to the "boat load" of others. nobody knows who you are. all talk, no substance.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

iastdon,
the only game winning playoff goal bourque is going to score is for wilkes barre.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

If we weren't carrying Nylander and his contract, Bourque would not have to be put on waivers!!! gggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Posted by: kthhken | September 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Sure, believe what you read and what he says into a microphone.

You people are ridiculous if you think a guy gets told he's in, only to be waived 5 minutes later, & won't be left with a bad taste.

This is hilarious, arguing over a guy getting screwed so blatantly.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

I really hate that Nylander guy. Really just hate him. Want him gone. Gone now.

Posted by: bseastwood | September 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Troll (definition): someone who posts controversial, inflammatory, irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, chat room or blog, with the primary intent of provoking other users into an emotional response or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.

How to deal with trolls: Do Not Respond to them -- your responses, particularly and emotional one, is all they want.

Don't re-post, name, or otherwise respond to such idiots. It's a waste of time. The season's just starting, so let's develop some good habits. Please!

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Cheef:
you appear to know nothing of how business works. business decisions are made (right or wrong) based on information that is currently available and what you believe can/will happen in the future. you make it sound like GMGM is out to scr*w players over. if that were true - how could you explain players wanting to come play for the caps? i don't think kolzig was treated very kindly just before he left for TB - but face it - he was not the kolzig of years past and did not fit into the long range plans of having a cup contending team. you should try just enjoying the team if you really are a caps fan.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

The bonus? If YOU don't respond, they go away!

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask - amen!

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Don't feed trolls. More will come if they think there's food.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | September 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

I guess a man's word means nothing ?

They told him he's in, then screwed him.
All because the Caps can't count.

No honor or class displayed (once again) by the Caps.

Gutless

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Everyone who is keeping up with current events realizes that the Caps have been trying, since the start of training camp, to move Nylander. His cap hit is large, but if we were really worried about the cap right now, we would have moved Theodore. GMGM knows that Theodore was a stopgap and will not be re-signed after this season. That free cap space will help keep Nicky or Semin in DC. Also, with the Forsberg rumor still floating around, who knows how much space there really is on this roster. It's pretty tight considering the AHL's leading scorer can't even crack lineup.

Posted by: dkw9s1 | September 30, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask

You beat me to it.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | September 30, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Can't wait for tomorrow night!

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

If you can't deliver on your word, go out of business.

McPhee has blown it so many times, you'd think he was in the Gov.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Sonyask:
i tend to believe that even an idiot troll has some chance to engage in a rational debate/conversation - but that's just me - and i have been known to be wrong

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Caps are paper thin, Ovechkin goes down for 20+ games and kiss the season goodbye.

It's only a matter of time, every player goes through injury.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40:
i guess the sarcasm in my posts about ovi salary didn't come through. he is worth every penny as he can fill the stands with paying customers. some have blamed the cb waving on nyls - there are almost 50 other contracts on the caps that had to be taken into account before making the decision to wave him.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:05 PM


@ Capt_Kirk_in_AZ:

Sorry 'bout that, Cap'n--no offense intended; I still think that if Nylander (No Movement Clause) can't be moved, he should be played. As I see it, these are the possible outcomes:

1) Nylander (No Movement Clause) has a career year and we make the playoffs
2) Nylander (No Movement Clause) has a terrible year and we make the playoffs
3) Nylander (No Movement Clause) gets injured and we make the playoffs.
4) Any or all of the above happens and we don't make the playoffs (God Forbid). If that were to happen, then IMHO it would not be the fault of Nylander (No Movement Clause) alone.

In most of these scenarios, a Nylander (No Movement Clause) on the Ice can almost certainly contribute more positives than a Nylander (No Movement Clause) riding the pine.

'nuff said!

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Another cool thing to remember. Usually if you call out these low-lifes they try that much harder to provoke a response. It's kind of fun to watch, but it's only temporary if folks don't take the idiot's bait.

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

The posts on this thread have become insufferable. Any chance we can get a new thread- perhaps that will get people to post about someting that actually has some meaning- like, say, the damn game that's being played tomorrow?

I suppose that's not really important though...

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40

You really blaming Nylander ? You are kidding ?

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

@ Cheef:

_Mark is right: GO.AWAY.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Cheef is just a typical online jerk off know it all who has no clue how the big boy world works. Ignore him until he learns to properly troll and be funny or just leaves.

Posted by: trunkenmath | September 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Whatever you do, don't acknowledge that the GM is an utter failure and disgrace.

Make sure to blame everyone else for the GM's actions.

Wow, you "people" are trained pretty well

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

I guess a man's word means nothing ?

They told him he's in, then screwed him.
All because the Caps can't count.

No honor or class displayed (once again) by the Caps.

Gutless

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

so by your logic, nobody should ever be sent down or cut. i mean, if they are told they are on the team should the team do the nice thing and keep them there?

sports is a business. and the caps CAN count. obviously they knew they were over the cap at the time and hoped to have made a deal w/ nylander or someone else so they didnt have to put him through waivers. they also waited until the busiest day to try and sneak him through...and define screwed. so he wont get to eat dinner at dad's house. he gets to play w/ the stanley cup champs.. some screw job.

the only gutless people are those who lob anononmous, baseless acusations w/ no basis in fact.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Tomorrow night's game should be great, and I am so excited for Saturday! I went to one of the preseason games, and it was great just to be back in the arena and see the boys on the ice again; I can't wait to be there Saturday, when the game actually counts and the place will be packed and rockin'!

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Don't feed trolls. More will come if they think there's food.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | September 30, 2009 3:17 PM


@SmallZ827:

The only thing I feed to Trolls is...napalm. Served hot. Very hot.

*grins evilly and opens weapons locker to check anti-troll flamethrower*

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Oh well...

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

"sneak him through"

You're clueless.

They can't count, otherwise this doesn't happen.
Baseless ? He's gone isn't he, and not by choice.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Who hits harder, Lucic or Ovechkin? Objective answers if possible.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

If we weren't carrying Nylander and his contract, Bourque would not have to be put on waivers!!! gggggggggggggrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr....

Posted by: kthhken | September 30, 2009 3:12 PM


Replace Nylander with any other Cap and you get to the same place. Gordon makes $761K. If we had that, Bourque is here. If Sloan weren't here, Bourque would be here.

Where do you want me to stop?

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Bourque is just an undersized energy guy who didnt always play that way in Hershey so I question if he couldve played that way fulltime as an NHLer.

But the Pens have done a good job with guys like Tyler Kennedy so maybe CBo can do well, i doubt it though. Once the Pens kids like Luca Caputi come into the lineup, goodbye Chris Bourque.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

This is hilarious, arguing over a guy getting screwed so blatantly.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:14 PM |


Yeah, it is hilarious because he didn't get screwed. He's playing.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Looking forward to seeing Ovi throw even more weight around this year.

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Justify everything or just the stupid mistakes made by the Caps ?

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Who hits harder, Lucic or Ovechkin? Objective answers if possible.---


Lucic is the heavier hitter. Ovechkin is the more explosive. I wonder who absorbs a hit better though...I saw Komisarek take a huge run at Lucic last year who never saw it coming, had his head down etc and yet Komisarek was the one who bounced off like a pebble. Ovy can really absorb a hit when he's ready for it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 30, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1:
you're right.
every player in the org knows the cap situation. if i recall cb choose to stay with the caps - he wasn't scr*wed over because he knew the possibilities when he stayed.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Looking forward to seeing Ovi throw even more weight around this year"

You should rethink that, he ends up hurt for 20 games and kiss the post season goodbye, they are paper thin.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Beat Boston - Let's go Caps!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | September 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

LET THE ANGST BEGIN!!!!!!!

ok so I'm a little late to the party...

Posted by: superpaqman | September 30, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

right, what Greg S. said. The kid is playing. He didn't get screwed in any way.

The only prob I have with the Nylander situation is it appears that the Caps mgmt doesn't let him know whats going on. He's said repeatedly he has no idea what is going on or how they feel about him because they haven't told him anything. Its getting played out embarassingly in the press. Same way it transpired with Eminger. That I agree with Cheef about, its a bad way to run an org.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if it's safe to say that Lucic hits harder because he is slightly more controlled in his hits. What I mean is, #8 can go absolutely flying at someone, but with a bit less control- so maybe doesn't connect the way he should. Whereas Lucic can time his hits better- thus causing more damage. And you're right about Lucic/Komi- as a matter of fact, Lucic pretty much owns Komi in every way possible.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjZbNtzsQFY

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

ok so I'm a little late to the party...

Posted by: superpaqman | September 30, 2009 3:40 PM |


Welcome to the party pal.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40

You really blaming Nylander ? You are kidding ?

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:26 PM


*Takes out anti-troll flamethrower*

You.Really.Don't.Want.To.Go.There.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

He was screwed.

He now has to pack up and attempt try and fit in with new team, after years paying his dues.

You people really think just because "he's playing" that the Caps didn't screw him?
Pathetic, becoming clear how GM has managed to escape accountability.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

"sneak him through"

You're clueless.

They can't count, otherwise this doesn't happen.
Baseless ? He's gone isn't he, and not by choice.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

sneak him through. as in, lots of players on waivers yesterday and teams were trying to figure out their rosters. a better chance of him not being picked up in the 24 hours as opposed to next week when there is less waiver activity and more likely that teams might be in a position to pick him up. even you can understand that.

and the team can count. the team needs to be at the cap by tomorrow. do you think they just did the math yesterday and determined they needed to shed salary? everyone on this board knew that needed to happen. they held onto him as long as they could before they had to make a move. what if they jettisoned him last week and then were able to move nylander or one of their d. that would have been stupid.

he's gone alright. gone to play for the stanley cup champs, for a few games anyway. this is sports, he doesnt get to say what happens to him...unless he's nylander i suppose.


Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

HEY!!!

A bunch of us are going to Union Jacks tomorrow to watch the Caps/Pens game at 7 pm in Ballston. If you are up for it come on down.

We will be the ones in Red or White.

#94

Posted by: numero94 | September 30, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1 = Naive.

That word applies to everyone trying to somehow justify this.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Add Bourque to the never ending list of players that now have good reason to bad mouth this second rate, classless organization.


Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Add me to the never ending list of posters that have good reason to bad mouth a second rate, classless poster like you.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | September 30, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

He was screwed.

He now has to pack up and attempt try and fit in with new team, after years paying his dues.

You people really think just because "he's playing" that the Caps didn't screw him?
Pathetic, becoming clear how GM has managed to escape accountability.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

ohhh, poor chris. has to pack his bags and buy a new penquins hat and make new friends. at least he has the puck from his first (and only) NHL goal to keep him warm.

by your logic, anyone who has ever been traded has been screwed.

you need to stop now because you are making your self sound dumber and dumber, if that's possible.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Actually Ovi once sent Lucic flying, I don't have a YouTube clip, you have to trust me on that :)

A lot of guys hit hard... until they meet Ovi...

Lucic is good fighter though.

Posted by: CodePoetry | September 30, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Well when Flash and Fehr come back, there will be less controversy. Boyd Kane who? Laing on the 3rd line is a waste, imho. Great grinder, great heart, a shot blocking machine, but not much offensive upside. I'd like to see him on the 4th sooner as opposed to later. Also more room for Osala to come up -- like his toughness near the goal and scoring touch

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | September 30, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

"by your logic, anyone who has ever been traded has been screwed."

No, just the guy that was told he made it and then 5 minutes later gets waived.

You're really stupid

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1 = Naive.

That word applies to everyone trying to somehow justify this.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

yeah, you got me. naive. what possible justification could there be for waiving such a dynamic young player such as chris bourque. he so good, 28 OTHER TEAMS PASSED HIM UP. FOR FREE! the freaking islanders passed him up and they have about $18M in cap space...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I liked the little that I saw of Osala. He's a big body and if he can learn to use it a little more- he'll be tough to play against.

@CodePoetry, I'll take your word for it, as I know Ovie can certainly dish it out.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Stanley Cup champs took him, I suppose you're willfully ignorant.

Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

OK. Schultz needs his head examined. There was a team building exercise - paint ball. Schultz shows up in shorts.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

becoming clear how idiot trolls maybe can't hold an intelligent conversation.
GMGM is by far from perfect, he tends not to divulge any useful information (this may or may not apply to his coaches or players - we just don't know) and seems to hold grudges (see nlys ("no movement clause")
some trolls think that caps fans are under some sort of mind control by GMGM just because he isn't the most hated man in D.C.
no matter how much you dislike GMGM - he (along with Ted) have put together an entertaining/winning/contending product.
you can't pick and choose someone's mistakes and label them a failure without appearing to be a blind idiot with the most negative attitude on the planit.
you so make me laugh - please, don't go away

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Who cares about Bourque and his dues? If he was that good, he would be on the team...suck it up..move on...we have PLENTY of players that can fill his 3rd or 4th line wing role...

Chief is Ray Bourque

Posted by: SA-Town | September 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

OK. Schultz needs his head examined. There was a team building exercise - paint ball. Schultz shows up in shorts.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 3:57 PM


Seriously?

Maybe this is part of his new toughness?
I kid.
I like #55

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Add Bourque to the never ending list of players that now have good reason to bad mouth this second rate, classless organization.


Posted by: Cheef | September 30, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Add me to the never ending list of posters that have good reason to bad mouth a second rate, classless poster like you.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | September 30, 2009 3:50 PM |

Well said, BetterOff!

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

As for who got the worst of it, both Varlamov and Semin offered their opinions:

Varlamov: "I think that John Erskine got hit the most. His pants were all covered in paint."

Semin: "I think it was Schultzie [Jeff Schultz]. He came to play dressed in shorts. I think he’s got lots of bruises."

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

@dkw9s1 - We did not move Theodore, because neither Varlamov nor Neuvirth is ready to be our #1 goalie yet. By the trade deadline, that might not be the case, but for the beginning of the season, Theodore remains our #1 goaltender.

Posted by: irockthered | September 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: lylewimbledon | September 30, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S. - Source? And that's just funny about Schultz in shorts! Silly wabbit!

Hey, look - a big distraction to get everyone off this STUPID KICK!

Posted by: irockthered | September 30, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"...caps fans are under some sort of mind control by GMGM just because he isn't the most hated man in D.C...."

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 3:57 PM

Dude, you so make ME laugh...but I'm laughing WITH you, not the other way around.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Chief is Ray Bourque

Posted by: SA-Town | September 30, 2009 3:59 PM

@ SA-Town: Sorry, but I must respectfully disagree: saying that Cheef is Ray Bourque is an insult to Ray Bourque.

Ray Bourque is a legendary blueliner. Cheef is...well...not.

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

6'6" and trying to paintball is not easy, or fun for that matter. There's always some part of your body exposed when you're trying to hide. And it's amazing how quicky someone can get 3 or 4 shots off to a small, exposed spot on the body in a matter of a second or 2.

Dude's gotta be hurting.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It is unfortunate how this went down, but these things happen. I wish Bourque luck.

I don't know what happened behind the scenes but I suspect things didn't play out the way the Caps had envisioned based on Boudreau's comments and their (Caps mgmt) actions. No one wants to lose a prospect for nothing. But, the bottom line is that he was just a prospect.

Bourque is small, but plays with passion, and he works hard etc. Those are things fans like and Americans like to root for the underdog. So, I can understand why some people are a little upset about this. But, there is no reason to blame Nylander.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | September 30, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hey, look - a big distraction to get everyone off this STUPID KICK!

Posted by: irockthered


Workin' on it! :)

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

The real issue seems to be that the waiver rules and the salary cap aren't compatible. In the next CBA they need to be adjusted so that teams have more opportunity to bring kids along without having to worry about losing them.

Posted by: ds_kelly | September 30, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy! We've reached critical mass on this thread. Yup, here we....it's...

WHARRGARBL

Posted by: SmallZ827 | September 30, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S. - thanks for posting about the paintball game. That's pretty funny about Schultz. I hope he's fully recovered by tomorrow night!

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

it's funny...Ovie and Semin go out and buy guns that do rapid fire and the rest of the team just take the rentals. The team's popping off 1 shot per second while Semin and Ovie are knocking off 15 per second.

Love that these guys look for the advantage in everything they're doing.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Okay, random and potentially dumb question from a not-very-tech-savvy newbie - how do you make text appear bold when you're posting a comment?

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Well said, BetterOff!

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse


Thank you.

OffTopic: I keep saying it, but I have to change my screen name soon. :)

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | September 30, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

team building excercizes like that just show what a classless organization the caps are. sounds like all those guys had a bad time and will be bad mouthing the team about it. i bet mcphee wont even pay for erskine's dry cleaning. i wonder if bourque was deemed tall enought to play?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Yeah BB's prior team-building exercises have really gone awry -- boy some people really need to think before writing

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | September 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Fro, thanks, and thanks again for the sweet Bruce Willis/Die Hard quote

Posted by: superpaqman | September 30, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

So glad you picked up on that. Would have hated for it to have been wasted.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 30, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

One of the reasons he was put on waivers was because the Caps were a little above the cap.(i.e Nylander's huge contract)

Posted by: arcassells | September 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Why does it have to be Nylanders contract? Why not OV's or Greens, or Semins?.....just saying.....

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | September 30, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Okay, random and potentially dumb question from a not-very-tech-savvy newbie - how do you make text appear bold when you're posting a comment?

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:19 PM

Use a type your words. Then do a

you'll end up with this

You can swap out the B with an I and get Italics.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Damn. Tried to be smart... I'll toss you a link. Hang on...

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Cheef,

Have you ever sat down and talked with any of the former players on your list who 'bad' mouth the team. Where do you get your wisdom from???

As for Bourqe, he hadn't really cracked the line-up other then an injury call up. I thought he always played hard, but who knows if he'll be the next St.Louis or Bust.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | September 30, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Just when I was done overreacting to Chase Daniel signing with the Saints practice squad I get something else served up to overreact to. Best of luck Chris.

Posted by: ouvan59 | September 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S. - thanks! :)

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

... cool, that worked. :)

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

hillg:
bold
any text you would like in bold needs the following before the text: <b>
and to turn bold off put this after your text: </b>
italics uses an i instead of a b

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

ouvan, good point. i think dc teams are biased against short athletes...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Got it. Thanks guys! Now back to your regularly scheduled arguing over who's to blame for our high-priced perpetual healthy scratch...

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Per Tarik:

"But here's the kicker: Bourque earns $577,500 and Kane earns $500,000. So that means the Caps were less than $77,500 over the cap yesterday."

What I don't get is, lets say CB wasn't picked up. Were we over the cap then? This makes no sense. You can't be over the cap period. BB was on record as saying that CB would have been in the lineup tomorrow night. In others words, I'm not buying what Tarik's selling. Nothing against Tarik but something between the Caps and Tarik's comments smells fishy here. They aren't on the same page is all.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | September 30, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Season's about to start and everyone decides it's a good idea to argue with an idiot. I'm sure you won't miss me, but it is such a senseless waste of time and I'm not going to wait to see how it comes out. No one wins in those circumstances.

For those of you who think it's a good idea to engage trolls, fine. Go ahead. But we've had good conversations here in recent weeks and this obviously is not one of them. If you feed trolls (name them, debate them, call them names, etc.) threads just devolve into garbage, as this one did.

Posted by: Sonyask | September 30, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

This is good. TSN reports that the judge in the Yotes bankrupcy case denied both the NHL and Balsille ownership.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

hillg:
don't you mean
... cool, that worked. :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

@ Cheef: I'm sorry to see you're back. I'm sorry to see you're still alive and kickin'. Sorry to see that the neighborhood kids' baseball didn't conk you on the head while you sat on your rocking chair on your front porch, threatening them with your cane.

Your opinion is as relevant to the Capitals and their fans now as the lava lamps and eight tracks of yesteryear.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | September 30, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

“In hockey parlance, the court is passing the puck to the NHL, who can decide to take another shot at the sale net or it can pass off the puck,” Judge Baum wrote.

Judge Baum threw out a bid by Jim Balsillie saying it could not succeed because he cannot properly satisfy the NHL’s rights regarding relocation.

“In the final analysis, the court cannot find or conclude that the interests of the NHL can be adequately protected if the Coyotes are moved to Hamilton without first having a final decision regarding the claimed rights of the NHL and the claims of the debtors and [Balsillie],” the judge ruled.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sports/judge-rejects-both-bids-for-coyotes/article1307436/

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

I did mean that! You are so right! ;)

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Clearly, I am way too easily amused...

Posted by: hillg | September 30, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

hahahahahaha Cheef hahaha Really? hahahaha what a joke. Seriously people, act like you've been on message boards before and don't feed the trolls. He and his ilk will go away if noone replies. Since it seems that Cheef only finds self-worth in being a rabble rousing contrarian, let us all take a step back, ignore him and his compatriots, and not assist him in fulfilling his life's dreams of being the center of attention. Then we can all send him a box of tissues to dry his eyes boo-hoo!

It's gonna be a long season, so the sooner everyone stops acknowledging him, the quicker he will return to the realm of anonymity and the more peaceful things will be in these parts. So, everyone please join with me in saying "Bye Cheef!" *waves good-bye*

Now, back to our regularly scheduled program...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S.

Looks like the Make-It-Seven-ers have another year to whine. But, man, you'd think they'd have resolved this by now. Back to square one! I wouldn't be surprised if they only put up 50 pts this year.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | September 30, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

So, summing up: Nylander (no movement clause) is insanely greedy for cashing his paycheck; GMGM is the anti-Christ for waiving a tweener to comply with the CBA; if you ever played for the Caps and then didn't, you gout Screwed; and feeding blowhard trolls doesn't make them go away.
That about it?

Posted by: redlineblue | September 30, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

I think they'll do ok.. They won't be on the bottom. I think Colorado will be there. They won't be in the playoffs either though. The players do have to play to get noticed and add value to the team. Hopefully, they'll be able to play as a team and not as a group of individuals.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 30, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

I would guess that both Nylander and the GM are working together to sort out the situation. To think the a GM is messing around with player or that a player, particularly like someone like Nyls, is being difficult for the sake of being difficult is pretty hard to believe. Nylander wants to play hockey and he doesn't fit here with the style we now have. I'd guess that in the next few weeks something drops and Nyls get to play elsewhere and every one will be happier. When that happens, I wish him luck. That dude, like him or not, has been nothing but professional throughout.

Posted by: saintex | September 30, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

redlineblue:
you've nailed it!!

lindsay - has GMGM done anthing else stupid in the last few hours you can post so we have something else to rant about? (for the idiot trolls, frustrated posters and those in between - please read in the sarcasm i intended) :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Your opinion is as relevant to the Capitals and their fans now as the lava lamps and eight tracks of yesteryear.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | September 30, 2009 4:54 PM

@LeftCOastCapsFan (from a native Califorinian):

Dude--please don't lump Lava Lamps in with that a$$hat Cheef. I LIKE Lava Lamps...they are cool!

(a$$hat...now there's an expression that never fails to make me laugh).

All in fun, man ;-D

Posted by: Rhino40 | September 30, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

On a positive note, this year's 1st round pick, Marcus Johansson, had a tremendous game against the Red Wings in their last preseason game. Johansson was the best player on the ice for Farjestad and impressed the Caps scouts that were in attendence. Farjestad lost 6-2 which is pretty impressive considering they played a 17 years old goalie.

Posted by: jakopz | September 30, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Did Alexander Giroux and Aucoin make it through waivers?

Posted by: TottenhamCaps | September 30, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@ Fro

Lucic is probably a tougher player. His fighting ability has him ranked at the top of my lists. However, there is no comparison on who a defense or team would rather face. OV is a far more dominant player.

I love the fact we have Knubs.. but think how sick our first line would be with Lucic on the RW... lol.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | September 30, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@ Tottem

Giroux and Aucoin have 2-way contracts.. no waiver problems.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | September 30, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

@ All,

Where does Nyl fit? I mean, he obviously doesn't fit in BB's system. he runs down the ice then circles, where BB wants to attack and keep the pace high tempo to benefit our young legs and skill players.

On the 3rd line I don't see him playing against the other teams top line defensively. On the 4th line he's not exactly an "energy player". B-Mo is our 2nd, and Backs is first.

Top to bottom, salary or not, he doesn't have a place in the lineup from what I can see. How else can we deal with him?

Can we waive him, and just pay 1/2 salary?

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | September 30, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

thanks Freakin

so is the reason they called up this Kane instead of aucoin/giroux due to salary cap?

Posted by: TottenhamCaps | September 30, 2009 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Just a little re-cap (no pun intended)...

In August, Nylander wants to be traded, not to Europe, but to an NHL team (he mentions Edmonton specifically, curious considering his wife told him he couldn't go play there before he re-signed with the Caps):

http://www.japersrink.com/2009/8/3/974041/nylander-boudreau-told-me-i-wasnt

The juicy quote here is fairly straightforward on Nylander's part: "I have a contract for two more years with Washington but I want to get traded and I've discussed the situation with the club. It isn't difficult to understand that I won't play there any more. It's a mutual decision that both I and the club understand."

Onwards to September, when the Caps acknowledge that they and Nylander are looking for a deal, in Europe:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/nylander-update.html


Just after that, Nylander says he is looking forward to playing, in the NHL, for the Caps this season:

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/nylander-i-want-to-play-in-the.html


And, on XM Home Ice yesterday, McPhee again reiterated that they and Nylander were looking at the European option.

So, which is it? Too much he said-he said going on here to make the great leap of taking sides in this issue or trying to place blame.

Opening night is tomorrow, so it's time to root for whomever is wearing Caps sweaters vs the B's and let the backroom drama unfold as it may.

LETS GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Repost about the (im)possibility of buying out Nylander now...

The Caps would have to wait til next summer to buy Nylander out as the window for this season has passed (early August was the dealine). Steve Hindle/Hockeybuzz posted a couple of blogs back in August on that very subject with a full explanation of how the process works and the cap hit the Caps would incur if they decided to go the buyout route. Those informative blogs are available here:

The Buyout, as per the CBA

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=22326

and, Washington’s Chance To Buy-Out Nylander

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog.php?post_id=22337

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

@TottenhamCaps

...Actually Giroux and Aucoin did have to clear waivers -- and they did. As for calling them back up, I feel like I heard they would have to clear to come back? But I could've made that up.

@fricknoutstandin

This has been said a lot, but I get that it's a lot of comments to wade through for an answer... we can only waive Nylander (w/ his No Movement Clause) if he approves it (haha). If he did and was claimed, we wouldn't even have to pay half his salary, that has to do with re-entry waivers (for example, possibly why Laing wasn't recalled before a certain point last year, he could've been snagged on re-entry waivers and we would've had to pay half his salary)

Posted by: DCTexan90 | September 30, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Here is an interesting thing from ESPN's rumor mill.

"Chris Bourque was picked up by Pittsburgh after the Capitals put him on waivers.

But GM George McPhee told the Washington Times that he put Bourque on waivers in the first place because he needed roster spot in case there was anyone better to claim off of waivers. McPhee planned to bring Bourque back if he couldn't find anyone.

So much for that plan. Now McPhee is likely searching for a waiver wire pickup."


If this is right then the Cap wasn't part of it at all it was all just looking for a better player and having it bite them in the butt. I was not going to jump on GMGM for doing what was needed for the cap but if he lost a player just hoping to find a better player, after telling that player he had made the team, makes it seem a little low in my book.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 30, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

This doesn't upset me much bbuutt all of that time in Hershey developing and now Pittsburgh gets to benefit from it.

Shero >>> McPhee

Posted by: alanb1 | September 30, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

I'll probably get flack for this but I doubt the Pens care much about sticking anything to the Washington Capitals.

Posted by: rh71 | September 30, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

NHL waiver rules are contained in the current CBA under Article 13. Also, check out Article 50.9(g) for info on re-entry waivers for players earning more than $95K in the AHL...

http://www.nhl.com/cba/2005-CBA.pdf

or

http://www.nhlpa.com/CBA/2005CBA.asp

Good luck to everyone in figuring all that out haha. Maybe Capitals Insider should have a sports attorney or agent on retainer to explain the minutiae of the CBA to us all.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the order in which teams have a chance to pick a player off the waiver wire:

Waiver priority is based purely on the teams record. Any previous waiver claims have no bearing on priority.

Priority is based on the reverse order of the standings (based on pts/gm to account for differences in the number of games played).

Before Nov 1, priority is based on the previous seasons final standings. After Nov 1, it is based on the current standings.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

I'll probably get flack for this but I doubt the Pens care much about sticking anything to the Washington Capitals.

Posted by: rh71 | September 30, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

you sure will, EVERYONE knows they care more about sticking it to the Caps than winning the Cup... I bet Mario has a meeting on that everyday, it's their number one objective.

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

A thread from HF Boards regarding waivers with some helpful answers:

http://hfboards.com/showthread.php?t=290878

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

@ Rhino40: I have this thing against lava lamps because it always looked like egg yolk to me as a kid and it always made me want to vomit. =/ So I never understood people's fascination with it. I was all about breaking that thing and scrambling me up some good eggs. =P

Trolls really don't go away. They just sit and lay waiting for us. A fried troll is the only good troll...=P

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | September 30, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Indeed. This is just payback for us signing Rico fata.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask--well said! I ignore cheef's posts--he has nothing factual to say. Just irrelevant bombs of nothing.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | September 30, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ--also Kolzig just last week had great things to say about the Caps and how great it was to be on the same team as Ovie. He'll always be a Cap in the heart of the fans and he knows it.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | September 30, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

newbiecapsfan07:
i can believe that kolzig isn't thrilled with the circumstances under which he left the team, and remembering his temper could even envision him getting mad at the time. i can't see him as being bitter or talking bad about the org - even if it still stings for him - he just doesn't come across as that type of person

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer: McPhee's not exactly famous for showing his hand--whether flush, or flushable--to the Washington Times. Bourque's gone to capology, a perfectly replaceable part in an imperfect bidniz.

Posted by: redlineblue | September 30, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

From Steven Hindle/Hockeybuzz...

"Chris Bourque a Penguin...Taking Risks Has Its Consequences"

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/Chris-Bourque-a-PenguinTaking-Risks-Has-Its-Consequences/98/23318

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

unless chris bourque turns out to be the kind of a mistake that the flames made with brett hull, it's just much ado about nothing.

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 7:20 PM | Report abuse

200+ posts on a topic about losing a 3rd line prospect (albeit a decent one). It must be hockey season again :-)

Posted by: Raber | September 30, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

This whole Borque situation was handled poorly. Somebody said earlier that it's no ones business but management as to what the Nylander true story is. Maybe that's true, but we buy the tickets, the expensive beer and hot dogs, the fan apparel, and live and die with this team....maybe we deserve to know just a little bit about why they won't play #92.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | September 30, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

After reading all these posts about one Chris Bourque, and the venim directed at the Caps, one would've thought we let Gretzky go. Give it a rest people, the guy is not the 2nd coming. Honestly, I think many just like to whine...you do it well.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | September 30, 2009 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Fellow Cap fans, I may be pointing out the obvious to some of you but make sure you call your favorite watering hole to insure they don't have Directv. As of now the Directv/VS dispute is not resolved so even bars with Directv will be SOL. LET'S GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 30, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

I think ESPN is doing some sort of a special on the Gretzky trade. saw a little preview of it last week. it's still one of the two most shocking news I'ver ever heard in my 30 years of being a sports fan. the other being when Magic Johnson announced that he was HIV positive.

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

After reading all these posts about one Chris Bourque, and the venim directed at the Caps, one would've thought we let Gretzky go. Give it a rest people, the guy is not the 2nd coming. Honestly, I think many just like to whine...you do it well.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | September 30, 2009 7:36 PM


Haha wow, everyone is certainly amped up over this situation. This must be what it was like in Edmonton the day Gretzky got traded to Los Angeles.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 1:34 PM

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Well, at least nobody's complaining about Shultz today. C'mon thursday night!

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | September 30, 2009 7:45 PM | Report abuse

@MetalCapsFan

What you said!

Posted by: ralCapsFan | September 30, 2009 7:50 PM | Report abuse

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=4445397

Haha wow, everyone is certainly amped up over this situation. This must be what it was like in Edmonton the day Gretzky got traded to Los Angeles.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 1:34 PM

close but not quite... if chris bourque went on tv and cried

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ--I agree completely with you. Kolzig is a class act. And I really liked reading all of the great things he had to say about this organization and this team, both past and present.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | September 30, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

Bondra cried too. So did Calle. There's nothing wrong with it.

Posted by: kevbnyc | September 30, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

I AM WATCHING NHL ON THE FLY!!!

...and it feels so good to know that CAPS HOCKEY IS HERE AGAIN!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 30, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

maybe we deserve to know just a little bit about why they won't play #92.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | September 30, 2009 7:35 PM

This situation mirrors what went on between McPhee and Steve Eminger a couple of seasons back. Eminger was basically stuck in the 'chateau bow-wow' for most of 2007-08, even after Boudreau arrived on the scene, with BB frequently deflecting questions about Eminger to McPhee. He didn't play so badly once he was inserted into the line-up when spots opened up due to injuries to other players. If you watch replays of the series vs the Flyers, Eminger handled himself fairly well. The Flyers thought enough of him to trade for him (the Caps used the Flyers draft pick to get John Carlson; not a bad trade off since Eminger has since bounced around).

The fans were never really enlightened as to the true nature of why a former 1st round draft pick (Eminger) was benched. Perhaps that could be explained by the local beat writers not wanting to ruffle the management's feathers, but once Eminger was gone, it would have been nice to get some kind of explanation. Unfortunately, I suspect this will also be the case with Nylander.

This is certainly a time when we, as Caps fans, would all benefit from the piranha-like media in Toronto and Montreal that feasts on any hockey related news and off-ice issues and makes sure to expose all the behind the scenes happenings. If only TSN and Co. would pay as much attention to Nylander vs. McPhee as they did when Ovie performed his stick dance after scoring his 50th goal last season.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

kcb: Caps won't play Nylander cause they've got better fits for less money. Play any two of these three guys, based on their output, suitability, condition, and cost: Backstrom, Morrison, Nylander.
That is all.

Posted by: redlineblue | September 30, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Obviously the Borque situation doesn't compare to Gretzky leaving Edmonton. However I think it's causing alot of posts because: #1. Just a few days ago the guy was told he made the team and would play in Boston...then boom he's waived and picked up by Pittsburgh. #2. Caps management has proven to be somewhat inept going back to David Poile and everybodys maybe a little nervous that maybe more boneheaded things will happen.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | September 30, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

The Hysteria over a prospect getting picked off waivers!

lol.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 30, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

This sucks, but in the big picture is insignificant for us as a team. Unfortunately for Chris we simply didn't have space for him. I doubt he would have played much with us this season and he deserves a real shot at the NHL. Hopefully he'll get that with the Pens.

Posted by: ranndino | September 30, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

Roster spot > bubble player

IMO.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 30, 2009 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I think the Caps will be okay this season, with or without Chris Bourque.

Yes, I am annoyed that he got picked up by the Pens (and we got nada in return). And, if Murphy's Law applies, he'll probably do great with the Pens (which seems to be the case of so many ex-Caps on that team).

I hope we get a resolution to the Nylander situation soon. Buying him out would have costed way too much (and that is still the case). Nyls being an expensive bench warmer does no one any good.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | September 30, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v9NDguqiWDU

Lets be happy people. Season starts tomorrow.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 30, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

i feel bad for bourque but there were probably very few options available. in hindsight it might have been better to try and put one of the 'deep' defenseman through waivers. oh well - only one direction to move now and that is forward. its off to boston and come back home with 2 pts

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Makes no sense

Posted by: festus75 | September 30, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil- You said it! Let's Go CAPS!!!!

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | September 30, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

i want to apologize to everyone for feeding the trolls today. i can't resist. i am seeking help and will do my best not to do so in the future. no guarantees. the sight of cheef and puckguru makes my fingers tingle with excitement about posting something that easily counters their nonsensical posts.

having said that, i believe that they are not playing 92 because he just isnt one of the best 4 centers thay have. in some respects, thats a good thing. it shows that regardless of how much money you are making, if you dont produce you dont get a sweater from BB.

personally, i think he should play just to see if he can fit in. not to mention showcase him for other teams. give morrison a rest one night or plug him in for gordon on a back to back. he might also get hurt (not that i'm wishing that on him) and be put on LTIR. save almost his entire salary to bring up alzner.

however, i'm not as concerned about it this year as i think they will be fine even with him on the pine. but signing backs and semin is where it could hurt. but theo's big number comes off this year too. next year even w/ nyls, they have about $30M in cap space available...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 30, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1:
i still believe that nyls ("no movement clause") can be moved next yr (or possibly at the trade deadline) when the NMC expires and a $3M salary. if you've been reading the last day or so - there were a more than a few whose p*nties got wet at the prospect of getting forsberg wanting to come to the caps. i'm thinking there is at least one GM who is willing to give a shot to a well rested pine riding skilled player. barring some minor miracle - nlys stays with the caps all year.
that's my story and i'm sticking with it!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

THIS IS A COMPLETE FARSE! BUILD EM UP AND SHOOT EM DOWN.THATS MGMT'S NEW SLOGON.IT IS WHAT IT IS,SO WITH THAT,LET THE SEASON BEGIN.LETS GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | September 30, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

...
This is certainly a time when we, as Caps fans, would all benefit from the piranha-like media in Toronto and Montreal that feasts on any hockey related news and off-ice issues and makes sure to expose all the behind the scenes happenings.
...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 8:06 PM |

I think you have something there. I would settle for a part-time real reporter.

Posted by: hock1 | September 30, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoastCapsFan:

Dude, you are absolutely pathetic. You cowtowing, spineless, fanboy, brown noser. I acknowledged up front the value of much of GMGM's work and made a legitimate criticism of his approach to a prospect's development and you just hurl an insult and a general bias apparently against any and all critiques on any and all management personnel from those you assume to have no professional involvement in sports management. Why do you even show up here if you're convinced no one is allowed to question the personnel decisions of management? I can't believe you are actually arguing that only positive endorsement of any and all moves by management should be deemed acceptable. What kind of absurd, dogmatic, censorship is that? How is there any space for dialogue given that approach. I have been a Caps fan for about the last twenty years growing up here when most of the fair whether fans or out of towners here didn't care to support hockey at all and I have consistently supported the organization and maintain a balanced approach but I decide to express a critique and actually have an opinion, an actual analysis, and that is somehow unacceptable to you. Homer-fanboys like you give the real hockey fans in this town a bad name. Get off George's jock and develop an actual independent analysis you boot licking drone.

Posted by: ParticipatoryDemocracyNow | September 30, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

i still believe that nyls ("no movement clause") can be moved next yr (or possibly at the trade deadline) when the NMC expires...

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 9:21 PM

Nylander's NMC expires on July 1st, 2010. And, I think you're assessment of the situation is correct. Def will suck to have him dressed in a suit for a good portion of the season, but as we've seen over the years, injuries frequently play a roll in ice time. Perish the thought of Backstrom going down for a significant period of time, but we may yet see #92 get a legit shot of proving his worth.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 30, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan:
i'd have to see nyls on the ice - i just have a feeling that GMGM has some really toxic bug up has *ss about nlys. if anything did happen to our 1st or 2nd line centers - i'm having a hard time envisioning #92 on the ice - that is unless GMGM gives his number to somebody else. i really wish that nyls had played in two or three preseason games so BB could get a feel for where he is mentally and physically. alas it appears that it is just not meant to be *sigh*

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

Jeez, we need to move on. We all know the Nyllet is/was (know knows about present tense) a world class player. Not surprisingly, the issue is the system is BB is running --it's not clever but efficient and Nyllet's deliberate style doesn't fit. We signed him with the intent that we'd have a more creative coach than BB..who has played him on checking lines!! Nyllet is not a checking player which has obviously led a number of ignorant folks on this forum to draw the conclusion that Nyllet isn't a great payer. He is, and he's one of the most successful players on the Swedish Olympic team (champs) in the last two decades, being the nr 2. go two guy after Forsberg on the power play. So, please, stop trashing this guy. If Caps wanted to use him the way he is supposed to be used, his situation wouldn't be an issue.

Posted by: jakopz | September 30, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

game 7 of the 1987 final on espn classic... boy did I hate hextall

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoastCapsFan:

Dude, you are absolutely pathetic. You cowtowing, spineless, fanboy, brown noser. I acknowledged up front the value of much of GMGM's work and made a legitimate criticism of his approach to a prospect's development and you just hurl an insult and a general bias apparently against any and all critiques on any and all management personnel from those you assume to have no professional involvement in sports management. Why do you even show up here if you're convinced no one is allowed to question the personnel decisions of management?---


Damn straight. What a well-written post. You have some fans on who are nothin but bootlickin brownnosers as stated above who jump down anyone's throat if there is any criticism of the team's mgmt regardless of well that argument is framed. And the common response is always " well duh if you think you can do better how come you're not runnin your own team". So stupid. This is a forum to discuss. Not just a PR forum for the Caps. I'm going to cut and paste this response to any idiot who takes that approach to a constructive critique of the team, any player, the GM, the coach, etc. Thanks for saving me the trouble of crafting my own response here ParticipatoryDemocracyNow. I've been wanting to say just that for quite a while and didn't have the words to articulate.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 30, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
can you at least acknowledge that there are some posters that don't bother with an opinion unless it is to point out their view of a complete failure? i think most people here see that GMGM (or BB or a player) is not perfect, not every move or action they take is desirable as a fan. it gets pretty old listening to the same old venom from posters that have absolutely nothing to add. everyone here (excluding the pen trollers) are interested in the success of the team. even some your posts have come across as negative but at least there is a coherent thought process behind it - more often than not i don't agree but would never say you're not intitled to it. i do have an issue with posters that are bashing just because that is the only time they have an opinion. at times i do take exception to the broad statements that most of us who pefer to view the positives are labeled as GMGM 'lemmings'.
my final thought would be for everyone - to keep on posting!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 30, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

both GMGM and BB better hope that they get off to a fast start. if not, it will get UGLY fast.

if you think this is bad, wait till if they have a 3 or 4 game losing streak to start the season with one of their highest paid players sitting in the pressbox. BB is not Scotty Bowman just yet, he hasn't done enough to earn blind trust.

Posted by: joek443 | September 30, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

No more Capitals Insider posts from Tarik since Bourque got claimed. It's mighty quiet in the Capitals front office. Not that it's unusual, but its a bit odd that NOTHING has come from up there. Meanwhile, Caps "managed" to hold onto Tyler Sloan. TYLER SLOAN? Are you kidding me? It's not that Bourque is so valuable; it's the fact that he got away for absolutely nothing, when they do all they can to keep guys who are AHL lifers. Memo to Bruce: The Jack Adams is in the rear view mirror. The Caps had another coach named Bruce who hung on to career AHLers in the NHL. It didn't work out so well.

Posted by: pga6 | September 30, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

First off, I'm glad they kept Sloan. He'll do more for the caps this year than Bourque would have done.

Second, I'm very disappointed they didn't move ShaMo. Failure to pull the trigger on that one was the killer. As a consequence, Alzner was sent down; Aucoin and Giroux went through waivers (meaning I think they can't come up all year w/o reverse waivers, which means if claimed we pay half and cap hit); and Bourque was lost for no compensation.

If Pitt tries to demote Bourque anytime during the season - waivers. I think.

I still think there's a trade in the offing. Rosters are being juggled. Injuries will happen. It's unfortunate what has happened. Aucoin and Giroux are being paid $500K each to play at Hershey. Nylander is being paid a small fortune to wear a suit. Bourque is gone. I'm a really big McPhee supporter, but this could have been done better. Why didn't he just move ShaMo (UFA after this year) for a #2 pick? Or a #3 pick? We'd be better off.

Posted by: tominfl1 | October 1, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
even moving shamo for a #5, 6, 7 or even a conditional pick would have been better than this mini disaster. me thinks GMGM scr*wed the pooch on this one. i'd have been happy to see shamo get plucked off of waivers - with just under $2M freed up, it would have given many more options for short/long term player moves

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | October 1, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Tom- I'm with ya. I think there's something else coming. I think we all agree though that this could've been handled better. I'd really like to know if Pitt tries to send him down does he then have to go through waivers again. The other thought is if he isn't sent down then he's good enough to play for the Cup champs but not good enough to play with us? I too am a GMGM supporter but this one baffles me as well. The thing is we don't always get the answers when we like them. There could be something coming down the line that will explain all and we'll all say "ah this guy actually knows what the hell he's doing". Imagine that.

I also agree that getting SOMETHING/ANYTHING for ShMo would've solved a lot. Not really sure what the lack of movement on any front is gaining us right now.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | October 1, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Wow, how stupid can the Caps be to allow themselves to be over the cap at all, let alone a trivial amount like $77,000? Unreal.

Bourque is not his old man by any stretch, but has the game to be a top 6 forward for the defending champs.

This also means that if the present roster needs to be tweaked at the trade deadline as Pittsburgh has in the last two years that can only happen via a major deal.

Posted by: NoRebound | October 1, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

As far as just the summer goes, I've been mostly very excited about the season and still am. I share other posters distaste for the choice of #8 dman Sloan over CB but I was totally psyched about more significant moves such as the acquisition of exactly the guy I wanted in Knuble. I think Morrison is a legit gamble as the #2 Center. And I really just think the team is a few pieces away and GMGM has done a good job planning for the present and future for the most part. I just don't happen to think this was either a great pick in the first place or great asset management after the fact. I thought the kid should have gotten a real shot, especially when you see how much time and patience has been granted the likes of Flash and Fehr. Bourque competes and he plays all three zones. I'm seriously concerned about his ability to win battles in the corner and to stay healthy amongst other size related issues. And for a fellow of smaller stature, he could sure use an extra gear to help set him apart. I think he's displayed a skilled, hard working, and versatile game though and holds a lot more upside than someone like Sloan. More over, we've got mad mediocre D-men already whereas, we are currently being forced to play Laing on the third line and Kane on the fourth as a result of this fiasco. I personally am not a fan of this particular decision. And I think it speaks to larger problem in regard to the hoarding of marginal defenseman being prioritized over the development of prospects with real upside. If they had given the guy a chunk of games as others continued to recover form injury and he didn't produce or looked out of his league then this would have made a lot more sense to me. For these reasons I thought the move was premature.

Posted by: ParticipatoryDemocracyNow | October 1, 2009 1:21 AM | Report abuse

No news this morning?

I think they may have tried for a ShaMo move and that helps explain why we have 8 D on the roster.

Next question is whether Nyls gets played. I assume Aucoin gets a call up if he doesn't (may help explain why Aucoin was put on waivers).

GMGM bet and lost on Borque. Hope Borque has a great career. There's a chance he won't; he's small and he has concussion issues. On the whole, though, a bad move. You can't always get it right.

Posted by: Sonyask | October 1, 2009 5:52 AM | Report abuse

$100 says Cheef's IP address traces to the Pittsburgh metropolitan area.

Posted by: croftonpost | October 1, 2009 10:52 AM | Report abuse

I posted my F Pitt, this sucks b/c of salary cap and Nyls elswhere. Therefore, I want to take the opportunity here to wish Bourque the best. Even though I HATE the Penguins more than any other team, and I think Crosby is a little b~~ch, I want to see Bourque do well in the NHL. Who knows, maybe one day he ends up back here.

Posted by: mcgratsp | October 1, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

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