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Brendan Morrison won't be back with Caps

The Caps do not plan to re-sign center Brendan Morrison, GM George McPhee said earlier today.

Morrison spent only one season in Washington and finished the season with 12 goals and 30 assists in 74 games.

The 34-year-old was signed to a one-year, $1.5 million contract last summer in the hopes he could rediscover the point-producing touch he had as a Canuck. But after a fast start in which he scored nine goals and racked up 14 assists in the Caps' first 29 games, Morrison faded in the second half and was scratched twice in the playoffs.

"We talked to Brendan last week," McPhee said. "He's a first class kid, but we aren't going to renew him."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 14, 2010; 6:32 PM ET
 
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Comments

No surprise, and another smart move. Getting BMo was a good idea that didn't pan out.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Cap number,anyone?

Posted by: ridgely1 | June 14, 2010 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Your right Timmy, just because a move does not work does not mean it was a bad move. It was a good idea to sign him and it's a good idea to let him go.

Posted by: real8 | June 14, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

BMo wasn't being planned into the cap by anyone on here - his salary last year was $1.5M though.

If BMo had been able to get back to his old self, the 2nd line would have been great. Back when he was the center for the West Coast Express, that line was great.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

I disagree that it didn't "work". He's a mid-30s vet with some pretty bad injury history, and as Tarik noted, he started hot and faded badly. 62 points isn't too shabby, but I'm not sure the upside is much more than that. Ideally a little more even production would have been nice. I'm sure they can find someone identical for the same price this summer.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 14, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

oldtimehockey, it definitely didn't work. They had to keep shuffling #2 centers - if it had worked, BMo would have been the center for all of the regular season and playoffs.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

oldtimehockey - he only scored 42 points, not 62. If he had gotten 62 points, then it might have worked - that is a respectable amount for a #2 center. They can do quite a bit better than BMo, for $2.5-3.5M.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 7:15 PM | Report abuse

carlson on the PP. 1-0 bears

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

JC Money = Capt. America = A Gawd Damn American Hero

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 14, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Carlson... now Alzner. Awesome!

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

alzner. 2-0 bears with 5:30 left in the 1st

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Savage onslaught by the Bears.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 14, 2010 7:34 PM | Report abuse

60 minutes of this and there's no question as to who will win

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

What I also like is that, almost to a man, THEY ARE TAKING THE BODY!

They have been excellent so far.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 14, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

they're also first at getting to loose pucks. they're just skating their *sses off

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

more importantly its good to know that at age 34 he is still a first class kid.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | June 14, 2010 7:41 PM | Report abuse

i think the bears should change there colors to red and white to match the caps. i like how texas has there jerseys to match dallas. bears should do the same.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | June 14, 2010 7:42 PM | Report abuse

BB could use this 1st period as a training video for the big boys

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

That was my first time ever watching the Bears. Are they always that dominant?

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

BB could use this 1st period as a training video for the big boys

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 7:43 PM

Certainly from the perspective of work ethic and keeping things simple.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 7:44 PM | Report abuse

tmac, not always, but they are a great team. 4th Calder Cup Final in 5 years.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

Every time I've seen Alzner over the last 2 years, which is usually months apart each time, he looks bigger and stronger.

I guess that should be expected to some extent with all young players but it seems more pronounced with Alzner.

I assume he has great work ethic off the ice.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Just out of curiosity... has anyone heard why Carlson wears #74?

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 8:18 PM | Report abuse

He cant wear 4 in DC because it belongs to Erskine. He wore 11 in the world jrs. but that number is retired. My guess is that he likes #11 and 7 + 4 =11. Only a guess.

Posted by: pebowers | June 14, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

3-0

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 8:26 PM | Report abuse

pebowers, that makes sense. Might not be right, but it certainly makes sense.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

For those that follow the Bears closely, how good would they be if you replaced non-prospects Giroux and Aucoin with average or slightly above average players?

Basically, how much of our recent success can be attributed to having two dominant non-prospects?

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Bears seem to have the Stars' number. They're outhustling them, outhitting them, outshooting them, and getting second chances.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

Man, Bourque looks good at this level.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 8:36 PM | Report abuse

Go Bears..do what the parent team can't. Yet

Posted by: zosodave | June 14, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I think Bourque is a viable 3rd liner in the NHL. He has the speed and hustle, although he is small. He's good enough that the Pens grabbed him off waivers - and that the Caps grabbed him back.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 8:41 PM | Report abuse

On the other hand, the Penguins were disappointed with him and let him go.

And didn't a lot of teams also pass up on him before the Penguins picked him up and even before we brought him back?

Either way, I hope the proves a lot of people wrong and succeeds at the next level, if it's with us of course.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Morrison was a life saver for us in November during the period we had Ovi injured. Overall, he did great the first half of the year. Not so good the rest of the year.

As TimmyV38 said, it was a good idea but didn't "pan" out for us. But it was more like it panned out for half the season but not the full season.

It is a good idea to find someone else for the second center job.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Bourque is a puck hog. And he'll never stick in the NHL. Said it when they drafted him. And I still say it now.

Cordially,
RBlatch

Posted by: rblatch45 | June 14, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

TomInSoCal (where ever you are)

Are you having white chocolate as dessert in honor of the Bears playing at home today (since they have the white jerseys)?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

tmac, I don't think it was so much disappointment as them needing to fill an injury gap. Afterwards, they had no need to keep him. And they didn't exactly let him go - the Caps grabbed him off waivers.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

I heard a lot of negative stuff coming out of Pittsburgh about his performance while with the Penguins. In fact, I don't remember hearing a single positive thing. And a lot of other teams passed up on him when he was initially put on waivers. I know that not every team had the same needs, but you would think that one of 20+ teams would've grabbed him if it was believed that he could translate his AHL success to the NHL.

Either way, as long as he's with us, I hope he overcomes whatever is viewed as his limitations and is able to find success in the NHL.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Texas got close a few times. Neuvirth has made a few big saves in the game.

That penalty should pretty much seal it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

All 4 goals by d-men.

That definitely seals it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Another goal from a dman... wow. I think that's the nail in the coffin.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

mcniell gets his second. 4-0. game, set and match

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

Neuvirth with another sweet glove save.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 9:19 PM | Report abuse

Neuvirth is on top of his game tonight. I don't think I've ever seen him this good.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

Yet another nice glove save, from point blank range this time.

Posted by: tmac2yao | June 14, 2010 9:22 PM | Report abuse

CALDER CUP CHAMPIONS!!! CONGRATS TO HERSHEY!!!!

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

would u just look at those boyz?

way to go

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 14, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

well played game bears! congrats!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

CBo gets MVP

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind seeing Andrew Gordon brought up to play on the 3rd/4th line for the Caps next season. He has potential.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 9:38 PM | Report abuse

Great job Bears. Going down 0-2 then steamrolling them was impressive. What a great season.

This franchise has talent.

Posted by: Justafan | June 14, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations, Bears!!!!!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 14, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I wish BMo would have worked out but it wasn't a bad deal when we signed him.

Way to go Hershey!!!!

I would like to see Matty Po, A. Gordon, Pinner or Beags get a shot on the big squad this upcoming year.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 14, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Bears. Much deserved!!! Hope the 3peat next year.

Posted by: instinct227 | June 14, 2010 10:41 PM | Report abuse


pkendrick... i totally agree. Pinner and Beags both have young legs and every time Ive seen them theyve played very hungry. I'm sorry, but BGordon and yes, even Bradley I think are upgradable with guys from the system.

Posted by: chombie13 | June 14, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Gordon, but not Bradley. Although both 3rd and 4th lines might need a player come next season.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 10:59 PM | Report abuse

With 42 pts, BMo was arguably worth the $1.5M. However, he was like 60th in the league in scoring for centers so he wasn't adequate as a #2 center. I said the night they signed him on here that it wasn't a good move; but, with the Nylander contract issue, it was all McPhee could do at the time. We need a guy in the top 30 or 40 for scoring for centers as a #2 at a minimum. And, if you move Semin, you'd want someone maybe a little higher.

Bourque was sent down by the Caps last Oct. 28 teams passed and Pitt claimed him. Then when Pitt sent him down the Caps had reclaiming rights and exercised them, I think that's how it worked. He is a RFA again like several others on the Bears and we'll see what happens. The Caps might well get a few of these guys up in DC with a few more vets out the door as a result. Maybe this checking line I keep harping on can come from Hershey.

Did Sean Collins play? Was he any good?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 14, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I think we could give Coiner a shot at the #2. He's quick has got great hockey IQ and he's done all he can at the AHL level. (MP is great but low on the IQ part, so far.) Heck, if Briere can play, why not him? Plus he saves fuel costs on the flights...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 14, 2010 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Keith Aucoin? He has not done much of anything at the NHL level yet. Spend the money to get a #2 center with experience.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

A guy like Chimera could be on the hot seat. He brings some intensity. Last year - 15 goals and 19 assists. Hardly better than BMo, maybe adequate as a #3 line player if he had really good defense.

Chimera really doesn't do anything above average. He is a middle class man's Matt Bradley, who is possibly a better value at $1M.

You move Flash and Chimera ($4.5M), replace them with two $600K Hershey guys, and you have $3.3M free money to upgrade #2 wing. Semin could even stay and with that new center and Fehr would be effective as a decent #2 combo.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 14, 2010 11:37 PM | Report abuse

3 stars tonight: neuvy, carlson and mcneill
no sean collins

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 14, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Chimera does give some big advantages over Bradley. The main ones are that he is faster, and he is a great agitator. And if it's needed, he isn't too bad of a fighter. He's definitely replacable, but he does bring some qualities the Caps were lacking in.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Oops, that was #2 center.

Yogi: If you moved Steckel, Aucoin could be your #4 center with savings of $575K. If you had the true #2 center, and say Belanger #3 for faceoffs and defense (he, Laich and maybe a promoted Bear make a #3 line for checking). I don't think it's realistic though to expect much more from Aucoin than BMo's 42 pts and, as we discovered, that was inadequate.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 14, 2010 11:41 PM | Report abuse

Having Aucoin as 3rd/4th line center is intriguing. He was over 55% on faceoffs last season. It was only on 56 faceoffs, but it is promising. The only centers who had better faceoff % were Steckel and Gordon. Even just having him on 4th with Steckel and Bradley could be good - a pair of good faceoff men is a big plus on an energy line like that.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 14, 2010 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Aucion is a career AHL All Star, much like his buddy the rooster, aka Giroux. Neuvy has nothing left to prove at the AHL level, he will take a serious run at the number one spot next year. I am not getting tired of watching the Bears win the cup, but it would be sweeter to see the Caps win the Stanley Cup next year. Awesome atmosphere tonight at Giant Center, I would not have expected anything less. Record crowd of 11,000, about 200 over capacity, and it was rocking.

Posted by: TheSmurfs | June 15, 2010 12:06 AM | Report abuse

I can see Neuvy and Holtby being the future in net with poor Varly being the odd man out due to his endurance issues.

And I would rather have Beagle as my 4th line center over Aucoin, younger, stronger, and more room for improvement. And if A. Gordon does not secure a slot on the big club next season there is something seriously wrong. Wouldn't mind seeing Pinnizotto(sp?) as well!

Posted by: PhilR | June 15, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse

Pitt is weak on wing and they waived CBo, that says it all.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 15, 2010 8:38 AM | Report abuse

So, what do we know so far:

Corvo, Gone
Theo, Gone
Walker, Gone
BMo, Gone
Fehr, Negotiating

Tradeable Assets: Semin, Flash, Neuvy, Holtby, Schultz, 1st Round Pick

What we don't know:
Is Alzner now "untouchable"?
Who from Hershey will make the team?
Who will be targeted at #2C? (ufa/trade)
Who will be targeted at 1st pair d? (ufa/trade)
Are any other prospects viewed as tradeable assets? (MP, MJ, Bouchard, Gustafsson, Della Rovere)
Should we buy out Erskine?

I am glad it's all over. Now it's up to George.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

Sad about BMo, but not surprising. Oh, well...

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 15, 2010 9:25 AM | Report abuse

Brendan's 35 and GMGM called him "kid"? :)

Posted by: blackjack65 | June 15, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

underpants2,

I would say Alzner has moved rather close to "untouchable" as he and Carlson gel very well together and could be a mainstay on the blueline for many years to come as a pair.

Don't think MP or MJ are considered tradeable assets at this point but Gustafsson and Bouchard I would think certainly are.

Don't think they need to buy Eerskine out, I think they could find a team that would take on his salary next year.

I also do not see Holtby as a tradeable asset at this point, the rest I agree with.

Posted by: PhilR | June 15, 2010 9:53 AM | Report abuse

CONGRATS BEARS! That is how you finish a historic season!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | June 15, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

"Alzner, who was recalled eight times by the Capitals last season and skated in Game 7 against the Montreal Canadiens, played an instrumental role in shutting down Stars prospect Jamie Benn (two assists)."

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not true - it was John Carlson who had many head to head battles with Jamie Benn. Even Alzner was quoted as saying how impressive Carlson was in battling Benn.


"Chimera does give some big advantages over Bradley. The main ones are that he is faster, and he is a great agitator"
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great agitator? not quite. Slight agitator, maybe. He had a couple of run-ins with Montreal and suddenly he's a Sean Avery.

"And I would rather have Beagle as my 4th line center over Aucoin, younger, stronger, and more room for improvement. And if A. Gordon does not secure a slot on the big club next season there is something seriously wrong. Wouldn't mind seeing Pinnizotto(sp?) as well!

Posted by: PhilR | June 15, 2010 7:35 AM | Report abuse "

hey you been reading my blogs? lol, I've been on the Beagle/4th line center kick for 2 yrs now. And been pushing AG and SP to be promoted for the last year. All 3 of those forwards need to be in the Caps lineup. And Beagle can play wing as well as he proved this year. Pinizotto besides the fact he's a hard-hitting agitating S.O.B is also a solid PKer. He's funny, he'll hit and drive the opponent insane all game, then suddenly he'll take the puck and go down the wing and make a great pass or something. No one expects him to do that. He was part of a college push by the Caps a few yrs ago and he's worked his way up the chain. The other forward who kinda plays like him is Trevor Bruess who should get an AHL promotion next season.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 10:11 AM | Report abuse

What we don't know:
Is Alzner now "untouchable"?
Who from Hershey will make the team?
Who will be targeted at #2C? (ufa/trade)
Who will be targeted at 1st pair d? (ufa/trade)
Are any other prospects viewed as tradeable assets? (MP, MJ, Bouchard, Gustafsson, Della Rovere)
Should we buy out Erskine?

I am glad it's all over. Now it's up to George.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

great, Georgie make it all better...

I don't think any of those guys are tradeable assets per se. Maybe an SDR or MJ may pique a team's interest but it wouldn't bring back much. And I don't think Alzner's untouchable but he and Carlson will get a real shot to be up with the Caps. I still don't think Alzner's ready for NHL duty but the Caps will give more than enough rope to hang himself with. And if the Caps are fair about it, they'll give guys like Gordon and Pinner a shot, hopefully along with Beagle. That gives us 3 young hungry aggressive players who play a hardnosed competitive game. I know CBourque won the playoff MVP but still am skeptical about what he can bring at the nhl level.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 10:17 AM | Report abuse

i think the bears should change there colors to red and white to match the caps. i like how texas has there jerseys to match dallas. bears should do the same.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | June 14, 2010 7:42 PM
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That'll never happen. The Bears have worn "Chocolate and White" since 1938 and have been through affiliations with Washington, Boston, Philadelphia, Colorado, and now Washington again. And maybe some others that I've forgotten. We don't change colors based on affiliation when we've got the history this franchise has.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 15, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

Did Sean Collins play? Was he any good?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 14, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

He got benched early in the series, I think after game 1. Greg Amadio got inserted back into the action because Mark French wanted a more physical presence on the blueline. What I like about French is, after the Bears lost game 2 he stuck with his lineup without freaking out. Of all the Hershey coaches recently incl BB and BWoods, French is probably my favorite because he was able to get the Bears to play at a high level of intensity with very few letdowns. As a motivator, he kicks A

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

"Chimera does give some big advantages over Bradley. The main ones are that he is faster, and he is a great agitator"
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great agitator? not quite. Slight agitator, maybe. He had a couple of run-ins with Montreal and suddenly he's a Sean Avery.
Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 10:11 AM |

He's no Sean Avery, but he's done more than you give him credit for. Maybe you don't remember, but he's the one who scuffled with Ovie this last season and caused Ovie's shoulder injury.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I don't care about this. But if Michal Neuvirth isn't starting next year for the big club, I'm gonna throw a fit. All the kid does is win.

Posted by: MarylanDChris | June 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

Possible D:

UFA: Volchecnkov, Hamhuis, Michalek, Sutton, Gonchar, Kubina, Martin, W. Mitchell, Tallinder

Trade: Suter, Kaberle, J. Johnson, Ballard, Burns, Whitney, Gilbert, Commodore, Brewer, Jackman, Komisarek, Beauchamin

My fear with McPhee is that he clearly screwed up bringing in Corvo at the deadline. Could he look at Gonchar/Kaberle?

Who would you want? What would we need to give up?

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

@cstanon1

I agree giving one or maybe two of A. Gordon, Pinner, and/or Beagle a shot on the 4th line next year.

Young and cheap players usually make good 4th liners and if one doesn't perform well you bring up the other to fill in for him. I'd be hesitant to put out an entire line of them though because you never know if AHL success will translate into NHL success.

I also agree on Bourque. There really isn't room for him and his style on the Caps roster.

I disagree on Alzner. He is ready for the NHL next season. He has gained a significant amount of strength over the last two years and will likely continue to do so since he is only 21.

He has reached his peak at the AHL level and the only way for him to improve is to play in the NHL now. He played well in game 7 and is also is a relatively cheap too.

The Caps were patient with him and now is the time to bring him up. He will likely experience some growing pains, but that happens with almost every player. It's something you have to live with when bringing up young players just as the Caps will have to wtih A. Gordon, Pinner, and/or Beagle.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

Chimera (really want everyone to start calling him Chewy) is a solid 3LW and an above average 4LW. I wouldn't call him a defensive forward in the zone but his speed is an asset when it comes to backchecking on the faster forwards.

Brads/Stecks/Boydo is a good 4th line. They 3 have great chemistry together and watching the 3 of them cycle the puck is a thing of beauty. And someone above metioned having 2 quality face-off guys on the 4th line is a good idea.

Saying those things I really am trying to think of how we can get some of these Hershey guys into the Caps line-up.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 15, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Even though I haven't read anything about it I think the Caps may end up getting Michalek. He is considered one of the better shot blockers in the NHL, is relatively young, and will not be too expensive, which will enable the Caps to acquire a #2 center.

It will sort of be like the Knuble signing a year ago. Not a big fish, but a good player to fit a specific role on this team.

Again, I haven't read anything indicating this will happen. It's just a gut feeling.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

if the caps sign Gonchar, I may switch teams. go after: volchenkov, hamhuis, michalek, martin

Belanger is #3 center. Brads stays.

Posted by: doughless | June 15, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

This is a bit random, but when I was watching the Bears last night, I couldn't help but think that it would have been nice if at least a couple of the Caps had come to support the team. I know it is their vacation, but at least a few of those players will be joining the Caps next season and I thought I nice show of support would have been fun.

Posted by: capscoach | June 15, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

deal Semin

Posted by: doughless | June 15, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

it was nice when you say Ray Bourque and family front and center with Chris in the second group pic... great organization...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

mean "when you saw Ray"

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

No Gonchar/Kaberle please.
Wouldn't mind some Ham or Michalek.
Willie Mitchell could be nice if he's good to go.
Only saw Kubina a few times, but seems fairly solid. I've heard otherwise as well.
And I don't think Sutton impressed anyone in the playoffs- but I'm not an expert.

Posted by: Fro_ | June 15, 2010 12:35 PM | Report abuse

He's no Sean Avery, but he's done more than you give him credit for. Maybe you don't remember, but he's the one who scuffled with Ovie this last season and caused Ovie's shoulder injury.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 15, 2010 10:28 AM | Report abuse

I think when you throw the word "agitator" around, you should reserve it for someone who clearly plays that role. And Chimera does not. For one, he's a terrible fighter and so is unable to back up his agitating at all since effective agitators (Clarkson, Avery, Carcillo, Downie) can also back up their style with some actual scrapping. Chimera agitating for 2 or 3 games a season doesn't mean squat as far as I'm concerned. He's also not physical in that he rarely finishes his checks. Another major element that separates him from actual NHL agitators. And if he hit as hard and as often as Matt Cooke does, then perhaps I'd be willing to give him a pass at being a terrible fighter, ala Cooke.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Sign LAING for league minimum and call it money well spent

Posted by: dshowler | June 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Somebody mentioned on the Caps sit that GMGM is negotiating an extension with Shamo.

If this is true, I just give up.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

I disagree on Alzner. He is ready for the NHL next season. He has gained a significant amount of strength over the last two years and will likely continue to do so since he is only 21.
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I'm not dismissing Alzner as a prospect, but I think he is way overhyped. He got drafted high in a terrible draft year. He would likely not even have gone in the 1st round in the year that Carlson was drafted. And I think his strength is a major issue. I still don't see it. He gets pushed off the puck very easily and he cannot push anyone off the puck. He's got Joe Corvo strength.

His style of defensive play is he goes and holds a player around his waist and tries to impede him that way. When John Carlson engages a player, he simply shoves him off the puck. He's got explosion that Alzner lacks. Alzner lets the play develop for too long in his own end because his style and strength isn't conducive to quickly and emphatically ending an offensive chance with a solid check or just being able to knock someone off the puck and take it away. He's still largely a poke-checker.

And I think a guy who plays Alzner's "positional" style (there's that word again), is better suited to a lineup where there isn't already a plethora of dmen who play that way to begin with. With Schultz, Poti etc, we already have that kind of player. You need a little more jam in the lineup on the back end.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Sign LAING for league minimum and call it money well spent

Posted by: dshowler | June 15, 2010 1:03 PM | Report abuse

no reason not to. I'd have preferred Laing in the lineup over a couple other forwards we had for sure. He's cheap, solid, responsible and effective. I don't care if he scores 2 goals all yr long. You don't look for Ben Eager to score goals and you shouldn't look for that from Laing. And if you give Laing a full season, he could probably hit 8-10 goals while still providing you energy/banging and defensive play.

and good news on the ShaMo front if true. I'm not ready to cut ties with him and he certainly wasn't the problem here. If you dump him, then thats yet another extra hole to fill. Problem is, there's no space for him unless you trade Schultz and/or dump Poti. Safe to say the Caps will acquire at least one dman via FA or trade. So if you re-sign ShaMo, it leaves you with:

Green, Mo, Sarge, Poti, JC, KA, newplayer, Sloan/Erskine. To bring back Mo, you have to cut ties with either Poti or Schultz. Because you're not paying Mo to be a 3rd pairing dman. And the new player we acquire will likely be a top 4 guy. Just no room at the top of the def lineup for all those guys even if the 2 young kids play on the 3rd pair.


Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Would love to see Poti's cap hit off the books but I really don't see him going anywhere until other teams are certain about his eye injury. I wouldn't be opposed to moving Alzner either as he is just too much in the mold of the other dmen we already have. One of either Alzner or Schultz should go if Poti can not be dumped.

Posted by: PhilR | June 15, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

agree 100% Phil. 100 freaking percent.

Alzner is expendable although I know it kills fans to hear that. And frankly, his trade value isn't as high as we'd like to think. He'd have to be part of a package deal to bring back one player. By himself, he's not going to bring anyone back in a trade who is worth much unless you go for another 3rd liner who we have enough of to begin with. Dumping Sarge would be more of a blockbusterish type deal since his upside is greater and he's proven he can play at this level already. I expect the Caps not to move Schultz. I think they look at Sarge, Green, Carlson as the top 3 at a level beyond how they view an Alzner.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Alzner is expendable although I know it kills fans to hear that. And frankly, his trade value isn't as high as we'd like to think. He'd have to be part of a package deal to bring back one player. By himself, he's not going to bring anyone back in a trade who is worth much unless you go for another 3rd liner who we have enough of to begin with. Dumping Sarge would be more of a blockbusterish type deal since his upside is greater and he's proven he can play at this level already. I expect the Caps not to move Schultz. I think they look at Sarge, Green, Carlson as the top 3 at a level beyond how they view an Alzner.

Posted by: cstanton1

Disagree, the kids got value.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Disagree, the kids got value.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

gimme a player you think he can be traded for one on one. Lets talk centers since that seems to be our focus and I doubt we'll be trading Alzner for an established NHL dman unless that guy is over 30 and not a top 4 dman

Just as a baseline for comparison. For ex, do you think Alzner alone could get us a Dubinsky?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Poti is close to untradeable. No one is gonna take his $3.5m salary. Because of this, no room for Shamo. 5 D are set in stone: Green, Schultz, Carlson, Alzner, Poti.

Alzner and Schultz are the only ones who are tradeable. Both could net significant return. I would much rather keep Alzner.

I am also of the opinion that we should move Green to the wing.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv Re: Aucoin

I think he can only help as the #2C. He's a setup man and a point producer and he needs the puck and the minutes. Without those two things, he doesn't seem to work out. If the Caps are unable to sign a significant center prior to the start, I'd love to see him get a shot, he might surprise people.

@cstanton01 wrote:
"He's got Joe Corvo strength." love it. I'd put Alzner at about 1.1 Corvos. Shea Weber, otoh, is about 3.8 Corvos...


Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 15, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Doesn't Green already play the wing?

hehe, kidding.

By moving Green to forward, you now have to go find another strong puckmover on D. And just because a player doesn't excel at one position, it doesn't mean they'll be any better at another. Green could be more of a disaster at wing. He made strides last yr on D imo. I think he'll continue to improve. His errors are all mental. Contrast that with a Corvo type whose limitations are mostly physical.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

i don't think Alzner is a huge upgrade on the blueline

Posted by: doughless | June 15, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

I agree on keeping ShaMo if Poti can't come back or if he's on the block. ShaMo at $2M is better value than Poti at $3.5M. If you move Poti and Erskine and replace with ShaMo and true #1, the marginal cap hit on that is about $2M. Now move Flash and Chimera and replace with a decent #2 center and a Hershey Bear. Cap space is all used but you kept Semin in that scenario, if you want to do that.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 15, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I agree on keeping ShaMo if Poti can't come back or if he's on the block. ShaMo at $2M is better value than Poti at $3.5M. If you move Poti and Erskine and replace with ShaMo and true #1, the marginal cap hit on that is about $2M. Now move Flash and Chimera and replace with a decent #2 center and a Hershey Bear. Cap space is all used but you kept Semin in that scenario, if you want to do that.

Posted by: tominsocal1

I am not sure Chimera is movable either. $1.75m for a him is steep.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 15, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

hockeysfuture.com seems like a good site to see prospects value. (Any others out there?) Just swags, but only the two goalies, Carlson, and Marca look like they'd be of interest to other teams. This order seems about right: 1) Varly, 2) Carlson, 3) Neuvirth, 4) Marca, 5) Alzner. A pretty good pipeline.

As for the Caps, I'm hoping Eakin, Orlov, Kygrushev pan out. The draft is so strong, there is a high likelihood a quality Russian forward will be available on their slot. I wonder if they'll bite.

BTW, much as I like them both, btw, I would def trade Semin and Carlson in a package for Tyler Myers. (It won't happen, of course...)

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 15, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Lidstrom started out as a positional poke checker... would you guys/gals trade him because he didn't have the strength to push players of the puck like Carlson does?

just a thought!

and before anyone tries to string 2 and 2 together, I'm not comparing Alzner to Lidstrom... merely that both their games are mirrors at an early career stage!

trading Alzner would be stupid at this point in his career... patience people, patience!

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

shea weber, now that is one untradeable guy.

The Sabres have a young kid named Mike Weber who plays the game like Shea does. Just a tad less polished.

I'd like to see us start drafting some more players with size, strength, character as more primary attributes. Defensive dmen and power forwards.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Lidstrom started out as a positional poke checker... would you guys/gals trade him because he didn't have the strength to push players of the puck like Carlson does?

just a thought!
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we already have our Lidstrom--its Sarge. Need a different mix on the blueline. Too many pokechecker types isn't how you win Cups.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 2:15 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:

I don't think anyone is going to confused Schultz with Lidstrom, or Alzner for that matter...

yes, we need more grit and gumption back that dag-nab-it!

Green-ProngerLite
Alzner-Carlson
Schultz-???

Poti is a good stop gap... could Patrick McNeil be a good #6 D? kinda like Lepisto turned out to be *after* we traded him away?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

random thought: What I wouldn't give to have Bourque bonafidely make the team this season and Bourque be signed on as a Defenseman consultant! ooooooohhhhhhh, I can dream right?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

I agree completely. People need to have some patience.

@cstanton1

So you wouldn't trade an Erskine for a Lidstrom in his prime because the Caps already have Sarge and that would be too many pokecheckers?

Drafting for "size, strength, character". Isn't that the exact route the Caps followed in their horrible 2005 draft class? Yeah, that worked out real well.

How about just picking the best player available. Thank god GMGM didn't follow cstanton1's brilliant draft plan in 2006 and 2008 or the Caps wouldn't have Backstrom or Carlson on their team.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

I agree completely. People need to have some patience.

@cstanton1

So you wouldn't trade an Erskine for a Lidstrom in his prime because the Caps already have Sarge and that would be too many pokecheckers?

Drafting for "size, strength, character". Isn't that the exact route the Caps followed in their horrible 2005 draft class? Yeah, that worked out real well.

How about just picking the best player available. Thank god GMGM didn't follow cstanton1's brilliant draft plan in 2006 and 2008 or the Caps wouldn't have Backstrom or Carlson on their team.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

One thing about Bourque. While Pittsburgh is weak at the wings what they do have is a bunch of 3rd/4th line checking wingers they just have them on all 4 lines. I was in Pittsburgh during his time and the main complaint most had with Bourque was that he wasn't scoring goals (they had him on Malkin's wing for most of the time) and was just like half the other wings they already had. I think he could still be a good 3rd/4th line wing which is more of what we need and exactally what Pittsburgh didn't need.

As for guys who I think will make the Caps from Hershey next year: Nuevy, Alzner, Carlson, Steve Pinizzotto, and Mathieu Perreault (depending on if the Caps can sign a real #2 center). During the last round BB was on the raido during one of the games and kept talking about how much he like Pinizzotto as a 4th liner because he played with an edge and always keept his feet moving. Watching him in the playoffs when I could I saw him make two great diving plays to get the puck out of the zone when Hershey had been pinned down and had several good him. Personally I can't wait to see him come up either.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 15, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Patrick McNeill is another offensive dman. Maybe he could be a Poti type of replacement 2 yrs from now but I think he's pretty raw. Most of our young guys w/the exception of JC, AG and Pinner need a significant strength upgrade. Those 3 just bowl over the competition. That's how you know at least strength-wise they're ready for the next step.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

By the way it seems the hockeybuzz goalie mystery has been solved it is Martin Brodeur. Here is what was said:


I have been holding off on reporting this one....obviously I have been insinuating it...

It was first told to me as a speculative/theory about two weeks ago...but now I am hearing it from others as well..If nothing else it is interesting to say the least.


Here is the scenario as it appears to be starting to come together.

1. The Devils want to keep Kovalchuk.
2. Martin Brodeur is not a given to keep playing much longer, and will be hired the second he retires to work in the Devils front office.
3. Kovalchuk would consider staying if the Devils would go out and get Semin to play with him.
4. Brodeur would agree to play one (possibly 2) years in Washington. Firming up their goaltending situation and making the Caps the HUGE favorite to win a Stanley Cup. Then he could return to work for the Devils, who would be in a much better situation.
5. Semin is a great player, but the Caps are not opposed to moving him for Brodeur. Interestingly, the Caps signed him to a very short deal.

Posted by: icehammer97 | June 15, 2010 2:40 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

So you wouldn't trade an Erskine for a Lidstrom in his prime because the Caps already have Sarge and that would be too many pokecheckers?

Drafting for "size, strength, character". Isn't that the exact route the Caps followed in their horrible 2005 draft class? Yeah, that worked out real well.

How about just picking the best player available. Thank god GMGM didn't follow cstanton1's brilliant draft plan in 2006 and 2008 or the Caps wouldn't have Backstrom or Carlson on their team.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

are you bipolar? you go from polite to a dick in about 30 seconds flat.

if you took a breath for a moment and stepped back, you'd see that my implication was that the Caps have been drafting for other qualities such as speed and skill as primary attributes for long enough that its time to start paying attention to some other qualities.

and just because McPhee's scouting staff hasn't proven they can spot players with size and strength who are still NHL-capable players, it doesn't change the fact we still need to find a way to get more of those types of prospects into our system. you ahole.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Drafting for "size, strength, character". Isn't that the exact route the Caps followed in their horrible 2005 draft class? Yeah, that worked out real well.
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since you like to throw out blanket statements, let me correct you a little.

Sasha Pokulok - big, but was certainly not a "character" type of player. He was primarily known as a tall defenseman who could skate well for his size. McPhee was angling for the big mobile dman. Pokulok wasn't tough, he didn't have any established leadership skills, and he was not known as a defensive dman.

Joe Finley - yes he fit the bill of requirements at least even though he was considered a project player even back then

Andrew Thomas - yes he fit the bill as well.

Patrick McNeill - not even close to being drafted for his size, strength and grit.

Machesny - goalie

Kennedy - no. But he sure ended up being a gritty little player, for another team.

Dovgan - who knows why the Caps gave up on him or if he gave up on the Caps. And he had concussion issues.

So we only followed a 50-50 blueprint in 2005 for those qualities. You could've easily said they opted to go the mobile route instead, since two of our top 4 picks were drafted for the mobility.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

sgm3,

You are really starting to sound like a broken record with the 2005 draft, it seems to be your ONLY argument every time the topic of size, strength and character come up. Al that is being said is that we have TOO MANY of the same type of player and need to balance things out a bit.

And just an observation, you really have a thing for attacking anything and everything cstanton1 says.....are you sure the two of you aren't married??

Posted by: PhilR | June 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"How about just picking the best player available."

gee sgm, you're a walking cliche now. Well done and way to think outside the box!

Going by your idiotic logic, if the best player that came up every time was a goalie you'd have 10 of em in every draft. Or 10 centers. Or 10 LWers. Of course, that's assuming that your criteria for who the best player is is actually accurate.

We have a good pipeline of young skilled players in our system. From the ones we have on our NHL roster to the ones in Hershey to the ones even younger than that. What we lack are power forwards and defensive dmen. No one's asking for McPhee to go reaching for a player based on a position. But if there is a comparable player (i.e. Nick Petrecki) available the way there was a few yrs ago, he needs to not dump his spot in the draft. It was no coincidence that the Sharks swept right in and took Petrecki with the pick we gave em. If that doesn't prove that McPhee basically ignores tough defensive players who are highly touted, I don't know what does. We had a huge lack in our system for tough defensive dmen and he chose to trade out of that spot in the 1st round 2 yrs ago when Petrecki was sitting there begging to be drafted. This was a kid who was a consensus 1st round pick who we could've drafted. Not a top 5 pick but a guy who was expected to go somewhere from the middle of the 1st round to the early 2nd. And we blew it off. Which speaks volumes about what McPhee's staff values in its prospects. They go after the best skaters all other qualities be damned in the top 3 rounds.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

And just an observation, you really have a thing for attacking anything and everything cstanton1 says.....are you sure the two of you aren't married??

Posted by: PhilR | June 15, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

sgm is just being hormonal. I take responsibility for this. I was supposed to pick up the meds.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Didn't GMGM draft Alzner the year before that? A defensive defenseman that you say is not a good skater.

@PhilR

I agree completely that the Caps, and every NHL team, wants to have balance at the NHL level.

But when drafting I think it is best to take whoever you have rated the highest. This is because players usually take 3 to 4 years, at least, to reach the NHL. A need of a team at the time of the draft may not necessarily be a need 3 or 4 years down the road. In addition, such a high percentage of players drafted in the NHL draft never make it to the NHL.

So I think it is best for a team to draft whatever player has the best chance of being an NHL player or maybe the player who has the highest peak, and then maneuverung the prospects a few years down the road based on the NHL team's needs at the time.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

"During the last round BB was on the raido during one of the games and kept talking about how much he like Pinizzotto as a 4th liner because he played with an edge and always keept his feet moving"

that's good to know he's on the radar. Sometimes our prospects at forward who aren't prototypical goal scorers seem to get forgotten about.

and btw, the Hawks (you know that team who just won the Cup), draft MANY MANY prospects with size. Compare the power forwards and rugged dmen they've drafted with the types of players we have and you'll see the clear difference. They've drafted arguably 11 physical players in the top 3 rounds of the past 6 drafts. The Caps have drafted 3 or 4 and frankly I'm including Mike Green and Ovechkin in that count and we all know that consensus #1 picks should never be included in any discussions pertaining to showing drafting trends.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Didn't GMGM draft Alzner the year before that? A defensive defenseman that you say is not a good skater.
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lol, so now you subvert the argument by pointing to a defensive dman who has shown no inclination to play a physical game. Sorry, let me amend my statement. We need to balance out our system by drafting players who are RUGGED POWER FORWARDS AND RUGGED DEFENSIVE DEFENSEMEN.

come on, did you really think I meant we should draft non-physical defensive dmen? please

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Pinniz and J. Beagle both looked really good to me on the televised Hershey games. A. Gordon is a rhino.

These are the three forwards I liked the most. MP gets a nod.

Carlson looked really, really good. He was pinching and getting back, keeping the puck in the o-zone, defending his crease, etc. Alzner looked okay. He was caught flat-footed a few times and for some reason he ices the puck a lot when he doesn't mean to. He did a great job matching up against Jamie Benn though, who is by all means an NHL'r.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | June 15, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Hockeybuzz is reporting again on the Semin trade rumor! Apparently Kovulchuck will stay with NJ if they bring in Semin. And we get Brodeur...why do we want an ancient goalie! Unless we get a truly great defensemen in the deal to, I will be thoroughly dissapointed. Hopefully this is just a rumor.

Posted by: capscoach | June 15, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

if you really want to look at drafting trends for a team, you have to step outside those first few picks that are almost identical on every team's draft board. Then you'll find a truer indication of what specific teams and GMs value in the players that they draft.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

sgm3: It isn't the same as NFL where drafting "best available" holds more credence. In NFL, there are really about 18-20 different positions and hockey has defense, RW, LW, C and goalie. Hockey has the youngest draft in pro sports as they are all 18. After the top 20 or so, it becomes a real guess as to whether one guy is truly better than another (who can tell?). I can see if you have someone rated 18 and you have the 26 pick in the first round, you snatch that player. Otherwise, round 2 say, 56th pick, two players almost the same, go for what you are most lacking in your system.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 15, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

why do we want an ancient goalie! Unless we get a truly great defensemen in the deal to

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nj has two young capable hardhitting prospects on D in Mark Fraser and Matt Corrente. Both high picks (1st and 3rd rounds) and both are really close to permanently graduate from the AHL.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

my, my... I went back to work for a bit and the testosterone really picked up in here...

anywho, back to hockey!

Not so sure I like the Brodeur rumor, we have better needs at #1 or #2 D and support for Semin with a #2C

would Marty be an upgrade? yes

but think about this... if he stays past one year, you now have to choose between Varly and Nuevy to sign and one has to go through waivers...

and what does it say to the two young goalies when you grab Brodeur? that they can't split the load in net together...

get a #2 D, a #2 C and clear room for A Gordon, and Bourque...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach: remember, Hockeybuzz is 2.3 percent accurate. Odds of that trade happening are slightly less than than getting mauled by a polar bear and a regular bear and being hit by lighting at the same.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach: remember, Hockeybuzz is 2.3 percent accurate. Odds of that trade happening are slightly less than than getting mauled by a polar bear and a regular bear and being hit by lighting at the same.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't get why Bourque's name keeps coming up as an option for next season. He's a marginal NHL player at best.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 15, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@Steve_R:
probably because he's improved every season so far and is done with his ELC very soon.

Much like other Caps that were not on their ELC, I could see him staying up in DC because of it... and then proving he can play...

I'd be ok with this:

In DC:
F:
1-Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
2-Laich-UFA Center-Semin
3-Chimera-Perreault-Fehr
4-Bradley-B.Gordon/Steckel-A.Gordon
Scratch: Bourque (LW/C)

x-Flash (trade bait)

Laing (UFA, not resigned)
Belanger(UFA, not resigned)
Morrison (UFA, not resigned)
Walker (UFA, not resigned)


D:
Green-Schultz (RFA, resigned)
Poti-UFA signing/via Flash trade
Carlson-Alzner
x-Erskine

Morrisonn (UFA, not resigned)
Corvo (UFA, not resigned)
Jurcina (UFA, not resigned)

Minors:
x-Sloan
x-McNeil (RFA, resigned)

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Bourque has been done with his entry-level for a while now..

Posted by: richmondphil2 | June 15, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

if bourque's last name wasn't bourque, he'd never get discussed. Would we be talking about Chris Smith the diminutive goal scorer from Hershey when we have limited room on our top 2 lines?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Frank, Bourque has gotten better - yes. But he doesn't have the talent to skate on a scoring line or the size to skate on a checking line.

When his entry level contract is up, let him walk.


Posted by: Steve_R | June 15, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm still pulling for Anton Gus. We need centers with size who play with some competitiveness and he seems to at least have some of those intangibles. I don't know about the rest of his skill set but I hear he's going to be at Hershey next year.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Beagle is bigger than Gussy and I think rightfully deserves a good, hard luck come September.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | June 15, 2010 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense. They needed him to be a 2nd line centre and it didn't really work out. Still need to find a good 2nd line centre and one solid defensive defenceman if they want to make a real run next year.

Posted by: Stu_c | June 15, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach: remember, Hockeybuzz is 2.3 percent accurate. Odds of that trade happening are slightly less than than getting mauled by a polar bear and a regular bear and being hit by lighting at the same.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

People, remember that Brodeur took a discount to stay with the Devils when he signed his last contract - he wanted to leave enough money so they could sign other good players. He has repeatedly said that he wants to play his entire career with one team, AND - he has a no trade clause.

Who thinks up these trade rumors? It's more likely that I'd score the winning goal in the Stanley Cup playoffs than Brodeur will be traded to the Caps!

Posted by: DevilsCapsGal | June 15, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah I'd take Beags over Gus right now. Gus seems like a raw product. I just meant I hope that Gus turns into a top 2 center at some point because it would really help being able to homegrow some top centers who play a two way game. Beags is like Laich. Can play wing and center, skates well, has size, doesn't do one thing particularly well but is just an all-around solid player at both ends. And he gives us another guy who can play the PK. And he's another guy who contributes to some team toughness, he won't go looking for a fight but he doesn't back down and he can handle himself.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 5:31 PM | Report abuse

has anyone noticed that 99.9 percent of all the trade or FA rumours discussed on here or elsewhere never come to fruition??

Brodeur to Washington? now that should top the list as far as being the most ridiculous of all the rumours.

Posted by: joek443 | June 15, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@ FrankM73

That team would hardly be an upgrade over this year, and only leave around 5 million for our #2 C and top #4 D with the raises coming for Schultz and Fehr... (if the CBA remains the same)

As i've stated a few times before i would like to resign all RFA's, trade Fehr + Steckel for Clarkson, Flash for Clutterbuck, Sign Zbynek Michalek and Lombardi as UFA's and bring back B. Gordon. Promote MP, A.Gordon, Carlson and Alzner.

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Semin-Lombardi-Laich
Clarkson-Perreault-Clutterbuck
Bradley-B.Gordon-Chimera
A.Gordon

Michalek-Poti
Schultz-Green
Alzner-Carlson
Sloan

Varlamov-Neuvirth

Posted by: Walle | June 15, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Yeah, that makes sense for Gussy. I think it's clear Beags will never have the skillset to be a top 2 center, but I still think Gussy has a lot of development to go before he's ready. It's at least what I keep reading, I haven't actually seen him play much.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | June 15, 2010 5:38 PM | Report abuse

@Walle:
I like the enthusiam with the Clutterbuck and Clarkson trades but realistically speaking, GM's don't trade players they just sign (Fehr).

I'm with you on the Lombardi and Perreault moves but am not sure Michalek will be GMGM's target.
I hope Flash goes in a trade package that yields a solid #2 D...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 15, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

@ FrankM73

Maybe not, but that would be the case with Flash wouldn't it? or is it the rights to sign him we're trading?

No, Michalek doesn't seem like the kind of player GMGM normally goes after, but neither did Knuble last year, so it's not impossible. I think he would fit the bill pretty good.

I'm ok with the idea of trading for a #2 D also, but i want to keep Semin around. I think he will be the differencemaker if he gets a good center. So the trade could include Fehr, Flash, Steckel, Erskine, #1 pick (26th), prospects.. Should bring us back something to fill our needs..

Posted by: Walle | June 15, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

@Walle

Great lineup.

I like how we keep Semin and give him a real #2 center - that's better than dumping him.

Posted by: CAP-lanta | June 15, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

to get that you'd have to give up Flash and Sarge. I don't think even Flash plus Alzner would cut it.. top 4 D are more valuable then skilled one-dimensional wingers lacking size and balls. I'd say Flash plus Semin but then you're talking a trade that makes sense from a salary point of view. If you look at realistically who we can trade that other people would want, the list is Flash, Semin, Sarge and possibly Alzner. Those are the players with decent trade values who we could possibly get by without.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

@Walle

I could live with all of that except getting rid of Fehr.

The lines look great for next year but I think keeping Fehr is very important because Semin and Knuble both become UFAs after next year and both could easily leave (Knuble may retire also). They are going to need Fehr to step in as a top 2 line RW after next year.

So if the Caps kept Fehr instead of acquiring Clarkson I would be 100% on board.

My only other small concern is B. Gordon. This is only because of his back problems and the potential for him to get hurt.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

sgm, no more comments about how drafting for size, character, and grit is allegedly a horrible draft strategy? Apparently you've been "harping" on the 2005 Caps draft as proof of this theory, still feel that way ? I could toss a pebble into the draft ocean and find several examples of years where teams specifically drafted for size and grit and came away with 2 or 3 NHLers at least. Would that disprove your theory since you're basing it on one Caps draft year. Where ironically, only half the draft picks really fit that mold.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 15, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

@ sgm3

I hear you, And maybe i could live with Fehr on our 3rd line. Though i rather have the 3rd with MP's speed and hands combined with the physical presence of Clarkson/Clutterbuck, whom both can score on ocaasions. Not to mention that Clarkson
is great in front of the goal on the PP.

But if we keep Semin and can't negotiate a long term before the deadline next year we trade him for Knuble's replacement in case he retires/goes elsewhere.

I feel the same way about B.Gordons backproblems, but we have good back-up in Hersey for a 4th line C in that case. His PK skills and good playoffs this year puts him over Steckel in my book.

Posted by: Walle | June 15, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

And while drafting is on the subject.
I say you draft for skill, and trade for grit. Of course both if it's available.
Skilled players are usually "worth" more in a trade and if a team overloads, use them to fill the holes, just like i want the Caps to do now.
You never know if a big guy pans out to a NHL'er, but skill is needed on every team. He may not be a good fit for your team (flash at the moment) be could we higher valued elsewhere..
Just my 2 cents...

Posted by: Walle | June 15, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

"He can't wear 4 in DC because it belongs to Erskine. He wore 11 in the world jrs but that number is retired. My guess is that he likes the #11 and 7 + 4 = 11. Only a guess."
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Good guess pebowers. Carlson wore #11 for the OHL's London Knights as well as at the world juniors. In Hershey the #11 is taken by Aucoin, so he wears #4 instead and with the Caps the #11 is retired and the #4 is taken by Erskine, so he picked the #74 because 7 + 4 = 11. He talked about the number choice of #74 with the Caps at the Caps on the Fly event near the end of the season.

Posted by: theresa21 | June 15, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

can the caps do it with these two?
i think so...
(losses include ot/so)
neuvy
gp _gaa _sv% _W _L
39 2.45 .916 24 13 ahl reg season
40 1.99 .927 30 10 ahl post season
22 2.80 .910 11 05 nhl reg season

varly
gp _gaa _sv% _W _L
30 2.35 .918 09 08 ahl reg season
32 2.52 .911 19 11 nhl reg season
19 2.49 .915 10 09 nhl post season

nhl reg season for both is 30W-16L - that translates to 53-29

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 15, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

On your recent post on our kids in goal, 53-29 will be good enough for the playoffs. That's 106 points and we're not even accounting for any Bettman points (which I'm sure would happen).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2010 7:45 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Bears for their 2nd consecutive Calder Cup. May we see several of the chocolate kids with the Caps next year, including Carlson, Alzner, Neuwirth, and Perreault.

May the Caps also win the Stanley Cup. So Don Quixovechkin and Sasha Semin Panza, two comrades in arms, in both good times and bad times, can find their Holy Grail.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 15, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

How can you say Alzner is not rugged? Have you seen that beard?

http://dc.sbnation.com/2010/6/15/1519177/karl-alzner-beard-calder-cup-hershey-bears

Posted by: pkendrick | June 15, 2010 8:28 PM | Report abuse

Depending on what trades/FA acquisitions are made, I would like to see Beagle, Andrew Gordon, and Pinizzotto have a shot at making the Caps. If the Caps play their cards right, they can fill both their major needs and bring 2 or 3 of the Bears up to get more experience - and have some cap space left.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 15, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Have to like what Neuvy did in this post season especially winning 6 of 7 overtime games. Hershey beat writer Tim Leone reports Neuvy’s numbers in the last two postseasons as: 30-10, 1.98 GAA, .927 save percentage, five shutouts.

Posted by: dull | June 15, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: You can go back and read through the 3,279,644 posts I've made since the Caps fell out of the Playoffs and not once have I advocated trading Neuvy or Varly or trading for a goalie.

I did however leave open the possibility of acquiring a vet next March 1st if necessary. But, many times I said we get 100+ points with the youngsters.

On a scale of 1-10, "10" being most tradeable, here are the only players I put on that list: Flash 10, Erskine 9, Semin 5, Poti 5, BGordon 3 (if you keep AGordon); Steckel 2, Alzner 1 (only if you get back a really good 22-year-old center and sign two UFA D).

And, on resign chances: Belanger - if you acquire a #2 offensive center and maybe move Steckel; ShaMo (if you move Poti and Alzner); Bourque - maybe as #13 F; AGordon - very good chance, since they lose him otherwise.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 15, 2010 11:33 PM | Report abuse

combined varly and neuvy have 73 nhl games (reg and post season)
i'm not confident that either can carry the load for a whole season - meaning 55-65 games. if they do go with these guys i'd be supprised to see either one hit the 50 mark for the season.
what would be nice is if i'm way off base and one of them takes the job and ends ups with 60+ starts

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 15, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I agree with all of that.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 15, 2010 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Reading the comments on this blog is like watching a drunk dentist pull his own tooth out to prove what a good dentist he is.

Posted by: large23220 | June 16, 2010 1:25 AM | Report abuse

large23220,

Since you are posting on the blog at 1:30AM are you that drunk dentist?

Posted by: PhilR | June 16, 2010 7:18 AM | Report abuse

I thought the plan was for Theo to bridge the gap for 2 years, while Varly and Neuvy were prepared? I say let the kids team up and carry the load! It doesn't seem to me that Neuvy needs another year in the minors.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | June 16, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

No trading G's. A vet will be signed, 1-2 year deal, and one who expects to be a backup. This will give Varly the chance to start with Neuvy in PA. Lets be fair, neither prospect has shown they can stay healthy. Eklund was the moron who put out the goalie rumor and Brodeur is not going to happen.

There are zero reasons to go for a trade as an UFA D can be had and Semin will stay. It's a put up or shut up season for him and he will get an extension offer.

A 2C is only a 1-2 year, 2-3m deal away, there are options and this gives the chance for our Swedish pipeline to work. The plan has worked so far ... minus the first round this year ... so everyone relax. (Even though I've traded everyone but the first line so far on these boards)

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 8:49 AM | Report abuse

flee, why sign a vet goalie when we have two good goalies already? Neuvirth isn't going to get any better at Hershey, he should be on the Caps with Varly. And Neuvirth doesn't have much of a injury history - he's gotten hurt twice that I can find, and one was only for a couple games.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 16, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

Timmy, I see your point but thinking more about playing time. Neuvy gets more in Hershey, good for him and yes he has to Cups already but do you think BB will stunt his and Varly development? I bring this up as BB is an @$$ with goalies so a vetran shield makes sense. The big thing is getting a backup type keeper who can be assigned to Hershey so both kids can stay up if they warrant it. Who knows, it was said earlier that Holtby may be the true future.

This time next year, maybe at trade deadline even, one of these two youngsters will be moved similar to what Mtl has going on.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

In addition, some analysts keep on saying the Caps need a veteran goalie. Varly, while young, has already started 18 playoff games, including 3 game 7s.

Varly, overall, has performed very well in the playoffs.

He also has much more experience than either of the SCF goalies this year and more experience than Marc-Andre Fleury had the first time the Pens made the finals.

IMO, it's time to go with Varly and Neuvy.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 16, 2010 9:22 AM | Report abuse

Neuvirth getting more playing time in Hershey is going to do nothing for his development. Right now, the Caps have two NHL-ready goalies in Neuvirth and Varly, and two AHL-ready goalies in Holtby and Cash. Let Holtby be the starter in Hershey, so he can develop; let Varly and Neuvirth split the Caps starts so they can continue to develop; and let Cash be the veteran backup in Hershey, like he has been doing. That would allow for all 3 young goalies to develop in the ways that they need to, without wasting money on a veteran goalie that we don't need.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 16, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

flee, if either Neuvirth or Varly is potentially going to be getting traded in the near future, we need to play them both in the NHL for 2 reasons. First, to see which of them would be better to keep. Second, to let other teams see them in order to establish a fair trade value. If Neuvirth stays at Hershey, he's going to be worth very little when trading time comes.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 16, 2010 9:43 AM | Report abuse

I hope so, that two young guys get chance to shine with Holtby getting full time shot in Hershey. We get to see what we truly have as does the league but something tells me GMGM may (big may) go after a vet for 1 year at least. Signing a vet G will only make sense if it's 1 year and a backup guy for less than 1m year.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 9:46 AM | Report abuse

i think the bears should change there colors to red and white to match the caps. i like how texas has there jerseys to match dallas. bears should do the same.

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No...just no. The Caps do not own the Bears...Dallas owns Texas, that's why they match.

I don't think any NHL team will ever own the Bears for that matter. There is way too much history here.

I love the Bears and the Caps to death, and being from Central PA, I do not want to ever see the Bears change their colors.

However, when they were doing all the RBK jerseys stuff, I had actually hoped for the Bears to use the same jersey style as the caps, but in Chocolate and White. However, the jerseys they have now are spectacular.

Posted by: shadowlurker1121 | June 16, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

I don't want money wasted on a vet G, I want to ride what we have but I could see a vet being added. It does make sense to play the young guys. They are no longer for the future, they are now and if we learn anything from the Mtl series it's to give the young G a chance. Long time ago in a galaxy far, far away Kolzig got his chance due to injury and ran with it, time for a new young guy to run with it and for 1A G to become the next Dafoe.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

flee, I think GMGM will stick with Varly and Neuvirth, and only go for a veteran backup if something happens that changes the situation. That could be an injury, an extended period of poor play from one or both, or maybe even something else I'm not thinking of. The thing is, any goalie you can get for less than $1M is going to be a big downgrade from Varly and Neuvirth.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 16, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

LOVE the Bears colors, they should never change. Unless the Caps create their own AHL team as did Dallas then no, colors remain. The history is amazing, not even an argument ... now the Wizards, they need to change their colors for Mr. Leonsis.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Makes no sense to acquire a goalie. Our goalie cap situation may be the best in the league, and we like both our guys. The only way we bring one in is if we move Varly. But that is more a trade deadline move than a summer priority.

I also think we need to buy a few guys out. Erskine and Sloan, do we need them both? If they cannot be moved, one needs to be bought out.

Looking at other teams rosters, Calgary seems to be a mess. They spend too much on D, and need to resign White and Giordano. Perfect time to get Regher. Flash and a prospect may be enough, they need scoring.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 16, 2010 10:02 AM | Report abuse

I'm in total agreement with most of the opinions about the Bears colors. The Bears have a long, proud history (much longer than the Caps, I should add) and should keep the uniform they have. They are not the Caps' AHL team in the same way the Stars are Dallas' AHL team - they are simply a longstanding AHL team who has an agreement with the Caps. I just hope I can make it to Hershey for a game eventually.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 16, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

underpants, good point on D and one I've read a few times, few different areas. There are depth guys, Sloan/Erks, that either need to be cut loose or ... yeah, just cut loose. I've said before if you cannot crack roster in playoffs then there is no roster spot for you. We had Carlson/Alzner in game 7, that is all you need to know about our D situation. A top 4 pairing is needed, house cleaning of non-playing guys and again, lets the kids have a shot here.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 10:19 AM | Report abuse

How can you say Alzner is not rugged? Have you seen that beard?

http://dc.sbnation.com/2010/6/15/1519177/karl-alzner-beard-calder-cup-hershey-bears

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he definitely LOOKS rugged, kinda has that mike commodore thing going. He plays like a nancy though.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 10:21 AM | Report abuse

I'm not in favor of dumping Steckel no matter what anyone says. His assets to me far outweigh his lack of speed which wasn't an issue 2 yrs ago when he skated v the Penguins and comprised a very effective checking line. It was just stupid for Bruce to even try to use him at wing this year in the playoffs. Steckel is a workhorse and he's durable, two things you just don't take for granted. He can handle the rigors of the NHL and he does a lot of dirty work for this team.

so out of camp if the 3 that most are in agreement here make the team, it leaves us with this...
Ovy-Backs-Knuble
Laich-newCenter-Fehr
Chimera-Beagle/MP-AGordon
Bradley-Steckel-Pinner

predicated on Semin being traded, and Belanger and BGordo not being brought back. Definitely a cheaper lineup and you get a little bit of an agitator presence in there with Pinner and more overall physicality thru the lineup. And you get some PK help with Pinner and Beagle.

Bringing in those 3 young guys would really free up this team to do some things to bolster other parts.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

I think Belanger on 2yr deal makes sense as he's high energy and great on faceoffs. Mentor for young guys also as a third line center.

If we go with two young G's, add an UFA top 4 D and UFA 2C then there is no need to get rid of Semin. Flash, yes, Semin stays

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I've said before if you cannot crack roster in playoffs then there is no roster spot for you.
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that's an argument that is based on the premise that matchups don't matter. Boudreau himself said that Erskine would've been in there v a team like the
Bruins or possibly the Flyers. The matchup didn't favor him against a speedier skilled team that wasn't physical so he sat. Sloan played well in the limited time he saw and Bruce went with experience instead of having too many rooks on the blueline. And the argument can be made for Sloan that he still hasn't hit his ceiling yet.

Erskine, what you see is what you get. He's not unlike many other players around the league who get limited or no time in the playoffs but who are decent role players during the reg season and won't be cut loose for that very reason. But again, had we faced a different team its very possible Erskine could've seen some playoff action.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

cstanton,

I agree on Pinner. That kids wheels never stop moving. No Flash?

Posted by: Steve_R | June 16, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Oh, and Belanger is a possibility as GMGM has come out and said no to Brendan, Walker, Corvo while announcing work with Fehr. This means Belanger will be explored as will Flash (if a trade is not worked out).

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 10:39 AM | Report abuse

I agree with flee.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 16, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I too agree with flee.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

If we go with two young G's, add an UFA top 4 D and UFA 2C then there is no need to get rid of Semin. Flash, yes, Semin stays

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

frankly, there's no need to ever get rid of Semin even if you have to trade assets to get a 2nd line center. You can choose from guys like Fehr, Flash, Schultz etc and fill some of those positions from within or via free agency. The main reason to get rid of Semin besides the value he'd bring back in a trade is to shake up the chemistry of the team and esp that 2nd line. If you don't agree with that, then you can always make a good argument to keep him and trade other players to get what you want. I think this past season for me really proved that no matter what type of #s Semin puts up, his eventual payoff isn't enough. I don't consider him an irreplaceable cog. Whether he puts up 30 or 50 goals, when you really need him to show up you can never be sure of what type of effort you'll get. He's untrustworthy, unreliable and he should've matured enough by this point to make serious strides. I thought his effort in playoff seasons was the best possibly 2 yrs ago v the Flyers. And even then, not for the whole series, just in the latter half. I think starting in game 4 he turned a new leaf and really started competing. To me, he hasn't even reached that level of playoff intensity in the 2 yrs since so I don't see any forward progress. Time to cut ties and move on. If he hadn't potted a single goal but played some balls-out hockey in the entire Montreal series, I may feel a bit differently.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

flee001: If you say drop Gordon and put in Belanger, you have a $600-750K cap hit. Now move Flash and sign Koivu another $600K about cap hit. Caps had $3.3M space now with those moves $2M. Now trade Erskine for a pick, you have $3.25M for that UFA D. Is that enough? Can you upgrade the D enough by only moving Flash and Ersk if you also keep Belanger over Gordon or MP?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 16, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

cstanton,

I agree on Pinner. That kids wheels never stop moving. No Flash?

Posted by: Steve_R | June 16, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

i don't even think about Flash anymore. In my mind he's already gone.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

I think GMGM's biggest mistakes have come with overpaying average 4th liners and fringe players.

Steckel should not be making $1.1M/yr. I'm not even sure he should be the 4th line center on this team. He is good in certain matchups, so he has his role, but that is more of a $700k/yr guy.

Erskine is a 7th defender who can be used in certain matchups. Those guys have a role on teams, but not at $1.25M/yr. He is a $700k/yr guy.

Sloan has a role as an 8th defender/14th forward. However, $700k/yr is too much for him. He should be at the league minimum.

Even Bradley making $1M/yr is too much. Bradley definitely has a role on the Caps but usually players of his talent are paid around $800k/yr.

Neither of these contracts by themselves is that big of a deal. But when you add them all up it comes to about $1.5M in wasted money. So I am all for calling up 2 guys from Hershey and giving them a shot on the 4th line. Probably A. Gordon and either Beagle or Pinner.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 16, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

Belanger may be "high energy" depending on what your definition is for that term but to me he buzzes around a lot and doesn't do much. Now look at someone like Tyler Kennedy from the Pens. Whether he's at center or wing, he buzzes around and is always doing something good. He's always on top of the play. I don't equate EB with a Tyler Kennedy type. He's just not as effective using his speed as he could be.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

So keep Gordo in place of Belanger. Could work, both very similar, it comes down to money. Ya know, sadly more and more it seems Semin being moved is the way to go as his salary creates the room to add 2, 1-1/2 more players.

Lets see how Ilya plays out, do you think Semin's value goes up for anyone missing out on Ilya and if so which teams?

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Semin is going into his contract year and will be a UFA for the first time.

In all sports, it has been proven(I do not recall where the statistical evaluation is) that players generally put up significantly better numbers in their UFA contract years than any of their other playing years.

So one would assume that Semin will train harder this offseason and focus harder this season than any of the previous. Because of this, barring injury, I am expecting Semin to have his career year this year.

Then once he signs a big deal it wouldn't surprise me to see his production drop.

This happens in all sports.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 16, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

i actually agree with that. Bradley and Erskine can easily be replaced by guys who do what they do (in some cases better) for much cheaper. Take a Sheldon Brookbank from the Ducks. Easily does what Erskine can do and probably better. I think Brookbank makes like half a mil. He's younger, tougher, better at the offensive end, better skater etc. And there's probably a dozen players better and cheaper than Bradley out there. Sometimes you have to overpay a bit to accomodate your head coach who may be comfortable with a certain player. But in terms of salary efficiency, some of our role players are definitely overpaid and frankly just not as effective in their roles as they should be. But then, the overarching weakness of the Caps front office is in drafting, evaluating, and developing role players. So it doesn't surprise me.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

sgm3, so totally agree, see it all the time (look at Fat Albert with Skins). So keep on roster, value goes up, swing him for trade need at deadline.

Posted by: flee001 | June 16, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

It took a while but we finally agreed on something.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 16, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Re: goalies...

Just my two cents, but having watched both Varly and Neuvy at Hershey and DC, I think they should both be in DC next year, and by the end of the season Neuvy will be #1.

Posted by: tess2201 | June 16, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm going to disagree with you guys on Bradley. He gets 10+10=20 about each year and, for a UFA vet, that is worth $1M. You can get a cheaper guy for #4RW but you won't get the 10 goals. OTOH, you can take a chance on a guy like AGordon at $700K but you don't really know the payback.

tominsocal1 quicky salary guide for forwards: 10 goals = $1M; 20 goals = $2-3M; 30 goals = $4.5M; 40 goals = $6M; 50 goals = $7.5M plus. Obviously more complicated than that, but rough guideline for your UFA vets and your superstar RFAs and those (like Flash) near UFA status.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 16, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

It took a while but we finally agreed on something.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 16, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

and who would've thought it would've been re: role players.

You can replace Bradley with a younger bigger version who can also scrap for cheaper. Prust makes half a mil also. He can do everything Bradley can do better. And he may not be taller but he's built stronger. Cody McLeod makes half a mil also and he IS bigger. To pay more than a million to a Matt Bradley type is insane unless the level of leadership he brings is so great that it makes up for it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

sorry, McLeod WAS making a half mil. With his contract extension he's making 900K/yr. Still, I'd rather have him at that salary than Brads at a mil or more.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

flee: That's what we've been saying all along with Semin. That money and Flash give you a first pair D, a #2 center like Koivu and a good checking forward.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | June 16, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

Odds of that trade happening are slightly less than than getting mauled by a polar bear and a regular bear and being hit by lighting at the same.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 15, 2010 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Out of curiosity, oldtime, have you heard the part about the bears and lightning used before? I'm curious because I've used the phrase before myself, and I thought I came up with it, but maybe I unknowingly heard it somewhere else.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | June 16, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

just to reinforce what a lot of us already know, but maybe the Caps and Boudreau could read this. Refers to how the Bears adjusted from being down 2 games to none in the Finals:


Shortly after Hershey arrived in Texas on June 6, 37-year-old defenseman Bryan Helmer, the Bears' captain, called a players-only meeting.

“I'm not a big guy to do stuff like that,'' Helmer said Tuesday night.

“I told the guys that this was probably the most skilled team I've ever played on. But sometimes skill doesn't win games. You've got to be willing to put in the hard work.''

The Stars were taking away the middle of the ice, forcing Hershey to shoot from the outside. Giroux had little room to move.

Pure skill wouldn't be enough. The Bears had to change their identity. The flashy extra pass for the highlight-reel goal was out. Cycling the puck and staying back on defense were necessities.

“We just decided to play a different game, play a dirtier system, a dirtier game,'' Hershey forward Jay Beagle said.

“We started crashing the net, and we weren't concerned with trying to be so skilled. We kept it simple.''

Hershey's hard-nosed approach began to pay dividends midway thru Game 3. The Bears scored five straight goals to win, 6-3. There was a pulse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

now, do you think a player like Semin could adjust his game accordingly? I don't think so. I've seen guys like Backstrom do it. But Semin and Flash seem less inclined to show patience (or grit) to play a cycling game and cut out the risky or low% plays.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 16, 2010 12:14 PM | Report abuse

From ESPN:

The Hole: More help on defense

The Capitals are coming off the wrong side of one of the biggest upsets in NHL postseason history. While there are a number of reasons for the loss to the Montreal Canadiens -- luck is legitimately one of them, too -- the Capitals still lack a shut-down defenseman. Defensemen like Mike Green, Tom Poti and John Carlson can move the puck as well as anyone, but shutdown defensemen they are not. Jeff Schultz (plus-52 goal differential at even strength) clearly made great progress last season, but he is probably more apt to fill in the No. 4 defenseman slot on the team instead of the No. 2 position.

The Fix: Sign D Willie Mitchell (UFA, Vancouver Canucks)

The Canucks' defense missed the dependable Mitchell this past postseason. The stay-at-home defenseman excels at playing a physical game against the opponents' top lines and brings terrific leadership to the table. Unlike Zbynek Michalek and Anton Volchenkov, Mitchell is not going to demand big money on the market. With Nicklas Backstrom, Alexander Semin and Alex Ovechkin eating into the team's cap space, signing the 34-year-old to an affordable two- to three-year deal should be a nice addition to a team that is lacking in an area in which Mitchell excels.

E.J.'s Take: I like Mitchell, but his health is a major question mark after he missed the second half of the season and playoffs due to a concussion. He's a gritty performer but I don't see a fit with the high-flying Caps.

I thought they might make a play for Ottawa Senators free agent Anton Volchenkov, but the Caps are saying they won't make an offer. They could make a pitch for another shot-blocking defenseman, like Phoenix's Michalek if he hits the market.

I think GM George McPhee might be wise to add an experienced vet with Cup-winning experience to his talented group. That player could be a forward or defenseman. Someone like potential free-agent pivot John Madden could be a valuable addition.

Posted by: Jordan_Kitts | June 16, 2010 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Flash is really the only realistic asset that could be traded!
Erskine's value in a trade is a throw in to a trade with multiple parts OR maybe a late pick.

This is how I see it going down:

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Laich-Lombardi-Semin
A.Gordon-Perreault-Fehr
Chimera-B.Gordon-Bradley
Steckel
Bourque

Schultz-Green
D via UFA/trade-Poti
Alzner-Carlson
Sloan

Varlamov-Neuvirth

GMGM rarely loses assets for nothing. Using that logic, Perraeult may not make it as 3rd Center because he's still on his ELC. I personally think he forces the issues and earns it.

Based on above (and Bourque and A.Gordon being resigned) both make the team artly because GMGM doesn't like giving away assets, and mostly because Bourque is better this year and A.Gordon will totally earn a roster spot.

Nuevy will end up #1 by the end of the season!

Flash, Erskine, a prospect, a pick dealt for a solid #2 or 3 D.... I hope

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 16, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

@jordan_kitts:

Of all the UFA D, Willie Mitchell sounds like a GMGM pickup...

I mean, Pothier's concussion issue was resolved and Mitchell would be cheap considering his issues from last season and probably lack of interest.

that GMGM is a savy feller'... bet he's got Mitchell high on his list!

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 16, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

My thoughts (not that they are worth much)

Go with Varly/Neuvy as they have nothing left to do in Hershey.

Same argument for Alzner.

How about Flash and Erskine for Regehr (or another top paid Dman)? They get scoring and a replacement D for the same price as the 1 players.

Sloan's 700K is a little high but not that much. I would think 600K but it's not going to kill us.

Brads is totally worth the 1M. Just think of the extra 200K as his PR salary for all those great interviews, videos, etc... Also, they should totally bring back Dr. Bradley for Forces of Hockey. The new guy was terrrible.

If we don't trade for a 2C or top 4 Dman, then I would like Lombardi for 2C and either Willie Mitchell (provided he is healthy) or Michalek.

And how about this for a line-up...
Ovi-Nicky-Knubs
Semin-Lombardi-Fehr
Chewy-Laich-A. Gordo
Gordo-Stecks-Brads
Pinner
Beags

While he is my first choice to replace Knubs on the top line, Laich is technically a Center and his defensive game should equate to a 3C role but with more offensive output.

And I have this feeling that A. Gordo is what Knuble was in Boston before. Knubs gets injured and he steps right in. He already plays Knubles game and could easily take his place after next year.

Green-Sarge
Michalek-Poti
Carlson-Alzner
Sloan

That gives us 3 righties and 3 lefties (which you know BB loves)

Varly/Neuvy

Who knows what we do with Flash & Erskine. Maybe we trade them for picks or use them in a trade for a 2C or Dman and down't sign the 2 guys from Phoenix. Those parts are interchangeable.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 16, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Also, did anybody catch what GMGM said on NHL Live today? I know he was on but I didnt' catch it.

Posted by: pkendrick | June 16, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

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