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Posted at 1:12 PM ET, 12/ 6/2010

Video: Caps' Brooks Laich still loves his job

By Lindsay Applebaum

Brooks Laich's love of hockey -- til the day he dies -- has been well documented. Now he takes us back to the beginning, starting from when his dad put him in skates at two years old.

"After school, you'd go to the rink and you'd scrimmage until it was suppertime, you'd come home and you'd go back afterward," Laich said. "And that's all it was; that's all life was." Here's the clip:

HBO's "24/7 Penguins/Capitals: Road to the Winter Classic" premieres Wed., Dec. 15 at 10 p.m.

By Lindsay Applebaum  | December 6, 2010; 1:12 PM ET
Categories:  Brooks Laich, Winter Classic  
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Anyone hearing any hints as to who is on IR? If it is Green I think I might cry a bit...but at the same time...if he needs a week or two to completely heal...do it now!

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

great little clip on Brooksie! Wish we had 2 of him!

Posted by: FrankM73 | December 6, 2010 1:22 PM | Report abuse

repost:

Both Semin and OV have been battling small injuries. Have you seen OV shaking his hand a lot? Would not be surprised if it is a biggie like one of them. MP moves up and Laich goes back to wing.

Just saving the players for the Winter Classic. Can't have the Winter Classic without OV or Semin playing.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 6, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 6, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

For all of the complaining about net presence(the lack of it was definitely a problem on Saturday), I hope people saw how Ovie was in front of the net a lot in the 2nd half of the Dallas game and the 2nd half of the Atlanta game.

I'm guessing BB was laying into the team about getting to the net and Ovie was doing his best to listen to the ooach and lead by example. It didn't lead to goals(It should have led to one against Dallas), but for all the criticisms of Ovie, I think he should get credit for that. It is the sort of leading by example you want your captain to do.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Nice vid Brooksie. Glad to have you here.

Posted by: Justafan | December 6, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Ovi did go to the net a few times I agree. The whole 2nd half of both those games I dont think is accurate.

Posted by: ThePat | December 6, 2010 1:30 PM | Report abuse

a competitive advantage against the Leafs by not announcing who's going on IR later today? Nope, BB is just an a@@ and HE NEEDS TO GO!
Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Sorry @VT, you're going to have to explain this one. BB isn't announcing because he's an a@@? and that's why he needs to go? Plenty of good coaches would be gone if not being an a@@ were a qualification for the job, but somehow it doesn't seem like we have to worry about that with Boudreau anyway. That's about the last tag I'd lay on him.

Posted by: Justafan | December 6, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@CTCapsPhan

the Classic is just a two point reg. season game. Exciting for us, but not any more important than another reg, season game for the team.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

@CTCapsPhan

the Classic is just a two point reg. season game. Exciting for us, but not any more important than another reg, season game for the team.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

I would have to politely disagree with you. Teams would not be making such a big deal to get into this game if it was just a regular season game. By definition it may be. But in attitude it is not. Especially with the whole HBO buildup behind it. Can you imagine the disaster if HBO builds up OC and Crosby and one of them gets hurt and can't play?

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 6, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, OC should be OV of course. DOH!

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 6, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

From last thread:

Hey sgm3,

How do we know what position needs to be filled? The person going on IR hasn't been announced as of yet. And there are 5 players on the current roster that can play center with four lines to go around, where is that slot for MP??!!

Posted by: PhilR

Posted by: PhilR | December 6, 2010 1:39 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

BB hasn't been pleased with the play at 2C and is giving MP a shot at it. Probably MJ will play 3rd line center with either BGordon or Steckel sitting.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

And how are you privy to this information? Do the two of you chat on a daily basis because I certainly have not seen that written anywhere nor have I heard BB say this.

Posted by: PhilR | December 6, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

I'm privy to this information because I actually read the entire article instead ofonly looking for a statement or two before reaching conlcusions. This is from the last post:

"We thought we're struggling a little bit in that No. 2 hole at center, [we have] used a lot of different guys and this is his opportunity to take it," Boudreau said.

Do you still disagree with my statement that BB hasn't been pleased with the play at #2 C.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

He/she knows the same way we know BB isnt pleased with net presence. But sgm3 likes MP a lot more so he/she will dismiss net pressence as an issue and be happy MP has been called up.

Thats the bottom line. Not worth debating stuff with people that come across as having a god complex :)

Posted by: ThePat | December 6, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

See above about BB's comment and please let me know where I am incorrect for the reason why MP was brought up?

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised BB is disappointed in the play of our #2Cs.

Every person on here (almost) said during the summer and camp that we didn't have a #2C!

And we still don't!

This is like a someone saying that they are disappointed that the square peg doesn't fit into the round hole!

Duh!

At least we got hannan so we can all quit being disappointed that we don't have a good SaH d-man.

BTW, PhilR, the player they recall on IR doesn't necessarily have to be the same position as the player that goes on IR. We have 8 active D now and it was 7 for most of the season. Putting a D on IR, if that's what it is, and then having the 14/7 split F/D just gets us back to where we were.

MP is easy to recall because no waivers. Others like AGordon because he went through waivers would have a ten-game limit before waivers again.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

sgm3,

How is that coming out and saying that he has not been pleased with MaJo's play? To me MaJo has done a fine job at 2C when Laich and Semin are his wings but BB keeps putting Semin on the first line and rotating Flash (in the past), Knuble and Fehr into those wing positions. If anyone is to blame for the 2nd line and MaJo not meshing it is BB for not keeping a line together. He looked awesome in a couple games with Laich and Semin if you recall.

ThePat,

I know it is useless to discuss anything with the guy as he is always right. I am done now, MP will be good for a couple games and then drop off the face of the earth as usual and end up back in Hershey. Net presence=AGordon/Beagle/Pinner, if that is the problem one of those three should have been brought up with AGordon being the logical choice as he leads the AHL in goals.

Posted by: PhilR | December 6, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

Poti is probably the IR player. They ice 7 D with Sloan in reserve. MP comes up to get us back to 14 F. This way each game BB can scratch King plus whoever played lousy the game before.

It's just that simple. BB would rather have 14F/7D than 13F (incl King)/8D.

He was already quoted last Monday we don't need 8 D active.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

I would have to politely disagree with you. Teams would not be making such a big deal to get into this game if it was just a regular season game. By definition it may be. But in attitude it is not. Especially with the whole HBO buildup behind it. Can you imagine the disaster if HBO builds up OC and Crosby and one of them gets hurt and can't play?

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 6, 2010 1:36 PM

it is just 2 reg season pts on the line - as far as the standings go. i'd think with this being a much more high profile game - there will be some pride on the line. this game isn't as important as a playoff game but will be more important than other reg season games.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 6, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Read my statement and realize why I wont debate with you.


On another note for everyone.

This is Marty St Louis response to the Flash/Hannan deal: His initial reaction: "That's because of Marcus Johansson. He's a really good player."

Posted by: ThePat | December 6, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

@ CTCapsPhan

teams make a big deal about getting in b/c the classic is a HUGE money maker! It is also good publicity for the team...but points wise and as far as getting into the playoffs it is only a reg. season game.

Sure they prefer their stars to play in it b/c it is nationally televised and has almost as big an audience as the SC finals, but they wouldn't risk a players health long term for it...if they win, they still only get two points.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

I never made a comment if the move was good or not. I only said it was done because BB was not pleased with the play of the 2nd line center position. Based on BB's comment, that is indisputable. I never said BB should be displeased, I only said that BB WAS displeased.

However, did people see what Martin St. Louis had to say about MJ? From an Elliote Friedman article:

Was talking to Martin St. Louis as that Fleischmann/Hannan deal was announced. His initial reaction: "That's because of Marcus Johansson. He's a really good player."

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal,

I realize that and was pointing out to sgm that we have 6 guys who can play center right now so why could it not be a winger instead? I fully expect it to be a dman going on IR and don't think they should have been carrying 8 dmen anyway!

Posted by: PhilR | December 6, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

But still, if your stars are fighting nagging injuries, you sit them now before the little big game. Better to lose 2 points now than on national TV.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 6, 2010 2:09 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

I wasn't debating with anyone. Again, I never said whether I thought this was a good move or not. I only stated why BB made the move. Again, based on BB's comments it is indisputable. I never said BB should have made this move or that BB shouldn't have made this move. I only stated the reason why BB made the move, which is quite apparent judging by his comments.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

hey, sorry i bailed on ya earlier and can't really chat now...i'll look for ya later and tell you why i'd fire ya!! ;) good day all, i'm sure i'll be bothering folks again after the game...GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

anyone in favor of reversing the Della Rovere for DJK trade? Besides GM.

SDR sure looks better on his skates at the nhl level despite all the initial *expert* comments to the contrary.

And judging by the Caps' inability to know what to do with a DJK type, SDR would probably have been a better fit in this lineup from the get-go.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Brooks Laich = Class Act.

Regarding the injury, how about some investigative journalism here, WaPo?

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 6, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

@oldtimehockey

There's really no need to do investigative journalism this month as the injury will surely be on HBO's 24/7 on December 15. I guess we will just have to wait a little bit before getting the inside story about injuries.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

CST, the man, the legend - welcome back amigo.

I agree on SDR. I guess you probably saw him in the Blues game. I haven't seen the Caps find a way to use DJK effectively yet. He also looks a bit slow.

Posted by: zmega | December 6, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I think this is a good move. MP85 is a very good energy player and the Caps need some energy right now. I'm not a huge MP fan but, I'm glad to see him up and I hope he sticks.
We need to change it up on the PP. Ovie needs to come off the point and take the LW spot. Also, I blame the setup on the PP for the recent problems. Somebody needs to skate to the area in front of the goalie as soon as the puck enters the zone (and stay there). This provides a screen and occupies the low man on the diamond. Also it makes switching to a box more difficult. One drawback is less available passing lanes. We have great puckhandlers so, this shouldn't be much of an issue. Standing in front for an Ovie, Semin or Green shot isn't fun but, that is why you get payed.

Posted by: chriscaps | December 6, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

cstanton!!

Welcome back man, and yes.....King is an absolute waste on this team as you can not put a player out there one out of every six or seven games and expect to get anything out of him. SDR would be develpoing in Hershey and be a fine replacement for Brads in a couple years I have a feeling, guess we will never know.

Posted by: PhilR | December 6, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton and @PhilR

Im with you both on King. Been saying that for about a month. Would rather see him waived and sent down and off teh salary cap.

Posted by: ThePat | December 6, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I'm not propping up SDR as the next Steve Ott or even an Arron Asham. But I can easily see him filling a 4th line checking role this year and then over the next 2 seasons evolving into a 3rd line agitating winger who pots in double digit goals. And when he's not scoring he's still contributing and giving out an honest effort. Darcy Tucker went on to have a productive career after starting out as an SDR type in this league.

But DJK -- I just don't see him having a role in this org. He's got limited abilities (despite what a certain fan on here alleged he had after apparently watching significant film of him after the trade was made to justify it). SDR was supposed to be 2 or 3 yrs away from cracking an nhl lineup while DJK was supposed to be ready NOW. You know..GM knows all and detracting fans know nothing :)

Its all just rhetoric. We could've picked up a DJK type or better for free (ala Phx with Paul Bissonnette) and still held onto a prospect like SDR. And though in reality, neither element is anywhere close to a hand-n-glove fit for this team's personality, the Caps would have been able to find a roster spot for SDR a lot easier than a DJK.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I still like the DJK pick up, but I wish BB knew how to utilize him.....DJK is averaging more points per 60/mins than a bunch of our forwards including knuble, fehr and others

Posted by: _stevo | December 6, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

At least we got hannan so we can all quit being disappointed that we don't have a good SaH d-man.
----------tom--

wait till BB decides he needs more offense. Then the SaH Hannan becomes a run-n-gun closet winger!

I haven't really been watching much Caps hockey lately so I can't comment intelligently on how Hannan has fit into the team. But I hope he's not being considered THE missing piece. He's a piece, that is all. He's not a shutdown dman, he's not a big hitter, but he brings a bit of edge on the back line and hopefully still has it in him to force forwards to compete for space in the crease. He's not averse to using his stick on other players and the occasional elbow. If he replaces Poti in the lineup, then his potential value increases. If he replaces someone like Erskine, its no significant upgrade.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Hannan has been very good so far. He is an upgrade to the team. I think as he gets more comfortable he will be even better.

Posted by: ThePat | December 6, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

I think to step into the intensity zone of a Penguins/Rangers/Flyers series, you need some guys on those bottom 2 lines that are of a heavier pedigree.

Ottawa looks like they're in need of some type of overhaul. Chris Neil's been on the block for a while due to his salary. He's the type of middleweight crashnbang winger this team could utilize. He brings the same physical game that players like Prust, Carcillo, and Asham bring to the table. Matt Bradley or Hendricks aren't at that level but are still valuable in their own right.
And if you can pry away Mike Fisher as well.....there's something wrong when Nick Backstrom is your most physical center.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@PHILR & cstant...I agree on Della Rovere, I woul dhave liked to keep him, and he would have been in Hershey, developing as a replacement for Bradley...I was hoping King could be a heavy weight version of Bradley, but he is slow as molasses in winter...I prefer a 4th line of Hendricks/Steckel/Bradley, keep King as a spare part

Posted by: boomer44 | December 6, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

And if you can pry away Mike Fisher as well.....there's something wrong when Nick Backstrom is your most physical center.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:02 PM

When't the last time we have a truly physical center? Halpern? Zubrus? No, neither of them really were. Sutherby? Maybe. It's a sad state of affairs.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

really stinks that this is only on HBO

A) I don't wand won't get HBO just for this
B) It really cuts back on the possible audience.

Posted by: Capfan12 | December 6, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

A big reason King was so expendable in St Louis is frankly, there were a slew of players who could skate better, hit more effectively, and drop their gloves admirably. The fact they were able to pick up a decent agitating prospect with some upside was a bonus. The Blues have good toughness upfront with Backes, Crombeen, Winchester, Janssen. DJK was a liability and redundant.

And DJK's fight with Boogaard made some fans overestimate his pugilistic abilities. And that's understandable for non-fight fans to do that. But not for an ex-goon GM. He should know better. When Troy Crowder beat up Bob Probert 20 yrs ago, his reputation far exceeded his actual abilities as a 4th line enforcer as well. That example is pretty common knowledge around hockey circles. To avoid the draw of a Troy Crowder type.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

@Capfan12

True, but HBO does a great job with this sort of stuff and the ability to have it uncensored makes it more enjoyable to watch too.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Welcome back cstanton. Now if we can just get live chat back instead of this twitter #$)# this would be back to the best it was.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 6, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

When't the last time we have a truly physical center? Halpern? Zubrus? No, neither of them really were. Sutherby? Maybe. It's a sad state of affairs.

Posted by: tominsocal1

Yeah I always thought the 2 areas we lacked mostly in personnel-wise were physically capable centers (no bigger than 6ft2 215 lbs is necessary with the requisite strength) and rugged defensive dmen who were at least a notch above Erskine in ability.


Suts has at least regained some of his competitive edge now with Dallas. Part of that is he's fighting to stay in the NHL, part of it is the Stars' very intense on-ice personality that is contagious to every player in that lineup, and part of it is he's not as lazy as he used to be at the end of his Caps career. And if he slacks of at all, the Stars can easily replace him in the bottom part of that lineup.

He's not a great fighter but he definitely puts in the work as a hardnosed 4th liner.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

cstanton: You did however say King was good on the forecheck. Against Blues he played well. In earlier games he played like a zombie.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm with some of you about the SDR thing. If you're not going to utilize DJK, there's no point in having him.

A kid I like in our organization is Trevor Bruess (SP?) Now, I can only comment on what I saw at the rookie game against Philly. I thought he was fast and nasty. Making a big hit whenever he can.

Again, I know nothing about him except for that one game but he stood out to me. I noticed him every time he was on the ice.

I have no idea when he'll be NHL ready though. Has anyone else seen this kid or know more about him?

Posted by: natresgroup | December 6, 2010 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Here is the thing about the King trade. Yes, SDR is in the NHL now but he is not playing very many minutes and is only up because the Blues have had injury issues. If he was still on the Caps he wouldn't even be getting called up this season and like cstanton has said players like him can be picked up every year in the FA if GM and BB decide we need one. If not it is a moot point because if they don't feel we need a player like that then SDR probably wouldn't ever wear the Red.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 6, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

What a nice video segment. Brooksie articulates very well the nostalgic aspects of playing outside. It makes me kind of homesick, though.

Posted by: naha8 | December 6, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

he can be decent on the forecheck. But any player who has played such a limited # of games over the past 2 seasons needs at least two things to help him at least get back to his original form

1- confidence from the coaching staff

2- enough ice time

He's had neither. And those 2 aren't exactly the same thing though they are linked. When a player like King has a tenuous grip on his roster spot, he may not feel comfortable committing to a forecheck because if he gets caught up ice repeatedly he knows he'll get benched as a liability.

Lets face it, the Caps are not an org who gives much free reign to young unproven 4th line tough guys with limited skills. So they're certainly not going to be able to mine all the ability that a DJK may be able to have. Which is one of the primary reasons I wasn't in favor the deal. Along with the usual nonsense about how the Caps brass was smart enough to wait for a DJK type to be available to them before they could pull the trigger for a "better-than-avg" enforcer.

It was simply not true. What was likely true was..

The Caps made a conscious decision to eliminate the heavyweight role last season. They wanted to go with 12 good skaters who could play good minutes. They were never trying to position themselves to pick up a King. This offseason, they had a kneejerk reaction to the other moves that went on in the Eastern conf and their own division. And they were caught with their pants down via years of neglecting that position. So instead of being able to call someone up from Hershey who they could have been grooming for this role (i.e. Frazer McLaren in SJ, Matt Kassian in MN, etc etc), they were forced to part with a decent prospect to bring back a player they mistakenly thought could move right in and not look out of place.

McPhee's own statement was that King was ready now and SDR was not.

Well, you be the judge.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I can't tell anything about King...I assume his lack of playing time is due to lack of ability and not BB just hating the guy :)

As for SDR...yup...quite a shame to give up a prospect for a guy who plays 10 minutes a month...not sure where GMGM was going on that one.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 3:41 PM | Report abuse

SDR is a bum. I'm glad we got rid of him, he was wasting a roster spot.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 3:43 PM | Report abuse

McPhee's own statement was that King was ready now and SDR was not.

Well, you be the judge.

Posted by: cstanton1


curious: is SDR staying up, or will he go back down once injuries heal up?

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:
welcome back dude.

regarding physical, big centers... what about Arnott?

Posted by: FrankM73 | December 6, 2010 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

we all know how you feel about cstanton...but it looks like you are trying to start something the way u phrased that...why don't we all just try and get along this time?

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Trevor Bruess is a kid that I have been interested in watching since we signed him because he did bring an element to this org we didn't have. In fact, there were only 3 players of that ilk in this org -- Pinner, Bruess, SDR.

Of those 3, SDR's the best fighter, the 2nd best hitter, and strongest on his skates contributed via his lower center of gravity. Pinner is the most complete player. He's like a nastier version of Matt Bradley with slightly better skills and upside. And Bruess is the poor man's version of Pinner. His main adv is he plays the center position.

Bruess has a long way to go to become an NHL player though. His strength or lackthereof holds him back. When he gets into altercations with similarly-sized AHL players, he's easily manhandled. But he's chippy and pretty fearless and probably has some underrated skills due to his reputation. Ala Sean Avery.

I think at the time we signed Bruess, there were 3 or 4 teams interested in him mainly because he did resemble a Steve Ott type. He was a dirty hitter in college and got in trouble for a lot of his hits. But he also was a good skater and solid defensively and could handle the puck. NHL teams love that type of player. It was surprising we signed him because he doesn't fit our type of college prospect. But I guess even the most passive organizations will bring in at least a couple of abrasive players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:50 PM | Report abuse

SR v King is really a moot point no matter who you liked better, King isn't playing much but SDR would have been in Hershey and would not have played a game for the Caps at this point

Posted by: boomer44 | December 6, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

Actually that comment had nothing to do with him and was not intended towards him in any way, whatsoever.

I just decided to follow the lead of so many people on this board and post in absolutes. Either a player is amazing or a player is a bum. No one is ever just decent or pretty good. So I'm following along.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

SDR is a bum. I'm glad we got rid of him, he was wasting a roster spot.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 3:43 PM

There's absolutely no justification for the above statement.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

regarding physical, big centers... what about Arnott?

Posted by: FrankM73

He was big and physical about 7 yrs ago. He doesn't play anywhere like he used to. But I expect him to be the type of player we target. And the type of player sgm3 will watch numerous vids on and justify any deal McPhee makes. I didn't say that..

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Remember, SDR is just 20 yo. So you have to assume some development over the coming years, in terms of strength and hockey smarts. But he is not just some marginal talent thug. He performed at a high level coming up through juniors, providing a physical presence but also scoring. He was a significant contributor on the Canadian junior national team. There is no guarantee, but it is possible he could develop into a Matt Cooke/Avery type of player.

Posted by: zmega | December 6, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

SDR v King is really a moot point no matter who you liked better, King isn't playing much but SDR would have been in Hershey and would not have played a game for the Caps at this point

Posted by: boomer44 | December 6, 2010 3:58 PM | Report abuse

There is no guarantee, but it is possible he could develop into a Matt Cooke/Avery type of player.

Posted by: zmega |

that's kinda how i see it as well zman. Players who can skate at this level and have the personality-type where they don't mind putting a big bullseye on their jerseys...caps fans shouldn't turn their noses up at that type of player. Because its precisely the type of player who does all the little dirty work that can help foster a more competitive mentality and carry a team thru some tough series. There's no one else on our team who would adopt that role. It isn't something you can really learn, and if you don't bring it up with you thru the junior levels then you won't suddenly figure it out at this level.

I think Pinner can somewhat fit into that role but not at the degree that Cooke, Kunitz, Avery, Ott et al operate at.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

my bad then

There's absolutely no justification for the above statement.

Posted by: tominsocal1

while the phrasing is not to my liking, it really is an opinion.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

SDR is a bum. I'm glad we got rid of him, he was wasting a roster spot.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 3:43 PM

There's absolutely no justification for the above statement.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 4:07 PM | Report abuse

SDR is a bum. I'm glad we got rid of him, he was wasting a roster spot.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 3:43 PM

There's absolutely no justification for the above statement.

Posted by: tominsocal1

True, but I'm just trying to follow suit with many of the posters here and only post in absolutes. So a player is either great or a bum.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

SR v King is really a moot point no matter who you liked better, King isn't playing much but SDR would have been in Hershey and would not have played a game for the Caps at this point

Posted by: boomer44

I guess I was looking past this yr. I didn't expect SDR to do anything but play at Hershey this season as well. If we had a plethora of that type of prospect, the trade wouldn't have rubbed me the wrong way quite so much. And if we had a coaching staff and GM who understood how to groom a young tough heavyweight, then you'd get more dividends out of this trade.

Take a kid like Brian Boyle who looked so out of place when he first got called up by the Rangers. And all they asked of him was to use his big frame to bounce bodies around. Its something the Kings asked of him as well but couldn't get him to do consistently. The Rags allowed him to do nothing but paste players along the boards and be responsible defensively. Now he's not only established a physical edge to his game but he's discovered a scoring touch at the NHL level which was why he got drafted as a 1st rounder to begin with. Brian Boyle was widely looked upon as the next Dave Steckel bust in the Kings system. Two gargantuan 1st round centers who were more finesse than brawn but had footspeed issues in the NHL. But the Rags first worked on Boyle's competitive game and didn't put any pressure on him to produce offensively.

That's development. The Rags seem to know how to acquire and develop kids like Prust and Boyle. The Caps seem to know how to develop more skilled players and be clueless on how to develop other elements critical to playoff success. You'd think if a team could develop skilled players, they'd have an easier time developing quality grinders.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I haven't really been watching much Caps hockey lately so I can't comment intelligently on how Hannan has fit into the team. But I hope he's not being considered THE missing piece. He's a piece, that is all. He's not a shutdown dman, he's not a big hitter, but he brings a bit of edge on the back line and hopefully still has it in him to force forwards to compete for space in the crease. He's not averse to using his stick on other players and the occasional elbow. If he replaces Poti in the lineup, then his potential value increases. If he replaces someone like Erskine, its no significant upgrade.


Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse
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I think your assessment of Hannan is cutting him a bit short. I'm sure you've watched him for as many years as I have and he is a very solid addition. Certainly there are times when you think Hannan gonna clobber somebody and he doesn't for some reason and other times he does. At least he isn't like B Witt who will start a scrum them eject himself out of it quickly.

The bottom line is Hannan is EXACTLY what this team needed. He is very gritty and physical as you mentioned. The thing I love about him is when he hits you on the boards, it may not be the thunderous hit OV throws but the objective is to separate the man from the puck and he does that. Something I think that is very overlooked when it comes to Hannan is his ability to make the good 1st pass out while under pressure. I guess my best analogy would be as a physical Calle Jo. Great positionally, good passer and calm during the storm. He quietly doesn't make mistakes.

I think he is a huge upgrade to our D and will get better as the season moves on. I like that the trade was made now vs. at the deadline.


Posted by: pokerface1208 | December 6, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

As far as 2C is concerned. Somebody mentioned it earlier but I really like MaJo there. The problem is Flash was here and the line changed all the time. Completely agree that if the 2 wingers on the 2nd line are Semin & Laich MaJo will succeed. Throwing new wingers at such a young kid who is still trying to acclemate himself to NA practically every other shift isn't doing him a lot of favors IMO. He is by far the fastest guy on the team and I'd bet he's in the top 5 of the NHL. Giving him a lil consistency would go a long way towards his development.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | December 6, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Concerning DJK, how can anyone here pass judgement on the man? cstanton1, the revered sage, has declared it a bad acquisiton and therefore it must be. Right. He is right that the Caps don't know how to develop and manage a player of King's ilk, and some of the names he mentioned would be great (though he left off Shawn Thornton, probably the best and most versatile tough-guy in the game now).

I say DJK wasn't a waste of a trade but he is wasting away in the press box, just as Johnny E. will be once the chosen ones are healthy. I propose we take a page out of the Oilers-dynasty playbook: dress DJK nightly, give him a few shifts a game skating w/Ovi and Backstrom, and tell him to skate (which he can do well) to the front of the net and keep his stick on the ice. Gretzky and Kurri didn't seem to be ill-affected much playing w/Semenko and McSorley frequently, correct? Let Ovi return to his balls-to-the-wall, destructive ways to regain his scoring touch, and King's presence would ensure liberties and retaliations would be muted.

As for his fistic abilities, the man can throw 'em no doubt. People can disparage his win against the Boogeyman all they want, but fact is not many can make that claim. And the comparison to Crowder is unfair, as he could barely skate and got beaten by virtually EVERYONE after his Probie fight, unlike DJK who struck fear in the central division until his injury woes. He was supplanted by Janssen, a local boy done good, so he became expendable. Tonight would've been a good game to get him in (a struggling team with noted pugilists), so why not?

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Hannan's shot blocking and ability to keep oposing players out of our crease is/was something sorely missing.

I also am hopeful that he will be reivigorated moving to a new team with cup potential (he waived a NMC)and as he is getting older this may be his last chance to win the cup....thats a lot of incentive working our way. It is o course no guarantee, but he should help us a fair bit this season.

No one player (except possibly a 2nd C) will "fix" this team...it takes a group effort to win a cup. we need to fill the missing pieces with players that compliment the team....NJD tried to just get that missing piece and look where hey are...Kovalchuck just doesn't fit their style.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought DJK played a very good game against St. Louis and was expecting him to suit up again. I think he should get another game soon because he played his best overall game in St. Louis.

IMO, I think that had a lot to do with Cam Jansenn being scratched. That allowed DJK to not just focus on fighting but to focus on playing hockey.

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

@vermont
I'm with ya here. I don't think we've seen much of DJK b/c we haven't played a lot of games against fighting teams (Philly, NYR etc). Then when we did play them they didn't have their goons eeeeehhhhmmmm "touch guys" in the lineup. There is certainly an element to BB not utilizing him more. If he's everything GMGM said he is then he should be playing more. Don't you think it's a problem if your coach doesn't know how to get the most out of his players? I understand BB was an offensive guy and that's what he gets but he's been around enough tough guys to where he should know their value. I'd much rather see a DJK in the lineup vs a Steckel every night.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | December 6, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface1208

Remember that DJK was acquired before Hendricks. I don't think GMGM was anticipating Hendricks coming in and winning a spot. But Hendricks did and that moved DJK down a spot.

As many flaws as Steckel has in his game, his faceoff skills do help out in many situations. Especially on big draws(yes, I know he lost the one against Carolina, but he usually wins most of them).

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Uquestionably, I don't think the favoritism displayed during bb's teunure at the helm HAS EVER BEEN SURPASSED. There once was a time when players believed that through hard work, dedication, perseverence, and a fair chance they could succeed and work their way up the pecking order. That's not possible in at the moment in D.C. If you played for BB in the minors or were traded for in-season, apparently you don't have to worry about playing your way out of the lineup because no one can play in.

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

(though he left off Shawn Thornton, probably the best and most versatile tough-guy in the game now).

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yep. Made Brian McGrattan an afterthought.

Mad props for Thornton. Fought his way into this league, developed into a better player, and is now once again incorporating the tough-guy role for Boston. He's had some great tilts this year. Some guys when they graduate from the tough guy role don't want any part of it anymore. Shawn Thornton is a great team player because he'll do whatever he can to help his team. He probably doesn't have to scrap that much anymore but he does it anyway so that guys like Lucic and Chara don't have to spend too much time in the box or risk getting hurt.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Uquestionably, I don't think the favoritism displayed during bb's teunure HAS EVER BEEN SURPASSED. There once was a time when players believed that through hard work, dedication, perseverence, and a fair chance they could succeed and work their way up the pecking order. That's not possible at the moment in D.C. If you played for BB in the minors or were traded for in-season, apparently you don't have to worry about playing your way out of the lineup because no one can play in....GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

damn, sorry about the double negative post...wash post GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@!!

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

"If you played for BB in the minors or were traded for in-season, apparently you don't have to worry about playing your way out of the lineup because no one can play in"

Then how did Hendricks get on this team and become a regular?

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

i believe he played under BB, just not in Hershey

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

@vermont
I'm with ya here. I don't think we've seen much of DJK b/c we haven't played a lot of games against fighting teams (Philly, NYR etc). Then when we did play them they didn't have their goons eeeeehhhhmmmm "touch guys" in the lineup

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it wouldn't matter. The Caps philosophy on how they utilize tough guys is inherently flawed. Instead of forcing other teams to match upto us in that dept, we read and react to their lineups. You don't see guys like Brandon Prust getting scratched. He may not quite the same comparison to King but he started off as a fringe 4th liner as well. You don't see Jody Shelley or Colton Orr only dressing v the Rangers and Boogaard. Some teams view their tough guys as a general component to their overall success. Then you have teams who only dress tough guys against certain teams. Then even lower, you have the Caps...who only dress a tough guy ONCE in a while against certain teams.

You can pretty much tell that the Caps really hate to have to dress a King type. They only do it out of sheer necessity, not a belief that a heavyweight 4th liner could ever actually contribute in any tangible manner.

How do you think a Shawn Thornton wouldve developed here? He'd get pigeonholed as a part time player and his development would never progress. Assuming we acquired a player like that in the first place.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 5:00 PM | Report abuse

no way am i implying that hendricks is the beneficiary of bb's favoritism....he's earned his place, he's been downright fantastic for us GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:04 PM | Report abuse

I thought Hendricks played in Hershey under Boudreau in 2006 when they won the Cup or maybe it was the year after when they lost the cup. Pretty sure it was one of those years though.

Posted by: ThePat | December 6, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Uquestionably, I don't think the favoritism displayed during bb's teunure at the helm HAS EVER BEEN SURPASSED. There once was a time when players believed that through hard work, dedication, perseverence, and a fair chance they could succeed and work their way up the pecking order. That's not possible in at the moment in D.C. If you played for BB in the minors or were traded for in-season, apparently you don't have to worry about playing your way out of the lineup because no one can play in.

Posted by: vermontcaps

I am sorry but I think these posts are RIDICULOUS! BB may like the style of certain players he developed (b/c he developed them that way) but to say he plays favorites is childish...he benched flash a couple times before the trade, Fehr has been benched, Steckel...all his kids...actually very few of the players not developed by him have been benched...and if his favoritism were THAT bad, Ted and GMGM would have adressed it..unless...OMG..they are in on the conspiracy 2!

Seriously besided Erskine (who has barely been benched this season so far)who isn' getting the ice time they deserve?

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Then how did Hendricks get on this team and become a regular?

Posted by: sgm3 |

i'm guessing you don't know that MH played for Bruce in Hershey.

And I don't think VCaps' comments on Bruce are meant to be that absolute. There's always exceptions to everything. But his overall point on favoritism really can't be denied. Tyler Sloan's a good example of a guy who probably wouldn't get a looksee in a different org. Flash was another example of a player who got too much ice time despite proving to be a highly inconsistent player. The benefit there however was, he was able to prove he could score at this level which allowed us to trade him for something of value.

To be fair, favoritism occurs in every sport and BB is certainly not the first or last coach to employ it. I think its the degree to which he does it and the players he selects to favor that can be looked at as a detriment to the team.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 5:14 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line is Hannan is EXACTLY what this team needed. He is very gritty and physical as you mentioned. The thing I love about him is when he hits you on the boards, it may not be the thunderous hit OV throws but the objective is to separate the man from the puck and he does that.

---poker--


Agreed that separating the man from the puck along the boards in the def end is a very simple and valuable play that not enough of our dmen make.

But this team needs more than Scott Hannan. Even if you're just referring to the defense. They need Jeff Schultz and Tom Poti gone. They need to hope that Alzner and Carlson raise their play. If they can pull in a solid punishing defensive leader on defense, then going into the playoffs with Green, Hannan, Carlson, Alzner, Erskine, and aforementioned dman via trade would give this team a chance to make a deeper playoff run. They definitely have to jettison Poti. The reason I think they have to also deal Sarge, besides obviously needing to open a spot on their top 4, is to use him as trade bait and do another addition by subtraction. I still don't see Schultz as a playoff type performer. He is unable or unwilling to raise his intensity level. He's far too casual in his own end. His steady play in the reg season has one payoff - its increased his trade value.

They need one more dman. Hopefully a younger, stronger, better version of Hannan. And that's not meant as a slam at all.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

and erskine was just that guy for us, our Matt Carkner....until that crushing blow from eating one of Godard's fists in Calgary. Then 2 yrs, didn't #4 doctor-shop to get clearance to continue playing, then proceeded to be our best d-man in the playoffs while playing with a broken leg?

We cant just throw Erskine into the lineup because we're playing tough teams and he's our protector...he's proven too valuable to fight the orr's and rosehills of tonight (THOUGH HE EASILY CAN!! GO JOHNNY E); he's a fearful man, and ALL opposing players know where he is when they go into the corners or try to set-up shop in the crease. With his health history, I think BB is not supporting his own team in general, and erskine in particular, by not having DJK in the lineup tonite

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Regarding Fleischmann...

nice to see him adjusting well... 2 games, 2 Assist (both Primary), +1, 18:03 a game (up from 14:20 in DC)

On the first goal, hit shot hits the post, Duchene there with 2 digs to get it home.
Second goal was a beaut... slap pass, redirected by Hejduk into the net from between faceoff circles...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/recap.htm?id=2010020385

Posted by: FrankM73 | December 6, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Tyler Sloan's a good example of a guy who probably wouldn't get a looksee in a different org. Flash was another example of a player who got too much ice time despite proving to be a highly inconsistent player.

Sloan while a waste... I get why we initially called him up...he can play D, but also forward when needed.

We don't have another D man in Hershey better (some say Fahey, but I would need to see a few more games before I settled on that)Carlson and Alzner needed playing time last season, so we couldn't have them in the press box.

Flash...he was a good forward and a crappy center (no D skills). He will prove to be valuable to CO.

I never got the feeling Sloan was particularly liked by BB...and GMs decide who to call up not coaches...Sloan is all on GMGM

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Any list of BB's favorites has to include E Fehr; once every three games he does something good but man oh man does that guy seem to disappear for shifts at a time.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | December 6, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps

I am confused...1st u say Erskine is so good he deserves more...and now BB can't just throw him in there without King all the time. Hendricks is a solid fighter, bradley...well isn't afraid of blood loss.

BB has been rcognizing erskines contributions besides fighting lately...esp. in his post game pressers. BB isn't so childish he would play someone over someone else HE thought was better...maybe he just has a differn opinion of who is needed more to make the team better.

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 5:35 PM | Report abuse

GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@ (forgot it in last post)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:36 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

with all due respect, a deeper grasp of the fighting culture which exists in the only major professional sport is needed. i'll be happy to share my perspectives throughout the season.

as for bradley and hendricks, they're game and will stand up if the need arises. Problem is, neither are in the class of rosehill/orr and rish both a humiliating beatdown at best, getting seriously hurt at worst.

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

@vermont

also...cause u didn't answer before.

who is not getting the ice time they deserve besides Erskine? I am seriously curious...not the least bit sarcastic

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

sorry, bad typing....they both risk serious damage facing either of them, so why put them at risk when we have DJK? I'm not saying take hendricks/bradley out of the lineup, i'm saying put DJK (no sleight to brads or hends)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

then proceeded to be our best d-man in the playoffs while playing with a broken leg?

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:24 PM

before it was a broken foot, now a broken leg - careful, a few more posts and erskine will have been the best dman 'even though he was dead' :D

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 6, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

not sure what you're asking, the only person being cheated ice time is DJK; he's been the only healthy scratch, consistently. we've got lots of players who, quite frankly, don't deserve the ice time they get. i'll tell you why i said i would fire you in my next post GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@capt kirk
awesome!! i was hoping someone would notice :)


@capscoach

i said i would fire you because
a. you said erskine was old.....the man is 30, THESE ARE PRIME YEARS FOR DMEN

b. you said he was REALLY bad last year...check his stats and remember him sticking up for green against koci (i could go on and on but suffice it to say, bb inexplicably banished him to the pressbox and played ****55/corvo instead)

c. you seem to have no memory of his contributions to the team until the chosen ones were ready

d. you seem to have no grasp of the one dynamic that makes hockey the best sport on the planet

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

vermontcaps:
you crack me up

d. you seem to have no grasp of the one dynamic that makes hockey the best sport on the planet

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 5:55 PM

but remember - that one dynamic is not what makes hockey the best sport to everyone though

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 6, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

but remember - that one dynamic is not what makes hockey the best sport to everyone though

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ |

Exactly

Posted by: sgm3 | December 6, 2010 6:04 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

i said i would fire you because
a. you said erskine was old.....the man is 30, THESE ARE PRIME YEARS FOR DMEN

b. you said he was REALLY bad last year...check his stats and remember him sticking up for green against koci (i could go on and on but suffice it to say, bb inexplicably banished him to the pressbox and played ****55/corvo instead)

c. you seem to have no memory of his contributions to the team until the chosen ones were ready

d. you seem to have no grasp of the one dynamic that makes hockey the best sport on the planet


Posted by: vermontcaps


I'll give u a...had no clue he was only 30...feels like he's been on the team forever and he looks old :) my bad.

point b...he has always been good at defending players, but last season SO MANY players got around him and scored! I remember people all over this board bshing him...I am happy he is playing much better now...he said he worked on speed and his positioning is much improved.

point c...maybe it's b/c I am a girl, or a younger fan of the game (not as much fighting now as in the past)but I think hockey is the best sport on the planet for many reasons...drop the gloves fights are not at the top of the list (unless someone made a bad hit on one of our players)


My question about who isn't getting the ice time they deserve is based on ur statements that BB is playing favorites to an extreme degree...if that were the case wouldn't it mean some deserving players were not getting enough ice time?

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Anyone know who is going on IR?

Posted by: underpants2 | December 6, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

first off, chivalry would've prevented me from saying i'd fire you....my apologies :)

the ice time issue goes to a comment the coach made after acquiring Hannan....he said when the dmen were all healthy, Erskine would sit. (and you see what sitting meant last year, DJK this year)...he basically told the only overachieving player on the team that he was a lame-duck when his chosen buddies were all healthy. It smacks of favoritism, and it undermines the value of hard work, dedication, and perseverence to the team. BB has created a caste system w/the team, and Erskine's the victim.....does that satisfy ya, capscoach??

GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

why hasn't there been an update on the lineup...haven't the Caps had theirpre-game skate yet?

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

capscoach: No, they are in the locker room pulling straws to see who goes on IR.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | December 6, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

With his health history, I think BB is not supporting his own team in general, and erskine in particular, by not having DJK in the lineup tonite
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that's really eventually the GM's call. GM's influence that part of the lineup. Same way Brian Burke makes sure that Colton Orr gets to dress in every game. Or Jay Rosehill getting recalled. That's a Brian Burke lineup in Toronto way more than a Ronny Wilson lineup.

But if GM can throw Trevor Halverson to the wolves, I guess he can throw Erskine as well. I brought the very same point 2 yrs ago. Its unfair to have a lineup where a concussion-recovering Erskine has to provide most of the muscle. He either has to back away from a clear challenge and look the other way when a teammate gets run over, or he has to risk more concussions.

Since all we have is King right now, it does make sense to at least dress him for certain games even though he's struggling to keep up with the nhl pace right now. I just wish he'd get to play something like 8 of 10 games to see if he shows some improvement. Dressing him for 5 shifts every 10 games isn't doing him or the team any favors.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

@vermont

yes yes...I understand ur perspective now..I will leave you alone for a bit now! :-)

@Tominsocal

you are 2 funny! and probaly right (unfortunately)

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

It smacks of favoritism, and it undermines the value of hard work, dedication, and perseverence to the team. BB has created a caste system w/the team, and Erskine's the victim.....does that satisfy ya, capscoach??
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part of it may be favoritism but a bigger part is Bruce's philosophy. Players with more skill (or players perceived to have more skill) will usually get shoe-horned into the lineup over a guy like big John. Who has to prove himself over and over and over. And if he does back into the lineup and has a bad shift or bad game, he's back on the bench. There's definitely some differnet standards set.

When Poti let Staal easily muscle him out of the crease on the tying goal, not a mention of it by anyone. When Jurcina let something similarly occur, Bruce was all over him in the press the next day saying he expected Juice to at least xcheck the player down in that situation.

Bottom line, when we're trying to protect a one goal lead, its absolutely stupid to put Poti into that situation. It gives the other team a clear advantage in mucking up the crease and scoring a garbage goal. As a coach you have to play to your players'; strengths and that is a glaring weakness of Poti's.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 6, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

@capscoach

had bb simply said, "It'll be nice once everyone's healthy; the competition for ice time will be keen and we'll play the 6-dmen who we feel give us the best chance to win that night."

instead, he said, "Well, Erskine's been playing pretty good for us but when everyone is healthy, he'll be the one sitting." that means: thanks for nothing, be ready when we need (but don't worry, john, injuries happen and i'm sure you'll get another chance.....AS IF HE WASN'T GIVEN THE CHANCE ALREADY, PLAYING WITH LOSERS AND STILL KICKING A@@)

GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

Katie tweeted that she didn't Fehr, Steckel, Erskine or Sloan on the ice for the Caps during warmups.

Posted by: Terptwin | December 6, 2010 6:38 PM | Report abuse

With Steckel apparently out, it makes sense that Perrault was brought up to complete/fill-in at the center spot.

Posted by: Terptwin | December 6, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

With Steckel apparently out, it makes sense that Perrault was brought up to compete/fill-in at the center spot.

Posted by: Terptwin | December 6, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

@vermont

I agree that was a stupid thing for BB to say...but I will reserve judgement until I see Erskine a healthy scratch over other guys that are playing really badly.

Schultz may need a wake up call soon. He's making some nice plays one minute and then not picking up his man the next...very frustrating!

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

I agree w/everything you said, and that's why I've been calling for BB to go!! As his fights w/Boulton, Lucic, and going after Buf demonstrate, Ersk isn't letting his concussion problems affect his play. In fact, his last few fights he's been slow dropping them and had to eat a few before engaging himself (knowing his personality as I do, I'm sure he was intentionally trying to draw a penalty for the team.....yet another example of him putting face/career behind the team.....i sure wish the team and BB would for once stand behind him)

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

see y'll soon im sure, off to get ready for the game..lots of fun and peace to all

GO CAPS, KICK TORONTO'S A@@

Posted by: vermontcaps | December 6, 2010 6:50 PM | Report abuse

Per twitter:

Sloan is not listed among the scratches for tonight's game so it looks like he's the mystery player that's been placed on IR.

YAY!!!

Posted by: capscoach | December 6, 2010 6:58 PM | Report abuse

Sloan, Steckel, Fehr - Caps still carrying a lot of dead weight.

Posted by: underpants2 | December 6, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

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