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Caps 7, Panthers 4

Who needs Alex Ovechkin and Mike Green when you've got Mathieu Perreault and Quintin Laing?

With two of the league's most talented players sidelined with injuries, secondary scoring came from all sorts of sources tonight as the Caps routed the Panthers, 7-4, with a five-goal third period.

Mike Knuble had two goals and two assists. Tomas Fleischmann had a pair of goals. And, of course, Perreault and Laing chipped in, too, as the Caps proved for the second straight night that they can, in fact, generate offense without Ovechkin in the lineup.

Check out my game story here and my notebook here and then come on back for some notes and quotes that didn't make the cut:

* Coach Bruce Boudreau made a critical change to his lines in the third period, putting Knuble on the top line with Fleischmann and Backstrom, and the trio each contributed on the last three goals of the game.

"They're fun guys to play with," Knuble said. "You know something good is going to happen."

* Jose Theodore was outstanding Friday in Florida. He was just okay tonight in making 24 stops. With his fifth win, he's pulled even with Semyon Varlamov in the 'W' column.

* Perreault continued his impressive play since being called up, scoring his first NHL goal and getting some recognition from his teammates, who gave him the red hardhat. He also got a shaving cream pie in the face from Mike Green.

He's little, but he's shifty and determined.

"He's making a statement that he wants to stay in the NHL," Boudreau said. "He's got great speed. And he's tenacious."

* Boudreau didn't scream at his players between the second and third period after the Panthers took a 3-2 lead. He said he spoke to them -- calmly, he claims -- about the importance of taking two straight from a division opponent that had begun to surge a bit after a slow start to the season.

"I didn't yell at them," Boudreau said. "I just told him the benefits of wining. I wasn't yelling. I just told them there were a lot of benefits to us winning tonight. I was talking about the benefits of where we are in the standings. A divisional game against them, it could really depress a team like that. If we can put more space between us and other teams in our division, the better."

The Caps have the biggest division lead in the NHL -- seven points over Tampa Bay.

"It's disheartening," Panthers Coach Peter DeBoer said. "Our guys played their butts off tonight. We won puck battles; we blocked shots; we were physically involved; we scored five goals and we should have won that game."

* While Semin has yet to step forward since Ovechkin went down with a shoulder injury, Backstrom certainly did tonight. He was outstanding in the third period, helping to set up the Caps' fifth and sixth goals. On the fifth goal, scored by Fleischmann, Backstrom did a nifty spin-o-rama shot/pass at the side of the net that ended up going right to Fleischmann.

Backstrom now has 17 assists in 16 games.

That's it for now. The Caps are off tomorrow, so I don't expect any injury updates until Monday morning.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 7, 2009; 11:53 PM ET
 
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@Deboer Since when does four goals = five?

Posted by: amorris525 | November 8, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Got home from the game around 11. It was great to see the team have an offensive explosion in the 3rd. To be honest, even though Jurcina was a -4, the only player I was disappointed with was Theodore. The 2nd goal would have never happened if he would have simply gone behind the net to stop the puck on the dump-in. Instead it went around the boards and Sloan had to awkwardly dive at it to try to keep the Panthers from getting it. The puck went to the point, and the shot hit the back of the net. If Theodore would have stopped it, it would have been an easy out.

The 4th goal was a joke too. At the time it seemed like a momentum killer, the stadium had a little life sucked out of it. Then Backstrom had the strong move to the net, and Flash buried the rebound, 5-4 and they didn't look back.

Theo was horrible with his rebound control and it directly contributed to him seeing 28 shots. Better control of his rebounds and he would have faced around 20 shots. Maybe he's just tired. I guess we were due for a letdown in net because IMO Theo and Varly had strung a few good ones together. Looks like we'll only trail the Pens by 2 points since they are getting their butts handed to them by the Sharks.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 8, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

@Deboer Since when does four goals = five?

Posted by: amorris525 | November 8, 2009 12:12 AM

That's because they scored a goal in OT and when you score in OT you win.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | November 8, 2009 12:39 AM | Report abuse

Perrault = mini Ovechkin! He looks just like him on the ice. Only smaller. :-)

Go #8.5!!! :-)

Posted by: irockthered | November 8, 2009 12:41 AM | Report abuse

Side note: go SHARKS! They're up 5-0 over the Penguins, with about 10 minutes left in the 3rd frame.

Posted by: irockthered | November 8, 2009 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Well gang,

We're actually tied with the Pens in points (but they got the advantage since they have more wins.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

I personally think Varly should have started. Usually, most teams don't use the same goalie in both games of back to backs. Theo needed time to recover -- which he didn't get.

I thought this would be a logical place for Varly to get more experience.

But it all worked out in the end for the Caps.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Keep your eye on Detroit with Nylander on waivers and reentry. They lost Filppula 'C' about a week ago with a broken wrist and they lost Williams 'C' tonight with a broken fibula.

I see him in red and white soon.

Posted by: puckman | November 8, 2009 1:23 AM | Report abuse

puckman:
i don't see how or why the caps would recall nyls - with a recall they would be stuck with 50% of his salary. i realize that only paying half is better than paying the whole thing - but now that he has waived his NMC, it makes little sense to me (cap wise) to recall him.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 1:29 AM | Report abuse

I was so glad to see knuble have a good game.I was wondering where his scoring sence was there for a little bit.And who ouldnt be more happy for laing and perreault?!There both work horses that deserve to be in the NHL and be rewarded for there play.Also,GO FLASH!! Ive always been a fan of flash and its so awesome to see him have a great start to the year.The caps showed they can be a good team w/o there main fire power,i just hope they keep it up and the goaltending may need to be better than usuall but so far so good.GO CAPS!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 8, 2009 1:41 AM | Report abuse

NYLES,NYLES,NYLES, ARE WE REALLY WAKING THAT DEAD HORSE AGAIN???

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 8, 2009 1:46 AM | Report abuse

gratefuldid:
the story isn't over yet - until he's turned into glue - he's fair game :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 2:02 AM | Report abuse

NYLES,NYLES,NYLES, ARE WE REALLY WAKING THAT DEAD HORSE AGAIN???

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 8, 2009 1:46 AM |

Well, he was just waived. New developments..I guess.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:17 AM | Report abuse

Perrault = mini Ovechkin! He looks just like him on the ice. Only smaller. :-)

Go #8.5!!! :-)

Posted by: irockthered | November 8, 2009 12:41 AM |

I see him as like a Backstrom with more of an edge. Maybe because he has something to prove.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:18 AM | Report abuse

As I said a couple of weeks ago, Nyls agrees to go to a team and agrees to be waived, sent to the minors and recalled. The other team (which has already made the deal) takes Nyls and the caps pay half of his salary. Not sure which team, but after playing with Wings minor league team and the injuries to their centers, that would be my guess. The Caps at the end of the day get about 2.4 Million in cap relief this year, but have to such it up a little next. They may have been waiting until the order of which team can pick up Nyls. I was told last week that after 10 or 15 games, the order to pick up players is this season record.
Anyway, nice to see all of this secondary scoring. When this move is made we could see either Carlson or Alzner now.

Posted by: RichC3 | November 8, 2009 7:21 AM | Report abuse

@gratefuldid

I'd say that Flash has earned his way to the top line at this point. And that he'll remain there when Ovi's back. Our top line will be Ovi/Backstrom/Flash. Our second line will be our normal, typical second line for the year i.e. Laich, Morrison, and Knuble, our very own KLM line. (Well, the KLM line has been flying high, lately.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 7:37 AM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Agree. It would make no sense for the Caps to recall Nyls.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

No team has fewer losses than the Caps. Points acquired in 14 of 17 games so far. What I like best about this stretch with the injuries is the team actually scored more goals outscoring Florida 11-5 in 2 nights. They are playing more settled down and working harder to get goals. Fewer penalties and that's big! Maybe we can let OV and Green go on inured reserve and bank some salary cap room to bolster the team in March? Don't rush them back - lets all sacrifice a few weeks to give a better chance at the end prize in June.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | November 8, 2009 7:39 AM | Report abuse

@puckman

Nyls in the red and white would not surprise me. The Wings have been losing players to injury left and right.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 7:41 AM | Report abuse

So far, so good - two convincing games by the CAPS (and I hope, the other teams I root for, will have the same success:) )

... such games are very good for team-chemistry ...

... and poor Semin, if he isn't able to communicate properly with the players and coaches, it is hard to adjust during a game ...

.. at least, we have three reasons for his not so strong play:
- his lingering injury,
- the defenseman, concentrating more on him in the absence of Ovie and
- the communication-problem
...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 7:44 AM | Report abuse

This is a great game for Boudreau to make a point about crashing the net and being cute with the puck. I think some of these goals don't go in against a stronger team (or at least a goalie not playing as poorly as Clemmensen did last night), but BB can point to this game and say who knows what happens if you take the puck to the net instead of looking for the pretty goals. Of course with the talent we have, we will score pretty goals, but if we can combine that skill when Ovie and Green get back with the crashing the net grinding we've seen the last two nights, we are going to score a scary amount of goals.

Posted by: Capcrazy77 | November 8, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

@yesisaiditfirst

Ovi is already on injured reserve but not LTIR. I believe they'll put hin on LTIR. His doctor doessn't want him to skate for another week. So, with that, and give him another week to get back in playing shape, sounds like LTIR.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 8:06 AM | Report abuse

@FCKoeln1

Your reason for Semin's struggles are well put. I do wonder if he was hurt worse against the Isles than he's let on. He does seem to be having trouble getting set up to shoot.

Semin says he can understand English. Speaking it is another matter.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 8:09 AM | Report abuse

Proposed lines for Wednesday. I am assuming that Ovi and Boyd Gordon are still out.

#1 Flash/Backstrom/Fehr
#2 Laich/Morrison/Knuble
#3 Semin/Perrault/Clark
#4 Bradley/Steckel/Laing

Why: 1) we want to find a way for the 1st line to score without messing up the 2nd line which is working so well. Fehr has produced in the past when teamed with Backstrom and Flash. 2) Perrault seems to make everyone around him better. Maybe he can do the same with Semin. (Semin can do more PK as a third line person since he's not bad at that. He can still do the PP. At least the PP has not had negative productivity as they did when he was absent.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

OH NO...ummm. OH NO they...um...OH NO..the Caps...OH NO ah, um...OH NO the nachos at the Verizon Center were a little less "cheesy" last night...um..OH NO the defense by the mite team in white last night was pretty weak...um..OH NO ChickenLittle is going back to bed.

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | November 8, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

I understand that Fedorov was apparently at Kettler yesterday. (Gee wonder who asked him to come over.)

He was spotted as a passenget in Semin's car.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75

Thank you:)

Understanding English and not speaking it appropriatly may lead to "miscommunication" ...

... as e.g. there is the risk, that the comments from players and coaches are taken more as commands than as hints ...

... and it can get under your skin after a while ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 8:23 AM | Report abuse

7 goals and Semin wasn't involved in any of them. Just sayin'...

Fantastic 3rd period effort last night and great night at the VC!

Posted by: CapsChick | November 8, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

I don't that Semin's problems are so much communication. I see him gliding around a lot, and most of the time when he takes a penalty, it's because he's reaching instead of trying to skate to where he's supposed to be and getting in the right position. He's got the speed to beat just about anybody, but so many times I see him not moving his feet.

Posted by: Capcrazy77 | November 8, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

What's the deal with Nylander? Why didn't he play last night?

Is Green hurt? I didn't see his name in the box score.

Who's this Perrault kid? Did we get him off waivers or was he a Hershey callup? Surprised they didn't call up Alzner with Schultz out of the lineup.

Posted by: MrObliviousCapsFan | November 8, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Semin's got to be worried - this couldn't come at a worse time for him (eg contract year). Teams will be worried that he can't create anything on his own - could greatly devalue what he can ask for.

Posted by: hook99 | November 8, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

CapsFan75 wrote:
Proposed lines for Wednesday. I am assuming that Ovi and Boyd Gordon are still out.

#1 Flash/Backstrom/Fehr
#2 Laich/Morrison/Knuble
#3 Semin/Perrault/Clark
#4 Bradley/Steckel/Laing
___________________

I agree about lines 2 and 4, but I would put Fehr on the third line and keep Semin up on the first line. Still waiting for BB to give me a call, though!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 8, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

I watched semin pretty closely last night and he appeared to be focus on his defensive responsibilities. Staying high so as not to get caught with too many fowards down low. I'm guessing he was told to mind his defense when he's not on the top line.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 8, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

I'm convinced Semin is hurt. He is not playing in the same universe as he used to.

I do not believe he has any difficulty communicating with others.

Another great game from Perreault. I hope he can stay for a while. I'd say he's earned a spot.

Posted by: Sonyask | November 8, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

What's the deal with Nylander? Why didn't he play last night?

The Caps have opted not to play Nylander for reasons that they have not revealed. We just know that they aren't.

Is Green hurt? I didn't see his name in the box score.

Yes. He and Ovi shared a press box last night; no one is really sure where Schultz was but I imagine he was around as well.

Who's this Perrault kid? Did we get him off waivers or was he a Hershey callup? Surprised they didn't call up Alzner with Schultz out of the lineup.

Mathieu Perreault's a Hershey callup and was very impressive in preseason - one of the last to be sent down. He was a 4th (I think?) round draft choice in 2006. He's been a monster out there so far and sending him down isn't going to be easy.

As for why they didn't call up Alzner in Schultz's absence - no need and the cap space is very tight right now. Tyler Sloan can play either forward or defense, and with Erskine ready, they had six D (ShaMo, Juice, Pothier, Poti, Sloan, Erskine). Fehr was available to come back into the lineup, so Sloan was moved to D and Fehr took Sloan's spot at Perreault's left wing.

Posted by: kittypawz | November 8, 2009 9:46 AM | Report abuse

the rangers also lost two centers to injuries last night against the flames...

Drury (concussion) and Dubinsky (undisclosed)

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Kittypawz, I think that "mrobliviouscapsfan" is just yanking our chains. Sort of like ChickenLittleCapsFan---they are both providing some much needed humor on this board! BTW, very nice answers from you.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 8, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Semin is a head case. He is lost without his countryman alongside him. He is also very introverted and you can tell that there is something wrong by watching his body language. They need to bring in a Russian speaking sports psycholigist (if there is such a thing)

Posted by: MKadyman | November 8, 2009 10:11 AM | Report abuse

Good game from the Caps last night. A good confidence building game for a lot of the new guys. Of course it helped that Florida played without a goalie :). Say what you will about Jose but at least he played back-to back games. Clemmensen just looked awful.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 10:16 AM | Report abuse

kittypawz, From previous posts I believe MrOblivious is a kidder.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 8, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

I think that we let semin walk next year and then take that money and go for kolvachuck that would be awsome

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 10:19 AM | Report abuse

Poor Semin. He's already being Nylandered and Nyles isn't even gone yet. Soon, he'll have a permanent seat in the press box and all of us "experts" will declare it the smartest move ever made. Everyone knows that Quintin Lang > Alexander Semin. LOL. He's not good for the "system"! He's a headcase that only shines because of Ovi! He's not good enough for the NHL! And all because he didn't play in Hershey. So who's on deck?

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

The rangers lost two centers to injuries ...

... despite Brash ? ;)

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

1. I agree with above posters who think Semin looks hurt. He hasn't been himself.

2. I looked at the injury report. Detroit's Williams has a broken fibula and is listed as day-to-day. Really? He could play any day? I realize there's two bones down there but Hockey isn't exactly a non-contact sport.

3. Red Wings AND Rangers each down 2 centers...interesting. Thanks for that info to the posters who pointed it out.

4. Does anyone else think it would be more poetic if the Red Wings' broken bones were Filppula - fibula and Williams - wrist or am I the only person whose mind is warped enough to have ideas like that?

Posted by: grackle5 | November 8, 2009 10:41 AM | Report abuse

guys like kovalchuk all have egos... he's not likely to come to a team that has already a clear cut number one star

he'll probably stay where he is unless the caps throw crazy money at him which is NOT gonna happen

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

@ t-bone67

I'm sure Kovalchuk, a superstar, is willing to take $4 million per year pay cut just to play with Ovi. In fact, I'm sure if GMGM was any good at his job, he could've convinced Phaneuf to accept Erskine's salary, Malkin to take BMo's salary, and Lundquist to take Varalamov's salary. Sure they wouldn't get paid their market value, but they'd get to play with Ovi! LOL!

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 10:48 AM | Report abuse

anybody know the 3 stars from yesterday's game?

Posted by: bryaningrocery | November 8, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

So if i get this right our lines:

Flash-Backstrom-Knuble 4g 4a 8sog +8
Laich-BMo-Semin 1g 2a 7sog -1
Laing-Steckel-Brads 1g 1a 7sog +0
Fehr-Perrault-Clark 1g 2a 6sog +0

The second line would worry me but other than our top line a lot of the 2nd 3rd and 4rth line guys get PK time. Laich, bmo, steckel, fehr tend to get a lot of time contributing to their minuses.

Posted by: breaklance | November 8, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

@ablake70

... sometimes a player may accept less money for a real chance to drink from a special cup ;) ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Semin is making 5 per this season and looking for a raise to be around 7+ per. Kovalchuck is making 7.5 and wanting to play for a winning team with real cup chances is great freinds with OV and fits with the style that we play. I think he would take the same amount that he is making to go to a contender

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

@ablake70

... sometimes a player may accept less money for a real chance to drink from a special cup ;) ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

that hardly happens during the prime of their career... towards the end, sure but not when they're in their mid-20's

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@ FCKoeln1

At 26, I don't see Kovalchuk taking that pay cut yet. He's an elite player in his own right and probably believes that a Cup winner can be built around him. At this stage of his career, I think the only way we see Kovy is if we say goodbye to Ovi. That's not happening.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 11:12 AM | Report abuse

@joekk443

your are right - however, I don't see the Thrashers as cup contenders in the near future ;)

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 11:13 AM | Report abuse

I retract my mild criticism of Backstrom for his play during Ovi's absence. I wasn't able to watch the entire game last night, and I apparently missed several good things he did.

As far as Semin goes, they're going to issue an Amber Alert for the guy pretty soon. If it weren't for the penalties, he wouldn't show up on the box score at all. We can't count on the blue collar guys continuing to provide all the scoring. It's past time for Semin to step up.

Of course, if Semin has some undisclosed health issue, I retract this criticism too.

Posted by: zmega | November 8, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

@ FCKoeln1

A few years ago, no one saw the Caps as Cup contenders. Besides, there are other teams that would take Kovy and pay him what he wants.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

@ablake70

To built a cup winner around a superstar isn't easy in times of the salary cap - e.g. the CAPS have nearly all pieces together and it will be difficult to not let them go ...

... we have discussed the problems on this board in the past e.g. concerning Nyls, Theo, Backstrom and Semin ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Kovalchuk is also their franchise player. Can't see Thrashers letting him go so easily.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 8, 2009 11:28 AM | Report abuse

8 years of losing in Atl is all he can take he has let that known he wants to win and go to a winner and has said all along that money is not the biggest factor on his mind that is why Atl is trying to lock him up now.

I don't think that Semin is a 7+ per player, too many issues but that is what he is looking for.

Kolvalchuk is a 7+ per player and I think he would take the same money to play with OV and Backs.

Who would you rather pay that money to Semin or Kolvalchuk?

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

@ zmega

Semin actually had a good game, despite what others say. Every time he touched the puck, he got destroyed by the Panthers. He created good scoring chances, he just didn't show up on the score sheet. And I was floored when I saw him throw some hits, lol.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

bryaningrocery:
knuble, flash & laich

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

oh yippee- the experts are all back who can solve all the problems. where would we be without you?

Posted by: spinner-33 | November 8, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Who would you rather pay that money to Semin or Kolvalchuk?

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 11:30 AM |

The answer is painstakingly obvious, but I hardly doubt Kovalchuk is going to switch teams. Plus, as you said, Kovy and Semin's salaries aren't even in the same ballpark.

Kovalchuk is my favorite player in the NHL, but seeing him in a Caps jersey is just some heavy wishful thinking.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@ t-bone67

The Caps may be able to get Kovalchuk at a $7 million cap hit per year, but that would require a Hossa like contract. Kovy is easily an $8.5-9 million actual dollar per year player.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@ zmega

Semin actually had a good game, despite what others say. Every time he touched the puck, he got destroyed by the Panthers. He created good scoring chances, he just didn't show up on the score sheet. And I was floored when I saw him throw some hits, lol.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 11:32 AM |

I agree that Semin doesn't need to show up on the scoresheet every night and I also agree that he didn't play as nearly as bad as everyone said, but last night was definetely not his best game either.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

@dccitizen1

I'm assuming they have to try something new to get Semin untracked. Perrault is a person who's great at making his line mates better and that's what Semin needs.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 11:47 AM | Report abuse

@ablake - At this point, I would be satisfied with him playing with more energy offensively. If he did that, I think that the points would follow. If you aren't moving, it's easy for the opposing players to hit you. It is interesting to see that there are a few people who defend his play over the past few games. The coach sure isn't happy, and statistically there's nothing to point to in arguing that he is playing well. The situation is magnified by the need for him to step up with Ovi going down.

Posted by: zmega | November 8, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@hook99

I figure Semin is worried (and playing like a guy who's overly nervous). Won't get any offers from other teams. Caps will give him a 1 year qualifying offer. Semin walks to KHL, either with Fedorov's team or with Cherepovets Severstal, the team that his best friend (before Ovi) has played with for several years.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@Sonyask

I would not be surprised if Semin is playing hurt. Boudreau did hint of some undisclosed injuries.

Plus, Semin did get cross-checked in the back against the Isles last week. He said he was okay but I've begun to wonder. He had two assists against Columbus but has done nada since.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Here is what I am getting at you have an unhappy superstar that wants to play for a contender who has stated that money is not a major factor. We have a player who is looking for the same kind of money as said superstar and is not worth that amount of money not many players are. GMGM is trying to figure out what to with his contract demands and the KHL is not out of the picture for said player he has done this to GMGM before when he balked at his contract demands. At the end of the year GMGM has a shot to make this happen.

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

I doubt Semin will go to the KHL. In fact, I guarantee it.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70

I will be very sad if Semin were Nylanderized (sitting in the press box every night as a healthy scratch) for I like Semin.

It's heartbreaking to watch.

Who's waiting in the wings to take Semin's place? Actually, I assume Ovi will take Semin's place on whatever line Semin ends up on (if he's still in the top 2 lines) and Semin moves down. If we want a Hershey guy, we'd bring up Giroux (and/or Aucoin) or possibly Wilson.


Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@ zmega

During last night's game he was skating with the puck when he got destroyed, so it's not like he standing still. I'm certainly not saying that he's having his best games, his shots have been off. But he has created scoring chances and dare I say that Flash got "too fancy" with the puck. And remember, Ovi went through his own scoring slump last year.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70

How badly does Kovy want to both get on a wining team and be with Ovi to be willing to take a probably pay cut?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Semin will go to the KHL. In fact, I guarantee it.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 12:00 PM

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Did you just contradict yourself?

Or are you, in fact, guaranteeing that Semin will not go to the KHL next year? Or are you guaranteeing that he will (and a typo was made somewhere along the line)?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Do Svidanya, Sasha. It was nice knowing you. I appreciate the contributions you made to the team.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

@ CapsFan75

Kovy is 26 years old. There is no reason that he should believe that a winner couldn't be built around him. If he were older, maybe, but he is in the prime of his money earning career. Of course, none of us know enough about Kovy to say what he would or wouldn't do, but I think people make too much of this "he will do anything to play with Ovi" argument.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

some people posting here clearly need someone to pick on to make themselves feel superior. and with the usual pack mentality, they attack the people least likely and least able to fight back.

i doubt they would be saying the same things in person if they were directly in front of sasha semin. or michael nylander. or jeff schultze. posters who need to bash players to feel better about themselves-- what heroes. i'd like to see you go down on ice, face to face, person to person, and tell the players exactly what you think about why they can't play, or tell them how stupid and lazy you think they are. it's easy to type insults on a keyboard or shout obscenities from the stands, where anonymity protects you from getting hurt in return.

Posted by: spinner-33 | November 8, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Or are you, in fact, guaranteeing that Semin will not go to the KHL next year? Or are you guaranteeing that he will (and a typo was made somewhere along the line)?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:08 PM |

I am guaranteeing my doubt that Semin will go to the KHL next year.

What people forget about these "big non-taxed contracts" the KHL gives away, is that..the KHL had a freakin redraft last year! What does this mean? It meant that teams were shuffled around, most players did not see half of their contract money, and also shows how weak the KHL is right now, financially.

Semin has not been ostracized like Zherdev or someone like that has. He will be offered decent money (5-6) from some NHL team, unlike Hudler was. Semin is not going to the KHL.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75: I think Backstrom works well with Semin (well, he works well with anyone, practically), and I think he's more of a known commodity for Semin. I sure hope things change for Semin soon----so many people are down on him. Could be something to the injury issue too. Seems like a looooong time till Wednesday. I can't wait to rock the red in person!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 8, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

@ spinner-33

I would LOVE to see some of the fans blast Nyles, Semin, Schultz, etc to their faces. You're right. A lot of this bashing of players is just the "pack mentality".

@ richmondphil

I agree about Semin. Despite what Caps fans (and others) want to believe, there are plenty of other teams that would take Alexander Semin at $6 million a year. They don't care that he didn't come through Hershey.

Posted by: ablake70 | November 8, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

@dccitizen1

As a Semin lover, I am really sad about recent events. It is painful to watch and to witness.

I would guess that he's pressing. (I would be too, if I were being criticized as often as him.)

He has worked well with Backstrom in the past.

Please, oh please, turn it around, Sasha.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70

Good answer. Kovy is young enough to be optimistic on the prospect of a winning team for the Thrashers.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

Also, put Perrault on the first line please. That kid can seemingly do everything!

As Ovie said, he's got a long NHL career ahead of him.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Good post on explaining the KHL situation. And the likelihood that Semin will not go there.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

I think that Kovy will look at Rick Nash and want to try to stay and build a franchise there in ATL. Rick Nash has waited a long time, and he is finally being awarded with the right guys around him. Fittingly, the year that he signed his extension. Then again, Nash's team made the playoffs last year, and ATL did not.

Seriously though, if Kovalchuk doesn't resign with ATL, that team is done. We'd have another PHX situation in a year or two.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 12:42 PM | Report abuse

since when did Hershey become the absolute necessary stop for the future Caps players?

I don't remember anyone complaining about the fact that Scott Stevens made the team straight outta junior hockey at the age of 18 and never spent a day in binghamton? I think that was their AHL affiliate those days...

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75:Do Svidanya, Sasha. It was nice knowing you. I appreciate the contributions you made to the team.
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If you appreciate his contributions so much, why are you in such a hurry to write him off? Concern troll much?

Posted by: member8 | November 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

MP may be 2nd line center when Morrison leaves. The 1st line center roll is already taken. He'd be wasted as a winger.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

MP may be 2nd line center when Morrison leaves. The 1st line center roll is already taken. He'd be wasted as a winger.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 12:44 PM |

I know, I know..I'm just saying. Perrault is giving that old man Swede a run for his money right now!

(joking aside, I am thoroughly impressed with Perrault's play so far.)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

maybe semin needs to learn to speak English so he can be coached...another slight euro drawback

Posted by: wendel2 | November 8, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4633678&name=lebrun_pierre

the future of head gear in hockey... sure hope it looks better on the players than it does on LeBrun

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

anyone see reekie jschon or keef?

Posted by: wendel2 | November 8, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

I understand that Fedorov was apparently at Kettler yesterday. (Gee wonder who asked him to come over.)
He was spotted as a passenget in Semin's car.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 8:21 AM
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The KHL had the week off because of a tournament in Finland. Maybe Feds came back just to visit or to take care of personal stuff. If he helps Semin while he's here that'd be great.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 8, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I am not bashing Semin, but he is looking for way too much money. The CAPS fan in me would rather see his team spend that kind of money on KoV. It is not that far fetched of an idea that it could happen and dollar for dollar would be a better deal for the team. Just think what the two best goal scores in the league on the same team look like. Semin + Nyl cap hit= 9.5 + theo + backs = 16.4

6.5 per for backs
7.5 per KoV

2.4 left over not even counting the 6+ to come free on the D next year

Just saying that it could work.

ROCK THE RED

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@member8: You must not read this board much. CapsFan75 is about as far from a troll as a person can get! I think she is just worried/sad that Semin might leave the Caps. Look before you jump, okay?

@CapsFan75: I'm with you all the way with Semin. We both know he's fantastic and is capable of more great years with the Caps. He's going through a rough patch right now, for whatever reason, and I'm certain he'll get through it. Can't wait to see him celebrate his next goal.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 8, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?entryID=4633678&name=lebrun_pierre

the future of head gear in hockey... sure hope it looks better on the players than it does on LeBrun

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 1
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Wow---is it the helmet or his head that is so misshapen? Looks like the helmet is built to accomodate a Donald Trump-like hairdo.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 8, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Perrault = mini Ovechkin! He looks just like him on the ice. Only smaller. :-)

Go #8.5!!! :-)

Posted by: irockthered | November 8, 2009 12:41 AM

Maybe Ovie can dub Perrault "Mini Me."

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@dccitizen1

I can hardly wait for Sasha's next goal either.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I am not bashing Semin, but he is looking for way too much money. The CAPS fan in me would rather see his team spend that kind of money on KoV. It is not that far fetched of an idea that it could happen and dollar for dollar would be a better deal for the team. Just think what the two best goal scores in the league on the same team look like. Semin + Nyl cap hit= 9.5 + theo + backs = 16.4

6.5 per for backs
7.5 per KoV
Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 1:01 PM |

So how exactly do you know that Semin is asking for too much money? Your numbers also are a bit crude and a generalization, since it's not factoring in all the other players who are due for extensions/roster spots we need to fill.

As I already said, Kovy over Semin is a no-brainer, but I really don't see it happening.

Plus, just because we have the space doesn't mean we should spend it. Going down a different hypothetical, if we signed Semin over Kovy, we can use that extra 2-3 mil. combined with the other space we have for a d man.

I would lose my mind and buy a Kolvachuk jersey instantly if he wanted to play here, but I don't see it happening. At all.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

@ richmondphil

Old man Swede indeed. Last time I checked, Morrison wasn't Swedish. And Backstrom's barely older than Perrault -- about 1.5 months older.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I really like Semin, I'n nor down on him, but I like Kovalchuk better. And, Kovy is also good freinds w/Ovechkin.

Kovy is a UFA after this season, which means ATL is trading him on March 1st.

richmondphil: The team has no fans in the seats w/him anyway; it is a sinking franchise.

Anyway, offer up Semin and Poti and maybe a #2 pick. (This is you have agreed with Kovy on multi-year deal at like $7.5-8.0M/year.) Kovy fits in the cap this year and next if you subtract Semin and Poti.

Again, I like Semin, and I'm not saying to absolutely do this, but it is a possibility and this is the way it could happen.

Last night's game was really nice, despite a few issues. It was great that so many players stepped up. Clark looks really energized playing with Perrault.

Is Perrault better than Aucoin?

It is almost astronomically impossible for a team to win 7-4 and one of its players be a -4 on +/-. Milan Jurcina, though, accomplished that feat.

Finally, I told freakinandpeakin before the season that Flash and Fehr would make $4M combined next year. Fehr is trying hard to make it impossible for me to be right; but Flash if he keeps going gets decent money ($3M) in a multi-year deal. Flash can do this is he stays healthy and pots 30.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@ tess2201

Hope he (Fedorov) does help Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

And to be perfectly honest with you guys, I am having a strange hunch that Theo might re-sign here. At a hefty cut, of course.

I don't want him too (although I like Theo) and I want Varlamov to be ready for full-time next year, but I am having my doubts.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Kovy is a UFA after this season, which means ATL is trading him on March 1st.

richmondphil: The team has no fans in the seats w/him anyway; it is a sinking franchise.

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That's what they said about JayBo and Nash last year. If ATL is anywhere near the top 8, Kovy is not going anywhere. Combine that with the fact that Kovy LOVES ATL and the fact that they would lose the rest of their fanbase if he went.


Again, I am distraught at some of the comments regarding Southern hockey markets. As fans of a Southern team, we should want ANY team in the South to succeed. That's why Dallas, Tampa, and Carolina all rule.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Just a note, I understand that JayBo was not a UFA, and Nash may have well been 26 at the time too.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

@dccitizen1

That's the first time I've been called a troll here (from member 8). Guess there's a first time for everyone.

I remember a few of our regular posters getting called a troll on occasion.

Yes, I'm worried about Sasha and do not want him gone, especially when so many people would like that. (There's one blogger who's had a daily rant about Semin since the Detroit game -- I'm not kidding. His latest is that if they had to choose between Flash and Semin for signing to a contract next year, the choice would be Flash.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

As far as Perrault and Aucoin are concerned, I'll take either of them right now. They both looked good. But Perrault is a prospect and Aucoin is just a body, so it 's probably better that the guy who is more likely to have a future here is up right now.

I understand that Aucoin is only down for waiver reasons, correct? Something about only playing 8 games?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@ tominfl1

Flash seems to have earned his way to the Caps top line and is now ahead of Semin in the depth chart.

I hope Semin gets it together for us very soon.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh, one more thing, no way on Earth do I see the Caps doing a reverse waivers on Nyles just to get him claimed in a "deal" at half price.

Let's go to the numbers:

Worst case, we are stuck with his cap figure. Another $4M or thereabouts this year and then ZERO next year (the NMC expires; club puts him on waivers; he is unclaimed; we send to Hershey; he either plays and gets paid in the minors or retires - no cap hit either way. BUT, nothing for next year.

OR, we do the reverse waivers and he cost half of this year PLUS!!!!!! half of next year. That would be 2 + 2.45 = 4.45. That's worse in total and, especially, it's worse next year. Next year we truly need the money for Backstrom ($6.5M = +4.1), Semin ($6M = +1.4) and Flash ($2.5M = +1.775).

I'm speculating on Flash, but he's playing like a guy who will get 55-60 pts in 72 games = $2.5M a year over three years.

Caps cannot do reverse waivers w/Nyles. Too expensive.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Yes, agree with that Atlanta would lose the rest of their fanbase if Kovy left the team.

There's already talk about the Atlanta franchise not lasting anyway, even with Kovy.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Just an interesting stat I came across, Aucoin has 0 giveaways in his 8 games, while also getting 5 steals.

I'd like to see more of our players with a ratio like this, as opposed to Clark's, Erskine's, Schultz's, Green's giveaway : takeaway ratio.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Yes. If Aucoin would have played 10 games, he would've had to clear waivers to go back to Hershey and we could end up losing him. So they sent him back after 8 games. Perreault in still on his entry-level contract so the waiver rules are different for him.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 8, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

And on top of that, Bradley has 0 giveaways and 9 takeaways!

Do they still count missed shots that they opponent scoops up as a "giveaway"? That might explain why our more prolific shooters seem to have a bad ratio compared to our 3/4 line muckers.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice that with Green out of the lineup, we didn't give up a short handed scoring chance, and kept possession of the puck in the zone during the power plays?

It has been a while since i've seen our powerplay create space by using their feet, instead of standing still and holding onto the puck for a little too long.

Just saying....

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | November 8, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70

Agree with you.

Last night, Semin and the second line spent a bunch of time in the offensive zone and created a fair number of chances but couldn't finish. The next line change was our first line who came in and scored. It was helpful for our first line to come in with "good field position" to use a football analogy.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

@ CapsFan75

as much as we wanna believe our opinions matter about these players, it really doesn't

whether Semin or any other player goes or stays, what a few ranters say on here won't decide that... only what GMGM & BB think matter in the end

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@ CapsFan75

as much as we wanna believe our opinions matter about these players, it really doesn't

whether Semin or any other player goes or stays, what a few ranters say on here won't decide that... only what GMGM & BB think matter in the end

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

Glad to see you back posting here.

(What has happened to Boo and MrsZilla who used to be regulars here? I know RedBirdie switched over to Japers.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice that with Green out of the lineup, we didn't give up a short handed scoring chance, and kept possession of the puck in the zone during the power plays?


Posted by: fricknoutstandin | November 8, 2009 1:31 PM |

Ovie is just as guilty for shorties and horrible PPs as Green is.

just sayin..

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@bryaningrocery:
knuble, flash & laich

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 11:35 AM | Report abuse

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Oh, would you like to see that line sometime?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else notice that with Green out of the lineup, we didn't give up a short handed scoring chance, and kept possession of the puck in the zone during the power plays?

It has been a while since i've seen our powerplay create space by using their feet, instead of standing still and holding onto the puck for a little too long.

Just saying....

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | November 8, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse


OV is also out.. that has more to do with them not giving up shorthanded chances because he's a forward playing the point.. something I've always been against

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Circumstances aren't the same IMHO.

1) Panthers were in the playoff hunt and deadline day. Fans were offered "buy a 4-pack, playoffs guaranteed or else free tix next year." Club had to keep him. Then they traded him to Calgary 24 hrs before UFA day because you have to know Bouwmeester had agreed to a deal.

2) The Jackets have, I'm almost certain, amuch better fan base than the Panthers. (What the he!! else is there to do in Columbus except 11 days a year when the Buckeyes play?). Anyway, Nash wanted to stay and Bouwmeester didn't. That, I think is the bottom line.

Does Kovy really want to stay in ATL? If his two choices were that and uniting with Ovechkin in DC? I don't know. Meanwhile, Ovechkin-Kovy-Knuble would be great, just as Flash-Backstrom-Laich would be great.

It's called "succession planning" - what you do if someone leaves. Losing Semin and Poti and gaining Kovalchuk would not be the end of the world.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Thank the Lord, the anti-Semin ranters do not get to decide on who should be on the team. Also, thank the Lord, that the "Storming the Crease" blogger is not the person who's deciding Semin's future. While that blogger is a very analytical blogger in many ways, he has basically ranted against Semin just about every day since the Detroit game. The opinions of Boudreau and McVee are the ones that matter.

So many writers are beginning to agree with that guy.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Gaining Kovalchuk for Semin wouldn't be the end of the world. I'd be sad at Semin leaving but happy to see Kovy. But would Atlanta agree to that deal? Only if they were truly convinced that there was no way on Earth that they could sign Kovy.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Redskins already stinking up the joint. Time to go out and enjoy the beautiful day.

Posted by: zmega | November 8, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

So, when Boyd Gordon comes off LTIR, do you:

1) swap him for a #3 pick and keep Perreault, with back-up plan to bring up Aucoin if Perreault slumps, using the pick for a dealine deal later on, or

2) keep Gordon up and send Perreault back down.

I vote for 1.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

It's called "succession planning" - what you do if someone leaves. Losing Semin and Poti and gaining Kovalchuk would not be the end of the world.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:38 PM |

Well, you should know that I am not the biggest Poti fan. And as I have already stated, probably a few times, Kovy over Semin is an absolute no-brainer. Why would I think the world is ending if my favorite NHL team acquired my favorite NHL player? I would be jumping for joy and laughing at my Thrasher friends.


If for some strange reason Kovy does not re-sign in ATL, than he will most likely not be coming to the Caps. I just don't see it happening.

As far as JayBo goes, I think stating that that was the reason the club kept him is a bit elementary. The club kept him because they were trying to lock in the 8th spot. No more, no less.
Nash resigned because he felt he owned CBJ his career..plus his team is getting really good.
CBJ pulled in more fans than both the Cats and the Thrashers, that's no surprise. Especially when you consider that the Cats and the Thrashers (and all SE teams in general, minus the Caps) are in the bottom 5 for revenue/ticket sales every year. I am not really seeing why the size of the fanbase matters anyway. So CBJ has 5K more fans than ATL...I do not see why in any way, shape, or form this was the deciding factor in Nash staying and Kovy potentially leaving.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75: With ATL out of the playoffs, I can't see them not trading Kovy if he hasn't re-upped by 1 March. That extension absolutely, positively has to be on the table TODAY. Atlanta GM must know in his mind if he expects Kovy to stay or go. "Here, Kovy, $8M/year, sign."

"Well, I don't know..."

He gets traded if that's how it plays out. You can't just lose that kind of talent for nothing.

Kovy is not worth "Ovechkin dollars." Almost - not quite.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

Phil: re: size of fan base.

1) Columbus has more money.
2) It's more fun to play there when the seats are filled.

Nash, also might just have more loyalty than Bouwmeester.

Playing in front of Panther or Thrasher crowds has to be a chore. Tampa is better because they've had success. Columbus though is in the "hockey belt," that area of the country where kids play the sport. Maybe Nash likes it there.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

One more question from last night:

One minute into the 2nd, Semin and a Panther went off for coincidental minors. The teams skated 4-on-4 for the next two mins.

Am I having a real brain fart? When did they go back to 4-on-4 for coincidental minors? I thought it was 5-on-5 since the 80s.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

I think they brought back the 4 on 4 a few years ago, not sure exactly when but I think it was before the lockout

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

I just re-checked the attendance numbers last year. CBJ, FLA, and ATL all were under 16K home average last year, placing all of them in the bottom 10 for team attendance. CBJ and ATL both put up good averages in general (factoring away crowds), at least when compared to FLA.

I just don't see that big of a difference between CBJ and ATL or FLA fanbases, and the stats seem to agree. And I don't think the size of the fanbase is the #1 determining factor for these guys. If all they cared about was fanbase, then they would all be playing in TOR or MTL.


Of course, if ATL completely bombs this year again, then it's a different story. I just think that if ATL makes the playoffs, than Kovy is going to stay, no matter the outcome.


Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

My view of ATL may also be a bit skewed. I used to go to Atlanta Knights games frequently during their short stint in the 90s.

Keep in mind, ATL has a longer history of hockey than even Washington. I am positive that if a good team was formed there, the fanbase would be fine. Washington has had as many ups and downs with hockey as ATL has, if not more. The Flames operated without financial problems for a long time. It's not like every single hockey team there struggles from the get-go.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

@ tominfl1

1. put fehr or clark on waivers demote to hershey they are just holding a spot for Oskar

2. Gordon only RT handed center a must have for the team, move steckel to the wing on 4th line with gordon and lang and use steckel and gordon as F/O specialists and PK

@ richmondphil

So how exactly do you know that Semin is asking for too much money? Your numbers also are a bit crude and a generalization, since it's not factoring in all the other players who are due for extensions/roster spots we need to fill.

As I already said, Kovy over Semin is a no-brainer, but I really don't see it happening.

Plus, just because we have the space doesn't mean we should spend it. Going down a different hypothetical, if we signed Semin over Kovy, we can use that extra 2-3 mil. combined with the other space we have for a d man.

I would lose my mind and buy a Kolvachuk jersey instantly if he wanted to play here, but I don't see it happening. At all.

Rumors (comcast and Joe B) have Semin seeking ELITE player money he is making 5 per this last contract and looking for more where 5 per is about right until he proves he is a superstar. He also had the same attitude before OV was part of the team and OV had to convince him to rejoin the team, that says a lot about the player.

The #'s I used are raw and we have the space to resign players (flash morrison)and let some go next year who have run out of time to prove themselves better than the cheaper/better players to replace them Alsner Carlson ect at al

Posted by: t-bone67 | November 8, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Maybe the difference to me is that in Columbus, Jackets are in a hockey area and they are #2 to Buckeys. Thrash are #4 at best in ATL and the Panthers are about 6th in Miami (if you count UM and weather).

Nash signed just a few days he was eligible (he had one year left before UFA I think). Bouwmeester had that opportunity but never signed. Maybe it was less complicated. Maybe Jackets just made a good offer. OTOH, Nash to me has to be a bigger celebrity in Columbus than Kovy would in ATL.

Anyway, I'm just blowing smoke because I don't know. What I know is Nash signed as soon as he was eligible to do so, and Kovy, like Bouwmeester, has delayed. Forget climate, fan base, club standing, whatever - Nash wanted to sign and did; Kovy hasn't wanted to, which means he will get traded if ATL isn't in the playoff hunt March 1st.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

MP can't ride the Batman ride at the park.......he is too short for height requirements. And I thought he could do everything as well.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | November 8, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Phil, also, for what it's worth, Bouwmeester signed with Calgary about one nanosecond after he was traded there - probably for same money as FLA offered.

Nash signed with Jackets one day after he was eligible for an extension.

Nash wanted to be in Columbus. Bouwmeester did not want to be in Florida and wanted to be in Calgary. Kovalchuk in my mind doesn't really want to be in Atlanta or else he would have signed. Unless Atlanta is low-balling. I don't see how though because he is very obviously worth around $8.5M, so there can't be much room for misunderstanding.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, I'm just blowing smoke because I don't know. What I know is Nash signed as soon as he was eligible to do so, and Kovy, like Bouwmeester, has delayed. Forget climate, fan base, club standing, whatever - Nash wanted to sign and did; Kovy hasn't wanted to, which means he will get traded if ATL isn't in the playoff hunt March 1st.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:38 PM |

Yeah, but this is sort of getting away from the initial point. All I said was that JayBo and Nash were both said to be moved at the deadline, and neither did. I then followed it up with exactly what you said; if ATL is anywhere near the top 8, then Kovy is not going anywhere. If ATL is scraping the bottom again, then he (along with every other player in this position) has the potentiality of being moved at the deadline.

Nash signed a year early, so pointing him out may not have been the best person to point out. Still, if ATL made the playoffs last year, you don't think Kovy would have re-signed?


Also, Kovy has already stated that he wants to re-sign and stay in ATL. How much he actually meant of it may be another story.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyway, I'm just blowing smoke because I don't know. What I know is Nash signed as soon as he was eligible to do so, and Kovy, like Bouwmeester, has delayed. Forget climate, fan base, club standing, whatever - Nash wanted to sign and did; Kovy hasn't wanted to, which means he will get traded if ATL isn't in the playoff hunt March 1st.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:38 PM |

Tons of players re-sign who do not sign extensions early. Stars too. I don't think this is a good form of measurement to judge someone's attitude, especially if that person has said he likes ATL and wants to stay.

Kovy is obviously the one holding out. I highly doubt ATL is low-balling, given the stupid amount they gave Antropov. I just don't see why this means he won't resign.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Anyways, I think Kovy will resign with ATL. You think he will be traded.

Best Case Scenario: He signs/gets traded to the Caps.

I just think talking about Kovy is more of a pipedream than seeing Nyls gone. (well..maybe 2 months ago, when Nyls being gone did seem impossible.)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Here are the pertinent numbers to the Kovalchuk extension:

Gaborik 7.5
Malkin 8.7
Crosby 8.7
Ovechkin 9.375

Kovalchuk IMO is clearly worth more than Gaborik but less than the other three. And there isn't much room to argue. The bottom that the club could start at is 8, and the player can't justify more than 8.6 (he doesn't have an MVP, and Crosby does).

As far as negotiations go, that's a small difference.

If I'm the club, I offer him 8.5. If he doesn't sign, I trade him before he gets hurt.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't see the significance of the Kovy/Semin discussion being so much about money but about how many years on the contract with the guy. Are posters saying that Kovy would be willing to take a 1 or 2 year contract.

Even if he were ready to leave Atlanta and would want to be playing with his buddy Ovie, taking a short contract is a huge risk for him at this stage in his career. This is when he should be seeking that long-termed deal. And I just can't imagine McPhee signing him to a long-term contract without even having seen him play as a Cap. That's a big risk for both Kovy and the Caps.

If and when he he signs a long-term with Backs and/or Semin, McPhee knows what he's getting in terms of team play and chemistry etc. I just can't imagine him making a long-term contract with another player, possibly tying up his options at the time of playoffs, especially with defense needs.

And although Semin has not been playing at the top of his game, he has not played badly. Sometimes our expectations for the players are unrealistic. Ovie-like efficiency and consistency (and even he has his off games) is hard to replicate. We really shouldn't expect Semin to be like Ovie, to carry the game on his shoulders. He's Semin, with his own special skill set. I have not lost faith in him. He will find his groove.

I think we all have taken a speculative idea and spun it into a gossamer thin strand because Kovy really is an amazing player. But I just don't see it happening. We need to spread the cap dollars around to balance out the roster, especially come playoff time. We need to keep our options open.

Sometimes I think we armchair GMs analyze as if the Caps were our fantasy league.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Gaborik is a great comparison to Kovy, I think. They would make the same money if Gabby didn't have health issues. 8-8.5 sounds right for him and also sounds right for Gabby if he was never hurt.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:00 PM | Report abuse

And I just can't imagine McPhee signing him to a long-term contract without even having seen him play as a Cap. That's a big risk for both Kovy and the Caps.

_________________

Though I agree with most of your points, I don't really see why GMGM would care about seeing Kovalchuk before signing him long-term. You know exactly what you are getting from Kovy. (who has never had stable linemates, btw, and still puts up good numbers.)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Really, I don't know if he will be traded or not. Depends on many things. We have players who sign early (Nash), who sign late (the Minnesota goalie, Backstrom, signed 5 yrs/$30M just before trading deadline last year) and those who play out the string (JayBo).

Which is Kovy? You know better than I do. What I THINK is that 1) ATL has made an offer, probably fair and 2) if they fall out of the playoffs and he still hasn't signed he WILL BE traded and 3) if he moves on, the Caps are an obvious destination since we have his buddy.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
the caps couldn't afford 8.5 for kovy even with semin gone - unless they fielded a roster of 18-19 instead of 22-23. if you think people are crying about having no d now - having kovy would mean needing to average around 5g a game.
i'd like to see them keep semin because he has the talent to be dominant in games. i don't think he is worth more than 6-6.25 as he is streaky and a bit fragile (physically and mentally). i think its important to keep the core of the team happy - i'm basically saying ovi, backs, semin and green are growing up together. if the caps were to 'discard' on of the family - it could make other family members 'unhappy' - and that's not good

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@newbiescapsfan07

Also, it could be worse. Leaf fans have already bought Kovalchuk jerseys!

It'll join the big pile of Lecavalier MTL jerseys, haha.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1:

What red wine did you drink for the 7 goals, 2 points?

I had a Spanish red wine called Montana from the region of Valencia ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 8, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Which is Kovy? You know better than I do. What I THINK is that 1) ATL has made an offer, probably fair and 2) if they fall out of the playoffs and he still hasn't signed he WILL BE traded and 3) if he moves on, the Caps are an obvious destination since we have his buddy.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:04 PM |

I agree on all points here, except maybe the 3rd one. He'd take a cut to play here, while he could make good money somewhere else. Also, newbiecapsfan07 brings up a good point about contract length. Kovy probably does not want a 1-year deal. Then again, he could do what Hossa tried to do and sign a 1-year'r before the long-term.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

And Hossa is a great example of another way this could all turn out...

He took quite a paycut to try to win a Cup. Granted, he still made 7 mil last year, but the Pens and two other teams had long-term deals in the 8s. (How glad are the Pens that Hossa shafted them? Kinda like how EDM fans should be glad Nylander (or agent) shafted them).

Kovy could very well want to do a 1-year next year for a shot at a Cup, and then float the rest of his career on a lofty long-term deal.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes I think we armchair GMs analyze as if the Caps were our fantasy league.


Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 2:59 PM |

newbie: It's called the "hot stove" and it's in all sports. And it isn't just us fans. MacKenzie and the other guys at HNIC do a hot stove segment between the 1st and 2nd periods. It's human nature to contemplate "what if." They even mentioned on Versus that Forsberg was likely coming back, listing the caps as one of three possible destinations.

OK, as fans, that leads us to ask, "Wow! What gives with that? How could we sign him?"

Well, first and foremost, you need to settle the "Nylander issue." And that begs the question, would you want Forsberg on the Caps for this year's Cup run?

This isn't us fans doing fantasy speculation, these are national announcers. And since they brought it up, it's reasonable to speculate.

As for Forsberg, maybe some of those posters who follow the Swedish League could offer an opinion. I have an opinion on Kovalchuk, but not Forsberg.

And it isn't often that you will find me not having an opinion on something. The Good Lord gave me a big mouth and the energy to use it.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

And I am definetely a Caps fan first and a Kings fan second, but if Nylander gets picked up by the Kings, I swear to god! I can't get away from him!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

As for Forsberg, maybe some of those posters who follow the Swedish League could offer an opinion. I have an opinion on Kovalchuk, but not Forsberg.

And it isn't often that you will find me not having an opinion on something. The Good Lord gave me a big mouth and the energy to use it.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:18 PM |

If he can skate, he would be a tremendous boost to any team's PP. He better want 500K though.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

i believe forsberg is more fragile than semin at this point. forsberg for league minimum might be worth the risk

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Agree with you richmondphil that pretty much any GM would know what he's getting with Kovy, but I do remember that at the time Hossa's 1-year contract was very controversial, that it was a huge risk for him, even if it has worked out for him this season. I think the negotiations with Kovy with any GM would be as much about length as cash.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Man I love this board. As much as I agree with all points RE: Kovalchuk, it seems a little bit silly to speculate on this before next Summer :-P

Posted by: Raber | November 8, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: Well, I haven't done the long-term ramifications, but I gotta think if you moved Semin and Poti for Kovy (sorry to those posters who hate any and all trade speculation) that it works for certain on the cap this year and next. Let's just say Kovy would take a long-term deal like 11 yrs/$82.5M with the back two years at lower pay. Let's just say. Anyway, that's Lecavilier money so nothing to sneeze at and it ties him with Ovie and yes, you don't do it unless you get Ovie concurrence.

That's $7.5M/yr and isn't really much more than what Semin might want (based on speculation).

For the year after next, Clark comes off and you replace him with an entry-level deal. What happens after that is anyone's guess. Someone posted that the world comes to an end anyway Dec 12th 2012 or thereabouts.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I don't see why ATL would make that trade.

Unless you mean that's how it all works out and not a straight up trade with ATL.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@FCKoeln1:

I had iced tea during last night's game. I had a few cold beers at the beach earlier in the day, so no wine for the evening.

I'll start thinking about what to do for Wed night's game.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1--well true--I'm spouting off my opinions here too though I don't care to do an actual fantasy league. I look to others such as yourself for actual statistical analysis. I'm a words gal.

As for the commentators, yes they are just as bad as we posters and they think far more highly of themselves than we do of them. I tend to see that kind of analysis as just gossip and innuendo--like a national chat over the backyard fence.

HOWEVER--I see Fosberg as even less likely Kovy. He does have injury issues. And you posters who have argued long and hard and tirelessly about our d-man needs especially at playoffs have convinced me that we need to balance our offensive power with more consistent defense. Many of you have argued for that big name. I honestly don't see how we could afford it if we start shopping for another forward, even if he's an amazing center.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
close - the mayan calendar ends on 12/21/12 - i keep telling someone at work that some lazy mayan teenager quit because he realized that the calendar writing 'task' actually has no end

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

in the salary cap era I don't think you can build a championship team with two wingers making 8 - 9 mil/year.

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

BTW--I don't disapprove of this speculation--I participate in it too. I just find that we all get waaaaay off the point sometimes into fantasyland. But hey I'd rather do this than the laundry.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

in the salary cap era I don't think you can build a championship team with two wingers making 8 - 9 mil/year.

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 3:42 PM |

Dun! Dun! Dun!

I agree with you. By all means, i'm not saying it isn't impossible, but it seems a bit strange to me to have 23+ mil on one line. (Ovie at 10, Backs at a modest 6, and Kovy at a modest 7)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Let's say it is Feb 28th and Atlanta is out of the race. Let's say. OK, they are fielding offers for Kovy. Suppose we offered what I put much earlier - Semin, Poti and a #2 pick.

They know with Semin he might sign elsewhere as RFA and they get four more picks or they could move him for several prospects.

Is that deal "not in the ballpark" for a soon-to-be-UFA Kovy? Is it in the ballpark but not as good as someone else would offer? Isn't Semin better than about 95% of the players who move in the deadline deals for upcoming UFAs?

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

oops amazing left winger that is.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Phil: Let's say it is Feb 28th and Atlanta is out of the race. Let's say. OK, they are fielding offers for Kovy. Suppose we offered what I put much earlier - Semin, Poti and a #2 pick.

They know with Semin he might sign elsewhere as RFA and they get four more picks or they could move him for several prospects.

Is that deal "not in the ballpark" for a soon-to-be-UFA Kovy? Is it in the ballpark but not as good as someone else would offer? Isn't Semin better than about 95% of the players who move in the deadline deals for upcoming UFAs?

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:49 PM

I guess value wise it seems even, but why does ATL, who is already blue-line heavy, need Poti? They don't. As far as them wanting Semin...why would they essentially downgrade their star winger for...what? Tom Poti and a pick? Kovy has the much better chance of signing to ATL than Semin ever would.

The trade just doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

in the salary cap era I don't think you can build a championship team with two wingers making 8 - 9 mil/year.

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 3:42 PM

Their names were Malkin and Crosby.

To be technical, Malkin was still working on the third year of his entry-level deal. But, joek443, are you saying the Pens can't repeat during the next five years?

I think the Pens have about as good a shot as anyone this year with Malkin and Crosby making that much.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

When are trades made? Is that when the big moves for playoffs are made? I'm a baby armchair GM so be patient.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Their names were Malkin and Crosby.

To be technical, Malkin was still working on the third year of his entry-level deal. But, joek443, are you saying the Pens can't repeat during the next five years?

I think the Pens have about as good a shot as anyone this year with Malkin and Crosby making that much.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 3:55 PM |

Neither of them are wingers though. And although it may seem trivial, the difference in position makes all that much of a difference.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
GMGM would rather make no move - than one in which he thinks he isn't getting the better of the deal. i believe any other GM who thinks that GMGM is 'peddling' a player - would be very wary of making that deal.
i'm not conviced that the caps need any more 'star' players. they need to keep a balance of 'hard' workers too.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

OK, joek443, you DID say "wingers."

BUT, Ovie, Kovy and BMo as an example would be great. What about Ovie-Perreault-Kovy maybe? Or maybe that young Swedish center? Centers we got...

Yes, perhaps I get carried away with this sometimes. If you all forgive me, then thank you.

Phil is right, doubtful they'd take Poti. I was just trying to make the cap fit.

Would they take Semin and Fleischmann? (That would work if Nyles moves first.)

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

When are trades made? Is that when the big moves for playoffs are made? I'm a baby armchair GM so be patient.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 3:57 PM |

Don't know if this is sarcasm or not, but trades can happen anytime up til the deadline. You see a bunch of activity the day of the deadline. It's sort of like draft day, when all of us hockey nerds get online and hit our refresh buttons, haha!

Two important days to remember though for trades; Deadline and Draft day. Two of the funner days of the year, to be honest.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Would they take Semin and Fleischmann? (That would work if Nyles moves first.)

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 4:01 PM |

Ouch...that seems a bit more do-able, but do we want to give up Flash? I guess if Kovy is coming in, then the answer would be yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

i'm not conviced that the caps need any more 'star' players. they need to keep a balance of 'hard' workers too.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009

Kirk, you are correct, except this started on speculation that one of our stars (Semin) might not be staying, so the idea was to replace a star with a star.

I have beaten this dead horse quite enough.

Speaking of "hard" workers, it WAS truly great to see all those hard workers denting the twine last night. As people have pointed out, the Pens won the Cup in large part to contributions from their third and fourth liners. Maybe Ovie being out a few games can be a blessing.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Phil: If you said "Ouch," then it might work for both sides.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil--no I'm not being sarcastic. I just didn't really pay any attention to this side of the game until I started reading this message board. Yeah I got the draft day down--no problem. But there was a lot of discussion about moves teams made just before playoffs and how we didn't have the cap room to get a d-man. Indeed if I remember correctly we made no moves at the trade deadline. I found the trade discussion--when and how and why--a little vague back then and now I know why--it can happen anytime up until deadline. Thank you for responding. Got it now.

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Well, I don't think it's any secret that I am a huge Flash fan. When people call for him to be traded, I say "why not Fehr instead?"

Looks like it's becoming harder and harder to lump Fehr and Flash together now, with Flash breaking into his own mold.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't see Kovy working out for us. If he gets traded, ATL would have to get a ton in return. The only team I see at the moment with the ability to do that would be Boston with all those Toronto picks. And they need Kovy a whole lot more than we do. And if he goes to free agency, sure we might be an option, but the way GMGM has gone about things lately, I don't think they would go after a big name like Kovy (especially after the Jagr ordeal). I'd see a team like LA go after them in FA, because they weren't able to make the splash they tried to make last offseason (apparently they have the money too).

Posted by: Capcrazy77 | November 8, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
i hope, somehow, BB can get across to the team that this is the style of play required every night - ovi or no ovi. i think the caps led in the 'hits' department 35-30 last night. i'm too lazy to look it up - but this might be the first time they had more hits and probably the most.
even if semin were to ask for too much or even choose the KHL - i still don't think a high priced player is the way to go. i don't have any examples (except nyls - and it's not his fault) to back this up - but it seems most big names don't produce for the amount of $$ they get. outside of our d, which i admit is on the weak side, players like steckel, laing, laich, bradley and the callups provide so much more the $$ spent.
just my opinion - which, after that fact, i often find flawed.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 8, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Capcrazy77: With the team LA is building, having Kopitar and Kovy together would be formidable.

Kirk: You might be right. In the end, Semin and GM might find common ground and it's a moot point. What got me started on this was from the other night, when one poster came on here and said he/she was a relative of a currrent NHL player and insinuated inside knowledge from Semin and that, perhaps, although he wants to stay, $6M was not enough.

And then I'm thinking, well, if Gaborik is $7.5M with 200 goals, and Semin has 100 goals, and they are similar style, Semin can ask for but not reasonably expect Gaborik money.

Semin needs to score 50 this year and next to be worth Gaborik as a UFA. Right now, he's worth somehwta less, and the stick fouls aren't helping his cause.

Also, I very happily noticed the boards rattling all night last night. Always a good sign. And good thing the linesman jumped in before Matt "the human punching bag" Bradley could get hurt. He's got guts, I'll say that.

You are also right - many large UFA signings seem to fail.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Although I expect this thread discussion is slowing down, I really enjoyed reading it today--interesting discussions and no flaming. Caps fans are in a happy place after last night. May it continue!

Posted by: newbiecapsfan07 | November 8, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It seems big UFA signings seem to fail in all sports (unless you're that stupid baseball team in New York).
But if all the Caps do as far as free agents is sign guys like we did this past offseason, then I'm fine with that. I'm loving the Brendan Morrison signing more everyday.

Posted by: Capcrazy77 | November 8, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Just bought my tickets to the 13th.

Hopefully a bit of a different result than the CBJ game.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Bears playing now in Providence RI(Bruins).
Leading 2-1 midway through the 2nd period on two goals by Aucoin.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 8, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Two quick goals and now 4-1 Bears. Andrew Gordon and Oskar Osala.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 8, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

I was so glad to see Pothier getting points last night. He can carry the puck into the zone like Green, but with a little more control (Green can be careless with the puck). He has always been a smart hockey player. Green is still great with the puck, but he takes a few more chances. Great game CAPS.

Posted by: Caps4Life1 | November 8, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Ward is out for a month.

Can anyone else remember a recent time where there has been as many injured stars as there are now? Seems like the star's bodies keep piling up in this early season.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Phil: I just heard that the Canes have been downgraded to the Tropical Depressions.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFSAj6ru7xU

LOL.

Bergfors!

Posted by: richmondphil

___________________________
Very funny! Reminds me of a time when I asked my son if he was wearing the right equipment down there, and I did a similiar kind of verification!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | November 8, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Watching Hershey on atdhe.net and it is end of 2nd period. they are showing mites playing hockey between the periods and it is absolutely great to watch these kids playing.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | November 8, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Haha. Hey, maybe it'll do the team some good. Ward hasn't been good at all this year. I should know, I have him in like 4 of my fantasy leagues. Him and Vokoun are killing me. Stupid SE goalies.

Do they really only have 7 points?

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

There goes much of our secondary scoring (trading both Flash and Semin for Kovy).

Don't trade them both!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@Capsfan75

hey, I didn't suggest it! Haha.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Well gang,

Ovi will be out for 4-5 weeks. That is the "official" word from Ovi, in Puck Daddy.

So, we won't see him until mid-December at the very earliest.

At the point, the recommendation is to put both him and BG on LTIR. So now the Caps have plenty of cap space to do what even they like. We have to see how the defensemen are doing, for starters.

On getting Alzner from Hershey. We know that cap space is not the problem anymore. Since Nyls is likely gone by Monday noon(and we have less of his Cap hit) and Ovi's big salary when he's on LTIR doesn't count against us. There's only one problem. Does our management believe that he (and Carlson) are an improvement over the guys we got?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

@tess2201

Glad Hershey is doing so well today.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 5:58 PM | Report abuse

@Capsfan75

I read that Puck Daddy post as well. Think that Ovie could just be joking around, like he always does?

If not, here's the chance to prove to everyone that the Caps are not a one-man team. We all know it, but fans of other teams seem to point out our perceived lack of scoring depth (read; Minus Ovie) more than anything else. Lets prove them wrong boys!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Your boy, Flash, has now earned his way to the top line. While I do like Flash, I like Semin better but I'm so happy for Flash. (I like Fehr also.)

Essentially, on the Caps, my top favorites are Ovi and Semin (order different on different days). After that, it's Flash and Fehr. Then, probably Knuble, Varlamov, Clark, and Laich. I consider Knuble as my birthday present for the year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Well that is bad news about Ovie. Glad that we are hearing it after last night's game. At least it gives the team more time to develop without relying on our not so secret weapon. That video of him skating at practice with him arm tucked close to his body did give me pause. Glad that they are giving him time to heal.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 8, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

gee how come those guys get that kinda scoop and the local guys dont?? LOL

Posted by: joek443 | November 8, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Have to check Puck Daddy out--given Ovie's dry wit he could be kidding, then again maybe not. He's got a great game face.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 8, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

My favorite Cap is easily Backstrom. One of the most under-rated players in the league.

He's probably the only Cap in my top 10 favorite current NHL players.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 8, 2009 6:15 PM | Report abuse

Now 5-1 Bears with 14.6 sec to go. Bouchard just scored

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | November 8, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

tess, great game by the bears

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | November 8, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I read Puck Daddy as well. I took it that Ovi was joking around.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 8, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

@realoldcapsfan: what I love about this Bears team is that it's different guys getting it done each night.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 8, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

I consider Knuble as my birthday present for the year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 6:03 PM

CapsFan75: I'm not so sure Mrs. Knuble will go along with that.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 8, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl

Mrs. Knuble doesn't have to worry about me as a threat to her. (No, I don't plan to steal her husband away.)

I'm already happily married. (My husband does share an astrological sign with Knuble, as do I.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

tess the ahl experience is just fun. bears are going to be great again this year as well i truly believe

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | November 8, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

Here was my "crazy" line suggestion after the NJ game. I was sort of hoping to see it this weekend.

We would arrange our currently active top 6 forwards in the following manner.

We'd have the Good Boy Line as the first line: That would consist of Laich/Backstrom/Fleischmann

We'd have the Bad Boy Line as the second line: That would be Semin/Morrison/Knuble.

(I dubbed them the Bad Boys due to their propensity for getting penalties.)

Reasons: Morrison and Knuble are great together for starters. Both these lines have a good skill mix: a sniper winger, a net crashing winger, and a center.

I had hoped Bruce would use that combination but had assumed the KLM line would be left intact even as Bruce shuffled the lines in Period 3.) I was actually expecting a switcheroo of Fehr with Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 8, 2009 6:45 PM | Report abuse

Man. The Carolina Hurricanes' problems just keep getting worse.

Now Cam Ward is out for 3-4 weeks due to a cut on his leg from an errant skate.

Columbus Blue Jackets' Rick Nash was the skater involved.

Posted by: irockthered | November 8, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

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