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Caps acquire tough guy D.J. King from St. Louis [updated]

The Caps added some toughness to their lineup this afternoon, acquiring rugged right wing D.J. King from St. Louis in exchange for prospect Stefan Della Rovere.

The Caps have yet to confirm the deal.

The 26-year-old King signed a two-year extension with the Blues prior to being traded.

King, who played only 12 games with the Blues last season because of injury, will be the Caps' first enforcer since veteran tough guy Donald Brashear departed the organization via free agency last summer. In those 12 games, he fought five times.

King, a 6 foot 3, 230-pound native of Meadow Lake, Saskatchewan, has appeared in only 13 games the past two seasons. Two seasons ago, he suffered a shoulder injury in his first contest of the season and needed season-ending surgery, and last season he broke his hand in a fight with the Stars' Krys Barch, also in his first game of the season.

King was St. Louis' sixth-round draft pick in 2002. He's appeared in 101 NHL games, netting four goals, nine points and racking up 185 penalty minutes.

Della Rovere, meantime, is an agitator the Caps drafted in seventh round in 2008. He has represented Canada internationally, and earlier this month, fought fellow prospect Trevor Bruess at the Caps' summer development camp.

Update: The Caps have confirmed the trade. Also, King's new contract will pay him $625,000 next season and $650,000 in 2011-12 on a one-way deal, so he's bound for Washington.

Update: King on his role in Washington: "Obviously my role is to stick up for my teammates. But I also [hope to be] more than just that, is what the [Capitals] want. And that's what I expect out of myself. I always come to the rink every day trying to get better. Because the game is not just about fighting no more. You have to get in there on the forecheck and be a physical presence. They see me as someone who can play the game and be a force out there, not only by dropping the gloves."

When told what Pittsburgh's Max Talbot had to say about Alex Ovechkin yesterday, King shot back, "Wow. I guess that's not going to be happening too much longer, I guess."

Sounds like he's going to be a good quote.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 28, 2010; 5:24 PM ET
 
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Comments

If true I'm not sure I like this deal. Della Rovere to me has a higher ceiling then an enforcer who can't make the lineup.

Posted by: caps512 | July 28, 2010 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Somebody tell me something about this guy!

Gonna need a full report!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 28, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

what happened here? GMGM has said since the start of last year that they didn't need a tough guy... hope he has finally realized that the team is too soft for the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | July 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I have to say that I'm not crazy about the addition. I think the game has changed a lot since the lock out and a pure fighter doesn't really fit into today's game. I see a roster spot and valuable cap space being taken by a guy who's probably going to suit up for 20 to 25 games. I do see the need to have a guy to keep other teams from taking runs at our top players.

Posted by: thomas20 | July 28, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

From The Hockey News:

ASSETS: Has outstanding pugilistic skills, and is always willing to stick up for his teammates. Can intimidate defenders in the corners.

FLAWS: Must work on all aspects of his game in order to see a regular ice time at the NHL level. Has a tendency to take bad penalties.

CAREER POTENTIAL: Enforcer.

Posted by: thomas20 | July 28, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: grahamdumas | July 28, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

The Caps didn't make this reaction just because other teams got enforcers and the Caps want Brash back just not anywhere near what he got from NY, which forced them to send him to the minors to hide his cap hit. The Caps position has been unless the enforcer can play hockey with some ability like a Carcillo type player there is no reason to pay for that position. The Caps felt paying a play $1.4 million to fight was a waste of cap space and with guys like Brash and Laraque making around that much and spending most of the season in the minors seems to show other teams are starting to figure out it is a waste of cap space too. NY is repeating their mistake with Boogaard who hasn't even scored a goal since 05-06. He will be back in the minors or have his contract bought out in two years at the most. King will make around the league min and will be great to put in when needed and not play most games.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 28, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

That does seem to be a little excessive for an enforcer. But I guess all the people wanting an enforcer will be happy.

@wtf_e_fehr

King is known as one of the toughest tough guys in the NHL. But, as mentioned in the article, he has missed a lot of time the past two years due to injury.

Here is a website of a fight last March he had with Boogaard. He fared pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v-wptM0iHw

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I agree. King will be a 13th forward who will play in some regular season games but is unlikely to dress for the playoffs.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

@thomas20: I haven't seent what the numbers are for the contract he signed before the trade but I higly doubt it will even be $900k so he is not much more then any of the Bears guys are far as cap space goes and for the roster spot it is better to have someone like him who isn't going to develop into a better player ever sit in the press box then have a young guy do it who could be getting better by playing even if it is in the AHL.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 28, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

wow... not so sure about this one... loved SDR as a prospect! would prefer to have waited to see how he did in the AHL before trading him... if it is SDR!

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 28, 2010 6:10 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I think King will be making around $550k to $600k.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

you know whats sadly ironic -- the guy we just overpaid to get broke his hand in a fight with krys barch - a player the Caps once drafted and chose not to sign. Guess who chose not to sign him ? McPhee. Anyone remember that? prolly not.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:15 PM | Report abuse

sgm, you shouldn't be allowed to even post about enforcers. Seriously.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

From the videos I have just inhaled @youtube, looks like a legit heavyweight.

Nothing I have read yet says anything more than he is a top notch enforcer.

If thats all he brings, and the deal is straight up for SDR, this is an odd move for GMGM.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 28, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

ohn Davidson: "Hey George, wake up. I heard your only big moves of the offseason was signing Gordo and Flash. I have a trade for you. I'd like to trade our 4th line gritty and injured prospect for your younger 3rd line healthy prospect. Interested?

McPhee: man that sounds like one good deal! Even better than my trade last yr where I dumped one decent dman and a power forward prospect for Corvo.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

I have a feeling this move means they are planning on moving Erskine.

Posted by: large23220 | July 28, 2010 6:17 PM | Report abuse

i love how in the same offseason that everyone else muscles up in the East, and right after McPhee publicly states his team does not need an enforcer anymore (which he did last offseason), you still have some Cap fans pretending that this move had nothing to do with other teams adding heavies to their lineup. sounds plausible to me.

and only the Caps could figure out how to acquire toughness by giving away toughness. it is pretty funny

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

"Nothing I have read yet says anything more than he is a top notch enforcer.

If thats all he brings, and the deal is straight up for SDR, this is an odd move for GMGM."

how many fights into this yr will DJ's shoulder pop out. That's the question. Its not a matter of "if", its a matter of "when"

This was another example of GM overpaying for a commodity who carries significant risk. And in the process depleting a rare resource for the Caps which is a young prospect who could actually play on a higher line than the 4th line and still bring some Avery-type qualities. King is a north-south banger who has guts and some fighting ability. If we picked him up for free or cheap, good deal even with his injury history. To give up SDR? dumb as dumb gets.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm with cstanton1... I HATE the Capitals.

Posted by: large23220 | July 28, 2010 6:22 PM | Report abuse

some thoughts from Blues fans on their message boards:
(to be fair there were just as many folks happy to get rid of King)
luesnut said on: July 28, 2010, 4:28 pm
I think this is a big mistake. Yes, there are health concerns, but there's no way that Janssen is as good as King, whether you're talking hockey skills or 'enforcer' skills.

Janssen intimidates no one and is often a loose cannon. King at least has a reputation that makes the Janssens of the league take notice.

peahead said on: July 28, 2010, 4:25 pm
This is a mistake. The Blues need a nuclear deterrent, and now they are trading away their only true one.
Farewell, Kinger. Thanks for the memories.

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | July 28, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

One way deal.

Who gets bumped?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 28, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

to trade for any player who has had a serious shoulder injury (among other injuries) is a risk. To trade for a player with that kind of injury history AND give up a good prospect, AND the fact that the player's only real role is to swing his arms about in a fight thus putting more wear and tear on his shoulder...well thats just nuts. They didn't learn from the Stephen Peat experience? Poor DJ will have to fight a slew of heavies this yr and he'll get hurt at some point. And it won't be from taking a punch. He'll land on that shoulder on the ice, or he'll pull it out of joint when he's wrestling around, or he'll rebreak his hand. He's damaged goods. And therefore was not worth more than a late round pick. Except when you're the Caps and you have no idea what these types of players are worth.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97

I agree. King will be a 13th forward who will play in some regular season games but is unlikely to dress for the playoffs.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 6:08 PM | Report abuse

awesome. Lookin fwd to King getting into 30 games this yr and 12 token scripted fights. Should add a lot. Way better upside than SDR of course.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:29 PM | Report abuse

if GMGM felt we needed an enforcer so be it, Bradley doesn't intimidate anyone...not about to throw a hissy fit like stanton over losing SDR

Posted by: DnicefromHtown | July 28, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

end of rant

Adding King to this lineup is like the Wings adding Brad May to their lineup. Fishies out of water. These players by themselves don't really fit onto their respective teams because the teams play a very different style. There's no team toughness concept so these types of players look like wingnuts out there. Everyone looks to them to have their token fight and their token 3 or 4 shifts. They don't fit in with the team's chemistry or style.

trading away a healthy younger cheaper 3rd liner for a banged up 4th/5th liner. Hysterical!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I was excited about Della Rovere. He looked like a kid with some potential to play a role like we haven't had since Matt Cooke's flyby.

But seriously, I'm over the Caps-bashing.

I can hardly stand coming on this blog anymore.

Posted by: large23220 | July 28, 2010 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"if GMGM felt we needed an enforcer so be it, Bradley doesn't intimidate anyone...not about to throw a hissy fit like stanton over losing SDR"

ok johnnycomelately. So last yr the Caps didn't need an enforcer because according to our idiot GM our players aren't intimidated. But a yr later we suddenly need one? Does that mean our players suddenly get intimidated now? If King goes down with an injury and we don't replace him (and that role), does that mean our players aren't intimidated anymore again?

and around and around we go.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

I nominate cstanton1 for Head Honcho In Cheef of the Washington Capitals.

He'd do everything the smart way, and not do anything DUMB, like those moronic PROFESSIONALS running things now.

cstanton1, are you a member of the tea party?

Posted by: large23220 | July 28, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

btw, to the constant GM apologists and you know who you are, I'm going to prove to you what a bad deal this is. If I posted on this board earlier today the following scenario:

Hey fella cap fans, what do you think about this trade suggestion? There's a guy on the Blues (who most of you have never heard of) who scored exactly zero goals the past 2 nhl seasons, only played 13 NHL games for a bad team, and suffered two major injuries to his hand and shoulder. What would you say about the Caps giving up SDR to go get that kind of guy?


anyone who says they'd be in favor of this deal prior to McPhee pulling the trigger, is a baldfaced liar. The responses would range from laughter to scorn.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so King is a LW. Does he play on the 3rd line or the 4th line, and who does he play with? Are the LWs on the Caps: Ovi, Semin, Chimera and King? Will Laich play RW, C or LW?

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 28, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

the blog is fine - its just one dude who keeps trying to show everyone how smart he is - earlier today his panties were in a wad over this team not being tough enough, we add a heavyweight later in the day for a prospect with less than 50% chance to crack this caps roster and he just goes back to crying

Posted by: DnicefromHtown | July 28, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

He'd do everything the smart way, and not do anything DUMB, like those moronic PROFESSIONALS running things now.

----------------------------

its really not hard to out-think the Caps brain trust. I don't consider it an achievement of any sort. Seriously.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

"we add a heavyweight later in the day for a prospect with less than 50% chance to crack this caps roster and he just goes back to crying"

that's funny dnice (or is this yet another regular blogger who posts under a new name). I'd give DJ about a 50% chance of cracking our roster this yr. And about a 20% chance of lasting the season without getting hurt. Keep trying.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:43 PM | Report abuse

When told what Pittsburgh's Max Talbot had to say about Alex Ovechkin yesterday, King shot back, "Wow. I guess that's not going to be happening too much longer, I guess."

KICK HIS ASS, SEA BASS!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 28, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

King is not gonna make or break our season, so stop crying

Posted by: DnicefromHtown | July 28, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

The blog is not fine. Chief used to suck, and that used to seem like a drag, but now those seem like the good old days of CI.

This cstanton just totally dominates the thing all day long everyday.

A bunch of my friends prefer Japers, but I can't get into it. I just prefer Tarik et al's writing.

I just avoid the comments anymore.

Posted by: large23220 | July 28, 2010 6:49 PM | Report abuse

@DnicefromHtown

You said it perfectly.

I like how cstanton1 is the medical expert now. It means nothing that who King broke his hand hitting. Broken bones heal.

King played at the end of last season and was fine. He fought Boogaard pretty well in March and played and fought in April. That means his hand is fine.

I'm sure the Caps have doctors that checked out his records. Not all shoulder are career threatening. Shoulders heal too.

From listening to cstanton it sounds like King is on his deathbed.

It will be interesting to see if King can actually play as a full time 4th liner or if he is only an enforcer. Having a $625k 4th line LW is a good price for that. Now we have to see if he can play that role.

It will also be interesting to see what happens with SDR.

The other intersting question is, as wtf_e_fehr stated, who gets bumped?

I'd have to think another deal is happening.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
you have been in rare form the last couple of days
i scratch my head sometimes wondering why you even bother following the team. with your position, i could understand checking in here every so often to see if BB or GMGM have been fired.

there is very little about the caps that you seem to enjoy

gmgm/bb aside - what do you see that you like or at least look forward to seeing?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 28, 2010 7:05 PM | Report abuse

Yea they did real well in the playoffs without any toughness. 2009-1010 Caps would sweep the Dave Schultz Broad Street Bullies.

Posted by: rockbroker | July 28, 2010 7:11 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 28, 2010 7:17 PM | Report abuse

To be fair to GMGM when talking about not needing an enforcer last year it was when talking about Brash and his 1.4M contract and he was more pointing out that players who only fight are not needed if they are going to take Cap space away from the team. The just over $630k cap hit is actually less then a lot of the possible Bears call ups. And critizing a guy who may not have scored in two years but having that only be 13 games is a bit much. He had 3 goals in 07-08 which is not much but is more then Boogaard has in his entire career on 255 games and we aren't paying King $1.6M in cap space the next 4 years. Stefan Della Rovere has only played two games outside of juniors and for an enforcer/power forward it takes a few years to get used to not being the biggest guy anymore. I watched him at camp and he looked like he was hitting everything that moved but didn't take guys off the puck when he did hit them. They just brushed him off. No way would he have made the roster this season because the team wouldn't have had enough games for him in the NHL to stunt his development sitting in the press box. He also has had a real tendency to be a loose cannon at times which is not what we need more stupid penalities. cstanton stop making it seem like the Caps traded away the next Backstrom for King. At best we traded away the next Matt Bradley.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 28, 2010 7:18 PM | Report abuse

I call this the "Max Talbot Deal." One quote outta Maxie Pad, and we trade for a tough guy.

You can plug him in as the 13th or 14th forward and the 23rd player. Cap space now with 23 roster players is roughly $3.5M with Alzner bonus accounted for.

tombackinFl1 on travel

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 28, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

Oh snap. Maxxy Pad. Awesome.

Posted by: large23220 | July 28, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey, it was painful last year to watch guys like Bradley take on legit NHL tough guys and skate away leaking all over the ice.

...so I welcome this guy, and look forward to the CARNAGE he might bring!!!!


HAHAHAHAHAHA....AHHHHH HAHAHAHAHA!!!

...ok, I'm back....what were we talking about?

DOWN WITH CSTANTON!

lol

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 28, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

I think move is ok, not good or bad. He'll just be the guy who fights Koci after he smokes green from behind, or drops the gloves in a pittsburgh game so guys like Knuble or Chimera don't have to, or save Bradley's face from exploding with blood. And like someone else said, this could have something to do with Erskine being moved.

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | July 28, 2010 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Love how D.J. King just shut up Talbot!

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 28, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

I do not think SDR had a chance of playing for the Caps for a number of years. He was a nice prospect playing in the ECHL. I am not sure he could have made the Bears.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | July 28, 2010 7:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to see the Caps add another tough guy as well. Maybe Asham or someone similar. Trade some soft player like Fleischmann to make room.

Posted by: alanb1 | July 28, 2010 7:57 PM | Report abuse

I found myself wishing for an enforcer about a dozen times this past season. Yay.

Posted by: tgerbracht | July 28, 2010 8:05 PM | Report abuse

I think the deal is high risk. King has been injured. If he stays healthy, then great, we need an enforcer. If he gets hurt, then a prospect is given up for nothing.

As for Cstanton, as long as I can remember reading your comments, you are one angry ate-up dude. I am going to give you some advice (even though you are all-knowing). You either need to move to California (medical marijuana) or get laid. Wait...do both. You used to have credibility, but now I am just going to skip your comments. Not worth reading.

Posted by: jackstraaw | July 28, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I'll be cheering for the Caps for better or worse this year, but this one is a head scratcher. I guess it is a response to other teams in the East loading up with tough guys, creating an increased need for someone to stick up for the Caps' skill guys. But King has established a track record of being unable to stay on the ice due to injuries. SDR is still a kid, but you would have to project him out as being equivalent to an Avery or a Cooke, wouldn't you? It seems like the Caps should have been able to pick up someone equivalent to King off the scrap heap, and they should have been able to get more for SDR if he didn't fit into their plans.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 8:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't really see it as that big of a risk. SDR was a mild prospect at best who wasn't going to play for the Caps this year and possibly was never going to play for the Caps. Even if King does get hurt then all we did was take away a 3rd liner from the Bears.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 28, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we have the second coming of Chris Simon?

I read that he is playing in the KHL...WOW!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 28, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

To begin with I have only gotten things signed by Ovie, Bondra and Brash, so I do like a guy that'll drop the gloves as well as somebody that puts the biscuit in the basket. But you can't start an entry about somebody calling them "rugged" then spend most of the time explaining how he missed most of the last few seasons for injuries. Hopefully this works out and we get to see him punish some Philly guys.

Posted by: TheCapitalist1 | July 28, 2010 8:49 PM | Report abuse

I guess Caps management must have seen something in SDR at the recent prospects camp that they really didn't like.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 8:56 PM | Report abuse

The only thing about this deal that I really don't get is that Arron Asham is a UFA and could have been picked up for nothing. The cap hit might not have worked though.

At this point, I don't necessarily get it, but I haven't heard or seen enough of DJ King to decide if he's worth the price we paid. JP from Japer's mentioned that some of the Cap's brass and/or others have lost confidence in SDR, and think that he may not ever be any better than an AHL player. It'll be an interesting situation to watch.

I do know that a broken bone isn't a big deal, and that one shoulder injury doesn't a chronic problem make (EF16 anyone?). Either way, it's not going to make or break the team, and the kid may have something to add to the team that Delly didn't.

Posted by: ChaosRogue | July 28, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Two strange moves by GMGM today. Signing Flush is a total waste of $2.6 mil, but I suspect he might be trade bait at that price -- if there is another GM around stupid enough to take him. As for King, having an enforcer in your tool box isn't a bad thing - there are still lots of goons around the league who may think twice about taking on Semin and Ovechkin with a guy like that around. Whoever said it was right -- this is part of a plan and GMGM probably isn't done yet.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | July 28, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Brains over brawn-that might work for you
But what's a Canadian farm boy to do?

Posted by: livinit2 | July 28, 2010 9:12 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit, I was kinda hoping that SDR and Finley would make the Bears roster. That would have made for some interesting evenings up in PA.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

When I first saw the deal I figured King would go to Hershey but looking at the contract I guess he will be the 13th F. I dont really mind giving up SDR, although I thought he had potential. The only thing I dont understand is why as an organization they went from the belief of not needing an enforcer to needing one. The deal is fine with me, just an odd one.

I was hoping Andrew Gordon was going to be the 12th or 13th F but now it doesnt look like it. With all this being said, I still think there is at least one and probably 2 more trades we will see before training camp. And odds are they will be good deals for us, maybe not the best ones but good ones.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

@ large23220

I usually hang out at Japers' now but I like to pop over to read what Tarik and others have written and to support CI. But like you I usually skip or skim over the commentary section.

The blog has gone downhill since it became the "cstanton1 blog." The guy is one of the most depressive posters who has lost credibility with his inability to say anything positive. And today is no exception.

Ironically, I stopped by now because I thought many posters here including cstanton1 would be pleased that the Caps have finally gotten an enforcer. Moreover they actually traded an asset, one that was probably not going to see much Hershey ice time, much less NHL ice. I was quite surprised by the amount of negativity.

Seems as if the grass is always greener on the other side.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 28, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

I loved SDR as well, but he really must have regressed...BB never had much to say about him in this year's development camp after being the story of last year's. You are giving away an AHL 3/4 liner who is years from the NHL for a legit heavyweight NHL enforcer. I like this - it is now and here baby, this year. We are LOADED with prospects, and at some point you start to unload them for strategic role players. I hated all of GMGM's deadline moves, but I love this one.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 28, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

SDR will never be an Avery. He's not that talented--maybe just as annoying--but he does not have Avery's skill.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 28, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

Maxie Pad Talbot--worth the stop by. Keep up the good work tominsocal1. You made me laugh. What a putz he is.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 28, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Welcome aboard King of DC. I'll have to read up on him and see if he's got any hockey skills.

On a side note. An innovation from the KHL that I'd love to see the NHL adopt.

"According to the new KHL CBA, players get 70 percent of their contracts paid for the regular season, and the other 30% subject to club's playoff performance."

So, don't make the playoff and don't get 30% of your salary. Go out in the first round and 22.5%. Granted 99.99% of NHLers play all out in the playoffs, but that 0.01 know who they are. I just like this concept. It would screw with salary caps, but I don't like the salary cap anyway. I'ts done nothing. No premier talent has gone to a small market.

Posted by: lornemyoung | July 28, 2010 10:14 PM | Report abuse

@Exile_in_Philly why exactally was Flash a waste of $2.6m? I know he had bad showings the last two years in the playoffs but so did Knuble for most of his career and no one seemed upset when we got him and he did very well last year for us. In fact the 6 points he had was the 2nd most he has ever had and the best year was 7 points in 12 games. Look at some of the other mid-range type guys who have gone for much more. Ponikarovsky had 1 goal and 4 assists playing on a line with Crosby or Malkin most of the playoffs until he got benched by a team that has no good wingers. He got $3.2M and he is 30 and at the peak of his career at best if not trending down. I don't think Flash is a total lost cause. In the AHL he was a very strong playoff player in both 06 and 07. I think that if you give Flash the season to get used to playing Center he will have a much better playoffs this summer on a line with Semin and Fehr or Laich.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 28, 2010 10:24 PM | Report abuse

Della Rovere has played exactly 0 NHL games and may not ever play any NHL games. He has played 2 AHL games. Hockeys Future projects him as a journeyman 3rd liner.
Easily replaceable. King fills a need.

I think this is a good deal. I trust GMGM.

Posted by: lornemyoung | July 28, 2010 10:34 PM | Report abuse

lornemyoung. Even if no top talent has gone to a small market from a larger market teams like the Hawks have had to give up many role players in order to keep their top guys. Also guys like Rick Nash would have never stayed in Columbus if there was no cap and other teams could have spent big money of them without losing one of their own. Would Phoenix have had any money to get to the playoffs if their players could have signed for the same money with other teams without them having to worry about the cap hit? Kovy would have been able to sign with the Rangers or Detroit because they could afford to give him $15m a season at least. The cap may not send top players to small markets but it does give them the chance to compete with solid players throughout the lineup without having to lose money.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 28, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

And that's the sound of Matt Bradley breathing a sigh of relief. Good move, GMGM! I didn't know about King until this trade, but after watching Youtube clips and reading about him, he definitely fills a need. The Caps probably could have gotten more for SDR, but they probably didn't have him in their future plans. This trade is better than letting him waste away in Hershey or SC. Now, if GMGM could get two more King-lite players with more skill to play regular shifts, the Caps would be in good shape.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 10:40 PM | Report abuse

As much as I didn't like seeing Della Rovere's name as the return for DJ King. I think Della Rovere became expendable with the emergence the last couple years of Steve Pinnizotto, who has more under his belt with the Bears and could be Matt Bradley's replacement in 2011-2012.

Posted by: BBDwrestling | July 28, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

The thing about King is that he is 26 and hasn't played too much the past 2 years because of injury.

He played the last month of last season and got into multiple fights, so the hand is nothing to worry about and the shoulder is a 2 year old injury that doesn't sound to worrisome either.

But since he is 26 and has only played in 101 NHL games, I'm curius to see if he can not only be an enforcer but a solid checking 4th line winger.

I do not know enough about him but from the interview it sounds like that is something the Caps will want him to do. Usually when enforcer types come to the NHL at first all they are are enforcers. But then they sometimes develop the other parts of their game to develop into a solid 4th line player.

I'm interested to see what this guy has.

SDR, was a decent prospect, but if you look at where he ranked on the Caps list of prospects at forward, combined with his age, experience and the Caps depth of talent at wing in the NHL. He wasn't going to have a decent chance at cracking the roster until 2012-2013.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 10:47 PM | Report abuse

This is where you miss Donald Brashear. Everybody was so polite when he was with Caps. I think GMGM needs to bring another enforcer just for insurance.

Posted by: CodePoetry | July 27, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

CodePoetry - you are a big winner with that insightful comment posted yesterday. I guess McPhee agreed and got King for SDR. Nice call!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | July 28, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

But since he is 26 and has only played in 101 NHL games, I'm curius to see if he can not only be an enforcer but a solid checking 4th line winger.

That's been the problem with this Caps team. Why try to make the guy more than he is? Look at what happened when they tried to turn Belanger into a 2C or Schultz into a 2D. Let the guy play 5 minutes against the Flyers, Rangers, Lightning, and make him a healthy scratch when he isn't needed. GMGM needs to find a player who is already a tough 4th liner.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 10:57 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70

Many enforcers can turn into a solid checking line winger. All this means is that he would dress more often. He would still play 4th line minutes and fight whenever needed to(4th liners fighting is fine), but when he isn't fighitng the goal would be to get him so he can be effective forechecking(maybe creating a momentum shift and just hitting the opposing defenders) and play solid defense.

I don't think that is turning a guy into more than he is, it is just improving upon his talents(size and being physical). He has only played 101 games. Why tell a player to stop improving at that point?

If he can't do it, then he will just be a 13th forward who plays in 30 or 40 games a year. Which is fine.

But if he is able to be a solid 4th liner then he could play in all games and even in the playoffs.

I'm not saying he needs to be this, but it would be nice. And since he has played in only 101 NHL games(missing most of the last 2 season due to injury), my guess is that he hasn't reached his peak yet.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:23 PM | Report abuse

At least the Caps didn't spend $1.6M on Boogaard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v-wptM0iHw

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:26 PM | Report abuse

This move addresses absolutely NO need for the Caps. Since when has McPee ever said adding an enforcer is a priority for the Caps? O can't think of anyone who said that was a dire need. Pathetic

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

More pathetic is all the whiney comments about max talbot. Caps fans are prone to ridiculous levels of homerism when it comes to ovie. Who's to say max isn't right?

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

defeatists - pathetic

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 28, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

I liked Della Rovere. He was smallish but the team needs an agitator more than an enforcer. I dont understand this move.

The team needs people who will hit cleanly not an enforcer.

Posted by: cirrus_nine | July 29, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

I liked SDR as an intriguing future to watch but I felt that way about Chris Bourque as well. Caps fans claim to be impatient for playoff success and yet many complain about trading a guy who is several years away, at best, from playing in the phone booth. This is a minimal cap hit for a guy who can be inserted in the lineup when toughness is needed and not issued a uniform when it is not. Everyone seems to want this big move by the Caps but it's the little ones that will round out the team already populated with front-line talent. At the worst, King doesn't pan out and SDR plays in the NHL 3-4 years from now. At best, Talbot begs to sit in the booth with Eddie Olczyk during the Winter Classic.

Posted by: McKinley2 | July 29, 2010 12:19 AM | Report abuse

I don't get it, when we lose Brash sheeps were cheering.
Then we get this guy, peeps are crying.
See nutless below.


This move addresses absolutely NO need for the Caps. Since when has McPee ever said adding an enforcer is a priority for the Caps? O can't think of anyone who said that was a dire need. Pathetic
Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:29 PM |

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 29, 2010 12:38 AM | Report abuse

More pathetic is all the whiney comments about max talbot. Caps fans are prone to ridiculous levels of homerism when it comes to ovie. Who's to say max isn't right?

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:45 PM |

& what do you call yourself nutless?
Whiney b! tc#?
Stop your love for figure skating.

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 29, 2010 12:40 AM | Report abuse

I'm not surprised they picked up an enforcer but am a bit surprised they got a guy with a one-way contract, and a player who's had some injury issues the past couple of seasons. If you're an enforcer it's not great to have shoulder problems, which can limit your ability to hit, and hand problems, which can limit your ability to fight. When I heard they picked him up I assumed he had a two-way contract because they don't have any shortage of forwards and don't need an enforcer in every game.

Posted by: Stu_c | July 29, 2010 12:51 AM | Report abuse

doughless = cstanton1 - hockey knowledge.

Would like to hear cstanton answer the blogger's question about what he LIKES about the Caps.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 29, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

This is great. SDR was Yet Another Third Line Player (YATLP), and losing him reduces our strategic stockpile of YATLPs to 352. King, on the other hand - I'm glad to see him here. I think the brawler in McPhee won out in this decision over the "We don't need an enforcer" McPhee.

Can't wait to hear Maxipad's next quote.....

Posted by: EricinReston | July 29, 2010 6:31 AM | Report abuse

It's funny how the posters that continually trash the Capitals are willing to trade Semin because you have to give some to get some and the time to make a move is now. However an undersized player like SDR is moved for a bigger ROLE player and it is a dumb move? I just don't get it. Eeoyres in here need to give it a break already. It's tiresome and predictable complaining.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 29, 2010 7:41 AM | Report abuse

I am not a McPhee fan, but I like this move. They must believe that SDR will never be an NHLer, they may be right.

Many times last year, the Caps needed a fighter. Specifically against Tampa and Philly. Plus, this ia a good response to Talbot's comments.

McPhee better in no way be done though. This team still has holes. Now that Flash is signed, it is time for him to go.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 29, 2010 7:55 AM | Report abuse

SDR for King at 625k is fine. A little less cap space for a 2nd line center, but the Caps can trade away, release 1-2 players for cap space if need be (Erskine, Sloan top my list).
The only prospect I'll miss is Oscar Osala -- he may be a legit power forward in Carolina in a year or two. Losing him for a rental blueliner who is back in Carolina is a bust trade -- but nothing horrible.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | July 29, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

As usual, the vast majority miss the point. Enforcer? that whole concept is a joke. What the Caps need is a roster void of the Eric Fehrs, Flashs, M. Greens, B. Gordons, and all the other wusps and wimps. In short, they need a team OF MEN, and not so much tic - tac - toers. In other words, a COMPLETE OVERHAUL OF THEIR SPINELESS ROSTER. but, that's not going to happen with George Mc Idiot in charge. So, get ready for another meaningless 100 point regular season, and quick disappearing act once the REAL SEASON begins.
And, just a side thought. Neuvy is a much better goalie than Varly. not even close. What amazes me is that he's even being considered as a top flight goalie. THE KID CAN'T CATCH THE PUCK. ARE YOU ALL BLIND?

Posted by: Puckguru | July 29, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Arron Asham please.

That is all.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 29, 2010 8:15 AM | Report abuse

I just don't understand some Caps fans. They complain that the Caps need a tough guy enforcer. The Caps get a tough guy enforcer and they still complain. I think I get it now, the light just went on, a segment of Caps fans just like to complain no matter what.

You gotta love Bradley. He'll stand up for his teammates and drop 'em with anybody. The problem is he gets the living daylights beat out of him.

IMHO getting an established NHL enforcer, who will see limited duty, with an acceptable salary cap hit for a potential 3rd line journeyman is a good move.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | July 29, 2010 8:16 AM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1
Keep up the good work. You do your homework, and I respect that. Furthermore, you're one of the VERY, VERY FEW that actually "Get it." What I fail to fully comprehend is why you waste so much time arguing with these morons. They're NEVER going to understand. That's why Puckguru's posts are so infrequent of late. I mean, what's the use?
Most "Fans" simply don't have the brain power required to comprehend the finer points of the game. Heck, they barely understand the basics. god bless em. Just mindless trolls.

Posted by: Puckguru | July 29, 2010 8:24 AM | Report abuse

I don't have a problem bringing in a player who can stick up for some of our better players. The Caps are SOFT in that regard. However, finding a guy like King is dime-a-dozen. Why give up a young commodity like Rovere who was the Captain of his Jr teams? I don't like the deal as I feel SDR has upside. But still, we are talking about trading for a bottom 6 forward who can play today for a bottom 6 forward who can help us out in 3 years. This is a move to help now which is probably what GMGM had in mind.

Posted by: jimc93 | July 29, 2010 8:27 AM | Report abuse

Are Puckguru and cstanton1 one and the same? hmmmm....

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 29, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

yeah, puck guru is back dispensing wisdom in a cogent, half capitalized manner.

so the team trades a 7th round pick who many experts (i.e. no one on this board) dont think can rise about the AHL level for a 6th round pick who at least will get a chance to play in the NHL this year. said 6th round pick may provide the type of knuckle chucking to keep teams who have gooned up (rags) or who already play that game (philly) in check. i'm in agreement that the team doesnt need a dedicated enforcer. but when team like the rags load up on guys like boogaard, its nice to have a guy like king on the ice. boogy comes with a cap hit over $1.6 for 4 years while king will cost less than $650K for two...oh and king once busted boogy's nose.

funny how many people here moan about the lack of team toughness yet when they sign a guy for minimal dollars in exchange for a guy who generously would not see the NHL for two or three years then everyone is up in arms.

neither dj king nor SDR will not have a role in either teams ultimate playoff success or failure this year or next. dj will play in 20-30 games, mostly against more physical teams and will be eating nachos with sloan in the press box come playoff time.

i guess there is no move minor enough to avoid the scrutiny of the expert GM's on this board.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 29, 2010 8:29 AM | Report abuse

cstanton,

Speculation is SDR has peaked. Truth be told, I didn't see anything at d-camp out of him beyond a willingness to stick up for his team mates. Bruess is the same guy with a little more upside.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 29, 2010 8:35 AM | Report abuse

I'm kind of neutral on this move, SDR could turn out to be a great agitating 3rd liner BUT it will take a couple years for him to get there and the time for winning is now. My problem is the injury issues with King, if he can stay healthy this could be a good move.

Now, please sign Asham and have a Asham/Steckel/King 4th line and DUMP Gordon please!

Posted by: PhilR | July 29, 2010 8:40 AM | Report abuse

Can we also please refer to DJ as Dwayne?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D._J._King

Dwayne King.

That's boss.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 29, 2010 8:53 AM | Report abuse

More pathetic is all the whiney comments about max talbot. Caps fans are prone to ridiculous levels of homerism when it comes to ovie. Who's to say max isn't right?

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:45 PM

Get his name right, doughless.

It's "Maxie Pad" Talbot, not "Max."

As for King, he can actually be 14th forward. With 13 incl AGordo/Pinner/Beagle/MP (pick 1) you can have King as #14. This gives a full roster of 23 (and not a short roster of 22) and has cap room at moment of $3.5M.

I still like trading Flash to add like an Asham and then moving Ersk for a considerable D upgrade. Flash for Asham move save $1M+ and add Ersk's salary you can afford $5M for that upgraded D (please don't say Souray for that money).

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 9:11 AM | Report abuse

Someone one or two seasons ago commented that CS was a Pens Fans. If so, one will never see anything positive out of him or her. Puck Guru look up definition of "Fans" (short for Fanatics). Thus, fans of CAPS, while very rational (see PENS and Flyers boards), root for this team ("they") includes me, something CS and PG appear to not do.

Posted by: adhardwick | July 29, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I think another move likely.

They already have:

Ovie/Backstrom/Knuble
Laich/Flash/Semin
Chimera/(MP or MJ)/Fehr
King/Steckel/Bradley

Extras: BGordon/Hershey forwards such as Beagle, AGordon, etc.

The Caps have even more depth at wing now I'm curious to see what they are going to do next. Having a 13th forward at $625k is fine. That's what the salary cap hit should be for a player in that role

I do find it funny that some people were complaining that the Caps weren't tough enough and also that they were not making moves to be great now and were only concerned with being good for a long period to sell tickets. Which is why they weren't signing free agents to big contracts or moving prospects for players who can play now.

Then the Caps trade a mid-level prospect, who is probably 2 to 3 years away, if he makes it at all, for an enforcer who can play now. Then those same people cry about that.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I like the move. The team was way too soft last season. But McPhee is such an enigma. Last year, he says the Caps are too skilled to need a policeman and compares them to the Detroit Cup winning teams (which was beyond arrogant). Now, he completely changes his mind. I guess I should give him credit for implicitly admitting a mistake, but I'm more concerned that he doesn't seem to be on top of things.

Posted by: poguesmahone | July 29, 2010 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2020) 6.700
Semin (impending UFA) 6.000
Knuble (impending UFA) 2.800
Flash (impending UFA) 2.600
Fehr (2010-2012) 2.200
Laich (impending UFA) 2.067
Chimera (2009-2012) 1.875
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Bradley (impending UFA) 1.000
B. Gordon (impending UFA) 0.800
Perreault (impending RFA) 0.717
King (2010-2011) 0.638
A. Gordon 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 38.535
Green (2008-2012) 5.250
Poti (impending UFA) 3.500
Schultz (2010-2014) 2.750
Alzner (w/bonus; impending RFA) 1.675
Erskine (impending UFA) 1.250
Carlson (EL 2009-2012) 0.817
Sloan (2010-2012) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 15.942
Varlamov (impending RFA) 0.822
Neuvirth (impending RFA) 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 1.644
Total 23 Players 56.121
Cap Space 59.400
Available 3.279

Actual space w/23 players = $3.3M.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

I think the Caps should make King demonstrate he can fight without getting hurt, let him kick crap out of cstanton.

Posted by: ds_kelly | July 29, 2010 9:24 AM | Report abuse

Turning a 7th round pick into a guy who can play in the NHL in less than 3 years after the pick is decent, whether it be the guy you pick or somebody else.


King is a right wing with good size, got in 5 fights in 12 games last season, which means that he played in 7 games that he didn't get in fights in. This pushes Bradley up to the 3rd line.

So with Knuble, Fehr, Bradley and King playing RW,
LW - Ovechkin, Semin, Laich, Chimera.

C - Backstrom, Fleischmann, Perrault, Steckel, with Gordon as the spare part to plug in where needed. So the team is pretty small down the middle, but pretty big on the wings. And a 4th line with Chimera, Steckel and King is a pretty big line size wise.

I can live with this. Yes, it would be nice to have bigger centers, but I think even with this lineup the team won't be any worse defensively this year than last year and won't lose any offense. And the fact that the younger players are a year older and are likely to be a little more defensively responsible is a plus.

Posted by: piratusus | July 29, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

Finally some grit! Need a lot of "sandpaper" guys in the playoffs - this is a good move!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 29, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

@piratusus

Does King play RW? I thought I saw him listed as a LW, but those lists are often wrong.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

King plays LW, you are correct. Semin plays on the RW side not the LW with BB's lines.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

MY GOD!! Some of you will never be happy with this team. Alot of you guys were crying for an enforcer, GMGM gets one...and you guys kill him for it.

RELAX!

We get the pleasure of living in the hometown of a world class hockey club.......sit back and enjoy it for once.

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 29, 2010 9:39 AM | Report abuse

You can have a one-way contract (for the Caps anyway) at a $650,000 cap hit for two years and still play in Hershey full time. Sean Collins is in the second year of his and he didn't play a game with the Caps last year. ($625K last year, $675K this year c/o CapGeek.com). So King may be tried out for DC but that doesn't mean they won't/can't send him down. One-way just means that you get the same $$ both places and that, in most cases, the player is at risk for a waivers claim if sent down.

Posted by: Varly | July 29, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

I think this is also a pretty good business move.

Fights are a fan favorite, especially new fans (which this team has an abundance of). And you want to see your guy win, it gives the entire arena a boost (including the bench).

Last year, I dont remember any Caps that clearly won their fights.

We already have an explosive offense, what if King can be a catalist?

I miss Brash pummeling people!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Finally some grit! Need a lot of "sandpaper" guys in the playoffs - this is a good move!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 29, 2010 9:29 AM | Report abuse

i doubt dj will suit up for many playoff games, but he does bring the grit that is for sure.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 29, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

doughless = cstanton1 - hockey knowledge.
Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 29, 2010 6:06 AM

LOL, exactly. I was going to say, cstanton may be debbie downer but at least he seems to know what he's talking about and backs up what he says with facts. Doughless should change his name to mindless.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 10:04 AM | Report abuse

Still need a second line center and a S.A.H. defenseman. Flash is not a second line center.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 29, 2010 10:05 AM | Report abuse

You can have a one-way contract (for the Caps anyway) at a $650,000 cap hit for two years and still play in Hershey full time. Sean Collins is in the second year of his and he didn't play a game with the Caps last year. ($625K last year, $675K this year c/o CapGeek.com). So King may be tried out for DC but that doesn't mean they won't/can't send him down. One-way just means that you get the same $$ both places and that, in most cases, the player is at risk for a waivers claim if sent down.

Posted by: Varly | July 29, 2010 9:42 AM


good point

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1

I wonder if King can turn into a decent 12th forward who can forecheck, hit, and disrupt to go along with his fighting. So he could possibly play 8 or 9 minutes a game instead of 4 or 5.

He has only played 101 games with most of those occurring in his rookie year so I have to assume there is room to improve as a player.

I do not know much about him except for his fighting ability, but I wonder if he has the ability to get to that point.

If he can the he could possibly play as a 12th forward in the playoffs. If he remains only as an enforcer then he won't see much,if any, playoff time.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 10:06 AM | Report abuse

A prospect for a gritty tough guy at a good price, nice move or maybe GMGM was getting sick of all the talk about lack of moves so he made one or he was sick of how long these Insider post get with comments he made a move to start a new string.

Posted by: flee001 | July 29, 2010 10:07 AM | Report abuse

gotta admit it's a great playoff hockey name, fit for NY or Philly

Posted by: flee001 | July 29, 2010 10:08 AM | Report abuse

i like this move, hate give up SDR, but this is fine...this did address a big need for the caps, toughness

DJK can actually play some decent hockey. GMGM is not going to sign a simple enforcer (not his style). King is a much better hockey player than cote, orr, goddard, boogie, shelley, boutlon...

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 10:13 AM | Report abuse

So one Pens player of no consequence shoots his mouth off and we add an enforcer, that is a money rivalry.

Posted by: flee001 | July 29, 2010 10:26 AM | Report abuse

I do find it funny that some people were complaining that the Caps weren't tough enough and also that they were not making moves to be great now and were only concerned with being good for a long period to sell tickets. Which is why they weren't signing free agents to big contracts or moving prospects for players who can play now.

Then the Caps trade a mid-level prospect, who is probably 2 to 3 years away, if he makes it at all, for an enforcer who can play now. Then those same people cry about that.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

its already been explained ad nauseum so don't pretend like you don't understand. Troll. Again, all you who claim this is a great move are baldfaced liars. If this same trade had been suggested a day ago half this board would be busting their gut laughing. Most of you had never heard of DJ King prior to this trade. Most of you are fans of SDR. Most of you judging by your past comments thought SDR was a pretty decent bet to be an agitating tough middleweight type of player who could log more than a few shifts per game on the 4th line. So if this trade had been suggested a day ago to acquire a guy with injury issues who has barely played any games over the past 2 seasons, all your panties woulda been bunched up saying we didn't need a part time player who couldn't pull down a reg shift and a guy who's injury prone blah blah blah. SGM wears a thong so at least he'd be safe.

so quit being hypocrites. The only reason most of you approve of this trade is because GM pulled it off. You assume that suddenly SDR is no longer a viable nhl prospect and McPhee in his infinite wisdom realized that after camp and quickly dumped him to the Blues for a tough guy.

And again, its really not acquiring King I object to. Its the fact that McPhee is directionless and changes his philosophies from yr to yr (with no one calling him out for it) and that we gave up too much to get a risky proposition. Had we picked up a similar type of player via waivers or something, fine. To give up an SDR = OVERPAYING. We coulda found a half dozen DJ Kings in the minors last yr and used him if McPhee really felt we needed that. And if you read TEB's article this morning it sounds like the Caps were looking to fill the void after Brash's departure, another baldfaced lie.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 10:31 AM | Report abuse

i'd sure like to see McPhee start using some of his finesse prospects in trades. The last 3 yrs we've traded Ted Ruth, Osala, and now SDR. For an org that is thin in those ranks, you'd think he'd deal guys like Bouchard, Bourque etc (unless no one wants those types which wouldn't surprise me).

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

I just want to see King put his surgically-repaired shoulder through Maxie Pad's chest at the Winter Classic.

They'll be more than snowflakes flying!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

So one Pens player of no consequence shoots his mouth off and we add an enforcer, that is a money rivalry

----------------------

kneejerk reaction but I don't believe thats why they did it. They did it because the East has muscled up this yr and McPhee got worried and re-thought his (myopic) vision

@stevo

I agree DJ can do more than a few shifts. It remains to be seen if his body can hold up and if the Caps actually give him a real shot to be more than just a part time thug. He's a big hitter when he gets in on the forecheck, he's also a clean hitter and rarely gets his elbows up. He's a team guy, I've always liked his game. But he's no different than several several several other players who bounce between the A and the N.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

They'll be more than snowflakes flying!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 10:34 AM

I read this and I thought to myself, "that doesnt sound right." So then I thought "there'll" would work great, which I assumed didnt exist as a word. I googled it, AND IT DOES!

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/there'll

Thanks Tom.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I meant to write "There'll" as a contraction for "there will."

I have good grammar I just don't type well.

I tend to misspele a lot of words when I type.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

The good thing about having the enforcer...lets say Orprick decides to lay a hard and illegal hit on OV...King hopefully will not go after Orprick for that...the idea is he goes after crosby.

Posted by: capscoach | July 29, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

@capscoach

That would be interesting and would definitely have my approval.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If McPhee didn't change his philosophy to adapt to changes in the all-around, I'd be worried. It shows that he's at least acknowledging that you can't remain stagnant. Regardless if we agree or not, I agree with puckguru, cstanton1 shouldn't bother posting so much. He's your 60 year old Aunt Edna from Jersey sitting in the backseat trying to drive over your shoulder.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 29, 2010 11:04 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

yeah i guess you have a point with a players that can bounce between ahl/nhl, but... there are only a few that are willing and can bloody boogard. I would like to see DJK between maybe 6-8 minutes a game to see what he can do. Obviously we can HS him (prevent breakdown/rest) against carolina/wings/ maybe even habs

also i agree that we have traded some of our rough and tumble prospects, maybe its time to trade some finesse players. I'm pretty sure if we offered bouchard or someone similiar to the Blues they would have gone for it

also people saying to trade the lumberjack...yeah with king we now have some toughness...., but erskine is our only "tough" blueliner we have now. just saying...and clearly he is my favorite cap, but thats beside the point

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

@sgm

According to Tarik's blog he is a RW, but who knows.

"The Caps added some toughness to their lineup this afternoon, acquiring rugged right wing D.J. King from St. Louis in exchange for prospect Stefan Della Rovere."

It really may not matter, for example if you play Semin, Flash and Laich on a line, you can pretty much line up Flash or Laich at C and any one of the three at LW or RW. I don't think it really makes that much of a difference in the Caps system. Either way though, King Steckel Bradley or Chimera Steckel King has a lot of size and with Chimera they have a guy who has good speed as well.

I suspect you won't see much of Semin playing on the same line as Ovechkin except late in games, especially if Marcus Johansson makes the team as the 2nd line Center. (Is anyone reminded of the dilemma the Caps were in before Backstrom's first season, when the Caps made the mistake of going out and getting Nylander to be the 1st line center, when it turned out that Backstrom ended up being the best option, anyway?) I can live with the idea that they are planning on plugging in Marcus Jo... at the 2nd line center, even if he is not 100% ready at the beginning of the season, he has has rookie camp, training camp and then the regular season to get him ready for the playoffs, by the playoffs he can be ready, and if it looks like he is not going to be ready then, they may be able to find someone to fill the role by the trade deadline. Or Flash may improve his game through the season, he is a good playmaker, he has gotten stronger, he may continue to improve at C. I think he will do a better job than Brendan Morrison did, at least.

Posted by: piratusus | July 29, 2010 11:06 AM | Report abuse

I dream about Crosby getting laid flat on the ice...he might get ideas though. Which is fine, I guess. Looking forward to DJ being on the ice against the Penguins.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 29, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

it is humorous to see all of you homer caps fans actually try to say that a bonehead like King who can barely string a sentence together and has hardly played in 2 years, actually has some sort of legitimate upside for the caps. and then to go on and dimiss Della Rovere as not NHL level talent?? the guy has accomplished more then King, hands down. he will play in the nhl soon.

all you donkey homers miss the point: do the Caps need more grit? yes. does one guy, King, = team grit? F no. McPee has been whining all summer that there were no good FAs out there, that they would only sign someone or make a move if the move added someone "better than what we have." do any of you homers really think this guy is better than what the Caps currently have?? does King address a need?? he is not a 2nd line C & not a top 2 pair D man.

and by the way Rocc00, it would help to understand WHAT YOU ARE saying if you learned how to use the english language and grammar.

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 11:11 AM | Report abuse

and all the self-loathing when it comes to the Pens is really sad. lets be honest: all of the hate is because most of you donkeys can't admit that the Caps & Ovie has accomplished nothing and the Pens have. you should be placing blame with team leadership, but instead you have your sad little tirades about Crosby and talbot. this is why other NHL fans laugh at Caps fans.

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@piratsus

I overlooked that sentence in Tarik's blog. I kind of hope he plays RW. I like the idea of a Chimera/Steckel/King 4th line. You need Chimera out there to add the element of speed to the line.

In regards to Flash, just like Fehr he was unable to train last offseason due to health concerns. And like Fehr, he improved signficantly from '08'09 to last year. So I think, just like Fehr, it is very possible that he improves even more this year and starts to round out his game.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

@doughless

We now have someone as worthless as Goddard...so we feel good about that.

Do we need toughness? Not to beat the Pens we dont...We spotted you how many power plays last year? You can live it the past, but last time I checked, it's been a while since the Pens took 2 points from Washington.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 29, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

so much haterade consumption on here!

Sad to see my breathren and sisteren like this! :-(

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 29, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

so much haterade consumption on here!

Sad to see my breathren and sisteren like this! :-(

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 29, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Don't mistake trolls flaming for haterade. Just your typical internet poo chucking. The only thing that really needs to happen at this point is to DROP THE FREAKIN' PUCK!!!!!

Posted by: Chewbacca22 | July 29, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@doughless

I will ignore your sheer rudeness for a moment...1st off...SDR shows no immediate signs of being NHL ready. King cost next to nothing and from what I have read his injuries while serious are completely healed now.

1 player does not create team toughness but it sure as heck helps...now we have him, Chimera, Fehr has proven to be a good checker, and besides that you are going to have to just accept that Grit will not be a huge focus for this team in the near future. Go be a philly fan if thats what u want. And OF COURSE it uspets me that since the Pitt/DC rivalry Pitt has gotten a cup...but 1 cup to nothing (since this rivalry) is hardly an incomprehesible difference.

I realize that you want attention and u think the only way to get it is to be rude and annoying...but like I tell my 13 yr. old students...go away, come back with a better attitude and then we can talk.

Posted by: capscoach | July 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

@doughless

I will ignore your sheer rudeness for a moment...1st off...SDR shows no immediate signs of being NHL ready. King cost next to nothing and from what I have read his injuries while serious are completely healed now.

1 player does not create team toughness but it sure as heck helps...now we have him, Chimera, Fehr has proven to be a good checker, and besides that you are going to have to just accept that Grit will not be a huge focus for this team in the near future. Go be a philly fan if thats what u want. And OF COURSE it uspets me that since the Pitt/DC rivalry Pitt has gotten a cup...but 1 cup to nothing (since this rivalry) is hardly an incomprehesible difference.

I realize that you want attention and u think the only way to get it is to be rude and annoying...but like I tell my 13 yr. old students...go away, come back with a better attitude and then we can talk.

Posted by: capscoach | July 29, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

WARNING! DO NOT FEED THE TROLLS!

Posted by: Chewbacca22 | July 29, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

all you donkey homers miss the point: do the Caps need more grit? yes. does one guy, King, = team grit? F no
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that's exactly correct. King could be a piece of the puzzle (assuming he stays intact which is a big assumption). But lets assume he beats the odds and stays healthy, lets also assume the Caps pull an about-face and actually try and develop him into a 10 shift per game player (which he absolutely can be as can a lot of other equivalent players languishing in the A)

So assuming all of that, what does that really accomplish for the Caps? It saves Matt Bradley from losing 3 liters of blood every season. It provides a bit of fan excitement. It gives a measured boost here and there to the team. But in and of itself, its a very small isolated boost to the team toughness concept. You still need many other guys to provide varying degrees of toughness for this team to take a real step forward and be able to stand in there with the more physical teams in this league. The Flyers for ex don't just have Shelley. They have 6 or 7 other guys willing to drop gloves in varying degrees, willing to play a nasty brand of hockey. If McPhee thinks just adding a DJK type will solve this team's toughness issues, he took way too many blows to the head when he played.

As much as I love toughness in hockey, I have little respect for teams who don't employ a team toughness concept and instead rely on a 3 shift per game fighter who does nothing more than drop the gloves with the other team's fighter. Its a waste.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

on a completely unrelated note if some of you can put aside your disdain for me right now, i need some advice on fireworks. I need a good reputable fireworks site to order some very entertaining types of fireworks. Stuff that blows up, stuff that shoots high into the sky, stuff that's innovative, etc. I'm planning a road trip to the midwest and I need to get into the fireworks scene so i can order them before i leave. My buddy's got some extensive property we can use for this purpose and aside from regular bottle rockets and mortars, my knowledge and experience with true fun fireworks has been fairly limited over the past 20 yrs. So anyone that really knows this stuff, if you can direct me to a site and give me some pointers on which products to buy, it'll be much appreciated.

Humbly

cstanton

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

As much as I love toughness in hockey, I have little respect for teams who don't employ a team toughness concept and instead rely on a 3 shift per game fighter who does nothing more than drop the gloves with the other team's fighter. Its a waste.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:00 PM | Report abuse

so go find another team. As you have so OBVIOUSLY stated, that is not the brand of hockey we play

Posted by: Chewbacca22 | July 29, 2010 12:05 PM | Report abuse

A prospect for a gritty tough guy at a good price, nice move or maybe GMGM was getting sick of all the talk about lack of moves so he made one or he was sick of how long these Insider post get with comments he made a move to start a new string.

Posted by: flee001 | July 29, 2010 10:07 AM |


Ø Yes, GMGM reads these posts every day with bated breath, waiting for the hockey experts at CI to tell him what to do...or perhaps the ONLY reason that any NHL GM anywhere has EVER made a roster move was simply to generate more blog threads. Ø

Puh-leeeze!!!!

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

capscoach:

when was the last time you remember McPee talking about the need for an enforcer?? I agree the team needs more toughness, including a servicable fighter if needed. but given Tariks's recent poll of folks here about the need for an enforcer, i think it is humorous that many of the usuals here who DIDN'T think we need a goon are all of a sudden on the enforcer bandwagon. and coming on the heels of the whole Talbot thing, it seems silly. if McPee wanted toughness, he could have gotten it and potentially addressed one of the top 2 needs this team has by making a move on one of the many FAs (with talent) that were available. this just looks like another whim move by a guy that isn't sure of what he is doing.

by the way capscoach, it you are policing "meanness" here, go after some of the other goofs that seem to only sling arrows.

and chumpbacca, you don't know what you are talking about with your troll comment.

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Best possible roster move for alliterative potential:


NJD acquires #81 from BOS..."Satan Joins Devils", etc.


Second best possible roster move for alliterative potentional:


DET acquires Talbot from PIT... "MaxiPad now with Wings"

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

btw, for most of you who don't like Colton Orr's playing style, you won't like DJK. He's not a better player than Orr is. He's very similar. Gets in deep, throws some thundering hits, and is a capable fighter when healthy. The difference between Orr and King is, Orr is a lot meaner and imo more effective because he frequently runs other team's better players. He'll run anyone from Jagr to Crosby to Ovy to Green. He doesn't care. Much like Brashear was in Vanc and Philly. King doesn't go after the top players as much, he'll relegate himself to hitting the 2nd and 3rd tier guys on other teams. Which to me makes no sense but the prevailing wisdom behind that is if a tough guy goes after top players then it opens the game up for a free-for-all. I'd rather all my players take the hit if its there regardless of the jersey#

another big assumption - will boudreau freak out if DJK takes a few extra penalties in a game. He freaked out when Brashear did and pulled him. He'll probably have even less patience with a younger guy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

Don't mistake trolls flaming for haterade. Just your typical internet poo chucking. The only thing that really needs to happen at this point is to DROP THE FREAKIN' PUCK!!!!!

Posted by: Chewbacca22
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Sadly, I feel they are coming from people I've discussed and bantered back and forth with for quite some time now.

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 29, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

First time poster here, but I love reading CI throughout the day. There is a nice mix of smart people and the academically challenged. There are people with hockey sense and there are some that are senseless. You have your chronic complainers, never be happy, beer is half empty types like cstanton1 (although without a devil’s advocate this blog wouldn’t be nearly as fun)…and you have the turn that frown upside down, all roads lead to glory, pour the half beer into a smaller glass so that the beer is now a full beer types like sgm3 (keep fighting for the home team). For the record, I like to keep 2 beers on me, ergo always happy. You have Tominsocal/fl, who offers intelligent comments (and lots of facts/numbers) and occasional shots at humor (I’d say you hit about 60%). Then there are those that have me completely perplexed …doughless you fall into this category. Early last year you made a comment about wanting an entire team of Bradley’s and would win the cup or something. Really? Good luck with that. You constantly make asinine statements, and then result to name calling ala “homers”, English/grammar slandering, etc. Apparently your idea of grammar requires a lack in use of capital letters, omitting punctuation in long run on sentences, and a surplus of sentence fragments and ramblings. Moving on…

I am also a huge Semin fan and think the guy is an amazingly talented player. He gets bashed on here a lot, most of the time unjustifiably so. The guy makes mistakes yes, and I’d love to see fewer o zone hookings, but the guy back checks like a champ and is a huge asset on the pk. What he creates offensively (really watch him with the puck and how he makes other NHLers look like they belong in men’s leagues) and what he does for this team won’t truly be appreciated until he is gone…which I for one hope doesn’t happen for a long time (Kovy deal him imo). Plus, get the guy a good play making 2C and it’d be scary to see that lines numbers at the end of the season. The concept of getting rid of him for a solid 2C makes no sense to me. We need both, they kind of work together. A Flash-Fehr-2C line wont be even remotely as potent as a Semin-2C-Fehr line.

As for this deal, I’m undecided if it’s good or bad. But I am excited to see how it works out. It would be nice to see a decline in our finesse players getting runs taken at them.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

i think it is humorous that many of the usuals here who DIDN'T think we need a goon are all of a sudden on the enforcer bandwagon. and coming on the heels of the whole Talbot thing,
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precisely one of the reasons i flipped when this all went down. The same fans who constantly say we don't need a fighter type (esp one with DJK's history), are now defending the trade as a great deal. Hypos.
All those same fans would've laughed the trade off this blog if that suggestion had been posted a day ago. Even Tarik pretends that the mission statement McPhee passed along last yr about this team no longer needing an enforcer never occurred. Zero fkn accountability for anything that occurs with the Caps. If the Skins made a similar aboutface, you'd have 3 WaPo articles about it the very same day.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:15 PM | Report abuse

DET acquires Talbot from PIT... "MaxiPad now with Wings"


Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 12:09 PM

Hilarious! Let it remembered, btw, that it was I who first coined "Maxi Pad" during my 7-post rant Tuesday night.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 12:27 PM | Report abuse

SDR shows no immediate signs of being NHL ready. King cost next to nothing and from what I have read his injuries while serious are completely healed now.
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how many of our prospects show "immediate signs of being NHL ready". Please, that's a completely irrelevant comment. Lets dump 90% of the kids we drafted in the past 3 drafts because they don't show signs of being NHL ready either.

Re: his injuries, its not like he broke a finger or strained a calf. Having a big dislocation of your shoulder and not playing much in the past 2 yrs = BIG RISK. I don't care how you slice and dice it, there's no getting around the fact that King's health is STILL a concern esp given the style he plays. Chris Simon's shoulders did the same thing and that effectively killed his ability to play the same rugged style he did when he was younger. Stephen Peat had shoulder/hand injuries that rendered him useless. Which is why Darcy Verot ended up having to fight guys like Fedoruk. Peat refused to, even when his coach (Hanlon) was begging him to do something. I'm not saying DJK can never enforce effectively, but some of you are pretending his health issues are behind him.

There are so many variables attached to this trade that you can't look at it as anything more than a nothing move at this point. If not for the fact we gave up imo a prospect that is fairly rare in our system. And I heard the Bruess comparison but they're not quite the same player. And frankly, I was looking fwd to BOTH those guys playing for the Caps one day and along with Pinner, Beags, and AG providing us a young core of talented and tough kids who compete their butts off.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Sadly, I feel they are coming from people I've discussed and bantered back and forth with for quite some time now.

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 29, 2010 12:10 PM | Report abuse

i wouldn't get too depressed over that. As long as you keep it reeal, you always bicker with and then come to some type of common ground in the future on most blogs. You're never going to agree with anyone 100%. I don't even agree with Doughless 100% of the time and he and I are allegedly the same person.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

SAOTI: Welcome aboard. Glad I am amusing at least half the time.

Anyway, I kinda agree with some of what cstanton1 says on the King deal. First off, SDR is not near NHL ready. He might contribute next year, maybe. So, getting an NHL player who can play now makes next year stronger. And, SDR was a "Bradley-type" at best, someone you can acquire. So, I'm not jumping for joy with this deal, but it's good. And, I agree with cstanton1, we need more of the grit. I have been on the "trade Semin" bandwagon - if we can get a top D in return. Otherwise, we have too many snipers, trade Flash certainly and you can afford then a solid #2 center and, with cap space and Erskine moved, at least a solid #2 D man. If those two players both have the style cstanton espouses, then the King deal as a complimentary piece makes complete sense.

Ersk+Flash+3.2 current space = 7.0 that could be made available for #2C and a D.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 12:34 PM | Report abuse

@flee001

"A prospect for a gritty tough guy at a good price, nice move or maybe GMGM was getting sick of all the talk about lack of moves so he made one or he was sick of how long these Insider post get with comments he made a move to start a new string."

No doubt George McPhee is paying VERY close attention to the sentiments expressed on Caps blogs. His family and his career are riding on the wisdom of his decisions. Who else would he look to but ME for sound counsel on how to do his job?

Posted by: large23220 | July 29, 2010 12:36 PM | Report abuse

regarding the King quote on Talbot, that's so silly and juvenile its worth nothing more than a cheap thrill for a wide-eyed newcomer to the game. In reality when the two teams play, King probably won't go near Talbot because he'll either be a scratch for us or he'll be on the bench waiting to go against Godard or something. This kinda stuff means nothing. All the times over the past few yrs when some other player has said something about one of our guys or taken a cheap shot at one of our players, it has resulted in absolutely zero retribution. The "wait till next game" mentality doesn't exist here. And in the new NHL it probably only exists in about 10 cities.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

I really don't see the problem with the bantering here, everyone has different opinions so it is bound to happen. However, I wish the immaturity of saying someone is not a real fan, go find another team, and name calling would cease and just stick to the actual HOCKEY and CAPS related arguments. Calling people names and telling them to go cheer for another team accomplishes nothing and quite frankly is childish.

And I know I may be guilty of this as well every so often during the heat of an argument but some on here can do nothing but name call.

Posted by: PhilR | July 29, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Forwards with grit on the Caps: Ovechkin, Knuble, Bradley, Chimera, Laich, King.

Forwards who are developing some grit: Fehr, Backstrom. Maybe Steckel.

Forwards who could get a callup with grit:
Beagle.

Saying the Caps don't have grit isn't exactly true. They may not have as much as some other teams, but they are not as bad off as most think. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence.

This team might just be tougher than most think, and with the size and skill they have, they might do better than most think, even in the playoffs. While I was disappointed in the losses in the playoffs the last three years, it is not like they didn't have a chance to win every series they were in. A bit of luck and a bounce here or there and any one of the three series would have turned the other way.

Posted by: piratusus | July 29, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1:

Glad you approve. Now where do I mail the royalty check...

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Christ, a trade for a goon for maybe a 4th line agitator fires so many people up. Neither of these two guys will have any relevance in winning a cup in the next couple years...relax.

As soon as DJ administers a knuckle sandwich to someones face, everyone will be happy.

Posted by: Moose33 | July 29, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

see Tom keeps it real. He doesn't get involved with "taking sides" or mob mentality. And he doesn't throw anyone under the bus. Standup fkn guy.

I think in many ways, DJK is in Scott Walker territory. Because those types of players really don't fit in with how the Caps play, there's not an inherent deeprooted belief that those guys are valuable. So there's less time/resources given to develop them or give them the free reign they need on the ice to make their impact felt. And again, the fact that SDR isn't nhl ready is irrelevant. The only relevant point in that trade is SDR's potential. The only time you trade the future away for the present is if you think you're acquiring an impact player who will put you over the top. DJK doesn't fall into that category and we could've gotten similar types for free. There's nothing that special about him. And that doesn't mean that I don't like him, but he's not even in chris neil's category of a tough guy who can play a reg shift. He's like a partly damaged goods version of Orr and Shelley without the NHL experience. And I doubt most folks here would want us to start trading prospects for those players considering the amount of jabs you guys have thrown at them (esp Orr) over the yrs.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Forwards who could get a callup with grit:
Beagle.

Add Pinner to the list

Posted by: Steve_R | July 29, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

@Steve R

Even Andrew Gordon plays with grit. I honestly think there is enough grit on the team its just a different style. What I think is needed is more Veterans that know how to win. The team is too young, it needs people that know how to win in the playoffs on the roster.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

If you have time for a road trip, head to NYC's Chinatown for the ka-boom's. Well worth the time.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 29, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

I agree with that, which is one reason why I am a supporter for signing John Madden to a 1 year contract to play 3rd line center.

Willie Mitchell could also an option on D. While he hasn't won anything, he is a veteran though with some playoff expereince (45 games).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Saying the Caps don't have grit isn't exactly true. They may not have as much as some other teams, but they are not as bad off as most think. The grass always seems greener on the other side of the fence.
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every team has grit. But if there's even a semi-significant degree of difference between teams, that's enough to negate any skill advantage one team may have over another. The Rags got Boogaard but when you add in Dubinsky, Callahan, Staal, Dane Byers etc, that's really the core of their grit. Boogey just adds his own element and most of that is being able to take on the real heavies so the smaller guys don't have to. Ditto the Flyers. Shelley can step in there with guys like Boogey so players like Carcillo, Hartnell and Lappy can go inflict punishment on guys their own weight class or smaller. You can be sure that when the Rags and Flyers got their heavies, they intend to use them in most games if not every game. Esp the Flyers. John Tortorella is still an odd fit with Boogaard imo. The Caps history shows that they don't believe in the tough guy quite enough to utilize it to its full potential. It does King no good to be in and out of the lineup or get into just a few shifts every game. You can't expect a reg player to get a feel for the game that way and certainly that applies to the more marginal players even more. For him to be an effective forechecker/banger, he needs to see 10 shifts per game most every game unless a specific situation dictates otherwise.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

So sarcasm at this move not appreciated? How can GMGM ignore all the wisdom brought on these boards ... it's good stuff that see's Semin and Flash traded, someone actually wanting Erks and a magical 2C and 1D showing up for scraps and no cost. Good times.

Posted by: flee001 | July 29, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

If you have time for a road trip, head to NYC's Chinatown for the ka-boom's. Well worth the time.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 29, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

cool, I just wanna light up my own stuff. Plus we got a jetboat on a huge lake so i'd like to shoot off some loud and colorful stuff into the night sky. I can't imagine anything better than that. So, anyone got any fireworks tips on what specifically to buy?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:00 PM | Report abuse

Is Berube still available? Last I saw him he was giving crap tips to waiters at Jaspers in Crofton ... ah memories.

Posted by: flee001 | July 29, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Tomin, seeing Flash dumped in either a trade for or to make more cap room for a solid 2C would be an early x-mas gift to me. Toss in Erskine and pick/prospect to gain a solid dman in a huge 4 man trade...it can count as my b-day gift as well.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

anyone who thinks this was either a "great" move or a "terrible" move is wrong. it's a minor move that may help the team in a few regular season games but ultimately will have no bearing on whether this team wins in the playoffs.

maybe it gives the skill guys a bit more room on the ice (i dont necessarily buy that). maybe it keeps goons like boogaard, etc in line (i buy that). maybe it prevents an injury to one of our guys (we'll never know). maybe it just gives us a couple of good brawl highlights (book it).

the fact is, barring some miraculous contribution by king this year or next, whether this trade was good or not wont be known for a couple of years when we find out whether SDR can play in the NHL or not. some say he's peaked, but who knows? i know that guys like GMGM know better than us. what we do know is he would not have played any meaningful minutes for the caps in the next 3 years or so.

i think the encouraging thing is that GMGM is now showing the willingness to part with prospects for guys who may be able to help now. for too long he's held onto guys who wont be a factor for a few years instead of getting guys who can help now.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 29, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The Caps didn't need an enforcer that demanded 1mil or more a year in Brashear. Last off season players of all ilks were landing much more lucrative contracts. This summer, not so much which made the re-insertion of an enforcer a very inexpensive addition to the line-up. GMGMs eyes probably opened wide at Wachovia center last season, I was there too, awesome game, when Bradley got knocked into next week by Carcillo. Bradley took it upon himself to become the protector, and well, he took too much abuse. So GMGM probably learned a lesson and figured moving SDR was worth it. He appeared to take a step back in juniors last year as well as less impressive in this year's developement camp which combined to make him expendable for a very inexpensive role player. SDR may or not make it as an NHL regular, that remains to be seen. It definitely wouldn't have been this year. He may make it earlier in St. Louis too, but him making the St. Louis squad is apples and oranges. Look at some of the players wearing Caps jerseys a few years back and playing quality minutes. A lot of them wouldn't have cracked the line-up in other cities, and never have been an NHL regular after leaving DC. Jason Doig ring any bells?

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 29, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that I was not one of the people who thouht we needed an enforcer...but this trade puts little pressure on our cap hit...it's not like b/c we signed this guy we r not going tobe able to sign someone else we wanted. We could still add a 2 mil D man and havereerves for a center at the deadline if needed.

Posted by: capscoach | July 29, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The truth is that I was not one of the people who thouht we needed an enforcer...but this trade puts little pressure on our cap hit...it's not like b/c we signed this guy we r not going tobe able to sign someone else we wanted. We could still add a 2 mil D man and havereerves for a center at the deadline if needed.

Posted by: capscoach | July 29, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Mortars are the best

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

the fact is, he REACTED to other teams' moves instead of just forging his own path. Obviously, we don't want him to forge his own path because he doesn't know any better. But it doesn't take much brainpower to go out and get a fighter just because your Eastern rivals are bulking up. What happened to "lets burn them with our PP!" ? By getting King, he is proving that what he thought was the right way to go a mere 11 months ago, was not the right way to go at all. Everything he said and did after deciding not to bring back Brashear indicated that he was eliminating the role, not just the player. This wasn't simply a case of the Caps not being able to find the right type of enforcer fit last season. They just decided to try and roll with 4 lines of players who could all skate with no regards given to how that would affect their team chemistry and toughness.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

i do like the mortars. I just found a product called "Stack attack night planes" that seem pretty cool. One plane takes off and shoots off some flames, then another little plane takes off from on top of that one and shoots off more flames.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

Maybe "let's just burn them with our PP" was an excuse not to overpay for Brash. And we tried it for a year, now we're adjusting as our opponents adjust and the price is right.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

sgm3, I'm not so sure you want John Madden on this team for these 3 reasons:

He is always drunk on scotch.
He will miss lots of road games because he refuses to fly anywhere; he only takes his bus.
He is 73.

Oh wait, you meant John Madden the hockey player...crap, undo...undo...undo.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

GMGMs eyes probably opened wide at Wachovia center last season, I was there too, awesome game, when Bradley got knocked into next week by Carcillo

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why was that a surprise to the GM of a hockey team? Doesn't he know an incident like that would be very likely to occur when you field a team of non-fighters and go against a rival team who utilizes loose cannons like Carcillo? The job of a GM isn't to simply react to situations (too late). Its to proactively address situations before they occur. It didn't take a genius to figure out that the Caps were shooting themselves in the foot last yr by fielding the team they did - they left themselves open to a lot of cheap shots and abuse. McPhee's mantra was that the way to discourage other teams from taking liberties was via our PP. Why has he deviated from that?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Maybe "let's just burn them with our PP" was an excuse not to overpay for Brash. And we tried it for a year, now we're adjusting as our opponents adjust and the price is right.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 1:20 PM

finally an admittance i can live with.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

i see three levels on which to evaluate the King acquisition:

scoring: ha
checking: it seems there are some question marks in this department, but if he could spell the depth end of our roster the production of guys like Chimera/Brads/Stecks might increase. also, if he proves effective our young D might be able to develop by spending more time facing half-breaks than odd-number rushes
pugilism: someone mentioned above King's potential to be a game-changing catalyst. remember what Poti's fight against Gomez (or was it Gionta?) did for the Caps? if our scoring falters a good punch-up may electrify the phonebooth. this seems the most plausible explanation for the trade

Posted by: mcintire_will | July 29, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

@All: Let's please stop trying to make this about who was right or wrong, and who is a troll or hypocrite or liar or whatever. If I wanted that, I could always go over to the political blogs.


Instead, let's please focus on what this means for the Caps, OK? And no absolutism allowed, either.

I am disappointed to see SDR go...I witnessed his positive qualities at the development camp earlier this month, and have long felt that the Caps would benefit from having an Avery Lite® on the roster (i.e., a good player and better agitator, but with less crude comments and d-baggery attached).

OTOH, I also understand the logic of trading a prospect who is 2-3 years away from regular NHL duty for an affordable* tough guy who--injury history notwithstanding--will likely be ready to go this season.

FTR, I don't always agree with the things GMGM does (or doesn't do). In fact, I often don't understand or agree with his moves. But at the end of the day, I accept the facts that:

1) Whatever was done was done for a reason (although that reason may not be readily apparent), and

2) George McPhee is the General Manager of the Washington Capitals' hockey club, and I...am not.

GMGM's decisions may not always appear to make sense. God knows they aren't always popular. They may not always turn out to be right. Then again, I defy anyone to name any NHL GM who makes the "right" choices 100% of the time--such a GM does not exist.

But the fact remains that they are his desisions to make, not ours.

I say we wait and see.

Now, will somebody please drop the damn puck?!?!?

*Affordable player = one whose cap hit is proportional to his skills and expected ice time.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

"pugilism: someone mentioned above King's potential to be a game-changing catalyst. remember what Poti's fight against Gomez (or was it Gionta?) did for the Caps? if our scoring falters a good punch-up may electrify the phonebooth. this seems the most plausible explanation for the trade"

Dammit! I spelled "catalyst" wrong, thanks.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I don't think that a player coming off the bench once or twice a game and fighting another team's tough guy off the faceoff does much to boost his own team. Those scripted fights are for the most part useless unless there's some major bad blood involved and your fighter is more active in the game besides just having a token fight. King's value to this team would be maximized if he was used the way the Leafs use Colton Orr. Get in deep, get some big hits, snarl at the opposition, jostle around in the crease, etc. The actual fight, while its fun to watch is probably the least useful part of the equation.

If I were a Philly fan, I'd know by this acquisition that my GM and coach intended to fully utilize King. As a Caps fan, I have my doubts because players like King are not historically used effectively under McPhee. Which is why they're few and far between.

Btw, this is yet another example of why the Caps should be drafting some DJ King types in the middle and later rounds. This way you can bring up a home groomed prospect instead of having to overpay for them via trades. Other teams have guys like this in abundance. So even if you get an injury, another guy can step in without missing a beat. These guys are easier to get than other players right? So why is the Caps cupboard always so bare? Why don't we have a couple of prospects like this in the minors that we are grooming to take over the role ? Again, look at other teams systems and you'll see this in play.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@Rhino40

Good stuff.

I am with you...

DROP IT!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

well said Rhino, esp about the absolutism part.

But re: McPhee. I think its within our realistic scope to criticize him when he clearly makes bad decisions (i.e Corvo trade), or when he backpedals on his philosophies without getting called out for it. And acting like it was all part of the grand master plan when in reality, its yet another example of him being shortsighted.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

@SeminAllOverTheIce

I think adding that John Madden would be beneficial too, if only for the enjoyment of hearing him yell "BOOM" every time Ovie hits somebody.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

rhino:

i appreciate some of what you have to say, especially about Della Rovere. 2 things:

1) No one is ever 100% correct, but I would offer that Ken Holland, for one, is often closer that not.

2)Caps player moves aren't our decisions to make, but as a multi-year STH I reserve the right to call him on his actions. McPee is using some of my cash to do what he does.

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

But re: McPhee. I think its within our realistic scope to criticize him when he clearly makes bad decisions (i.e Corvo trade), or when he backpedals on his philosophies without getting called out for it. And acting like it was all part of the grand master plan when in reality, its yet another example of him being shortsighted.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:40 PM

But is it in "realistic scope" to criticize him Ad nauseam?

...because you seem to be back on your agenda bro.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

i will say that i am initially surprised by this move b/c, as a skill team, throwing in a single boxer may not alter the composition of the team all that much. we undisputably need grit but the model that seems most fitting to me would be more Chimeras. i think i'd rather have one of him on each line than a team-full of european supple wrists and one goon

what i'm getting at is that the injection of grit needs to be more pervasive than just acquiring a pair of fists. which leads me to believe (er, hope)...MORE TRADES ON THE WAY!

Posted by: mcintire_will | July 29, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

never an agenda per se except to point out what McPhee's historical cause/effect decisions end up being. When the Skins have an offensive line issue, everyone understands why that is - they ignored the line for yrs in the draft to go after "sexier" players, etc etc. There's a very good indepth analysis done here locally that prevents the Redskins front office from masking their own culpabilities. The Caps front office enjoys more invisibility in that regard.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

GMS react to the pulse of the league every year just prior to the playoffs. It's called the free agency deadline. They fill holes by making deals with a lot of team that have thrown the towel in.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 29, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

sgm3, I'm not so sure you want John Madden on this team for these 3 reasons:

He is always drunk on scotch.
He will miss lots of road games because he refuses to fly anywhere; he only takes his bus.
He is 73.

Oh wait, you meant John Madden the hockey player...crap, undo...undo...undo.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 1:24 PM


@SeminAllOverTheIce:

Terrible handle.

Great post.

LMAO.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

Maybe "let's just burn them with our PP" was an excuse not to overpay for Brash. And we tried it for a year, now we're adjusting as our opponents adjust and the price is right.


Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

actually, our PP did pretty well in the regular season. the post season, not so much but enforcers rarely matter in the post season.

lets not overestimate what having a guy like dj king will do for the team. the "beat em with the pp" line was more about not having a team filled w/ brawlers and guys who will retaliate to nonsense. adding king doesnt really change that much. the team is still light on knuckle chuckers and thats ok. we do need guys who will play with physicality and the aforementioned "grit". brads will do it, chimmer will do it, knuble has some grit and laich will get his nose dirty too. of course ov will throw his weight around. lets hope guys like fehr and the defense step up a bit in that regard too.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 29, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

to me, trade deadline is too late. and given the most recent track record of the Caps acquisitions at deadline, even a worse strategy.

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

2)Caps player moves aren't our decisions to make, but as a multi-year STH I reserve the right to call him on his actions. McPee is using some of my cash to do what he does.
Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 1:43 PM

And your cash ceased being yours as soon as you purchased tickets.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

i understand that, and i don't mean that GMs should never be reactive. But filling a hole at the deadline is different from re-engineering your entire philosophy about carrying a tough guy on your roster a yr after you decide that type of player is unnecessary in this "new" nhl. Anyway, I'll drop it for a bit because i've made my point. But let not mischaracterize the critiquing of this move. It has less to do with DJ King and more to do with

1) overpaying for a player who isn't considered to be anything more than your run of the mill enforcer (not that there's anything wrong with that)
and
2) having a GM who can flip back n forth on what his vision is based on the way the wind is currently blowing.

Some teams have a core belief in carrying a team tough roster. They may eliminate players based on contracts and age, but they always keep that role around, whether its middleweights who can play on the 3rd line or heavies on the 4th. Those teams don't waver from yr to yr wondering about the new nhl.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

GMS react to the pulse of the league every year just prior to the playoffs. It's called the free agency deadline. They fill holes by making deals with a lot of team that have thrown the towel in.

Posted by: fanohock1


That being said, do you really feel the moves made by GMGM at last years deadline helped the team? I certainly do not, now a couple years ago with Cooke, Feds, Huet obviously it helped.......just hope to never see the garbage that was done last deadline again! CORVO=BLAH!!

Posted by: PhilR | July 29, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

never an agenda per se except to point out what McPhee's historical cause/effect decisions end up being. When the Skins have an offensive line issue, everyone understands why that is - they ignored the line for yrs in the draft to go after "sexier" players, etc etc.
Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 1:52 PM

The Skins ignored the draft altogether. And that seems to be the philosophy that some of you would have McPhee employ.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

actually, our PP did pretty well in the regular season. the post season, not so much but enforcers rarely matter in the post season
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extremely shortsighted way to view enforcers imo. Enforcers don't exist in a vacuum (at least not on most teams). They're part of the overall grit, they get their teammates to play with more confidence, they keep their teammates healthier by doing the heavy lifting, they help develop their teammates by providing them more room on the ice and a slew of other things. So even if they don't take a single shift in the playoffs, all those little intangibles they provided their teammates during the reg season does carry over into postseason play. Their teammates are more confident, assertive, competitive, hardnosed, and healthier because of them.

If you don't think Probert and Kocur played an enormous role in keeping the dogs off Yzerman for all those yrs..

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

The Skins ignored the draft altogether. And that seems to be the philosophy that some of you would have McPhee employ.
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this is the type of "absolutism" Rhino referred to. When some of us mention issues with McPhee's drafting, it doesn't mean that we want him to simply ignore the draft. There's oceans of discrepancy there. Maybe having a more balanced approach, maybe targeting certain types (i.e. strong role players) more in the middle to late rounds. Maybe doing a tad more in free agency and trades.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Check out the Phantom Fireworks website:

http://www.fireworks.com/

There's a location just after I-83 crosses into PA from MD. You can buy firecrackers and other big boomers in PA. Also, many states in the Midwest have huge fireworks warehouses, so you might have some luck upon arrival.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 29, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

CStanton1:

I assume you are familiar with Phantom fireworks? If you are going to be traveling the Midwest, you will be in their main zone. Decent, middle of the road stuff. Not professional, but decent.

If not, Google is your friend...

Posted by: jdhoover | July 29, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

"That being said, do you really feel the moves made by GMGM at last years deadline helped the team? I certainly do not, now a couple years ago with Cooke, Feds, Huet obviously it helped.......just hope to never see the garbage that was done last deadline again! CORVO=BLAH!!"

Yes, the trade deadline has been a hit or miss with the Caps(in '08 it was a homerun, in '10 not so much), as it is with all GMs.

Look at the Pens: Two years ago they acquire Guerin(great pickup) then last year they acquire Ponikarovsky (absolute failure).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

The concept of getting rid of him for a solid 2C makes no sense to me. We need both, they kind of work together. A Flash-Fehr-2C line wont be even remotely as potent as a Semin-2C-Fehr line.
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whoa, who said that Flash gets to stay simply by virtue of Semin getting traded? I don't want Flash on the team period. And if Semin got dealt for a strong 2nd line center and a dman, then you can still deal Flash and get a different type of player for the 2nd line. Another option is you can throw Laich on the 2nd line LW depending on the type of center we get.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

Check out the Phantom Fireworks website:

http://www.fireworks.com/

There's a location just after I-83 crosses into PA from MD. You can buy firecrackers and other big boomers in PA. Also, many states in the Midwest have huge fireworks warehouses, so you might have some luck upon arrival.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 29, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

CStanton1:

I assume you are familiar with Phantom fireworks? If you are going to be traveling the Midwest, you will be in their main zone. Decent, middle of the road stuff. Not professional, but decent.

If not, Google is your friend...

Posted by: jdhoover | July 29, 2010 2:21 PM


That was weird!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

cstanton: One reason why maybe on trading SDR, I don't know, is Caps are near the top in NHL-level contracts. It's 50 per team and I think they are 45 or 46. So, there's not much room to bring in w/o moving off. Also, looking two-three years down the road, the thinking might be that Pinner and/or AGordo will fill that role.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 2:26 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, i dont doubt that probert/kocur helped steve y just like semenko helped gretz. but totally different era's. imo.

if the presence of an enforcer is needed to help players play with more confidence, then we need new players or those players need life coaches. i dont think anything enforcers do during the regular season makes any difference in the playoffs. in fact, it may hurt the team in the sense that if a skill guy feels like he's got more freedom in the regular season due to the fact that he's got a goon on his bench, that's not going to help him much in the post season where the ice is smaller and play is more physical.

these days, enforcers like king may help keep other enforcers from making runs at guys like green and semin cause for fear that our enforcer will run their skill guys. thats about it other than some message sending through staged fights with the other teams enforcer. entertaining? yes. critical to a teams success? no.

maybe king will show some skills beyond just tossing hands and policing the ice. providing an effective forecheck and winning battles on the boards. i dont know enough about him (plus hes been hurt) to say whether he's got that skill. i hope so. otherwise, i dont view this as a meaningful move one way or the other. he may help vs. rangers and flyers, but i dont view him as someone who's going to make the team materially better.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 29, 2010 2:28 PM | Report abuse

thanks for the tips guys, i guess great minds think alike. I've been checking out the Phantom site today. They're also Google's #1 site for fireworks so that may have something to do with it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

this is the type of "absolutism" Rhino referred to. When some of us mention issues with McPhee's drafting, it doesn't mean that we want him to simply ignore the draft. There's oceans of discrepancy there. Maybe having a more balanced approach, maybe targeting certain types (i.e. strong role players) more in the middle to late rounds. Maybe doing a tad more in free agency and trades.
Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:19 PM

Just because the Skins absolutely ignored the draft, that doesn't mean I was being absolutist ;-)

I qualified my statement with "some of you guys" want ... ... ...

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 29, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Also, looking two-three years down the road, the thinking might be that Pinner and/or AGordo will fill that role.
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That role ideally should be filled by more than one player if possible. Currently, after dumping SDR, the only prospects we have that sort of play like him is Bruess and Garrett Mitchell. Bruess embodies some of the agitating aspect (and you're correct so does Pinner), and Mitchell embodies the actual fighting ability.

put it this way. If McPhee was better at his job, he'd have found a way to unearth a few DJK's along the way without giving up anything to get em. This is basic stuff. Philly at one point was 5 or 6 deep in that regard - Josh Gratton, Fedoruk, Cote, Tristan Grant, Josh Beaulieu. In fact, I can think of about 15-18 teams off the top of my head who wouldn't have to go outside their org to fill that need with a capable 4th line player who kept it simple and did his job. And I'm not talkin about big oafs who can barely skate.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

posts here are amazing compared to Yahoo...
@SeminAllOVertheIce - yay, another one who appreciates #28. Maybe this is his breakout year. For my money, I take him over Kovalchuk (but not for more than $6 per)

About King - the Caps didn't lack an enforcer last year. "Enforcers" don't play in the playoffs, thus, that lack didn't signify in their loss to the smaller, more speedy Canadiens. But they do play in the reg. season and last year the Caps had one of the best NHL regular season campaigns on record.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | July 29, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

From James Mirtle:

Tim Kennedy was awarded $1-million in arbitration, a raise from the $635,000. The Sabres were hoping to get Kennedy in the $600k to $800k range and refused settlement of less than $900k prior to arbitration.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

Another thought on the King acquisition - don't you have to possess a PK that is at least adequate to make things work with a guy like King? He is definitely going to leave the Caps short-handed on a regular basis.

If Tarik asks BB about the PK for next year, and BB responds that "the system is fine, the players just need to stick to the system better," we will know we are screwed.

Posted by: zmega | July 29, 2010 2:43 PM | Report abuse

cstanton...I still dont get why you would trade Semin. Paired with a decent 2C for a season, we are looking at having 2 50 goal scorers that season (Ovie & Semin), and possibly another 100 pt center. In essence, 2 first lines. I think we agree on sending Flash packing. I also think we agree we need a 2C and a dman. I dont like the idea of shipping away an elite sniper to clear some space for a dman. Make room via some current pylons on d. With our roughly 3.3 in cap available, trade Flash and there is $2.6 in cap room more. We are at 5.9 available. Thats quite a bit of coin to gain a 2C and a dman. If not, trade Erskine or Sloan somewhere for picks/pucks (and I dont hate Erskine, just dont see him as our best choice) and that frees up another approx. 1 mil.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

maybe king will show some skills beyond just tossing hands and policing the ice. providing an effective forecheck and winning battles on the boards. i dont know enough about him (plus hes been hurt) to say whether he's got that skill
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if you know players like Brad Winchester, Zack Stortini, Krys Barch, Fedoruk etc, that's the kinda game that DJK brings. Boudreau once called David Koci an absolute disgrace to hockey because he had no abilities and just skated around trying to hurt players (of course this was after Koci pasted Greenie into the endboards). But he'd have probably said the same thing about King if it'd been King who hit Green instead of Koci. At 6ft4 230, King is a big bruiser. And a dime a dozen player who given the right opportunity can give you some hardnosed physical hockey for several shifts a game. Will he get that opportunity given the fact that he's going to a team that looks at his type with a lot of disdain? Doubt it. The first time he takes a 5 min major for boarding, he'll get a one way tkt to the Russian front.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between using a 7th round draft pick from 2008 in a trade to acquire a young encoforcer who makes $625k or drafting an enforcer with that 7th round pick from 2008 and calling him up.

Either way, there is one inexpensive enforcer playing on the Caps. Who cares who "brought him up".

GMGM turned a 7th round pick in 2008 into a player who will be playing in the NHL this year. Most 7th round draft picks do not make the NHL, and most(maybe all) 7th round picks from 2008 are not in the NHL yet and will not be in the NHL this year.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: Totally agree that the tough guys that may not get a sweater in the post-season have contributed to the good health of the skilled players heading into the playoffs. What I was getting at is that Montreal had to be chippy because they weren't as skilled but the Caps failed to bury them for their sins. It wasn't a Habs tough guy getting PIMs just an accumulation of lesser skilled guys getting a ton of minors.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 29, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I dont particularly like the idea of trading Semin.

I think he is a key reason why we are a lethal offense team, when we are at our best. And I am not just talking about his 40 goals, the dude has special talent.

Yeah, he has his flaws and can be TREMENDOUSLY aggrevating at times, but I still like the idea of having him on MY team.

So if we do trade him, I want something EARTH SHATTERING in return. And I want to be sure that it doesnt make sense to resign him.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@zmega

I've always been of the mindset that you don't adjust your style of play because your PK sucks. You address the PK units and system aggressively just so you don't have to play a more conservative non-aggressive style because you're tentative about taking penalties. Tentative teams don't win squat.


-- "the system is fine, the players just need to stick to the system better," we will know we are screwed.--

lmao

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

What's the difference between using a 7th round draft pick from 2008 in a trade to acquire a young encoforcer who makes $625k or drafting an enforcer with that 7th round pick from 2008 and calling him up.
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sgm, i can poke holes in your points all day long. Its not just any 7th round pick, its a decent prospect. Would you trade Zetterberg for DJ King? Why wouldn't ya considering where Zetterberg was drafted. And don't tell me that Z is better than SDR. Of course he is, but I'm not the one attempting to validate the trade by pointing out where a prospect was drafted.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

So if we do trade him, I want something EARTH SHATTERING in return. And I want to be sure that it doesnt make sense to resign him.
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can I suggest Joe Corvo.

'He was our top target, we identified him, and by jove we got him!'

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, thats why i doubt king gets into a ton of games. he's there for games against the rags, flyers, bolts, etc. teams who may be known to take liberties. fortunately, the caps should be able to win game even with a guy at the end of the bench who takes 4 shifts a game. and i dont think this team has disdain for such play. they employed donald brashear for several years, after all. they tried to go a different direction last year mostly due to salary cap issues at the beginning of the season. again, its not like that strategy failed in the regular season.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 29, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

you keep bringin up corvo and ur gonna make me cry

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

WILL SOMEONE AT THIS RAG PLEASE TAKE THAT PICTURE OF CROSBY OFF THE SIGHT RIGHT NOW!?!

Christ, I can't be the only one annoyed by this.

Posted by: TBDog | July 29, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

@fanock

I actually agreed with most of your previous post. I can't find it now because this damn blog is longer than the constitution. But yes, agreed on most of the points you've made today.

re: the Habs - I don't think they necessarily outgritted us in any significant way. Thats not why we lost the series. We failed (besides the PP) to really lean on them with our weight. Our forecheck was inconsistent and ineffective for the most part. They could barely get out of their own end when they played the Flyers without getting pasted. Even in the neutral zone the Flyers played them very tight. Against us, they just skated around at free will.

I think however, had we played a more physical team like the Bs or Flyers, our team's grit issues would have been clearly exposed.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Yes Zetterberg, a multi-time all-star, gold medal winning, Conn Smythe winning player is similar to a guy who has played a total of 2 AHL games in his career.

You are sooooo adorable when you try to argue things.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, thats why i doubt king gets into a ton of games. he's there for games against the rags, flyers, bolts, etc. teams who may be known to take liberties. fortunately, the caps should be able to win game even with a guy at the end of the bench who takes 4 shifts a game
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imo bad idea to restrict him to such limited ice time. He can't get into the flow of a game and he's more than just a fighter. On a different team he can pull down 10+ shifts. And that ice time has less to do with the talent level on that team than it does with the coaching/mgmt philosophy. When the Leafs signed Orr, they wanted him to get 3rd and 4th line duty and thats what he got. Even if Toronto ends up fielding a vastly talented squad in the future, a guy like Orr will still see significant ice time. Thats because Brian Burke believes that those types of players need to play more than a token shift here and there to be effective.

DJ King can't do a lot of enforcing from the bench. Most teams who employ part time tough guys end up getting little value out of them.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

GMGM may not have wanted an enforcer but the players certainly did. Last year Chris Clark said he felt more comfortable on ice with Brash just sitting on the bench drinking coffee and reading the paper. And when Steckel and Brads were discussing GMGM's decision to go with "team toughness" instead of a Brash type player with Tarik, neither seemed too thrilled.

I don't care why GMGM changed his stance, it is a good first step. Too many overvalue prospects until they become Chris Bourque. The rebuild started in 2004 when Ovi was drafted, not Alzner, Johannson, or SDR. It's time to stop hoarding all the nuts and get a few pieces that can help this year. I only hope this is the beginning of toughing up the 2010-2011 roster and not the end.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 29, 2010 3:14 PM | Report abuse

2)Caps player moves aren't our decisions to make, but as a multi-year STH I reserve the right to call him on his actions. McPee is using some of my cash to do what he does.

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 1:43 PM

@doughless:

Not quite. To be precise, once you pay your money for those season tickets, that money is no longer yours, nor are any "rights" attendant to having that money (emphasis mine).

Those season tickets, OTOH, are yours to do with however you see fit.

You can use them...or not.
You can sell them...or not.
You can renew them...or not.
Whatever flips your cookies.

My point is that the only real "rights" you can reserve "as a multi-year STH" are basically limited to how you choose to use those tickets.

I'm not saying you don't have a right to be upset or to voice your opinion about how things should be done in Caps-land.

I am, however, saying that your status as a "multi-year STH" has no bearing on that right--it neither enhances nor abridges that right.

You can afford season tickets. How nice.

I hate to break it to you, düüüde, but buying season tickets is not the same thing as holding a legal ownership stake in the team.

The latter may carry with it some of the decision-making power that the former definitely does not...

The latter is yours until you sell it...the former has a specific shelf-life.

The latter may entitle you to share in the team's financial profitability...the former cannot.

The latter also costs somewhat more than the former.

Bottom line: Aside from certain side-benefits (e.g., access to special events), the only thing that buying season tickets means is that because you bought a whole season's worth of home-game tickets at once, the team gave you a discount from the single-game price of those tickets.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Yes Zetterberg, a multi-time all-star, gold medal winning, Conn Smythe winning player is similar to a guy who has played a total of 2 AHL games in his career.

You are sooooo adorable when you try to argue things.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

hey sgm, i thought your brilliant argument was predicated on WHERE SDR was drafted. And those were the only parameters you used to prove what a cheap acquisition King turned out to be. Now you're subverting as usual.

Can someone pls point out to sgm how dimwitted he is. I'm getting tired of doing it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

me: And don't tell me that Z is better than SDR. Of course he is, but I'm not the one attempting to validate the trade by pointing out WHERE a prospect was drafted

sgm: Yes Zetterberg, a multi-time all-star, gold medal winning, Conn Smythe winning player is similar to a guy who has played a total of 2 AHL games in his career.

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now do you see how stupid you are?

You are sooooo adorable when you try to argue things.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

wasn't henrik lundquist like a 8th round pick or something

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

I only hope this is the beginning of toughing up the 2010-2011 roster and not the end.
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ablake, if DJ holds true to form (as he's done the previous 2 yrs), he'll get hurt in the first game and then McPhee will have to send another touted prospect to another team for another tough guy. And then sgm will educate all of us on how a player drafted in the 7th round is always less valuable than a DJ King type.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

@rhino40

my guess is you are a lawyer...

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

i second the motion to remove that terrible picture.

happy with the king move. i loved the idea of delly, but we need someone who can drop the gloves now, not in 3 years. watch a few of his fights on youtube, you can't help but like this guy.

id like to get some more grit. arron asham would be nice. he did have 4 goals in the playoffs. would be a great 4th line player.

Posted by: brian58 | July 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

GMGM may not have wanted an enforcer but the players certainly did. Last year Chris Clark said he felt more comfortable on ice with Brash just sitting on the bench drinking coffee and reading the paper. And when Steckel and Brads were discussing GMGM's decision to go with "team toughness" instead of a Brash type player with Tarik, neither seemed too thrilled.
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I can remember 2 or 3 other players (Gordo, Laich) who also mentioned Brashear's departure with a lot of regret in their tone. McPhee ignored his own team's thoughts and vibes about losing that role. I guess maybe someone knocked the earwax out of his head this offseason.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:23 PM | Report abuse

@_stevo:

Nope...just an average guy with (perhaps) an above-average understanding of the law.

Seriously, I wish I made that kind of money.

Then maybe I, too, could afford season tickets.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

You pointed out how terrible it is that GMGM couldn't grow his own enforcers and how he had to resort to trading for one. You also point out how awful it is that GMGM doesn't draft enough enforcers.

My point is there is no difference between if he drafted an enforcer, in replacement of SDR, who is at King's skill level now and selecting SDR and trading him at this point for King.

This is because SDR is a recent 7th draft pick who is viewed as a mid-level prospect who has only accomplished playing in 2 AHL games so far. He is viewed as having as good of a shot of never playing in the NHL as playing in more than 20 games in his career(look at ablakes CBourque analogy).

So he has accomplished nothing and is not viewed in high regards as a prospect (i.e. a John Carlson).

Therefore Zetterberg(or any other player who has accomplished anything in the NHL) is not an applicable comparison.

I apologize for thinking you would be able to pick this up. My apologies for not being more clear.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 3:30 PM | Report abuse

forget asham, he'll command more money than GM would be willing to pay. He could've had Asham last offseason but chose not to pursue him. Asham has been available for the better part of 8 yrs. I remember him with the Habs and Islanders. But too often the Caps recognize these types after they're already making too much money and have hit the "veteran tough guy" status. Asham has been a potential quality 3rd liner for many many yrs now. Instead of looking for Asham, go find a cheaper version of him. i.e. mike brown, i.e. brad staubitz, i.e. brandon prust, i.e rick rypien

these guys are out there. You just have to know how to identify them before they turn into expensive players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@Rhino40

I liked your rundown on the ownership thing. That was well said.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

You pointed out how terrible it is that GMGM couldn't grow his own enforcers and how he had to resort to trading for one. You also point out how awful it is that GMGM doesn't draft enough enforcers.

My point is there is no difference between if he drafted an enforcer, in replacement of SDR, who is at King's skill level now and selecting SDR and trading him at this point for King.
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there IS a difference. He didn't trade a future 7th rounder for him. He traded a current 7th rounder who is considered one of the best late round picks he's ever made. And even if SDR isn't a top line prospect, he's certainly considered to have the potential to be a 3rd line prospect who can provide a lot of intangibles this team desperately needs. And as a 3rd liner, he'll be more immune to getting benched if he takes an aggressive penalty here and there.

And what you wrote was this:
"What's the difference between using a 7th round draft pick from 2008 in a trade to acquire a young encoforcer who makes $625k or drafting an enforcer with that 7th round pick from 2008 and calling him up."

basically implying that WHERE SDR was drafted was the only criteria to be used to judge this trade.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3:

Thank you.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@rhino40

my guess is you are a lawyer...

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 3:21 PM

I thought he was a veternarian.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

There are a lot of good prospects sitting in Hershey that will never get a chance with the big club because GMGM won't make space. SDR would've joined a long line of guys that end up leaving the organization because they were never going to get a shot. This is not an ideal trade, but the Caps got back a much needed player. If GMGM trades a few of the bottom 6 guys and maybe one of Alzner/Schultz for a few more tough, skilled players, this team will be in a good position.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 29, 2010 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@stevo

I was thinking, and meaning, Henrik Zetterberg when I wrote it, if I wrote Lundqvist then I mixed up the Swedish Henriks.

But Lundqvist was drafted in the 7th round too.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

The Caps correctly identified a need to get more physical up front, the question is whether the team had to settle for a player who has missed most of the past 2 years with injuries and has such a limited offensive game.

I would have preferred a physical forward who can battle in the corners but show some ability to handle the puck and contribute with perhaps 10 goals and 15-20 assists.

King seems to be a classic fighter.

I don't know if that kind of player really has a place anymore in today's game.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 29, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I thought he was a veternarian.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 3:40 PM

@Tominsocal1:

Now what gave you that idea?

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

if SDR was considered to be a highly rated gem , would you still make the same simplistic argument that there is no difference between using a 7th round prospect to trade for a tough guy and using a 7th round pick to draft and develop the tough guy?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

the only thing that buying season tickets means is that because you bought a whole season's worth of home-game tickets at once, the team gave you a discount from the single-game price of those tickets.

Nothing more. Nothing less.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:15 PM

Seriously, I wish I made that kind of money.

Then maybe I, too, could afford season tickets.

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:25 PM

Too bad, because then you would also know that we get cool red jackets also...in lieu of determining who plays for the Caps.

Because I too am no lawyer, but I am pretty certain that ANYONE can voice their dislike about moves/transactions on a blog. Not just STHs. Incoming google search..........nah on second thought I will just assume I am right and go with that.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

why do people insist on nit picking?? Rhino, thanks for the legal lesson, but I know all of that. This is a blog and I was trying to point out to some of the holier-than-thou crowd here (who act like they are the only true fans and probably do not have season tickets), that I am not a troll (as some dimwit commented).

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

@SeminAllOverTheIce:

Touché!

(pronounced 2-SHAY)

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Aside King’s odds of staying healthy, he seems to be the real deal; I like this deal.
I think the Cap’s experiment of going without an enforcer last season clearly didn’t go as GMGM expected. Ovie had to step up for the team a few times and we all know how that worked out and how it damaged Ovie’s reputation.
Like already some had mentioned, this probably means Erskine is gone and Perrault and Johansson would be regulars. Probably Chimera would be the one to alternate with King on most occasions depending on the opponent team.
Don’t you guys think DJ King sounds like a name a cheesy wedding’s disk jockey would use?

Posted by: guer_j | July 29, 2010 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I would have preferred a physical forward who can battle in the corners but show some ability to handle the puck and contribute with perhaps 10 goals and 15-20 assists.

King seems to be a classic fighter.

I don't know if that kind of player really has a place anymore in today's game.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | July 29, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

agreed, the preferred player would be a guy like Hartnell or even a lesser version of him. Guys who play an abrasive style on the 2nd and 3rd lines would probably get more leeway to take a few PIMs without getting their ice time cut on this team. Unless of course it led to a loss because our PK sucks and then Bruce would publicly vilify the player thus neutering his effectiveness.

But guys like King do have a place in this game. Maybe not on the Caps. But there are very similarly talentless players who perform a role on their respective teams. Stortini has developed over the past 3 seasons from a joke of a fighter to a guy who lays effective heavy hits and can now do some of the policing for the Oilers.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 3:53 PM | Report abuse

King = a foward. Lumberjack = d-man

Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

If you don't think Probert and Kocur played an enormous role in keeping the dogs off Yzerman for all those yrs.
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For damn sure I do, not to mention how they helped Federov [Feds also knew "Vlad the Impaler' always had his back, no matter what], Hull, Kozlov, Lidstrom, etc. - and not surprisingly, all those guys played tougher as a result. And won multiple Cups in the process.

I like this trade - and I say that, having been prepared to dislike SDR [well maybe not dislike so much, but more not believe the hype] but then I saw SDR at Kettler in camp, and he was one of my hands-down favorites [along with Kuznetzov and I gotta plug Orlov, speed kills and that kid can freaking fly [plus he's built like a fireplug, wide as he is tall]].

I don't know that I believe SDR really fell in Caps' higher-ups' estimation, or if there's a little bet-hedging / CYA going on with mgmt, in case things don't work out. Wouldn't be the first time [on many teams, I'd hasten to add].

But, John Davidson's no dummy, and you gotta give something to get something. If DJ really is as tough as they say - and if he not only took on but also bloodied Boogard, that sounds pretty good to me - it's probably a wise move. I may not know a ton about fighters, admittedly - but I do know that true NHL heavyweights are very, very rare.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 29, 2010 3:57 PM | Report abuse

cstanton-i'm all for the bargain 3rd or 4th liner, but i want somebody who can give some offensive production too. all of these guys you listed had less than 10 points. Now, asham only had 14, but he also had 7 in the playoffs.

Posted by: brian58 | July 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@doughless:

I did not call you a troll.

Please see the opening paragraphs of my post time-stamped 1:34 PM today:

@All: Let's please stop trying to make this about who was right or wrong, and who is a troll or hypocrite or liar or whatever. If I wanted that, I could always go over to the political blogs.


Instead, let's please focus on what this means for the Caps, OK? And no absolutism allowed, either.


Respectfully,
Das Rhino

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 4:03 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Yes, if SDR was viewed as the next Orr, Gretzky, or Lemuiex then I would say it would be unwise to trade him for DJ King.

But trading a recent 7th rounder who is viewed as SDR is(a mid-level prospect, again please refer to ablake's recent posts as he spells it out well), then there is no difference in trading for an enforcer or grooming one. Either way, you end up with a young enforcer(although a trade guarantees that you get an enforcer capable of playing in the NHL). So a trade may be the best way to go.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Just throwing it out there, and really hate to "nit pick" but...

"This is a blog and I was trying to point out to some of the holier-than-thou crowd here (who act like they are the only true fans and probably do not have season tickets), that I am not a troll (as some dimwit commented)."
Posted by: doughless | July 29, 2010 3:49 PM

Owning season tickets doesn’t make you more of a fan than someone that does not own them. That just means you decided to spend some of your disposable income that way. Perhaps, just perhaps, there are some super fans that don’t make that much money or travel too often or cant make the time commitment due to family, etc etc. The lists of reasons for not owning season tickets is aplenty, but do not necessarily correlate with who is the bigger fan.

Again, just putting it out there. Because I can guarantee that some of the d-bag people that were throwing things on the ice at our own team after Game 7 last year were season ticket holders, and anyone who throws things at their own team is not a fan in my book.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | July 29, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

@ Timbo_1

Great post as always! I think adding a few physical players will help Flash, Semin, and the young guys improve their play.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 29, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

cstanton-i'm all for the bargain 3rd or 4th liner, but i want somebody who can give some offensive production too. all of these guys you listed had less than 10 points. Now, asham only had 14, but he also had 7 in the playoffs.

Posted by: brian58 | July 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

those kids can grow into those roles. Everyone likes to pigeonhole young players based on their early point productions but you can always get at least 10-15 more points out of that type of player if you develop him. Darcy Tucker was exactly this type of player when he first came up with Montreal and Tampa. Never got a chance to show what he could do until he got to Toronto. Brandon Prust already proved in his short stint with the Rangers that he was more than a 4th line tough guy.

Some teams are better at developing these types than other teams are. I don't need to draw you a picture.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Rhino...

YOU ARE ON A ROLL TODAY.

...or should I say a charge?

Either way, either stop posting right now and savor the REP...or continue to post and risk saying something dumb.

...if I were you I would ask Tom to recommend a nice vintage of vino and enjoy the rest of the day!

BRAVO!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ablake70 - that is absolutely my hope, we shall see. I will say I always felt like Peter Forsberg never had a true enforcer after Simon left. Maybe just coincidence who knows, but I do know that the injuries really started piling up shortly thereafter.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 29, 2010 4:19 PM | Report abuse

But, John Davidson's no dummy, and you gotta give something to get something. If DJ really is as tough as they say - and if he not only took on but also bloodied Boogard, that sounds pretty good to me - it's probably a wise move. I may not know a ton about fighters, admittedly - but I do know that true NHL heavyweights are very, very rare.
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i'd call King a capable fighter, in the vein of a Jody Shelley. He's not dominating. Every fighter has his day and King did well against Boogey. But he's also lost to fighters who have lost to Boogey. So all in all, he's middle of the pack when it comes to NHL heavies. He'll be able to hold his own against guys like Shawn Thornton, Konopka etc. And then lose some win some against guys like LeBlond, Shelley. More often than not he'll lose to Boogey. I think he's fought him 4 or 5 times now and come out on the losing end. But he'll always have issues with players who have such a long reach advantage (incl a John Scott).


The guy I want to see him fight is Orr. Both fight pretty wide open and Orr is probably the most dangerous fighter in hockey if you fight that open style with him. His punching power is sick.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 29, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Thanks ablake70 - that is absolutely my hope, we shall see. I will say I always felt like Peter Forsberg never had a true enforcer after Simon left. Maybe just coincidence who knows, but I do know that the injuries really started piling up shortly thereafter
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great point. Simon was a key member of that team (as was Deadmarsh who was best friends with Forsberg)

After Simon left and later when Deader got dealt, Forsberg's abuse factor went up tenfold. Guys like Derian Hatcher, Craig Ludwig and Matvichuk took some huge shots at Forsberg. He missed a lot of games as a direct result of very questionable aggressive hits.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

i'd call King a capable fighter, in the vein of a Jody Shelley. He's not dominating. Every fighter has his day and King did well against Boogey. But he's also lost to fighters who have lost to Boogey. So all in all, he's middle of the pack when it comes to NHL heavies. He'll be able to hold his own against guys like Shawn Thornton, Konopka etc. And then lose some win some against guys like LeBlond, Shelley. More often than not he'll lose to Boogey. I think he's fought him 4 or 5 times now and come out on the losing end. But he'll always have issues with players who have such a long reach advantage (incl a John Scott).
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So safe to say though he's an upgrade fighting-wise from Brads then, I take it.

I mean don't get me wrong - the guy's got huge, huge heart, courage and is tough as nails, but yikes were some of those bouts hard to watch.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 29, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@Doughless
I called you a troll for your "homers" rant. You have since made logical points. But insulting optimistic fans is a very troll thing to do

Posted by: Chewbacca22 | July 29, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I like this trade - and I say that, having been prepared to dislike SDR [well maybe not dislike so much, but more not believe the hype] but then I saw SDR at Kettler in camp, and he was one of my hands-down favorites [along with Kuznetzov and I gotta plug Orlov, speed kills and that kid can freaking fly [plus he's built like a fireplug, wide as he is tall]].

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but yet somehow the buzz is that SDR has reached his peak and didn't impress anyone at camp. Go figure.

@sgm

your arguments in favor of this trade are of course in the present. If you could honestly go back a few days, would you have been in favor of a trade like this. Be honest. Would you have accepted a player who has played 13 NHL games in 2 seasons, zero goals, 1 point, and on the surface looks like nothing but your less-than-average goon. Would you have accepted trading away SDR who by most accounts looked good in camp (forget where he was drafted, that's 100% irrelevant to his potential).

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:33 PM | Report abuse

btw, fyi, lol

the Bears just signed a kid that I think is one of those dime-a-dozen guys very similar to DJ King. Except he's even more aggressive. Guy by the name of Joel Rechlicz who had an decent NHL preseason showing last yr with the Isles. And the Bears got him without giving anything up.

ok maybe Rechlicz is a hair below DJ King in the fighting dept. But still a tough aggressive kid. He tattooed Mike Rupp last yr, no easy feat. And did decently against Brashear, no easy feat for a young kid to fight a strong experienced Brash.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:40 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

no way the bears just signed recker? any idea on the contract 1-way/2-way?

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

and i meant no way, in a good way. not, no they didn't

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

question for the folks who know how contracts work..

The Isles signed Rechlicz to a 3 yr entry level deal in May of 2008.

Now less than 3 yrs later, he signs with the Bears.

Does that mean the Isles bought him out?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

I would like to see some bad fights by DJ, anybody got a link?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

More on Asham from http://twitter.com/nhlsourcessay...

"...2 West Conf. teams in on Asham (Van, Edm) but he wants to stay in East; Tampa, Sabres, Panthers and a mystery team are on the top right now..."

Habs also rumored to be interested in bringing him back...

http://www.hendrickshockey.net/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2992:hendricks-saysrumors-728&catid=40:the-rumors&Itemid=86

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 29, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

he got unconditionally released by the Isles earlier this month.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

@wtf_e_fehr

you can see his whole body of work...

www.hockeyfights.com

Posted by: _stevo | July 29, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

yep, recker is now a Bear. Along with Ashton Rome (who I think was an excellent addition last yr)

This is reckver v erskine 2 yrs ago. Very sportsmanlike gesture at the end.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LmXV3p_fs3I&feature=player_embedded#!

and this is Rech handing it to Riley Cote. Strong left, good reach.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9sHOj8mRxc&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:50 PM | Report abuse

thanks Pat.

I wonder if that means he got paid his full contract or not. Or can you just release a player from an entry level contract at any time without paying him the full amt?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

D.J. King fight card (Canadian juniors/AHL/NHL):

http://www.hockeyfights.com/players/801

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 29, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

My response to this trade is basically "eh".

SDR was a mid-level prospect who had a small chance of cracking the Caps roster in the next 2 years and possibly ever. As someone mentioned, this has a lot to do with the amount of talen the Caps have on the wings on their team and the lack of holes. Other teams(i.e. Caps in 2005) have more openings.

If someone told me the Caps were going to trade him for a young enforcer(who, from what I've read from various sources, is a top 5 fighter in the NHL) I would say okay. I'm not super excited about it or anything, but I'm fine with it. Especially since King only makes $625k.

Ideally, King can turn into a solid 4th line checking forward. Meaning he develops his forechecking, is disruptive all over the ice, and not a defensive liability. Then he could be useful for drilling the opposing teams defensemen for 8 to 10 minutes a game.

From what I've read, it seems possible that he can develop that and with where the Caps are now as a team, I think it is worth that risk than waiting 3 years for a mid-level prospect(for which the Caps have more than a few of).

At worst, King is just an enforcer who protects some of the Caps players and is fun to watch fight during the regular season.

So I wouldn't have been a big advocate for the trade but I wouldn't have been against it either.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Unconditional waivers have to be agreed to by both parties. If you clear, the rest of the contract is voided and you become a UFA immediately. Im not sure if this only available to players on Entry Level Contracts or not.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 4:55 PM | Report abuse

what i hope king brings to the team is not just his fighting skills, but to allow the other guys on the team to believe they can be more physical.
being a grittier team will take more than just one guy. if everyone feels more comfortable with hitting (if BB allows it) then they will build better habits during the season which should carry over into the playoffs (cstanton1 has covered the habits topic before) and with some luck actually do better in the playoffs.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 29, 2010 4:56 PM | Report abuse

aha! i didn't think he ever had fought Orr but I was wrong. This is the yr that Orr basically dominated the AHL after dominating the WHL. He and McGrattan were leaving bodies in their wake. And then this fight between Orr and King occurred. Check out the fro on the deej

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0e_rqBRrXg

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:58 PM | Report abuse

From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Rechlicz :

July 13, 2010 - Joel Rechlicz had an agreement with the Islanders for a mutual release of his contract for reasons unknown and was put on Unconditional waivers by the Islanders, his last year of his NHL contract was terminated and he became an unrestricated free agent after he cleared waivers on July 14, 2010.

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | July 29, 2010 5:01 PM | Report abuse

i guess after Trevor Gillies got the callup last yr, and Konopka got signed this offseason, the Isles and Recker parted ways.

It'd be nice to actually see the Caps call up Recker (if they can) and have both him AND King in the lineup v the Rags, Flyers, Leafs, and Thrash. That way Bradley doesn't have to fight the middleweights on the other teams (carcillo, prust, byers, mike brown etc). Bradley should never have to fight anyone again unless its a lower middleweight.

And someone earlier had mentioned Chimera..please don't. If you don't think I know anything about the intricacies of hockey, at least give me credit of knowing who the true gritty guys are vs the posers. And Jason Chimera is on the short list for the NHL's biggest poser. He makes Neil Sheehy look like Bob Probert.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

brian burke gets the team toughness concept:

Burke then traded the Leafs’ fifth-round selection to his former team – Anaheim – for tough winger Mike Brown, who appeared in 75 games with the Ducks this past season, registering six goals, one assist, and 106 penalty minutes. “We didn’t get him for shoot-outs,” the GM quipped. “This is a guy that knows how to look after his teammates. The way I like my teams to play, having one guy that likes to do the heavy lifting among the bottom-six forwards doesn’t work for me. He’s handy in a scrap and he can make things happen on the fore-check.”

Brown is expected to make the Leafs next season and ride shot-gun with the club’s prime enforcer, Colton Orr.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

aha! i didn't think he ever had fought Orr but I was wrong. This is the yr that Orr basically dominated the AHL after dominating the WHL. He and McGrattan were leaving bodies in their wake. And then this fight between Orr and King occurred. Check out the fro on the deej

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0e_rqBRrXg

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 4:58 PM

Dats a nice scrap right dere!

:)

Hope there is a rematch!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Kirk:
what i hope king brings to the team is not just his fighting skills, but to allow the other guys on the team to believe they can be more physical.
being a grittier team will take more than just one guy
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this is probably the biggest reason to have a tough guy or two on the team. The ripple effect it can have on the rest of the lineup. But only if that mentality is espoused by the coach. Players know whats expected of them. If the Caps players feel that King is an integral member of the team and that they are expected to raise their physical games and have been provided a buffer like King as protection, then they'll probably do it. Most of em anyway.

But if the Caps players get a sense that King is a fringe, non-essential player, then they'll keep doing what they do, and his fighting and hitting will exist mostly in a vacuum.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This guy obviously has something to prove:


Hey DJ, BTW... Wed, Dec 1 #Caps at #Blues....its ON!

about 22 hours ago via web

CamJanssen55
Cam Janssen

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 29, 2010 5:18 PM | Report abuse

@wtf_e_fehr:

Thanks for the compliment...I think I will--a nice Australian Shiraz or a Pinot Grigio....not sure yet--depends on what's for dinner.

'Bye for now...

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 29, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Simon was a key member of that team (as was Deadmarsh who was best friends with Forsberg)

After Simon left and later when Deader got dealt, Forsberg's abuse factor went up tenfold. Guys like Derian Hatcher, Craig Ludwig and Matvichuk took some huge shots at Forsberg. He missed a lot of games as a direct result of very questionable aggressive hits.
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Outstanding points all-around, both on Deadmarsh [Forsberg supposedly was beside himself with anger when mgmt let Deadmarsh go; very upset and supposedly had to be talked down from going public, very unlike him] and re: Hatcher / Matvichuk [Ludwig was a very tough customer as well but not nearly as just plain dirty as those other two, from what I remember].

Btw I posted this awhile ago, but apparently I'm too profane for this board and it didn't go through, I'm not that asleep at the switch.

Check that, maybe I am - I can't believe I originally forgot to include Deadmarsh. My buddy from home would be so ashamed of me right now, holy crap. He was the one who clued me in to just how valuable a teammate a guy like Deadmarsh was. No wonder Forsberg loved him like a brother.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 29, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

He has played in 13 games the past two seasons in the NHL. This just proves that management does not believe that anyone in Hershey can come into the NHL and fight. That is what DJ King is here for, to fight for the skilled players. Do not get confused with anything else. He is a New NHL goon. He does not score, he fights and gets hurt. What a joke of a signing.

Posted by: backseatreviewer | July 29, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

King is a Beast. Finally GMGM is starting to realize that we need Canadian toughness on this team. Anybody who can bloody the Boogeyman can play on my team.(Boogaard did not return to the game. He was practically the next Probert until that fight.) After watching Steckel and Semin fight, I was embarassed to be a Caps fan. This guy has character and grit. Now, we need to move the "6 passengers" slowly off the team. If we can get another gritty Canadian to replace Flush and his contract, we may have enough grit to win the Cup. GMGM you're starting to win the "haters" back. Good job.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 29, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Max Talbot. We're gonna love seeing you and King on the ice.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 29, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

For those who haven't heard Tarik is moving on from the Caps beat to other duties at the Post. He will still do some Caps stuff but he's covering Gtown basketball, NASCAR and MMA.

Thanks Tarik for the great work you have done and best of luck with the new gig.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Thank you Max Talbot. We're gonna love seeing you and King on the ice.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | July 29, 2010 6:28 PM


That's "Maxie Pad" Talbot, not "Max," if you please.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 29, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

For those who haven't heard Tarik is moving on from the Caps beat to other duties at the Post. He will still do some Caps stuff but he's covering Gtown basketball, NASCAR and MMA.

Thanks Tarik for the great work you have done and best of luck with the new gig.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

Where did you hear this? Why? Who will be covering the Caps? Are we going back to second-class citizen status at the Post?

Posted by: Thisistheyear | July 29, 2010 7:21 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg posted it on twitter. Memo went out to all the post staff. Katie Carrera is the new Caps beat reporter.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Steinberg posted it on twitter. Memo went out to all the post staff. Katie Carrera is the new Caps beat reporter.

Posted by: ThePat | July 29, 2010 7:29 PM

that means a new picture on the caps insider banner

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 29, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

cool, sounds like Tarik will take over for Liz Clarke who usually covers NASCAR and G-town basketball... what will she be doing then?

Posted by: joek443 | July 29, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Thanks to Tarik for his great work covering the Caps. Capitals Insider has been a must read for me due to Tarik. Katie did a good job when she was previously covering the Caps, but will miss Tarik's videos.

Posted by: NovaCath1 | July 29, 2010 7:58 PM | Report abuse

That stinks that Tarik is leaving. I enjoyed reading his stuff and appreciated the many updates he gave.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

It seems to be WP policy to rotate their reporters every few years. I'm sure that keeps things interesting and fresh for the reporters, but I would like to have the Post leave them in place to develop more expertise. It takes time to develop contacts, e.g. people within team administration who will talk off the record. This is especially important regarding the Caps, because GMGM has a CIA mentality about providing information. I bet in Toronto they don't move their hockey writers every few years to cover the CFL (I could be wrong on this, but I doubt it). Washington won't be a real hockey town until we have media that can provide inside information about the league and especially the Caps.

Posted by: zmega | July 29, 2010 8:30 PM | Report abuse

That stinks that Tarik is leaving. I enjoyed reading his stuff and appreciated the many updates he gave.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 29, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

Tarek did a great job but it would also have been good if you would have asked the "tough" questions every once in awhile to either BB or GMGM, such as why the Caps didn't make enough adjustments in this year's playoffs or why the Caps have not gone out and got a good defensive defenseman since David Poile was GM.

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 29, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't assume that Tarik hasn't asked the hard questions, but he probably didn't get much in the way of answers. There are any number of fundamental questions that are discussed here every day and about which it would be very interesting to know what Caps management really think. Are they pursing a veteran center and a physical d-man? Are system changes planned in response to the playoff failure (PK is at the top of my wish list)? Do they think they need to acquire more "grit," or is King all that is planned? Think back to the Nylander soap opera and how little information was available on that. There's a lot of in depth reporting that needs to be done but it's going to be hard to get much useful information, especially for someone who is new to the job.

Posted by: zmega | July 29, 2010 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Boo that Tarik is leaving. If Mike Wise is taking over as the Caps Insider, I will never return to this blog.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 29, 2010 9:28 PM | Report abuse

katie carrera? what the

even the writers who cover this team are soft. we need to get more grit at the journalist position. Ridiculous

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

@timbo

Deadmarsh was definitely one of those indispensable chemistry guys. As much talent as he had, his character was thru the roof. There were a lot of tougher players than Deadmarsh, but none more mentally tough. The 2 Adams - Deader and Foote. They were the engine that drove that Avs team. You watch some of those old tapes and the work that those 2 guys put in is amazing. Chris Simon mentioned Deadmarsh as the best teammate he ever played with. And this is after he played with Hunter.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

katie carrera? what the

even the writers who cover this team are soft. we need to get more grit at the journalist position. Ridiculous

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 29, 2010 9:42 PM | Report abuse

we need more like Fachet and Fay...

Posted by: joek443 | July 29, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh great, they take Tarik from the insider and give us a teeny bopping Pens fan... genius!!!!!!

Katie Carrera
Ohio University
Reporter, Sports

I grew up in Greensburg, Pa., a quintessential suburban town roughly half an hour east of Pittsburgh where my chemical engineer parents passed on a knack for problem solving and a love of sports.

Posted by: RickyBobby | July 29, 2010 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow, looks like this may be the beginning of the end to this blog. I refuse to follow some closet Pens fan reporting on the Caps.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 29, 2010 10:26 PM | Report abuse

@LloydChristmas:

Agreed - at least we knew Tarik grew up here in DC and was a fan. I think he once said he played hockey with Jeff Halpern as a kid.

And don't we have enough Pens trolls on here anyway? Maybe CStanton is Katie!

Posted by: Thisistheyear | July 29, 2010 10:33 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Good luck in your position. At least you're still in the Washington Post family, so to speak. And probably still available for consultation and mentorship to Katie Carrera.

We'll miss you here on Capitals Insider.

Katie, welcome to CI, full time. At least you've filled in for us before.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 29, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I am so sick of hearing supposed to be die hard caps fans complaining, while still renewing their season ticket plans. You fail to recognize the affect not having an enforcer had on ovechkin last yr. Instead of getting a top 5 fighter for practicly nothing you want Mcphee to dive into free agency when no one gd is left. Not to mention we had the best camp in yrs. Means one last time the captain would have to go after someone for a cheap hit on someone , when Bettman foams at the mouth ready to suspend the best player in hockey. Also, to all who boo please give your seats up too . Most of you all were not their to cheer the caps on when we were lucky to make the playoffs. People since Leonsis/Mchpee took over caps/ and hershey we have won 3/5 calder cups. One of these 3 prospect goalies will become a star- John Carlson is Mike Green without the bad defense otherwise he and Alzner would not have been ++35's in hershey this season/ and their line 1st time together gave up least shots on goal all season in game 7 (16). We have much to look forward too considering our best defender sat out that game too. Do, the die hards a favor and buy redskins/wizards season tickets if you want to complain 24/7 and then you really your $ will go to real poorly managed teams . Not ones who break 20 franchise records before we had defense/ dependable goalie like we will in the yrs to come. Maybe, then you all would realize how blessed we are to have a GM who has 9 scouts working for him and drafts brilliantly every season. I will sit in your seat in watch Ovee bring 3 or more cups to D.C. before retires. because, fans ignorance shows to be bliss by Gretzy the greatest of all time following the same path Ovee has. And he did not have one of the greatest centers to ever step foot on ice. Wake up Washington or you can be skeptics like Mr Wise/Wilbon who rarely watch hockey yet criticized Ovee every chance they could get. Funny, I don't see them saying the same about Lebron even though they our experts in basketall/NBA.

Posted by: wstwd73 | July 30, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

Dana White was signing this guy to the UFC but He is just a genious who turned a company that was bankrupt into a fortune 500 company. DELLA ROVERE-0 POINTS IN 3 PLAYOFF GAMES FOR HERSHEY. CARLSON + 14 IN 1ST PLAYOFF SERIES AS A PRO. THAT SAYS IT ALL BOYS.

Posted by: wstwd73 | July 30, 2010 8:12 AM | Report abuse

Lebron has made it to the Finals which is a LONG way from Ovi and the Caps have gotten... heck I'd be happy with getting outta the 2nd round at this point.

Posted by: joek443 | July 30, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

also all Leonsis and Ted have proven at this point is that they're good at winning at the minor league level... do you really think any fans of the yankees or the red sox would be excited over their AAA teams winning anything??

Posted by: joek443 | July 30, 2010 8:34 AM | Report abuse

ooops I meant Leonsis and GMGM.

Posted by: joek443 | July 30, 2010 8:36 AM | Report abuse

HOW ABOUT MEASURING SUCCESS BY WERE WE WERE 2 AND A HALF YRS AGO BEFORE BOUDREOU TOOK OVER -DEAD LAST 1/2 THROUGH SEASON. THEN WE WIN DIVISION BUT NOW BOUDREOU SHOULD BE FIRED. IN HIS FIRST SEASON WE LOST IN GAME 7 BECAUSE THE FLYERS PHYSICALLY OUT PLAYED US . IN HIS SECOND SEASON WE WERE BEATEN IN GAME 7, BY EVENTUAL CUP WINNERS (POWER PLAYS; CAPS- 9 , PITTSBURGH 26. EVERYONE WHO WATCHED THAT SERIES COMPLAINED ABOUT REFFING. AND WAS IT NOT A COINSIDENCE THAT IN FOUR GAMES BETWEEN PITT/CANES THERE WERE 80SOMETHING PENALTIES CALLED. HUH, COINCEDENCE BEST POWER PLAY TEAM IN LEAGUE BY FAR GETS 24 P.PLAYS. PITTSBURGH, GOT MORE IN BY EITHER GAME 3 0R 4. THAT IS WHY, THE CAPS WENT OUT AND GOT IN ENFORCER, NOT ONE THAT IS OVERPAID EITHOR LIKE BRASHEAR. WHO WANTED CLOSE TO 2 MILLION A YR. AS, FOR THIS YRS. PLAYOFFS A GOALIE BEAT US OTHERWISE I THINK WE EASILY GET TO THE CUP AND LOSE TO THE BLACKHAWKS. YEAH CSTANTON THE GUY WAS SO WEAK THAT D. WHITE WHO MANAGES THE MOST LUCRATIVE COMPANY IN SPORTS WANTED HIM.. DON'T YOU REALIZE HOW VITAL A 4TH LINE ENFORCER IS WHEN OVEE IS THE CAPTAIN AND WAS SUSPENDED 3 TIMES,2 LESS WITH THIS GUY TO COME IN AND DEFEND. WE ALL KNOW BETTMAN AND REFS HAVE IT OUT FOR THE CAPS. ITS OK ALL YOU NO KNOWLEDGE HOCKEY BRAINS WELL SEE WHEN THIS TEAM IS ONE OF THE GREATEST OF ALL TIME. ONCE OVEE TASTES SUCCESS, WE ALL KNOW HE WILL GO CRAZY. AND WHO CAN STOP OUR TOP LINE, PARTICULARILY WITH CARLSON NOW JOINING WHO TO SHOW MY LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE I AM GUARANTEEING ROOKIE OF THE YEAR. 28 GOALS - 46 ASSISTS/ JUST SHY OF 80/ AND PLAYS DEFENSE PASSES BETTER THEN GREEN.. THE VALUE FOR GREEN WE WILL GET HE IS GONE WITHIN 2 YRS UNLESS, HE GETS SOME STRENGTH AS IN GAINS 20+ POUNDS OF MASS. CARLSON PROVEN HE IS A GAME BREAKER WINNING WORLD JUNIOR CHAMP. AND GAME WINNER IN OT IN TEXAS TO GIVE HERSHEY A 3-2 SERIES LEAD AFTER BEING DOWN 2-0. WIN FOUR STRAIGHT ,SO WHO SAYS PERREALT IS NOT OUR SECOND LINE CENTER, POINTS IN 11 STRAIGHT IN ROOKIE YR THEN DEMOTED , WHEN HE RETURNED HE WAS BRILLIANT FOR A ROOKIE LATE IN THE SEASON. THE WAY I SEE IT JOHANSSON OR HE SHOULD WORK OUT JUST FINE . WATCH OUT NHL , THE CAPS ARE SITTING ON A JORDAN/TIGER ERROR . AND DIFFERENCE IS HOCKEY IS HARDER AND MORE DEMANDING, WHICH IS WHY WE WILL BE REWARDED FOR LESSONS JUST LIKE GRETKY!

Posted by: wstwd73 | July 30, 2010 8:48 AM | Report abuse

I guess you people love looking at Crosby

Posted by: TBDog | July 30, 2010 9:01 AM | Report abuse

I like it wstwd73, you are bringing it today! It is about time someone gave some push back to all the negativity here by questionable Caps fans at best.

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 30, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Allright TEB and wp staff;

Its time to post something else now, like the caps just traded for (a top d-man or center or both). Its way over do and time to let the cat out the bag.(... and then i woke up!) a guy can dream cant he.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

MEANS NOTHING WITH NO CAP IN MINORS . HOW MANY CHAMP. WOULD SNIEDER HAVE BY NOW IF HE OWNED THE ORIOLES. THAT IS A COP OUT . YOU KNOW NO ONE HAD ONE 2 CALDER CUPS IN A ROW SINCE 1991 THINK THAT SPEAKS FOR ITSELF. TED AND GEORGE ARE NOT ON THE ICE!

Posted by: wstwd73 | July 30, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Allright TEB and wp staff;

Its time to post something else now, like the caps just traded for (a top d-man or center or both). Its way over do and time to let the cat out the bag.(... and then i woke up!) a guy can dream cant he.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 30, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

I am a long time Blues fan and I can tell you a bit about King.

He is a decent 4th liner can give you 5 to 7 minutes a game and wont be a liability defensively, but he will need the chance. The big thing about him is that he destroys people. He has had a couple of unfortunate injuries the last couple of years but the injuries came during fights he was decidedly winning.

It is a good trade if for no other reason than Boogard being in NY, cause that guy will definitely go after Semin, Backstrom, green and Ovechkin. Boogard is absolutely one of the cheapest players in the league, but at 6'8 few can handle him, but King can stand in there.

I am betting the Caps fan base is gonna really like having Kinger on the roster. I just hope he is over the freak injuries.

Posted by: bamabluesfan | July 30, 2010 9:20 AM | Report abuse

THANKS REILLY , JUST GET SICK OF EVERYONE SHOWING UP THEN NO ONE IS ALL THE SUDDEN OPTIMISTIC. YOUR BLOGS WERE GD TO BRO. JUST SO MANY BANDWAGONERS SOMETIMES IT GETS TIRING ? ALSO PENS FANS FAILING TO NOTICE THAT THEY CLEARLY WERE NOT AS GOOD LAST YR WITHOUT THE 3RD MAN. BUT ALL THEY SAY IS WE HAVE NO DEFEMENSEMAN. CONGRATS TO THEM IN GIVING UP A TOP 5 DE-MAN IN GONCHAR! CROSBY LACKS HEART AND WILL LIKE OVEE- I LIKE A DUDE THAT SAYS SCREW YOU BETTMAN YOU WONT CONTROL MY PLAY. BUT, I THINK OVEE WAS HURT BY OUR FANS NOT STICKING UP FOR HIM BECAUSE HE HAS LAYED EVERYTHING ON THE LINE FOR D.C.-SAME BACKSTROM. AND WE THE FANS AND MEDIA OWE THEM THE SAME RESPECT.

Posted by: wstwd73 | July 30, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

OVEE AND BACKSTROM LEFT NO ROOM FOR SUCKING OUT LIKE LEBRON. AND WE KNOW OVEE WOULD EASILY BE AT 20 A YR IF HE DID NOT COMMIT TO TOWN . ACTS LIKE THIS ARE TO UNCOMMON THESE DAYS . LIKE TARIK NEVER THOUGHT HE WOULD EVER LEAVE CAPS.

Posted by: wstwd73 | July 30, 2010 9:34 AM | Report abuse

@wstwd73:
Caps Lock OFF is your friend dude! ;-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 30, 2010 9:58 AM | Report abuse

@wstwd73
Caps lock off and please learn how to spell and use complete sentences so half your stuff can be understood. There is negativity on here but there is also plenty of positivity. And to say people on here are bandwagon fans is crazy. Most people posting on here have been fans for a long long time. So I appreciate your optimism but settle down and get things straight.

Posted by: ThePat | July 30, 2010 10:15 AM | Report abuse

and fans like mreilly, if you want to contribute with something MEANINGFUL, go ahead. But it seems your posts consist of nothing more than telling OTHER people to post positive stuff or denigrating other posters for posting criticisms. So s__ or get off the pot.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 30, 2010 10:23 AM | Report abuse

DON'T YOU REALIZE HOW VITAL A 4TH LINE ENFORCER IS WHEN OVEE IS THE CAPTAIN AND WAS SUSPENDED 3 TIMES
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um yeah dip___, we DO realize how vital one is. Which is why the same fans you're taking it out on are the same fans who've been clamoring for a 4th line tough guy since Brashear left. You're basically just arguing with yourself since no one here is against the Caps carrying a 4th line enforcer. The guy you should be most mad at is McPhee. That's the irony here. He's the one who had to be convinced after last yr that we needed a guy like this. So GO YELL AT HIM!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 30, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Sounds like nothing today except everyone telling everyone else what to do.

OK...Andrew Ladd settled for 2.35. That's a little more than Fehr. Ladd's numbers last year comparable to Fehr but Ladd better the year before.

cstanton1: perhaps you can give us a nice comparison between Fehr and Ladd. With Fehr 2.2 and Ladd 2.35, do those numbers make sense? I gather from the past you really like Ladd and would take him over Fehr. Any comparison would be helpful for me. Thx.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 30, 2010 10:30 AM | Report abuse

TEB,

Thanks for all the great coverage of the Caps, you will be missed here at CI.

Posted by: malujoker | July 30, 2010 10:40 AM | Report abuse

Well, Andrew Ladd came from humble beginnings. As a tot he was undersized from the beginning and frequently a target of scorn and ridicule from the other kids. Eric Fehr came into this world with back and hip issues stemming from his mother's insistence on competing as a late night disco dancer on the streets of Winkler, Manitoba. Winkler being the Fonz's hometown of course.

no seriously, i don't know what to tell ya that would determine arbitration salaries. Seems like they ignore intangibles and stick to #s which anyone can go look up for themselves. Ladd is better along the boards, more responsible defensively, and very strong on his skates. He's also very durable.

Fehr is physically/health-wise a notch below Ladd. He also hasn't had the opportunities that Ladd has had with regards to linemates. Ladd has played on all 4 lines between Car and Chicago. Fehr played briefly on our 4th line when he got called up, seemed to struggle with that role, got tried on the 1st line and didn't fit it, now he bounces between the 3rd and 2nd lines.

Ladd got rushed thru juniors and the A and got called up I think when Eric Cole got hurt because Carolina needed a physical presence on the wing who also had a scoring touch. Fehr had more time to season in juniors but of course his development was slowed because of his injuries.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 30, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

as a pure scorer, Fehr gets the nod because of that quick release around the net and could develop into a top line RW. But if I had to pick a player who was more consistent shift by shift right now, it's easily Andrew Ladd. Everyone focuses on the Bfyuglien acquisition to Atlanta but them getting Ladd I think was a better acquisition because he's more consistent than Buffy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 30, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

cstanton: Thanks. It will be interesting to watch them both this year and see which one does better.

I remember once in Manitoba dancing all night with this woman and then in the morning she complained about back and hip trouble.

I wonder....?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 30, 2010 10:53 AM | Report abuse

Yes, I think Fehr's wrister will make him a yearly 30-goal threat if health issues remain in check and if he plays in front of the net like he did when scoring 50+ two years in Juniors.

I'm really hoping another year of Knuble will help him. Would be great to get that #2C and #1D both with some Knublesque veteran qualities. Teams never seem to win titles with just raw talent but also need vet leadership.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 30, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

and Ladd's the kind of player you want to add if you're looking to improve upon your team toughness. Because he can play 20 shifts per game, he's more effective providing on-ice grit than a part time player whose main attribute is fighting. The kind of play that really boosts a team is a shift where a forward makes some big hits, recovers the puck, bullrushes the crease. Basically just manhandles the other team and gets a scoring chance out of it (something Ladd is capable of). Or maybe a defenseman hammering a physical forward from the other team around our crease area.

That kinda grit goes a longer way than DJ King winning a fight on the ice in most situations.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 30, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

Well-handled, FrankM and ThePat. My ears were starting hurt from all the shouting.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 30, 2010 11:01 AM | Report abuse

I agree, you can often see the tide turn in a game when one side engages in board crashing. Soometimes when this happens in hockey it rreminds of when Dean Smith used to send out the "Blue Team." Remember that? It was five second-stringers who would come out and run around like mad for five minutes and tire out the other team.

We have one-third of a good checking line - Laich. Everyone else is either a sniper or a energy guy. That's why I was so much promoting someone like Clutterbuck or Downey.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 30, 2010 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Tarik is leaving? Well this might be my last visit to CI for a while.

Posted by: large23220 | July 30, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

Downie you mean? Sorry when you said Downey I thought of Aaron Downey who was more of a 4th line agitator with no skills.

I don't watch b-ball but I do remember the Hoyas would put on that full court press and get their teammates and crowd energized with the in-yer-face defensive pressure that made life miserable for other teams trying to get across center court. So yeah i guess similar concepts. Fighting is great in certain situations but usually a fight that occurs in the heat of battle while players are fighting for a puck or for position is way more energizing than a goon slugging it out with his counterpart and then patting each other on the butt. I don't care if thats considered sportsmanlike, its stupid.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 30, 2010 11:29 AM | Report abuse

I guess you people love looking at Crosby

Posted by: TBDog | July 30, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Geez, if it was that easy to get rid of posters like large23220 the Post should have moved Tarik long ago!

Posted by: PhilR | July 30, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Boy I tell ya some people are just never satisfied. We get grit and now it's not the right kind of grit! Unreal! I bet when we win the Cup the parade will go down the wrong road!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 1, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton - you're too much bro. Are you and Joke brothers? Lovers? I'll tell you like I told him, why don't you at least say something nice to your dog. It might make you feel better. It's so easy to "out think the Caps brain trust"? Could you possibly be any more full of yourself? What do you do BTW other than spend all day and night on this board critisizing everything the Caps do or don't do? I gotta tell ya dude, I don't have enough time in the day to do what you do and I consider myself a pretty avid fan. I left these boards for a while due to all the BS and nonstop negative comments. I come back and it has been a bit more rational etc with the exception of you and Joke.

The funny thing is, every time I read Ted's blog and he keeps pleading with people to be positive all I can think of is you and Joke blowing up his email with all your crap. There's something to be said for fair critisizism then there's you. Dude take a break. Go for a walk. Take your dog. Can you go a few hours without posting something? I'm not even asking for a positive posting yet but we'll work towards that. Baby steps, baby steps.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 1, 2010 9:40 PM | Report abuse

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