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Caps deal Chris Clark, Milan Jurcina to Columbus for Jason Chimera

Just in: Caps trade Captain Chris Clark and defenseman Milan Jurcina to Columbus for winger Jason Chimera. Chimera, if you recall, was the player who started the scrum that led to Alex Ovechkin's injury in November.

The move also leaves the Caps without a leader in the locker room. Clark, 33, was in his fifth year with the team and his fourth as captain.

Update: Chimera is expected to meet the team in D.C. tonight and travel to San Jose afterward. He's not going to suit up against Carolina, though.

More to come. In the meantime, tell us what you think:

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  December 28, 2009; 3:55 PM ET
 
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Holy poop!!! I am starting the campaign , Liach for Captain!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | December 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Wow, I wonder how Capt Clark feels? Goes through all the bad times to make it to the good times and then gets traded. Wow!

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Wow! Did not see THAT coming!!

Posted by: Snowdog | December 28, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I actually feel really bad for Clark now.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

1) This is just the beginning. It has to be just the beginning.
2) Clark will be missed. This was his team and he was a good captain. The era of Captain Laich, apparently, begins tonight.

Posted by: Matt23185 | December 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Is chimera any good?? How do you guys feel about this trade??

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | December 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

This is all about the move/s not yet made. This clears an additional ~$2mil in cap space. Add to Nyls ~$5mil and GMGM suddenly has room to add some impact to the roster.

Posted by: RicketyCricket | December 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Losing Clark's contract is good for the team. He was a great leader, but that extra 2 mil+ is needed.


Chimera is a 3rd/4trh line grinder type of player..exactly what we need. The problem is that he can't play center...

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

So what do we know about Chimera? Looks like he may have been hurt last year. I'm no huge Juice fan (unless he's paired with Alzner) and I think Clark has been ineffective for a while, but is a 30 year old winger enough in return?

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

what an interesting move - not for who they picked up but who they sent away...

clarkie must be blindsided!

where does chimmer play?

who gets the "c"?

when does theo get moved?

Posted by: RAJSTAR | December 28, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Seee ya bye!!!!!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

I hope this is not a move to clear cap space for Kovy. I like him a lot, but I don't think the Caps need him.

Posted by: ablake70 | December 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@OVIHtrick8

Chimera is the guy who injured Ovi on Nov 1.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Another $2.2m in cap space cleared.

I like Clark a lot but it was getting harder and harder for me to see him and/or Gordon getting/staying in the line-up. The top two lines (even with Knubs and Semin swapping on occassion) and the fourth line are set in stone. That leaves the third line with Fehr-Laich-Clark/Gordon...too many pegs, not enough holes. Even when Boyd returns he's going to have some time getting passed Chimera.

I with both Chris Clark and Milan Jurcina the best.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

clark's immediate reaction:

per cory masisak "Just talked to Chris Clark. Said he was "definitely shocked" by the news of the trade. Didn't have any inclination that he might be dealt."

i would think so!

Posted by: RAJSTAR | December 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is exactly the type of player we've been calling for. A 3rd line grinder who can be put in any situation.

Negatives I know about him;
-Can't finish. Described as having lead hands.
-Doesn't play C.


That's all I know about him...never really "watched" the guy play carefully.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@CTCapsPhan

I feel sorry for Clark also. I know performance wise he was expendable but I'll still miss him.

(At least I got him to sign my Caps' yearbook yesterday before he left.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

I with both Chris Clark and Milan Jurcina the best.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:04 PM |

co-signed.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

chimera 8 goals 9 assisit 47pims 39games LW
clark 4 goals 11 assist 27pims 38 games RW

Posted by: wendel2 | December 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@Matt23185

Or does it begin the era of Captain Ovi?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Clears a roster spot (way too many D men lately), clears salary, and gets back a decent third/fourth liner. Looks like a solid move even without Chimera doing anything on the ice-- if he does, all the better.

Posted by: TheGJ | December 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Kovy is in the cards...my short time here doesn't lend that move to GMGM. He's now got something like $4.5m of breathing room for the remainder of this season. A two-for-one that clears that money and two contracts is huge. Anyway you look at, Chimera is the equal of Clark and we don't need any more defensemen. Very hard to argue with this move.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Other than salary issues exactly what is the upside for Caps on the ice with Chimera?

Posted by: kcbrichmond | December 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

interesting. will miss Clarkie. i think he still has gas left in the tank. hope it works out for him in Columbus. must say, disappointed that Juice did not step it up more. He just never seemed to be willing to take the next step. good luck to both.

Posted by: doughless | December 28, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

One of two things going on here...

1. Salary dump, which I cannot see happening this early on.

2. Movement of players for a future trade.

Chimera is a -7 player who is pretty close to being a Chris Clark clone. Why include Jurcina in the deal? On the surface this looks as those GMGM got bent over and bent over hard.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

another tough Canadian

Posted by: wendel2 | December 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

With Juice now gone, who plays in his stead tonight? I counted the following guys practicing at D today: Green, Morrisonn, Schultz, Oisk, Sloan.

Poti is a scratch due to injury.
Alzner is a healthy scratch.

Pothier is on injured reserve.

Of the non-playing D-man, does that mean that Alzner will play tonight after all?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Other than salary issues exactly what is the upside for Caps on the ice with Chimera?

Posted by: kcbrichmond | December 28, 2009 4:08 PM |

Roster spot and he's better than Clark?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

We traded Clark?? The CAPTAIN???

That's cold. (heh "cold." ice hockey. get it?)

Posted by: TheSuperhoo | December 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Clark was/is a RW. Chimera is a LW. So he fits the Chimera/Laich/Fehr 3rd line.

Juice was out after this year regardless... We got something for him and Clark, perfect.

Its a sound deal, any way you slice it.

Posted by: JSchon | December 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

It's strange. I think we all liked Clark, but whenever I asked any of the STH around me "who gets scratched when Gordon comes back" the answer was always something like "man, I don't know, maybe Clark?" You would think it would be tough to trade your captain, but who knows if he really "was" the captain in recent years or just hung on to the C because he had. Has to stink going from the Caps to CBJ tho. Yuck!

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean Alzner is playing tonight? Headed to my first game of the season, can't wait.

Posted by: dhartogs | December 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

WTF---The Caps need a blue-liner, and now they deal probably their 3rd best defenseman and their captain for a marginal winger???

I hope this deal is being done in a multi-team deal to score a top-flight D. The last thing the Caps need right now is to dump a center and a defenseman for another winger.

Posted by: Russtinator | December 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I like this move, we seemed to have gotten a wash at the winger position, but was able to dumb Juice. This clears up the cap space we need for rentals later. It may have been that CBJ wanted juice and would only take him if we got Chimera.

Only time will tell, but I agree, can't be much worse that Clark.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | December 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Free's up money. I actually like Chimera better than Clark. Big guy who can skate, and takes the body too. I still would've tried to keep Jurcina, not spectacular, but he doesn't kill you. Definitely came out better on the money side of it.

Posted by: topshelf | December 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

wow, talk about out of the blue! I would have thought gordo or shultz would have been moved, not clark or jurcina

Posted by: callingallcars | December 28, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

FLDave,

Really? I suspect that Juice was the target and if we could move him and make a swap with Clark and Chimera the org got loads of breathing room. They always say that you should make sure you get the best player in any trade - and even though these are stunning players, Chimera is probably the best. We don't need nine defensemen, we keep our young talent, and cleared all money? Very difficult to argue against on any level.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Clark sucked for many years - not that upset...plenty of captains on this team.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 28, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

I beg to differ. Clark is coming off of back to back injuries and his game was finally starting to come back. Chimera is a -7. At this point this trade makes NO sense to me. If you are going after a 3rd-4th liner why not get an enforcer who can protect players, fire up the team/crowd?

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

what are the chances now that Carlson will be called up?

Posted by: callingallcars | December 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is a -7 player who is pretty close to being a Chris Clark clone. Why include Jurcina in the deal? On the surface this looks as those GMGM got bent over and bent over hard.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:09 PM |

I disagree.

We gained a roster spot, gained cap space (more importantly Clark was signed though next year...and that's 2 mil+ for Backstrom). Clark has been consistently the worst forward on the team this year.

This trade is nothing but great!

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I'm just going to dream for a little... with all this Cap room and Semin signing a one year deal. The Caps have TWO young goaltenders. I'm just going to dream of a trade of one of the young goalies and someone from the minors for Kovalchuk. He's an unrestricted at the end of the season and he will be playing with Semin and Ovechkin on the Russian team. I'm just dreaming of a first line of Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Semin and a second line of Backstrom, Knuble, and someone else. Yeah... evil.

Posted by: Matt23185 | December 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Schultz isn't going anywhere. Wow.

Clark doesn't play center. Milan isn't needed with the other eight guys.

With that $4.5m we might see a move for a blueliner later. I don't know what our pro contract number was at the deadline last year (50? after Kronwall) or what it was now but the two-for-one is big...we were bumping against it.

The more I think about this, the more I like it.

Someone needs to get some tailoring done on their sweater...and right quick.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

I am scratching my head as to why we didn't get more in return, like a draft pick or a prospect or something.

Feel bad for Clarkie. I really like how he battles along the boards and everyone on the team respected him. I hope no one wears the C tonight out of respect for Chris.

Posted by: pkendrick | December 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

my thought was that Brooksie had captain potential. but after reading how hard he takes loses, I am not sure he is cut out for the rsponsibility. Captain has got to be able, win or lose, to keep team on an even keel (or kick them in the butt). if Brooksie has a propensity to sulk, I dont think he is captain material. I dont think OV is captain material either.

have to keep thinkin on it. seems like, ideally, you want someone who is a little more experienced. Knubs would fit that bill.

Posted by: doughless | December 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

saintex

9 defensemen, 6-7 that are not top tier. Jurcina IMHO is better than those 6-7 which is not saying much.

I am baffled...

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I feel really bad for Clark, with all his injury issues, finally getting to the point where he's healthy, then *BAM* traded. To Columbus.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall for the Chimera-Ovechkin meetup, though...

I'm hoping for Captain Laich.

Posted by: irockthered | December 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Matt, that's quite a dream. Ovi, Kovy, and Semin on the 1st line? Yikes.

How about a dream more like having a center with a few of those snipers.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@dhartogs

By my calculations, Alzner is the logical guy to play in Juice's place.

Pothier is on injured reserve.

Poti is not ready to play but will be ready against San Jose.

All other guys (Schultz, Green, Morrisonn, Sloan, and Erskine) are all accounted for and playing tonight.

I think I've named all the D Corps on the Caps. Or is there anyone I missed?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Is Chimera better defensively than Clark? Does anyone know?

I take a nap and look what happens.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I beg to differ. Clark is coming off of back to back injuries and his game was finally starting to come back. Chimera is a -7. At this point this trade makes NO sense to me. If you are going after a 3rd-4th liner why not get an enforcer who can protect players, fire up the team/crowd?

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:15 PM |

Chimera as an edge.

Also, sighting a +/- on a horrible team this year like CBJ isn't convincing me that he's worse than Clark.

In fact, it seems quite the contrary. I don't know much about Chimera, but everything I am reading says that he is better than Clark.


Besides, again, losing Clark's contract is great. He was signed into next year, and now we have 2 mil+ to work with for Backstrom/Flash/etc.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

What are the Jackets averaging this season? .83 goals per game? I don't cotton much on a -7 for a player on a third line with a team that's scored 11 goals this year.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

We will agree to disagree my friend. If you're going to clear salary space get something in return that is better than a Chimera type player.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is a -7 player who is pretty close to being a Chris Clark clone. Why include Jurcina in the deal? On the surface this looks as those GMGM got bent over and bent over hard.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse


I disagree with GMGM getting bent over because he did not have to make any trade at this point. He was not in a position of needing to do anything which makes you vulnerable.

Obviously there is something else he has in mind that this allows him to do in the big picture.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Boy, on a personal level, I feel bad for Clark, too. Apparently a shock. I am not all that suprised, though. Heck, he was the only Cap to high-five my son the other night as they came through the tunnel for warm-ups (share the same birthday). I will miss his smiling face. It will be hard on the family.

I have seen Laich as the next captain, but maybe Ovi????

Posted by: Steakum | December 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@ doughless

A former Flyer can play for us, but he can't be our captain.

Posted by: Satts | December 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Is Chimera better defensively than Clark? Does anyone know?

I take a nap and look what happens.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 28, 2009 4:19 PM |

I don't "know", but from what I am reading, Chimera is a much better forward at this point in their careers.

Again, the only negatives seem to be; a) he has cement for hands and b) not a center.

Gotta go fix your spreadsheets tom!

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

so i guess clark looks like a wash for chimera. why not trade juice for a pick to someone else. seems like we are on the short end of this deal.

Posted by: samb99 | December 28, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Alzner
Erskine
Green
Morrisonn
Pothier
Poti
Schultz
Sloan

Yep, you got 'em all, CapsFan75

Wow... I'm still reeling, though... I never thought we'd trade Clarkie!!!

Posted by: irockthered | December 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Russtinator - Clark isn't a center and Juice is not our 3rd best D man. We have our supposed steady blue liner up with the team now in the form of Alzner and an offensive one in Hershey in the form of Carlson.

Surprised they didn't move Sloan instead. I think he's been better as a wing instead of D this year, so maybe CBJ didn't want him.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

@ MATT23185I'm just going to dream for a little... with all this Cap room and Semin signing a one year deal. The Caps have TWO young goaltenders. I'm just going to dream of a trade of one of the young goalies and someone from the minors for Kovalchuk. He's an unrestricted at the end of the season and he will be playing with Semin and Ovechkin on the Russian team. I'm just dreaming of a first line of Ovechkin, Kovalchuk, Semin and a second line of Backstrom, Knuble, and someone else. Yeah... evil.

-----------------
I agree, but they need a D-man...Kaberle maybe? or someone they will rent then sign in the off season? I don't know. I have a feeling GM GM isn't done yet. A late Christmas gift...LOL

Posted by: robostop10 | December 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

I have Center Ice and have watched several Blue Jackets games (mainly to laugh at Jeff Rimmers lack of announcement talent). Chimera IMHO is not as good as Clark when he is at full health/strength.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure all the players like Clark, but he wasnt showing me much on the ice anymore. Clearing up cap space for a future D move down the line seems like a win win for me. Long term deal for 19 in the future?

Posted by: capsfansince74 | December 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Chris Clark traded?! I was just watching his 11th-round shootout score last night on the DVR! Can I get a WTF, please? I feel frickin' terrible for the guy! To be blindsided like that? Yipes...

Couldn't give less of a f*ck about Jurcina, though - never really "got" him. IMHO, that's dead weight cut loose. My wife had taken to calling him a "bucket of chicken" over the last few years, claiming that she'd trade him for said bucket in a heartbeat. Didn't see it coming, but it doesn't surprise me, either.

Posted by: EddieP1 | December 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

. If you're going to clear salary space get something in return that is better than a Chimera type player.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:19 PM |

This logic seems a bit..off.

You expect a trade to clear salary space AND have a significant return?

It's one or the other...

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave,

Well, I put Green/Schultz together and then Alzner/Erskine and Morrisonn/Poti/Sloan and we can cover it. Every NHL when you get to a third pairing struggles a bit. No use comparing our third line with someone's 2nd line. I don't have a problem with a defense that is missing Jurcina. Maybe we'll see another move, then again, maybe not.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Clark + Jurcina > Chimera

Without throwing in a pick or two, this trade favors Columbus. I'm hoping there is a second act to this play.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

so i guess clark looks like a wash for chimera. why not trade juice for a pick to someone else. seems like we are on the short end of this deal.

Posted by: samb99 | December 28, 2009 4:21 PM |

Sigh..deals don't work like that.

Most importantly, Clark was signed through next year. That 2 mil of space isn't that important this year, but next year it is....

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I see the key benefit of this to be extra cap space.

One way or another we have to condense our D and upgrade the quality while reducing the quantity.

Didn't think Jurcina had to go, but if we eventually land a D upgrade by the deadline I'll live.

Other D I would have liked to seen moved though.....

Posted by: CF11555 | December 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

+/- is an overrated stat in hockey. Besides that his +/- was on the Blue Jackets. That tells you nothing about him.
This is a good move. It frees up desperately needed cap space and brings in a gritty winger with some size. Clark adds nothing to this team and hasn't for sometime. This is a move that puts the Caps in a spot to make a run at a player or two by the trade deadline.
Hopefully Theo (6.5M) is next!

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I like the move, but feel for Clarkie and Juice.

Chimera adds grit and speed. He is one of the fastest guys in the league and could fill in on the second line, if necessary. He's also willing to drop the gloves, but can do more than that.

Juice will be a UFA this summer and didn't do any one thing so spectacularly that he's irreplaceable. Moving him just creates more ice time for what we have.

Clark had tons of heart, but wasn't producing like a $2.5 million forward should and is on the books for next year, too. Chimera is signed for a few years at $1.875, a very manageable figure for what he does.

Posted by: MyJobsMyCredit | December 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

I was a little sarcastic. I thought I had named everyone on the D.

Will miss Clark. Chimera is a little younger than Clark (2-3 years).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Not super exciting from the perspective of who we got. Looks like a space and salary clearing for later... which might be quite exciting in due time.

A bit sad to see Jurcina go, but couldn't be happier about Clark getting shipped out. Never thought we'd be able to get anyone interested in him. Figures that it was the clueless idiots in Columbus who would take him off our hands. Friedman of HNIC was apparently shocked that Clark was available. He must be joking. I'm more shocked that anyone was interested in him. Clark is a good guy, but as a hockey player he was driving me crazy by just how unbelievably useless he was. Absolutely zero skills. Can't shoot, can't pass, in a constant state of panic, no awareness whatsoever. 75% of the time can't even receive a simple pass on his stick. We have 10 guys in Hershey who are far better than him in every way and way cheaper. He was getting paid way more than he deserves based on just 1 anomalous season when he scored 30 goals on a bad team (still have no idea how he managed to do that).

Anyway, glad to see that once again our management and coaching staff's talent evaluation aligns with my own and I'll make a prediction. This deal will not help Columbus in any way. Their management and coaching staff have just proved once again that they don't have a clue (because they apparently think Clark is good) and will be toast by season's end. Quite possibly soon, in fact.

Posted by: ranndino | December 28, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Poti dodged a bullet or just wasn't wanted as part of a bigger deal... I had a feeling he or Juice were on their way out. Hunch was right for once yippee

Posted by: Chad8 | December 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

You guys aren't getting the full picture....

We lost;
-the worst forward this year.
-an extra d-man

We gained;
+a forward to replace the worst forward this year.
+Tons of space for this year.
+2.3 mil of space for next year to go to Flash/Backstrom/etc
+roster spot

We win.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, I put Green/Schultz together and then Alzner/Erskine and Morrisonn/Poti/Sloan and we can cover it. Every NHL when you get to a third pairing struggles a bit. No use comparing our third line with someone's 2nd line. I don't have a problem with a defense that is missing Jurcina. Maybe we'll see another move, then again, maybe not.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

You forgot about Pothier when he returns. We still have 8 d-men

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

CTCapsPhan

Look at the stats for Clark and Chimera. Both players are almost identical in age, size, performance, etc. So GMGM trades our CAPTAIN (yet again) for a similar player and throws in Jurcina? That is being bent over IMHO.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Also, the roster spot is huge. I think Pothier and Gordon are on the IR right now, so don't they need to take someone's spot when they come off the IR?

This could also allow them to bring someone like Perrault back up with the roster spot vacated.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

What about Filatov????

Posted by: sroessle | December 28, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Bradley for Captain!!!!

Posted by: doughless | December 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

This shocked me a bit! But GMGM must be up to something bigger...like signing Nicky for a long contract and I still feel like a Theo trade will happen before the deadline! As far as the "C", I would give it to Laich or Knuble.

Posted by: NatyBG | December 28, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

And I forgot Pothier.

I still think that Jurcina was the target - or one of the defensemen - so the idea of trading Clarkie for Chimera and then Milan being chucked in doesn't make sense. Once we knew they wanted a D-man then I suspect the cap clearance options came up - the two-fer that used Milan as the prop. Pretty sly, really. Columbus gets Milan but in the process eats up over $2m in cap space in the Clark v. Chimera exchange. And Milan is an UFA after the season and Clark is owed another season after this. I don't get what Columbus was doing.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Chris Clark is -4 on the highest scoring team in the league, the most proficient 5 on 5 team in the league.

Chimera is a -7 on a team that can't score unless you play on the Nash line.

The equal value here is the lack of money out the door, roughly $2.2M. The roster spot and now only having 8 blueliners vying for 6 spots.

The fact that we got something for Clark and Juice this early is perfect. The sooner we start making room for Hershey and trade deadline players the better.

Posted by: JSchon | December 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

all I'm gonna say about this trade is i hope Jason Chimera is good at dropping gloves.

Posted by: iboost | December 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, and CBJ fans thought they were getting Alzner... LMFAO

Posted by: Chad8 | December 28, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

FLDave,

GMGM traded away a "Captain" that watched the past two seasons from the box. He is not the Captain on this team. This was a good move. Roster spot, salary space and a captain that doesn't just wear the "C" on his jersey.

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I beleive that caps had to throw Milan into the deal to make jackets happy. CHimera is making 1.8 mill a year, not sure for how long he is signed. Jackets took on an additional almost 2 million in salary. Also isn't Milan a RFA this year, so they caps were going to have to pay him and that would have been tough with semins new deal and Nicky coming up.

Posted by: RichC3 | December 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

iboost

Not for fighting...

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

It really doesn't matter if Clark is better than Chimera. Nor does it matter that a fringe NHL'r was "thrown in."

What matters is the roster spot and the cap space.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

The only reason Clark was captain was because Ovie's English sucks. This is Ovie's team. Not sure that he should be named captain, though, because his English still sucks...

Posted by: randysbailin | December 28, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

OV is the team superstar. doesn't make him the leader.

Posted by: doughless | December 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

i think that this is overall a good trade. i feel bad for clark, being the captain and getting traded mid-season out of the blue. Juice unfortunately is just the odd man out. Seemed like a solid D guy, but we have a bunch of them. Hopefully we'll see Clark and Juice in the 2010-11 season!

Posted by: aglatfelter | December 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I disagree on that. Clark was a great captain, and it seems that all the players loved him.

However, losing his contract is great!

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

dlmy

So the organization let Clark keep the "C" because they were too lazy or could care less who wore it? Come on, this is our 3rd Captain traded under GMGM's watch. Bad form....

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

FLDave: Clark and Chimera put up similiar stats. However, Clark put his up on the Caps (one of the most offensively explosive teams in the league) and Chimera put his up on the Blue Jackets (one of the worst teams in the league. As well, the Caps gained a lot of cap room. With Backstrom and Fleischman yet to be signed, the Caps are going to need Cap room to keep them. When you total the amount of room the Caps gained by dumping Nylander and this, the Caps, suddenly, have more Cap room than any of the other teams they are concerned with competing against. It's hard to imagine that the Caps are done making moves. I'm watching for Scott Niedermayer.

Posted by: Matt23185 | December 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Maybe Clark wasn't the biggest producer but he had fought back for 2 seasons from injury and was the team captain. How does your captain being dumped in the middle of a great season affect the younger players in the room?? Jurcina was a good guy but was expendable, but wasn't he enough to get a guy like Chimera? Chimera's numbers aren't great. What's his game? Is he an agitator? Can he fight? Doesn't show alot of PIMs on stats.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | December 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

FLDave,

We'll disagree on this one. We move a third line forward pulling in $2.6m for a thire line forward pulling in $1.9m (captain or not), and move one of nine defensemen who's making $1.4m and there's an issue? I don't see it. This team, both offensively and defensively is wholly unaffected by the trade - roster slots and money. Even if Chimera didn't lace it up for one game this season, and Gordon filled the ice time, it's a winning deal.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

One thing to keep in mind is that Chimera has 2 more years after this year on his deal ($1.8 mil per year). Chimera instead of Clark is a bit of a savings next year, but he's signed for the extra year after that. Anyhow, here's hoping that Chimera provides a bit of the sandpaper this Caps team needs.

Posted by: cainoo7x | December 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

good deal- frees up cap room- ditches two players we don't need- gives chimera half a season to play with us- I'm sure there will be more trades before the deadline.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Don't give the C to Brooks. Caps always trade their captains, getting the C is the beginning of the end. And Ovie is too volatile and not mature enough. I'm not sure he'll ever be right for it. Knuble maybe? Bradley?
As for the trade, it's a wash. We needed a D slot for Alzner and Juice hadn't been playing.

Posted by: farmgirl19C | December 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Clearing cap space to trade for Niedermeyer (the good one in Anaheim)

Posted by: docjohnson | December 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

FlDave,

What has Clark done over the past 3 seasons that leads you to believe that he is anything other than a token Captain?
C'mon, you're upset at a GM for a top 3 team in the league for trading away CLARK!!

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

One thing to keep in mind is that Chimera has 2 more years after this year on his deal ($1.8 mil per year). Chimera instead of Clark is a bit of a savings next year, but he's signed for the extra year after that. Anyhow, here's hoping that Chimera provides a bit of the sandpaper this Caps team needs.

Posted by: cainoo7x | December 28, 2009 4:37 PM |

Wait..is he?

I thought he was upcoming UFA....

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

I think Clark was the throw-in in this deal, not Juice. You don't throw in a big, 26 yr old d-man with a rocket shot (that only seems to be able to hit and break plexiglass and not the twine). You throw in an aging 32 year old winger with diminishing skills that has been hurt the past two years.

For those of you wishing to see Theo out the door, don't get your hopes up... until next year. I don't think they will go with Varly and Neuvy becuase one of them is sitting ang not gaining game experience. Look for them to dump Theo next year, get a cheap veteran backup, and still send Neuvy to Hershey for a few years.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Knuble eliminated us from the playoffs 2 years ago as a Flyer...CANNOT be captain.

Posted by: Satts | December 28, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

no whining over the captain being traded- he was never in the locker room anyway- always hurt- not going to affect the room much at all

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I agree with RichmondPhil, this is the set-up, the real move comes later.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I think/hope we are making room for Niedermyer! We needto drop 1 more defensemen (I say Morrison), an maybe even trade a goalie (not Varly)..I like GMGM, and trust that he has something exciting in the works. Sad to see 17 go...he was a great Cptain

Posted by: capscoach | December 28, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is contracted through 2011/12 at a constant $1.875m. I'm not concerned with the length at that cost. Moving a winger with that contract, if needed, is much easier than moving someone at $2.5m.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Semin on the block?? The one year extension seemed like a sign and trade contract to me.... just throwing that out there.

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

@Matt23185

Only problem with getting Niedermeyer. Anaheim will probably demand a ridiculous price -- as they did for Chris Pronger.

I wonder if the Flyers gave up too much to get Pronger. It sounds like the price they wanted the Caps to pay (last year) was way too much and no wonder GM McPhee turned it down. That being said, I doubt if the Flyers will end up as badly as they are looking at the moment.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

"I'm shocked Cotton" about sums it up right now.

From a cap perspective this was a great move, but the sentimental side will miss Capt'n.


For tonight, hows about we stitch the C on Brad's sweater. We are 1-0 all time with him as captain....just saying.

Posted by: superpaqman | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

salary dump, salary dump, salary dump. Good move. I'm excited to see what else is coming in January.

Posted by: capsfan5 | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

No thanks to Neids.

Anton Volchenkov is the correct answer.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

WVPhil, exactly what I've been saying.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

So I guess the way to look at this is that the Caps got a younger (by 3 years), cheaper, faster version of Clarkie, saved some money, opened up a roster spot for Alzner and gave up a d-man they didn't really need.

Posted by: BobLHead | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

CTCapsPhan

Look at the stats for Clark and Chimera. Both players are almost identical in age, size, performance, etc. So GMGM trades our CAPTAIN (yet again) for a similar player and throws in Jurcina? That is being bent over IMHO.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse


Seems many others have answered this for me, so I will be short. We also got $2.3mm to sign players we really want to keep. Would you have rather kept Jurcina and Clark if it meant we could not sign Backstrom or Flash or to have the space to rent a difference maker for the playoff run?

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Expect a Nick Backstrom signing any day now. Hopefully we'll also say bye bye to Poti and add an impact defenseman at the same time with the acquired cap room.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 - Heh. I was counting for my own brain. Which is reeling.

Posted by: irockthered | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

saintex

That salary seems high for the way Clark has played lately (battling injuries). He did have some good years with the organization and played on the top line. I was not a huge Clark fan, but to me this wasn't a good trade. Perhaps there is something else in the works I don't know about, but on the surface this sucks. What other team has traded 3 captains within this short amount of time?

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Semin on the block?? The one year extension seemed like a sign and trade contract to me.... just throwing that out there.

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM |

Lots of people have been throwing that out there, but are you aware the last time there was a sign and trade?

Semin ain't going anywhere.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is signed for 2 more years at $1.875M so we get very little cap relief in this. We save $2M but we're already 1/2 way through the season so we save $1M this year and about $800k for the next 2 yrs. Granted it's another $1M but not quite as much as some have stated. I with others feel like on the surface we got too little in return but if you look at it more now like Alzner will be able to play every night then maybe we got back exactly what GMGM wanted. I also agree that having a -7 on a bad team that plays defense first isn't a true indication of the talent. I imagine his offensive and +/- will go up being here with this talent and this system.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | December 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

who do you see as captain, Satts??

Posted by: doughless | December 28, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Semin on the block?? The one year extension seemed like a sign and trade contract to me.... just throwing that out there.

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:43 PM

I had the same thought/worry!

Posted by: Satts | December 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

i think that the NHL is a business and that trades for players are acceptable, but that it was unnecessary and un-courteous to blindside someone like the team captain with a trade like this.

Posted by: j762 | December 28, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Ok too many to read and I need to get ready to go to the game so if I am repeating anything then I am sorry.

Clarkie for Chimera is basically a wash but Columbus was taking on more salary so adding in a rental player like Juice was the sweatener. We get a roster spot and a lower salary cap and they get 2 for the price of 1. It is a win/win for both teams.

And it was Juice over the other D because he was the best for the price. Mo is not better then Juice but costs 600K more. Poti and Pothier are hurt. Sarge and Sloan are too cheap for us to consider trading them. And Erskine is the closest thing we have to an enforcer so he didn't make sense for this move.

I cannot wait to have this conversation with my STH friends at the game tonight.

GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: pkendrick | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

What other team has traded 3 captains within this short amount of time?

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:44 PM |

Two of them were during our rebuild, and probably would never be captain otherwise. You're digging here....


The trade is great for the Caps and the future.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh and lastly, can we please give the "C" to the one who is truly the Captain of this team? The one who leads this team like nobody else can. I like Brooks too and he's a good player great personality and all but I'm quite sure everybody in the world knows who the true captain of this team is.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Semin's signing was to get it out of the way to concentrate on Backstrom...Semin is not going anywhere.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

CTCapsPhan,

No, but I believe GMGM could have got more in return before the trade deadline.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@randysbailin

It was 3 years ago when Ovi turned down being Captain. He was only 21 years old. His English has improved and he is more mature.

He was wise to turn it down at that time, knowing he was not mature enough then. But is he really any less mature than Crosby or Richards or Jonathan Toews.

I'd say this is the logical time to make Ovi the Captain.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 28, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't think this says anything about Semin. I think the one-year extension was McPhee getting everything aligned. Nicky is going to get $6m per on a long deal and that's now more then covered with the newly discovered $2.2m to go with the $3m (or so?) he'll save on Nyls contract. That covers Nicky and then when JT is gone next year the money can be moved to Semin - he'll get about $6m (as the extension) which is covered by JT and still leaves cash lying about for Stecks, Flash, etc.

I also don't think Neuvy is spending a couple of years in Hershey. Varly and Neuvy are the two for next season.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Semin is on the trading block, just like Alzner was going to Columbus?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't think we want Nieds. A bit "too" old for this team... and isn't named Fedorov.

I think the D has been playing well lately. I doubt they make a big splash. They have plenty of guys in Hershey that we've wanted to see and have been sad when they had to be sent back down. That was all due to Cap issues. We now have have room to bring those pieces in and leave them.

The issue that none of us can comment on is what was Clark's locker room presence as the "C"? If he was a true heart and soul big time leader, then that could be huge. But truthfully, what does the captain "really" do?

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

It looks like this is a salary dump. Sorry to see Clark leave, but frankly he has not been at all good. I wanted to keep Juice because I think he is a good value D. My bet is that Chimera will be a step up from Clark, and we will not really miss Juice since the other D we have are roughly equivalent (Schultz, ShaMo) or notably better (Green, Alzner).

Posted by: crooks_c | December 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

I think Chimera thinks today is xmas. He just got traded from one of the worst teams to one of, if not THE best! Welcome Jason, I hope you exceed all expectations!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | December 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is bigger than Clark. Maybe he will be a quasi-enforcer.

Posted by: Bartolo1 | December 28, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

we didn't trade halpie did we? he signed with Dallas as an FA

get on the boat. the motorboat

Posted by: CF11555 | December 28, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

I'm in the same boat with the folks that say we gained cap space and a roster spot, not any great talent in this trade.

Keith Aucoin had two goals yesterday. Some good options in Hershey to fill that spot.

Posted by: LouLewis | December 28, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

As a Jackets fan this is what I can tell you about Chimmer:

Pros:
One of the fastest skaters in the league.
Has size.
Good community guy. (Involved in a lot of charity work)

Cons:
Doesn't use his size. (Loses board battles, doesn't check/fight)
Hands of stone.
Veteran on a team that has lost 9 straight games and 15 of 17 and hasn't taken on any kind of leadership role.

He was one of the longest tenured Jackets and I wish him luck.

Posted by: jacketsrequired | December 28, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Neither one of those guys were in the Caps long term plans and neither could be considered a crucial cog this year. Let's not forget we played the majority of the past two seasons without 17. With Nylander off the salary cap and the added relief and roster spot with this deal we're primed to acquire someone that can help us at the deadline (or earlier) this year (in direct contrast to last year when GMGM couldn't do anything if he wanted to.)

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | December 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

FLDave,
I am having a hard time following your logic. If you have identical players then don't you want the guy you are going to payless money too? Esp. when you have a number of young more talented players who are going to need new contracts with raises?
And if they are equal player's don't you think you need to give Columbus some incentive to take the guy making more money?
Jurcina is a throw away, we had 9 defensemen so someone had to go. I am fine with Green, Alzner, Pothier, Poti, Sloan, Erskine, Schultz, Morrisonn as our Defense right now.

Posted by: SFcapsfan | December 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Who said Alzner was going to Columbus initially?

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Do people really believe Jurcina was sweetener? Think abou it. There's no way that Columbus came calling for Clark in exchange for Chimera. "Hey, I'll tell you what George, I'll take a nearly identical player and an addition 700k in salary, how about it?" No way. Clark was the throw in on the deal and I have no idea why Columbus bit.

We are going to have 7 or 8 forwards making more than Chimera next season so we aren't talking on any kind of behemoth contract in the future.

Posted by: saintex | December 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

good trade, Chimera is cheap and the same type of player as Clark + some grit (along the same lines as bradley, now we have 2 punching bags). needed to unload Clark's salary, we wasn't worth the money. will miss Juice but now signing Backstrom is no problem & we have plenty of D.

please stop the Kaberle talk, the last thing we need is another O-Defenseman. we should stick with what we have a see what comes along at the deadline.

sure hope we don't have a letdown tonight...I predict a goal for Laich in his campaign for Captain

Posted by: donkey1 | December 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Chimera is bigger than Clark. Maybe he will be a quasi-enforcer.

Posted by: Bartolo1 | December 28, 2009 4:50 PM |

He also plays with a bigger edge than Clark. Doesn't really fight, but he's feisty...think Matt Cooke a few years ago, but not as annoying.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Anyone nervous about team morale for the game tonight?

Posted by: capscoach | December 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

This is Ovechkin's team and he leads on the ice with his enthusiasm and unparralled effort. Give him the C.

Posted by: Satts | December 28, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I won't miss Clark, but I thought Jurcina stepped up in the playoffs last year. I guess he wasn't going to get resigned with the Alzner and Carlson in the pipeline.

I have a cap space question. How much GMGM really save?

Clark: $2.65 (09/10), $2.5 (10/11)
Jurcina: $1.375 (09/10), UFA (10/11)

Chimera: $1.875 (09/10), $1.875 (10/11), $1.875 (11/12)

Given my limited math skills, that saves the Caps a prorated $2.15 (09/10), $.625 (10/11) and -1.875 (11/12)

This provides some flexibility for this year, but doesn't make a dent in the future.

Posted by: brihobbs | December 28, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

@saintex

Not only that, but CBJ doesn't need a forward. They DESPERATELY needed a d-man, and may still need one.

Klesla is out for a while.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Team morale? I think they'll be fine. And to ensure that they host the Carolina Hurricanes...

Posted by: dlmy | December 28, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Marleau for captain.

Posted by: Tex21 | December 28, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

@brihobbs

As others have pointed out, Chimera would be much easier to trade later than Clark.

I thought Chimera was an upcoming UFA, but I was wrong. Still..a good trade for us.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Patrick Marleau for captain.

Posted by: Tex21 | December 28, 2009 4:56 PM |

LOL.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Saintex - I'll have to disagree on the goalie situation next year. I just don't see them playing Varly for 3 games and then Neuvy for a game or something like they. They'll want them both playing every night. I see them bringing in a Brent Johnson type guy that can play spot duty and let one of the youn guys do the heavy lifting. Regardless, Theo is gone next year at that salary. However, we still need him to play well for us this year.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

As a Jackets fan this is what I can tell you about Chimmer:

Pros:
One of the fastest skaters in the league.
Has size.
Good community guy. (Involved in a lot of charity work)

Cons:
Doesn't use his size. (Loses board battles, doesn't check/fight)
Hands of stone.
Veteran on a team that has lost 9 straight games and 15 of 17 and hasn't taken on any kind of leadership role.

He was one of the longest tenured Jackets and I wish him luck.

Posted by: jacketsrequired | December 28, 2009 4:52 PM |

Glad to see you here, I came over to the Dispatch earlier today inquiring about Chimmer/Torres.

Looks like you echo the same sentiments as the other CBJ fans did.

Enjoy Juice and Clark! :)

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

Mark Vogel's take:

"The Caps have long stated that whenever their young players proved they were worthy of holding down a regular NHL job, the team would make room for them. That would appear to be part of what this deal is all about, although it also saves the Caps a few million dollars off the salary cap.

Washington defenseman Karl Alzner is clearly ready for prime time, and his recent recall from Hershey of the AHL gave the Capitals nine defensemen on the roster. Although rearguards Brian Pothier and Tom Poti are currently day-to-day with injuries, the Caps have had a logjam on the backline since the start of the season. The deal with the Blue Jackets today helps ease that glut just a bit."

Posted by: BobLHead | December 28, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of needing a center for this team like we were earlier... is there any chance they pry Vinny away from the Lightning? I'm just saying. If we can dream about Kovy, I'd think Vinny would be even better. Ain't happening though.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Phil: We don't gain 2 mil for next year. Jurcina was not on the spreadsheet anyway and you replace Clark with Chimera to gain $800K of space for next year. Still, that could be key space for Backie and Flash.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Two consecutive moves that say, "Karl Alzner, you are the kid we expected. Now become the man we expect you to be."

Not the best deal ever, but a very solid and logical one. More cap room, one less defenseman, and no significant loss of talent upfront.

Sorry for the guys to go, but this is professional sports. Trades are part of the business...unless you're Michael Nylander.

Posted by: SuperG5 | December 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Phil: We don't gain 2 mil for next year. Jurcina was not on the spreadsheet anyway and you replace Clark with Chimera to gain $800K of space for next year. Still, that could be key space for Backie and Flash.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 28, 2009 5:02 PM |

Yes, I was corrected earlier. I thought Chimmer was an upcoming UFA, but that's okay.
Still a great trade.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

this deal makes much sense for the caps, emotions aside. clark was signed for $2.3 this year and next. either juice or mo were not coming back next year (maybe both) and clark was gone after next year. so you pick up salary this year and next and get a pretty solid guy for one more year. clark is also 3 years older than chimera. lots of us have been clamoring for more toughness from a player who can actually play, well, here you go.

so in effect, we swap two guys who were not in the long term plans for a cheaper guy who fills a need. again, emotions aside. i like clark and am sorry to see him go. he's been a warrior for this team since he got here.

ps. the caps have traded a ton of captains in their day. starting with ryan walter...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 28, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

wow...unexpected....

I have to say, Clark was not very much of a producer out on the ice...nice guy, but not a big loss.

Losing Juice is a little more troubling....I preferred Juice over Schultz...would rather have seen Schultz have been dealt....Juice is a big body that is not afraid to get in the middle of things.....

Gordo is more dead weight on our team....

I'm not all that interested in us getting Kovalchuk from the Thrashers....would rather see us rent a solid d-man and a top 3rd line center, someone in the John Madden got of mold....

Go Caps.

Posted by: lynchburgvacapsfan | December 28, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

Honestly... Kono and Halpern were salary dumps? Come on Phil, you know better than that.

I'm not a huge Clark fan, but the value GMGM places on his captains is questionable at best. Sure Clark is not an Iginla, but he was still the team leader. If the team was failing I could see this as sending a message that anyone is fair game. Right now, salary dump or not, it is hard for me to swallow.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Juice shouldn't even be in the same breath as Schultz this year. One is playing great, the other is playing the same as last year.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

i guess the question is why not trade clark for a mid round pick and see if juice can get you a 3round pick. take no salary back. Also if we add a first round with this package would we have gotten filatov. i am curious what happened to filatov.

Posted by: samb99 | December 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Out of curiosity.... How do you think the team will pick the new C? Player vote?

Posted by: Forts | December 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Seems to be a lot of talk on various sites stating that this move and the Nylander move was done for us to get Neidermeyer. Needless to say this would be a tremendous upgrade but is that what GMGM is looking to do? What does Anaheim want in return? I don't know that GMGM has anything in mind, if I know anything about this guy I think he's taking it as that's a possibility but with this much cap space and this many roster spots open he can do any number of things and Neids may not be the BEST deal. Needless to say I think he's gonna make a strong push to bring the Cup to DC THIS YEAR!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | December 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Honestly... Kono and Halpern were salary dumps? Come on Phil, you know better than that.

I'm not a huge Clark fan, but the value GMGM places on his captains is questionable at best. Sure Clark is not an Iginla, but he was still the team leader. If the team was failing I could see this as sending a message that anyone is fair game. Right now, salary dump or not, it is hard for me to swallow.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 5:06 PM |

I didn't say anywhere that Halpern (who signed as a FA) and Kono were salary dumps. I said that they were dealt during the rebuild...which is true.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

I have only been following hockey (CAPS) for about 3 years so I dont have much of a leg to stand on in terms of good trade/bad trade but why do you trade your captain?? If he was not that good, he should have never been the Captain in the first place! Again, I wont comment on the trade because I know I am not that smart in hockey knowledge. Go Caps

Posted by: rvanags | December 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, wasn't Halpern upset that the Caps didn't re-sign him..so that's why he looked at other teams? (Stars)

How is that not a salary dump? Not a salary dump via trade, yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

If he was not that good, he should have never been the Captain in the first place! Again, I wont comment on the trade because I know I am not that smart in hockey knowledge. Go Caps

Posted by: rvanags | December 28, 2009 5:10 PM |

Clark was a great captain, but he was easily the worst forward on the ice this year.

We have other vet leadership to supplant his "C" role with, and we have better, younger players and this Chimera guy to take his role on the ice and then some.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 28, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

i dont know what any of you people are saying, besides clark's penalty shot against the islanders. he has not contributed to the team his whole time in washington. he was by far the worst player to touch the ice on the team

Posted by: bityburke19 | December 28, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Clark is 33 and is a natural right wing. There was no room for him on the team at that position.

Jurcina was one of the defensemen that had the most trouble exiting the zone with the puck under control.

The club I think saw him as a player that had peaked and was in a numbers crunch at a position where the Caps need a steadier hand.

Alzner needs to play every day.

The other factor is the money.

The Caps saved $1.5M against the cap this year by dealing Clark and Jurcina.

Savings that could be used to acquire a veteran defenseman with Cup-winning experience to put the team over in the post-season.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Wow! What a surprise! I have a lot of affection for Clark and I am surprised to see him go right as he was getting back on track. I had no use for Jurcina. I hope all goes well for both of them, and that Clark will flourish in Ohio. He had a rough two years in DC.

I hope Alex Ovechkin becomes the captain and formalizes what is already taking place. He is the one the media go to for an opinion of the team's performace; he is the one leading the team--not just in goals but in terms of morale, attitude, motivation, etc. His energy and level of performance are unwavering and always 100%. He is already the leader of this team in all but title and willl eclipse anyone else who is declared captain.

Posted by: caraveli | December 28, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

SFcapsfan

My problem is with trading the captain of the eastern conference leader for a guy like Chimera. Salary dump or not, I would have taken a 2nd round pick over Chimera, we have enough grinders.

I am assuming that most of the posters here do not follow hockey like I do, I watch roughly 3-4 games a day/night (insomniac/hockey addict). My beautiful wife considers herself a widow between Oct and May. Chimera is nothing to write home about, if you're going to trade you're captain along with a hulking D man get something in return.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

As to how the teams pick a captain, I believe some teams vote on the "C" at the beginning of the year and the coaches assign the "A." I think other teams have the coach pick everything. Would be a good sidebar storry for Tarik or one of the bloggers to tackle. Not sure how the Caps do it.

My they have created some buzz around a Carolina game that could have been a let down. Should be no let downs tonight!

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

The chances are that the Caps got the best player in the deal but Columbus got more talent...which they should have gotten, since they took $4M in space in exchange for $1.9M.

I don't think Chimera is the "top defensive forward" we've been looking for though. If he's a pest, that would be good. We need some sandpaper.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 28, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

FLDave

agree with you 100%. what is the compeling event to do this. I could understand if a blue chip prospect filatov was coming back. use these assets for a roster player that fills a need. i rather have osala up here playing then chimera for three years

Posted by: samb99 | December 28, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

FLDave, re a second rounder. we have tons of draft picks and prospects. we need someone who can contribute now. we're in a different mode now. no more picks and a prospect. also, cbus isnt going to take on $3M+ in salary and not shed any of their own.

chimera sounds like he is what he is. a 3/4 round guy with some nose for the net, some grit, and some speed and 3 years younger than clark. juice was not going to be signed next year, so why not get something for him?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

um, 3/4 LINE guy.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 28, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

clark never really got his mojo back after injury...maybe new ice will do him some good. jurcina a real cannon for a shot, would never light the fuse, he was average on the blue line at best, maybe new ice suits him too. chimera will do fine on a offensivly strong team and provide some much needed grit. the talk of salary cap space and future moves is sort of a knee jerk reaction of fans to a gm and owner who obviously have been pushing all the right buttons up to this point...savvy

Posted by: joerutgens72 | December 28, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

The compelling event for this is to keep Alzner in the lineup every day and possibly get another one of our own blue chip prospects in the lineup from Hershey.

Surprised no one has pulled this yet, but anyne know what kind of ice time Clark was averaging over the last month? How about Juice?

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

As a loong time caps fan I'm sad to see clark go but I will get over it pretty fast.I thought he was on his way out anyway ,just didnt think it was so soon.But clarkie and juice for this guy,i think it was a legit deal.though i think theres gonna be more to it in the near future.dont think chimmer is gonna be around to long so i wouldnt have high hopes for him.but i hope he makes the best of his time here.I dont think juice would of been my first choice to add in the deal but he was on his way out to eventually so why not now and clear some cap room.So all in all i think it was a good deal but i think theres gonna be more to come.Good luck clarkie and juice we'll miss ya and welcome chimmer!for now.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | December 28, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

GMGM must have justified the trade based solely on roster spot and cap space. Clark is on the downside of his career, and they are getting a marginal talent in return. I'm disappointed to see Jurcina go. He is physical, and his skating has improved tremendously since he came to DC. Maybe the big shot from the point could be harnessed with off-season work. He would not be my first choice to go. There seemed to be some hard feelings on the part of the Caps stemming from Jurcina's salary arbitration. IMO, he's not making an unreasonable amount of money for his talent level.

Posted by: zmega | December 28, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

In regards to Chimera I can't say I'm an expert on him, but in a few games I've seen him he seemed to be a whole lot better skater than Clark (pretty damn fast actually) and is larger. That's already an improvement.

A few people keep repeating that Chimera's drawbacks are that he's not a C and has lead hands. And this is different from Clark how exactly?

We will have to get to know Chimera a little bit better, but at least he'll be able to keep up and is much cheaper. If some people think that $6 mil a year is too much for Semin then $2.5 mil for Clark is a joke.

Lastly, as far as 4th line centers go aside from Boyd Gordon (not a fan either) we have Perrault, Aucoin and Wilson all of whom looked very good when they got a chance and are far better players than Clark.

I feel bad for Clarkie on a personal level too because he really seemed like a super nice guy, but this is pro sports. GMGM gets paid to make the team better, not to keep everyone happy because a team of happy bums that loses would get him fired very quickly.

Posted by: ranndino | December 28, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

George McPhee presser is here, and now:

http://capitals.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=616&id=55515

Posted by: BobLHead | December 28, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

cap space for Forsberg after the 2010 games?

Posted by: heathdog1119 | December 28, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

ranndino

How can you not be a Gordon fan? His defense, PK and face off skills are hard to equal. He is not flashy, but just as important to the team as the second tier forwards.

Posted by: FLDave | December 28, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Stupid Internet blocker. Can't watch the presser. Let me know if anything exciting is said.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Clears space for this year veteran additions at forward (Forsberg/Tkachuk) and D (S Niedermeyer) and long term space to sign Backstrom/Flash. Plus we add a little danger in Churma at least for a little while. Once Varly is healthy Jose is next... good moves. Me likey.

Posted by: Tikkanen08 | December 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

The only, ONLY thing I worry about with this trade is the simple statement of "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." The teams been playing great with the current mix.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

New thread...

Posted by: WVPhil | December 28, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Well GMGM just said a couple of things that are to be noted I think:
1. This was discussed back in September and came back in the past couple of days
2. This was more a move to fill LW than for additional cap space (not sure I believe that totally)
3. We had too many RW's and not enough LW's.

Interesting. Regardless we have more than enough roster spots and money to do whatever the heck we want at the deadline which is a completely different story than last year.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | December 28, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

where are you guys getting your cap space numbers from...ive only got this link (http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/team.php?team=WAS) to the hockey buzz but it seems this is off and you guys are quoting different and (i assume)more accurate numbers...

and why would chris borque and other guys that i understand to be in hershey appear to be counting against the cap...is this just the hockey buzz being inaccurate? but even so it did update with the trade pretty quick...im confused...

still trying to figure out the value of player for players in the swap but otherwise i totally get and like the roster and cap space moves...

rock on!!! (with the red of course!!!)

Posted by: deadskin | December 28, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Shultz > Juice. Maybe not last season, but this season fo sho.

Posted by: Chad8 | December 28, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

teddy and george have a master plan and they are working it...#60 for a couple of high draft picks at the deadline maybe??? other than that, not much looks very interesting. in the terms of the team chemistry going on right now why bother that?

Posted by: joerutgens72 | December 28, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Incredible!!! I liked Clark(a great character guy), but if you are questioning this move as being anything but good for the Caps, I urge you to put your emotions to the side and enlighten yourselves. I'm curious how many people that think this was a bad move were also whining about Shultz the last two years?

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | December 28, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

@ richmondphil

Just wanted to let you know that I agree with every one of 1001 posts you made in this thread. Very good analysis of the trade.

@ FLDave

Jesus, dude. People have tried to explain to you 1001 times why this trade makes sense for us, but you just don't wanna listen and keep repeating "but he was our captain" like a broken record. You're like a balloon that all the good arguments and facts bounce off of like quarters.

You claim that you're a hockey addict. For someone who understand hockey please tell me why are you clinging to the whole captain business? Who cares? Clark is a terrible player right now. Not only the worst on our roster, but worse than most of our guys in Hershey. And he was making $2.5 mil! This trade makes perfect sense for all the reasons many people have stated if you could just let go of your captain fetish. We have absolutely no need for Clark. He brings nothing to the team as a player on the ice and we have done just fine without him in the locker room while he was out with injuries.

Lastly, every time someone says that Clark sucks his defenders bring up this whole "battling injuries" nonsense. Semin also battled injuries last year playing in just 62 games, but he put up 79 points and still get crapped on by all the clueless fans for not trying hard enough. Other players battle injuries too, but when they come back they play well (Fleischmann, Pothier, etc.) Clark just sucks, plain and simple. He's been healthy since the start of this season. Stop making excuses for him. He can't even receive a pass most of the time, let alone make one. He can't shoot, he has no awareness and is in constant state of panic out there (opposite of Backstrom).

We have shipped out an extremely expensive pylon, whether he was wearing a C or not. Brilliant move by our GM. End of story.

@ caravelli

Totally agree with you on everything you said for why Ovie should be captain. He's been the de facto captain for quote some time now. If some people don't see him as a leader they should look up the definition of leadership in a dictionary. He's clearly a natural, great leader. Clark was a nice guy, but quiet by nature (which already disqualifies someone from being a leader IMO) and a crappy player. I'm not sure how a bad player can ever really be a good captain. It's very hard to tell others to be better when you suck yourself.

Posted by: ranndino | December 28, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

This is not Ovie's team. At least not yet. I would definitely recommend Brooksie. He is a heart and soul guy while Ovechkin has not transitioned into the leader yet.

Posted by: A-Contrario | December 28, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

@ FLDave

Oh, you love Gordon also. Figures. You must be one of those people who loves hard working bums with no skills.

It is very easy for me to not like Gordon. He's less skilled than many other players we have. Unlike you I appreciate skill.

This is pro sports. A team isn't gonna get better if you gonna hold back good young players for sentimental reasons like "look how hard working this guy with no skills is, he's trying so hard".

You have strange evaluation of talent. I don't see anything at all valuable in Clark or Gordon. I would take Perreault or Aucoin over them any day.

This is the NHL, not some beer league. Even your grinders need to have a decent level of skill or your team will resemble Columbus which decided that they don't need top end offensive talent like Filatov this season even though they can't score more than 2 goals in a game.

I love the Caps right now because their management and coaching staff's philosophy of how to play hockey and their talent evaluation aligns with my own.

GMGM has cleared cap space and got rid of some dead wood. Excellent work, as usual.

On that note, I'm off to eat dinner and get ready to watch tonight's game.

Posted by: ranndino | December 28, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

let's go caps!!!

Posted by: joerutgens72 | December 28, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I actually like this deal for a few reasons. It's time for Ovie to get the "C". I don't buy this "leadership skills" crap. You lead mainly by example and Ovie might be the best example in the world. In all sports (w/ a few odd exceptions) the team's best player is the captain. Gretzky, Lemieux, Messier, Crosby, Yzerman all captains. Ovie should be offered the "C" and if he says that he doesn't want it, so be it. Also, the Caps are missing a piece or 2 to really make a serious run at the Cup. They need some bangers to clean house around the nets come playoff time and the added cap room should enable them to acquire this. Clark seems like a decent guy, but he's a 34 year old journeyman type player. No one's confusing Chris Clark w/ Bobby Clarke.

Posted by: randysbailin | December 28, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

The Caps added a slightly younger player that plays a style they needed badly. They trade an older, beat up, Clark and a D-man they had to move at some point anyway. They also now have a natural left winger replacing a right winger playing on the left. The Caps also lose 2.2 or so million off the cap. Also lose that extra year on Clark's contract. Not really sure why people do not get all this and are crying about "getting bent over."

Posted by: Mike4169 | December 28, 2009 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Stecks should be the next captain. He displayed his leadership ability on the ice in big games last year, and is a leader/role model in the locker room and in the community. He's an excellent choice.

Posted by: former_mr_mom | December 28, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Bradley for Captain!!!!

Posted by: doughless

I agree, he is and has been the heart of this team. He has been the one to step up and take a beating for his team.The team respects him and he deserves the chance.He is gritty,smart and has great character.This is an obvious choice and the players know it.

Posted by: rcc11 | December 28, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Don't be surprised if Backstrom is on the short-list for captain. Leads by example, more even-tempered than Ovi, and speaks English a little better. Nod goes to Ovi, though. Can't believe that Laich is beating Ovi in the survey. Ovi is the heart of this team and Backs is his conduit. It is one of those two.

Posted by: washingtonpost31 | December 28, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

I don't mind losing Clark but you'd think a healthy season might have raised his value. A healthy Clark seems to double Chimera's offensive stats. That alone seems a decent trade but Jurcina? I believe he led the D in minutes last year, possibly the Caps best defense man. I'd almost rather Green be traded. Not for Chimera but, a big solid D. Maybe that is what Chimera will bring, the way the Caps use him, a faster Gonchar? Green seems a forward disguised as a D man. It was just a week or so back that Green was leading the team in shots with Ove out. He then had two goals, one short of a hat trick. Had he picked up the hat trick it would have doubled his season total. What was worse was that statistically it seemed like his norm where last season might have been a anomaly. Like that Orioles centerfielder who hit like 50 homers. Trade from strength. Or at least pick up some draft picks.

You'd hope they would improve the quality of D man. And not become like the Wizards. High scoring but so were the teams playing against them. 6-3 loss was an auspicious beginning, post trade. Theodore is inconsistent enough to be a third rookie. But all three have the potential to be great. Maybe there is a team wide movement for quality over quantity.

Posted by: chavez66 | December 28, 2009 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Jackets fan here (Caps too!)...we will miss Chimera. Don't forget that he was a big fish in Columbus. He'll be a little to medium fish in D.C. We have no offense in Columbus and the team has been a total disappointment. Jason is a very fast skater. Occasionally comes up with a goal skating up the boards a la Mike Gartner. Not physical enough. Definitely didn't develop into a Hitchcock style player. I wish him well in Washington...maybe even a sip from the cup!!! As noted previously, a great community man. His initial comments were that he really didn't want to leave Columbus because he had become such a part of the city.

Posted by: truthseeker48 | December 29, 2009 1:16 AM | Report abuse

As the famous Tony Soprano eloquently puts it: "Think. The big f***ing picture."

Posted by: JohnWWW | December 29, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Was Clark really "the Captain"? He missed the bulk of 2 seasons. Someone else filled his spot. He's a marginal player given the title of "C" simply because he's been there a long time and is a nice guy.

Posted by: sasha_206 | December 29, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

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