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Caps quiet (so far) on Day 1

I was informed about an hour ago that the Caps were likely to remain quiet on the opening day of free agency, but that GM George McPhee and his hockey ops staffers are still working the phones.

McPhee told us yesterday that he was comfortable with the seven defensemen currently on the roster, and true to his word, he didn't sign any of the top blue liners, most of whom found new homes this afternoon.

McPhee also hinted that he'd be willing to sign a second line center, but only if the player accepted a short-term deal and a reasonable salary. The two players many thought would be a good fit here - Saku Koivu and Matt Cullen - are now off the market.

Koivu, 35, re-upped with Anaheim for two years at $2.5 million per, and Cullen, 33, signed with Minnesota for three years at $3.5 million per.

Matthew Lombardi, 28, is still available, but word is he's looking for a long term deal in the $4 million range.

I'll have another update as soon/if the Caps decide to do something with their $4.5 million in cap space.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 1, 2010; 6:47 PM ET
 
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defeatists - now is your chance to jump ship - no need for you to take a ride that will end in april anyway - right?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 1, 2010 7:00 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Joe-say ThreeOrMore gotten a contract? He's so good, I'm, sure the KHL or AHL are calling.

Posted by: Drudge1 | July 1, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

reporterchris:
RT @nyrs_rangers: @reporterchris Lombardi wants between $3.8-$4.5 million per

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 1, 2010 7:02 PM | Report abuse

defeatists - now is your chance to jump ship - no need for you to take a ride that will end in april anyway - right?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Is it hard to post with your head up McPhee's a$$?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:03 PM | Report abuse

what is the problem with keeping it clean in here and not resort to name calling, head up the colon insinuation (or flat or accusation)?

it's like intelligent conversation and discussion sprinkled with 8 year old insults... wow! come on caps fans, let's all just hold hands and be merry...

It could be worse, you could be a die hard Pens fans from P-burgh... :-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 1, 2010 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Quick question for all the doom sayers accusing the team of not doing anything today: have any of you been in contact with McPhee, or sat in the Caps trade "warroom" and listened into trade/UFA discussions, or received texts from agents/players/other GMs?

What's that you say? "No"? Ahh, ok, just wanted to make sure, 'cause it sure seems like a lotta assumptions are being thrown around about what the Caps intended to do vs. what we end up seeing as the final result when something comes across the wire on TSN. For every guy that got signed today, you can bet your bippie that many teams were in on it before player/agent/player's wife said yay or nay to the proposed deals.

Yeah, it'd be nice to have that new used car, er, player in the driveway (sorry, not used, it's "pre-owned" these days), so I share in the disappointment. But, it'd be very interesting to hear after the fact how close the Caps did/didn't come to getting any of the various pieces on everyone's wish list. I know, we live in a results oriented world, but without knowing the actual effort involved in McPhee's perceived failures today, it's very hard to make an unbiased judgement about today's happenings.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 1, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

con't...

It's likely the Capitals would have liked to (or be required to) move some salary to attempt to pull off signing most of the guys who we wish they would have brought in. Of course, it takes two teams to tango, and who says anyone either a) wants anyone the Caps were willing to part with, or b) wants to assist the Caps by allowing them to free up space? While it seems the hierarchy is siting on their hands, who's to say they haven't been making attempts only to be spurned or find out they are unable to pull the trigger anyway as the cost of bringing guys in went higher? Do we know that they weren't among the suitors for Hamhuis? There were apparently a lot of teams still trying to snag him even after the deal was first reported as done. Same for anyone else who landed elsewhere.

This is the same scenario that many teams are going through now/went through in the past/will go through in the future. It's actually a blessing that McPhee has over $4 million to work with now as opposed to being up against the cap like the team has been of late. Maneuvering room is valuable in the event having to fill a roster spot due to a mid-season injury. Guess many here have forgotten the albatross of Nylander's contract already.

Certainly not an apologist for the regime, just poiting out that while it's easy to criticize lack of deals, unless you have been privy to the negotiations and attempts, then the anger is a little misplaced. Too many details are unknown and will likely never be known.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 1, 2010 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Why hasn't Joe-say ThreeOrMore gotten a contract? He's so good, I'm, sure the KHL or AHL are calling.

Posted by: Drudge1 | July 1, 2010 7:01 PM

Drudge, look at the goalies who have been signed so far. Almost all are backups. Nabokov and Turco has not been signed either. Starting goalies are simply not a sought-after commodity right now.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:10 PM | Report abuse

where is chickenlittle when we really need him here?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 1, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Certainly not an apologist for the regime, just poiting out that while it's easy to criticize lack of deals, unless you have been privy to the negotiations and attempts, then the anger is a little misplaced. Too many details are unknown and will likely never be known.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan

Read Ted's Take. Read McPhee's comments. It's all there, in the open, for everyone to read.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:23 PM | Report abuse

Read Ted's Take. Read McPhee's comments. It's all there, in the open, for everyone to read.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:23 PM

underpants, you know them well enough to know that neither says everything - especially not GMGM.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:28 PM | Report abuse

Koivu would have looked real good for 2 years at 2.5. GMGM - you have simply shocked me today.

Posted by: capsfansince74 | July 1, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Drudge, look at the goalies who have been signed so far. Almost all are backups. Nabokov and Turco has not been signed either. Starting goalies are simply not a sought-after commodity right now.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:10 PM

Funny how has-been goalies, ThreeOrMore, Turco and Nabby haven't gotten offers to be starters (other than $2M for Nabby and Turco from Philly). Theo is a back-up at best in the NHL (great playoff record too). Happy to see 3orMore finally get his value. In fact, funny that no ex-Caps UFA have offers. Says plenty about the NHL GMs view of the value Caps players vs. Caps fans. Don't worry we'll have TF'nSloan and Erskine on D; Flash at Center. Cup is coming next year.

Posted by: Drudge1 | July 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Drudge, look at the goalies who have been signed so far. Almost all are backups. Nabokov and Turco has not been signed either. Starting goalies are simply not a sought-after commodity right now.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:10 PM

Funny how has-been goalies, ThreeOrMore, Turco and Nabby haven't gotten offers to be starters (other than $2M for Nabby and Turco from Philly). Theo is a back-up at best in the NHL (great playoff record too). Happy to see 3orMore finally get his value. In fact, funny that no ex-Caps UFA have offers. Says plenty about the NHL GMs view of the value Caps players vs. Caps fans. Don't worry we'll have TF'nSloan and Erskine on D; Flash at Center. Cup is coming next year.

Posted by: Drudge1 | July 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

capsfan, Koivu likely wanted to stay there to continue to play with Selanne. I doubt he would have gone anywhere. Just because a player didn't get acquired doesn't mean tries weren't made.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Funny how has-been goalies, ThreeOrMore, Turco and Nabby haven't gotten offers to be starters (other than $2M for Nabby and Turco from Philly). Theo is a back-up at best in the NHL (great playoff record too). Happy to see 3orMore finally get his value. In fact, funny that no ex-Caps UFA have offers. Says plenty about the NHL GMs view of the value Caps players vs. Caps fans. Don't worry we'll have TF'nSloan and Erskine on D; Flash at Center. Cup is coming next year.


Posted by: Drudge1 | July 1, 2010 7:32 PM

Drudge, do you even know what Caps fan thought about the players who are now UFA's? They were saying to cut all of them, except maybe Belanger. So how does that view differ from them not being taken on the 1st day of free agency? Seriously, that is among the dumbest posts I've seen all day.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:35 PM | Report abuse

underpants, you know them well enough to know that neither says everything - especially not GMGM.

Posted by: timmyv38

They both said they like the team, and they aren't going to make any major changes. They haven't. Seems pretty simple.

This has been an an enormous failure, following our enormous playoff failure. The issue is, this one was within the teams control. This is a rudderless organization.

I know you love the team timmy, I respect that. But even you must agree, this is a joke.

It is salvagable. Pay Lombardi what he wants, then trade for a defender.

@timmyv38, I read all your posts, and you have a lot of good things to say. But try and give me an objective answer here. Does this make any sense? They had this town in the palm of their hands, and they pissed it away.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Everyone keeps saying "Hershey won 2 years in a row and 3 out of the last 4. Give the kids a chance!" Well? Give them a chance already! Johansson may be ready. Why not see where you are at and trade a youngster if it doesn't work out partway through the year with a cap friendly contract? Plus, we can't spend money like the Pitt Penwads do every year because was have a salary cap (somehow, they throw money all over like the Rangers and still have Cap room).

Posted by: Alexis5 | July 1, 2010 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I'm not a gloom and doomer but I am a realist and McPhee's track record speaks for itself. He's built an excellent regular season team that has not performed in the playoffs. His Caps teams are 1-5 in the postseason.

I'll give him until the beginning of the season to see what the roster looks like. McPhee stated that he was comfortable doing the following this season.

1. Perreault, Johansson as the 2C. Flash is the other in house option and has benched twice in the playoffs.

2. No upgrade on the D other than Carlson & Alzner who both were up towards the end of the season.

3. Varly & Neuvy in the nets

Those are risky moves and it could be the difference between winning the cup or another early playoff exit. Maybe they can win it all with that roster but I would say they wouldn't.

It's all on GMGM right now. His teams here have not played well in the playoffs. A third straight postseason flameout could be devastating to this team and my guess is he won't be here beyond next season if that happens.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 7:40 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38, I read all your posts, and you have a lot of good things to say. But try and give me an objective answer here. Does this make any sense? They had this town in the palm of their hands, and they pissed it away.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:36 PM |

Yes, it does make sense. The Caps failure in the playoffs, with the exception of one position (#2C), was not due to the personnel they had. It was mainly due to flaws in the system. The Caps PK system needs to be fixed, and they need to learn how to adjust mid-game. They also need players (especially Laich) to go to the front of the net - which was generally happening during the regular season. The Caps do need to address the #2C situation (and possibly the #3C position too, depending on Belanger), but they might not need to go outside the organization to do so. Understand, I'm not saying I wouldn't have liked to see them get some players in free agency - I just don't see it as a necessity.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm disappointed we didn't get Volchenkov. Realistically, he probably wasn't coming here unless he was willing to give a discount in order to play with Ovi. On the other hand, would his coming have made any difference if the Caps don't change their systems - especially on the PK, where AV was very effective in the Sens aggressive system? If we continue with the passive PK approach, Schultz can stand there and watch the shooting gallery as well as AV could.

They have to bring in a decent center before training camp, one way or another. The only options currently on the roster are either too young or of questionable ability to perform at the necessary level on a consistent basis.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Yes, it does make sense. The Caps failure in the playoffs, with the exception of one position (#2C), was not due to the personnel they had. It was mainly due to flaws in the system. The Caps PK system needs to be fixed, and they need to learn how to adjust mid-game. They also need players (especially Laich) to go to the front of the net - which was generally happening during the regular season. The Caps do need to address the #2C situation (and possibly the #3C position too, depending on Belanger), but they might not need to go outside the organization to do so. Understand, I'm not saying I wouldn't have liked to see them get some players in free agency - I just don't see it as a necessity.

Posted by: timmyv38

AV goes a long way in fixing your PK. They decided not to get rid of BB, so the systme isn't changing. Something needs to give here.

The failure is George McPhee's.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:51 PM | Report abuse

underpants, let me illustrate my point. Here is a potential roster (with no new players):

Ovie-Backs-Knuble (possibly the best 1st line around)
Semin-MaJo/MP-Laich
Chimera-Belanger-Fehr (or switch Laich/Fehr)
Bradley-Steckel-Gordon

Schultz-Green (the most effective defensive pairing last season)
Other 4 dmen would be Poti, Alzner, Carlson, Erskine - not sure in what order

Keep in mind, quite a few of these players have been improving steadily. Backstrom, Laich, Fehr, Semin, Green, and Schultz especially. Carlson, Alzner, Varly, and Neuvirth all showed tremendous promise last season. Even without new players, this is a better team than last season.

Now, I would not mind seeing Flash and Erskine traded for a good dman. As I have said, I see no place on the Caps for Flash, and Erskine is the most expendable dman.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

AV goes a long way in fixing your PK. They decided not to get rid of BB, so the systme isn't changing. Something needs to give here.

The failure is George McPhee's.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:51 PM

AV might or might not. He has his flaws, and I think they might show more in the Caps system than they did at Ottawa. And saying the system isn't going to change because BB is here is downright ignorant. He has already had changes to the system during his tenure as coach. The failure is not on GMGM - he sismply didn't make any unnnecessary panic moves.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for going with Johannson, Perreault, Neuvirth, Alzner, and Carlson to start the season. Give these guys a month or two and see how well we're doing. As Caps fans we should be well aware that Stanley Cups are not won in October and November and December with 20 game winning streaks. If the team is a good but not great team come January or February the 4 million that wasn't spent on Olli Jokinen or Derek Boogard can be used to acquire a big time player with an expiring contract like Brad Richards or Mikko Koivu. I'm all for just going with this team as is, and making 1 or 2 additions on the fly if needed.

Posted by: chrisclarksucks | July 1, 2010 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Timmy,

My argument would be that this team is ready to win now. Hoping that young guys grow and become difference makers is very risky when the Cup is there for the taking.

And Green & Schultz were huge defensive liabilities in the playoffs. That wasn't about the system. It was about two guys who simply aren't very sound in their own end. And Schultz is a perfect example of a guy who showed improvement in the regular season and then regressed in the playoffs. That's what often happens to young guys.

I'm not for spending huge in FA but IMO this team needs some tweaking to get to the next step. I don't think it's realistic to depend on all those young guys. I am hoping by the time the season starts we see a trade like you mentioned with Flash or some other guys in the pipeline for a Dman and a solid 2C.

If GMGM does nothing then I see more of the same next season and that will mean the end of GMGM most likely.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

And one more point Timmy. I agree with your points about BB. But GMGM chose BB and if he is stubborn enough to just leave him there then that is on GMGM. It's his call. He's got the power so either way it's on him just as much as it's on BB.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:07 PM | Report abuse

JDR, I agree that they are ready to win now. And that's what the lineup I posted was about. Try MaJo or MP at #2C - you don't know how they'll perform until you try. If they don't work out, then get a #2C during the season.

The 1st, 3rd and 4th lines are all fine - unless Belanger signs elsewhere. The defense will be fine, although one more solid dman would help.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:09 PM | Report abuse

Well, whatever happens or doesn't happen we will have it covered this Saturday on Japers' Rink Radio with guest Corey Masisak at 10 am at www.blogtalkradio/japersrinkradio and also archived after the fact there and on itunes.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | July 1, 2010 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Caps sued over Weagle logo...
http://www.icethetics.info/

Posted by: FedsFanForever | July 1, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

We'll respectfully agree to disagree. I don't think the D will be fine. I think it will once again be an achilles heel.

I hope I am wrong but I don't like trusting a ton of young guys on a team this close. We shall see.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:12 PM | Report abuse

And one more point Timmy. I agree with your points about BB. But GMGM chose BB and if he is stubborn enough to just leave him there then that is on GMGM. It's his call. He's got the power so either way it's on him just as much as it's on BB.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:07 PM

Yes, he did choose BB. He chose the coach who got us 3 straight titles. He chose the coach who got us our first playoff series win in over a decade. He chose the coach who got us our 1st Presidents' Trophy. And before BB was hired (as in for the first half of that season) the Caps were dead last in the SE and near the bottom of the NHL. Sounds like a heck of a choice to me. It's amazing how short the memories of some of you are.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

Keep in mind, we could have had AV, the guy, you included, have been begging for since last year.

So we are going with Erskine? AWESOME! How about Sloan? AWESOME.

You have been calling for a center for Semin this entire time, and you are saying MJ/MP for 2nd center? Morrison and Federov are better than both of those guys.

Right now, we have one center that's any good. In fact, can you name a worse 2nd line center than the 2nd line center we may start with this year. Pittsburgh, better. Philly, better. NJ, better. Ott, better. Boston, better. TB, better. Buffalo, better. Carolina, better. Should I start in the West too?

Championships are won down the middle. C

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

The Caps will go into next year younger and more inexperienced than this year.
The Devils and Penguins got better and more experienced than they were last year. The Caps took a step back, while better managed teams took a step forward.

There is a reason those organizations have Cups.

Write this in stone:
THE CAPS WILL NOT WIN A CUP NEXT YEAR.

Posted by: mdmtnbiker | July 1, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Oops, that should be www.blogtalkradio.com/japersrinkradio.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | July 1, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

hockey and baseball are similar in this respect... gotta be strong up the middle if you wanna win... the Cup, not the stupid and meaningless Prez trophy.

that means strong goaltending, defense and centers... they have one of those three, goaltending.

one outta three ain't gonna get it done in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

@mdmtnbiker right on, right on mcfrugal doesn't not understand that there's always room for improvement. we could have afforded volchenkov.

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 1, 2010 8:17 PM | Report abuse

You have been calling for a center for Semin this entire time, and you are saying MJ/MP for 2nd center? Morrison and Federov are better than both of those guys.

Right now, we have one center that's any good. In fact, can you name a worse 2nd line center than the 2nd line center we may start with this year. Pittsburgh, better. Philly, better. NJ, better. Ott, better. Boston, better. TB, better. Buffalo, better. Carolina, better. Should I start in the West too?

Championships are won down the middle. C

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:14 PM

underpants, how many times have you seen MJ play with the Caps? Zero. So how do you know if BMo or Feds are better? Or any other 2nd line center? You don't - you're simply ranting pointlessly.

And we have 3 (4 if Belanger re-signs) good centers. The only line currently missing a good center is the 2nd - and we have options there.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Volchenkov -- in NJ, this guy I would have liked in a Caps' jersey, oh well. I hate that he is in the swamps of northern NJ.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | July 1, 2010 8:22 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a short memory Timmy. I would just rather win the Cup than the President's trophy and what has been a horrible division.

I like BB but if they flame out next year what will you say? It's about winning it all.

Like I said, it's all on GMGM and BB right now. Another flame out in the playoffs and all hell breaks loose. Do you not agree?

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

underpants, how many times have you seen MJ play with the Caps? Zero. So how do you know if BMo or Feds are better? Or any other 2nd line center? You don't - you're simply ranting pointlessly.

And we have 3 (4 if Belanger re-signs) good centers. The only line currently missing a good center is the 2nd - and we have options there.

Posted by: timmyv38

YOU have been calling for a center for Semin since the playoffs? Yes or no, will you be happy with MJ/MP?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Timmy V, I agree almost completely with your points. The biggest needs for this year, as highlighted in the playoffs, are more system than personnel. First, the PK needs to be dramatically overhauled to become more aggressive. Second, Fehr and Laich (and others as well) have to be convinced that they need to go to the net more consistently and aggressively. I have less confidence than you do in MJ and MP serving as full time centers this year - I think the chance of success there is about 10%. A big, physical, mobile d-man would be great, but I would put that need after the PK, net presence, and 2C/3C needs.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 8:25 PM | Report abuse

YOU have been calling for a center for Semin since the playoffs? Yes or no, will you be happy with MJ/MP?


Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:24 PM |

I would be happy giving them a shot and then deciding - which is what I have been saying. Just a few years back, Caps fans were moaning that Backstrom would never work, that he was too young, that he was being brought up too soon, etc. He certainly worked out - MJ deserves the same shot.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

I don't have a short memory Timmy. I would just rather win the Cup than the President's trophy and what has been a horrible division.

I like BB but if they flame out next year what will you say? It's about winning it all.

Like I said, it's all on GMGM and BB right now. Another flame out in the playoffs and all hell breaks loose. Do you not agree?

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:24 PM

You sure seem to have a short memory. Pre-BB the Caps weren't winning anything, except an early draft pick. With him, they have improved every single season - from barely winning the division, to 2nd in the East, to winning the Presidents' Trophy.

After this season, there will be a number of changes no matter what. It's far too early to try to predict how anything will go, except it is very likely that the Caps will be among the top 3 teams in the NHL.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:31 PM | Report abuse

the only troll-like behavior in here is being displayed by the folks throwin out chickenlittle tags. You're right, we should just always be happy and trust in all that is McPhee.

Its like you all got Randall McMurtry'd

oh yeah almost forgot to add

Nurse Ratched MCPHEE BLOWSZZZ! or should i say, our DUMPSTER DIVER GM BLOWZ!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:34 PM | Report abuse

Timmy V, I agree almost completely with your points. The biggest needs for this year, as highlighted in the playoffs, are more system than personnel. First, the PK needs to be dramatically overhauled to become more aggressive. Second, Fehr and Laich (and others as well) have to be convinced that they need to go to the net more consistently and aggressively. I have less confidence than you do in MJ and MP serving as full time centers this year - I think the chance of success there is about 10%. A big, physical, mobile d-man would be great, but I would put that need after the PK, net presence, and 2C/3C needs.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 8:25 PM

Agreed on pretty much all points. Fehr did greatly improve on his play around the net last season, and I think he will continue to. Laich needs to be more consistent with going to the net - he has done very well at it the past two seasons, when he actually does it.

MJ/MP might not work out, but they still deserve a shot. A 10% chance is about what any people gave Backstrom, so that doesn't bother me too much.

As for needs - I'm with you.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I would be happy giving them a shot and then deciding - which is what I have been saying. Just a few years back, Caps fans were moaning that Backstrom would never work, that he was too young, that he was being brought up too soon, etc. He certainly worked out - MJ deserves the same shot.

Posted by: timmyv38

Now you are comparing MJ to Backstrom. Timmyv38, I am sorry, it is clear you are not capable of objective thinking. Our second line center situation is terrible. We are not a team that is rebuilding, like we were when Backstrom was a rookie. We are a team that should be doing whatever necessary to win a Stanley Cup. And news Flash, you still have Erskine penciled into the top 6. How do we address that?

The Caps as a team, continue to let opponents off the mat in the playoffs, never going for the knockout punch. Has any team in NHL history blown more two game leads in playoff series? I doubt it.

Our GM now let's all the other teams in the Eastern Conference of the mat. Rather than going for a knockout punch, he sits back and watches. He watches Shero (1 Cup), improve his team. He watches Lamerello (3 Cups) improve his team. He watches Holgren (Conf Champ) improve his team.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:35 PM | Report abuse

I think lots of comments in here that seem critical of GM, and the lack of moves today, stem from a frustration that we literally are one or two players away from a Cup. Also, stop with that 'FIRE BRUCE' crap.

The problem is that those one or two players have been available recently (this year and last) but have not been obtained. No, I'm not in the war-room with GM, but that doesn't mean that I/we can't see deals that need to be made. This isn't the armpit of the NHL anymore. Players WANT to come here. They WANT to play with OV, Backstrom, Semin (I don't, but they do), Green, etc, etc. I wish they would find a way to make one of these deals to be able to hoist a Cup NOW.

The Caps have done things the right way, up until now. However, now is the time to put the last pieces in place - that's all most of us are saying. Winning the Division is crap; winning the President's trophy is nice, but still crap; winning the Cup is what should matter and what the Caps should hang their hat on.

Posted by: drewsie | July 1, 2010 8:37 PM | Report abuse

and getting Ladd for Vishnevsky and a 2nd? great deal for Atlanta. So far their GM has been nothing short of awesome. Impotent George should meet Mr Dudley some day. Maybe he'll learn a thing or two about wheelin and dealin. McFly's gonna rest on his John Carlson laurels for the next 10 yrs.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:38 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how many of the supposed fans on here were around pre-Bruce? I suspect not too many or you would not be calling for his head. Yes it sucks getting knocked out of the playoffs. But knowing Bruce, this team will be better this year. I saw what he could do in Hershey and I saw what he has done in Washington. I say give the young guys from Hershey a chance. Winners are not an accident... To all the doubters... Go jump on another wagon.

Posted by: jbears1 | July 1, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2 You seem to have your firmly planted up yours.

Why people want the Caps to go the Redskins route is beyond me.

Last summer the Caps signed two UFA's. One, Knuble worked out but isn't a long-term solution at his position simply because of his age. The other, B-Morrisonn, wasn't retained.

Tom Poti and Brian Pothier have been so-so acquisitions at best. Pothier was dumped at the deadline because he too wasn't going to be retained and Poti's days are numbered too.

Of course aren't you glad GMGM signed Theodore to only a two year contract instead of four or more?

And then there's Nylander. We weren't even half-way through his contract before we wanted out of it.

Now if a player like Volchenkov was willing to take a 2 maybe 3 year contract, then yes, the Caps should have done it. But 5, 6 years? No way.

Posted by: CapsNut | July 1, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

MJ/MP might not work out, but they still deserve a shot. A 10% chance is about what any people gave Backstrom, so that doesn't bother me too much.

As for needs - I'm with you.

Posted by: timmyv38

Backstrom was the 4th pick in a deep draft. Nobody gave him a 10% chance, that is just absurd.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

To be specific on my feelings on needs:

1. Fix PK.
2. #2/3C situation. See if Belanger re-signs, and replace him if not. Try MJ/MP at #2C, and get another center if they don't work.
3. Get Laich to go more consistently to the net, or move him to the 3rd and Fehr to the 2nd.
4. Get rid of Flash.
5. Get a dman.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad you're happy with President's trophies then. Sure it's a nice step up but I'd rather win the Cup and I haven't seen anything in the past two years come playoff time that makes me think they can win it all with the roster they have right now.

And the Caps weren't a top 3 team when it counted most. It seems to me like a lot of folks are excited just to be one of the top teams in the regular season.

Look at guys like Lou and Shero. They have rings and aren't standing pat.

The ultimate judge is your record when the playoffs are over. And the past two years the Caps have been an excellent regular season team which I give GMGM and BB full credit for. But it's time to take it to the next level and I have a suspicion that we'll be having this same discussion next year unless GMGM makes some moves.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:42 PM | Report abuse

The Caps as a team, continue to let opponents off the mat in the playoffs, never going for the knockout punch. Has any team in NHL history blown more two game leads in playoff series? I doubt it.
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that's symptomatic of the personality of this team. Soft as butta

Its not even that they let off during a series. They let off during games right after they catch up to tie a game you can see an immediate dropoff in effort. Happens in the reg season and happens in the playoffs. Doesn't happen every time but happens frequently enough where its valid to question what the intestinal fortitude of this team really is. The Caps are famous for turning it on to make up for a slack effort. Then once they're back in the game or leap ahead, they go right back to the same terrible habits that got them to fall behind in the first place. No killer instinct isn't just a cliche, its their personality. Propagates right down from the top. And when BB decides to go easy on them if they pull out a game despite a bad effort, then the msg is sent loud and clear. If you can turn it on just enough to squeak by, then no one's gonna hold your feet to the fire.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

tampa would have made the playoffs last year had they had NHL caliber goaltending... they do now with Ellis

atlanta got better too, this is actually good news for the Caps... having a division that could send more than one team to the playoffs

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Timmy V, I think expecting MJ to come in and do what Backstrom did is asking a lot. Backstrom is an elite player, already one of the best in the NHL and he is still a kid. Judging from the World Junior's, MJ is good but not at that level. I have high hopes for MJ, but a year in Hershey would do him a world of good.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 8:45 PM | Report abuse

I will say this about GMGM, at the trade deadline he talks about not get value back in a deal. In free agency he talks about not getting value for your dollar. He is constantly pointing to how deep and how many players we have in the pipeline and he is right about all of that. BUT I feel like he is building a team that will be good for a long time, but at some point you have to sell out a little. (look at the blackhawks, they had to shed a lot of contracts this summer but i doubt anyone in chicago would trade you that cup to get ladd and versteeg back) At some point you say "boys we are going for it. we might be worse off come july, but we will have our name on the cup"


Still got a long way to go before April, so he has plenty of time to come to that

Posted by: SFcapsfan | July 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Backstrom was the 4th pick in a deep draft. Nobody gave him a 10% chance, that is just absurd.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:40 PM

At the time he was brought up, he was given very little chance by many Caps fans. It's not absurd, it's fact.

I'm sorry that you're so absorbed by your negativity, but the Caps are much better off than you think. They MIGHT need a new #2 and/or #3 center, but there is no way to know yet. They MIGHT need another dman, but Green-Schultz, Carlson-Alzner, Poti-Erskine is a workable situation. I'm not the biggest Erskine fan, but he's not the terrible dman you and many others seem to think.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Backstrom was the 4th pick in a deep draft. Nobody gave him a 10% chance, that is just absurd.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:40 PM | Report abuse

I bet timmyboy thinks that was one of GMGM's many RISKY moves...

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

lol, so the Caps are goin the Redskins route if they sign some top FAs? wow, that's an overly simplistic comparison.

If the Skins signed a bunch of lunchpail hardworking offensive linemen who do the dirty work and get the job done, they wouldn't be the laughing stock of past offseasons. They ignored the trenches on that team for too long and it caught upto em. Kind of what the Caps are doin. The Caps can be smart and sign the right FAs, and it doesn't matter if they're the big name guys or not. But they have to be the guys who are willing to do all the dirty work when things get dicey. And right now, thats what this team really lacks. A bunch of fancypants who don't like to get their noses dirty aside from a few players or guys who take too many shifts for granted and don't end up with any repercussions.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

that's symptomatic of the personality of this team. Soft as butta

Its not even that they let off during a series. They let off during games right after they catch up to tie a game you can see an immediate dropoff in effort. Happens in the reg season and happens in the playoffs. Doesn't happen every time but happens frequently enough where its valid to question what the intestinal fortitude of this team really is. The Caps are famous for turning it on to make up for a slack effort. Then once they're back in the game or leap ahead, they go right back to the same terrible habits that got them to fall behind in the first place. No killer instinct isn't just a cliche, its their personality. Propagates right down from the top. And when BB decides to go easy on them if they pull out a game despite a bad effort, then the msg is sent loud and clear. If you can turn it on just enough to squeak by, then no one's gonna hold your feet to the fire.

Posted by: cstanton1

It's sad. Everyone's too comfortable. Then, Brendan Morrison points it out, and it gets swept under the rug, even by the guy that covers this team (YOU TEB).

We need some new blood. It's ours for the taking, but we don't want to take it. Can't deviate from the 5 YEAR PLAN.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Backs was far from a risky move. He was a top 5-6 pick on most draft boards.

McPee has no balllz. He's just a play it safe guy who probably sprains his shoulder pattin himself on his back with all the wonderful offensive talent he feels he has assembled. I bet his wet dreams consist of 20 goal games.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Timmy V, I think expecting MJ to come in and do what Backstrom did is asking a lot. Backstrom is an elite player, already one of the best in the NHL and he is still a kid. Judging from the World Junior's, MJ is good but not at that level. I have high hopes for MJ, but a year in Hershey would do him a world of good.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 8:45 PM

I'm not expecting him to - I'm just saying give him a shot. He might or might not work out. I'll be honest - I've never seen him play, so I don't know what to expect. But I do know it is agreed that he is talented. He might not be NHL-ready, but maybe he is.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

It's a fact that many Caps fan thought Backstrom would not be successful when he was brought here. Is that what you are saying?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

at some point you have to sell out a little. (look at the blackhawks, they had to shed a lot of contracts this summer but i doubt anyone in chicago would trade you that cup to get ladd and versteeg back) At some point you say "boys we are going for it. we might be worse off come july, but we will have our name on the cup"


Still got a long way to go before April, so he has plenty of time to come to that

Posted by: SFcapsfan | July 1, 2010 8:46 PM | Report abuse

judging by the huge crowd that showed up at the parade - 2 million strong - I'm sure that they're very happy that they did what they had to do to win the Cup.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 8:52 PM | Report abuse

worst thing you can do to carlson is pair him w/Alz at this level, at least next season. Even Poti's a better choice than Alzner is. Just because those 2 were paired in Hershey doesn't mean you can simply plug em into an NHL lineup. Carlson's ready, Alzner needs help. He's way too passive and timid in the defensive zone and that kind of play won't fly against 6ft3 forwards who skate with the speed and aggression of nhl players. And Carlson will have to overcompensate.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:53 PM | Report abuse

On a related point, I am psyched for prospects camp. I want to see how MJ, Orlov, and Kugryshev look. I want to see Kuznetzov and Galiev. I want to see Della Rovere and lawnmower man Finley mix it up. I want to see if Little Gus can get through the first 10 minutes without a concussion.

Bring it on!

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 8:54 PM | Report abuse

what was mcphee's famous line?

"keepin the powder dry"

well that powder done blown away dude.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

1. Comparing Backstrom and Johansson is beyond apples & oranges. Nicky was brought in during a rebuilding phase and was considered by all to be an elite prospect.

2. Jbears. Please don't insult people by saying they are bandwagon fans just because we don't drink the kool-aid. I've been a fan since 78'. The AHL and NHL are two completely different animals. Winning at one level doesn't mean success at the next. That's why Hershey has won with 3 different coaches.

3. We've tried going with different guys at 2C. Bmo, Nylander, Flash. Now we're talking about giving it to guys with no NHL experience. It's a major reason we struggle come playoff time. Get a legit 2C GMGM.

4. The division is getting better. It's not going to be the cake walk that it was last year.

GMGM still has a lot of time to add to this team and I am hoping he is looking at trades to upgrade the roster. If he goes into next season with no upgrades from what we have now then I see the playoffs next year as another disappointment.

Posted by: JDR1970 | July 1, 2010 8:55 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

It's a fact that many Caps fan thought Backstrom would not be successful when he was brought here. Is that what you are saying?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 8:52 PM

No, you obviously aren't reading my posts very well. I said that at the time he was brought up, many fans said it was too early and that he wasn't ready yet. I never said (or even implied) that people thought he wasn't a good pick, I simply said that many thought he was brought up too quick.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 8:58 PM | Report abuse

the only troll-like behavior in here is being displayed by the folks throwin out chickenlittle tags.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:34 PM

wow - someone's got their mcpanties in a bunch

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 1, 2010 9:00 PM | Report abuse

worst thing you can do to carlson is pair him w/Alz at this level, at least next season. Even Poti's a better choice than Alzner is. Just because those 2 were paired in Hershey doesn't mean you can simply plug em into an NHL lineup. Carlson's ready, Alzner needs help. He's way too passive and timid in the defensive zone and that kind of play won't fly against 6ft3 forwards who skate with the speed and aggression of nhl players. And Carlson will have to overcompensate.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 1, 2010 8:53 PM

Then put Carlson with Poti. They worked very well last season. Like I said earlier, I didn't have a particular setup for the bottom 4 dmen.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:01 PM | Report abuse

No, you obviously aren't reading my posts very well. I said that at the time he was brought up, many fans said it was too early and that he wasn't ready yet. I never said (or even implied) that people thought he wasn't a good pick, I simply said that many thought he was brought up too quick.

Posted by: timmyv38

No, you said many caps fans were moaning that Backstrom would never work when he was brought in. You said only about 10% of caps fans thought it would work.

Caps fans have always believed Backstrom was as close to a sure thing as you could get. Does anyone feel like MJ or MP is a sure thing? Anyone?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

CStanton, I think you make a fair point about pairing Alzner and Carlson. Conventional wisdom says you don't pair two guys who are essentially rookies - that's a disaster waiting to happen. I do think their skills complement each others' though, and I see them as a long term pair. And I think Carlson may be the bigger concern than Alzner in the near term. Alzner can be counted on to be in position. Carlson tends to take risks to make the big offensive play, sometimes excessive risks. So whoever they pair him with better be ready to cover for him. If the Caps added a legitimate first pair d-man, Schultz might be good for the job - he has lots of experience covering for Green.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

sign laing and his strong heart not gordon and his weak back

Posted by: wendel2 | July 1, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

No, you said many caps fans were moaning that Backstrom would never work when he was brought in. You said only about 10% of caps fans thought it would work.

Caps fans have always believed Backstrom was as close to a sure thing as you could get. Does anyone feel like MJ or MP is a sure thing? Anyone?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 9:04 PM

As I said, you didn't read my posts well. That was in reference to the season he was brought in - which is why I said "he was brought up too early, he was too young, etc." Stop trying to twist my posts - I know what I wrote. Your negativity is severely clouding your view right now.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Wendel, Laing tends to be the forgotten man, but I hope the Caps find a place for him. Nobody has more guts than that guy.

Posted by: zmega | July 1, 2010 9:14 PM | Report abuse

GMGM stuck to his guns, and did exactly what he said he would do... Again March 2011 will be when things get really exciting, and we can get the pieces we are missing..We have to give these youngs guys a chance.. If they cant do it we can fill holes at the trade deadline...

Posted by: CapsBaby | July 1, 2010 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Everyone calm down. The Caps are still one of the best teams in the NHL even with our recent playoff series. In the last two years we had one bad series, lost to the Cup champs in the second round after having a slow start in round one. The Caps have still be one of the best teams in the league the last few years. This team needs minor tweaks.

Second, one reason why the Caps are waiting a bit with signing guys is right now they are guessing on their cap space. The $4.5 million they say they have is a bit of a guess right now. If one of their RFAs declines the offer they got and it goes to Arbitration they might get more then the number the Caps have in mind. If we had signed someone like AV and had less then $0.25 of space that could mean Alzner or someone else has to be kept in the minors who BB and the team want in the NHL but can't have and stay under the Cap.

Third there are still players like Andy Sutton and Pavel Kubina are both still out there on the D and John Madden and Mike Modano are still available and could give the Caps a much needed veteran since Knuble is the only player we have who has ever won a Cup and that was long ago. If the Caps get Sutton and Madden our PK will be much stronger and we have all season to develop a Hershey player into a quality second line center by the playoffs.

The key is to not over react to one bad playoff series. Teams or players can get hot or cold and we ran into a hot goalie and lost. The year before we got to a game 7 against the eventual Cup champs. If we don't get two horrible bounces in OT where we tip in goals on ourselves it could have been Ovechkin and Co. holding the Cup instead of Crosby. Not saying it was going to happen but it is not like this the Toronto or Flordia who have not been competitive in years. This is a strong team that should not be taken apart for a one year chance. GMGM and the rest of those in charge know the best chance to win a Cup is to be good year in and year out. Look at Detroit in the years after their '02 Cup before their '08 Cup. Good every year and when they did fail in the first round of the playoffs they made minor adjustments and won the Cup. The Hawks may have won this year but they had to get rid of so many role players they will be much worse (not bad but worse) next season. If they had not won the Cup they would have taken a lot of heat for risking their future for one year. The Caps have the team that can win this year if they can play in the playoffs like they played in the season last year and can compete for many years and will have many good chances to win the Cup.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 1, 2010 9:16 PM | Report abuse

or they could start sacrificing a few animals to have better luck in the playoffs... as timmyboy keeps saying the flyers just got lucky in the playoffs and won 3 series, one of which was the comeback from a 3 games to none deficit.

Luck is all you need, it's all flukes

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

We all know you think Alzner is not ready. You are in the small minority. Most hockey scouts and hockey experts believe Alzner is more than ready to be a good NHL defenseman next year. That is fact. What will happen is yet to be determined.

The Alzner and Carlson combination did very well in game 7. The only mistake either of those two made was by Carlson (lazy on goal #2). It was only one game and no overreaching conclusions should be made from it. But that pair performed fine in that clutch situation.

On Volchenkov. If AV would've signed with the Caps for the exact same contract NJ gave him but the Caps just did not offer it to him, then I think GMGM made a BIG mistake not doing that. $4.25/yr cap hit for AV would have absolutely been worth it.

However, we do NOT know if AV would've signed here for the same contract. Maybe he did not want to live in Washington, maybe his wife wanted to live in NYC (just because the player plays in NJ doesn't mean the family can't live in NYC) or maybe there was some other reason. I don't know and neither does anyone here.

But, like I said earlier, IF AV could have been acquired for the same contract NJ gave him, but GMGM just decided not to do it, then GMGM failed and made a big mistake.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 1, 2010 9:20 PM | Report abuse

why does everyone around this team seem to think you can buy cheap defense??

it's that mentality that could prevent this team from ever winning the Cup. Stopping the other team from scoring is just as much of a skill as scoring goals yourself in any sport.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:24 PM | Report abuse

or they could start sacrificing a few animals to have better luck in the playoffs... as timmyboy keeps saying the flyers just got lucky in the playoffs and won 3 series, one of which was the comeback from a 3 games to none deficit.

Luck is all you need, it's all flukes

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:20 PM

They got lucky in their opponents. Sometimes that gives enough momentum. And you notice what happened when they did run into a top team? They lost in 6 - just like they would hae if they had run into the Caps or Pens. joke, you should stop being a jerk.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Everyone calm down. The Caps are still one of the best teams in the NHL even with our recent playoff series. In the last two years we had one bad series, lost to the Cup champs in the second round after having a slow start in round one. The Caps have still be one of the best teams in the league the last few years. This team needs minor tweaks.

Second, one reason why the Caps are waiting a bit with signing guys is right now they are guessing on their cap space. The $4.5 million they say they have is a bit of a guess right now. If one of their RFAs declines the offer they got and it goes to Arbitration they might get more then the number the Caps have in mind. If we had signed someone like AV and had less then $0.25 of space that could mean Alzner or someone else has to be kept in the minors who BB and the team want in the NHL but can't have and stay under the Cap.

Third there are still players like Andy Sutton and Pavel Kubina are both still out there on the D and John Madden and Mike Modano are still available and could give the Caps a much needed veteran since Knuble is the only player we have who has ever won a Cup and that was long ago. If the Caps get Sutton and Madden our PK will be much stronger and we have all season to develop a Hershey player into a quality second line center by the playoffs.

The key is to not over react to one bad playoff series. Teams or players can get hot or cold and we ran into a hot goalie and lost. The year before we got to a game 7 against the eventual Cup champs. If we don't get two horrible bounces in OT where we tip in goals on ourselves it could have been Ovechkin and Co. holding the Cup instead of Crosby. Not saying it was going to happen but it is not like this the Toronto or Flordia who have not been competitive in years. This is a strong team that should not be taken apart for a one year chance. GMGM and the rest of those in charge know the best chance to win a Cup is to be good year in and year out. Look at Detroit in the years after their '02 Cup before their '08 Cup. Good every year and when they did fail in the first round of the playoffs they made minor adjustments and won the Cup. The Hawks may have won this year but they had to get rid of so many role players they will be much worse (not bad but worse) next season. If they had not won the Cup they would have taken a lot of heat for risking their future for one year. The Caps have the team that can win this year if they can play in the playoffs like they played in the season last year and can compete for many years and will have many good chances to win the Cup.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 1, 2010 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the doubble post on in NY at a hotel site was taking forever so I tried again

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 1, 2010 9:26 PM | Report abuse

why does everyone around this team seem to think you can buy cheap defense??

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:24 PM

Aside from you, I have yet to see anyone say that particular view.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Wow! I had a busy day at work and wasn't able to read the comments until now. What a waste of my time. All you armchair GMs with all the answers really need to get a grip and calm down. You sound like a bunch of 6 year olds arguing over a toy in the playground.

Posted by: tess2201 | July 1, 2010 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Here is interesting history the Detroit Red Wings.(91 lost in round 1),(92 lost round 2),(93 lost round 1),(94 lost round 1),(95 lost in finals),(96 lost round 3),(97 won stanley cup).The first since 1955. It still maybe a long road for Cap fans.

Posted by: sporttraveler | July 1, 2010 9:30 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

It was not all luck the Flyers got in, but they had their fare share.

There are flukes in hockey, the nature of the sport makes it that way.

Does Philly have talent? Absolutely. Pronger is a great defenseman and they have other very good defensemen. They also have some very good skill up front.

But you do have to realize they were a shootout against the Rangers from failing to make the playoffs. Think how close that is to not making it. Shootouts in the NHL are basically 50/50. Especially when Boucher is your goalie and if your facing Lundqvist it is probably less.

They did win and that is all that matters.

But if that shootout, with the same players inder the same circumstances was held 100 times, how many do you think the Flyers would win? I would go with around 40(I think Lundqvist is that good).

The Krecji injury story has already been detailed here as well. So no need to list everything.

In no way is luck only present with the Flyers, and in no way is it only luck. Teams use skill to give themselves the best CHANCE to win. Such as if one team has 5 scoring chances in a game at 10% chance of scoring for each chance and the other team has 10 scoring in the same game at 10% chance of scoring. The better team is able to generate more chances and will statistically win more games, but there will be occassion when the team with only 5 chances will beat the team with 10 chances. It's statistics and is proven math that has been used for many years so there is no need to argue statistics and probabiltiies.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 1, 2010 9:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty surprised at all of the criticism here. Do the people who wanted McPhee to grab a high profile defenseman or 2nd line center today really think the players available are better than the ones we have on the team now? Give me a break. Nobody out there is worth 3.5 to 4 million/year for 3+ years. All that does is screw the team with the salary cap. Honestly - this was a craptacular crop of lousy free agents.

I wouldn't have minded adding Hamhuis, but the money and years he wanted are ear marked for our own talent - Carlson and Alzner. And yes, perhaps even Mike Green. $3.5 Mil + for Lombardi? Get real. How about we stick with Aucoin or Perrault for now and make a deal during the season if they screw the pooch.

This team blew it in the playoffs. Welcome to the world of being a Caps fan bandwagoners. The fact of the matter is the Caps were the best team in the league last year for a reason. The Bears again were the best team in the AHL for a reason. The players in the organization are in many cases better and all cases more affordable in a salary cap era then the clowns that were on the market today. Remember how awful it was being stuck with contracts like Nylander - long term, high price, no production, bad fit, etc, etc, etc.? This isn't football. The Caps don't run the organization like the Redskins.

Thank GOD McPhee didn't sign any of these guys today. If we're going to acquire someone of value it isn't going to come via free agency. It'll come via a trade. More likely, it will come from further development of guys on the team or in the system.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty surprised at all of the criticism here. Do the people who wanted McPhee to grab a high profile defenseman or 2nd line center today really think the players available are better than the ones we have on the team now? Give me a break. Nobody out there is worth 3.5 to 4 million/year for 3+ years. All that does is screw the team with the salary cap. Honestly - this was a craptacular crop of lousy free agents.

I wouldn't have minded adding Hamhuis, but the money and years he wanted are ear marked for our own talent - Carlson and Alzner. And yes, perhaps even Mike Green. $3.5 Mil + for Lombardi? Get real. How about we stick with Aucoin or Perrault for now and make a deal during the season if they screw the pooch.

This team blew it in the playoffs. Welcome to the world of being a Caps fan bandwagoners. The fact of the matter is the Caps were the best team in the league last year for a reason. The Bears again were the best team in the AHL for a reason. The players in the organization are in many cases better and all cases more affordable in a salary cap era then the clowns that were on the market today. Remember how awful it was being stuck with contracts like Nylander - long term, high price, no production, bad fit, etc, etc, etc.? This isn't football. The Caps don't run the organization like the Redskins.

Thank GOD McPhee didn't sign any of these guys today. If we're going to acquire someone of value it isn't going to come via free agency. It'll come via a trade. More likely, it will come from further development of guys on the team or in the system.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

were the Caps playing with one hand tied behind their back when they played the Habs... so when the Flyers beat the Habs, they just got lucky but when the Caps faced the Habs, what happened??

I bet timmyboy got the explanation??

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Wow - I'm so passionate about this I posted it twice. Take that! Take that twice!

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 9:36 PM | Report abuse

@ DisgustedinArlington

let me ask you something... do the Patriots ever sign any FAs? how about the Colts? or the Lakers? the Celtics? how about the Blackhawks?? the Pens?? the Wings??? the Yankees? the Philliess???

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:37 PM | Report abuse

were the Caps playing with one hand tied behind their back when they played the Habs... so when the Flyers beat the Habs, they just got lucky but when the Caps faced the Habs, what happened??

I bet timmyboy got the explanation??

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:32 PM

So many things you don't understand, joke.

1. I never said the Flyers got lucky in what happened in their series, I said they got lucky in their matchups - as in not being put against teams who had systems that would have stomped theirs, until the Finals.

2. I've been through this before, but I'll say it again. It's a matter of how systems match up. A system like the Habs' is best when against a system like the Caps'. It is not good against a system like the Flyers'.

3. The Caps didn't adjust during the series when they needed to, some of their players didn't do the jobs they needed to, and in Game 7, there was a horrible call.

All clear to you now?

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:39 PM | Report abuse

hey timmyboy, I got a question for you... if the Caps don't matchup well against certain teams, whose fault is that??

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:43 PM | Report abuse

is it the fault of the NHL or the other teams for not giving the Caps favorable matchups??

LMAO

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:48 PM | Report abuse

hey timmyboy, I got a question for you... if the Caps don't matchup well against certain teams, whose fault is that??

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:43 PM

joke, every system has certain systems they don't do well against. The Caps' system dominated pretty much every other system, except the one teams like New Jersey and Montreal play - and it still was about 50% successful in that case. Which would you rather have, a system that works very well against every team but 2 or a system that works against fewer teams? The Caps' have one of the most dominant systems around, and that is thanks to Boudreau.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:50 PM | Report abuse

the Caps system are the same system the Phoenix Suns have been running for years in basketball... do you really want the Caps to be the Suns of the NHL??

I want a system that win the CUP.. NOT THE STUPID PREZ TROPHY that you want, timmyboy

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

is it the fault of the NHL or the other teams for not giving the Caps favorable matchups??

LMAO

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:48 PM

It was luck. As in if the Rangers had won the shootout, the Caps would have faced them instead. Even you should be intelligent enough to figure that one out.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

Hey joek - a lot of things happened.

First of all, match ups. The Flyers big physical D matched up better against the Habs small fowards then the Caps puck moving D. Further to the same point, the Flyers had two rounds of tape to analyze exactly what the Habs were doing well and where they could exploit weaknesses.

Second, the Habs played well over their heads for 14 straight games. That happens all the time in NHL playoffs. But rarely can those teams keep it going into and beyond the 3rd round.

Third, and this relates to the first two - Halak caught fire for three straight games. It's a cliche, but the hot goalie always wins, regardless of the rest of the team. The Caps fell into the classic trap of pressing, and getting frustrated, and then giving up a goal on counter attacks.

Fourth, our goaltending, although it wasn't bad, wasn't good enough. It's not fair, but when the opposing goalie is playing as well as Halak, your goalie has to match him. He has to make every save or its curtains.

Finally, the Flyers had the benefit of a 5 game series against the Devils in Round 1. The Habs went through what were probably the two best teams in the conference and it took them 7 games each....and they lost their best defenseman during the Penguin series.

The Caps were a predictable victim of playoff hockey. I'm sure BB knew what was happening and tried to correct it...but that's just what happens sometimes. Ask the Red Wings about being a great team and getting knocked out early. I'm pretty sure they patented it.

What's interesting, is had the Caps gotten the Flyers in the first round, my money says they Caps wold have won easily - much as they did in the regular season.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

the Caps system are the same system the Phoenix Suns have been running for years in basketball... do you really want the Caps to be the Suns of the NHL??

I want a system that win the CUP.. NOT THE STUPID PREZ TROPHY that you want, timmyboy

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:53 PM

When did the Suns start playing hockey? Because that's the only way they'd have the same system. Unless this is some obscure jokeism.

And joke, stop being an idiot. As I've said before, I want the Cup - can you remember that?

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 9:56 PM | Report abuse

they have a great system, works to PERFECTION against 14 teams outta 30... the 14 that do NOT make the playoffs.

unfortunately the system STINKS against the 16 teams that make the playoffs.

if you're waiting for that system to work in the playoffs, you'd be waiting a very LONG time.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:57 PM | Report abuse

DISGUSTEDINARLINGTON - best post of the day. People keep missing the point. The money and the duration of Atrain's contract were right on and I would be mad too if that was all there was to it. It also includes a NTC which kills it for me. Pretty sure if any of us were GMGM and are still paying for Nylander's contract, we wouldn't be handing out any more NTC's anytime soon.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 1, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

DISGUSTEDINARLINGTON - best post of the day. People keep missing the point. The money and the duration of Atrain's contract were right on and I would be mad too if that was all there was to it. It also includes a NTC which kills it for me. Pretty sure if any of us were GMGM and are still paying for Nylander's contract, we wouldn't be handing out any more NTC's anytime soon.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 1, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Shaone Morrisonn, Brendan Morrison, Eric Belanger, Milan Jurcina, Joe Corvo, Scott Walker, Jose Theodore....all have not been signed yet are UFA's. I guess the other GM's around the league know why we didnt succeed last year and thats why they arent signing these guys. We had enough good talent to overshadow the mediocre talent for 82 games, but in a 7 game series it can be exposed.

For people to say we dont have a 2C, we really dont have a 3C either. Steckel and Gordon are 4th liners. So people are saying play MP at 2C...then who is the 3C?? Bottom line is there are more holes on the team than we think. We don't have a 6th or 7th D.

The playing young talent yeah I agree give them a chance but Id give them a chance a year from now. Next summer, Neuvy, Varly, Alzner are all RFA's. Laich, Semin, Knuble, Bradley are all UFA's. This might be the only year we have a good enough team to get to the Cup. At some point GMGM has to sell out to make that run and it should be this season.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:00 PM | Report abuse

LOL if they're gonna be haunted by the Nylander signing forever, then GMGM might do us all a favor and quit his job.

every GM makes mistakes, even the best of them.. but that doesn't mean they should be haunted by those bad decisions FOREVER.

the best ones MOVE on and prove themselves over and over again.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

they have a great system, works to PERFECTION against 14 teams outta 30... the 14 that do NOT make the playoffs.

unfortunately the system STINKS against the 16 teams that make the playoffs.

if you're waiting for that system to work in the playoffs, you'd be waiting a very LONG time.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 9:57 PM

joke, again, FACTS.

Teams that it worked against... and I'll even only go playoff teams from the East. By the way, "works" = better than 50% win percentage.

1) Penguins
2) Flyers
3) Boston
4) Buffalo

Hmmm.... 4 of the 7 other teams in the Eastern playoffs. Not quite what you ignorantly thought.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 10:03 PM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but have the Caps beaten those teams in the PLAYOFFS in recent years?????????????????

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:05 PM | Report abuse

Why are you even arguing with him?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 1, 2010 10:06 PM | Report abuse

Keep in mind, you're ARGUING with a GUY who TYPES like this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: richmondphil | July 1, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

if you think that the playoffs are the same as the regular season in the NHL, you must be from the Moon...

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

he is from the moon and theres nothig wrong with that. Thats where 70% of all DC sports fans are from. Most are blind homers who only see the positives and that is one way to view sports, theres nothing wrong with that. Theres also the realistic view point(10% of DC fans), which says the Caps arent better now than when the season ended and need to make improvements. And the pessimist(20% as well) which is saying fire BB and fire GMGM right now.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:12 PM | Report abuse

For people to say we dont have a 2C, we really dont have a 3C either. Steckel and Gordon are 4th liners. So people are saying play MP at 2C...then who is the 3C?? Bottom line is there are more holes on the team than we think. We don't have a 6th or 7th D.

The playing young talent yeah I agree give them a chance but Id give them a chance a year from now. Next summer, Neuvy, Varly, Alzner are all RFA's. Laich, Semin, Knuble, Bradley are all UFA's. This might be the only year we have a good enough team to get to the Cup. At some point GMGM has to sell out to make that run and it should be this season.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:00 PM

Whether or not we have a #3C depends on if Belanger re-signs - the Caps have been talking with him for a while now. And we have 6th and 7th D - Erskine and Sloan. An upgrade would be nice, but not totally necessary.

One thing with the Caps' UFA's - it's only been one day. Most of the UFA's are unsigned. Walker will probably go unsigned for quite a while, seeing how he's mainly a depth player (which is why he was traded for a 7th round pick); same with Juice (thus the conditional 6th rounder). BMo has never quite recovered from his torn ACL - that was why the Caps were able to get him so cheap, because he was a longshot. Corvo, ShaMo and Belanger will probably be gone within a few days - I would hope to see Belanger brought back to the Caps. With Theo - it's not a good year for FA goalies. The Caps' UFA's were among their worst players, except Theo, ShaMo, and Belanger. If some of the Caps' more talented players were out there, they'd have been snagged by now.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 10:13 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

he is from the moon and theres nothig wrong with that. Thats where 70% of all DC sports fans are from. Most are blind homers who only see the positives and that is one way to view sports, theres nothing wrong with that. Theres also the realistic view point(10% of DC fans), which says the Caps arent better now than when the season ended and need to make improvements. And the pessimist(20% as well) which is saying fire BB and fire GMGM right now.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:12 PM

The realistic view is the one held by most Caps fans - myself included. It's too bad there's so many pessimists on here.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 10:15 PM | Report abuse

For the record - I want the cup. Just saying.

The paradox that I see is the better the Caps play in the regular season, the lower the seed they'll face in the first round. In most cases, that means a vastly less talented team. So, it stands to reason that team is going to play the same Jaques Martin/Torts rope a dope that the Caps have seen the last two years. Clearly the team doesn't perform as well against teams that decide to just play complete shut down hockey then they do against more talented teams like Pittsburgh that feel they can play with the Caps.

So what it boils down to, the Caps have to find a way to grind out wins in the playoffs...winning in more than one way. Much like (and I hate to say it) the Penguins of the early 90s. That team was a run and gun goal scoring machine with no defense at all in the regular season. As soon as the playoffs came around they shut it down like a switch and won two straight cups on power plays and counter attacks.

Back to the topic at hand - it's still a crappy free agent class and personally, I don't think there were any players available that would have put the Caps over the top. And for the Volchenkov fans...that dude is a massive injury waiting to happen.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Patience is a virtue that is obviously lost on most people with a keyboard and a computer on this website. You B@tched and complained when the team sucked and didn't make the playoffs. You rejoiced when the team made playoffs out of nowhere (thanks to BB). You rejoiced even more when the team set records and won the Presidents Cup. And then like spurned lovers when the team got upset in the playoff, you turned on your team, your GM, and your coach. Shame on all of the naysayers. Grow the hell up. The Redwings are the classic example. Build from inside... Learn from your disappointments.. But don't freak out and screw everything up.

Posted by: jbears1 | July 1, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

@ timmy

resectfully I put you in between the blind homer and realist. There are times you make valid points and times where you seem to just argue in a homerish way to argue.

And Belanger wont be back unless he comes down from wanting a 3-4 year deal. Thats why GMGM told him to go look elsewhere. And Erskine and Sloan, if they are playing come playoff time we all know we are in deep trouble so please dont list them as 6 and 7 even though they are right now. The thought just scares me.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

geee, but how I wish the Caps had signed the one player who would absolutely guarantee a Stanley Cup.nsigh

Since they haven't, as I learn here, should I give up my season tickets and try to get interested in the Deadskins or Les Boulez?

Posted by: bluejeener1 | July 1, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

I'm all for signing the right FAs but what Leonsis said today regarding NBA free agency is just plain stupid.

he basically said that he does not believe in it. it's safe to assume that he has the same view regarding his hockey team.

talk about going to a gun fight with a sword...

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

in terms of the Wizards and Ted its different. its more like the Caps when they tore it down to get the draft picks. Next summer there will be a new CBA in the NBA so he is trying to obtain young talent and not committ long term to players not knowing what the CBA will be. He knows that FA is key in the NBA, you just wont see them active until next summer basically. And Gil will be gone by then as well.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:27 PM | Report abuse

@ timmy

resectfully I put you in between the blind homer and realist. There are times you make valid points and times where you seem to just argue in a homerish way to argue.

And Belanger wont be back unless he comes down from wanting a 3-4 year deal. Thats why GMGM told him to go look elsewhere. And Erskine and Sloan, if they are playing come playoff time we all know we are in deep trouble so please dont list them as 6 and 7 even though they are right now. The thought just scares me.

Posted by: ThePat | July 1, 2010 10:19 PM |

You severely misjudge me then. Fine with me.

Thank you for the specifics on Belanger - I had not heard that. All I had heard was that talks were ongoing.

Sloan should not be playing unless someone is injured (and maybe not even then), and I would rather see Erskine as #7 rather than #6. To his credit, he has stepped it up in the playoffs before. I would much prefer to get another dman and push Erskine down a slot, but it's not as if the Caps have no chance if their defensive lineup stays the same - which is what quite a few of the pessimists have specifically said.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

in a sport like basketball where one player can make a huge difference, I can think of only ONE team that truly built from within to win championships... the SA Spurs

but they had two overall number one picks, David Robinson and Tim Duncan... if you had two all-time greats like those players then you could do without free agency

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:30 PM | Report abuse

@joek -
Sure those teams sign free agents. Although you really can't compare football, baseball, and basketball to hockey because the finances and collective bargaining agreements are all completely different.

I don't understand why you're so passionate about signing free agents - today. The guys available today weren't that good. If you really think Hamhuis, Volchekov, Lombardi were going to be the missing pieces that win us the cup -- fair enough. I disagree. I'd love to dump Erskine or Poti and replace them with Hamhuis and Volchenkov. But there' s a salary cap and when you sign these types of free agents and they don't pan out you've handcuffed your team for years. Years. If there's a slam dunk - go for it. But our long term contracts are set for the guys we have now - Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, whichever of the two goalies wins out next year. There's a reason the Caps blew everything up 7 years ago. It was so they could develop a farm system and get out of the free agent gamble. The best guys in FA today were just too damn expensive and wanted terms that were just too long. Instead of gambling now and handcuffing the team in the future, why not wait until the season starts and pick up guys that other teams want to dump when they fall out of contention in exchange for picks. Those guys generally have manageable contracts in both price and term at that point. McPhee did the right thing last year, he just got some crummy players. Don't forget, the Caps signed guys on July 1st last year. It isn't that they won't sign free agents. They just won't give unreasonable contracts that hinder the game plan of developing young players and rewarding them in house.

The Caps will sign somebody eventually. But it's not likely to be a guy in his prime with a big upside. Those guys are already on the team and we're paying them. The salary cap prevents teams from loading up on FAs. Of course, before the cap the Rangers tried to do that for years and it never did them any good.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 10:37 PM | Report abuse

One other thing - there could always be a big trade coming. I'm not saying it would be for the better or worse but there's nothing stopping McPhee from improving the team by trading some big assets.

Posted by: DisgustedinArlington | July 1, 2010 10:45 PM | Report abuse

@DisgustedinArlington

both football and hockey have a hard salary cap so it's fair to compare those two sports.

teams like the Pats and the Colts mostly built from within because they always draft well, NOT just in the first round. it's often said in football that championship teams are built on the second day of the draft.

as mentioned by several people on here before, the Caps don't draft well after the first and second rounds. I think their roster has more first round picks than any other team in the NHL.

FA is there to be used wisely, NOT to be totally ignored. if you are overly worried about over-paying any FA, that's like totally giving it up because EVERYBODY overpays for FAs.

Nobody is saying they should sign several players for 5 or 6 years at $5 mil/year. but they could have signed one guy at that money who could be their number one shutdown guy on defense. that to me would be using free agency wisely.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:50 PM | Report abuse

as long as you feel that the player will produce and that he's the missing piece, over-paying shouldn't prevent you from signing him if you have the cap space.

the problem I see is that GMGM doesn't trust himself to make the right call so he decides not to do anything.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest. The Caps do not have a #2 or 3 center in the system. MaJo amd MP are out on a limb wishes to consider them for either of those roles. We need a Koivu (he got almost exact contract we speculated - actually a little cheaper) on the #2 line and a Belanger on the #3 checking line.

On defense, we aren't missing a #6, we are missing 1B. We have Green for 1A and we have a few guys who are serviceable as a second pair (Schultz and Poti) and Alzner and Carlson you have to say are 5 and 6 for now. Ersk and Sloan are 7A and 7B, there for injuries.

Volchenkov would have been excellent at the price to fill our open slot. 6 yrs of NTC is a tough one though, but you need four top D going forward forever and he would have been one of them.

I will be extremely disappointed if we bring back both Semin and Flash and therefore again have too many snipers and not enough tanks. It takes more than infantry to win a war. OK, we got one howitzer (OV), and a few tough guns (Knuble, Backie, maybe Laich) but you get the picture. Really, too, we have no shutdown #3 RW to help anchor the "we gotta stop Crosby" line.

I see merits in most posts here. I do wish you'd all stop arguing so much. For the most part, the previous 100 or 200 posts were the same arguments over and over. At a certain point, as someone said yesterday, you gotta take the scratched record off the player.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 1, 2010 10:58 PM | Report abuse

joek, GMGM doesn't know how much cap space he has left - and won't until he hears back from the RFA's. He could have signed a player, but it could have put the Caps over - unless it was $3-4M or less. He could have avoided that situation by not giving an offer sheet to Flash, which is the one major mistake he has made in this offseason.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 11:01 PM | Report abuse

how does a NHL contract work? if a player signs for 5 years/$25 mil then does it automatically count for $5mil/year for 5 years in the salary cap or is there a way to get around it?

such as $3 mil in the first year, $4 mil the second year, $6 mil the third year, etc...

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 11:08 PM | Report abuse

timmy, GM can walk away from any arbitration award to Flash per the CBA, how does not qualifying him avoid uncertainty about the cap?

not that i'm with joek, who is apparently not even familiar with the league (hint: yes, that's a 5 mil/year hit) and seems to think that Ted and GM don't actually want to win, which is stupid.

But, qualifying Flash is a no-brainer, not a major mistake, whether you intend to sign him or not.

Posted by: buford_hectorman | July 1, 2010 11:17 PM | Report abuse

joek: The cap hit is the simple average of the years.

Also, the Caps might be on a short leash with reference to the "temporary ten percent over." Know why? Because, right now, Nylander counts at 4.875. Bet you forgot about that one.

BUT, the Caps forwards are like a football team with 3 linemen, 5 wideouts, 2 running back and a QB. You can't just take Lavereous Coles or whomever and just say, "We'll make him a tackle." Well, making Flash a #2C is essentially doing the same thing.

So many Caps are out of position. Semin should be a #1W but is #2. Flash with 23 goals easily could be a #1LW on many teams, especially if you had a gritty C and RW on that team; but, instead, he's plugged in to whatever spot is open. Fehr would be a great #2RW for most teams but instead we have him at #3 - and, it's plain to see, he's not a checker. So, out of position. Belanger was #2C and he's not that - he's actually quite good at #3.

Well, now it's me being repetitious. I agree with about 75% of what the naysayers say and about 75% of what their detractors say (there's actually a lot of common ground).

I disagree with two arguments posted here - 1) McPhee is a blind, worthless idiot. No, he's middle of the pack as far as GMs go and 2) The caps should just play with what they have - absolutely not. It's ridiculous to have so many players out of position. Would you field a baseball team with 7 infielders and one outfielder? A BB team with 4 forwards and a center?

This is kinda what the Caps are doing, if you think about it, buit it's just hidden in hockey because people think a #3 RW is simply a #2 RW who hasn't yet matured. That, I feel, is no more true than to assume a 2B automatically matures to be a SS.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 1, 2010 11:19 PM | Report abuse

cap on a contract:
10m x 5yr = 2.5m cap hit per year
1m, 2m, 3m, 4m = 10
2m, 4m, 1m, 3m = 10
no matter how you structure the year by year value of the contract - it is always $/yrs=cap hit.
the entire contract is guaranteed (unlike the nfl which is not all guaranteed money) and must be payed as is, unless there is a buyout. some players get two way contracts that pay one amount in the nhl and another amount in the ahl.
longer term contracts under this cba are always risky. nmc and ntc make contracts even riskier.
if ovi and backstrom can average 70gms per year over the life of their contracts - those deals will end up being great for the team.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 1, 2010 11:27 PM | Report abuse

I never said GMGM or Leonsis don't want to win the Cup... what I said was they don't want to win it as badly as some of you think they do or as badly as some of their competitors.

and they have done nothing today to disprove my view on that.

the truth hurts, doesn't it?

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 11:30 PM | Report abuse

timmy, GM can walk away from any arbitration award to Flash per the CBA, how does not qualifying him avoid uncertainty about the cap?

not that i'm with joek, who is apparently not even familiar with the league (hint: yes, that's a 5 mil/year hit) and seems to think that Ted and GM don't actually want to win, which is stupid.

But, qualifying Flash is a no-brainer, not a major mistake, whether you intend to sign him or not.

Posted by: buford_hectorman | July 1, 2010 11:17 PM

GMGM doesn't know how much cap space will be left because he has multiple RFA's eligible for arbitration. And unless he knows what they will sign for, he can't know how much cap space is left. Fehr, Flash, Schultz, and Gordon all are eligible for arbitration, along with 4 of the Bears - but only the 4 Caps matter much.

I guess qualifying Flash isn't the issue - it's discussing re-signing him. He is a part the Caps don't need, and is only depriving better players of playing time.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 1, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

like I said earlier today whenever you hear them talk about winning the Cup, there's always a BUT..

yeah we wanna win the Cup but we won't do this or that, we won't make this or that kinda moves...

I think it's fair to ask after you hear that kinda talk... well how bad do you wanna win it then??

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 11:39 PM | Report abuse

joek: Since when did God say that you have been annointed arbiter of the Truth?

You have an opinion, just like everyone else.

And there's a chance, always a chance, that you could be wrong.

I would like to raise the LOmbardi thing again. Someone yesterday said Lombardi could fill any of the 4 center roles. Well, he really isn't a #1. And he's overqualified as a #4. He'd be above average I think at #2 and superb at #3. That's why signing him would be good - because, as MaJo matures, and we assume he becomes either a 2 or a 3, Lombardi with that flexibility, unlike a Flash, can fill the role that MaJo doesn't.

I do admit that, as good as Volch would have been, he doesn't have that flexibility. Still, no denying that every great team must have two shutdown defensemen - a great one and a very good one. We have...maybe Carlson? Isn't this like buying a car without tires and saying you can drive on the wheels?

Well, you can...

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 1, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

@ tominsocal

well do you think they wanna win it as badly as the pens, the flyers, the devils or the hawks?

I sure don't and you don't either.

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

@sporttraveler

Thanks for posting the info on the Red Wings development! Great teams aren't made overnight or in a single day of free agency. Look at what the caps have done since just 3-4 years ago, that is a heck of a turn around, and the team is only on the rise (not to mention, I don't think Tarik's blog had has many comments in the entire 2006 season as it did today!). Of course you are going to have some bad playoff experiences on a team composed almost entirely of young players and other team's spare parts. But keeping long-term cap space will allow us to keep those young players as they mature (already have Ovie, Backstrom, Green locked down. Not far down the line we will have to resign Schultz, Carlson, and whichever goalie pans out as UFAs).

The caps aren't '1 or 2 players away from a cup.' If you believe we are one or two players away and can sign some free agents to 'put us over the top', go have lunch with Dan Snyder. You'll get along with him just great!

I'm ecstatic to see the caps in the position they are in right now. Sure it is not a perfect team, what team is? The defending champs DISMANTLED themselves this summer, and are still dealing with Huet's massive free agent contract. The point is, we are in a position where we do not need to scramble to fix our team. We have a tremendous pipeline of talented youth, and lots of space to navigate. Once the day one dust clears, we will see if anyone remaining wants to be signed to a reasonable contract that doesn't mortgage our future. If not, we have plenty enough talent to win our division, and even conference. Keeping cap space in hand, we will be in a fantastic position for a rental player come the trade deadline (especially considering the cap space teams ate up today with UFA signings). We also have lots of young talent to trade away at the deadline should we go that route.

Keep it up GMGM and Ted! And to the talking heads like cstanton and underpants2: take a valium or go play NHL on the XBOX so you can 'shake up' the roster and prove how good at GM'ing you are

Posted by: bgsxygoalie | July 2, 2010 12:00 AM | Report abuse

@ tominsocal

well do you think they wanna win it as badly as the pens, the flyers, the devils or the hawks?

Posted by: joek443 | July 1, 2010 11:55 PM

Yes.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 2, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

timmy, I agree, but it's probably the case that GM isn't taking Flash or others as hard numbers since there's no commitment yet. He probably has an approximate total RFA number he's working with, and will sign UFAs accordingly. He can walk if he gets painted into a corner.

joek, "wanting it more" might be a factor for the players at times, but for a GM/owner? They currently spend to the cap on pieces they think fit. To the extent that they fail, it's well-intentioned mistakes rather than a lack of desire to win.

Posted by: buford_hectorman | July 2, 2010 12:09 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I pretty much agree with your entire statement. Although I do have higher expectations of MP and MJ than you (they're prospects so who was more correct will be determined down the road).

For centers there is still Lombardi and John Madden available. If the Caps sign one that will answer the need either for a 2nd line center or a 3rd line center.

Like you said, the Caps do not need a #6 D-man, they need a D-man who they can put out against other teams top lines to shut them down.

Willie Mitchell, while not a true #1 defenseman, is a very good defensive defenseman who can play in a shut down role (i.e. Hal Gill). I think he could help fill that role the Caps need (although I would've preferred AV).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 2, 2010 12:11 AM | Report abuse

What is it that McPhee DOES, exactly, besides sitting around looking serious?

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 2, 2010 12:13 AM | Report abuse

GMGM & Ted have both said publicly that they don't like signing FA's because not only do you over pay for them, but many times they don't even perform close to the way they did in their contract year so you're waaaay over paying. Once again I wouldn't have signed Atrain to that contract. Take out the NTC & I'm all for it.

Lets not forget too (for those of you that watched the draft), GMGM said that Kuznetsov could play on the team this yr if it weren't for his contract in the KHL.

With that being said GMGM said he wants a vet with a short term contract. I still think he'll target Modano for 1 yr and let MJ & MP develope here. I also bet that EK only plays in the KHL for 1 more yr. Our centers for 11-12 very well could be Backs, MJ, MP and EK. Now we're strong up the middle so I don't see the need to go sign a mulit million dollar deal for multiple yrs on a center. 1 yr deal at most.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 2, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

All of you AV guys do understand the salary cap right? Understand that AV was never an option. The only guys who moved today that were options as far as the cap is concerned were Koivu, Cullen, and Tallinder. They're gone, so be it. Doesn't mean our guys didn't try.

Most of you are bashing timmyv38 and he makes the most sense from what i'm reading. You people cannot approach this like fantasy freaking sports. We draft guys for a reason; we have hope that they will come up and be stars. I have posted in the past few weeks that there were FA options and trades that would be nice to consider. However, I posted earlier today that I wouldn't mind seeing us enter the season with Carlson, Alzner, and Perrault filling the #2C and top blue-line D positions. And timmyv38 reminded me that MaJo might be ready.

These guys are all projected to fill those positions. I want a cup next year too, but if the current market does not present a quick fix that fits the cap and the deals were looking for then let's just go into next season with our young guys. Does that mean we gamble everything on them coming out and succeeding? NO. Just b/c we don't make a trade this offeason doesn't mean we cannot do it during the year (and for every "Corvo" and "Walker" you people bring up, remember that we also got Belanger and Chimera). Maybe Varly and Neuvirth both play great, and Neuvirth becomes so highly coveted we get an offer for a vet goalie and expiring top 4 D or #2 C.

I do think trading Flash is in order b/c he is not a true C and we need room for a true C, whether that is MP, MaJo or someone else. One remaining option, I think, might be Mike Modano. If we can convince him to play for a cup, he could start part-time at #2 and mentor both MP and MaJo. That would give our young guys and opportunity to play and grow, while giving us a proven Center to mesh with the team and be ready to contribute big minutes come playoff time. Other than that and maybe a Flash + picks/prospects for Kaberle, I am fine with standing pat at the moment.

But we do need to resign UFA Belanger. GMGM should be taking to that party.

Posted by: mcgratsp | July 2, 2010 12:15 AM | Report abuse

@joek443

I have to completely disagree with you on the trying factor. Like most businesses, follow the money.

The Caps spent about the entire salary cap last year and then in addition to that they paid Nylander his salary. They didn't have to do that. They could've just forced BB to play Nylander and keep him on the roster like the Rangers do with Redden. But Leonisis ate the salary to give the Caps a better chance of winning.

The Caps will again be at or very near the salary cap this year. That means they will be spending about the same amount of money as all the teams you mentioned. I do not see how one team spending the same amount of money is not trying as hard. If they weren't going to try then why not just spend near the salary floor.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 2, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Well I can see that heads are spinning around here.

I am glad we didn't throw money at guys that might or might not work. I understand that we all want to see roster action, and also that some of our rival teams are now stronger. However, we should all remember that

1) the Caps will have four definite quite strong additions to the lineup: Carlnerson and Varlvirt. It's time for them to get a full season of experience. Many of the teams in question do not have players of that caliber ready to bring up.

2) the Caps have many forwards from Hershey that should spend some extended time here. They need a serious look.

3) now that the feeding frenzy has slowed, trades should start happening--many of the teams with the biggest signings are going to have to shed some salary. The players I was most interested in all went for some hefty money and extended contracts. No more Nylandering of the team--I'm glad that we didn't get crazy.

Remember the Cup is not won on July 1st.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | July 2, 2010 12:34 AM | Report abuse

timmyv38 is really George McPhee posting here when he should be getting some experienced veterans to lead this team. Let's go choking dogs!

Posted by: festus75 | July 2, 2010 12:57 AM | Report abuse

mcgratsp: You are new here. Had you been around, you would have seen a million posts over the last month on how to fit Volch in at $5M, much less $4.25M.

1) Trade Flash and Erskine for cap savings approx $4M. (You yourself advocated trading Flash.)

2) sign Volch and then promote a Hershey Bear to play #3RW like AGordon. Cap cost $5M.

3) promote Fehr, who's earned it, to #2 line to replace Flash.

4) Put Laich on #3 line.

Voila, for a mere $1 marginal cap cost you have signed Volch and put more pieces in the right places.

5) Drop BGordon and put Belanger at #3C for marginal hit $800K.

6) Sign a guy like Koivu and drop MP. Marginal cap hit $1.7M. Move MP to #13 F in place of Laing - $200K hit.

Now, they have 4.5 in space they say, and you just fixed every bit of it for 3.7M. And, I've been making these numbers up all along, and today the numbers became real, and they still work.

I have to think the Volchenkov NTC scared them off, I don't know. Or maybe McPhee has something left to do. He's not going to play the season $4M under the cap.

I would like Lombardi, or trade for say Umberger, unless Kutz and MaJo are really so good (do any of us know?) that by next year at latest they ARE #2 & 3 centers.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 2, 2010 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Did we pick up 2 players I'm not aware of?

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Posted by: rexchen5376 | July 2, 2010 1:55 AM | Report abuse

I think if they can get Lombardi on a 3 year or less contract they should go for it. The guy's got a ton of speed and should fit into the system really well as a 2nd line centre. And if Belanger's up for it they should lock him up as a 3rd line centre and penalty killer for a couple of seasons. He was unbelievable on faceoffs last year and I thought played really well on the 3rd line. Not quite there to be a 2nd line centre but I don't think you'll find many better 3rd line centres in the league. If the Caps actually play some shutdown defence in the playoffs next season his ability to win faceoffs could be a huge asset.

Posted by: Stu_c | July 2, 2010 2:05 AM | Report abuse

I'd rather save the cap space for flexibility at the trading deadline. Going up to the cap ceiling at the beginning of the season leaves no flex whatsoever for moves in season. Those that want to trade Semin, fine. I get your point on it. But without him there's not a single realistic scoring threat outside the first line. Semin is also the second best takeaway forward on the team besides Backstrom. He's dumb in the O-zone, I get it, but he's underrated in the neutral zone in creating turnovers. The roster as is might not win the Prez, but maybe some cap flex is what the Capitals need to make moves that matter during the season. Give Perreault or Johansson a chance, and if they don't work out, it's not gonna cost a playoff spot with the roster as is.

If we want to clear cap space, I would be more inclined to move Poti's mediocre play at 3.5M and let Fleischmann's QFO of 1.45M go to acquire something better with cap space in season than to move a gamebreaking Semin at 6.

Semin's playoffs were a quizzical one. He was getting shots to the net, and some with very good chances that were either missed or stopped by Halak. Also, some were poor shot selection. However, if Laich (another invisibility in the POs) did his job better on that line in getting in front of the net, maybe some of those shots are screened or deflected. Not to mention if Flash did absolutely anything to resemble hockey with heart.

I may be in the minority, but I think that the failure of that line had to do with Tomas Fleischmann and Brooks Laich, rather than Alex Semin.

Posted by: SAFwtw9 | July 2, 2010 2:12 AM | Report abuse

Is it hard to post with your head up McPhee's a$$?
Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:03 PM |

About as much as u sucking on your mommy's t1ts.

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 2, 2010 2:15 AM | Report abuse

Does this make any sense? They had this town in the palm of their hands, and they pissed it away.
Posted by: underpants2 | July 1, 2010 7:36 PM |

How so? 3 years removed from no playoffs & you want the Cup?
Move to Chicago u tw@t.

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 2, 2010 2:18 AM | Report abuse

What is it that McPhee DOES, exactly, besides sitting around looking serious?
Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 2, 2010 12:13 AM |

Same as you panhandling John's on K & 14th.
Or maybe out by 28th & 50 at Dulles.

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 2, 2010 2:20 AM | Report abuse

I never said GMGM or Leonsis don't want to win the Cup... what I said was they don't want to win it as badly as some of you think they do or as badly as some of their competitors.
and they have done nothing today to disprove my view on that.
the truth hurts, doesn't it?

About as much as you are ugly, bald, fat, white, & can't skate.

Posted by: Rocc00 | July 2, 2010 2:23 AM | Report abuse

"There are still players like Andy Sutton and Pavel Kubina are both still out there on the D and John Madden and Mike Modano are still available and could give the Caps a much needed veteran"

I know that it's easy to find fault w/any of these players, but I think adding a couple of "older" pieces may not be a bad idea for the Caps at this time.

We all know that the team needs someone to set an example by sacrificing his body in front of the net as a defensemen.

And no matter how people try to twist it, Marcus Johannson is not ready to be a #2 Center right now. Honestly, he seems more like a third line center and PK type of guy. At least, we should all be able to agree that he is not a guy who will make Semin better.

I really wanted to hear that GMGM was actively pursuing Koivu and selling the idea that he could wrap his career up w/a Cup here in DC. Especially, because I still think his boy Teemu is gonna retire. Maybe once the season gets underway and Teemu hangs them up the Caps will find a way to trade for Saku.

I think Kubina and Madden will probably turn out to be too expensive for the Caps, but vets like Sutton and Modano may not be bad additions when the dust settles.

Posted by: SportzWiz | July 2, 2010 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Saw on eliteprospects that goalie Jason Bacashihua of Hershey Bears went to Colorado Avalanche and Capitals signed Dany Sabourin(G)from Boston Bruins for 1 year/$600,000.. Should be a minor signing right?

Posted by: gavlegirl | July 2, 2010 5:46 AM | Report abuse

Saw on eliteprospects that goalie Jason Bacashihua of Hershey Bears went to Colorado Avalanche and Capitals signed Dany Sabourin(G)from Boston Bruins for 1 year/$600,000.. Should be a minor signing right?

Posted by: gavlegirl | July 2, 2010 5:47 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: lornemyoung | July 2, 2010 6:06 AM | Report abuse

Just to clarify, Tarik wrote $4.5 in cap space, but he meant $14.5, correct?
They have a TON of space, and should go after Sutton.

Posted by: pivo20 | July 2, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

Why in the world would GMGM spend money now? We won the regular season last year with substantially the same team we have now - less a few minor pieces. I say we shoot for 8th in the East this year and pick up guys at the deadline. The regular season means next to nothing!

Posted by: kkd76 | July 2, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I have been reading the angry comments regarding no first day splash, and I had to remind myself that this was the CAPS insider and not the REDSKINS insider. Has Danny Snyder wrecked the minds in this town?

So people are freaking out over a 2C and a non-offensive D? Seriously, give it some time. The complainers are not to be taken seriously. You guys are the ones that wait in three hour lines for the new IPAD. You pay the highest price it will ever be.

Be patient. The biggest move the Caps needed to make they did. That was re-upping Nicky. Carlson and Alzner moving up will be fine, although Alzner does not give me the confidence Carlson does. Perrirault (I know, spelled it wrong)is ready, and A. Gordon may be too.

This team has very few holes. The biggest holes are in between the ears with this team. Feeble minds like Semin and Flash need to go. But those could be bigtime trade deadline deals. Personally, since this team will be Cup contenders for a long time, I would wait and trade those guys at the deadline and get prospects and picks for them. Might not mean a deep run this year, or maybe it does, given that its not like those two show up for the postseason anyways. But you end up continuing the practice of using your FARM SYSTEM instead of FREE AGENTS to build your team.

Posted by: jackstraaw | July 2, 2010 7:58 AM | Report abuse

Just to clarify, Tarik wrote $4.5 in cap space, but he meant $14.5, correct?
They have a TON of space, and should go after Sutton.

Posted by: pivo20 | July 2, 2010 8:11 AM | Report abuse

@ pivo20....4.5mil after all the offers they made to the restricted free agents... You also have to take into account arbitration...


Sometimes the best move is not making a move at all.. We have all the pieces still in place from last year..Remember it wasn’t our Defense who faltered in the playoffs it was the offense.. I still think the Caps will make a small move, maybe Sutton or Mitchell, but I see no reason the break the bank and get into long term deals. If the Caps don’t make any moves this offseason I am okay with that.. March 2011 is when I would expect the Caps to make the moves needed to push us over the top…

Posted by: CapsBaby | July 2, 2010 8:17 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Interesting proposal there but I have a real problem with #1. Just who would take Fleischmann and Erskine from us in a trade? Furthermore, what would we to take back in return for said trade?

Now, I don't hold either player in high regard and would be much happier if both players were gone, but you have to face the fact that in order to make a trade, you have to give somebody something they would want. I don't think there are many teams out there calling GMGM inquiring about the availablity of Flash or Erskine.

Posted by: CapsNut | July 2, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Funny how many people are defending GMGM. Do his defenders really believe he is a better GM than Ray Shero or Lou Lamoriello? Two GMs with Cups who made major signings yesterday.

It's one thing to listen to your scouting department when drafting. It's another thing to go out and get pieces that make your team significantly better. Outside of Mike Knuble, GMGM has not made a trade or FA signing that has made a major impact on this team (heck, most of his deadline acquisitions don't even come back the following year). Finding missing pieces and upgrading your team through trade and free agency is what he is supposed to do. That's his job, he's a GM, not a scout. Shero and Lamoriello understand this.

The fact is, the Devils and Penguins got better and more experienced yesterday. Next season, the Caps will have less proven NHL talent and less NHL experience. That's not a step forward.

Write this in stone:
THE CAPS WILL NOT WIN THE CUP NEXT YEAR.

Posted by: mdmtnbiker | July 2, 2010 9:08 AM | Report abuse

@CapsNut

I disagree on Flash. He is a young, skilled goal scorer who could well get over 30 goals if he was with a team that gave him more playing time and more PP time.

I think many teams would like to have him that need goal offense and skill(Rangers as an example).

What they would be willing to give up depends on the opposing team making the trade. It could be picks/prospects or it could be a defensive player(either D man or checking forward) that comes from a team that has too many of those but not enough skilled players.

Erskine, not so much. I guess it could be possible a team would want him for a 7th round draft pick but I doubt it considering his salary($1.25)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 2, 2010 9:12 AM | Report abuse

CapsNut: Flash should be able to net you a quality third line checker that we really need. The guy who could play alongside Belanger. Or you take a #2 pick.

Erskine is not required if you sign a top pair D. You would hope to get anything in return to move the salary.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 2, 2010 9:28 AM | Report abuse

There is a reason the Caps have only been past the 1st round twice in the past 12 years... GMGM. That's not likely to change next season.

Posted by: mdmtnbiker | July 2, 2010 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Great job, timmyv and others. The stupidity around here is making it hard to continue reading the comments section. People, you need to realize that we already have a great team. It could be better, but it's still pretty damn good. Just because no deals were made doesn't mean some weren't tried. I don't want A-train for 6 years. In 3, we'd be trying to dump his contract like we did with Nylander, especially since Vol also got a NTC.

I would have liked to get Koivu, but chances are, like others have said, he wanted to stay in Anaheim, and it would have taken a lot to pry him away.

Just calm down, everyone. We still have several months until the trade deadline. And yes, cstanton, the chickenlittle comment was spot on. That's the way you and underpants and others are acting. Like I said yesterday, I only wish you guys would overreact even more than you are now by jumping off a bridge. That way we wouldn't have to hear your utter nonsense.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | July 2, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Whiskey Tango Foxtrot are you talking about????

Flash was 11th in total TOI last season on the team and 7th amongst the forwards. He was regularly on the first PP unit which Boudreau leaves out for typically 1:45 of a 2 minute Power Play. That's why he was 5th among forward in PP TOI, more TOI than Mike Knuble. And don't forget, A.O. plays the point on the PP and usually for the full two minutes. So Flash is really the fourth leading forward in terms of PP TOI, because he actually played a forward position.

Flash is what he is and he stinks. Eric Fehr got significantly less TOI than Flash and came up with better production in terms of Points/TOI. Flash is only still in the conversation on this team because Boudreau is a big believer in him, but the numbers just don't bear it out. Especially in crunch times, Flash is A#1 on the "disappears in the playoffs" list.

If somebody really wants to give up a top defensive prospect for him, at age 26 he doesn't have much further to go in terms of development, then we should take it and run. But a highly valued player he is not.

@tominsocal1

I agree we need a real third line on the team, but even if we deal Flash for one or more of those players, there will be salary coming back the other way. Which is my point. It is tough to dump any player for absolutely nothing. The only way we can do that is to let them go via Free Agency. While I would love to see Flash go, we shouldn't give him away for nothing.

Posted by: CapsNut | July 2, 2010 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Here's a thought:

A) VAN has quality defencemen up the wazoo.
B) VAN needs help up front, however.
C) Mitchell and Bieksa have skated together well as VAN's shutdown pairing.

Hence:

1) Flieschmann + Boyd Gordon to VAN for Bieksa.
2) Sign Mitchell for 2 years @ $3.0M
3) Sign Lombardi for 3 years @ $3.5M or 2 years @ $4.0M

OR

1) plus
3b) Semin + draft pick to CGY for Regehr and Iginla.

Eithr of these scenarios gives us both a quality 2nd-line center and help on defence (granted, not marquee-level help, but help nonetheless).

BTW, if y'all think GMGM is an idiot...just check out some of the Ø genius moves Ø CGY's GM Darryl Sutter has made:

Phaneuf: Gone
Lombardi: Gone
Nystrom: Gone
Giordano: Gone
Prust: Gone
Iginla: wants to be Gone.
Bouwmeester: Overpaid and Underperforming
Toskala: As if!

...and they missed the playoffs!!!

2010 FA signings: Jokinnen and Tanguay (sp?)...again. WTF was he thinking?

ROTGDFLMMFAO

IMHO, this guy is ripe for the fleecing!

Thoughts, anyone?

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 2, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

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