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Caps re-sign Tomas Fleischmann

The Caps re-signed Tomas Fleischmann to a one-year, $2.6 million contract tonight. The sides had been prepared to go to salary arbitration tomorrow in Toronto.

Fleischmann, a 26-year-old center/left wing, set career highs in goals (23) and points (51) last season, despite missing the first 11 games of the season with a blood clot in his leg that hampered his offseason training. He also struggled down the stretch and recorded one point in the Caps' first round loss to the Habs before being scratched for Game 7.

Last month, Fleischmann's agent, Rich Evans, speculated about Fleischmann's value and potential role on the team next year.

Fleischmann will be an unrestricted free agent next summer. He's also the last of the Caps' unsigned RFAs.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 27, 2010; 8:57 PM ET
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One year sounds about right, as long as this contract--unlike the last one--includes the postseason.

Welcome back, Tomas. Time to turn it up.

Posted by: MyJobsMyCredit | July 27, 2010 9:04 PM | Report abuse

nostrotomasincal1:
i can't remember your 1, 2, or 3 yr signing values for flash - how'd you do?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2010 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Suprised, he must not have wanted to cry tomorrow. Add in MP and Andrew Gordon and the Caps have $4.739 in Cap space. If its MaJo instead of MP its around $4.6. Both wont be on the team now. Now GMGM knows exactly what he has to work with, do something productive please.

Posted by: ThePat | July 27, 2010 9:10 PM | Report abuse

Glad it's done. Flash needs to "show up" in the post season. He can feel free to invite his buddy Green in the postseason as well.

Posted by: cbs75 | July 27, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

gmgm spends money to keep the caps soft....another short run in the spring...then doesnt even offer 53 the league minimum,....wtf is he trying to do or better yet not do

Posted by: wendel2 | July 27, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

I know tat Flash was an RFA and not a UFA, but consider that Ponikarovsky just received a 1 year $3.2M contract from the Kings and Ponikarovsky was scratched for multiple games during the playoffs on a team that was extremely weak on the wings.

Frolov also is making $3M this year.

But as someone mentioned, GMGM knows exactly where the Caps stand cap wise and what he can do. Also, the one year deal for Flash, compared to the 2 year deal for Fehr indicates that Flash is likely be gone next year. Even if he does awesome, it would be very difficult to fit him under the cap.

I still think there is a possibility he is traded during the season to a team in need of skill. This could happen before the season starts, or the Caps could wait until some injuries occur.

It will be interesting to see what happens.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 27, 2010 9:54 PM | Report abuse

That's a pretty reasonable signing. He had some really good runs last season but sometimes looked like he couldn't get anything going. If one of their young guys can step up as a 2nd line centre I wouldn't be surprised if they traded him before the deadline. This is a reasonable price for him but with how many forwards the Caps have Flash normally just ends up as a 3rd line winger. And not many teams pay a 3rd line winger this much. Not an easy situation when you don't know how he's going to perform next season.

Posted by: Stu_c | July 27, 2010 10:46 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: I am convinced he would have gotten more in arbitration. 2.75-3.0 is what I've been putting. Maybe he was afraid he'd get too much and the club would walk, I don't know. He's worth more than the guy in Atl who got 2.4.

Anyway, it's a reasonable figure. Caps at this point have a 22-man roster with 4.1 in space (counting Alzner's bonus against the cap, a wise thing to do). I wonder if they gave Flash a "no trade gentleman's agreement" to get this done. Otherwise, at 2.6, I would trade him instantly for help on the blueline, move Erskine for a 7th round pick, promote Fehr to line #2, sign a quality #2 center, and put a Hershey promotion on the third line with Laich and maybe another acquired center.

Can Laich play center? On the 3rd line? Can he do that? Would Chimera-Laich-AGordon make a good checking line?

We are still overbalanced with sniping wingers and poke-checking D and underbalanced with quality centers and hard-hitting D (who can also skate). We are like a baseball team with corner INF and OF but weak up the middle.

You can't make a 3B become a SS. You can't make a LF be a CF. You can't make a 1B become a catcher. And you can't make a winger be a center. Sometimes an exchange of assets is the way to go.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 27, 2010 11:09 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to pat myself on the back. Flash went from 750 to 2.6. Last night I put over/under at 2.8. I had his salary increasing four-fold and instead went up magnitude of 3 2/3rds.

Divide 3.6/4.0 and I got the increase 90% correct. It's much easier projecting BGordo where he went up only 10%. Someone increasing by magnitude of 4 and getting that close is decent.

I shall reward myself with a glass of wine.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 27, 2010 11:15 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Cal Ripken started at 3B and became a SS in his career. I'm not sure if we have any Cal Ripkens on this team. But I get your point.

Posted by: gebster | July 27, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

tominsocal1 record this year for Caps:

Projected Backstrom 11 yrs/$6.5M ea - got 10 yrs/$6.7M ea.

Projected Fehr one year $2.25M - got two years $2.2M ea.

Flash projected $2.8M - got $2.6M.

Hmmm. I underran Backie by $200K and overran Fehr and Flash by $250K. That means in total for the three of them I projected $11,550,000 and they got $11,500,000. $50K out of $11.5M is a variance of less than one-half of one percent. Tell me anyone else in DC has projections that close.

And to think how much closer I'd be if I didn't drink!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 27, 2010 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Oh, I didn't include Schultz. I never actually put him for four years. I had him 2 yrs/$2.25 each and did say he was essentially same as Fehr. And I did have Fehr 3 yrs/$2.5M ea, 4 yrs/$2.75M ea, 5 yrs/$3.0M ea and 6 yrs $3.2M ea and 10 yrs/$3.9M ea (Franzen money) if you will remember. I guess you can say I hit Schultz dead on but I'd just say I was in the ballpark pretty close.

If McPhee wants me it's $250K/year to start and I want a box for all games home and away and that would be catered with good food and wine.

It's a fact of life that skill doesn't come cheap.

:)

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 27, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and one more thing - what's this about "Maxie Pad" Talbot calling Ovechkin a d-bag? Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black? Let's face it, Talbot is the same type of player as Ovechkin but maybe with about 10-15% of the skill. Sure, I'd take Talbot - 3rd line, $1M per year. But, geez, when did the marginal players start harping on the superstars? Did you ever hear guys like Pat Peake criticizing Gretzky? It would be the same thing.

Someone should tell Maxie Pad to shut his trap until he can score more than two goals a season.

Max Talbot criticizing Ovechkin is like the ousted CEO of BP, Hayward, criticizing Warren Buffet. It's like Lindsay Lohan telling high school girls how to behave on dates. It's like Mel Gibson criticizing the teacher in a Diversity seminar.

Memo to Maxie Pad Talbot: 2 goals, Maxie Pad, 2 goals.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 27, 2010 11:55 PM | Report abuse

By the way, anyone who's interested, you can now order the Max Talbot Highlight DVD for the 2009-2010 season. Price is $9.95 + shipping. Total running time of the DVD is 17 seconds to show both of his goals. A bonus DVD shows Max losing to Cindy in the dryer contest in Cindy's cellar. 9-3 was the final score but wah-wah I just spoiled it for you!

Send orders online to:

maxiepadismyhero@cindyrules.com

I'm sure the good people there will get your DVD out pronto.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 28, 2010 12:12 AM | Report abuse

Really, what has this game come to? Can you imagine a 4th line winger on the Bruins back in the 60s calling Gordie Howe a d-bag? Can you imaginie a guy off the bench for the Pistons in the 90s calling Micheal Jordan such a thing? A back-up cornerback on the Lions saying this stuff about Brett Favre ten years ago? A freshman congressman calling the President a liar? (Oops, that happened.)

Maxie Pad needs to understand that Ovechkin helps to butter his bread. That's simply a fact of life with a CBA where the players' share is tied as a percentage of total revenues. Or maybe Maxie Pad hasn't counted how many of his jerseys sell compared to Ovechkin's?

There's a time and a place in this world when you open your yap and let the words run free. Criticizing those who put money in your pocket and food on your table is not one of those times.

Max Talbot is an idiot, an immature idiot. Please tell him I said so.

Geez. 2 goals. I could score two goals...

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 28, 2010 12:24 AM | Report abuse

"MAX-I PAD"! What a great name for such a doosh-bag of a person.He's just jeolous of ovi.He'll never be a quarter of a player ovi is so he has to down play ovi to make himself sound better but really hes just making himself sound like more of a d-bag than anything.He has no class and no credability with anyone in the nhl anymore.You just dont say that about another fellow player.Hate or no hate,you just dont do it.I hope ovi crushes this punk at the winter classic and trully shows who the tru d-bag is.And great for flash! Glad this is over for him.I trully like flash and think he has more to offer and hope he proves everyone wrong and has a great year.Coming in this year healthy will be a plus and help conditioning for the year which he didnt have last year.I see good things coming from flash but if not,its only a year contract and if he doesnt produce dont resign him.I cant wait to see what happens! BRING ON THE CAPS!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 28, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

Why does a team want to pay a guy $2.6M who has to be healthy-scratched in a playoff-series Game 7?

Flash didn't want to go to arbitration because the record of players going against the Caps isn't very good. Morrisonn is still looking for a job after having overvalued himself by about $1M/yr in his arbitration. Jurcina just signed with NYI for about $300k less than he got from the Caps.

McPhee should have gone to arbitration and walked at anything over $2.4.

Posted by: pga6 | July 28, 2010 12:58 AM | Report abuse

One last thing and then I'm really finished for tonight.

Earlier I put a post and I used the "D word." Yes, that's right, tominsocal1 used the "D word."

I didn't think anything of it until the post bounced back.

Now, am I mistaken, or did Steinberg's blog earlier today (or, yesterday in your time) also use that terrible word? He can do it and I can't?

Let's face it, this is a sanitary product we are talking about, essentially no different than deoderant or, really, Q-Tips.

One could argue that this product is the same as mouthwash but for a different part of the body (good thing the d-product wasn't named along the lines of mouthwash, huh?).

Is ear-wax remover verboten? How about Visine? Let's face it, some products are designed to cleanse parts of the body. This is merely a fact of civilized society. Have we reverted to Victorian times that we can't face the fact that we clean ourselves (Oh! Heavens!).

Just remember, every time you use a bar of soap in the shower, ask yourself who was using it last and where were they using it.

308 million people in this country trying to hide from the truth and one - tominsocal1 - trying to drag you all, kicking and screaming, into the 21st century.

Heavens to Betsy, people, it's a bathroom product. Like toothpaste. Good thing though we didn't name it like that.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 28, 2010 1:07 AM | Report abuse

just a quick test
preperation h
tom - i'm with ya in the 21st century

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 28, 2010 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Not the best, but an acceptable deal. I really hope Flash continues to develop and ends up surprising us. If he can actually improve the way Plekanec did then we will be lucky. Otherwise it is just a 1 year deal so he could be traded or just let go at the end of the year.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 28, 2010 3:05 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Great observervations! BTW, did you go with Red wine last night because Knuble and Steckel were on the road in Pittsburgh?

Posted by: MReilly9 | July 28, 2010 7:00 AM | Report abuse

It was white wine. They were on the road.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 28, 2010 7:45 AM | Report abuse

If Flash can just somehow get better at his faceoffs (maybe Steckel, B. Gordon and Backy can give him lessons), he could be a decent center imho. I don't know if he's "the answer" at #2 C, but if he could just get competent in the faceoffs, it would really improve his chances (sorry to restate the obvious :D).

Posted by: blackjack65 | July 28, 2010 7:50 AM | Report abuse

I sure hope GMGM has something up his sleeve here and is going to make a few moves. Going into the season no different than last year would be a HUGE failure in my opinion. Trade Flush, trade Erskine and get the pieces we need.....legit #2 Center and a couple nasty, hard skating Dmen.....Oh, a gritty 3rd liner would be nice as well.

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 7:51 AM | Report abuse

Tom, Are you on the road, it's before dawn in LA and you are writing a hockey novella. You should go to arbitration because you are worth more than 250k and I doubt you would break down and cry at the hearing. I also agree that the Caps need a couple centers, but they are a year or two from having two bonafides in MJ and the new Russian kid. A skating blueliner with attitude is a must for the Caps -- package Flash and 1-2 prospects for someone, but who is available?

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | July 28, 2010 7:52 AM | Report abuse

MAXI-PAD TALBOT is a DOOOOOSH!!!!

tominsocal; theres always loop holes with everything!

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 28, 2010 8:07 AM | Report abuse

would have traded him and semin for chara (not that he's for sale) - regardless, we need a shot-blocking, shut down D

has anyone ever seen this guy check anything? you shout at him and he falls over in the corners

get another Knuble type - he was our best acquisition in the last three years - he's even upped Brooksie's game

Posted by: rok_d_rEd | July 28, 2010 8:30 AM | Report abuse

Max Talbot...yeah whatever he was pretty good in junior. Its August guys - this season its all business around here and the media should not be permitted to create a storm and distract the Caps, OV, Boudreau, or anyone else in 2010-11 from what we are attempting to do.

Last year there were too many Umberger's, snow sprays, Halak shakes, Campbell hits, Gleason hits, dirty player, no Olympic glory...on and on and on eruptions where players and one coach decided to engage and answer to what was being written & said about this team and its players.

This thread was about Fleischmann being re-signed - that will affect the Caps play on the ice. We need to focus on winning and not what non Caps fans think.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 28, 2010 8:31 AM | Report abuse

I understand people are sick of talking about Max Talbot, but one quick point (please indulge me). I see the video that rh71 posted where Ovi decks Talbot and Talbot goes into a fetal position. Just speculating, but maybe Ovi reminded him of that at the Olympics. And may Max waits until now to respond - not to Ovi's face, but when Ovi is not even in North America. It makes me wonder about CStanton's claim of Talbot's extreme mental toughness.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 9:05 AM | Report abuse

I like Flash, and I'm glad he was able to resign. That being said, he can now be traded. If they followed through with the arbitration and went that route, he could not be moved for a certain amount of time. Not that I want to see him go, but if he can be moved to make this team better I'm all for it. But if he stays, I'm ok with that too. :) Is it October yet?

Posted by: j3rockstar | July 28, 2010 9:07 AM | Report abuse

Now let's fill some holes and play hockey! I can't wait to sit down in Verizon and watch a game, while enjoying a beer and a super dog with mustard, relish, and just a hint of rat turds! Let's Go Caps!

Posted by: kcbrichmond | July 28, 2010 9:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm surprised they re-signed Flash. Why are they re-signing all these playoff nonfactors. Is there really nobody better that's avaiable, especially for 2.6 mil? This team had a lot of holes last year and none of them have been plugged. Very strange.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 28, 2010 9:36 AM | Report abuse

I know Flash had a crappy plyoffs...but so did over half the team...this is a good deal! Had he gone to arbitration it would have been a higher number. I think it was good for flash to sign a well...on paper he may be worth 3mil, but very few team would be willing to pay him that. With 1 yr. contract, he has a lot of incentive to up his game. This could be good for him and the team!

Posted by: capscoach | July 28, 2010 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Someone is wearing rose colored glasses again. Flush must go and Gordon should have never been resigned.....very disappointed with the offseason moves thus far, or should I say the lack thereof.

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 9:47 AM | Report abuse

Someone is wearing rose colored glasses again. Flush must go and Gordon should have never been resigned.....very disappointed with the offseason moves thus far, or should I say the lack thereof.

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Oops, sorry for the double post.

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Flash may well end up elsewhere by the trade deadline. He is very tradeable at 1 year/2.6 mil. I look forward to seeing what he can do going in to the season healthy. He has incentive to perform for another contract. I really don't see the negatives that some do. There are a couple pieces that could be added to the team, but I think we are going to be pretty strong anyway.

Posted by: _Mark | July 28, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Eh, you gotta keep Gordo. He's probably our best value with regard to the salary cap. He is a beast on faceoffs and PKs. As for Flash, he's pretty good at scoring during games where the Caps run the score up, but 2.6 mil? Really? I just don't see the same value that GMGM does. With Flash's cap hit, there is no room to fill any holes, and no team is going to accept a trade with him.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 28, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Ponikarovsky just signed a 1 year $3.2M deal. He was healthy scratched twice with Pittsburgh in the playoffs last year. And that is a team that is significantly weaker along the wings than the Caps and Ponikarovsky was still scratched. The market is weird.

I think re-signing Flash is a much better idea than letting him walk. Flash could have some real good trade value this season for teams looking to upgrade offense.

The Caps do not have to wait until the deadline to make deals. If some teams lose a winger to injury or are just not getting offensive production from the wings (LA, Minnesota, Nashville are all possibilities, maybe even Toronto) then he could be very good trade material. All that is out there now is Stempniak.

Flash is an asset the Caps have and it would not have been wise to just let him walk.

Now I'm not advocating going through the season with the same lines for the top 3. Changes could still occur before the season starts and changes could occur during the season. The Caps do not need to hurry and sometimes waiting for other teams to become needy can get you a much better return.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 10:14 AM | Report abuse

Gordo does not equal value, he is injury prone and only played about 30 games last year during the regular season. Yes he had a couple good games in the playoffs but there are plenty of players in Hershey who could have filled his role with a lower salary.

Back problems don't just go away, I have chronic problems with mine as well.....they should have walked away and let one of the youngsters step in.

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 10:18 AM | Report abuse

Gordo a "beast" on the PK ? Jeez...And Flash is a beast on the forecheck I imagine.

If they start the season with Flash on their team, puke freakn central

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Overpaid for that wuss

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 28, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

Knuble added: "It's the end of July and somebody's got to say something. It just adds to the rivalry. . . . I can't imagine any of our players saying something like that about Sidney Crosby."

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now didn't Semin kinda start this whole Caps/Pens verbal battle rolling when he dissed Crosby? And what he said was much worse. He said Crosby wasn't a great player. At least Talbot admitted Ovechkin's a great player (not that his opinion matters any but still..)

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

A message needed to be sent to the team that what happened in the playoffs was not acceptable. No such message has been sent. Instead, these players have been rewarded. Could Flash and Semin really be on this team opening night?

We are the softest team in the NHL.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 28, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

Overpaid for that wuss

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 28, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

not acc to the NHL standards. I was clued into this by Tominsocal so predicted he'd get at least this amount. It is shocking though that such a powdery puffy gutless heartless tramp of a player can make this kind of money.

He should give Boudreau half the amount since he owes his career so far to Bruce. BB put him in the lineup, BB gave him every chance to showcase his skills without barely any accountability, and BB convinced McPhee to sign him up. Now the only magic trick left to see is can McPhee fool another team into giving us quality return on the Flasher.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Well, the "good" thing about Flash is that his status is not so great that he can't be benched when he stinks/chokes. The same cannot be said for Semin and Green.

Though I do recall Green being benched in Period 3/Game 7 vs. Pens the previous year. But the game was done at that point, and BB was in a real pissy mood.

Posted by: hockeypuck2 | July 28, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

As I recall, Semin said something like "Patrick Kane is as good as Crosby." Basically, that Crosby is one of the elite players in the league, but not necessarily the absolute best. I think that is a defensible statement. He probably shouldn't have said it anyway. He's learned his lesson, now he doesn't say anything, and everyone calls him "enigmatic" and wants to trade him.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

"a powdery puffy gutless heartless tramp of a player"

That seems to be going a little overboard. Have you met him? Do you know the level of work and committment he puts into his craft?

You may think he stinks or dislike his style of play. Absolutely fine.

But you go unbelievably overboard in criticizing the committment and heart of a player to which you have to little to no knowledge of.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 10:35 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I wouldnt be so harsh on Flash and I really dont care for him. But you did hit on something very important. People talk about all the upside he might have and to me he has already reached his peak. While he is a skilled player, skill only can take you so far. You need heart to get to the next level and it appears to me that Flash doesnt have as much heart as others. Im sure he cares, but he is basically emotionless. You never see him get angry and hit someone, if he gets leveled he just takes it. I mean even Jeff Schultz hits people or shoves them into the boards, not as frequently as we would like him to but he does do it. Flash just doesnt show much heart/emotion at all and that is why in my opinion he disappears in the playoffs. Others notch it up with that heart and determination and he is left in the dust.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

My point being that I think it is worse to call someone a d-bag and imply that they have fundamental character flaws.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 10:36 AM | Report abuse

I know tat Flash was an RFA and not a UFA, but consider that Ponikarovsky just received a 1 year $3.2M contract from the Kings and Ponikarovsky was scratched for multiple games during the playoffs on a team that was extremely weak on the wings.

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lol, are you making a case that Flash is better than Poni ?

Flash - 118 pts over the past 3 seasons
Poni - 137 pts over the past 3 seasons

Flash - weak on the puck
Poni - 6ft4 frame better suited for nhl play

Flash - 36 hits last year (only 110 hits behind Poni); 22 hits the yr before.

Poni - 146 hits last yr; 104 hits the yr before

The only advantage Flash has is age (4 yrs younger). But I doubt even if/when he "matures" he'll be able to withstand the rigors of nhl competition the way Poni can. And as much as Don Cherry made fun of him, Poni was one of the few Leafs who pushed back on the ice when they were considered a huge joke a few yrs ago. He didn't like to lose and he tried his butt off to prove he wasn't a 6ft4 nancy despite the fact that physicality didn't come naturally to him. Nothing about Flash's game indicates that he hates to lose.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:42 AM | Report abuse

"That seems to be going a little overboard. Have you met him? Do you know the level of work and committment he puts into his craft?"

blah blah blah. I don't need to meet someone to gauge his level of commitment to his craft. OPEN YER EYES AND YE TOO SHALL SEE THE LIGHT!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:45 AM | Report abuse

"You may think he stinks or dislike his style of play. Absolutely fine."

disliking his style of play is irrelevant in gauging a player's effectiveness. He's ineffective BECAUSE of the way he plays. He lacks the guts to play the kind of game that a player like him needs to play in order to maximize and complement his skill advantage. Look at a player like Jonathan Cheechoo before his injuries. The kid played all out all the time. If he played the gutless game that Flash did he would've still put up some point totals but not been the type of player he ended up being. The only thing separating a skilled player like Flash from being a real asset is his lack of heart. Lacko del hearto.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:49 AM | Report abuse

"Flash just doesnt show much heart/emotion at all and that is why in my opinion he disappears in the playoffs. Others notch it up with that heart and determination and he is left in the dust."

and you didn't need to 'meet' him to reach that conclusion!? Amazing!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:52 AM | Report abuse

@zmega:

This is what Semin supposedly said. I'm assuming in Russian since he apparently can't or won't speak anglais

" What's so special about [Crosby]? I don't see anything special there. Yes, he does skate well, has a good head, good pass. But there's nothing else. Even if you compare him to Patrick Kane from Chicago ... [Kane] is a much more interesting player. The way he moves, his deking abilities, his thinking on the ice and his anticipation of the play is so superb".

This is not exactly how you characterized his comments.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Sorry if this is a repeat...saw someone refer to it but with no link, so here it is again.

Partial reason of why Maxi Pad Talbot has his harsh opinions of Ovi:

http://www.casttv.com/video/vkruwin/alex-ovechkin-drops-max-talbot-video

great thing is that ovi was casually gliding in to this collision and he still lambasted the loser.

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | July 28, 2010 10:55 AM | Report abuse

"I mean even Jeff Schultz hits people or shoves them into the boards, not as frequently as we would like him to but he does do it. "

yep, if you push Schultz around enough he will at least try and push back. He made an interesting comment right about the time he got drafted. Something to the effect of "players take advantage of me out there and I have to learn to push back a little. When someone takes a big run at me I need to give them a whack or slash across their legs or something"

i haven't seen a lot of that from him but at least he's semi-aware that he needs to stand up for himself and get his nose at least a slight bit dirty. This yr imo should give a clear indication as to how much commitment he intends to give to the physical side of the game. If he doesn't take a significant step fwd this yr physically then its pretty clear that he intends to be strictly a positional type of player who would prefer to avoid contact as much as possible. Which is why I'm hoping for some more competition at D. Leaving Schultz out of the lineup here and there will make him play harder.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

I agree zmega - Semin just said Crosby was obviously good but he preferred watching Patrick Kane - an eminently defensible statement, IMO. Talbot also kind of put his teammate Malkin on the spot with that one I thought. Maybe he's still sensitive that from when Geno called him out for having stone hands.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 28, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

I agree.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

"Semin just said Crosby was obviously good but he preferred watching Patrick Kane"

What he really said Timbo was

" What's so special about [Crosby]? I don't see anything special there. Yes, he does skate well, has a good head, good pass. But there's nothing else."

Skates, well, good head, good pass, nothing else. I'd call that a pretty good slam considering the kind of player Crosby is. Semin just completely downplayed the level of Crosby's talent and play.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I don't see how JS ups his physicality and stays in the lineup, unless BB keeps the blinders on once again - he is just so damn slow he will just get burned by almost any top-6 forward in the league. If he tries to take the body, right around him they will scoot. Maybe he gets stronger as sgm3 and others have argued he will, but it's not that he doesn't have quickness, he is effing slow for an NHL player. You can improve your strength, but slow sticks [I'm talking burst - acceleration in tight spaces - i.e., hockey].

How he went in the 1st is one of life's eternal mysteries.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 28, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

I agree.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:05 AM | Report abuse

of course you would. Even when it doesn't make sense. You're kinda like Flash. Lacko del hearto.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1 - Crosby basically disappeared for shifts at a time two years ago, despite having one of the best wings in the game at his side - but a lethal PP [with Gonchar running] and a basically unstoppable Malkin made everybody forget about that. Crosby's obviously good, but he is not the god that Canadian hockey media make him out to be.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 28, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

@timbo1

Schultz went in the first round because he is big, fundamentally sound and is more often than not in the right place. Yes he is a slow skater and doesnt have the quick burst, but he makes up for that with being in the right position. And Schultz is the best on the team ar moving the puck down the ice via the outlet pass. I dont think he will ever be the phsyical player people want him to be with his size. People just need to recognize what he is and be happy. He's an above average 2nd pair defensemen in the NHL that just happens to play on our top pair.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo

I'll put it this way. Semin has absolutely no business criticizing a player like Crosby who has accomplished a heckuva lot more and can display great vision and passing as well as adjust his game for the playoffs and plant himself within a foot of the crease. For a guy like Semin who plays such a finesse game and disappears during the playoffs, he needs to shut his mouth till he actually accomplishes something. Otherwise it just sounds like sour grapes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:17 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

I think Schultz can improve his burst and agility with training. But he will never be good in those areas because, as you stated, he just wasn't born with that ability. Hopefully he can get himself to become average in those areas.

@ThePat

I agree with you assessment of Schultz.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

"How he went in the 1st is one of life's eternal mysteries."

He kinda fit what the Caps prefer. Tall, long reach, decent skater for his size, good hockey sense (?). That's why they drafted Pokulok too. They didn't look for physicality. And quickness at the time wasn't considered an issue for Schultz. He was considered a good skater for his size. And if you look at his #s alone, he has justified his selection in that draft. Alas, life is more than just #s.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Are people actually advocating that we shouldn't have resigned Flash (especially at 2.6?) Where's the value in that? Either play him, or trade him. Both require signing him.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 28, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

but ftr, if i was going into a playoff series, I'd opt for Mark Fistric over Schultz. Fistric was drafted one spot later. The rest of the kids drafted after him weren't anything to write home about unless you're looking for an offensive type of dman like Goligoski.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:23 AM | Report abuse

I'll put it this way. Semin has absolutely no business criticizing a player like Crosby who has accomplished a heckuva lot more and can display great vision and passing as well as adjust his game for the playoffs and plant himself within a foot of the crease. For a guy like Semin who plays such a finesse game and disappears during the playoffs, he needs to shut his mouth till he actually accomplishes something. Otherwise it just sounds like sour grapes.

Posted by: cstanton1

Agree. We should get rid of Semin. If he only played for the Caps the way he played for Russia in the Olympics. He was hitting everyone. I found myself wondering if it was someone else wearing a Semin jersey and mask.

Posted by: LloydChristmas | July 28, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

I'm advocating trading flash. Sooner the better.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Wait - Semin has no business criticizing Crosby, but there's no problem with Maxipad basically saying Ovie has fundamental character flaws? How on earth is that defensible?

And re-reading the quotation of what Semin actually said - posted by you - I think my paraphrase was actually pretty accurate. And I might add, on the money - Patrick Kane is more fun to watch! And at least as good on the big stage, I might add.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 28, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't that Semin quote almost two years ago? Hasn't he shut his mouth since then and been widely criticized for it.

So he gets criticized for not shutting his mouth and then gets criticized for shutting his mouth.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

"I dont think he will ever be the phsyical player people want him to be with his size. People just need to recognize what he is and be happy."

There are examples of players in organizations who have started out like Schultz and ended up being much more physical. But the coach and GM usually demand that of them as part of their development. It rarely happens on its own. Adam Creighton was a 6ft5 (largely) finesse center who Buffalo could never get to play the way they wanted him to play. Until Mike Keenan (uh oh there's that name again, run for cover sgm), got hold of Creighton and turned him into a player that put up 34 goals and 224 PIMs in a season. But Willie Huber was a guy who under the Rangers (pre-Neil Smith) who was a target for the NY fans because he refused to play upto his size.

If we had a different regime here, Schultz may end up being much more physical than he currently is. The player has some say, but the GM/coach play an equal if not larger role.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

Yeah, Kane probably had the two biggest goals for the Blackhawks this year. The SC winnig OT goal in game 6 and also th SH game tying goal with less than 30 seconds left against Nashville in game 5.

I took that quote to be more of a compliment to Kane than an insult to Crosby.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

"And re-reading the quotation of what Semin actually said - posted by you - I think my paraphrase was actually pretty accurate"

so if someone on the Pens or Flyers said

"What's so special about Ovechkin? I don't see anything special there. Yes, he does skate well, has a good head, good pass. But there's nothing else"

that wouldn't raise the ire of all the homers? puhleeze. Lets not lie to ourselves shall we. If Crosby had said that about Ovechkin, what Semin said about him the WaPo servers would crash with the amount of traffic this blog would see.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Interesting signing - GMGM seems to be able to keep salaries reasonable but also honest. It's a make or break year for Flash. I thought him pretty weak 3 years ago but he's improved every season. Last year, very strong in the month of January and a big reason for our historic streak (someone wins the Cup every year but only 3 times in 100+ years of the NHL has any team won 14 games in a row). If he can transition to center - and I respect the opinions of those who are skeptical - then it's at least a good signing for a single year. Looks like no Belanger though, doesn't it?

Posted by: RedLitYogi | July 28, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Wasn't that Semin quote almost two years ago? Hasn't he shut his mouth since then and been widely criticized for it.

So he gets criticized for not shutting his mouth and then gets criticized for shutting his mouth.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:28 AM | Report abuse

don't mischaracterize. No one asked Semin to shut his mouth completely. Just shut his mouth about making such dumb inflammatory comments considering his team can't make it out of the 2nd round. Unless you don't believe he's capable of making any smart comments, in which case I'd agree with you that he should just never talk again.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

We get it - you don't like Flash - no need for 20 posts on that subject from you.

Posted by: DnicefromHtown | July 28, 2010 11:34 AM | Report abuse

IMO the Semin quote and the Talbot quote arent comparable. Semin talking about on ice abilities, Talbot talking about an off ice account and Ovi's personality. To me both quotes are good for hockey, they let you know what players think of others.

I really dont know why what Talbot said is getting that much attention, especially by people that didnt like it. If people dont like it ignore it, otherwise you feed the monster with attention.

@cstanton1

I agree players can be pushed to be more physical but much how you and I both see Flash doesn't have "it", I dont think Schultz wants to be that type of player. Not really sure any coach could get it of him.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

I'm advocating trading flash. Sooner the better.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:24 AM

I agree.

However, I would miss having someone with the nickname "Flash". It's a pretty solid one as far as nicknames go.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 28, 2010 11:36 AM | Report abuse

"What's so special about Crosby? I don't see anything special there. Yes, he does skate well, has a good head, good pass. But there's nothing else"

the funny thing is, this could be the description of Flash. And I'd definitely take offense to that!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@Fro

True, that is a pretty sweet nickname.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I agree players can be pushed to be more physical but much how you and I both see Flash doesn't have "it", I dont think Schultz wants to be that type of player. Not really sure any coach could get it of him.

Posted by: ThePat

players back in the day didn't have much choice in the matter if thats the style their coach wanted. They either bought into it, or they got traded. I guess the game HAS changed if what you're saying is true. I think it would also help Schultz play that way if our GM ever had brought in a strong veteran defensive leader who cut his teeth playing a certain style (i.e. tinori, dhatch, jsmith etc). That way our young D could learn from that. Niedermayer credited playing under Stevens and Daneyko for his development.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

couldn't find the original quote where he mentions just Stevens by name but this is from his retirement ceremony:

"The only way you have success in hockey is by trusting and relying on your teammates. I could not have played with a better group of players all throughout my career. It has been a great feeling knowing the guy beside you is with you 100 percent. To me, that is the most rewarding part of winning a championship, the bond between you and your teammates. When I started my career in New Jersey, I was lucky to join a distinguished group of defensemen – Scott Stevens, Ken Daneyko, Viacheslav Fetisov, Alexei Kasatonov, Bruce Driver and Tommy Albelin. It was an amazing group that taught me a lot and helped me the transition into the NHL. "

now can you imagine Schultz and Green saying the same thing about guys like Poti or any of the other "veterans" on our blueline?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:46 AM | Report abuse

what a waste of money. this has truly been a disappointing summer as it relates to the Caps making a couple of moves to address team weakness. Did have to do much more that make 2 moves. unfortuantely, McPee couldn't find it in himself to sack up and get it done.

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse

OK, to get back to the subject thread, for one who's been fairly critical in the past, I think this was a pretty good signing by GMGM. I know I'm more positive about Flash than others here obviously, but worst case scenario, if it doesn't work, he's not exactly an unattractive option for teams with hoping to make a push at the deadline.

I've always wondered what Flash could do alongside a true playmaker with whom he was comfortable - and the B's certainly fit that bill with Krecji probably becoming their 1C this year to read reports out of Beantown [Mr. Cam Neely is apparently not so high on Marc Savard's 1) style of play and 2) unseemly habit of throwing teammates under the bus.

I just don't see GMGM picking up Savard's contract, it's a long one and, from what I saw anyway in camp, I don't think Kuznetzov is more than a year away, two at most.

I'm hoping for the best with Flash though, and that a good off-season of training has him ready for a breakout season. I can hope, anyway.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 28, 2010 11:49 AM | Report abuse

"@Timbo_1

Yeah, Kane probably had the two biggest goals for the Blackhawks this year. The SC winnig OT goal in game 6 and also th SH game tying goal with less than 30 seconds left against Nashville in game 5."

hmm didn't max talbot get 2 goals in game 7 v Det? Must be that he's as good as Kane is then.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I agree with you that the team would be better off in bringing in a vet to show Schultz how to do it and that would be the best way. The game has changed, the players have changed. Its a salary cap world and players are babied much more in today's world than they ever were in the past.

What worries me most about the Caps is what makes other people so happy about them. Their average age is 26. While that is a good sign the team will be competitive for years to come, its not a good sign in that all these young guys dont have enough veterans to look up to. And what have we done this offseason, gotten even younger. Bangs head against desk.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 11:51 AM | Report abuse

@Timbo

I'll put it this way. Semin has absolutely no business criticizing a player like Crosby who has accomplished a heckuva lot more and can display great vision and passing as well as adjust his game for the playoffs and plant himself within a foot of the crease. For a guy like Semin who plays such a finesse game and disappears during the playoffs, he needs to shut his mouth till he actually accomplishes something. Otherwise it just sounds like sour grapes.

Posted by: cstanton1
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I believe you are mixing up Flash and Semin cstanton unless you are simply basing everything on points (goals and assists) which would be out of character for your normal player comparisons!

Flash disappeared, wasn't physical and showed no heart.

Semin damn near dominated in shots, but just couldn't pot one because of the clustering of D and Halak. HUGE difference dude! Semin was clearly trying his butt off to score. Flash was timid!

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 28, 2010 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Free agent crop this year was good but not amazing and with salary cap how can you fault the organization for resigning RFA's and waiting until arbitration is done to see how much cap room there is.

If GMGM truly believes a young guy can do 2C then look for Belanger to be signed now. I do think he is happy with D to start season with additions of Carlson and Alzner. These moves allow for in-season moves when landscape of season takes shape.

Relax on the NY Yankees way of thinking, we don't need to sign grass-is-greener players folks.

Posted by: flee001 | July 28, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

"if it doesn't work, he's not exactly an unattractive option for teams with hoping to make a push at the deadline. "

realistically timbo, i don't see a Flash getting moved at the deadline very easily. Here's why. For him to get moved, that would mean the Caps really aren't happy with him. Which means, that for the first two thirds of the season, he's either not going to be playing well as a lineup regular or he'll be riding pine on many nights. Neither of which make him an attractive option. The only way we get decent value back for Flash at the deadline is

1) a team desperate for any offense is making a playoff push
and
2) the Caps have given him quality ice time all yr and he's put up decent points
and
3) despite #2, the Caps are still willing to deal him and open up a hole on their team for a young player who hasn't had a chance to prove himself because Flash has c0kkblocked him from the lineup

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

We get it - you don't like Flash - no need for 20 posts on that subject from you.

Posted by: DnicefromHtown


Who died and made you blog queen??

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 11:57 AM | Report abuse

I believe you are mixing up Flash and Semin cstanton unless you are simply basing everything on points (goals and assists) which would be out of character for your normal player comparisons!
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@frank
no way. If Semin had busted his butt in every game then despite his meager point total I'd have given him credit. Go back and watch the games again if you can. Watch Semin on every shift. He floated around too much until the middle of the series when he finally decided to start playing harder since his points weren't coming. Even on this blog during the playoffs, I remember a bunch of folks (not just me) commenting on how lazy Semin looked in the first few games. Semin and Flash both looked extremely lazy on the ice and passed up numerous opportunities to forecheck hard. Skating away from checks isn't conducive to playoff hockey.

The way Semin started the series was predictable. The way he ended the series was also predictable. He played much harder once it was apparent that his lack of points in the series was becoming a focus for the coach, the fans, the media.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

"We get it - you don't like Flash - no need for 20 posts on that subject from you."

lol, touche. Understood. No more flash posts today. Gotta get back to work anyway.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Caps re-sign Flash and you're calling for no more Flash post, good times.

Posted by: flee001 | July 28, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Why are the only options to get rid of Flash now or at the deadline. The months of October, November, December, January, and February do still exist.

A team lacking offense and skill on their top 2 lines, who is looking to make the playoffs this year, would be the sort of team to make a play for Flash. The LA Kings, Minnesota Wild, Nashville Predators, Ottawa Senators, Toronto Maple Leafs, Boston Bruins(no cap room though), St. Louis Blues to name a few.

Injuries can also change the makeup of teams.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

GMGM deserves credit for not tying up Flash or Semin to more than one year deals. Both could have proven they deserved multi-year deals in the playoffs and neither came through (although Semin was a factor, just couldn't score). Even if Flash is playing well during the regular season, his finesse style is not suited for the playoffs. Caps will likely move him along with Semin to improve the D around the trade deadline. Like many on this blog, I don't Flash as part of the team's long-term future.

Assuming Flash and Semin are traded during he season, GMGM likely has around $12M to take on additional contracts for a tough veteran defenseman and true 2nd line center. Also, is there any word on whether Belanger is still negotiating with the Caps or has he signed elsewhere?

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 28, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The way I see it, GMGM had to resign Flash since Flash is the most credible current candidate for second line center. Now you could say that GMGM painted himself into that corner, but that's where we are IMO.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 12:38 PM | Report abuse

If we're going that route, I think Laich is better suited to be a 2nd line center than is _____. He's played it in the past. He's stronger on the puck, he's more responsible defensively and has more experience on faceoffs than _____

where he has a skill disadvantage over _____, he makes it up in other ways.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Mad Libs. Sweet.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

Don't understand why Fleischmann gets $200k a year more than Laich. Even if you interpolate TF's stats out to 79 games he still is a point behind BL and he doesn't go in the corners or in front of the net and is hip-checked off the puck by any player who desires to take it away. Not sure there are any intangibles where Laich doesn't beat him out as well. Guess it was the Moulson signing that got TF & his agent to reconsider the whole arbitration thing. TF has lower PPG career average and Moulson signed for $2.4 for one year just before his arb hearing.

Posted by: Varly | July 28, 2010 12:49 PM | Report abuse

If we're going that route, I think Laich is better suited to be a 2nd line center than is _____. He's played it in the past. He's stronger on the puck, he's more responsible defensively and has more experience on faceoffs than _____

where he has a skill disadvantage over _____, he makes it up in other ways.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 12:44 PM

cstanton1 is a man of his word

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 28, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

if nothin else right, haha

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Edm just re-signed Gilbert Brule at 1.85 per season. I'd take him over _____ in a hurry as potential 2nd line center.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I love this game.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 28, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Edm just re-signed Gilbert Brule at 1.85 per season. I'd take him over Rick Rypien in a hurry as potential 2nd line center.

Mad Libs is fun

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Edm just re-signed Gilbert Brule at 1.85 per season. I'd take him over Ron Artest in a hurry as potential 2nd line center.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Edm just re-signed Gilbert Brule at 1.85 per season. I'd take him over Albert Haynesworth in a hurry as potential 2nd line center.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Flash at $2.6 million is not bad. I just hope GMGM has learned that "beating them with the PP" is a bad strategy and bring in a few tough SOBS. Outside of Ovi, no one inspires fear and other teams freely take liberties with our guys. Before moving Flash for the magical 2C/Shutdown D that will single-handedly carry the Caps to Cup, I'd upgrade the grinders. A couple of > $1 million dollar guys who don't have delusions of winning the Richard and realize their only chance of staying in the league is by making life difficult for the opposition could make a huge difference.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Edm just re-signed Gilbert Brule at 1.85 per season. I'd take him over a vacuum cleaner in a hurry as potential 2nd line center.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 1:16 PM | Report abuse

ablake70,

Preach on my brother, preach on!!!!

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

this game sucks. I hate it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I'd upgrade the grinders. A couple of > $1 million dollar guys who don't have delusions of winning the Richard and realize their only chance of staying in the league is by making life difficult for the opposition could make a huge difference.

Posted by: ablake70

dang straight. Our grinders outside of Bradley (who is an ok grinder) aren't really grinders at all. They call Gordo a grinder and its puzzling. All he is is a finesse player with limited skill. That doesn't make him a grinder.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

hell i'd rather see rick rypien in here as a 2nd line center over _____

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Fleischmann is a MASSIVE liability defensively as a center. Faceoffs will be the least of his problems in that role.

I don't care what the stats showed from last season, assuming somebody will dig up some numbers to try to prove he's not as bad as it seems.

I'd be worried about that matchup regardless of which opposing line was on the ice.

Hopefully they DO NOT have any plans to use him as a center. That's just a disaster in the making. You can at least hide some of his timid style of play when he's on the wing.

In general, Fleischmann is both mentally and physically soft. The physical part is obvious. On the mental side, if he didn't have such extreme stagefright, he wouldn't shank or fall to the ice on so many golden scoring chances. He could've scored 5 to 10 more goals easily if he didn't jizz his pants so often when staring at half an empty net.

Posted by: tmac2yao | July 28, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

hell i'd rather see rick rypien in here as a 2nd line center over Toucan Sam

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

Is it just me, or does Sidney look just like TinTin (intrepid boy-reporter Belgian cartoon character) in that picture from Heinz Field? I'll bet Knuble throws a better pass than boy wonder, too.

Posted by: CAP-lanta | July 28, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

thx for the list, for a variety of reasons the players I'd be interested in are Stempniak, maybe Sutton, Dominic Moore, Asham, maybe Mitchell. I love Torres but he's too banged up at this stage of his career.

Of the RFAs, Chris Stewart and James Neal. I'd say Downie but I wouldn't want Caps fans to collectively have a vaginal hemorrhage.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 1:44 PM | Report abuse

what a waste of money. this has truly been a disappointing summer as it relates to the Caps making a couple of moves to address team weakness. Did have to do much more that make 2 moves. unfortuantely, McPee couldn't find it in himself to sack up and get it done.
Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2010 11:47 AM | Report abuse


No, a waste of money would have been letting him walk. In order NOT to waste money, you have to sign him to either use him as a player or trade him.

Posted by: Skullduggery65 | July 28, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Simply put, Fleischmann still plays the game like a scared kid despite being in his mid 20s. You can see the fear in his face half of the time and even sense it when he talks. He's just a scared dude who shrinks under pressure. Skill is useless if you are too timid to engage yourself in the game and use it.

He needs to man the bleep up but if he hasn't done so at this point... if he can't do it in a playoff environment... when will he? Probably never.

My guess is that needs somebody who is constantly in his ear challenging him and criticizing him as opposed to positive reinforcement. I just don't think he's the type to respond under a player's coach, if he has any chance of responding at all.

Posted by: tmac2yao | July 28, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Downie stepped it up big-time last year. But you would presumably have to play him ahead of either Fehr or Laich, wouldn't you? So who would you demote/trade? Unless you play Laich at center and sit Chimera, I guess.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Downie would be a great addition to this team but if he's a RFA, I assume TB will resign him. They'd be silly not to, assuming they have the cap room. Regardless of Yzerman's approach to team building, he must know that Downie makes them a better team. He brings a lot to the table.

I don't know if he can play both wing positions but we'd have to find room for him if we were able to get him which I assume won't be the case since he's an RFA.

Posted by: tmac2yao | July 28, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

I think it is clear the Caps need a guy who is tough as nails. I think a great choice is a guy who is rarely mentioned on this blog, and who also possesses the ability to shoot.

Happy Gilmore. True, he has skating issues, but according to the wise people here that isn't a very important part of the game.

Sign Mr. Gilmore to a 1 yr. $1M deal. Hey, he would be cheaper than Boogaard and be just as good, if not better(skating is about equal, but Happy may be able to take Boogaard in a fight)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

And I think it is clear that sgm3 is very happy with the status quo of being bounced from the playoffs every year because this team can not play playoff style hockey due to not having the right personnel.

Keep drinking the kool-aid and wearing the roase colored glasses there sgm3.

Posted by: PhilR | July 28, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

Are you saying you would be against signing Mr. Gilmore?

IMO, he is perfect.

He could also be useful as a point man on the PP for a shift or two.

However, if the other team got the puck it would basically mean a breakaway, or at least a 2 on 1. But is that any different than it is now?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Another possible negative is Happy may take his skate off and try to stab his opponent with it. But hey, that's just hockey. No one would mess with the Caps after something like that happens.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

You're joking, but the Caps really could use a guy that "may take his skate off and try to stab his opponent with it". There is more to the game than just the guys racking up goals and assists. Do you think guys like Kane, Briere or even Crosby would be as effective and go into the tough areas if they played on this team? If they did, they wouldn't make it past November.

Right now, all the Caps have is Ovi. How many more suspensions does the Captain need to get before GMGM/fans realize a few tough as nails players are needed?

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Downie stepped it up big-time last year. But you would presumably have to play him ahead of either Fehr or Laich, wouldn't you? So who would you demote/trade? Unless you play Laich at center and sit Chimera, I guess.

Posted by: zmega | July 28, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Downie is best suited to a 3rd line role with some PP time. At this point anyway. Regardless of what line he played on in Tampa, he's not a 1st line player, but is primarily a 3rd line checking forward with skill who can also double up on the 2nd line. Since our lines (2nd and 3rd) are pretty dynamic, he can go back and forth depending on his play. He won't take ice time away from Fehr or Laich unless he deserves to based on his play. I'd love to see him take Chimera's spot on the 3rd line but then someone would have to shift to the left side (Laich?)

I'd also look at him as a PKer even though he didn't do that for Tocchet. He played PK in the juniors I think and he's got the right mentality for that type of game.

And sure, for a change of pace you can always dump him on that top line instead of Knuble (or in case of injury).

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70

Yes, I am just joking around. I do love the movie Happy Gilmore.

My preference is for the Caps to get a great checking/shutdown line that will match up against the opposing team's top line.

I don't care how they play defense(hitting, great skating and defensive position, great forechecking, combination, whatever) as long as they can be one of the best defensive lines that is capable of shutting down opposing teams' top lines.

I think that, more than anything, is the Caps biggest need. They really do not have a line to send out against opposing teams top players when they are just trying to stop the other team from scoring.

Again, I could care less what style they play to be good at defense as long as they can consistently stop opposing teams' top lines from scoring.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

and since SD can play both wings he's versatile enough that you can have a 3rd line of Laich centering Downie and maybe AGordon on the right side. That lets Fehr stay on the 2nd line RW.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Again, I could care less what style they play to be good at defense as long as they can consistently stop opposing teams' top lines from scoring.
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in general, the best shutdown lines aren't afraid of getting in the face of their opposition. So while you may say you don't care HOW its done, in reality the WAY its done doesn't fall in line with how the Caps play. When you think of guys like Draper, Tikannen, Maltby, Hunter, Linden - those guys were pretty high up in the tenacity dept. You have to be willing to be disliked. Most of the Caps players thrive on the opposite.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Why are we even bringing up what Semin "said" about Crosby? Last I checked, Semin doesn't allegedly speak English and that he gave that statement in Russian, which doesn't exactly translate to English very well. But, someone creatively translated it and now, for the rest of his life, some moron in every generation from here on out, is going to chastise him for mispeaking.

Talbot can say whatever the heck he wants. His two goals speak for themselves. He's got nothing. Unless ou count those raunchy pics he took of Crosby in his basement getting cleaned up after their commercial shoot with the dryer but that's their business. Not ours. Jk. =P

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 28, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Do you think guys like Kane, Briere or even Crosby would be as effective and go into the tough areas if they played on this team? If they did, they wouldn't make it past November.
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Agreed. Which just goes to show how tough as nails OV is; who do other teams fear on the Caps?

As much heat as some of our top-6 guys [esp Flash and Semin] get, how come our bottom 6 routinely escape scrutiny? Our PK's brutal, they don't scare anybody, and they don't score. Baffling.

I especially couldn't agree more about Gordo, no idea why he was resigned. Or went in the 1st.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | July 28, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

"Talbot can say whatever the heck he wants. His two goals speak for themselves. He's got nothing."

His output from last (injury-shortened) season somehow defines his entire career? You can't be that stupid can you?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

another point about having a "shutdown" line - you also need a shutdown dman or two to go with that. When Ovy runs into issues scoring, its usually because he's going against a dman (chara, gill, gorges whoever) who shuts him down, not his opposing counterpart at forward. Pronger played that effectively for the Flyers in the postseason.

We need help everywhere it seems..

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

"I especially couldn't agree more about Gordo, no idea why he was resigned. Or went in the 1st."

fits in perfectly with McPhee's vision. Not gritty or physical so he doesn't compromise a team by taking penalties. Good skater. Smart. Has some vision. That's GM's wet dream.

IIRC, Gordo got drafted as a RWer, not center.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

True, a shut down defensive defenseman would be #2 on my list of desires behind the shut down checking line.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I don't think players that can consistently stop a teams top line exist. If they did, we wouldn't be able to afford them. I think that falls more on coaching than individual players. What I want are guys that can take the bodyguard role from Ovi. Someone that would punish a guy that takes a run at Flash like Ovi does when someone breathes on Nick.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Mad lib answers:

Adam Oates
Jaromir Jagr
John Kordix

Posted by: C-way | July 28, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

When you think of guys like Draper, Tikannen, Maltby, Hunter, Linden - those guys were pretty high up in the tenacity dept. You have to be willing to be disliked. Most of the Caps players thrive on the opposite.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 2:49 PM

Excellent point!

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

@ Timbo_1

I have been complaining about the bottom 6 for some time. Signing Gordon, Chimera, Steckel, Bradley, etc is not bad in a vacuum, but having 6 of the same guy makes no sense. And the fact the none of the have been able to displace 37 year old Knuble as the top line net crasher is also troubling. Let's hope that Knuble doesn't have a Guerin like slide.

Posted by: ablake70 | July 28, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Look at the bottom 6 of the two teams who just played in the finals. Any comparison to the Caps? Some of the players that comprised the bottom 6 for both teams over the course of the season:

Asham, Carcillo, Betts, Powe, Lappy, Brouwer, Burish, Eager, Bickell, Versteeg. Even Kopecky threw his weight around. Bolland was probably the least physical of the bunch but he has other important attributes


so in summary, our skill players don't grind well enough, and our grinders are posers. Hell maybe McPhee and BB do deserve GM and coach of the yr.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:18 PM | Report abuse

John Madden played biggest role in the success of the Hawks checking line. He took a significant portion of the defensive zone draws(and almost all of the important ones) and was almost always on the ice to face the oppositions top line.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 4:27 PM | Report abuse

yeah i forgot about madden, real key player. Strong veteran who kinda tied it all together. He was another ultra-tenacious checking player with the Devils who brought that experience to the Hawks.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

I still think signing Madden to a one year deal to be the checking line center would be a good acquisition for the Caps.

He would a great option for facing Crosby too.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

It shouldn't be too hard to overhaul the bottom 2 lines. They could've made a play for Colin Fraser or Burish for the 4th line center role. They could sign Eric Nystrom. Add in Pinizotto and AGordon and that bottom 6 overhaul is almost complete. Like ABlake said, any of our 6 bottom liners on their own isn't a total joke (except for Chimera). But you put them all together and they just don't measure up as a group.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

you could bring in Madden and Nolan to play the 3rd line wiith Fehr. That would be a solid trio in my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 4:37 PM | Report abuse

I don't know how much Madden has left. He's approaching Fedorov territory.

And on our checking lines he won't be as effective as he was playing with burly tenacious wingers in Chicago. I'd rather the Caps just start rebuilding those bottom 2 lines with some youth, energy, size, tenacity.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo the Caps made a trade, lol. Got DJ King from the Blues....yawn. Enjoy Hershey DJ.

Posted by: ThePat | July 28, 2010 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Problem with Nolan is, he could barely finish checks last yr. The only players on the Wild with a worse game to hit ratio than Nolan were guys named Havlat, Koivu and Belanger.

I don't think the Caps are a legit contender to where they can add a Madden or Nolan to their existing lineup and have it make much difference. We need younger guys with more left in the tank.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:43 PM | Report abuse

If nothing is done I still think another option is to move Fehr up to the 2nd line(with Semin moving to LW) and Laich back to the 3rd line.

Then having Laich play with Steckel and Bradley. That line was wonderful in the '09 playoffs and played very well defensively. This would be contingent on Steckel stepping up his play from last year.

But with the step up in play by Fehr there is really no need for Laich to remain on the 2nd line.

Assuming no new acquistions, that would mean Flash would be 2nd line center(save that argument for another time).

It would also leave Chimera to play on the 4th line, possibly with BGordon or Beagle as center and AGordon as RW.

If BGordon is healthy a Chimera/BGordon or Beagle/AGordon 4th line could be pretty decent. If Beagle outplays BGordon then put Beagle in for BGordon.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo the Caps made a trade, lol. Got DJ King from the Blues....yawn. Enjoy Hershey DJ.
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really? interesting. The Caps haven't traded for a tough guy in a while. And King's had some major injuries the past 2 yrs to where his career as an enforcer is in serious doubt.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

From what I've read, his productivity hasn't been on any level where he could call someone a feminine hygiene product. So, no, stupidity has nothing to do with it. It's just that you've haven't put anything on here that's informative and insightful. But that's your role in life. If ever there was someone who deserved being called a feminine hygiene product, it'd be you. But you already knew that, didn't you?

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 28, 2010 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Or if they got Madden it could be

Laich/Madden/Bradley
Chimera/Steckel/A Gordon

or any combination of those players.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Isn't DJ King the sort of 13th forward you've been asking for?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"If Beagle outplays BGordon then put Beagle in for BGordon."

I don't know what Bruce considers his criteria for judging this but I don't trust him. He frequently plays guys ahead of guys when he shouldn't.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 4:57 PM | Report abuse

This is King vs. Boogaard last March. He did pretty well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2v-wptM0iHw

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Isn't DJ King the sort of 13th forward you've been asking for?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

yeah, when he was healthy. Not when his shoulder pops out and he's got pins in his hands. He's like Fedoruk is, beat up. But at least he's an "option"

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:05 PM | Report abuse

I can't help but to remember Talbot's altercation with Sean Avery earlier this year. Add this for another reason to dismiss his Ovechkin name calling and give us one reason (only) to like Sean Avery.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Video-Sean-Avery-mocks-Max-Talbot-rsquo-s-awkwa?urn=nhl-226146

Posted by: AADCDERM | July 28, 2010 5:10 PM | Report abuse

So here's the question now...

1) where does DJ play? With the Caps or with Hershey? Remains to be seen. If he's for DC, then see #2.

2) Is this evidence of McPhee being forced to admit he was wrong when he eliminated the enforcer role? I think the answer is CLEARLY YES. He was wrong at the time to make that philosophical shift, and he was wrong to bury his head in the sand in the face of mounting evidence that he was wrong. And the fact that the East has now engaged in a fullbore arms race, he has had no choice but to trade for a DJ King. Of course, McPhee hates to pay much for that type of player so he got a guy who is damaged goods which is why he probably won't have to give up more than a late round pick.

But what happened to McPhee's smugness when he announced last yr the Caps don't need a tough guy because his players don't get intimidated? That's almost a direct quote. What suddenly changed? Did he freak out that other teams got bigger and tougher in the East? Flyers, Rangers, Devils, Atlanta, Toronto? Why isn't he relying on his mantra that there's no place for tough guys in hockey anymore and that our vaunted PP is enough of a deterrent?

bah!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I guess this is what happens when someone calls Ovy a d0uche. Bring on the goonS!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

@ablake

Is DJ King the sort of guy you were looking for?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Actually that was Yzerman's mantra about goons, so maybe you should take that hate towards him now.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Even when GMGM makes a move for the exact sort of player cstanton loves and wants, cstanton will find something to rant about GMGM for.

Why can't you just say you approve of the move and move on. Is it that hard for you to say?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

and lastly, if DJ is Caps-bound, then McPhee is doing this out of nothing more than a reaction to what other teams are doing. He's not doing this out of any inherent belief that an enforcer is necessary. He's doing it because he's either suddenly scared of all the muscling up thats occuring in the East which means he'll (re)dump the enforcer role the instant he can. Or he's doing it because he got a vibe from his players and coach that perhaps he screwed up when he dumped that role. And trust me, it wasn't just the player (brashear) that he dumped, he dumped the entire role.

Some teams believe in it, some teams don't, but will have a resident tough guy as a reaction to what other teams are doing. So much for forging your own path.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Hey WaPo: how about some quotes or something from Flash on his resigning? Even "Thanks for the cash" or something.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | July 28, 2010 5:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad we have cstanton1 here to tell us why GMGM does things.

He didn't have Brashear or another enforcer for one because Brashear was signed for way too much. King will make around $550k this year. A perfect salary for a 13th forward/enforcer.

He made the move because he thought it was good for his team. Just like every other GM makes moves every offseason for what they think will benefit their teams.

The Pens GM didn't re-sign Ponikarovsky. Then that was obviously a clear admisstion of how idiotic that acquistion was. Come on. Stop with your garbage about GMGM.

You don't like him as a GM. Fine. But your incessent comments about him are annoying.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Actually that was Yzerman's mantra about goons, so maybe you should take that hate towards him now.
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i don't care about tampa, they're not my team. And I love Yzerman because he got Mike Green to get his head out of his butt and actually start to care about playing some D. But yes, Tampa is definitely shifting away from what they were under Tocchet/Lawton

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:41 PM | Report abuse

sgm, you really are clueless. You pretend that McPhee cut Brashear instead of admitting he eliminated the actual role. You don't think enforcers are available every stinkin year? You can go find a tough guy if you want. Do you think Brian Burke has any problems unearthing tough guys? Howbout the Flyers? They got Riley Cotes hiding under rocks over there.

get a clue, then discuss. Obviously your knowledge about hockey tough guys is a tad limited if you think that Brashear was our only option last yr.

Which of course doesn't explain McPhee's quotes regarding how the league has changed and the Caps don't need a tough guy anymore because our players don't get intimidated. Good one!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Even when GMGM makes a move for the exact sort of player cstanton loves and wants, cstanton will find something to rant about GMGM for.

Why can't you just say you approve of the move and move on. Is it that hard for you to say?

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:21 PM

lol, so let me get this straight. I posted numerous times last season that McPhee was wrong to eliminate that role. Now that he's admitting his mistake (silently of course because no one in DC will ever ask him about it), I'm supposed to simply ignore the fact that he made such a boneheaded decision last yr only to have to eat his words a yr later?

i don't think so buddy. If you keep ignoring basic mistakes your GM makes, you may as well just work for his PR dept. Oops, never mind.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

If you think GMGM is an idiot for that thought process than you must think Ken Holland and Steve Yzerman are also idiots because they have been quoted saying the SAME THINGS.

Get a clue you hippocrite.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Then what about Ponikarovsky? Why aren't you lambasting Ray Shero for not coming out and saying he made a mistake?

He just silently did that by not re-signing him. But that isn't good enough.

Off with his head!

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

Caps acquire tough guy D.J. King from St. Louis
The Caps added some toughness to their lineup this afternoon, acquiring rugged right wing D.J. King from St. Louis in exchange for a prospect reported to be Stefan Della Rovere.

Posted by: joek443 | July 28, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

I'd like to hear McPhee just once, admit he effed up. That would make me happy.

"We were wrong not to find a replacement for Brashear's role last season. It not only led to some of our players receiving more cheap shots, it led to a general drop in intensity. I am making this move for DJ King because I was wrong to think I had it all figured out and that I could reinvent the wheel. I will stop pointing to Detroit as the model to explain each of my questionable decisions. And I will promise to be more humble in the future because in reality I do not understand some of the basic nuances of this game. In the future I will attempt to imitate some of the other GMs who do certain things wayy better than I do. I realize the local media and fans don't understand many of the nuances either and that is what allows me to make mindnumblingly stupid decisions time and time again without any accountability but I will not continue to rely on nor take advantage of that ignorance and laissez-faire attitude. Public accountability for my position equals transparency in management and that is what I will strive for from this point onwards"

now why the eff can't he say that?!?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Then what about Ponikarovsky? Why aren't you lambasting Ray Shero for not coming out and saying he made a mistake?

He just silently did that by not re-signing him. But that isn't good enough.

Off with his head!

Posted by: sgm

here it is you dope

One is a philosophical mistake. The other is not. Which do you think is more damaging in the longterm? A GM who doesn't have the right type of vision or a GM who makes a trade for a player who he doesn't end up re-signing? Shero has already proven his worth as a GM. All his personnel moves don't have to be infallible for him to escape constant scrutiny. McPhee has not earned that right. I hope I explained that clearly enough. I should send you a bill for my aching fingers.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Why does there have to be transparency? It's a company not the government. If you don't like what they're selling, don't buy it. If sales go down(which corresponds with winning and losing in sports) the company will change management.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 28, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

The Caps added some toughness to their lineup this afternoon, acquiring rugged right wing D.J. King from St. Louis in exchange for a prospect reported to be Stefan Della Rovere.

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ROFL ! We gave up SDR for DJ King?

hahaha

if true, explain that move sgm. Please. We gave up our only true agitating/fighting/checking prospect for a guy whose main attribute is fighting, and he's already suffered 2 major injuries the past 2 seasons. Why not go and get a tough guy for free!! There's a dozen or more AHL tough guys who are equivalent to DJ King. Even when healthy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:02 PM | Report abuse

Betting on DJ King to be your longterm enforcer is no better than 50-50. The type of injuries he's had is why guys like Simon and Peat couldn't do it anymore. And to give up anything more than a 6th or 7th round pick for King is a total waste. He could've been had for FREEEEEE a couple yrs ago. He was available to any team who wanted him.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

just an FYI but DJ King is an RFA, made 500k last year... played 12 games, lost 40+ games to a broken hand in the 1st game fo the season.

and there's no guarentee he's for the Caps... probably make it through waivers to Hershey due to his injury and low status.

Probably for hershey since they are losing Perreault (Caps), maybe A.Gordon (Caps), Giroux (UFA to Edm), Bourque (to KHL)...

what's all the fuss about?

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 28, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

so the Blues lose Ian Schultz in the Halak trade and replenish that type of resource by trading a player who really didn't have a future with them. I'd be pretty happy that I got a team to give me their top agitating prospect for a potentially-hasbeen enforcer.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

what's all the fuss about?--

well, initially the fuss was about McPhee having to rethink (once again) a recent bad decision. Now the fuss is the fact we gave up SDR. A potentially valuable 3rd line checking winger/agitator/fighter with leadership skills. Something we are completely bereft of in our system.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

John Davidson: "Hey George, wake up. I heard your only big moves of the offseason was signing Gordo and Flash. I have a trade for you. I'd like to trade our 4th line gritty and injured prospect for your younger 3rd line healthy prospect. Interested?

McPhee: man that sounds like one good deal! Even better than my trade last yr where I dumped one decent dman and a power forward prospect for Corvo.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

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