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Caps renew affiliation with Stingrays

The Capitals have extended their affiliation with the ECHL's South Carolina Stingrays for the upcoming 2010-11 season.

This will be the seventh year of the teams' agreement. Goaltenders Braden Holtby and Michal Neuvirth spent time with the Stingrays over the past two seasons, and are two of 10 players currently under contract with the organization that have played in South Carolina.

You can check out the full release here.

By Katie Carrera  |  August 3, 2010; 11:05 AM ET
 | Tags: South Carolina Stingrays, Washington Capitals  
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Comments

from previous thread...

yeah don't watch the office so i don't know this dwight character

Posted by: _stevo | August 3, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

"We never had any intention of moving this player. Why would we move a young skilled guy who is capable of being a 25 goal scorer just to satisfy the hateraders? Remember every move we make or don't make is by design. I have never failed."


Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 11:12 AM

Fun-E

Its when you make comments like this that you are at your best.

You are so unappreciated in your time dude!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 12:47 PM

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Solid move. It's really important for the organization's development to keep our younger guys playing at an appropriate level.

As an aside, am I the only one who gets really annoyed at the "from previous thread" posts? Why not just post in the thread you're replying to so that every single comment section doesn't end up exactly the same?

Posted by: leacha | August 3, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Ah man we'll never win a Cup while we're associated with the Stingray's! Fire GMGM and Ted!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 3, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

great move. Love the Stingrays affiliation and the type of hockey they preach over there.


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yeah don't watch the office so i don't know this dwight character

Posted by: _stevo | August 3, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

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i don't know if that type of humor is for everyone but it works for me. I never saw the British vers and allegedly its even better.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

As an aside, am I the only one who gets really annoyed at the "from previous thread" posts?
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ordinarily i'd agree with you but since I love compliments I have to support my good buddy Fehr on this one.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

While I agree with cstanton1 a decent amount of the time, I am tired of the dark picture he paints. But I am also tired of sgm3 and the way he presents his points as cstanton points out. I think you both need to go to message board rehab.

The team is not as in bad of shape as cstanton points out and its not in great shape like sgm tries to say. Its somewhere in the middle. This team as currently constituted is not a Cup contender but will make the playoffs. If everyone realizes that, there would be a lot more meaningful dialogue taking place.

Posted by: ThePat | August 3, 2010 1:09 PM | Report abuse

no no , i got a great mortgage situation goin on so that can't be it. Divorce ain't in the cards so thats not it. Nope, I think its just the Caps mgmt and a coupla little sh__s that have me all worked up.

Posted by: cstanton1

----

wow, might wanna center your chi or something dude if just a couple of "little sh__s" get you that worked up.

and I was referring my sucky situation which i'm trying to improve upon, LOL

either way, here's hoping W.Mitchell is healthy and the Caps cn get him signed!

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 3, 2010 1:10 PM | Report abuse

sorry to hear that Frank. I consider myself extremely lucky not to be in that situation. Hope it works out. Mortgages can always be worked out. The other situation sounds a lot darker.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

"The team is not as in bad of shape as cstanton points out"

i hope no one thinks that I think the Caps will end up 8 and 72 this yr. But being stuck with a GM that doesn't really understand some of the keys to taking an org to the highest level is akin to being in "bad shape" because there's no way out of this barring a regime change. At least to me. And none of those keys I'm vaguely referring to have really been addressed since he took over. So therefore I don't expect them to be addressed in the future either. Leopards keep their spots, tigers keep their stripes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:19 PM | Report abuse

meh, in foreclosure now, the loss mitigation package should help clear everything up since Banks don't want houses (generally speaking)...

happy the divorce is going through... :-) so that's the good situation... of course, it contributed to the TH situation... LOL (cries)

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 3, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

damn dude. Hopefully better times are round the corner. You gotta have a dream of some kind and stick to it, makes the dark days palatable. And the food they serve in here sucks too. Thank god for the internet.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:23 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat:
it all depends on your school of thought...

if you like hardnosed, physical, checking with skill then you probably won't like the caps

if you like lots of skill that, as of the last 3 post-seasons, has yet to fulfill on the reg season promises, then you will love the caps...

either way, if the caps win the cup this year, people in the first category will be happy, because it's a cup...

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 3, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

"And the food they serve in here sucks too. Thank god for the internet."

@cstanton:

??? are you in prison?

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 3, 2010 1:25 PM | Report abuse

no no, its a reconditioning facility run by TL to transform the biggest haters into purveyors of the 'message'

I'm not one of the better students but I'm trying really hard and you get to leave here once in a while to clean up mice droppings at Verizon.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@Frank

I agree, and the teams that tend to win the cups are the ones that have the perfect balance of the skill and the hardworking, hard checking grit. Thats why I said they are a playoff team but not a true cup contender bc they are not a complete team. I hope they prove me wrong but I really just dont see it happening with this current group.

Posted by: ThePat | August 3, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

it really comes to down to what an individual GM sees as being "balanced".

McPhee's idea of balance is not the same as some of the other GMs out there. And granted, some of the GMs have swung too far the other way. McPhee swung one way as a player and the other way as a GM. You can say in essence that he's swung both ways.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:40 PM | Report abuse

no no, its a reconditioning facility run by TL to transform the biggest haters into purveyors of the 'message'

I'm not one of the better students but I'm trying really hard and you get to leave here once in a while to clean up mice droppings at Verizon.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:33 PM

ladies and gentlemen his is here every night this week....regrettably for some.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton:

you'd think TL would pull you out more to get the mouse turds taken care of... but I guess that shows his commitment to rehabilitating you that he leaves you inside to hear the message... good for him!

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 3, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

I'll say this, the two series (12 episodes) and one special of The Office (UK) is the best comedy show ever written. I was living in England when it was broadcast and the U.S. version, though funny enough, isn't on the same par in my book

Posted by: saintex | August 3, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

considering their current plan is to hold onto Flash, I'm questioning their commitment to get rid of mouse turds.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

The team is not as in bad of shape as cstanton points out and its not in great shape like sgm tries to say. Its somewhere in the middle. This team as currently constituted is not a Cup contender but will make the playoffs. If everyone realizes that, there would be a lot more meaningful dialogue taking place.


Posted by: ThePat

You are right. I just don't understand the reason McPhee does not try and put them over the top. Lack of killer instinct.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 3, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

his = he

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

@saintex

you're almost convincing me to go rent those episodes. My brother's a big fan and has been trying to get me to watch it for a while. I just can't imagine its better than the American vers.

ftr, the best series i recently watched was "Rome". So damn good. Too bad the set burned down and the show got canned. That was someone's labor of love. "Rome" and the Sopranos were two pretty damn incredible series.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

http://capitals.nhl.tv/team/console.jsp?catid=810&id=74323
interview with DJ King

for fun watch it, and count how many times he sayd "for sure"

doesn't come across as a particularly bright fellow... maybe it's just his interview skills but... hmmm

Posted by: FrankM73 | August 3, 2010 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Looks like DJ King will be adding another Atlanta Thrasher to his new East Conf resume.

Thrash has acquired Donald Brashear from the Rangers.

So....buffy, eager, thorburn, boulton, cormier, and now brashear.

somewhere the ghost of john kordic just got a chubby

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

the thrashers are planning to buyout brash and waive him....he'll never play a game for them

Posted by: _stevo | August 3, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Incidentally,

I only copy from a previous thread if:

a) Im using the comment as a reference to make a point

b) A new thread is created before I posted in the old thread

c) (the rarest of the three) There is something thats important to me that I want to post as many times as I freakin feel like it because I dont give a frogs fat a$$ what anybody thinks about it.

Otherwise, I dont much like the copying from previous threads either.

:)

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

"Too bad the set burned down and the show got canned. "

Dude I never knew that, I loved that show.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

that would make more sense, he's pretty useless and no team (even one that I would run) needs to carry that much muscle.

I think the Rangers are planning on promoting Dane Byers to their 4th line this yr along with of course Boogey, so losing Brashear (and earlier Voros) frees them up to do that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

HBO pumps out some compelling shows in general

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

"Too bad the set burned down and the show got canned. "

Dude I never knew that, I loved that show.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

yeah, i got a buddy in RI who is in film and he worked with some of the initial set designers for that show. He turned me onto that show and gave me the full rundown on what happened. Apparently HBO got like a million emails or something from fans begging them to pay for the set rebuild (cost was like half a billion) and HBO bailed on it.

Titus Pullo!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

prevailing wisdom says thrash buyout Brash

Posted by: jeets | August 3, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

rumor mill:

"Teams who won't rule out Niemi include: Ny Islanders, Philadelphia, and San Jose...also hearing Washington, Edmonton and LA as possible destinations. "

Posted by: doughless | August 3, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

i don't have hbo but did discover via dvd shows like Curb Your Enthusiasm, Rome, and the Sopranos. There was another show that everyone seemed to like, either on Showtime or HBO called 6 feet Under. I watched a bit of it and thought it sucked. The guy who made the Sopranos also made Northern Exposure, another great show.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:07 PM | Report abuse

F'ing shame.

Riveting show.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 2:11 PM | Report abuse

You are right. I just don't understand the reason McPhee does not try and put them over the top. Lack of killer instinct.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 3, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

he doesn't know any better. He's not intentionally being a hoser. Like other professionals before and after him, he understands certain things very well and lacks understanding in other critical areas. And he's made improvements in areas such as drafting (the Caps have gone thru 2 major overhauls so far in their scouting dept). His pro scouts however still leave a lot to be desired.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

the best HBO show by far is Eastbound and Down

Posted by: _stevo | August 3, 2010 2:12 PM | Report abuse

agreed

my favorite moment was Titus in the gladiatorial ring and then Vorenus coming in there to help him out. Quite a show of brotherly love. Reminded me of the Caps.


in 1989.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I have HBO and loved

the Wire
the Sopranos
even John Adams was good

older shows too like

the Hitchiker
Dream on
1st & ten
Tales from the crypt

All had their moments.

Showtimes good too with

Dexter
nurse jackie
weeds
tudors

I dont even watch much network programming.

End of love fest

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

speaking of gladiators, boy we sure could use a strong stay at home defenseman....

Posted by: Chewbacca22 | August 3, 2010 2:17 PM | Report abuse

agreed

my favorite moment was Titus in the gladiatorial ring and then Vorenus coming in there to help him out. Quite a show of brotherly love. Reminded me of the Caps.


in 1989.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:14 PM

lol, that was good, Pullo was a grown man

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

yeah The Wire, never watched it but heard lots of great things about it. Actually I did watch a few mins of it once and it looked slow paced but that could have been because I didn't really know what was going on. It seems like a show you have to invest some time into.
And between teaching SGM and cleaning up rodent droppings my time is fairly limited.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

i hope no one thinks that I think the Caps will end up 8 and 72 this yr.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 1:19 PM

Personally I think there is no way we finish 8 and 72. For one, we got a solid squad that is at the cusp of being a Cup favorite. Secondly unless GMGM figured out a way to only play 80 games a season, pretty sure we have to play the full 82 games in a season and isnt negotiable. Pssh, math.

:)

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 3, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

well there you go, if that doesn't prove i'm stuck in 80s hockey.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Verizon on its worst mouse dropping days doesn't compare with the old stadiums. Growing up in the early '70s and going to games at Chicago Stadium were awesome. You feet would stick to the floor because there was so much Schlitz and Hamms beer spilled all over the place. No one cared either. The food was good too. The more greasy the fries the better. Sure am glad I didn't know what was rummaging through my food before I had a chance to eat it.

Hopefully Ted will bring better food options to Verizon. Even if it was the cleanest stadium in the league, the food still sucks.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 3, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

Best series/shows for me:

The Wire
The Office (UK)
Deadwood
Foyle's War

and my guilty pleasure, Rescue Me.

Oh, the Caps should get a #1 defenseman somewhere. Tryingn to keep on task...

Posted by: saintex | August 3, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Boy IDK, sounds to me like people here think we won't even make the playoffs this yr much less contend for a Cup. I wonder how people in Calgary and Edmonton feel about our team.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 3, 2010 3:20 PM | Report abuse

Keep up the good posts, Katie. I'm impressed you're getting this much in during such a dead part of the year (hockey-wise).

Probably already been asked, but when is Tarik's mug coming off the banner at the top of the blog? It's your blog now! :-)

Posted by: BigRed8 | August 3, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

Anyone think of the movie "Office Space" every time someone mentions Tarik's photo coming down?

Peter.....what's happening? We need to talk about your TPS reports.

Katie, do you have 8 different bosses?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 3, 2010 3:25 PM | Report abuse

I'll pipe in...."Treme" this last season on HBO was great - post-katrina New Orleans...great music...made me go out and buy a Kermit Ruffins (live) cd

Posted by: jeets | August 3, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Katie,

How do the Pens ECHL Team compare to the Stingrays?

Posted by: darrylrbaker | August 3, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Count me in as 1 that is very surprised nobody picked up Tim Kennedy today.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 3, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

As I work on the docks of B'more, I'm partial to season 2 of The Wire. Makes me chuckle how art doesn't imitate life.

Posted by: Steve_R | August 3, 2010 4:39 PM | Report abuse

kennedy is a no brainer. He does everything right for a young kid. Hustles, can play any role. He reminds me of Scottie Upshall at the same age.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 4:47 PM | Report abuse

heard a funny store about the Wire. The producers/director were getting some heat from the city of Baltimore and the mayor was threatening to pull their filming permits if they didn't portray Baltimore in a better light. So the Wire folks told the mayor they were just going to move the show to Philly and still pretend the show was being filmed in Baltimore. That way Baltimore would end up losing the revenue from the filming permits and still get portrayed negatively (realistically). I guess the mayor saw it their way finally.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

heard a funny store about the Wire. The producers/director were getting some heat from the city of Baltimore and the mayor was threatening to pull their filming permits if they didn't portray Baltimore in a better light. So the Wire folks told the mayor they were just going to move the show to Philly and still pretend the show was being filmed in Baltimore. That way Baltimore would end up losing the revenue from the filming permits and still get portrayed negatively (realistically). I guess the mayor saw it their way finally.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Was that Mayor George McPhee?

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | August 3, 2010 5:12 PM | Report abuse

doubt it. Mayor McPhee would've just played hardball, held out for a better deal, and then blamed everything on cap issues.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Mine:

Rome "I am a son of HADES!"
True Blood "Soookie!!!"
Band of Brothers/The Pacific--(the mother and father of all war epics...)
Deadwood "Do I &%^$#^ have to $^&#%@ do ^%&#$)*& every^Y%)&(%#%thing my#$@#!%&#self?"
John Adams
Dexter

The one thing that sucked about Rome was that it ended...

Posted by: Rhino40 | August 3, 2010 5:27 PM | Report abuse

nice to see so many fellow Romans in here.

Remember that chickadee Niobe? I didn't realize she was in Kama Sutra. hot diggity

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

She was schweet, but IMO the barkeep that Pullo hooked up with in season 2 (Gaia) was most hawt.

Posted by: Rhino40 | August 3, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

lol, that chick was nuts! N U T Z!

but definitely someone you want in your corner. She was your typical crease-clearing voluptous wench. Sassy, curvy, chesty

Niobe was more delicate. More wife material than Gaia. Gaia's the type who'd crack you over the head with a bottle if you stumbled in at 4 am.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

True that

Posted by: Rhino40 | August 3, 2010 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Looks like Olie Kolzig will be at the Caps Convention in October. Peter Bondra, Rod Langway, Dennis Maruk and Ryan Walter will be there as well.

Posted by: MReilly9 | August 3, 2010 6:25 PM | Report abuse

I figured Walter would come to that. It'll get the bad taste out of his mouth considering he just got fired as asst coach in Vanc.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I always thought my resume was good. Until I saw this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiO4lNJiEAw&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 3, 2010 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I remembered that chick from Kama Sutra VIVIDLY, the moment I saw her.

She was delectable.

Actually I cant think of a chick in Rome that I would not entertain.

No...I mean like living there currently...

:)

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | August 3, 2010 6:36 PM | Report abuse

@slurpeesarecool

I didn't write the article. Take up any disagreements with the Red Wings writer who wrote it.

I love how people get angry when you forward them articles. That somehow getting more information and different viewpoints is a bad thing. Then their responses are always "no, it is the way I say it is and I will back my opinion with nothing except repeating it over and over again"
by sgm3.

Actually, I didn't disagree with the article one bit in principle, but who's to say that goal-scorers can't play defense? Zetterberg has the smarts to neutralize Crosby and Datsyuk isn't afraid to throw his weight around. It's lovely to have three scoring lines, but at least one of these lines also needs to be excellent on the back end as well.

Posted by: slurpeesarecool | August 3, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

someone had asked what shamo got - $4.15M for 2 years. cap hit of $2.075M

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | August 3, 2010 6:56 PM | Report abuse

@rhino,

I forgot Band of Brothers. It makes sense, though, since that mini-series may have been beyond reproach in my mind. I've watch it all the way through twice and I'm still amazed. Legends, one and all of those guys...

I have a single for the Winter Classic that I can buy but my three years as a season ticket holder only rated row L in 522. Not sure how the jacks in Pittsburgh figured out ticketing but it's a dang football stadium. If every Caps' and Pens' STH got like seats in the lower areas that's all of, what, 35,000 in a stadium that holds 65K+? I know there are honchos and TV and morons that get low but the seats in the best locales should go to holders first. Anyway, that single in the nosebleeds is $129 plus $20 for the pleasure of buying it..$149. I thought of going but won't make it so if anyone on the board wants to buy that one from me at cost, it's yours. You can email me at gotodd_99@yahoo.com (my junk e-mail...not you, the account). Let me know before August 23rd since that's the drop dead date for us.

Posted by: saintex | August 3, 2010 7:06 PM | Report abuse

@saintex

I also have just one ticket for the Winter Classic and am in Section 118, Row U. You may have the better seat as you will be up and able to see everything.

Posted by: MReilly9 | August 3, 2010 7:48 PM | Report abuse

Speaking of old shows in Baltimore, "Homicide" was terrific.

cstanton1: if you do rent the UK version of the Office, put the subtitles on because the accents are difficult to understand. Seriously. Very worthwhile to see Ricky Gervais in that role, though.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | August 3, 2010 7:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm with GMGM on this. I don't think I would've reupped ShaMo for $2M per either.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 3, 2010 8:59 PM | Report abuse

LOL so basically they decided that ShaMo didn't deserve to make the same money as last year but Flash deserved a big raise.

there's nothing more typical for this team than choosing offense over defense and this is just the latest example of it.

Posted by: joek443 | August 3, 2010 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Well, with Alzner and Carlson there's more at D than offense. That's just the market right now in the organization. Flash, for now, will fit in somewhere. I still suspect we'll see one more big move before the season starts...

Posted by: saintex | August 3, 2010 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Also, I would have been on the horn with the 'Hawks at the Niemi arbitration and pushed a young goalie plus one for Sharp and Niemi to clear their space. How nice to have Sharp in the lineup.

Posted by: saintex | August 3, 2010 9:47 PM | Report abuse

I think Shamo got signed for 2 years at $2m total.

Also, I know some are gonna freak out when you read this, but it makes sense to be talking to Forsberg at this point. What we need is a veteran presence on this team. More than what we have anyway.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 3, 2010 10:49 PM | Report abuse

In the appropriate fit last name department:

Just for fun, I did some research on what the last name "Talbot" means. A couple of meanings I found.

1) Derived from "tal", meaning to destroy, with "bod", the meaning of "tidings", and hence the "messenger of destruction",

2) Derived from old French "talebot" meaning lampblack in the Norman French dialect. A nickname for bandits who blackened their faces to avoid recognition.

I got a kick out of reading those definitions especially after L'Affair Talbot.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 3, 2010 11:36 PM | Report abuse

U2, I'm all for Foppa at 2C. We don't need him for 82 games during the regular season we need him for the playoffs. So if he can come in here and give us 50-60 games and the playoffs that's better than anything we've got right now. Plus he'd mentor MJ and MP which would only benefit them in the long run. I thought we'd make a run at him last yr but he just wasn't able to go.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 3, 2010 11:50 PM | Report abuse

I will admit though, I am both a Favre and Foppa fan but their endless stories of returning and retiring do get a bit old.

Favre says he's retiring today, next week he'll be in camp. Foppa says today he wants to play for a contender and next wk his foot will put him out..............

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 3, 2010 11:52 PM | Report abuse

From previous thread:

@rsl13:
"I think Halak won the series, as is evidenced to me by the shots on goal in those three losses:

38-28 for Caps in Game 5.
54-22 for Caps in Game 6.
42-16 for Caps in game 7..."

That's the problem with doing evaluations based on statistics, they're often misleading. There are shots on goal and there are quality scoring chances. Yeah the Caps had a bunch of shots on goal, but many of them were from the perimeter with no traffic in front of the net. Shots that most NHL playoff goalies should stop. Having said that their goalie did play well and made some big tough saves. However what was just as effective in shutting down the Caps was the Habs team defense. A lesson that the Caps and Caps fans should learn from. The Caps need a shutdown defenseman, to improve their team defense and penalty kill, and not have their PP disappear.


@dccitizen1:
"...And I always thought it was an insult to call someone a nimrod!..."

It is an insult. In this case the context indicated that the slang term was meant. In slang nimrod means idiot, stupid person, etc.


@cstanton1:
"you don't like Palin? whats not to like about a woman..."

Don't knock a hockey mom on a hockey blog!

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | August 4, 2010 9:26 AM | Report abuse

ESPN's Scott Burnside on the Caps and Southeast Divison this upcoming season.

http://espn.go.com/nhl/blog/_/name/nhl/id/5434125/cup-sight-caps#comments

Posted by: MReilly9 | August 4, 2010 9:59 AM | Report abuse

So, Boston says it's fine with making no major changes to their team after their playoff exit. Their GM, Chiarelli, must be a complete moron.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | August 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

@theDoubleAlex

Chiarelli traded for Nathan Horton...that to me is a big change. And they also add Seguin to the fold who is going to be a very good player. So their weakness was offense and they improved it a lot with just two players in my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

@ThePat -

I was just kidding. I saw the big article on NHL.com, and thought it was funny because of how many people are so pissed off at GMGM for not making major changes to the Caps. Both teams have made the playoffs the past 3 years; both teams have won the presidents' trophy during that time; both teams blew big leads in their series this past season; and both teams are only making minor changes. It could mean that both GMGM and Chiarelli are morons, or it could mean that people really need to give GMGM a break. I vote for the latter.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | August 4, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

So, Boston says it's fine with making no major changes to their team after their playoff exit. Their GM, Chiarelli, must be a complete moron.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | August 4, 2010 10:43 AM | Report abuse

He's not the moron.

Did you miss these facts?

- traded Horton for Wideman (not exactly a minor deal). They also picked up a quality grinder in Greg Campbell.
- drafted and signed Seguin thx to the Kessel deal. And I think they have 1 more 1st and 2nd pick next season as a result also.
- named Cam Neely president

oh yeah, and they also advanced a round higher than they did the previous year. Pretty good sign of progress. However, there was no excuse for blowing a 3-zip lead either.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 11:19 AM | Report abuse

I was just kidding. I saw the big article on NHL.com, and thought it was funny because of how many people are so pissed off at GMGM for not making major changes to the Caps. Both teams have made the playoffs the past 3 years; both teams have won the presidents' trophy during that time; both teams blew big leads in their series this past season; and both teams are only making minor changes. It could mean that both GMGM and Chiarelli are morons, or it could mean that people really need to give GMGM a break. I vote for the latter.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex

Boston has made major changes. Horton is a top line winger for them. Sequin is a future Yzerman type player. The comparison makes no sense.

McPhee is still a moron. His team blows big leads, two years in a row mind you, and he decides the team needs to get younger.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 4, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

nm, i guess they did beat Montreal the prev yr.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

@theDoubleAlex

I'd say Boston's changes this year aren't really minor. They needed offense and got it.

Does GMGM deserve a break? For his whole career, drafting and managing the cap sure, but for this offseason so far I believe people can roast him all they want. This team that has enough talent to be a Cup contender, GMGM won't go out and get the pieces needed and we have salary cap space. So to me there is no excuse for that.

John Erskine or Tyler Sloan is going to be in the lineup every night for us and we have no 2C. As fans we should all be pissed at that. Just my opinion.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@ThePat

You hit the nail on the head. McPhee has failed the team and fans this offseason.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 4, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

U2, I'm all for Foppa at 2C. We don't need him for 82 games during the regular season we need him for the playoffs. So if he can come in here and give us 50-60 games and the playoffs that's better than anything we've got right now.
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Great points, I couldn't agree more. The regular season is clearly not the problem; and none other than Great One said he's never seen a better big-game player, just take a look at his playoff PPG, they shoot up dramatically. And Superjoe fans aside - of which I am one - Foppa invariably drew the other team's #1 pair, not JS. Or listen to Pronger [whom I hate] talk about him. I don't know of another superstar other than Ovie and Mess who played tougher - and this may actually be the biggest draw, by necessity they couldn't just focus on their most physical guys on #8, who's getting abused right now. Questions about Semin's [and maybe even Flash's] playoff performances would be a thing of the past - just look at Tanguay, Hejduk's etc. production [especially playoffs] with and without Peter the Great beside 'em.

Hell I don't even think you'd need him for 50 reg season games, the guy missed the entire reg one year, came back for the playoffs and led all playoff scoring - despite Col getting knocked out before the finals. He can still play, he got just shy of an APG last year in the SEL, a damn good league, and over a PPG.

But GMGM would have to think out of the box to do this. That and beat Holmgren, who loves Foppa, to the punch.

Posted by: govtimbo | August 4, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

Can someone explain to me how the nickname Foppa came to be? Some thing/translation in Swedish I assume?

Regardless...too close to foopa for me.

"Nice, you want us to call you nice? No not nice...Knife...man forget, just call me bobby" :)

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

He's not the moron.

Did you miss these facts?

- traded Horton for Wideman (not exactly a minor deal). They also picked up a quality grinder in Greg Campbell.
- drafted and signed Seguin thx to the Kessel deal. And I think they have 1 more 1st and 2nd pick next season as a result also.
- named Cam Neely president
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Um, you just bashed GMGM for trading SDR for DJ King and stated if he drafted for that position he wouldn't have to give up a prospect for it. The Bruins wouldn't need to trade Wideman etc if he didn't trade away his leading goal scorer in Kessel and went from one of the highest scoring teams in the league to one of the lowest. So GMGM did bad and Boston did good? Lets see we just traded like player for like player but got back in return somebody already in the NHL and Boston trades Kessell and gets a draft pick in return and needs to trade their best scoring Dman for another scoring winger.

Yep you're right on target there aren't ya?

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

we are referring to comments made by TheDoubleAlex about this offseason. Not what led up to it. Yes the Bruins traded Kessel but they got Seguin and other picks yet to be made for him. Adding Seguin and Horton are definitely more major moves than adding a minor move and in my opinion an injured minor leaguer(13th or 14th F) in King.

King is our "NHL Ready" offseason move, while Horton, Sequin and Campbell were Bostons. This offseason Chiarelli outperformed McPhee and its not close. Last season by adding Knuble our offseason was better. But again we are strictly talking this offseason.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Adding Seguin to the Bruins roster is similar to adding Carlson, Alzner, Neuvy, and possible MJ and/or MP to the Caps roster as all were drafted by their respected organization and brought up when ready to enter the NHL.

IMO Carlson has a much better chance of winning rookie of the year this year than Seguin. If true, Carlson will be a much more significant addition than Seguin for the 2010-2011 season.

Then when you throw in the addition of Alzner, Neuvy and possibly MJ or MP GMGM's additions from within the organization far outweigh the Bruins addition of Seguin.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

The Pat - I understand that and yes I agree that Boston has done things to improve their team. Yes I agree that they are more than "minor" moves as well. My point was more in that GMGM got critisized here for the recent trade and lack of additions. Boston wouldn't have had to do what they did had they not traded away their leading scorer etc.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Plus it's August, this isn't where teams win championships. Even if GMGM didn't make any moves (which I bet he still does before the season starts) we would have more than enough cap space etc to make moves during the season up to the deadline. We don't need help in the regular season. I think we can all agree on that. So what's wrong with seeing what you got in the younger players and making moves after you see what you really have? There are always surprises and disappointments.

Now all that being said, if we win our division and don't get passed the 2nd round of the playoffs and GMGM did nothing at the deadline or during the season then I think there is more than enough room for critisizm, maybe even his job.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

lol, talk about narrowing your scope to fit your argument.

"far outweigh the additions of Boston" huh?
According to who exactly? Neither MP nor MaJo may end up making any real contributions this year. Bodies don't equal production. We can name 6 or 7 Caps prospects who could crack the roster, it doesn't make them automatic contributors. If Boston had 7 prospects we could name off that could crack their roster does that make Chiarelli's offseason more productive? Beyond ludicrous argument.

If you want to talk about Seguin v the slew of hopefuls you mentioned, then talk about Boychuk, who like Carlson got NHL exposure last yr as a rookie. I don't know if he got re-signed yet but he's likely to be in the fold. They brought back Seidenberg, a heckuva better option than it was for us to re-sign Corvo. So when they gave up prospects for Seidenberg, they're actually able to get more mileage out of him than just a few weeks of play.

"King is our "NHL Ready" offseason move, while Horton, Sequin and Campbell were Bostons. This offseason Chiarelli outperformed McPhee and its not close"

yep.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:21 PM | Report abuse

My point was more in that GMGM got critisized here for the recent trade and lack of additions. Boston wouldn't have had to do what they did had they not traded away their leading scorer etc.
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he got criticized mostly by me than anyone else simply because he got caught with his pants down, had zero depth at an easy position to backfill, and had to trade away a player like SDR who is a rare commodity in our system.

I won't defend the Kessel trade because there are too many unknowns. But after the Bs made a financial commitment to players like Chara, it would cost too much to hold onto Kessel who rejected their contract proposal. I think he makes over 5 mil per season right now and they were offering 4 mil. At least they got 2 1sts and a 2nd out of it.

Similarly to when the Flyers dealt Upshall. Salary move and they definitely had to take back a lesser player in some regards when they got back Carcillo. But now Carcillo is proving to be more than just a part time 4th liner and when you give up salary in a trade, you end up getting back lesser value. For the Flyers to even up that trade, Carcillo has to prove that he can be gritty and still score 20+ goals a season. Not at all out of the realm of possibility.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

This offseason Chiarelli outperformed McPhee and its not close

Anyone consider that Boston HAD to make moves, there was no choice. Another example of crappy cap management.

Posted by: Steve_R | August 4, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

I understand and agree with you on the bigger picture

@sgm

come on buddy be serious for a second. Carlson was here for a quarter of last season almost and the post season. He does not count as an addition. Alzner a top 5 pick who has taken 3 years to be NHL ready. And Neuvy a backup goalie. Not even going into MP or MaJo.

Seguin is going to be on the B's from day 1. By the end of the season he will be getting to 6 minutes and PP time. Plain and simply put it this way, if we had Seguin he'd be our 2C and no one would be complaining for a second about going into the season with him.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Plus it's August, this isn't where teams win championships. Even if GMGM didn't make any moves (which I bet he still does before the season starts) we would have more than enough cap space etc to make moves during the season up to the deadline.
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of course there's plenty of time. Even if they wait till 30 games into the season, that's enough time to make the right moves and get the right chemistry going. But, McPhee's track record of picking up great players via trade/FA is highly questionable. We don't need any more Corvos, Chimeras, Belangers, Pothiers, Poti's. This team needs a different element, something that stirs the pot a little more. More intensity leader types. We have that calm, collected element in abundance. Will McPhee make the right 2 or 3 moves to upgrade the team? That's whats in question here. And when the offseason is flying by without him upgrading the D with a strong veteran, with him penciling in a Flash for 2nd line center, its just more of the same ole same ole. It doesn't exactly inspire faith that he knows what he's doing. FTR, I'm glad that DJK is on the Caps. Just really disagreed with how we had to go about getting him and how McPhee can change his philosophy on a dime with no accountability, and of course DJK's potential health.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

@SteveR

They had to make moves yeah sure. And they are only under the cap only do to Sturm going on LTIR list. Crappy cap management or whatever you want to call it absolutely. However they had a need for offense and got it this offseason.

We have money and have needs and arent spending money or trading assets to acquire the needed pieces. Confused.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

SDR has not proven he can compete at the AHL level. How in the heck can his name continually be thrown around as "rare commodity in our system." THAT is using an narrowing one's scope to fit an argument. SDR is a prospect yes, but down pretty far on the charts. I cannot remember where he was ranked in the Caps system by hockeysfuture.com but it was not in the top 10. He's ranked 11th by the experts in St. Louis now too. He's a long shot. A step back in juniors last year, a step back in the developmental camp this year, and not nearly as much of an impact on the Canadian Junior team at the World Championships this year. He saw much less time this year in that tournament and took undisciplined penalties.

As discussed during the time the trade went down. Of course McPhee didn't say anything bad about SDR, because he can't say the Caps lost confidence in SDR's future because you make St. Louis look stupid for making the deal. If King gets hurt his whooping salary in buried in LTIR money. SDR was not going to play for the Caps this year. King will at least have his role. If it doesn't pan out, big deal. Some may think SDR will crack the bigs on a regular basis, IMO, again, IMO, he will be a tweener at best, replacing the regular NHL pest when injured.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 4, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Anyone consider that Boston HAD to make moves, there was no choice. Another example of crappy cap management.
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and offering guys like Bradley and Erskine extensions and essentially overpaying for the kind of element you could pick up much cheaper, that's not bad cap mgmt? Every move the Caps have made with regards to picking up the Nylanders and Pothiers of this world, along with signing and extending certain players, has tied their hands in terms of what players they can acquire via FA or via trade. What do you think would've happened if Chara had taken the Caps offer? Then we'd be in a similar spot having to jettison some players. But Boston did a pretty good job of getting good potential return in the Kessel trade. It isn't like they acquired the 30th overall pick. They dealt him to the right team. And if Seguin develops, if they use the other picks wisely then it mitigates losing a Kessel.

But the way Boston is built, defense first. I'll take my chances with that approach then how the Caps are building. Offense wins championships. Who said that? Oh thats right, NO ONE in their right freaking mind.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:45 PM | Report abuse

SDR has not proven he can compete at the AHL level---

NEITHER HAS KUZNETSOV AND A PLETHORA OF OTHER PROSPECTS ON EVERY SINGLE TEAM. Do you think we should trade all our kids who haven't proven themselves at an AHL level yet?

jesus


and the "rare commodity" comment, does that really have to be explained or can you perhaps connect the dots yourself and figure out that the Caps traditionally don't draft and develop agitators, esp none that have at least shown they can play a major role at the junior level? If SDR wasn't a rare commodity in our system, then no one here would ever be beating the "gritty dead horse".

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

"come on buddy be serious for a second. Carlson was here for a quarter of last season almost and the post season. He does not count as an addition. Alzner a top 5 pick who has taken 3 years to be NHL ready. And Neuvy a backup goalie. Not even going into MP or MaJo.

Seguin is going to be on the B's from day 1. By the end of the season he will be getting to 6 minutes and PP time. Plain and simply put it this way, if we had Seguin he'd be our 2C and no one would be complaining for a second about going into the season with him."

Carlson, Alzner, and Neuvy are all additions. They will all be on the Caps from day 1. Yes, Carlson had some time but was not on the Caps for even close to an entire season. He is considered an NHL rookie, just as Seguin is, and is considered an addition.

The fact that Alzner took 3 years is irrelevant in deciding whether he is an addition or not. Horton played many years on different teams(just like Alzner in the AHL) is he no longer an addition? Of course not, each will be spending their first full season with their new teams. Therefore, they are each additions.

Neuvy will likely start as the backup, but barring injury he should receive around 35 starts and maybe more. So that addition is not irrelevant.

I don't care if you reach the conclusion that Boston made better additions than the Caps, it only bothers me to hear people who do not use the same system of measuring when doing comparisons.

If Seguin is an addition, which he is, then you must count all rookies the Caps(and Bruins) will have on their team for almost all of the season as additions.

I only mentioned MJ and MP if they are on the roster for most or all of the season. If they are not then they don't count.

@cstanton1

Quit responding to me.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, ThePat, I didn't realize you were one of the haters. Sorry to hear that. I thought you were one of the good ones.

The bottom line is this: there are those of us who are reasonable about this team. We see that some upgrades at certain positions would be nice, and we see that some people are on the hot seat. We also see that we've made the playoffs 3 years in a row, the last two easily, we have only lost in 7-game series, so we haven't gotten blown out, and we have a very good roster. The main thing is we see that this immense criticism of everything GMGM does goes beyond constructive, and into the territory of irrational hatred for the man.

There are differences between our team from last year and the team we'll have to start out this year. We reasonable fans are perfectly willing to wait a little while to see what happens. We know that we stand little chance of missing the playoffs, and so the regular season is more for fine-tuning our team and making changes when the need becomes apparent and the solution presents itself. We have 6 months until the trade deadline.

We reasonable fans just want the unreasonable ones to relax. There's more than one way to win a cup. Hell, with their anemic offense, Boston was ridiculously close to making it to the ECF, and the perfect team according to some of you, the Flyers, would have been knocked out.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | August 4, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Oh, also, I wouldn't call the moves Boston made "major changes". They might slightly more than we have done, but not by a significant degree.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | August 4, 2010 1:54 PM | Report abuse

He saw much less time this year in that tournament and took undisciplined penalties
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another great argument, the "undisciplined" penalties comment. Wow.

Let me ask you, what makes an aggressive penalty a "disciplined" penalty? I'm guessing, nothing.

hockey 101 to follow--
- Aggressive players take aggressive penalties
- Most aggressive-type penalties, in fact most penalties period are considered "undisciplined" by fans who like to throw around that term
- the only penalties that fans don't consider to be undisciplined are either matching penalties or ones that involve a specific situation where someone has to pull down another player to stop a scoring chance or something.


So if that is your criteria for what constitutes disciplined v undisciplined, then SDR's penalties fits in with about 95% of all the penalties that occur at every level in hockey, and he fits in at 100% of the types of penalties all aggressive players take. So unless you want to throw every tough player under the bus like you just did SDR, you want to reconsider your comment. Only in a dreamlike universe that probably exists in yours and McPhee's minds, do aggressive players somehow manage to play tough without taking any penalties.

I'd rather have a player take a roughing or charging call in the heat of the battle over a typical lazy Semin or Schultz penalty that involves them hooking down another player because they refuse to use the body or in Semin's case, just lost the puck thru his overstickhandling.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

If the complaint by some is the Caps lack grit why in the heck are the examples of poor cap management Erskine and Bradley? Erskine at 1.250mil and Bradley at 1mil are not hurting the Capitals as far as the salary Cap. Erskine at that salary can probably be replaced but not by a better player. Bradley, in relative contract terms, is a good fit at 1mil. Again, I want to put the caveat that it is my opinion because just like everyone else on here I am not an expert and do not pretend to be more qualified than those paid to make decision in the NHL.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Quit responding to me.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 1:51 PM | Report abuse

no one's talking to you ms prissy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, ThePat, I didn't realize you were one of the haters. Sorry to hear that. I thought you were one of the good ones
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ThePat is one of the good ones. At least one of the ones who can think for himself.

lets revisit the hater definition according to some of the buffoons here--

Hater: means to intellectually critique and back it up with meaningful evidence and opinion.

Fan: any person who gives McPhee a free pass on everything. Usually stems from the complete lack of any imagination and ability to formulate and process tangible evidence. Also someone who is apparently able to form a complete opinion via stats and stats alone. (you know who you are).

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

Hockey 201. An aggressive penalty, which more times than not can be acceptable is a roughing penalty, maybe even an elbow if you're working hard for the puck.

An undisciplined penalty is usually taken by an out-classed agressive player that resorts to hitting players before or after the puck is in the play, or punching players in the back of the head that are protecting the puck.

There are penalties that are acceptable without a doubt. If an all but guaranteed goal is foiled by dragging someone down by all means, drag them down.

I stand by my comment. SDR was taking undisciplined penalties during the tournment.

Posted by: fanohock1 | August 4, 2010 2:03 PM | Report abuse

@sgm

its relevant in talking major changes vs minor changes. Alzner is a 5th Dmen, minor change. Neuvy fine may split time in net could be a major move. Carlson was here for 30 games when you add it all up so I dont include him, whether he is eligible for ROY or not.

Horton and Sequin are both top 6 F's = major additions.

Nathan Horton on a bad Fla team puts up 62 points, and then 45 and 57 in injury shortened seasons. He's a big strong, physical forward that puts up points. So there are numbers for you, Boston has added a proven top 6 F = major move. A top 2 draft pick most likely top 6 F = major move.

Is that the same system you use for major vs minor additions to a team? If not its not, but their moves will have more of an impact then ours will. That is all im saying.

@TheDoubleAlex

I am not a hater at all. I've been a lifelong fan of the team. But the one thing I am while being a fan is a realist. Im not optimistic or pessimistic. If you read I said the criticism of GMGM as a whole is overblown but "this season" I think he hasnt done a good enough job. I dont understand how that makes me a hater, but if thats what you want to call me go for it.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

If the complaint by some is the Caps lack grit why in the heck are the examples of poor cap management Erskine and Bradley?
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because they overpaid for elements that they could get for cheaper. The league is filled with cheaper and more effective alternatives to our gritty role players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

fanock, for the sake of discussion, and i'll tone my attitude down a bit.

"I stand by my comment. SDR was taking undisciplined penalties during the tournment."

You do realize that a lot of great players in their time have taken MANY "undisciplined" penalties, right? And a lot of great current prospects have taken many of those same types of penalties. So why is SDR suddenly more expendable because of this?

Tocchet, GRoberts, Tkachuk, ONolan, DHatcher, JRoenick, AGraves, MMessier, AFoote, BShanahan, MTinordi, DCiccarelli, ADeadmarsh and a few hundred more have taken what you would consider to be undiscplined penalties. I won't bother to explain the nuances of how aggressive players like to carve out a reputation and some space on the ice. But if you just looked at their penalties, by your definition those players are probably not worth developing. And I just named some of the bigger names. There are also a ton of lesser names (Tucker, Avery, Ott,etc)who didn't put up big #s in college or the junior ranks who ended up very solid NHL players who took those types of penalties along the way. Would you think less of them too?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Let me recap what's happened since our last game:

1. We got embarrassed in the playoffs, yet again, but after it was all over, we all took stock. I know I felt we were close, but clearly, we needed something.

2. It may be ok. We have the offseason. We will build around the great core we have, and next year, we will be even better. We will retool, not reload. We'll add some veteran help, and some defense. Next year is truly "Our Year."

3. This plan will work, becuase we have the assets, and cap flexibilty to get it done. Our goalies next year will make $2m combined. We have young guys that could make lesser lineups. We have 3 young goalies.

4. We can lose the "dead weight". Some of them are UFA: Corvo, Belanger, Walker, Jurchina, Morrison(n)s, and BOYD GORDON. Some of them, we trade: Flash and Semin.

Did anyone else feel this way? Even the GMGM apologists must have.

It appears, on August 4th, 2010, we have learned nothing from out post season. We need to be older, we are getting younger. We need to be tougher, we are getting softer (I am talking about everyday players, not DJ King who will dress 40 times, but never in the playoffs).

I am wondering, as Caps fans, how can anyone be ok with this?

Posted by: underpants2 | August 4, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Semin rules. Get over it.

He makes NHLers look stupid, and sometimes is overly agressive (theres that word again) in trying to get back a puck he lost. Also, watch the guy back check, create chances, take on 2 guys in order to pass the puck to the man now left alone, etc. Lazy is last word I'd use for him (only haters call him lazy).

He may not be a body-up on someone type player, thats not his style. His talents are elsewhere. Not every player has to be the "physical" type. Gretzky....do you knock his talent for not being a heavy hitter? If so...wave goodbye to your credibility.

50% of his hooking calls on Semin are bs, watch some of the replays. His rep as a "hooker" (yes its completely hilarious that the guy named Semin is known to be a hooker) makes refs quick to call him for something everyone else is allowed to do.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

So now if someone on this blog questions GMGM they are "unreasonable" and a "hater". While those who are perfectly happy with status quo are "reasonable" and "one of the good ones"??

WOW, the rose colored glasses and kool-aid are being passed around today. Guess I will have to be considered a hater because I am not satisfied with sitting around when there are glaring holes on this team and pieces out there that could fill said holes through FA/trades.

Some of you people are unbelievable!

Posted by: PhilR | August 4, 2010 2:18 PM | Report abuse

Fanock's statement or opinion of SDR really speaks to one of the core issues under McPhee. He's not willing to take on younger players who put up some sizable PIMs. I don't mean 400 PIMs, but even in the neighborhood of 150-200 PIMs in a season. And that's a shame because a lot of those players can develop over time from a 4th line energy tough guy into a 3rd or 2nd liner who can provide grit on a scoring line. Young players whose primary attributes are playing an abrasive style, need that leash from their coach to be able to establish their presence. As they get older they need to establish that presence less often. But if players like Roberts, Tocchet, Guerin and Shanahan weren't allowed to take these so-called "undisciplined" penalties early in their career, they wouldn't have gained as much respect on the ice from the opposition. And other players like LaPerriere who was strictly a 4th liner in his younger days, would never have been developed by his coach into anything more. I could never imagine the Caps bringing up a young Sean Avery or LaPerriere type into this org the right way. They'd demote them the instant they started taking a few minors.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

Thanks for having the same view point as me and now being a hater :)

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

lets revisit the hater definition according to some of the buffoons here--

Hater: means to intellectually critique and back it up with meaningful evidence and opinion.

Fan: any person who gives McPhee a free pass on everything. Usually stems from the complete lack of any imagination and ability to formulate and process tangible evidence. Also someone who is apparently able to form a complete opinion via stats and stats alone. (you know who you are).

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

You're right. Those are the definitions according to at least one of the buffoons around here, since they're apparently your definitions.

The real definitions are:

Hater: Someone who attacks and unnecessarily criticizes everything the Caps do and offers no ray of hope or optimism about the team.

Fan: Someone who likes their team.

Reasonable fan: Someone who likes their team, and wants them to do well. Also, someone who understands the possible problems with the team and acknowledges them while also seeing that the team, despite its problems, is still a really good team that has the possibility of going all the way. This is someone who doesn't feel the need to criticize every move made, and is willing to wait and see on most moves.

Of course the only reason I'm posting this is because I'm supremely bored. I understand that there's no getting through to you or the other haters here. I am optimistic, though, that you guys will either get so sick of GMGM that you'll do what you obviously should do and go be a fan of another team, or just somehow find reason and start using it.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | August 4, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Lazy is last word I'd use for him (only haters call him lazy).


If you have not seen Semin take shifts/games off during his career then you:

A. Have not been watching very many games.

B. Are just a blind homer looking through rose colored glasses.

Semin is an incredible talent WHEN HE WANTS TO BE! I just wish he wanted to be every time he laces up his skates.

Posted by: PhilR | August 4, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

He makes NHLers look stupid, and sometimes is overly agressive (theres that word again) in trying to get back a puck he lost. Also, watch the guy back check, create chances, take on 2 guys in order to pass the puck to the man now left alone, etc. Lazy is last word I'd use for him (only haters call him lazy).

He may not be a body-up on someone type player, thats not his style. His talents are elsewhere. Not every player has to be the "physical" type. Gretzky....do you knock his talent for not being a heavy hitter? If so...wave goodbye to your credibility.

50% of his hooking calls on Semin are bs, watch some of the replays. His rep as a "hooker" (yes its completely hilarious that the guy named Semin is known to be a hooker) makes refs quick to call him for something everyone else is allowed to do.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce

You know what else is great about him, how he disappears in big games. That is awesome.

Posted by: underpants2 | August 4, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

There we go with the "go be a fan of another team" comment from TheDoubleAlex. Thanks for the advice man but I have been a Caps fan since their inception and think I will stick around and be considered a "hater" by all you "reasonable" fans. And if GMGM continues to sit on his thumb and makes no moves I will still be here next May screaming for him to be fired as the players break out their golf clubs again prematurely.

Posted by: PhilR | August 4, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Semin rules. Get over it.

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well, since you put it that way.

"He makes NHLers look stupid, and sometimes is overly agressive (theres that word again) in trying to get back a puck he lost. Also, watch the guy back check, create chances, take on 2 guys in order to pass the puck to the man now left alone, etc. Lazy is last word I'd use for him (only haters call him lazy)."

He's lazy, get over it. That's why he takes so many shifts off that people around the league or on the networks have taken to calling him "enigmatic" or "moody". Its caught on for a reason. And stereotypes don't get born in vacuums. They usually stem from something tangible. I could care less whether Semin was a Euro or born in Humboldt. He's a lazy hockey player who has the talent to turn it on when he wants to and put up good enough #s that keep him on this team. And you can doubt me when I say this and it doesn't matter to me either way, and it didn't help me form my opinion of him either, but I have talked to folk within the org who have expressed how frustrated the Caps mgmt/coaching staff themselves have been with Semin's play. But that they keep him on because of his relationship with Ovechkin and the fact that he is so talented. I won't say anymore about this. Take it for what its worth and for some of you that may be worth nothing, like i said i don't care.

"He may not be a body-up on someone type player, thats not his style. His talents are elsewhere. Not every player has to be the "physical" type. Gretzky....do you knock his talent for not being a heavy hitter? If so...wave goodbye to your credibility."

different players, different situations. I'd rather equate Semin to someone like Datsyuk or Zetterberg, both of whom I have a lot more respect for than #28.

"50% of his hooking calls on Semin are bs, watch some of the replays. His rep as a "hooker" (yes its completely hilarious that the guy named Semin is known to be a hooker) makes refs quick to call him for something everyone else is allowed to do."

Semin screwed himself early by using his stick a lot to hold players up, hook them down, use his stick to defend himself when a player was about to hit him, etc. His reputation is welldeserved and is his own. If he got nailed a few times on questionable hooks this past season, he's dug his own grave and will have to re-earn a better reputation. Aggressive chippy players sometimes get nailed on their reps too esp if they're 3rd and 4th liners as opposed to 1st and 2nd liners. Its the nature of the beast.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

Yep, he has occasionally taken a shift off/game (although usually these are injury related). I guess we just view his "giving it his all" factor differently. I mean, we have all seen Ovie do his occasional floating around waiting type shift.

Players that come off as "lazy" to me are:
Green (sometimes)
Flash (almost always)

Now dont get me wrong, I dont mind Green, but he often way too lazy for me. Perhaps he needs to share some of his minutes.

Flash....well he just needs to be traded or at least attempt to prove his worth.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 2:38 PM | Report abuse

There we go with the "go be a fan of another team" comment from TheDoubleAlex. Thanks for the advice man but I have been a Caps fan since their inception and think I will stick around and be considered a "hater" by all you "reasonable" fans. And if GMGM continues to sit on his thumb and makes no moves I will still be here next May screaming for him to be fired as the players break out their golf clubs again prematurely.

Posted by: PhilR | August 4, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

in my eyes PhilR, you are the biggest Caps fan out there judging by those comments. DoubleAlex is just speaking from a newbie perspective. He's getting warm and squishy over the fact that McPhee has given him an entertaining offensive team to watch from the stands and the 2Alex nickname speaks to that. The other nuances, he either doesn't comprehend them or he doesn't care to. You know, because he's so REASONABLE!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

In regards to Semin being lazy. Is he at times lazy, absolutely. But the way he works when he shows up overshadows that until he takes the dumb penalties. During the playoffs he was held off the scoresheet but he was busting his butt the whole time. Sometimes over doing it and taking shots from all over, but if you dont shoot it cant go in.

Flash is the most lazy on the team and its not even close.

Knuble, who is one of my favorites, is lazy at times but he gets away with it bc of his linemates and when hes working he camps out in front of the net.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

He may not be a body-up on someone type player, thats not his style.

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thats odd because unless I dreamt it up, he played that way in games 4, 5 and 6 v the Flyers. And played that way a little leading upto his incidence with Marc Staal.

He CAN play that way. Whether he chooses to is another question. Sometimes the worst thing an opposing player can do to Semin is to rough him up the way Upshall did in the Philly series. That woke up #28 and he played inspired hockey. Then other times he'll either act disinterested in that type of game or he'll shrink away from contact even more (like he did after Orpik nailed him in game 1 of the Pens series), or he'll get embarassed or traumatized after his silly bongo playing with Staal where the Ranger players were basically laughing at him and taunting him.

So, I HAVE seen Semin play inspired hockey which includes sticking his nose in there. Do you remember the battles he had with Sean Hill? I do. And haven't seen that from him in quite a while. He underplays his potential.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Carlson played 22 regular season games last year and 7 playoff games. Having now for the full season is an addition in my opinion. Just as PK Subban will be an addition to the Habs this year. But there is no need to quibble on this.

Horton will have a big impact for them as he is a top 6 forward as you mentioned.

However, they did lose Widemann and they are also going to have to lose another player due to salary cap restraints. They get a short reprieve because of Strum's LTIR status, but once he leaves that they will need to drop somebody. So they either lose Strum(or someone else, maybe Savard)

Seguin, from what I've read, will start off getting 4th line minutes. But for kids that age who knows how good he will be. He very well may light it up and move into the top 6. That will be interesting to see.

The Bruins did improve, and they may have improved themselves more than the Caps(although the Caps couldn't improve much more for the regular season).

Other improvements to be considered is the expected improvements of young players. Bergeron for the Bruins is likely to have a huge year, IMO. Especially because he is playing in his contract year. It is reasonable to expect any player on each team 26 and under to improve. Some more than others. That is hard to guage though because none of us know who is working out or how hard they are working.

I'm fine with people saying the Bruins improved more than the Caps. However, IMO, the Caps are still the better team for this upcoming year. Time will tell if I am correct on that.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Nope, you are thinking of Flash...he is the Caps emmisary to the League of Shadows. Because I am assuming you are talking about the playoffs when it comes to "big games". I have to say, Semin played some great hockey out there during the playoffs. Granted he didnt score the goals like we had hoped, but its not like he didnt try and not like he wasnt doing other things out there.

It's funny how a lot of people judge his playoff performance soley on his goal production...but then scoff at the people who talk about his goals scored during the season as irrelevant stats. Kinda have to choose one way or the other, cant just ping pong when you feel like. Thats just silly.

@cstanton1

I agree he has placed that label on himself, but that doesnt justify phantom calls on him.

And did I read correctly? Are you siding with management on something and using them as your justification for calling him lazy? Woah...writing this day down on my calendar. Next thing you know you will be praising GMGM about a deal he makes. :P

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Knuble, who is one of my favorites, is lazy at times but he gets away with it bc of his linemates and when hes working he camps out in front of the net.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Where Knuble is specifically lazy is along the end boards in the offensive end. He doesn't go forecheck the puck. He prefers to let someone else go get the puck while he camps out in the crease. Last yr quite a few times the other team was able to clear the puck because neither Ovechkin nor Backstrom were around to go get the puck behind the net or along the endboards and Knuble had already set up camp by the goal instead of moving his legs. But then in one game he was a beast on the forecheck. He went from having like 5 hits over 10 games to getting 5 or 6 hits in one game. The Caps had lost a couple of games and I think he felt the pressure to be more of a leader on the ice in that game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I agree he has placed that label on himself, but that doesnt justify phantom calls on him.

And did I read correctly? Are you siding with management on something and using them as your justification for calling him lazy? Woah...writing this day down on my calendar. Next thing you know you will be praising GMGM about a deal he makes. :P

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce |

Not siding with mgmt. I already said my opinion of Semin is independent of anything I heard.

My point was simply, he has rightfully earned a reputation on the ice as a certain type of player. And other players around the league deal with some similar stereotypes which they have to overcome as well. Until you get more established as a veteran player, the refs don't always cut you a fair break. Even in baseball, an umpire would never call a strike on Wade Boggs unless he swung and missed. He earned a certain rep that worked in his favor. If Jarome Iginla was a 4th liner instead of a 1st liner, he'd get nailed on a lot more of his aggressive hits and punches. Players, not just Semin, deal with things like this all the time. Some benefit from ref calls, some get screwed. Semin has to redevelop his reputation and put the sins of his past behind him. He comes across as petulant sometimes. Most refs don't respect that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

that is a fair and thoughtful response. Like you said, its not something to quibble about, we all have our own opinions.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

For those talking about Semin's reputation for taking penalties and unfairly getting called for them:

He has the reputation for how he acts when it gets called on him. Whether its a legit call or not, he always use to look at the refs with a blank stare, in a complaining manner. You cant do that when you are young. Last season he started to not do that anymore and just go straight to the box. My guess is you will see less and less of the hooking calls on Semin as his attitude about them changes.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

It was a joke...simma down nah

And I hope he sheds his stigmas, especially after he puts up 50+ goals this year. Maybe then some of you will praise him from time to time, rather that merely point out his shortcomings.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

My guess is you will see less and less of the hooking calls on Semin as his attitude about them changes.
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and as he flings less pucks into the net, and as he quits lying on the ice waiting for a call to be made, etc etc.

but anyone who thinks Semin played all out this past playoff series, I question whether you really watched him from the drop of the puck in game 1. From my memory, he didn't start playing hard until game 3 or 4. When he started getting more scrutiny for not putting up points.

@seminda

I wasn't simmering, just clarifying :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

It's funny how a lot of people judge his playoff performance soley on his goal production...but then scoff at the people who talk about his goals scored during the season as irrelevant stats. Kinda have to choose one way or the other, cant just ping pong when you feel like. Thats just silly.
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agreed, that is silly. I wouldn't judge Semin on his point production, that's between him and his coach and owner. But I will say this, if you do all the little things right, then fans and coaches are more forgiving and patient when goal scorers go thru a drought. When the sum of your contributions ends up being your point production, thats where you get judged harshly (and rightfully so) if the well dries up.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 3:24 PM | Report abuse

which is why when fans talk about what happened to jonathan cheechoo, they never call him a bum. They appreciate how hard he played on every shift and attribute his quick career decline to his injuries.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Just in time to comment on my favorite cliche: Player X plays hard every shift of every game and leaves it all on the ice. Who is the superhuman player?

These guys are human beings. With an 82 game season + playoffs, there is no way they can deliver big hits, dive for pucks, and play hard every game. I'd rather guys take off meaningless games and save up energy for a Cup run than trying to pad their stats for the Presidents, Art Ross, or Richard Trophies

Posted by: ablake70 | August 4, 2010 3:42 PM | Report abuse

If anyone does not plan on using their season tickets to go up to Pittsburgh for the Winter classic. Please email me @ wtrose3@gmail.com. Thanks.

Posted by: wtr3s | August 4, 2010 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Heres a question for everyone from Capsreport today.

1 Stanley Cup and playoffs every other year?

or making the playoffs ever year with a chance to win the Cup every year?

I know I'd take the 1 Cup and wouldnt care if we made the playoffs for the next 3 years after that. Your thoughts?

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 3:48 PM | Report abuse

From my memory, he didn't start playing hard until game 3 or 4. When he started getting more scrutiny for not putting up points.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 3:18 PM

Now, since we all cant access your memory (nor mine)...and I know how much we all love stats (eww gross)...I thought it was interesting to notice, that according to the dreaded stat sheet...Semin seemed to have worked harder to create offense in G1&2, rather than 3&4. Again, you cant judge only based on stats...but nor can you from only memory either.

Having said that...
Gm1: 0G, 1A, +1, 8 shots (2nd most)
Gm2: 0G, 0A, -2, 7 shots (2nd most)
Gm3: 0G, 0A, E, 9 shots (most)
Gm4: 0G, 1A, +1, 4 shots (2nd most)
Gm5: 0G, 0A, E, 5 shots (most)
Gm6: 0G, 0A, E, 5 shots (2nd most)
Gm7: 0G, 0A, E, 6 shots (2nd most)

The only thing unfortunate for him was his derth of goals. Had he scored a goal or 2, I think everyone would have seen him as the role model for playoff intensity.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Semin has improved and is getting less bad penalties now than he used to. He is maturing and knowing those sort of things often comes with maturity and experience. The fact that he is improving is a very good sign because it shows he is learning from his mistakes and changing some things based on that.

I forgot what the exact numbers were, but his penalties drawn vs. taken were considerably in his favor this year.

He needs to keep on improving on that part of the game but we don't want him to stop pressuring players because he does create a good amount of turnovers and then scoring opportunities with those sorts of plays.

Unfortunately sometimes when a player is being aggressive they will commit a penalty.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 3:55 PM | Report abuse

I would glady pay you Tuesday for a Stanley Cup today.

But multiple would be nice too. Ideally I would like 5 straight (ring on all 4 fingers and the thumb), then we can let the others take their turn in the spot light. :)

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Oh and on a unrelated note...those who are going to the WC, thought you should know a lot of the downtown hotels are either booked or upwards in the price of $300+ a night. I imagine that being New Year's as well, they will fill up fast and rates might get jacked up. Better reserve asap.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@SeminAllOver

Yeah thats why I got my hotel room back in May when the game was first announced. Now just waiting to figure out the whole ticket thing.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@SAOTI

For Semin, I think it is important to point out that with 2 minutes left in game 7 with the Caps down 2-1 he had the wonderful pass to Chimera that he ended up fumbling. It was a pretty clutch pass at a pretty big moment that unfortunately Chimera couldn't cash in on. If Chimerea scores on that then everyone remembers that pass. But either way, the pass was awesome and that was a nice play in the clutch.

@ThePat

What % chance would the Caps have at winning the Cup each year(%20 and for how long). We all would love for the Caps to win the Cup(which I would probably take because I prefer guarantees and would play it safe(I would have to not know they are going to win one because that takes away the fun of anticipation)), but absolutely no move will ever guarantee it.

I think a team needs to do whatever gives it the best chance to win a cup over a 7 year span.

Be that 7 consecutive years of 20% chance or 2 years at a 35% chance and 5 years at a 10% chance, or 1 year at a %40 chance(about as high as it could ever get) and 2 years at 10% and 4 years at 5%.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

yes i'd take the Cup and skip the playoffs for a couple of yrs, or even 3.


@Seminonice

Those stats don't at all reflect his effort from game to game, shift to shift. He did a lot of perimeter playing in the first few games. He didn't go digging for pucks. So shots on goal to me don't signify what his true efforts were. We've all seen him take his shot from near the half-wall, hoping something sneaks thru. There's a lot more to playoff hockey effort than that. It doesn't show how hard a player works to get the puck, how responsible he is away from the puck. While Semin's primary job may be to put up points, look at SOG stats is a very small part of the big picture.


His overall effort became better in the 2nd half of the series. Regardless of what the SOG stats say.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 4:08 PM | Report abuse

but anyone who thinks Semin played all out this past playoff series, I question whether you really watched him from the drop of the puck in game 1.

This is an interesting statement because I find myself saying this about a lot of players. Who can you say on this Caps team that played hard from the first drop of the puck in game 1 until the clock ticked down to 0 at the end of game 7? I can't think of a single player.

An earlier comment was made that reputations have a bit of truth to them. While I don't deny that Semin's reputation was earned from his early years, I do think people see what they want. For instance, a lot was made of Semin's lack of maturity because he takes bad penalties, but most ignored Knuble's penalties. Also, when Ovi was out last November, fans and media jumped on Semin for not stepping up but completely ignored the struggles of another star player.

Fan's (and media's) response to players are often based on personal biases and how they perceive that player on a personal level. Laich says all the right things to the media, so he's a hard worker, great teammate, and leader. Karl Alzner talks about bulking up and being physical so he's the Caps answer on D. A guy like Semin doesn't go out of his way to placate the media, so he's lazy, enigmatic, lacks hockey sense. I've said before, if Semin had Laich's personality, fans would scream at McPhee to sign him to a Kovalchuk deal.

Semin has his faults, but he isn't nearly as bad as the fans or the media portray him.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 4, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Haha, I was the opposite. I wasnt sure how the tickets were going to work so I was hesitant to book early. Probably could have saved a few dollars, but $130 a night and 3 miles away from the stadium aint so bad.

Ticket thing is easy. You sign in, buy the tickets at the crazy rate ($300 for my pair where I can reach out and touch the Goodyear Blimp) for the predetermined seats and then write on a sticky note "bring tissues to game for nosebleeds".

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Heres a question for everyone from Capsreport today.

1 Stanley Cup and playoffs every other year?

or making the playoffs ever year with a chance to win the Cup every year?

I know I'd take the 1 Cup and wouldnt care if we made the playoffs for the next 3 years after that. Your thoughts?

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 3:48 PM

I'd take the Cup too.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 4, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Hence I said you cant go purely by them. But a nice mix of memory and stats can help give one a better portrayl of how a player fared.

I wasnt only looking at only shots either. With all the goals scored against the Caps and him not scoring...for being even, that means his most likely did play decent defensively.

Also, yes some shots were long bombs...but with his skill, a long bomb can still be more lethal than say a Chimera in closer.

How would you honestly rate his playoff performance overall?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@ SeminAllOverTheIce

Only two even strength goals (including the empty netter at the end of game 6) and 1 PP goal was scored while Semin was on the ice. Only the PP goal was scored before game 6.

And welcome to the dark side. Good to have another Semin fan aboard.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 4, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

So most people are in agreement that you'd take the Cup.

So then why do people take offense when some of on here arent happy with GMGM's actions this offseason??? This is the one offseason we had salary cap room to play with, much like Chicago last season. They won their cup, kept their core for the most part and are filling in with minor leaguers around the core. That shouldnt be a problem for us in the future since Hershey has the depth.

That is why many of us think we should have signed some guys and taken a risk(let Flash walk for nothing). This team isnt going to stay together forever. With salary cap space this should have been the offseason to take a risk and sign some guys and go for it all.

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

The big difference is that no moves would guarantee a Cup.

I would be surprised if any team over the past 20 years, had more than a %40 chance of winning the Cup entering the season.

If someone asked you last year if you would take Chicago to win or the field, everyone would choose the field.

I think right now the best chances any team has at winning is about a 6 to 1.

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

How would you honestly rate his playoff performance overall?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 4, 2010 4:20 PM | Report abuse

around a C. I'd give him a D- to start the series, and a solid B in the latter half. I know it'd be too hard to go back and look at blogs but I was very clear in my disgust for him in the first few games of the series. And while I didn't gush over his performance in the 2nd half of the series (moreso because I was still digusted that he thought he could start the series on a low note and then play his way into having a productive series), I did acknowledge how much his effort had improved.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 4:36 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I have no clue what you are talking about??

Big difference no moves guarantee the cup?? 40%, 6 to 1 odds are 16%....im not really sure what you are talking about

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Just that the question of "would you take a guaranteed cup" is fine as a hypthetical but not pratical because no matter what any team does, no team is guaranteed a stanley cup.

I was just giving a random percentage in 40%(still below 50/50) as how high maybe a team could go in chances to win the stanley cup if they made all sorts of moves toward one season.

So a good question would be, as a fan would you give up any decent chance(more than 2%) at winning the SC from 2011 to 2015 if it gave the Caps a 30% chance at winning the Cup this season?

Posted by: sgm3 | August 4, 2010 4:52 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I have no clue what you are talking about??
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join the club. When he starts talking percentages and numbers and flux capacitors, i glaze over too.

forget the odds and #crunching, all fans want is their GM to give their team the right tools. After that, whether its luck with injuries, chemistry, hot goalie etc, thats out of our hands. But the right tools have to be provided and the right elements have to be in place to where you could look at a team and say "yep, they have what they need to make a long run"

i didn't think the caps have had those elements in place at all the past 3 playoff seasons. So, if we go into next season and the team doesn't have the right look and feel, there's gonna be a whole lot more griping! gaarrrh!

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Fan's (and media's) response to players are often based on personal biases and how they perceive that player on a personal level. Laich says all the right things to the media, so he's a hard worker, great teammate, and leader. Karl Alzner talks about bulking up and being physical so he's the Caps answer on D. A guy like Semin doesn't go out of his way to placate the media, so he's lazy, enigmatic, lacks hockey sense. I've said before, if Semin had Laich's personality, fans would scream at McPhee to sign him to a Kovalchuk deal.
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speak for yourself, i could care less whether Semin was a standup comic or not. Laich's reputation has a lot more to do with how he plays on the ice imo than what he says to the media. He does the grunt work so he's looked upon favorably. Regarding Alzner, what he says (wanting to bulk up and be more physical and a better teammate who sticks up for his players) and what he actually does are two different things. So until he starts DOING it, he's still on my hit list.

The only point I'd agree with you on is that players sometimes carry their reputations with them through times where perhaps they don't deserve them. If Laich went 20 games without working very hard, a few of us would notice it but he'd still be looked at as a quality grinder. If Semin threw a few more hits over a series of games, again he's not going to shake his soft reputation immediately. I think as a fan, you should acknowledge those little changes (positive and negative) but not lose sight of the big picture. Which means I wouldn't be ready to write off Laich because he took a few games off during the season and I wouldn't be ready to anoint Semin as our next power forward because he forechecked hard for a few games. I'd want to see a larger sampling and you take a player's recent history into account when making evaluations.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

I disagree. For example, Laich has a reputation of being as a guy the crashes the net and is willing to pay the price, but he did little of that in the Montreal series. Knuble always made an effort to screen Halak, despite being tossed around by the 2 or 3 defenders blocking his way. Laich, not so much. More often than not, he took the Flash position off to the side of the goalie, waiting for something to happen instead of fighting for position. And that was not the first series I noticed that trend from him.

IMO, every regular player should to take off some regular season games. It's a long grind, no reason to blow your wad in November (Flash!). The playoffs are a different story. It was more than just Semin, Flash, and Green that gave a half-hearted effort that lead to the 1st round upset, but most fans didn't notice. Of course, when you have so many players not giving 100% effort, I blame the coach but that's a different discussion.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 4, 2010 5:56 PM | Report abuse

When is Katie going to stick her mug up there? I bet she's a cute, freckly red-head with a slightly up-turned nose.

Posted by: TBDog | August 4, 2010 6:03 PM | Report abuse

I blame the coach but that's a different discussion.

Posted by: ablake70

you start besmirching the coach and then you get more histrionics and hairpulling going on from the new faithful who give BB a pass because of the way he's improved upon our reg season record over Hanlon, Cassidy and RW. BB is doing what he did largely in the minors with Manchester. He's putting together reg season teams w/strong records who underachieve in the playoffs. A lot of Manchester fans seemed ready to move on from him after their initial delight at the way he got their team to show an improvement in the standings. They quickly realized that his players weren't that equipped for postseason play.

Lucky for Bruce he had Doug Yingst to help round out his roster in Hershey. In DC, he has George. And there isn't much ''balancing occurring here the way Yingst was able to do with the Bears. Both GM and BB are of the same mindset. So the roster follows that mindset. Yingst is the master of acquiring the right type of role players to support the talent. And its not just 4th liners. Players like Kane, Rome, and Amadio played some key roles there last yr.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 6:16 PM | Report abuse

TBDog - there's a common theme between all fans of the Pens and it's not what you described. At least not the cute part any way.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 6:39 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

I am getting tired of hearing how the Caps shouldn't think about firing BB because Hanlon was worse. You don't keep a bad coach because the previous one was worse. IMO, BB has never tried to build a team, just a rock group with him as the lead singer. Everyone is more interested in scoring goals and personal gratification because that's what their leader encourages. If BB doesn't change his philosophy, this team will never win a Cup.

Posted by: ablake70 | August 4, 2010 6:40 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting tired of people saying we'll never win a Cup with BB as the coach or GM as our GM or Ted as our owner.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

It nice to see some non semen bashing..I totally agree ..a cheeky smile would go a long way.. He was trying harder with interacting with fans early last year.. He just worries too much about speaking English I think..he ca see him thinking sook hard when he tries..I feel bad for him..now he could certainly aucqk it up and align a few more autographs.. And get more$ via fan love

Often he is working his butt of when others aren't.. Caps. Neded to work getting the whole team on board all the time.heck they all admitted kAs much last year. Maybe that is why some poeple for. Dumped?

Any news on Theo? I hope things turn out well for him?

It would be ironic kif mole Huet ends up in the minors as is rumored..

Posted by: kmr2r | August 4, 2010 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Ugh typing on iPad isn't good need practice obviously

Posted by: kmr2r | August 4, 2010 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Ugh I meant semin the spell check is crazy on this thing ughhhh

Posted by: kmr2r | August 4, 2010 7:30 PM | Report abuse

Let's just hope that Caps Winter Classic uniform is not as bad as this. http://twitpic.com/2bmick.

Posted by: icehammer97 | August 4, 2010 7:33 PM | Report abuse

BB has never tried to build a team, just a rock group with him as the lead singer. BB has never tried to build a team, just a rock group with him as the lead singer.
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god knows they got enough groupies on this blog to start their own rock band.


Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting tired of people saying we'll never win a Cup with BB as the coach or GM as our GM or Ted as our owner.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

individually at least 2 of those 3 could be part of a Cup winner. But you put em all together and then you got some problems...

Ted could be a Cup winning owner. Bruce could probably also be a Cup winning coach. The GM is the most important part of that equation. Cups have been won by GMs with owners who don't open up their pocketbooks and with coaches who come and go. But the GM is the one constant.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 4, 2010 8:43 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton 1

You're right the GM is the key.Our GM has not built a playoff team. It's still not a playoff team. Green needs a coach who can settle him down. Flush,Poti,Fehr,Steckel and Semin will never hold the Cup. Too wimpy.

Laich did not block Halak's view enough.
The tire changing incident deflected a lot of the criticism that was traveling his way. Golden boy Carlson compounded Green's error by not marking his man on the last goal. These are coaching problems. BB might be able to win a cup, but I doubt it.The GM will be replaced after the next early exit to a team that is much less skilled, but plays playoff hockey.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | August 5, 2010 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Heres a question for everyone from Capsreport today.

1 Stanley Cup and playoffs every other year?

or making the playoffs ever year with a chance to win the Cup every year?

Posted by: ThePat | August 4, 2010 3:48 PM


That's a no-brainer.

You take the Cup.

In the salary cap era, it's going to be much, much harder to form dynasties, or even win multiple cups in small timeframes.

Teams on the bottom will have a better chance than ever before to become contenders through the draft. Teams that have been bad over the past few years will suddenly be competitive with a few high draft picks.

Anybody who would take that second option is either overrating the Caps (thinking they have a reasonable chance to form a dynasty like teams of the pre-cap era) or underestimating the impact of the hard cap (which will be even greater once they eliminate these silly loophole contracts).

Posted by: tmac2yao | August 5, 2010 2:34 AM | Report abuse

So most people are in agreement that you'd take the Cup.

So then why do people take offense when some of on here arent happy with GMGM's actions this offseason??? This is the one offseason we had salary cap room to play with, much like Chicago last season. They won their cup, kept their core for the most part and are filling in with minor leaguers around the core. That shouldnt be a problem for us in the future since Hershey has the depth.

That is why many of us think we should have signed some guys and taken a risk(let Flash walk for nothing). This team isnt going to stay together forever. With salary cap space this should have been the offseason to take a risk and sign some guys and go for it all.

Posted by: ThePat


There you go making sense and being a "hater" again Pat. I have figured out that you might as well save your breath on many of the posters here......in their eyes GMGM can do no wrong. Heck, they probably think the Corvo signing was a good deal!

Posted by: PhilR | August 5, 2010 7:20 AM | Report abuse

That should be "Corvo trade", sorry about that.

Posted by: PhilR | August 5, 2010 7:22 AM | Report abuse

I'm getting tired of people saying we'll never win a Cup with BB as the coach or GM as our GM or Ted as our owner.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | August 4, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

There's one way to shut 'em up...Win the Cup!

After last year's early dismissal from the playoffs I would have fine with BB getting fired. You need to send the message that this is unacceptable. Should the Caps have another early dismissal from the playoffs this year I would be fine with GMGM and/or BB being fired.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | August 5, 2010 8:08 AM | Report abuse

Heck, they probably think the Corvo signing was a good deal!

Posted by: PhilR | August 5, 2010 7:20 AM |

How could you not? They got Pothier, Osala, and a 2nd rounder. Not to mention, they got Corvo back after the season. They made out like bandits. Oh wait...you meant a good deal for the Caps. Nevermind. :)

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 5, 2010 9:04 AM | Report abuse

yep, 2 straight seasons with dumb deadline moves or no deadline moves. If he hadn't snatched up Knuble last offseason, he'd be near the bottom of the league in terms of efficiency in acquiring the right players in a timely fashion. The problem with McPhee, he's unable to address flaws effectively via trades. Some GMs are pretty good in adding 2 or 3 players in a short time that effectively plug holes.

GM either holds out for too much, overvalues his own assets, or goes chasing after a "prize" like Corvo who I can't imagine any other team was really interested in. Carolina pulled a fast one and McPhee bit. Probably told him they had multiple suitors for Corvo and he better up the ante. Its almost like we maybe had someone else in our crosshairs and the deadline was winding down so McPhee got desperate to make some type of move at the deadline. But there's no getting around that Corvo wasn't even the TYPE of player we needed. The best offensive team in hockey doesn't need another offensive player who can't play D.

And I wasn't impressed with Belanger and Chimera either although what we gave up for those 2 was palatable. I hope Osala comes in and contributes this year. It'll make that deal look even worse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 5, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Anybody who would take that second option is either overrating the Caps (thinking they have a reasonable chance to form a dynasty like teams of the pre-cap era) or underestimating the impact of the hard cap (which will be even greater once they eliminate these silly loophole contracts).
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as a fan, given how you just laid it out, it seems reasonable that it would be very difficult to win multiple Cups within a few yrs. I'd say be happy winning one every 8 yrs or so. The rest of the time, hopefully be in the mix. Some yrs you get eliminated in the 1st, some yrs you make it to the 2nd or 3rd. That would be an acceptable degree of success to me. This notion that the Caps will somehow be in the mix for a Cup every single yr just because they have Green, Ovechkin, Backs, and Semin is a fool's dream. They better start putting their eggs in one basket soon and quit holding out for that perfect alignment of planets. The time is definitely now. Making weak moves is not the answer.

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 5, 2010 10:47 AM | Report abuse

i talk a lot of smack about GMGM here. However, if he makes this deal and then makes a second move that has been talked about here (dealing flash or semin in exchange for 2nd line c or top 2 pair dman), I will call the guy a genius!!! MAKE THE DEALS, GMGM!!!!

rumor mill....

"On Antti Niemi...

Two teams from the Southeast are rumored to be showing interest in the UFA Goalie. Florida and Washington. In Florida you have a GM who was a part of bringing Niemi to Chicago and has a a strong belief in Niemi. In Washington, who last night I was told was not in on Niemi, only to be corrected today, you have a team who has gone out of its way to let people know they are going with their two young goalies.

However a Washington source put it best saying: "The knock on this team continues to be its inability to perform in the playoffs. Especially in net. In Niemi you can show the fans you are getting a proven winner. And reasonably..."

Posted by: doughless | August 5, 2010 10:57 AM | Report abuse

oh yeah, and deal Varly. GENIUS!

Posted by: doughless | August 5, 2010 10:58 AM | Report abuse

are our goalies really that questionable? Is Niemi really the answer?

Posted by: cstanton1 | August 5, 2010 11:32 AM | Report abuse

Out of curiosity…why are people so quick to be done with Varly? Granted he has had a couple bad showings, but he has shown some amazing stuff as well. Yes he has had injury problems, but I’m willing to see how he does this season and IF needs be, acquire a vet goalie later in the season before the trade deadline. Not to mention he is cheap. I feel our more pressing concerns are a 2C and solid dman. If we waste 2 mil ish of cap space for a goalie who I really don’t feel is that much greater than (if this is even true) what we got…how is that “GENIUS”?

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 5, 2010 11:33 AM | Report abuse

I do believe the "GENIUS" remark was sarcasm SAOTI. Niemi is not a better option than either of the youngsters in my book.

Posted by: PhilR | August 5, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

@PhilR

I dont disagree that Niemi isnt better than the youngsters we have. However he has won in the playoffs and our two talented youngsters havent. Yes Varly won a series against the Rangers, a team who couldnts score goals even if we gave them an empty net that season.

Varly and Neuvy are more talented, but even just by 1 playoff season Niemi is more proven. Both of our guys are RFA's after this season, so if you could lock Niemi up with a 2 year $4-5M deal why not?? Trade Neuvy or Varly in a package for a Dman or a 2C. So Im not saying Id sign Niemi and trade one of them, but I could see the reasoning behind it if it happened.

Posted by: ThePat | August 5, 2010 11:42 AM | Report abuse

I wasn't sure. On one hand I would like to think it was sarcasm. On the other, given the source, I have seen some pretty "irrational" statements before. He probably still wants to trade Semin for another Bradley.

But agreed, No On Niemi...or NON as I will say from here on out.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | August 5, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

@ThePat,

I see your point but I would counter with this:

Put Varly or Neuvy in net with the D-corps that Chicago had last year and they would more than likely be Cup champions themselves right now. Goaltending, in my humble opinion, is not the problem.....a young/finesse D-corps is the problem.

Posted by: PhilR | August 5, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

it wasn't sarcasm. Niemi was a big reason for Hawks winning the Cup. Varly & Neuvy = unproven. In Varly's case, add periodic injuries. If GMGM can make moves (including Miemi) that: bolster blueline, add 2nd line C and improve goaltending (at a very reasonable price), what is the downside? how is $2 mil (or 2.75 for that matter) for Miemi a waste??

Posted by: doughless | August 5, 2010 12:21 PM | Report abuse

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