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NHL Draft Day 2: Live Updates


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The second day of the draft has begun and the Caps have just selected puck-moving Russian defenseman Dmitri Orlov with the 55th pick. Orlov, who is listed at 6-feet, 197 pounds, plays for Novokuznetsk in the KHL and had one goal in 16 games last season.

Orlov's English is limited so he spoke through an interpreter moments ago when he met with reporters here at Bell Centre. But he had a big smile on his face when he was asked about the prospect of joining the other Russians in Washington in the future.

"They have Ovechkin, Semin, Varlamov," Orlov said. "They are very popular players in Russia and the Capitals are a very popular team in Russia.

I'm going to use this post to provide updates throughout the day. So check back often.

Update:The Caps have taken another center, drafting Cody Eakin of Swift Current (Western Hockey League) in the third round (85th overall).

In addition to registering 24 goals and 24 assists for the Broncos, Eakin made a name for himself with a splendid performance in the CHL Top Prospects game, scoring twice while playing alongside No. 1 overall pick John Tavares. Eakin was named player of the game for Team Orr.

Eakin is described a two-way center who excels in the defensive zone and on the penalty kill. But the 5-11, 176-pound Winnipeg native also has had concussion problems, missing a total of seven weeks the past two seasons with a pair of head injuries. He said he's symptom free, but it's certainly something worth keeping an eye on.

"I can't wait to go to camp," said Eakin, who, like many Canadian kids, has been drawn to the Caps in recent seasons because of all of their young stars. "I'm looking forward to getting there and see the guys. I'm probably going to be a little shell shocked because of those amazing players. I watch the Capitals all the time."

Update:Patrick Wey, a defenseman from the Waterloo Black Hawks (USHL), was the Caps' fourth round pick. Wey ranked seventh among USHL defenseman last season, amassing seven goals and 27 assists in 58 games to go along with a plus-22 rating.

The 6 foot 2, 200-pound Pittsburgh native has committed to Boston College. He has also been invited to the U.S. National Junior Evaluation Camp.

Update:The Caps have also made a minor trade, sending prospect Sami Lepisto to Phoenix for a fifth round pick in 2010. Lepisto, a defenseman, had been a touted prospect in the Caps' system a couple of years ago. But he fell out of favor after failing to impress on his short stints in Washington.

Update:The Caps' fifth round pick is another defenseman, Brett Flemming of Missassauga St. Michael's (OHL). I'll have more on him a bit.

Update:The sixth round pick is Garrett Mitchell, a smallish but scrappy right wing from Regina (WHL).

GM George McPhee will give reporters are breakdown of the picks when the draft is completed.

Update:Bruce Boudreau on the Lepisto deal: "We're very deep with NHL defensemen. If you have the luxury of getting a pick for someone you don't perceive as being in the top six or seven on your team, then do it. We're cognisant of the fact that he wants to play in the NHL and Phoenix is a good opportunity for him."

Lepisto's stock plummeted last season.

"I don't if I put too much pressure on him or if he put too much pressure on himself," Boudreau added. "I always thought Sami would settle down. But he was always jittery."

With only a half hour remaining in this weekend's draft and the trade market stalled, it's looking more and more like the Caps are going to have to find a second line center (and probably a first line right wing) when free agency begins on Wednesday.

Update:With the 205th pick, the Caps have taken winger Benjamin Casavant, a native of St-Hyacinthe, Quebec. When his name was called, there was a big round of applause from a decent sized group of friends and family in the stands here at Bell Centre.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 27, 2009; 11:07 AM ET
 
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Glad to see a prospect excited about joining the Caps. Anyone have anything on Orlov?

Posted by: TheVampireCorndog | June 27, 2009 11:14 AM | Report abuse

Cody Eakin has some great reviews. One of them: "Cody is a tremendous skater and a lot of the things he does come from his skating ability. He's also ultra-competitive, and where he has a lot of success is getting in on the forecheck and chasing and racing for loose pucks. He also uses his speed a lot with the puck on the entries into the offensive zone. His speed also helps him in the defensive zone by catching guys from behind and creating turnovers in situations where guys who don't skate as well wouldn't be able to do. He beats a lot of guys to the outside and that's because of his skating ability."

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 27, 2009 11:15 AM | Report abuse

On Orlov from International Scouting Services: "Orlov is a rushing defender with very good offensive skills. He loves to jump in from blue line to make plays. He has been a workhorse for the Russian national teams consistently playing every second shift for the Russian 91 group, and has been very effective. Orlov, who plays his off side has a strong shot and loves to jump into the zone from the weak side to become a potent scoring threat. He loves to rush the puck up ice and has very good inside out moves to get the puck and himself in deep into the offensive zone. Overall, a very hard-nosed player that everyone would love to have on his team."

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 27, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Swift Current coach and GM Dean Chynoweth on Eakin:

"Cody is a tremendous skater and a lot of the things he does come from his skating ability. He's also ultra-competitive, and where he has a lot of success is getting in on the forecheck and chasing and racing for loose pucks. He also uses his speed a lot with the puck on the entries into the offensive zone. His speed also helps him in the defensive zone by catching guys from behind and creating turnovers in situations where guys who don't skate as well wouldn't be able to do. He beats a lot of guys to the outside and that's because of his skating ability."

Posted by: Greg S. | June 27, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

oh good we found a Russian Mike Green

Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

oh good we found a Russian Mike Green

Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

You think back just a few years ago, and no kids expressed too much excitement about coming to the Caps, how things have changed.

Excited for rookie camp already.

Posted by: TheVampireCorndog | June 27, 2009 11:56 AM | Report abuse

Sami Lepisto traded to Phoenix, presumably for a draft pick (waiting for details).

Posted by: StikSav | June 27, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What's the deal with drafting all these kids with head injury issues???

Posted by: CapsNut | June 27, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Lepisto to Phoenix for Coyotes' 5th round pick in 2010.

Posted by: StikSav | June 27, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

Bouwmeester traded to Flames.......now they have a great 1-2 defensemen combo if they can sign him

Posted by: RichC3 | June 27, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

CapsNut, We're changing the direction we're going in. The rebuild has begun again as the Washington Center for the Concussed. They found inspiration in Pothier. Eric Lindros will be replacing Bruce as head coach. ;-P

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

@CapsNut
Ready made excuse when they don't pan out. LOL

Posted by: StikSav | June 27, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I don't get trading Lepisto for such little return, even if he's expendable. Wasn't he a second or third in his draft year? He seemed to fit in with the system in Hershey at least. Expendable, sure with Carlson Alzner and Godfrey waiting in the wings, but a 5th rounder, in NEXT year's draft?

Posted by: TheVampireCorndog | June 27, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

My issue with the Lepisto trade is that the club has implied they believe they can use their assets to swing a trade for the 2nd line center they now need. And then to dump an asset for very marginal return that does nothing to help your needs as you've described makes me really scratch my head. Only thing I can think is Lepisto is so lightly regarded by NHL clubs he had no value in a package deal. But it really doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: StikSav | June 27, 2009 12:13 PM | Report abuse

The Orlov pick excites me. Most analysts seemed surprised that he dropped so low. I think he'll fit in well because of his style of play and because we have a lot of Russians.

Posted by: GoUnited | June 27, 2009 12:16 PM | Report abuse

I don't get the Lepisto trade either. I thought he showed some good signs when called up this past season. I think if we really wanted to trade him we could have gotten a lot more.

Posted by: GoUnited | June 27, 2009 12:18 PM | Report abuse

the only thing Lepisto for a draft pick does is free up a contract slot

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | June 27, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

@ GOUnited - Trading Lepisto has me scratching my head as well. Maybe picking Orlov made Lepisto expendible. looking at Lepisto's AHL stats and from watching him during his two stints with us, he seemed like he was worth more then a 5th rounder.

Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

I would think if somebody thought Sammy was worth more than they would have offered it. If he is not in the plans in the near future for the Caps, not the Bears, then clear the space out. And if he is capable of playing, the Phoenix is a good place for him. Win Win

Posted by: RichC3 | June 27, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Lepisto is a RFA this year according to hockeybuzz.com. Instead of having to offer a new contract or go through arbitration this might mean we just get a pick next year (though I agree that it is a late one).

Posted by: mattbuckley80 | June 27, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

"I can't wait to go to camp," said Eakin, who, like many Canadian kids, has been drawn to the Caps in recent seasons because of all of their young stars. "I'm looking forward to getting there and see the guys. I'm probably going to be a little shell shocked because of those amazing players. I watch the Capitals all the time."

How absolutely adorable. And did you ever think you'd see the day when people were legitimately thrilled to be drafted by Washington, and excited to meet the "amazing players"? (and a Canadian kid, watching the Caps "all the time"?! What or earth has happened?)

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 27, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

What's the deal with drafting all these kids with head injury issues???

Posted by: CapsNut | June 27, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

GM's got head issues judging from some of these picks. Good match!

Lepisto in his stints proved that he wasn't really NHL material. At best he's a 6th/7th dman on a team with depth issues. Glad we at least something for him. I used to laugh when I'd read how Sami Lepisto was next in line to join the defensive corps here. He just wasn't that good. He looked overmatched. He's more of a spot duty callup and career minor leaguer.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse


Interesting...Another offensive defenseman.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 27, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

par for the course in capsland.

"If there is an offensive defenseman we will find him!"

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

getting rid of Sami also means one less NHL contract to contend with. Remember, you can only have 50 of them. Even if a guy plays n the AHL, but his contract is written with an NHL clause, that's an NHL contract. The Caps were hard against that limit this season (hence part of the problem that meant not getting Bill Guerin at the trade deadline), and while the loss of Kozzie and Feds means two less NHL contracts, I believe the Caps have signed quite a few guys, like Carlson, to NHL contracts since the end of the regular season. Sami is now one less player that they have to worry about when it comes to figuring out the 50 contract limit.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 27, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

I understand why the Caps would trade Lepisto. My point is why trade him for a 5th round pick in 2010 when the team has stated they are looking to make a deal for a 2nd line center and will use their young assets (excluding Carlson, Alzner, Varly, Neuvy, Osala, etc.) to make that deal. They now have one less asset to make that deal. That is what doesn't make sense to me.

Posted by: StikSav | June 27, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse


oh good we found a Russian Mike Green
Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse
oh good we found a Russian Mike Green
Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 11:33 AM | Report abuse

Oh goodie - the blogs is inclusive & let in a handicap stutterer.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 27, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Trading Lepisto has me scratching my head as well. Maybe picking Orlov made Lepisto expendible. looking at Lepisto's AHL stats and from watching him during his two stints with us, he seemed like he was worth more then a 5th rounder.
Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 12:26 PM |

If he was worth more, he wouldn't have been traded. U complained about Green & then u want to push a midgit d-man as a viable NHL-er?!

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 27, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Lepisto has much value to be part of any packaged deal. He doesn't have much upside. and frankly it was way premature for anyone (media, the caps, the fans) to ever think he was just next in line to crack our lineup. The longer he stayed up here the worse he looked.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Trading Lepisto has me scratching my head as well. Maybe picking Orlov made Lepisto expendible. looking at Lepisto's AHL stats and from watching him during his two stints with us, he seemed like he was worth more then a 5th rounder.
Posted by: The_Spear | June 27, 2009 12:26 PM |

If he was worth more, he wouldn't have been traded. U complained about Green & then u want to push a midgit d-man as a viable NHL-er?!

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 27, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

maybe he shouldn't have been drafted either. Hopefully this Orlov kid has more upside because he doesn't appear to have much size either. The kid Patrick Wey who does have some size admits that the weak part of his game is his hitting. At least Brett Flemming is willing to compete hard despite being a smaller defenseman. He's like Beauchemin. He'll scrap and won't back down.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

caps continue their very recent trend of spending a later pick on a scrappy smaller forward (i.e. Della Rovere). They pick Garrett Mitchell who had 14 fights last season for Regina.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

I believe the Caps have signed quite a few guys, like Carlson, to NHL contracts since the end of the regular season. Sami is now one less player that they have to worry about when it comes to figuring out the 50 contract limit.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 27, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

yep the caps need some contract space. They have guys coming into Hershey next season like Trevor Bruess (think Steve Ott) from college. Lepisto needed to be dealt both for contract space and to make room for another defensive prospect at Hershey

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 1:24 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1
So if Lepisto doesn't have the value to be included in a package deal, who are the Caps willing to trade that does have value? Lepisto has a pretty decent upside, he's got a great shot and has a potential to grow into the role of PP QB for the right team. Again, I'm not saying he shouldn't have been traded but if you can't include a guy like Lepisto as an asset in a deal with a couple prospects, a higher pick or two and maybe a guy like Flash, then who in the Caps org. can be included in that deal (that they are willing to trade)? What kind of trade can you envision?

Posted by: StikSav | June 27, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

good question Stik

-- off the Caps roster you could probably package up Flash, Boyd Gordon, and Schultz.

--off the Bears roster, excluding the obvious prospects whom you wouldn't want to trade (Carlson and Osala), maybe you'd get a small amount of interest in a Bouchard, Bourque or Perrault. For my money I'd throw in Alzner's name into the mix. I don't think he's an indispensable prospect and given the lack of other attractive prospects on the team he may be what you need to sweeten the pot on a package deal.

I know we just won the ECHL and AHL cups, but there isn't this incredible glut of prospects that every other team wants except for perhaps Carlson and Osala.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat (referring to an earlier post)

Panthers were lucky they got what they did. They were going to lose him anyway, leopold and a 3rd isn't that bad. Of course, they are regretting that they did not deal him at the deadline, when he had more stock what without not making the playoffs.

If they are not resigning Kaberle, Toronto better make a move quick and take what they can get because if you wait to long, you get nothing.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

how bout trading the phoenix pick and our second rounder next year for koivu's rights or kovalevs rights

Posted by: gocaps01 | June 27, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

If the reports are right, Kovalev is in and Koivu is out.

So, do we want Koivu?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

35yo center with progressive injury problems and a downward trend in points over the past 4 seasons and coming off a thoroughly uninspiring performance in a 1st round sweeep by the Bruins? of course we want him!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

c'mon Lepisto is not good enough to make the starting lineup and they got the the highest pick offered for his service...what you think another team offered the Caps a third round pick for Lepisto and they turned it down in favor of a fifth?!!!!!

Posted by: nativedc | June 27, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Some people are stuck on Lepisto being traded for a low pick when he was 2nd or 3rd round.

Just remember Pronger was picked 2nd overall. How many teams has he been on? If the player doesn't work any more for you, and there's a deal to be made that makes sense, you do it. No one is unexpendible. Eventually even Ovie. Maybe if the deal is right.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 27, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

Orlov is a great pick. Reminds me of Sergei Zubov by the way. Many teams shy away from Russian players because of KHL. However Caps have a huge advantage on the rest of the league because of our Russian contingent that is currently here. If this draft was 3 years ago when there was no KHL he would easily be in a first round.

Lepisto had no value. Teams have seen him play in the NHL and no one was going to give us anything for him. I am sure George tried to get something better.

BB is right everytime i watch him he is too Jittery. But aside from that we are loaded with NHL ready D in Hershey.

Alzner, Carlson and Sloan are all ahead of him on the depth chart. Also with Godfrey coming that pushes Lepisto even further out. We just have no place for him.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Mcphee, please get Savard! We desperately need a 2nd line center!

Posted by: O-V-P | June 27, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

We don't need Savard and his 5+ mil salary. Plus won't be a good fit. He is a First Line Center and we already have one. Savard is not a good fit for this team. He is a Nylander type of player in terms of circling around in the offensive zone.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

That doesn't make much sense. Teams got a lot of mileage out of Pronger. He was worth the 2nd overall choice. Just because he's played for what is it, 5 different teams now doesn't mean he was a bad pick at #2. Hartford got Shanahan for him, the Blues got a ton of mileage out of him, he raised Edmonton back to respectability when he was there, he took Anaheim to the Cup. He's been a big asset to each team.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

We don't need Savard and his 5+ mil salary. Plus won't be a good fit. He is a First Line Center and we already have one. Savard is not a good fit for this team. He is a Nylander type of player in terms of circling around in the offensive zone.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

did you just compare Savard to Nylander? Savard is a point per game player now who plays a hardnosed brand of hockey and doesn't miss any games due to injuries. Just because he circles around in the offensive zone once in a while that somehow means he's as useless as Nyles? You are reaching.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Pronger a Big Asset but at 34 he is not worth practically 3 first rounders Sbiza(last years) 3rd rounder and a 25 goal scorer. All for a guy who is in the last year of his contract.

So potentially Flyers gave all this away for one year. Also good luck now dealing with CAP. They will have to trade Briere.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

I Said Nylander type of player not Nylander. When Nylander was 29 he was pretty damn good

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

If Pronger takes the Flyers to the Cup this year then it'll be worth it for them to give up what they did. On the surface, yeah they paid a hefty price and I would not have wanted to part with a player like carlson to get Pronger. But that wasn't the point. GregS said that it was no big deal giving up a 3rd rounder in Lepisto and getting back a 5th rounder and he used Pronger as an example of someone who doesn't work out so you cut your losses and deal him. Its a bad example. Teams got a lot of mileage out of Pronger. We didn't really get any mileage out of Lepisto. Either way, I'm glad we dumped Sami and we got a 5th rounder back. I wasn't a fan of many of those draft picks - Lepisto, Hedman etc. Undersized euros on the blueline doesn't excite me much. And now we drafted this kid Orlov pretty high. Seems like another offensive type defenseman. Don't we have enough of those already? This is like Steve Spurrier drafting and signing 8 wide receivers in one season. Enuff already.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I Said Nylander type of player not Nylander. When Nylander was 29 he was pretty damn good

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

So why wouldn't you want Savard then if you think he plays like Nylander when Nylander was "good" ?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton1,

What do you have against Euros?

Last time i checked 3 players nominated for the league MVP were all Euros. Undersized at 6'0? Really?

Niedermayer 6'1
Kronwall 6'0 (Detroit)
Lidstrom 6'1
Letang 5'11
Scuderi 6'0
Markov 6'0

This is just a glimpse of players who played prominent roles in this past years Stanley cup finals and playoffs. I guess being undersized worked out well for them?

When you have too many 6'4+ guys you lose mobility on your back line. You need to have 2-3 good puck moving guys paired with some of the bigger guys. You can't have a team of 6 D who are all 6'3 and above.


By the way PRONGER is not what Flyers really need.

RAY EMERY? You seriously think that's their answer. Lets not kid ourselves here.


Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Savard would cost too much. He is a good player. But he is not a 2nd line center. The amount you would have to give up for him is going to be similar to Pronger.

Savard will cost at least 3 to 4 good players and picks. He is still 30 or 31 and really past 2-3 years were his best years. So we will certainly overpay for him. And paying all that for him to just bring him here to play 2nd line center is fullish. Also he is in the last year of his contract. And i think our priority would be to lock up a 21 year old center first in Backstrom.

So essentially we would bring him here for 1 year.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

From BB's comments, it also was partly about doing right by Sami. Pho will be so bad next year that their 5th is almost like a 4th.
Caps think he can play in the NHL with the right opportunity (BB of all people should know about this) and he was not going to get that opp here. The Caps would have to trade one of their NHL regulars, perhaps a pick, and one of the young goalies, to get a top flight center iceman. Who might be available? Brad Richards? Jokinen? Can they fit into our cap space?

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 27, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Whoever we bring as a 2nd line center will not have a big contract. 2 years max. We have potentially now 2-3 players who we drafted in the past 2 drafts that will be ready to step into that role in 1-2 years. Plus with Semin's and Backstrom's contracts expiring we have to be careful how much we pay to whoever we bring.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

this is part of the description of Orlov's game, from the Caps own site.

[Loves to join the rush. Not a good defender; struggles with strong forwards down low, not due to a lack of effort but rather poor positioning, a lack of physical strength and some questionable thought processes. But is a smart, instinctive player who can be taught.
Projection: Skilled, defensively challenged #5 d-man
Style compares to: A young Patrice Brisebois

The Hockey News (ranked no. 55): “The go-to on the blueline for Russia at the World Under-18 Championship, Dmitri Orlov is a classic high-risk, high-reward defenseman.

“A riverboat gambler,” one scout said when asked to describe Orlov. “He has a great skill set from an offensive point of view. His skill set will give him a chance to play at the next level.”

In fact, a number of scouts suggested the “Russian factor,” – the lack of a transfer agreement and the threat posed by the Kontinental League – prevent Orlov from being a much higher-rated prospect.

“he has the agility and the mobility,” another scout said. “I like the way he tries to make a difference. He’s a little erratic, but you’d rather tame a horse than light a fire under a guy.”

Orlov is small by NHL standards, but his skating, vision and ability to move the puck make up for size.]

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

now if any part of that scouting is accurate, forgive me but I don't feel that we're one "riverboat gambling offensive highrisk/highreward player" away from winning the Cup. That doesn't seem to be a vital missing piece of our puzzle.

I was thinking more like top 6 forwards with more grit and a couple more defensive blueliners.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Has any of you actually seen these guys who got drafted play?

some of you seem to get a little too excited over these players who will not play for the Caps for at least 2 more years or a trade involving a player in the minors.

Posted by: joek443 | June 27, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

this is draft weekend is it not? we're not allowed to display any excitement over prospects and future Caps? lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

well, remember that 99% of the guys picked in the draft this year will not be starting the season in the NHL. You're right, Orlov's not "the missing piece" for next year. The draft isn't about getting that guy that will put the team over the hump for next season--its about building for the future. Draft a bunch of guys you think are good, see what sticks, trade them if need be.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 27, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We can revisit our conversation on Orlov in 2-3 years. But the kid has great potential I watched him in Juniors past couple years. Obviously he will need to work on his Defensive skills but you can't overlook his skill level. As I mentioned earlier if the Russian Factor wasn't there he would have been much higher. And we have an advantage over most teams. Remember Flyers past on Varly because of that.

Caps and Rangers have a big advantage on Russian Players. Rangers very unfortunately missed out on Cherepanov who easily would have been one of their top players right away. The kid was amazing.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

a little excitement? cstanton1, you of all people need to take a chill pill.

there's no need to get all worked up over these players who you have even seen play. you're relying your whole judgement based on something you've read intead of something you've actually seen.

Someone needs to check up on the actual accuracy of these scouting reports to see how often they're right about these players.

Posted by: joek443 | June 27, 2009 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I remember Jeff Schultz's scouting report. Pretty dead on.


and regarding Orlov, no one's overlooking his skill level. Thats not the part of his game that concerns me. The Caps have a well documented love of offensive defensemen. Unfortunately, you need a better balance than that to be successful in this league. I think we draft 5 or 6 offensive blueliners for every defensive one. No wonder there's always so much talk in this town of the caps needing to make a trade for some bruising defensive defenseman. Its because we don't draft and develop enough of them ourselves. We always have to look elsewhere. Ditto with power forwards. Beyond Osala, who else do we have in the organization that bodes well as a top 6 power forward prospect?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Exactly these guys won't contribute 2-3 years minimum. Most of the picks drafted out of top 10 take few years to develop. Although Carlson, Varlamov, Alzner are on the faster track then most. It took Bobby Ryan almost 4 years to crack the line up and he was a top 5 pick.

By the way World Junior Tournament is a must watch if you are a hockey fan.

2010 Draft will have the next Ovechkin going first overall. Kirill Kabanov. Remember that name. Whoever has a top pick next year is getting the next Kovalchuk/Ovechkin. This guy is built like both of them and plays almost identical to them.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

so because they won't be ready for the nhl until 3 yrs from now its not worth discussing their potential or their style of play? wow, I wonder why there's so much buzz on draft day then. It shouldn't even be on TV. Maybe what needs to happen is players should get silently drafted and then the fans get notified about 3 yrs later. Then we can all get excited for real!

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Cstanton,

I think you are missing the point. If you are drafting in top 5 obviously you are getting a player who is ready to be an impact right away or 1 year away and you can project differently. As you get into the draft, some of these kids just turned 18 and are still developing and growing and need few more years to develop. It gets much tougher to project past the obvious choices. Reason Detroit has done so well is they pick based on SKILL not size many times. Look who they got in round 5-7. Likes of Datsyuk and Zetterberg and Fillpula. 29 teams passed on them 5 or 6 times around WHY? Obvious answer less information on European Players. But one thing is constant with European players is Skill. They teach Skill and Skating there before anythingelse.

NHL draft is alot like MLB draft. It doesnt have an instant gratification as do NHL and NBA drafts. Where NHL and NBA are drafting 20-22 year olds who are physically matured and ready to go to the next level.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

NFL and NBA i meant

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not missing any point. I am well aware of the developmental time it takes between getting drafted and playing in the NHL. The point I think you are missing is that there isn't anything wrong with projecting prospects based on what is already known about them. For example -- if a player at the age of 17 or 18 is already known as a highrisk gambling type of player who lacks the requisite strength to compete along the boards and in his own end, chances are those will still be his strengths and weaknesses in 2 or 3 yrs when he is closer to playing in the NHL.

I used Jeff Schultz as an example earlier. His draft report said he was a timid lanky player who skated well for his size. Has much changed in the last 5 yrs? that was five long yrs ago. His weaknesses are still the same. He's struggling to fill out his frame and he's timid as hell.

Maybe its time we drafted players who fit a different kind of bill. Players whose scouting reports read something like Nick Petrecki or William Wrenn. Not slowfooted lumbering oafs, but strong physically mature defensive defensemen who are physical, like to be physical, and are effective in being physical. They don't all need to score 50 pts from the blueline.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

We had a chance to draft Mark Stuart during a period of time where we really really needed to bring some defensiveminded blueliners into this org. We passed.

Then we got lucky and watched Nick Petrecki land right in our laps with the #28 pick overall in the 1st round 2 yrs ago. What did we do? We traded the pick to San Jose who snapped him up.

When we finally stepped out our comfort zone and actually drafted a prospect who wasn't offensively minded but who actually prided himself on strong defensive play, we traded him in the Fedorov trade (Ted Ruth)
I guess I'm a little tired of watching this onedimensional draft strategy. Thats all.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Shultz still has time on his side. 6'5 guys that have good hands are tough to find. We all know his shortcomings. But some take longer to mature then others.

Carlson, Alzner, Mestery(6'5) are all 6'2 and above. Goddfrey is just a human missile.

What we need is a puck mover that is able to get our transition game going. Green can't play 30 min every night. Boudreau's up tempo game requires guys that can move the puck well. We had Federov playing back there numerous times this year.

Also in 2-3 years Our D may look more like

Green, Alzner, Carlson, Godfrey, Orlov and Mestery.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Joe Finley.

I liked the blog better before it was Cstanton1 Insider.

Posted by: thiazzi | June 27, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

As long as we have Ovie, Backstrom, Semin and Green. We will be an offensive minded team that will need to have puck movers to get the puck out of our defensive zone and get the transition game going.

If we did not have Ovie, Backs, Semin. Then we would look more like a Minnesota Wild team that has the likes of Burns and Foster. Big stay home guys. But that works for Wild because they are Defensive minded team that wins games 3-2 and 2-1. We have way too much skill to play like that. Therefore we draft to cater to our playing style.

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Joe Finley.

I liked the blog better before it was Cstanton1 Insider.

Posted by: thiazzi | June 27, 2009 4:23 PM

LOL

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

lightshow,

it doesn't matter what style you play, you still need solid stay-at-home defensive defensemen.

as much as the Caps are offensive minded, they're nothing comapared to the Edmonton Oilers of the 1980's. Even they needed those D-men like Kevin Lowe and Charlie Huddy.

Posted by: joek443 | June 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

lightshow,

it doesn't matter what style you play, you still need solid stay-at-home defensive defensemen.

as much as the Caps are offensive minded, they're nothing comapared to the Edmonton Oilers of the 1980's. Even they needed those D-men like Kevin Lowe and Charlie Huddy.

Posted by: joek443 | June 27, 2009 4:49 PM | Report abuse

Lowe, Huddy, Muni, Steve Smith etc.

lol on the insider comment, touche

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

btw Joe Finley, I sure hope he makes it but man does he look slow. His footspeed and balance don't look real good.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 27, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Savard has 1 yr at $5 million left on his contract. He would be a great acquisition and then you can pick and choose between him and semin as to who you want to keep in addition to Backstrom.

Posted by: O-V-P | June 27, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

when I say solid, I don't mean they're any less valuable than flashy offensive players. they're just as important in winning as goal scorers on your team.

Every great team needs to have a defensive backbone on the team. The Bruins had Bobby Orr and later Ray Bourque, the Canadiens had Larry Robinson, the Islanders had Denis Potvin, the Oilers had Kevin Lowe, the Devils had Scott Stevens, the Stars had Derian Hatcher, the Avalanche had Adam Foote, the Ducks had Pronger, the Redwings have Lidstrom and the Pens have Orpik and Scuderi.

Untill Mike Green is as good in his own zone as he's in the other team's zone, the Caps don't have one just yet.

Posted by: joek443 | June 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Right Savard will be 32 and Semin 26. That's a tough choice. Talk about undersized. Savard is 5'10.

Also as I said earlier. He will cost us 3 to 4 good players and picks. For a possibly one year. Great Deal!

Posted by: lightshow | June 27, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Probably GMGM can trade some pick to Nashville for Radulov's rights. This will give us one more free NHL contract slot and the possibility to attract Radulov actually.

Posted by: Rambutan_ru | June 27, 2009 6:57 PM | Report abuse

Tarik:
Any info on who got qualifying offers?

Posted by: NovaCath | June 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

Last I heard - outscoring the other team is the name of the game cstanton.

Posted by: Rocc00 | June 30, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

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