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Draft weekend notes

Greetings from Los Angeles.

The 2010 entry draft is finally upon us, and word around Staples Center is that it could be a memorable one for player movement. And I'm not talking about prospects.

George McPhee acknowledged the fact that there's been plenty of chatter among GMs this week. He downplayed the chances of the Caps making a big splash (doesn't he always?) but wouldn't rule out making moves, either.

After checking out the story I wrote for today's paper, come back for a few additional items of interest that had to be cut for space reasons. (I hear something was going on with Wizards last night.)

*In the estimation of McPhee and his staff, this year's draft drops off after the consensus top two picks forwards Taylor Hall and Tyler Seguin, then drops off significantly again in the next round. Edmonton and Boston hold the first and second picks.

"It doesn't seem to a real strong draft after the midpoint of the second round, not like in past years," he said. "That's how our group feels. But we'll keep scratching away hoping we can find a player."

*The Caps' first pick is No. 26 (that's tied for the latest pick they've ever had) and McPhee, as usual, wasn't tipping his hand.

The sentimental pick, though, would be Jarred Tinordi, the son of former Cap Mark Tinordi. The 6-foot-6, 205-pound defenseman is the 38th-ranked North American skater, according to Central Scouting. But there's no guarantee he'll be around when the Caps make their first-round selection.

McPhee said the younger Tinordi was among the 150 prospects he and his staff interviewed and was impressed.

"He's a real quality kid and he'll do well in this draft," McPhee said.

*The NHL and the players' association announced yesterday that the salary cap ceiling will increase to 59.4 million from $56.8 million. While that will provide the Caps with some extra breathing room, it doesn't change their offseason strategy.

"We expected the union to extend the [collective bargaining agreement through the 2011-2012 season] and we expected them to use the five-percent escalator," McPhee said. "So we had that factored into all of our projections."

*The board of governors last night approved a new headshot rule. The penalty will be called "illegal check to the head", draw a five-minute major and an automatic game misconduct and a possible fine or suspension.

*Asked about the team's free agents, McPhee confirmed that he plans to/already has sent qualifying offers to all nine of the organizations RFAs, including current Caps Tomas Fleischmann, Eric Fehr, Boyd Gordon and Jeff Schultz. No surprise there.

"If they haven't gotten them yet, they will," McPhee said.

*All of the players chosen this weekend will be invited to the Caps' development camp July 11-17 at Kettler Capitals Iceplex.

I'll have more updates later, so be sure to check back.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 25, 2010; 6:33 AM ET
 
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Comments

make us proud Georgie!!!! LETS GO CAPS! man i cant wait till the season starts!

Posted by: bigBinMd | June 25, 2010 6:58 AM | Report abuse

Don't pull an Ernie Grunfeld, GMGM!

Posted by: sargeantmofo | June 25, 2010 7:56 AM | Report abuse

I don't know anything about Tinordi but the thought of yet another "sentimental" pick makes me feel uneasy after Werner and Gus. Afterwards they'll say that he just happened to be the best player available. 6 foot 6 does sound good though....

Posted by: MeinMann | June 25, 2010 8:02 AM | Report abuse

The Caps absolutely need a mean defenseman to go along with Green to keep other teams honest. ShaMo and Schultz are not the answer, and I doubt Alzner is either. Flash and Semin are great trade bait there.

A good veteran center would be nice to sign for the second line. I like Madano if he has gas in the tank for one last run as prospects get ready in Hershey for the 2nd line. The Caps can shuttle in a young center to spell Madano, whose playoff experience would help the Caps a lot.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | June 25, 2010 8:06 AM | Report abuse

I would've let Boyd Gordon walk...

Posted by: butcherbaker | June 25, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

I am incredibly concerned that McPhee thinks this team has what it takes to win the cup. He just seems to be out of touch.

Also agree, no reason to tender Boyd Gordon.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 25, 2010 8:25 AM | Report abuse

While Tinordi would be a sentimental pick he is still any absolute stud of a D-man. He was captain of the USA under 18 and is a bruiser like Mark was. Grabbing baby Gus was a stretch a few years back but this guy wouldn't be. Grab him.

Posted by: jake81 | June 25, 2010 8:28 AM | Report abuse

I have a feeling something big is coming. And not just a 6'6" defenseman.

Posted by: nicko | June 25, 2010 8:44 AM | Report abuse

how would you feel about savard being a second line center?

Posted by: jay18 | June 25, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

how would you feel about savard being a second line center?

Posted by: jay18 | June 25, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

When it comes to Tinordi, I have never seen him play, but have heard good things. That being said, all 3 mock drafts on NHL.com have him going late 1st round - so it's definitely not just sentimentality on McPhee's part. Unfortunately, all 3 have him projected as being picked before the Caps have their 1st.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 25, 2010 9:27 AM | Report abuse

"It doesn't seem to a real strong draft after the midpoint of the second round, not like in past years," he said.

Hahaha, I dont think the Caps have drafted anyone past the middle of the 2nd round that has actually made it in the NHL in at least 10 years.

Posted by: hatrik22 | June 25, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

hatrik22,

How about Matty P?

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 9:54 AM | Report abuse

DO DA DAMN THING GMGM!!!

When did this character limit come about?

I guess I need to post more often!

GO CAPS!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 10:00 AM | Report abuse

flash stinks, so lets hope the offer is way low. Flash stinks. get rid of the bum. he belongs in the KHL.

Posted by: doughless | June 25, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

"defenseman with snarl"

yawn. Been waitin for this to happen for 12 yrs now.

"We've done a very good job of picking players when you look at what we've done late in the first round the last four or five years; we've done exceptionally well," McPhee said. "

Exceptionally well! This guy is his own best PR person. If there's a mic around McPhee will find it to sing his own praises.

in the last 5 yrs his statement holds true for 60% of it (3 of 5). I guess he likes to operate on the 60% principle a lot.

2005- Pokulok/Finley (this is "exceptional"?)


2007 - Godfrey (I'm assuming McPhee is referring to Godfrey here even though Godfrey was early in the 2nd round). This kid is "exceptional" ?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

Hahaha, I dont think the Caps have drafted anyone past the middle of the 2nd round that has actually made it in the NHL in at least 10 years.

Posted by: hatrik22 | June 25, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

well, if McPhee said it it must be true. He could stand up and say the Caps are the best team in finding late round gems and it would get printed and no one would question it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

does anyone recall what we got in the Keith Seabrook trade? He was our 2nd round pick from 2006. Did we get anything more than a bag of pucks for him?

i'm still waiting for the "future considerations" we were supposed to get from Philly for the Berube trade 12 yrs ago.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 10:32 AM | Report abuse

I would've let Boyd Gordon walk...

Posted by: butcherbaker | June 25, 2010 8:10 AM | Report abuse

yes, that would seem to be the smart move to create some room for the youngsters from Hershey and reduce our cap size. But then again, are you really surprised?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 10:34 AM | Report abuse

cstanton,

Have to disagree with you. Flyers have short term gaims but where will they be in a couple of years? Overpaying for more UFA's because their farm system is bare?
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if that short term gain would've turned into a Cup, I doubt any Philly fans would've traded that in for a few lean years.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 10:48 AM | Report abuse

hatrik, Johnny Oduya, Sami Lepisto, and Matt Pettinger were all Caps draft picks 2nd round or later. Perrault also is in that list, although he hasn't proved himself in the NHL yet.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 25, 2010 10:50 AM | Report abuse

semin for kesler and a pick

Posted by: gocaps01 | June 25, 2010 10:51 AM | Report abuse

"We've done a very good job of picking players when you look at what we've done late in the first round the last four or five years; we've done exceptionally well," McPhee said. "

Exceptionally well! This guy is his own best PR person. If there's a mic around McPhee will find it to sing his own praises.

in the last 5 yrs his statement holds true for 60% of it (3 of 5). I guess he likes to operate on the 60% principle a lot.

2005- Pokulok/Finley (this is "exceptional"?)


2007 - Godfrey (I'm assuming McPhee is referring to Godfrey here even though Godfrey was early in the 2nd round). This kid is "exceptional" ?


Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 10:27 AM | Report abuse

here's a list of guys selected post #20 going back to 2004. while godfrey is a bust at #34 in 07, go look at how many games guys who were drafted ahead of him have played.
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carlson 2008 rnd 1 #27
semyon varlamov 2006 rnd 1 #23
schultz 2004 rnd 1 #27
green 2004 rnd 1 #29
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by my count, the caps have picked 7 guys between with pick 20 or later in the first round since 2004. four of those guys have, or will be, making significant contributions to the team next year. that includes a two time norris trophy finalist, the leader in plus/minus last year, and a rookie of the year candidate for next year. the 7 picks includes guys like johanssen and gus who are still a year or so away. thats a pretty good rate.

if you want to throw in godfrey as a near first rounder, how bout including neuvirth who was drafted #34 just like godfrey.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

i shed no tears over losing Lepisto. He wouldn't crack most teams' bluelines. And certainly not top 4. Always like Pettinger but he just got slowwww one year and never recovered. There's no reason he couldn't have had the kind of career Matt Cooke did. Both similar players although Cooke plays more on the edge. Petty should've been one of the league's better PKers for a long time and chipped in his 15 goals a year while providing some strong work in the corners. I liked his character.

And not holding my breath on Perreault and frankly, don't want to see an undersized player on the 2nd line. We need a bigger player at center and a stronger two-way player than MP is.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:00 AM | Report abuse

When taken as a whole...

THE WORK OF GMGM DOES NOT SUCK!

But in the event that it EVER does, you will be FOREVER remembered as the guy who told us so.

INCESSANTLY!!!

Take solace in that.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton:
Phoenix was a darn good team last year and Lepisto was statistically at #5 or 6 D... and second with a +14... Jovo Cop was a -12 for what it's worth...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

if you want to throw in godfrey as a near first rounder, how bout including neuvirth who was drafted #34 just like godfrey.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

how is this relevant to the fact I'm refuting McPhee's statement saying that over the last FOUR TO FIVE yrs his scouting staff has done an excellent job selecting late in the 1st round? Stay within SCOPE. Because I can easily take this discussion back 11 yrs and show McPhee's complete drafting record.

I'm only throwing Godfrey in the mix because I'm assuming when McPhee says late 1st round, that also includes the early 2nd round in the years we never drafted late 1st rounders. The fact is, we TRADED DOWN when we could've have Nick Petrecki at #28. Petrecki was considered a safe pick and he's on target to make the NHL either this year or next as a strong rugged defensive dman. We gave up our late 1st and the Sharks swooped in and got him. So that was all on McPhee. He had a golden chance to backfill an area of desperate need and he blew it off opting to trade down and then drafting yet another offensive dman.

re: Neuwirth, I have no idea if he's going to be anything special at the NHL level. That jury is still out. I'm not dismissing him but compared to Varly, there's a big difference in what they've shown so far.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:14 AM | Report abuse

INCESSANTLY!!!

Take solace in that.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

good, it'll even out all the BS that flies around here via the homers who think McPhee is infallible and god's gift to Caps fans. And the fact that local media is too clueless to pinpoint his mistakes.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:15 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1, Lepisto could make most teams as a #5/6 dman. Look at his play for the Coyotes this season. 1 goal, 10 assists, +14. Not fantastic, but certainly 3rd pair dman level. I don't regret losing him either, but to say he's not NHL level is to ignore the facts. He just needed to be in a system that is different from the Caps.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton:
Phoenix was a darn good team last year and Lepisto was statistically at #5 or 6 D... and second with a +14... Jovo Cop was a -12 for what it's worth...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 11:12 AM | Report abuse

Lepisto is not a top 4 dman in this league. So unless having him in our system precluded the Corvo trade last yr, I don't think it was a significant loss. Oduya, yes. Ironic isn't it, McPhee could never find someone after the 2nd round and he finally gets a real player late in a draft and opts not to sign him. effin brilliant.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse

"if that short term gain would've turned into a Cup, I doubt any Philly fans would've traded that in for a few lean years."

While that is true, they didn't win the Cup. What is also true is that they were so tight against the cap last season that they had no room to pick up a quality goalie. They also are going to be tight on the cap this year.

Why? No trade clauses and bad contracts. The only moveable player that they have with a higher salary is Carter.

To me, that doesn't say that their GM is doing that great of a job. Just an opinion.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

and going back to the Godfrey pick, besides blowing a chance to pick up Petrecki, there was also a lot of buzz about Aliu who we chose not to draft. PK Subban was considered to have NHL-level strength at the time of the draft and we blew him off as well. If I was really nitpicking I'd throw out Caputi's name too but I hadn't heard of him at the time so I'll leave that to hindsight being 20-20.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:21 AM | Report abuse

What I wouldn't give to have Briere on the team now.

I think if he was made available, teams may line up.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 25, 2010 11:25 AM | Report abuse

To me, that doesn't say that their GM is doing that great of a job. Just an opinion.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 11:20 AM | Report abuse

its not an invalid opinion. But think about it. The Flyers were the outright joke of the NHL 3 yrs ago when Holmgren got the job. To take them from that to the playoffs (2nd round losing to the eventual Eastern Conf champs), then to the playoffs again (losing to the Cup Champs), then to the Finals this year - you don't do that with blind luck and just a reckless abandon with payroll. The Caps threw money at some guys and got nowhere several yrs ago. The Ravens rolled the dice in the NFL and got a trophy out of it and ended up with a bare cupboard and having to rebuild but they were willing to take that chance. I give the Flyers credit for the success they've had very quickly. And the same way that no one expected them to do anything for several yrs, I don't discount that team's ability to take steps to prevent a long downslide. That's only an assumption for now. And they do have a couple of strong young kids like Bourdon and Marshall who haven't cracked their roster yet along with the Girouxs, Richards etc.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:27 AM | Report abuse

"how is this relevant to the fact I'm refuting McPhee's statement saying that over the last FOUR TO FIVE yrs his scouting staff has done an excellent job selecting late in the 1st round? Stay within SCOPE. Because I can easily take this discussion back 11 yrs and show McPhee's complete drafting record. "

cstanton1, of the late 1st round picks from 2005-2009, 2 are on the Caps (Varly and Carlson) and 3 are in development (Gus, Finley and MJ). So how is McPhee's statement not true? Especially when MJ could very well be a Cap in the next couple years, and so could Finley.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

Briere is good and most teams would like to have him on their roster, but ust not at the salary he is currently making. That is too much for a 2nd line center, IMO.

Posted by: sgm3 | June 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Why? No trade clauses and bad contracts. The only moveable player that they have with a higher salary is Carter.
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this i grant you Steve (along with eating some dead space on a miscalculation via the Randy Jones contract). But despite this, they've been able to make it work so far and exceeded everyone's expectations.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:30 AM | Report abuse

If your intent is to "out post" the "McPhee Worshipers", I think you can stop the hate now.

You have a very comfortable lead.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1, of the late 1st round picks from 2005-2009, 2 are on the Caps (Varly and Carlson) and 3 are in development (Gus, Finley and MJ). So how is McPhee's statement not true? Especially when MJ could very well be a Cap in the next couple years, and so could Finley.

Posted by: timmyv38 | June 25, 2010 11:30 AM

now you're spinning things a bit Timmy. Gus and Finley are considered to be busts or at worst, long term project players who will probably have to play at a lower position then they were drafted at. MJ is an unknown at this point even though the buzz about him may be more promising than it is with Anton (who also has an injury history). Pokulok was a horrible pick. Godfrey can't break out of the ECHL. The only players who fit McPhee's statement are Carlson, Varly and possibly Neuwirth.
Jury's out on Bouchard as well although I think he has shown some positive signs this past yr. He still is a long way from being a 2 way player.

We won't even talk about Eric Mestery and Keith Seabrook.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

If your intent is to "out post" the "McPhee Worshipers", I think you can stop the hate now.

You have a very comfortable lead.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 11:31 AM | Report abuse

well if i just sat here and posted "i hate McPhee" over and over again you may have a point. Considering I attempt to back up everything I say with details and as many facts as possible, I consider my postings to be more valid than a simple hate-fest.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:39 AM | Report abuse

The Philly decline was for just one season. It was pretty bloody sharp as well. 2003 to 2006 (less the missing season) they were over 100 points each year, then fell off to 56 for 2007 and back up to 95 for 2008, 99 for 2009.

This wasn't a lengthy rebuild, they had one blip on the radar epic crappy season, boughts some UFA's and moved on.

Didn't they also trade Forsberg to Nash? I'm trying to remember when they pulled the plug on 2007.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 11:43 AM | Report abuse

but in the interest of the public and because today's Friday and everyone deserves a break at some point, I will refrain from McPhee-bashing for a few days. Well I will make a valiant attempt anyway.

Consider this an early xmas present to my fellow Cap fans.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:44 AM | Report abuse

CSTANTON - why do you hold GMGM to levels that no other GM is held to (in your mind)in this league. What about the other 29 GM's that had countless picks to get Zetterberg and Datsyuk?

The fact of the matter is you're drafting KIDS. Kids that are anywhere from 18-22 yrs old not like the NFL who picks kids that aren't any younger than 21. Some hit some miss it's a part of the game.

Every GM in this league both current and past has players they missed on and found diamonds in the rough.

Remember you're critisizing a GM who was nominated as Exec of the year who also built a President Cup winning team FROM SCRATCH in short order & I dare say a Stanley Cup isn't too far in the distant future.

Facts are facts like you say but the fact of the matter is EVERY GM misses and our GM has hit more than he's missed in the past 5yrs which is why we're a Cup contending team instead of just trying to assemble a team to make the playoffs.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | June 25, 2010 11:45 AM | Report abuse

Facts are facts like you say but the fact of the matter is EVERY GM misses and our GM has hit more than he's missed in the past 5yrs which is why we're a Cup contending team instead of just trying to assemble a team to make the playoffs.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208

I think the real question now is will he do what he needs to do to get us over the top.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 25, 2010 11:48 AM | Report abuse

good memory, yeah the Flyers traded Forsberg for Upshall (who turned into Carcillo for salary cap reasons), Parent (who turned into Hamhuis), and a 1st round pick (who was given back to the Preds in the deal for Hartnell/Timmonen)

so yeah, another good deal. Although as much as I like Carcillo, I was even a bigger fan of Upshall's style of play.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Facts are facts like you say but the fact of the matter is EVERY GM misses and our GM has hit more than he's missed in the past 5yrs which is why we're a Cup contending team instead of just trying to assemble a team to make the playoffs.
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speaking of (and I'm not bashing) facts, McPhee's tendencies will cause him to miss out on certain TYPES of players because he doesn't favor that element. He'll inordinately select a skill/finesse type player who most likely lacks nhl-level strength, over a guy more suited to the rigors of the nhl. GM's have tendencies and McPhee can't/won't escape his.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Thing is, around the 3rd or 4th time I read:

"Pokulok was a horrible pick."
"This guy is his own best PR person."
"Sometimes you have to save McPhee from himself."
"He will however spend numerous draft picks trying to find the next finesse skill player."
etc.
etc.
etc.

...it starts to look like this:

top:
"i hate McPhee"
"i hate McPhee"
"i hate McPhee"
"i hate McPhee"
return to top;

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 11:56 AM | Report abuse

the one positive trend I see is drafting better role players in the late rounds. That was something we didn't do a good job of before. Last 2 yrs we've drafted and showed interest in 2 kids who hopefully will one day fill out our bottom 2 lines and both are tough-minded character guys in Garrett Mitchell and SDR. SDR is more of an agitator/big hitter while Mitchell is a guy who is a checking line prospect who is strong on his skates and provides some team toughness. Always good to inject some youthful enthusiasm in the form of hardnosed wingers.

I hope that the success in drafting that type of player in the last 2 yrs will encourage the Caps to keep drafting these guys in the mid-to-late rounds.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Tarik is going to be a guest on Japers' Rink Radio Saturday morning at 10 am to talk about the draft, trades and free agency. Catch the show live at www.blogtalkradio.com/japersrinkradio and on the archives at the same place or on itunes.

You can also check out last weeks show where we talked to Karl Alzner about Hershey, the Caps and his draft day experience. We also talked to TSN.ca's Scott Cullen about the Caps off-season plan and the draft, including Hall, Seguin and Jarred Tinordi.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

Facts are facts like you say but the fact of the matter is EVERY GM misses and our GM has hit more than he's missed in the past 5yrs which is why we're a Cup contending team instead of just trying to assemble a team to make the playoffs.
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speaking of (and I'm not bashing) facts, McPhee's tendencies will cause him to miss out on certain TYPES of players because he doesn't favor that element. He'll inordinately select a skill/finesse type player who most likely lacks nhl-level strength, over a guy more suited to the rigors of the nhl. GM's have tendencies and McPhee can't/won't escape his.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:53 AM |

LOL, case in point, and I didnt read it b4 i posted.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

"Sometimes you have to save McPhee from himself."

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that was an original comment. No remanufacturing there.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:03 PM | Report abuse

Facts are facts like you say but the fact of the matter is EVERY GM misses and our GM has hit more than he's missed in the past 5yrs which is why we're a Cup contending team instead of just trying to assemble a team to make the playoffs.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208

I think the real question now is will he do what he needs to do to get us over the top.

Posted by: underpants2 | June 25, 2010 11:48 AM

I agree, and if we dont get over the top. There are going to be a ton of people joining cstanton1's hate group.

Heck, I might be one of them. :)

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Anyone hear anything about this?
Bears Playoff MVP Bolts for Russia

According to the QMJHL, it sounds like Chris Bourque has bolted for the KHL, apparently having signed a deal with the team Atlant Mytischi. There has been no press release from the Caps or much other news about this…I will keep looking into it.

Posted by: callejo1 | June 25, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

"Sometimes you have to save McPhee from himself."

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that was an original comment. No remanufacturing there.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:03 PM |

LOL, i agree, I didnt feel like diggin too deep.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Bears Playoff MVP Bolts for Russia

According to the QMJHL, it sounds like Chris Bourque has bolted for the KHL, apparently having signed a deal with the team Atlant Mytischi. There has been no press release from the Caps or much other news about this…I will keep looking into it.

Posted by: callejo1 | June 25, 2010 12:07 PM | Report abuse

The only players who fit McPhee's statement are Carlson, Varly and possibly Neuwirth.
Jury's out on Bouchard as well although I think he has shown some positive signs this past yr. He still is a long way from being a 2 way player.

We won't even talk about Eric Mestery and Keith Seabrook.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:37 AM | Report abuse

and the only player who fits your opinon is godfrey. throw in gus if you wish. but i think if you polled GM's and said you drafted carlson, varly and neuvirth with picks 20-35 but you swung and missed on guy at 34 with a couple unknowns from the last two drafts, they'd say you did pretty damn good.

by point of reference, the red wings (ken holland being on everyone's short list of top GM's) has had one player make any NHL impact out of all the players he's drafted from 2006-2009...and he doesnt even play for detroit anymore. his top pick in 05 has played three nhl games. their late first round pick in 07 is graded out as a D in hockey futures, just like godfrey.

drafting is tough, even tougher late in the first and beyond. by any OBJECTIVE measure GMGM has done very well in the late first early second rounds in the past five years. where he's failed has been in the later rounds where teams like detroit have done well...but that is truely a crap shoot.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 12:11 PM | Report abuse

dcsports--

his drafts lack the balance I would prefer to see. And consequently, his team lacks the balance I would prefer to see.

that
is
all

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

Lepisto is not a top 4 dman in this league. So unless having him in our system precluded the Corvo trade last yr, I don't think it was a significant loss. Oduya, yes. Ironic isn't it, McPhee could never find someone after the 2nd round and he finally gets a real player late in a draft and opts not to sign him. effin brilliant.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 11:18 AM | Report abuse
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I enjoy our conversations, debates and back and forth in good fun... and I respect that everyone has a right to an opinion... but IMHO you are way off on this...

Lepisto played the 6th most ATOI for the Yotes at 18:13
That would have put him 5th in ice time on the caps...

his +14 was 2nd on the team, and would have put him 5th on the offensively gifted yet defensively unsound (per lots of people) caps

his 11 points would have put him 6th on the caps, he was 7th on the Yotes

and all this done on the 50W Coyotes who scored 225 goals and gave up 203 goals (versus the caps 318 scored and 233 against)... ie: a team with much less firepower yet still successful defensively.

sorry dude but I think you out to rethink this one... he's clearly a #5 or #6... the stats and comparisons are hard to argue with! maybe not the #5 or 6 you would want on the team, but clearly Pheonix did...

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/statistics/?hubname=nhl-capitals

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/statistics/?hubname=nhl-coyotes

sort by Defense and then each column to see...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 12:18 PM | Report abuse

Say what you will about GMGM but his track record in the draft with guys late in the 1st round (Varly, Schultz, Green,Carlson, Neuvirth) and early (Ovie, Backstrom,Semin, Alzner and Fehr) is pretty good. After the first few players, it't tough to project how well 18-19 year old kids will develop. Looking at Carlson, I dout that other teams had him project as top pairing defenseman which he likely will be in next couple of years.

Bigger concern has been the FA signing and trades which haven't filled the holes on defense and a two-way 2nd line center. I personally think that both BB and GMGM's future will hinge on the Caps making it to at least the conference finals this year. No excuses will be excepted as the Caps should now be contending for the cup every year.

Posted by: wizfan89 | June 25, 2010 12:22 PM | Report abuse

count me in as someone who enjoys a debate where it focuses on the argument at hand vs a flame war--

Certain players are a good fit for certain teams. That's how I look at Lepisto. Considering the types of players we have and the players we had signed to contracts, imo there is no place for Lepisto on our top 4.

Now if you're making a case for him being on our 3rd pair, I wouldn't turn my nose up at him. But I prefer a more rugged/clean up your end type of dman on the 3rd pairing. They usually match up more with the 3rd and 4th lines for other teams and so its more of a mucking mentality you need on that bottom pair. He's obviously exceeded what most people thought he would do. But just like a Glen Metropolit, Lepisto is a specific fit for a certain team and when we already had Green/Mo, Schultz/Poti eating up top 4 minutes and Carlson/Alzner in the mix, I don't see where he'd fit in.

going into the 2010 season, with Mo leaving, would you really want a Lepisto type in the top 4 with Carlson coming up?

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:30 PM | Report abuse

@wizfan:
I think GMGM and BB have more job security than that based on the facts that they are doing what TL wants... putting an on ice product that sells the house out, is building from within for longevity, winning in reg season, slight tweaks for PO success (one hopes)

personally, the biggest off season addition is for TL to improve the ice at VC from bottom 5 quality to top 5...

if that happens, O... M... G... best offense on great ice? it would be amazing...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 12:33 PM | Report abuse

"I personally think that both BB and GMGM's future will hinge on the Caps making it to at least the conference finals this year. No excuses will be excepted as the Caps should now be contending for the cup every year."

This was imo their unspoken goal for THIS season. Even if they'd failed to win the Cup this year and they would've said all the right things about how nothing less than a Cup is considered a successful playoff season, had they made it to the Conf finals I think everyone would have looked at it as a positive forward trend. Moreso as a gauge of this team's maturity and mental tenacity.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:37 PM | Report abuse

there's no question in my mind that other teams with less talent in this league are more mentally tough than are the Caps. It takes a certain attitude to endure and persevere thru a playoff series.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:43 PM | Report abuse

callejo1:

Bourque has stated that reports to KHL are premature.

http://blog.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/2010/06/hershey_bears_winger_bourque_g.html

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 25, 2010 12:44 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface208: I don't always agree with cstanton1, but from time to time he does make valid, well reasoned points--especially on the occasions when his posts don't degenerate into character assasination e.g. "are you crazy or stupid? how else could you disagree with me?!?!?".

He has agreed to (relatively) lay off of GMGM for a while...so don't poke him, OK?


@cstanton1: Just a thought...if you liken a General Manager to a seafaring captain of old. He does the best he can to set a safe course for his ship. But can he be held accountable for a random shark biting off his vessel's rudder, or for a sudden storm coming up?. Probably not.

As an NHL GM, one does the best one can with the knowledge and instincts one has and the information and choices one is given.

But as is so often said on Wall Street: "Past performance is no guarantee of future outcomes"...So many times a late-round (or even undrafted) player becomes the League's latest "Who Knew?" story... That such a thing can (and does) happen is one of the many reasons why I love hockey.

Of course, sometimes a guy everyone thought would conquer the world (e.g. Lindros) ends up falling short.

While much of what you say is accurate, I, too am concerned that you seem to hold GMGM to a higher standard than the other 29 GM's in the league. Pokerface is accurate in saying that drafting for the NHL is unlike drafting for any other major sport--the bodies of people that age (not to mention their skill sets) are still very much in flux. Making the "right" choices in such a millieu is hard--even more so when there are so many variables to consider. Not to mention the facts that one team's "just what we need" is another team's "couldn't crack the lineup", and that today's "bust" may turn out to be tomorrow's "money" player (and vice versa).

I think its fair to say that many of the GM's throughout the history of the NHL who might be considered legendary were still not infallible--they did make some mistakes: They were good, yes. But they were also lucky.

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

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Certain players are a good fit for certain teams. That's how I look at Lepisto. Considering the types of players we have and the players we had signed to contracts, imo there is no place for Lepisto on our top 4.
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@cstanton:

I agree with you on the above, he was good fit for the Yotes but I'd want a slightly quickly version of Erskine at a lower Cap hit to be my #6...

IMHO, you really only need to have 2 Mike Green types on 1 team... having 3 D lines or 1 O-dman and 1 d-dman will only hurt you in the PK area...

2 Offensive Dmen (Green and Carlson)
4 Defensive Dmen (Poti, Schultz, Alzner, ???)

that, to me, is a recipe for good balance on the D lines...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

B-Mo on the Caps

http://www.theprovince.com/sports/Morrison+back+home/3199200/story.html#ixzz0rsZmbxiQ

"You can say what you like about how our season ended, how Montreal played, officiating, anything. But we were 1-for-34 on the power play and we went the whole series without making any adjustments," said Morrison. "That's just not going to work."

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 25, 2010 12:45 PM | Report abuse

who are some of GMGM's NON first and second rounders still having a productive career in the NHL?

better yet are there any??

Posted by: joek443 | June 25, 2010 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Ya Bourque is headed to the KHL. 2 year contract.

Use google translate from here:

http://atlant-mo.ru/news/news-atlant/20100623211826.html

Posted by: Fro_ | June 25, 2010 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Offseason plan:

Draft:
1. Try to move up and get Tinordi. He's a big, solid defenseman and he's a great leader. He also has played with Carlson.
2. Trade Semin for Kesler or another defensive forward (the oilers have a surplus of those, too)
3. DONT TRADE FOR SAVARD! Yes he only makes 4 million now but his contract goes until hes 39 and he most likely won't be scoring 80+ pts.
4. Trade Flash's rights- (he's just too expensive)
5. Look into moving Green

Resigning Period:
Sign Schultz and Fehr to multi-year deals. Sign Gordo and Steckel for 2 (both are big parts to our secondary scoring)

Free Agency:
Look for good penalty killers and a veteran defenseman. Also, try to sign Chris Mason. he'll sign for 3-4 million. He's a quality goalie with career stats comparable to luongo's

Posted by: gocaps01 | June 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

ouch on the BMo comment.

Guess that was directed at BB?


@Frank:
but I'd want a slightly quickly version of Erskine at a lower Cap hit to be my #6...
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I would too. I had stated a week ago that there at least a dozen tough guy dmen in this league who aren't considered big names who could do a better job than Erskine for less money. But Lepisto doesn't do what Erskine does, so if we're replacing Erskine lets do it with a tougher player than Sami.

And it doesn't have to be strictly a guy who only plays in his own end. Jim Wisniewski was a 3rd pair defender for the Hawks and he was looked at as a gritty defender though a tad undersized. Anaheim gave him a chance to show what he could do offensively and he's proving to be a two way defender. He'll hit, he'll scrap, he'll defend his crease, and he'll rush the puck up ice. He's like Giordano.

I don't believe strictly in the 2 OffDman/4 Defensive Dman or any variation of scenario. I don't think there's a formula. I think ALL our defensemen need to be able to play well defensively and need to defend their zone with a certain degree of tenacity, whether they are offensive OR defensive dmen. There's also many examples of guys who came into this league as defensive dmen who have shown an offensive side when given a chance (Souray, Tinordi, Staios, DHatcher, Manson etc)

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 12:57 PM | Report abuse

tim kennedy rd 6 2005
johnny oduya rd 7 2001
sami lepisto rd 3 2004

total crap shoot after the first few rounds. which makes what detroit has done with filppula, zetterburg, holmstrum and datsyuk in later rounds so amazing.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Bourque = lifetime AHLer. he should go make some cash and pick up cheap russian blondes in Russia

Posted by: doughless | June 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Stecks is already under contract for a couple more years.

He and Gordon are big parts of secondary scoring? Could you elaborate on that as I just don't see anything beyond a checking role for either one.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

who are some of GMGM's NON first and second rounders still having a productive career in the NHL?

better yet are there any??
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Oduya. That's 1 out of 73 picks. So one guy past the 2nd round we drafted is playing at the NHL level. 72 players are not.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

sorry, i guess lepisto and tim kennedy (who is quite the fireplug for Buffalo) as well

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Matty P was a 6th rounder. Might stick at a 3C. Just sayin.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

maybe McPhee should run the Wiz instead, can't screw up past the second round in the NBA...

Posted by: joek443 | June 25, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

While much of what you say is accurate, I, too am concerned that you seem to hold GMGM to a higher standard than the other 29 GM's in the league.---

Rhino, I'll go back to my broken record of "balance"

When you don't even TRY and draft a certain type of player, you have no hope of developing that type, ever. So when the media and the fans are all hyperfocused on the 'aggressive snarly dman' that has been identified as a glaring need, we can't hold our breaths and hope that we grow one out of our system when such a low priority is placed on that kind of player thru the draft. Power forward prospects, big aggressive checking line wingers, and rugged defensive dmen are largely or completely ignored by the Caps scouting staff. So kids like Travis Moen, Ryane Clowe and the like will just never pop up in our system with any real frequency.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Matty P was a 6th rounder. Might stick at a 3C. Just sayin.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

and Andrew Gordon as well.

But you know, its still like 4 or 5% efficiency. Which if we had focused more on ROLE players in the mid to later rounds, we'd have a better chance of hitting a better efficiency. I don't hold it against McPhee that he couldn't unearth a Zetterberg type. But we could've found some better defensive dmen and quality checking line/energy forward types if we at least used that as a draft basis for who we focused on after the 3rd round. And frankly, to find power forwards to round out your top 6 slots, you need to draft a few of those types of players in the top rounds as well.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:14 PM | Report abuse

Yea, I won't argue that point with you. Not many finesse guys that will reach the NHL are found past the 2nd.

Posted by: Steve_R | June 25, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

In response to link posted by freakinandpeakin:


While maintaining that you have to take things said by someone who just got cut with a grain of salt, I don't disagree with his comments.

I'd like to think that if this team goes out this season and does the exact same thing as the past 3 seasons and gets the same results, that some serious housecleaning will take place.

Posted by: LesGrossman | June 25, 2010 1:20 PM | Report abuse

While maintaining that you have to take things said by someone who just got cut with a grain of salt, I don't disagree with his comments.
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and by the same token, those are also the only players who will truly give you an insight as to what really happened. Players currently under contract will never speak ill of the coach. So some players who get cut may have an axe to grind and may overstate some things. And in some cases they'll give you an idea of exactly what transpired.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:24 PM | Report abuse

the best and cheapest way to excel in the salary cap era is develop your own talent. they don't seem to have a problem finding offensive talent in the first two rounds of the draft but after that, they have found NOTHING under GMGM.

what's the percentage of non first and second rounders playing in the NHL right now? at least 50 percent of all the rosters?? that's where you find most of those "character" guys that no championship team can do without.

when you have to go sign those players developed by other teams, they always cost more to get.

Posted by: joek443 | June 25, 2010 1:26 PM | Report abuse

when you have to go sign those players developed by other teams, they always cost more to get.
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definitely true that they cost more in FA, and sometimes in trades when you have to give up a lot to get em. Some GM said a few yrs ago, that teams "always invariably overpay for toughness and character". What his point was, that if you spent some resources cultivating a certain element of player (esp in the mid to late rounds), that you could deal from a position of strength and get back good return from teams who sorely lack that element. Esp at the deadline.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:37 PM | Report abuse

as an example, Montreal identified a need after this playoff season--> they wanted size and toughness in players who could possibly occupy their top 3 lines. So the Blues, who have depth at that resource, were able to deal away kids like Ian Schultz and get back a top goalie. Most of the players dealt at the deadline and just in general are gritty guys. Fraser, Buff, Staubitz, Eager, Aliu all have that in spades. Teams are always looking to muscle up for the postseason so hardnosed forwards and rugged dmen are in order. No one's looking for enforcers, but they look for energy character guys b/c as Joek pointed out, those are the unsung heroes that can help a team survive the grueling battles.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:47 PM | Report abuse

slightly off topic but regarding of what happens this draft I think we all can expect the Caps to be drafting near the bottom of te 1st round from now on.

Ironically, in several years we'll get to see how our late round drafting compared to other teams late round drafting skills... like the Red Wings.

Let's hope GMGM, Mahoney and the scouts continue to do well in the bottom of the first round and also, hopefully turn some 2nds or late rounders into 'finds'.

overall, one of my favorite days of the year...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 1:52 PM | Report abuse

tim kennedy rd 6 2005
johnny oduya rd 7 2001
sami lepisto rd 3 2004

total crap shoot after the first few rounds. which makes what detroit has done with filppula, zetterburg, holmstrum and datsyuk in later rounds so amazing.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

3 players in 12 years is what you are going to hang your hat on? Three players who the organization didn't keep.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 25, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse


who are some of GMGM's NON first and second rounders still having a productive career in the NHL?

better yet are there any??
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Oduya. That's 1 out of 73 picks. So one guy past the 2nd round we drafted is playing at the NHL level. 72 players are not.

Posted by: cstanton1 | June 25, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

take a look at the overall percentage of players drafted after round two who make an impact in the nhl. i'd say it's about 10% or less. GM is probably below average in hits after round two, but it's not like other GM's are knocking the cover off it either. very difficult to predict how 18-19 year olds, some who play overseas, are going to pan out.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 3:32 PM | Report abuse


tim kennedy rd 6 2005
johnny oduya rd 7 2001
sami lepisto rd 3 2004

total crap shoot after the first few rounds. which makes what detroit has done with filppula, zetterburg, holmstrum and datsyuk in later rounds so amazing.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

3 players in 12 years is what you are going to hang your hat on? Three players who the organization didn't keep.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 25, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

not hanging my hat on anything. just answering a question. contributions after the third round are very limited and ironically none of the guys had any success w/ the caps. overall though, not too many teams have a high hit rate on such picks.

i really think alot of that had to do with the poor scouting this team had in place under abe and it didnt get addressed by ted until he started the breakup/rebuild.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Semin + pick for Savard, but Washington would have to take the Thomas contract as well. Mark it down!

Posted by: j3rockstar | June 25, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

an FYI:
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Interest picking up in Ballard

According to Bob McKenzie, Florida Panthers defenceman Keith Ballard is a highly sought after commodity by a number of Western Conference teams.
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http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=325674
Ballard's Cap hit is 4.2 for each of the next 5 seasons...
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/teams/players/bio/?id=3039
156 Hits in 82 games...
201 Block shots (3rd in the league)

Thoughts on maybe going after Ballard?

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 4:09 PM | Report abuse

@j3rockstar:

If Semin is on the table, it's highly unlikely you'll have to take back Thomas...

and it's pointless to acquire Savard at the cost of Semin... who's going to step up? Flash? nope!

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Semin + pick for Savard, but Washington would have to take the Thomas contract as well. Mark it down!

Posted by: j3rockstar | June 25, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

not a chance. not the caps M.O. and nobody is going to take that contract off boston's hand. especially not a team like the caps w/ two young, cheap goalies battling to see who's number one.

besides both savard and thomas have NTC this year. maybe they would waive it to go to dc, but you can be sure GMGM is not going to take on another big conract w/ an NTC like thomas'.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | June 25, 2010 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

I would think Fehr and Laich would be his wings.

Posted by: j3rockstar | June 25, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

We'll see. :)

Posted by: j3rockstar | June 25, 2010 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Why would you want to Savard he just signed a seven year contract and now the bruins want to trade him. they must think that the concusion will have long term issues.

Posted by: samb99 | June 25, 2010 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@samb99:

I understand regarding Savard but his name has been tossed around since the Bruins are likely to take Seguin, a Center and the already have 3 good Centers... if you trade one, then you allow Seguin to play on a scoring line instead of a checking line... just speculating...

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 4:31 PM | Report abuse

i think the more interesting piece is if Mike Fisher and volchenkov are in play as a package from ottawa. Savard at 32 for seven more years does not make sense.

Posted by: samb99 | June 25, 2010 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Another interesting rumor today from TSN via Spector - Philly can't get get Hamhuis signed and are looking into sending his rights to Vancouver?

Posted by: m4ilm4n | June 25, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

I'll agree on Savard, in the end.

Not too high on Volchenkov...

my list, in order:
Mitchell
Kubina
Michalek
Volchenkov
someone via trade

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 4:46 PM | Report abuse

I have fond memories of the unheralded D core we had not so long ago, when we werent scoring so many goals.

Same type of pairing philosophy BB uses where you had a stay-at-home with a guy with O upside.

Only the stay-at-homes were much tougher!

Remember:

Mark Tinordi, Calle Johansson, Sergei Gonchar, Sylvain Cote, Joe Reekie, Brendan Witt

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | June 25, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@wtf:

good memories... I'd be happy with that defense right now...

side note: where are all the people whining about GMGM not being proactive in getting Hamhuis's rights?

oh the irony if Philly can't sign him AND can't trade his rights to get a deal worked... Nashville gets Parent for free! LOL

Posted by: FrankM73 | June 25, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Not many finesse guys that will reach the NHL are found past the 2nd.
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This is a half-true statement: most Canadien-born kids have been picked to the bone at this point, so if they've slipped out of the top 2 rounds, there's a reason [obviously with some exceptions].

However, guys like Zetterberg (6th round), Datsyuk (7th round), and even Lidstrom lasting until the 3rd - they are out there, but most teams just don't have a deep bench of European scouts, or don't trust the ones they have. [Obviously this doesn't apply for guys like OV, Malkin, etc. - those guys have otherwordly talent, which you'd have to be blind to miss]. Even Franzen - 18 pts in 12 playoff games - lasted until the 3rd round. And don't get me started on Ville Leino - was he even drafted? - might well have been the Flyers' best player in the playoffs [21 pts in only 19 playoff games] to hear the guys who know tell it and to see who Q put out against him.

Who do we ever get, in the later rounds, that blossoms into a star? That was just one team, the Wings. And please don't tell me MP, there's a million guys who light it up in the minors and do squat at the NHL level, sorry, waaaay too early to put him on that list.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 25, 2010 5:13 PM | Report abuse

He'll probably hate that I'm saying this, but I really have to agree with cstanton1 on this one. GMGM does not live up to the hype - at least not compared to top GMs around the league.

Just to take one example, someone up top compared GMGM's draft record to Ken Holland's - but that is a bogus comparison, the Wings have been so good for so long they simply don't ever get a chance at the Ovie's of the draft (or Malkins and Crosbys, etc) But, they still find superstars, later in the draft. At a way, way higher rate than do the Caps - and I'm not sure I understand how that point is even up for debate.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | June 25, 2010 5:17 PM | Report abuse

nobody's talking about drafting "star" players in later rounds, at least I'm not... I'm just talking about character or role players such as defensive specialist/PKer who can actually do the job

as previoutly mentioned by others, they're 0 for 73 past the first two rounds under GMGM which is quite pathetic... under the current regime NOBODY they drafted after the first two rounds did anything for this team. even if they hit on 10 percent of those players they'd have several decent players right now.

Posted by: joek443 | June 25, 2010 5:28 PM | Report abuse

one of the best defensive specialists of the last 10 years or so, John Madden, wasn't even drafted. Lou Lamoriello discovered him when he went to see Brendan Morrison at Michigan.

it's no coincidence that teams like the Devils and the Wings have been always in the mix for the last 15 years. Because they keep finding players who can contribute in later rounds.

Posted by: joek443 | June 25, 2010 5:42 PM | Report abuse

As far as late round picks go, what about Della Rovere? Obviously, he hasn't proven anything yet at the NHL level, but it would not be surprising to see him get fourth line minutes in another year or two. Certainly a gritty player, and he has shown more than most players drafted in his range. And there has been some indication that Orlov is willing to get physical.

Posted by: zmega | June 25, 2010 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Orlov is a stud. I'm very anxious to see him in a Caps uniform.

Posted by: govtimbo | June 27, 2010 11:41 AM | Report abuse

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