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Dude, Where's My Hockey Team?

I arrived at Bell Centre in Montreal around noon ready to do my weekly online chat (it starts at 1 p.m.) and then watch the Caps practice. The team's travel plans, however, are not cooperating.

The Caps are apparently still in Boston because of an issue related to their charter service. I'm told that everything will be sorted out soon and the team will be en route to Montreal later this afternoon. But the Caps won't get here in time to practice. (Coach Bruce Boudreau said after last night's 2-0 loss to the Bruins that it was going to be a light skate, so I'm guessing the players won't miss much).

Anyway, I'm going to try to catch up with everyone when they arrive at the hotel and then write a story for tomorrow's paper. At least that's the plan. Also, if there are any updates regarding the injured players -- Alexander Semin, Tom Poti and Brian Pothier -- I'll update the blog when I have some new info.

Update:Just caught up with Coach Bruce Boudreau and it sounds like Alexander Semin, Tom Poti and Brian Pothier (as well as Chris Clark and Brent Johnson) will not be able to play tomorrow against the Canadiens. That means Steve Eminger will likely get into the lineup for the first time since Nov. 26th.

Pothier, by the way, acknowledged that he did in fact suffer a head injury when Boston winger Milan Lucic nailed him with a shoulder to the jaw in the second period last night.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  January 4, 2008; 12:35 PM ET
 
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Thanks!

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Carrying over from the last blog:

The Caps aren't stupid to trade a top tier athlete for a #1 pick. Alex is #1 I doubt they are going to get rid of Alzner as well - he may be the key as well as the other two goalies in Russia and the Czech Rep.
The guy is right though, you need outstanding D and a good goailie to get yourself deep into the playoffs.
You all forget - Pitt is only a good team now because they sucked for 6 years and have received a ton of 1st round picks. We have only sucked for 3 years... we are half way there.

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 1:05 PM | Report abuse

I heard that OV demanded a deal det done by month's end or be traded.

Posted by: Trade? | January 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: link to online discussion | January 4, 2008 1:09 PM | Report abuse

Do you ever get to fly on the team charter?

Posted by: Larry The Goon | January 4, 2008 1:10 PM | Report abuse

Correction - bottom of the barrel for the last 4 seasons...

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Trade?

I heard that the loch ness monster is real.

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 1:17 PM | Report abuse

Hey Tarik, any chance we will see you at Chez Paree tonight?

Also want to add that I can't get over the double minor issued to Green last night. I still think that was a phantom high stick.

Posted by: red dragon | January 4, 2008 1:22 PM | Report abuse

1) Don't believe ANY of the trade rumours when it comes to Ovechkin. There is a near ZERO probability he gets dealt, and a near 99% chance he's signed before July 1st
2) In fact there is a good chance a deal is struck at or before the All star break.
3) Regardless, AO is Caps property for another 4 seasons after this one, minimum. If they do trade him, they might as well move the entire team to a new city as they would/should cease to exist.
http://newfaux.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Fauxrumors | January 4, 2008 1:27 PM | Report abuse

I also heard that a retirement group in Florida is interested in buying the Chiefs. Anybody know if that rumor is true? It was right there in the newspaper, so it MUST be true...right?

Posted by: R. Dunlop | January 4, 2008 1:34 PM | Report abuse

http://www.kommersant.com/p-11846/hockey_sports/

"Alexander Ovechkin has refused to renew his contract with the Washington Capitals hockey team. He had received $7.5 million a year for the last five years under that contract. The Russian left winger will become a limited free agent at the end of the season, hoping to receive $10 million per year. That status will allow him to negotiate with any team, but if the Capitals meet the terms he agrees to with another team, he will be required to play for Washington."

Posted by: Refusing to sign? | January 4, 2008 1:41 PM | Report abuse

USA plays in 20 min... anyone know where they have the scores online - not after the game, but during?

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Tarik already commented on the Ovie signing and said those numbers weren't even true...all just rumor and speculation. Ted is not going to let that boy go and everyone knows it. They are going to have to pay him top dollar though which I think he deserves.

Posted by: K | January 4, 2008 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Listen to USA/Canada | January 4, 2008 1:46 PM | Report abuse

CBS is reporting this as well:

http://www.sportsline.com/nhl/story/10557453

He denied a 7.5 mil offer.

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 2:08 PM | Report abuse

re: Ovechkin's Contract

I have an idea: DON'T re-sign Olie and use the 5-6M towards Ovechkin. We can find poor-to-average goaltending for far less cash elsewhere.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

CBS Sportsline is not really CBS. I don't think they have any real journalism standards, you know, for things like accuracy.

Posted by: old time hockey | January 4, 2008 2:18 PM | Report abuse

All of those reports are based on something small that appeared in the Ottawa Sun last week. None of that is new info, it's just making the rounds.

@Red Dragon ... what is this place you speak of :)

@Larry ...I have flown on the charter once. And that was to get out of the way of Hurricane Wilma a few years back.


Posted by: Tarik | January 4, 2008 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

I was following your online chat. Here's a question for you. You say that you wouldn't pay Ovechkin a $0.01 more than Crosby. What would you do if Ovechkin refuses to sign for that money? Would you match if Edmonton, Toronto, Montreal (whoever) offered more? I guess not?

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 2:20 PM | Report abuse

"Correction - bottom of the barrel for the last 4 seasons..."-828

Add to that the lockout year.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2008 2:34 PM | Report abuse

The latest rumor is that Ovie is going to be traded to each of the Canadian NHL teams with his time spread amongst each of their home games (no trips to the US). We're getting Luongo for him.

The other rumor I've heard is that Semin is going to take the lead in the next Barbie on ice production.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"Tarik,

I was following your online chat. Here's a question for you. You say that you wouldn't pay Ovechkin a $0.01 more than Crosby..."-Finn

I disagree with this logic. A player is worth what he can get, not what another player makes.

I think the real yardstick is: "What are the Caps worth WITH Ovechkin and what are they worth WITHOUT Ovechkin?" If that difference is more than you're willing to pay him, you're only hurting yourself by letting him go.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

As I predicted last week, the rumors are getting much more numerous and have morhped into conjecture. e.g. from the 4-letter network:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/columns/story?columnist=buccigross_john&id=3179964

Say what you like about ESPN, but Bucci does love hockey.
If OV were to press the issue, at least this scenario might make sense (if it came with this years number 1 (Stamkos).
That said, let's get this over with and sign him already. At least come out and make a comment to alleviate the growing angst.
BT
I'm a bit tired of hearing about the great effort Flash gives every night and how much he scored at Hershey, bury the puck once in awhile. We have enough guys who can "almost score" (Petty/Brads/Brash/Koz).

Posted by: Shipdriver | January 4, 2008 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"We're getting Luongo for him."-Keef

In all seriousness, we're a playoff team if we have Luongo.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 2:40 PM | Report abuse

Sapper,

Those were Tarik's words. He said:

"I would give him more than Heatley, but not a penny more than Crosby."

Tha's why I asked the question. I think it is a good question.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 2:41 PM | Report abuse

@Finn

I know. I was quoting you but responding to Tarik's thoughts.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line to me is why rebuild through the draft with high picks if you only keep them for a few years and turn around and trade them for more high picks? That seems like a recipe for a neverending rebuild.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 2:47 PM | Report abuse

I just hope the Caps don't listen to Tarik.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 2:48 PM | Report abuse

I could be 100% wrong, but I have a feeling Tarik meant if the Caps are to re-sign him (IE, not match another offer) they shouldn't be giving him more than Crosby is getting. Again, I don't want to put words in his mouth, but that was my interpretation of his chat response.

Posted by: Jeff | January 4, 2008 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@ Tarik

Chez Paree is a great gentleman's hang out spot in downtown montreal on Stanley street below Ste-Catherine. Any cab driver will knjow the spot.

It's a must place to visit. All the greats, from all sports have been there.

I'll be there an will say hi if I see you there

Posted by: Red Dragon | January 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

With a slim-to-none shot at the playoffs, do we then become sellers again trying to unload payroll to sign Ovechkin and Green?

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 2:53 PM | Report abuse

@Sapper

That's kinda why I put that in there. It's definitely tongue in cheek but when you think about it, it'd probably help more than hurt us.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@Sapper - It may be that Tarik did not want to state an actual number, so he got around that by using Crosby's and Heatley's salary as a yardstick, rather than comparing the players' worths.

I may be mistaken but that was how I interpreted it.

Posted by: Jill | January 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

I hope you will answer my question.

Sapper,

No need to unload payroll. Just do NOT resign Kolzig and pray that Jagr is off the books. That frees up a lot of money.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 2:58 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@Finn, Sapper

When negotiating a contract, the first thing that a team does is present "comparables". Heatley and Crosby are the primary comparables to Ovechkin.

Here's another thing to consider: If the Caps max out Ovechkin, how will they pay for Green, Morrisonn, Alzner and get him more some help?

I know the Caps' finances are not a player's problem, but Ovechkin has to know that if the Caps max him out, it will limit his chances of playing for a winner.

Posted by: Tarik | January 4, 2008 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I really think they should give Olie a front office job so he can stay in the area and with the organization. But I sure hope we look for a younger, quicker (cheaper) replacement soon!

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

You are all FIRE!!!!
I have never heard so much non-sense in my life. I hope your life decisions are not made in the manner that you write about the AO negotiations.
For crying out loud, you guys are restless in your desire to demonstrate how ignorant you are. (ok. I am sorry, I do not mean to sound mean but ...)

Posted by: Joe | January 4, 2008 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Alzner goal!

Posted by: sean | January 4, 2008 3:10 PM | Report abuse

@Tarik

Even if you max out Ovechkin, that leaves more than 30M in cap space for the rest of the team. Any other team that gives Ovy an offer sheet for max would face the same problem.

On the other hand, my thought from a few days ago was to offer him a LONG term contract for big total dollars but a little below max (7-8M for 8-10 years, maybe?). I don't know if that would interest Ovy but I think it's more realistic than (and I'm not saying they have) offering him 7.5 for a short-term contract.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, but you know that if they wait until the off-season that Ovechkin will receive several max out offers. Its just mind boggling that they would let this happen.

Posted by: sean | January 4, 2008 3:13 PM | Report abuse

@Joe

Our desire to demonstrate our ignorance has only be surpassed by your desire to demonstrate your lack of social skills.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Not signing Kolzig and getting Jagr off the books will pay for Ovechkin. Or will they not want to upset Kolzig again and keep re-signing him until he's 60?

Secondly, the Caps will not sell tickets if Ovechkin goes. Leonsis keeps selling "Ovechkin-the-cornerstone" story. What will happen to the paying customer if he lies...again? ("The rebuilt is over"...anyone?) I doubt that Green, Morrisonn, Alzner will sell as many tickets as Ovechkin. And what about all the merchendise with the #8?

Thirdly, Ovechkin (his reps) should not care about Caps' cash problems. So lowballing him will not work.

And lastly, playing for a winner? Winner of what exactly? I love the Caps, but with GMGM they will never be a winner.

Ovechkin will sign for more money than Crosby, IMHO. The question is where? But I'd guess that without Ovechkin (and after yet another Ted's lie) pro-hockey will die here.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Sean, so what? If you believe the rumors, Ovie's not settling for anything else than max money anyway, so does it matter if he gets max money now or later? Until Lowe went crazy, no one was worried about losing RFAs.

Seriously, the max contract to Ovie is not the problem. We all know he's getting boatloads of money. The problem is Green. Remember, the big deal was Lowe offering contracts above market value. We need to be worried that someone will try to steal Green. Ovie will be matched no matter what.

Posted by: tallbear | January 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

...just to play devil's advocate here.

If we were to trade Ovie and get a winger, a blue liner, and a goalie and make it deep into the playoffs, does that kill Washington hockey.

I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Glad that Alzner scored, but... Lets go USA - get back in this game!

Posted by: jon | January 4, 2008 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@Keef,
That would totally depend on who they are but they better be big names b/c it's hard enough to get people in the arena as it is. I don't think that people will be drawn to the Caps if they are not recognized names-no matter how good they are.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@sappee
I am sorry I offended you. Did I put my tea cup in the wrong place? What social skills do you speak? This is a free for all area to make comments. You pointed your absurd theories, I pointed what I thought of them.
By the way, social skills are applied according to the situation. You would not want bring Ms. Manners to dine with a bunch of buffoons, do you?
P.s. My wife agrees with you. I need to improve my manners.

Posted by: Joe | January 4, 2008 3:33 PM | Report abuse

1) A good/pertinent issue/question is Green. His emergence, though great to see, can complicate the Caps off season payroll calculations. As someone mentioned he could conceivably get an offer sheet in the 5+ mil range. He's worth way more than Penner!
2) How many teams need a legit Power play QB? One who is 22-23 would be worth the draft picks, so it would make sense for GMGM/Ted to get a deal done NOW!
3) Of course we said much the same thing about AO last year. Guess GMGM and Ted don't read our blog. Pity.
http://newfaux.blogspot.com/

Posted by: Fauxrumors | January 4, 2008 3:34 PM | Report abuse

keef,

You will have to play an entire season for that to happen. Ted will have to sell tickets for that season. He can't sell a lot with Ovechkin here. How many will he sell without him? After his lies? How much money will he lose from Ovechkin's merchendise sale?

I am talking about economics of hockey. Tarik was talking about economics.

How many people will show up for Caps' games after Ovechkin is traded? Besides, how many of GMGM's trades have actually WORKED out here in DC? Go figure.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Hey Finn,

If I am not mistaken, Jagr's salary doesn't count towards our cap space anyway.
It only applies to Ted's self-imposed cap.

I think OV is the kind of guy who might be persuaded to take a bit less money, if he saw signs that the team were using that money in the pursuit of the Cup.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@Tarik
Maybe a good article will be explaining the ramifications of a costly contract given to one player while keeping a decent team together.

Posted by: Joe | January 4, 2008 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You know I'm kind of surprised that as concerned about money as the front office is that they haven't signed AO and Green. I mean it only stands to reason that they will be more expensive as time goes on. If I'm that concerned about money then I'm going to get my product as cheaply as possible which would have been right after the Crosby signing....

Posted by: K | January 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

More people will show AFTER the team makes it to the playoffs than do now. So what's another year of ticket sales pain? We should have several names emerge as superstars after that year.

Touché on the GMGM comment though. :)

Granted whoever we get in here would have to be proven stars.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@pmoravek,

I believe you are half mistaken. I think half of his salary (i.e., the portion the Caps still pay) does count agaisnt the Caps cap.

Posted by: old time hockey | January 4, 2008 3:40 PM | Report abuse

pmoravek,

After he signs an offer sheet from another team, GMGM and Ted can't come over and say "hey, take less money"

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 3:41 PM | Report abuse

@ pmoravek- I would have to agree with you, I definately think Ovie could be convinced to take less money if he were assured a decent chance at the playoffs. I wonder if gmgm screwed the pooch with this years signings though. As good as Nylander and Kozlov were supposed to be they haven't helped the team out very much which means the weight is still definately on Ovies shoulders despite getting some help from some unlikely places...

Posted by: K | January 4, 2008 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Keef
I'm not sure your trade plan would kill Washington hockey, but I think that in the short-term, there would be a huge portion of fan base lost.
You might get some of them back if the guys you accquire are good enough players to get you deep into the playoffs.
You would also then get the tradional "bandwagoneers" going too.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 3:43 PM | Report abuse

I have to admit, the contract talk is very circuitous around here. What makes any of you think that the front office hasn't tried to sign these players?

It's quite possible that they're the ones holding out, knowing full well they'll get more in the end.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Keef,

Proven stars -- "a winger, a blue liner, and a goalie" -- will cost more in salary cap money than Ovechkin.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Old time
I know we are financially resposible for half...but does it count against the cap?
I think Ted's biggist problem is that whether it applies to the cap or not...it's still comin' out of his checkbook.

Finn
Operative word there is "sign" the offer sheet from the other team. Hopefully GMGM has that discussion with OV long before there are any offer sheets to even consider.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Going further into the "proven stars" arguement...

Just because they were stars elsewhere, doesn't mean they will be a good fit here.

(See Jagr)

LOL

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 3:54 PM | Report abuse

pmoravek,

I am just thinking that Ovechkin will have a career year, and if GMGM follow's Tarik's logic of not offering more than Crosbytch got, Ovechkin will test the market. And then it's all fair game.

I don't think Ovechkin wants to max out his contract. I just think that he wants (and deserves) more than Crosbytch.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 3:56 PM | Report abuse

Keef
I'm not sure about the players holding out.
Were I a player I would want to get signed and get that first check cashed as quick as I could. You never know when you could twist a knee, pop an achilles, throw out a shoulder.

I'd want the money NOW.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 3:57 PM | Report abuse

10 mil for 10 years... just do it already.

I think OV wants to get the longest contract out there - which is DiPeitro... he wants to be the best, right? Just sign him longer than DiPeitro and get this madness over with.

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 3:58 PM | Report abuse

If Ovie were to pull a ligament and sit out for a few weeks, would that change his value?

I agree that there's insurance in signing quickly (especially when you're on a hot streak such as Green is) but I'm just wondering if the wrong folks are getting jumped on and for a change, this wasn't a GMGM error.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Godfrey and Alzner are coming... that will help the D.

I'm tired of all this contract talk. Someone just make a move and get it over with. Although, if Alex goes, I'm not a Caps fan anymore. I swear!

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 4:01 PM | Report abuse

"Proven stars -- "a winger, a blue liner, and a goalie" -- will cost more in salary cap money than Ovechkin."

Right...and we'll have left over cap, allowing us to get such a grouping.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Finn,

I'm not sure I want to argue that.
They are both undoubtedly the most valuable players to their team.
OV is on track for a career year in goals. He has a good shot at the Richard Trophy.
Crosby makes the other players on his team better. He is also the face of Hockey in Canada, not just his team's market.

Very different players.
Who is worth more?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Hey! Jagr was a star here...the star of suck.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 4:04 PM | Report abuse

828

Those guys WILL help.
But they will cost money down the road too.
(If they don't "Eminger" on us.)

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Also caught up with majority owner Ted Leonsis. He declined to discuss the negotiations with Ovechkin, but did say this: "We love Alex Ovechkin. He's the bedrock piece of the rebuild of our team, and I expect him Alex Ovechkin to be a Washington Capital for a long, long, long time."

That sounds great Ted, but do you know what is going on with your team? Let's break a few points down, First of all waiting to sign the Bedrock of your organization does nothing but cost you and the other owners more money. Why, because unlike in the past, your now dealing with a viable asset which will strike demand in the league. Waiting will drive the market up. So let's think why would the team wait? Why is there no news regarding the negotiations? Why is there so much discussion through out the league regarding the contract status of OV (the bedrock), and little to no news in the city in which this premier player plays? Because the NEWS ISN"T GOOD ladies and gentlemen. If you want to see OV in a Caps jersey live, you better get to the upcoming games because he's most likely gone at the end of the year or sooner. Why? Dick P. and gmgm's management wizardry!
So let's just rewind the tape a bit to last year when the re-signing of OV should have taken place. During his first all star appearance, mind you as a STARTER, the only Capital to start in an NHL ALL Star game since Langway, what does the classy Capitals do? In order to cover for Glen Hanlon and the organizations ineffectiveness, they ripped OV in the media! He's a defensive liability and they want to transition him into a Mark Messier / Steve Yzerman type player. The problem with making those comments, OV is a pure talented scorer. And the difference between comparing Messier / Yzerman VS. OV is the President's and GM's of those organizations Drafted and acquired Free Agent talent to compliment those players. OV is expected to Score, Defend, and Block Shots. As well as provide a Face and excitement to this floundering organization. Do you want him to sharpen skates as well? To OV's credit he responded and he did it. He made himself a better defensive player. How many times have we seen him making the DEFENSIVE play getting back and even protecting an empty net? Currently he is a +6, one of the highest on the team.

Now let's jump to July of 07, The Pens sign Crosby # 87 to a 5 year $8.7 / yr deal to shore up their bedrock. Why not immediately follow that up with an offer of 5 yr. $8.8 / yr deal for our # 8? Oh well, there is another plan in place. The Caps are going to build around him by overpaying free agent cast offs and wait. That's the Ticket!

Then, let us move ahead to the beginning of this year. Instead of taking care of the franchise player directly, let's show him our commitment to him in the way of continuing the strategy of paying other people in order to show OV, WE WANT HIM. Let's give a guy who has basically played one year with the club and also someone who turned his back on the organization a FAT contract. A contract some in the league see as an insult. BTW, this for a player who has since been in and out of the line up because of phantom injuries. How does OV react? He has played through injury and has played in every game so far without question.
These are just a few times where something could have been done, I'm sure there are more opportunities as the days went by. Could it be that during these times an offer or offers were made? Could it be that these offers or offer were that of the low ball variety? Please Dick P. and gmgm, tell us that you didn't try to make the CHEAP strategy work with a young league SUPERSTAR representing himself? What am I thinking is, that is exactly what you did, isn't it?
It's actually at the point where OV has no reason to re-sign here. Watch him play. He loves to play, he plays with passion, and he SKATES, HITS, and SCORES. Is he auditioning? He's exactly what every winning organization wants. And he's here. Why? A ping pong ball or the right envelope opened up in the Capitals favor.
Ted and Richard F., if you want this guy, you better fill your Bedrock in on the long term plan of your organization, otherwise he is gone. When a player decides to go the free agent route their minds are made up quickly. Perhaps you keep him by contract, but his passion is gone from the organization if it's not handled correctly. Dick P. and gmgm and crew are clueless. This situation proves that. They are over their heads and after many years of fire sales they never have shown the ability to buy wisely. That's the answer to your REBUILD question. When rehabbing a house, any GRUNT can do the demolition. That is what has happened to the Capitals over the past 10 years. You now need a BUILDER to start getting this organization back to its previous contending success. And there is a great BUILDER in London, Ontario with great history in this organization. Perhaps you may want to start compiling a Dale Hunter highlights DVD and show OV how that guy played. And then bring him to London and show OV how he coaches. It would help you in re-signing him. Right now there is no other reason for OV to be here. He has too much talent to play here for just the money alone.
If you decide to deal him away, I hope you are smart enough to have established knowledgeable hockey minds help you in evaluating favorable compensation for your organization. That would exclude anyone currently in your front office.
If OV is the bedrock of the rebuild, and you lose him does this mean the rebuild starts over? Oh well, at least we have Eric Fehr to look forward to.

Posted by: someone else who knows | January 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

If Alex goes, I am changing my blog name to 28 - oh wait, I'm not going to be a Caps fan anymore. How bout 87? eeeks, Crosby... hmmm, 23 for Milan Hejduk... that will work. I'm moving to Colorado - who's coming with me?

Posted by: 828 | January 4, 2008 4:08 PM | Report abuse

Keef
Jagr just pisses me off.
The only reason he didn't play well here was because he didn't want to try.
He's a pampered child who threatens to take his ball and go home if the game doesn't go his way.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 4:09 PM | Report abuse

keef,

What I am saying is that the trust of the fans will be lost. I, for example, stopped paying for tickets after last season. And I will not give Ted $0.01 of my money until the product is improved (read: play offs). Without Ovechkin there will be a couple of hundred of enthusiasts in the seats at VC. Who are we kidding?

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Canada vs. Sweden in the finals

From NY slapshot: 46 Godfrey is a Caps prospect. He and Mike Green will make an amazing pair on the PP one day.

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again.
This hockey business only makes money if you are successful at putting butts in the seats. OV puts butts in the seats. They will do everything possible to re-sign him.

The reason for the salary cap is so that a team like Detriot or Montreal cannot hoard all the talent away from teams that don't have as much cash flow.

It ain't perfect.
It needs some tweaks.
But that's the idea.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 4:17 PM | Report abuse

someone else who knows,

So many points I agree with!

*applause*

PS. Sharpenning the skates? lol Perhaps!

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 4:19 PM | Report abuse

OVECHKIN WAS JUST TRADED TO THE CAVS FOR LEBRON JAMES.

HE IS ALSO POLLING HIGH IN THE NEW HAMPSHIRE PRIMARY. COULD BE OBAMA'S RIGHT WING MAN..(No Pun)

Posted by: BREAKING NEWS!!! | January 4, 2008 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Guys, Gals,

What were we doing before Ovie and making the playoffs? Remember them? Sure Ovie and Crosby are the top two draws in the league but from what I can see, Was and Pit are not the two best teams in the league. There are some other pretty good teams out there who don't have either ya know?

I'm not saying consider trading Ovie, that is not an option but geez. A little bit of reality folks.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | January 4, 2008 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@Finn

I totally agree with your sentiments - it would take time to gain the fans back, or obtain new ones for those lost. It's not something Washington needs.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I would send Leonsis a nice email praising the team and our nice turn-around as of late...Also tell him not to bother asking for 08-09 ticket renewals until #8 is signed. If he gets 10,000 of those emails..you can promise #8 is a Cap..or the team moves to Milawaukee.

Posted by: SA - Town | January 4, 2008 4:34 PM | Report abuse

Milwaukee!??!? What happened to Kansas? I had the RV all gassed up and waiting.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

...just to play devil's advocate here.

If we were to trade Ovie and get a winger, a blue liner, and a goalie and make it deep into the playoffs, does that kill Washington hockey.

I'm just sayin'...

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 03:30 PM


Plus their next four #1 draft picks. And a bag of pucks.

Posted by: Steve R | January 4, 2008 4:37 PM | Report abuse

@pmoravek: Ted's piece of Jagr's salary doesn't count against the cap number for Washington. He counts against Ted's spending ceiling, which is more important.

Separately and to no one in particular, why would Mike Green sign a long term deal with us now? It would probably be in the Caps interest to lock him up, but if he continues to play as he has this season, he is likely to get an offer sheet from someone that exceeds and may far exceed what the Caps would be willing to put on the table for a 21 year old defenseman today. The risk of his not signing is much more the Caps risk than it is his.

Posted by: Fred | January 4, 2008 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Steve R,

Those draft picks at the hands of GMGM together with players we will get will more likely than not become a few bags of pucks.

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 4:46 PM | Report abuse

@828 - you recommend 10 yrs, $10 mil for Ovie, but then you also say the Caps should give him a contract longer than DiPietro's. Isn't his contract 15 years?

Posted by: Jill | January 4, 2008 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@pmoravek

"I'll say it again.
This hockey business only makes money if you are successful at putting butts in the seats. OV puts butts in the seats. They will do everything possible to re-sign him"

Playing devil's advocate, I sure do notice a lot of empty seats during home games. I think a winning team would sell more tickets than any one great player on an ok team ever could.

Posted by: Anonymous | January 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Let's start a Top Ten List on why Leonsis/GMGM have not signed Ovie. I'll start.

#10. Ovechkin who?

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | January 4, 2008 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Anonymous,

How many empty seats there will be without Ovechkin?

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Top Ten List on why Leonsis/GMGM have not signed Ovie.

#9. Nanking-2

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

#9. No number nine. Leonsis and gmgm too busy trying to fix Verizon Center ice.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | January 4, 2008 4:55 PM | Report abuse

@Finn,

That was me, jumped the gun hitting submit.

That would depend on
A) is the team winning or losing
B) are the stands full of visiting team's fans
C) is it free beer and wings night

If the Caps were getting 105 points year in year out we wouldn't be talking attendance figures.

Posted by: Steve R | January 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Bernie
#9 Dick P is too busy w/ the office supply budget and gmgm and his front office wizards can't find a pen.

Posted by: someone else who knows | January 4, 2008 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Could you tell who is Dick P. and Richard F. ?

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 5:01 PM | Report abuse

@someone else who knows

What do you think about Bryzgalov opportunity?

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Top Ten List on why Leonsis/GMGM have not signed Ovie.

#8. 10Million US equals 244Million Rubles. No way George!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | January 4, 2008 5:06 PM | Report abuse

Top Ten List on why Leonsis/GMGM have not signed Ovie.

#7. Not enought money left to buy more HDTVs

Posted by: Finn | January 4, 2008 5:09 PM | Report abuse

number *
Teds Cheap

Posted by: billd | January 4, 2008 5:11 PM | Report abuse

#6. Ted spent the team's remaining cash on Oreos.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 5:12 PM | Report abuse

#5. Worried that he's somehow stuck paying half of Jagr's salary for the next 5 years

Posted by: Bobo | January 4, 2008 5:15 PM | Report abuse

This just in. Alzner called up from Canadian juniors to play for Pothier, so that Eminger can sit more. Just kidding. Hope Steve has a good game, can get traded and get on with his career.

As for Pothier, let's say that we should get used to Erskine for awhile. "head injury"= concussion...

Posted by: old time hockey | January 4, 2008 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Yep. I know both of them.

Posted by: Tarik | January 4, 2008 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Assuming Kolzig's salary is handled one way or another and that Semin pulls it together: starting from the bottom up, how far up would GMGM go to get a top tier D man? (Not saying equal value, but at least as part of getting a the D-man)

Green
Backstrom
Semin
Laich
Pothier
Nylander
Kozlov
Poti


Interesting that we all seem to agree the org isn't Underpaying Kolzig for the performance we are getting from him now. I don't remember too many complaints at the time the deal was made.

Posted by: Hooray! UB the Krazy GM Survey! | January 4, 2008 5:59 PM | Report abuse

According to reliable resources, AO wants more money that the Caps can give him. The Caps are between a rock and a hard place because they are having trouble trading AO, the reason given is that the prospect team is afraid that AO will bring with him all the bloggers on this forum.

Posted by: x | January 4, 2008 6:20 PM | Report abuse

#4 OV is afraid if he winds up in the doghouse, he might have to live the rest of his life in Hockey Purgatory like #44

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 6:37 PM | Report abuse

So the reason Ted hasn't signed OV to a new deal is because the hot dog vendors get paid too much at Verizon Center. That's also why the ice is so soft. You see they are supposed to use hard water but you can only find that in the country. The city water is too soft.
Ted told me this stuff when we were both eating lunch at the Wendy's in Tyson's Corner one day. Well, he wasn't really talking to me. He was talking on his cell phone and I overheard some of it. It was kind of hard to understand him because there was a Vietnamese guy trying to order from a Hispanic guy at the counter and they got into an arguement.
This other time, at band camp...

Posted by: some else who thinkshey know, but doesn't know squat! | January 4, 2008 6:45 PM | Report abuse

[i]"Interesting that we all seem to agree the org isn't Underpaying Kolzig for the performance we are getting from him now. I don't remember too many complaints at the time the deal was made."[/i]

You obviously missed my 1,000 posts on the Caps Message Boards.

Posted by: Sapper | January 4, 2008 6:57 PM | Report abuse

@some else who thnkshey know, but doen't know squat!

Hey, man, that was me, the Hispanic guy trying to understand what the Vietnamese was ordering. That is funny, I was trying to understand Ted too, mahn. That was cool. did you get your order?

Posted by: opita | January 4, 2008 6:59 PM | Report abuse

Canada 4 - USA 1

All is as it should be at the World Juniors.
Had this gone any other way, the folks on NHL TV would have shut down the newtowrk for a week.

(eye roll)

Hey...is there anyway to get smilies on this thing?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 7:09 PM | Report abuse

smiley test:

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 7:17 PM | Report abuse

Nope, they're removing the image tags.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 7:19 PM | Report abuse

image tags?

We didn't cover that druing my seven years of community college.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 7:21 PM | Report abuse

The code needed to display an image...it seems like bold and italics work but that's all.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like "Computer Guy" speak to me.
Are you one of the dudes I call on the phone for help when I can't find the "any" key?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 7:36 PM | Report abuse

So what do you think the chances are of Emminger really wowing us tomorrow? I hope for his sake he can....he deserves to play..if not here then somewhere....

Posted by: K | January 4, 2008 7:42 PM | Report abuse

K
I am afraid that kid might be really screwed up in the head at this point.
Can you imagine sitting out all these games? He says he really doesn't know why.
He's probably gonna be gripping the stick too tight for a few games.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 7:52 PM | Report abuse

I hope he gets a few games...It's such BS what they are doing to him!!!! He may not be the best player but he certainly isn't the worst. Why don't we just get rid of someone like Erskine? I know he's gritty and will fight but he doesn't look like he has much skill. Who knows maybe I'm wrong b/c I don't know as much about hockey as I would like to.

Posted by: K | January 4, 2008 7:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey K
That's cool because with most people on this board it's a case of them not knowing as much about hockey as they pretend to.

I guess the biggest questions with Emmy lie with what's happening off the ice. There has to be some reason why they are holding him out. It could be attitude, it could be his work in practice, it could be that he has some personal issue. There is just no way for us to know unless somebody tells us.
Even if Tarik knew, it might be something that he couldn't say for some reason.

It's really a shame because a few years ago that kid showed a lot of potential.
I just hope he is not ruined.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 8:02 PM | Report abuse

On a positive note...
Caps prospect Karl Alzner scored one of the goals today that sent the Canadian Junior team to the final.
http://www.tsn.ca/world_jrs/news_story/?ID=226461&hubname=

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 8:11 PM | Report abuse

Sweet I hope he's up here next year...or at least in Hershey....

Posted by: K | January 4, 2008 8:13 PM | Report abuse

"any" key... Made me laugh, tks

Posted by: Steve R | January 4, 2008 8:31 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid I don't have enough patience to work phone support.

Imagine the words that come out of me when the Caps are cycling half of their PP away. :)

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 8:34 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad somebody laughed.
Evidently Keef is a tough nut to crack.
That was some of my best stuff too.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 8:37 PM | Report abuse

What kind of cursing happens when Nyls curls away from the play on a two on one?
(heh heh)

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Heheh, I cracked a smile. I'm sick so my funny bone's slow.

I need to pick up some of the more choice phrases when I'm in Sweden next so that I can safely mutter under my breath at games.

On the flip side, I should learn some words of praise for baby Back.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Sweden!?!?!

That's cool!
Do you go over there frequently?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I don't. I went during the winter a couple of years ago for a little bit and fell in love with the country. I'm going back to spend some more time there this spring.

I understand while Nyles isn't sure whether or not he'll stay in the States when he retires.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I like to travel quite a bit. But Sweden is still on the "must visit" list.

If you have the same cold/flu that I have, I can help you.
Take a hit of Nyquil and then wash it down with some Jack Daniels (or Maker's Mark if you are an aristocrat)
You will still feel like crud...you just won't care.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 8:53 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, it's a cold that feels like the flu...had it bad yesterday with the coughing and now today it's the aches and congestion.

Was staying away from the strong medicine until it went away but I'll head over to the cabinet now. Scotch all the way.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 8:56 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, going back to AO contract.

I have a question for all of you:

Suppose AO is offered circa 8.8M for 8+ years (reasoning: keep enough room to keep Backtstrom, Green, get a decent veteran D), but another team offers him more (like 10M). Then suppose AO goes with the higher offer. What would be your comment? Would you be upset at Ted/GMGM or AO?

I would be upset at GMGM for not being able to sign him, and a bit at AO for wanting too much and "betray" us.


Posted by: mauree | January 4, 2008 9:01 PM | Report abuse

Scotch...eh?
You are too hard core for me Dude!

I've got the exact same thing I think. That's why I'm hangin' on the sofa, keeping an eye on the Buffalo and Philly games. They are both losing so hopefully we can make up some points in the standings.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

my csi skills tell me that someone else who know = puckguru.

one fact surrounded by lots of extrapolations and half truths, wrapped up in a warm torilla of half baked opinions and unsubstantiated hearsay, topped with a warm dollop of CAPITAL LETTERS all dipped in deep dark hatred of the cap's front office. served on a plate of self important bloviating. with a side of attempted sarcastic humor.

yeah, i recognize that dish.

Posted by: Cap Fan 1 | January 4, 2008 9:03 PM | Report abuse

Mauree...good to hear from ya.
Join us here on the respective sofas!

I would think OV can still sign for whoever he wants. Reguardless of whatever offer sheets are tendered.

But then again, I'm not an agent. Nor did I stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night.

Anybody else more educated about this subject willing to speak up?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:06 PM | Report abuse

@mauree

I think I would be mad at the fact that he wasn't signed last year. At this point, if he goes, I honestly don't feel that I'd be mad at either party.

Ovie's gotta do what's best for him and Ted needs to do what he feels is best for the team. Losing Ovie would free up some cash to help fill other gaps in the team and force Semin to step up his game.

We can't expect Ovie to take less for the betterment of the team. He's a stand-up guy and that'd be one helluva stand-up action for him to take if he did. But as pmoravek pointed out earlier, injuries are around the corner for these guys and he needs to take what he can when he can.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Caps Fan 1

Maybe its the Nyquil & Bourbon cocktails...but I think that's pretty friggin' funny!

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:08 PM | Report abuse

Mauree

Are you joining us from Italy again?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:12 PM | Report abuse

@Cap Fan 1

It's actually his evil twin. They used to post at the same time...but then again. Where's Chief?

Maybe all three of those broken records were the same blow-hards.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 9:21 PM | Report abuse

You guys are killing me!! Guess happy hour started early - and ran late - tonight!! :-D

Hey, has anyone seen The Rocket? I heard it was good ...

Oh, sorry, back on topic ... so what are the predictions for tomorrow night? We do have enough guys to form a line, right?!?

Posted by: Boo! | January 4, 2008 9:29 PM | Report abuse

ahhh Boo!
This is getting to be quite a party.

My prediction:
Caps come out hard tomorrow. They can't be happy about losing to the Bees. Montreal can't deal with the sustained forecheck.
Cassivi doesn't get much work, but plays well enough when called upon.
Caps win 4-2

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I think that with Tarik suited up, we'll have just enough players. :)

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I've been digging into who the puckguru is and while I'm not quite ready to come out with the answer, I will tell you his initials are S.E.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 9:38 PM | Report abuse

That would explain the disdain for the front office folks.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Carolina and Atlanta are tied.
That's not good for us.

But I'm not sure who I want to win that one. Carolina has more points, but I don't want Atlanta to gain any more momentum.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

CRIKEY!

Buffalo is coming back on Ottawa!
They were 3-1 down and now it's 3-3.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Cap Fan 1:
I don't know if "someone else who knows" = puckguru - he didn't sing Semin's praises 35,000 times in one paragraph, so it may not be a match ... maybe it is Tarik's alter ego?!?


pmoravek:
Yes, the party does not start until Boo is in the house!! ;-)

keef:
Interesting theory about puckguru = "S.E" ... guess we will know if he is not posting tomorrow between 7:00 and 9:30 ... ;-)

Who do I think puckguru is?!? SLUGGO!!!!!!!! (Yes, I said it ... and here you thought that topic was finally off the boards!! ;-) hee*hee!!)

Posted by: Boo! | January 4, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

alexovetjkin
I do think Olie has played well and has kept them in a lot of games. He's just not stealing as many games as he used to. That's why other players have to step up like he did prior, and management needs to build for the future. Olie (individually) was playing pretty good when Bryzgalov came available so their first thought, he wasn't needed here. However as we see sometimes opportunities do not come in a linear fashion. Take them when they come, not when you need them. Just after Anaheim placed him on waivers I said the Capitals should have picked him up. Not picking up Bryzgalov was a sure sign this front office is inept or neutered! This kid WANTS to be a number one goalie. Pick him up and get what you can for Johnnie. Johnnie doesn't push Olie. It's like watching Cal Naughton, Jr. (Johnnie) and Rickey Bobby (Olie) with the "Shake and Bake!" Then, if you had Bryzgalov (and I must say I am an Olie fan, however) have this kid push for games and work with Olie. I know many will probably rip me for that last statement, but it happens with many teams. REMEMBER Olie played on his head when the Caps got Bill Ranford because he wanted to keep his time in net, maybe it could have happened again, or the kid takes control like Olie did. Then as you're grooming your future number one goalie, you have the option to later trade your existing number one goalie (Olie) to a team in the playoff hunt, (if your team is not in the hunt, as they are now) or allow the player (Olie) that is a cornerstone of your organization the opportunity to step back into a back up role and further help the club.
Then at the end of his career, maybe you establish a meaningful role in the front office for the qualified players who have shown such loyalty and dedication for the organization. And maybe, just maybe, other young players recognize that your organization doesn't just chew up their playing career, and throw them out like yesterdays newspaper. And maybe, just maybe, they play harder for you because they look at your organization with PRIDE. PRIDE because it's a good organization to be in, not just a place where people collect pay checks from a rich guy.
That's one way how quality organizations run themselves.

Posted by: someone else who knows | January 4, 2008 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Watched a DVR'ing of the Canada USA game. Karl Alzner looked great. As it has been noted, he scored a goal with a sweet slap shot on the power play. Alzner also commanded the ice well, barking orders to the other Canadians and always seemed to be in control. Only noticed once where he failed to clear the zone. Also cool to see Alzner being featured in commercials and interviews. Canada thinks a lot of him, hopefully we'll get to see him in Hershey this spring.
Josh Godfrey's shot is everything its cracked up to be. The announcers were talking about it all game long. He was on the ice and beaten for the puck in a scrum on USA's first goal and had a couple of turnovers in his own zone. Looked "OK" defensively and did make a couple of nice plays as well. Still....that shot on the power play is something to look forward to.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | January 4, 2008 10:48 PM | Report abuse

someone else who knows:
Believe it or not, I like your thinking on this one ...

Posted by: Boo! | January 4, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

And regarding the OV contract, i don't care what it takes, just sign the kid. Then again, I am not the one who has to worry about a half empty arena. I do agree with others that Washington is a fickle sports town. If the arena were in the suburbs, the long term residents would come win or lose but having it downtown keeps some of the famalies at bay, especially during the work week. I can't imagine how empty it would be without a star player like Ovechkin.
Friends of mine have started following the Capitals simply because I haven't shut up about OV since his rookie seaosn. They're not obsessive blog responding fans (yet) but I have had them initiate and suggest going to hockey games which is a step in the right direction. As for me, if we don't sign OV, its going to take me a while to get over it. He is easily the most exciting player in the league. I'm not saying I will turn my back on the franchise, but i don't think i would be going to 10 games a year, and watching every other game on TV. The thought of losing OV makes me sick. Am I obsessed? Maybe, but I know a lot of other Caps fans that share those same feelings. Not retaining OV would no go over well.

Now to the comment that OV needs to get what he can get because of injuries etc, I'm sorry I just don't buy that. What more can you do with 1.2 million that you can't already do with 8.8 million? Comments like "he has injuries to worry about" are almost as ridiculous as when that basketball player (latrell spreewell???) said he turned down a multi million dolla contract offer because he had kids to feed. OV deserves a hefty contract, but if he leaves because he can get half a million more per year I will feel betrayed.

Posted by: Sombrero Guy | January 4, 2008 10:55 PM | Report abuse

Cap fan 1 and Boo
No I'm not puckgru and I'm not Sluggo either.
SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO
SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO
SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO SLUGGO
But now that you mention it Boo, Why didn't anyone complain about the ice when Sluggo Sluggo Sluggo was sharpening the skates? Is it the Ice or the skates that are the problem? HMMMMMM

Posted by: someone else who knows | January 4, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, I think he's Sluggo ... ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | January 4, 2008 10:59 PM | Report abuse

@Sombrero Guy

Re: injuries comment, read the beginning of that post.

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 11:01 PM | Report abuse

For the first time I feel angry with Washington Caps management. If the guy with id 'someone else who knows' wanted this :-) , he got it!

Dog gone it, sign Ovechkin now!!!!!

Sign Ovechkin now!
Sign Ovechkin now!
Sign Ovechkin now!

If you guys feel the same, do something, either here or in my blog. I think Ted bought most of the bloggers so that he won't hear any criticism from them.They are paid to go to Russia, they are offered the press seats, you name it! You even don't know what else is going on!

http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/2008/01/why-is-there-so-much-discussion.html

P.S. Thanks for Bryzgalov comment. I think Olie is competitive enough to bring his playing level up, he got too comfy with Hanlon.

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Just to clarify, I was saying that Puckguru is Sluggo ... but it does not really matter, because I was just kidding!! :-D

Posted by: Boo! | January 4, 2008 11:03 PM | Report abuse

If you care, please leave you comment here: http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com/2008/01/sign-ovechkin-now.html

Posted by: alexovetjkin | January 4, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Hey Someoneelsewhoknows

Grrflippinski farrve Ovechkin.
Semin filberdygibbit.

Nyquil & Bourbon talkin'....sorry.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 4, 2008 11:54 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHAHAHAH

now THAT made me larff. :)

Posted by: keef | January 4, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

"OV deserves a hefty contract, but if he leaves because he can get half a million more per year I will feel betrayed."

@Sombrero Guy

I don't think the half-million dollars is what attracts Ovie to other teams. I think it's the chance to win a Stanley, and the chance to have a real, dedicated fan base that is going to force the Caps to pay the maximum for his contract. He's never going to have either of those things in DC, and I'm pretty sure he realizes that. Honestly, if I were Alexander Ovechkin, I would not willingly re-sign with the Caps. There's absolutely no incentive for him to stay with us - bad city, bad team, no fans (relatively)...

So, really, who should feel betrayed here? The small group of dedicated fans who will lose Ovie to a much larger group of dedicated fans at some point? Or Ovechkin, who was forced to waste the first three years of his career with a lackluster team, a team that is currently trying to shaft him in contract negotiations, a team that has surrounded him with mediocre, over-the-hill talent (Nyls, Kozlov)?

The answer is pretty clear to me.

Posted by: MikeZ | January 5, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Dude, where's the Advil?

Having read all of this I'm beginning to believe Hanlon was the Savior, Kolzig is underpaid, and who is that OV/Ovie guy, anyway.

Enjoy Chex Paree. I'll give you a several singles out of my wallet to reimburse your experience next time I see you.

Don't let the ladies see that "perma-grin" on your face!

Cheers!

Posted by: OleMiss | January 5, 2008 12:36 AM | Report abuse

@MikeZ

Ovie reportedly loves to play with Kozzie and if I recall correctly, Ovie's the reason he's here.

Posted by: keef | January 5, 2008 12:39 AM | Report abuse

@keef

I won't argue that Ovie likes playing with Kozzie. I know that Kozzie and Nyls were both brought to the Caps to play with Ovie. But neither of these things makes either of them better, or younger.

Posted by: MikeZ | January 5, 2008 12:53 AM | Report abuse

Yep, you're right - but it's his bed to lie in. :)

Who knows, maybe Ovie likes living in this area (being 22 and a sports superstar, one has to wonder what he'd see here though).

Posted by: keef | January 5, 2008 1:04 AM | Report abuse

I understand your points about OV wanting to play for a contender, and in a market where the team actually sells out, and that may ultimately be the X factor, but as it has been noted, OV really wanted Koz and got him. Nylander is still an above average player in spite of fans crying about him circling with the puck too much. Nylander has 33 points so far this year. Chris Drury has 28. Drury also makes like 4 million more per season than Nylander. Granted, Nylander is heading into the twilight of his career but he still has 2 or 3 good seasons left in him.

Posted by: @MikeZ | January 5, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

@Keef

not sure what you're trying to communicate there....


Posted by: Sombrero guy | January 5, 2008 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Also, forgot to mention that Godfrey got feisty in the Canada game tonight and took exception to an American player stabbing at the goalie after the whistle. That was good to see too

Posted by: Sombrero guy | January 5, 2008 1:19 AM | Report abuse

@MikeZ

Was just trying to say that I doubt he wants to run away from a problem he helped create.

Posted by: keef | January 5, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

i love the way gabby talks... if u can't play great in montreal and greatest game of emmmie's life... lol

Posted by: jim* | January 5, 2008 1:57 AM | Report abuse

Most people on the boards have been talking about how the Caps need a #1 defenseman. I've agreed with this statement for a while, but the more I think about it, our problem isn't that we lack a #1 shutdown defenseman. Our problem is that we lack 6 NHL caliber defensemen.

Look at Juice. He's got a killer shot, but how many times have you seen opponents just skate around him? The same can be said of Erskine, pre-benched Pothier, Eminger, and Schultz. Admittedly though, I think Schultz has looked much better since BB.

I've heard too many comments like "Eminger should be playing" from people who don't know the situation. Really, as Tarik said, no one knows the situation with Emmy. I'm displeased with the way it's being handled, but saying he should be playing is a judgment we can't make. As Gabby said, I hope he has the game of his life tomorrow night.

We're going to need it.

Posted by: Raber | January 5, 2008 2:57 AM | Report abuse

@ Tarik,

IMO, GM handles finances of his team like a child and you're sold on his spin.

"If" Ovechkin genuinely cared and wanted to remain in DC, the deal would have been done long ago.

The truth is that he's not "sold" by GM, nor should he be.
Tarik,
How about hanging it on the line and write the story that gets McPhee held accountable for the destruction of the Caps ?
The result "should" be a firing of GM, resulting in OV accepting a contract in exchange for a bonafied plan to WIN wth a credible GM.

Posted by: Chief | January 5, 2008 3:12 AM | Report abuse

keep in mind that we have not only Alzner but also Finley (North Dakota) in our system. Finley is a behemoth of a man and I personally have seen him clean house at last years NCAA vs. Michigan. He could be the next Chara IMO.

Posted by: pch49 | January 5, 2008 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Wow, I did not realize that it was a 12:30 game! Glad I figured that out before I turned the TV on TONIGHT!! :-/ And Olie is starting ... woo hoo!!

pmoravek:
keep the Nyquil & Bourbon handy - you may need it after watching our depleated team play (I think Cassivi will be on the 3rd D line, and BB will donning #7 to replay his part in Slapshot).

Posted by: Boo! | January 5, 2008 9:39 AM | Report abuse

After reading Tarik's article I'm surprised at Bruce's comments about Emminger...it almost sounds as if he doesn't have a say in whether he plays or not....weird...

Posted by: K | January 5, 2008 9:44 AM | Report abuse

@Boo

someone else who knows:
Believe it or not, I like your thinking on this one ...

Posted by: Boo! | January 4, 2008 10:50 PM

You been hitting pmoravek's bourbon and nyquil?

Posted by: Steve R | January 5, 2008 9:50 AM | Report abuse

Steve R:
Ah, er, um ... no comment ... ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | January 5, 2008 9:55 AM | Report abuse

What?
Huh?

Sorry Guys,
Passed out shortly after midnite.
Had a dream that OV came flying down the wing, left his skates and creamed Zednik into the end boards. The glass broke and then Zed flew into the crowd. For some reason Mike Tyson was in the crowd. He took a chunk the size of a chicken Mcnugget out of Zed's ear. The next day Tarik did an interview with Clarkie where the Captain was quoted as saying
"Tape it and play Zed, tape it and play."

I gotta lay off the bottle.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 5, 2008 10:12 AM | Report abuse

@pmoravek

Lay off the bottle? I think ya need to lay off the mushrooms bro. :-)

Posted by: Sombrero guy | January 5, 2008 10:28 AM | Report abuse

pmoravek:
LOL!! :-D Stop it - you made my spill my Nyquil. :-P So which bottle are you going to lay off?!? :-X BTW, why all the Zed-anger? Just because he does a better job scoring ON the Caps than FOR the Caps is no reason to be hatin' ... ;-)

Posted by: Boo! | January 5, 2008 10:29 AM | Report abuse

Zed is part of a long & illustrious list of players that we trade away. Then they go on to play much better for somebody else.

Richard Zednick
Glen Metropolit
Jason Allison
Anson Carter
Kris Beech
...and the lsit goes on.

And of course, you have to mention SCOTT FRIGGIN' STEVENS!

Posted by: pmoravek | January 5, 2008 11:02 AM | Report abuse

pmoravek:
I know ... but aren't you missing ONE?!?

Posted by: Boo! | January 5, 2008 11:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure there are lots more that just don't come to mind yet.

But since I posted that I have also thought of...

Byron Dafoe
Dino Cicarelli


(I'm not saying Jagr, cause mentally he was never here)

Posted by: pmoravek | January 5, 2008 11:18 AM | Report abuse

lol pmovarek you could write for the Simpsons :D

It's a "matinee" !

Lots of eyes on Eminger tonight, it's going to be either "ah ha! that's why he's not playing" or "woo we got ourselves a our D back"... actually it might end up being a "... meh..."

I hope Olie will bring his A game again.

GO CAPS!

*stares at Schultz*

Posted by: mauree | January 5, 2008 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Now I face a decision...

I'm stuck at work.
Should I listen to the game over the innerweb?
That way I can stay online and yammer with you guys.

or...

Wait and see the Tivo'd version when I get home. In which case I'd have to sign off the blog and cathc up tp all the posts tonite.

...anybody have any input?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 5, 2008 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Have you guys tried participating in the game day threads on the Caps message boards?

Posted by: Jill | January 5, 2008 12:19 PM | Report abuse

I have not.
Do many of you guys lurk over there?

Posted by: pmoravek | January 5, 2008 12:22 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: keef | January 5, 2008 12:42 PM | Report abuse

We seem to have a habit of going down by a goal or two early now-a-days.
They seem to be able to come back.
(Boston not withstanding)
But it's still a disturbing habit.

Posted by: pmoravek | January 5, 2008 1:03 PM | Report abuse

During the intermission they are discussing a four on one and they didn't score?

Somebody tell me I am not hearing that correctly.

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