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Fedorov Expected to Play Tomorrow

Sergei Fedorov left practice early today, but his injury is not believed to be serious. Coach Bruce Boudreau said the 39-year-old center was hobbled after blocking a shot in last night's game and is expected to suit up for tomorrow's game against Atlanta.

Boudreau also said that Viktor Kozlov is "fine" after missing most of the third period and overtime with an undisclosed lower body injury. Boudreau said Kozlov was held out for "precautionary" reasons.

As for me, I'm working on a story for tomorrow's Post about Alex Ovechkin's pursuit of a second straight Art Ross Trophy. He's closed to within four points of Evgeni Malkin with four games to go after trailing by double digits earlier this month.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  April 4, 2009; 1:28 PM ET
 
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Stop with all the doom and gloom! We have a good team but they won't play perfect every game and mistakes will happen. Detroit lost the last 12 of their regular season games last year and won the Stanley cup
here great youtube video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byJHaRxC1Ns

Posted by: larisa83 | April 4, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin seems to have a pattern of slow starts and, in the end, victorious finishes. I am impressed at how unhurried his pace can be in the beginning of a season. He seemed relaxed, for example, when Semin pulled ahead of him and celebrated Semin's goals with as much excitement as his own. To me this speaks of confidence and focus. He doesn't seem eager to assert his leadership or impress.
Then steadily but surely, his stats start climbing and leaves others behind in the dust. I wouldn't be at all surprised if he ended up as the leader in points, as well as goals, at the end of the season.

Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Most attributed his slow start to anxiety of his ailing grandfather in Russia. I believe he only had 2 or 3 points in his first 9 games and went 8 or 9 games without scoring a goal after scoring 2 in the home opener. He missed 2 games to go make his last visit, and since he has come back I'm pretty sure he has the highest points per game in the league. That's not trying to take anything away from Malkin, who's also had a phenomenal season. Crosby's only 9 points back of Malkin, and he's played 5 less games.

Any of the 3 would be deserving of the Hart, although that's no shock, the same statement will be made for the next 5-8 years most likely. I'm betting whoever wins the Ross will also win the Hart.

Ovie has always celebrated his teammates goals and accomplishments as much or more than his own. That's the main reason anytime I hear someone complain about his exuberance in his goal celebrations it doesn't hold much water for me. He's just always that pumped up, no matter who it is on the team that does it.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 4, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Question to the historians and analysts among you: I heard someone on Caps radio yesterday claim that the third seed in playoffs has consistently won the round against 6th seeded teams, while third seeds mostly lose against 7th seeds. Is there anything to it? If so, why? Maybe we shouldn't be that eager to hold on to the second seed position.

Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

Davethecapsfan;

I COMPLETELY agree: "Ovie has always celebrated his teammates goals and accomplishments as much or more than his own. That's the main reason anytime I hear someone complain about his exuberance in his goal celebrations it doesn't hold much water for me."

In terms of slow starts, however, this season isn't the first time I've seen this pattern. I believe the same thing happened last year and perhaps also in things like the playoffs and all star games. It's kind of cool to know that, no matter who seems to shine at first, Ovie will leave them behind at some point. A little like the tortoise and the hare, except that a tortoise is the most unlikely animal to remind one of Ovie.

Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

Caraveli: It has to be just a coincidence, there can't really be a reason why the 2nd seed has lost to the 7th seed more than any other matchup. Last year both #2 seeds beat the #7 seed. (I was also listening to that last night.. did Johnathan Warner and Steve Ray say if the times the #7 has beaten #2 was extremely more than the #6 beating #3?)

I definitely do not want the third seed.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Caraveli,

We were 3rd seed last year and lost in the first round.

Also, as the 2nd seed, if we get past the first round, we are assured of home ice in the 2nd round. For this team, that could be huge. Especially since Washington and New Jersey are likely to meet in the 2nd round, no matter who is 2nd and who is 3rd.

So, to me, winning the 2nd seed is critical.

Posted by: Wemiss21 | April 4, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Wemiss21, rachel 216:

What you say makes sense. I couldn't figure out what his logic was. No they didn't "say if the times the #7 has beaten #2 was extremely more than the #6 beating #3." They must have been skewing facts to make them sound like a serious statistical analysis.

Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Good comments.

Looking forward to seeing Feds tomorrow (we hope). Who's going to sit from the D tomorrow?

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't out much stock in anything Jonathan Warner says about hockey - he is amazingly unknowledgable about the sport.

Posted by: JillC | April 4, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

"put" much stock, that is.

Posted by: JillC | April 4, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

(Disclaimer - this is a rhetorical question meant more as a wry jab than anything else.)

One wonders why we want home ice so badly when the Verizon Center ice in April is the slop that it is.

Posted by: kittypawz | April 4, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Kitty, it may suck but at least it's ours. Course you know the answer -- We've won 70% of our home games and 50% of our away games (counting OTL's as losses).

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

... wry jabs and rhetorical questions aside.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

I know this goes back a bit but I'd like to comment on ov and his goals/celebrations if they are his own or his teamates. I live in Buffalo NY (new from NW so 'new' to hockey in last 10 yrs), so yes I was a proud Caps fan at the game, and my heart sunk about 2 seconds before Timmy passed to Pommer - when they are on. That's what the Sabres do. And they are great guys (small town/city. Less than a degree of seperation most cases), just ached as a solid steady Caps fan who takes quite a bit of doody (not sure the forum rules) during the year. Just to make the trip down for that. Yep I got a beer tossed at me at HSBC during the heartbreaking game in Dec where it was 6-1 or 6-0? (I gave myself a little happy back and extended through tomorrows game!) But I originally thought ov was a punk before I followed the team. I adore him now and think alot of players around the NHL could only gain from his sheer enthusiasm. He's a sparkplug through and through. If he's not scoring, he passing or making the crushing hit to take the other team off the puck. Even w/o an assist he will celebrate like it's his 1st goal. I love the guy. Now in Buffalo we can't escape Don Cherry or TSN but I've tried... Love the suits, and I even love the windbag speeches at times but I've boycotted even HNIC since 'that' happened. I'm getting a pack next year, it's so refreshing at Verizon Center... soak it up locals - you guys got it good! And I adore Simeon but Sabres took it too him, cause Caps mistakes. 1st NHL loss had to come but I've been waiting to see the kid since he came over!! Ha ha, anyone want to buy a house in Buffalo for play off tickets? Joking.... sort of... sorry at the length. Just had alot to say. Very emotional to watch your home town team play your team... I wish the boys well and hope they go as far as possible!!!!!!!! Thx.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

We have to tighten up our defense. As things stand now we have the second highest goals against per game ratio in the Eastern Conference playoffs. I hope the guys are playing "rope-a-dope" or something.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | April 4, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Hannah. Did you get to the game n(I seem to recall the other night you were talking about it)? Buffalo's a serious hockey town. Thanks for being a Caps fan.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

I would really be interested to know your opinion/vibe of the capitals and their pursuit of the 2nd seed. Are they conscious of getting the #2 seed or they don't mind having the 3rd?

To me there is a big difference between the teams that will end up 4/5/6 (flyers, canes, pens in no particular order) and the 7,8 (Habs and Rangers or Panthers).

What is your take and do you feel it is necessary for the caps to try and avoid the 4,5,6 teams in the 1st round (since it is the toughest round to win)?

Thanks

Posted by: O-V-P | April 4, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Boston clinches 1st in East 1-0 over Rangers. It does give Buffalo a LOT of incentive tonight against NJ though. 4 points back of 8th with 2 games in hand, 2 points back of 9th with a game in hand. I wish we would've won last night but my prediction the Rangers would be the team to fall out of the top 8 seems to be coming true after they looked like they had righted the ship a little bit. Some big games tonight Pitt/Carolina as well.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 4, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Well now we have the answers to what happened to Kozzie last night. An undisclosed upper body injury out and out as a precaution. It's now like Bruce to bench a player for no reason. Kozzie looked fine in practice today.

I recall Fed leaving practice early but Tarik thinks he'll be fine tomorrow.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Oops. In my last post I accidentally typed "now" instead of not. I meant to say, "It's not like Bruce to bench a player for no reason" instead of what I did say. Oops. I see that error made in so many E-mails I've received. I usually catch it before sending but missed this time.

Kozzie is not someone I'd expect to see benched for the last period. Any mistakes he made were no worse than mistakes made by other guys. Anyway, glad he's okay.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@O-V-P: Absolutely the second seed is big and matters. Boudreau's said as much. And it's big for exactly the reasons you describe. Is it out of reach now? No. We didn't have to win out to assure it. It would've been nice, though, but then I'd want to win every game. :)

Honestly, the goals against/game is a product of Boudreau's system - it's how it works. His style is high-flying, run-and-gun, and it's nerve-wracking and exciting to watch. I don't think it's necessarily indicative of our fate in the playoffs, although time will tell on that one.

I must be the only person in the world who doesn't adore Varlamov's style. In fact, it rather drives me nuts. The aggression is cool but can be used against him very, very easily, and was last night. How many open nets did they have?

Posted by: kittypawz | April 4, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

@Davethecapsfan,

I agree with you on Ovi's celebrations of goals. He's as happy for his teammates as for his own goals. And yet I seem to still hear people complain that Ovi is selfish and a puck hog. I think they're full of crap.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask: Oh, I know. It does help on several things like crowd noise and faceoffs, and so forth. It's certainly nice to have ... now if only the ice was in our favor.

Posted by: kittypawz | April 4, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

i too recall Feds leaving practice early.

After practice Ovie, Poti and Greenie left and none of them looked pleased. Poti and Greenie signed autographs but you could tell they were kind of unhappy.

@CapsFan75:

Did you watch the Thrashers practice? Those guys mean business and they'll come out fighting tomorrow for every point they can get. I am looking forward to our guys fighting for every point tomorrow as well.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Kitty -- who knows, maybe the ice does help us. After all we're used to slopping though it more than the other guys'.

Biggest benefit to the home advantage is more games to go to. Got my playoff tickets!!!! Ready to rock the red!

Dave -- you're right about the Rangers; they are likely the team to drop out of the 8 right now; only 3 games left (Mon, Pit, Phi), and montreal has 5. Habs have won 4 of 5; Rags have lost 4 of 5.

This is huge for the Sabres -- they've got 2 games in hand on the Rags and the tie break (based on same number of OTLs and a head to head edge). Be great to see them go hard into the Devils game tonight.

An Car Pit is a big one tonight too.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, that should be "I" too recall Feds leaving practice early.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

I won't blame Varly for any of the goals last night. I think he could have been a little tighter on the game winner but hard to throw him under the bus when we gave up a breakaway. First 3 goals all deflecting in off our guys, although the 3rd one was a nice tip play to begin with. He had zero chance on the first two goals, bad luck on Jurcina's part and just a poor job controlling the puck coming across the middle by Kozlov on the 2nd one. That one was really bad.

We will be fine but we need to come into these 2 games with Atlanta realizing they've been on fire of late and put in the effort needed. We still are 2 points up on NJ with 4 games each to go for the #2 seed. No reason to worry.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 4, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Sonyask - Heck yea I was at the game! Made the trip despite getting divorced from the man who I fell for Capitals with (Nothing funnier than 2 people running around Boca Raton FL in April trying to get the Capitals games on TV! Then trying to explain to your aunt/uncle in their 80's why its so important!). I do have friends in DC usually, everyone is living elsewhere till the fall. So I am in a decent hotel in a horrible neighborhood - but honestly - LOVING EVERY SECOND OF IT! So much so I don't think I regret the money I just spent to extend through tomorrow game anymore. (I'm a freelance artist in movies/photography w/boom & bust so blow out expenses are still scary). I'm not from Buffalo (Olympia WA in Buffalo 9yrs) but yes - I'll be honest besides taking me 1 game on espn to convert on the spot to the sport (in AZ), when back in Buffalo we chose our house in large part because of the proximity to the subway (all honesty serves to ferry drunks from our neighborhood to arena/downtown & back basically). Hockey is in the blood there for sure. Before I met my ex I knew nothing about hockey. I'm part of the indie rock scene (gotta be cheesy to be clear sometimes) where sports are a joke. In Buffalo not only does nearly everyone love hockey but they play in leagues and their bands. I converted 2 people this year, and bars/shows are always after games so timing is perfect.(Sidebar, spent a year in Raliegh working for Hurricanes - LOVE SEEING CAPS BEAT THEM!!!) So thx and again sorry for the length. Feeling chatty. Naptime in Buffalo (bars serve till 4am) for most my friends. Guess I better get to work on the script for my next job! Shooting days after I get back! I'll be there bells on @ Verizon early! Sec 202. Probably with Russian ov knock off jersey on. Some lovely DRUNK boys trashed my custom Feds jersey last night. Just needs wash but, hotel... Least this game won't be so emotional for both teams for me. I have Sabres seasons and been to 4 games this year. 1 was Caps course! Well I shed a tear when Ilya won the Gold at WC last spring. But only one other Russian on ice didn't play for Capitals. Caps can't get him can they?

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Sonyask ----- Oh yea, if you don't know - Cross a bridge to get to Canada in Buffalo and we have Canadian broadcast. Wish we had TSN since I'm boycotting HNIC (CBC) Sabres are only 4 seasons older than Washington but I think the proximity and general culture is what keeps Buffalo such a major hockey town. Even the year the NHL owned the Sabres... and Bills will reside in Toronto in 2-3 seasons so triple that hockey love.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Davethecapsfan ---- way Sabres played last night and NJ seems to have a slight bit of the mojo lost in the recent slide. Thats the game I'm watching if the hotel bandwidth keeps up. I hated to see Varli or whatever his current nick is get his first loss, but Millers a buddy so I'd be lying if I said that wasn't insanely emotional. He wasn't supposed to be back. Boston - what about Thomas's deal? I say he's more than worth it. Lord help me if anyone in Buffalo reads this (long standing OTT rivalry), but I've even warmed to Chara a tiny bit when not playing Caps.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

agree we have to tighten up our D but I don't see it happening. We're working with the same personnel and the same system so we'll get the same results. Bad defensive teams don't suddenly get good once the playoffs start. What we do well we'll continue to do well and what we don't do well won't get fixed till the personnel/system changes.
The only problem I see is that in the playoffs the weaker defensive teams usually get eliminated early regardless of their offensive skill level.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Hannah -- hope you're takin in a bit of DC's indie scene -- you know ours goes back a ways, right? what with Dischord and others. Looking forward to tomorrow's game. It's fan appreciation day!

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So wait, you guys get blackouts in the playoffs? Out of town we don't. Not Center Ice or Sabres games out of town. Sabres owners have never blacked out games even when they couldn't fill seats. Hmm, maybe why the good players walk on such a consistant basis? Or well Buffalo is kind of a love it or hate it town for many. The people & cost of living can't be beat to start.

On topic a bit so please follow and entertain me, esp being in town and going to one more game this season, I'd love to ask the locals, who would you all love to stay and go that's a question mark (contracts, waivers, trades) in off season? I've only been through 2 with Caps so far. Night & day from Sabres off season & trade deadline btw. After picking up Theodore with the development system - this season anything major would have shocked me. But love to hear what locals say. My seatmates last night had some views I never even thought about.

Even only missing viewing one game (greedy Isles blacking out Center Ice online & local TV for out of town game! Had radio but so NOT the same.) this year, being in town, seeing games at arena gives even the freaks like me who study the stats and watch the replays/games all season (freelance - you got alot of time sometimes!) is so different than watching what they choose to show on TV and talk about in press. BTW, this is best forum I've found. Thanks Tarik!!!!!!!

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

No blackouts here, Hannah

Most people on this board would do fine without Nylander, but he's overpriced and has a no movement clause. At least he's a skilled puck handler. I'm not as pasionate about it as others.

Plenty here don't like Schultz but I think they're fairly misguided. Many actually blamed Schultz for last night's loss (what game were they watchin I wonder), when in fact he was in on none of the bad plays and had some pretty impressive defensive moves last night from what I saw.

Overall we're pretty satisfied with who we have and who we have in the system, as reflected in the absence of moves at the trade deadline. Sure we'd like a steadier D and a better goalie in the short term, but we think we've got our future goalie(s) and some pretty good D in the system too.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

why is criticism of Schultz "misguided" ? Other than last night's game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

and to chime in on Nylander - he's a defensive liability on the ice as a forward. He doesn't take care of his business on the ice and teams can usually take advantage of him when there's a battle for the puck and he's near it. Time and time again he either simply gives up and lets the other team have the puck or he is forced into an easy turnover. When I think of his play on the ice, adjectives like "frail" and "weak" come to mind. Getting him out of the lineup may take a little bit of skill out of there but it makes us a better defensive team. We have too many players on this team who make some pretty bad turnovers consistently - Poti, Green, Semin etc. Nylander's on-ice assets are outweighed by his negative ones.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, I've no no real beef with you on Nylander and would be glad if we could find a way to dump him.

Regarding Schultz, he's a young guy who's getting better all the time. Remember what Mike Green looked like a couple of years ago? like a lost lamb. Nonetheless, I think Schultz shows a lot of raw talent, he's young, he's getting better each game, his stats show it -- he's got the makings of a solid regular defenseman.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Sonyask ----

Do you have any details about fan appriciation stuff? Met alot of folks around summer 1991, had a nice dinner at Ian's house one night I dimly remember, god brother did sound at BlackCat eons ago, if Allison was here I'd be blending my visit for sure. I'm just wrecked with allergies (Buffalos pollen count is nill still) and decided there was major no stress comfort in knowing I'm not going to be a stranger next year, if I need tix I'll be getting a pack. Also just started talking to friends in Buffalo looking to get out of town so may looking at temp or permanent move near here or here - love Buffalo but don't think I can do another winter, friend works for the Post too should I land in DC, lots of newspaper background so job prospects not frightening.)

So sad esp but I'm not stressing about missing that side of DC this trip. Really just so happy to be here seeing the Caps after waiting so long - probably one of the best trips I had in a long time. 1st solo in 10yrs!

::::Tomorrow::::
I already planned on getting down to Verizon area early, any link or list or anything for stuff to hit? I don't fly back till late Monday. Can't even say how much thx for any tips!

You down there early may be cool to say hi just because. Or after game, club is too fancy... but out of town tix, always get club seats - follow the deals. Too old to sit way up top, or is that jaded? (ha ha)

Thx.

btw - I wanted to take some real photos of area maybe, anywhere safe like a locker nearby to stow gear? My bag is slimline, doesn't look like camerabag. I've got alternate 'acceptible' to arena camera. Worth asking.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

::::CapsFan75::::

I love Ruff to death but tell me he's not taking cues from him. Look cross eyed at Ruff and you don't see the ice rest of game... ok overstatment but he's pretty comfy in his position and I think maybe Connoly is the only exception (heartbreaking beauty of a pass to Pommonville for OT win, that was a goal even experienced top guys would get beat on routinely. I need to watch reply to see why Feds made the bad pass as I've heard it called.) to that. One thing I love about Gabs is he seems to march to his own beat but as the season goes on I see him take on more and more NHL less maverick styles. I hope I'm wrong and missing alot of TV.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hannah -- I see Ian around from time to time, along with other Fugazi guys. Come to town in the summer and check out the free shows every mon and thurs eves at Ft. Reno to get a look at the current scene. nothing's up yet, but by June they should have the shows posted at www.ftreno.com. Ian's sister's been coordinating shows lately, and Ian will likely play too w/ Evens. I'm down in 105 tomorrow with my son. Glad to say hello. Don't know about lockers, but Union station's a walk away -- check their website re lockers.

Fan appreciation, they'll have giveaways before for everybody and throughout the game for folks anywhere except the club seats.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

:::Sonyask:::

"No blackouts here, Hannah" I wish I would have found this forum a LONG time ago. I've gotten so much conflicting info from sources in and out of DC metro.

"Nylander, but he's overpriced and has a no movement clause." Toronto had the same problem with Mats Sundin and look how the Canucks are doing. And how the Leafs benefited from letting him go as well, that's going to be a few more years though for them. But I don't think Nylander has it in him to do what Mats did. Never a Rangers fan so not familiar with his play outside Caps. Why won't every older guy take that salary step back and stop blaming outside influences? Dream? Keep 4 healthy scratch as needed but I know what that does to a players mental state. Esp older players.

"Schultz but I think they're fairly misguided." Besides another reason to rewatch game. Last season did he play much? My brains going old on me... I know I've been about 65-70% happy with his play this year and that I've felt suprised. heck I'm even happy with Jurcina's progression but think it should be in Hershey.

"Overall we're pretty satisfied with who we have and who we have in the system" another HUGE draw for me to follow Caps. Watched Simeon on (volume down if too much Russian gives you headache, they are supposed to go bi-lingual next year but KHL fate not certain) sportbox.ru 100% free/legal for games over there. Theirs a USA flag now so no more guessing whats hockey etc. Russian/NA hockey so different - even the rapidly collapsing KHL. I think he's got to find his groove here, he's got the talent. Now he's 20, I wouldn't be surprised to see him 3rd or alternate at WC in Bern. Kinda wish NHL would dress 3 goalies but not feasible...

"Sure we'd like a steadier D and a better goalie in the short term" Ah the enternal problem & question. Miller is my #1 Sabre. But Sabres haven't had solid backup for 2 or 3 seasons? Caps do have it coming in spades, that's not something many NHL teams can truthfully claim. Theres alot of QMJHL and OHL players coming up at draft (sorry more Canadian TV) but frankly all but a handful are going to AHL for sure, and anyone or all to NHL could be the next Stamkos. Melrose is an awesome coach general all around hockey guy, it was a quigmire of problems down there.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

regular season huh.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Hannah -- I see Ian around from time to time, along with other Fugazi guys.

Oh, do we have some people here with good taste in music?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

I guess so Phil!

Sorry they're not playing waiting room anymore at the games -- a little home town pride already!

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

I did not even see the Dischord reference until reading this again. My Embrace LP gets played weekly. I've got a out of step LP with the 3.50 blue strip across it. I heard these are worth a decent pennies nowadays.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

minor threat!

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Yea that's what I thought. I missed all on Friday but I had 'em down. I think I'm just gonna chill and write and soak it up vs carry my gear for a couple hours than worry if it's safe. May try for the summer but fall more likely, tracked down more than my dc friend to Brooklyn so hoping to get one more movie and one or 2 trips in. Friend will be back in the fall so no worries about $ for hotel. Also I will have that ticket pack I'm getting! Ft. Reno sounds familiar. Stuff been happening there for awhile or maybe just my friends unofficial guides? Keep telling her to go pro-she's really good. I'll for sure put info up for summer schedule possibilities. Wish I knew area outside Mt Pleasant/Columbia Heights well but happy enough just to be here in person rooting my team on finally! Thx for summer tips too! This town closes so early I gotta sort dinner out.

I tried lower bowl. 3x the $. Hope you and your son have fun tomorrow! My girl friend and I are taking her 2yr old to his first game in Buffalo vs Bruins last home game.

Thx for everything!!

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

@bajgirl

Nope, didn't stay around for the Thrashers practice. I was getting hungry and had chores to do at home.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

@hannah

Glad you're a Caps fan even if in Buffalo. Glad you kept up with hockey even though you divorced the man who introduced you to the sport.

I think you got me mixed up with someone else since I wasn't ever discussing Ruff or any of the other Sabres players. (Okay, I was remarking about how obnoxious Sabres fans were at the game last night.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 7:04 PM | Report abuse

To any fans who read my posts on Kozlov yesterday and today. I was being sarcastic when saying he was "benched". It would not be a characteristic move of Boudreau anyhow.

Most of the time, "benching" a guy for the third period would be counter productive, or cutting off your nose to spite your face. Okay, sometimes they shorten the bench for the third period and a 4th liner could get more time than the fellow being "benched". But generally speaking, it would be counter productive to bench most of the folks on our top 2 (or even top 3) lines.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

It's amazing the number of people who have taken their young kids to the games. I always was too afraid to buy advanced tickets for stuff when I had little kids since little kids have this tendency to get sick. (I would usually get tickets at the game for baseball games, if everyone was healthy.) There were times I won tickets through my company and would get a sitter for the kids.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

Has Avery's recent incident been discussed here yet?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 7:12 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil: What did Avery do this time? Did he do his famous screening on Tim Thomas today? Or was he just being the pest he generally is?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 7:26 PM | Report abuse

New Jersey up 2-0 on Sabres already.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 7:27 PM | Report abuse

Clarkie, Gordo, and Johnny were all on the ice before practice - the former two doing sprints and playing with the puck a little, and Johnny taking some shots. Johnny looked good, but you not quite 100% yet. Gordo still had his hand taped, but Clarkie had both gloves on.

Posted by: RtR52 | April 4, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

Clarkie, Gordo, and Johnny were all on the ice before practice - the former two doing sprints and playing with the puck a little, and Johnny taking some shots. Johnny looked good, but you could tell he isn't quite 100% yet. Gordo still had his hand taped, but Clarkie had both gloves on.

Posted by: RtR52 | April 4, 2009 7:30 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil: What did Avery do this time? Did he do his famous screening on Tim Thomas today? Or was he just being the pest he generally is?

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 7:26 PM

During a TV timeout, he skated up to Thomas who was stretching in the high slot, looked around, and then tapped him in the back of the head. it wasn't serious or anything, just weird and classless. Afterwards, he had that stupid "what did i do?" face again. God, I hate Avery. At least Ott fights when he gets retaliated for his dirty stuff. Avery is just a wimp.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75

After the team ordered pizza today I was hungry too. LOL.

My kids enjoy watching practice more, don't know why. I guess it's because they can see the team more clearly, than when they're at the game.

My son was so happy today because he finally got Greenie's autograph and a photo with him. He also got Ilya's autograph. He says any friend of Ovie's is a friend of his. We were waiting for Nicky to come out but the kids were getting tired.

The caps need to keep a close eye on the Thrashers tomorrow and come out fighting.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 7:40 PM | Report abuse

Avery is such a little pest. Everytime he stirs up trouble he runs away. Everytime someone tries to fight him, he hides behind his teammates or just stands there. Although I did enjoy that time when he just stood there and got thrown around like a ragdoll. I also heard he tried to knock Cam Ward's mask off his face the other night. No wonder everyone hates him.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

RtR52

Clarkie did look good out there today. Johnny and Gordo still has some work to do, but it seems like there are all on pace to come back probably in the playoffs. Clarkie more than the other two.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Bears @ Wilkes-Barre tonight

Bears leading 2-0 end of the 1st.
Goals: Alex Giroux #56 (from Bourque & Perreault)...Alex Giroux #57 (from Bourque)

Neuvirth in goal. Shots on goal Hershey-8, WBS-12

Posted by: tess2201 | April 4, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

As always GO NEUVY! Again, thanks for the updates, Tess. :)

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

Uh oh! The Devils seem on a roll though the Sabres are out-shooting them. If they win tonight, do we slip back in third place? Not that we don't deserve it with the sloppy way we've been playing!

Poor Varly! Not a good time to be re-entering NHL when the team is so inconsistent and unmotivated. Will he get a second chance in the remaining games?


Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

You're not the only one hate Avery. All of my friends from NY can't stand him and they are die hard Rags fans. They were literally praying that the team wouldn't take him back.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

Question: Does anybody have any thoughts why Nylander isn't the player he once was? When he was with the Caps before and then with the Rangers he was a heck of a setup man. Now he seems to just skate around. Is it age, or last years injury or what?? I kept thinking all season that he would explode for a couple goals and a few assists, but it just doesn't happen...

Posted by: kcbrichmond | April 4, 2009 7:54 PM | Report abuse

OOps. That's "who" hate Avery.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

@ Bajgirl

I was so glad to see Clarkie looking good. I can't wait to have him suiting up again. We could sure use his gritty style in the playoffs. As for Gordo, I'd love to see him back, but in the meantime, I'm content with Aucoin - he's scrappy! You could tell how happy Johnny was to be out and practicing again. We're happy too, Johnny.

Greenie losing juice boy and flipping out was maybe the second highlight of practice. Though all of the mauling each other and spending more time sprawled out on the ice than skating was also highly amusing. Semin is the biggest cheater ...

Posted by: RtR52 | April 4, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

STUPID Sabres.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

RtR52,

I very happy to see them also. I know the team miss Clarkie and he miss playing with the team. Those guys can't wait to get back with the team. LOL.

As for Semin, my kids were calling every move he made and yes he was a big cheater today.

Though all of the mauling each other and spending more time sprawled out on the ice than skating was also highly amusing. Definitely.

Posted by: bajgirl | April 4, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if this has been said or not but Johnathan Warner and Steve Ray really don't know that much about hockey. A lot of times fans call in to correct them. Not saying don't listen to their show, i'm just saying don't think everything they say is completely accurate, because most things they say aren't correct.

Posted by: Thomas32 | April 4, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Sabres SUCK! They are NOT making the playoffs! So much for all that excessive celebration in our house last night!!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Thomas32: Yeah, they get their own trivia questions wrong. The fans call in and insist that they have the wrong answer and then they look it up and realize they were wrong. It's pretty funny.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Not sure if caraveli's question was answered, but the answer is no. Even though we will be tied for points, we are technically still in 2nd because we will have played fewer games as of tonight.

If we do not get a point tomorrow then we slip to 3rd.

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | April 4, 2009 8:44 PM | Report abuse

Bears still lead 2-0 at the end of the 2nd.

Posted by: tess2201 | April 4, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

So, as long as the Devils are going to win tonight it's better motivation for the Caps tomorrow. C'mon Caps!

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

The worst part about Avery is that he is a top 6 forward when he plays his game. He is a very, very effective pest with a really good knack for scoring.

I really wouldn't mind him to much if he fought and didn't just stand there with a "what?" look on his face. Like I said, Steve Ott is twice the agitator Avery is but he stands up for himself. And he also doesn't wave a stick in a goalie's face.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

If you look at it logically, Avery's move got his team a PP in a game they were down by one goal. Great move on his part. Stupid move on the Bruins' part not to get him at some point in the game. You don't let another player hit your goalie in the head and not do anything about it. Montador grabbed Avery and did nothing, he should have pounded him. Even Sjostrom got away with cuffing Tim Thomas. The Bruins are too tough a team to let that kind of stuff go by unanswered.

And ftr there's nothing wimpy about Avery. He'll fight anyone in his weight class or slightly above it, but he won't fight if he knows he's gotten under your skin. No reason to, he's done his job. He'll only fight on his own terms. The league may step in and suspend Avery for intentionally hitting another player in the head with his stick though, and they should. Just because the refs blew it doesn't mean the league should give him a free pass.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

Pens tied up the Canes...
Sabres finally got one; 12 mins on the clock

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

this is what "pests" do. They try and change the momentum of a game when they feel they need to. Hartnell and Upshall did this against us in last year's playoffs to a tee to change the momentum in game 2 because their offense wasn't doing much damage. And it worked. The Caps have not had anyone since Dale Hunter to take that burden upon them, and it is a burden because you get everyone on the other team wanting to kill you. Here's the link to the Avery incident.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WirzdbjzvoU

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

You don't let another player hit your goalie in the head and not do anything about it.

Exactly.

And ftr there's nothing wimpy about Avery. He'll fight anyone in his weight class or slightly above it, but he won't fight if he knows he's gotten under your skin. No reason to, he's done his job. He'll only fight on his own terms.

Oh...so he is a wimp?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, I've no no real beef with you on Nylander and would be glad if we could find a way to dump him.

Regarding Schultz, he's a young guy who's getting better all the time. Remember what Mike Green looked like a couple of years ago? like a lost lamb. Nonetheless, I think Schultz shows a lot of raw talent, he's young, he's getting better each game, his stats show it -- he's got the makings of a solid regular defenseman.

Posted by: Sonyask | April 4, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

no beef either way Sonya, just exchanging info is all :)

I hope Schultz makes it too because i'd hate to think we wasted a 1st rounder on him for nothing. But he isn't showing enough progress at this point in his career, young as it is. He's showing the same timid mistakes that have plagued him since he was with the Calgary Hitmen. If Schultz had any type of competitive edge to his game that matched his frame, he would have been a consensus top 10 pick in that draft. Will he ever get less timid on the ice? I'm personally sick of waiting for him to turn that corner, every single season I look forward to seeing a different Schultz but its the same story.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

You don't let another player hit your goalie in the head and not do anything about it.

Exactly.

And ftr there's nothing wimpy about Avery. He'll fight anyone in his weight class or slightly above it, but he won't fight if he knows he's gotten under your skin. No reason to, he's done his job. He'll only fight on his own terms.

Oh...so he is a wimp?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Why does that make him a wimp? He's not turning down fights based strictly on who wants to fight him, he'll turn down fights depending on when in the game it occurs. He'll pick his moments and if he feels it doesn't benefit his team he'll turn it down. Thats why he turned down David Clarkson, not because he was afraid of Clarkson but because he had no reason to fight him at that stage. Look up Avery's fight list, he has fought enough tough players in his career that he can't be classified as a wimp. His primary job is to agitate, change momentum, draw penalties if possible, and score goals from in close. That's it. If he fights, its on his own terms when he feels it will help his team.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 4, 2009 9:09 PM | Report abuse

:::Posted by: CapsFan75:::

Glad you're a Caps fan even if in Buffalo. Glad you kept up with hockey even though you divorced the man who introduced you to the sport. I think you got me mixed up with someone else since I wasn't ever discussing Ruff or any of the other Sabres players. (Okay, I was remarking about how obnoxious Sabres fans were at the game last night.)


>> I was getting pretty hungry and kind of getting off topic when I wrote that. And talking about Ruff came from I guess I've noticed a little less maverick from Gabbie this year, on tv, a ways away and could just be settling into his adaptation to NHL Caps should of had Flyers last yr. But as far as benching a player who's annoying him, I didn't see the injury to Koz, but I did notice him out later part of game. And made my food deprived jump of comparing that to a trademark Lindy Ruff move. So, very very sorry. And yes, Buffaloians are BIG drinkers... get kinda obnoxious, the younger ones esp. In town I forget how you don't notice it, not just fans but lifestyle in general, been to a few Sabres games during play offs runs and at times I was proud, had fun. Othertimes quite embarrassed. Buffalo is a very different hockey town, besides the difference in how much we drink up there, we've had rude mean Philly & Leafs fans coming for decades to HSBC (can't get tickets to see Leafs at home and our arena sells at par to Canadians, well back in the day when US$ was worth more). So my usual way too way long way of putting it - People from Buffalo + Sabres game in another town your going to get your jerks.

Posted by: hannah8 | April 4, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Avery has turned down tons of people in his weight class this year.

Hew also does dumb stuff like throw his gloves off, and then say he doesnt want to fight.

Poor man's Ott with no backbone.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Buff pulled it to 3-2, 3:30 to go.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 4, 2009 9:17 PM | Report abuse

I look forward to the article. I hope there is some focus on OV's third period and o.t. production.

Posted by: bugboy | April 4, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil: exactly. He does that a lot. He throws his gloves off like he wants to fight and then just stands there, I think he tries to restrain and he wants to draw a penalty but he threw his gloves off so he should go through with it and fight. I don't get it, but then again it's Sean Avery and he's a punk.

Neuvy is doing great! 31/31 so far! :D

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

COME ON SABRES!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:20 PM | Report abuse

NJ wins 3-2. Just means we gotta get 2 points tomorrow.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 4, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

That's the end of the Sabres!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Carolina is unstoppable, it's unbelievable.. i'm so jealous.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

All I can say about the Sabres is ---- Grrrrr!!! Why couldn't they lose to us? Well at least Carolina will finish behind us in the standings no matter what. (Now, if the Caps can just do well in the playoffs -- at least make it past Round 1.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

You know what's really interesting?
The Caps record and the Hershey Bears' record are almost indentical. Hershey is 47-21-8 with 102 points.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Bears win in shootout! Neuvy is awesome! 40 saves!

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

At least Boudreau doesn't bench guys during the game who annoy him. Glad Kozzie's okay.

I recall that Hanlon used to bench players during the game if they did something he didn't like.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hope the Caps can get second in the conference. It will be the difference between playing either the self destructing Rangers or Canadiens or playing Philthy. Looks like Philthy will get 6th. Given that Carolina and Pittsburgh are hot and will likely get 4th and 5th, respectively. NJ has gotten hot again. For the rest of the season, they play 2 bad teams and Carolina. So, chalk them up to be 2-1 for the rest of the year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Okay, maybe I'm mistaken since Philthy is still in 4th. They have 2 more games against the Rangers.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 4, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

Interesting (old) article about NHL playoff upsets (speaking of #7s upsetting #2s ...):

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/hockey/cup/2003-04-08-upsets_x.htm

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 4, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

I saw some mention of Fugazi...
I remember free shows in DC.
I remember them sayinf "no moshing or we're leaving," and other dumb stuff. "you canlisten to our music, but you have to turn the volume to 8 and if you turn it higher thaneight it will distort and if you do that we're not gonna sell you anymore records..."
I loved the music, just not all the attitude and straight edge stuff.
Still, good times.

Posted by: oo7 | April 4, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin now leads the NHL in P/G.

Top 4:
Ovechkin - 1.39
Malkin - 1.38
Crosby - 1.36
Semin - 1.26

Also, the Caps have 4 players in the top 14.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats.htm?fetchKey=20092ALLSASAll&sort=avgPointsPerGame&viewName=points

Posted by: tmac2yao | April 4, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how long Ted has been a Caps fan. I just wonder because if we end up 3rd and face the Pens and lose (which I don't think will happen but history isn't on our side) I wonder if it will sting him as bad as it does those of use who have been here since the 70's. I could stand to lose to ANYBODY but them.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | April 4, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

The Caps actually have 4 players in the top 12 in P/G. Kariya and Gaborik have only played 11 and 13 games, respectively, so they don't qualify.

Posted by: tmac2yao | April 4, 2009 11:41 PM | Report abuse

CTCapsPhan:

Thanks. That explains why we are still second. I saw the standings before reading your comment and I was confused. Let's hope the Caps get their act together for the remaining games.

The Devils lost to at least two of the teams they will be playing against, but let's see.Hopefully they will not win all three games.

Rachel 216: We were like Carolina for the last 11 or so games last year so we could dig ourselves out of the hole we were in. Of course Carolina, with Ward as their goalie, has made it all the way to the Stanley Cup--proving its ability to sustain momentum all the way to the finish. We haven't yet. Right now the last team I want to face in the playoffs is Carolina.

Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

Has anybody answered kcbrichmond's question about the reasons for Nylander's ineffectiveness this year? I'd like to know also.

Posted by: caraveli | April 4, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

I remember them sayinf "no moshing or we're leaving," and other dumb stuff. "you canlisten to our music, but you have to turn the volume to 8 and if you turn it higher thaneight it will distort and if you do that we're not gonna sell you anymore records..."
I loved the music, just not all the attitude and straight edge stuff.
Still, good times.

Posted by: oo7 | April 4, 2009 10:44 PM |

He is known to say some dumb stuff. As far as Ian and straight edge, him and the guys in 7 Seconds both fully regret spawning such a retarded movement.

I doubt Ian was pressing the label "straight edge" anytime recently, he hates it.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Phil- it sure was lame. Its not easy music to listen to sober, ya know Phil? It goes better with booze.

Caraveli- In regards to Nylander, I think there are a lot of guesses at this point but little else. My personal guess is that the shoulder he had surgery on is still an issue. His passes are weak, his shots are soft, and he seems to be frustrated. Thats just my guess, but come on, anyone watching him closely can see that there is little strength to his passes and shots. Not the Nylander I remember before the injury.

Posted by: oo7 | April 5, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

@007

Wouldn't be surprised if Nylander's shoulder isn't quite the same after his issues of last year and the surgery. Seems like the most likely theory to me.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

There's no question that post-shoulder Nylander isn't the same player as before. I'd feel badly for him, but at $4M for offsides and turnovers what's he want with my sympathy?

Posted by: redlineblue | April 5, 2009 12:25 AM | Report abuse

@ Boo

That was an interesting article on playoff upsets. Also loved the picture of a Boston Bruin player and Jose Theodore but Theodore was on Montreal in the red, white, and blue in those days but had the mask in the right colors.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

@caraveli

Would rather not face Carolina. But, odds are, we won't get them in Round 1 anyhow. They'll get Philthy or Pittsburgh, in all likelihood. I hope we do better than the Devils in the next few days.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Ha ha! CapsFan75, I like "Philthy." Kind of has a nice ring to it. Almost as good as Cindy. Maybe Cindy can be traded and become a Philthy player in time.

By the way, I am so glad neither Cindy nor Malkin scored tonight. Ovie has a chance to catch up tomorrow.

Posted by: caraveli | April 5, 2009 12:58 AM | Report abuse

good read, Boo. Digging deep to 2003 for that one!
There is always an upset.
Pens are worrying me now. Caps are slipping and maintaining the 2nd spot might not work out. The Pens have won 10 straight. if they keep that up into the playoffs, I DO NOT want to see them first. Cohesive vs non-cohesive.
I'm feeling stressed.
by the way, that goal in OT wasn't offsides, but Schultz shouldn't have let that pass get by him.

Posted by: oo7 | April 5, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

Last post before sleepy time... but I had to chime in as to Carolina winning the cup. They beat Buffalo's so not synch AHL defense - our top guy at the time watched frin a hosoital bed in Buffalo. Then they had an easy time with Rollie injured for finals. I am nearly as staid fast as a former Sabres #1 fan on the infamous foot in crease no goal loss in the Cup to Stars as I am about Carolina's luck win. More skill and Ward is on his game but still it comes from the top - owners son see dollar signs, not a team. Creepy behind the scenes deals to put Maurice back. I just hate the Hurricanes. Besides Philly - oh I may have to say a tie there, Leafs wuth Ron Wilson, Tucker gone -- it's fun again. And I won the bet for Team USA coach!! So back to Caps, as a newer Caps with much info about Hurricanes, I'll fess up - Caps whip the 'canes I've been known to shed a happy tear...

Posted by: hannah8 | April 5, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

i used to want to see nylander do good.but now i think hes a waste of space.we have guys working there butts of to get his spot and id like to see it happen.when gordo comes back i say leave aucoin up and sit nylander.GO CAPS!

Posted by: gratefuldid | April 5, 2009 1:31 AM | Report abuse

richmondphil: exactly. He does that a lot. He throws his gloves off like he wants to fight and then just stands there, I think he tries to restrain and he wants to draw a penalty but he threw his gloves off so he should go through with it and fight. I don't get it, but then again it's Sean Avery and he's a punk.

Neuvy is doing great! 31/31 so far! :D

Posted by: rachel216 | April 4, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

I apologize in advance for this post.

You guys even understand hockey? Avery SUCKERs players into taking an EXTRA penalty so his team gets a POWER PLAy. Duh

If he gets some player off his game and so mad at him where his team gets a PP, how is that a bad move? to claim simply that he "should fight" is stupider than stupid. A PP is way more important than stroking your own ego. He has fought enough in his junior, minor league, and NHL career (62 fights this decade and almost every one of them in his own weight class or above) that he has nothing to prove to anyone about his toughness. Again, if he suckers another player into jumping him by pretending to throw off his gloves or whatever, WHO GIVES A RATZ A__? He still got his team a PP. End of story. If his teammates didn't care about him, you wouldn't see quotes in the papers from half the Rangers about how much they appreciate what Avery has brought to their team over the past 2 yrs. Sjostrom ran over and punched Tim Thomas today. Think he'd do that if he didn't care about Avery? Say what you will about him, that kid is a legitimate top 6 forward and more often than not he does his job with flying colors. He gets goalies off their game, he hits everything, he fights when he NEEDS to, and he scores the important garbage goals or does the dirty work in front of the net to facilitate his linemates.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 1:49 AM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
I did think it was rather ironic that they chose a photo of Jose for that! :-) I'm taking that as a good omen ... a sign of things to come. Jose just became our good luck charm!

oo7:
Don't stress - I have a feeling that there is going to be a lot of movement over the next week. Hopefully it will be in our favor! :-)

Anyone else receive their playoff tickets? I can't wait!!

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 1:52 AM | Report abuse

Avery has turned down tons of people in his weight class this year.

Hew also does dumb stuff like throw his gloves off, and then say he doesnt want to fight.

Poor man's Ott with no backbone.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

Darcy Tucker, Dan Hinote, Steve Ott, Corey Perry, Brenden Morrow, Mike Fisher, Ed Jovocop, Darcy Hordichuk, Clutterbuck, Kunitz etc...these are all players Avery has fought in the past 2 yrs. I'm sorry, but that doesn't even come close to validating that he's a wimp. He's a sh_t starter, not a wimp. Big difference. This nonsense about he doesn't back up what he does, he doesn't have to. His job isn't to beat up an opposing player. Its to rile up the other team to draw penalties, its to throw goalies off their game, its to amp up your own teammates with big hits deep in the offensive zone, and yes there's a certain theatrical component to all of this. Ever hear of Dino Ciccarelli? The only difference between ex-Cap Dino and Sean Avery is that Avery is a much better fighter, a much stronger player, but not quite the point-getter. Aside from that, they're very similar players. Top line forwards who drive the other team nuts. Any team would be glad to have players like that minus some of Avery's antics that disrupt a team (aka Dallas).

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Say what you will about him, that kid is a legitimate top 6 forward and more often than not he does his job with flying colors. He gets goalies off their game, he hits everything, he fights when he NEEDS to, and he scores the important garbage goals or does the dirty work in front of the net to facilitate his linemates.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 1:49 AM

The worst part about Avery is that he is a top 6 forward when he plays his game. He is a very, very effective pest with a really good knack for scoring.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:00 PM

Again, if he suckers another player into jumping him by pretending to throw off his gloves or whatever, WHO GIVES A RATZ A__?

lol.

You guys even understand hockey? Avery SUCKERs players into taking an EXTRA penalty so his team gets a POWER PLAy. Duh

lol.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Darcy Tucker, Dan Hinote, Steve Ott, Corey Perry, Brenden Morrow, Mike Fisher, Ed Jovocop, Darcy Hordichuk, Clutterbuck, Kunitz etc...these are all players Avery has fought in the past 2 yrs.

Sean "turtle soup" avery

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Bringing creativity to the agitator role is one thing.

Being an ass is another.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:02 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Whoa. Gotta defend Rachel and Phil on this one (and yes, I think most would say that I do understand a thing or two about hockey). I would never argue that Avery's tactics are not effective and I don't think that Rachel and Phil are saying that. It's just how he goes about it that is so objectionable. He's a punk, he's a pest and he is an embarrassment to the league. In short, he's dirty and I can't stand dirty players. For example, his dance in front of Marty last season - what the heck was that?!? I have NEVER seen a skater turn his back on the play and get in the keeper's face (on any level of the game). Sure it was effective but it was cheap. So cheap that it warranted a ruling to ensure that it never happens again. Personally I think that is pathetic - if you can't be effective on the up and up then you don't deserve to be on the sheet with the legitimate players.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

I guess i don't get RichmondPhil's "lol" response. Makes no sense really. Is he laughing at himself? I gave an honest appraisal about Avery. If you disagree, "lol" doesn't quite cover it in regards to an effective rebuttal.

As for Avery's antics being "objectionable" -- i seem to recall a certain longtime captain of the Caps, guy by the name of Dale Hunter who ticked off fans and players around the league with his on-ice behavior. So I think before we go blasting other players as "objectionable" we should try and be a little less hypocritical and a little more honest - if Sean Avery played for the Caps the same way he plays for the Rangers, would we be calling for his head every night? I think not. He burned his bridges in Dallas, to an extent with the Kings also. He's a good fit in NY and to claim he's "objectionable" is a tad sanctimonious. ImHo of course.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:13 AM | Report abuse

A comment must be meaningful to warrant a meaningful rebuttal. And you just told me what I already typed earlier, thanks.

It seems cstanton is delegated once again to my short list of "ignore comments by." If anything for his comparison of Avery to Dino.

LUCIC IS DA NEXT NEELY!@!! amirite?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Whoa. Gotta defend Rachel and Phil on this one (and yes, I think most would say that I do understand a thing or two about hockey). I would never argue that Avery's tactics are not effective and I don't think that Rachel and Phil are saying that. It's just how he goes about it that is so objectionable. He's a punk, he's a pest and he is an embarrassment to the league. In short, he's dirty and I can't stand dirty players. For example, his dance in front of Marty last season - what the heck was that?!? I have NEVER seen a skater turn his back on the play and get in the keeper's face (on any level of the game). Sure it was effective but it was cheap. So cheap that it warranted a ruling to ensure that it never happens again. Personally I think that is pathetic - if you can't be effective on the up and up then you don't deserve to be on the sheet with the legitimate players.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:07 AM | Report abuse

Again, do you remember Dino Ciccarelli or Dale Hunter? They were both great players, and they both did things that trumped what Avery does (on-ice anyway). Dino disrupted goaltenders as did Huntsy, and in far more "objectionable" ways than simply waving a glove in their faces. As for being on the "up and up" - i can think of a ton of players who don't quite fit into that category but who still are very valuable to their team's cause. RichPhil brings up Ott (who I love btw) as an example of what Avery SHOULD be. Well, guess what. Ott AND Avery were both referred to by Mike Modano as "embarassments" after their antics in a game this season. Ott = Carcillo = Avery =

When you win a Cup, there are many players on that team who occasionally are NOT on the "up and up" with their play. Winning a Cup can be a dirty business. And thinking otherwise is very naive.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:18 AM | Report abuse

A comment must be meaningful to warrant a meaningful rebuttal. And you just told me what I already typed earlier, thanks.

It seems cstanton is delegated once again to my short list of "ignore comments by." If anything for his comparison of Avery to Dino.

LUCIC IS DA NEXT NEELY!@!! amirite?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

You're a tool. And once again prove your complete and total ignorance of this sport. Yes you're correct, Dino Ciccarelli displayed NONE of the Avery attributes that so offends your delicate sensibilities. LMAO! (was that a sufficient rebuttal?)

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:20 AM | Report abuse

I'm thinking RichPhil is either guilty of revisionist history (i.e pompom waving cheerleader who is completely incapable of being objective), or just plain stupid.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:21 AM | Report abuse

Modano got down on Ott for jawwing off to the refs. Not for doing anything Avery did.

Philly only got Carcillo so they could keep Giroux (their skill player) up. womp.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:24 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
I didn't realize that we were comparing him to everyone who ever played for the Caps. Regardless, since I have never played for the Caps and was not singing the praises of any particular Cap while giving my assessment of Avery, I could not be considered hypocritical. I was talking about Avery as an individual player. I could cite many examples of his objectionable behavior; I already posted one. Were you not shocked when you saw him do that? I was incredulous and everyone whom I have had the occasion to discuss it with feels the same way (and they also know a thing or two about hockey).

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh know, personal attacks. yikes.
(hey isn't that againts blog rules?)


umad.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Again, you're a tool. Do you need me to find you video clips of the game Modano was referring to? Ott did WAY more than JAW to the ref. He and Avery went headhunting on the ice and Modano felt that the constant stream of penalties were irresponsible and bush-league.

Oh by the way, do you know a fella named Brenden Morrow? Pound for pound one of the top warriors in this league. Does this look like Avery "turtled" to you? I know video is hard for you to swallow since it proves you so wrong. But hey, get a clue right?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkyb6-15agY&feature=PlayList&p=7AD634A3C3ECC574&playnext=1&playnext_from=PL&index=6

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Oh know, personal attacks. yikes.
(hey isn't that againts blog rules?)


umad.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

umm lemme guess, you're gonna get your panties all bunched up and go cry about it to the mods because you can't stand getting beat up verbally on a msg board. Oh no!

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:28 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
I didn't realize that we were comparing him to everyone who ever played for the Caps. Regardless, since I have never played for the Caps and was not singing the praises of any particular Cap while giving my assessment of Avery, I could not be considered hypocritical. I was talking about Avery as an individual player. I could cite many examples of his objectionable behavior; I already posted one. Were you not shocked when you saw him do that? I was incredulous and everyone whom I have had the occasion to discuss it with feels the same way (and they also know a thing or two about hockey).

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:26 AM | Report abuse

Listen, if you read my post earlier on this I already stated that the Bruins should have pounded Sean Avery into oblivion for what he did. We're on the same page here. But what I called into question was RichPhil's overly simplistic (go figure) analysis of Avery by calling him a "wimp". He's not a wimp. He's the kind of player that if he's doing his job well, he invites the wrath of opposing fans and opposing players. Riiiight!?

When he steps OVER the line too much like he did in Dallas, his presence is destructive to his team.

But the word "wimp" does not apply anywhere.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:30 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
I don't think he is a wimp, I just think he is a dirty slimy punk! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Verbally beat, yeah you got me. When most of the hockey world hate Avery. I know though, the edgy and avant-garde shtick is yours and yours only.

My first comment on Avery was he is a top 6 forward and an effective pest. WOW, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME???? Man, you are so insightful. Please, tell me more about stuff I have already typed in the past.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:32 AM | Report abuse

Oh, so it is a matter of semantics now?

Oh, okay let me reiterate for the Language Professors in the building tonight.

Avery is an ass.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:33 AM | Report abuse

Phil:
You are correct, sir.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

And once again, we get these Caps fans on this board that judge other players' behavior on a totally different standard than if these same players were wearing Caps jerseys. Unless you're aiming for blind homerism, you need to reach a little higher than that. These same fans probably hated Brash when he was a Flyer, but laud him for the same things he does as a Capital. Its ridiculous, inane, silly, and stupid. Its ok to hate Avery or Carcillo or whoever. But lets call a spade a spade and admit that we have idolized many players here on the Caps who do many things that other teams find "objectionable". If for example Brashear was a Thrasher and Vishnevsky was a Capital, what kind of venom would we be spewing over what went down at the end of the Caps-Atl game last year? We'd be up in arms calling for Brash to get a lifetime suspension.

sorry, homerism at its extreme disgust me to my friggin core.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:34 AM | Report abuse

Verbally beat, yeah you got me. When most of the hockey world hate Avery. I know though, the edgy and avant-garde shtick is yours and yours only.

My first comment on Avery was he is a top 6 forward and an effective pest. WOW, ISN'T THAT WHAT YOU JUST TOLD ME???? Man, you are so insightful. Please, tell me more about stuff I have already typed in the past.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:32 AM | Report abuse

gee I dunno, you called him a "wimp" didntya but couldn't back it up with facts? I guess video isn't fact enough for ya because according to you he turtles in every fight and turns anyone and everyone down who want to fight him. Yeea.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

Show me homerism at its extreme please.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
I don't think he is a wimp, I just think he is a dirty slimy punk! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:31 AM | Report abuse

Pretty much the same thing that other teams' fans around the league said about Dale Hunter from the day he set foot in this league to when he retired. So as long we're comfortable comparing Avery to Hunter in many ways, then we're on the same page.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:37 AM | Report abuse

I guess video isn't fact enough for ya because according to you he turtles in every fight and turns anyone and everyone down who want to fight him. Yeea.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:36 AM

Please post my comments when I said this.

He turtles a lot. That is fact. You can ad hoc your way out of it with a few videos all you want.

He also turns down a lot of fights. I never said every fight.

You love stuffing words in peoples mouths.


Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Show me homerism at its extreme please.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

When you view and judge players on an opposing team thru very biased lenses. That clear enuff for ya?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

Hey Phil, since you were so adamant that Avery and Dino are such dissimilar players, can you elaborate on that? I'd LOVE to get your expert take on it.

..waiting

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:39 AM | Report abuse

Please post my comments when I said this.

He turtles a lot. That is fact. You can ad hoc your way out of it with a few videos all you want.

He also turns down a lot of fights. I never said every fight.

You love stuffing words in peoples mouths.


Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:38 AM | Report abuse

haha, really? you serious? scroll up. You'll see where you pasted my list of fights he's engaged in over the past 2 years and you said "turtle soup", meaning Avery turtles in those fights. I went and picked Brenden Morrow who is a very tough and capable fighter out of that group and posted a vid. I consider that a pretty direct rebuttal. How many other ways would you like me to prove you wrong?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:41 AM | Report abuse

You love just picking fights. I praised Ott and Hunter in the past. I was hard on Brash. I call him a goon, and will always call him a goon. I love Shawn Thorton, Parros. I have openly talked open all of them here. I love Pronger, and have talked about it here. Talk about dirty? All your rants are misguided kid, you are digging a little too hard. I understand the role of the "pest". But you are in the minority here, and you know that. You are just focusing on my one word "wimp" because it is all you can cling to.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:42 AM | Report abuse

Show me homerism at its extreme please.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:36 AM | Report abuse

When you view and judge players on an opposing team thru very biased lenses. That clear enuff for ya?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:38 AM

I said show me, not reiterate.

Are you retarded?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Phil, I'm gonna go to bed. Just rest assured as long as you're out here spouting nonsense, I'm gonna spank you for it, in public. Just tread with care next time and try to be a little less nauseatingly biased with your blanket statements that you pass off as fact.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:

"And once again, we get these Caps fans on this board that judge other players' behavior on a totally different standard than if these same players were wearing Caps jerseys. Unless you're aiming for blind homerism, you need to reach a little higher than that. These same fans probably hated Brash when he was a Flyer, but laud him for the same things he does as a Capital. Its ridiculous, inane, silly, and stupid. Its ok to hate Avery or Carcillo or whoever. But lets call a spade a spade and admit that we have idolized many players here on the Caps who do many things that other teams find "objectionable". If for example Brashear was a Thrasher and Vishnevsky was a Capital, what kind of venom would we be spewing over what went down at the end of the Caps-Atl game last year? We'd be up in arms calling for Brash to get a lifetime suspension.

sorry, homerism at its extreme disgust me to my friggin core."

Who are you addressing that to? Because that is certainly not what I do (I promise you - I would have Avery and a few other choice players in a Caps sweater as much as I do in their current sweaters). As far as Brash is concerned, I don't have a lot of love for any enforcers - I've never been a fan of fighting (sorry!) although I do not argue that it does not have a place in the NHL. Having said that, I do have to give Brash props for "fighting fair" - he does not sucker punch or take cheap shots (i.e. he's not a goon). If we have to have an enforcer, that's the kind I want.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

You love just picking fights. I praised Ott and Hunter in the past. I was hard on Brash. I call him a goon, and will always call him a goon. I love Shawn Thorton, Parros. I have openly talked open all of them here. I love Pronger, and have talked about it here. Talk about dirty? All your rants are misguided kid, you are digging a little too hard. I understand the role of the "pest". But you are in the minority here, and you know that. You are just focusing on my one word "wimp" because it is all you can cling to.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:42 AM | Report abuse

So are you backing off that statement that he's a wimp? Sounds like it. Ok, I accept your withdrawal. And i don't have to "cling" to anything. I'll talk any hockey topic with you anytime. You know where to find me. And if you want to draw me out, just keep making idiotic statements :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:45 AM | Report abuse

Let's meet up in DC sometime and talk like gentlemen, since you seem to love to throw out the personal attacks quickly here.

You want my richmond address? Come over for a drink, let's talk this out in person. You can explain to me how I am a tool on the way to my game.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:45 AM | Report abuse

no problem with you Boo, you sound like you have your head on straight. gnite

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

He is a wimp.

You are in the minority, and you know it. Quit trying kid.

Let's make a poll, is Avery the next Dino?

I would like to see the results.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

Let's meet up in DC sometime and talk like gentlemen, since you seem to love to throw out the personal attacks quickly here.

You want my richmond address? Come over for a drink, let's talk this out in person. You can explain to me how I am a tool on the way to my game.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:45 AM | Report abuse

yeah, throw me your address, would love to meet up in person.

cstanton1@hotmail.com

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:47 AM | Report abuse

He is a wimp.

You are in the minority, and you know it. Quit trying kid.

Let's make a poll, is Avery the next Dino?

I would like to see the results.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:46 AM | Report abuse

your issue is obvious -- instead of being able to discuss SPECIFICs, you want to hide behind concepts like "in the minority" or "lets take a poll"

how about you provide SPECIFICS as to why Avery and Dino were such dissimilar players...bet you you can't!

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

Boo called him a dirty slimy punk and has his head on straight.

I call him a wimp and cstanton goes on a tirade.

Boo and I essentially agree on everything when we elaborate on Avery.

Your shtick is more tired than ol sc1907.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Phil:
Why do you think Brash is a goon? He is one of the cleanest fighters in the game. He would never pull that garbage that Avery does (or even the cheap shots that "non-fighters" like Crosby have!).

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

I don't need your email.

613 brook rd. apt 8
richmond, va 23220


Since you wanted my address, I assume you will be coming? Anytime.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:50 AM | Report abuse

Why do you think Brash is a goon? He is one of the cleanest fighters in the game. He would never pull that garbage that Avery does (or even the cheap shots that "non-fighters" like Crosby have!).

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:49 AM

All role playing fighters are essentially goons.

Plus, he has had his incidents. Couple of sucker punches come to mind... as well as that incident over in Europe.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:51 AM | Report abuse

since Phi is batting outside his league here, I will attempt to help him out

Dino Cicarelli - top 6 winger, undrafted, made his living in the crease against bigger players, threw big hits, was accused often of being a dirty chippy player, got arrested twice (once for an on-ice incident, once for an off-ice incident), was loved by his own team's fans, used his stick liberally (and not in a good way), scored important garbage goals, did whatever he could to throw the opposing goalie off his game etc etc etc


Sean Avery - hmmmm

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:53 AM | Report abuse

Boo called him a dirty slimy punk and has his head on straight.

I call him a wimp and cstanton goes on a tirade.

Boo and I essentially agree on everything when we elaborate on Avery.

Your shtick is more tired than ol sc1907.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

once again, you hide.

Let me explain since you're mentally challenged. Calling someone a dirty slimy punk is an emotional response -- I feel the same way about any opposing player who fits a certain bill - Hartnell, Upshall, Hollweg, Tucker, Laperriere, Avery etc.

Calling a player a "wimp"..well thats a more provable error. And it shows that you really don't understand hockey very well.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Phil:
The Europe incident?

BTW, Boo has her head on straight! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

I have to be honest. I thought it was funny as hell when Avery hung his stick out there to hit Thomas in the back of the head on the way by. This is the type of inventive "pest" material that is why he works so well for the Rangers. He stirs the game up and he's very good at that job. He also adds a little offense from time to time. Guys on the ice ALWAYS make an extra effort to give him an extra shot, it's amazing how much hate he can generate.

I don't know if he's had or ever will have the impact that a Dino or Hunter has, but you cannot deny (at least in a Rangers sweater) that his talent for stirring up the game is almost unmatched by anyone else in today's game. It's not always a positive thing, but for some reason when he's with the Rangers it always seems to be more positive than negative (for the Rangers I mean).

I think that kinda stuff like skating by and tapping the goalie with your stick is creative pest work, and you have to give him credit for it.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 5, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Dave:
You sure you want to get in the middle of this?!? ;-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 2:58 AM | Report abuse

RichPhil: Boo and I essentially agree on everything when we elaborate on Avery.


really? Boo just said he/she would love to have Avery on a hockey team.

Would you Phil? Would you take a "wimp" on your hockey team like Avery?

hehe...this oughta be good

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 2:58 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Sorry, but I would NOT want to have him on the team ... (and it is she, thank you!).

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:00 AM | Report abuse


I have to be honest. I thought it was funny as hell when Avery hung his stick out there to hit Thomas in the back of the head on the way by. This is the type of inventive "pest" material that is why he works so well for the Rangers. He stirs the game up and he's very good at that job. He also adds a little offense from time to time. Guys on the ice ALWAYS make an extra effort to give him an extra shot, it's amazing how much hate he can generate.

I don't know if he's had or ever will have the impact that a Dino or Hunter has, but you cannot deny (at least in a Rangers sweater) that his talent for stirring up the game is almost unmatched by anyone else in today's game. It's not always a positive thing, but for some reason when he's with the Rangers it always seems to be more positive than negative (for the Rangers I mean).

I think that kinda stuff like skating by and tapping the goalie with your stick is creative pest work, and you have to give him credit for it.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 5, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

and to add, the league likes that kind of stuff to a certain extent because it stirs up fan interest and team rivalries. Avery is good for the game. Go find a clip of Chad LaRose talking to Avery on the ice, its making its way around the Internet lately. He pretty much says the same thing -- that any team would like to have what Avery brings, and he himself tells Avery on the ice that he's good for the game. This is right before a faceoff and right before the two of them start hacking at each other.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:01 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Oops ... just read the post you were referring to - that was supposed to say HATE them in a Caps sweater, not HAVE. My bad.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:02 AM | Report abuse

whew

how can sean avery NOT be good for hockey. This dialogue just proved otherwise.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:03 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Oops ... just read the post you were referring to - that was supposed to say HATE them in a Caps sweater, not HAVE. My bad.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:02 AM | Report abuse

hehe, no worries Boo. Glad I didn't have to retract that :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:03 AM | Report abuse

The worst part about Avery is that he is a top 6 forward when he plays his game. He is a very, very effective pest with a really good knack for scoring.


Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:00 PM |

i luv da avery.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

Phil, no response on the Dino vs Avery comparison? i mean you were so adamant that they were dissimilar players and all....


this is how you weed out the fans who pretend to be hockey gurus - just talk specifics and watch them scatter like rats.

Got your address Phil..living in an apt huh..lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Dave, how funny would it have been if he had done that to Theo?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:06 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Hey, it's 3am ... what can I say?!?

I will confess that since Avery is such a clown he does provide a certain entertainment factor (i.e. "OMG, did he just do that?!?"), but I still hate the guy.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

The worst part about Avery is that he is a top 6 forward when he plays his game. He is a very, very effective pest with a really good knack for scoring.


Posted by: richmondphil | April 4, 2009 9:00 PM |

i luv da avery.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:04 AM | Report abuse

but he's still a wimp right

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
Hey, it's 3am ... what can I say?!?

I will confess that since Avery is such a clown he does provide a certain entertainment factor (i.e. "OMG, did he just do that?!?"), but I still hate the guy.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:07 AM | Report abuse

Boo I hate a LOT of players...doesn't mean I wouldn't want some of em on my team though. Therein lies the rub

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:08 AM | Report abuse

I typed a long-winded comparison, but thought it was too long.

There is no need. Do you really think Avery, a normal pest with a moderate flare for scoring is anything like a 500 goal scoring beast of a mean streak in Dino?


I see one comparison. They are both agitators. Everything else stacks up the other way. Avery's behavior isn't akin to anyone, and that is the point me and Boo make. He goes beyond other agitators in a way that is just mind blowing.
Avery is a very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, very, poor man's pest. You happy?

So let me know when you are coming, I will email you my number and we can meet up.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Phil/cstanton1:
Can you guys please attack the issue without attacking each other?

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:12 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
The thought of Avery in a Caps sweater turns my stomach. Plus I think he would be really disruptive in the locker room - I don't see him meshing with our guys.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:13 AM | Report abuse

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Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:14 AM | Report abuse

I'm sure it was full of inaccuracies but amusing nonetheless.

Look at my specific comparisons again. You're going to use just a career goal-total statistic to validate why you felt my comparison was completely out of the ball park? hoser


really? so the fact that they both are reviled by opposing players/fans, both played the same game in the crease with regards to creating chaos and garbage goals etc etc etc....that doesn't factor in huh?

you must not have watched much hockey in the 80s

no, you just described Tyson Nash.

coolio

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:10 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:16 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
The thought of Avery in a Caps sweater turns my stomach. Plus I think he would be really disruptive in the locker room - I don't see him meshing with our guys.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:13 AM | Report abuse

I'd agree with that, the current Caps hockey team doesn't really invite players with a real edge to their games. It won't mesh with the personality of the team.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:18 AM | Report abuse

Ugh ... I'm done with this debate! :-) To end things on a high note, here's a great video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdf4GeT4ELA

An oldie but a goodie ... gotta love Clark the Canadian Hockey Goalie.

Cheers, all!

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:19 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
"I'd agree with that, the current Caps hockey team doesn't really invite players with a real edge to their games. It won't mesh with the personality of the team."

Exactly.

Nite all!

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

Boo.

Is Avery like Dino Cicarelli?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

ok here's a link that RichPhil himself posted to apparently prove that Avery is a turtling wimp. Does anyone see evidence of this in this video?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqKdlQr743M&feature=related

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Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

gee here's another apparent example of what a wimp Avery apparently is-- here he takes on a bigger stronger opponent in Eddie Jov after Jovo laid a big hit on Avery's teammate Belanger

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDQBogfOEQw&feature=related

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:23 AM | Report abuse

so the fact that they both are reviled by opposing players/fans, both played the same game in the crease with regards to creating chaos and garbage goals etc etc etc....that doesn't factor in huh?

This describes hundreds of players.

So hundreds of players, including Avery are like Dino Cicarelli?

Oh, okay. I see it now. No, what set Dino apart WAS just that. His offensive prowess.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:23 AM | Report abuse

Boo.

Is Avery like Dino Cicarelli?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:21 AM | Report abuse

i love it! you can't debate this on your own so you're hoping to prove me wrong by getting someone else to support you? good one!

specifics buddy..do you have any? i didn't think so. Keep posting video links that keep proving me right.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:24 AM | Report abuse

Yeah man, calling the refs over to stop the fight in that Ott fight was totally un-wimp like.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:24 AM | Report abuse

so the fact that they both are reviled by opposing players/fans, both played the same game in the crease with regards to creating chaos and garbage goals etc etc etc....that doesn't factor in huh?

This describes hundreds of players.

So hundreds of players, including Avery are like Dino Cicarelli?

Oh, okay. I see it now. No, what set Dino apart WAS just that. His offensive prowess.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:23 AM | Report abuse

so if you take a completely finesse lady byng candidate who scores 500 goals in this league, does that make them equivalent to a Dino Ciccarelli? I mean judging from your argument, the only thing that apparently matters when you compare any player is the sum total of goals they score over the course of a career, correct? Hmm....let me go find a totally finesse hockey player who scored the same # of goals as Dale Hunter and say that both players were similar.

Its too easy to blow holes in your arguments and its making me sleepy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:27 AM | Report abuse

Yeah man, calling the refs over to stop the fight in that Ott fight was totally un-wimp like.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:24 AM | Report abuse

was it wimp-like when he stood up for his teammate who took a big hit from Jovocop? I mean, thats what wimps do right?

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:28 AM | Report abuse

hey since you like Avery vids so much, here's one where he takes on Richards - again, a bigger player. And i'm sorry, but show me the turtling wimpiness again?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yG8lCTGOzvU&feature=related

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:31 AM | Report abuse

hey here's another clip of Avery sticking up for a teammate after a big hit. Another wimpy move eh!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W-MzxhstSGI&feature=related

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

so if you take a completely finesse lady byng candidate who scores 500 goals in this league, does that make them equivalent to a Dino Ciccarelli? I mean judging from your argument, the only thing that apparently matters when you compare any player is the sum total of goals they score over the course of a career, correct? Hmm....let me go find a totally finesse hockey player who scored the same # of goals as Dale Hunter and say that both players were similar.

Its too easy to blow holes in your arguments and its making me sleepy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | April 5, 2009 3:27 AM |

What?

No, it infers that he is a puck mucker, agitator type who can also score 500 goals.

It in no way means anyone with 500 goals is like Dino Cicarelli.

Roenick is.

Malone is a far better comparison to Dino than Avery.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:33 AM | Report abuse

Pat Verbeek anyone?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:35 AM | Report abuse

Avery is the definition of non-wimp and is the epitome if Dino Cicarelli.

goodnight.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 3:36 AM | Report abuse

Good news that its minor, Feds found his game recently and needs to carry on into PO.

P.S. Crosby and Malkin didn't get any points last game, so Ovie gets an opportunity to get closer to Geno and further away from Crosby.

Posted by: Hazz | April 5, 2009 5:21 AM | Report abuse

@caraveli,

I must admit, I'm not the person who came up with Philthy as what to call the Flyers. I think I picked it up from someone else who posted on this site. But it just seems so fitting and so appropriate for them. They do play filthy. I've also heard the following names for other teams, generally not complimentary: Rags or Blue Shirts for the Rangers, Flightless Fowl for the Penguins, Slugs for the Sabres, Isles or Fish Sticks for the Islanders, and Kitty Cats for the Panthers. It's interesting you suggest Crosby for Philthy. A player I think would be appropriate for Philthy would be David Backes. Anyone who saw the Caps game against the St. Louis Blues would understand why.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 8:50 AM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao

In that list of PPG players, that means once we eliminate Kariya and Gaborik, we're down to Ovi, Malkin, Crosby, and Semin. Okay Semin, time to get your act together for the last few games and pass up Malkin and Crosby in that department. (okay, lol)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 8:52 AM | Report abuse

cstanton1: How about you CHILL?! Wow. Got a little trouble listening to people with different opinions? No need to personally attack people like richmondphil. Your argument about Caps fans probably not liking Brash when he was a Flyer but like him now cause he's a Cap doesn't really make sense. Brash and Sean Avery are two different people. Brash doesn't run around like a little pest like Avery does, he doesn't purposely run over goalies, or knock goalie's masks off, or waves his stick in front of goalies. Like Boo said, it's not that I don't think he is a good player or that his tactics are effective, it's the way he goes about doing it.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 5, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

@hannah8

Well, after the Caps last loss against the Hurricans, I was pretty da** mad. The next day, I was even mad enough to wish the flu on them (since I had just found out that Semin was ill).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

Boy, we need something else to wrangle about. Things are just going too well, so we have to pick on each other personally over stupid stuff so that we have something to fight and argue about.

As for the edge question ... I have the impression that that has been noticed and is being dealt with. Has anyone else noticed that three out of our last four signings are known for their edge, either for pest status or simply being willing and able to flatten opposing players? (For reference, they are: Trevor Bruess, Zach Miskovic, Stefan Della Rovere, and Joe Finley.)

I've also noticed that as the season goes on, our boys are willing to put up with less and less crap. They're learning. It's a continual evolving process in which holes are being noticed and fixed, again following the system and the plan. I look forward to seeing what all of these guys and Della Rovere in particular bring to the table. Fighting doesn't happen much in the playoffs, so it's more important to me that the players don't put up with crap than that they actually drop the gloves.

Posted by: kittypawz | April 5, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75: That's going kind of far, don't you think?

Posted by: kittypawz | April 5, 2009 9:17 AM | Report abuse

I know this conversation was last night but Avery seriously needs help. He has problems. What he did was so out of line, it's unbelievable. He acts like he did nothing, like it was a complete accident, he just happen to have his stick out like that and it just hit the back of Thomas' head. That guy has problems. That is not a way to get under player's skin, it's classless and uncalled for.

Posted by: rachel216 | April 5, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

WOW.....just got done reading the one/two/three oclock debate.

Some players play with an edge, some players play with a double edge. Some players play the game to win at any cost, if these players are on yor team you love them, if they are not you hate them.

The main thing I see with Avery is he is disruptive to his own team/locker room, and from what I can best tell most of these other players are not (Hunter,Bobby Clark ect).

Avery did that yesterday to try to help his team. Say what you want that was his objective. Was is wrong yes, if it worked the Rangers and there fans would have loved it.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | April 5, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 - David Backes would fit into the Penguins just perfectly, the low-down, cheap little punk!

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In all seriousness, I do not like David Backes one little tiny bit.

As a side note, I *do* like Chris Pronger. Yes, he hits hard, yes, he hurt one of our guys, but he doesn't go out of his way to be a punk like Backes does. Or like Avery does. He just hits hard, and clean.

I will say the same for Milan Lucic. I've never heard anything to indicate *he's* a punk... just a hard-hitting guy.

And as for Sean Avery... I wouldn't have him in a Caps sweater unless it was a choice between him and Sidney Crosby! He IS an effective pest - when playing for the right team. The Rangers are that team. For any other team, Avery has been described as a cancer in the locker room, and we don't need that kind of jerkosity around here.

Re: Backes/Avery vs. Brashear - Brashear is NOT a punk. I wasn't following hockey as closely when he was with the Penguins, so I don't know what my thoughts on him would have been and can't speak to that, but having met the man, and listened to him speak, I will never call him a punk in future.

He fights when he has to, avoids taking excessive "extra" penalties (instigator, misconduct, etc.), and I'll be very glad to have him back on the ice!

Posted by: irockthered | April 5, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1 - Re: my cuz went and saw the Stingrays play and said Della Rovere looks very good so far. He's a tough kid who can skate well and is getting good minutes down there and PP time. I think he'll be a Caps regular player on this roster within 2 years. He's got all the tools and he'll provide that Sean Avery/Steve Ott presence up here that this team lacks. He has a good chance to be a 3rd liner at the NHL level. Within 2 years you'll see Boyd Gordon, Brashear and possibly Bradley exit this roster and kids like Della Rovere and Pinozotto replace them on the bottom 2 lines. And Kip Brennan may get a chance to take over for Brash next season.

I very much liked what I saw when I saw Kip Brennan play for the Bears the last time I was up there. I agree that he would be a good candidate for a replacement for Brashear.

Had Grant McNeill not been injured for several weeks (broken hand), I would have liked to see him play in the big leagues, as well, to see what he could do for us. He's also a good enforcer-type, though he's spent most of the season riding the pine for reasons unknown to me (since I'm not at all the Hershey games - Anyone?)

I haven't gotten the chance to watch Della Rovere yet this season, and won't, since it's almost over, but the feedback is good. From everything else I've heard, he seems to be a "pest" type... Just the sort of guy you'd like. ;-)

As to whether we actually *need* a pest... that remains to be seen. There are plenty of teams at the NHL level who don't have pests and are still perfectly good teams.

Posted by: irockthered | April 5, 2009 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Wow, am I the only one up?

Got two interesting replies from the Officials' Association this morning.

My first question was:

Player A (Team A) has the puck and is skating towards Goalie B on an odd-man breakaway.

Player B (Team B) checks Player A (legally); Player A cannot control his movement after the check, and both he and Player B both fall into Goalie B.

No goal is scored; the puck is deflected off in another direction. The play is whistled dead.

Before Player A can get up, Goalie B punches Player A in the head.

What gets called?

My take? OK, goalie interference on Player A, because Player A falling into him did cause a problem with the goalie doing his job... But Player A's fall was *caused* by Player B's open-ice check, and Player B *also* fell against Player A, so I don't know for sure on that...

But if I *did* call goalie interference, I would ALSO call roughing on Goalie B for the punch to Player A's head. It was an actual "haul off and sock him one" punch, not something incidental.

The answer:

Goalie B for roughing, that is all.

Player A was knocked into the goalie by Player B and had no way of not hitting the goalie as Player B also hit the goalie.

Remember, Player B initiated the hit that caused Player A to go into the goalie, and both hit the goalie.

For goalie interference call, the attacking player must be able to avoid hitting the goalie and still hit the goalie. Getting hit by a player on the other team and they both go into the goalie doesn't count.

Posted by: irockthered | April 5, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

irockthered

the refs made the wrong call there. But they also made the wrong call on the voided goal by the BUF. Refs makes mistakes (sometimes too many) but I never see the "bias against the Caps" that many in this boards see . I'm pretty sure that's just me lol

Posted by: mauree | April 5, 2009 10:38 AM | Report abuse

Ok sorry, I definitely post and passed out. 2 late nights in a row I wasn't going to stay up didn't know the discussion was still going on.

Phil...even if he did it to Theo I'd just have to shake my head at how just...perfect of a pest move that is. He makes it seem to innocent but it draws such a reaction. I'd be cheering for Brash or whoever to go plant him into the wall but that's just because he's on the other team.

We need 2 points tonight in the worst way, it looks like New Jersey is back on track no more free rides.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 5, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

some one forgot to leave a wake up call for Tarik and Katie .

Posted by: billd2 | April 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

Hey mauree! Are you trying to cause trouble again?!? If so, care to weigh in on the Avery debate? ;-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

irtr,

"And as for Sean Avery... I wouldn't have him in a Caps sweater unless it was a choice between him and Sidney Crosby"

A 100+ point center and you'd rather have Avery? I know we bust Cindy's chops left and right, but come the he@@ on.

Posted by: Steve_R | April 5, 2009 10:50 AM | Report abuse

billd2:
They were up late reading the Avery debate.

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Boo

moi? Causing troubles? I don't recall ever doing that *puppy eyes*

Posted by: mauree | April 5, 2009 10:51 AM | Report abuse

Steve_R:
Plus Ovi, Brash, Sexy Lumberjack and the boys could toughen Sid up! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 10:54 AM | Report abuse

Steve:
P.S. Heck, even Semin "I just wanna bang on the drums all day" could toughen him up.

mauree:
Whatever! :-P

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

Boo:
Were you guys all drinking last night between 2 and 3:30 AM?

Posted by: rw-c | April 5, 2009 11:04 AM | Report abuse

Joe:
No but we should have been!

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

Boo:
It got hard to keep up.
Was all the brouhaha about whether Avery is a wimp or a punk?

Posted by: rw-c | April 5, 2009 11:20 AM | Report abuse

Joe:
LOL!! It sounds funny when you put it that way. The brouhaha was all over the place ... is a wimp? is he a punk? is he effective? is he good for the NHL? would we want him as a Cap? do we cut (former) Caps slack when it comes to such antics? can his style really be compared to that of any (former) Cap? (I could go on, but I am getting exhausted just thinking about it ... but you get the drift.)

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

Boo:
I agree with you that I wouldn't want him on the Caps. I might have to go back to my prior, temporary allegiance to the Rangers (I lived in New Rochelle NY for three years before moving to Reston in 1972 -- had season tickets to the GOOD Rangers, Jean Ratelle, Rod Gilbert, Ed Giacomin, and got to see Bobby Orr several times a year make the Rangers look silly).

Posted by: rw-c | April 5, 2009 11:37 AM | Report abuse

Joe:
Yup, Avery + Caps = Total Mess (I think that is one thing that everyone actually agreed on, but there were so many posts I could be wrong! :-)).

Speaking of the Caps, time to start getting ready for the big game ... I hope the boys bring it!!

LET'S GO CAPS!!!!!!!!

Posted by: --Boo-- | April 5, 2009 11:41 AM | Report abuse

@kittypawz,

Yes, I did go too far -- in wishing illness on Carolina after our last loss to them. I got over it by the end of the day (on Sunday). I was probably more mad at the time since Carolina's guys were getting downright chippy.

Overall, I think Philthy's more dirty. And the NY Islanders are definitely dirty. If they ever got good again, I would hate them. I'm an old NY Islander hater from way back.

Don't like the Penguins either. Their guys are like my daughter's middle school rivals (back when she was in MS).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

@Davethecapsfan,

Yes, the Caps need 2 points in the worst way. They also need to win in games I see. Their winning percentage when I go to games is way worse than their normal winning percentage. They won the first 5 I saw, then lost 1, then won 1, and have lost ever since for 6-5-1. (God, with that track record, you'd think I was following the Rangers or the Habs.)

Like you, I went to bed earlier last night. I was tired since I stayed up too late Friday.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

After hearing all the discussion on Avery's latest antics, I can't believe that people were comparing Ovi's 50th goal celebration to Avery. Give me a break! While maybe it wasn't Ovi's best choice, Avery sounds a lot worse.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@irockthered

So you'd rather stick him (David Backes) with the Pens rather than with Philthy. With his high number of penalty minutes, he would fit right in with Philthy. Yes, what a godda** scum.

I'm not a Pens fan either. If he were there, I guess it would be appropriate that the guy who knocked out one of my favorite players to be on the team who reminds me of my daughter's middle school rivals. (Trash talking guys.)

After that game, I refuse to ever refer to Nick Backstrom as Backis (sp?) since the name is too close to Backes. (I once misspelled Backes as Backis and someone pointed it out. Guess I'm used to more last names ending with "is" than "es", such as many last Greek or Lithuanian last names.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 12:02 PM | Report abuse

So who will sit out in today's game. Usually, anyone taking extra drills in the previous day's practice (before or after)is it. Brash was doing some extra skating and he's already confirmed to be out.

As for the D, Green was skating around for extra laps. Okay, the Caps have clinched but he's the last guy I would expect to sit out for a healthy scratch. He's our only real star on the D. (Unless he was skating extra to delay the inevitable -- the task of serving juice to the guys since, according to other posters, he lost at Juice Boy.) I was at practice yesterday but couldn't follow the proceedings too well.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

@rw-c

Do you still live in Reston? I've been a resident for the last 20 odd years.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | April 5, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

I suggest that the Caps send who ever still have the flu when the Playoffs start into the other teams locker room a few hours before they arrive and cough all over the lockers and anything else he can thing of. Typhoid Sasha.

Posted by: RichC3 | April 5, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I suggest that the Caps send who ever still have the flu when the Playoffs start into the other teams locker room a few hours before they arrive and cough all over the lockers and anything else he can thing of. Typhoid Sasha.

Posted by: RichC3 | April 5, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
No, I left Reston in 2001 when I retired from the federal government. We moved to Martinsburg, WV, where our property borders the Opequon Creek, useful for kayaking.

Fortunately, we're still in the DC viewing area, so I get to watch all the Caps' games.

Posted by: rw-c | April 5, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

This was the quote from Tim Thomas after the game.

"I really like the fact that we kept our composure and got the win," Thomas said. "If you can react and not have it affect your game, then he didn't do his job and it didn't work."

Thats all Avery wanted to do get TT or any of the B's off of there game.If it worked he would have been a saint to the Rags fans.


Posted by: Capsfannmiss | April 5, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

DaveUK

If you saw the end of Man Utd's game a few minutes ago you know what I'm talking about. Sickest finish I've seen all year both of Ronaldo's goals were sublime and Macheda's debut was legendary.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | April 5, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know of any websites or have any links where I can watch today's game live?

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | April 5, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

my drunk late night defense of Avery still stands.

He is a wimp and ain't no Dino Cicarelli.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

This was the quote from Tim Thomas after the game.

"I really like the fact that we kept our composure and got the win," Thomas said. "If you can react and not have it affect your game, then he didn't do his job and it didn't work."

EXACTLY. If you have to do "innovative" pest moves that require rules to be made up after it (stick waving), or a pest move that is just disrespectful and does not even work (hitting thomas for no reason.), you are doing something wrong.


I will say this again, Avery is a top 6 forward on almost any team and he has a really good knack for getting the puck in the net.

There's tons of pests I love because they play their role correctly. Avery is just an ass.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

Guys like Avery, Mclearen, McSorley, Bertuzzi, etc; these incidents and personas is what makes hockey a joke to the rest of the world.

I LOVED Bertuzzi before that incident. Can I recognize he is a good player? yes. Is he an ass? yes.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

Just got on the train heading to the Phonebooth.

LET'S GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: ludeman95 | April 5, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

"this guy who is defending Avery against me also thinks he is a spitting, modern image of Dino Cicarelli.


wut?"


LOL Dino did more dirty work than pretty much any modern player.

Even in the 80s as the game was played 500 miles an hour he still did the dirty work.

And yeah, Dino has 600 goals, does Avery have 60 yet?

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Dino also was "dirty", but he was a talented dirty player. Dale Hunter as well. You hate them untill they are on your team.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | April 5, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

@Boo

RE: Brash

The incident in Europe was during the last lockout. Brash pummeled someone into oblivion. He just mounted him and pounded away, even after he was KO'd.

Plus, at least 3 different cheapshots come to mind, including a glorious one after he scored on another goober goon, Chris Simon.

Posted by: richmondphil | April 5, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

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