Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: kcarrera and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Sports and Redskins  |  RSS

Fedorov Says He Was Swindled Out of $43 Million

Former Capitals center Sergei Fedorov has filed a lawsuit in Michigan contending that Joseph Zada, his former financial adviser, swindled him out of $43 million over the last 11 years, the Detroit Free Press is reporting.

According to the Free Press, Zada said the money Fedorov gave him was a loan, not an investment. Zada also said that he agreed to give Fedorov $60 million to resolve the matter earlier this year, but the lawsuit contends that the money has not been repaid.

Late last month, Fedorov, 39, signed a two-year deal with Metallurg Magnitogorsk of the Kontinental Hockey League in Russia. In 91 games (regular season and playoffs) over two seasons with the Capitals, Fedorov had 15 goals and 44 assists.

By Matt Bonesteel  |  July 23, 2009; 1:57 PM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Caps to Remain With Bonneville
Next: Jurcina Unlikely to Avoid Arbitration

Comments

Now that's just a lot of money.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 23, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Yeah I wish I had that much money to lose, lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Holy jumping ... no wonder he needed the money? Smite him hard, Feds.

From previous thread:

@richmondphil: You mean GMGM actually did something right? STOP THE PRESSES! o.o

Haha, no seriously.

@LeftCoastCapsFan: I know you and I have had our differences, but it's all part of a healthy discussion. We'd be pretty darned bored if we all agreed all the time, yes? As long as the discussion remains fact-based, civil, and respectful, I don't see a problem. When people start jumping down each other's throats and making personal attacks, that's when the discussion goes down Stupid Lane and I stop reading.

As I said in a previous thread, it's easy to get led down the path of pessimism when faced with the unknown. I know, I've had it happen to me. We as Caps fans are in a drought of hockey slated to last for about two more months, faced with enough roster and coaching turnover in our lineup to leave a goodly number of question marks about what will happen in the fall. The fact is that we just don't know what's next. Add that to a Caps fanbase that is still smarting pretty bad from the loss to Crysby and Pittsburgh, and you've got the makings of a lot of scared and pessimistic people. The stats are simply a way of looking for a reason to be hopeful and (usually) not finding it, since having faith is infinitely harder than having logic.

Statistics, when taken as a group, can provide a pretty accurate picture of the past, things that have already happened. For that reason, they can't be entirely discounted. But, the fact is that there are no stats that will tell us the future, and past performance is no indicator of future success in sports, just like in the stock market.

So, I advise everyone to chill out, sit back, and pick another sport to watch, even if you're not as crazy about it as hockey. I fell asleep in front of the Nats / Mets game last night, though I was awake for Josh Willingham's 2-run homer. Watching baseball's about like watching paint dry, but it beats speculating myself into a furball about the future. Soccer's rather better, and DC United is a pretty good team if I can find them televised.

@CapsFan75: Thanks! Still working on it, albeit slowly. It got put on hold for a while. Also, it looks as if I may step out of the work furball for political reasons. We'll see.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 23, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: alexanderperlmutter | July 23, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Here's the link to the full story in The Detroit Free Press.

http://www.freep.com/article/20090722/NEWS05/90722108/Ex-Wing-Fedorov--Adviser-swiped--43M

Posted by: puckman | July 23, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz: I don't recall us having any differences that would warrant the same distaste I have for some of the other posters. In fact, you're one of the few posters whose words I read and learn from. I haven't even been a Capitals fan for a year yet and have often times been lead to believe that I'm not a real Capitals fan because I allegedly discovered them at the height of Ovi-mania. If it was all about Ovi, I doubt I'd be wearing a #28 jersey. But yeah, I'm chilling out and riding high on the fact that I scored tickets to the Rangers game on Oct 8th. Looking forward to sitting next to my cousin watching intently on how it'll be with Brash being on the other team. *sigh*

I'll try not to let the troll fans get to me but sometimes....ARRRGH! They're just askin' for it. =P

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

What the hell are we going to do with Aucoin? Isn't he on an NHL contract this year?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 23, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mrszilla | July 23, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoast-I haven't even been a Capitals fan for a year yet and have often times been lead to believe that I'm not a real Capitals fan because I allegedly discovered them at the height of Ovi-mania

------------------------------------------

Thx, explains a lot now.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Aucoin allegedly wasn't very happy we signed Brendan Mo. There is no room for him in Washington this year.

He'll be top line center again at Hershey or he'll demand a trade.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@leftcoastcapsfan: I remember a day on here when you cussed me out :) I blew it off but figured you had issues with me. If not, no worries. :) And if it helps, I'm relatively new too - I came on board during the playoff run on 2007-2008, and am headed into my second year as a season-ticket holder. I read and learned throughout the year and last summer, and am much better educated than I was last summer. I won't go so far as to say I know everything - who does? - but if you remember that there's n+1 sides to every story (n being the number of people involved, and the +1 being the actual truth) it's pretty easy to dissect a situation from others' comments.

You scored tix to the Rangers game? Awesome :) Have a good time. Let us know how it goes - I'll probably be watching on television. I found that me attending away games was generally not a good thing - we lost just about every time I went - but I may hit one or two this year depending on availability.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 23, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

According to whom?

Also, he might not get to be the top center in Hershey, because we'd lose him to waivers trying to send him there.. NHL contract. So I'm thinking either room is made for him or he gets traded. Any theories? Anybody?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 23, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: Don't get too high on yourself, man. I've noticed that many longtime Caps fans have self-imposed blinders and prejudices and tend to view everything with a jaundiced instead of realistic eye, and thus miss things that the newbies catch onto.

And, what's your source on the Aucoin thing? Aucoin and Bourque still both have a shot out of camp, and depending on when Fehr is 100%, both of them could find themselves in red. I like Aucoin better as a winger anyway in this system, he's not all that in his own end and his FO% is atrocious for a center.

One thing McPhee and Boudreau were both very clear on in that call: Nothing is decided. The young guys will have to push the veterans out of their spots, but if they do, then so be it.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 23, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

@thiazzi: I think a trade's in the offing still. I hesitated to say this, knowing that this comment will spark a lot of stupid "do this trade!" comments, but I'll bite and say it anyway: GMGM indicated in that phone call that "[they] have room to do a couple more things" this offseason. And they do, if you look at this from Capgeek.com:

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Michael Nylander ($4.875m) / Alexander Semin ($4.600m)
Mike Knuble ($2.800m) / Chris Clark ($2.633m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($2.400m)
Brooks Laich ($2.067m) / Brendan Morrison ($1.500m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m)
Boyd Gordon ($0.761m) / Dave Steckel ($0.725m) / Tomas Fleischmann ($0.725m)
Chris Bourque ($0.578m) / Keith Aucoin ($0.487m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green ($5.250m) / Tom Poti ($3.500m)
Brian Pothier ($2.500m) / Shaone Morrisonn ($1.975m)
Karl Alzner ($1.675m) / John Erskine ($1.250m)
Jeff Schultz ($0.715m)
GOALTENDERS
Jose Theodore ($4.500m) / Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 23; PAYROLL: $57.243m; CAP ROOM: $2.007m BONUSES: $2.450m

You don't want to go crazy with the bonus cushion, though, since if the bonuses are awarded, they count against your cap hit for next season. With the cap expected to go down and the Caps resigning a bunch of key players (Backstrom, Semin, Steckel, Varlamov, Neuvirth), playing too much with the bonus cushion could come back and bite us in the butt.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 23, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

kitty - you obviously weren't privy to the fact LeftCoast decided to stalk me around this board and basically accuse me of not being a caps fan because i was critical of a couple of our players. So my comment at him originated out of that. He's a newbie but he thinks he knows what it takes to be a fan so he's going to impose those paramaters on someone who's been a fan for 25x longer.


As to the Aucoin thing - I said "allegedly" because of some scuttlebutt on the Hershey board regarding Aucoin. And in all honesty, Aucoin is way too small to be an effective winger in the nhl. His only shot is at center - and with Backstrom, BMo, Steckel, Gordon and possibly Laich ahead of him, there isn't room. I'd be shocked if the Caps currently look at him as a possible roster spot.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

One thing McPhee and Boudreau were both very clear on in that call: Nothing is decided. The young guys will have to push the veterans out of their spots, but if they do, then so be it.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 23, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse


They say that every year. Its simply not true. I've seen young defensemen outplay veteran defensemen and still not make the team. In reality, you have to take other things into consideration (which players will have an easier time clearing waivers, cap space etc etc). IF we play 6 exhibition games and Aucoin scores 5 goals and Boyd Gordon scores 1 or 2, Aucoin will still have a hard time displacing Gordo. Steckel could score zero and still have a guaranteed roster spot. Brendan Morrison could also score zero and won't have to worry about losing his roster spot. Take what the coach and GM says with a grain of salt. They're trying to promote competition, that is all.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so you don't think he makes the team.

What do you think happens to him? Do they risk sending him through waivers?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 23, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

I'm terrible when it comes to figuring out waiver rules. But if he has to clear waivers to be sent to Hershey, yes thats what will happen to him. I think with Chris Bourque who will also have to clear waivers, they'll have to make a risky call. Either keep him on the team if he plays very well, or package him in a trade, or risk the waiver wire. Remember, in that period of time, every nhl team has guys they are sending thru waivers whom they consider to be good players. Its kind of an unwritten rule in the nhl (that MOST GMs abide by) that you don't go picking up players on waivers from other teams unless you absolutely have a hole you're trying to fill. The Caps have generally stayed away from other team's waiver players (esp the ones that those teams really care about, not the Rico Fatas of this world). In return, most teams will probably respect our own waiver players.

Last year the Ducks and Canucks got into a bit of a waiver war as did some other teams. Even though its perfectly legal to pluck players off waivers, you do risk pi__ing off teams when you pluck their better players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

and look - Aucoin's a decent depth player, nothing more. With the kind of depth we have currently, its not going to kill us if we lose him. It may affect Hershey but it won't affect us.

And I'm not saying that a kid won't push a veteran out of a spot - its just that most likely it will be a Carlson/Alzner or Osala/Bourque who does it -- not Aucoin.

And correct me if I'm mistaken, but doesn't Aucoin make an NHL level salary no matter where he plays - AHL or NHL? That could also scare teams off from taking him. And it makes it easier for us to pass him thru waivers. Last yr we took a chance with Erskine. This year we can't risk that.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, you're probably right about GMs not wanting to get a reputation for being waiver pickers. With that said, about 20 different teams tried to pick up Kris Beech a couple years ago, including us.

I dunno! I hope he makes the team as the 4th line left winger. We'll see, I guess.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 23, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Feds should send Joe Finley and his lawnmower over to Zada's house.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 23, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

How in the world can you be stalked online???? Somebody has some serious paranoia issues.

To all the newbie Caps fans: I saw my first Caps game in 1974, third game ever for the franchise, a 5-3 loss to the Maple Leafs, and saw the first shutout in franchise history, Ron Low's 3-0 whitewashing of the KC Scouts in March 1975. I became a serious fan in 1985 and remember players like Timo Blomqvist, Darren Veitch and Mike McEwen, among many others. I still have the autographed player card Bengt Gustafsson gave me when Anton was a gleam in his eye. But....unlike some long standing fans, or those who just like to complain, I'm not bitter or pessimistic. I think the organization is headed in the right direction, tho I do have some issues with McPhee (picking Fehr over Getzlaf, not signing Johnny Oduya, not signing a veteran stay at home defenseman after the lockout and a few other things). So don't judge every longtime Caps fan by a few bad apples. I think the complainers are actually very few, but vocal. Best to just ignore them

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 23, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Well OK then...let's hear it straight from cstanton (The Caps' should-be General Manager and the Über-Authority on all things hockey):

Tell us, O cstanton: By your august and exhalted definition, exactly what ARE the attributes of a "REAL" Caps Fan?

C'mon, cstanton: based on your previous posts, you know absolutely everything there is to know about hockey, and nobody else knows diddlysquat, right?...surely you can share the requested bit of wisdom with us mere mortals and other bandwagoning vermin (e.g., anyone with less than 25 years as an 'accredited' Caps fan).

Bottom line, if you're an STH, how nice for you....And if you're not, then THAT'S OK, TOO.

Just remember that another person's being unable to afford STH status--or claim status as a Caps' fan dating back to the birth of the franchise--doesn't make their commmitment to the Weagle (i.e., support of the Caps) any less 'Real'.

'nuff said!

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

lol, so a longtime fan who critiques some moves or players is automatically a "bad apple" ? wow, that's very broadminded of you.

Thiazzi--
Guys like Beech are fair game to be picked up because the teams he has been part of didn't try to sneak him thru waivers hoping against hope that no one would touch him. He was fairly expendable and McPhee probably knew that when he grabbed him. If McPhee has any doubt, he'd probably just pick up the phone and make a courtesy call to the other GM. Vancouver tried to pass Mike Brown thru waivers and when they found out certain teams would not allow him to go thru, they pulled him back. Unfortunately, they were forced to trade him to the Ducks when the Ducks picked up another player Vanc was hoping to hold onto in Nathan McIver. When Vanc suffered defensive injuries, they needed McIver more than Brown so they traded Brown to the Ducks to get McIver back. Confusing? yeah -- but thats part of the waiver game. McPhee does not play that game and I'm sure his thinking is that other teams will respect Caps waiver players more.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Well said Rhino40. I feel that every Caps fan is family...except for the ones who do nothing but complain. I don't always drink the Kool Aid that Leonsis serves us, but constant criticism without any sense of objectivity is as bad, or worse, than unrealistic optimism

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 23, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

lol, so a longtime fan who critiques some moves or players is automatically a "bad apple" ? wow, that's very broadminded of you.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:20 PM

SOME MOVES??? Try every move. You have pretty much nothing good to say about anything McPhee does. Show me one post where you said something positive

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 23, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Well OK then...let's hear it straight from cstanton (The Caps' should-be General Manager and the Über-Authority on all things hockey):

Tell us, O cstanton: By your august and exhalted definition, exactly what ARE the attributes of a "REAL" Caps Fan?

C'mon, cstanton: based on your previous posts, you know absolutely everything there is to know about hockey, and nobody else knows diddlysquat, right?...surely you can share the requested bit of wisdom with us mere mortals and other bandwagoning vermin (e.g., anyone with less than 25 years as an 'accredited' Caps fan).

Bottom line, if you're an STH, how nice for you....And if you're not, then THAT'S OK, TOO.

Just remember that another person's being unable to afford STH status--or claim status as a Caps' fan dating back to the birth of the franchise--doesn't make their commmitment to the Weagle (i.e., support of the Caps) any less 'Real'.

'nuff said!

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

This is what happens when you stick your nose in the middle of something that you have no knowledge of. You complete mischaracterized this entire discussion so let me recap it for you and for anyone else who is confused.

I have not made any statements about what it takes to be a fan of any team. I have not tried to define that. I simply state my opinion on players. I don't go stating my opinions of other fans the way some people on here are prone to do. Will I react to a personal slam? Sure, but I think I let LeftCoastCapsfan hit me several times with some zingers before I responded. His position basically was that I wasn't a true Caps fan becuse I was hypercritical of a couple of players and maybe the GM. So it wasn't me trying to define what a true fan was. It was me being defined, and after I find out this kid's been a fan for a year or so, sure it it completes the picture for me-- LeftCoast is some johnny come lately fan who thinks that a longterm fan has no business criticizing his own team.
So go direct your message to him, not to me.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

Hoo boy, you know it's really time for the season to start when fans of the same team all start picking on each other in the blog. We need a common enemy---the next team that the Caps play! C'mon, October!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 23, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

SOME MOVES??? Try every move. You have pretty much nothing good to say about anything McPhee does. Show me one post where you said something positive

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 23, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

The rest of you do such a great job wetting yourselves over every McPhee move, there's no need for me to point em out. But the record, since you asked -- you ever hear me singing John Carlson's praises ? Well..that was a McPhee move was it not ?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: Oops, looks like I'm stalking you again. As far as my being a newbie, it's your snide remarks like that that make it unbearable thinking you're a Capitals fan. And I will call you out because you stand out like a judgmental cad with anyone who dares make a comment that goes against anything you say. So, as you're prone to disrespecting people besides myself on this board, I find it amusing that you choose to think that I'm the only person who takes issue with your need to comment on EVERYTHING posted on here.

I find it amusing too that you think I have that much sway over you. You'll note that I've refrained from even commenting on your posts because someone else with more knowledge than yourself comes around and debates you on it and is more effective at logically dismissing your stance on anything you believe your 25 plus years as a critical Capitals fan gives you over them. No offense, but I try not to p*ss on the hand that feeds me. You get great hockey from the Capitals. It'd be nice if you'd not waste your time insulting them and their management team because you shockingly believe you could do better. It's just insulting for you to think that you could make those comments and anyone who takes offense to it, is just going to sit there and let it pass.

My time is too important to waste my time reading your cynical comments and your tendency to overindulge yourself to see whose got the bigger hockey stick with all your hockey stats. Get over yourself. For someone your age to be engaging in that kind of behavior on a public forum is just embarrassing.

Oh, and the next time, I'm on the message board, it certainly isn't because of you. Get a grip, Captain Self-Centered.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Bottom line, if you're an STH, how nice for you....And if you're not, then THAT'S OK, TOO.

Just remember that another person's being unable to afford STH status--or claim status as a Caps' fan dating back to the birth of the franchise--doesn't make their commmitment to the Weagle (i.e., support of the Caps) any less 'Real'.

'nuff said!

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 23, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse


and by the way - do you live in complete delusion? Go show me where I said anything about STHs or that you have to be an STH to be a real fan? You pulled that completely out of your a--

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

My time is too important to waste my time reading your cynical comments and your tendency to overindulge yourself to see whose got the bigger hockey stick with all your hockey stats. Get over yourself. For someone your age to be engaging in that kind of behavior on a public forum is just embarrassing.

Oh, and the next time, I'm on the message board, it certainly isn't because of you. Get a grip, Captain Self-Centered.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse


Considering the first 30 posts I saw you write up had nothing to do with hockey and everything to do with me, yeah I'm sure you're not on here because of me.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoast--"No offense, but I try not to p*ss on the hand that feeds me. You get great hockey from the Capitals. It'd be nice if you'd not waste your time insulting them and their management team because you shockingly believe you could do better. It's just insulting for you to think that you could make those comments and anyone who takes offense to it, is just going to sit there and let it pass."

lmao! Did you just try to define what a real fan should be? Ooops, I think you did.
So in your little rose-colored world, a true fan is someone who blindly and unquestioningly follows and supports everything their team, coach and GM does. Got it!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

@tempusfugitrgv: I don't judge all interactions with seasoned Capitals fans on one bad apple. I try to understand the heartache that came before and rightfully accept that there would always be a compulsion to want to control things that we don't have any control over. Hence, peoples desire to want to move this player and that player and any time Capitals management doesn't do what they want, they feel they are in a position to insult and degrade any player or management personnel.

I have the utmost respect for the Capitals fans who have ridden this rollercoaster ride a lot longer than I have and make it my responsibility to read and learn from their experiences to help me appreciate the experiences I'm taking part in.

It unnerves me though when someone takes my relative inexperience and disregards whatever comment I may have about a move that while they may disapprove of because once again, they've got STATS dismissing the move as hoo-hah, my opinion means nothing.

I don't know about you but when someone tells me they love me and then spews venomous insults, I tend to doubt the "love" they allege they have. So, if I hear someone say "Yeah, I'm a Caps fan but I think McPhee's a (insert expletive) and Green's a (insert another expletive)", that to me completely negates whatever Caps love they claim to have.

It's not what you're saying cstanton1, it's HOW you're saying it.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

It unnerves me though when someone takes my relative inexperience and disregards whatever comment I may have about a move that while they may disapprove of because once again, they've got STATS dismissing the move as hoo-hah, my opinion means nothing.
--LeftCoast

lol, don't victimize yourself, its embarassing. I or anyone else never held your "newbiness" against you until you came on here blathering about how anyone who critiques their own team can't be a true fan. Who the hell are you to define what it takes to be a fan? And again, the first several posts you wrote up had nothing to do with hockey, they were directed at criticizing me personally because I was criticizing players like Schultz or whoever.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

Posts by LeftCoastCapsFan: 3

Posts by cstanton1: 13

Yeah, not sure where you got your 30 but I figure you're count includes where you copied and pasted my text and you went on a diatribe of "Why I'm the Biggest Fan of the Universe". You still look ridiculous.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

I don't know about you but when someone tells me they love me and then spews venomous insults, I tend to doubt the "love" they allege they have. So, if I hear someone say "Yeah, I'm a Caps fan but I think McPhee's a (insert expletive) and Green's a (insert another expletive)", that to me completely negates whatever Caps love they claim to have.

--LeftCoast


How can I say this in the nicest way possible.

You're very naive and you make an overly simplistic argument that is rooted in emotion only and not in logic.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

"Hence, peoples desire to want to move this player and that player and any time Capitals management doesn't do what they want, they feel they are in a position to insult and degrade any player or management personnel."

-LeftCoastCapsfan


Guess what. That's my right as a fan. I can choose to critique a player, a coach, a GM, or an owner. The only difference is, I don't put forth opinions without an argument to back it up.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Can you guys just make out already? The sexual tension is palpable.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 23, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: I didn't play up the victim card. You did. You're the one alleging that I defined you as a non-Capitals fan by your complaining. Several other posters called you out on the same issues I've called you out on and that's you've got nothing positive to say about the organization calling into question how you could be a fan but still be hypercritical of anything the organization does.

We can agree to disagree on anything but don't pretend to be taking the high road because you choose to sling insults and then call it constructive criticism.

You're an extremely negative person. *pushes ignore button on cstanton1*

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm no peacemaker here, but how's about you two just exchange emails and sort it out amongst yourselves. I think I speak for the majority of people but no one cares about your little argument.

Posted by: superpaqman | July 23, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla: That might explain the reason he's so wound up when it comes to hockey. =P He needs to get some...bad. *snicker*

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm no peacemaker here, but how's about you two just exchange emails and sort it out amongst yourselves. I think I speak for the majority of people but no one cares about your little argument.

Posted by: superpaqman | July 23, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Amen. Done.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 23, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

This is why we can't have nice things....

Posted by: superpaqman | July 23, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I want windjammer to come back. he was SO much better to read than these two buttheads.

Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop itStop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it Stop it stop it stop it

Posted by: WhyGo | July 23, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is my favorite player. Nyls will be a Cap for at least two more seasons. We should re-sign Huet.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 23, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Sorry can't resist stirring the pot some more:

Cstanton1 you claim to be stalked ONLINE, and yet you say someone else is playing the victim? Man, what color is the sky in your world?

OK, to everybody else: I'll stop now. I'm a bad boy

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 23, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll say it again


This is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: superpaqman | July 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Kitty doesn't like me because I have dog-like posts. She is an anti-dogite.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 23, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

$43,000,000.00 is a lot of dough. Where did he get all that money? And why was he offered $60,000,000.00 if he olny lost $43,000,000.00?

More than meets the eye....

Posted by: WhyGo | July 23, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

and who gives that much money to somebody with a name that rhymes with "NADA" anyway?

Posted by: WhyGo | July 23, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo- hahahahahhhaahahahhaahhahaahahahahahahahhahaha

A noble effort sir.

Something like this could actually lead to an interesting debate- http://puckinright.blogspot.com/2009/07/nhls-big-3-blessing-or-headache.html

Posted by: mrszilla | July 23, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

does anybody else wonder if windjammer met an untimely end? I miss that little guy.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 23, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

MrsZilla, great article love the line about Ov "This Russian speaks English with confidence and Bond-villain clarity". I just can't agree that people think the hit on Gonchar was that dirty. Now I haven't replayed the hit to watch frame by frame, but as I recall it was just one of those awkward collisions. All in all some great points, and good to hear from someone who doesn't have such a vested interest in all three players.

Posted by: superpaqman | July 23, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

windjammer was run out of here by people who found his frequent posts here irritating. I personally didn't mind it so much. I think I actually tried reading his posts and realized that it was the same old thing. Considering I used to praise WhyGo and his hilarious comments, I'm offended by his lumping of myself with the other guy. He's still funny, just not so much anymore.

Would we find things better if Ovi became the face of the NHL? I'm trying to wrap my finger around that. If we'd like to put Ovi under more intense scrutiny to determine if his style of play is really as vicious as they claim it to be. *shrug* I think they could have mentioned Crosby's notable nad knocking and the sweater pull incident, on top of his whiny reputation. When I think about it, maybe it isn't so bad that Crosby is the face of NHL.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo:
missed your humor the last few months - where u been hiding?

cranton1:
you have every right to your opinion and to post it - unfortunately you have no tact and when you have a difference of opinion with another poster - you express your thoughts in a very negative/mean spirited manner and come off as a pompous *ss. i personally don't mind - i'm used to it and don't truly believe you are that bad - but of course *i wear the rose colored glasses you frequently refer to*

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 23, 2009 7:34 PM | Report abuse

noted

Thanks,
ted

lol

for anyone who cares - here's a good link to what could happen to a bunch of our prospects and a potential Hershey lineup next season. There's a blurb about Aucoin for Thiazzo.

http://hersheybearshockey.blogspot.com/2009/07/first-look-at-09-10-roster.html

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Sorry can't resist stirring the pot some more:

Cstanton1 you claim to be stalked ONLINE, and yet you say someone else is playing the victim? Man, what color is the sky in your world?

OK, to everybody else: I'll stop now. I'm a bad boy

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 23, 2009 6:11 PM | Report abuse

you can stir the pot all you want, its just a lame effort is all. Considering my only exposure to Leftcoastcapsfan was his continued posts aimed directly at me for any comments I made that were generally about the team, yeah I think he got a little obsessed. Now that I see he's just a little newbie trying to wave his caps pompoms for the whole world to see...it makes sense to me now. I'm not here for "tact", just here to rip open every little detail about this team for the sake of intellectual discourse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

We can agree to disagree on anything but don't pretend to be taking the high road because you choose to sling insults and then call it constructive criticism.

You're an extremely negative person. *pushes ignore button on cstanton1*

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 23, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

ooh, i'm on ignore now. Excellent! Next time you get your feelings hurt because another fan is critiquing a player you like, think about attacking the "argument" instead of attacking the poster. That would be more constructive and less tedium for the rest of this blog to have to read thru.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 23, 2009 7:59 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see that while I've been gone cstanon1 picked some new targets and managed to piss off the whole board. Wow, there are like 357 posts by that dude just in this thread and it's off-season. Someone really doesn't have a life whatsoever.

BTW, cstanton1, you owe me $43 mil. Paypal it to me immediately or I'll sue ya.

Posted by: ranndino | July 23, 2009 8:01 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo; the full article published by The Detroit Free Press said that Fedorov believed he was investing w Joseph Zada and the he was going to receive a return on his investment. He started investing smaller amounts w Zada and received great returns. That is probably why Zada offered $60 mil. Or maybe he offered $60 mil. thinking that such a great offer would deter Fedorov from taking him to court. This Joseph Zada has other similar pending lawsuits against him. Very much sounds like a Bernie Madoff deal.
The article also said that Feds has earned over $60 million during his 19 year career in the NHL. Detroit gave him a few large contracts. If I remember correctly, one of the contracts was one year for $15 million. I hope that this crook is able to return Fedorov his money.
Puckman posted the link to the full article.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 23, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

Question...and am NOT trying to dig up the past, just one of curiousity:

Does anyone have any insight on why many moons back we did not sign Johnny Oduya. On his wiki page it says: "In the 2005–06 season, after he had been dismissed by the NHL team Washington Capitals". Did he do something?

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 23, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

Oooohhh ... the newbie / long-time fan debate again ... yeah!!! :-| No one wins that discussion, and usually people assume that other people think things that they really do not, so it is best just to let it go.

cstanton1, LeftCoast and co.:
Time for a group on ... let's move on, my friends.

Best quote of the day:
"This is why we can't have nice things...."
Amen.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 23, 2009 9:38 PM | Report abuse

That should say, time for a group HUG! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 23, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

time to forget about the Caps and hockey for a little while is more like it...

thank god for racing :)

Posted by: joek443 | July 23, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
Forget about the Caps and hockey?!? Blasphemy!

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 23, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

@LeftCoastCapsFan

Interesting you became a Caps fan even though you live on the West Coast. Most of my family lives in the Bay Area or near there. I'm the last one (besides my cousins) left in the Washington DC area.

I enjoy your posts. Concur with your choice of favorite players. I'm an old time fan myself -- since 1975. I went to more games before 1985 -- then the kids came. Now that they're nearly grown, I'm back into Cap fandom. Somehow, I've gotten really fired up about this group of guys where 5 of them are within a year of my first born in age (and one near miss).

In many ways, Semin reminds me of my first born. (Ovi, my other main favorite, reminds me of an old friend of mine who was kind of a hotshot type but a friend nonetheless, who was also named Alexander and born in September.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 23, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

I'm no fan of racing (car racing, that is). My main distractions during the hockey off-season are following baseball and swimming. Okay, the Nats and Orioles haven't been anything to write home about lately. My old favorite team, the St. Louis Cardinals, are doing pretty well. I must admit I've been less fired up about baseball this year than in the past.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 23, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

Glad that all is back with Cstanton and LCCF waste of time. Ashame legit posts are ignored because of two in fighters (here comes the love)

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 23, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Just as happy not to see the repetitious posts by Windjammer. They were getting annoying after a while. (Not to mention StanleyCup1907 who was oh so negative about the Caps.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 23, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

Great interview with Knuble on Yahoo.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/blog/puck_daddy/post/Puck-Daddy-chats-with-Mike-Knuble-about-garbage-?urn=nhl,178379
_________________________________________

"Get those Andreychuk goals.

They're awesome, you know? Alex gets 500 shots a year. I just hope they don't go near my head. "

Posted by: richmondphil | July 23, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

@WhyGo

LOL! Giving money to a guy named Zada which rhymes with Nada. I was thinking the same thing myself.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 23, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan01

Feds made almost $40 million off just one Detroit contract (6 years), so not sure why people wonder where this money came from. It does put in perspective just how much these guys make over the course of their careers. If they manage it wisely they certainly never have to worry about working for a living after they retire.

Couple more links regarding the Joseph Zada deal.

http://dianaderosa.wordpress.com/2009/05/23/riches-to-rags-the-ron-davis-joe-zada-saga/

His own site where he responds to the accusations.

http://www.zadaresponds.com

Posted by: ranndino | July 23, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

@ CapsFan75

People gave a whole lot more of their money to a guy named Madoff.

Overall, it really amazes me how very intelligent, extremely successful people give millions to someone to invest and don't really bother checking on what happens to it for years. Hey, he seems like a nice guy so I'll give him $20 mil and forget about it for 10 years. Nothing bad can happen.

Posted by: ranndino | July 23, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Question...and am NOT trying to dig up the past, just one of curiousity:

Does anyone have any insight on why many moons back we did not sign Johnny Oduya. On his wiki page it says: "In the 2005–06 season, after he had been dismissed by the NHL team Washington Capitals". Did he do something?

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 23, 2009 8:35 PM |

Don't particularly remember, but Oduya was never really good until this season. He was probably just not asked to be brought back.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 23, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

@ranndino

I know what you mean. I recall reading that several good athletes, like Sandy Koufax the former baseball pitcher, had given money to Madoff.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 23, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Some of the drama on this board is truly pathetic. Get over yourselves.

Anyway, richmondphil and ralcapsfan, Oduya was lured away from Sweden because he was one of the more physical D-men in Elitserien (Sweden's top league), albeit considered a poor puck handler with a risky attitude. Not many thought he would succeed in the NHL considering he was a 3-4 man on a semi decent team in Sweden but something clicked while he was in New Jersey.

Posted by: jakopz | July 23, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Ha ha! I haven't been on the blog for a while and I can see how much I have been missing. However, I made up for lost time by reading the long cstanton-leftcoast drama, acts I and II. What a treat! Can't wait for act III.

I also learned a lot about what could happened to me if I forgot that I owed somebody 40 million. What a morality tale! I am looking through my checkbook right now to see if there is an outstanding million or two balance somewhere. You know how you can get so busy sometimes that you forget? But I learned that it could be embarrassing. Phew!!

Posted by: caraveli | July 24, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75: Thanks for your posting. Engaging cstanton1 made people lump me with him but I'd like to think there were enough people who know of his M.O. and know that I'm not the jerk he wants to paint me out to be.

Last October, my cousin had suggested watching an ice hockey game while I was in town. Seeing as how I'd never been to one, despite having the Ducks and the Kings during their runs with Gretzky and Kariya, I thought it was an interesting thing to do. We sat directly behind the Capitals when they played the Vancouver Canucks and since then, I haven't been the same.

I'd be the last person to engage anyone in a game of who knows more about hockey. It's kinda' sad that I'm look down on for not knowing statistics and wanting to just hope for the best with our team. But with people like you, I get the feeling that we all get put through the ringer until we get enough years under our belt with the team. I'd hate to be the kind though that forgets how to just enjoy watching the game and appreciating the newness of it all. It was amazing that first game I saw and I doubt anyone can take that away from me, no matter how little they think of me as a fan.

Again, thanks for your genuine kindness.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 24, 2009 1:40 AM | Report abuse

How long you have been a fan has no bearing on anything. The more genuine fans, the better. Hell...even bandwagon fans are welcomed by me. Anything that helps the team.

The kind of people I hate are fairweather fans. Supporting the team when they are doing good, not caring when they are doing bad...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 5:53 AM | Report abuse

i don't know about you all, but a professional hockey player is the last guy i'd steal money from. a russian professional hockey player, even further down the list. really hope feds gets his money back, and i wonder if zada will get to keep his kneecaps. or his knees for that matter. :)

Posted by: spinner-33 | July 24, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

LeftCoastCapsFan:
You don't really think that all long-time hockey fans are like that, do you? If so, should I be insulted? If I held it against people for not knowing stats, facts and figures (and even just the basic rules), well then Mr. Boo would be on thin ice (no pun intended).

richmondphil:
What's the difference between a bandwagoner and a fairweather fan? I have nothing against newbies (in fact, I try to convert people all of the time!), but I don't care for fairweather fans (or people who change allegiances willy nilly). I suppose they fill the seats which does make games a lot more fun, but I'm just not a big fan of that mentality. Hopefully this Caps team will convert some of those fairweather fans into real, loyal fans and they'll stick around when things are not so great. Heck, if the Skins have such a loyal fan base, why can't the Caps?

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 24, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

You don't have to be a stathound to be a fan! I involve myself with stats because I'm analytical as hell (it's in my nature) and I use the numbers to help me follow and understand what I'm watching. I can't just mindlessly watch something - I have to dissect, analyze, and understand, and this is what makes a lot of TV painful for me.

Right now I'm looking for a rink that is in Maryland and willing to teach hockey to adults at a time I can make, to be able to see the game from another point of view, but that's another story.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 24, 2009 8:03 AM | Report abuse

Kitty:
There are lots of rinks that teach beginner adult (and women's) hockey. If I was a stronger skater I would do it, too.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 24, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

--Boo--: In my world the definitions are:

- bandwagon fan: someone who jumps from team to team so they can always be a fan of a good team.

- fairweather fan: someone who is always kind of a fan of a team but talks badly of them when they stink and acts like a die-hard when they are having good seasons.

- newbie: someone who starts cheering for a team and then sticks with them even during the down years later on.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 24, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

@kittypawz, too bad your in Maryland. I figure skate here in Arlington, but I have been wanting to learn how to play hockey as well. Having another female w whom to go would be fun.
@LeftCoastCapsFan I liked your story on how you became a Caps fan. My parents used to take me when I was little. I didn't go during my high school or college years. And I remember that my first game back was electrifying. I have been cheering on the Caps ever since. Your story reminds me of that.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 24, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

fanohock1:
I can live with that! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 24, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

@LeftCoast

Don't sleep on the Kings. Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar are awesome.

We owe them a severe beating this season, however.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

I'm one of those guys that have stated that I am a die-hard fan, and long-time fan. That is not to belittle anyone that is new, but rather a defense mechanism thrown up when I present my opinion so it is not dismissed by someone (usually a long time fan) accusing me of not being a real fan. To circumvent being accused of not being a real fan I provide proof that I have been around for a while. Looking back, that would probably make those of you that are new to our Capitals family think that I think I am better than a new fan. That's not my intent, I love having the stadium rock with all the new fans because it's a great atmosphere. It is especially nice to go into a home game against the Flyers, Pens, and Rangers, and have Caps fans vastly outnumber visiting fans, which was not the case just a short time ago. It is also awesome to hear a little roar from the crowd on TV and seeing you Cap fans that are not living in the DC area with your Caps jerseys on, standing and cheering.

I've also been accused of being a "homer" because I get upset when someone trashes Green, Schultz, Semin etc. The same people that will trash those 3 will jump all over me for accusing Hunter of being a goon even though he logged the 2nd most PIMs in NHL history. Struck a lot of nerves there and apologize to long time Caps fans that look back on Hunter as a hero. Who am I to trash his legacy? Nobody!

I whole-heartedly agree that everyone is entitled to their opinion, just as I am. That's why I don't care for someone to dissect my opinion, paragraph by paragraph, and begin to say why I'm completely wrong, stupid, or precede the response with "LOL" (which is condescending remark in itself).

Anyhow, I'm done and feel lucky as heck to have access to the Caps team that steps on the ice right now. I am with the Caps, even when they stink, but even as an "oldie" I have to admit, the good years are much more fun.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 24, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Бардин: ведём интенсивные переговоры с Нюландером

http://www.championat.ru/hockey/news-269825.html

Posted by: voyM | July 24, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

Interesting, voyM. But who's the source? Still, I think it's a longshot

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton: Please don't take me out of context: the operative word in the sentence was "IF (you are an STH)...", used as an example.

We sat directly behind the Capitals when they played the Vancouver Canucks and since then, I haven't been the same.

I'd be the last person to engage anyone in a game of who knows more about hockey. It's kinda' sad that I'm look down on for not knowing statistics and wanting to just hope for the best with our team. But with people like you, I get the feeling that we all get put through the ringer until we get enough years under our belt with the team. I'd hate to be the kind though that forgets how to just enjoy watching the game and appreciating the newness of it all. It was amazing that first game I saw and I doubt anyone can take that away from me, no matter how little they think of me as a fan.

Again, thanks for your genuine kindness.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 24, 2009 1:40 AM


@Lefty: well said!


BTW, cstanton1, you owe me $43 mil. Paypal it to me immediately or I'll sue ya.

Posted by: ranndino | July 23, 2009 8:01 PM


@ranndino: You slay me! XD (ROTGDFLMMFAO)! Welcome back, dude!

Sounds almost like the phishmails we used to see in TOS Enforcement at good old AOL:

"This is the Crucial Override Department...Please verify your screen name and password to avoid cancellation of your account."

OR

"wE aRe ThE 5UP4 L33+ H4X0r aRmY...yOu ArE 0wN20r3D! W0r$#1p 0uR m4D $k1LLz!!!:

HAHAHAHAHAHA....

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 24, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone seen Alex Semin's new interactive blog?

Ok..That was a joke...

That guy is such a freakin mystery...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 24, 2009 9:41 AM | Report abuse

@capsfan01: Awww, rats :( I'm so used to being the only girl in a field of guys, but having another girl to go with would definitely be awesome!

@Boo: Thanks! I'm new to ice skating but have been roller skating since I was a girl. A lot of it translates, though not all of it. But, if you want to do it and you're not a strong skater, then take lessons! That's what I did and I've improved dramatically over the course of a couple of months. I still have a long way to go, but don't shy away, get out there and learn to skate. I went from barely being able to stand up to being able to forward crossover, skate backwards, and stop. Still working on stopping from speed and I'm just learning how to hockey stop (I just got it), but being new to skating doesn't stop me. I just keep practicing and learning until I get it.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 24, 2009 9:55 AM | Report abuse

Saw Brent Johnson in Ri Ra last night and hes such a good dude. He talked with me for about 5 minutes. I wished him luck but you could see he absolutely wanted to stay here. I say I wish we could get rid of Theo and keep him. Class act all the way around.

Posted by: numero94 | July 24, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse

If you had Marian Gaborik, Sergei Gonchar, and Alexei Kovalev available to you in a supplemental draft for your fantasy team.. who would you pick?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

Although I dislike Gonchar for demanding a trade out of Washington, I would say Gonchar. He is outstanding on the PP, PK, and even strength.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 24, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

"I've also been accused of being a "homer" because I get upset when someone trashes Green, Schultz, Semin etc. The same people that will trash those 3 will jump all over me for accusing Hunter of being a goon even though he logged the 2nd most PIMs in NHL history. Struck a lot of nerves there and apologize to long time Caps fans that look back on Hunter as a hero. Who am I to trash his legacy? Nobody!"

Well said, and I apologize for being the most vocal one whose nerves were struck. I hope that I have properly extricated myself from your throat after jumping down it repeatedly.

I would like to be friends now, please. Peace and harmony and all that jazz?

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 24, 2009 11:08 AM | Report abuse

This is why we can't have nice things.

Posted by: b473297 | July 24, 2009 11:25 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Yeah, I was leaning that way until I realized that there's no real D-man specific categories in this fantasy league.. I'm going to see if I can't trade something for the number 2 pick so I can get Gaborik AND Gonchar. I figure Gaborik is due for a healthy, productive season.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 11:29 AM | Report abuse

Kitty:
I have and I am still mediocre at best! :-) I was great as a kid ... some things just don't come back to me as well as others. Maybe I will get there at some point, but I am certainly not there yet. Best of luck to you in your endeavors, though!

Wow ... what's up with the lovefest today? Am I on the right board?!?

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Awwwwwwww peace and love on the board! Plus it's Friday. Can't go wrong.

Saw Brent Johnson in Ri Ra last night and hes such a good dude. He talked with me for about 5 minutes. I wished him luck but you could see he absolutely wanted to stay here. I say I wish we could get rid of Theo and keep him. Class act all the way around.

Posted by: numero94 | July 24, 2009 10:07 AM | Report abuse


Really jealous... why don't I live in DC anymore?? At least I might get a chance to see Brash, and yes I will use that opportunity to ask him to be nice to our boys... Maybe he is going as a secret Caps-agent, infiltrating the enemy so he can destroy them. Wouldn't blame him after the Betts backlash up here.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 24, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Yeah, I was leaning that way until I realized that there's no real D-man specific categories in this fantasy league.. I'm going to see if I can't trade something for the number 2 pick so I can get Gaborik AND Gonchar. I figure Gaborik is due for a healthy, productive season.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 11:29 AM


If Gaborik remains healthy, that could end up being one of the underrated signings of the summer, and a great fantasy team pick-up, but that's a big if.

Another injury related note for those who may have missed it, Marian Hossa goes under the knife (from Puck Daddy). Anyone else think Dale Tallon knew he was getting axed so he messed up the qualifying offers to his RFAs and also signed Hossa and his injury to 12 years knowing that it would cause the 'Hawks significant strife in the coming days/years? Yeah, it's a stretch, but when you know you're gonna get screwed, maybe you do some preemptive screwing first?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 24, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

Really jealous... why don't I live in DC anymore?? At least I might get a chance to see Brash, and yes I will use that opportunity to ask him to be nice to our boys... Maybe he is going as a secret Caps-agent, infiltrating the enemy so he can destroy them. Wouldn't blame him after the Betts backlash up here.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 24, 2009 11:51 AM

For anyone that missed it, here's a piece regarding Brash's potential less-than-warm welcome from the Rangers' players/fans.

Tortorella gives advice to Rags players who have a problem with Brash

Some of the comments are a little overboard against Brashear, but Rags fans have been watching him beat up their tough guys for years, first as a Flyer, then as a Cap, oh, and that lovely hit against Betts. First Rangers game against the Flyers should win the naysayers over. I just hope he doesn't break Bradley's nose or give Erskine another concussion when he plays against the Caps.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 24, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

No one on the Caps will fight Brash...In fact..we will see very few fights from the Caps at all. The ones we will see might be scrums that turn into frustration punches...We are going to go at it like Detroit, and try and burn them on the power play....

Posted by: SA-Town | July 24, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil:
What's the difference between a bandwagoner and a fairweather fan? I have nothing against newbies (in fact, I try to convert people all of the time!), but I don't care for fairweather fans (or people who change allegiances willy nilly). I suppose they fill the seats which does make games a lot more fun, but I'm just not a big fan of that mentality. Hopefully this Caps team will convert some of those fairweather fans into real, loyal fans and they'll stick around when things are not so great. Heck, if the Skins have such a loyal fan base, why can't the Caps?

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 24, 2009 7:10 AM |

I guess when you think about it, fairweather fans are just bandwagoners...over and over and over again. I just see fairweather fans as people who probably live in the area and have liked the teams off and on. Bandwagoners come for the hype (like Ovie), and usually stick around.

I like anyone who shows ANY interest in the caps, genuine or not, I should clarify.

@LeftCoast

I think I have told you this before, but you know I love the Kings right? Kopitar...Brown...backed hard.

I predict they will make the playoffs next year!

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@LeftCoast

Don't sleep on the Kings. Dustin Brown and Anze Kopitar are awesome.

We owe them a severe beating this season, however.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 9:07 AM |

Just read this comment. I love the Kings. Get out of my mind.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

@Boo, and maybe kitty

If you aren't that strong of a skater, become a goalie! I know quite a few women who do the beer league, and more than half of them are goalies.

Plus, you don't have to be that strong of a skater in a beer league. It's all in good fun. I encourage everyone to try it out. Watching the best sport on earth can only be complemented by playing the best sport on earth!

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

Canes re-acquired Aaron Ward from Boston (they DO like their retreads!) for a 4th rounder and Patrick Eaves. Boston immediately put Eaves on waivers.

Canes now have a SAH D-man for a meh winger and a 4th round pick. Boston dumps 2.5M for 1.1M and saves 1.4 towards their cap.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Oh, it can get pretty expensive though. Maybe if you have not played at all, a roller league would be a good first go. Gear is a lot cheaper, and you can get by with crappier stuff.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Canes re-acquired Aaron Ward from Boston (they DO like their retreads!) for a 4th rounder and Patrick Eaves. Boston immediately put Eaves on waivers.

Canes now have a SAH D-man for a meh winger and a 4th round pick. Boston dumps 2.5M for 1.1M and saves 1.4 towards their cap.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 1:06 PM |

I anticipated Eaves being gone, but I figured the package would have been bigger for like a Kaberle or something.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Also....

Ward-Walker duo? hahaha.

That's like the Brash-Betts combo.

I'm sure they are all laughing it off. Or Ward is asking, "why the hell did you punch me?"

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Also, that means Kessel is staying in Beantown it seems.

I am posting too much...someone else post to make it not seem I am talking to myself.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

The Kings have been my #2 or 3 favorite team after the Gretzky era.. I like the Blues too. I like a loveable loser, I guess.

Kings will make the playoffs this year if one or both of Ersberg and Quick can maintain halfway decent numbers...

Do you play in a beer league? I've been trying to get on a team for a while..

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Boston has 1.4M to go before they're at the cap.

They have some issues with the cap, specailly next year. They still have Kessel and Bitz to sign. Bitz will be cheap, but not Kessel. Wouldn't mind Bitz on the 4th line...

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I have not stepped on any ice in over 4 years. I've had to go through a few different surgeries in the past 2-3 years. Honestly, I don't know how long my back would last me right now. Hopefully this next one in August will allow me to play. It's not like I am an old man or anything either, I'm in my 20s. It sucks...a lot.

Where do you live? Usually you just go to the rink and sign up. I played at Skate Nation in Woodbridge. They run a beer league with different divisions, so its not like if you are horrible you are playing mr. fancy pants or vice-versa.

Down here in Richmond, I played a year at the Skate Nation out in ShortPump.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

And that is awesome about the Kings. I am also a big fan of "underdog" teams.

Quick is good, I hope he continues to get better though. If you look at the teams stats, They were like 29th in GFs and 14th in GAs. That says something about the the system instilled, or about the defense/goalie themselves. 4 SOs last year too...not bad at all on a team that can't score. Anyways, if he fails, they have Bernier in the wings too.

I gotta say though, I loved O'Sullivan. Wished they traded Frolov instead of him last year.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Parents who give their kids weird names should just be taken out back and shot! Check the name on this poor kid!

Rabbit, Wacey

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil:
Don't think that I have not thought about it - I would gladly sacrifice my body for the game that I love. Besides, I love swiss cheese ... ;-)

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

Brashear is now a Ranger (as much as I hate it). He is getting paid the big bucks to taunt other players into fighting to get them off of their game. I wouldn't be surprised if he tries to rough up a few of our guys; Knuble, Erskine, Ovie or anyone else he and Torts perceive as a threat. I don't think our boys are going to be punked, but I doubt they will fight either. Probably just minor stuff. Opposing coaches are aware that we have no enforcer and that we have a great power play. Hopefully this will be a strong enough deterrent for fowl play. I hope that teams like the Rangers and Flyers don't try to beat us up just bec they can't beat us at hockey.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 24, 2009 1:32 PM | Report abuse

I'll be honest. I could never do it.

Getting a puck to the throat as a child makes you very respectful of goalies, beer league or NHL. haha.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil,

I live in Alexandria and frequently play pickup at Kettler, Mt. Vernon, and occasionally Tucker road.. The leagues at Kettler are stacked full and the ones at Mt. Vernon are like a secret society where you have to know 12 people and be exposed to the secret handshake before you can play. I was going to join a team at Fairfax in the spring, but I was graduating then (no free time) and I friggin hate wearing a cage, which they require.

I'll just post ads on craigslist or something, I guess.

Frolov is great, probably going to try and get him on my fantasy team(s) this year too. Are you in any leagues?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil:
Ouch! Well I'm not worried - that's what protective gear is for. ;-)

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

thiazzi:
You don't wear a cage? Man, I couldn't imagine that. Do you at least wear visor?

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

@Boo,

Yeah I wear a visor. Had my teeth rearranged about a year ago too. Started using a mouthguard then ;)

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Ah, okay. You are a bit too far north for me. I actually learned how to skate at that rink in Fairfax, right off 123, way before SkateNation existed in Woodbridge.

Also, I don't mean to imply that they are just pick-up games. It's an actual team you play for. Same people. My Father has been playing with some of the same group of guys at the Woodbridge location for 8 years. So there is a sense of more than just pick-up games, which it seems you are looking for. Woodbridge seems it'd be quite a drive for you though.

I like Frolov too, but O'Sullivan was just a worker. You get more goals with Frolov, but O'Sullivan always got his. Frolov would have brought in more return than O'Sullivan, and I think a change of scenery would be great for him. I think he can go 40-40 easily.

I usually do a few fantasy leagues each year. Some with friends, some online. Let me know which ones you are doing, and I'll sign up.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

And can you imagine if the Caps had Lombardi for their GM? As critical as some of these people are about GMGM, Lombardi would be roasted every dying second of every dying day in DC.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

(from a previous thread) @ richmondphil...

Yep, I'm one of the guitarists in Misery Index. Heading back to Europe on tour in a couple of weeks, but will be back in time for training camp/pre-season games woo-hoo!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 24, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

thiazzi:
Good grief! I value my chiclets (did I mention all of the $$ spent on orthodontics?) and my button nose too much for that!! ;-) Hmm ... I think I may be a little frightened of you now ... :-)

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

@Metal

Never sat down and listened to you guys as its not my cup of tea, but I've seen them/you guys multiple times by accident. Dying Fetus...haha. I know a lot of people in Baltimore, but moreso ones involved in the hardcore community. Honestly, I figured you were in some crappy band that played like... Jaxx every day or something, not a Relapse band.

I gotta ask though, are you the drummer? Your drummer is insane.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

And your posts says guitarist, despite me still asking if you are the drummer...

Well I guess there's my answer.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

No, I play exclusively pickup because I can't get into a league :P I'd really like to be a member of a team again and, I dunno, play defense. And this board would be unreadable if Lombardi was GM here. It's a scary thought.

I'm only in one league so far, and it's full, but I'll let you know if the Capitals Insider one gets started again. Last year about half of the GMs drafted and then never showed up again..

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

@Boo

Yeah, it wasn't exactly pleasant. The 13 shots to the gums and ROOF OF THE MOUTH the next morning were the worst part, though. Hurts to think about it.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

No one on the Caps will fight Brash...In fact..we will see very few fights from the Caps at all. The ones we will see might be scrums that turn into frustration punches...We are going to go at it like Detroit, and try and burn them on the power play....

Posted by: SA-Town | July 24, 2009 1:00 PM


Yeah, the Caps will likely scare teams into not taking bad penalties due to the prospect of an even better power play than last season, but who here doesn't think the Flyers are gonna give everyone in the league trouble?

Last season's Philly penalty minute leaders...

Daniel Carcillo - 254 PIMs
Riley Cote - 174 PIMs
Aaron Asham - 155 PIMs
Scott Hartnell - 143 PIMs

And, new to the Black & Orange this year...

Ian Laperriere - about 200 pre and regular season/playoff fights - 1794 PIMs (career)

Chris Pronger - multiple suspensions and 1457 PIMS (career)

As I've said elsewhere, the Flyers are built to literally BEAT the Penguins, hence, I would assume the same tactics to be used against the Capitals. The even-up calls from lack-of-discipline retaliations will negate any perceived advantage the Caps might have due to other teams being afraid we'll score. With the Leafs having loaded up on tough 'D' men this season, the Caps will likely get the chance to test the 'no enforcer' theory twice in the first 3 games.

And, it still remains to be seen how the refs will/will not enforce the 'no staged fighting' rules, and what the main pugilists themselves will do in order to not feel the wrath of the league. In the meantime, expect the cheapshots against our skill players to go through the roof. After all, Ovie/Backstrom/Semin et al can't score on the power play if they are in the locker room knocked out of the game or on the injury list missing multiple games. Remember Blair Betts? The Ranger that Brash knocked out of the playoffs? Wasn't he the Rags' top penalty killer prior to getting knocked out of the playoffs? Let the head hunting commence...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 24, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

I have never lost a teeth, nor never had any real serious hockey-related injuries. All my health problems are completely unrelated to hockey, or any sports I played. I have never broken a bone, except my nose, which doesn't really hurt. Luck I guess? I guess it's not that lucky considering my body is destroying itself for me though.

Oh, but I always wore/wear a cage. :)


Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

thiazzi:
OUCH!!! And you still don't wear a cage?!? What, were you hit in the noggin', too? ;-)

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

@Boo
Until I get paid at least half a million+ a year, I will be wearing a cage when I play.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

@Boo,

Yeah, cages are really heavy. I'd rather have fog than bars any day!

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Whew! I'm with Phil (and still a little afraid of thiazzi ;-)).

Posted by: Boo- | July 24, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

It's honestly just because I was forced to wear one when I learned to play, and he probably was not forced to wear one.

I am used to it. If I took a puck to the teeth once though, I'd maybe upgrade, hah.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Daniel Carcillo - 254 PIMs
Riley Cote - 174 PIMs
Aaron Asham - 155 PIMs
Scott Hartnell - 143 PIMs

And, new to the Black & Orange this year...

Ian Laperriere - about 200 pre and regular season/playoff fights - 1794 PIMs (career)
----------------------

I have no doubt that Flyers fans will also cry and complain that the refs are out to get them.......If there is any Flyer fan out there reading this, can I get your prediction now on where Philly will rank in PIM's this year? I am going to bet my house that you are #1...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 24, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Bobby Clarke is the Donald Rumsfeld of hockey...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 24, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

weak-sauce

Posted by: superpaqman | July 24, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I played from age 3-16.. definitely wore a cage then.

Picked the game back up a couple years ago and just sorta decided that I hate them. I own a cage and also a full-face visor/cage hybrid.. I just can't make myself wear them.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Jeez! Reminiscing of equipment-less days reminds me when I started playing hockey. We used corregated cardboard for shin pads. No pants, gloves (driving gloves only), no helmet, no elbow pads. This was pre-lawsuits and in the IBHL (Industrial Beer Hockey League). It helped to have a few beers before, during and after the game. Numbed the pains.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 3:24 PM | Report abuse

First equipment I bought was shin pads, gloves and helmet (no visor at all).

The cardboard worked for a game, maybe, but then were pretty much worthless. Fortunately a friend worked for ETS and had access to the thick corner inserts that kept the paper edges from getting messed up. Real pain to cut those things. The shin pads were a very nice upgrade!

I still have the helmet, and use it, too. I have a half and full visor and a birdcage. If I could get away without wearing them, I would. If I have to wear one, the Half visor is my druther.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

My dad tells stories of rolling up discarded carpeting and tying it with string to his legs for goalie pads.. friggin brilliant makeshift equipment.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

lol. surprised he didn't use pillows! That IS what they used to use, and that's how they got their nickname.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, they were bright.

This is what WE had as kids:
http://www.midwestskate.com/Hockey/images/Mylec_Leg_Pads.jpg

Plastic over foam, can't get much better than that! The kid in the neighborhood with the superior Ed Belfour street hockey gear was much envied.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Funny thing is that I never got injured until I started wearing equipment. I may have gotten whacked a bit and hurt my butt and hips when i fell. I still have all my chiclets. Busted my ribs after getting pads. Tried to do plastic surgury on my face on the ice with a helmet on.

Maybe I should skate naked...

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

My grandfather would glue meat clever blades to his boots for skates...they used brooms for sticks, and the puck was a dead mouse...they used a big rock as the goal...

Usually they just fought as soon as play started, so equipment wasnt all that important anyway...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 24, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

I went to the HHOF about 10 yrs ago. Looking at the equipment displays from the 70's I was saying, 'hey! I wear those! And those! And that! Maybe I need new equipment!' 4 yrs ago I changed out my shin pads after a puck went through the plastic and stuck there against my shin.

That hurt!

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

He had glue?! Damn spoiled cityfolk..

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

SA-Town

REally? cool! :/

Note to self... Trips down memory lane usually end up with you flat on your face.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan, I agree w you. Do you think that the refs will take into consideration that we are enforcer-less when making calls? I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this. And, if anyone, who will Brash try to rumble w when the Rags play us in Oct.?

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 24, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

My only problem with playing goal is a loose MCL in one knee thanks to having my knee bent sideways in a sledding accident a few years back. The butterfly is not a fun position for me.

I'm actually more interested in playing defense - I am a woman, but I'm tall and sturdy as women go and am working on the whole muscle thing. And yes, mouthguards are a must. I want to try it but am having trouble finding a rink willing to teach hockey basics to adults. (And I want to run through another skating class first.)

Posted by: kittypawz | July 24, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Richmond Ice Zone, the other rink down here, offers Adult clinics. Don't know how far of a drive that is for you.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Many of the finest hockey players in the world were born and raised in Sweden. At the 2009 Entry Draft, a record seven Swedes were selected in the opening round.

Some even could argue that the best European-born hockey player in the game today happens to be Swedish -- Detroit Red Wings captain Nicklas Lidstrom. Certainly the finest and most entertaining pair of twins to perform in the League -- Daniel and Henrik Sedin -- is Swedish.

So without further delay, here are NHL.com's top 10 Swedes currently playing in the NHL. Noticeable absentees from this list include Mats Sundin, who still is uncertain on playing in 2009-10, and St. Louis center Patrik Berglund, who needs to prove his strong rookie season was no fluke before making the cut.

1. Nicklas Lidstrom, D, Detroit: Let's call him the best European player in the League right now, although Washington's Alex Ovechkin quickly is closing the gap. Lidstrom, a six-time Norris Trophy winner, has 997 points and a plus-409 rating in 1,330 career games spanning 17 seasons. His 24:49 average ice time per game and plus-31 rating was tops among Swedish players in 2008-09.

2. Henrik Zetterberg, F, Detroit: The 2008 Conn Smythe Trophy winner turned in his fourth straight 30-goal campaign last season, and he has 405 points in 432 career games -- all with the Red Wings.

3. Henrik Lundqvist, G, N.Y. Rangers: Lundqvist became the first goalie in NHL history to win at least 30 games in each of his first four seasons in the League; in 2008-09 he went 38-25-7 with a 2.43 goals-against average and .916 save percentage. He was a finalist for the Vezina Trophy in each of his first three seasons.

Top 10
AO headlines list of top 10 Russian players
Mike G. Morreale - NHL.com Staff Writer
Who is the best Russian player in the NHL today? NHL.com gives you its opinion. READ MORE ›

* Hawks, Capitals lead list of NHL teams on the rise
* Knuble, Scuderi could have major impact

MORE NHL INSIDER STORIES ›
4. Daniel Alfredsson, F, Ottawa: "Alfie" is a model of consistency, topping 70 points for the eighth straight season in 2008-09. He posted 5 goals and 10 points to help lead Sweden to a gold medal at the 2006 Winter Olympics in Turin, Italy.

5. Nicklas Backstrom, F, Washington: The Capitals center led all Swedes with 66 assists, 88 points and 14 power-play goals last season. He also registered 15 points in 14 postseason games last spring.


Ovechkin was #1 on the Russian list. Semin was #8.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil: I live north of Baltimore :( I don't think Richmond will work for me.

Thanks, though!

Posted by: kittypawz | July 24, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

LOL clearly whoever wrote that piece has a bias for swedish hockey players. They have produced fine hockey players over the years but they have never produced what most people would describe as dominant players. So to say that sweden produces the finest hockey players in the world is simply ridiculous. That honor goes to either canada or russia.

Posted by: joek443 | July 24, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan01

Read your post on the fact that other teams won't do much "fowl" play against the Caps. Don't put it past the "Flightless Fowl" to do so. As in Orpik of the Pens who slashed Semin in the thumb in the playoffs and rendered him comparatively ineffective.

BTW, I think it would be poetic justice for the Caps to win an Eastern Conference finals against the Pens with Semin shooting the game winning goal while Orpik is in the penalty box. It would serve him right.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

You have a long way to go to Caps games. (You're probably close enough to Philly to see the Caps vs the Flyers there occasionally.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 7:48 PM | Report abuse

@SA-Town

It seems that the dirtier the player is, the more likely Philthy is to pick them up. Does that mean that some day they will pick up David Backes?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S.

On getting injured after starting to wear hockey equipment to play:

Do people just play "harder" and/or "meaner" in adult leagues when there's more equipment to protect them? That's my current theory.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 7:52 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

Unfortunately, I can't help you in the quest for skating lessons and hockey leagues north of Baltimore. I live in Reston, VA.

I took up skating again starting this December. It's helped me lose 20 pounds of the excess weight I had put on during the last several years. I probably won't take up hockey at my advanced age and the fact that I'm athletically challenged to begin with. When kids were choosing up sides, I could immediately figure out what side I'd be on, based on whether there were an even or odd number of kids playing the game.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I don't think I really played harder with gear vs without. I think as I got better I invested in the gear. As I got better I played in more competitive leagues (C league, then B then A). As I played more competitively, I had more opportunities to get injured. It isn't patty-cake in the A's and above.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 24, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan, I agree w you. Do you think that the refs will take into consideration that we are enforcer-less when making calls? I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this. And, if anyone, who will Brash try to rumble w when the Rags play us in Oct.?

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 24, 2009 5:05 PM |

The biggest problem with expecting the refs to control games is that they frequently don't use tools at their disposal, i.e. handing out 10 minute misconducts early in games that display a level of chippiness that ultimately lead to the types of stick fouls and head shots that we can all agree don't belong in the game. Because the Caps lack an enforcer, other teams will likely test the waters with whatever pair of refs are assigned to a particular game. Even with a great power play, say a 25% success rate, the Caps would only theoretically get a goal for every four power play opportunities, so that may not be a true deterrent to other teams.

The sad fact is that at some point, an opposition player, either of his own accord, or because he's told to by a coach, will intentionally injure one of our star players again. And the league, with it's inconsistent "supplementary discipline" policies (see Malkin, Evgeni) cannot convince me that it can control the danger it has created by installing the "instigator" rule years ago. So, let's see what the refs/league do when someone slashes Ovie and breaks his wrist. The offender will likely get what amounts to a slap on his own wrist instead of the several punches to the face he will rightfully deserve, the threat of which might preclude the incident from happening in the first place. I hope I am wrong.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 24, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the positive vibe. I will try to get into the Kings...er, or not. I can politely applaud any goals they score but I'm still saving up money for the Capitals game against the Kings on January 2nd but I'm afraid richmondphil, I'm gonna' be cheering for the Capitals that night. Nothing personal, yeah? =)

@boo: I don't think all the loyal Capitals fans are bad. I'm in awe at most of you all who are generous with your analyses and manage not to be condescending but informative. I read it all up and on the rare occasions I'm able to contribute, I'll post but mostly it's like Capitals 101 for me and I read it up and admire the history of the team and the experiences you all went through with this team. It's amazing when I think that there was a team before Ovi and company. Langway, I'm familiar with because my cousin is close friends with one of his kids and the others, I get to hear the stories from this board.

My apologies if it seemed like I took away from the boards yesterday. I'm usually just absorbing information from the boards but I'm not a fan of certain posters while others, I get a sense of how amazing they are. but anyways, I need to get back to my weekender in the san francisco area.

oh, still scared of brashear being on the rangers. looking forward to that game but i dunno'. *crosses fingers* here's to knuble and bmo and woods making a difference next season. goo, caps!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 24, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL clearly whoever wrote that piece has a bias for swedish hockey players. They have produced fine hockey players over the years but they have never produced what most people would describe as dominant players. So to say that sweden produces the finest hockey players in the world is simply ridiculous. That honor goes to either canada or russia.

Posted by: joek443 | July 24, 2009 6:03 PM |

Um...the point of the article was to name the ten best Sweden players in the NHL. That's it.

It never once says anything to the point of "producing the most dominant players."

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

@kitty, et all

Yunkov signs with Ak Bars Kazan.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 24, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

It now sounds like anyone who signs with the KHL is bound to them until they are 28. A couple of players tried to sue them to get out of their contracts so they could go to the NHL but they were unsuccessful. So, I guess we won't see Yunkov or Ovlov in a Caps uniform for a very long time.

This probably means that if a Russian can't make the NHL roster upon being drafted is essentially history in the NHL unless they want to try again at age 28.

The next step is for the KHL equivalent of Curt Flood to come along.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoastCapsFan:
Glad to hear that you don't think we're all, well, like that. Everyone is welcome here and no one knows everything - we all learn from each other (that's one of the great things about coming here!). So don't give others too much credit ... or not enough (like yourself!)! :-) And, not to sound like your mother or anything but, if anyone is condescending or acts like a know-it-all, well then they're just not worth talking to, are they? ;-) Anyway, no apologies necessary - it's all good ... enjoy the rest of your weekend in SF!

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 24, 2009 10:11 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75: Which means that NHL teams will either not draft Russians or will seek places for them immediately in the Canadian and American leagues.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 24, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey guys, guess what! I just played a pick-up game with Steve Kolbe as my netminder. Heck of a nice guy. I was the only person playing that recognized him, think.

Our porous D gave him plenty of opportunities to warm up for tomorrow's charity game.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 24, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

It seems like the Swedes and Russians have generally wanted to play in their country before coming over here (e.g. Backstrom, Varlamov). But if the Russians now want to hold onto guys until they're 28, the NHL will probably not draft any more Russians unless they're ready to step into an NHL job -- at age 18, which is rare. Or start in the high minor leagues (e.g. Hershey) right off the bat.

Of course this discussion will be moot if the KHL goes out of business.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 24, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

Boston just overpaid Morris. Seems I was wrong about the Ward trade, Greg.
Morris eats up more space than Ward, so Kessel still looks gone now...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 12:01 AM | Report abuse

for one - carolina will be a much tougher regular season team next year - they have displayed a very definitive offseason philosophy with each and every move


MetalCapsFan, I agree w you. Do you think that the refs will take into consideration that we are enforcer-less when making calls? I'm interested to hear everyone's thoughts on this. And, if anyone, who will Brash try to rumble w when the Rags play us in Oct.?

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 24, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

refs won't cut us an "enforcerless" break. We'll get our asses kicked a few times and then McPhee will reverse his position and pick up a tough guy.

and yes, Brash will try and rough us up when we play the Rags. It won't be personal, its just a job thing. Personally this whole new caps shift in their way of thinking about enforcers and tough guys is wrong. Enforcers do more than just fight another team's tough guy. And we'll come to that realization the hard way.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Forwards look for guys like Schultz...... I have since i picked up the game as a kid. A big, long, slow, defense man who cant keep up with anyone!! Yes he has size but what else? If you can keep a guy in front of you and stare him in the chest, you are doing your job as a d-man. Last time i checked shultz failed miserably at that task.... Yes we need a powerful, big, mean d-man but JS isn't it. I prefer the other 55 over him, he might even be more physical!

Posted by: EsMyDee | July 25, 2009 2:49 AM | Report abuse

Capsfan75, I did not say that other teams would not foul against us. I said that I hoped that they wouldn't. In all likeliness, we will be roughed up quite a bit. When Brashear's contract was up I continued to post that he or another enforcer should be signed. I believe CStanton and I were in a very small group arguing for Brash to be re-signed.
And yes Cstanton I know that Brash will just be doing his job when he tries to goad our players into a fight or injure them. Like I posted before, that is what he is getting paid the big bucks to do.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 25, 2009 5:23 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75: Sadly, you're probably right. Of course, what they'll likely end up with is a glut of players who run like hell when they turn 28 :)

I'm not sure why you guys think that Brash should have ben re-signed as an enforcer. Yeah, he knew his job - and didn't frickin' do it all season! Having him there wasn't a deterrent for David Backes when he cross-checked Semin and sent him off the ice barely able to walk and got away with it. All they have to do is simply not put the guy who injured a star back on the ice that game, which is what Andy Murray did with Backes. Most teams scratch their enforcer when they're facing a team that doesn't have one, so I'm not worried about it.

And funny, Detroit seems to have done okay. So does Carolina. Neither of those teams have enforcers. You just want to see a fight. Frankly, I think a team is better off having several guys who can score and will drop 'em if they need to rather than one guy whose job is enforcing. That way, you've got a guy like that on the ice when crap happens, and the response is immediate and nasty.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 25, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

We do not need Brash or another like him. He is too one-dimensional. The Caps will be better off filling his position with someone who can score and back-check. That being said, I like Brash and feel he filled his role while he was here.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

thiazzi:
That's pretty cool! Did you talk to him at all? I would think as soon as he opened his mouth any local hockey player would know who he was! :-) I've always like Kolbe - he's a good egg.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Personally this whole new caps shift in their way of thinking about enforcers and tough guys is wrong. Enforcers do more than just fight another team's tough guy. And we'll come to that realization the hard way.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 2:43 AM

Yeah, I'm on board with that too. The fact that a couple of teams have had success without a designated tough guy is an anomaly and more a testament to the so-called "team toughness" they have throughout their roster. Not sure if this year's Caps are of the same ilk, but we will get an immediate eye opener at the beginning of the season as they will be tested early and often.

The perception that Brash wasn't doing his job (or that all tough guys are worthless in the "instigator rule" era) is more a reflection of not truly understanding what his job is. So, here's suggested reading for those who would like to gain some insight into the role of tough guys in the game (with lots of interviews with the tough guys themselves):

The Code: The Unwritten Rules Of Fighting And Retaliation In The NHL

The author weaves the narrative without an agenda. His interviews allow the players themselves to put the role of fighting in the game in perspective while demonstrating, by example, how the "instigator rule" has made the game more dangerous for all players, especially the high priced star players that put butts in the seats.

I am not advocating gratuitous violence for the sake of violence, merely that to think hockey is played by a bunch of upstanding gentlemen who mean no harm to one another is a bit naive. Fear of repercussions can go a long way towards curbing much of the cheap and unsportsmanlike play in the game. So, again, let's hope that the Caps' opponents this year, in an attempt to win at all costs, won't maliciously target Ovie and the others, but don't count on it.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

It is a good thing Brashear is off the books. Perceiving it any other way is just wrong. Do I want an enforcer? Yes, but not brash. I never really liked breashear and got into constant arguments with people about him on here.

Give me a enforcer who can still do something else, or give me brashear 8 years ago.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse

We do not need Brash or another like him. He is too one-dimensional. The Caps will be better off filling his position with someone who can score and back-check. That being said, I like Brash and feel he filled his role while he was here.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 9:02 AM |

You are right. We don't need brash or another like him, but we still need a heavy weight enforcer. A lot of the high-tier enforcers will not even give Bradley/Erskine the time of day.

There are enforcers are out there who are not slow as molasses and don't have the skating of a 12 year old. This is the enforcer I want.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

Carolina may not officially have an enforcer but they impressed me as a pretty tough team. Gleeson was giving our guys some grief in the last game we played them. And I thought Beyda was an enforcer type.

The old fashioned enforcer who only plays as an enforcer is passe in today's hockey. I will give credit to Brashear for the fact that he skated more minutes than many of today's enforcers. He was active in the community. But it was definitely time for him to go after this year.

BTW, I enjoyed the fact that Semin edged out David Backes in goals scored. (He sounds like the perfect guy for the Philadelphia Flyers. A goon with skill.) Would not be surprised to see Philthy pick him up some day.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 25, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

It is a good thing Brashear is off the books. Perceiving it any other way is just wrong. Do I want an enforcer? Yes, but not brash. I never really liked breashear and got into constant arguments with people about him on here.

Give me a enforcer who can still do something else, or give me brashear 8 years ago.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 12:29 PM


After Brash got rocked by Belak in Nashville, his time with the Caps was up, no way they would re-sign him, so no quarrel there. I'd like to see someone who can drop 'em if necessary, but has that special ability to cause a helluva lotta mayhem as well, totally get under the other team's skin, but not turtle when the bell rings ala Claude Lemieux back in the day.

I wouldn't have minded seeing Ian Laperriere come here instead of going to Philly. The cap hit for the Flyers ($1.16 mil) is similar to Brash's for the Caps last season, but his age (36 in January) and length of contract (3 yrs) prob weren't acceptable to the Caps, if they had any interest in him that is. Just using him as an example of an upgrade over Brash as his numbers last year weren't bad:

Games: 74
Goals: 7
Assists: 12
Points: 19
Plus/minus: even
PIM: 163

McPhee is probably waiting to see how things go with the refs/Colin Campbell this year before committing a roster spot to a pugilist. Haven't looked at last year's PIMs for the returning Bears, but maybe in a pinch one of them can be called up from Hershey for potentially problematic games. Any fans who are more familiar with the Bears' roster than I have some suggestions?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't mind Lappy. A good example of an enforcer with somewhat of a brain. Given his price though, a trade would have to come eventually.

And just thinking about the Bears roster without actually looking at it, Kip Brennan. Though he sucks at the game of hockey.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

Lappy got 3-years too you say?

Yeah..no way in hell he was coming here, especially if he himself was strong on the 3 year thing. Given his age, I would not doubt it.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

And just thinking about the Bears roster without actually looking at it, Kip Brennan. Though he sucks at the game of hockey.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 1:02 PM

You mean this Kip Brennan?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lC_AioP_UIo

That fan is a drunken idiot!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

I hate Kip Brennan on so many levels.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

I didn't care either way whether we re-signed Brashear. I think his time is nearly up in this league. I'd rather have his role filled, then eliminated which is the direction McPhee appears headed in.

A team like Vanc didn't have a real heavy but they have a ton of team toughness. Hordichuk is their best fighter but he didn't do much last year. But thats a team that doesn't need a Boogaard type. They have enough other players who hit and scrap. The Caps aren't that type of a team so we need that heavy presence a lot more.

But if had a Ryane Clowe type added to this team at forward, crafted a scrappy physical 4th line (guys like Beagle, Osala, Pinizotto etc) and a couple more of our defensemen were willing and able to throw down then I'd be perfectly happy not having a real heavy on this team. Currently our two best fighters are Brads and Erskine. Neither one of them is any type of intimidating presence - Brads is a terrible fighter and Erskine is kinda damaged goods with his concussion history. And ftr, Chris Clark is also a pretty below average NHL fighter.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

and like Metal said, after the Belak beating, Brash's luster wore off a lot. The Rangers should have just re-signed Orr and stayed away from Brashear. Orr did his job very well. For whatever reason once Torts took over that team he killed Orr's ice time. The Rangers also have 2 or 3 young quality tough guys in grooming including Justin Soryal who can skate, hit, fight and is better than your average lumbering nhl oaf

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 1:23 PM | Report abuse

Most top-tier enforcers will not even give Bradley or Erskine the time of day. There is a hierarchy when it comes to this stuff.

Orr is horrible, but we've already had this argument, so lets leave it at that.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

But with that said, I'd take Orr over brash any day of the weak. Unless Brash got into a time-machine and went back 10 years.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

The bottom line with Brashear, IMO, is what he brought to the game wasn't worth the dollars he's being paid.

Kitty is right - Detroit wins w/o this element to their game. So it can be done. I think the effect of not having Brash is more in the regular season, but the Caps are again going to end up with 108 pts (barring a catastrophe). In the playoffs, if we draw Philly, we will have some problems. Would Brash be the difference maker in Caps vs Philly? I doubt it.

What we need is a guy like Beagle who forechecks and only makes $800K-ish to improve his pugilism a bit as a way of securing a regular sweater. That would be better than paying a one-dimensional player $1.5M.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 25, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the biggest problem the Caps had vs Philly in '08 and the Pens last year was keeping elite scorers from getting wide-open chances in the crease.

I don't think Brashear did one thing to stop it, nor will he prevent the Rangers from doing that.

The Caps and Bob Woods have all season to implement a more effective defensive system in time for April, 2010.

I used to play the board hockey game in the 60s when you controlled all of your metal players on poles. The defensemen could not be out of position since you could only move them within their slot. Maybe Woods needs to put some of the guys in slots.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 25, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how one can kill this enforcerless Detroit comparison.

Question is - why try so hard to take the enforcer role out of Caps hockey? I don't get it. Out of 30+ teams in this league, you want to find the one example out there where a successful team has no enforcer and you want to emulate that? Its not a lack of an enforcer that makes the Wings successful. The Wings don't have a Mike Green type either. Does that mean we remove that element from our lineup as well?

Most teams in this league have an enforcer - some are very good teams, some are not very good teams. But its not the enforcer that makes a team less than what it could be. Teams are bad because of other reasons.

Again, dumping Brash=no big deal. Eliminating that role IS a big deal unless we get a few more players into this lineup that contribute heavily to team toughness.

also Orr horrible? not quite. He takes on all comers, he knocks out more players than anyone else in hockey when he fights, and he throws thunderous booming hits in the offensive zone. One of the reasons that the new Leafs went right out and got him. But we can agree to disagree.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan I read The Code. It was good insight into the role of an enforcer. I would be fine not having an enforcer if we had tougher players. But the Caps are soft. Maybe re-signing Brashear wasn't the answer. The Caps need to toughen up or sign an enforcer type who deters opponents from cheap shots.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 25, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

But if had a Ryane Clowe type added to this team at forward, crafted a scrappy physical 4th line (guys like Beagle, Osala, Pinizotto etc) and a couple more of our defensemen were willing and able to throw down then I'd be perfectly happy not having a real heavy on this team.


Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 1:20 PM

I was curious to see how the Caps stacked up against other teams in hitting, which is usually a part of the conversation when considering "team toughness". So, I took a look at the 2008-09 NHL hits leaders to see where the Caps ranked.

Realizing what passes for a hit to a statistician in one building may not be the same elsewhere, it likely balances out over the course of a season. The Caps who placed in the top 200 hits:

9. Ovie - 247
47. Jurcina - 157
88. Erskine - 128
115. Brash - 119
125. Bradley - 115
136. Morrisonn - 111
165. Laich - 99
196. Steckel - 91

Here's how the rest of the league looked:

Number of players per team ranked in top 200 hits (lower threshold is 90 hits)

ANA - 3
ATL - 3
BOS - 10 (1 over 200 hits)
BUF - 4
CGY - 5
CAR - 7 (1 over 200 hits)
CHI - 6 (1 over 200 hits)
COL - 5
CBJ - 8 (1 over 200 hits)
DAL - 10 (2 over 200 hits)
DET - 8
EDM - 5
FLA - 5 (1 over 200 hits)
LAK - 8 (2 over 200 hits)
MIN - 2 (1 over 300 hits - league leader Cal Clutterbuck w/ 356 hits)
MTL - 8
NSH - 6
NJD - 6
NYI - 6
NYR - 13 (3 over 200 hits - Avery fell just ouside the top 200 with 89 hits)
OTT - 10 (1 over 200 hits)
PHI - 7
PHX - 7
PIT - 7 (1 over 300 hits - Orpik, 2 over 200 hits)
SJS - 10
STL - 5 (1 over 200 hits)
TBL - 6 (1 over 200 hits)
TOR - 7 (1 over 200 hits)
VAN - 5
WSH - 8 (1 over 200 hits - Ovechkin)

Minnesota struck me as odd with only 2 guys in the top 200, but, then again, Clutterbuck is quite the wrecking ball haha. The Rangers, with 13 players in the top 200 (3 over 200 hits) may have been the toughest to play against overall as only 6 teams had more than their 59 major penalties. The Caps seem to be a little above the avg. of 6.7 guys in the top 200 hits and are one of 15 teams with a player over 200 hits. So, perception of the Caps as soft has more to do with their lack of majors (29 - only DET and CAR had fewer) than their lack of hitting.

I'd love to see a bang 'em up 4th line in the mold of the Devils' "Crash Line" (Holik, Peluso, and McKay) who were integral to their Cup run success in '95. As cstanton1 suggested, some combination of the "energy" guys from Hershey would be a welcome addition to the team.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Looking back at it, losing Brashear is not a big deal. But unless we get some grit on our team, not having an enforcer is a big deal. And no I don't just want to see a fight. I just don't want to see star players hurt or too intimidated to play w confidence.
And I do not understand why everyone keeps saying Brashear is a great community guy. Why? Bec he visited a rink for underprivileged children once or twice a year?

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 25, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Let's be honest here..almost every enforcer is mediocre at best at actually playing the game of hockey. Orr is a better hockey player than Brash for sure, but he still stinks. What he does, as you said, he does not that great and inconsistently. I don't think he will ever see that much ice-time on the 3rd line. He will remain a 4th line enforcer/checker.

Like I said, we've mulled about Orr before.

I would much, much rather have one of these new kids coming up that are establishing themselves as a perfectly competent 3rd and even 2nd line checkers while also dropping the gloves. Jared Boll, Godard, Stortini..all come to mind.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan, thanks for the list. Green and Schultz need to step up and make some hits.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 25, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I know this will come as horrible news to all the Don Cherry wannabes out there, probably the worst news since the retirement of Dave Semenko, but fighting and enforcers are on the verge of extinction in the NHL. I'm not the Amazing Kreskin so I can't tell how long it will be before they die out altogether, but rest assured fighting cease to exist in pro hockey in our lifetimes. I guess we'll just have to be content with everything that makes hockey bad: skating, goal scoring, remarkable passes, clean hit...boring stuff like that

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 25, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

tempusfugitrgv:
While I could certainly live without it, I think I am in the minority (and that is proven every time people get on their feet when a fight breaks out - I am one of the few who remain seated). Seeing as it seems to be such a crowd pleaser, I don't see it going away. I heard someone from the NHL talking about it last year (can't recall who), only further bolstering my belief that it is around for good. His point was that without enforcers, smaller and finesse players would be taken out. He said that they need protection to ensure that everything that you referenced stays in the game (he used Gretzky as an example). When I shared that perspective with my better half (who thinks fighting should be banned), it was dismissed as a cop-out (i.e. "if they really wanted to protect those players then they would have harsher penalties, more suspensions and league expulsions."). I get that but I think the fact that it is considered "entertainment" in the NHL (and is unfortunately part of what draws a lot of fans in) will firmly guarantee its place in the game forever. After all, when it gets down to it the league is all about making money and that sells tickets, "like it or lump" (as our less than favorite player would say).

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Actually, the biggest problem the Caps had vs Philly in '08 and the Pens last year was keeping elite scorers from getting wide-open chances in the crease.

I don't think Brashear did one thing to stop it, nor will he prevent the Rangers from doing that.


Posted by: tominfl1 | July 25, 2009 3:22 PM

I was watching Game 4 of the 08 Flyers series the other day on NHL Network. On the winning goal both of the defensemen (might have been Green and Mo but not sure) went behind the goal chasing the puck leaving Knuble wide open at the edge of the net. Ovi started over to check him but was WAAAAAY too late. Having the roughest, toughest, fightingest, defenseman ever in the NHL wouldn't have helped there. That was a brain cramp by both D. Maybe coaching rather than toughness will make our D better

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 25, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

@Boo

I still believe it'll disappear, but gradually. When you get rid of things that are well entrenched and popular you do it bit by bit. The salary cap also comes into play. Teams can't afford one dimensional goons anymore. And you also have the no staged fights rule. I believe fewer GMs will be having designated fighters and simple attrition will get rid of most of them. And if we have another death after a fight, particularly in the pro ranks, you can pretty much put the final nail in the fighters coffin

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 25, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

tempusfugitrgv:

I hope you're right but I don't see it.

The "no staged fights rule"? Did they vote on that yet? If not, I don't think it stands a chance of passing. Even if it does I don't think it will prevent much - they will just adjust when they drop the gloves or suck it up and take the penalty.

In terms of another death, I think one in the NHL would definitely get additional attention. But then again, there will always be those people who argue it was a fluke or could have been prevented with a helmet (with no visor, of course).

So who knows, but my money is on people getting the blood that they thirst for. And I don't think that is changing with newer generations of fans. In fact a couple of years ago my sweet, adorable 12 year old niece told me that Brash was her favorite player! So I think we are stuck with it for the long haul. It may change, but I don't think it will disappear.

As for me, I will just continue to enjoy the finer points of the game.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Okay, let's expand upon the idea of a future with no more enforcers. With the on-ice lack of respect sure to become more and more prevalent through an inevitable increase in head shots, hits from behind, dangerous stick work, etc., who/what will fix the problem? Refs don't control games with rules already on the books and frequently nurture an atmosphere where dirty play flourishes. Colin Campbell and his successors have proven ineffectual at controlling that type of misconduct both through inadequate application of discipline and uneveness which favors star players (again, see Malkin, Evgeni). In any event, having to travel to NY for a meeting or taking place in a conference call to determine your fate doesn't seem to be nearly the deterrent that a good immediate stomping provides (or the mere threat thereof).

So, all who aren't in favor of enforcers for practical reasons (salary cap, taking up roster space) or style of play reasons (don't like fighting), what would you realistically propse to control the on-ice behavior of those with ill-will?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I did mean to say Colin Campbell's successors since I don't think whoever comes after him will do any better than those that came before him in handling the the so-called "supplementray discipline" the League hands out.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Metal:
Yup. Goons are used to getting penalized and disciplined. For them it is just part of their roles and the game. That won't change until they start getting tossed from the league.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

Fighting will never leave the sport. Lets discuss something else.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 25, 2009 6:47 PM | Report abuse

Phil:
Topic, please.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 7:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't believe the NHL will ever ban fighting on their own but eventually they will be forced to. Something tragic will happen and they will have no choice but to ban it.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 7:56 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan,

that's like saying how can we control crime in our city. you just keep locking up the criminals, is there any other chice?

how do we control the goons in hockey? you hurt them where it hurts, in their pocket book. these goons who don't act like professionals don't belong in the NHL. As Roger Goddell of the NFL keeps reminding their players, playing in the NFL, NHL or any other leagues is a privillege, not a right. And as with any privilleges, they can be taken away.

And please don't keep bringing up about the non-penalty on Malkin in the finals. That rule was NEVER intended for players like him. It was intended for the goons who get on the ice at the end of the games after playing a shift or two the entire game. They get on the ice just to start trouble. Can you honestly say that Malkin got on the ice just to start a fight??

I'm sure you're smart enough know the difference.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

I doubt fighting will be banned from the NHL ever. I do feel that the game has evolved in such a way that skill dominates "brute play", so there will be less need for the enforcers of the league. The game is not getting softer, but the talent pool is such that if you can't skate, score, or defend, there is no need for you. To have an enforcer ride the bench for all but 5 minutes and suit up just so the other team knows you're there is too much of a luxury. What the trend will most likely be is for skill players to carry some of the burden of toughening up, a la Ovie. As great as it was to watch Gretzky in his prime, I much prefer a player such as Ovie or Iginla, etc... Their physical game says it all. I really don't think the league will allow teams to turn loose their thugs on marque players that fill the seats. A tough, physical game with an occasional fight - yes. Games like in the 80's with untouched super-stars guarded by enforcers - no.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 8:54 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
i happen to agree that malkin was not on the ice to start trouble - but they make those rules - and they should be applied to everyone. his pre-game warmup contact should not have been overlooked by the league - that rule is in place because there are no refs on the ice to control the players.
malkin will probably continue to be brought up here - because it is an example of how inconsistant the league is in reviewing of on-ice plays

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 25, 2009 9:12 PM | Report abuse

there is a difference between playing physical and being a tough player. Ovie and Iginla play physical hockey, neither of those guys are or will ever be as tough or intense as Wayne.

you can't be a player as great as Gretzky or Micheal Jordan unless you're tough and intense. As Mike Keenan aka "Iron Mike" once said about Gretzky when he coached the Flyers, "Gretzky plays every shift as if it is going to be his last shift".

don't ever confuse Wayne's intensity with his gentlemany off-ice demeanor. If OV ends up having half the career Wayne did, the Caps will be blessed.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 9:13 PM | Report abuse

Kirk:
I could not agree more.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

I am not saying Gretzky was not intense... probably the most cerebral, calculating player the game will ever see. I loved watching him (even named a dog after him), but I prefer and see the trend to be players that bring skill AND toughness to the game - seems to be evolving in that way. Some criticized Gretzky for not being physical or willing to take a hit. Most saw the truth that he was always 2 seconds ahead of everybody else, avoided the hit, and was able to dish off one assist after another.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

Capt_Kirk_in_AZ,

every rule can and should be applied with discretion. should most first time offenders get the same kind of punishments that repeat offenders do? of course not, right?

that's why we have human beings with brains in charge so we can make these judgement calls. otherwise we might as well have robots in charge so they can apply the same rules and punishments for EVERYONE no matter what the circumstances are.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

1) I like fighting. It is the third most exciting part of the game (besides Caps score and Caps goalie great save).

2) cstanton says: "I wonder how one can kill this enforcerless Detroit comparison.

Question is - why try so hard to take the enforcer role out of Caps hockey? I don't get it. Out of 30+ teams in this league, you want to find the one example out there where a successful team has no enforcer and you want to emulate that? Its not a lack of an enforcer that makes the Wings successful.

OK, I'm not going to argue with cstanton because everyone, incl God, Jesus and Moses already have. I just want to point out that Detroit isn't just "1 team in the league," but rather 4 Cups in 12 years - the best in hockey for near a generation.

The Devils also won a few years w/o an "enforcer," unless you want to call Ken Daneyko one, and I don't. They had Scott Stevens - the best d-man in hockey.

Also, someone above said Caps have to add more grit. Well, don't Knuble and BMo count for that? Knuble is A+ on grit and BMo - isn't he at least B-?

The 14-man forward roster might also include Aucoin (some grit) and Bourque (pestiness). Hopefully...HOPEFULLY...Chris Clark returns to form. No reason at his youthful age (almost 20 years younger than me, and I can't begin to tell you how magnificent I feel) and with two years almost off that he can't. This is a guy who kept playing after his mouth and jaw were busted.

Bradley is a banger and Gordo always gives everything. Steckel plays a fairly tough, if clean, game. Ovie can hit with the best of them.

Everyone knows. I mean we know it and know it and know it and know it. The Caps need grit on D. They had it for years - it was a staple of the team. Langway. Stevens. Bob Rouse. Joe Reekie. Tinordi. Then you had guys like Calle Jo who were perfect at being in the right place. Somewhere it got lost. Maybe the coaching staff and the players can devote themselves to bringing it back.

Someone above posted they were watching Game 4 vs Flyers and the D were out of position. They could have been watching any one of the Caps recent 21 playoff games. All the same. D out of position. Biggest fundamental flaw on a very good team. Also, happens to be a pillar of strength on the...Detroit Red Wings.

Not that I want to argue with cstanton, mind you.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 25, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
I'm sorry but I have seen the Caps suffer at the hands of inconsistency far too often. Given that I would take consistency over discretion any day. Until the majority of the refs are able to exercise fair and equitable discretion, consistency should be the first order of business. Not that I'm biased or anything.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 9:50 PM | Report abuse

--Boo--

I got news for you, there are fans everywhere who feel that their team always gets the short end of the stick when it comes to refrees. you only remember the times when you got hosed, you never remember the times when you benifitted.

it's like in racing, the drivers never remember the times when they caused a wreck. but they NEVER forget the times when they got wrecked by someone else.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
your not implying that the pre-game contact brash had was a multiple offence and warranted a one game suspension while malkin's was 'do that again and you'll get a timeout too'?
my point about the league is that they do not treat each offence individually. they held brash to the rule and choose to ignore it with malkin. again - malkin will be brought up as an example of how the league chooses to do as they wish. if the league is going to use discretion - then they should use it - but alas - they don't

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 25, 2009 9:59 PM | Report abuse

And please don't keep bringing up about the non-penalty on Malkin in the finals. That rule was NEVER intended for players like him. It was intended for the goons who get on the ice at the end of the games after playing a shift or two the entire game. They get on the ice just to start trouble. Can you honestly say that Malkin got on the ice just to start a fight??

I'm sure you're smart enough know the difference.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 8:37 PM

I was actually referring to Malkin receiving a small monetary fine during the regular season last year after head hunting with his elbows while similar transgressions comitted by other players resulted in suspensions.

The League rescinding the mandatory one-game suspension in the Finals is not altogether uncommon as they have done the same thing in circumstances where it was obvious there was no intent to have a premeditated fight. A couple of years ago, a Canuck player instigated a fight after one of his teammates was deliberately injured. He received the automatic one-game suspension, but the League relented since he came to the defense of his fellow player.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
BAH!!! I've got news for you - I said not that I'm biased or anything ... :-P

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

Boo -

I doubt there will ever be the consistency you seek. I think it is similar to the way umps differ in their strike zones (sorry for using baseball to make a point). Coaches and players need to be aware of who is officiating and adapt to their constraints. In my opinion... just an opinion... I don't think most refs seek players out too much or are too unfair. Some players are notorious for certain behavior or tactics and the refs are aware of this and probably are keeping an eye out for this. Fair? I don't know. I recall Semin being called for diving quite a bit 2 years ago. He developed that reputation and it caught up with him. Last year, he seemed to be a better actor because the calls didn't come as frequently.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Not that I'm trying to argue, because I'm not, but the topic was winning teams w/o "enforcers." Exhibit A, presented by Kitty, was today's Wings.

May I present Exhibit B? Your Honor, I offer 5-time Cup winners, the Montreal Canadiens of 76, 77, 78, 79 & 80. They had Dryden, Shutt, Lafleur and Robinson. I think the Pocket Rocket had hung em up, can't recall. Langway came on maybe for the last two Cups. Bob Gainey was there for sure. Who else? Name the ENFORCER. Really, I don't think they had one.

NY Islanders won the next 4 Cups, 81, 82, 83 and 84, beating the Caps at least twice en route. Name the ENFORCER. I can't remember for sure, but, honestly, I think Billy Smith was the meanest guy on the team. What was special is that Potvin, an absolutely terrible, whiny announcer, was possibly the best d-man in the game over those four years. 30 goals on offense and tough as nails to boot. If he'd only quit spoiling his HoF reputation with his color on the Panthers game.

"Ah, gee, that was an obsolutely terrible call, probably jipped the Panthers out of a shot at the Cup."

Let's not forget that the Isles had grit oozing out of everywhere - John Tonelli, Bryan Trottier - and they had great role players like Butch Goring. And having an Ovechkin-elite RW (Bossy) didn't hurt.

When the Pens won 2 Cups early 90s - who enforcer?

The only teim I ever heard an enforcer playing a reeminent role on a Cup winner was the LW of the day playing with Gretzky. Then again you had Messier as second line C - possibly the best second line C ever and another tougher than nails guy - and you had Lowe and Coffey and Kurri and Grant Fuhr and Anderson, etc.

You don't win with enforcement per se - you win by keeping their guys from getting chip-in goals. That's not enforcement - that's just good hockey.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 25, 2009 10:05 PM | Report abuse

gonchpup:
lol! Poor Semin ... always tripping over the lines (you should see him walking down the sidewalk - all of those cracks are a real killer!). I hear ya and I agree - that elusive consistency will be hard to find. However, I still think the league could do a better job of managing (some of) the refs. Furthermore, I'm always surprised to see who gets the playoff nod. Oh well, I know it's a losing battle.

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 25, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

And, with regards to "hitting them in the pocketbook", since the minimum NHL salary is now over $500k, even a 40 game suspension allows a player to make $250k pre-taxes, not a bad take, and certainly not a deterrent.

Todd Bertuzzi was suspended indefinitely for his vicious attack of

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I remember when Denis Potvin ended the first part of Bengt Gustafsson's career with the Caps. Ron Weber got upset in the air for the first time in my memory, all but accused Potvin of sticking his knee out to trip Gussy. Then he calmed down a couple minutes later and said that anyone who had seen Potvin in the locker room realized that the guy was just built like a rock, anytime you got hit by that guy you were in danger of getting hurt.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

the thing about all the enforcer argument is that their role is getting less and less relevant. Unless the NHL signs a big TV deal and/or the economy fully recovers - neither of which is likely to happen anytime soon - the salary cap is going to keep decreasing.

As someone earlier suggested very few teams will be able to afford a true enforcer in their lineup. more teams will soon follow the example set by the Wings and put someone who can actually play regular shifts in the lineup instead. and enforcers will soon be a dying breed.

Posted by: joek443 | July 25, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Todd Bertuzzi was suspended indefinitely for his vicious attack on Steve Moore, but unfortunately, the League proved to be spineless and reinstated him following the lock-out. He should never have been allowed to play again since Moore never recovered and has never played another game. The League missed a great chance to make an example out of Bertuzzi, but instead would rather trumpet their attempts to reduce fighting as a cleaning up of the game.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 10:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree. The enforcer is a dying breed, but not just because of the salary cap. Sure, it plays a part, but I still think you need to combine the $ point with the talent that is out there now - it's just a different game. Most teams probably feel they would be better served by 3rd and 4th line players that bring more to the game than fists.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

I'd love to see a bang 'em up 4th line in the mold of the Devils' "Crash Line" (Holik, Peluso, and McKay) who were integral to their Cup run success in '95. As cstanton1 suggested, some combination of the "energy" guys from Hershey would be a welcome addition to the team.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

awesome Metal :) Gimme a line like Holik centering McKay and Peluso and you'll make me a very happy fan!

i really wish Dovgan was still in the Caps plans somewhere. I thought this kid would really add a lot of team toughness and greatly reduce the need for another physical defenseman...But i'd like to see kids like Beagle, AGordon, Osala and Pinizzotto crack our lineup in the next 2 seasons. That will go a long way in toughening up our team along with guys like Carlson. Alzner , not so much.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

also, someone above said Caps have to add more grit. Well, don't Knuble and BMo count for that? Knuble is A+ on grit and BMo - isn't he at least B-?

--Knuble is not an A+. He's like a B+. He doesn't fight and he's not intimidating. He gets a B+ because he's a quality grinder who lacks some speed but works his butt off, finishes a lot of his checks. But no, to give him an A+ allows no room to grade grittier wingers of which there are plenty.

Brendan Morrison like a C- when it comes to grit. He's a finesse center who once in a while will go hard into a corner to get a puck. But to give BMo a B- is a little generous. If you give him a B-, you may as well give Boyd Gordon a B.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 25, 2009 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Some criticized Gretzky for not being physical or willing to take a hit. Most saw the truth that he was always 2 seconds ahead of everybody else, avoided the hit, and was able to dish off one assist after another.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 25, 2009 9:22 PM

well there are moronic and stupid "fans" in every sport. Gretzky was about 5'10 and maybe weighed 170 fully dressed? he wasn't exactly Doug Gilmore fragile physically but it would have been very stupid of him to try and throw what little weight he had around.

he was incredibly durable till late in his career, especically compared to Mario Lemieux... some people have nothing better to do than knit pick, as if they come any where close to perfection in their line of work.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

Todd Bertuzzi was suspended indefinitely for his vicious attack on Steve Moore, but unfortunately, the League proved to be spineless and reinstated him following the lock-out. He should never have been allowed to play again since Moore never recovered and has never played another game. The League missed a great chance to make an example out of Bertuzzi, but instead would rather trumpet their attempts to reduce fighting as a cleaning up of the game.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 25, 2009 10:48 PM |

I could not disagree more with you.

You basically just said to let the league make decisions based on injury.

Walker vs. Brash anyone ?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 10:42 AM | Report abuse

@Kitty

First off, I just want to point out that there have been many mini-dynasties in which an enforcer was used. Stating the two most stacked teams ever in hockey in a non-salary cap era to point out that enforcers are not needed seems to create some discrepancies. The habs may have not had any, but they sure as hell got about 3 of them right away after they started to lose again. Corson, Kordic, etc...
Habs also won 4 in a row during that time period.

The Isles had Langevin (Caps fan, remember him?) and others.

Anyways, both of these teams represent an overall team toughness that deters an enforcer.

Look, I agree that an enforcer is useless in the playoffs. Their role has shifted tremendously. That is why I have repeated, over and over and over and over again, to pick up one of these new-age defenders, like Boll, Godard, etc. They can actually play competent hockey while also throwing the gloves down when needed.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

"Evgeni Malkin in an interview said that he was going to seriously improve his English because, in his view, his communication with the journalists was not enough to get him the Hart Trophy. How would you look at it?
If someone believes that Hart Trophy is given only for communicating with the journalists, they can even start learning Chinese if they think it would help."


I lost a lot of respect for Malkin when he said that a few weeks ago.

FACT: Ovie would have beat you in the points race if he played all 82 games.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 11:06 AM | Report abuse

fighting in hockey is like crashes in racing... there are those who enjoy them more than the sport itself.

there are sizeable nascar "fans" who have been upset ever since they changed the Bristol track which has long been one of the top two or three favorite tracks. They can actually race side by side there now instead of having to move the cars in front of them to make a pass. The drivers love it but some fans hate it because there have been fewer and fewer wrecks there since the change... are they real racing fans? in my opinion, NO.

if the enforcers and fighting itself goes away, there will be some "fans" who will be upset. but are they real fans of hockey??

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 11:22 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: It seems to me that what you are calling for is a return to the lunchpail days of what I'm guessing are your formative years. That's just not going to happen. The Caps' philosophy and approach to the game is not what it was in the 80's and 90's, and that new philosophy is as much about flash and flair as it is about hard work. It's just not, and I'm seeing in all your complaints about toughness and which players you like and which players you don't is an inability to accept that the Caps have changed. I think the adds of Knuble and Morrison will be enough, especially if you add Bourque and eventually Alzner and Carlson to the blueline. We were a couple of bad bounces from taking the Pens out, say what you will.

Dude, seriously. These aren't your father's Caps. If you cannot accept that, and you aren't alone, then maybe it's time for you to move on and root for another team, and I'm not saying that to be nasty. It's obvious to me that you are having a lot of trouble accepting the new philosophy, and if you can't deal with it, move on. I hear Toronto's got some good toughness going on - keep an eye on the Leafs this year.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 26, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

Did you really just compare wrecking in racing to fights in hockey?

Was Kripke your professor of logic or something?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry but is someone trying to tell me something???

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 11:39 AM | Report abuse

actually fighting is hockey is a lot worse than wrecks in racing.

there is NO way to prevent every wreck in racing. they can outlaw fighing in hockey right now if they want to. but they choose to wait till someone actually dies from it before they ban it.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Wrecking is completely unneeded. It can not be said from any argument to contribute to the sport. Fighting, whether you like it or not, have very valid arguments for its need in hockey, whether you actually agree with them or not.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

I think I maybe need to clarify myself. I don't really give two craps, entertainment-wise, whether fights happen or not. I get more excited when I see goals scored anyway. I don't care at all. Personally, I don't see the need to get rid of it though. But if it should happen to go, who really cares? It's not a big deal, but will probably blow a huge blast through the NHL's current attempt to establish itself as a dominant American sport, like the MB, NFL, and NBA.

Here's the reality; despite what you may think, fighting is still very much a part of this sport. The signing of Orr and Brash confirm that. Riley Cote... Young guys like Boll, Godard, Stortini, etc racking up 20+ regular season fights. Fighting is obviously still a factor in the regular season. All the signs point to it. So until whenever fighting is out of the game, I will talk about enforcers and their changing roles in the regular season.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

fighting used to be part of the NBA as well. that's when they were behind even the NHL in popularity.

then they wised up and got rid of it as well as all the drug problem they used to have. then they started to really promote their stars instead of all this other junk.

can anyone say that the NHL is anywhere close to the NBA in popularity right now??

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

And I want to say that that doesn't mean I hate the changes made to hockey overall since the lockout. Hockey in the 90s was almost unbearable to watch, with all the hooking, slashing and dirty stuff that went uncalled. The sport is far more wide-open now and you see skill starting to come out more. I don't think we will ever see Gretzky era numbers again.

I separate the changing sport with fighting though. I don't see why, as tempus and others said, all signs point to fighting being out of hockey soon. It is quite the contrary. The sport has changed for the good to an overall more skill-dominated game, but that doesn't mean I see fighting leaving.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

Wait, are you really implying that fighting served the same role in basketball as it does in hockey? And are you really trying to say that fighting was anywhere near the level, it was in the NHL? This is just another bad comparison.

There is just as much "fighting" in the NBA as there used to be too.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Wrecking is completely unneeded. It can not be said from any argument to contribute to the sport. Fighting, whether you like it or not, have very valid arguments for its need in hockey, whether you actually agree with them or not.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:21 PM

LMAO yes wrecking is UNNEEDED but that's beside the point. We don't NEED accidents on the beltway either but doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

if you think you NEED fighting in hockey, you are just selling the sport short.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

LMAO yes wrecking is UNNEEDED but that's beside the point. We don't NEED accidents on the beltway either but doesn't mean it's not going to happen.

if you think you NEED fighting in hockey, you are just selling the sport short.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:40 PM |

Why is this funny? How is it besides the point? What? My point is that there are no arguments to keep wrecking in racing. Of course it is going to still happen, but THAT is besides the point. There are plenty of arguments to keep fighting in hockey, and get this guy who lacks reading comprehension..WHETHER YOU AGREE WITH THEM OR NOT. So to compare the two is just a bad analogy.

And for the 24523th time, I don't care about fighting at all, especially for its' "entertainment" value.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

fighting used to be part of the NBA as well

fighting was never 'part' of the nba - kermit washington bashing in rudy tomjanovich's face is stuff that used to happen - but there were immediate ejections, then possible suspensions and fines.

hockey is inherently more physical than b-ball. the players carry a stick - which some could call a weapon. the act of checking in itself will lead to player wanting to retaliate against the checker. allowing fighting is a way to keep the game from getting out of hand. i don't really care for the 'staged' fights between the goons that get little ice time anyway. but allowing the players to 'police' themselves could actually keep the violence/cheap shots to a minimum. i don't watch hockey in the hopes of seeing a fight break out - but i do believe it has its place

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 26, 2009 12:49 PM | Report abuse

do you even understand racing at all or even know how to read??? wrecking in racing is like accidents on the beltway. there is NO way to prevent all of them.

Now if you're talking about INTENTIONAL wrecking then there are penalties for those like any other sports.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Jesus christ....

Reading Comprehension. Tact. Analogies, and what constitutes a bad one.

Learn these things before returning to the internet.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Jesus christ....

Reading Comprehension. Tact. Analogies, and what constitutes a bad one.

Learn these things before returning to the internet.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 12:52 PM

good advice, you should follow it.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

LOL like it's my fault that you're completely ignorant as to what "wrecking" means in racing...

if you wanna talk about self policing, you can't survive in nascar or any other motor sport if you keep wrecking on purpose. the other drivers are gonna run you outta the sport in a heart beat.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

No one is talking about wrecking on purpose except you...

Wrecking, in general, has no place in the sport. of course it will still happen. I said this a million times.

Fighting, in general, whether you agree with the arguments or not can be said to have a place. either way, fights will still happen.

What is there to not get here..? It was a bad analogy, take your lumps and move on. The NBA one was just as bad, as Cap'n Kirk helped refute.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

and there are plenty of arguments to keep wrecking in racing.. I completely disagree with them but there are those who like seeing them in motor sports.

if you don't understand that, you just don't understand racing.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Give me one argument to have wrecking in racing, besides for "entertainment." That argument holds no weight.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

the bad boy pistons haven't been around since the early 90's.. that's history.

there used to be bench clearing brawls in the NBA all the time. No they didn't have 5 minute penalties for fighting in the NBA but it was part of the sport. ask any NBA experts.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

LMAO

I've got news for you. All sports are a form of entertainment. You and a few others on here need to wake up and smell the coffee once in a while.

besides for "entertainment? that's all this is.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

So basically there is no argument to have it in the sport?

Great, move on.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Why do you care whether NHL gets to NFL or NBA status? So that we can watch over paid athletes w big egos do a half ass job at playing? The NHL is good how it is. If you are someone who wants the NHL to become as popular as the NFL and NBA, taking fighting out will do little if anything to help. Americans aren't going to suddenly flock to hockey bec the occasional fight has been removed. The amount of people who will watch hockey based on whether there are or aren't fight is marginal.
Someone above stated that the lessening salaries of enforcers are proof that fighting is on its way out. Brash was just signed for $2.8 and Orr was just signed for $4 mil.
If injury is your reason for banning fighting, would you also like to ban checking or remove hockey sticks from the game? Injury and death can result from use of either.
The NHL is good how it is. They have reduced the fighting, but they are not going to ban it.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 26, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

And w MMA (which is hugely popular) why would anyone watch a three hour game of hockey just in case a fight breaks out?

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 26, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: It seems to me that what you are calling for is a return to the lunchpail days of what I'm guessing are your formative years. That's just not going to happen. The Caps' philosophy and approach to the game is not what it was in the 80's and 90's, and that new philosophy is as much about flash and flair as it is about hard work. It's just not, and I'm seeing in all your complaints about toughness and which players you like and which players you don't is an inability to accept that the Caps have changed. I think the adds of Knuble and Morrison will be enough, especially if you add Bourque and eventually Alzner and Carlson to the blueline. We were a couple of bad bounces from taking the Pens out, say what you will.
KittyPaws------------------------------

for one, to even mention Brendan Morrison as a way to support your argument that the Caps got grittier is a complete misnomer. He's not a gritty hockey player. He can help this team in other ways, but not in the grit dept. He's never ever been a gritty hockey player, he's been a speed guy who plays more of a finesse style. You're making him out to be like a Brandon Dubinsky type

As to a return to the lunchpail days, in case you weren't paying attention in the Penguins series, their forwards esp on the top 2 lines completely outworked our top line forwards. That too is a form of grit - to be able to dump, chase, work the boards, control the puck. The Penguins aren't just a finesse team. They have a lot of grit as well and they displayed it. And just because Eric Godard didn't play in the playoffs it doesn't mean he didn't play a valuable role in the reg season. Also, who did the Penguins sign in the offseason? Mike Rupp and Jay McKee -- both known for size, strength, hitting and fighting (in the case of Rupp). So they got even gritter from last season, they didn't go out and sign any skill guys.

lastly you mentioned Alzner as a gritty addition -- Alzner? come on. That's like calling Schultz gritty. If you're going to characterize Alz as a gritty defenseman, then everyone in the nhl is a gritty player. He wasn't even gritty at the nhl level. Hopefully he develops a bit more physicality in his game to complement his other assets but he's not there yet and there's no evidence that he or the Caps are even interested in a more physical version of Karl Alzner.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 26, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

and for folks like Joek and anyone else who thinks that fighting is strictly a sideshow and serves no real importance in the game - you just have to look at free agent signings, deadline trades and a slew of other evidence that points to the contrary. Teams can't afford to chew up money, cap space and a roster spot on a "sideshow". Teams employ tough guys because they see a real tangible value in it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 26, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

[well there are moronic and stupid "fans" in every sport. Gretzky was about 5'10 and maybe weighed 170 fully dressed? he wasn't exactly Doug Gilmore fragile physically but it would have been very stupid of him to try and throw what little weight he had around.

he was incredibly durable till late in his career]

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 12:36 AM | Report abuse

easy pickings here -- the reason Gretz was so durable was because no one else ever hit the guy. Not that they couldn't hit him, they chose not to because they'd get killed by his teammates. Edm in the heyday of their dynasty was also arguably the toughest team in the nhl during the Gretzky years. Once in a blue moon a player (i.e. Peplinski or future nhl referee Bill McCreary) would ignore this implied threat and take Gretz out. And that usually led to some kind of on-ice war.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 26, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Wow I'm gone for a little bit and what do I come back to? NASCAR talk? You're kidding me right? To wreck or not to wreck? I can't tell you how thrilling it is to watch a bunch of tatoo'd, loud and colorful cars drive really fast and turn left. It's absolutely phenominal, about as exciting as watching soccer and the 1-0 blow out. Oh there he goes! Oops nope defender fell down so offensive guy is offsides! Oh and then there's the guy who acts like he got shot by a sniper in the 3rd tier only to get up 7 seconds later and kick the ball 800 miles! Please time fast forward to the beginning of October.

Oh and since you're talking about NASCAR, why don't you talk about how some guy (I think J Johnson) got nominated for an ESPY for athlete of the year! Really? Athlete of the year? I'm really hoping that nobody on here is going to claim that NASCAR drivers are athletes! So a NASCAR driver gets a nomination to be athlete of the year and not ONE, NOT ONE hockey player got nominated! The next thing you're gonna tell me is some chick dunked in a WNBA game.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 26, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

Too much infighting.

Anyway, kitypawz wrote this: "We were a couple of bad bounces from taking the Pens out, say what you will."

What she wrote is very true. Caps were up 2-0 and then in overtime in Game 3. Any time you get to overtime, you can never say for sure one team really beat the other. At that point, the bounces have an effect. As I remember, Game 3 ended on a double deflection into the net.

The Caps gave the Pens the best run for their money. Not getting Bill Guerin was am impact. Not getting a crease-clearer at the deadline had an impact. Not getting a bounce and not getting a whistle - say what you will.

You could replay last season 100 times starting with the 2nd Round and these are the results you'd get:

Detroit wins 25 times
Pens, Caps, Boston wins 15 times each
Chicago, Vancouver, Carolina, Anahein wins the other 30 times.

The Penguins are a very talented team but they also got lucky.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 26, 2009 7:55 PM | Report abuse

With apologies to Demi Moore, the 1st sign of the apocolypse:

"People who agree on the outcome have total, complete and even irrational disagreement on the path."

One down, six to go.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 26, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

With further apologies to Demi Moore, the 2nd sign of the Apocolypse:

The NHL schedules the world's most perfect game for the Winter Classic but NBC changes the game, despite knowing the ramifications of committing one of the 7 Deadly Sins (Greed), with hopes of securing a few extra sheckles.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 26, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

The 3rd sign of the apocolypse:

Nobody really cares about anything. Except arguing. This is also a 7 Deadly Sin (Pride).

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 26, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

The 4th sign of the Apocolypse.

The archangel of good converts to serve Mephistophiles.

As evidence: Donald Brashear has signed two years with NYR. From another perspective, Mike Knuble has signed two years withe Caps.

We are on the precipitice of the World.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 26, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

I argue nothing, I point out stupid arguments.

:)

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

There are three more signs. Once you get to the 7th Sign, all hope is lost. I will say, in my 51 years, things have never looked this bleak. Maybe I'm just overreating due to (very serious) health issues we are going through at home.

It seems like I am joking but I am masking reality.

This is heartfelt when I ask that you guys try a little harder to get along. Things aren't so easy now. My daughter is my Caps buddy and now she is in the hospital, thinking we are trying to harm her, with mental illness. Please give thoughts and prayers if you can.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 26, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Just for the record, the Bill McCreary who smoked Gretzky is not the same awful referee.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 26, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1
I've been there too, hang tough and good luck.
Bill D

Posted by: billd2 | July 26, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

pokerfaceI208,

why don't you stick to something you actually know instead of talking about something you know absolutely NOTHING about???

Jimmie Johnson is about to win his fourth CONSECUTIVE nascar cup championship.. he's right now the most dominant ATHLETE in this country. If you think they're not athleletes, try driving your car at 170 mph with AC shut off for 4 hours in an mile and a half oval. And do that every sunday from feb till november every sunday. oh BTW gather up 42 of your buddies and race with them side by side at that speed for 4 hours. if you can take my word, try emailing Liz Clarke of the Post and ask her how hard that is.

Posted by: joek443 | July 26, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

ran into a pens fan tonight. he was wearing his baby blues. i'm depressed we didn't smoke them, or beat them. sad day.

Posted by: my92agsr | July 26, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Race car drivers are very athletic. They lose a tremendous amount of hydration and weight during the race.

http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2672/392/

This does not just apply to F1.

Sure, they are not the human machines pro hockey players are, but race car driving takes a tremendous amount of physical and mental energy.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

In other sports news today, the Nationals won today -- in extra innings. This was after the Padres had hit a last ditch homer (with 2 outs in the 9th) to tie it up.

Must confess I'm more into baseball than racing.

When going home on Metro, I saw a Pens fan wearing their black and tan World Championship tee shirt which displayed all the scores of all the playoff games. Grr!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 10:20 PM | Report abuse

O's > Nats.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 10:23 PM | Report abuse

I see everyone's posting signs of the Apocalypse on here. I hope the doomsayers are wrong.

Then I tell myself to be more optimistic. In the last two years, I witnessed my daughter's high school swim team dump their arch-rival in a dual meet, which was the first time anyone had done that for 10 years. Then, I watched my daughter's summer league team dump their hated arch-rivals giving them their first loss since 2004. So, I now keep telling myself, the Caps WILL beat the Pens in a playoff series AND win the Stanley Cup.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 10:25 PM | Report abuse

When going home on Metro, I saw a Pens fan wearing their black and tan World Championship tee shirt which displayed all the scores of all the playoff games. Grr!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 10:20 PM |

As a non-hockey reads the scores, "oh the caps put up a good fight..game 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, ...wait, what?"

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

non-hockey fan*..

yeesh.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

O's are certainly having a better year than the Nats which isn't saying much. Both are in last. BTW, I'm an O's fan also. (And also the St. Louis Cardinals.)

So, you're not a Braves fan, given that the Braves have had a farm team in Richmond since forever (but are leaving Richmond).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 10:28 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Would a non-hockey fan even care (about the playoff game scores)?

I believe the Caps basically ran out of gas in Game 7.

Carolina reminds me of the annoying younger sibling who your parents like better than you for some reason.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 10:35 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

O's are certainly having a better year than the Nats which isn't saying much. Both are in last. BTW, I'm an O's fan also. (And also the St. Louis Cardinals.)

So, you're not a Braves fan, given that the Braves have had a farm team in Richmond since forever (but are leaving Richmond).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 10:28 PM |

Oh, I know that they both suck, haha. I just meant in general. Neither have any pitching, though that kid with the Nats is supposed to be something fierce isn't he? I forgot his name. All the offense in the world won't matter if you have no pitchers.

I was actually raised in Nova, so that is why I am a Caps and Orioles fan. This was before the Expos came into town, and after the Sens came and went. O's were the baseball team on HTS. (home team sports, as you probably know.) I moved to Richmond 5 years ago. I used to go to Braves games all the time, it is sad to see them go. They have inquired about acquiring another baseball team, but I am not sure how concrete it is. My heart for minor league baseball is actually with the Potomac Nationals, or the Prince William County Cannons as I fondly know them. From their Pirates affiliation to the Nats now, that was my team. It was my first job, working summers for minimum wage, haha.

I am/was a big fan of any of the Richmond hockey teams. Renegades were the most recent, but they might be leaving the city as well.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 10:36 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

The Nats are finally starting to get some pitchers. Lannan has been on a role lately. Stammen hasn't been too bad either. They still haven't signed their draft pick Strassburg (sp?).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 26, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Tomfin, I've also been there. Be strong. It does get better.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 27, 2009 2:56 AM | Report abuse

Tom:
I'm so sorry to hear that ... all the best to you and yours.

Posted by: Boo- | July 27, 2009 7:19 AM | Report abuse

Tominfl1: sorry to hear about your daughter. Sounds like she's got a great dad, though, one who is definitely thoughtful and loving. You're in my thoughts and prayers.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 27, 2009 8:10 AM | Report abuse

Why would Boston sign Morris instead of Kessel?

I wonder what the asking price is for Kessel...

Posted by: Greg S. | July 27, 2009 8:47 AM | Report abuse

Tominfl1

Keep the faith. Best hopes for a speedy recovery.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 27, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

@Greg S. - I wondered the same thing??? Since the Kessel for Kaberle thing didnt sound like it was going through, then Ward leaving, I thought Boston was making room for him. But then, Morris? I think they overpaid a bit for him.

Posted by: Grape8 | July 27, 2009 10:25 AM | Report abuse

@joek - you're absolutely right. I know very little about NASCAR. I know they drive really fast and turn left. You just enlightened me to something else, they sweat alot too! So that makes them an athlete? Really? I thought golfers being athletes was at least some sort of debate but a car driver? That brings the argument to a new low. The main point was that a car driver was nominated to win an ESPY yet a hockey player wasn't. Maybe instead of the debate being "is a car driver and athlete" it should be "is a car driver more deserving of winning an athlete award over a hockey player". Does that make you happy? I could care less what I know or don't know about a car driver, they are NOT athletes. Let me guess you also think professional bowlers are athletes too?

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 27, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

pokerfaceI208:
First car drivers then golfers and now bowlers?!? Man, you're just looking for a fight, aren't you?!? ;-)

Posted by: Boo- | July 27, 2009 10:43 AM | Report abuse

I probably shouldn't get involved in this one, but I'm bored. This whole "athlete" debate is always heated and biased and fun if you try to be philosophical about it. Define athlete. On several occasions I have read fellow hockey fans here blast soccer. While not as brutal, one could argue skill, athleticism, conditioning, mental toughness, etc... are on par with each other, yet soccer is looked down upon by many because players are perceived (and sometimes rightfully so) as shin-holding wimps - "Ref,ref"! Many opinions. Race car drivers? How about jockeys? Anyway, seems one needs to define sport, athlete, competition, game, etc... how about a Venn Diagram? :) As a devil's advocate here, I bet you could find many things in common between a NASCAR driver and a hockey player, starting with, "Hey, they both wear helmets".

Posted by: gonchpup | July 27, 2009 11:23 AM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Just for the record, the Bill McCreary who smoked Gretzky is not the same awful referee.

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 26, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

lol no way?! but you're correct, I just wiki'd it - looks like they're cousins. good call

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EahfnX8LGUU

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 27, 2009 11:34 AM | Report abuse

gonchpup:
Soccer players are definitely athletes. They're a bunch of whiners, but they are athletic whiners! :-) Speaking of, I have always been amused by the fact that The Onion classifies soccer as Womens Sports/Soccer ... HA!

http://www.theonion.com/content/topics/Womens%2BSports%2Band%2BSoccer

Posted by: Boo- | July 27, 2009 12:00 PM | Report abuse

car drivers are definitely athletic, you have to be conditioned to drive a car at that high speed and hold onto a steering wheel thats wound tighter than a bass drum.
After 20 laps of running high speed gokarts you can feel the tension it puts in your arms, shoulders, neck, sides, back and legs. I'm sure driving 200+laps at 150mph or more requires a good deal of athleticism (conditioning, strength, mental acuity, coordination and reflexes).

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 27, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

I'll weigh in, too.

Any activity where you can drink and/or smoke while participating in said activity is not a sport.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 27, 2009 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mrszilla | July 27, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

ESPN shows the World Poker Championships...are these guys now going to be included in the 'Athlete' conversation? I personally do not consider golfers as athletes, my wife walks further when she is on a shopping spree, plus it costs me money.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | July 27, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg S.:
you just crushed my roy hobbs softball dreams

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Greg, I think that's too narrow a standard.

I was going to say that you should add "professionally", since I've been in rec Hockey leagues where people drank beer on the bench. I hear drinking at softball games is a requirement. But, there are a few sports where you can smoke and play at a high level. Say golf: Golf is a sport. Its not an aerobic sport, but it is a sport. Now, I don't drink when I play; I'm a scratch player and I can't play the way I like while drinking. But, I have been known to have a stogie or two while playing.

How about this one: any activity where you can be bound to a wheelchair and play at the highest levels is not a sport. Poker, take note.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | July 27, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl: My thoughts and prayers to your hockey buddy. She's got every reason to get well soon, if not to just accompany her pretty awesome dad to what will amount to be another awesome run for the Stanley Cup. Let her know that she needs to get better or she has to wear a baby blue Penguins jersey while she's in the hospital. And no wants that for her. Really. =)

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 27, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

Driving in LA traffic probably takes as long as a few laps in NASCAR races, am I considered an athlete? =P

Rather than be funny, maybe if we consider what type of physical training the NASCAR drivers must undergo to be deemed an athlete? My personal opinion, without knowing what the physical training is for a driver, is that they aren't. *shrug* I think the ESPY's could just as easily label and consider a professional fisher an athlete if they wanted to. It won't make the most sense but unless those yahoos even care what we have to think, they'll overlook our hockey players for someone who sits on their butt for 4 hours going in circles and smoking exhaust fumes. Oh, and is driving really fast. Most places you get a ticket for that, not an award that says you're a better athlete than someone who skates for 20 to 30 minutes with close to an extra 50 pounds of equipment and have to shoot around a puck and get knocked around by another skater and/or banged up against a glass/wood wall.

Still, it's just the ESPY's. Megh.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 27, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and despite my usual jovial personality, I do like a good fight here and there. It may not happen as often as it used to, according to some folks, but I can't see it being completely banned. I think there is a shared frustration that the rules aren't applied fairly and equitably as they should, which tends to justify having an enforcer on the team, but I'd like just a wee bit more than someone who can hit hard. Some skating and goal scoring would be nice. But as a fan, I'll miss Brashear.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 27, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company