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Fedorov, Sloan, Backstrom To Trainer's Room

Sergei Fedorov, Tyler Sloan and Nicklas Backstrom are all in the trainer's room with injuries. I hope to have an update after the game.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  December 13, 2008; 9:23 PM ET
 
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Backis leaving is the most perplexing. He had that penalty and seemed fine, then ... ?

Varlamov is warming up, though!

Posted by: cityspirit | December 13, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Well, it wouldn't be a road game without an injury.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Unreal...just when I thought the injury nightmare was over...

Posted by: ralCapsFan | December 13, 2008 9:27 PM | Report abuse

So glad I got the Feds sweater...maybe I see him a total of 8 games this season (even being a STH!)

Posted by: ralCapsFan | December 13, 2008 9:28 PM | Report abuse

GOOOOAAAAALLLLLL!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: doncosmic | December 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

YESSSSSS!!!!!!!!! GOAL!!

Posted by: GregAnnapolis | December 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

zoolander! woooo

Posted by: 202-206 | December 13, 2008 9:31 PM | Report abuse

nylander baby!!!

Posted by: CapsSkins | December 13, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

wow that makes up for skating in circles, at least a little bit

Posted by: doncosmic | December 13, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Since when did Nylander ask the Senators for facial-hair growing advice? When did this happen?

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 9:32 PM | Report abuse

And to think I was just yelling at Nyls to get off the ice if he wasn't going to do anything!

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

maybe i should say "nylander sucks" more! btw, i'm sold on Varlamov, I LOVE HIM!

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2008 9:33 PM | Report abuse

Nice goal by Nyls!

I must say that Varlamov is the real deal. He made some tremendous saves before the goal!

Go Caps go!!

Posted by: Terptwin | December 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

FINALLY! NYLANDER!

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 9:34 PM | Report abuse

Yes!!!!!!

Yeah!!!!!

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | December 13, 2008 9:35 PM | Report abuse

VICTORY!

CONGRATULATIONS VARLAMOV!

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

What a great debut for Varlamov! Classy move by Poti to get the puck back for him. Two points, hell yes.

Posted by: GregAnnapolis | December 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

YES! What a victory! Man I hope they're all all right though :(

Posted by: mauree | December 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

YES go BEARS, I mean Caps. Assist by Giroux. I hope Feds, Sloan and Backs are OK.

Posted by: HBFan | December 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

I would never wish an actual injury on a Caps player, but I wouldn't really mind at all if Theodore had to go on LTIR, just for the salary cap reasons.

Posted by: doncosmic | December 13, 2008 9:36 PM | Report abuse

@section 117: actually I think the facial hair looks good on Nylander!

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

I didnt even read what this post was about. Now that I have, I wish I didn't. More freaking injuries!

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

so what's up with the habs? losing to the dirty fliers in last year's playoffs taught them that they need to play dirty to win? f them.

Posted by: 202-206 | December 13, 2008 9:37 PM | Report abuse

Incredible debut for Varlamov. He kept us in the game in an incredible arena when the Habs put a lot of pressure.

Posted by: mauree | December 13, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

Alright, enough of this incredibly ignorant green bashing. Listen to yourselves. With each post you make you simply drive the stake deeper through you credibility until what's left is someone who'd rather see Collins on the ice than the guy who led all Caps defensemen in plus minus before getting hurt and who in his first game back registered a goal and two assists. Here, go do the rest of your posting on this imaginary type writer...you call yourselves Caps fans? worthless.

Posted by: MTB7 | December 13, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

we got leadership tonight. we now have 2 goalies. impressive victory

Posted by: ergoroc | December 13, 2008 9:39 PM | Report abuse

What a win! I realize Montreal was banged up--but so were we (again).

Varlamov was superb. Yes, he was a bit jumpy. And, he seemed to get back in time to make the big save.

If we can stay healthy-and that's a big "if"-and add a stud on the blueline, I think this team can go far.

Well done. Vive les Caps!

Posted by: Terptwin | December 13, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Varlamov was #1 star!!! 32 saves in his 1st NHL game in Montreal!!!!!! Woo Hoo!!!

Posted by: --Boo-- | December 13, 2008 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Congrats Varlamov!

Posted by: Steve_R | December 13, 2008 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Like Joe B and Locker said, it has been an incredible week.

It is just one game I know, but Varley has shown he can keep up at this level and be an NHL starter potentially sooner than later.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | December 13, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

STEVE!! You're gonna have to have a beer for me to celebrate!! ;-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | December 13, 2008 9:43 PM | Report abuse

Man were the Habs playing dirty. I lost a ton of respect for them and Guy Carb. McWalrus called a terrible game. Combine the two and more Caps injured.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS | December 13, 2008 9:45 PM | Report abuse

what a hard fought win !! ... and on second of back to back nights too !! ... WAY TO GO CAPS !!! Varlamov sure looked good ... the guys really had to dig down deep there at the end to find the energy to finish it

*** @rachel .. i agree ... lol ... you should say "Nylander sucks" more often ... :D

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 9:46 PM | Report abuse

Oh, that was sweet. It's easy to see what Varlamov is going to be (although he was no slouch in his first NHL game).

I love how he showed no emotion at all...until the final bell.

Posted by: jen-s | December 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Boy, I knew we could win this, but I thought that Varlamov would just be OK and that our strong offensive presence with win it by making it a high scoring game. I never dreamed it would be 2-1. That's some good stuff. Go Caps!

I'm outta here - night, all!

Posted by: --Boo-- | December 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

NHL Network blackout is over, for those on FiOS. My first time ever seeing HNIC in HD. And my god, Don Cherry's suit! Holy moly!

Posted by: GregAnnapolis | December 13, 2008 9:47 PM | Report abuse

canes get 1 point, but now i see the panthers are the ones we need to watch now

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Now, for legitimate content.

1) UNBELIEVABLE debut from Var-LA-mov. Stood on his head as the Caps fell into quicksand half way through the third period.

2) This was one of those true gut-check, tough as nails, playoff-type games. And Nylander and the rest of the gang came through! The Caps will look back at this one for sure.

3) Just as I was going to agree that Sloan is quickly running out of NHL juice seemingly, he gets hurt -- leaving us with practically four D-men as Green had NO gas left by the third (back-to-back games after missing a month). Alzner and Jurcina come up big down the stretch and Juice gets one of the assists. phenomenal.

4) HORRENDOUS OFFICIATING

5) Pray for Backie and Feds. Geez. It's just incredible.

Posted by: MTB7 | December 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Green had a bad game.

Varlamov had a great game.

What in the world happened to Backstrom?

Three straight over the vicious Northeast Division.

Next up: @Islanders Tuesday on Versus. Who starts in goal?

BTW, another comment from HNIC announcers: Close-up on Alzner and they say, "This is just. He is NEVER going back to the minors."

Trade Theo and you can keep Alzner and Varly.

Ha! And I posted a day or so ago that Varlamov might be, possibly, the playoff goalie for this year, and several jumped in with, "No way is he ready this year."

He looked as ready as that steak I had for dinner.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

@MTB7

Dude I love Greenie but if you didnt see some of his not so stellar moments tonight..you are love blind

Posted by: ralCapsFan | December 13, 2008 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Ottawa beat Tampa 2-0. Martin St Louis took stick/puck off face towards end of game. Had to be helped off ice. hard to see from replay what actually struck his face.

Posted by: jg284481-5-37 | December 13, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

Where are the Green haters now?? Eat crow.

Posted by: MTB7 | December 13, 2008 9:50 PM | Report abuse

McPhee needs to find a way to send Jose Threeormore down to Hershey! ;)

Posted by: puckman | December 13, 2008 9:51 PM | Report abuse

The Habs were really dirty tonight, I usually like physical plays but not like tonight. Maybe because they missed so many players that it was their only chance?

But I loved how the Caps didn't back off the fights. Especially OVI, he never hesitated one nanosecond - nor whined for all the beating he was taking.

Refs were terrible. Terrible. Nearly gave the game away.

Posted by: mauree | December 13, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Hey who said we want three-or-more?

Posted by: HBFan | December 13, 2008 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Now HNIC is talking about how bad Tampa is. Everyone on this blog said Tampa would stink up the joint this year. Evidently they've stopped paying Melrose cuz he said he hopes the team never wins another game.

Greg/Annapolis is right: Don Cherry's suit is uglier than Tim Hunter's nose.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 13, 2008 9:53 PM | Report abuse

@GregAnnapolis

Im outside DC area so I had to see Don Cherry's suit twice !

Posted by: jg284481-5-37 | December 13, 2008 9:54 PM | Report abuse

@ jg ... Martin St. Loius got hit in the face by the linesman's scate blade as he stumbled off the faceoff ... it looked pretty ugly ... ouch !@!

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 9:55 PM | Report abuse

I just turned to the NHL Network and saw what you guys were saying about Don Cherry and his drobe. All I can say is, &%@!*&

Jeezz oh mighty, just obnoxious.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | December 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

@ralCapsfan:

it's one thing for, as you point out, a guy to have a tough night but it's another thing for some of these jokers to suggest that Green isn't worth discussion as a top D-man in this league regardless of nights like this one. they'd be embarrased by anyone who knew what he or she was talking about if they had to sit there and have a face to face discussion about green so instead they just send off pot shots into the message board ether knowing they don't have to actually see anyone face-to-face and explain their worthless arguments.

My reaction to this is just a situation of finally reaching the boiling point of having to sift through some of the total jokers who tend to only post on this board when the Caps are on their heels...shameful.

Posted by: MTB7 | December 13, 2008 9:56 PM | Report abuse

8:00 to go in the 2nd period...Bears losing 3-1

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Ok, now it's 4-1

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

PK was on the money, tonight.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 9:58 PM | Report abuse

@elicia.

Great point. our PK was simply OUTSTANDING.

I just can't say enough about this win, Varlamov on out.

Posted by: MTB7 | December 13, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

This team has more of that intangible fight in them than I've ever seen in a Caps team. We're injury depleted, using an AHL goaltender, out both of our top two centers, and STILL manage to pull out a win.

These are the kind of games that show whether you deserve to go deep into the playoffs. This team does.

That being said, my best wishes to Feds, Backs, Sloan, Theo, Flash, Fehr, Schultz, and Erskine - heal up soon...

Posted by: Raber | December 13, 2008 9:59 PM | Report abuse

WOW! Varlamov saved 32/33 for one HELL of a save percentage. I asked where the heck Backstrom was when I saw the line change-up, but I missed that he wasn't on the ice at ALL until just now. Yikes! PLEASE BE OK! PLEASE BE OK! PLEASE BE OK!!!

Fedorov is out again?! Gods... and Sloan? I know they said he was limping... hopefully it's not serious, for any of them.

Wow.

But Varlamov was HOT tonight. Wow, was he ever! I knew he was good; I didn't expect him to be THIS good. Holy freaking cowbell! 32/33 for .970? WOW!

Posted by: irockthered | December 13, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

but now i see the panthers are the ones we need to watch now

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2008 9:48 PM
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Not on a 6 point lead and giving a game up. The one to watch now is being 3 points back of the Rangers with 2 games in hand for the 2 seed.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:00 PM | Report abuse

Bears gave up 3 goals in two minutes -- what happened?

Posted by: uncatim | December 13, 2008 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@MTB7

Dude, I totally understand where you are coming from. By no means were my comments backing any of the haters bashing Greenie (that's just plain silly...he's one of the premier offensive Dmen in the league). I just wanted to point out that he seemed to be trying to hard tonight (as he has a couple times previously this season).

At the end of the day..SOOOO glad he is on our squad!

Posted by: ralCapsFan | December 13, 2008 10:02 PM | Report abuse

I must say, refs was less than subpar, tonight. I do think Caps deserved most of their penalties, but refs let Montreal get away with a lot.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@obx13

Thanks for update on St Louis. CBC just interviewed Rick Tocchet (Tampa coach) and he said it was a gash.

Posted by: jg284481-5-37 | December 13, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

Gad, now Lisa Hillary is even mispronouncing Varly's name!

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 10:03 PM | Report abuse

And yes, the Habs played a very very dirty game of hockey, and the referees were absolutely blind. Buncha...!

Wow, just saw the Laich fight for the first time - I was listening to the fight on radio en route to my flat. Wow. Impressive!

And Giroux! Wow, great breakaway. It would have been great if he'd gotten that in, but the game winner by Nylander was incredible! :-D

Posted by: irockthered | December 13, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

just a comment on Green ( who i really think is great ) ... i love his game and his youth and his offense ... but let's face it gang ... you all sound either all for him or all against him ... he has some weakness in his defensive zone coverage at times ... but this will improve as he matures ... he is a young gun that loves to stimulate the action out there ... i do believe he needs to bear down some in his own zone and remember he IS a defensman after all ... lol ... but be fair ... i know it's hard to remember he is still learning and it's the coaches' jobs to keep reminding him to concentrate in his end ... as with the rest of the team ... let's remember ... they are young ... learning fast ... and heading in a great direction ... let's don't expect so much so fast ... be patient and ENJOY the growing process ... ALL the young guys are so much fun to watch ... both in DC and in Hershey ... so relax ... we should have ear to ear grins after this one ... YEAH CAPS !!!

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

That's a segue they should have left alone.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:05 PM | Report abuse

5-1 Houston. Listening to Walton, it's not Machesney that's the problem. It's bad defense and stupid penalties. And as I type this it's now 6-1 with 3 minutes left in the 2nd. This is getting ugly.

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 10:07 PM | Report abuse

off topic, but is it spelled "Varley" or "Varly"?

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Come on, Bears, pull it out!

Posted by: irockthered | December 13, 2008 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow, who knew Varlamov could play :)

Hate to say it, but I told you so. First star in Montreal on Hockey Night in Canada! Not too shabby, not too shabby!

What a great win! This team is just so likable it's unbelievable. They way they celebrated the winning goal and the way they all mobbed Varly after the game. What a bunch of great guys!

It was funny to see Bruce trying to settle them down when Nylander scored yelling that there were still 2 and a half minutes to go. That was hilarious.

The injuries are not so funny though. Fedorov and Sloan might have gotten reinjured. Now Backie too? Jesus, what did they do to deserve this?

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

@elicea: not sure. I've never seen it officially in print.

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

Varlamov: jittery in first period, good in second period, great in third period. What a way to grow up in the NHL!!!
Very impressive - the guy is cat-like in goal.
Good bye JT.

Posted by: johnbear1 | December 13, 2008 10:10 PM | Report abuse

RE Hershey

Considering they went 11 straight without losing, I'm not too worried about them losing two in a row.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

Check out this article on Ovie's popularity vs. Dead Wood.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nhl/rumors/post/Ovechkin-more-popular-than-Crosby-?urn=nhl,128770

Posted by: r4e11 | December 13, 2008 10:11 PM | Report abuse

@obx13

Great post...totally agree (and the patience needs to come from me!)

Posted by: ralCapsFan | December 13, 2008 10:12 PM | Report abuse

just a comment on Green ( who i really think is great ) ... i love his game and his youth and his offense ... but let's face it gang ... you all sound either all for him or all against him ... he has some weakness in his defensive zone coverage at times ... but this will improve as he matures ... he is a young gun that loves to stimulate the action out there ... i do believe he needs to bear down some in his own zone and remember he IS a defensman after all ... lol ... but be fair ... i know it's hard to remember he is still learning and it's the coaches' jobs to keep reminding him to concentrate in his end ... as with the rest of the team ... let's remember ... they are young ... learning fast ... and heading in a great direction ... let's don't expect so much so fast ... be patient and ENJOY the growing process ... ALL the young guys are so much fun to watch ... both in DC and in Hershey ... so relax ... we should have ear to ear grins after this one ... YEAH CAPS !!!

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 10:05 PM
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Totally agree!

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Fantastic game Var-LA-mov!!!!
(adios Jose .......)

And what's the deal with Locker and Lisa Hillary's mispronunciation??

Posted by: labyrinth59 | December 13, 2008 10:16 PM | Report abuse

I was floating around TSN, reading the article on tonight's win, and I happen to come across a comment that made me laugh! Anyways, here's the comment:

The Refs were totally for Washington tonight. How many calls did the Caps get away with? And how lucky were they? It should have been at least 6-1 Montreal but they couldnt get a break all night. In my books, this was 2 points for the Habs tonight. Outshot, outhit, outplayed, outhustled the Caps tonight.

yes, it was a by a Habs fan.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Let's hear it for the Caps - Ovie and Semin mostly - who never let the Habs goalie get off the ice until there was like ten seconds left. And the Caps were playing 2nd in two nights after travel with a depleted team.

Now Edm and Vancouver are on. They said it was 25 below in Edmonton. Didn't say if it was F or C. And I was complaining earlier today since I couldn't go the beach (it was a brutally cold 65 here).

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 13, 2008 10:18 PM | Report abuse

Now Edm and Vancouver are on.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 13, 2008 10:18 PM
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Stortini and Strudwick got into a good scrap just a minute ago, so there's that.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

WOW!!! Simeon Varlamov is the REAL deal!! I hereby start a petition for the Capitals to severe all contractual ties to Jose Crapodore who has a sore hip flexor and can't dress to backup when Brent Johnson has an obvious hip injury and throws up the stone wall against Ottawa! Furthermore, I assign Brent Johnson the new number 1 netminder in Washington and promote Simeon Varlamov to the "big" team to serve as the backup.

Ok, in all seriousness though the future of this Capitals team is extremely bright but I believe that right now is even brighter! What a game, great fight and determination shown by the boys. What goaltending and overall what a way to kick a team when they are down. You know your hockey team sucks when you lose to the Tampa Bay Lightning at home!

3 cheers to Varlamov and the boys!! Welcome to the team young man!

Posted by: mlewis31 | December 13, 2008 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@elicia, about Hershey losing:

Just like the Caps needed Greenie and Feds and Semin back in the lineup, the Bears need Alzner and Sloan and yes, Varlamov. They pieced together that 11-game winning streak with a bunch of ECHLers who were playing more on adrenaline than skill and it was only a matter of time till reality set in. When the Caps get healthy, the Bears will get back on track, and I hope it doesn't take too long.

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@ ralCapsFan ... thanks for the compliment

@ rachel ... thanks to you too

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@Tess

Very true...

As for getting healthy, I think it'll take a little bit more time, considering those who left the game, early tonight. I hope that's not the case, though.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Green did NOT play well tonight -- out of position, poor in front of the net, useless along the boards, telegraphs every slow pass, can't get the puck out, coughed up the puck a few times, couldn't keep the puck in Mtl. zone, gets beat as he was too slow & takes a hooking penalty, gets caught again on the PP. Missed the check (hit the boards)on Dagostini & he almost scored. Green again behind the play and takes a slashing penalty. Alzner & Jurcina miscommunicated several times. Alzner had major difficulty taking the puck away along the boards & didn't really show up until the last period. Got caught a couple of times & offence had to rescue. Poti was good on the PK, but fanned on a clearing attempt which almost cost them. Also came off the bench too soon & team got a too many men on the ice penalty. Also had trouble clearing the puck in the 3rd. Jurcina fairly invisible but a couple of good plays. Morrison had a couple of good hits & a good save 1 on 1, but struggled big time along the boards & in front of the net. Sloan was definitely the best D-man on the ice tonight until he got hurt. Great on the PK, getting the puck out of the zone, great along the boards even clearing the puck against two Mtl. players, moved Lapierre to the boards agressively so no shot, took the puck & cleared, took out guys in front of the net, poke checked, kept the puck in the Mtl. zone, got run by Begin but still cleared the puck, crisp, on-the-mark passes, good hits along boards. Obviously the announcers thought SLOAN played GREAT too. Varlamov was superb! 3rd period Wash. was outplayed but was very happy for Nylander getting the winning goal!

Posted by: gogetem | December 13, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I watched the game on HNIC and I am not a Don Cheery fan, but he gave the caps some props before the game.They were showing the Caps entering the building from the bus. They looked to the hilt, nice suits,ties, looked professional. Then they showed the Tampa players coming into Ottawa, looking like "thugs".
Cherry went on to say the caps looked and acted like first class ,first place players.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | December 13, 2008 10:26 PM | Report abuse

I think all of these Theodore and Varlomov comments might be jumping the gun a bit...not saying you will be proved wrong...but its one game.

Posted by: ph0082 | December 13, 2008 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Stortini and Hordichuk got into a good scrap just a minute ago, so there's that.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:20 PM

/fixed, but Strudwick and Davison just got into a scrap also, and both goalies have taken some bumps.

Nothing like 4 fighting majors in the first 10 minutes of a game, should be fun.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:28 PM | Report abuse

waiting for updates on the injured :( please please please let it be nothing serious

Posted by: mauree | December 13, 2008 10:29 PM | Report abuse

(Green)"Missed the check (hit the boards)on Dagostini & he almost scored"..Gogetem, that was Sloan, not Green, wasn't it?

Posted by: ph0082 | December 13, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

I think all of these Theodore and Varlomov comments might be jumping the gun a bit...not saying you will be proved wrong...but its one game.

Posted by: ph0082 | December 13, 2008 10:27 PM
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Good luck with that in this room man.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:30 PM | Report abuse

Just browsed through all the Green bashing. And then you wonder why I get pissed off and call some people idiots. The guy was playing in the 2nd of back to back games, still at 90% after missing weeks with an injury... and had a great game last night. Unbelievable. Well, at least I can add more people to my list who's posts I can skip in the future.

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BTW, where's the clown who kept arguing with me about Varlamov all day? Like I said before instead of arguing with someone who knows what they're talking about and calling them delusional keep your trap shut and your ears peeled instead of talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about. Might learn something. Although I doubt it. Anyhoo... Hope the crow you ate for supper tasted good.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 10:35 PM | Report abuse

@ph0082

I agree, but you can't not be excited about this kid after seeing his performance tonight.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:36 PM | Report abuse

Just got back from watching the game at a friend's place. Kind of surreal watching the first on the web, most of the second on the radio, and the end of the second and most of the third on television. It gave me an appreciation of the different styles, and I'm finding that I don't mind he radio as much as I used to.

Thoughts:

- refing atrocious
- Varlamov fantastic - can we keep him Daddy GM?
- Locker needs to learn how to pronounce Varlamov's name
- hope our injured are okay :( Backis and Feds down at the same time = lose
- was on a chat channel in the first and the habs fans were whining about their goalie situation after Backstrom's goal. I told them I as a Caps fan didn't want to hear it after last night :)
- crashing the net = win. Right Nylander?
- Nylander's goal celebration was hilarious :D
- some shaky D and Varlamov was getting peppered some in the third, but he handled it like a champ.
- Habs fans whine a lot :(

Overall - we finally swept a back-to-back! HOORAY CAPS! Here's to our two points, a fantastic NHL debut, and to our injured healing quickly. The future's so bright I think I need a pair of shades.


Posted by: kittypawz | December 13, 2008 10:37 PM | Report abuse

@ ph0082

Yes, that was Sloan. I guess some of these Green bashing ignoramuses don't let a little thing like facts get in their way. Or they know so little that they can't even tell Sloan apart from Green. BTW, I don't have anything against Sloan, but if anyone on D had a really bad game tonight it was him.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

Young Varlamov was awesume tonight. Don't get all out of whack when JT is ready to come back and they send him back to Hershey.I know Bruce, and He will want JT back in the fold. They want Varlamov to play ALOT in hershey.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | December 13, 2008 10:39 PM | Report abuse

St. Louis was cut by referee's skate as referee fell forward and did a figure skating move with backstretched pointed toe.

Didn't look closely this game, but Poti has been generally outstanding before and after his injury. Puck moving and body use a step above the rest. May be able to see fault or mistakes, but big picture is excellence.

Nylanders puck w/o passing drives me as crazy as others. At end of the game, one could see how not passing and puck control killed time. Excessive puck control in our end, though led to him losing it on poke checks. He also passed up passes to Semin and OV where the young guns had open nets and open lanes to receive passes.

Posted by: fehrrocks | December 13, 2008 10:40 PM | Report abuse

BTW, where's the clown who kept arguing with me about Varlamov all day? Like I said before instead of arguing with someone who knows what they're talking about and calling them delusional keep your trap shut and your ears peeled instead of talking out of your ass about things you know nothing about. Might learn something. Although I doubt it. Anyhoo... Hope the crow you ate for supper tasted good.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 10:35 PM
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God if you weren't so predictable you'd be pathetic.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Elicea, Of course I am excited. But I am not ready to hand him the starting job and give him a statue at Verizon. Nor am I ready to write off Jose.

Posted by: ph0082 | December 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@ kittypawz

Great post! (:

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:41 PM | Report abuse

@ ph0082

I am not either. I still want to give Theo the chance to prove himself, as well.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Ranndino, And I think that dude praised Sloan in the post that he bashed Green for a play Sloan made...I am too lazy to go up and read that garbage against to make sure, but I think he/she did.

Posted by: ph0082 | December 13, 2008 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@ Capsfannmiss

Cherry is a pompous moron. That whole thing about the Caps players looking professional while Tampa and Ottawa players looked like thugs was idiotic. The only difference in the way they were dressed is that the Tampa and Ottawa players were wearing hats. Not to mention that Don should be the last person in the world to give anyone tips on how to dress. I'm not sure how anyone can talk about how tough players are wearing suits that are as flamboyantly gay as his are (nothing against gay people, btw).

Also, you must've missed the part where he said that Ovechkin is gonna get his one day for running people after the hit Alex made that started a little fracas. Then later he was talking about some "good ol' Canadian boy" who doesn't celebrate his goals by jumping into the glass like this was something to aspire to. Whatever. The only reason Don hates Ovechkin is because he's a xenophobic pig. The only thing wrong with Alex is that he's Russian. Had he been Canadian and played exactly the same way Don would be absolutely in love with him.

Every time he talks about Ovechkin he cringes if he has to squeeze out anything remotely positive. Also, maybe some of you are seeing him for the first or second time. I remember well all his comments about European players, and Russians in particular over the past decade. Makes me wanna throw a brick at his stupid head every time I see him. If it were up to him the NHL would be 100% made up "good ol' Canadian boys" regardless of skill level.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 10:49 PM | Report abuse

I wish Tarik would hurry up with that update!!

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 10:50 PM | Report abuse

So what's the update on Feds and Backie???? WE NEED AN UPDATE!!! (please)

Posted by: DannyBoy1975 | December 13, 2008 10:53 PM | Report abuse

I realized Backstrom was missing after his power play nullifying penalty. I assumed Bruce had benched him for a couple shifts. Hope its not too bad.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | December 13, 2008 10:54 PM | Report abuse

*** has a feeling ranndino would like to "throw a brick" at lots of people's head ... lol ... ***

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

That was another great hockey game. II read the TSN comments and had to chuckle to myself, too. That game really could have been called a lot tighter, but the refs mostly let them play. We could argue over it, but there were non-calls on both sides and the ones they did call had to be called.

Varlamov played a really nice game tonight and earned the #1 Star. Halak should have been given #2. They both played great games.

Posted by: Greg S. | December 13, 2008 10:56 PM | Report abuse

@elicea: Thanks :)

@ranndino and Section117: For G-d's sake, just whip 'em out already. I've got a measuring tape, because I'm tired of it. I tried to say this gently and good-naturedly earlier today, and it didn't work, so it's time to be rude.

It's not about how much you know about the game - I had a horrid feeling about this game and I was wrong. I'll take my crow in a balsamic reduction, please, and I will be wrong about every game this season with a cheerful heart if it means we have a shot at Lord Stanley's Cup. Just chill. Nobody cares if you're a hotshot, so will you knock it off with the "nyah nyah nyah nyah nyah" crap already?

Posted by: kittypawz | December 13, 2008 10:57 PM | Report abuse

@ Section 117

God if you weren't so predictable you'd be pathetic.

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That doesn't even make sense. Back to English 101 for you.

What's pathetic is that you can't even admit to being wrong. That is indeed predictable. So far you've been wrong on every single point you've made here, but that somehow doesn't prevent you from keeping your know-it-all attitude and calling people who actually know what they're talking about names.

BTW, I fully realize that this was just 1 game, but I also am 100% sure that had Varlamov sucked tonight you'd be the 1st flying in here on your high horse and calling me a moron for saying that his NHL ready. So yeah, I couldn't pass up a chance to stuff it down your throat. Varlamov couldn't possibly have made the case of you being wrong any better. Thanks Simeon.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Watched the game with my uncle from Montreal, who happened to be visiting my folks. I'd forgotten how fun it is to watch a game with somebody cheering for the other team and getting some good natured chirping in. Varly's glove is gold, but he does make me a bit nervous. Hoping for good news on our injured guys!
Let's go Caps!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | December 13, 2008 10:58 PM | Report abuse

If you watched the game & listened to the announcers at all you'd know that GREEN missed the first check & hit himself into the boards. Green is NUMBER 52. Sloan also attempted to hip check a guy along the boards a few shifts later, got a little piece of him but hit the boards as well. SLOAN is NUMBER 89. Get your glasses checked. I WASN'T bashing Green or anyone else, just saying what other people have already said on this board ... Green did not play well ... only I recorded why. Interesting how some of you guys really do BASH players & can't tell the difference between someone who's actually watched the game and observed both the good plays & errors. Green played well lastnight but not tonight. So what? Those that make $4,000,000 and have played well ALSO have OFF GAMES. And nobody can tell me or the viewers that Green had a great game tonight.

Posted by: gogetem | December 13, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

Read most of the posts (my ADD makes it difficult to read the longer ones...) and have a few comments:

Green is still young, still learning and just got back on the ice.

Varlamov indeed had a wonderful game, but lets not annoint him Patrick Roy just yet.

For all the heartache that has been suffered during the past few years, GMGM has done a wonderful job accruing talent. It seems like everyone who comes in from Hershey contributes.

Coach BB is the proverbial diamond in the rough and is the perfect coach for this team.

Posted by: TimDz | December 13, 2008 11:00 PM | Report abuse

kittypaws: You're talking to a brick wall, or maybe a pair of them.

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 11:02 PM | Report abuse

@ kittypawz

I'll knock it off when people stop talking out of their ass and assuming that the hot air they're letting out is a fact that should not be questioned, and on top of it calling anyone who disagrees with them a moron. I didn't start this. In fact, for a long time I was posting without attacking anyone personally. Then I got people like brainless idiot jumping on me all the damn time. And the fact that he's always wrong doesn't seem to deter him.

Anyway, you're right. I should just ignore the idiots and go back to intelligent hockey commentary responding only to people who exhibit some knowledge of the game.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 11:05 PM | Report abuse

@ kittypawz ... hear hear !! ... been waiting for you to set them straight ( and was hoping it would be soon ) ... lol ... it seems you are the only one here they both seem to respect ( and with good reason ) ... i have been reading this post a long time and finally decided to join in because of the generally good nature and great information and varied opinions i am exposed to ... but i have to say ... it is really wearing when guys like that use the forum to display their incredible lacking self-esteems ... thanks for your attempt at the "gentle approach" ... but i'm afraid that just doesn't work with guys that have such needs ... so ... GO GET 'EM GIRL ... and to ranndino and 117 ... come on guys ... give us a break ... thanks kitty ... :D

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:06 PM | Report abuse

STOP ARGUING and enjoy the win...

Where is TARIKS Game NOTES

Posted by: DCSPORTS | December 13, 2008 11:08 PM | Report abuse

kittypaws: You're talking to a brick wall, or maybe a pair of them.

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 11:02 PM

Probably, but the dicksizing is getting old. I'm still pleased as punch over having called the Nylander/Kozlov combo, but I'd get my s*** jumped if I was to ever brag about it in here. Besides, I'm not all that, and well I know it. Some of the individual assessments still go over my head, though I'm getting better at it steadily as I listen to and watch more games.

Hey, we got two points, Varlamov was a beast out there, we'll get our injured back quickly (fingers crossed) and we're above both the Flyers and the Pens in the league standings.

Like I said, future is so bright I gotta wear shades.

Posted by: kittypawz | December 13, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Fisking v2.0

What's pathetic is that you can't even admit to being wrong. That is indeed predictable. So far you've been wrong on every single point you've made here, but that somehow doesn't prevent you from keeping your know-it-all attitude and calling people who actually know what they're talking about names.

Second point first; as I said two days ago (before you disappeared off the grid) I call people names who deserve them, like wishing for increased severity on an injured player, etc.

And re: the Varlamov discussion, what am I wrong about? Again, from before the game today, my assertion then, as it is now, is that he's not going to pull a Ken Dryden, (much as I'd love to be surprised by that), something that you even conceded to.

BTW, I fully realize that this was just 1 game, but I also am 100% sure that had Varlamov sucked tonight you'd be the 1st flying in here on your high horse and calling me a moron for saying that his NHL ready.

Actually, I wouldn't, because I don't get too high on the highs and too low on the lows on games played in DECEMBER, with a rare exception.

So yeah, I couldn't pass up a chance to stuff it down your throat. Varlamov couldn't possibly have made the case of you being wrong any better. Thanks Simeon.

So again, what am I wrong about? Do me a favor and read the post from the last thread at 5:03 today, and try to construe anything about me saying he was going to fail.

And to wrap up with something I actually said 6 hours ago:

"I’d hope a calm, rational, measured response from you would be in order, but I presume we’ll either see you:

a) After the game (if it’s a win), saying how you should be running the team or some other crazed notion.


Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 11:11 PM | Report abuse

yes, where are the game notes?

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

@ranndino ... that would be very much appreciated ... just go back to intelligent commentary ... if you really are the better man ... you will let it go and enjoy this forum for what it is ... thanks for at least recognizing and commenting that you shouldn't be doing it

@ Section117 ... if he gives it up ... will you ? ... come on guys ... give it a rest

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:12 PM | Report abuse

"Varlamov indeed had a wonderful game, but lets not annoint him Patrick Roy just yet." -TimDz

Did anyone see the clip of Roy's first game in the NHL when he was 20 they showed during the game? He looked extremely skilled but a little bit sloppy/made a few bad decisions; much like Varley played. btw - how old is Varley?

Posted by: PonMan | December 13, 2008 11:14 PM | Report abuse

All right, back to hockey. This VAN @ EDM game on HNIC is quite a rough and tumble affair. Another fight. 3rd of the game already! Or maybe even 4th. I've lost count. And they haven't even played half the game yet!

@tess2201

I'm no brick wall. I should just ignore comments by those who fit that description like I used to do for months until recently. Some of the idiocy flowing like a river on here just started getting to me.

I'm gonna start now. Too bad that unlike a well designed forum I can't just place some names on an ignore list so that I don't even have to subjected to reading the rubbish they post.

There's no point addressing people who thought that Green and Semin were faking injuries. That really is like talking to a brick wall.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

@PonMan

he's 20

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Ranndino: Good points about Cherry and his general hatred for Europeans. That Good Old Canadian Boy sh*t is also getting old.

He's a major gasbag and I usually end up wanting to throw something at the TV when he talks. BUT, the line about the Tampa players looking like thugs who would steal your hubcaps, and singling out Meszaros when he was talking to his buddy as looking like 2 guys who were in love with each other, was hilarious.

Posted by: 202-206 | December 13, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Tarik seems to be taking the night off tonight. So I don't think I'll stay up and wait for his game notes.

Posted by: DannyBoy1975 | December 13, 2008 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@PonMan: Just to let you know, I'm definately not poo-pooing Varlamov. Just looking at things in a balanced manner. At his age, he is still learning.

You gotta love the Pipeline of Players coming in from Hershey though.

Posted by: TimDz | December 13, 2008 11:19 PM | Report abuse

@ Section117 ... if he gives it up ... will you ? ... come on guys ... give it a rest

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:12 PM
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Hey, I thought he and I had an honest discussion going 2 days ago, but he didn't respond to 2 questions that were exclusively based to the game, and he comes back today and claims he's the second coming of Jack Button, David Poile or any other name you can think of. I'll back down when he stops selectively engaging in discussion.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Bears game is finally over. Houston wins 6-1.

ranndino: On this forum, like in everyday life, there are many reasonable people and then there are those who are full of sh*t. When you read comments from those people, just roll your eyes, shake your head and move on. It's not worth the energy of arguing with them.

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2008 11:23 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if anyone has talked about it, but did anyone else see the part where a Habs fan willingly gave the [Varlamov's first game winning] puck back to Tom Poti after someone had thrown it over the glass? I thought that was very classy, and I wanted to throw a thanks to that fan.

Posted by: elicea | December 13, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

@ Section117 ... well it's certainly up to you ... if you enjoy the conflict ... but it seems to me ... if you really mean what you say ... and have no respect or use for his comments ... then there is really no reason to read them or respond to them ... maybe just some simple self-editing of his posts would work ... i happen to value all the diverse points of view ... and while i don't care much for negative comments, i just take them for whatever value they ahve to me ... if they have no value ... i tend to skip the posts by those people ... anyway ... just a thought on how you might get out of the negative cycle ... after all ... we are all Caps fans ... aren't we?

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Just got done watching the game on the DVR. Wow, that had a playoff atmosphere. I noticed Backstrom missing after his penalty but assumed the same a sombreroguy. Certainly hope he'll be OK.

I see a lot you all over Green...the man just jumped back into the best league in the world after being out for a couple of weeks, of course he's going to miss some checks. You have to take the good with the bad with a young gunslinger. Still glad he's back.

Varmalov, all I can say is wow. He flopped a couple of times but really looked confident. There is obviously no way for us to get rid of Theodore. Would you want us to take him if another team put him on waivers right now? He's a financial burden we'll just have to deal with. Maybe Varmalov's performance will push him even more because now he looks to be 3 deep in the organization. Of course that was only 1 for Varmalov, has to bag a few more before he can be considered an NHL netminder.

All things considered, including the 7 penalties, this was a great road win.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 13, 2008 11:29 PM | Report abuse

@ elicia ... very nice of you to notice that ... that sounds like it WAS a very classy move

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

Yes Hershey is definitely getting the job done for us. The Caps front office, including Ted, deserve a lot of credit for creating a machine that produces the caliber of hockey player that there seems to be an endless supply of.

Posted by: PonMan | December 13, 2008 11:30 PM | Report abuse

WAIT !!!! ... does that mean not ALL Habs fans suck ??? ... lol

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:31 PM | Report abuse

Joe B and Craig mentioned that and Poti gave the van his stick in exchange for Varlamov's puck. That's really cool that Poti started looking for the puck right away, that the Habs fan knows the importance of that sovenir to Varlamov, and that Poti realized the fan should get something in exchange.

Gotta hit the sack and kind of bummed that there aren't any injury updates yet.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 13, 2008 11:34 PM | Report abuse

@ obx13

Don't project. You don't know me personally. I have no issues with self esteem and if you were to go through my posts over the last few months 90% of them were intelligent commentary on the game I love. Most of it right on as was proven later.

However, I'm only human. It's all good for all of you to pretend like you're above the fray when no one attacks your personally. Anyway, I'm done with that guy. I realize perfectly well that no one wants to read long posts by two guys calling each other names. It's polluting the board. Not to mention that it's a complete waste of my time. I have better things to do than trying to prove something to a tree stump.

@ Section 117

Unlike you I have other things to do that hang out here 24/7 so I didn't see your reply in the previous thread.

I would just like to remind you that this whole thing started when you called me a moron for no reason whatsoever. You just picked a sentence of a bit of my analysis and proceeded to call it moronic when I wasn't even talking to you. And your reason for calling it such was truly moronic and completely illogical. Somehow the fact that Kolzig is 6 years older than Theo made my statement that Kolzig last year and Theo this year were both way under par for what's expected out of an NHL starter.

I'm not some dumb kid that posts 4 word completely incoherent replies on YT. People who talk to me respectfully get rational, measured, highly respectful responses (this is proven by months of my comments on here). When you start off by calling someone a moron that tends to get the discussion into the toilet very quickly. To pretend later like you're the innocent one is disingenuous at best.

Anyway, we're done. I'm sorry that you dragged me down to your level. A piece of advice for you though. If you wanna be treated with respect you should refrain from starting a conversation with someone you don't know by calling them a moron.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 11:35 PM | Report abuse

@ fanohock1

You're 100% correct in your analysis of everything. From the response to the Green bashers to our goalie situation. Unfortunately, there's no way to get rid of Theo at this point because his subpar play and the amount of money he makes no team would even pick him up off the waiver wire, let alone trade anyone for him.

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Wow, Sheldon Souray just took 2 Canucks down with 1 shot. Glanced of Burrows and then hit Bieksa in the side of the face. That guy has some cannon.

One correction though. It's Var-la-mov. Please. Not Varmalov, not Varlomov... Var-la-mov. Think of it as LA being in the middle of his name :)

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 11:45 PM | Report abuse

we are all Caps fans ... aren't we?

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:28 PM
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What office are YOU running for (I kid, BTW)

Sorry, I can't help it, but if we are ALL fans of the team, as you say, then some of us shouldn't portray ourselves as messianic. When you introduce yourself to a thread with "OK, so let's have a very brief summary of how many times I was right," then yeah, that type of attitude deserves to be checked.

Look, check out the last thread and check out my post at 5:02-03. Was it snarky? Yeah a little, but it also was rebutting misinterpretations of my position and asking genuine questions to gather opinion. The subject of that response says nothing, doesn't reply, and comes in after the result and says essentially "nanny nanny".

Want me to tell you how this will play out, much as I hate to say? He'll pop in and out of here as he chooses to say he's the wonderful wizard, and I'll take delight in chasing him out or into bouts of Hoffa-esque limbo until he actually wants to start talking about, you know, hockey, with EVERYONE in here.

And that slap shot hurt.

Posted by: Section117 | December 13, 2008 11:47 PM | Report abuse

@ ranndino ... sorry for the "self-esteem comment ... it's simply an objective observation ... i don't have to know you personally to recognize it when i see it ... constant self-promoting is a classic symptom of low self-esteem ... if it's not true ... then simply let it go ... as you have said many times you are going to ... i do appreciate your admission that you are "polluting the board" and hope you will take this input as it is intended ... an impartial observer letting you know the way you are "projecting" yourself to the rest of us ... you can justify your actions all you want ... but it won't make us think any differently ... stopping the behavior will go a lot farther in accomplishing your mission of getting respect for the information you provide ( as kittypawz tried to tell you several times ) ... i happen to think you provide a lot of great information and commentary ... but i would enjoy it a whole lot more if you would eliminate the negative and self-promoting stuff too ... i hope you take this in the spirit it is intended ... in fact ... your reaction will kind of prove to all of us who you really are ... so give it some thought and try to realize ... we value your information ... not your "pollution" ... so again ... sorry for the "self-esteem" thing ... if it's not so ... then let's see a change ... you're right ... don't waste your time

Posted by: obx13 | December 13, 2008 11:55 PM | Report abuse

@ tess2201

ranndino: On this forum, like in everyday life, there are many reasonable people and then there are those who are full of sh*t. When you read comments from those people, just roll your eyes, shake your head and move on. It's not worth the energy of arguing with them.

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Agree 100%. Done with the Section117 guy. He can't even seem to comprehend that I can't possibly keep up with every one of his replies and thinks that I have some kind of an evil plan to selectively respond. Whatever.

I'll repeat one more time. Since this isn't setup like a forum and has no tools of any kind to help keep track of threads and comments it's darn near impossible and very time consuming to keep track of old threads. I'm sure I've missed tons of replies to me, but it's in no way intentional. I'd be here 20 hours out of every day if I were to attempt to not miss anything.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 11:57 PM | Report abuse

Just when you thought it couldn't get any better:

You just picked a sentence of a bit of my analysis and proceeded to call it moronic when I wasn't even talking to you.

The argument equation was silly then, and is silly now. Again, equating 60 to a broken down Kolzig has no basis for comparison, etc.

And your reason for calling it such was truly moronic and completely illogical. Somehow the fact that Kolzig is 6 years older than Theo made my statement that Kolzig last year and Theo this year were both way under par for what's expected out of an NHL starter.

You mean like Chris Osgood and Marty Turco?

I'm not some dumb kid that posts 4 word completely incoherent replies on YT.

Didn't say you were.

People who talk to me respectfully get rational, measured, highly respectful responses (this is proven by months of my comments on here). When you start off by calling someone a moron that tends to get the discussion into the toilet very quickly. To pretend later like you're the innocent one is disingenuous at best.

Apparently you've re-read the beginning of all this (thank goodness), and it started by insulting the argument, not the person making it. There's a difference.

Anyway, we're done. I'm sorry that you dragged me down to your level. A piece of advice for you though. If you wanna be treated with respect you should refrain from starting a conversation with someone you don't know by calling them a moron.

Posted by: ranndino | December 13, 2008 11:35 PM

Maybe you didn't reread the discussion. So here's my quote, in fuller context. Let me know where I called YOU a moron.

"Any argument equation of Theodore to Kolzig is moronic, seeing as how Kolzig is 6 years older and is pretty much running on empty.

Call me crazy, but I'll take the coach at his word, ride the hot hand and wait on making the call on a #1. I'd rather do that than following the position of hoping that Johnson can play 35-45 more games on what could be a injury that could bother him all year long and blindly throw the other goalie under the bus."

Posted by: Section117 | December 14, 2008 12:01 AM

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Posted by: Section117 | December 14, 2008 12:03 AM | Report abuse

@ Section117 ... LMAO @ "running for office" ... i understand ... just trying to get you two to forget about what started it and just let it go ... i agree that comments and attitudes can be aggravating ... and if you really enjoy the debate then by all means enjoy ... lol ... it's just kind of annoying to me and i would think to a lot of other people too ... along with not presenting a very good impression to people visiting the board from other teams ... but is it really that much fun? ... just sayin ... sorry about the "slap shot" ... lol ... that was funny

Posted by: obx13 | December 14, 2008 12:05 AM | Report abuse

@ obx13

You're right. I was actually very annoyed by puckguru who can't help, but end every single post with some self aggrandizing comment. I even called him on it a few times.

I usually try not to get emotional and stay calm and reasonable, but hey, like I said we're all human and sometimes can't help, but drop the gloves. Just like in a course of a hockey game some people just end up getting under my skin.

As far as seeing whether you behave the way you preach we'll find out the first time someone calls you a moron. If you're able to stay calm and not stoop to their level more power to you. I, however, have observed that the smartest, most reasonable and well meaning people get bent out of shape when that happens.

Anyway, back to hockey.

Posted by: ranndino | December 14, 2008 12:07 AM | Report abuse

@ ranndino ... no worries .. it's all good ... and yes ... we all have our weak moments of reacting to things ... and i sure do hope that if it happens to me there will be those around me who will point it out and let me know how it looks and feels to them ... and most importantly ... i hope i will be aware enough and responsive enough to listen and adjust my behavior ... i appreciate your willingness to do that ... let's try to reserve "getting under the skin" for guys from the other teams ... lol ... and don't worry ... i don't mind if someone calls me a moron ... it makes me stop and look at myself to be sure if i am acting like one ... lol ... it's when i am acting like a moron and no one is telling me that i worry ... :D

Posted by: obx13 | December 14, 2008 12:15 AM | Report abuse

@ Section117

You really have too much time on your hands. Thanks for posting that. I'll let others decide who is right.

I also did have a very concise and logical response to your so called argument. There was nothing moronic about my original statement. Kolzig was bad last year. Theo has been bad this year. Simple enough. The age difference is completely irrelevant.

Let me break it down to you further since you seem to have ignored my reply and still think that you're right.

Kolzig in 2007-08 = bad goaltending.
Theo in 2008-09 so far = bad goaltending.

Comprendo? Not sure how to make it any simpler for you. What's moronic about that? Your argument actually that age somehow makes this equation moronic is truly moronic.

And yes, Osgood and Turco have sucked also this year.

Anyway, it's clear that you are just bored, started this for no reason whatsoever and just won't let go. This is the last reply you're going to get. I'm off the grid, as you put it.

Posted by: ranndino | December 14, 2008 12:18 AM | Report abuse

well gang ... off to bed ... hope you guys have a good night ... "can't we all just get along?" ... lol ... hope to hear more good hockey info from you both ( without the arguing if you please ) ... take care all

Posted by: obx13 | December 14, 2008 12:27 AM | Report abuse

I also did have a very concise and logical response to your so called argument. There was nothing moronic about my original statement. Kolzig was bad last year. Theo has been bad this year. Simple enough. The age difference is completely irrelevant.

Again, age is relevant for goalies, otherwise Patrick Roy would still be playing, instead of teaching his sons how to goon. And your response was opinion, and your opinion, well, it ain't fact.

And yes, Osgood and Turco have sucked also this year.

So let me ask this then; are Osgood and Turco salvageable? Osgood is 14-4-1 (I think) with the Wings, and Turco has posted sub-2.50 GAA for every year except one (not counting this one). Would they be acceptable substitutes for 60?

This is the last reply you're going to get. I'm off the grid, as you put it.

Posted by: ranndino | December 14, 2008 12:18 AM

Sorry to hear it, because I'm going to keep asking questions and pick that big hockey brain of yours for wisdom.

Posted by: Section117 | December 14, 2008 12:30 AM | Report abuse

@ Section117

You got me curious and I finally went back to the other thread and read this amazing two part post of yours. It quickly became apparent that our definitions of logic are just so different that it would be a complete waste of my time responding to it because you've basically misinterpreted / misrepresented just about every point I made. Or maybe some kind of a problem with reading comprehension.

I'll still attempt one last time to clarify where you have completely misinterpreted what I said.

1. My saying that the past performance of young Euro goalies has nothing to do with Varlamov. I will reiterate. It doesn't. Varlamov is not them. What happened to other people in the past has absolutely nothing to do with him. Ever read your stock investing booklet where it says something like "Past Performance is No Guarantee of Future Results"? That was my point. Especially when its past performance by people not named Varlamov.

I'm entirely not sure what your response about Osala had anything to do with my point. It's a totally different argument and I don't wanna get into it, but IMO the Russian League is the 2nd best league in the world and much better than the AHL so the jump to the NHL from it is not that much of a stretch. It just requires adjusting to smaller rinks and a more physical style.

2. My citing of Ovechkin and Malkin again was entirely miscomprehended by you judging by your reply. I was simply saying that what you said about 20-year old Euro goalies could have also been said about 18-old Russian skaters. Then came Ovechkin and Malkin and made the performance of guys in the past irrelevant. My point was that Varlamov might be a special talent also, so he shouldn't be judged by how other 20-year old Euro goalies have performed.

3. Logic didn't leave me when I said that Boudreau's evaluation of Varlamov is closer to mine than to yours. It's a fact. Had he not thought that he was ready to play in the NHL he wouldn't have put him in tonight. What's illogical about that?

4. I didn't come in to temper anything. I was simply being realistic. It's just one game. I'm very happy that Varlamov did as well as he did. I just didn't want people to climb all over him if he didn't. That's all. However, he did nothing to change my opinion of him tonight.

The rest of your post doesn't deserve a reply at all. It's all misinterpretations, misrepresentations and pot shots. Glad you made yourself happy, bud.

Posted by: ranndino | December 14, 2008 12:52 AM | Report abuse

"Again, age is relevant for goalies, otherwise Patrick Roy would still be playing, instead of teaching his sons how to goon. And your response was opinion, and your opinion, well, it ain't fact."

For god's sake. You have a serious issue with reading comprehension. Once again, I simply said that both goalies in question were not playing well. That's it. Yes, it's my opinion and no, nowhere did I imply that Theo is not salvageable. I simply assessed his performance up to date as a Cap. In my opinion, it's been very bad and compared it to Kolzig being bad last year. Once again, age has no relevance to what I said.

Your thought process is amazing. First, you entirely misinterpret my comment and then call it moronic and try to disprove not what I actually said, but what you think I said. If I were to discuss whether Theo is salvageable or not I'd agree that age has some relevance, but once again that's not what I said. That's your misinterpretation of what I said.

So perhaps you should try to improve your reading comprehension and actually understand the point someone is trying to make before jumping on them and calling it moronic. Otherwise your behavior is actually moronic.

Your question on whether Osgood and Turco are salvageable has nothing to do with my original point, but I'll answer it. Turco was great until this year, so yes. Osgood's record is irrelevant. Any pro goalie can have a good record on a team that scores as many goals as Detroit does. If Osgood lets in 4 in every game and they manage to score 5 he'll be undefeated. Doesn't mean he's playing well. I've never been a big fan of him, but as I've mentioned before he seems to raise his game in the playoffs.

OK, the last game of the night is over. Sharks won. Now I'm really going to bed.

Posted by: ranndino | December 14, 2008 1:08 AM | Report abuse

The very last thing I wanted to re-iterate and I've said it before. I had nothing personal against Kolzig last year. He was simply hurting the team with his bad goaltending. I also have nothing against personal against Theo. But once again, just like Kolzig last year he's been hurting the Caps with his bad goaltending. I'll be as happy as anyone if he gets his crap together and plays lights out for the rest of the season, but if he continues to suck at some point Bruce has to make a decision of whether keeping to give him chance to redeem himself is really hurting the club.

This is a performance based business. If the Caps went on a long losing streak Boudreau would get fired. Just look at what happened to Laviolette this year. This is the coach that took Carolina to the Stanley Cup not so long ago.

Lastly, while I hope that Theo can get it together every time he throws a stinker my faith in his ability to recover his Vezina form dies a little more. The truth is that aside from a short spell at the end of last season he has sucked badly for a long time now. Ever since that great year he had, in fact. I don't know what happened, but you can't keep giving him chances to the detriment of the team.

Posted by: ranndino | December 14, 2008 1:17 AM | Report abuse

1. Hope you're right, I'm just not going to drink the Kool-Aid with only what, 15 games in North America under his belt? My Osala example was to help show that going from Europe to here is tough (and for the record, I'm an Elitserien man myself).

2. Sorry, but you can't equate any and every 18-year old Russian forward to OV and Malkin. It's great they're here and the infusion of talent is wonderful, but for every OV and Malkin, there are a couple of Berezins, a Butsayev, shoot, even a Kozlov, that don't take the league by the short hairs.

3. That's not logic, it's opinion. I'd say it's both Boudreau's quote from TeB earlier today (whoops, yesterday) and Johnson's hip which he seemed to be stretching last night when the Caps were on the Ottawa side of the ice which allowed him to make that call. And again, I have not evaluated Varlamov, other than I'm hesitant to put the crown on him yet, which appears to be a prevailing thought right now, yes?

4. Sorry, but you kinda did. You said "ready to contribute at this level this season," which I take to mean IMMEDIATELY. You also said why "wouldn't be giving him his debut in Montreal of all places, would he?" You can't come in with bombast and hype, and then insulate yourself from any possible consequences. I mean, let's play Devil's Advocate for a second; what if, just maybe, the guy turns out to be Jim Carey, instead of Jacques Plante? What do you do then?

Posted by: Section117 | December 14, 2008 1:23 AM | Report abuse

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