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Fleischmann, Fehr and Schultz file for salary arbitration

Restricted free agents Tomas Fleischmann, Eric Fehr and Jeff Schultz have filed for salary arbitration ahead of today's 5 p.m. deadline.

That Fleischmann has elected to have his salary determined by a third party is hardly surprising. Despite another poor postseason showing, the winger had a career-best 23 goals and 51 points in only 69 games and is a year away from unrestricted free agency.

Fleischmann earned an extremely cap-friendly $725,000 last season; his agent recently hinted that he believes his client is worth around $2.75 million.

Schultz and Fehr, meantime, are also positioned for big raises after breakout 2009-10 seasons. Despite skating on the top defensive pair and posting a league-best plus-50 rating last season, Schultz, 24, was Washington's second lowest paid full-timer at $715,000 (only spare defenseman Tyler Sloan earned less).

Fehr, on the other hand, parlayed the 22nd most ice time on the Caps (12:07 per game) into the ninth most points (21 goals, 18 assists) on the NHL's top offense. The 24-year-old wing earned $771,750.

Bord Gordon, and a handful of prospects, also possessed arbitration rights but did not file. They've got until July 15th to accept their qualifying offer.

Just because a player files for arbitration doesn't mean it will get that far. The sides can continue to negotiate a contract extension right up until the hearing.

For players, arbitration can be an ego-crushing, hard-feelings-creating route to earning a raise. Some teams, including the Caps, have a reputation for being ruthless in their arguments.

It's also risky for the clubs. After all, how many times have you seen an award and asked yourself, "He got how much?"

If the sides can't reach an agreement in the coming weeks, Caps' capologist Don Fishman, the player, the player's agent, and perhaps a representative from the NHLPA, will convene for arbitration hearing between July 20 and Aug. 4 in Toronto. We should know exact dates in the next few days.

The deadline for rulings is Aug 6.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 5, 2010; 5:18 PM ET
 
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OK given the current market for free agents if these guys were available for any team to bid on them what do you think they would receive?

Amount and length of contract-

I think Fehr could get $3 million on open market for 3 years right now.

Flash $2.25 million for 2

Schultz $2.8 million for 4 years (note Curtis Foster got 1.8 for 2 years and Schultz is better)

Thoughts? or better make a case for more or less in the eyes of some of the other teams out there (not the eyes of a Caps fan)

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Ugh... No one wants this. None of these players deserves the $2MM per year Laich has earned, but one of them might crack that number. Tough choices to make for McPhee.

Posted by: Langway4Eva | July 5, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

And this is exactally why GMGM didn't use up the 4.some million he said they had. IF one of these guys, or all three, get more then what the Caps had planned they could have been forced to make a trade, where they would get very low value since teams would know they NEEDED the trade. That or the Caps would be forced to keep Alzner or someone in the minors at the start of the year because of cap issues. Until the Caps sign these three guys their hands are tied. They could spend a million or two but they can't get too close to the cap or they could get into a big jam if they got bad decisions in their mind.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 5, 2010 5:40 PM | Report abuse

Trade Flush and Schultz, neither is worth their asking price. Both were no shows during the last two playoff years. The regular seasons means nada, except for Ted's pocket$ and OV's stats.

Posted by: Drudge1 | July 5, 2010 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Nice thing with arbitration there is no in between. Player makes a case for $ and the team makes case and the arbitrator picks one or the other.

That is why one side usually buckles under and agrees to something before the hearing. It may all be a negotiating ploy. I am pretty sure Flash will never get close to what he thinks if it does not go to hearing. The Caps will look after the other 2.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 5:46 PM | Report abuse

The Caps should dump Flash - he's not worth more than $2M. Schultz is worth at least $2.5M though - he is a solid dman to back Green up. And Fehr is worth around $2.7-3M - about what Knuble makes. He is not as good in front of the net as Knuble, but he is more talented overall.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 5:52 PM | Report abuse

Great, not only do we have to keep Flash and Schultz, but they get a huge raise.

Once Kovalchuk signs, Semin will be gone. If the Kings, Isles, Rangers lose out to the Devils, they will want a scorer.


Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Player age is an upside though and must be considered.

Fehr is beginning to show that he can score and one of these next two seasons will be a big breakout like he had in junior hockey:

50 Goals and 59 Goals in his last two seasons with Brandon (WHL)

I take that bet.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Caps wouldn't have to keep either - they can walk away from any arbitration decision. Hopefully, they will choose that with Flash.

If one of those team offers some good value for Semin, then maybe he will be traded - but it would be have to be a fair amount. The Caps hold the upper hand there.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 5:59 PM | Report abuse

What a great opportunity to dump two underperforming losers, Flash (Flush is more like it) and Slo-mo Schultz, neither of whom really had a breakout year despite some stats. Both were total no-shows when it counted. Eric Fehr is a keeper at about 1.5mm or so, but there are guys in Hershey (Perrault, Borque, O'Neil) who can play their respective positions FAR better than Flush or Slo-mo Schultz.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | July 5, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

@Langway Manny Malhotra is going to make 2.5 million next season I would say that if someone who is good at nothing other then winnign faceoffs can get that much all three of these guys are worth more then $2 million. We are lucky that we have Laich for that cheap he could make much more if he was a free agent next season.

@ Drudge1 Shultz had a decent playoffs. He doesn't score so you can't really look at his stats but it is not like he made glaring mistakes. As for Flash, and Semin for that matter. People here underestimate the value of playing with the same players game in and game out. It takes time to learn the tendencies of teammates and with our second and third lines last season, especially in the playoffs, the lines were changing every game and sometime two or three times in games. When Knuble got moved down to the second line for a bit his production went down and so did the top line production with Semin.

Posted by: icehammer97 | July 5, 2010 6:00 PM | Report abuse

If the Caps have 4.5 million left and two of these guys get significant raises - then the other might be signed and then dealt to make space.

Just the Caps would need prospects back because we couldn't pay them to play in DC until something more drastic was done.

Its important to do it right because (a)the team is contending and (b) more guys come up for renewal next summer.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 6:01 PM | Report abuse

If the Caps have 4.5 million left and two of these guys get significant raises - then the other might be signed and then dealt to make space.

Just the Caps would need prospects back because we couldn't pay them to play in DC until something more drastic was done.

Its important to do it right because (a)the team is contending and (b) more guys come up for renewal next summer.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 6:01 PM

One of them could also be traded for a player we would need for only next season - such as a #3C. Flash would probably be worth that to a team who needs scoring. I'd guess we'd have over $3M even after arbitration.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 6:05 PM | Report abuse

@Exile in Philly: Walking away is not an option for the Caps at arbitration. They are better off to take the high ball and sign them and then trade them for something.

Other teams will take Flash - provided he doesn't have a 5 year deal or something. A one year deal would be perfect to shop him. If the Caps think other teams will take Flash then that makes the case for Flash to get his $. Its supply and demand.

These types of players you know will play next year - it would be a bad misjudgment if they go for nothing in return.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 6:06 PM | Report abuse

What a great opportunity to dump two underperforming losers, Flash (Flush is more like it) and Slo-mo Schultz, neither of whom really had a breakout year despite some stats. Both were total no-shows when it counted. Eric Fehr is a keeper at about 1.5mm or so, but there are guys in Hershey (Perrault, Borque, O'Neil) who can play their respective positions FAR better than Flush or Slo-mo Schultz.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | July 5, 2010 6:00 PM

I'd agree about Flash, but you are way off on both Fehr and Schultz. Schultz is an ideal partner for Green, and Fehr is worth close to $3M, especially seeing how he got 21 goals on only 12 minutes a game, and 3 goals in the playoffs. Only Ovie and Backs had more goals for the Caps in the playoffs.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 6:09 PM | Report abuse

There are rumors swirling the Caps are shopping Semin, possibly to the Isles. IMO a fine idea, but what to get in return. If they ship out 6million, they could be in a more cap friendly situation. I can't say who on the Islanders I would want. Recently, ESPN rumors section said the caps were looking for two prospects and a draft pick for Semin. I don't think any team would cough that up after all the free agent monies thrown around this week. Any ideas? comments? about whether we can get anything viable for Semin? We need a tough D man, enforcer and 2nd line center.

Posted by: robostop10 | July 5, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Fehr is 6' 4" and 210 lbs -

I like knowing that for most games the Caps have a size advantage on teams.

Fehr and Schultz are some of the reasons why.

The player Montreal got in the Halak trade - Lars Eller - is big like that too. Teams need size.

That Fehr can score 35 goals if he played more - he wont play more on the Caps but he has upside, and future value if we ever need it.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

Caps should be able to get a #2C or a good dman for Semin - maybe even one of them and a 3rd liner, depending on the player they get. I can't see them trading him for prospects at this point.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 6:14 PM | Report abuse

def keep Fehr, and most def dump Flash and 55

Posted by: Tondi | July 5, 2010 6:19 PM | Report abuse

There are rumors swirling the Caps are shopping Semin, possibly to the Isles. IMO a fine idea, but what to get in return. If they ship out 6million, they could be in a more cap friendly situation. I can't say who on the Islanders I would want. Recently, ESPN rumors section said the caps were looking for two prospects and a draft pick for Semin. I don't think any team would cough that up after all the free agent monies thrown around this week. Any ideas? comments? about whether we can get anything viable for Semin? We need a tough D man, enforcer and 2nd line center.

Posted by: robostop10 | July 5, 2010 6:12 PM | Report abuse

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The source of that rumor is the Island not DC. However, the Isles are $8 million below the salary minimum and need to spend up so they can take a contract if it brings their payroll closer to $40 million.

That is why they were still on the edge of an insane Kovalchuk push for $10 million.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

If these guys want to stay in Washington long term, they and their agents should consider that GMGM doesn't forgive when a player uses arbitration to force a deal for more money than GMGM thinks is fair. Just ask Jurcina. And if Semin gets shipped out, don't think the players won't take note of how he declined GMGM's offer for a longer term contract.

Posted by: zmega | July 5, 2010 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Dump shultz and flush, maybe keep fehr if the money is right. if not dump him too. all three wouldn't make a good pimple on GMGM's rearend when he played. oh yeah we still need a tough guy who can play a little, shelley would have been the ticket, but now that he's in philly...by the way who's Fishman? the team's proctologists? why does the team need one of them? I'll never figure it out.

Posted by: Squigsfan83 | July 5, 2010 6:24 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing all this chatter for a "good D-man". Both Green and Shultz have proven themelves, and I see even more in Carlson and Alzner. Let the kids develop like it was intended and give them a significant shot in the bigs before a call goes out to a high-priced vet. I think we have enough young talent to work with and if the coaching staff can keep on them, they'll do fine. And Semin... why get rid of our #2 scorer? 6 mil is a bit much, but the guy can produce. The grass is always greener and buying talent, a la Jagr, does not always work out - many end up as busts. I say work with what we've got.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 6:26 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: robostop10 | July 5, 2010 6:27 PM | Report abuse

I keep hearing all this chatter for a "good D-man". Both Green and Shultz have proven themelves, and I see even more in Carlson and Alzner. Let the kids develop like it was intended and give them a significant shot in the bigs before a call goes out to a high-priced vet. I think we have enough young talent to work with and if the coaching staff can keep on them, they'll do fine. And Semin... why get rid of our #2 scorer? 6 mil is a bit much, but the guy can produce. The grass is always greener and buying talent, a la Jagr, does not always work out - many end up as busts. I say work with what we've got.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 6:26 PM

If another dman was gotten, it would be to take Erskine's place. Probably someone to pair with Alzner - Green and Schultz are a great pair, and Poti played very well with Carlson last season.

And I agree about Semin. Unless a playmaking #2C or a strong dman can be gotten for him, it's not worth it.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Semin is a wonderful talent and he is one of the best when he is on top of his game, but he has a tendency to take bad penalties in the offensive zone. He disappears during stretches of games as well during the season. I would rather have a stay at home defensman. This team has enough skill already.

The Caps have 16 million under the cap as we speak. If you trade Semin, you go to 22 million. Would be great to get Ilya Kovulchuk for 10 a year for 10 yrs with 12 million left.( If my math is correct).

Posted by: robostop10 | July 5, 2010 6:35 PM | Report abuse

"Both Green and Shultz have proven themelves"

Proven themselves to be what, exactly? Good at disappearing in crucial situations?

Posted by: spacecadetkid | July 5, 2010 6:41 PM | Report abuse

They should have traded Flash if they had the chance earlier. He might actually get a pretty good salary through arbitration but it will likely be a more than he's worth to the Caps. On other teams he might be a good 2nd line winger, but on the Caps there's a good chance he'd be a 3rd liner most of the season. They still have too many forwards (other than centres) and can't really afford to pay a guy a couple million a year to be a depth player. If he could pickup his faceoffs to be a true centre, he might be worth the cost. But for what the teams needs him for they shouldn't be paying more than $1.5M. Arbitration will probably get him around $2-2.25M. Which would be fine for some teams, not not when you're overloaded with forwards who can play top 6.

Posted by: Stu_c | July 5, 2010 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Semin is a wonderful talent and he is one of the best when he is on top of his game, but he has a tendency to take bad penalties in the offensive zone. He disappears during stretches of games as well during the season. I would rather have a stay at home defensman. This team has enough skill already.

The Caps have 16 million under the cap as we speak. If you trade Semin, you go to 22 million. Would be great to get Ilya Kovulchuk for 10 a year for 10 yrs with 12 million left.( If my math is correct).

Posted by: robostop10 | July 5, 2010 6:35 PM

First, Semin doesn't take that many penalties. Second, he pretty much just disappeared when he was put on the 1st line with Ovie - on the 2nd line, he tended to carry it. Third, the Caps don't have $16M, or even close - they have less than $13M with only 8 forwards, dmen, and 2 goalies. That means they need 5 forwards (3 who are RFA's who were given offers) and 1 dman (Schultz at this point). Losing Semin and getting Kovalchuk would be a huge step backwards - Semin is better in nearly every way except scoring.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 6:44 PM | Report abuse

@robostop10

On the links, specifically the one on Kaberle, methinks our friends in Toronto are overvaluing him and undervaluing our defensemen. Granted, our defense does have issues but I would rank Green and Schultz ahead of him. I figured he'd be part of our 2nd defensive pairing.

No, he is not worth Alex Semin even if they seem to think so.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 5, 2010 6:46 PM | Report abuse

I have seen some crazy posts about trading semin and getting Kovalchuk. Semin scored around that same amount of goals and can play on the PK. His penalties went down as the year went on. Koval doesn't play any D. Why would the caps ever want a long term deal with a one way player. Another poinit is thatKnuble started to take more lazy penalties than semin at the end of the year.

Posted by: Caps4Life1 | July 5, 2010 6:48 PM | Report abuse

@Caps4Life1

I've been reading those same crazy posts myself. While I have nothing personal against Kovalchuk and consider him an excellent player, my own take is that he's more durable and a slightly better goal scorer than Semin. He's also worse at defense and does not do PK. Kovy is also much more expensive than Semin. (If anything, Semin is underrated in defense.)

I've noticed something, it seems that if any team has a star on the block, there's always the suggestion of "trade Semin" to get him. Cases in point: Heatley, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf, Kovalchuk, and now Kaberle.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 5, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I have seen some crazy posts about trading semin and getting Kovalchuk. Semin scored around that same amount of goals and can play on the PK. His penalties went down as the year went on. Koval doesn't play any D. Why would the caps ever want a long term deal with a one way player. Another poinit is thatKnuble started to take more lazy penalties than semin at the end of the year.

Posted by: Caps4Life1 | July 5, 2010 6:48 PM

I agree about Semin and Kovalchuk. But you're off on Knuble. He got 5 penalties in the last 20 games of the season - and only 1 in the last 10. Semin got 8 penalties in the last 20, and and 4 in the last 10.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 6:54 PM | Report abuse

I think Semin's penalty minutes went down to 60 something last year. It was 2 years ago that he was pulling a fair share of ill-timed penalties but he did improve. It will just take some time for him to lose the bad rap. As for not producing in the playoffs, it happens! Joe Thornton is famous for low production. The year the Pens won it, it was Malkin who did the bulk of the work and not Crosby. Dry spells happen and it's not as though there is a formula to break it. In the long term, I see Semin producing in the playoffs. Keep him.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 7:01 PM | Report abuse

I think Semin's penalty minutes went down to 60 something last year. It was 2 years ago that he was pulling a fair share of ill-timed penalties but he did improve. It will just take some time for him to lose the bad rap. As for not producing in the playoffs, it happens! Joe Thornton is famous for low production. The year the Pens won it, it was Malkin who did the bulk of the work and not Crosby. Dry spells happen and it's not as though there is a formula to break it. In the long term, I see Semin producing in the playoffs. Keep him.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 7:01 PM

This past season, he had 66 PIM's in 73 games. The two previous seasons he had 77 and 54 - in 62 and 63. The years before that, he had 90 PIM's in 77 - which is the season that gave him the bad reputation. Semin is getting better every season, both in production and in decreasing how often he takes penalties.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 7:07 PM | Report abuse

I think Semin's penalty minutes went down to 60 something last year. It was 2 years ago that he was pulling a fair share of ill-timed penalties but he did improve. It will just take some time for him to lose the bad rap. As for not producing in the playoffs, it happens! Joe Thornton is famous for low production. The year the Pens won it, it was Malkin who did the bulk of the work and not Crosby. Dry spells happen and it's not as though there is a formula to break it. In the long term, I see Semin producing in the playoffs. Keep him.

Posted by: gonchpup

If Semin stays, this is his last year. He is gonna want $7m+. He is not worth that to this team. Another team, maybe, not here though.

Best to trade him now, so you don't effect chemisty during the season.

If Semin signs in NJ, they will need to make moves. Zajac should be available. They will need to move him for picks and prospects, not players.

If he goes to Russia, LA and NYI will be in need big time.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

If Semin stays, this is his last year. He is gonna want $7m+. He is not worth that to this team. Another team, maybe, not here though.

Best to trade him now, so you don't effect chemisty during the season.

If Semin signs in NJ, they will need to make moves. Zajac should be available. They will need to move him for picks and prospects, not players.

If he goes to Russia, LA and NYI will be in need big time.

Posted by: underpants2

Sorry, I meant if Kovalchuk signs in NJ.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:13 PM | Report abuse

If Semin stays, this is his last year. He is gonna want $7m+. He is not worth that to this team. Another team, maybe, not here though.

Best to trade him now, so you don't effect chemisty during the season.

If Semin signs in NJ, they will need to make moves. Zajac should be available. They will need to move him for picks and prospects, not players.

If he goes to Russia, LA and NYI will be in need big time.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:12 PM | Report abuse

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Not necessarily $7 million

It may depend on how long a deal it is.

Hossa got $5 million for 12 years.

Semin would have better luck asking for a 6 or 7 year deal and prorating his cost accordingly to stay with a winning team.

He only got $6 million this year because it was a one year.

No way this guy gets more than Backstrom....in DC anyway.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 7:16 PM | Report abuse

underpants, how come you keep insisting Semin won't be here after this season? Considering past history, and barring a much better season than last, he will probably ask for $6-7M. And he is definitely worth that.

In descending importance:

1) He takes a lot of defensive pressure off Ovechkin - Ovechkin's numbers dropped severely when Semin was out this season.

2) He plays good defense and PK's well.

3) He is the only Cap aside from Ovie and maybe Backstrom who can be counted on for 30 goals a season.

He is worth $7M to any team, and unless he could be replaced by a 30+ goal scorer, it would severely hurt the Caps.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 7:20 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

You can tie up 25% of your cap on two wingers. Ovy makes $9m, if Semin signs for $6m (never), that is $15m on two wings. With only one viable center, needing to sign two RFA goalies, never gonna happen.

Semin gets a lot more on the open market, let alone KHL. This is a fact, this is Semin's last year in Washington. And depending on what happens with Kovalchuk, Semin probably won't start the year here.

What I am saying has nothing to due with whether I like Semin as a player or not. It just doesn't make salary cap logic to keep him.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:32 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

You can tie up 25% of your cap on two wingers. Ovy makes $9m, if Semin signs for $6m (never), that is $15m on two wings. With only one viable center, needing to sign two RFA goalies, never gonna happen.

Semin gets a lot more on the open market, let alone KHL. This is a fact, this is Semin's last year in Washington. And depending on what happens with Kovalchuk, Semin probably won't start the year here.

What I am saying has nothing to due with whether I like Semin as a player or not. It just doesn't make salary cap logic to keep him.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:32 PM |

You can tie that much up - and there is certainly reason to. The Caps, next season, will have at least 2 viable centers signed - 3, if Gordon is signed for that long, and maybe more, depending on this offseason. Semin can get a lot more on the open market or KHL - but you are forgetting that 1) he likes being here 2) he wouldn't want to be the focus of the media, which would happen almost any place else. Semin could very well be past here next season, any answer like yours is nothing but supposition - and probably wishful thinking in your case. And Semin will start the year here - the Caps cannot afford Kovalchuk, and have shown no desire to get him. There wouldn't be many cap problems to keep him (and none that couldn't be worked around), and your "logic" is based off the fact that you dislike him and want him gone.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 7:39 PM | Report abuse

he Caps cannot afford Kovalchuk, and have shown no desire to get him. There wouldn't be many cap problems to keep him (and none that couldn't be worked around), and your "logic" is based off the fact that you dislike him and want him gone.

Posted by: timmyv38

My point on Kovalchuk had to do with where he signs. For instance, if NJ gets him, LA and NYI will want a guy like Semin. If KHL gets him, they all need a guy like Semin, Semin will be marketed to all teams that miss out on Kovy. His value sky rockets.

You gave two reasons for keeping him:
1) he likes being here (How could you possibly know this?)
2. he wouldn't want to be the focus of the media ( Again, how could you possibly know this?)

The fact is he will be a UFA. The Caps cannot give him a $6m per year deal, plus, he will get a lot more open market.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:50 PM | Report abuse

"You gave two reasons for keeping him:
1) he likes being here (How could you possibly know this?)
2. he wouldn't want to be the focus of the media ( Again, how could you possibly know this?)"

1) He likes being with Ovechkin (which I' sure you know) and he keeps re-signing here.
2) Why do you think he tries to avoid the media so much? For the record, it's not that he doesn't speak English - my brother has talked to him at STH events, and his English is nearly as good as Ovechkin's. He's shy and introverted, and has had problems with the media. A 40-goal scorer will be the center of attention, unless there's a 50-goal scorer around.

The Caps can afford him, and unless they get a lot of value for him, they keep him.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 7:56 PM | Report abuse

I do agree with you on one thing - the teams that miss out on Kovalchuk will be asking about Semin. But unless they have a lot to offer (like more than Semin's worth), I don't see anything happening.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

1) He likes being with Ovechkin (which I' sure you know) and he keeps re-signing here.

Then why didn't they sign him long term?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:59 PM | Report abuse

1) He likes being with Ovechkin (which I' sure you know) and he keeps re-signing here.

Then why didn't they sign him long term?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:59 PM

Because Semin wants to keep his options open and see what kind of salary he can get. In case you didn't notice, his last 3 contracts have been 2 year, 1 year, 1 year. For whatever reason, he doesn't like long contracts.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 8:04 PM | Report abuse

The Caps have 4 million in space ALREADY ASSUMING the four RFAs come in at about $8.2M --> Flash 2.75, Fehr and Schultz 2.25 ea and Gordo $900K.

saiditfirst: The arbitration judge is not constrained to pick the club or player number, he can pick in between.

Flash is easiest to project. There are a bunch of players and he compares favorable to Olesz at $3.1M/yr.

Schultz doesn't compare to Foster because Foster was UFA.

robostop: No, Caps have like $13M available not counting the four RFAs.

A team can only walk away from one arbitration ruling per year...I think.

No way do I pay Kovy $8-9M and trade Semin.

Semin and Flash could both be first line wingers elsewhere, even Flash could be #1LW on a few teams. If they want to stay, it has to be at a discount.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 5, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

I do agree with you on one thing - the teams that miss out on Kovalchuk will be asking about Semin. But unless they have a lot to offer (like more than Semin's worth), I don't see anything happening.

Posted by: timmyv38 |

What would we want from the Isles? Okposo, Bailey
Kings? D. Brown, Simmonds, J. Johnson
Rangers? Callahan, Staal
Blues? Backes, Perron, McDonald

Some of those guys might be nice. All of those teams need goal scoring.

GM probably hopes Kovalchuk goes to Russia. If he does, Semin is the guy. Jeff Carter and Bobby Ryan too.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Then why didn't they sign him long term?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 7:59 PM

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There has been no will by either side to really sign long term. They both have mutual benefits in keeping the contract short. GM GM can play with this asset all season - and why wouldn't Semin want to be next season's Kovalchuk if he gets a chance. Only one guy gets that top billing every year with multiple teams inquiring.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 8:16 PM | Report abuse

schultz makes green look good. fehr is improving. flash has long been expendable.

Posted by: jobrie18 | July 5, 2010 8:19 PM | Report abuse

I would swap out Perreault for Flash.

Posted by: evtoi | July 5, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

What would we want from the Isles? Okposo, Bailey
Kings? D. Brown, Simmonds, J. Johnson
Rangers? Callahan, Staal
Blues? Backes, Perron, McDonald

Some of those guys might be nice. All of those teams need goal scoring.

GM probably hopes Kovalchuk goes to Russia. If he does, Semin is the guy. Jeff Carter and Bobby Ryan too.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 5, 2010 8:15 PM

You do make a case for who to trade Semin for - there's some nice talent on that list. And as a significantly lower priced 40 goal scorer compared to Kovalchuk, Semin would make nice trade bait. As I've said before, I could see that trade happening with enough return for the Caps. The one problem is, right now they are 2 forwards short - #2/3C. They could fill the #3 center spot by pulling up a guy from Hershey and moving Gordon or Steckel to the #3C position, but they don't have anyone who they KNOW can fill the #2C position. If they trade Semin, then they also have a #2/3 (probably #3) wing spot to fill. So they would have to figure that out - which is doable.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Flash is easiest to project. There are a bunch of players and he compares favorable to Olesz at $3.1M/yr.

Semin and Flash could both be first line wingers elsewhere, even Flash could be #1LW on a few teams. If they want to stay, it has to be at a discount.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 5, 2010 8:14 PM | Report abuse

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If Flash is really worth that much to other teams and his extended value is about $3M - then at some point this season he is going.

Unless he gives the Caps that value playing him - his value can only go lower right? if they wait too long?

If it doesn't then why trade him?

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

If Flash is really worth that much to other teams and his extended value is about $3M - then at some point this season he is going.

Unless he gives the Caps that value playing him - his value can only go lower right? if they wait too long?

If it doesn't then why trade him?

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 8:24 PM

The Caps could get that kind of value for him very soon, and should. He can be traded for a player they need. Flash serves no useful purpose for this team, but could be very useful elsewhere.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 8:39 PM | Report abuse

Actually the arbitration thing will help reveal his real cost.

GMGM can go to clubs with Flash in a trade and those teams will know exactly what their long term salary will be. Before now some teams may have been hesitant because they might not have wanted to be the ones taking him to the arbitration.

That said the arbitration will rule on this particular case: what he should get paid to play for the Caps and not some other team where his role may be different.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | July 5, 2010 8:50 PM | Report abuse

@timmyv38

More on Semin's contracts.

He signed his 2 year extension around November in 2007.

He signed his 1 year extension in late December 2009.

He seems to sign for short term but early in his last year of deals.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 5, 2010 9:27 PM | Report abuse

Yes, Flash has more value to teams in dire need of scoring. That's why I invented Flash to Wild for Clutterbuck. The Wild and Caps are polar opposites. Flash can be on their top line and Clutterbuck would fill a big hole we have - checking line winger.

We have snipers; they have bruisers.

Flash is a waste on our third line. And, if he's on line #2, then we are wasting Fehr on the third line (he's not a checker).

The Caps lead the league in skill, but that isn't enough. Anyone remember the Red Sox from the 70s? All kinds of home runs and scoring but they never won (thanks to Bucky Dent - "It's a pop up to left...it's drifting...and it's over the Monster!").

Meanwhile, the St. Louis Cardinals were perennial contenders with very few home runs.

I like Semin and Fehr on line #2 with our new, FA center and Laich and Belanger on the third line with the grinder we get back for Flash.

Mark my words: Flash, Fehr and Schultz between them will get close to $8M in arbitration. It's all about the math.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 5, 2010 9:41 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't be surprised if the 3 of them get over $8M. Unless the Caps can get one or more to agree to a deal before then.

Trading Flash for Clutterbuck would be a great deal for the Caps - they can maybe get more, but Clutterbuck would help a lot. We would have to re-sign Belanger - but that's doable, I think.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 9:53 PM | Report abuse

This is rediculous.....flash and schultz were two of the worst performers in the playoffs....AGAIN!!!! they're lucky they get any money I wanna punch both of them in the face.....Schultz still can't skate still can't hit and still sucks at defense.....his plus/minus means nothing especially when you look at he barely had any of those pluses against teams in the playoffs.....HE IS GARBAGE!!!!

Posted by: velo_matt | July 5, 2010 10:18 PM | Report abuse

This is rediculous.....flash and schultz were two of the worst performers in the playoffs....AGAIN!!!! they're lucky they get any money I wanna punch both of them in the face.....Schultz still can't skate still can't hit and still sucks at defense.....his plus/minus means nothing especially when you look at he barely had any of those pluses against teams in the playoffs.....HE IS GARBAGE!!!!

Posted by: velo_matt | July 5, 2010 10:19 PM | Report abuse

This is rediculous.....flash and schultz were two of the worst performers in the playoffs....AGAIN!!!! they're lucky they get any money I wanna punch both of them in the face.....Schultz still can't skate still can't hit and still sucks at defense.....his plus/minus means nothing especially when you look at he barely had any of those pluses against teams in the playoffs.....HE IS GARBAGE!!!!

Posted by: velo_matt | July 5, 2010 10:19 PM

Correct on Flash, but maybe you should watch Schultz play. He is quite good at defense, but he can't do it without Green - who was pretty bad in the playoffs. As for his +/- ... he went even against New Jersey, +3 against Buffalo, +8 against Pittsburgh, +2 against Ottawa, +4 against Boston, +4 against Philly, and +3 against Montreal. For a total of +24 against Eastern Conference playoff teams - out of +50. That's nearly half of his total. Know what you're talking about before spewing that kind of garbage.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Your idea of Flash for Clutterbuck sounds good. Bruiser for scorer. I personally like Flash but feel he's our most expendable scoring winger.

Laich has been good in both the second and third line left winger role. It seemed that during the 2008-2009 season, Flash usually played that role (when everyone was healthy) while in 2009-2010, Laich played that role since Flash began the season on the injured list.

I'd like to see what would happen with Semin and Fehr on the same line. I felt since last year that Fehr's best role is to be on the second line. If it were up to me, I would keep both Semin and Fehr. I admit it may be hard to do forever.

BTW, I've been a fan of the St. Louis Cardinals team since forever and remember all the contending teams they had with no power. (The Nats and O's are my other two baseball teams although the Nats are now competing with the Cardinals for my main baseball affection now_.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 5, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Kovy has apparently resigned by NJ. Reported on Versus.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Flash's agent thinks he's comparable to Tomas Plekanec. If the arbitration judge agrees, goodbye.

Posted by: wis193 | July 5, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Flash's agent thinks he's comparable to Tomas Plekanec. If the arbitration judge agrees, goodbye.

Posted by: wis193 | July 5, 2010 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Everything I am seeing, even the rumor blogs, are saying he hasn't made a deal yet.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 11:10 PM | Report abuse

I'm one to not believe it until I see it as well, but the Versus crew flashed a few shots of Kovy saying he is staying in NJ. They mentioned the $ (I didn't catch it) and I believe they said a long -term contract. They mentioned what the Isles offered but that it was not enough and that he will remain a Devil.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 11:21 PM | Report abuse

About 2 hours ago, his agent said no decision had been made. So I think those clips weren't anything final.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 11:25 PM | Report abuse

Here is NJ cap:

http://www.nhlnumbers.com/overview.php?team=NJD&season=1011

They have $3.748M in space and they need 3 forwards to fill out a roster. Kovy signing wouldf put them $5M over and still short two forwards. Plus, they'd be almost maxed out on the 10% over rule so no more signings until people come off. Good luck making this work.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 5, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Flash is worth every cent,he'll be a 30 goal scorer next year atleast.Fehr,i'd try to sign him also but not for too much,if so i say let him go.And for shultz,let him go,now!take the money and get someone his size that aint afraid to hit.

Posted by: gratefuldid | July 5, 2010 11:28 PM | Report abuse

Who knows what we'll be reading tomorrow. Versus might have just been going out on a limb with this one. I'd like to see him stay put. I know part of it has to do with the team's financial equation, but too often players bounce around, like Hossa has, and it makes one question their commitment to their team mates. 7 million here, 7.2 million there... is there that big a difference at that point?

Posted by: gonchpup | July 5, 2010 11:34 PM | Report abuse

Flash is worth every cent to some other team. Here, he doesn't have any use - he's not a 1st liner, he shouldn't be a 2nd liner, he's not the right type for 3rd/4th line duty... Caps can trade him elsewhere for a player they need. Fehr is worth more than Flash, as is Schultz.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 11:44 PM | Report abuse

This is so easy for the emotional fan in me.

Send Fleischmann somewhere, anywhere for a pick. If you're a healthy scratch in a Game 7, you don't deserve $2M, much less $2.75M.

Come to some type of 3-year deal @ $6M for Fehr. Escalating from $1.75, $2M, $2.25M. That guy is going to get nothing but better. Especially after the departure of Bruce Almighty, roughly scheduled for late April-early May 2011.

Schultz. The fan in me hates seeing when he's getting smoked by a guy half a foot shorter than him, but the stat-loving maniac sees that plus-50. The thing is, that guy wants to be good, and he's more effective than it appears. Give him a three year deal @$2M per, just so you won't have to be dealing with this again for a while...especially in the 2011 Green extension period.

Posted by: pga6 | July 5, 2010 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Schultz and Fehr will each get more - there isn't much reason for them to settle for less than $2.5M each or so. And Boudreau isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 12:23 AM | Report abuse

@pga:
"If you're a healthy scratch in a Game 7, you don't deserve $2M, much less $2.75M."

Bingo, that really covers a big argument that I would hope is used against Flash...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 12:43 AM | Report abuse

The Caps should trade Semin to the Bruins for Patrice Bergeron. It makes too much sense for this not to happen. Here's why.

1- They each have 1 year remaining on their current contracts at about the same salary/cap hit.

2- The Caps desperately need a 2C and some help on the PK. Bergeron would fit both of these needs and in fact, he'd step in and be the best PK guy on the Caps.

3- The Bruins are deep up the middle (Savard, Krejci and newly drafted Tyler Seguin) making Bergeron expendable.

4- The Bruins are a very good defensive team, but they can't score a lick since they traded Kessel. The Bruins had only 1 twenty goal scorer last year, only 1! Semin steps in on their first line with Savard and will be good for 40 goals.

Make this happen, GMGM!

Posted by: cainoo7x | July 6, 2010 5:39 AM | Report abuse

Schultz proved himself = $2.2

Fehr should get as much as his linemate Chimera = 1.85

Gordon should get equal to Steckel = 1.1

Flash is a second line wing so around 2.25 is reasonable, but I still think he is the guy we should trade not Semin (just think of Semin as a one year rental to help us win the cup, and he should produce in the playoffs with his talent, exp, at the very least if a big K is on the line).

Posted by: mcgratsp | July 6, 2010 8:57 AM | Report abuse

Schultz proved himself = $2.2
are you serious mcgratsp? the only thing that he proved was anyone can be a plus 50 when you play on Ovie's line. Throw any of our d3-d6 on with green and they are a plus 50 as well. it's time to get rid of this guy, rather than biting the bullet and having to shell out more than he's worth.

Posted by: erico31us | July 6, 2010 9:16 AM | Report abuse

I have been out of the loop for two weeks on a business trip and missed a lot. Did they really make a qualifying offer to Boyd fricking Gordon?? And if so WHY??? There are plenty of options in Hershey that are just as good and are already under contract!

Posted by: PhilR | July 6, 2010 9:18 AM | Report abuse

@icehammer97... R U crazy ,or just blind? Schultz and Green were on the ice constantly when the Habs were taking us apart. Let him go... his bloated stats just like so many Caps come against the SouthEast. Not physical enough either.

I'd love to say buh-bye to him .. and TRADE GREEEN RIGHT NOW!!

Posted by: Timo17 | July 6, 2010 9:19 AM | Report abuse

@drudge, Since you want to get rid of people that didn't show up during the last two playoffs, why aren't you calling for Green to get traded?

Posted by: jwash4472 | July 6, 2010 9:33 AM | Report abuse

@icehammer97... R U crazy ,or just blind? Schultz and Green were on the ice constantly when the Habs were taking us apart. Let him go... his bloated stats just like so many Caps come against the SouthEast. Not physical enough either.

I'd love to say buh-bye to him .. and TRADE GREEEN RIGHT NOW!!

Posted by: Timo17 | July 6, 2010 9:41 AM | Report abuse

This is a good article from the Hockey News on the first few days of free agnecy.

http://www.thehockeynews.com/articles/34386-Campbells-Cuts-Are-there-any-free-agent-winners.html

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 10:03 AM | Report abuse

"Fehr should get as much as his linemate Chimera = 1.85"

Fehr broke 20 goals, Chimera had 15 all season. No basis for comparison there.
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are you serious mcgratsp? the only thing that he proved was anyone can be a plus 50 when you play on Ovie's line. Throw any of our d3-d6 on with green and they are a plus 50 as well. it's time to get rid of this guy, rather than biting the bullet and having to shell out more than he's worth.

Posted by: erico31us | July 6, 2010 9:16 AM

Learn hockey. Schultz played with every line, not just Ovie's - that's how defense works. And Schultz had a much higher +/- than Green - so his +50 obviously wasn't due to just Green. The sheer ignorance of all these attacks on Schultz is laughable.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 10:22 AM | Report abuse

I hope Kovalchuk goes to the KHL. If he does go to the Devils, they will be really good. They will need to move salary though. Zajac could go for picks and prospects. He could work as a 2c.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 6, 2010 10:24 AM | Report abuse

@icehammer97... R U crazy ,or just blind? Schultz and Green were on the ice constantly when the Habs were taking us apart. Let him go... his bloated stats just like so many Caps come against the SouthEast. Not physical enough either.

I'd love to say buh-bye to him .. and TRADE GREEEN RIGHT NOW!!

Posted by: Timo17 | July 6, 2010 9:41 AM

Timo, I'll tell you what I posted to someone yesterday - Schultz was +24 against the 7 other EC playoff teams (not a single one of whom was SE, btw). Including +8 against the Pens. Try finding out facts next time so someone doesn't have to make you look like a fool.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 10:25 AM | Report abuse

I hope Kovalchuk goes to the KHL. If he does go to the Devils, they will be really good. They will need to move salary though. Zajac could go for picks and prospects. He could work as a 2c.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 6, 2010 10:24 AM |

I wonder how good the Devils will be - they've got a good group of forwards and dmen, but Brodeur is starting to show some chinks in the armor. And I wonder if Kovalchuk will find a way to fit into the system - he didn't last season.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 10:29 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

The Devils will have to remove a significant amount of salary to fit Kovy(for the reported amount).

I think the biggest effect will be on their ability to re-sign Parise. Parise will be a UFA next year. Parise has had one less goal and the same amount of points as Kovy over the last two years. So he will have a very good argument to ask for an equal or greater salary.

That will be hard for the Devils to fit under the salary cap. They will basically be paying Kovy and Parise the same amount as Malkin and Crosby and more than the Backstrom and Ovie combined.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 10:33 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

The Devils will have to remove a significant amount of salary to fit Kovy(for the reported amount).

I think the biggest effect will be on their ability to re-sign Parise. Parise will be a UFA next year. Parise has had one less goal and the same amount of points as Kovy over the last two years. So he will have a very good argument to ask for an equal or greater salary.

That will be hard for the Devils to fit under the salary cap. They will basically be paying Kovy and Parise the same amount as Malkin and Crosby and more than the Backstrom and Ovie combined.

Posted by: sgm3

Agree. They will have to move Rolston. He makes too much, nobody should want him. The NHL GMs need to make Lou pay for this one. They shouldn't let him off the hook.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 6, 2010 10:38 AM | Report abuse

gmgm content to sign more skill guys so they can fold in the first round and he can work on his golf game

Posted by: wendel2 | July 6, 2010 10:54 AM | Report abuse

If you add Kovy at $8M and simply pretend that Rolston didn't exist, it only leaves them $742K to pay the three forwards they need to round out a minimum 22-player roster. Rolston also has a NTC, but not a NMC, so I guess they can make him a River Rat.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 10:59 AM | Report abuse

Reports yesterday were saying the discussion was for a 7 yr, $60M deal - which would be $8.57M/year. Don't know how much truth there was, but that was the rumor.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 11:03 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

The other thing you have to consider when moving an expensive player to the AHL is how willing is the owner to do that.

I'm guessing most owners do not like the idea of paying to the cap and then paying an additional $5M to a player in the minors. That is a recipe for losing money.

Even the Rangers don't want to do that with Redden and/or Rosival.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Rolston also has a NTC, but not a NMC, so I guess they can make him a River Rat.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 10:59 AM

Sadly, the River Rats are no more. They have become the Charlotte Checkers. NJ moved their AHL team from Lowell to Albany and kept the Devils nickname.

Whatever the case, Rolston is not earning the $5 million salary he was given by Papa Lou, so I agree the easiest cap fix is to mnove him to the "A".

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 6, 2010 11:08 AM | Report abuse

Steven Hindle breaks down the Caps salary cap and RFA situation in a way that even the cavemen here can understand. Worth a read!

The Sweet Sound of Silence - Why the Caps Are Quiet

http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/The-Sweet-Sound-of-Silence---Why-the-Caps-Are-Quiet/98/29212

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 6, 2010 11:40 AM | Report abuse

regarding above link:

Schultz likely contract: 1.35 mil
Fleischmann likely contract: 1.25 mil
Fehr likely contract: 1.25 mil
Gordon likely contract: 1.1 mil

Um, WHAT?

more like...

Schultz likely contract: 2.6 mil
Fleischmann likely contract: 2.3 mil
Fehr likely contract: 2.2 mil
Gordon likely contract: 1.0 mil

Wow, is he ever off on #'s

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Flash worth 2.75 mil???? that is a JOKE!!! I take Fehr over Flash and day of the week. flash = bum!!!

Posted by: doughless | July 6, 2010 11:58 AM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

IMO, if Flash goes to arbitration I think he will get above $2.5M and maybe near $2.75. Arbitration seems to favor players, especially those with good offensive stats (Goals, Assists, and +/-). Yes, I know =/- is not an offensive stat but it is a stat used in arbitration.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 12:01 PM | Report abuse

by the way, Flash is not anywhere near as good as Plekanec. NOT EVEN CLOSE!

Posted by: doughless | July 6, 2010 12:02 PM | Report abuse

@sgm:
I agree he could go higher, but that dude's analysis is just a joke... wow!

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 12:04 PM | Report abuse

Frank, I had the same reaction to the Hindle article. It would be nice if he were correct, but I think he is in Fantasy Land with his estimates for Flash, Schultz, and Fehr. Also, Hindle fails to address the matter of a trade to free up cap space. For example, if trading Flash would open up enough space to sign Volchenkov, why not do that? I think we get more in depth analysis from some of the posters here than was reflected in that article, IMO.

Posted by: zmega | July 6, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

regarding above link:

Schultz likely contract: 1.35 mil
Fleischmann likely contract: 1.25 mil
Fehr likely contract: 1.25 mil
Gordon likely contract: 1.1 mil

Um, WHAT?

more like...

Schultz likely contract: 2.6 mil
Fleischmann likely contract: 2.3 mil
Fehr likely contract: 2.2 mil
Gordon likely contract: 1.0 mil

Wow, is he ever off on #'s

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 11:54 AM


The low-balling of the numbers and your guesses as to what those players' salaries may actually end up being further illustrates the gist of the article, which is, McPhee has been quiet in anticipation of the demands for arbitration which were submitted by Flash, Schultz, and Fehr.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 6, 2010 12:06 PM | Report abuse

Here is the cap with more reasonable figures for the 4 RFAs. I also included MP and Laing to fill out a 22-player roster. More likely, one of the Hershey guys will replace Laing at a cost hit of about $200K extra.

Ovechkin (2008-2021) 9.538
Backstrom (2010-2020) 6.700
Semin (impending UFA) 6.000
Knuble (impending UFA) 2.800
Flash (signs 2010-2013) 2.750
Laich (impending UFA) 2.067
Fehr (signs 2010-2012) 2.250
Chimera (2009-2012) 1.875
Steckel (2010-2013) 1.100
Bradley (impending UFA) 1.000
Gordon (impending UFA) 0.900
Perreault (w/bonus; impending RFA) 0.792
Laing (re-signs yearly) 0.550
S/T 13 Forwards 38.322
Green (2008-2012) 5.250
Poti (impending UFA) 3.500
Schultz (signs 2010-2012) 2.250
Alzner (w/bonus; impending RFA) 1.675
Erskine (impending UFA) 1.250
Carlson (EL 2009-2012) 0.846
Sloan (2010-2012) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 15.471
Varlamov (impending RFA) 0.822
Neuvirth (impending RFA) 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 1.644
Total 22 Players 55.437
Cap Space (Estimated) 59.400
Available 3.963
Available not Including RFAs 12.113
(Fehr, Flash, Schultz & Gordon)

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 12:09 PM | Report abuse

@doughless

I'm not saying I agree with the comparison but when Flash's agent compares him to Plekanec, he is not comparing him to how Pleknaec performed this past season, but he is comparing him to how Plekanec performed in the 2008-2009 season. Because it was after that season that he received his around $2.75M salary.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 12:12 PM | Report abuse

I still like the idea of signing John Madden to a 1-year contract. Of the teams out there looking for a 3rd line center I'd have to think the Caps may be one of his best options(assuming weaker teams aren't going to offer him a huge pile of money).

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 12:16 PM | Report abuse

BTW, cap figures I have above for Flash, Fehr and Schultz are for multi-year deals. Might be a little lower for one year deals, but then again maybe not. Due to the increase in the cap (approx 8%) you will see an across-the-board increase for all salaries by that amount. So, 2.75 for Flash at the old cap is more like 3.0 now for three years.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 12:20 PM | Report abuse

FYI: a list of all plpayers that filed for arbitration... ironically, former cap draft pick Tim Kennedy for the Sabres is there...

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=533841

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 12:25 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see this on anybody's posts since FA started but Kyle Wilson signed with Columbus

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=533664

sad, I kinda liked the kid...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 12:28 PM | Report abuse

Can anyone explain "entry level slide?"

http://www.capgeek.com/players/display.php?id=1248

I thought Carlson would be RFA July 1, 2010 since his EL contract was 2009-2012. Now cap geek shows this slide thing as if it moves due to him playing enough games last year. I thought this was gone and the years the EL were signed for didn't change. Can anyone explain?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Did we miss our chance to trade flash? Are we all prepared to go into a season with him?

Is it him or Semin? Doesn't it have to be?

Posted by: underpants2 | July 6, 2010 12:42 PM | Report abuse

Another thing. Isn't it the signing of John Erkine that is really killing us? Sloan, not great, but can be an extra guy that can play Off/Def. Erskine, $1.25m? Why? Is he tradeable? Can we waive him? We need to get that money off the books. Plus, right now he is a STARTER.

Do we all agree this HAS to be taken care of? No excuse entering the season with Erkine/Sloan starting.

Also, after a playoff collapse like that, doesn't there need to be some kind of shake up? Not resigning the UFA's was expected, but do we think the team needs more? It was pretty embarrassing.

Posted by: underpants2 | July 6, 2010 12:50 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1:
I thought contracts only slid if a player did not play enough games as a pro to count as a season (not sure what that number is).

But Carlson played 40+ and 20+ at the AHL and NHL respectively...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I still wonder if Hjamarlsson from Chicago is an option(reaching a trade with Chicago, not doing an offer sheet).

Chicago is still in deep with its cap situation. Especially since they are playing with $4.19M less than other teams due to the bonus situation.

Niemi filed for arbitration and will more than likely receive more than $3M and some people have reported he could possibly receive $4M. The Hawks still have to finish filling out their roster. So even if they drop Huet in the minors I don't think they'll have enough money for Hjamarlsson.(unless they make other moves)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@sgm:
I just checked out Chicago's cap stuff again and they still look like they are in trouble and need to shed some salary to field an appropriate team...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Headline on espn insider regarding caps:

They could pull off some big trades.

I'm too cheap to pay the $2.50 subscription, so can anyone out there check on this?

I've got a feeling there will be a trade or two--none imminent.

Also, might Guerin be worth a shot?

Posted by: redrocker2 | July 6, 2010 1:28 PM | Report abuse

Frank: Yes, I thought what you thought, so I think cap geek is wrong and Carlson's deal runs out July 1, 2012.

I haven't heard of any RFAs signing offer sheets. Has anyone?

Caps or anyone can offer Hjam, since he didn't file for arbitration, between 2.5-3.0 and the only comp is a #2 pick. Check that, Caps can't do it, we used our 2011 #2 pick for Corvo.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 1:29 PM | Report abuse

There are still a few level headed people making the same point, WRT the Caps inactivity in the free agent market, and I like it!

http://www.japersrink.com/2010/7/6/1553090/singing-the-silly-season-blues

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 6, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

My guess is that Chicago would match any of those deals and hold out to make a trade (unless they thought a 2nd rounder was the most they could receive).

With how many defensemen have signed the suitors for Hjmar have dwindled. It wouldn't suprise me to see the Caps and Hawks work out some sort of deal and then the Caps signing Hjmar for around $3M/yr.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 1:33 PM | Report abuse

I think trades are the best way to go, provided we have something that is a spare that someone will want...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 1:35 PM | Report abuse

@sgm:
I think you are right... no 2011 2nd of our own = no offers to other teams RFA's in that range... Erg!

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

I looked at the ESPN Insider article. It doesn't say much - speculates on moving Semin, but doesn't seem to have anything solid.

Posted by: EricinReston | July 6, 2010 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Here's one paragraph from that Japers Rink link:

"Could the team use an upgrade on defense? Perhaps, but even without it they're likely going to have at least one guy in a third-pair role with the talent to be in the top-four on any other team. Could the team use another second-line center? Perhaps, but there's no guarantee that Johansson or Perreault aren't perfectly capable of filling that role, and if they're not the team has the flexibility to go out and find someone else by the trade deadline."

1) Does Japers REALLY believe Green, Poti, Schultz, Carlson and Alzner would be top 4 on EVERY other team? Really? I don't.

2) Do you give players a chance because there's "no guarantee" that they'll fail? Isn't that backward logic? Aren't you suppose to avoid promoting from the minors until they've pretty much proven they are ready?

Actually, considering MP's play in Hershey, there's little to say he's ready for second line duty in the NHL. You generally want players to dominate at the lower level to move to lines 1 or 2.

I seriously doubt the Caps enter the season w/o acquiring a veteran center. Even Belanger would be something, but he's clearly not up to #2 duty from what we saw last year.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 2:05 PM | Report abuse

I haven't heard of any RFAs signing offer sheets. Has anyone?

________

Halak and Jansen for the Blues.

Halak got 4/15.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

MP's early season stint in DC showed me enough that if he was the opening night #2 Center, I would not be complaining.

Let the kid get some NHL OJT!

Is he on the smallish side? Yes

Do I think he can pot 50+ points on the second line this season? Yes

and before anyone says "well, I could pot 50 points playing with Semin and Fehr/Laich/Flash/whomever!"... conside that B Mo only got 41 points...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Halak signed with STL... 4 years, 15 mil

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=326742

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Halak was a trade first, then a re-signing so technically that's not signing an RFA sheet from another team...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

japers is for homers. that guy wants access to the Caps and ain't gonna get it if he talks smack.

Posted by: doughless | July 6, 2010 2:27 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, by offer sheet, it never, ever happens.

Isn't Penner the only to do it since the lockout?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Perrault had his moments while with the Caps last year, but his production often dropped off after a game or 2. i like the guy, but he is not what the Caps need as a 2nd line center. now if the Caps acquire a 2-way, power forward type to play wing for the 2nd line, maybe the Perrault issue is lessened.

Posted by: doughless | July 6, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

"Homers" pay for 99% of the team's revenue.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

yeah, well in that since i am a homer. in the case of japers, i am talking about folks (and especially media types) that can never find any wrong with the team.

Posted by: doughless | July 6, 2010 2:31 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

MP averaged about a point per game in Hershey. Both during the regular season and the postseason, so there was no slide in his production. This was done with 2nd line minutes because of the Aucoin/Giroux line.

But more importantly, as FrankM73 pointed out. MP showed a lot in his stint with the Caps last year. He slowed down at the end of his stint with the Caps and needs to improve his strength, but he showed, IMO, that he could succeed at this level.

I would also bet a good amount of money that MP is training harder this offseason than any other because of the potential windfall he could receive if he makes the Caps 2nd line. So I do expect him to get stronger, faster, and in better overall shape also.

We are both just projecting the success of a prospect and there is a lot of room for differing opinions on these topics due to unpredictably of NHL success from AHL players or prospects. I respect your opinion, but I have to take the other side on it. I think MP can be a productive 2nd line center in the NHL.

We will both find out in the coming years.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know why we didn't make a run at Halak if he was available?

Posted by: F0X7 | July 6, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I think MP can be a productive 2nd line center in the NHL.

We will both find out in the coming years.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 2:34 PM |

Yeah, but the question that really matters, is do you think he can be a productive 2nd line center in the NHL next year?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:39 PM | Report abuse

I like the idea of hungry unproven guys fighting for a spot on a good team.

I'll take that little guy with a chip on his shoulder in a fight. He may not win, but he is likely to give it everything he has.

Question is, will it be enough?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 6, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I really do.

Now, if the right deal came along to acquire a top notch 2nd line center then I think the Caps should take it. But I don't believe they should overpay a guy who isn't that great.

I don't believe Lombardi was worth his contract to the Caps. Most of his points he got on the PP. He wouldn't have seen much PP time on the Caps.

I'd rather try out the youngsters through the first half of the season and see how they perform.

Also, it is already basically a given that barring the Dallas Stars doing awesome next year (highly unlikely) they will be trading Brad Richards near the trade deadline. The Caps already seem like one of the few teams who be able to trade for him if needed.

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 2:45 PM | Report abuse

I was never big on Lombardi. And I'm not that big on Brad Richards either, he's a "1 zone only" type of player, though he obviously can still put up numbers.

I'm still hoping that a trade comes that brings a #2 center or a d-man over, but I'm not holding my breath. (Regehr, Sarich in Calgary, J. Stoll, Handzus, in LA, etc)

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I think we can save our Brad Richards debates until February. ;)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

I will say this now and refer back to it next off season if needed, hopefully I will not need to:

If MP or MJ is the Caps 2nd line center going into the playoffs next year we will all be just as po'd and disappointed come next May as we were this past May.

I do not think they need to add that solid vet 2nd line center at the beginning of this upcoming season, but.....if they do not secure one at the trade deadline it will be a HUGE mistake to go in the playoffs with an unproven youngster as your 2nd line pivot man.

God I don't want to be as angry and bitter next off season as I have been this one!

Posted by: PhilR | July 6, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

As for centers, this article implies that there is a good chance a few of the Bruins centers will be available. Bergeron would be an awesome grab. However, it does not look like they would want Semin in return because they are looking to dump salary.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/allan_muir/07/06/blackhawks.boughner.zherdev/index.html

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

What if MP puts up 120 points though? :)

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

I love Bergeron.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 6, 2010 2:56 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know why we didn't make a run at Halak if he was available?

Posted by: F0X7 | July 6, 2010 2:36 PM

sure - varly/neuvy - total cap hit: 1.672M
it doesn't mean they are as good as halak - just that they have a 'friendly cap hit'

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I agree with richmondphil in that I don't think MP is ready at this moment for 2 line duty. One more year split between Hershey and DC and then perhaps.

Here kinda my perfect team, or at least it splits the money line by line with how much I'd spend per line and per D-pairing. I tried to use Caps mostly plus recent FA signings and added a few guys from the "i'd like to have" list.

I put Michalek but for his dollar figure, not term. The Caps need that money for goalie.

1-Ovechkin 9.538
1-Backstrom 6.700
1-Knuble 2.800
2-Laich 2.100
2-Staal 4.000
2-Fehr 2.500
3-Cooke 1.800
3-Lombardi 3.500
3-Clutterbuck 1.100
4-Player from Hershey 0.800
4-Veteran Grinder 1.000
4-Bradley 1.000
A. Gordon 0.700
S/T 13 Forwards 37.538
Green 5.250
Volchenkov 4.250
Michalek 4.000
Schultz 2.250
Alzner 1.675
Carlson (EL 2010-2013) 0.817
Sloan (2010-2012) 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 18.942
Varlamov (impending RFA) 0.822
Neuvirth (impending RFA) 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 1.644
Total 22 Players 58.124
Cap Space (Estimated) 59.400
Available 1.276

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR

What if MP puts up 120 points though? :)

Posted by: richmondphil


LOL, good one....When is the last time someone hit 120 points in a season? Been quite some time I think.

I am just very worried about this elitist attitude that GMGM seems to have that we have all the pieces needed when in fact I think we can all agree we are 3-4 pieces away from that championship status.

Posted by: PhilR | July 6, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, but the question that really matters, is do you think he can be a productive 2nd line center in the NHL next year?

----
@ richmondphil:

I think MP will get about 12 goals and 46 assists for 58 Points... and will become more comfortable as the season goes on. he'll do the normal start off hot, cool down a lot and then find his rhythme...

I don't know about you guys and gals but if MP can product 55+ points for less than 1 mil salary, then that's a coup right there for GMGM... and more cap space to use at the trade deadline...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Count me as a guy who "hopes" that MP and/or MJ is ready because they are CHEAP.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | July 6, 2010 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know why we didn't make a run at Halak if he was available?

Posted by: F0X7 | July 6, 2010 2:36 PM

Blues traded 2 prospects for him, and it is questionable whether he is really that good or if he just had a hot streak. He did well for a few games each against Washington and Pittsburgh, but was a no-show against Philly. So that $3.75M/yr might be overpaying him, and it's also more than the Caps want/need to spend on a goalie, with both varly and Neuvirth ready.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 3:13 PM | Report abuse

LOL, good one....When is the last time someone hit 120 points in a season? Been quite some time I think.

I am just very worried about this elitist attitude that GMGM seems to have that we have all the pieces needed when in fact I think we can all agree we are 3-4 pieces away from that championship status.

Posted by: PhilR | July 6, 2010 3:08 PM

Crosby got 120 in his 2nd season ('06-'07). Thornton and Jagr both did in '05-'06. No one else recently that I know of.

The Caps might be 3 pieces away from what they really need, but maybe not. A strong dman who could clear the crease would help a lot, but I wouldn't see it as a necessity. #2 and #3 centers are needed, but we might be able to fill those from within the organization - or they might need to come from the outside. Other than that, the Caps are set.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 6, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Here's the perfectly balanced team. I used averages at positions, putting a little more at forward than D. For instance, the #75 and #115 defensemen would be the statistical avg for the second pair.

1-Forward - Superstar like Ovi 9.000
1-Forward - Young Superstar like Toews 6.300
1-Forward - Vet like Knuble 2.800
2-Forward - Booth/Kostitsyn/Parise 3.250
2-Forward - Avg of 31-60 highest paid 3.500
2-Forward - Young Sniper like fehr 2.500
3-Forward - Vet like Cooke 1.800
3-Forward - Vet Checking Center 1.800
3-Forward - Guy like Clutterbuck 1.100
4-Forward - Young Pesty Guy 0.800
4-Forward - Vet Grinder 1.000
4-Forward - Young Guy like AGordon 0.700
Extra Forward 0.800
S/T 13 Forwards 35.350
1st Pair - Top 10 Guy 6.200
1st Pair - Top 45 Guy 3.500
2nd Pair - Top 75 Guy 2.750
2nd Pair - Top 115 Guy 1.600
3rd Pair - Vet 1.100
3rd Pair - Entry Level 0.900
Extra Defenseman 0.700
S/T 7 Defensemen 16.750
Average of Top 10 Goalies 6.000
Veteran Back-Up 0.800
S/T 2 Goalies 6.800
Total 22 Players 58.900
Cap Space (Estimated) 59.400
Available 0.500

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 3:26 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR & timmy:

One could very easily make the case that the caps are 3 pieces away from being the odds on favorite to win the Cup this year and contend for several years to come...

a solid #3 physical D, a solid #2 Center, a solid starting Goaltender.

fact is, Carlson, MP/MJ, SV/MN could easily all fit the bill for these needs... AND be done in-house much cheaper than FA signings...

-Carlson (with Alzner) could be the 2 D that really solidify the core.
-Perrault or Johansson could possibly put up 50+ points.
-Varly or Nuevy will battle it out for #1... and both have shown to be strong mentally...

the fact is, a little patience with the kids, could pay off in spades this season...

Posted by: FrankM73 | July 6, 2010 3:31 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73

I agree. But I would like the Caps to kick the tires on Hjamarlsson to see what it would take to acquire him(having him be the 6th defenseman would be nice) and possibly sign John Madden to be the 3rd line center (if he will accept a reasonable 1 yr deal)

Posted by: sgm3 | July 6, 2010 3:45 PM | Report abuse

Look what happens. None of the pessimists are here today, just the optimists.

Suddenly, like my drive this morning through the canyon, the clouds are about to dissapate and the sun will blanket the valley.

I won't fall for it. I'm not going to believe the optimists any more than I believe the pessimists.

As is usuall the case, the truth is somewhere in the middle.

underpants2...cstanton1...joek443...doughless...where are you all to bring the rain on the parade?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

underpants2...cstanton1...joek443...doughless...where are you all to bring the rain on the parade?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | July 6, 2010 4:11 PM

i have a rose colored umbrella that keeps me protected (that and my head up gmgm's *ss - apparently)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 6, 2010 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Caps sign B. Gordon - new post.

Posted by: zmega | July 6, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Will Semin play for another NHL team besides Washington? I mean the guy doesn't even speak English in public. I imagine that the only way to get Semin on your team is to have a strong Russian Presence. In other words he seems like a prime candidate to go to the KHL.

Posted by: RedskinsXXVI | July 6, 2010 7:53 PM | Report abuse

why is it that no one talks about giroux--big guy, w/big numbers in the ahl???

Posted by: ovckn8 | July 6, 2010 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Correct on Flash, but maybe you should watch Schultz play. He is quite good at defense, but he can't do it without Green - who was pretty bad in the playoffs. As for his +/- ... he went even against New Jersey, +3 against Buffalo, +8 against Pittsburgh, +2 against Ottawa, +4 against Boston, +4 against Philly, and +3 against Montreal. For a total of +24 against Eastern Conference playoff teams - out of +50. That's nearly half of his total. Know what you're talking about before spewing that kind of garbage.

Posted by: timmyv38 | July 5, 2010 10:38 PM | Report abuse

sorry but schultz is quite terrible.....i think you need to start actually watching him play instead of judging his skills based on plus/minus one of the most decieving stats ever created.

Posted by: velo_matt | July 7, 2010 7:36 AM | Report abuse

Here's what's annoying sometimes: When most of us went to college, graduated, and then went out for job interviews, were we really turned away because we didn't have the experience they wanted? Weren't our mindsets that if we went to college, that someone would take a chance on us given that we had a degree that said we at least have the basics to do a job in a particular field? Now, in the case of our men in Hershey, why would we dismiss their success and achievements in the AHL and not give them an opportunity to see if their skills would translate to similar success in the NHL? So, it behooves me to have to scroll through mind-numbing posts that says none of our rather successful Hershey affiliates "aren't" what we're looking for when we haven't really given them the opportunity to try and play a season. A handful of games? Meh. That isn't enough. Give them a shot. Like someone said, let them fight for a position. And I'm done.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 7, 2010 12:13 PM | Report abuse

Fleischmann should not be brought back period. For any amount. Schultz for no more than 2 million a year, though apparently that boat has sailed. Fehr is comparable to Latendresse and ideally should get 2.5 million for 2 years or 3 million for 3-4 years. I don't mind overpaying him slightly as long as we lock him up for long. He's about to break out in a huge way.

Posted by: yellowtail99 | July 7, 2010 8:24 PM | Report abuse

Lombardi seems pretty underrated around here. He's not an excellent #2 like Bergeron or Kesler, but he has gamebreaking speed (something we pretty sorely lack) and put up good numbers in a very offensively restrictive system with Tippett, while being one of their best playoff performers against the wings. He instantly becomes our best shorthanded threat and a good puckhound and defensive anchor at even strength. At worst Chimera-Lombardi-Fehr is one of the top 5 third lines in the league. Going into the season with BOTH #2 and #3 spots given to rookies is not a recipe for success.

Wish we had gone after Mike Fisher. He's exactly what the team needs.

Posted by: yellowtail99 | July 7, 2010 8:32 PM | Report abuse

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