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Posted at 3:08 PM ET, 02/18/2011

More on the trade deadline from Caps GM George McPhee

By Katie Carrera

If you haven't already, check out the stories and blog posts from the past few days that discuss what moves the Capitals might make at the rapidly-approaching NHL trade deadline. From the need for a second-line center and which players around the league might fill that void, to what else Washington could consider from bolstering the blue line to adding a skilled forward.

One thing General Manager George McPhee said he does not intend to do, though, is alter the Capitals' goaltending.

"No. We're sticking with these goaltenders. They're playing well and we like them a lot," McPhee said. "They've been good for us this year. We're pleased with what they've been doing. We're confident in the goaltenders we're not making any changes there...Whatever else may happen is hard to define right now."

One certainty, though, is not all the players are waiting for the deadline to make moves, particularly those teams that are on a definite rebuilding track. Here are some of the more notable trades that have already taken place since Feb. 9:


  • Boston acquired D Tomas Kaberle from Toronto for F Joe Colborne, 2011 first-round pick and 2012 conditional second-round pick.

  • Anaheim acquired D Francois Beauchemin from Toronto for F Joffrey Lupul, D Jake Gardiner and a conditional fourth-round pick in 2013

  • Chicago acquired winger Michael Frolik and G Alexander Salak from Florida for forwards Jack Skille, Hugh Jessiman and David Pacan.

  • Nashville acquired center Mike Fisher from Ottawa for a first round pick in 2011 and a conditional second- or third-round pick in 2012.

  • Philadelphia acquired winger Kris Versteeg for a first and third-round pick in 2011.

  • Boston acquired center Chris Kelly from Ottawa for a second-round pick in 2011.

  • Montreal acquired D Paul Mara from Anaheim for a fifth-round pick in 2012.

  • Anaheim acquired F Jarkko Ruutu from Ottawa for a sixth-round pick in 2011

As you might have noticed, there are a lot of players being sent out of Ottawa as General Manager Bryan Murray tries to stockpile picks, and other teams may soon follow suit. It's hard to know exactly what teams might have been in play for Fisher, but he would have likely been in the running as a target for the Capitals prior to being traded to Nashville.

McPhee didn't divulge any details of what type of timeline he might look at, and a lot depends on when certain deals fall in place, but it's no secret more time with a new team gives a new player more time to gel with the rest of the group. Aside from some of the teams that know they won't make the playoffs, though, there may be a league-wide reluctance to make trades if still in the hunt.

That's the unknown part of the deadline with so much parity in the NHL.

"There was a time when it was a much bigger marketplace and there were lots of things to talk about," McPhee said. "It's a smaller marketplace now. There are still lots of things to talk about because there are people who are trying to not only do something for this year but make a difference for next year as well. And there are no-trade clauses or simply bad contracts that really can complicate things."

By Katie Carrera  | February 18, 2011; 3:08 PM ET
Categories:  George McPhee, Trade deadline  
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Comments

GMGM smoke screens. What's the over/under he trades a goalie?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 18, 2011 3:18 PM | Report abuse

McPhee references bad contracts complicating things.

Poti?

Posted by: underpants2 | February 18, 2011 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

No. The debate in front office/ownership about whether they want to bring a perceived bad one back. So yeah, you can chew on that and attempt to figure it out.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Jason Arnott!

Posted by: Green-ery | February 18, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Carolina and SJ just apparently made two separate trades. One was involving a prospect. Then it appears Carolina is sending Ian White to SJ.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Arnott would be great but NJ is making a push. 8-1-1 in last 10 and only 12 points out of 8th seed. The teams around them will be selling off parts ... will be interesting.

Posted by: flee001 | February 18, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Its alright. We'll get the garbage heap scraps again. And overpay for it as usual.

McPhee. You ain't happy with the team you built? Well, we ain't happy with your sorry a__ either.

And if you seriously feel the PP is the only thing holding back this team, I shudder to think what kind of trade scenario you're dreaming up.

Because last time i checked, the PP unit isn't responsible for the team giving close to a 60 min effort every night. Your problems run deeper my dimwitted friend.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta just got a LOT better. And bigger. At least on their regular roster.

Atlanta gets Mark Stuart and Blake Wheeler for Peverley and Valabik (definitely a fringe type of player but maybe gets a bigger shot in the B's organization).

Atlanta sure likes the bigger guys. I have no idea why Stuart fell out of favor in Boston.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Ha...exactly. Or the PP won't help concel the fact that you have not been able to dress 4 nhl lines since training camp.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 18, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Can now add to the list of trades - Toronto's Kaberle to Boston in return for Colborne and draft picks - 1 hour ago.

Posted by: rockdaredlangely | February 18, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat & pokerface

I love what Im hearing from you two (assuming a certain player I like isnt being mentioned). I got engrossed in lots of work and came back to seeing trades in the NHL and then rumors of Caps working on things. Oh how I wish this started on Monday so I the work week would have flew by faster, rather than my weekend.

Hmm bad contracts taken in for a 2C/Top6 W huh...time to ponder.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | February 18, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@TSNBobMcKenzie: Ian White has been told he is now a San Jose Shark.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 18, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

I guess McPhee couldn't get involved in that trade either.

Man...his hands must be numb from sitting on them. Maybe he can get Ted to rub them.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Underpants2 wrote: Bad contract Poti?

Nope if he is referring to anyone it's gotta be Nylander! Man that one hurt big time....

Posted by: us11231 | February 18, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Hope the Kaberle to B's rumor is true. Glad Kaberle isn't on the Caps. I'm sure we tried to get him though.

Too bad we couldn't get involved in the Stuart/Wheeler deal.

even worse, Atlanta again proves they know how to make trades happen. No excuses from them.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

A logical move for the Caps (both in terms of their own strengths and what other teams might be asking for) would be to deal Neuvy and bring in a veteran goalie to backup Varly for the playoffs (or take the reins if Varly struggles). I dont care what GMGM said... I wouldn't be surprised if he made this move.

Posted by: chombie13 | February 18, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the need to trade for a d-man, the elephant in the room is Green's condition. Certainly the team is trying to minimize the concern about Green's health, but his return for one game, then missing a couple, then seeing a specialist does not sound good. I thought the D looked shaky last night. Carlson is playing a lot of minutes against elite competition and had a few mishaps against the Sharks. Erskine is looking like he may be getting a bit worn down, although he showed more speed than I thought he had chasing down an odd-man rush late in the game. Certainly, the team does not want to be in the position of having to use Sloan in the playoffs.

Posted by: zmega | February 18, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Neuvy being moved would suck but not if it brings in a solid 2C. A vet goalie adds nothing at this point, why let Theo leave then?

Posted by: flee001 | February 18, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

watch we will make a trade with edmonton and get khabibulin and hemskey..

Posted by: samb99 | February 18, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

From the last thread:
@POGUEHOCKEY:
"Gabby should be fired. ... For those who disagree...examples - Pittsburgh fired there coach / won a cup! Chicago fired there coach / won a cup. Flyers fired there coach / went to the cup"

It's always very easy to post the success stories.

Last year, the Blues fired Andy Murray after they only amassed 40 points by January 2. They brought in Davis Payne and didn't qualify for the playoffs. They are currently sitting in last place in their division this year 13th out of 15th in the west. After ending last season with 90 points, they appear to be on track for a 77 point season this year.

Last year, the Blue Jackets fired Ken Hitchcock. After his replacement Claude Noel came on board, the team went 10-8-6 and failed to qualify for the playoffs and finished last place in their division. Scott Arniel came on board this season and they are still pretty far from getting a platoff berth.

Sometimes, firing a coach does not result in the successes that Bylsma and Quenneville enjoyed.

Look at Peter Laviolette. You cite him when he was hired by the Flyers and took them to the finals. He was one that got fired midseason because the Hurricanes started out 11-7-2. If he is such a miracle coach, why was he fired from the Hurricanes?

Firing coaches mid-season is a gamble. Sometimes it pays off, most of the time it doesn't. Citing 4-5 examples of successful coaching changes out of the hundreds that occurred doesn't exactly give it good odds, especially not this late in the season.

Posted by: sabredc | February 18, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

In my opinion St Louis or Columbus will be the teams we talk with. Obviously Senators and Oiler. Maybe Flordia. That is it. Those five teams have what we want mostly.

Posted by: pkme | February 18, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

sabre

you gotta pick the RIGHT coach. Its not just a matter of chance.

No one said firing Bruce alone is the answer. You gotta pick the right coach. If you fire Bruce and hire a Bruce Cassidy, then that's pretty stupid.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

Certainly, the team does not want to be in the position of having to use Sloan in the playoffs.

Posted by: zmega

I'll take Sloan over Poti. He's younger, stronger, and makes some nice aggressive plays in the neutral zone and he's better along the boards and in the crease.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

Can we wait til the deadline is in fact OVER before we get all crazy again? Gee I wonder what these boards will be like now for the next 10 days every time a trade is made. Nobody moved yet woulda been earth shattering.

Boston overpaid HUGE! That being said they were a very strong team before and just got better. The only way Boston wins in this deal is if they either extend Kaberle or win it this year. Risky move. Glad he's not in DC.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

i expect nothing from this donk!

Posted by: doughless | February 18, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

pokerface1208

samething said about pronger and the flyers went to the finals and poised to again

Posted by: samb99 | February 18, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

From the people that appear to know Kaberle and the B's are both open to negotiating an extension.

Boston and Atlanta both got better today.

Carolina will get better, they shed White and will most likely now pursue one of the top D remaining out there and a F. Thats my guess anyway.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:20 PM | Report abuse

eric brewer gone to tampa we lose out on him also

Posted by: samb99 | February 18, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

TB just got a lot better on D. Acquired Eric Brewer from STL

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy and now Tampa's gotten better. Eric Brewer waived his NTC to go to Tampa!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

nice for Tampa

They need an Eric Brewer type. Brewer since he became captain has really stepped up his overall game. He used to be kinduva bigger guy who leaned towards a more finesse style. He's become more involved and to get a big mobile fairly rugged dman like Brewer is good for Tampa.

Guess McPhee thought Schultz and Poti will lead us to the promised land.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

Oh boy and now Tampa's gotten better. Eric Brewer waived his NTC to go to Tampa!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse

maybe you can't blame McPhee for the deal. Brewer probably wouldn't waive his NTC to get dumped here. Can't say I blame him.

Can't wait to see the prizes McPhee lands. And the predictable self-congratulatory praise that will come soon after. Oh boy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Quite a few pretty big moves this early before the deadly. Looks like teams are realizing it's not very smart to wait until the last minute when teams are running out of options and all bidding on the same players. Hope McPhee's doing more than thinking about what players might be good to get. At this rate there won't be anyone left at the deadline.

Posted by: Stu_c | February 18, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Sloan over Poti. - CStanton

I think that falls in the "faint praise" category. You may be right, but he looked very nervous when he had to make decisions with the puck last night. Maybe that is a function of limited playing time lately. I thought Sloan looked OK at wing a few times last year, but I don't recall seeing him get any time this year as a forward.

Posted by: zmega | February 18, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

It'll be the same one that every other GM says on Feb 28 at 3:01pm EST. Haven't we seen enough of these? Granted the conference call changes. You have the one from a team rebuilding, there's another one when you're just trying to make the playoffs, another when you're trying to run deep and another when you're a contender. They all say the same thing don't they?

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@pokerface

All but Brian Burke. You never know what he is going to say.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Caps acquire Joe Corvo for a 2nd and a prospect!

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Brewer to Tampa. Everyone one else in playoff position in the east is getting better except the Caps. I wonder if players are saying no way to the Caps considering how crappy the Caps are doing?

Can Ted please can BB now, who wants to play for this guy? No one who wants to win the in the playoffs, that's for sure.

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS2 | February 18, 2011 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Sloan over Poti. He's younger, stronger, and makes some nice aggressive plays in the neutral zone and he's better along the boards and in the crease.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

HAHAHHAHAH. Please. Nothing against Sloan, he seems like a good soldier who has stuck with it and is making the best of his opportunity. But he is not even close to the player a healthy Poti is, particularly in the playoffs. Poti was excellent vs. Montreal and had he been in there for game seven...well, we probably would have lost anyway, but he was solid for the five plus games he played.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | February 18, 2011 4:35 PM | Report abuse

my bad on the Corvo trade guys, i misread google. This was the blockbuster trade McPhee pulled off LAST year. A steal I tell ya!


(my insider sources have revealed however there is a 35% chance that Corvo ends up here again this year so all you fans with Corvo jerseys from last yr, don't sell em just yet)

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

TB only had to give up a second round pick to get Brewer.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:36 PM | Report abuse

and maybe a prospect...different reports out there.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Right..

Tampa lands Brewer for a 2nd. And we gave up a 2nd AND a prospect to get Corvo.

McPhee=idiot. No offence.

dcsportsfan, you really don't know what you're talkin about. And too bad Poti didn't get to face teams with a more furious forecheck. The Habs forwards for the most part were fairly easy for the Caps. Travis Moen and Plekanec were the only 2 forwards who gave us any kind of a forecheck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

pokerface and pat - was brewer one you were projecting to caps.

Posted by: samb99 | February 18, 2011 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Caps sign Poti to a re-extension.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Caps sign Poti to a re-extension.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@samb99

Not to my knowledge. If we go after a D their plan was a cheap depth guy. Me and pokerface have both said Martinek is a possibility so that is at least something we've both been told.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:43 PM | Report abuse

Teams who have improved in the past 2 weeks.

Montreal
Carolina
Philly
Tampa
Atlanta
Boston (debatable... I like Peverly and I like Chris Kelly but I still think they screwed up by trading Stuart)


The Caps, Pens, and Raggers are the only ones who haven't improved.

Wonder where Chris Neil or Phillips will end up...

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Now it appears the Brewer deal was a prospect and 3rd round pick.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

No. The debate in front office/ownership about whether they want to bring a perceived bad one back. So yeah, you can chew on that and attempt to figure it out.

Posted by: ThePat

Hmmm, a bad contract coming back. So it would have to have at least one more year remaining. Boyes possibly. Maybe Penner. I'm not sure. That is a tough one to think about.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Leafs also made good moves for the future. Depends on who they pick up in the draft but I like Burke's spoken philosophy of not trying to improve just to make the playoffs (and save his job) and get spanked in the 1st round. The prize should always be to enter the playoffs with a strong team.

Caps, you listenin?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

Boston definitely improved. I know you dont like Kaberle, but he can move the puck and will help their PP a lot. They have enough guys that can play D so he wont have to worry about that too much.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:47 PM | Report abuse

No, if the Caps are gonna upgrade their D, it'll most likely be with a better player than Brewer. He's having a good yr for sure. He's been on some bad teams so it's hard to tell. St Louis is improving now so who knows? Good move by both teams though. TB needs all the help it can get back there. They don't have much depth but they just got deeper that's for sure.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 4:48 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

No...more than 1 year and more money then them and a C. My guess on that, with no names given to me, the two possibilities are Ribiero and Statsny.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 4:50 PM | Report abuse

McPhee is such a dumbass, it's unbelievable. Anybody could've done what he did by tearing down the rebuilding and acquiring a ton of 1st rd picks.

This team is spinning it's wheels now, and will be to one extent or another as long as that fool is guiding the ship.

Having an elite GM in the hard cap era is as, or more, important than having elite players.

GMGM will be the death of this rebuilding effort. Book it.

Ted is the only one that can give us a chance (no guarantee) of doing something of significance in the Ovechkin era. Every day that he stick with McPhee, is another day in the wrong direction. Put the donut down and do something Mr. Business of Crappiness!

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Ribiero? That one flew under the radar.

Posted by: Steve_R | February 18, 2011 4:55 PM | Report abuse

It's obvious that the team needs no help at all. They had 121 points last year and then only 5 bad days in April. If you people knew anything about the game, you'd be in it.

-GM

Posted by: Hatfield223 | February 18, 2011 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Boston overpaid HUGE!
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False. Boston did NOT give up all that much, for what they got. Kabs supposedly only would agree to one team, meaning there's a good chance he re-ups with them. Colborne's wicked tall yeah, but so what, he's also slow and soft - not traditionally a combo destined for NHL success [unless you're GMGM]. Not saying Kaberle was what we needed, but highlighting that Boston just significantly addressed a weakness - a puck-moving d-man - by getting one of the

Also: Kaberle is a good all-around d-man, who, like most elite guys who run the power play at that level [Gonchar, Visnovsky, Timonen, Enstrom], more than holds his own against 2--4 lines, but struggles against a few #1 lines on the very top teams. As in, like everyone else not named Nick Lidstrom [sorry boys, even Pronger gets exposed against some #1s, ie., quick power forwards, as Chi's Hossa, Kane, Toews et al proved last spring].

Boston did NOT give up all that much, for what they got. Kabs supposedly only would agree to one team, meaning there's a good chance he re-ups with them. Colborne's tall yeah, but so what, he's also slow and soft - not traditionally a combo destined for NHL success [unless you're source is GMGM]. Not saying Kaberle was what we needed, but highlighting that Boston just significantly addressed a weakness - a puck-moving d-man - by getting one of the best in the business.

The "Boston overpaid" nonsense garbage, spouted by Canadian homers at TSN, most of whom have never played at a high level.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

Boston absolutely needed a good puck moving defenseman. They got probably the best one available. Not what we need but the Bruins certainly did.

LMFAO! I just hope the very 1st deal announced by us is one of a bit larger substance b/c if it's another Jurcina deal, I think the CI will crash!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 4:58 PM | Report abuse

How has Carolina and Montreal really improved?

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 4:59 PM | Report abuse

You't think Brewer was the second coming to Nick Lidstrom with some of these comments.

He's argueably equivalent to Schultz, but is 7 years older and takes way more penalties. We didn't need him

Posted by: DaleHunter | February 18, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

@SteveR

I say taht bc he has a limited NTC. His salary is more than we probably want to take on but could make work.

If Dallas gets a roster player and a first rounder that gives them a C and an extra pick. Plus by clearing Ribiero off the books, Dallas won't have any trouble bringing back Richards.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:00 PM | Report abuse

Pat

only on a team like Boston, would Kaberle be a good fit. I don't think its a bad trade for them. Kaberle is a situational player at this point in his career. He's not going to be relied on as a shutdown dman.

On the Caps blueline he wouldn't have been a good fit. But Boston has a plethora of rugged defensive dmen and Kaberle is protected in that lineup because he wont' be as exposed and can still provide situational offensive play.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

And the truth is that this team is much further than just the PP clicking from being a legit contender. We were doomed this past offseason when Mr. Constipated did nothing. I've been saying that since day one and nothing has changed. Doing nothing is the best move for the simple fact that whatever he does won't come close to addressing our needs. There are certain teams that we will have no chance against in a 7-game series regardless.

The ONE AND ONLY move that needs to be made is by Leonsis. The sooner he gets off his big lard ass and cans McPhee, the sooner we have at least a chance of doing something meaningful. It's no guarantee but it is a guarantee at this point that McPhee does not have the vision and feel to complete this process.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Boston overpaid HUGE! *pokerface1208*
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False. Boston did NOT give up all that much, for what they got. Kabs supposedly only would agree to one team, meaning there's a good chance he re-ups with them
*Timbo1*
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Hey bro, read the rest MO ron! :)

Here's the whole paragraph. Read slooow.

"Boston overpaid HUGE! That being said they were a very strong team before and just got better. The only way Boston wins in this deal is if they either extend Kaberle or win it this year. Risky move. Glad he's not in DC."

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 5:04 PM | Report abuse

He's argueably equivalent to Schultz, but is 7 years older and takes way more penalties. We didn't need him

Posted by: DaleHunter |

how does a fan with the dalehunter name consistently dog other players who take penalties? do you even know who dale hunter was? by your definitions, Dale would've been the last player you'd want on your team.

wanna know how many PIMs Pronger has taken over his career? Does he suck too? How about Scott Stevens? How about Adam Foote in his heyday? Jason Smith? These names ring any bells? Brewer isn't of that calibre but to dismiss him because of his penalties is a tad shortsighted.


i'll tell you one thing...he's a helluva lot better than Joe Corvo! And apparently cheaper to get. go figure

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

No...more than 1 year and more money then them and a C. My guess on that, with no names given to me, the two possibilities are Ribiero and Statsny.

Posted by: ThePat

Ribiero, now that would seem like a GMGM move. I never even thought of him, but that would make a lot of sense on both sides. And with Dallas' ownership troubles, getting out of big contracts is important to them Especially if they want to re-sign Richards. Maybe getting rid of Ribiero is a necessity to re-sign Richards.

However, having Ribiero at $5M for the next two years is a pretty big contract. That would be a tough decision. If the trade was for some combination of picks and prospects(and maybe a decent roster player) how would you feel about acquiring him given his contract restraints?

I can't see Colorado getting rid of Statsny. He is part of their young rebuild that they want to build around. They are barely to the cap floor too. I'd be shocked if they dealt Stastny.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:05 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

I never said Kaberle would be a fit here. Never wanted him here. But he helps Boston, that is all I was saying.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

i love how Brewer is equivalent to Schultz..lol, you apparenlty never watched Eric Brewer.

He's always been a strong skating offensive dman who was decent defensively but not great. And he also sticks up for his teammates in scrums and will occasionally drop the gloves.

Does that remind you of Jeff Schultz?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:07 PM | Report abuse

never said you did Pat. Just clarifying why I didn't like him :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:08 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Also, just to throw out another name with too large of a contract, how about Jason Spezza. (I know his contract is way too big to ever work but just wanted to throw his name out there)

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ribiero, now that would seem like a GMGM move
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not hardly.

When was the last time GM acquired even a mildly physical center? Ribiero's a guy (unlike Nylander or BMo) who can operate in high traffic areas and doesn't cave in like a house of cards when he gets hit. I'd take Ribiero.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

fair enough and i understand why you dont.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:10 PM | Report abuse

LMMFAO @ thinking that Mike F'n Ribiero makes an ounce of sense for this soft ass team. He is about the worst possible addition for this group. That means McPhee may do it.

You morons must buy the garbage that McPhail spewed about us being the PP clicking away from the cup. LMAO!

If GMGM bent over, guys like sgm would be fighting to be first in line.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse

With all these moves being done now, there won't be much to talk about at the deadline. What are they going to talk about on TSN's trade deadline show? That looks like it may be sort of a boring day with only a bunch minor trades being made.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:13 PM | Report abuse

@sgm

just bringing up guys that havent been discussed before. If you get Spezza you cant make any other moves. A Ribiero would still allow you to go get Umberger(or someone similar) to play the Wing if Poti goes on LTIR or if a roster player is moved. Just trying to make a point that McPhee always thinks outside the box. Sometimes its for the good, sometimes its for the bad.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

You gotta be kidding, cstanton. Ribieiro has some of the best hands in the league but he makes zero sense for this group. On a team that has the right cast of players, he could make sense in a similar way that Kaberle makes sense for Boston.

No way to Ribiero...

This is f'n unreal...

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Do I care how many PIMs Hunter, Stevens, Pronger, et al, have? You're just throwing names out there to fit your arguement, as usual, because you're always right. Plus, you always have to verbally berate other posters to try and gain the upper hand. You're a tough guy behind the veil of secrecy known as the internet.

My point is/was, do we need another Brewer on this team? The answer is no.

I don't seem to recall dogging any other players because of PIMs, maybe you have me confused with someone else?

Posted by: DaleHunter | February 18, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Having an elite GM in the hard cap era is as, or more, important than having elite players.
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So good it bears repeating. True statement, tmac.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

lol... this is yet another doomed era of Caps hockey. At least 8 won some MVP awards and we got a Pres Trophy to piss in.

F McPhee!

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

so rather than bash everything, who do you want for 2C? Or think are realistic possibilites.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:17 PM | Report abuse

If GMGM bent over, guys like sgm would be fighting to be first in line.

Posted by: tmac2yao

That seemed a little unnecssary.

And it seems as though tmac2yao and cstanton1 have a strong difference of opinion on Ribiero. Who is right on this one?

Is Ribiero, as cstanton says, "a guy (unlike Nylander or BMo) who can operate in high traffic areas and doesn't cave in like a house of cards when he gets hit. I'd take Ribiero."

or is Ribiero, as tmac2yao says, "LMMFAO @ thinking that Mike F'n Ribiero makes an ounce of sense for this soft ass team. He is about the worst possible addition for this group."

Hmmmmm......

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:18 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

so rather than bash everything, who do you want for 2C? Or think are realistic possibilites.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:17 PM |

Read my few posts again you dimwit.

The answer is to do nothing. We aren't even close. I said this since the offseason.

I'm not pissed because of the other moves being made. I'm just reminded on days like today how unbelievably incompetent McPhee is in general.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:19 PM | Report abuse

whoa tmac..chill bro

thepat is a good guy.

you may have confused him with sgm in your haste to bash :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

Mike f'n Ribiero... lmao.

Might as well set ourselves further back since we ain't goin' nowhere anyway.

One step closer to the next rebuild that will hopefully be managed by an above average GM. A superior GM won't guarantee a thing but it will give us a chance which we definitely do not have right now.

Wake up, you Kool-Aid drinkin' McPhee sniffers!

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:21 PM | Report abuse

If GMGM bent over, guys like sgm would be fighting to be first in line.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:11 PM | Report abuse
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LMFAO! Whether true or not that made me laugh. I hope sgm is short. (oops)

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

Why is everyone so hostile in here today? None of the players that were traded today would have really helped The Capitals, if it was GMGM that made the move.

Posted by: j3rockstar | February 18, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I'll stand by my opinion of Ribiero. I consider him in the Backstrom category of physicality. Definitely above an Eric Belanger type. And for a #2 center type, that's not bad. He's not Mike Fisher but he is Mike Ribiero.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

Thats fine, I dont read every one of your posts. You do post about 6 million times a week. If you dont think they should do anything I understand that way of thinking.

To me they are 2 players away. We disagree obviously.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:23 PM | Report abuse

I think pigs are flying...

In a few weeks, I bet cstanton will be buying a Schultzy jersey.

Schultzy such a good boy. He's nicer than my grandma!

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@tmac

Thats fine, I dont read every one of your posts. You do post about 6 million times a week. If you dont think they should do anything I understand that way of thinking.

To me they are 2 players away. We disagree obviously.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:23 PM

Here's 6,000,001: Get your head outta your ass, you tool!

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:25 PM | Report abuse

We're 4 players away. Away from entering the playoffs with a solid team that is.

3 forwards, one dman. Our role players don't cut it for a Stanley Cup team. Its more than just a 2nd line center and a dman.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:26 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

I agree that Spezza wouldn't work for the reasons you mentioned. The main negative in acquiring Ribiero is the effect his contract will have on the next two years. But that is something than can be figured out in the summer.

If the Caps were able to get Ribiero and Poti went on LTIR, I would think their other acquisition would be a D-man, unless they made 3 acquisitions and got a winger also. Even if Poti isn't out, getting a guy like Martinek would make sense so Sloan would not be the Caps 7th D-man.

If the acquire two forwards(one C and one W) I would assume that only one of them would have a contract that went beyond this year. You do not want to take on too much salary for long periods of time.

Other guys with poor contracts are a lot of the Devils forwards. Maybe Zajac, but his contract isn't too big. Vermette from Columbus has a very long contract that could be a problem. Just throwing out names here.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

j3rockstar - it's easier that way, don't you get it?

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

We have exactly 1.5 defensemen with cojones.

Erskine has balls.

Green has half a sack. Still way too soft but that would be okay if he were the softest or one of the softest d-men on a team given his role and skillset.

I don't count Sloan since he simply isn't an NHL d-man no matter how good his work ethic is. He utterly lacks the defensive awareness and composure to play the position at this level.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:29 PM | Report abuse

tmac finally cracked.

damn.

we lost another one in the flood.

F U McPhee.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 5:30 PM | Report abuse

so rather than bash everything, who do you want for 2C? Or think are realistic possibilites.

Posted by: ThePat
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A fair question - and as an admitted basher, only fair I take a shot at it. It's got to be someone who would thrive in a bigger role, right? But is pushed out of a spot, so he can't prove himself - so we know there are said guys out there, they're discovered every season [just by other GMs - sorry, couldn't resist]. I.e., guys like:
Leino - picked up for a song
Grabner - likely Calder winner - did he even cost the Isles a bag of pucks?
Bobrovsky - I comforted myself that Philthy would once again suck in net, boy was I wrong on that - did he even cost Homer anything?
Meszaros - yeah, big $K, but so what, he's their #1 pair next year's playoffs.

It's a long list - but you've got to think outside the box. Canadian guys [Mike Fisher] are pretty well picked over at this point, you're going to pay a steep price at the deadline for 'em. But there are guys out there.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 5:31 PM | Report abuse

I thought Carlson was tougher and he still may get there in the right environment but it looks like the Schultzies and the Potties are rubbing off on him during a critical stage in his development.

McPhee's gotta go!

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:32 PM | Report abuse

tmac finally cracked.

damn.

we lost another one in the flood.

F U McPhee.
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Dude my cubicle mates are wondering why I'm laughing to myself like an idiot. Not cool man ;-)

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

The D corps isnt changing. The type of player we need there is a Doug Murray type. But their arent that many of them in the league anymore sadly.

People keep saying Chris Phillips, I dont think he improves this team at all. Him 5 years ago sure, but not now. If we could get Barret Jackman from the Blues that is a guy that would help. Maybe a Jackman for Schultz swap.

A 2C and a Winger would be good enough to give us a chance to go places in the playoffs. How far who knows.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 5:36 PM | Report abuse

I'll say this, we will definately know by 3:01pm EST if GMGM has any intention at all at making a run for the Cup this year.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Anybody going to the Buffalo game on Sunday?

Posted by: RITdude | February 18, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

I thought Carlson was tougher
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He is a tough kid, but he's a rookie playing 25 mins and going against the other team's best line most nights. Those aren't easy minutes, and going for the big hit against some of those guys and they'll make you look silly - a thought that I'm sure has occurred to the young man, on occasion. Top line guys on good teams are freaking really good hockey players; you're working you're @zz off just to keep up.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 5:40 PM | Report abuse

And I think it was sgm that equated Gill and Schmutz the other day because of the simple fact that they're both big and slow.

That's in line with typical shallow sgm logic and comparisons.

Let's put it this way: Have you ever even seen Schultz scowl? A half scowl?

He's as soft as they come mentally and the reason I have no faith in the big marshmallow is that you just can't change a guy's personality much at this point in their development. No matter how positionally sound and good with his stick he is, Schultz will never be a legit top 4 d-man on a cup-contending team. He probably wouldn't even get on the ice on several of the legit cup contenders and he was one of our Top 2 at one point! Even worse is that he plays on a team managed by GMGM, meaning that he will never be surrounded by the requisite toughness to not only compensate for his lack of but he won't even be pushed to step it up in that area.

Does sgm stand for sniffing George McPhee?

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Completely agreed on Phillips. He might be in the A by this time next year.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it was Mara you drew the comparison with but the exact some point stands.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:44 PM | Report abuse

@Timbo_1

GMGM got Hendricks, a guy who fell through the cracks. That seems to be a good acquisition.

I do find it hilarious how people are panicking because GMGM didn't make a move today. If the none of the guys who got moved today were being targeted by GMGM, then it is meaningless. If those trades that happened today, didn't actually happen until Wednesday, would you still be flipping out? It would have about the same impact.

Like others have said, wait until 3:01 pm on February 28th, then you can flip out or be happy with the moves GMGM made.

Patience people, to quote a great songwriter, "All we need is just a little patience"

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:47 PM | Report abuse

tmac: You should really try drinking. Then maybe you wouldn't be so fkn nasty on a Friday afternoon. You are never this nasty, so I am wondering if someone is stealing your ID.

I think the caps can bring on a semi-big contract IF McPhee can figure out a way to dump some of our own contracts back. Like say if you want Penner, you make them take Chimera to go along with the #1 and the mid-level prospect. McPhee actually did well with that last year when he moved Clark for Chimera because Columbus wanted Jurcina.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 5:49 PM | Report abuse

So Yzerman addresses a flaw immediately, right after the red wings put up 6 on them.

Mcphee just sits on his backside. Lifetime contract, why change?

Posted by: O-V-P | February 18, 2011 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Tampa traded away Brock Beukeboom as part of the deal to get Brewer.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm...some Axl Rose quotes.

tmac, I will say, Schultz ALMOST hit someone last night, 1st period, but shied away at the last moment, and I said to myself:

"That's it. They've taken his parents hostage and told him if he ever checks someone his parents will die a slow torturous death!"

See, I can be nasty too.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

uh oh! I haven't heard McPhee say clearly that he was unhappy with the team. Not even during the awful Hanlon days. Doesn't this translate directly to how disatisfied he is with BB. He didn't blame anything or anyone else.

Do you think that GM is forcing BB to play this more defensive style that is not working for him, kind of like when Snyder brought in the guy who called Bingo games to fix the problem? Well, I don't mean literally forcing him but pressuring him. I just can't buy it as a system that BB feels ownership for.

Posted by: caraveli | February 18, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I have never seen this much trading action 10 days before the deadline. Usually it takes to 48 hrs before to get it started.

This is like NFL draft when suddenly you get a run on OTs.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

He may have done it in the past - in fact, he probably did - but it was interesting a few weeks ago when Leonsis made it clear that he barely even knows what kind of hockey-related decisions are being made by McPhee.

That is generally a good thing. Excessively meddlesome owners can be a problem.

I just thought it may have also been his way of saying, "Don't blame me for this mess!" as the team was clearly regressing. I think he was trying to wipe his hands clean of the increasingly apparent rebuilding failure.

The good thing is that he sees it and he was indirectly putting things squarely on McPhee's shoulders. Even though Fat Teddy is too soft and loyal, I think it's clear that McPhreakinDumbass is on the hot seat and that can only be a good thing. The clock is ticking on the bum one way or the other.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

@sgm -

GMGM got Hendricks, a guy who fell through the cracks. That seems to be a good acquisition.
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Absolutely a solid addition, and I love what Hendo brings to the table. But he's simply not in the class of the likes of those other guys [Meszaros, Bobrovsky, Leino] - and presumably of that someone of that talent level is who you'd want as a 2C - which was the question I was addressing. I don't even think Matt Hendricks would claim he is a 2C.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | February 18, 2011 5:56 PM | Report abuse

lol, Hendricks fell thru the Caps' OWN cracks. He had to prove it with another team first before the Caps gave him an nhl shot.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Hmmmm...some Axl Rose quotes.

tmac, I will say, Schultz ALMOST hit someone last night, 1st period, but shied away at the last moment, and I said to myself:

"That's it. They've taken his parents hostage and told him if he ever checks someone his parents will die a slow torturous death!"

See, I can be nasty too.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 5:53 P

Not sure if you're talking about the time the guy crumpled in front of him. It was almost as if he felt sorry for it and tried to pull back at the last second. Hah...


Regardless, no doubt Saint Schultz has improved along the boards since a couple of years ago. It just ain't close to enough and it's really hard to imagine that a guy with his innate demeanor will ever have the requisite edge to his game to take advantage of his size and compensate for his total lack of speed. And not just straight line speed but change in direction as well.

It's similar to Steckel's problem and why Steckel is a liability after the faceoff on the PK. He is simply too slow when it comes to change of direction speed to apply reasonable point pressure. That doesn't even take into account his poor and slow hands or the fact that he is weak along the boards which hurts him in board battles. I think Steckel may poor core strength so once he's in a more upright position, as opposed to on faceoffs where he uses his leverage extremely well, he is amazingly soft on the puck and easy to knock off balance.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 6:05 PM | Report abuse

lol, Hendricks fell thru the Caps' OWN cracks. He had to prove it with another team first before the Caps gave him an nhl shot.

Posted by: cstanton

Fine, but no other NHL team wanted to sign him to an NHL contract this offseason. Only GMGM was willing to sign him to a contract. That qualifies as slipping through the cracks because apparently Hendricks didn't prove himself enough to any other NHL team get a contract.

@Timbo

No, Hendricks isn't as good as those guys, but he still was a very solid acquisition.

I would also add Brian Boyle as great acquisitions of players who fell through the cracks. He may be at the top right now of all those players.

@tominsocal1

Are you doing the Axl Rose snake dance or are you saving that for when the Caps win the SC?

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 6:07 PM | Report abuse

I actually want to amend my prev. stance that we should do nothing at the trade deadline cuz we're too many pieces away.

We're still too many pieces away but if McPhail can make a move that improves us for the future, that would be a good thing.

Speaking of drinking, maybe McPhail should drink heavily before making hockey-related decisions. There would be a better chance that he does something right.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Probably wouldn't hurt for Saint Schultz to hit the bottle either. He needs to become a little more unstable mentally.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 18, 2011 6:12 PM | Report abuse

only reason we ended up with Hendricks is because the Belanger deal fell thru. That's why we had a spot. And it was Boudreau who wanted Hendricks, not McPhee.

I bet McPhee doesn't know about 30% of the players in the league. If not more.

as for Brian Boyle, he plays tough because the Rangers groomed him that way. He's tougher now as a Rag than he was as a King and his only responsibility when they got him was to play 4th line center and hit everything in sight. Now that he showed an offensive knack he's being put in other situations. But the Rags brought him thru the right way. The Caps would've screwed him up because they would've tried to make him an offensive player first and foremost instead of a guy who could play well defensively and use his mammoth size to inflict some punishment

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 6:20 PM | Report abuse

Probably wouldn't hurt for Saint Schultz to hit the bottle either. He needs to become a little more unstable mentally.

Posted by: tmac2yao


lmao

agreed! Tequila!

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

not sure if anyone heard the burke press conf on the kaberle trade. But he said that the centre they acquired is like a David Steckel type of center. exact words. i thought that was funny

Posted by: samb99 | February 18, 2011 6:27 PM | Report abuse

he is 6ft5 and needs to use his size better so that's not an inaccurate comparison. Hopefully for Toronto he turns out better. I'm guessing he will.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 6:28 PM | Report abuse

BTW, I have never seen this much trading action 10 days before the deadline. Usually it takes to 48 hrs before to get it started.

--tom---

didya catch my comment on jeff brown? just curious.

anyway, i bet the frenzy of trading activity esp within the divison and conference has caught GM unawares and has lit a fire under his stale butt.

So, lets go get us some scraps eh!

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 18, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

"only reason we ended up with Hendricks is because the Belanger deal fell thru. That's why we had a spot. And it was Boudreau who wanted Hendricks, not McPhee"

Maybe, but it is GMGMs final decision. Just like he may listen to certain scouts when drafting or making trades, he will get input from everyone before making a final decision. That is called being a good manager. He used information he received from BB and signed Hendricks to a contract.

Do you really want to go through any and every move ever made by any GM based on information from a scout or coach and then discount those moves? Lets not get ridiculous here.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

seems like someone has goats blood poisoning. is an intervention in order? maybe rehab at a nice kool-aid facility - until around the second week of april?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 18, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

Are you doing the Axl Rose snake dance or are you saving that for when the Caps win the SC?

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 6:07 PM

I'd prefer to do the Jim Morrison lizard dance actually.

tmac: The Sharks announcers had the nerve last night to refer to both Schultz and Steckel as "big guys."

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

cstanton: Yes, I saw your Jeff Brown comment. I responded back on that thread. Here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeff_Brown_(ice_hockey_b._1966)

Unfortunately if I recall he was injured several times with Caps. But he played 11 games and had 8 assists, and that incl 2 SCF where he had 2 assists I think in Game 2 before getting injured again.

At the time, Brown was above average for an offensive D-man. Moving Cote for Brown was good, esp combined with brining in a top-notch agitator in Tikkanen and a very good player for the front of the net in Bellows.

I maintain if Tik had hit the open net and Brown had not been hurt, we go home 1-1 and it's a horse race. The Wings played badly in Game 2 (terrible giveway to set up an easy Oates goal) but we let em off the hook.

After that point, 98 trade deadline, McPhee basically made one bad decision after the next until he traded Oates and a few others and drafted Semin. That was really the only good pick he made (and kept, can't count Oduya) where the pick itself played better than his draft selection number until he picked Green in 04.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Probably wouldn't hurt for Saint Schultz to hit the bottle either. He needs to become a little more unstable mentally.
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Nah, he's too slow as is... he needs to start drinking a gallon of redbull/day.

maybe it will give him wings, never know.

Posted by: joek443 | February 18, 2011 6:54 PM | Report abuse

Is it too late for us to make a really significant acquisition? Many of the good ones are taken. I had wanted Kaberle , for instance. I am getting nervous. I don't want us to end up with more Corvos and Belangers.

And here is something from the Bleacher Report on my boy:

"The lead did not last long as Alex Ovechkin, who has all but carried this team on his back since the All-Star break, tied the score before the PA announcer could finish announcing the Sharks goal scorer.

.. Ovechkin has continued to play unselfish two-way hockey rarely seen in such a natural goal scorer. His physical presence on the ice forces teams to contend with him in more ways than just trying to prevent him from scoring."

I rest my case!!!!!!!!

Posted by: caraveli | February 18, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

I know, I know, GMGM is analyzing all the data and then one minute before the trade deadline he will make an outstanding deal. Who can forget last years exciting coup to get Corvo and Walker? The latter who I believe played one game in the Montreal series.
Also considering how much trouble these Caps have had adjusting to buddies being traded (Clark, Fleischmann), I would do a deal sooner rather than later. This team can't afford a 8 game losing streak while they get comfy with the change.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | February 18, 2011 7:03 PM | Report abuse

BTW, cstanton, when the deadline deals were announced in 98, it was Brown who had me most excited - a right-shooting offensive d-man who could partner with Gonchar on the PP.

I'm trying to recall our D corps...Tinordi was the best we ever had @SAH not named Stevens or Langway. We also had Witt, who was pretty nasty then. Reekie and Klee were OK. And then Gonchar and Johansson. Is that correct? And then Brown. And we had a good group of defensive forwards, Miller I think still and Kono and Tik. Excellent as a checking line. Simon and Berube and Hunter? All three? Bondra, Oates and Bellows?

http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/leagues/seasons/teams/0000491998.html

Wow, forgot Housley, Juneau, Zed and Niko. Some good role players there. Check out the roster - little bit of everything. Oh, Brad Church, there was a bust.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 7:24 PM | Report abuse

Do you really want to go through any and every move ever made by any GM based on information from a scout or coach and then discount those moves? Lets not get ridiculous here.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse
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That's why you let some things go bro. Don't take everything he says so literally. 95% of the things being said about GMGM can be said about every other GM in the league. Every single one of them. Sort thru the BS dude.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 18, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

That's why you let some things go bro. Don't take everything he says so literally. 95% of the things being said about GMGM can be said about every other GM in the league. Every single one of them. Sort thru the BS dude.

Posted by: pokerface1208

Good point.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

HD choices for tonight...Blues-Sabres on now Center ice HD ch 731 and then ch 471 NHL Network Flyers-Canes at 8:00 EST. I think I'll kinda watch Blues but then switch and watch Flyers-Canes, should be a good one.

Geez, it would nice to get Umberger and Clutterbuck.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

I hope some of you watched the Rod Brind'Amour retirement ceremony. Was a great speech. A lot of our guys could learn a lot of things about the sport, just by listening to the speech.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

Ribiero would be good. But you can really see how damaging a contract extension to Tom Poti is. It would be a lot easier to absorb Ribiero over the next 2 years if we didn't have Poti's contract.

We need someone to take Chimera from us. Quite frankly, we could use Schultzs' money back too.

IMO, we are two good offensive players away from being able to compete for a cup.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 18, 2011 7:55 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately I saw on the Guide Flyers-Canes at 8:00 (and wondered why late start) but did not see the retirement ceremony.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 7:56 PM | Report abuse

The Poti contract is toxic. Only explanation is he has pictures of George wearing only the scarf.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Tominsocal: starting to worry about you. That's your second reference to GMGM only wearing the scarf. Skip the wine tonight, go with a Schlitz or PBR or something.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | February 18, 2011 8:30 PM | Report abuse

kcb: Wait a second! Hold on thar, Baba-louie! I also referenced Sarah in the Dino jersey!

Everytime I watch the Canes, Jeff Skinner gets abused pretty well. Are they lacking a bit o' toughness like our team?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering what people on here think about Tom Poti and the contract extension he signed?

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 8:51 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering what people on here think about Tom Poti and the contract extension he signed?

Posted by: sgm3

Not a big Poti fan, but he had some good stretches last year. He was a top 3 dman last year I think, but he's definitely behind Carlzner and Green now. When Carlzner are up for renewal, Poti will be gone like the Dodo.

Posted by: Doom_and_Gloom | February 18, 2011 8:59 PM | Report abuse

darren dreger from TSN just said there's not a lot of talk coming out of washington right now.

i don't know who to listen to, our insiders or dreger?

i feel like something's gotta happen but what the heck do i know. only time will tell for sure.

Posted by: natresgroup | February 18, 2011 9:14 PM | Report abuse

@natresgroup

This is from a hockey guys' twitter feed that is also followed by Daren Pang and Steve Simmons of the Toronto Sun. Not sure if its viable, and quite frankly I dont believe it but here you go:

The #Caps have offered the #stars Eakin, 1st, Perrault + conditional pick for Brad Richards. Just an offer, not a trade.

If that is a real offer that means we'd have to make another move bc we'd be over the salary cap.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Would the Pens try and acquire Richards if they know Sid is coming back? Crosby, Richards and Staal. Scary.

@ThePat

If McPhee had the stones to pull off that deal, I would be on board.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 18, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

That sounds like a good deal to me. Moving Eakin to a Western team would be of minimal impact depending on how good he becomes, which will probably be significant in about 5 years.

Posted by: Doom_and_Gloom | February 18, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

I was wondering what people on here think about Tom Poti and the contract extension he signed?

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 8:51 PM

Worst signing since the Indians traded Manhatten for $24.

ThePat: Actually we wouldn't have to make a move right away. We are about $1.4M under cap if you ignore the Alzner bonus. Now replace MP with Richards for a $6.5M delta. That makes $5.1M over. If I'm doing the math right, $1.4M under after 59 games you can be $6.5M over for like 16 games (Game #75) before you hit the crossover point.

NOW, if you put Poti on LTIR, for those games you get 3.5 back of the 5.1 plus +.5 if we keep McNeil so you are 2.1 over...and you can run 2.1 for the rest of the year and not use up the 1.4 under you've accumulated for the 59 games.

I can't do all the math, but you could do 2.1 over for 39 games after being 1.4 under for 59...that makes 98 games, more than a season...approximately, if Poti were on LTIR for 13 of the remaining 23 games, it works.

Now, if they wait to make this deal until after Monday's game, it's a whole new equation.

(Actually cap is calculated on days of the regular season and not games played but even I am not THAT anal.)

Or, better yet, make them take Chimera rather than Perreault.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@John Carlson et. al. (from previous thread):
"we can't let off the gas"

Quit with the darn soundbites already! Sounds like everyone knows what to do. No talk...do!

Posted by: WCAPS1 | February 18, 2011 10:03 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

We'd have to move an Erskine, Schultz, Chimera, Laich or Fehr to do it today if Poti is not on LTIR.

If Poti is on LTIR than we are fine and could add another player with a cap hit of $2.4M or less I believe if my math is right.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

The only problem I have with this Richards deal is it's expensive and it's obviously a rental. I can't figure out how Caps could keep Richards beyond this season and fit him in the cap unless absolutely you traded Semin.

OK, maybe you do that.

Eakin I like but I'm really thinking he won't be a #1 center type. How big is he, anyway? OK, 185.

Richards would do a lot for the Caps. Making the trade like that works if you keep Richards or if you get a bonifide #2C as a UFA in the offseason. Otherwise, honestly, Johansson won't be a #2C even next year (my opinion, surely not a Richards type or even an Umberger) and you can't expect Kuznetzov to take that role for at least 2-3 years (realistically).

Bottom line: Getting Richards for nobody off the roster (Perreault, nobody) is a great short-term move but it must be accompanied by long-term thinking for what to do about next year; which, truly, is a concern anyway since no one can really expect Eakin to be ready.

If you toss Chimera into the deal I will sign off on it. If you toss Poti into the deal, I will strip naked and crawl to Dallas through three different deserts to sign.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

If Richards is plan A. Is Spezza plan B?

Posted by: underpants2 | February 18, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

Yeah, I think the Caps would have to make another move to fit under the cap for that deal. Or just waive a guy. Maybe they unload Chimera and a pick for a depth D-man(not talking anybody that good just a 3rd pairing guy). The Islanders could be a team that could use Chimera.

The Islanders need to get to the salary floor and Chimera could get some playing time there.

Maybe Chimera and a 4th for Martinek. Or a 3rd if necessary.

@natesgroup

The reason there is no chatter about the Caps is because GMGM does not talk to reporters about what he is going to do. He keeps it pretty close to the vest.

The one plus of the Boston trade is that they are out of the running for Richards now.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 10:22 PM | Report abuse

"The only problem I have with this Richards deal is it's expensive and it's obviously a rental. I can't figure out how Caps could keep Richards beyond this season and fit him in the cap unless absolutely you traded Semin."

@tominsocal1

One option would be to trade his rights before UFA begins to the Rangers or whomever wants to get a jump on negotiating with him and try to pick up that pick to mitigate how much they gave up for him. Remember Florida did that with Bouwmeester and others have done similar things.

I don't think there is a way they can keep Richards if they acquired. Richards is going to want a long term deal, at least 5 or 6 years, the Caps couldn't and shouldn't do that with him.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Mike Fisher to Nashville was a Gretzky to LA move for the sake of their wives. Fisher should remember Gretzky went to the cup finals only once after the move.
If we got Jovanovski and Kovalev though both past their primes, I think their playoff experience would be just the kick in the ass we need to actually do something in the postseason. I know it would not be cheap but GMGM needs to think about the present and not the broken record "future" bull$#!+ he has been feeding Leonsis and the fans since day one.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 18, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

sgm:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Poti

He's averaged 64 games over the last three seasons and, if he plays half the games the rest of this season, he'll have averaged 56 games per season over the 4 yrs of the current deal.

Forget the fact that despite his size he can't push ANYONE out of the crease. In a salary cap era, Poti has the WORST kind of injury...a lingering one. This groin thing has been around since he came to DC. It lingers and lingers but can never be projecetd as LTIR when it starts. So you spend the full cap hit for 3/4 of a player. And NOW you can't afford a guy who never gets hurt and who is a far better defenseman (Hannan) because Poti is using up too much of the cap! OK, they actually can afford Hannan, I have him in the cap spreadsheet at 3.75 for the next two years and it works if the cap increases at historical 8% rate. I'm just afraid we won't keep Hannan because McPhee will consider Green, Alzner, Carlson, Poti, Schultz & Ersk as "we got six already" and will announce we can't pay Hannan that kind of money as a consequence. Nevermind what the Flyers pay their Top 6 D. McPhee is a "pay for offense, go cheap on defense" kind of GM.

I don't personally have anything against Poti, I just don't like the ramifications of a stupid extension to a player who doesn't give the value of his cap hit.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Does someone know if the Islanders can trade Nabokov? I mean - does he again have to clear waivers, or is the Detroit contract now inherited by the Isles which is what would be traded with him.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | February 18, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat
Any links on any of this supposed trade offer? Would love to read up. Thanks.

Posted by: Jonathan6 | February 18, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

I don't think GMGM is a pay for all offense guy. The Caps only have 3 forwards making at least $3M/yr. They have three D doing the same. True the forwards that are making more are making a lot more, but GMGM only paid his superstar forwards a lot. The rest are sort of cheap.

Only 4 forwards make $2.5M/yr or more. 4 D make over $2.5M/yr. The only D that makes less than $2.5M/yr are Carlson and Alzner, who are on rookie contracts, and Erskine(7th D) and Sloan(8th D).

I could definitely see Hannan coming back. Hannan fit in under the cap this year and Poti is going to be making less next year. If Hannan comes in at $3.75M/yr and with Poti's smaller salary, the Caps gain about $1.4M in cap room overall while keeping the same players.

I agree completely the Poti signing was bad, especially with all of his injury history. But it isn't that big of an impedence, especially if he is able to play next year as a top-6 D. I'm not for the signing, I just don't think it is as horrible as others make it to be.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 10:43 PM | Report abuse

ThePat: I can't understand your math. CBA says if a guy goes on LTIR he can be replaced with "A player or players that add up to his cap hit."

Poti is $3.5M. Caps are $1.4M under. This means Poti goes on LTIR the first $3.5M of any "replacement" is cap neutral. So you have $3.5M in space to start (if he's on LTIR). Now, on top of that, you are $1.4M under for 59 games that you can offset (and reach cap zero by year's end, ignoring Alzner bonus) by 3.55 over the last 23 games...

59x1.4=82.6 of accumulated savings
23x3.55=81.7 so therefore you can spend

Now, Richards if Poti LTIR uses 3.5 of Poti and and that leaves 3.0 balance (removing MP) less the 1.4 under only makes us 1.6 over.

Since you have 3.55 the last 23 games and you use 1.6, you actually have another $2M in salary for the last 23 games.

Usually I deal in hundreds of millions but don't mind the small numbers for practice.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, ThePat, I didn't read your last sentence, I think we are in violent agreement. You said 2.4 and I said 2.0. That's in the noise.

My main problem in life is jumping to a conclusion BEFORE reading the last sentence.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

what about Richards' supposed concussion? Would GM still make such a run at him?

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 18, 2011 10:57 PM | Report abuse

Anyone seeing how good Kovalchuk has been playing lately. Another GWG tonight and he is looking awesome. The Devils are 14-1-2 in their last 17 and Kovalchuk has 11 goals in his last 16 games, many of them GWGs.

Kovalchuk is tied for 2nd in the NHL with 7 GWG(he is tied with Ovie). If the Devils were to somehow make the playoffs(they won't) they would be a very tough out if they were a #8 seed. In addition, imagine if Parise never got hurt.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 11:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't think GMGM is a pay for all offense guy.
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YES, he is. Who are the 4 highest-paid players on the team??

8, 19, 28 and 52 who isn't making $5.25M/year because of his defensive prowess. They take up over 47% of the salary cap, all offense.

Heck neither of their goalies makes over $1M.

Posted by: joek443 | February 18, 2011 11:01 PM | Report abuse

what about Richards' supposed concussion? Would GM still make such a run at him?

Posted by: capsfan7

Good question. I'm sure any team that trades for him may want a medical report or to have their team doctor's check him out. That could definitely scare off some teams which may end up lowering his price or just lead to him not getting traded.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 11:02 PM | Report abuse

sgm: Before they traded Flash for Hannan, I had posted earlier in the year Caps avg salary 14 forwards and avg salary 7 d-men. Forwards were like 3.5 and d-men were like 2.5. (Flyers are opposite.)

You are right on your numbers except Ovi, Backie and Semin cap numbers skew the avg for forwards; and, one can argue with little room for dissent that Green's salary was done with mostly offense in mind.

When I say that McPhee pays for offense much more than defense, I say that because we have Green sure but can you imagine him paying say 6.5 for a mostly D d-man like Phaneuf?

No, our forwards highly paid are pure O forwards (not two-way like Richards) and our top D was paid for his offensive production.

The highest paid Caps player paid for just defense is actually Schultz, since Poti is supposedly a "puck mover." Our highest paid F paid for defense is maybe Laich, but not really. Face it, we don't have a defensive forward. We have pure O and other guys who are some D and some guys like Hendricks and Brads who aren't Selke candidates but rather guys with some grit.

Our best Selke candidate is Brooks Laich and really that shouldn't inspire confidence if you are truly a Cup contender.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

right now we have $1.5 in space. That equates to adding a salary of $5.375 right now at this point.

So if you did the trade just removing MP at this point, wed be over the cap by $330K, according to the capgeek trade machine. So you'd have to get rid of a player who is still due a minimum of that. Thats why I listed those players.

If Poti goes on LTIR, we still owe him around $900K, subtract the $330K so you have $570K. Mutiply that by 4 and ou get $2.28M of a cap hit you can add. Maybe I am reading LTIR reserve wrong, but I think its only what you still owe the player that you can go over by. If Poti goes on LTIR retroactive to 13 games ago that would you have more space. LTIR is complicated and even the NHL capologist guys can confused by it is all I can tell you.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I'd say Backstrom is a pretty good two-way forward. Everyone(except for people on this board) raves about his two-way style of play.

The Caps have Ovechkin, they had to sign him. He is a mega superstar who got his money. That contract alone will always skew the forwards to D ratio. But you have to pay the talent you have. No one thought the Backstrom signing was bad when it was done, and I still think it is a good signing. That's who the Caps have and that's who became free agents first and that's why they got their money first. It's not like GMGM is signing street free agents to big contract. It was Ovie and Backstrom and Semin, drafted guys with two of them (Ovie and Backstrom) considered to be the backbone of the team for years to come.

I say wait two or three years when Carlson and Alzner come off their rookie contracts and you will see a shift to paying the D more.

In addition, as the cap continues to rise, the Ovie and Backstrom contracts become a smaller and smaller percentage of the overall team salary allowing GMGM to move that towards the D.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 11:17 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

The salary cap may not rise much. The owners dont want it to. Many of them say it is rising way too fast and it is going to be a major issue when the CBA runs out after next season. So for the sake of hockey, I hope it stays right where it is.

Posted by: ThePat | February 18, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

"The salary cap may not rise much. The owners dont want it to. Many of them say it is rising way too fast"

True, but owners say that in every sport. But it will be an issue just like it is in the NFL right now and will be in the NBA this offseason. I have no idea who deserves what and don't really care what cut either side gets. It's a bunch of billionaires(or hunders of millionaires) dealing with millionaires.

No matter what deal is ever agreed upon, the only group that ever gets screwed are the fans. Owners will always use the rising salaries as an excuse to raise ticket prices, etc. Basically, both sides will argue, both will end up with a lot of money and prices will be raised to make the fans pay for it.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 11:25 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal

right now we have $1.5 in space. That equates to adding a salary of $5.375 right now at this point.

CONCUR.

I think you are, perhaps, misinterpreting the LTIR.

My understanding:

You are an NHL team running 57.9 avg vs 59.4 cap after 59 games. You have built up a reserve as a consequence.

NOW, you have a player at 3.5 who has missed more than 10 games due to injury. But, you haven't put him on LTIR because you did replace him with nearly the 3.5 much less the 1.4 you are under.

LTIR is only used by teams who would otherwise be over. Otherwise both Poti and Fehr would have been LTIR.

Now, you are a team at 57.9 with cap of 59.4. You can INSTANTLY put Fehr and Poti LTIR if you would otherwise be over.

Just checked...Richards is 7.8 and Perreault just over .7, so the delta is 7.05.

Back to the numbers. Caps are 1.5 under. You acquire a player making 3.5. Poti is 3.5. Fact is, with Poti injured, and 3.5 salary, and 1.5 under, he doesn't go on LTIR until the replacement exceeds $2.0M. Otherwise, LTIR isn't activated until the cap would be exceeded otherwise.

LTIR has nothing to do with what player is still owed. Specifically, you can replace the player with a player or players making up to his salary (on a daily basis). What I'm not certain on is anytime you use LTIR if you are counted as capped out (59.4) on those days or if you can replace Poti 3.5 with another at 3.5 and be back at 57.9.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Richards would be exciting but is to much for a rental. Stephen Weiss is still the guy I want, but I see the Blues may be selling, Andy McDonald is a guy I like (they ain't trading TJ) and won't destroy you like Richards (destroy cap)

Posted by: bricucci | February 18, 2011 11:31 PM | Report abuse

ThePat: My brain is starting to hurt. You can't do retroactive LTIR to gain space.

I think...LTIR means nothing unless your total salaries are over the cap. It probably has things I don't understand due to daily computation of cap etc. But, if cap is 59.4M and you have a 5.0M on LTIR, you can run 64.4M per day. However, if you run anything between 59.5 and 64.3, I have no clue if you are charged the full 59.4 (zero space accumulated per day) or if you are charged XX.X - 5.0 and therefore might be accumulating savings to use down the line.

With about 2 wks of training, I could be team capologist only I don't know if it pays enough to pursue the job. I have 32 yrs experience aerospace business operations developing estimates up to $4B so for sure the figure of $59.4M absolutely puts no fear in me. I have posted before I will do it for $250K/year + a good seat to all games road and away + bottle/red for home and white for road.

Ted can get ahold of me at:

tomdoesnumbersinhissleep@caphit.com

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 18, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat

One thing to consider about the cap is that right now the Caps have 25 guys on their roster counting against the salary cap. If the Caps acquired Richards in the trade you mentioned (with MP going the other way) that would still leave them with 25.

McNeil will be sent down soon and another player will have to be waived or traded once Poti and Fehr become healthy(or Poti goes to IR).

SO right now the Caps have $5.375, but if you take off MP, McNeil and lets just say Sloan, all of a sudden you have an additional $1.917M of cap room to that $5.375, which would be about $7.3M in cap room without Poti going on IR.

That's if the Caps only have 23 guys on their roster who are eating up cap space.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 18, 2011 11:46 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, like, if we could trade Chimera for a 93rd round draft choice we could bring up Beagle and get the same production for $1.375M less.

Sorry, Jason, but those are the facts.

Meanwhile, we are taught, "Judge not, lest ye be judged," and I just judged, so I must pay now to be judged myself.

BTW, Kaberle is funny looking.

Oops, there I go judging again.

I told everyone on here over and over again starting last April that Chimera was a one-trick pony (he's fast) and I think now it has become a general consensus. There is almost nothing else to his game. Sure he gets a goal once in awhile and scowls occasionally but consider his production on the 1st line (!) over the last few weeks and we can clearly see he is a cap liability.

Given the choice one or the other I would take Beagle (0.5) or Bradley (1.0) over Chimera (1.875) any game, any time.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 19, 2011 12:15 AM | Report abuse

BTW, one last thing, Brian Burke is on NHL Network talking about Kaberle (was recorded earlier) and he refers to him only as "the player."

"...The player asked for an extension, but we felt..."

Just like McPhee when he signed Semin he said, "We offered a multi-year deal, but the player only wanted one year."

Kaberle played 12 years in Toronto. 12 years. How many NHLers last 12 years for one franchise?

Don't know about the rest of you, but I'd feel pretty rotten if I worked 12 years somewhere and, upon being moved (by mgmt choice), all they could say was, "We felt it was in our interest to move the employee."

His name is Tomas.

C'mon, Burkie, I've watched you speak under the toughest of times (re:your son), and I know you can do better than call a 12-year mainstay for the Leafs, "the player."

How bout, "Tomas was a great player for the Leafs for many, many years and we wish him the best. We only wish as management we had done more to build a Stanley Cup contender so that trading him in a salary dump wasn't, unfortunately, the best option for the Leafs. We apologize to Tomas for our shortcomings as management and wish him luck in Boston."

Good thing I'm not "In the game." It would make me gag to put out those Brian Burke press releases.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 19, 2011 12:30 AM | Report abuse

I told everyone on here over and over again starting last April that Chimera was a one-trick pony (he's fast) and I think now it has become a general consensus. There is almost nothing else to his game. Sure he gets a goal once in awhile and scowls occasionally but consider his production on the 1st line (!) over the last few weeks and we can clearly see he is a cap liability.

Given the choice one or the other I would take Beagle (0.5) or Bradley (1.0) over Chimera (1.875) any game, any time.

Posted by: tominsocal

All true. But he is better and cheaper than what Chris Clark is right now. But I would like to deal him also. We will wait and see(highly unlikely he will be dealt because who would want him). Maybe the Caps can ship him back to Edmonton.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

I read you comments on the Kaberle trade with interest and your comments on Brian Burke's words. Are you feeling the trade a bit since you share a first name with Kaberle -- granted the Czech form of your first name but ....?

Seriously, I'd have a hard time dealing with the possibility of being "traded" in professional sports, if I were in his shoes. At least IT specialists don't get traded. I could just imagine my reaction if my boss were to come to me and say I've been traded to, say, Toronto. Of course, the first thing I'd think about is "but what about my husband's job". The kids are now about grown so I don't have their schools to think about but ..

At least they traded Kaberle to a team he wanted to go to.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | February 19, 2011 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Did people see that the Avalanche traded Chris Stewart, Kevin Shattenkirk and a second-round draft choice to St. Louis for Erik Johnson, Jay McClement and a first-round pick either this year or next. This was done late last night.

That is a strange near deadline trade. Not really sure what to make of it. You would think that there might something more to why this happened.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

I was reading the trade proposals for Weiss with interest. One of the posters here had proposed trading Semin, Schultz, and Perreault to get him. That sounds like way too much. No matter what their detractors might way, it's essentially, three pieces of our team for one. Weiss by himself would not be worth Semin, much less throwing in Schultz and Perreault.

Weiss would help our second line certainly and his cap hit is not bad but helping our second line is assuming that we still have Laich and Semin available for our use.

The "Russian Machine Never Breaks" blog (written by Neil Greenberg who posts on Insider 2) has an analysis of the possible acquisition of Weiss.

Link: http://www.russianmachineneverbreaks.com/2011/02/18/feed-the-machine-should-the-caps-trade-for-stephen-weiss/#more-14235

Posted by: CapsFan75 | February 19, 2011 8:58 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

I saw the news on that trade (Erik Johnson). One thing the Puck Daddy article mentioned is that Johnson wanted a longer term deal than the Blues were willing to offer so ... adios.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | February 19, 2011 9:21 AM | Report abuse

After reading about the offer we made for Richards, I am optimistic McPhee will fix this team.

Though, I am a Caps fan. I have had optimism beaten out of me so many times, I can hardly count. My fear is that this will be another one of those cases. We are a tortured bunch.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 19, 2011 9:26 AM | Report abuse

After reading about the offer we made for Richards, I am optimistic McPhee will fix this team.
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Just because someone tweeted that there was such an offer, doesn't mean that actually happened.

In fact I would be shocked if that offer was actually made because it would be so unGMGM-like. Such an offer would actually take some onions.

Posted by: joek443 | February 19, 2011 9:41 AM | Report abuse

@sgm

No roster limit after the trade deadline. I don't know if that's what you were getting at or not.

@tomibsocal

You are right on no retroactive LTIR. Was late last night but essentially we are saying the same thing. Just wording it differently.

Posted by: ThePat | February 19, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

CF75: Yes, Kaberle chose his destination, but I just wish NHL GM-speak could drop the term "the player."

sgm: The few times I've seen Shattenkirk this year, I thought he was the real deal.

joek443: Are you suggesting McPhee might have the big yellow or white onions or are we talking the little green onions that are a bunch for 79 cents?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 19, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

And GMGM is a Wallmart-shopping GM, he won't trade for anyone unless he has a rollback price tag on him.

Posted by: joek443 | February 19, 2011 9:52 AM | Report abuse

Chris Stewart clashed with Joe Sacco. No surprise he got dealt after being a healthy scratch. But that kid is a very well rounded player and he gives the Blues yet another young power fwd.

Btw, the brad richards deal if it goes down is a big mistake. Yes we need talent at center. But he's not the type of top 6 fwd this team needs to add right now. Of the remaining options, and if eakin has to be part of it, Weiss is #1, Ribiero should be #2, and Richards a distant 3rd. Getting a Brad Richards kicks MP out so we get a net gain. But he doesn't improve or add to the overall team work ethic or chemistry. And ANY player this team pursues needs to add those intangibles. Its critical to this team if it wants to be a SERIOUS playoff opponent. The only way a Richards makes sense HERE is if it is part of other deals which bolster this team's overall competitive spirit.

Since Mcphee can barely pull off one deal let alone 3 or 4, I say a BIG EMPHATIC NO to any deal involving BR esp knowing what we would pay to get him. I will take MJ over him right now and rather blow my load to add 1 good dman and 1 solid checking role player

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Whoa! You're takin credit for calling out Chimera as a speedy onetrick pony? Come on Tom! I've been the biggest Chimmychanga detractor since he got here. He has size he doesn't use. He has Mike Grier hands. And he's the classic spot picker. A poser. A fake.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 10:00 AM | Report abuse

Whoa! You're takin credit for calling out Chimera as a speedy onetrick pony? Come on Tom! I've been the biggest Chimmychanga detractor since he got here. He has size he doesn't use. He has Mike Grier hands. And he's the classic spot picker. A poser. A fake.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

Btw, the brad richards deal if it goes down is a big mistake. Yes we need talent at center. But he's not the type of top 6 fwd this team needs to add right now. Of the remaining options, and if eakin has to be part of it, Weiss is #1, Ribiero should be #2, and Richards a distant 3rd. Getting a Brad Richards kicks MP out so we get a net gain. But he doesn't improve or add to the overall team work ethic or chemistry. And ANY player this team pursues needs to add those intangibles. Its critical to this team if it wants to be a SERIOUS playoff opponent. The only way a Richards makes sense HERE is if it is part of other deals which bolster this team's overall competitive spirit.

Since Mcphee can barely pull off one deal let alone 3 or 4, I say a BIG EMPHATIC NO to any deal involving BR esp knowing what we would pay to get him. I will take MJ over him right now and rather blow my load to add 1 good dman and 1 solid checking role player

Posted by: cstanton1

Disagree. He won a Conn Smythe. IMO, if we get BR, we have the best top two lines in the East. He is an Elite NHL player. Weiss and Ribiero are not. Now if Richards stays, and we get Ribiero, I am good with it. But I am not sure how we can absorb Ribiero's contract for the next two years. After all, Poti's cap number is a big speedbump.

Bigger fear should be Pittsburgh trying to get him from under us. They have tons of cap room with Malkin out. I am sure Shero is speaking to them. I do not know if they have the prospects we have.

Let's say Sid comes back Mid-March. Crosby, Richards and Staal?


Acquiring Richards is a double whammy. IMO, well worth it. But please, make them take Chimera back.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 19, 2011 10:19 AM | Report abuse

and rather blow my load to add 1 good dman and 1 solid checking role player

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 9:54 AM

Please, not here.

I honestly don't know which of us first said, "trade Chimera." This goes back to April. Maybe you were first to diss him and I was first to say outright to trade. I remember back in April putting he had not enough O for 1 or 2 line; not enough D for 3 line; and not enough toughness (+overpaid) for 4 line. I can see no way to fit Chimera on a hockey team and have him provide value.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 19, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

If you're hoping for the Brad Richards who won the Conn Smythe, good luck undies. That was 7 yrs ago.

You'll be sadly disappointed. And you'll be screaming at him for exactly the same things you rant about when you get mad at some of our skill guys who don't bring it on every shift.

Brad Richards is NOT a good option for the Caps. Which is why I know he'll end up here.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 10:55 AM | Report abuse

Either way, sounds like we both know Chimmy's act.

He is a low calibre checking line forward. And not skilled enough to play on a top line. And not gritty enough to take on the role of a bruising winger when playing on a top line.

And the fact he's NEVER been a healthy scratch for the Caps should tell you exactly how DEEP this org's problems run. And acquiring a skilled center like Brad Richards who doesn't bring much else to the table...sorry but it'll be another bad move that will set this team further back. Esp if we give up high picks and a good prospect.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 10:59 AM | Report abuse

"No roster limit after the trade deadline. I don't know if that's what you were getting at or not."

@ThePat

I meant it in more that the Caps don't need more than 23 players on the roster and could fit under the cap by just keeping 23 players on the roster until near the end of the season.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 11:11 AM | Report abuse

and btw, i know i went around with my buddy tmac on Mike Ribeiro. But the truth is, Ribeiro isn't a soft player the way TMAC said he was. His biggest issue is his Boyd Gordon body in the sense that he can get pretty heavily rocked on hits and knocked off his feet. But he doesn't shy away from the boards and he does try to finish his checks in the offensive zone. My point is, that's about as much as you can hope for from a skilled center who you hope to fill a 2nd line position and who is currently possibly available. I'm not a big Ribiero fan but he's not a shrinking violet either. You don't rack up 120 hits in a season by being a soft player. I compared him to Backstrom yesterday with regards to his willingness to battle. He doesn't have Backstrom's frame. But he is willing to battle and he has the skill to be able to play a top 6 role.

i wouldn't give up a lot for him because his best yrs are probably behind him. But I'd rather bring in a top 6 forward who along with his skill isn't shy in the corners or in front of the net.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 19, 2011 11:16 AM | Report abuse

A good D and a good checking forward would be nice to get. I'm all for getting Chris Neil.

But the Caps need an impact player. The first reason is to have a top 2 lines that would dangerous. The second reason is to shake things up and reinvigorate the team. Would it make them SC champs? No. Is it risky? Yes. But it would give them a much more legitimate shot at making the SC playoffs.

I do agree that they would need to acquire another solid D(solid, not great but the costs on those are not usually too high.

How about these for lines:

Ovie/Backstrom/Knuble
Laich/BRichards/Semin
Beagle/MJ/Fehr
Hendricks/(BGordon or Steckel)/Bradley

or for a slightly different bottom 2:

Hendricks/MJ/Fehr
Beagle/(BGordon or Steckel/Bradley

The 4th line(the Hendricks or Beagle/Steckel/Bradley line) would be your defensive line, checking line. The MJ/Fehr line would be getting 4th line minutes but decent 4th line minutes.

I like those line, I'm sure cstanton won't so I'm wondering what others think.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 11:20 AM | Report abuse

"Chris Stewart clashed with Joe Sacco. No surprise he got dealt after being a healthy scratch. But that kid is a very well rounded player and he gives the Blues yet another young power fwd"

On Stewart, the Avs writer did commend his power game but then followed it with this:

"I will say his defensive play can be lousy at times. He’s also shown he’s capable of going into mysterious slumps where he seems invisible at times."

That sounds like a player you would hate if he played for the Caps.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 11:23 AM | Report abuse

If you're hoping for the Brad Richards who won the Conn Smythe, good luck undies. That was 7 yrs ago.

You'll be sadly disappointed. And you'll be screaming at him for exactly the same things you rant about when you get mad at some of our skill guys who don't bring it on every shift.

Brad Richards is NOT a good option for the Caps. Which is why I know he'll end up here.

Posted by: cstanton1

I'll take my chances. A Conn Smythe winner from 7 years ago will be a great help. Richards still plays at an elite level.

IMO, it will never happen.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 19, 2011 11:29 AM | Report abuse

But with Colorado doing what they are doing, do you think Stasny would be gettable?

Eakin, Holtby, Perrault, Chimera for Stasny. Eakin and Holtby, a rebuild in a box for Colorado.

My hopes are high. Spector also says Semin is being shopped.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 19, 2011 11:34 AM | Report abuse

Read a rumor on hockeybuzz that Weiss is off limits.

Posted by: Dizruption | February 19, 2011 11:36 AM | Report abuse

@underpants2

I don't think Statsny is available. Colorado was looking to shake things up, but I think they are building their team around Duchene and Stastny and have no interest in trading either

I don't think they are looking to rebuild, just retool. They actually got older by acquiring Erik Johnson and McClement.

I'm not sure if there is anyone on their team that the Caps could be able to acquire, that would the type of guy the Caps are looking for.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 11:51 AM | Report abuse

@sgm3

What about St. Louis? What are they doing? Could Backes be available?

I still see Hejduk being available in Colorado. Unless he doesn't want to leave, there is no reason for Colorado to keep him.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 19, 2011 11:57 AM | Report abuse

Blues just extended Backes at 4.5. It would not make sense to trade him. They'd want Kuznetsov and a #1 for certain.

Remember, prospects are just prospects until they do something. Backes was an All-Star.

I'd ask for Kuzzie, Holtby or Neuvy and #1 to move Backes.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 19, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

If we acquire: Richards, Spezza, Stasny or Backes by 6pm today, I will drive to Buffalo tonight for the game tomorrow. If, they are gonna play. And IF, my wife let's me.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 19, 2011 12:06 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

Backes won't be available. My guess is that he will be the next captain of that team. He is one of their core guys they are building around.

Note: All of these "untradeable" guys could all be gotten if they were offered an incredible and overwhelming amount, but they are not looking to trade those guys for picks and prospects.

Posted by: sgm3 | February 19, 2011 12:18 PM | Report abuse

That's hilarious GMGM "We are sticking with these goalies" Why do reporters ever ask when they know they are going to lie. If he's not lying then this proves he is a terrible GM because he should be open to any trade that helps the team. say this... "We will consider any offer that improves our team but our plan is to stick with these guys." Besides Varly is due to blow out his groin any day now anyway. So we really can't trade Neuvy.

Posted by: floridianschteve | February 19, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

@
If we acquire: Richards, Spezza, Stasny or Backes by 6pm today, I will drive to Buffalo tonight for the game tomorrow. If, they are gonna play. And IF, my wife let's me.

Posted by: underpants2 |

Guess we all know who wears the "pants"...even if they are the "under pants "in the family........

sorry I just could not resist

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | February 19, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

awwwwww - I can feel the love. There are some mighty silly CAPS fans out there with good senses of humor.
I am breathless with anticipation to see how the comments evolve once GMGM has made his moves (if any) and the trade deadline is over. I'm glad people care enough to share.
GO CAPS - GO CAPS FANS! luvya

Posted by: creasesinger | February 19, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

@sabredc

I distinctly remember you busting my b@lls about the GMGM hatred on this site months ago. Maybe you should sit this one out. You look like a bigger idiot than GMGM.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | February 19, 2011 1:37 PM | Report abuse

@unders2

I doubt Backes is available. I would definitely "pay up" for a guy like that.
A true hockey beast. GMGM and Ted don't appreciate players like Backes, which is why we're loaded with "weenies"

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | February 19, 2011 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Somehow this will all get spun into "GMGM has built another play off beast" when we barely get out of the first round in 7 games. And then, lose to the Flyers in 6 in round 2. We'll take a beating in front of our own goalie. Flyers will knock 2 of our guys out for the series. Guaranteed !

Flyers will have no problem puncturing our "PK superiority myth" in the play offs.
They'll just give us the Halak treatment.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | February 19, 2011 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Cassidy----Hanlon---- Bruce !!!!!!!!!!!!

'Nuff said !

Definitely a Skins town !

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | February 19, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3

Even a mediocre GM would be smart enough to make Backes "a core guy" if you really wanted to Hoist in the future ! Backes isn't going anywhere, unless somebody really overpays. That isn't us.

Definitely a guy I would consider overpaying for though !!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | February 19, 2011 1:58 PM | Report abuse

@WaPo reporters

How come I have to head over to "Frozen Blog" to read about the "Caps barflies" and the "Country Club" atmosphere at Ketler.

Tarik would have been on this. Man was as sharp as a tack.

No wonder we "pee" our "underpants2" in the play offs. We've become the Redskins. This is a group on a mission to collect paychecks, not the "Big Ugly Jug". Jeez,
another 5 years or so before Ted realizes what it really takes to win Stanley.

Oh well, we're used to it at this point. We are Caps fans. We'll take as much abuse as the owner wants to dish out. Can this get worse than the Abe years ??????????????????

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | February 19, 2011 2:29 PM | Report abuse

I'd still love to bring Sergei Fedorov from the KHL for one last playoff run.

Posted by: vmidurk | February 19, 2011 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It is reported that Fedorov retired.
Sheldon Souray has been put on reentry waivers. The balance of 2.7 this year & 2.7 next year. He is a left-handed shot. Has anyone seen him play in Hershey? Could he help the Caps?

Posted by: chriscaps | February 19, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

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