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Gustafsson Sidelined Again

Anton Gustafsson won't participate in today's summer development camp sessions and likely will be out tomorrow after banging his head on the goal post yesterday. The 2008 first-round draft pick suffered a cut above his left eye that required 10 stitches to close and also has a mild concussion.

That's another tough break for Gustafsson, who missed all but 45 minutes of last year's development camp after aggravating a back injury.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 17, 2009; 11:34 AM ET
 
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Poor Guy. Get well Anton

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 17, 2009 11:45 AM | Report abuse

From previous thread: Someone suggested a Finley/Chara comparison.
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Finley has only played 1 AHL game, he's barely a pro. If Finley's style is in your face hockey, he might never pan out since he's already had a concussion so severe that he was shelved for 2 months. It would be nice to know exactly how it happened. If it was while he was delivering a hit and he never went down but got his bell rung we might have a Lindross on our hands. If it was a fluke situation where his head hit the glass, boards, or ice, hard it is probably an isolated type of incident.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

I certainly hope this doesn't discourage baby Gus from staying in North America this season. He could really tweak his style to that in the NHL if he plays a year or two in Hershey rather than back in Sweden. I wasn't at the camp but it sounds like he was doing something we lacked, besides when OV and Laich were present, and that is crash the net.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 17, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Dagnabbit Deputy Dawg!

Posted by: uncatim | July 17, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

Poor Gus ... :-(

fanohock1:
Injuries aside, Finley is clearly not Chara now, but does he have the potential to develop into that?

Posted by: Boo- | July 17, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

I don't think he hit his head on the post. His skates hit the post first and jarred it loose. Another player was falling on top of him and drove his head onto the ice. Not that it really matters, just wanted to clarify.

Posted by: Lamp1023 | July 17, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Chara first joined the league and could hardly skate? He was drafted by the Pens because he was huge, from Europe, and could spell Hockey...in Czech. Finley is already head and shoulders over where Chara was at this point in his career.

Posted by: rovingbandit | July 17, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

That sucks about Anton, hopefully he's not snake bit.

On a lighter note, does anyone know anything about when the caps are planning the Rookie camp and/or gear sale?

Posted by: superpaqman | July 17, 2009 12:26 PM | Report abuse

superpaqman:
I think the gear sale is at the convention.

Posted by: Boo- | July 17, 2009 12:34 PM | Report abuse

superpaqman:
Rookie camp usually starts around Mid-September, but they may move it up by a week since the season starts earlier this year. My guess would be Rookie Camp begins Sept 7th and Training Camp begins Sept 12th. Just a guess at this point.

Posted by: Lamp1023 | July 17, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Crosby w/ gf at Mario's basement:

http://alexovetjkin.blogspot.com

Posted by: CodePoetry | July 17, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

You are correct Boo. The gear sale is part of the convention. Rookie camp shoud be tail end of August/start of September.

Posted by: _Mark | July 17, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

I've heard of crashing the net, but I think Gus over-does it. He got banged up the first day this year crashing the net too. Hopefully this isn't a harbinger and he learns to use his brakes and better positioning.

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | July 17, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

Finley has only played 1 AHL game, he's barely a pro. If Finley's style is in your face hockey, he might never pan out since he's already had a concussion so severe that he was shelved for 2 months. It would be nice to know exactly how it happened. If it was while he was delivering a hit and he never went down but got his bell rung we might have a Lindross on our hands. If it was a fluke situation where his head hit the glass, boards, or ice, hard it is probably an isolated type of incident.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 17, 2009 11:50 AM | Report abuse

Twas me who suggested that. And really only to imply that Finley plays a style of hockey more similar to Chara than Schultz does (obviously)

If I recall correctly, Finley's concussion occured when he got hit by another player and it wasn't a big hit. He was lugging the puck up ice or something in the 2nd or 3rd gm of the season and someone just hit him.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

[Chara is not flashy in what he does either, he usually just gets in the way, ties up a forward, and brings them to the boards. That is the way Schultz plays, but as many of you have said, needs more experience.]

I really have to question if you have even watched Chara play hockey aside from a shift here or there. Chara is one of the most physical players in hockey and he punishes forwards. I don't know how else to characterize it. He just plasters forwards, he also intimidates them in the crease, he also has no problem punching someone in the face if he feels he needs to send a msg. He about took Komisarek's head off in a scrum in last yr's playoffs. Thats his usual style. He finds the big guys on the other team and he lets them know that he's bigger. It gives his teammates some extra swagger.

[You will rarely, if ever, see a player like Chara (or Schultz), poke check and forward and turn up ice with the puck, that is not their style.]

So this alone means they play similar styles? Unless you think Schultz also plasters forwards and effectively separates them from the puck as well as guarding the crease like a pit bull.

[I know that Chara won the Norris but if you watched the awards show the hosts said they thought Chara would win this year even though he wasn't the best choice because it would be a sort of life time achievement award. They also said Green would be back many times, but that remains to be seen.]

the Norris trophy has been bastardized into something it was never intended to be. Its actually a tribute to Chara's overall game and leadership that he won despite Green's gaudy point totals.

[For all of you that think Chara is a stud please reflect back on his playoff performance. He was abused! He was getting knocked to the ice by the likes of LaRose and Ruutu. Both hard nosed players but no where near Chara's size.]

This is a horrible argument. EVERY player in hockey has been rocked by hits no matter how big they are. Even Boogaard has been knocked to the ice. When a player is in a compromising position and another player has a head of steam and determination its not uncommon to see that player get knocked to the ice. I can't think of a single big player who hasn't been hit down to the ice by a smaller guy. To imply that Chara is somehow weaker than he appears because he got rocked by hits, thats just insanity. Its the playoffs, players like Ruutu will do everything they can to finish every check with authority and no one is immune from being knocked down.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

We traded Keith Seabrook's rights for "future consideration."

big news, i know.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Chara didn't only get knocked down during the playoffs he was abused in the 2nd round by Hurricanes. He looked awkward and slow. He was on the ice for just about every game changing goal. He hasn't performed well during the playoffs the last two seasons. Everyone has their own opinion and mine is that Chara is over rated and has marginal skills. I know, I know, he won the Norris, but he didn't deserve it, Lidstrom was a stronger candidate.

To answer the question posed to me. Yes, I saw a lot of Bruins games. I get NHL Center Ice and watched them regularly due to the Caps fighting for the top spot in the Conference. My opinion of him isn't based on the 4 times the Caps played them this year.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 17, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

Ah man, i was hoping we'd hold on to those rights

Posted by: superpaqman | July 17, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

We traded Keith Seabrook's rights for "future consideration."

big news, i know.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

bizarre. We traded a 2nd round pick in 2006 for futures? Its pretty significant.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

thanks goodness cstanton is here to allow the rest of us to absorb his infinite hockey knowledge. he is the all knowing chara expert and those of you who hold different opinions of big charra, well you dont know zedeno...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

Real significant. Impertinent to the Capitals and will forever change next season.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 insider

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

To answer the question posed to me. Yes, I saw a lot of Bruins games. I get NHL Center Ice and watched them regularly due to the Caps fighting for the top spot in the Conference. My opinion of him isn't based on the 4 times the Caps played them this year.

Posted by: fanohock1

so how then do you get the idea that Chara isn't one of the most physical players in the nhl? Have you not seen him cream players along the boards? There's not too many defensemen in this league who can take a Latendresse and fling him around like he's a ragdoll. If we're talking physicality, Chara would be a 10 and Schultz would be a ZERO. Its not even close.

Regarding Lidstrom v Chara - its hard to argue anyone v Lidstrom because he's so good. But there are many aspects in Chara's game that Lidstrom does not have either. They offer different skill sets and they are both extremely valuable to their own teams. The only reason Mike Green was one of the front-runners is his points from the blueline. His defensive game, his defensive awareness, his work ethic in his own end were all sorely lacking. He improved IMO in the last month of the season but too often he's careless and lackadaisical. Its not certainly not from lack of ability or strength.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the video of Carlson. He seems like a mature person at only 19 years. It was great to see some guys skating and NOT to read about the Chara/Schultz endless debate....oops, I spoke too soon. Please, give it a rest and find a new topic.

I hope Gustafsson isn't seriously hurt.

Would love to see a video of Woods' coaching philosophy/style.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 17, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

thanks goodness cstanton is here to allow the rest of us to absorb his infinite hockey knowledge. he is the all knowing chara expert and those of you who hold different opinions of big charra, well you dont know zedeno...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

instead of making such a lame statement, why don't you put your own opinion on the line about Chara. At least Fanock states what he believes. What exactly do you believe? Do you think Chara isn't one of the better and more physical defenseman in hockey? Do you think he's overrated? You spend way too much time trying to discredit me but you don't do it with any specific hockey opinion. its kinda troll-like dontcha think? When I try to dispute something at least I give specifics on why I think what I think. If you don't agree, then counter it with something besides a 3rd grade response.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

Real significant. Impertinent to the Capitals and will forever change next season.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Not really. No one said its going to change the course of history but thanks for the extreme exaggeration, its the only way you could make your point I suppose.

But a 2nd round pick from a recent draft who gets dealt for future considerations should be given more than just a passing thought. We're not talking about a 6th or 7th rounder. Last time I checked you don't just p_ss away 2nd rounders.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,
if you werent so enamored with reading your own posts, perhaps you would have noticed that i have suggested that at 23 and w/ two full years of nhl experience, it's too early to give up on schultz. my comparison was chara, who was no great shakes when he was at the same age and experience. both schultz and chara are obviously very tall and gangly and it takes time for guys with that build to develop, particularly dmen.

schultz may never be as good as chara is now, but at the same age, chara showed no signs of being a norris trophy winner either. others have made a similar point. you seem to want to compare today's chara w/ today's schultz and thats just not even up for debate.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

Can you guys PLEASE let the Chara debate die??????

Posted by: tess2201 | July 17, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

tess,
be careful what you ask for. w/out the chara debate we're back to calculating the salary cap and asking why we havent traded nylander yet....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

i may be a tad enamored of reading my own posts. But hey, didn't we just trade a 20 yr old defenseman we drafted in the 2nd round recently for "futures" ? Why did we give up on him?

[you seem to want to compare today's chara w/ today's schultz and thats just not even up for debate.]

really? thats funny because you apparently must have missed the entire exchange between Fanock and myself where he compared Chara's game TODAY with Schultz's current game.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Chara had 309 hits in 99-00; the year he was 23.

Schultz cannot be compared to Chara in anyway, except for their size. They just are not the same type of player, nor will they ever be.

Schultz can be damn good, who knows. But he isn't going to be "Chara-esque" just because they both are tall.

I am sick of talking about freakin Jeff Schultz and Chara.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else find it annoying we got a smart a$$ on the board? Not quite sure whose butt he's trying to kiss....

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

tess,
be careful what you ask for. w/out the chara debate we're back to calculating the salary cap and asking why we havent traded nylander yet....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 2:32 PM |

Lets talk about something interesting, like who is going to be our top 6 d men opening night.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

I heard Chara once vertical-suplexed a bear and then taught it to play volleyball.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

well we know its not gonna include Seabrook..

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Anyone else find it annoying we got a smart a$$ on the board? Not quite sure whose butt he's trying to kiss....

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I didn't realize we were back in grade school and this was a popularity contest. This is a hockey board. You talk hockey. If you need a board like this to make friends, you're in dire straits. Rallying fans for or against someone is beyond ludicrous.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Green, ShaMo, Juice, Erskine, Poti, Pothier. HUGE CHANGES. But seriously I don't see Alzner or Carlson cracking the lineup on opening day.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Here's your opening night D:

Green/Morrisonn
Poti/Pothier
Schultz/Alzner

Erskine
Jurcina

Exciting, right?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

btw, we're sitting here trying to make a case for not giving up on a 23 yr old defenseman and we just gave away a younger defenseman who put up a lot more points from the blueline in juniors than Schultz did. And they played for the same league, same team. And Seabrook actually has a bit of an edge to his game, he's not a gangly giraffe afraid of his own shadow.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

It'll be interesting to see if Schultz gets Top 6 over Erskine, but I doubt it. If Jurcina stays with the team after arbitration I think he'll be top 6.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

No because Juice is not signed yet, and you forgot to include Carlson. And how the hell are we going to dress 8 d men and fit them under the Cap?

Try again, the excitement will come. trust me.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Carlson is going to be first on the injury callup list, I bet. Similar to Alzner last year.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Also, I was unaware there was a word filter on this blog. Interesting = exciting apparently.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Juice beats out Pothier and Alzner may find himself back in Hershey. Based on playoff performance alone before he got dinged up, Erskine deserves a spot in the top 6 unless Carlson makes the team.

And pairing Schultz with Alzner is a little scary.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks the caps need a new captain?

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is not on the ice to score points...In fact, the less points he gets, the more he is doing his job...which is to use his reach...get in position...and stop people from scoring...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 17, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, you should know better than to read GMGM's mind. Can't be done. Maybe GMGM saw something in Seabrook beyond his stats, something he decided he didn't like, and therefore sent him packing.

Posted by: tess2201 | July 17, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Like he did with Dubinsky you mean? lol

but yeah, i know Schultz is considered a stay at homer and not a points machine. Just find it interesting that a young 20 yr old defenseman who seems interested at playing at both ends of the ice and put up almost a point per game in the reg season and playoffs last year and who we expended a high pick for got dealt for next to nothing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

Lines for opening night:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Semin-Morrison-Fehr
Gordon-Laich-Bradley
Flieschmann-Nylander-Clark

Morrisonn-Green
Poti-Alzner
Erskine/Schultz-Pothier

Varlamov
Theodore

I can actually see the Nylander, Clark and Flash line working out pretty well.

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

@tess

Exactly. Plus, it's not like we have a shortage of defensive prospects right now..

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, you should know better than to read GMGM's mind. Can't be done. Maybe GMGM saw something in Seabrook beyond his stats, something he decided he didn't like, and therefore sent him packing.

Posted by: tess2201 | July 17, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

i'm sure thats how it went down. The Flames get a chance to scout the Hitmen very easily and they probably saw something in Seabrook that they liked. The other part of it is, the Flames are top heavy with defensive defensemen and the Caps are top heavy with offensive dmen. So they filled a need.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Lines for opening night:
Ovechkin-Backstrom-Knuble
Semin-Morrison-Fehr
Gordon-Laich-Bradley
Flieschmann-Nylander-Clark

Morrisonn-Green
Poti-Alzner
Erskine/Schultz-Pothier

Varlamov
Theodore

I can actually see the Nylander, Clark and Flash line working out pretty well.

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

where's Steckel in that lineup.

I think Nylander barely plays next season and Quintin Laing gets a serious shot to stay in the lineup.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Isnt Steckel a free agent?

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

no he's signed thru next season and he should be a capital for a very long time. He's one of our better utility players and rarely takes penalties. He's also our only center with size.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Hmmm. Coupla things about those lines, gocaps01. One. Semin's a RW and doesn't play off-wing well. Two, Fehr's unlikely to start the season. Three, Flash'll likely get pushed around on the fourth line and will perform better where he's got a shot to get set up. Four, if you'd take Laich as a center over Steckel, you've lost your mind. Here's mine:

Ovi - Backs - Knuble
Laich - BMo - Semin
Flash - Steckel - Clark
Bourque / Aucoin - Gordon - Bradley

Nylander

I like your D pairings and goal, though.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 17, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I agree with that kittypawz

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Hopefully the pk will improve from last year with Knuble and B-MO

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Exactly. Plus, it's not like we have a shortage of defensive prospects right now..
Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 2:56 PM
----------------
Speaking of defensive prospects, I went to Development Camp this week and impressed by Brett Flemming, a defenseman we just drafted this year (4th or 5th round). He's only 18 and he needs another year or two of juniors, but I saw potential there. I guess I'll have to wait a couple years to see if I'm right :)

Posted by: tess2201 | July 17, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is good and getting better. Don't know wtf Chara has to do with anything, but 55 shows heavy minutes against top6 attackers and covering Green's 6, with strong Corsi, stronger +/-, and minimal PIM, for next to no money. Gosh, that's awful.


Posted by: redlineblue | July 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is good and getting better. Don't know wtf Chara has to do with anything, but 55 shows heavy minutes against top6 attackers and covering Green's 6, with strong Corsi, stronger +/-, and minimal PIM, for next to no money. Gosh, that's awful.


Posted by: redlineblue | July 17, 2009 3:17 PM | Report abuse

now lets be honest, is Schultz really getting better? Was there any significant improvement last season from the season prior? I didn't see him take any steps forward. I actually think he looked a bit better 2 yrs ago in certain aspects than he did last season.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

[Don't know wtf Chara has to do with anything]

schultz-- tall
chara-- tall

therefore they're the same type of player apparently

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

i agree with kittypawz, except swap laich and flash. Not so much cause i like flash, but more because that 3rd line would/will be nasty. So;

ovie-back-knuble
flash/fehr-bmo-semin
laich-steckel-clark
bourque/aucoin-gordon-bradley

nylander and fehr or flash (depending on opponent) will be scratches.

Posted by: ThatGuy2 | July 17, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

good call stanton,,,,sounds like Gustaffson needs skating and agility work so he doesnt fall so often

Posted by: wendel2 | July 17, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

As for the D pairings above...very unlikely ShaMo is there due to the cap.

Also, what is the big deal on Seabrook. I have been reading for several years that he wasn't panning out to expectations. Big whoop, a second rounder traded for considerations. If that happened to all our second rounders, it would be a big deal, but Neuvirth, meanwhile, picked in a very similar slot, in 2007, is working out very well. And Holtby, taken lower, is doing very well. Overall, McPhee has a very good draft record since selecting Alexander Semin #13 overall in 2002. Naturally, there are a few stinkers (Pokuluk, who was a severe reach even before the concussion problems).

Not every player you pick is Gordie Howe!

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 17, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Actually Seabrook had a very good yr last year after he came back from his shoulder injury. When he hurt his shoulder he was very hesitant to take the body and he ended up being tentative defensively. That's where the knock came from. But after he healed up he ended up being one of the better players on the Hitmen. And he had a strong playoffs. There were two or three very positive writeups on him last season.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

this is from april '08

http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/sports/heraldhockey/story.html?id=5829d193-29ce-4a73-bc9f-fd1cfe4d5041

this is from last yr's playoffs. He had 15 pts in 18 games and was a physical force. He sure doesn't seem like a bust the way you Mcphee apologists are characterizing it.

http://slam.canoe.ca/Slam/Columnists/Fisher/2009/05/05/9354871-sun.html

The Rockets seemed intent on chasing Hitmen defenceman Keith Seabrook around the ice for the opening 10 minutes.

Seabrook rocked world junior star Jamie Benn, the WHL playoffs scoring leader, twice in the first two games.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

So write a friggin letter, dude. We have Alzner, Carlson, Godfrey, Dovgan, Orlov, Finley, Mestery.. all in development. It's not like we're trading away Peter Bondra here.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: Interesting how you knew who I was talking about.

Carry on. It's interesting seeing a grown man totally enamored with his knowledge of hockey and devoid of any real enthusiasm for it other than to spout factoids for an imaginary crown of "Biggest Hockey Fan of the Universe". I hope you win. You get my vote for sure.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

cstanton:
So why wasn't Seabrook at Development Camp this week with all the other prospects?

Posted by: tess2201 | July 17, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

true stanton it was because seabrook cheap shottted benn

Posted by: wendel2 | July 17, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

This just in from the "I need to get a life" department...

I just inserted all the new caps (Knuble, B. Morrison) into the EA sports NHL 09 game and simulated a season.

Caps came in first in the eastern conference. Ovie had 77 goals. Semin and knuble each had 30+ goals. And my Fiance left me!

isn't that great?!

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | July 17, 2009 4:08 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: Interesting how you knew who I was talking about.

Carry on. It's interesting seeing a grown man totally enamored with his knowledge of hockey and devoid of any real enthusiasm for it other than to spout factoids for an imaginary crown of "Biggest Hockey Fan of the Universe". I hope you win. You get my vote for sure.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

why is it interesting? it was pretty obvious. You're always stalking me around these boards. Maybe one day I'll get to actually read something hockey-related from you. Prolly not tho huh? You'll be too busy trying to rally up support to win some popularity contest. How sad for you.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Sometimes coming here is like getting a great big virtual hug! :-D

Hard to believe we all cheer for the same team ...

Posted by: Boo- | July 17, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

@skinsfan

Did Keith Seabrook crack your lineup?

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

cstanton:
So why wasn't Seabrook at Development Camp this week with all the other prospects?

Posted by: tess2201 | July 17, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing it was because mcphee already had a conversation regarding Seabrook prior to the development camp and didn't see any need to bring him down here.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: Too cool for school.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Kitty,

"Hmmm. Coupla things about those lines, gocaps01. One. Semin's a RW and doesn't play off-wing well."

I thought Semin's a LW who is only playing RW because of Ov's notoriously long shifts, ie Semin's ice time would suffer as 2nd line LW. Anyone have some feedback on that?

Posted by: Steve_R | July 17, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I didn't see the hits so I don't know if it was a cheap shot but the description of at least one of the hits indicates it was clean. Mind you, I'm not trying to paint Seabrook as a bluechip can't miss prospect. But he certainly appears to have potential.

"Later in the period, Hitmen defenceman Keith Seabrook sent Benn falling backwards to the ice with a thunderous check in the Calgary zone. "

"HIS AND THAT: The nature of the injury to star Kelowna F Jamie Benn remains a tightly guarded secret as he continues to be listed day-to-day since being knocked out of Game2 by a tenacious bodycheck by D Keith Seabrook. Benn, the leading playoff scorer with 31 points, not only leaves a big hole on offence, but is sorely missed on the power play as the Hit-men have killed off their past 14 short-handed situations."

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

not enough schultz/chara chatter - so lets start round 12
the original post that put those two in the same paragraph - only attempted to compare how chara's early team gave up on him - and how it might take a taller player a little longer to develop - and that the caps shouldn't give up just yet.
i think its a good move to keep someone like schultz who still has potential - and as we've all seen - room to improve. and at just over 700k he would seem to be a bargin. keep in mind with at cap ceiling of 56.8M at 23 players - its just under 2.5M per player. for every ovi at 9.5M cap hit - you need 5 other at 1M. there are obviously better defenders out there than schultz - but it would be interesting to hear who thinks there are better dmen at that price. with semin and backs dues raises next year - you need as many 'serviceable' player at under 1M as you can get. none of these type players will ever be considered elite and all will have their share of poor play on the ice - but they all have a roll in the salary cap era.
my conclusion: schultz @700k = chara @ 7.5M

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@thiazzi

No, Seabrook ended the season assigned to the Baltimore Skipjacks ;)

Morrison seems to be a quick skater though and has solid play making ability.

We need Garth Butcher to come out of retirement and be on our blue line. Only cause his name is amazing. Is there a better name for a stay-at-home defense man?

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | July 17, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

@steve_r

Sounds reasonable to me. I think Bruce once said that Semin doesn't have a preference, too. Maybe I hallucinated that, though.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

In the words of Rodney King "Can't we all just get along?"

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 17, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

haha, Skipjacks.

Anybody remember the Baltimore Bandits? That was fun.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

skinsfan,
thats a bummer...not about your fiance, but that ovie didnt get 80. must have been playing against chara alot...

capt_kirk, i'm glad to see someone else has passed reading comprehension!

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

We need Garth Butcher to come out of retirement and be on our blue line. Only cause his name is amazing. Is there a better name for a stay-at-home defense man?

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | July 17, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Thats an alltime great name, and he was one FUGLY mofo. He and Scott Stevens were paired together on the blueline for the Blues. Quite a nasty duo

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

also, re seabrooke. first, i see that he's listed at 6'0" and less than 200 lbs. that could be an issue. in addition, we dont know what the future consideration are, so it's hard to evaluate this deal. my guess is those considerations would be based on whether he cracks the lineup in the future. essentially i believe GMGM looked at a crowded blue line and said lets move this guy and if he works out for them, we get some reasonable compensation. if he doesnt work out for them, he probably wouldnt have worked out for us, so no big loss.

then again, maybe calgary is on the "lets pick up the brothers of guys who are really good dmen" bandwagon...didnt they pick up kronwall too, or was that someone else.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

capt_kirk, i'm glad to see someone else has passed reading comprehension!

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

please don't include yourself as passing any type of reading comprehension dcsportsfan. You missed the entire debate between fanock and me just an hr or so ago when you stated that no one was trying to compare Chara's current game with Schultz's current game. So seriously..you can pull yourself off the pedestal now.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I think Schultz improved in two fundamental ways last year:
1) He stopped fighting the puck and switched to making quick, deadly dull disposals of it. Nothing Pothier's paid to do, but I think he got smarter about the little disc that >terrified 2) He started using his range more effectively, using positioning and reach to muddy the skating and passing lanes that he's too slow to cover outright.
I wish 55 would bring the thump sometimes, I really do. But I got blanked in a state championship hockey game by a big, slow, D who just...got in the way! all. flipping. night. It's an art, and I think Schultz is on his way to mastering it.

Posted by: redlineblue | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

wow, cstanton, i guess everything it about you, isnt it. talk about being on a pedestal.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

also, re seabrooke. first, i see that he's listed at 6'0" and less than 200 lbs. that could be an issue. in addition, we dont know what the future consideration are, so it's hard to evaluate this deal. my guess is those considerations would be based on whether he cracks the lineup in the future. essentially i believe GMGM looked at a crowded blue line and said lets move this guy and if he works out for them, we get some reasonable compensation. if he doesnt work out for them, he probably wouldnt have worked out for us, so no big loss.

then again, maybe calgary is on the "lets pick up the brothers of guys who are really good dmen" bandwagon...didnt they pick up kronwall too, or was that someone else.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

no you're right, they picked up Kronwall also. And Seabrook isn't that far from Mike Green in terms of size. Frankly, the only point of contention in this Seabrook discussion is that its not a completely inconsequential move and he's not a bust of a prospect. The trade does have some significance since we're dealing away what appears to be a decent defensive prospect and the fact that we expended a 2nd round pick. Its not the end of the world, but it bears some significance.

It is as you said more likely a case of the Caps having a crowded blueline and we have defensemen who can provide some offense (godfrey, carlson, orlov etc) in the system.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

wow, cstanton, i guess everything it about you, isnt it. talk about being on a pedestal.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

no, just pointing out that since you yourself missed the boat, its funny that you're characterizing others as not being able to decipher the Schultz v Chara fiasco

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

Maybe we should put him in Winger's costume to protect himself. sheesh

Posted by: CheyenneWY | July 17, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

I think Schultz improved in two fundamental ways last year:
1) He stopped fighting the puck and switched to making quick, deadly dull disposals of it. Nothing Pothier's paid to do, but I think he got smarter about the little disc that >terrified 2) He started using his range more effectively, using positioning and reach to muddy the skating and passing lanes that he's too slow to cover outright.
I wish 55 would bring the thump sometimes, I really do. But I got blanked in a state championship hockey game by a big, slow, D who just...got in the way! all. flipping. night. It's an art, and I think Schultz is on his way to mastering it.

Posted by: redlineblue | July 17, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

Look at it this way. You saw how the Pens forwards pinned our defense back in our end all playoff series. Anytime they dumped the puck in, they forechecked the hell out of our defense and the play would end up in our zone for extended periods of time, leading to scoring chances, momentum changes, a worn down defense etc.

Now, knowing what you know about Schultz's game, is one of his strengths being able to go back in his own end and gather the puck and get it out under a furious forecheck? Seems to me, in those situations he fails more frequently than he succeeds. He gets flustered and easily knocked off the puck.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 17, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Talking about a series in which a player did not play is not a good way to make a point about the player in question.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 17, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

i'm waiting for cstanton to comment on one of his own posts since he seems to be unable to resist critiquing others.

in fact, i'm willing to bet he is also fanohock and is actually debating himself.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

thiazzi, ha ha ha. excellent point. perhaps if schultz HAD played against the pens, we wouldn't have lost.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 17, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Since when has Zdeno Chara become a Scott Stevens? have I missed something??

the guys is a pretty good defenseman but the fact that he has become one of the best around at his age only points out how few great defensemen are in the NHL nowadays.

Neither Scott Stevens nor Larry Murphy ever won a Norris Trophy because there were so many great defensemen during their playing years. But both are in the hall of fame. Will Chara be hall of fame worthy when he's done? I seriously doubt it.

Posted by: joek443 | July 17, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: By your definition, everyone posting on here is stalking you on this message board. You tear through their comments and believe that unless you comment or criticize the poster or their opinion, this isn't a message board.

As for getting a comment about hockey, I'm a fan. I could care less about statistics and more about enjoying the Capitals play. Sorry about ruining your campaign for "Biggest Hockey Fan of the Universe". It would appear that if anyone needed to win a popularity contest, it'd be you. You should count the number of posts you put on. It's almost sad. Most people actually have other things to do. You don't seem to.

Oh, and in case you didn't notice, I'm not the only person who finds you irritating and self-absorbed. No need to give me credit. You sorta' accomplished that on your own.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Ugh. There should be a limit on how many times you can discuss the same player, let alone having the same debate more than twice. The only player that should be discussed this much is Cindy and the only debate you can repeat endlessly is whether or not he is the worst thing to happen to hockey or the world at large.

Seriously. I hate Twitter but maybe this 140 character limit is a good idea. All I end up doing here when I find essays I'd skip over them and look for the comments from left coast or sa because at least then I'll be entertained. The definition of insanity is repeating the same action over and over again and expecting a new result. I think every chara/schultz, nyls and theo debate are just that. Move on.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 17, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

While most of you continue to dump on cstanton, I agree with him on Schultz's evaluation. I don't think he will ever progress to Chara's current talent level.

Also, to say that Chara got pushed around in the Carolina series. I think that is a stretch and was due more to injury. Look at Green - he was not the same player in the playoffs as he was during the season due to a bum shoulder.

I did not see any improvement in Jeff this past year. At times, I saw a big orange barrel with reflection tape wearing a Caps jersey with 55 on it in our defensive zone. For a contract of $715,000, it's a reflection of his current value as a "potential" D-men in the NHL. Again, it's my belief that the Caps brought him up from Hershey too soon and he needs more time to develop at the AHL level. I'm aware that clearing waivers there's a chance on losing him. We will all see how things play out in the next few months.

Posted by: puckman | July 17, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Remember when Chara first joined the league and could hardly skate? He was drafted by the Pens because he was huge, from Europe, and could spell Hockey...in Czech. Finley is already head and shoulders over where Chara was at this point in his career.

Posted by: rovingbandit | July 17, 2009 12:22 PM


LOL...kind of like The Penguins' "Buy-A-Vowel" line ( Straka, Hrdina, Jagr) in the early/mid 90's

So tell me, how does one spell "Hockey" in Czech? is is "Hcky" (with "Y" counting as a consonant in this case)?

Posted by: Rhino40 | July 17, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

Ugh ... can't you guys just let it go?

Posted by: Boo- | July 17, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Which games are you guys looking forward to next season? I'm looking forward to our first game against the New York Rangers to see if Brash goes easy on his former team or if he'll throttle our guys. Not looking forward to that but it'll be fun.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Boo-
no hugs, just a shot and a beer chaser. If only we were at a bar I'd buy the first round!

Posted by: mrszilla | July 17, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

Boo-:
we're like rabid dogs

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

lol!!

Zilla:
This thread will drive me to drink, bar or not! ;-)

Kirk:
Worse - rabid hockey fans.

My *treat each other with respect and don't stoop to name calling* soapbox is calling my name ...

Posted by: Boo- | July 17, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

Schultz ain't Chara. Speculation doesn't men squat. If it mattered, then I could wax poetic that I think Graham Mink will be the next Ovechkin now that he's in FLA (I do not think that, just for the record.)

cstanton:

Players don't always take steps forward every year to get better. Many times proposects actually get worse before things start to click. Olie Kolzig comes to mind. He was loaned out to another team for goodness sake before he finally realized his potential. Schultz may get better. One season doesn't mean anything. Let's see how he responds.

Also, cstanton, who made you the hockey board boss? We can say what we want. Its America. Its a democracy. Fasicm has no place here. Can I get an amen?

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 17, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

cstanton hasn't responded in over an hour, since 4:49. He must have gotten off work and gone home

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 17, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

I think the main issue, and cause of the inner-circle pissing matches is that there is no longer a common enemy. Aside from that one random pens guy who comes here there are no trolls from other teams so we are turning into canibals and feeding on our own fellow fans. Very odd, and not nearly as much fun as reading people make fun of ny/Philly/pitts.

As for games I always look forward to the rags games bc it allows me to trash talk with my coworkers, neighbors and strangers. I'm REALLY curious to see brash out there, I think he'll def hit us, and I'm predicting he hits ovie to prove what team he's on. Don't blame him though, and I doubt ovie would care, any time ovie gets hit he just gets mad and scores. As long as brash doesn't hurt our boys, he's still good in my book. Now the first fisticuffs... THAT will be interesting!

Posted by: mrszilla | July 17, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla:
i'm not looking forward to bradley getting pummeled by brash

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

Wow. Before popping over here and reading a bunch of unnecessarily snarky posts, I spent an hour over on http://www.hockeybuzz.com laughing at all the sarcastic, quit-witted (but not mean-spirited) comments towards Eklund's inability to get anything correct, with a good dose of hockey talk and the usual inter-team rivalry smack talk sprinkled in. It's amazing how, with fans of many teams being represented, including archrivals like Leafs/Habs, everyone manages to remain civil, joke around, and have a good time. Just a thought. Back to Hockeybuzz...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 17, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

My favorite player is Semin and I have this ugly feeling he might be on Brash's hit list come October. *sigh*

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

My *treat each other with respect and don't stoop to name calling* soapbox is calling my name ...

Posted by: Boo- | July 17, 2009 5:49 PM | Report abuse

we are all on a pedestal, and rightfully so- We're caps fans!

Kirk- why Bradley? I kind of see knuble stepping up to prove the same point. Altho I don't recall how well he fights. Or I can see sexy lumberjack in on that for some reason. Just hopefully not semin. I fight better than him.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 17, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

LeftCoastCapsFan:
brash saw - first hand - semins 'bongo' moves - i don't think brash has the nads to mix it up with him

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

@jmurray019: Rest assured whatever snarky comments we make today that he hasn't added his two-cents on, he'll most assuredly get to them tomorrow to continue his "I'm a Better Hockey Fan than You Are" campaign.

Btw, that was funny. He must have left work! Ha. I can't see how the "Best Hockey Fan of the Universe" has time for a piddly job. There's hockey messages on the washingtonpost.com to correct and comment on!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

mrszilla:
bradley was the only other cap last year that was willing to drop the gloves (other have - but out of necessity) - he once left the ice bleeding profusley after getting beat up. he's not much of a fighter - but will step up and make the attempt
the caps have no true enforcer now

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

If you were semin, after that "fight" would you invest in some boxing lessons like brash did? How amazing would it be if the season started and we all of a sudden had a new enforcer- SEMIN! That would certainly crack me up, and maybe put to rest the insults? I realize this would never happen, but it would be a beautiful sight to see!

Posted by: mrszilla | July 17, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk: Shame on you. He's getting help on that. If not, patch me into his manager so we can set him up with some boxing lessons.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

no youngsters in anyones lineup???????

Posted by: bryaningrocery | July 17, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

I like

O-B-K
kugs-bmo-semin
flash-stecks-clark
aucoin-gordon-brads

for forwads,

would love to see the kids up on D some too

especially Orlov

bash away

Posted by: bryaningrocery | July 17, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

bash away
Posted by: bryaningrocery

ok - i'll start - why no laich

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 7:14 PM | Report abuse

Seems as if the headline "Gustafsson sidelined again" isn't interesting enough for everyone. This was an extremely high risk draft pick for us and it doesn't seem to be panning out so well at this point. You hope he isn't gonna have a career filled with injuries. You hate to see kids this young with this much promise not reach their heights due to injuries but it happen. I used to think the world of Pat Peake but he just couldn't stay healthy and a fluky collision with the boards ended his career. I hope this isn't Pat Peake revisted we're watching.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 17, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

Anton is gonna get the N. American baptism by fire this season as he'll be playing in Hershey, so we'll see how things shake out. Per Corey's neglected blog on WaTimes (shhhh, don't tell anyone, but it's also possible to post comments and have, perhaps, more civil debates over there too...)

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 17, 2009 9:04 PM | Report abuse

that sucked for peake - he was racing to the endboard to get to a puck - can't remember if it was to make sure it was icing or to prevent it - shattered his heal

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

that sucked for peake - he was racing to the endboard to get to a puck - can't remember if it was to make sure it was icing or to prevent it - shattered his heal

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 9:07 PM

Watched that game on TV. Maybe vs. Pittsburgh? Can't remember. Afterwards, the doctor who treated him said his injury was similar to someone who had fallen from 15th floor scaffolding. Ouch!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 17, 2009 9:15 PM | Report abuse

Is it safe to come out? Has there been a cease fire?

Posted by: --Boo-- | July 17, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

@ Boo: Nah. Just reloading...

*spits tobacco into spitoon* =P

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 17, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

Boo:

In the words of Sir Winston Churchill, if he were here, and if he were a hockey fan:

"Nevah in the history of the NHL have so many argued about so little."

This would have be reported by Walter Cronkite, years from now, except that Cronkite just died.

"So that's the way it was. July 17th, 2009. The Schultz-Chara debates continues, until tomorrow."

You know, I don't mean to contribute, so I won't contribute, except to say the two players are worlds apart in experience and no one knows until they are both retired.

That said, it doesn't seem anyway to me that Schultz will ever match Chara physically. Chara though got traded NYI for Yashin (I think) so he already had a good reputation and then went UFA and got offers $6M and up. Schultz isn't in Chara's class at Chara's age; whether he ever catches up is a matter for speculation; anyone's guess is as good as mine; I don't think he'll ever be close.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 17, 2009 9:58 PM | Report abuse

--Boo--
its never safe in here

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 17, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

Seems that Gus is having bad luck with injuries -- like Eric Fehr. Our 2 first rounders with the worst luck for injuries.

Did you know Gus and Della Rovere were born the same day? And now they're both injured.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 17, 2009 11:59 PM | Report abuse

@LeftCoastCapsFan

I always seem to be on the same page with you. Your a realist, a pragmatist and brutally honest. Like me. I think that is an example all Caps fans should have regardless. There are plenty of highly touted Caps draft picks that never made it. Need supporting research? Here goes:

Reggie Savage: Was supposed to be the next great Capital. Didn't even register a cup of coffee in the NHL. Less than a sip, actually. Amounted to nothing.

Pat Peake: Couldn't NOT be hurt. So talented in the Juniors, never could stay healthy in the AHL or NHL. Career ended after he broke his heal. Experts say only constructio workers who fall 2+ stories suffer the same sort of injury. Caps bad luck.

Alexander Volchkov: 4th pick in the draft, supposed best and most talented out of that particular talet pool, but with "questionable" mental variables. basically he was a head case. He amounted to NOTHING for us. Or anyone, for that matter. Not even a low pick/bare bones prospect in trade when we were done with him. A complete waste of the 4th overall pick. Thanks David Poile!

Posted by: jmurray019 | July 18, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

@jmurray - lets not act like the Caps are the only team to draft busts. It happens in every sport. I think at 1 time Pat Fallon was supposed to be the next great one as well and he wasn't drafted by the Caps. So it's not just the Caps and it's not just hockey. In hockey it's much more difficult than any other sport b/c you're drafting players at a much younger age than the other sports. Also, I'm more concerned with how our existing management and scout team draft vs. the ole Poile promises. At least we won't ever need to give somebody like Scott Stevens up again due to money.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 18, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Is anybody feeling good about Gustafsson right now? His stats in Sweden were not good, and what is going to happen to him when the contact starts for real?

As far as the lines, I'll throw mine in there, at least this is the way I think they should be:

OV-Backs-Green
Laich-Nylander-Semin
Borque-Aucoin-Knuble
Gordon-Steckel-Clark

Poti-Morisonn
Pothier-Alzner
Carlson-Erskine

I know Green is "technically" a d-man, but tell that to Sidney Crosby. Imagine how good a wing he would be if he didn't have to start so far back all the time and worry about that whole defense thing.

As far as Brendan Morisson goes, is he really better than Nylander? It's been a longer time since he's been really productive than it has been for Nylander.

Posted by: DirtyDannyV | July 18, 2009 2:40 AM | Report abuse

@jmurray - lets not act like the Caps are the only team to draft busts. It happens in every sport. I think at 1 time Pat Fallon was supposed to be the next great one as well and he wasn't drafted by the Caps. So it's not just the Caps and it's not just hockey. In hockey it's much more difficult than any other sport b/c you're drafting players at a much younger age than the other sports. Also, I'm more concerned with how our existing management and scout team draft vs. the ole Poile promises. At least we won't ever need to give somebody like Scott Stevens up again due to money.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 18, 2009 1:58 AM


I always hear the oft-cited (and at this point correct) criticism of McPhee's pick of Eric Fehr over Ryan Getzlaf, so I decided to took a look at the 2003 draft to see how many other GMs also missed on Getzlaf. Quite a few, though it would be hard to argue with the picks some of them made. Seems like a crapshoot at times, and McPhee isn't the only one who makes mistakes (I'm sure the Blue Jackets would like to have the #4 they used on Zherdev back). Just gotta hope your team's GM is right more often than not. Or that he gets fired haha. Just be happy we dont have this guy. There'd be a general mutiny!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 18, 2009 3:39 AM | Report abuse

It's real easy to sit here and be a arm chair GM. We can go back in time and pick apart EVERY NHL teams draft history and look at players that never made it. The GM's/Scouts in the NHL have a tougher job then any of the sports leagues. They are scouting teenagers. Some kids develop and some do not, thats the way it has been with prospects for as long as I can remember.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | July 18, 2009 10:49 AM | Report abuse

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