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It's Official: Caps Sign Jurcina (Updated)

Milan Jurcina is under contract, the team announced moments ago. As I reported last night, the defenseman was awarded a one-year contract in arbitration, making today's announcement just a formality.

His exact salary will be $1.375 million, up from the $912,500 he earned last season.

Jurcina's agent, Allan Walsh, wrote on his twitter page, "It was a great result for Milan ..."

Update:I'm hearing the Caps sought a salary of just under $1.1 million $1.05 million for Jurcina in Tuesday's arbitration hearing, and the Jurcina camp came in at $1.55 million, or just below the "walk away" number of $1.570 million.

Even though Jurcina's salary was set closer to his agent's figure than the team's, the Caps, I'm told, are satisfied with the award.

Of the eight defensemen currently on the roster (this includes Karl Alzner but not John Carlson), Jurcina now has the sixth highest cap hit, ahead of only John Erskine ($1.25 million) and Jeff Schultz ($715,000).


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Caps Mgmt definitely lost this deal. It's great to have Juice back but it's clear the Erskine deal had some effect here. Now we just have to squeeze 8 defenesemen into 6 slots.

Posted by: dsphvywght | July 31, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

I think having Jurcina for less money then Morrison is a good deal.

Jurcina has some upside in my opinion, and lets be honest...big position d-men like him take some time to catch a groove. He has a hard shot..big body...with experience comes the willingness to take on battles that will make him better.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 31, 2009 9:00 AM | Report abuse

Following some of the previous posts regarding the Swedish Olympic team selection....
The article was not read carefully; it did not say that Nikkie and the Sedins were not invited; it said that they were not part of the initial contingent that were to be presented in Sweden (34 players or so)as getting a shot at making the team. These players needed to be in Sweden, on site, to be presented to the press and sign some paperwork (including doping testint instructions). Nikkie and the Sedins were either not available at this time or not required to be there but they will be on the team.

Posted by: atybat | July 31, 2009 9:14 AM | Report abuse

Caps Mgmt definitely lost this deal. It's great to have Juice back but it's clear the Erskine deal had some effect here. Now we just have to squeeze 8 defenesemen into 6 slots.

Posted by: dsphvywght | July 31, 2009 8:51 AM |

Huh? We lost by signing Juice to his arbitration deal, which was estimated to be about 1.5 anyway?

How is signing a guy, for anything, trade, use, etc not better than letting someone walk for nothing?

Posted by: richmondphil | July 31, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

We need to move Morrison for a cheaper dept forward that can rough it up a bit...Maybe someone that goes back and forth between Hershey and The Caps when and if needed.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 31, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Anybody know a place with teams' Off-Season Moves organized in a "players gained/players lost" manner?

For instance, ours would say:

Gained:
Hauswirth
Knuble
Morrison

Lost:
Brashear
Mink
Kronwall
Johnson
Lepisto
Seabrook


etc etc etc

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 31, 2009 10:03 AM | Report abuse

if twitter allowed more characters, his agent would have gone on to say.."its also a great deal for me. lets face it, with guys like ovie negotiating his own deals, agents like me are nearing extinction. and i really didnt want to have to drag his big carcass all over north america to try and get him signed. i have a timeshare in florida booked in august."

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 31, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Any fellow Caps fans have data on how other teams (especially ones in our division) are doing with the salary cap?

Posted by: rock-o | July 31, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

@rock-0

www.nhlnumbers.com

It tends to be pretty accurate, lists the cap numbers for all teams.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Ok Kinda thinking that if other better players were willing to take pay cuts to be on the team Jurcina who I don't really like should have been willing to do the same. Kinda feeling like he's a bit greedy. Thinking Erskine never should have gotten what he did though...

Posted by: hockeygrl76 | July 31, 2009 10:56 AM | Report abuse

A lot of defensemen...should make for a highly competitive camp all around!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 31, 2009 11:03 AM | Report abuse

Wow what a log jam at D we have. I'm sure there will be people that disagree but I think Erskine could be 1 of the odd men out. I would think a team would want a player like him for maybe some late round picks. He just turned 29 so he's not too old and has some years left but due to his lack of speed, I have a feeling he may be out. I'm NOT saying I want him gone but if you look at our D (I'm trying not to put in my 2 cents about Schultz as I believe GMGM wants to see if he continues to develope) I think Erskine is the easiest replaced. The thing we do lose is the gritty physical guy and that is a loss but to bring up an Alzner, Carlson or Finley may be better in the long run.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 31, 2009 11:17 AM | Report abuse

Cuts, what cuts? We have Katie, Lindsay, it used to be just Tarik. :-) And that's all because of Alex Ovechkin!


In the second quarter of this year, the newspaper division -- which includes The Post, Washingtonpost.com and some smaller publications -- recorded an $89.3 million loss.

However, that figure includes a one-time $56.8 million charge related to early-retirement (or "buyout") offers taken by 220 Post employees in the quarter, a cost-saving measure. The buyouts are paid from The Post Co.'s pension fund.

Second-quarter newspaper division ad revenue was down 20 percent compared with the same period last year, and online ad revenue was down 9 percent from the second quarter of last year. However, online display advertising ticked up 2 percent.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/07/31/AR2009073101180.html?hpid=moreheadlines

Posted by: CodePoetry | July 31, 2009 11:18 AM | Report abuse

All we need now is Sean Avery. If he'll elbow Juice in exhibition games like he did in playoffs, Milan will get mad and by the end of the season will qualify for Norris.

Posted by: CodePoetry | July 31, 2009 11:21 AM | Report abuse

Congrats Juice!! Looking forward to "Rockin my Red #23" again this season!

Posted by: juicefan | July 31, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

Hopefully the coaching staff will use some new coaching techniques on the team, maybe like this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gb6NYuHJwW0&feature=related

Fast forward to about 2:30

Posted by: superpaqman | July 31, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Good morning, Caps fans. Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to rank the 10 likely D candidates into "Worth more than salary," "Worth about salary" and "worth less than salary," then pick the 7 you'd want on the roster, realizing after the forwards and goalies are paid, you have $16M to spend.

Green 5.250
Poti 3.500
Pothier 2.500
Morrisonn 1.975
Alzner (w/bonus) 1.675
Jurcina 1.375
Erskine 1.250
Schultz 0.715
Sloan 0.640
Collins 0.625
Total 19.505

This post, hopefully, will not self-destruct in five seconds. Remember, you must exclude 3 of those players and $3.5M. Obviously, trades could change things, but this is what we have to work with for now.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

@ tominfl

You have to include Carlson in that discussion because he is better than half of those guys. I know they may want to bring him up slowly but the kid is ready.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 11:51 AM | Report abuse

ThePat: I don't know Carlson's salary. I never heard what he signed for. Naturally you can add him on, but then you have to take away 4. BTW, Pothier, Morrisonn, Jurcina and Sloan are all UFAs after this year.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

I kinda' like Erskine. I kinda' like Jurcina. Any comments contrary to that, I disagree with.

Like it or lump it, I just don't like it. =P

Here's my 2 cents: Knuble and BMo were from outside the organization. Jurcina was already in the organization and to some degree, showed up for the games during the playoffs, and proved that he could step up his game when we needed him to.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 31, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

Don't get me wrong. I'm starting to like Juice more and more. I think he's a great 3rd line D-man. I just think that amount was influenced by the Erskine deal. I'm very glad to see him back and love the depth of d-men we have now. It's rare to see a d-man play all 82 games so there is a comfort factor here. We'll just see if we can keep them all with cap issues.

Posted by: dsphvywght | July 31, 2009 12:03 PM | Report abuse

My two cents are that Sloan and Collins are in Hershey and have no shot being up full time. Even though I believe Carlson is ready, he will start in Hershey. And I believe Poti or Morrisonn is going to be traded.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

here,here.....welcome back, Juice!!!

Posted by: doughless | July 31, 2009 12:08 PM | Report abuse

ThePat: If you trade Poti for a prospect and/or pick, the whole cap issue vanishes.

If you trade Morrisonn, you also have to move one of Pothier, Erskine or Jurcina - or leave Alzner in the minors long enough to make his bonuses unattainable.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 12:10 PM | Report abuse

I have nightmare's where his no look hand pass goes toward the other team and his clearing passes lead to one on none scoring chances or sail over the glass for delay of games. Good thing none of those ever happen.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 31, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

@ tominFL

You don't have to leave them in the minors. Bonuses can be reflected on next year's cap hit rather than this year's cap hit. It couldn't be done next year because they hadn't agreed to extend the CBA. This year that can be done. So you shouldn't include bonuses in any of your cap figures, just an FYI. I think the Caps can include Backstrom's bonus this year and not Alzner's. One of the ways to manipulate the salary cap.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

when i say couldnt be done next year, I of course mean last year.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 12:25 PM | Report abuse

Please be Poti.

ShaMo and Green are a good pair.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 31, 2009 12:27 PM | Report abuse

Not Caps related, but of interest to all NHL fans in the salary cap era we now live in...

Hossa's contract with Blackhawks under NHL scrutiny

Looks like the 'Hawks (and maybe, eventually, other teams?) could be in trouble if these new-fangled long-term contracts (designed to lower a player's cap hit) were negotiated to intentionally circumvent league rules.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

We need to move Morrison for a cheaper dept forward that can rough it up a bit...Maybe someone that goes back and forth between Hershey and The Caps when and if needed.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 31, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

We already have that in guys like Pinizzotto, Bruess and Della Rovere (down the road)

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 31, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

That's way too much for Jurcina.

Posted by: SPKK | July 31, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

My two cents are that Sloan and Collins are in Hershey and have no shot being up full time. Even though I believe Carlson is ready, he will start in Hershey. And I believe Poti or Morrisonn is going to be traded.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

Neither Sloan nor Collins have shown they are ready to crack our lineup. I was hoping we'd hold onto Kronwall.

Mo is a much better player than Poti and he showed it in the playoffs. We have a bit of a logjam at forward too. It would be nice if GM showed some creativity and packaged off Poti, Schultz and maybe 1 of Gordo/Flash/Fehr to bring in a power forward or tough young defenseman

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 31, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil - I agree. Poti costs 3.5 and really doesnt have more playoff experience than anyone currently on the blueline. I think he has the best value in a trade for the Caps.

Green - Mo
Pothier - Erskine/Schultz
Juice - Alzner

Schultz has a 2 way, and Carlson, Sloan, Collins are call ups.

Also as much as he drives me crazy, Schultz doesnt take stupid penalties, has a good +/- and shuts down the lanes on the pk. He'll be ok if he improves his skating.

Posted by: pch49 | July 31, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Concerning Hossa's contract, once the league gets done investigating the Hawks, they can investigate the Flyers and the two years at $500K tacked on to the end of Pronger's new 7-year deal.

ThePat: You are the first to say the bonus penalty, against next year's cap, might not be counted. I will leave bonuses in figures until that is clarified. If Alzner's bonus doesn't count against cap, wouldn't Backstrom's also? You are suggesting every team can go over the cap by the entry-level contract bonus amount, and not be penalized (reduced cap) next year.

Finally, does anyone have a link to John Carlson contract figures?

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

Back on July 21st, J.P. from Japers' Rink posted an interesting statistical analysis of Caps defensemen from last season. He breaks it down by looking at different "D" man pairings and how they performed together, offensively and defensively, with final +/- ratings for each pair to give an idea of their overall levels of effectiveness. Definitely a good read and worth consideration when trying to sort out the blueline logjam.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

Poti was brought in to be an offensive D'man before Green showed up. Power play q'back etc. He is of no use to us at this point since his offensive skills have died. But I am not sure who would want him, kind of like our high priced wing who won't play but refuses to join his buddy in Russia.

Posted by: majiksea | July 31, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1,
You are one of the very few that frequent these boards, that has a clear understanding of what's needed. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Puckguru | July 31, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

You're a non-hockey-playing donkey if you think Poti is useless.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 31, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@ tominfl

The bonus allowance cushion allows for bonuses not to count against this year's cap. They instead would count against next year's cap. I think you can count one player's bonus this year and use the cusion for another player's but I could be wrong on that. All bonuses might have to be counted or not counted. Regardless the use of the bonus cushion will most certainly be in play for the Caps. That will allow them cap room. Thats why currently they $1.5 mill in cap space if the bonus cushion is used for both Alzner and Backstrom.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

i don't think poti is useless - but in the grand scheme of the salary cap - he costs way too much. morrisonn could go to if needed.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 31, 2009 1:27 PM | Report abuse

How could anyone here think Poti is useless? How could anyone think Morrisonn is better than Poti? Too many people here like to focus on a bad play here or there and then pick a guy as a whipping boy.

If you watch the games there is no way that Mo handles the puck even remotely as well as Poti. He rarely has the poise that Poti does with the puck - when was the last time you saw Mo on the penalty kill taking the puck back and ragging it? He doesn't have the puck patience that Poti does.

Boudreau thinks Poti is valuable so that pretty much should end the argument for people - trust in Bruce!

Posted by: Roose | July 31, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

The bonus allowance cushion allows for bonuses not to count against this year's cap. They instead would count against next year's cap. I think you can count one player's bonus this year and use the cusion for another player's but I could be wrong on that. All bonuses might have to be counted or not counted. Regardless the use of the bonus cushion will most certainly be in play for the Caps. That will allow them cap room. Thats why currently they $1.5 mill in cap space if the bonus cushion is used for both Alzner and Backstrom.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 1:00 PM


All potential bonuses have to be included when figuring a player's cap number until each respective bonus becomes unattainable. Explanation of how bonuses work as per the cap FAQ on nhlscap.com.

And, here's the the list of bonuses that are allowed under the current CBA.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Okay, looks like there might be some contradictions between the info on those two pages regarding what does/does not count against the cap, gonna search for clarification.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

@metalCapsfan

That is true but you can make use of the bonus cushion that allows the bonuses to end up counting against next years cap if attained. And that is what the Caps will do this year, they will use that Performance Bonus Cushion.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

It's too bad Zubov signed in KHL. He would have been a great guy to puckup for a season or two to mentor Alzner and Carlson. Caps still don't have a player who the young guys can really learn from.

Posted by: Stu_c | July 31, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

Found the info below on www.thehockeygm.com...

"...Performance Bonus Cushion / Effect On Cap Space

Teams can go over the cap by 7.5% to pay out their bonuses but any money paid over the cap is deferred to the following season.

Example: In 2009/10 the Blackhawks can go over the cap by $4,260,000 to pay bonuses to Toews & Kane (if they earn them) but then the $4,260,000 overflow is deferred to the 2010/11 season where the Blackhawks will have a max cap $4,260,00 less than the number set league wide. If the team has to pay out bonuses but the total doesn't cause them to go over the cap then there are no issues for the following season.

Cap Space Calculations

The cap space available to a team does not include bonuses because there is no guarantee that the player(s) will achieve the levels needed so thus the money may never have to be paid out. The only exception is when the CBA is heading into its final year (like the 2008/09 season where the players had the option to open up the CBA). If the CBA is in its final year (like in 08/09) then all possible bonuses in a player's contract have to be counted towards the cap for that year..."

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1,
You are one of the very few that frequent these boards, that has a clear understanding of what's needed. Keep up the good work.

Posted by: Puckguru | July 31, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

anyone who criticizes GM is ok in the "guru" eyes. however, cstanton, dont you think that if GM could trade one those dmen and a couple forwards for a tough power forward or a young tough dman he would? i mean, how many tough young dmen do you think are available for trade much less for an aging dman w/ a high cap or some fourth line grinding fowards? as they like to say on the sports reporters, a classic sports radio trade. our garbage for your good players.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 31, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

FYI, www.thehockeygm.com has a list of the top UFAs for next summer posted at the bottom of their home page. Yeah, it's a year away, but worth a look.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 1:48 PM | Report abuse

For everyone who bashes Poti for his play in the playoffs, HE PLAYED WITH A BROKEN FOOT. That being said yeah I wouldn't mind trading him and MO for a veteran D and picks/prospects. Poti makes the most sense to trade bc of ppl being worried about Poithers health. Maybe we could package him with circles and get a bag of pucks, the cap space would be worth it lol.

Posted by: caps512 | July 31, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

My feeling is Poti is the best d-man on the team at clearing the puck (out of the zone but not into the seats) on the penalty kill.

ThePat: I will leave bonuses in my cap equations then. Naturally the team can go over, and be shorted next year, but we don't want that with Semin and Backstrom due increases. No robbing Peter to pay Paul (or Mary, for that matter) here. Alzner wasn't so perfect last year that you couldn't leave him down a few months to make the bonuses unattainable.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 2:03 PM | Report abuse

A vote of confidence from puckguru gives me the chills. It's like I imagine him talking like Gollum from the Lord of the Rings.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 31, 2009 2:07 PM | Report abuse

Part of the reason I put all the salaries up earlier was to ask questions exactly like this:

Is Alzner at 1.675 that much better than Sloan at 640?

I think Alzner has a very nice future, but at this point in theor careers - they are pretty close. If the team is as cap-constrained as they are now, we could see Sloan as d-man #6 or 7 while Alzner seasons at Hershey just a bit longer. Let him develop half a year at Hershey, the bonuses disappear, and a half-year of his services then only cost $425K in dollars and cap.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

More cap space calculation contradiction from www.nhlnumbers.com...

"...All Bonuses are included in the Cap Hit calculation to illustrate the "worst-case" scenario for the team. If the bonuses aren't met, the player's Cap Hit will actually be lower. Therefore the current Cap Hit that you see may not be accurate..."

And then there's this interesting scenario I found while looking at a cap FAQ on HFBoards (#18 in the list refers to bonuses)...

"...the total bonuses are averaged out over the life of the SPC (Standard Player Contract) for calculating their annual cap hit as part of the players Averaged Salary, but the credit back for any impossible to achieve bonuses is the actual cash (unaveraged) value of the bonus that year...for example, if an ELS (Entry Level Salary) player has $600K in bonuses in his 3 year ELS SPC, all in year 1, his cap hit for those bonuses is actually $200K/yr. If those bonuses become impossible to achieve during year 1, his team receives the full $600K in extra cap room for the remainder of that year (even though they took only a $200K cap hit in the first place). His team will still take the full $200K/yr hit in years 2 and 3 even though the year 1 bonuses were not earned and their are no further bonuses in years 2 and 3..."

Get all that? No wonder the Caps have a cap-ologist.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

metal,
um..i was told there would be no math in this blog.

i used to think the nhl cap was simple and efficient. no silly guaranted bonus money or restructuring shenanigans like in the NFL. now i know better.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 31, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan: See, this is why us mortals don't really know the cap. Alzner very likely missed out on all bonuses last year. Were the savings for that all in last year or prorated over the three years? If prorated, then he could get all $875K in bonuses this year but cost $275K less than the listed cap figure due to a proration of last year's savings.

If I could have an NHL job, naturally I'd want to be deputy capologist and then get promoted to senior capologist.

Tarik: Please tell Caps I have thirty years exp in Aerospace in Finance and Business operations.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so by the link provided by Metal, we are under the cap by 1.8 mil. But everyone is saying we need to dump people, which is it?

Good lord my head hurts... Darn you all for making me think on a Friday...... How dare you!!!!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@hbcapsfan

we are under the cap essentially. But we could get rid of a D-man just because we have a lot of them.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

The only thing that becomes more clear after finding a lack of clarity regarding bonuses is that it's pretty hard to figure out exactly where any team's cap number currently is without having all the particulars of an individual contract available for viewing.

And then, I remember seeing a post by J.P. on Japers' Rink last season regarding the "paper transactions" teams use to save money against the cap, i.e. sending a player to the AHL on paper while he never actually makes the trip thereby taking him off the active roster for that particular day and saving precious dollars.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1
I know the Caps have a "capologist" I think
he is a young lawyer. He just sits around and reads this blog to get answers to all his cap questions.... right???
Hope things are better with your daughter.
bill d

Posted by: billd2 | July 31, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

Haven't really decided on my D pairings, though I am leaning towards:

Green...Jurcina= 6.625
Shultz...Pothier= 3.215
Mo...Poti= 5.475
------
15.315
With these pairings you could keep either Sloan or Collins as the 7th and let Alzner, along with Carlson season one more year in Hershey


Posted by: realoldcapsfan | July 28, 2009 10:55 PM |

This is from the other day with the updated salary info per earlier post from tominfl

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | July 31, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

For anyone who doesn't know the links to NHL cap calculators, here you go:

www.nhlnumbers.com

www.capgeek.com

www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central

I prefer nhlnumbers.com due to each players current actual salary being displayed on the same page as the cap hit and also whatever bonuses might be available listed by year.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

do any of you know whats wrong with nhl connect?

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 31, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

nhlnumbers is also good during the season for calculating whether a player has to go through waivers.

I also like CapGeek. NHLSCAP/HockeyBuzz format is good, but I don't trust them.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 31, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

so the caps have 1.8 left in sal cap space... afinigenov is interested in dc

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 31, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

@gocaps01

just because they have it don't expect them to sign anyone. If they move a contract that is one thing, then they might go after Max if he'd take $1 mill. They want to have space at the deadline this year to make a move or two.

Posted by: ThePat | July 31, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

i haven't said this yet today....is it october, yet!?!?!

Posted by: doughless | July 31, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

I'd settle for Septemeber.. EA NHL 10

Posted by: thiazzi | July 31, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

The D logjam seems obvious to me. Begin the season with Alzner in Hershey along with Sloan and Collins. Bascically stick with the other 7(Green, Poti, Pothier, Mo, Erskine, Juice and Schultz) and wait for things to unfold and take it from there.

Why is there a problem? There is no logjam. No problem. the more the marrier.

Posted by: broud0 | July 31, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Why is there a problem? There is no logjam. No problem. the more the marrier.

--

This is true. Injuries will solve whatever perceived logjam problem there is or isn't.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 31, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

The D logjam seems obvious to me. Begin the season with Alzner in Hershey along with Sloan and Collins. Bascically stick with the other 7(Green, Poti, Pothier, Mo, Erskine, Juice and Schultz) and wait for things to unfold and take it from there.

Why is there a problem? There is no logjam. No problem. the more the marrier.

Posted by: broud0 | July 31, 2009 3:48 PM

So, if you carry 7, in the unlikely event noone gets injured, who sits? Or do you go with 11 forwards?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Folks, there is a reason teams have a capologist. I spent last night reading the section in the CBA on arbitration (before writing about Jurcina).

I ended up having nightmares.

--Tarik

Posted by: el_bashir | July 31, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

To the person who thinks we are $1.8M under the cap...that's not counting Backstrom's bonus, that he will likely earn. If we overrun, due to bonus, our cap is docked by the overrun amount for the following season. We don't want that!

Bill D: Thanks, we are optimistic. She, my youngest daughter, thought all her loved ones were out to get her. Hospital, medication, therapy, she's a little better. Being a parent alternates between the most wonderful thing in the world to the most gut-wrenching thing in the world.

Believe it or not, this blog helps to keep me going. The one thing I've shared most with my three daughters is my love of hockey. I taught them street hockey and we had season tickets in the 90s before coming to Florida. Even now, I take her to Tampa and Sunrise. She and I wear our jerseys to watch all the games. I must remain hopeful. And proof that the Lord moves in mysterious ways, the middle daughter is getting a doctorate in clinical psychology.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

Looks like it's not just the 'Hawks who are under investigation by the League for attempting to circumvent the rules...

NHL investigating Flyers in regards to Pronger contract

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1.
My son has bi-polar disorder, give me a shout off blog
dorgeloh@infionline.net

Posted by: billd2 | July 31, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

Not so quick on moving Erskine, he played well in the playoffs. And with Brashear gone, he's one of the few guys willing to fight we have left.

Posted by: kcbrichmond | July 31, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1.
I get the bonus overrun stuff, but the nhlnumbers.com site states that it has calculated in the bonuses paid out to players during the year into their cap number. That player doesn't get the bonus paid out, then their salary is lower on the cap hit. I could have miss read that though.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

"...All Bonuses are included in the Cap Hit calculation to illustrate the "worst-case" scenario for the team. If the bonuses aren't met, the player's Cap Hit will actually be lower. Therefore the current Cap Hit that you see may not be accurate..." from their nhlnumber.com site again.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I take that to mean the 1.8 mil under the cap that is shown there is including Backstrom's Bonus for this year.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

There are 3 decent sites that will tell you how much space you have under the cap. All of them have different balances remaining.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 31, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Like I said before, Thanks for making me think on a Friday.... :( Is it hockey season yet?????? God lord the summer is dragging..

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 5:09 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I give up.... I will stick to just watching hockey and not trying to figure out the cap-crap... ;)

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

Hey all! Here's a great link I found in one of Japers' posts. Wanna know which line or combination of players was most productive points-wise for any NHL team (covers the last 2 seasons and playoffs)? Well, this site allows you to figure it out. It's broken down by even strength, power play, and shorthanded, or you can get combined results. Check it out!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Okay, for all those who have headaches due to all the cap numbers stuff, check out this vid of one of the greatest intermission promotions ever. It'll give you a good laugh.

Weiner Dog Races on Ice!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2y_wtGtHFEA&feature=related

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

@hbscapsfan: Be careful. You may end up losing $4.3 million and not know about if you don't pay attention to this cap crap. =P

Sorry, I'd prefer to just watch hockey and not really care how much someone gets. The only relevant comparison is that all those guys earn more money than I'll ever see in my lifetime, which just makes me just a tad depressed. Again, is it October yet?!!!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 31, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

That is an interesting link, Metal.

Check out the Caps in the Report Generator. Look at the cost/point chart. Look at #8 and 10.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 31, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

That is an interesting link, Metal.

Check out the Caps in the Report Generator. Look at the cost/point chart. Look at #8 and 10.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 31, 2009 5:34 PM

Kozlov was a relative bargain, as was Schultz, but didn't expect to see Flash at the top of the list. Looks like that site will be quite useful going forward with all the various stats/comparison charts available all in one place, especially for the fantasy team owners out there. h/t to J.P. for finding it.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

Y'all need to be careful spelling those last names, kids! Every time I see someone suggesting we trade Morrison, I want to say "wait until we see him play a game for us, first!"

Shaone Morrisonn
Brendan Morrison (one 'n')
Jordan Zimmermann
Ryan Zimmerman (one 'n')
Sergei FedOrov.

/spelling wench

...holy crap this summer's dragging.

Posted by: SEvanson | July 31, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

It's funny that when you look at point production per dollar earned, it's the new guys that are the biggest bang for the buck.

For D-men, Green is ranked 67th while Schultz is 44th.

Backstrom is 3rd while OV isn't even in the top 200.

Numbers are funny.

Posted by: Greg S. | July 31, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

OK, for anyone questioning the cap, here is a copy from my spreadsheet. I think this is more accurate than some of those sites. The only thing I don't know, as I pointed out above, is if Alzner's failure to achieve bonuses last year influences his cap for this year.

Ovechkin 9.538
Nylander 4.875
Semin 4.600
Knuble 2.800
Clark 2.633
Backstrom 2.400
Laich 2.067
Morrison 1.500
Bradley 1.000
Fehr 0.772
Gordon 0.761
Flash 0.725
Steckel 0.725
Aucoin 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 34.896
Green 5.250
Poti 3.500
Pothier 2.500
Alzner (w/bonus) 1.675
Jurcina 1.400
Erskine 1.250
Schultz 0.715
S/T 7 Defensemen 16.290
Theodore 4.500
Varlamov 0.850
S/T 2 Goalies 5.350
Total 23 Players 56.536
Clymer (Buyout) 0.367
Total 23 Players + Clymer 56.903
Cap Space (Est) 56.800
Available -0.103
Extra Players
Morrisonn 1.975
Sloan 0.640
Collins 0.625
Bourque 0.578
Extra Players - Sum 3.818

Now, look it over very carefully. Check the numbers and see how they add up. If Backie and Alzner play all 82 games, the bonuses are likely. See if you find any mistakes. I have put a full roster of 23, since anyone on that roster to be sent down would need waivers (except Alzner). Even some not included (ShaMo and Bourque, maybe Sloan) need waivers to go down. Please see that even with ShaMo not included they are over the cap. This is the best I can do. I think my list is very accurate.

Signed, Tom in Florida aka Keeper of the Cap List

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Greg S:

No, numbers aren't funny.

Numbers are the most beautiful things in the world. They make total sense if you figure them out and don't ever talk back.

The Good Lord created Man and the Earth. Man then created Numbers (and ice hockey!). The Good Lord then put me here and gave me but one skill, but He gave that skill in spades.

Just as soon as I get totally blown away that I can earn a truly fine living by just working with numbers, I realize people make way more than I do just because they can throw a round ball thru a hoop.

Numbers make complete sense - but the world makes no sense.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 31, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

Aside from having mega athletic talent (or making it big in the entertainment industry), many of the higher paying professions require skill in mathematics. (Engineering, Info Tech, Finance/Accounting, Doctor, etc.) I'm in the IT industry myself.

BTW, hope your daughter does better soon.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 31, 2009 7:33 PM | Report abuse

MetalCapsFan: Thanks for the link. Weiner dog races on ice -- surely the highlight of my day!

Posted by: uncatim | July 31, 2009 8:26 PM | Report abuse

Here's a GREAT trivia question:
Who was on the cover of LAST year's Caps Media Guide?

Answer in 2 hours... (10:30 pm EST)

Posted by: CAP-lanta | July 31, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

caplanta, if i'm not mistaken, the answer is no one. wasnt it all on line and not printed out...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 31, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan - you're almost right. True, the Caps only issued a disk this year for the media guide. This is Ted's idea of being "cutting edge." As the owner of every Caps (hard copy) media guide, I think the idea is lame but he's the owner...

But I am referring to the cover of that disk...

Posted by: CAP-lanta | July 31, 2009 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Hockeybuzz.com's Capitals blogger Steven Hindle on the Jurcina signing and it's implications for the roster with specualtion on possible trade moves. Check it out!

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 31, 2009 10:38 PM | Report abuse

Ok, I give up.... I will stick to just watching hockey and not trying to figure out the cap-crap... ;)

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 31, 2009 5:13 PM

I couldn't agree more. I've lived and died with sports all my life but adding up the payrolls to see where they are with the cap is a litle too much even for me.

Posted by: joek443 | July 31, 2009 10:41 PM | Report abuse

Tominfl1: glad to hear your youngest is doing better and here's to her continued improvement. This blog keeps a lot of us going throughout many trials, so you're not alone in that regard.

If I had to get rid of a D person at this point, and I mean "hold a gun to my head and demand that I name someone", it'd have to be Shaone Morrisonn. Like caps512 said, Poti played with a broken foot during the playoffs, and he's great. Can't touch Green, of course, and Pothier was a great comeback story who needs to be playing regularly so he can be evaluated. So much heart with that guy, though.

Maybe Morrisonn, Sloan and Collins, but that still doesn't add up to 3.5 mil.

I'm going to have to check out metalcapsfan's link.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 31, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and I meant to say that Alzner MUST stay.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 31, 2009 10:51 PM | Report abuse

Answer: Mike Knuble! Check it out: the cover features the start of a game vs. the Flyers - and there's #22 (look closely). Guess it was a sign...

Posted by: CAP-lanta | July 31, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

1) Very good quiz question!
2) Puck drops two months from today!
3) Sorry to those who are bored with cap discussions...but, there's not much else to talk about. The club has signed more players than it can keep, and that naturally leads to conjecture: who will stay; who will go. Also, sometimes people will suggest, "We should keep him, him and him," when, in fact, you can't, due to cap.

There will be at least one, if not two, trades. The final roster spots won't be decided until the last minute. There will be speculation galore on whether or not Carlson can jump into the mix. There will be endless Nylander rumors, to which Nyles will scratch his bald head and say, "What?"

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 1, 2009 6:41 AM | Report abuse

Minor league moves yesterday:

http://johnwaltonhockey.blogspot.com/

Posted by: tess2201 | August 1, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

Tomfin, I am glad your girl is doing a little better. Watching the Caps has gotten me thru many difficult times in my life. Gets my mind off of stress and out of the house doing something I enjoy w family or friends. So heres to watching the Caps w your daughter in two months. Lets GO Caps!!

Posted by: capsfan01 | August 1, 2009 11:02 AM | Report abuse

Josh Gratton signs to the Thrashers/Wolves.

for kitty, et all:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZzyOBhk5Uw

Pothier sighting !

Posted by: richmondphil | August 1, 2009 11:16 AM | Report abuse

cool, I kinda miss goalies with a short fuse such as Billy Smith and Ron Hextall.. don't have too many of them anymore. Too many European almost robotic goalies... LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 1, 2009 11:24 AM | Report abuse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XV9YHIx9_Ms

Snow vs. Shields. From the infamous 97 brawl.

And of course, nothing says hockey like two best friends "going at it."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RhrFsUyfec

Goalie fights are the best fights.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 1, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: I'd be embarrassed to be lauded by Puckguru. :)

I think it's important for a lot of people to remember that there's more than one way to run this railroad. Just because things aren't done exactly how you think they should be doesn't mean that it won't work and it's no good. You're welcome to your opinion, and I'm welcome to mine, and usually the truth evades both of us. :) If you are frustrated that GMGM isn't doing what you think he should, maybe you just need to be more open-minded.

@tominfl1: I think the best site I've found as far as cap calculations go is Capgeek.com. It makes retarded lines but calculates cap figures very cleanly and gives a good picture of who gets what and where a team stands.

@richmondphil: Thanks :)

Posted by: kittypawz | August 1, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I still can't beleive he is really back.

Emery for Vezina/Conn Smyth 09-10.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 1, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

if Emery wins the Conn Smyth, does that mean that the Flyers are gonna win the Cup next year??

speaking of comebacks, this is classic Michael Schumacher... 99.9 percent of the drivers would have either given up or crashed but not him, it's what defines the greatest.. guys like Jordan, Tiger, Gretzky and Schumi, not only their enormous talent and work ethic but also their refusal to give up.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dP2beoMYkzU

Posted by: joek443 | August 1, 2009 3:13 PM | Report abuse

Capitals Top 20 Prospects accoring to Hockey's Future:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/articles/11356/capitals_top20_prospects_fall2009/

Warning: don't take what they say as gospel. It's a fairly informative read, but just one man's opinion. I usually try to read as many opinions as possible on prospects. Anton takes a big tumble since he was No. 2 at one time. I'm suprised Kugryshev was rated that low. The description of Orlov gives me a lot of hope for the future

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | August 1, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

kitty: Thanks for capsgeek, I have it now bookmarked. You just have to remember when it says you have cap space that is in't counting Backstrom's bonus.

And, it shows Carlson has a very nice $846K cap hit for the next three years. ONce he makes the team, he will be a great value.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 1, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

Remember this one?

Ovechkin and Eddie "The Eagle" Belfour get into it (2/3/06):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOTrgb8BisU

I think Olie vs. Belfour would been a good one, shame it didn't escalate, guess Belfour figured it was better to stick to assaulting people and cops in hotels, with some attempted bribery thrown in for good measure.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 1, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

And, speaking of Olie, he wasn't afraid to get involved, that's for sure. Check him out in Clip 1 Caps vs. the Penguins in the '96 playoffs:

Clip 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-GYuIenNt8&feature=channel_page

Clip 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uuJaaVEg_EA&feature=channel_page

Clip 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GCuLZRGzQjg&feature=channel_page

Figured I'd throw in #2 and #3 just for historical reference haha. Definitely worth watching to see Schoeny arguing with the Pens coaches over the partition between the benches and egging on the Pittsburgh crowd as he's leaving the ice after being ejected.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 1, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

So by predicting Emery for Vezina and Conn/Smythe, you're predicting that the Flyers will go all the way (and win the Stanley Cup)?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 1, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

I see that over at "Peerless Prognosticator" they're doing a "What if the Caps hadn't landed the first pick in 2004?" It's on the second installment. Ovy ends up with the Pens. We get Cam Barker. And then the following year, the Rangers get Crosby.

They don't get Pokuluk in 2005. They get Erik Johnson in 2006 (the fellow on the St. Louis Blues who missed the entire last season) instead of Nicky B.

The sports establishment is fearing for the Caps long term future in Washington.

Gee, that thing's a nightmare.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 1, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

So by predicting Emery for Vezina and Conn/Smythe, you're predicting that the Flyers will go all the way (and win the Stanley Cup)?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 1, 2009 4:34 PM |

See: Giggy.

If the Lady Byng was awarded to non-skaters, he'd win that too!

Posted by: richmondphil | August 1, 2009 7:39 PM | Report abuse

Nearly $1.4M for a defenseman who is no better than 7th on the depth chart... good luck with moving that. Right now the Caps top 6 defensemen are:

Green, Poti, Pothier, Morrisonn, Alzner, Schultz. Erskine is at about the same level as Jurcina (although Erskine gets way more out of his talent than Jurcina does... Juice has more talent to be sure.)

We'll see what happens at training camp, but if it goes like I think it will, Jurcina won't make the team and will be put on waivers before being sent down to Hershey (or, better, being claimed by someone else...) I can't see the Caps carrying 8 defensemen, and at the salary Jurcina was awarded, his trade value has gone to zero.

Posted by: MikeL-Caps91 | July 31, 2009 12:32 PM |

You must have been born in 1991, correct? Jurcina was our best defenseman in the playoffs last year; FACT. Jurcina has plenty of trade value at this contract, and would be a 4-6 d-man on a lot of teams; FACT.

He would get picked up on waivers so quickly, it would not even be funny.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 1, 2009 7:51 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone know when season tix are being delivered?

Thanks

Posted by: blindskateluke | August 1, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

We are projecting that season tickets for the 2009-10 season will be delivered to you on or around September 10, 2009. As we receive more detailed information regarding the delivery timeline we will make sure to provide you with updates.

Posted by: _LFR | August 2, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

I'm sorry, I copy/pasted this from the e-mail that I received from the CAPS. Hit the submit button too fast.

Posted by: _LFR | August 2, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

For those of you wondering if we're under the cap or not, we are and we're not. Could we go into the season with what we have legally? Yes. But, we're depending on the "bonus cushion". Under the bonus cushion, bonuses up to 7.5% of our salary structure aren't counted against the cap if they're not paid out. If they are paid out, they'll count against our cap next year, not this year.

So, we're technically legal, but with the salary cap slated to go down next year and our need to re-sign Backstrom, Semin, Steckel, Varlamov, and several others, we're going to need all the salary cap space we can get. That is why Nylander's NMC ends literally just in time for us, why Theo probably will not be re-signed unless something happens to either Varlamov or Neuvirth, and why we do not want to be monkeying with the bonus cushion if we can possibly avoid it.

Here's what our current picture looks like. Ignore the dumb lines, capgeek.com does auto-lines by salary. I put Chris Bourque in since it'll be him or Aucoin that graduates most likely and he's got the higher salary of the two.

(cont'd since the auto-censor bit me for some reason)

Posted by: kittypawz | August 2, 2009 8:37 AM | Report abuse

AUTO-GENERATED CAPGEEK.COM LINES
FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Michael Nylander ($4.875m) / Alexander Semin ($4.600m)
Mike Knuble ($2.800m) / Chris Clark ($2.633m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($2.400m)
Brooks Laich ($2.067m) / Brendan Morrison ($1.500m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m)
Eric Fehr ($0.772m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.761m) / Dave Steckel ($0.725m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($0.725m) / Chris Bourque ($0.578m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green ($5.250m) / Tom Poti ($3.500m)
Brian Pothier ($2.500m) / Shaone Morrisonn ($1.975m)
Milan Jurcina ($1.375m) / John Erskine ($1.250m)
Jeff Schultz ($0.715m)
GOALTENDERS
Jose Theodore ($4.500m) / Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 23; PAYROLL: $57.227m; CAP ROOM: $1.223m BONUSES: $1.650m

Remembering that the salary cap is $56.8m, we're $427K over right now. Backstrom's the only one with a bonus written into his contract (in fact, that's most of his cap hit) and I can't see him not getting it if he plays 82 games. So, next year our cap maximum would be whatever the league maximum is minus $427K. Ouch, IMHO. Not to mention having to leave room for injury callups.

Do we have to trade someone? Not really, no, but it'd be a really bad idea not to at least try. I'd be surprised if Alzner isn't ready, and there's a fine line between overcooking and letting a top prospect molder and not develop because there isn't room.

The only ones we can trade that wouldn't put us in an even worse spot bringing Alzner up are Green, Poti, Pothier, and ShaMo. Green - not happening, sorry, and I'd smack GMGM if he did. Poti ... kinda doubt it, but maybe. Pothier probably doesn't have a lot of trade value, given his injury situation, GM's will want to see him play a full season unharmed before they consider him. Plus, his story makes him a hometown hero, so he has more value to the Caps right now, and he's a solid and cool puck-mover. I think (and hope) we keep him. ShaMo's the most likely to be dangled, IMO. His stats are replaceable, his contract is decent for his experience, and there's a lot of teams who might want him.

Posted by: kittypawz | August 2, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

The bonus carry-over was only for 2005-06 through 2007-08. Beginning last year, the cap was a hard cap and bonuses were applied to the same year's cap number. So this year, the Caps need to be mindful of both Backstrom's and Alzner's bonuses ($2.45 million combined). Osala and Beagle have bonuses too, but they are only about 300k combined and they probably won't hit them anyway.

Posted by: jst7q | August 2, 2009 9:21 AM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

Would agree with you that trading Morrisonn is a logical thing to do. While I have nothing personal against Poti, he's probably tradable at this point also. He's a great veteran leader but it's not like he gives us much more than the others, plus he was injured most of the year.

Anyone trading Green needs a "checkup from the neck up". But I think some of our fans were ready to do it after the Pens series.

We probably couldn't get much for Pothier, plus, he's more valuable to the Caps than to anyone else at this point.

Next question, what could we get in trades for Morrisonn and/or Poti? Draft picks?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 2, 2009 10:32 AM | Report abuse

@jst7q: I thought that was a 1-year thing, and that the bonus cushion is usable this year.

@CapsFan75: I see two problems with trading Poti that make him not a first choice for the club. One, he's the most experienced blueliner on a very young blueline that's likely to get younger still. Two, his cap hit ($3.5m) means that his value won't be satisfied in prospects and picks a la Aaron Ward. The league would never approve that. They'd have to take a roster player back, and that's something the Caps don't really want to do. ShaMo you could trade for a prospect and a decent pick and get away with it. This is a pure salary dump and logjam clear, and ShaMo is better suited to that.

Posted by: kittypawz | August 2, 2009 10:37 AM | Report abuse

Trade Poti.

ShaMo would be a huge mistake. Here is a scary thought; Green has never performed well without ShaMo.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 2, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

FWIW, Aaron Ward was traded for a NHL contract, in which the Bruins bought his contract out right away.

Posted by: richmondphil | August 2, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

Our team is a pretty tough team to figure out who to trade.

Kitty pointed out the downside of trading Poti, which I can see also. Our blue line definitely lacks experience.

RichmondPhil pointed out that Green doesn't perform well w/o Morrisonn. I haven't analyzed that situation myself.

All in all, Morrisonn is probably the most logical guy to trade.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | August 2, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

I think trading Morrisonn would be a huge mistake, and I usually never say that. Poti or Pothier need to go before him, IMO. The likelihood of that happening though, who knows. ShaMo is obviously the easiest to trade without any other problems, but if we could get Poti off the books, that would be awesome.

I don't think Poti brings anything special. We can bring in a vet, SAH, guy for a lot cheaper than 3.5

Posted by: richmondphil | August 2, 2009 11:10 AM | Report abuse

I thought that was a 1-year thing, and that the bonus cushion is usable this year.

Posted by: kittypawz | August 2, 2009 10:37 AM

You are correct. The cap for 2008-09 was a "hard cap", all salaries + bonuses included in the cap number calculation. The players had the option to "re-open" the CBA until May 18th, 2009. If they had exercised that right, this past season would have been the last for this CBA. Since they took no action, the bonus cushion is in effect in '09-'10 as it had been for the first 3 years of this CBA.

From Sec. 3.1 of the CBA - the CBA agreement runs until September 15, 2011, after which it will automatically extend year-to-year unless either the NHL or NHLPA elect to cancel. If either side chooses to cancel the CBA, notice must be given at least 120 days before the Sept. 15th auto-renewal date. The NHLPA has the option to extend the CBA an additional year till Sept. 15th, 2012 with 120 days notice prior to Sept. 15, 2011.

So, might not be a bonus cushion for 2010-11.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 2, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil: I'm listening, but you've got to back that up with more than the statement itself. Why do you think that trading ShaMo is a mistake? I've told you why, from a logical standpoint, I think that Mo goes first. I'm open to a good debate, but tell me why you think he's not. :)

Posted by: kittypawz | August 2, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

I think Poti is the best defenseman on the PK. Who is better? Anyway, Poti is adept at corralling the puck and clearing it down the ice. The other guys try to chip it along the boards and it gets held into the zone.

All of them have the problem of chasing one player and then being out of position. Kevin Hatcher made a science out of that - leaving his RD spot to pin someone in the corner while another player scored from Hatcher's vacated spot.

I'm hoping the new asst coach will put them on leashes.

Posted by: tominfl1 | August 2, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tess2201 | August 2, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

he's ready to quit the NHL if he's prevented from playing?

glad to see that he got his priorities straight.. LOL

Posted by: joek443 | August 2, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the link Tess! Now I know why it is called "getting lucky".

Posted by: uncatim | August 3, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

At even strength, Mike Green scores as much with Schultz as with ShaMo - 12 pts. next highest producing line was Alzner and Juice with 10 pts.

If you want to see line production, go to:

http://www.dobberhockey.com/frozenpool_production.php

They also have shot at the Caps starting lines for next year.

Washington

Ovechkin
Backstrom
Semin
Knuble
B.Morrison
Fleischmann

Washington is pretty set for top six talent. Brooks Laich and Eric Fehr could push for a top six role, but I don’t see that happening.

Green
Poti
Schultz
Alzner

Shaone Morrisonn and Brian Pothier are the only other candidates who are likely to push for top four ice time.

Posted by: Greg S. | August 3, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

We're also left with the problem of drowning in defensemen, Greg. I'm not sure Alzner's even going to make the club this year.

Posted by: kittypawz | August 3, 2009 8:59 AM | Report abuse

not my lines, kitty. Dobber's picks.

Posted by: Greg S. | August 3, 2009 9:04 AM | Report abuse

An article in Expressen (a major Swedish newspaper) published an interview with Nylander this morning. Apparently, Jagr has called Nyls several times begging him to come to Russia but Nyls claims he can't "break" the contract with Caps. He's also stating he definitely wants out of DC and that Bruce has told him (flat out) that he's not good enough.

Posted by: jakopz | August 3, 2009 10:34 AM | Report abuse

@ jakopz
Seems if that were true, He'd drop his no movement clause, the Caps would trade him by picking up 1.5 of his contract, I think a lot teams would take him for 3 mil, and he'd be gone. I don't believe the article

Posted by: billd2 | August 3, 2009 10:40 AM | Report abuse

I know, it sounds odd but the article is accurate (Nyls doesn't seem to be though). It's in all the newspapers this morning and conducted by TT. (equivalent of AP in Sweden)

Posted by: jakopz | August 3, 2009 10:53 AM | Report abuse

@billd2

Caps can't pick up any of his contract if dealt. That was done away with as part of the new CBA.

Posted by: ThePat | August 3, 2009 10:58 AM | Report abuse

If Nyls wants out, if, all he has to do is find out what the KHL team will pay him. Go to the Caps and say I will take and agree to a payout for X amount of dollars. He will not lose any money. Then both sides can agree and the contract will be taken care of and he will move along. That is what agents are for.
I do not believe he wants to go to the KHL and leave North America with his family.

Posted by: RichC3 | August 3, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

If the article is true, I don't get BB telling Nyls that he is not "good enough"? Doesn't fit his system maybe, but not good enough doesnt sound right, it doesnt sound like BB. I certainly hope that is not true. I like Nyls and think he can be an asset to many clubs in the NHL.

Posted by: Grape8 | August 3, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

RichC3, that's not legal under the CBA. The only way to cancel a contract is the buyout. The only way to get to the KHL without the buyout is passing through waivers first so the Caps can loan him out and Nyls obviously doesn't want to risk getting claimed by Tampa or some other lousy team.

Posted by: koalatek | August 3, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, if Nyls wants to go, all he'd have to do is ask to be "loaned" to a KHL team. There is precedent (in 2007):

Rangers loan Kasparaitis to Russian team

And, Nyls wouldn't necessarily have to uproot his family. The KHL regular season is 56 games (Sept-Feb), with 4 rounds of playoffs possible (2 best of five, 2 best of seven) with the champ crowned in April. Lots of dads travel abroad for business that keeps them away from home for awhile (think military).

His apparent lack of desire to go may have more to do with the comparatively less cushy living situations for the teams and the fact that many are in financial trouble. Riding the pine is easier than dealing with uncertainties over there.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 3, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

All in all, it stinks that BB has made it so clear to Nyls...Nyls is obviously not going to invest in turning things around which one can understand if what BB has communicated to him is true.

Posted by: jakopz | August 3, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

An article in Expressen (a major Swedish newspaper) published an interview with Nylander this morning. Apparently, Jagr has called Nyls several times begging him to come to Russia but Nyls claims he can't "break" the contract with Caps. He's also stating he definitely wants out of DC and that Bruce has told him (flat out) that he's not good enough.

Posted by: jakopz | August 3, 2009 10:34 AM

Anyone else wish that interviews like this were conducted by the team beat writers and not by reporters overseas? No criticism meant particularly, but couldn't Nylander be asked the same questions by the local media in DC? Or is there fear of stirring the pot? I'm not suggesting that there needs to be an adversarial relationship between the press and team, but isn't part of the press' job to root out info instead of reporting the company line, or not reporting anything at all? I mean, did we ever get a proper explanation of why Steve Eminger was in McPhee's doghouse for so long? He did manage to get into the playoffs against Philly and did well enough for the Flyers to want to trade for him, so why the almost season long benching by the Caps? No answers were ever provided, other than Boudreau deferring questions about it to McPhee. Isn't that a cue to get out the shovel and dig?

In fairness, maybe Nylander has been asked to give interviews in the past and declined, but since he's talking to a writer in Sweden, maybe it's time to seek out an inty again? The Nylander story is a very important issue to all of us who follow the Caps on a daily basis, so it'd be nice to see what the guy has to say when asked by our fave local Caps reporters. You think the 'Skins beat writers wouldn't pursue a story with far reaching implications for that team?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | August 3, 2009 2:18 PM | Report abuse

@MetalCapsFan

Amen brother. That article should've been in the Post months ago.

Posted by: jakopz | August 3, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

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