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It's official: Nylander to Grand Rapids

The Caps and Grand Rapids have confirmed that Michael Nylander has accepted a loan to the Girffins. That means he's off Washington's 23-man roster, and more importantly, his $4.875 million cap hit is off the books.

The team's release may only be four sentences long. But this is a huge development for the salary cap strapped Caps.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  December 13, 2009; 8:06 PM ET
 
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Thank you, Hockey Jesus.

Posted by: noptov | December 13, 2009 8:15 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: tess2201 | December 13, 2009 8:17 PM | Report abuse

best xmas present ever!

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

I'm shocked cotton...

Posted by: superpaqman | December 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

We should just save the cap for a rainy day imho. Were fine with the people we have now and no point using it up unless injuries happen.

Posted by: nickiefan83 | December 13, 2009 8:19 PM | Report abuse

Play well and be happy Nyles. Wish you success.

For all the Nylander haters, you should wish him success because if he plays well he can be traded for a pick rather than gone for nothing.

Posted by: lornemyoung | December 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Let's have a parade!!! Will he be with the griffins next year too? Can the wings call him up?

Posted by: gocaps01 | December 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

no. use it for alzner

Posted by: mwalk1 | December 13, 2009 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Is it just for this season? Will he still be counted against the cap for next season? I'm thinking about the cap space we'll need to resign our RFAs, especially Backstrom and Semin.

Posted by: DannyBoy1975 | December 13, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Finally the saga ends. I'm glad we have the cap space but wish it could have ended better for him.

Don't see them doing anything immediate unless its calling up Alzner.

Posted by: ThePat | December 13, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

Nicky, i see the caps calling up Karl, particularly with pots hurting . Still. Gives them room to pay backs and Karl bonuses with some tip money left over.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 13, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

I still hope we find out the dirt someday.. He really must have done something to tick off someone in the org..

Posted by: kmr2r | December 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

He does have a cap hit next year but his no move clause expires. They can ship him to Hershey and no cap hit. He could also retire and I believe no cap hit cause he was under 35 when he signed his contract.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

YYEEEAAAHHHH

Posted by: DFuse87 | December 13, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

1. GOD BLESS AMERICA! This, BTW is the true lead story. But, of course, I know WaPo has to get on its knees for Snyder and co.

2. The saved money should not be spent until the trade deadline/playoff push.

3. As previously stated, I believe one K. Alzner is due some NHL time. He must be doing cartwheels right about now.

4. I guarantee you the terms of the loan do not permit Nylander to play for Detroit. The Caps still own his rights and pay his salary.

5. My guess is if the Caps can't trade him next year and GR wants him - the Caps would rather have him there than take up a roster spot in Hershey.

6. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

Posted by: CF11555 | December 13, 2009 8:29 PM | Report abuse

can't believe its finally over. This has to be a trick.

Posted by: trunkenmath | December 13, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

His cap hit will be there next year until they can trade him to where ever since his NMC is gone and the Wings can not call him up since he is just being loaned to Grand Rapids. It is the same way with teams that don't have an AHL team. They assign their players to different teams and the just call them up later.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 8:31 PM | Report abuse

Thanks Icehammer.

So everybody shouldn't get too excited about this, as Icehammer had explained, Nylander's cap hit will still affect resigning Backstrom and Semin.

Posted by: DannyBoy1975 | December 13, 2009 8:35 PM | Report abuse

But for how long?

Posted by: alanb1 | December 13, 2009 8:43 PM | Report abuse

"So everybody shouldn't get too excited about this"

Uhhh wrong. This is huge for the Caps.

Posted by: southside721 | December 13, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Wrong. Because next year if we can't trade him, we can always assign him to Hershey.

We'll have to pay his salary, but it won't count towards the cap.......

Posted by: CF11555 | December 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

DannyBoy1975 for now but it is good because now we don't have to worry about being in the bonus cushion which would take away from next year's cap space. Also since the NMC is gone next year we can ship him to Siberia and he can't say anything about it.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 8:46 PM | Report abuse

Cool!

Posted by: rachel216 | December 13, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Next year, shipping Nylander and his 6 kids to Semin's hometown in Siberia sounds really good.

Posted by: DannyBoy1975 | December 13, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

I just want to wish Nylander well wherever he ends up playing. It is very sad to see his career come to this, but I guess playing somewhere, anywhere, is better than sitting in the stands.

He was a good player, and perhaps well rested and fully healed, he will help some team out there.

But, on to what is best for the Caps, I am looking forward to seeing guys like Alzner come up and hopefully stay up with the big club!

Go Caps.

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | December 13, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Yippee again!

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 13, 2009 8:59 PM | Report abuse

yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes yes.....

Posted by: daddy_axe | December 13, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

One thing! Suppose GR decides they don't want him? I assume he has agreed to move to GR but no place else. If they send him back we are screwed again. But the reason we did not buy him out is that we can move him next year. If we had bought him out he would have been a cap hit next year and i believe the year after. My gosh I am glad to see his circling butt in Mich and hopes he plays lights out and they keep him. The Wings cannot call him up, but should they want him, I can tell you George will not take a hard line in the negotiations. In fact this may be a deal between MN, Wings, and Caps, play in GR, impress us, and we will trade a bucket of practice pucks for you. George would trade him for a broken stick to save the 9 mil!

Posted by: majiksea | December 13, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Christmas Miracle

Posted by: daddy_axe | December 13, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Glad this is finally over. I wish him all the best, he's handled this whole thing pretty well!! at least outrightly.

Hoping Alzner is a Cap for good! like seeing him up here and we always seem to do well with him around

Hope the boys are sleeping off this weekend and will be fresh on tuesday! if we ever needed a couple day break its now! LETS GO CAPS!

Posted by: mrszilla | December 13, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

Glad to see this over with Nylander. Lets give credit to the person who broke the news first. Steven Hindle had this at noon time. None of the hockey media pundits had the scoope on it.

Posted by: samb99 | December 13, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

This had to happen. Not hating Nylander, though.....it's amazing we sunk so much salary in an aging 2nd liner, when we were committed to rebuilding at the time.

Posted by: C-way | December 13, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

God Bless you Mr.Nylander and good luck in Grand Rapids. Whew ..... what a relief.

Posted by: noreaster1 | December 13, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

I we can keep him off our cap for next seaon as well, does anybody think there could be a chance of keeping Backie and Semin?

Posted by: capscoach | December 13, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Ok now I can start jumping for joy. I hope Nyls does well in GR and we get calls from other teams to trade for him but, even if we don't, I am happy either way. He gets to play and we get the cap space.

For those of you concerned about next year, now we don't have to worry about this year's bonuses hurting next year's salary. Also, Nyls NMC is gone as of July 1 (don't quote me on the date) so we can trade him anywhere and he cannot say a thing. Guaranteed we don't have his salary affecting our cap next year.

I hope this means that King Karl gets back up here soon but there is no rush right now. Not to mention as soon as everyone gets healthy that we still won't have room for him unless we trade someone to get under the 23 man roster. But if some of our D are nursing injuries and can be rested right now then, by all means, get Karl in his car right now.

Christmas came early for all of us and I am ecstatic and this completely take the bad taste of last night out of my mouth.

GO CAPS!!!!

Posted by: pkendrick | December 13, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

majiksea GR agreed to the move and the loan is for the rest of the year so I don't think they can send him back but why would they want to? The Caps are still paying his salery and there is no cap to worry about in the AHL so he is a free player. As for a trade with Detroit it won't happen. Detroit has no cap room at all for him and by the time he would be in good enough shape after not playing or practicing in a long time the Wings would be getting their guys back so they wouldn't want him then anyway. Best case is he plays amazing and NYR or someone who has been looking for a scoring center decides his cap hit around the deadline is low enough to go for and if it doesn't work they can send him to Russia next year. We won't get anything for him but at least we won't have to pay him next year.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Absolutely capscoach. It's not a matter of if though. He won't be on our cap next year. And with Theo coming off the books that is a total of 9.375M in cap space that can be used for those 2.

Posted by: pkendrick | December 13, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

Also, I think this is just the 1st domino to fall. I bet that GMGM has been waiting for this so that he can make some other moves as well. Don't be surprised if someone else gets traded now.

Posted by: pkendrick | December 13, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

capscoach they will have a chance to sign them both the question will be how much does Semin want because if it is too much we may want to keep some of our other guys instead of him and get a cheaper replacement or replace him with Flash or Liach on the top/second line and sign a shut down D man. It will depend on Semin's demands and if he wants to play with Ovechkin and the Caps or wants as much money as possible which means he is going to the KHL.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 9:35 PM | Report abuse

I would love to know exactly what he did to ensure that he would never again get on the ice with the Caps?

Posted by: majiksea | December 13, 2009 9:41 PM | Report abuse

Why would he go to the KHL... I am sure there are plenty of NHL teams willing to pay for him.

Posted by: capscoach | December 13, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

So is he off our books for good?

Is he just off for the remainder of this season?

I'm not sure I understand.

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 13, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

If we can just ship him off to GR with no cap consequences, why wouldn't more teams do this with high priced under-performing players to clear cap room? I understand that we have to pay him, but still...

Posted by: RickyBobby | December 13, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

pkendrick:
it possible that they could make a trade - but i hope they don't - at least not for any nyls size contracts. last year at the trade deadline, GMGM had NO room to make any moves without giving up some promising young talent (i believe varly, neuvy, carlson and alzner where all mentioned at some point) which he was not willing to do. that non-move could have been the difference in getting past the pens in the playoffs.
if they want to trade salary for salary on someone they think can help the team - thats OK - but SAVE that money and use it to get the best possible player needed at the trade deadline. and since there is no way of knowing about injuries or just a total collapse in play of the current group of guys - DON'T spend it on a high price player now.
i know a solid s@h d is needed, but i think the 'shopping' for that guy will be much easier in february than it is right now.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 13, 2009 9:46 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby we are still paying his contract this year but he is off our cap. After the season he is totally ours again but his no movement clause is gone so we can send him to where ever.

capscoach he is a restricted free agent for one more year so he can't sign too big of a deal this year plus in the KHL all of the money is tax free and they don't have to worry about a cap when signing people. That is why Hudler is over there now.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby

Nyls had a no movement clause...he had to agree to the move. Thats why it took so long.

Posted by: capscoach | December 13, 2009 9:49 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby:
i would think because most teams are willing to put their high priced underachieving players on the ice - nyls was never going to wear a caps sweater again.
GR will be paying a portion of nyls salary - probably not very much though - and the caps will pay the rest.
agreeing to loan nlys and still pay a good portion of his salary is not a very good business practice. i'm not sure most teams owners would be willing to do this - and you have to find a team willing to take them.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 13, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad this is finaly over.For the fact that all u nylander haters can finally quit ur crying.I think nyles has been the one screwed out of all of this.He was still a good player but just didnt fit into BB coaching style.And because of that he got railroaded.Sure he didnt play all that well but under BB but that doesnt mean he didnt want to play.Once hockey is in ur blood its there forever.If guys could play till they were 50 they would.So this whole time nyles practiced hardcore for the caps and then had to sit cause BB doesnt like him.That has to be hard on a player.And i dont care how much he is making,its not about that,he just wants to play hockey as all hockey players do.It wasnt his choice to sit back and collect money and not play,that was the caps org. doing that to him.So dont hate on a guy if he doesnt do what the fans want him to do and screw his own self.I dont blame the guy for waiting.So good luck to you nyles and hope all is well in the rest of your career.But i am glad we get the cap space back and can make some moves now.So now everybody is happy and we can all move on and QUIT beating a dead horse to death.GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | December 13, 2009 9:55 PM | Report abuse

RickyBobby - you apparently ARE a thinker:

1. Nylander had a No Movement Clause this year. That means he had to personally approve where he is sent - even the minors.

So by finally agreeing to move to Grand Rapids for the rest of the year - he is off the books for this season.

2. Next season he does NOT have a no movement clause. Meaning, if we can't trade him - he can't block an assignment to the minors or to Russia.

So, at minimum - next year - we'll pay his salary but he'll be in the minors/Russia and we won't have him on the books next year either.

3. The reason teams are reluctant to do this is because you don't want to be paying millions of dollars to a guy who is in the AHL.

Normally - you can trade the guy and get something in return.

But the Caps basically killed any of Nylander's value and took that possibility away.

Posted by: CF11555 | December 13, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

gratefuldid

You can point fingers both ways. BB does not bench people b/c he doesn't like them! Nyls couldn't play our system. He was not effective for us, so of course we wouldn't use him! I feel for the guy, but also was frustrated that he would not move to a team that could actually use him. He did this to himself just as much as the CapsOrg did it to him. Had he moved sooner to the KHL or AHL, he could have proved his worth to another team and been back in the NHL by now...instead of eating up our salary cap

Posted by: capscoach | December 13, 2009 10:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow this was actually the first story on SportsNite on Comcast. On a Sunday with the Redskins winning too.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 10:02 PM | Report abuse

you hear that WaPo? FIRST STORY. Not the Redskins BS.....

Posted by: CF11555 | December 13, 2009 10:07 PM | Report abuse

Great for the Caps. I hope it's good for Nylander also. I wonder what would be the wisest investment to make since we now don't have to worry about the salary cap. Is Azner enough? Isn't this time to bring a tough, veteran defender who can clear the puck when it seems to be stuck in front of our net?

Also, I wish they would ship Theo to the minors. We need a solid second goalie.

Posted by: caraveli | December 13, 2009 10:09 PM | Report abuse

In honor of Nylander being assigned to Grand Rapids, here’s the following song by Billy Preston “Will it Go Round in Circles”:

I’ve got a song, I ain’t got no melody
I’ma gonna sing it to my friends
I’ve got a song, I ain’t got no melody
I’ ma gonna sing it to my friends

Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky

I’ve got a story, ain’t got no moral
Let the bad guy win every once in a while
I’ve got a story, ain’t got no moral
Let the bad guy win every once in a while

Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky

I’ve got a dance, I ain’t got no steps, no
I’m gonna let the music move me around
I’ve got a dance, I ain’t got no steps
I’m gonna let the music move me around

Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky

[Instrumental Interlude]

Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky

I’ve got a song, I ain’t got no melody
I’ma gonna sing it to my friends
I’ve got a song, I ain’t got no melody
I’ ma gonna sing it to my friends

Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky
Will it go round in circles
Will it fly high like a bird up in the sky

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 13, 2009 10:13 PM | Report abuse

And still another song in honor of Nylander's reassignment:

Joni Mitchell’s song “The Circle Game”:


Yesterday a child came out to wonder
Caught a dragonfly inside a jar
Fearful when the sky was full of thunder
And tearful at the falling of a star

Then the child moved ten times round the seasons
Skated over ten clear frozen streams
Words like when you’re older must appease him
And promises of someday make his dreams

And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We’re captive on the carousel of time
We can’t return we can only look
Behind from where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game *

Sixteen springs and sixteen summers gone now
Cartwheels turn to car wheels thru the town
And they tell him take your time it won’t be long now
Till you drag your feet to slow the circles down

And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We’re captive on the carousel of time
We can’t return we can only look
Behind from where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

So the years spin by and now the boy is twenty
Though his dreams have lost some grandeur coming true
There’ll be new dreams maybe better dreams and plenty
Before the last revolving year is through

And the seasons they go round and round
And the painted ponies go up and down
We’re captive on the carousel of time
We can’t return we can only look
Behind from where we came
And go round and round and round
In the circle game

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 13, 2009 10:14 PM | Report abuse

nylander didnt want to play in the ahl but then agreed to being loaned to grand rapids. couldn't he have just made things easier for himself and the caps by agreeing to be sent to hershey? he would be closer to his family and he would have saved him, his agent, the washington capitals and the griffins a lot of time. Thank you, mr nylander

Posted by: gocaps01 | December 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@nickiefan83

I figure that Caps won't immediately do anything with the extra money but moving forward, if Pothier ends up on LTIR, they will bring up Alzner. I see the Caps making that decision next week.

Afterwards, they may start pruning the D-men roster. There's no point to having this many D-men on the roster.

I figure Laing comes back. They keep Perreault. B Gordon, I assume, is still out for a long time.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 13, 2009 10:22 PM | Report abuse

@caraveli

I'm not ready to ship Theo to the minors yet. But we do need a solid second goalie.

The "new kid" didn't do so hot yesterday but I'm not ready to give up on him yet. (If Varly's our only solid goaltender in Jan/Feb, then it will be time to do something.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 13, 2009 10:26 PM | Report abuse

A perfect topper for this evening would be not having to ever again read the ridiculous Nylander conspiracy theories.

Posted by: zmega | December 13, 2009 10:32 PM | Report abuse

now the have room for Forsberg under the cap

Posted by: heathdog1119 | December 13, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

heathdog1119 Forsburg is not coming there was a deadline for him to come over and it passed plus last I heard he was hurt again.

gocaps01 from what I have read it wasn't as much of Nylander not wanting to go to the Bears or the AHL it was that the organization had it in their heads that they didn't want him taking time in the AHL away from the young guys and hurt that team.

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 13, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

gratefuldid wrote: And i dont care how much he is making,its not about that,he just wants to play hockey as all hockey players do.It wasnt his choice to sit back and collect money and not play,that was the caps org. doing that to him.

Sorry gratefuldid, but Nyls rejected FIVE trade offers in the last 10 months, including 3 from the KHL this hockey season. He doesn't want to just play, he wants to contend for the Stanley Cup, which is totally fine--and why many talented players put an NMC in their contracts. However, his unwillingness to accept an AHL assignment (even after playing horribly due to injury two years ago, and just plain horribly last season) prevented the Capitals from making necessary personnel changes during both seasons, specifically picking up an experienced quality Defenseman. The lack of said D-man (even the team says) hurt them in the playoffs the last two years.

Nylander put his own career ahead of the team needs and THAT is why GMGM and Gaby were unwilling to put him on the ice.

Posted by: Kdarienzo | December 13, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

@zmega

Unless we have to read it again next year. Nyls still has a year left on his contract. But we can assign him somewhere and eat his salary since the NMC is no longer in effect.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 13, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

@CF11555 and @RickyBobby

Another potential scenario next summer is the Caps trade Nyles...and this is more likely than you may think. He is only going to earn $3 million next season, but his cap hit is $4.875 million. I could see a team that is flirting with the salary floor taking him on, because they will only pay $3 million but will get nearly $5 million in cap space used up.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | December 13, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

I think that TominFL has argued convincingly that if no NHL team offers the Caps anything for Nylander this year, then next year the Caps can assign him somewhere so horrible that he would be forced to retire (presumably forfeiting his remaining salary). Alternatively, some buy-out at a discounted price could be arranged. In any case, since Ted has so graciously agreed to eat the salary for this year(or so it appears), it is unlikely that Nyls will darken our doorstep again in any manner.

Posted by: zmega | December 13, 2009 10:56 PM | Report abuse

The caps want a cup this year. If the caps get a cup, Nylander's salary becomes irrelevant. Champion teams bring in new fans and new revenue streams.

Posted by: trunkenmath | December 13, 2009 11:00 PM | Report abuse

i believe this whole situation rests on the shoulders of the caps front office. they new exactly what they were getting in nyls when they signed him. they gave him a contract for a specific amount of money (as well as a NMC) to play for the caps. the caps and nyls both new the terms of the contract. in NO way can nyss be held accountable for the change in coaching and the resulting change in stlye of play. based on what i've seen and read - nyls has always made himself available to the caps when he was heathly. it was the caps that choose not to play him and eat his salary. it doesn't make any difference how many teams were interested in nyls - if nyls didn't want to go - he was under NO obligation to do so.
i'm sure GR is not the ideal place for him to be and i see this as him doing a FAVOR for the caps. i do think he wants to play in the nhl still and GR helps him try and keep that dream alive.
too many players in today's sports are willing to 'break' their contracts by holding out for more money - teams should be able to withhold their money until they make themselves available and 'honor' their end of the contract.
this is a case where the team is being held, rightly so, for the end of the contract.

honoring a contract > team
honoring a contract > player

in this case both sides keep to their word - but this was NOT caused by nyls

note: if nyls ever comes out and says he refused to play for the caps - i'll take this all back and call him one of the biggest *sswipes in sports

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 13, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

freakinandpeakin:
i thought any team trading for a player with an existing contract only had to take a cap hit that was 'recalculated' for the remainder of the contract. 1 yr at 3M is a 3M cap hit

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 13, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Finally! Now I can wear my Nylander t-shirt w/out people laughing.

Posted by: carlton46 | December 13, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Finally! Now I can wear my Nylander t-shirt w/out people laughing.

Posted by: carlton46 | December 13, 2009 11:19 PM

i wouldn't have laughed if i saw you wearing it at any time :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 13, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

It's my only caps attire with a players name on it. (3 yrs old)

Posted by: carlton46 | December 13, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

RE: i'm sure GR is not the ideal place for him to be and i see this as him doing a FAVOR for the caps.

Oh please. If there's anything that's obvious by this point -- and almost everything about this saga is speculation at this point -- it's this: Nylander isn't apt to do the Caps or anyone else a "favor".

Whether he plays in the NHL again or not, had he not taken a deal SOMEWHERE, his entire career would have been branded as him being the guy who put HIMSELF above team and teammates.

Not surprising that he had such great chemistry with Jagr.

Posted by: caps1974 | December 13, 2009 11:43 PM | Report abuse

i wouldn't have laughed if i saw you wearing it at any time :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 13, 2009 11:25 PM

Good news before bedtime.

Posted by: carlton46 | December 13, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

@C-Way Re: "it's amazing we sunk so much salary in an aging 2nd liner, when we were committed to rebuilding at the time."

I don't know, man. I don't fault GMGM for the decision except for the NMC part. To be fair, Nyls was absolutely a 1st liner when he was signed, and the money seemed competitive at the time for his value. He was good enough for Edmonton to scream bloody murder that he signed with us instead of them at around the same money. Backie hadn't totally developed, and the veteran-Swedish-center thing looked good for mentorship, and he actually was contributing at a pretty high level before he got hurt. Of course, "high-level" meant something a little different in the Hanlon team-without-an-identity era. And I for one didn't think we'd get this good this fast, so 4 years didn't seem as interminably long at the time.

The moral of this epic story: Never a NMC. Never again. You just never know what's going to happen with a guy. With the obvious exception of Ovie of course :)

Posted by: large23220 | December 14, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

@ Caps1974 Re: "Oh please. If there's anything that's obvious by this point -- and almost everything about this saga is speculation at this point -- it's this: Nylander isn't apt to do the Caps or anyone else a 'favor'."

Here, here.

Posted by: large23220 | December 14, 2009 12:12 AM | Report abuse

had he not taken a deal SOMEWHERE, his entire career would have been branded as him being the guy who put HIMSELF above team and teammates.

Posted by: caps1974 | December 13, 2009 11:43 PM

i going to disagree. he has made himself available to the team at all times while healthy. it appeared that he was practicing with the team, preparing for the season - even though he probably knew he would never be anything other than a healthy scratch. if he wasn't interested in continuing his career in the nhl - then why didn't he just stay home and collect his paycheck? he went to GR the first time to show he was in shape and still able to contribute. i haven't seen any actions from him that would indicate he puts himself above of the team or his teammates. by accepting this assignment to GR for the remainder of the season shows that he is still looking to be productive for an nhl team.
all he has done is look out for his own and his families interests. turning down other assignments is his right per the contract given to him. if he wanted to be a d*ck about this he could have just as easily turned down this assignment too.
his status has certainly caused issues with the roster this year - but again - he did not dictate that he was not on the ice.
until additional details become available (if ever) - i give the caps, as well as nyls, credit for not making this a mudding slinging, finger pointing public fiasco.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 12:52 AM | Report abuse

the last time I checked hockey is still a team sport. This is what's wrong with sports today, frigging fantasy leagues. Too many people paying way too much attentions to too many worthless stats.

if you want beauty points, watch figure skating.

Posted by: joek443 | December 13, 2009 5:17 PM |

What the hell are you talking about? When did I ever mention fantasy leagues or worthless stats?

Is this really all you have to say to defend your dumb claim?


Wins is not the stat you look at to judge how good a goalie is. You look at an adjusted save percentage. Are you really that irrational and/or too prideful to admit you said something stupid that you have to make such illogical inferences? What the hell does ranking goalies have to do with "worthless stats" or fantasy leagues?" Seriously, just shut up.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Again, you are basically saying that it's okay for a goalie to let in 6 soft goals because the team can score 10 to make up for it.

"Who cares about their save percentage when they get the win! Hockey is a team sport after all!"

Jesus F'N Christ. Larry Murphy sucks. Pat Peake is the reason. Blame Schultz. Where's the next Tinordi?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:09 AM | Report abuse

richmondphil:
don't let your BP get too high over this stuff.

i don't believe that keeping stats on players (in any sport) was for the fans. athletes get compensated by how they perform and stats was one way to try and rank an athlete against another athlete.

much like the +/- stat, trying to compare one teams goalie against another teams goalie (or across eras) by just using stats doesn't always give you an accurate portrayal of how those goalies are doing. unfortunately there really aren't any other methods to do this - so it will always be subjective

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

That's why I said adjusted save percentage.

But that's not why I am so mad. We were talking about a goalie being good or not. Joek443 implied that wins is the only thing that mattered. I said that Wins is essentially the only thing that matters, but it's not like wins are going to be able to tell you how a goalie actually performed in games. For that, one would look at an adjusted save percentage. He then told me that I care too much about "worthless stats" and "fantasy leagues", because of my statements about looking at save percentage, not wins, to judge a goalie.

Again, I concede that Wins is essentially the only thing that matters. But it's just plain backwards logic to think that one can assess a goalie on his "win" column. If Hasek had 20 less wins than Checkmanek, but Hasek had a .950 and Checkmanek had a .850, by joek443's logic Checkmanek was the better goaltender.

It seems common practice for joek443 to go off course when he can't come up with anything to say...and it's annoying.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

unfortunately there really aren't any other methods to do this - so it will always be subjective

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 1:15 AM |

Maybe..but I think an adjusted save percentage can more than make a cross-team/era goalie comparison somewhat objective.

At the very least though, certainly "wins" isn't going to reveal any information on how the goalie performed. (But then again, I might get accused of caring too much about individuals if I say this..haha)

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:30 AM | Report abuse

richmondphil:
i think we could all agree that if varly had a record of 12-1-2 and a GAA of 6.00 - they would be looking for a new goalie. i doubt that any goalie with a GAA that high would ever get in enough games to amass a record like that - so i guess its really a moot point. i'm just glad it wasn't some kind of nascar comparison

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

http://brodeurisafraud.blogspot.com/

This a great blog to get into all that stat stuff about goaltenders. Honestly, I could care less because stats aren't really my thing.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

i doubt that any goalie with a GAA that high would ever get in enough games to amass a record like that - so i guess its really a moot point. i'm just glad it wasn't some kind of nascar comparison

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 1:35 AM |

It's not really moot. I gave a very crude counter-example to a claim. You can certainly trim the example to seem more plausible, but that seems a bit ad hoc if anything. In fact, I gave a more plausible counter-example involving Checkmanek/Hasek above, at least more plausible than my 6 soft goals example.

Save percentage is far from a "worthless stat". Goalies can't be judged off wins alone. Hockey is certainly a team sport, but why does that imply that individual stats don't matter?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

i actually like the numbers/stats from sports.
the only problem is you can present them in so many ways to try and make a point - any sometimes they just don't mean anything.
after theo's game of 2 goals on 4 shots in the first his line looked something like: 8.6 gaa and .500 sv%
the rest of the game was like: 1.3 gaa and .933
sure he s*cked early but he did pick it up later. this is the perfect example of 'bottom line it was a win'
so many here lose sight of the fact that this team is just fun to watch and follow and if the playoffs started tomorrow - i would like their chances (well if they started after varly gets back anyway). to much blaming individuals when it's mostly poor team play.

whats more interesting to me is what GMGM might do with the extra cash he has now (just like when i find a $20 in my jeans after they come out of the dryer)

i say save it for a rainy 'deadline' day!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 1:48 AM | Report abuse

I perfectly understand the mentality for saying that a win is a win. Essentially, that is all that matters. But if one wanted to go into a foray about the individual play of an individual goalie, obviously "wins" would not be the column to look at. And I don't think looking into these "worthless stats" is taking anything away from the team aspect of the sport, as another poster implied.


Back to the issue at hand, this extra cap space sure does bring a lot of fun discussion to the table. I wouldn't know where to start.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:58 AM | Report abuse

Save percentage is far from a "worthless stat". Goalies can't be judged off wins alone. Hockey is certainly a team sport, but why does that imply that individual stats don't matter?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 1:43 AM

i don't think any of the stats are worthless. they need to be put into some kind of comparable context.

i think teams like nj (and minn from last year) seem to have higher save % than other teams because of there style - let the guy shoot from 50' and make sure the goalie has a decent view. its not a bad system but it is kind of boring to watch.

if the caps are going to give up 5-7 breakaways/2 on 1's a game and 2 or 3 of those go in - the save % is not going to be 'up' there with the leaders.
quality of the shot has an impact on any goalies save % - i'm impressed varly's is as high as it is.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

Also, I wish they would ship Theo to the minors. We need a solid second goalie.

Posted by: caraveli | December 13, 2009 10:09 PM |

lol...come on.

Theo is better than most teams back-ups, and that's just the fact of the matter. Neuvy is also a better "3rd goalie" than most teams have.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

@Kirk

That was directed at joek443, not you.

Again though, that's why an adjusted save percentage is taken as consideration when assessing a goalie from different teams/eras. But this is usually for career type comparisons, not a single season.

Varlamov's stats are way above expectations. He ranks top 10 in GAA and sv pct. I beleive, though not sure of that. No goalie is ever going to have the lowest #'s with the Caps system.

If Varlamov keeps up his play he deserves a very long, serious look for Calder.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 2:08 AM | Report abuse

a solid second goalie is what we have. i think some people want an elite starting goalie that could back up varly.
i don't think theo will be around after this season - but if he can take a back seat to varly like last years playoffs without causing a big stink - i think what we have in net can get the job done in apr, may and june.

i hate the cba and how the salary cap works - but i know there is a daily 'allowance'. what i'm not sure of is how (or if) the over/under cap is prorated.
meaning: i think the caps have exceeded that allowance so far. does that mean they have to keep an equal amount under to make up for that excess? tominfl1 needs to get on this and post his detailed findings so that the 'mathmatically challenged' (me) don't have to think so hard.

i'm gonna have to give my keyboard and myself some rest - i'll be back again in your late morning

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 2:15 AM | Report abuse

@Kirk

That was directed at joek443, not you.

If Varlamov keeps up his play he deserves a very long, serious look for Calder.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 2:08 AM

understood and agreed
looking forward to talking again soon - g'nite

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | December 14, 2009 2:17 AM | Report abuse

I edited Backstrom's wiki page at the end of last season and to my surprise it's all still there. I figured a Caps official would've cleaned it up/made it more official.

"In his second NHL season, Bäckström would go on to lead both the Capitals and Swedish NHL players with 66 assists, and added 22 goals for 88 points, placing him within the top ten NHL scorers in the 2008–09 regular season. Bäckström would again prove to be a force in the playoffs, tallying 15 points in 14 games. Going into the 2009-10 NHL season, Bäckström has solidifed himself as the Washington Capitals number one center, pivoting Russian superstar Alexander Ovechkin.

Following the 2008–09 NHL playoffs, Bäckström was awarded the Viking Award for being the best Swedish-born player in the 2008–09 NHL season; he is only the second Capital to win this award, following behind Calle Johansson.

Bäckström's entry-level contract expires after the 2009–10 NHL season, in which he will become a restricted free agent, along with the other Russian superstar, Alexander Semin."

Whadya guys think? Of course, you're free to edit Backstrom's wiki yourself too.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 2:28 AM | Report abuse

I have noticed that the rest of the league doesn't seem to think this move it that big of a deal. Nothing on NHL.com, ESPN.com's NHL section, TSN.ca, and noting on NHL on the Fly. They have an hour show and only two games to look at and they still don't say a thing about the deal. If it wasn't for the Caps site and GR's site saying it is true I almost wouldn't believe it.

I wonder why the rest of the hockey world seems to be ignoring this?

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 14, 2009 3:06 AM | Report abuse

I have noticed that the rest of the league doesn't seem to think this move it that big of a deal. Nothing on NHL.com, ESPN.com's NHL section, TSN.ca, and noting on NHL on the Fly. They have an hour show and only two games to look at and they still don't say a thing about the deal. If it wasn't for the Caps site and GR's site saying it is true I almost wouldn't believe it.

I wonder why the rest of the hockey world seems to be ignoring this?

Posted by: icehammer97 | December 14, 2009 3:06 AM | Report abuse

Good question. A caps team with extra cap space/a roster spot is a dangerous thing.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 3:08 AM | Report abuse

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=509791#&navid=nhl-search

Only "official" news of it I can find.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 14, 2009 3:19 AM | Report abuse

it really isn't that big of a story. The caps with Nylander are top of the standings. They can't get any better statistically. Now if we were in 8th place or more, and could bring in a final piece to vault us to the top, then maybe some info.

Otherwise its just a top tier team cleaning house which not many care about.

Posted by: trunkenmath | December 14, 2009 4:16 AM | Report abuse

@trunkenmath

It depends on your view:

In the short run, you are right. In the moment it is what it is.

However, as was previously pointed out by others, in the long run (for the play offs) it gives another option or
if some serious injuries will happen ... (I hope not, but ...)

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | December 14, 2009 4:55 AM | Report abuse

This is great news. agree with @trunkenmath that it's not big league-wide news, but it gives us a great deal of freedom to free 60% of Nyls' salary for other uses.

Posted by: Sonyask | December 14, 2009 7:04 AM | Report abuse

With 2 on LTIR, there is now roster space to add one player before Tuesday. Plenty o' cap room of course.

Ovechkin 9.538
Semin 4.600
Knuble 2.800
Clark 2.633
Backstrom 2.400
Laich 2.067
Morrison 1.500
Bradley 1.000
Perreault (w/bonus) 0.792
Fehr 0.772
Gordon (LTIR) 0.761
Flash 0.725
Steckel 0.725
Laing (LTIR) 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 30.813
Green 5.250
Poti 3.500
Pothier 2.500
Morrisonn 1.975
Jurcina 1.375
Erskine 1.250
Schultz 0.715
Sloan 0.640
S/T 8 Defensemen 17.205
Theodore 4.500
Varlamov 0.822
S/T 2 Goalies 5.322
Total 24 Players 53.340
Clymer (Buyout) 0.367
Total 24 Players + Clymer 53.707
Cap Space 56.800
Available 3.093
LTIR Replacement 1.261
Space w/LTIR Replacement 4.354

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 14, 2009 7:10 AM | Report abuse

What the above chart shows is that the Caps were running over the cap to this point, and using bonus cushion as the means (you can tell because the new "space available" is less than Nyles' salary). W/O the Nylander move, there would have been a hit to the cap for next season as a consequence - all of that now avoided of course.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 14, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

Step one is complete. Step two involves trading a couple defenders. Steps 3, 4 and 5 probably involve trading for a stay at home defender, a goalie and a goon by the deadline.

Posted by: C-way | December 14, 2009 8:15 AM | Report abuse

At the very least though, certainly "wins" isn't going to reveal any information on how the goalie performed. (But then again, I might get accused of caring too much about individuals if I say this..haha)

Posted by: richmondphil |

I agree with this --or what I think your point of view is-- very much. Taking the recent Carolina game for example...Theo was the winning goaltender, so he must have played very well. Or, we are the top of the league, so most teams would be dying to trade for theo....I think overall, Theo has been playing relatively well this season, I see some improvements from last season....but then again, we are on top of the conference, pretty much splitting goaltender duties down the middle, and we still do not have the most wins, so maybe this is jut a moot point there....

But yeah, wins are great, but sometimes they are not the whole story, not for goaltenders, not for defensemen, nor for forwards, not for coaches. (many people were blasting Green for his "poor" play against Carolina, yet he got the GWG...so there you go).

Okay, thats all I want to chime in.

Go Caps!

Posted by: The_Stanley_Caps | December 14, 2009 8:21 AM | Report abuse

CHRISTMAS CAME EARLY!!!!!!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 14, 2009 10:00 AM | Report abuse

if you want to measure a goalie by wins alone: Put goalie on ice, remove 5 other players, Face the entire other team. See how many games goalie wins.

Wins might help to illustrate a goaltender's skill but Wins are a team statistic. Every player contributes positively or negatively on the performance. A keeper can be the deciding factor in a match, but it was the other guys who played 60 minutes that set up the final question.

Posted by: trunkenmath | December 14, 2009 10:13 AM | Report abuse

For sale, authentic Nylander jersey. Game worn. Meaning, I've worn it in a game to remind me to skate in circles.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 14, 2009 10:14 AM | Report abuse

alzner recalled along w/ kyle wilson. 85 sent back to hershey.

guessing 85 demotion due to wanting to limit games played so he doesnt count an extra year towards his entry level deal. dont know anything about wilson.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 14, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

We should also thank Ted for taking the 4.75 Million hit. That comes out of his pocket.

Posted by: RichC3 | December 14, 2009 10:29 AM | Report abuse

as long as BB is the coach of this team, no matter who plays in goal for this team will NEVER be among the league leaders in GAA or save percentage because of their style... just like Grant Fuhr or Andy Moog were NEVER among the leagues in either ofthose categories when they played for the Oilers.

If Marty Brodeur or Patrick Roy played for the Oilers, they would NEVER have piled up the stats that they did. it's all about the wins, everything else is for beauty points.

Posted by: joek443 | December 14, 2009 10:31 AM | Report abuse

In case you guys missed this since Tarik seems to be a little slow,
Alzner and Kyle Wilson recalled, Perreault sent back.

Posted by: dfe1 | December 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

Oops, I see that it was already posted. My bad.

Posted by: dfe1 | December 14, 2009 10:33 AM | Report abuse

rich, ted is already paying all of these salaries. no additional money is being spent by ted, other than maybe giving alzner the opportunity to earn his bonuses and maybe paying some of these callups more if they are on two way deals. what sucks is that he's paying all or most of nylanders salary to play for someone else. that's better than paying him not to play at all since it opens the chance that nyls could get traded if he performs. it should be money well spent given that it gives the caps a better chance at winning.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 14, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Perreault has played 15 games. Once they play 10, it counts as one of the seven years towards UFA status. Must be because he's tailed off of late. I was commenting the other night how he "seems to have hit the proverbial brick wall." My kids said, "What?"

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 14, 2009 10:45 AM | Report abuse

i wonder what's going on toady?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 14, 2009 1:13 PM | Report abuse

The Caps signed Nyls to the contract and he was willing to honor it...it's GMGM that people should be mad about for signing him to a 4-year deal with a NMC. Like most people who sign a contract, Nylander expected to be able to have a chance to play OR be traded to an NHL team of his choosing (don't think anyone would want to be assigned to play in the KHL who has a family).

Hopefully, this will be a alls well that ends well story with Nylander playing well for Grand Rapids and getting picked up later in the year by an NHL team who will also consider keeping him next year. As for doing what's best for the team, this is a business and the Caps knew over the summer he wasn't in their plans. It's hypocritical to say Nylander should have 'helped the team' over his career when they were trying to unload him.

I think this opens the door for a trade near the deadline for a higher quality defensive defensemen. The Caps still have many of the same problems on the blueline they did entering last year's playoffs. Accept for Green, Poti, and Alzner, any of the D could be dealt to upgrade the position.

Posted by: wizfan89 | December 14, 2009 1:30 PM | Report abuse

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