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Posted at 3:11 PM ET, 02/28/2011

Capitals acquire center Jason Arnott from New Jersey Devils in exchange for David Steckel

By Lindsay Applebaum

(Ronald Martinez/Getty Images)


The Capitals took it down to the wire but finally got their second-line center, acquiring veteran Jason Arnott from the New Jersey Devils in exchange for forward David Steckel and, as first reported by Sportsnet's Nick Kypreos, a second-round pick in 2012. The trade was first reported by Sportsnet.

Arnott, 36, is Washington's second veteran acquisition of the day. The Capitals this morning dealt prospect Jake Hauswirth and this year's third-round draft pick to Florida in exchange for puck-moving defenseman Dennis Wideman, 27.

Arnott, who won a Stanley Cup with the Devils in 2000, said Sunday night he would waive his no-trade clause to join a playoff team. The Capitals are fifth in the Eastern Conference standings with 76 points, five back from Southeast Division leader Tampa Bay.

The 17-year veteran has 24 points (13 goals, 11 assists) this season with New Jersey. His cap hit for this season is $4.5 million and then he'll become an unrestricted free agent in 2011-12.

Steckel, 28, signed a three-year deal worth $3.3 million last January. The faceoff specialist has struggled to score this season, contributing just five goals and six assists in 57 games.

Much more to come soon.

Update: Arnott told the Star-Ledger's Rich Chere that it was a tough decision, but he thinks the Capitals give him a good shot at another Stanley Cup. "I'm at the end of my career," Arnott said. "I want a chance at another Stanley Cup. I think Washington has a good potential to be a Cup team."

By Lindsay Applebaum  | February 28, 2011; 3:11 PM ET
 
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Comments

Poor Stecks... We'll see about this

Posted by: Albright4Snapper | February 28, 2011 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I'm interested in the cap machinations behind this one.

Posted by: JohninMpls | February 28, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

WOW Hope this calms everybody down for a few seconds!

Posted by: jp14710 | February 28, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

OV - Backs - Knuble
Laich - Arnott - Semin
Sturm - MoJo - Chimmy
Brads - Gordo - Hendricks

Fehr is the odd one out, although he could come in for Sturm or Knuble. I like this forward set a lot better than the one that existed a couple days ago.

Posted by: Aldred15 | February 28, 2011 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Well, there you go. Hopefully, he'll bring what we need.

Posted by: TheDoubleAlex | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Alfred, I'd swap Laich and Sturm

Posted by: Steve_R | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Those were the two moves we needed to make.....really sorry to see Stecks go though...

Posted by: dcfury | February 28, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

I would put Sturm and Semin on the second line with Arnott and Laich and Chimmy on third with MoJO

Posted by: hart2014 | February 28, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Are we really talking about David Steckel like he is going to be something other then a #4 Center at best. Yes, he is great on faceoff (63.7%) but so is Backstrom (52.5), B. Gordon (58.8), Even Beagle is 59.5 in 74 FOs in 23 GP. If a Wing can win almost 60% is Steckel really that valuable?

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

Fehr will not be an odd one out. I actually really like the deal, but I also really like Stecks. I wish him nothing but the best in New Jersey and when I go to Prudential Center or when he comes back to Verizon Center, I'll cheer for him.

Great day for the Caps, though. Two solid trades, the Marco Sturm pickup, etc. I'm really happy with these moves.

Posted by: gocaps99 | February 28, 2011 3:24 PM | Report abuse

How can this not be a good move? All the crying about needing a 2C and GMGM gets a pretty good one for the stretch. Good luck to Steckel and welcome to Arnott. Unlike last year, the addition of 3 players at the deadline rattles the cage for a team that needed it.

Posted by: McKinley2 | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Sturm - MoJo - Chimmy

That would be one fast line, but would they score?

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@Aldred15

I'd replace Chimmy for Fehr for creativity if anything. Fehr is better at going east-west and a little better hands.

We will miss Steck's face-off abilities on the PK

Posted by: ttenner | February 28, 2011 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Something still has to give with the cap, no? Capgeek.com is crashed.

Posted by: seth_malaguerra | February 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Yeah, switch Laich and Sturm

Also, maybe Hendricks and Chimera

Also, here:
Ov-Backs-SEMIN
Sturm-Arnott-Fehr
Laich-Majo-Knuble
Chimera-Gordon-Hendricks

and Matt Bradley is depth...

Posted by: cotelloer | February 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

TSN Analyst Matt Barnaby has been very critical of Caps all year, but says pickups of Sturm, Wideman and Arnott take Caps to elite level of Eastern Conference to compete with Flyers and Bruins.

Sucks to lose Steckel, but the Caps needed a proven Stanley Cup winner. Jason Arnott is that player. From Wikipedia:

As a member of the "A Line" on the New Jersey Devils with Patrik Eliáš and Petr Sýkora he led the team to the 2000 Stanley Cup championship, scoring the Cup-winning goal at 8:20 of double overtime in game six against the Dallas Stars.

Posted by: jmarks09 | February 28, 2011 3:26 PM | Report abuse

No big wholesale change -- maybe not enough -- but a very large upgrade for the Caps. Got Sturm, Wideman & Arnott (three real vets) for Stecks, a third rounder, and Jake Hauswirth. Very cheap.

I can't boast any understanding of the cap issues and assume that there will be moves to LTIR and Hershey, but I still wonder whether we'll see another trade/dump appear over the next hour or so to deal with the money issue

Posted by: Justafan | February 28, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

FAIL!
Even with all the injuries in NJ, Arnott was the 3rd line center....but now he's good enough to be the 2nd line center here. I don't really see this as an upgrade over MJ...sorry. :/

Posted by: j3rockstar | February 28, 2011 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Well then despite his detracters GMGM got three players (Sturn, Wideman, Arnott) and only gave up one roster player.

"If they really knew so much about the game they would be in it" GMGM

So if this all fails - we still have all the prospects and all the assets except for one.

cheers :)

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Would like to see Arnott bring the same magic Feds brought.

Posted by: ttenner | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

I liked Steckel, but we already had a faceoff guy in Boyd Gordon and we have Backstrom as well. Second positve is that it sends a message that no one on the team should be secure in their position or place. Both Wideman and Arnott have played on playoff teams (Arnott won a Stanley Cup). Their experience can only be helpful in the playoffs.

The Caps got two solid vets and gave up a 4th line center, a second tier prospect, and 3rd rounder. Not bad for a day's work.

Posted by: wizfan89 | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

Let me see if I can figure out cap.

Our prorated under is 675 x .775 = 523.

You can run over 2.3 x .225 = 517.

Take off Steckel and Perreault, add Arnott, Wideman and Sturm, delta = +10.

Now subtract 5.7 for Fehr and Poti LTIR. Plus 4.3. That's more than plus 2.3.

If I'm doing it right, $2M in actual (full year salary) must come off. If you overrun by Alzner bonus, OK, still another 1.1 must come off (full year). King makes half of that. They demote Sloan. Voila! You are there!

But, that leaves Fehr LTIR until playoffs.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 3:23 PM

Also, there might be some credit for time lost by Green for death in family, unsure, and also Green could be LTIR for next three weeks for recovery.

Otherwise, I can't see essentially picking up $12M in contracts and moving off only $1M. Even LTIRing Poti and Fehr at 5.7 doesn't make it fit.

I'm sure it works somehow though or the league wouldn't allow it.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

This really reminds me of picking up trevor linden and zubrus...

Posted by: cotelloer | February 28, 2011 3:29 PM | Report abuse

a 36year old forward...a dman that is -26...and sturm..plan the parade...wtf are people getting excited over...gmgm blew it again

Posted by: wendel2 | February 28, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Folks - keep your perspective please - we were not shopping for Pronger and Crosby.

Arnott > Steckel or anyone playing 2C (MP)

Wideman > Sloan

Strum > who cares - he was free

Good day - we gave up next to nothing and got the depth we were looking for...yes, that was me being positive!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 28, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Good riddance Dave Skeleton!!!!

Wish we had also been able to get rid of Fehry, Tom Pylon, Perreault, and Chimera, but I guess this'll have to do.

Posted by: timKosecki | February 28, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Arnott has to be an "upgrade" over Johansson, but he CAN relieve MoJo of some of the 2C pressure as well as providing leadership and experience to a group largely lacking those qualities.

The silver-lining here is that we are relieved of Steckel's contract, which is something like 3 more years at a little over a million per. Nice move!

Posted by: twogirlsdad | February 28, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Arnott scored the Cup winning goal in OT in 2000 SC Final @ Dallas (to win NJ cup)

He has been a captain and a leader - its like bringing Fedorov in 3 years ago...this deal has the ability to fix more than just the center position.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to win all important face-offs? GM get D for today, and F for past 13 years.

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@j3rockstar, it is really an upgrade over MP. Arnott will either play 2C or 3C and MJ will play the other depending on who works better with who. Either way now we no longer have MP as a 2nd or 3rd liner which he clearly isn't. Arnott is also a great leader and Cup champion who will help in the locker room in the playoffs.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse

based on what was out there and the cap room we have next year id would have rather had liles then wideman but something is better then nothing and arnott for steckel is great we still have 5 more steckels on this team beagle,gordon,a.gordon

Posted by: vjridgely | February 28, 2011 3:33 PM | Report abuse


wish steckel the best, and i welcome arnott.

now it's time to make the push and see how this season pans out. should be exciting.


Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Nick Kypreos
#NHL trade. Note. #Devils Arnott goes for #Caps Steckel and a 2nd round pick.

Next years second?

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:34 PM | Report abuse

We also sent a 2nd round pick in 2012 to the Devils as part of the deal.

Posted by: ThePat | February 28, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: wendel2 | February 28, 2011 3:30 PM | Report abuse

exactly and we lost #1 face-off man in the league

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

cool. now let's play some hockey!

Posted by: DCSportsfanatic1 | February 28, 2011 3:35 PM | Report abuse

Everyone on CI has complained since last summer that GMGM didn't get a #2 center. Now he gets one, and they still complain. With Richards staying in Dallas, and Fisher wanting to go to Nashville, who would have been a better pick than Arnott?

Posted by: Thisistheyear | February 28, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to win all important face-offs? GM get D for today, and F for past 13 years.

Boyd Gordon, who has won 58.8% of his draws this year?

Posted by: timKosecki | February 28, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

this is almost an Arnott for MP trade. From that perspective, it is an improvement. Also this is a long term trade as well if GMGM think Cody is ready next year then a spot is open for his taking. Wideman adds depth. Strum if he works out, great, if not, wave him again, so harm no foul.

Posted by: RichC3 | February 28, 2011 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Looks like we gave up Steckel AND a 2nd round pick.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm less thrilled knowing we gave up a 2nd -- I assume in '12.

Posted by: Justafan | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Picking up Sturm, Wideman and Arnott while only giving up Steckel (which he'll be missed in some ways), a minor-leaguer and a 3rd-round pick. I can say I am satisfied with that.

I wonder if teams were hesitant on trading for Fehr because of his shoulder problems.

Let's hope this comes through!

Posted by: dcox50 | February 28, 2011 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Who is going to win all important face-offs? GM get D for today, and F for past 13 years.

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 3:32 PM | Report abuse

Steckel didn't do that so well against the Canes if memory serves. In fact I remember Backstrom taking the late ones against the Pens. Also last season B. Gordon had a higher % in faceoffs then Stecks.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm sure teams were hesitant on trading for Fehry because he sucks.

Posted by: timKosecki | February 28, 2011 3:38 PM | Report abuse

You can argue the Caps got NO better today (incl. Sturm), certainly not in the way many demanded.

You can argue the Caps DID get better today.

You CAN'T argue the Caps got worse and you can't argue they got better or no better today through/despite giving up too much in return.

They gave up next to nothing, at worst FOR nothing.

I liked Steckel, too, but . . .
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Does the 2nd rounder change my calculus? It does.

Posted by: stevie_in_gp | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I think this was a fantastic day for GMGM. As great and talented as the Caps are, one thing they lack is veteran leadership. Bringing in guys like Hannan, Sturm, Wideman and Arnott and only losing Steckel in the process? Amazing. And yes, I liked Steckel, he was a hard working (kellly Miller esque) type player but he added very little offensively. He would have his moments but seems to waste his chances. Thought we would have to lose a prospect or something more than Steckel to get what we got today. We are such a young team. Good to sprinkle in some solid vets with Cup winning experience.

Lets Go Caps!

ps--why can't they sell Chipwhiches at Caps games again. I miss those.

Posted by: SkinsFanInNYC | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

I saw that we gave up a 2nd-round pick along with Steckel for Arnott. I hope they are able to keep Arnott for another year because it could prove to be an expensive rental. But worth it if we win a cup!

Posted by: dcox50 | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Steckel is a good dude, but this can't be seen as anything but a good trade for the Caps.

Wideman was decent as well, but this trade (Arnott - Stecks) is the one I was looking for.

Posted by: TurbineBlade1 | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

i thought we traded all of our 2nd round picks last year in the awesome corvo and belanger trades

Posted by: _stevo | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Overall some good moves today. It'll be interesting to see if Arnott can fit into Washington's system.

Posted by: Stu_c | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

@j3rockstar/wendel2

Arnott is a solid performer on the ice, but should be a great performer in the locker rooms. Will add the leadership that the room has lacked all season. Feds 2.0

Posted by: ttenner | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

"Everyone on CI has complained since last summer that GMGM didn't get a #2 center. Now he gets one, and they still complain. With Richards staying in Dallas, and Fisher wanting to go to Nashville, who would have been a better pick than Arnott?"

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"Everyone" on this board does not speak with a unified voice. There are *plenty* of people on here who like the move. Stop making silly generalizations.

Of course, you also reference people noting the giant hole at 2C and criticizing GMGM for not addressing it as "Complaining," so that pretty much sums up your angle, doesn't it?

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

go to nhl.com web-site and check personal stats, then post

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 3:39 PM | Report abuse

pokerface1208:
any input on what 'could have gone down' now that the deadline has passed?
is this what you were hearing or were there other possiblities?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

So we swung and miss with McDonald. Either the 1st round pick wasnt enough for St Louis or he chose not to waive his NTC.

We end up with Arnott, Wideman, and Sturm.

We are better off than we were yesterday, but how much???

I honestly have no idea, the key is Arnott. Can he be reenergized and step up on offense??? If he can I think we are much better. If he plays how he was in NJ, that makes us just good enough to get out of the 1st round and nothing more would be my guess.

It will be interesting to see how it plays out. McPhee filled the needs the team had, but how well?? I'd probably give him a B- on the moves.

Posted by: ThePat | February 28, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

the second rounder PLUS steckel definitely changes the math in the arnott equation. will the caps ever have another 2nd round pick?

Posted by: DCPowerGator | February 28, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@j3rockstar/wendel2

Arnott is a solid performer on the ice, but should be a great performer in the locker room. Will add the leadership that the room has lacked all season. Feds 2.0

Posted by: ttenner | February 28, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse


Everyone on CI has complained since last summer that GMGM didn't get a #2 center. Now he gets one, and they still complain. With Richards staying in Dallas, and Fisher wanting to go to Nashville, who would have been a better pick than Arnott?

Posted by: Thisistheyear | February 28, 2011 3:36 PM |

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indeed, the caps beat the islanders saturday night and CI was a bucket of tears.

excellent day to be a caps fan, enjoy !

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Good pull on Kelly Miller, skinsfan. One of my all-time favorite Caps.

(Ditto the chipwich. One of my all-time favorite treats.)

Posted by: JohninMpls | February 28, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Now saying Steckel plus 2012 #2. Still like it but a little more understandable that Pens couldn't/wouldn't exceed.

Posted by: McKinley2 | February 28, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

I say keep Semin on 1st line and put fehr or knuble on second line w/ arnot and sturm and i hope to god we don't bring back MP put Gordon at 4C

Posted by: anton8359 | February 28, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

NHL Home Ice reporting Caps also gave up a 2nd round pick for Arnott.

Posted by: ttenner | February 28, 2011 3:41 PM | Report abuse

Folks, here is what TSPC blog is saying agout the Arnott-Steckel trade.

Pierre LeBrun: By the way Washington gave up a 2nd-round pick plus Steckel for Arnott.

Caps gave up a lot in my mind.

Whats your thoughts with the 2md round pick indluced?

Posted by: JMinVA | February 28, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Not a fantastic day for McPhee, but he didn't give up any prospects, and we added some new blood. Arnott will help in this locker room.

Is Fehr coming back?

Posted by: underpants2 | February 28, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well they got ArNOtt but at least they paid very little. Although in fairness to Stecks, I thought this was his best year with the team; he actually looked a little quicker.

I think this is our best 5-0n-5
Ovie Backs Semin
Sturm Majo Laich
Fehr Arnott Knuble
Bradley Hendricks Gordon

Arnott should help on the PP as a net presence. He and Wideman seem designed specifically to help the PP unit out, in fact...


Posted by: RedLitYogi | February 28, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

There's no question the lines look more balanced now than they did a few days ago. We gave up very little and added the veteran pieces we needed. Cheers to GMGM. To the bitter posters: what are you complaining about? This is a dynamic young team going through the same trials all young teams go through. Enjoy the ride.

Posted by: dcmusician2 | February 28, 2011 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Caps gave up a lot in my mind.

Whats your thoughts with the 2md round pick indluced?

Posted by: JMinVA | February 28, 2011 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Well at 2:55 on deadline monday that was what it took to get a deal. we have no idea who else NJ was entertaining tio make the deal - and probably GMGM had to decide before finding out.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Wait Wait Wait Wait Wait, no way did we actually give up Stecks AND a second rounder. Arnott was worth the second no doubt, but nothing more.

Posted by: dcfury | February 28, 2011 3:44 PM | Report abuse

Would have rather given up a 2nd for Boyes. But Arnott had the expiring contract so it makes sense.

Posted by: digster1013 | February 28, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

I know. It's funny how some will complain about anything. If the players arent out there how do you get them?

Posted by: racer63 | February 28, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

36 year old Rent a player who last won a cup over a decade ago.....meh

Posted by: puckhead1 | February 28, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Where are vermontcaps, cstanton et al? I figure they would be going crazy or have something to say at this point. Could it be that they all will wait to see if it plays out well or could they believe that we gave up very little for some good players?

Maybe i am a masochist, but I kinda want to see their negative spin on this.

Posted by: capsfan0837 | February 28, 2011 3:46 PM | Report abuse

2nd round pick is not that big of a deal. If at some point in the offseason or next season we feel we need a second we will have 7 NHL dmen (counting resigning Alzener and not counting Sloan). Even if we don't anything past the first round (especially in the second half were we would be drafting) is nothing more then a crapshoot anyway.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Would have rather given up a 2nd for Boyes. But Arnott had the expiring contract so it makes sense.

Posted by: digster1013

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Of course, go for the little soft pond hockey player to compliment the rest of Elmer Fudd's squad. Arnott has size, grit, and talent. We needed that. In a bad way.

Posted by: timKosecki | February 28, 2011 3:47 PM | Report abuse

We are better. I like this line up going into the playoffs better than the one we had before today.

But to me, the bottom line hasn't changed. Either we get to a conference final, or everyone needs to be fired, starting with McPhee.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Even if we stick him in front of the net on a couple of powerplays its worth it.

The experience of this type of guy, a leader, a respected NHL captain absolutely can't hurt this team.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

http://www2.tsn.ca/window/tradetracker2011/

We gave up a 2nd this year.

Posted by: robostop10 | February 28, 2011 3:48 PM | Report abuse

@underpants

Thats right, thats why I gave him a B- for the moves. In my opinion he should have shook up the locker room a little bit more than he did.

@CaptKirk

We inquired about a number of players. Richards and Stastny were both looked into. Richards obviously wouldnt move his NTC and our offer to them wasn't enough. McPhee was basically told that Friday night after the two Dallas scouts were at the game. Thats why Matty P was sent down right away, the only reason he was up was for trade bait and he failed at that. I dont know if we ever made an offer for Stastny or not but we definitely asked.

As I noted in my last post and this morning McDonald was a main target.

On the wing McPhee wanted Hemsky badly, but not bad enough. The Oilers wanted Alzner or a variation of a 1st rounder and something else. Thus we ended up with Sturm.

No idea what happened on D and how Wideman came into play. Everything I was told was look at guys that make less than $1.5, but I guess that was before they determined Poti would more than likely be out for the year. As that is the only way all these deals can happen with adding salary.

And I think that about somes it up.

Posted by: ThePat | February 28, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Fehr stinks.

Don't ever bring him back.

I like the optimism here, but seriously, how much better did they really get? A little?

I just don't think Varly and Neuvirth are the answers in the playoffs. Neither can stay healthy for a 7 game stretch, what makes anyone think they can for a 7 game series?


Posted by: SoaringCaps | February 28, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse


36 year old Rent a player who last won a cup over a decade ago.....meh

Posted by: puckhead1 | February 28, 2011 3:46 PM |

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someones C-R-A-N-K-Y

but no matter what gmgm does or doesn't do, some people hate

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Would have rather given up a 2nd for Boyes. But Arnott had the expiring contract so it makes sense.

Posted by: digster1013 | February 28, 2011 3:45 PM | Report abuse

St.L must have wanted THIS YEARS pick which we don't have not next years.

@dcfury Steckel was added to make up for the fact it wasn't this years pick.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

With Richards staying in Dallas, and Fisher wanting to go to Nashville, who would have been a better pick than Arnott?
*thisistheyear*
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Great point. Out of the Centers actually moved, the only one we had a real shot at we got. It is a short term solution but it had to be made.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | February 28, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Let's face it, wendel2 will never let go of his irrational hatred for George McPhee. Maybe we should have gotten Crosby or Malkin for Steckel?

If McPhee got up this morning and walked across the Potomac River, wendel2 would b--tch
that "McPhee can't swim."

McPhee had a good weekend. Get over it.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Some peeps here are actually complaining about a future 2nd?!
Amazingly stupid DC armchumps QB's.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

arnott is too old to be our second line center. i really hope im wrong. also what are we gonna do with him next year? little disappointed in this one but im glad we did something. GO CAPS!!!!

Posted by: david171 | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Look, in actuality we gave up a 2nd rounder (2012) for Arnott. Steckel got thrown in.

I love Steckel but he could whiffed on more feeds (to and from) this year than I care to count. Arnott is a BIG change over Steckel in A's and G's, and we just give up 7% points on the draw.

Posted by: Justafan | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Caps trade a 28 year old guy who is great in locker room and a 2nd round draft pick for a 36 year old guy who has 4 or 5 more points than Steckel and is a UFA at the end of the season... and this is the guy who is going to swoop in and become a 2nd line center? And the Wideman trade means that Green is hurt worse than what the fans are being told. Philly has ten times the depth and Tampa has a lot more firepower. This smells like another second round playoff bump to me.

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

The Caps got a 2C? I didn't see that trade. I saw the trade where we got Arnott (3C at best). Which 2C did we pick up?
IMO these 3 moves make the Caps a better team. I'm not sure how the cap numbers work but, I'm sure they will figure that out.

Posted by: chriscaps | February 28, 2011 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Arnott: "I'm at the end of my career. I want a chance at another Stanley Cup. I think Washington has a good potential to be a Cup team."

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

GMGM acquired Sturm, Wideman, and Arnott for Steckel, Hauswirth, a 3rd round pick, and a 2nd round pick. That is pretty darn economical. Hauswirth isn't even rated by hockeysfuture.com in the Caps twenty best prospects. Although I like Stecks, he is very replaceable and isn't that young (28) and draft picks are OK as long as you don't trade them all away (ie Redskins).

Posted by: blackandred777 | February 28, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Video: Jason Arnott's 2000 Stanley Cup winning goal in game six against the Stars. Gives me chills watching it and knowing he is a Cap.

Let's Go Caps!

Link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6szYBqMq_6k

Posted by: jmarks09 | February 28, 2011 3:52 PM | Report abuse

argh - didn't know about the 2nd round pick!! Oh well. We'll have to make some trades to get some picks back, boys and girls. Can do that before the draft.

Let's hope Fehr comes back and does some good things. He could fetch us a draft choice or two later on...(And he's a pretty decent hockey player if he can get consistent top 6 minutes somewhere.)

Posted by: RedLitYogi | February 28, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin-Backstrom-Semin
Strum-Arnott-Knuble
Laich-MaJo-Beagle
Hendricks-B.Gordon-Bradley

?

Posted by: butcherbaker | February 28, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

_stevo:
i think corvo was for this years 2nd

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 3:53 PM | Report abuse

No top prospects traded. Check.

No large contracts to manage. Check.

Veterans with Stanley Cup playoff experience. Check.

Second line center, wing and defenseman to stand in for Green and Poti. Check.

Subtraction of Steckel, a #3 this year and a #2 next year. Jake Hauswirth.

Not that much to give up for the added depth.

Not many of us believed that Tyler Sloan belonged in an NHL rotation on the backline in any event.

Arnott gives the team not only leadership and experience but size. That has been an issue with Backstrom, Johansson and Perreault down the middle for the past weeks/months.

Posted by: RoyHobbs4 | February 28, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

McPhee wanted Hemsky? According to Dreger, the Oilers "never called anyone about Hemsky."

Posted by: JohninMpls | February 28, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Stecks was signed till 2013.. don't see that move, could do #1st round and MP

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Folks - keep your perspective please - we were not shopping for Pronger and Crosby.

Arnott > Steckel or anyone playing 2C (MP)

Wideman > Sloan

Strum > who cares - he was free

Good day - we gave up next to nothing and got the depth we were looking for...yes, that was me being positive!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 28, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

The 2nd isn't that huge a deal - draft is a total crapshoot by late 2nd round - it could be as good as we hope Orlov and Neuvirth turn out to be long term, or just as likely, a Mestery or a Daigneault.

Posted by: yosemite_sam | February 28, 2011 3:55 PM | Report abuse

jmarks... It gives you chills to see a guy score a Cup winning goal 11 years ago???? Pathetic. Caps fans should be expecting more. I think this is a failed attempt to catch lightning in a bottle like Pittsburgh did a few years ago with Guerin.

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I take back my "FAIL" comment. Forgive me. I hope Arnott works out well. I already liked the Sturm pick up, and Wideman can be ridiculous as the point on Powerplays. Sorry to see Stecks go, but if he was the only roster player lost, I think this was a success.

Posted by: j3rockstar | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

none of the 2 moves today significantly will alter the path of the Washington Caps this season.

That's my 2 cents on it :)

Gordo as a full-time 4th line center is about the option in all the NHL. And 4th line centers play a semi-prominent role in their team's fortunes.

Arnott and Wideman are decent acquisitions, nothing more. And it'll be very interesting to see how much Arnott has left in his tank and how he matches up on the 2nd line.

But nothing that happened today was significant. The only thing I'm fairly happy about is us not giving up too much of the future so the next GM doesn't have too much baggage to deal with.

I wish we hadn't given up the 2nd rounder in 2012 though. That is going to be a better draft year then next year.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

We gave up a 1 trick pony for some1 with pedigree & people complain.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

McPhee wanted Hemsky? According to Dreger, the Oilers "never called anyone about Hemsky."

Posted by: JohninMpls | February 28, 2011 3:54 PM | Report abuse

They never called it doesn't say no one called them

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM | Report abuse

All in all, I think GMGM did well this year. We didn't give up much (although I'll miss Stecks' faceoff percentage), we got some more veteran leadership for the clubhouse (which I think was badly needed), and we finally have a legit 2C.

As far as the money goes, I think both Poti and Fehr are headed to LTIR, so that will help make the numbers work.

Posted by: wocoliz | February 28, 2011 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@thepat
Now that the deadline has passed, who are the 3 you were referring to a couple days ago?

Posted by: puckman | February 28, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'll take Arnott vs. Perrault/Majo/? all day. Sure - it's not huge, but it's a good move for the play-offs.

Posted by: Jaymagz | February 28, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@johninmapls

Just bc the Oilers didnt call anyone about him, doesnt mean a call wasnt placed to them. They got told what it would take and McPhee hung up on them basically and thats where it ended.

Posted by: ThePat | February 28, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Arnott wears no. 25. "Chimera please pick up the white courtesy phone. Mr. Chimera please pick up the white courtesy phone. Mr. Jason Arnott is on line 1."

Posted by: robostop10 | February 28, 2011 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm assuming Steckel was basically a throw in to get under the cap. Caps had to move a player for both cap space and roster space reasons.

Posted by: jake81 | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I believe the reason Steckel went is maybe we were at 50 NHL contracts and needed to move one, but more importantly for cap space. Caps might've had to waive Steckel (or someone) otherwise to fit Arnott. We added $11.875M in contracts between Sturm, Wideman and Arnott. Something had to give. Actually, I think two more things have to give - another demation to come (Sloan) and a penalty next year for overrunning this year.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

imho it depends on if we're getting the productive 2002-2008 version of Arnott who seemed to really flourish offensively with Dallas and Nashville (including 4 seasons with 27+ goals and several 54+ or 70+ point seasons); or the guy who seemed to tail off these last 2 seasons.

I wouldn't expect him to put up those kinds of points in NJ's schemes, but he might be productive again centering our guys.

More importantly (see playoff stats in his Wikipedia entry: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Arnott), he's got 101 playoff games experience. While has hasn't been that playoff-productive since his 1999-2001 N.J. heyday, there's probably no playoff situation he hasn't seen before.

Posted by: blackjack65 | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

I, too, found the semantics interesting. I don't know if that was selective wording by Dreger's source or not.

To be honest, save for the NHL-approved deals, it's probably not worth believing anyone today.

Posted by: JohninMpls | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Fehr can go LTIR forever- he is a fragile, fragile, big man. Shame- it could have been Getzlaf.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | February 28, 2011 3:59 PM | Report abuse

We gave up a 1 trick pony for some1 with pedigree & people complain.

Posted by: Rocc00


spoken by someone who obviously hasn't watched Arnott play over the past 2 seasons.

His pedigree matters not. His prime years are way behind him. He's better than Perrault. But he's not a workhorse on whose shoulders you can ride. You just have to look at the way he plays in the corners. The original Jason Arnott was a legitimate force along the boards and would manhandle other players. Now he's mostly just a big body.

Again, i can think of worse moves we could've made (i.e. trading a top prospect like Eakin for damaged goods like Richards).

But these 2 moves were average moves that don't address one of the big weaknesses of this team -- bringing in heart and soul warriors who have a lot left in their tank to drive this team to play hard on every shift, every night. Neither Arnott nor Wideman inspire that kind of play. And you need those intangibles for a deep playoff run. All that happened today is it maybe gave us a little leg up on surviving the 1st round. That's how low the bar got set.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

tack on a 2nd rounder to get Arnott. A little more painful, but necessary moves.

My lines...

8/19/28
18/Arnott/16
21/90/22 - sure looked good on Sat night together.
10/15/26

No Chimi.

Posted by: jimc93 | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@puckman

I just posted above what we targeted. If you are referencing the 3 players in our locker room that I mentioned, Im not saying that. Some people when they were guessing nailed 2 of them though.

Posted by: ThePat | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I think the thing we all have to realize is that we have a ton of prospects that are in the system. They all are still there today. That builds depth in an organization. That's how the Flyers and Wings and can afford to make those trades and be perennial contenders.

Anything we could have drafted next year in the 2nd rd can be had in FA this summer or next, and would be a NHL ready player, not a prospect that could hit or miss.

I wanted to see "The Trade" that would have bumped up the Caps from playoff team to Cup Contender. I wanted to see a trade on par with the Langway trade in 82 (when the Caps went from bottom feeder to playoff team).

That did not happen, and I'm ok with that. Let the kids mature a bit more. Hope that the guys we added can bring something missing to the table. I still teams don't want to play us in the playoffs, regardless of how we are playing now.

Posted by: capsfan0837 | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@ puckman. No way he can tell you that. Even if Stecks and MP were 2 of the 3 there is still one in the Caps locker room and probably more like 2 or 3 he won't tell because of how unprofessional it is to do that.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible Arnott choose us instead of the Pens? Maybe he wouldn't waive his NTC for them and chose us because he thinks we have a better shot at the cup? Has anyone heard what Pens/Habs offered for him?

Posted by: Walle | February 28, 2011 4:02 PM | Report abuse

St.L must have wanted THIS YEARS pick which we don't have not next years.

@dcfury Steckel was added to make up for the fact it wasn't this years pick.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Makes sense thanks. Didn't think about that.

I like Arnott but he isn't a 2nd line center and were going to try and utilize him as one.

Posted by: digster1013 | February 28, 2011 4:03 PM | Report abuse

Proof that Edmonton did actually talk to teams about Hemsky

Pierre LeBrun
Oilers never came off demand of Schenn for Hemsky so Kings shifted gears to Penner

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The only thing I'm fairly happy about is us not giving up too much of the future so the next GM doesn't have too much baggage to deal with.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM

I second this.

We still aren't close to contenders for this season.

We've done little to nothing to improve for the future.

Just glad he didn't give up too much since we weren't a mere piece or two away after he sat on his hands this summer.

Don't mind losing the 2nd rd pick. McPhee's drafting history post 1st rd is miserable overall. Let's see how Orlov pans out before we annoint him the next Zubov or whatever.

And lol at people thinking some of us were hiding because McPhee did anything of signficance today. I will never hide from this insignificant little board. And McPhee did nothing of significance today.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:04 PM | Report abuse


arnott is too old to be our second line center. i really hope im wrong. also what are we gonna do with him next year? little disappointed in this one but im glad we did something. GO CAPS!!!!

Posted by: david171 | February 28, 2011 3:50 PM |

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i'd call that happy for something

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I wish we hadn't given up the 2nd rounder in 2012 though. That is going to be a better draft year then next year.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM

you not trying to say you'd have faith in gmgm doing something positive with ~20 or so pick in the second round of a draft - are you?
if he's not picking in the first or early second - he pretty much gave up nothing as he wouldn't have done much with it anyway.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Looks like good moves at this point. Let's see, however, if Coach/GMGM asks Wideman/Sturm/Arnott to drastically change THEIR game in order to adjust to this great new defensive system that has been implemented.
By adding these guys, will the real Ovie emerge again?

Posted by: scmonty1 | February 28, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

"Again, i can think of worse moves we could've made."

Wow, a positive statement by cstanton! It is snowing in Palm Springs as we speak.

You youngsters probably won't remember this, but back in the day, the New York Islanders had Trottier, Bossy, Potvin, etc., but no Stanley Cups. It was only when they went out and got Butch Goering, a veteran second-line centerman who was a locker room leader, that everything came together.

Could Arnott be the Caps' Butch Goering? Stay tuned.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | February 28, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Steckel, thank you for making Crosby a damaged player before you left! You will always be in my memory for that.

Posted by: JohnWWW | February 28, 2011 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Did the best they could do without giving away some real assets. Face offs are good to win but so is the Puck in the net which Steck could not do enough. GMGM is the GM and that is good compared to the whiners on this board who have stayed away today. Hard to trade for people if they are not available for any reason. We kept all of our young guys. Let's turn this up a notch now. LETS GO CAPS!!!!!

Posted by: ballgame21 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

spoken by someone who obviously hasn't watched Arnott play over the past 2 seasons.

His pedigree matters not. His prime years are way behind him. He's better than Perrault. But he's not a workhorse on whose shoulders you can ride. You just have to look at the way he plays in the corners. The original Jason Arnott was a legitimate force along the boards and would manhandle other players. Now he's mostly just a big body.

Again, i can think of worse moves we could've made (i.e. trading a top prospect like Eakin for damaged goods like Richards).

But these 2 moves were average moves that don't address one of the big weaknesses of this team -- bringing in heart and soul warriors who have a lot left in their tank to drive this team to play hard on every shift, every night. Neither Arnott nor Wideman inspire that kind of play. And you need those intangibles for a deep playoff run. All that happened today is it maybe gave us a little leg up on surviving the 1st round. That's how low the bar got set.

Posted by: cstanton1

Can you opine on who else was available for the Caps? It seems that everyone they wanted was just too steep to acquire. I definitely don't want to see Alzner, Carlson, anyone of our goalies and draft picks go for Richards etc. What deal could have been put together? I think we got what we were able to get because of what other teams wouldn't give up or had available.

Posted by: robostop10 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Caps trade a 28 year old guy who is great in locker room and a 2nd round draft pick for a 36 year old guy who has 4 or 5 more points than Steckel and is a UFA at the end of the season... and this is the guy who is going to swoop in and become a 2nd line center? And the Wideman trade means that Green is hurt worse than what the fans are being told. Philly has ten times the depth and Tampa has a lot more firepower. This smells like another second round playoff bump to me.

Well most analysts disagree with you. When your team is mired in a losing streaks, quite often veterans will tend to disappear, Federov looked like he was ready to retire in Columbus. He's playing 3rd line center in NJ, becuase that team is way deeper at C than the Caps. John Maclean has to be the worst coach in NHL history because that team looks unbeatable right now, I hope they get in and beat the Flyers in Round 1. Sturm is my fav signing as the Kings really thought no one would grab him based on the injuries this year. He was slated to play with Kopitar on the Kings 1st line the night we took him. If he brings 80% back of what he had in Boston than that signing is robbery.

Ovi/Backy/Knuble
Laich/Arnott/Semin
Sturm/Mojo/Chimera
bradley/Gordon/Hendrix

When Fehr comes back slide him in for Laich and Laich could anchor the 4th line giving us 4 strong lines that could roll all game. Not sure if that happens, but would love to see it.

Posted by: Bricucci1 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1. Do you think that adding someone like Arnott who while he may not have enough left in the tank to do some of the things you mentioned himself maybe it was key for the locker room to have someone who can kick the players who can do it in the @$$ and make them better?

Not saying magicly turn this team into the Cup favorites but do more in terms of making this team better in the locker room and on the bench then on the ice.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Remember folks, Knuble is 38 and Arnott is 36. So getting Arnott IMO isn't a downside at all but an upgrade with a veteran and SC winner in the locker room.

Posted by: JMinVA | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Csanton- when u learn to skate & stick, then I'll watch more Devils hockey. Else, go inhale some more LDL.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Report says Penguins made no attempt to trade for Arnott. Their GM said he would make no late day deals. Rumore has it that Crosby will be back two weeks before the end of the season.

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 4:07 PM | Report abuse

I've never commented here but I feel I must. Anyone who thinks the Devils won this trade just doesn't know hockey. Arnott is a 6-5 CENTER who is willing and able to crash the net and screen the goalie, is a great leader and has won a cup already. Steckel is a WINGER who hasn't done anything except win faceoffs. We weren't going to get Richards and we needed a 2nd line center. This is a great trade and GMGM should be commended.

Posted by: fb0782a | February 28, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

I still [sic] teams don't want to play us in the playoffs, regardless of how we are playing now.

Posted by: capsfan0837 |


based on what? You don't think the Flyers or Rangers want to face us in the playoffs? We got 2 rookie D, an injured Green, another offensive dman with questionable defensive ability in Wideman, Sarge and Erskine. What about that is so scary for other teams?

The only thing "scary" about the Caps in the past was the ability to turn on massive offense at the drop of a hat (in the reg season that is). They don't even that attribute anymore, even with Arnott imo.

All that being said, I like the ability of this team to understand how to play a lead. That to me is the single biggest improvement they've made.

But if anyone thinks we're going to see a Caps team treat every playoff game with the requisite amount of urgency, you'll be sadly mistaken. You're going to be very disappointed in the inconsistent efforts you'll get from this team. There is no magic switch they will turn on from this point on. That's a deeprooted trait for this team, to be unable to play at a high level of effort even in critical situations like playoff games. They're going to come out with weak efforts, then turn it on like crazy, come back in some games, not come back in others. And this offseason the same stuff that has been talked about all year long will continue to be talked about. Why can't this team play hard at least 80 to 90% of the time.

the answer is, because they don't have the roster for it. They have too many guys who don't mind losing games. And a coach who is unable to motivate them.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

McPhee is a complete joke and the biggest current barrier to this organization taking the next step.

As someone put it so well yesterday, we need a new architect to complete the process that started with the firesale years ago.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:08 PM | Report abuse

As one who frequently funnels goats blood, I must say, I am "content".

I can see all of these guys pitching in during the post season.

In the end, Shero jumped in and drove up the price. Well done by him. But in the grand sceme of things, it is well worth the risk. Just having Arnott in the locker room will be great for us.

Someone mentioned thses lines, which I really like:

8-19-28
21-90-22
Sturm-Arnott-16
10-15-26

52-23
74-27
6-(55-4)

Waive Chimera and his hands of stone.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 28, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

CapGeek
Our numbers are estimates, but we show the #nhl #capitals had to demote about $810,000 in cap hits or put the same amount on LTIR.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

But these 2 moves were average moves that don't address one of the big weaknesses of this team -- bringing in heart and soul warriors who have a lot left in their tank to drive this team to play hard on every shift, every night.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Depends on the cast they are placed in....one would have called Alzner and B. Gordon "heart and soul" warriors when they played junior hockey on the Canadian World junior teams - in fact Alzner was a captain of a gold medal team....it all depends on the environment - I bet if Arnott were added to that plucky Pittsburgh team right now he would be considered to add to their grit.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 4:09 PM | Report abuse

Devils fans were happy with just getting Stecks, a 2nd rounder was gravy on top.

I'm gonna miss Stecks. To bad it couldn't have been Boyd Gordon.

Posted by: digster1013 | February 28, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Csanton- when u learn to skate & stick, then I'll watch more Devils hockey. Else, go inhale some more LDL.

Posted by: Rocc00 |

when you post something hockey-specific that leads me to believe you know anything more than being a rah rah pom pom waving cheerleader, I'll listen to your advice.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:10 PM | Report abuse

There are some on this blog that would criticize GMGM if he traded a 7th round pick for Crosby. The boy that cried wolf.....................

Posted by: blackandred777 | February 28, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton01 - I agree that JA's best days behind him but I don't see this team - if wise - putting him out there 5 on 5 as our 2nd C. He's there to help the PP and I think he will. I hope that, 5 on 5, Majo remains the 2C with Sturm and Laich on the flanks. Arnott might pair well with Knuble on a 3rd line (the "hey-lets-slow-it-down-boys" line).

The question is what do the PP units look like?
I'm thinking:
1st:
Ovie Arnott Backstrom
? Green

2nd:
Semin Knuble Majo
Ovie Carlson

Posted by: RedLitYogi | February 28, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

old man at TSN got it right, Devils stole Steckel from us

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 4:11 PM | Report abuse

so who is going to "accidentaly" take out Crosby in the playoff now?

Posted by: heathdog1119 | February 28, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1. Do you think that adding someone like Arnott who while he may not have enough left in the tank to do some of the things you mentioned himself maybe it was key for the locker room to have someone who can kick the players who can do it in the @$$ and make them better?

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from what I know about Arnott and watching him with the Devils and Stars, he was never the kind of guy to kick other players in the A$$. That role was performed by OTHER players on those teams. He was a follower more than a leader in his prime. He had the benefit of playing with great leaders.

I don't think of him in the way you described.

I'll say it again. I don't despise either trade. I just think they are both largely inconsequential moves that won't do much to change the fortunes of this team. But at least it takes MP out of the lineup so for that I'm happy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

@RedLit

Sturm, Wideman and Arnott will all be on the PP.

That is the one thing that this shold help. We will now have 2 complete units when everyone is healthy.

Posted by: ThePat | February 28, 2011 4:13 PM | Report abuse

People have thought and continue to think that our success will come from certain class, skilled players.

I reckon it all has to do with the system we play. In the last few years we have been increasingly successful playing our offensive style. But because we go out in the first round against a hot Habs team last year, that also beat the Pens and eventually lost to the Stanley Cup runner-ups, we change it all! Madness!

Posted by: redskinsux | February 28, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Briccuci... Sturm is made of glass. He is on his 4th team in ~ 6 years. Arnott adds a little leadership, but he isn't going to go on a tear and score a lot of goals. This team is about Ovie, Sedin, Backstrom, and goaltending... This team is not a dominant defensive team. And in the playoffs, EVERYONE plays defense. This team will go as far as Ovie and the goaltending will take them. Arnott will not be a factor.

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Some of you need to realize that tons of prospects that get hyped up before even playing a single game in the NHL end up being total disappointments and flops. I'll admit that there are things to like about Eakin, Kuznetsov and few others but let's not go annointing these guys and drawing comparisons before they've had a few years in the NHL. It's way too early to even know what we really have in the young guys currently on the roster. Somebody yesterday was ready to say that Johansson would be one of the best centermen in the NHL in a few years. Now look, I like Johansson. I see him as one of the 3 or 4 current forwards that I consider part of the core but there are a lot of things ridiculous about that dude's statement. First, he almost surely knows little to nothing about the young prospects in the 29 other organizations so it's impossible to know where one of your player ranks compared to those prospects and everything is relative. I don't know either but that's why I'm merely cautiously optimistic and not saying stuff like "young player A is gonna be da bestest player in da whole leaguez!" when it's literally impossible for even the best analyst to know that since it's so difficult to gauge the future of young players. There are so many variables and unknowns.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

guys we got better, which is awesome.

but for me, more than anything....adding these veterans gives our core group of young players some HOPE.

after the debacle last year, i feel like we have looked like a team that didnt even believe in themselves, or in the system we're playing.

i think these moves, should be a tremendous emotional lift to our guys.

Posted by: capitalsfan47802 | February 28, 2011 4:15 PM | Report abuse

new thread

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 4:16 PM | Report abuse

Depends on the cast they are placed in....one would have called Alzner and B. Gordon "heart and soul" warriors when they played junior hockey on the Canadian World junior teams
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This is an irrelevant point, or I just flat out missed the point.

Gordon has proven to be nothing more than a low impact wallflower in the NHL. I don't care what he did with Red Deer or other aspects of junior hockey. I can think of plenty of captains and co captains in junior hockey who were complete duds in that respect in the NHL.

Alzner has a little more ability in that regard to be a future leader. But anyway, maybe I missed your point. But I don't consder Arnott or Wideman to signifantly upgrade the character or work ethic of this team. I'll refrain from insultin McPhee directly today. I'll just say that the rhetoric that comes out today about how great the Capitals moves were, is just that - rhetoric. In the reality of it all, not much changed today.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I thought some of u whiteys grew up with baseball & deadline deals that put teams in a positive state vs. Where they were?
Recasting a team from top to bottom @ the trade deadline isn't. The point.

@ tmac2yao - come in, we're here chump.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 28, 2011 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Good moves. The team has a lot of versatility now. You can move Semin up to the top line, situationally, and have a pretty gritty proven second line with some punch: Laich-Arnott-Knuble. High price paid for a 36 yo rental but team recognized that they had to address the needs. Doesn't hurt that Arnott has a cup and is a big playoff body.

Posted by: floridianschteve | February 28, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

and please, lets not anoint Marco Sturm as some kind of great player. He's a cross between Bates Battaglia and Jason Chimera.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Teams still better/now better than the Caps: Vancouver, Detroit, Philly, Pittsburgh(If Crosby is back), Los Angeles,Tampa, Boston, and maybe San Jose(But they seem like they are the Western version of the Caps).

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I find that I cannot vote on the poll because there is no button for a tie. I really think the trade was a push for both clubs -- Washington gets the 2C it's been looking who also has good veteran presence, while NJ gets a center with some potential if he can get more minutes and a 2nd round pick with which to rebuild.

Posted by: braunt | February 28, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

I really like the moves we made today. I mean let's be honest we weren't going to trade MP and get Crosby or Malkin in return. Gotta have realistic expectations.

I like Stecks, but he and Gordon are basically the same player and our team is fine with just 1 of them playing, but not both like they have been.

Arnott/Sturm in lineup is better than Steckel/MP, which is who they are basically replacing.

Wideman is a great depth move, especially with Green being hurt and our PP horrible right now.

I think GMGM did pretty good addressing some needs and not giving up too much.

Posted by: MattBradley10 | February 28, 2011 4:21 PM | Report abuse

At the risk of the usual Caps can't do anything right brigade jumping all over me, I can't believe what TSN just said. "The Capitals window is 3 years max". Are you kidding me? Did I miss something? Are all but 4 Caps over the age of 30 and not the other way around as I know to be true? Further, IMO Steckel IS NOT a prospect as Melrose and TSN are stating! He is 28 years old. He is what he is and he will never be much more than that.

Posted by: blackandred777 | February 28, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

When we traded for Hannan I was glad about the acquisition but I was also glad that we traded Flash and his bad contract and the bad experiment of him at center. Now that we traded for Arnott, I'm once again glad about the acquisition- though I'm not sure hat he has left yet or how he'll fit yet- but I'm also glad we dumped Stecks and his horrible contract. Nice guy- wish him the best- but he's slow and really not that good at anything other than faceoffs- I'd much rather have B Gordon or Beagle or A Gordon on the team and in the lineup and their contracts will be a much better value in an era where penny pinching is crucial. Dave's contract was way too much for the value he provided and we've been paring too much for role players in general. Thumbs up on the move. Unfortunately I believe the team has bigger issues right now and Bruce better get it together pronto.

Posted by: ParticipatoryDemocracyNow | February 28, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 as usual takes one line out of context that I wrote and then comments on the one line....

You have to change out about 12 guys to change the real culture and work ethic of this team...Arnott and Sturm will balance it little but arnott may help the room - I have my doubts about what wideman adds....

The fact that arnott and sturm play on the PP and might both be willing to stand in front of the net can't be bad for this team.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 4:23 PM | Report abuse


McPhee is a complete joke and the biggest current barrier to this organization taking the next step.

As someone put it so well yesterday, we need a new architect to complete the process that started with the firesale years ago.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:08 PM |

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weak comments with nothing to back them up.

at the current moment, the caps are in the hunt for a playoff position and made some rational moves to improve, and all you do is whine, on cue.

the caps will make the playoffs, and when they are dismissed from them or win the cup, you can start whining. till then...

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 4:25 PM | Report abuse

@ blackandred777

Well the TSN guys are looking at contracts and trying to keep teams together in the salary cap era. What they overlook is the depth of the organization with prospects on the back end - I feel you are right but not all Orlov, Eakin, Kuznetsov etc will be elite players.

(TSN might be a little used to how Canadian teams struggle holding their core players together)

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

Sturm is a cross between Bates Battaglia and Jason Chimera? Sorry dude, I like a lot of what you have to say (partucluary about adding grit) but that one is a little hard to swallow.

Posted by: jimc93 | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

from reading many of these comments I think when the Caps win the cup, people will complain that they did not win the cup soon enough.

Posted by: CelticFCbhoys | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

McPhee is one of the stronger GM's in the league. If they get bumped again, the coaching staff needs to be reevaluated. I hate to say it, but it is true.

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 4:27 PM | Report abuse

That's it. I've had all I can take. I'm certain I have not watched as much hockey as Cstanton, but I've been on enough teams to know cancer when I see one, and you cstanston are a cancer. If you were in a locker room you'd be the first to go. No one, and I mean no one would back you in a fight. You cry cry cry, never offering a solution. I have no idea if who the Caps picked up will lead to a deep run in the playoffs, but I do know that three moves were made and only a 4th line center was given up. Even if all three moves fail, and fail miserably, nothing is lost. Plus it would give you the amunition to move out GMGM like you mentioned. Let's just hope Cstanton follows him.

Posted by: nfb987 | February 28, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Arnott would have been a great pick up in 2006 or so. Now, I'm not sure I would have given Steckel straight-up for him. Love Stecks' ability on faceoffs, grinding, on defense, etc.

But throwing in a second-round pick, too? Who made this trade — Shanahan?

Posted by: DC2Dallas | February 28, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Teams still better/now better than the Caps: Vancouver, Detroit, Philly, Pittsburgh(If Crosby is back), Los Angeles,Tampa, Boston, and maybe San Jose(But they seem like they are the Western version of the Caps).

Posted by: psumule70 | February 28, 2011 4:19 PM

You are vastly underrating how superior the Western Conference is than the EC. I'd say that at least the top 10 in the West are all as good or better than the Caps. You can't merely look at point standings. Their is much more depth in the West. Only a single WC team has a losing record against the East and it's by a mere 1 game and that team best us (Minny). Meanwhile, the Caps have the worst record in the entire EC against the West. Again, don't just look at the standings. WC play WC mostly and that reflects in the records.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:28 PM | Report abuse

Don't mind losing Steckel since he really hasn't proven to be anything but a face off specialist.

My question is how do we get under the salary cap? According to Capgeek, we are $807,643 over.

Posted by: Big_Pushy | February 28, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

from reading many of these comments I think when the Caps win the cup, people will complain that they did not win the cup soon enough.

Posted by: CelticFCbhoys | February 28, 2011 4:26 PM | Report abuse

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This isn't the post of the day, it is the post of the year!

Spot on Celtic! You absolutely speak the truth!

Posted by: blackandred777 | February 28, 2011 4:31 PM | Report abuse

At the risk of the usual Caps can't do anything right brigade jumping all over me, I can't believe what TSN just said. "The Capitals window is 3 years max". Are you kidding me? Did I miss something? Are all but 4 Caps over the age of 30 and not the other way around as I know to be true? Further, IMO Steckel IS NOT a prospect as Melrose and TSN are stating! He is 28 years old. He is what he is and he will never be much more than that.

Posted by: blackandred777 | February 28, 2011 4:22 PM |

Risk not averted.

First, you don't seem to fully comprehend the nature of the hard cap era.

That window may even be too big. I thought last year was our best chance.

As far as being totally literal, every team theoretically has a chance every season. The "window" he is referring to is when they have their best chance based on a lot of factors. Once your stars are paid like stars and they start aging, other upstart teams will have the likes of a Stamkos or another young stud on an entry level contract. That alone gives those teams a financial edge over the competition. The Caps can win a cup during the Ovechkin era after the next 3 years but it'll be far less likely than it was over the last season or two.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:32 PM | Report abuse

@tmacy2yao

Ah Ha, "insignificnat little board"!! What boards do you find significant, Pens, Flyers? Go hang out there. This is a CAPS board. As for GMGM trades this week, time will tell, but the CAPS will be in this years playoffs and I suspect they will enter them a better team as result of this week's trade.

Posted by: adhardwick | February 28, 2011 4:33 PM | Report abuse

weak comments with nothing to back them up.

at the current moment, the caps are in the hunt for a playoff position and made some rational moves to improve, and all you do is whine, on cue.

the caps will make the playoffs, and when they are dismissed from them or win the cup, you can start whining. till then...

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 4:25 PM

A, I can start whining now. You don't dictate when I can do what.

B, I've gone into detail over and over and over and over again about why I don't think this team is close to ready. I've cited numerous things from the makeup to the roster to the things McPhee has done and failed to do. I've written paragraph upon paragraph of my meaningless beliefs so I did back that statement up numerous times. Agree or disagree with my points, but I backed it up. And I'll go into full detail many more times in the future. You obviously missed my previous posts so look for future ones if you don't feel like reading back. Others should be able to tell you some of my supporting explanations.

And lol @ "the Caps will make the playoffs." Whoopdee doo! I never said they wouldn't. They won't get close to a cup and I would guess that they have their worst 1st rd defeat to date in the Boudreau era regardless of who they face. This team is soft and spineless and poorly coached. The roster is highly imbalanced in a lot of areas. Arnott, Wideman nor Sturm do much if anything to come close to addressing 10% of our needs.

You'll be the one whining sooner or later, whether you do it here or elsewhere, including in your own little head.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:37 PM | Report abuse

tmac2yao:
I'm curious... If this board is so insignificant (and in the grand scheme of things it really is), why do you spend so much time on it, often posting ad nauseum ramblings spread over many back-to-back posts? Do you just enjoy dedicating that much time to something of such little insignificance, or do you feel you're fulfilling some duty?

Posted by: jagle | February 28, 2011 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Get these guys in jerseys and skates ASAP!

Posted by: StratCat1 | February 28, 2011 4:49 PM | Report abuse

So we needed a 2nd line center and a stay home defenseman and we got a 3rd line center and an offensive defenseman?

Really?

I'm already looking forward to 2012.

Who do you think the coach will be?

Posted by: dac18 | February 28, 2011 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Can we PLEASE get Tarik El-Bashir back??? Please??? Katie is just awful. Beyond bad. All she does is report what NHL Network reports 30 minutes after they do.

Posted by: lasthe | February 28, 2011 4:54 PM | Report abuse

Great picks up GMGM, anyone who thinks the Caps aren't a better team you lack any hockey knowledge. The Caps are ready for a playoff run, and once Fher is back in the line up this team will have 3 scary lines, anyone who think less is ignorant.. Wideman was a great pick up, he is only minus player because of the team he is on. He is a top 4 d-man.. All in all this was a great day for the Caps, and if you dont agree, you are hockey ignorant...

Posted by: CapsBaby | February 28, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hate this, would have rather stood pat.

Posted by: tgerbracht | February 28, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

tmac,

I totally get the hard cap era. The Capitals prospects are rated as the 5th best in hockey.

Posted by: blackandred777 | February 28, 2011 5:02 PM | Report abuse

what the hell is to hate?????

Posted by: capitalsfan47802 | February 28, 2011 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Im very happy with the moves we made today, much better than last year.
As for line combos(when everyone is healthy) i want to see:
Ov-Backs-Knuble
Semin-Arnott-Sturm
Laich-Mojo-Fehr
Chimera-Gordon/Hendricks-Bradley/Hendricks

Hannan-Green
Alzner-Carlson
Poti-Wideman

I really think we should split up arnott,knuble,and fehr because they are the 3 slowest players on our team

Posted by: rockthered90 | February 28, 2011 5:06 PM | Report abuse

blackandred,

Don't waste your time. There are a few people on this blog that know everything there is to know about hockey and we are not worthy of it. Just bow to them and snicker.

Posted by: Gambrills4 | February 28, 2011 5:14 PM | Report abuse

steckel has already proven that he can be a difference maker in whether or not we advance in the playoffs. He was a great asset to Washington and will be missed.

Posted by: Beltwayman2 | February 28, 2011 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Far be it from me to throw a little cold water on one of tmac2yao's rants, but:

In the scheme of things, it really doesn't matter a whole lot in the playoffs if there are 10--or 100 teams for that matter--in the Western Conference better than the Caps. That's because the Caps don't have to win in the Western Conference to reach the Stanley Cup finals, right? Or is there some new playoff system I haven't heard about.

p.s. Your handle: tmac2yao seems to indicate you are into basketball. Maybe that accounts for your lack of insight about hockey.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | February 28, 2011 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Looking at this objectively and w/o emotion. I am happy the Caps did something - I think we overpaid for Arnott w the 2nd rounder but time will tell. He is a big body and will help on the power-play and has grit which is something we lack.

I love Steckel but he is a bigger B. Gordon - great role player. We needed to do something to mix up the chemistry on this team - I think GMGM waited too long and could've made some better moves earlier but this is the line-up we got - hope the golf bags are in storage to July this year. Go Caps!

Posted by: rskinsfan | February 28, 2011 5:35 PM | Report abuse

in the end it will be hard to see Steckel and his faceoff percentage go. at the same time, there are others who are more than capable at over 50%. given the Green/Poti situations, Wideman should be able to fill a role. Arnott, although 36, is something we needed. He's not the flashy Richards pickup (way over-priced), but experience should go a long way in making this team go. I do agree with rockthered90's defensive combos, finally time for Schultz to sit out and actually see what it takes to be an NHL d-man. Of course our brass loves the guy, and unfortunately invested way too much money for him to sit. How's that +/- this year Sarge?

Posted by: erico31us | February 28, 2011 5:39 PM | Report abuse

they make trades, and some cry....
are there better players out there???
sure is.....
were they available at reasonable cost??
probably not.....
mcphee picked up a center, a defensman and a winger...all with experience.
isn't this what the cry has been for???
seems like it to me.....
are they going to make the caps cup contenders?????
they already are.....as of today....
will they win it??????
they have just as much chance as any other team in the playoff if they started today....
the flyers stunk it up for most of the season last year......
they did pretty good in the playoffs.....

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 28, 2011 5:52 PM | Report abuse

they make trades, and some cry....
are there better players out there???
sure is.....
were they available at reasonable cost??
probably not.....
mcphee picked up a center, a defensman and a winger...all with experience.
isn't this what the cry has been for???
seems like it to me.....
are they going to make the caps cup contenders?????
they already are.....as of today....
will they win it??????
they have just as much chance as any other team in the playoff if they started today....
the flyers stunk it up for most of the season last year......
they did pretty good in the playoffs.....

Posted by: joerutgens72 | February 28, 2011 5:53 PM | Report abuse

...
That's my 2 cents on it :)
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Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 3:56 PM

Over priced!

Posted by: Rocka | February 28, 2011 6:00 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why anyone complains about the Arnott deal.

I've been a Caps fans since 1982, so I've more than paid my emotional dues. This team needs veteran playoff leadership from folks who've won the Cup. As much as I appreciate Ovie, Semin, Backstrom and Green, etc., those guys have proven to be great players -- not great leaders.

When you're down by two goals going into the third period of an elimination playoff game, would you rather hear from Ovie or Arnott?

How much longer can this offensive talent be squandered?

If this team had 20 more points (which it could easily have had) in the standings, would any moves have been made? No. So that's on the players. If you win, no moves are made. It's not like anyone will be eating out of a garbage can -- unless they want to.

I want the Cup. Let's get it now, Caps. Let's get it now. No more next year.

Posted by: gaspeny | February 28, 2011 6:11 PM | Report abuse

Why does everyone assume Gordo will be the #4 Center; I thought Hendricks was originally a center?

Melrose is probably right, Arnott was a desperate move. But he was the BEST move available (B. Richards is too risky right now). We needed a 2nd line center, and we got someone who can play that position. I HATED giving up Steckel, but we knew someone was going to have to go.

No, NOT Semin people. Yes, his inconsistency is a nuisance, but the guy has too much upside to just let go b/c people are pissed. They were not going to get a return on talent for Semin.

Everyone wanted a Center, and we got one. He is not perfect, he cost a lot, but he has WON the Cup before. He provides a mental boost b/c he is an experienced Center. I don't understand everyone's frustration. Whether this move is successful or not remains to be seen. For all those whiners, STOP TROLLING THE TEAM. Guess what your not hockey experts, and neither am I. Why not WAIT and see how the results pan out?

Oh, and Sturm was an excellent pick-up off waivers = a potentially big score that cost nothing but unneeded cap room. Wideman is also an excellent addition, for a fairly low cost (we have lot of good prospects, so eating a 3rd rounder and a guy most of you had not heard of until today, doesn't seem like a big deal) = D depth and best Green stand-in we could probably get at this point.

Posted by: mcgratsp | February 28, 2011 7:34 PM | Report abuse

I love this deal. Arnott is a big, physical center w/ skills who's a leader w/ a playoff pedigree. He's 36 years old, but even if he's a 3rd line center, he can be a positive factor in the playoffs.

Posted by: randysbailin | February 28, 2011 7:50 PM | Report abuse

arnott, sturm, and wideman are good pick ups... at this point in his career arnott is a swing guy and locker room presense a la sergie federov a few years ago... would of taken mccabe over wideman but it's push... nice overall pick ups and the caps picked them up for very little and freed up cap space at the end of the season...

Posted by: jimmy_the_crickett | February 28, 2011 8:04 PM | Report abuse

Why was Steckel still around? Couldn't hit, skate, back check and absolutely no stones; plus, an complete 2nd season failure.

Arnott's grit, toughness and "fought the battles and won it all" makes this an "only upside" deal

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