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Posted at 9:46 AM ET, 03/ 1/2011

Rate the Capitals' trade deadline moves

By Washington Post Sports Editors

By 3 p.m. yesterday, the Capitals were an older, more experienced team as General Manager George McPhee traded for center Jason Arnott from New Jersey and defenseman Dennis Wideman from Florida to go along with Saturday's waiver pickup of Marco Sturm.

How did McPhee do in his efforts to make the Capitals a more playoff-ready team?

By Washington Post Sports Editors  | March 1, 2011; 9:46 AM ET
Categories:  Dennis Wideman, Jason Arnott, Marco Sturm, Poll, Trade deadline  
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Everyone keeps talking about our second round pick (not this draft but in a year mind you) like it was this great price. Anyone look and see that the only 2nd round pick of ours on our roster is Neuvy and he was taken with pick #4 of the second round, much higher then we should be picking with the pick traded. The only other one who is even close to being on the team is Orlov. He was picked closer to were we will be picking but one player on our entire team and one other possibility. As for giving up Steckel, everyone does remember who David Steckel is right? Yes he is great on faceoffs but as has been said before so is Gordon. In fact of our current Cs only MJ90 is below 50%. Last year B. Gordon was actually better on faceoff % then Steckel and two years ago it was 57.9/56.1 so we lost a faceoff guy and we still have another one who is just as good. Also for as great as Steckel was on faceoffs does anyone remember late in the Carolina game earlier this year where he just had to not lose the faceoff clean, he did Carolina tied it and won in either the OT or SO I forget which. So even with his great % he still lost some key faceoffs which was the only real reason he was here anyway. The biggest thing he did for this team was when he accidently was skating and Crosby turned into him. When that is your career highlight how good can you really be?

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 1, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

Thats scary to see so many kool-aid drinkers on this board, especially about one of the worst plus/minuses guy in the league. was your kool-aid extra kool this morning? pathetic!

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Of course can't really and truly rate anything until the "new look" team gets 10 to 15 games under its belt. I give him a B- for effort. Still should not have been put in this position if he would have addressed our 2C need over the summer but for what was out there at deadline day it was an OK trade season

Posted by: hart2014 | March 1, 2011 9:54 AM | Report abuse

Thats scary to see so many kool-aid drinkers on this board, especially about one of the worst plus/minuses guy in the league. was your kool-aid extra kool this morning? pathetic!

Posted by: beforeitstoolate

And Sarge the pylon was the best plus-minus in the league last year...How's that working out for us?

Posted by: hart2014 | March 1, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 1, 2011 9:49 AM | Report abuse

you are the BIGGEST moron of this blog. I lost count how many times you said about that Carolina game, who gives the s--t about one Carolina game when Stecks didn't do it? Look at over-all rating, you just don't trade your best face-off man for nothing.

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 9:59 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: hart2014 | March 1, 2011 9:56 AM | Report abuse


hmm, captain obvious for the help! I hope you were joking when you wrote that. Last seasons half of the caps were in top 20 scoring. Florida have couple guys with plus rating, just Wideman can't play D. Like Gonchar used to be,0 defense skills, but good in offense.

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 10:01 AM | Report abuse

ice: Here, I answered you on previous thread. And, FWIW, I agree with you 100% on Stecks. Guess that means I'm the @ND BIGGEST moron on the blog. Slide over and I'll join you.

icehammer: Good point. I listed over the weekend all the people McPhee has ever drafted, past Round 1, to play more than ten games for the Caps. It's like Pettinger, Neuvy, Perreault and maybe Andrew Gordon is just about at 10. Holtby was a #3 round. There's one more I'm forgetting, but Pettinger was I think the only middle/late 2nd rounder in 13 drafts.

So, that 2nd round pick had 7% chance of becoming even a cup-of-coffee player.

I will say McPhee has done better the last few years with later picks, but it took a LONG time.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | March 1, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

@hart2014

+/- stat isn't a reflection on how good you are as a player, but your team.. Wideman is a - player this year because of the team he is on. When he was with Boston he was a + player. That stat is pretty over rated.. Its more of a reflection on the team.. Every Capital player is way down in +/- this season. Wideman is a solid top 4 defender and is a RIGHT handed shot.. Ovechkin can get off of the point on the power play now... Learn the game of hockey and not just look at a silly stat

Posted by: CapsBaby | March 1, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

BTW, I'm not rating the moves until we see how they play. I knew back over the summer when we made NO MOVES that it was the wrong thing, because we had holes in the roster. Now we have made SOME MOVES.

Obviously, though, there were options for better moves this year. For instance, we did not use #1 pick nor any of the young assets. So, you could have gotten more. Would it have made a difference? Don't know. In hindsight, I will always say the rest of my life that getting Bill Guerin in 09, rather then letting the Pens get him, would have put Caps in ECF vs Canes and likely in SCF. Will Arnott be that player?

Ask the poll again on the eve of the playoffs.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | March 1, 2011 10:10 AM | Report abuse

Love it, hate it, or don't care? Sheesh, editors. Our reactions don't have to reside at the poles of our emotions. I don't hate any of these moves, and I don't love any of them. But I'm certainly not indifferent.

I guess this is what has become of sports discourse in an ESPN world where the loudest opinion is right.

Boourns, editors. Boourns.

Posted by: JohninMpls | March 1, 2011 10:14 AM | Report abuse

@beforeitstoolate. I am giving the biggest clearest example of how his 60whatever % doesn't mean a whole lot. How about the fact that over the last several games we have had Gordon take faceoffs with Steckel on the wing? Is that a better indication of what his value is as a faceoff guy? As for giving him up for nothing I do believe we got a great locker room leader who has a Cup ring and an OT GWG to win the Cup.

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 1, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

@capsbaby

That was my point....Schulz had an awesome +/- last year and he was a pylon. He is still a pylon this year. Slow and the least physical defenseman we have. So I will hold judgement on Wideman until I actually see him play a few games instead of basing it on his +\- rating

Posted by: hart2014 | March 1, 2011 10:16 AM | Report abuse

new thread

Posted by: icehammer97 | March 1, 2011 10:18 AM | Report abuse

"When he was with Boston he was a + player."

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For two years, and they are the only + years of his career. He was also paired with Chara. When not paired with Chara, he's a -30 player. We don't have a Chara.

Don't get me wrong, I hope he works out. But perspective is important. We got him for "nothing" for a reason. He's better than Sloan, and that's all anyone can reasonably say right now (IMHO).

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 1, 2011 10:20 AM | Report abuse

Most people have said it correctly, you have to see some games first before you can make judgement. VT made a good point as well about BB and his constant shuffling of the lines. With only 20 games left, that doesnt leave a lot of time for chemistry building, especially when your coach hasnt learned the concept of line chemistry in his 3+ years here.

Hopefully Sturm and Arnott can use their veteran experience to assimilate into a line, rather than have to wait for BB to "figure it out".

I also think Majo would better serve the team as our 3C and let Arnott take the 2C role with Sturm/Semin flanking him.

Ovie-Backs-Knuble
Sturm-Arnott-Semin
ChimChim-Majo-Laich
Brads-Gordo-Hendricks

I wouldnt mind seeing Beagle in there (perhaps 4C), but for now I see BB going with Snoopy as the scratch. When Fehr returns, some tough decisions will have to be made. Too bad though, I thought Fehr would have gotten the chance to prove he could take over Knubles spot this year...but he got injured just as he was doing well and that may have cost him his chance.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | March 1, 2011 10:24 AM | Report abuse

@hart >

ha ha. Maybe the poll instead of "love" or "hate" should just say "kool aid" and "goat's blood"...

@SAOTI - I'm still thinking Semin plays on top line now with Sturm and Majo on a secondary scoring/2 way line. I think Arnott will be very useful primarily on the PP.

These trades DEFINITELY helped our PP. That's important - not only for the playoffs but in the run up. Still have a small chance of getting the division crown...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | March 1, 2011 10:30 AM | Report abuse

@hart2014

+/- stat isn't a reflection on how good you are as a player, but your team.. Wideman is a - player this year because of the team he is on. When he was with Boston he was a + player. That stat is pretty over rated.. Its more of a reflection on the team.. Every Capital player is way down in +/- this season. Wideman is a solid top 4 defender and is a RIGHT handed shot.. Ovechkin can get off of the point on the power play now... Learn the game of hockey and not just look at a silly stat

Posted by: CapsBaby | March 1, 2011 10:06 AM | Report abuse

First of all I will start out by saying I am not one that calls for GMGMs head. As far as the +/- stat, it is a relative stat. You cannot compare his +/- with the Bs with his +/- with the Panthers. You can however compare him to his current team mates. As it is widely known now he is a -26 this season. The next closest to him is -19. Now, compare him to the defenseman on his team that has the second worst +/-, is -6. Even worse, Dmitry Kulikov is a +7. Please don't finish a statement with "learn the game" because I have coached for over a decade and my coaches and I use the +/- to shuffle and eventually settle on lines all the time. It's only a meaningless stat if it is convenient to ignore. When movement of high level hockey players is discussed the experts always refer to Goal, Assists, and plus/minus. Especially when talking about centers and defensemen.

Posted by: fanohock1 | March 1, 2011 10:39 AM | Report abuse

There are reasons they have the deadline with games left to play. They have plenty of time to play, practice and tweek. Might even win a few along the way. Top in division is not out of reach. That is why they play the games.

Opinions are like rear ends. Most stink!!!

Let's Go Caps - Time to turn it up a notch.

Posted by: ballgame21 | March 1, 2011 11:10 AM | Report abuse

Thats scary to see so many kool-aid drinkers on this board, especially about one of the worst plus/minuses guy in the league. was your kool-aid extra kool this morning? pathetic!

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Ok, I for one vote to end the over-use of the "Kool-Aid" phrase until the new players play 10+ games with the team. cstanton and I and many others agreed after the Sturm pick-up AND the trades yesterday to wait until they play together before we revisit this.

beforeitstoolate...you are just a bandwagoner. Jumping on the NEgative train to spew your dislike of everything McPhee, BB, or whatever. We aren't "drinking your Kool-Aid". Stop offering it up until we have some game samples as a reference.

Please. Can I get an Amen?

Posted by: capsfan0837 | March 1, 2011 11:39 AM | Report abuse

Assimilating three new players (even veterans) into a lineup will take time. Fortunately, the Caps are playing two fairly weak team at home this week to work some of the kinks out. Florida pretty much fire saled most of its team and should be going through some of the same issues this weekend with callups. Hopefully, by Monday of next week we'll have a pretty good idea of which lines Arnott and Sturm will play on.

I'm not sure why people are pushing Laich down to the third line. He and Knuble seem to work well together and were clicking on Saturday night. Arnott would be a nice addition to that line. Having MoJo skate on the same line with Chimera would provide some speed and energy.

Posted by: wizfan89 | March 1, 2011 11:43 AM | Report abuse

the poll opitions could easily have been:
Kool-Aider
Goat Blood Drinker
Fence Sitter

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | March 1, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

beforeitstoolate has left the building...for 3rd period. His junior high called his home and asked his parents why he didn't show up this morning. Carry on with the adult conversation.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | March 1, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

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