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Johnson Says He's '100 Percent,' Wants to Stay

I just got off the phone with Brent Johnson, who told me he had just gotten off the golf course with Jose Theodore and assistant coach Dean Evason.

Johnson said he's "100 percent" recovered from the hip surgery that ended his season back in February. He also expressed his desire to remain with the Caps and confirmed that his agent, Pat Brisson, has been exchanging proposals with Don Fishman, Washington's attorney/capologist.

But Johnson's fully aware that things may not work out here. Theodore and prospects Simeon Varlamov and Michal Neuvirth all have contracts. Johnson, of course, does not. And the way I see it, unless the Caps move Theodore, it's unlikely Johnson will have a spot in Washington next winter.

Johnson's situation, however, could have some closure soon. He'll become an unrestricted free agent on July 1, and given the way he played before the injury (he was 12-6-2 with a .908 save percentage and 2.81 goals against average), the 32-year-old should have little trouble finding employment.

"It's simple: I definitely want to be here," Johnson said. "I love all the guys. My wife and I are fantastic here. It's a tough situation. I don't know what's going to happen. But I will wait and see. Everything is up in the air and when it comes back down, we'll see where it lands."

For the record, Johnson said he and Theodore each shot an 86 at Old Hickory golf course in Woodbridge, while Evason fired a 75.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  June 12, 2009; 5:27 PM ET
 
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Comments

My vote goes to Varly and Johnny. Hope they can find a taker for Theo. But,how likely is that?

Posted by: ridgely1 | June 12, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

@ridgely1

I agree 100% with your vote. I'm wondering if they can waive Theo to the AHL...

Posted by: holliden | June 12, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

A few thoughts:

1) The space occupied by the entire Stanley Cup (not just the bowl at its summit) is insufficient to contain Crysby's tears in the event of a DET victory tonight.

2) Calling Crysby "She" is an insult to the female gender.

3) I take back what I said in previous posts about Bill "I Hate Washington" McCreary being barred from reffing another Caps game. He should never be allowed to ref another NHL game. Period.

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 12, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Rhino40-

All valid points :) I can say that I, as a female, have way more balls than Crysby. There should be another, seperate category just for it, the Cindy Crysby.

LETS GO BEARS!
LETS GO RED WINGS!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

Having played golf with both Johnny and Evason (won the opportunity through a Caps Charity auction), I can attest to the fact that Deano is a SICK golfer, and Johnny is a great guy (and not a bad golfer himself). I'd love to see the Caps move Theo so that Johnny can stay, although I think the best role is as a backup to Varly.

Posted by: eastporter | June 12, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Highly unlikely we'll find anyone willing to eat Theo's contract unless we eat one in return. Now, if Kozy does indeed move on that clears room, as would Feds and Brash, so it's all dependent on what they wanna do.

I vote Johnny in '09 to,

Posted by: EricS2 | June 12, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla:

"It"....LOL...ROFL...LMAO...ROTGDFLMMFAO!!! XD

(pauses to catch breath)

Actually, we need something else, because "It" would be an insult to inanimate objects everywhere...

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 12, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

I love Johnny, always thought he was a solid NHL back-up, even had some productive years in St. Louis as a #1. That's why it so tough because I really agree with Tarik that the Caps probably will not have enough room to fit him in. It'll be interesting with Theo next year as the rope on him has tightened ever more so, and he'll be competing with not just Varlamov but Neuvirth as well.

Theodore himself believes that he should be a starting goalie in the NHL. It's going to be a very interesting camp.

Posted by: reesem37 | June 12, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

What brought Theo, Johnny, and Evanson to Woodbridge? Are Johnny and Theo actually spending the summer in the area?

Posted by: Kim-3 | June 12, 2009 7:43 PM | Report abuse

I agree with the first two posters - Varly and Johnny all the way!! Johnny is such a class act on and off the ice and would be a great mentor for both Varly and Neuvirth, a role he seems to like. It would still be a sad day for me to see Theo go, especially at how great he was towards Varly after he replaced him after game 1. Showed a lot of class during the situation and really gained my respect, but someone has to go and I would rather Theo be the one to go. Glad to see Johnny is at 100% - was playing great until the injury.

I'm curious as well at what brought Theo, Johnny and Evanson to the area and whether they are staying down here for the summer.

Posted by: theresa21 | June 12, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

If you're wanting to stream the Bears game on Sportsjuice, you probably ought to go ahead and connect--they're only taking the first 5000 people. (Just found that out when I went to the site.) GO BEARS!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 8:20 PM | Report abuse

Rhino

Hmmmmmm valid point again. I mean there are great "it"s. Like the Stanley Cup and Ovie's fake tooth. Guess we have to find a new pronoun. Or just "ahhhhhwtfwtfomgugjhhpukevomit" would probably be sufficient.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The Bears just scored - Andrew Gordon - to take a 1-0 lead over Manitoba!

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

1-0 Bears!

Posted by: shayem22 | June 12, 2009 8:45 PM | Report abuse

Kyle Wilson gets credited for the Bears goal.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 8:47 PM | Report abuse

Go Bears! Go Wings!

Posted by: TracyMD1 | June 12, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Bears score again - Bourque, 2-0 Bears!!

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Bourque from Wilson! GO BEARS!

Posted by: KurtNYC | June 12, 2009 8:50 PM | Report abuse

Bourque with Hershey's second goal--Wilson with the assist, so a 2-point night for him so far. GO BEARS!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

Bears 2-0!

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

The Gates are opening for the Bears tonight, BTW the Bears annnouncer refers to Osala as the Big O!

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 8:53 PM | Report abuse

MReilly - the Bears announcer is John Walton. He's fantastic. Listen to him every chance you get next season, it's a treat to hear him call games on the radio.

Posted by: KurtNYC | June 12, 2009 8:55 PM | Report abuse

Giroux scores, 3-0!! On the breakaway...

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Breakaway goal for Giroux to make it 3-0 Bears. WOOHOO! GO BEARS!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 8:58 PM | Report abuse

Bears are now going on the PP...the Moose are in serious trouble...

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 9:02 PM | Report abuse

Johnson is such a classy player! One of the finest on the Caps that holds great character. Just like his granddaddy!

Posted by: hockeytownUSA | June 12, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

No......

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Pens score early in the 2nd.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

The Bears hold a 3-0 lead at the end of the first period against the Moose and will have about 1:50 remaining on a PP when the 2nd period starts. They have a 15-7 advatage on shots on goal.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Please tell me I'm just dreaming. Talbot just scored his second goal for the Flightless Foul. Nooooooooooooo! COME ON, WINGS!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

I'm afraid I've jinxed the Wings. Sorry guys. It looks the Caps were the last best hope to have stopped the Pens.

The Wings seem to have no offense whatsoever. I hope we don't see several years in a row of Pens championships. Please, God, no.

(Yes, I know I'm being hysterical but I hate the Pens that much. And all they stand for.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

And to think that history was on the Wings' side. No team I root for everrepeats as World Champs.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

JUST THINK! If WAS. had a hockey team they might have had a chance to win the Cup!!!! LOL Take that Pen bashers! LOLLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL lolololololo

Posted by: StanleyCup1907 | June 12, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Bears are now going back on the PP about 6 minutes into the 2nd, still 3-0 Bears.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 9:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm just kind of pretending the bears game is the only one on. I can't deal with the thought of Cindy getting the cups.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 9:40 PM | Report abuse

I see a certain troll is back. He's showing his true colors -- as a Pens Fan. Typical.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 9:42 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75,

that's what you get when you root againt and hate instead of cheer for your team.

If the Pens win the Cup tonight, it's a toss up between the Wings and the Caps on which team gave them the fiercest competition in this year's playoffs.

A bounce or two in Caps' favor and they may well be the ones holding Lord Stanley's Cup. They're clearly in the top 3 or 4 teams in the NHL and I'm very optimistic that the Caps will win the Cup in a year or two. You have to remember when the Caps did go to the finals in 1998, that team was made up of a bunch of old guys who were put together for that year's run in the playoffs only. I've followed the Caps for a quarter century and this is by far the most promising team I've ever seen.

They just have to get over the hurdle called the Pittsburgh Penguins.

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 9:44 PM | Report abuse

#$%@!

Posted by: reesem37 | June 12, 2009 9:47 PM | Report abuse

The Moose just scored during a delayed penalty call, a goal by Bliznak. Score is now 3-1 Bears about midway through the 2nd period.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Well it isn't over and I refuse to give up hope, but a great season again from the Wings.

I definitely see the Caps hoisting Lord Stanley in a couple years.

Posted by: hockeytownUSA | June 12, 2009 9:54 PM | Report abuse

joek443 is right about the Caps having the opportunity to beat the Penguins; during the series everybody was so focused on Ovechkin vs. Crosby that they forgot those were two of the best teams in hockey meeting too early in the playoffs.

A couple of lucky bounces could have changed history.

But so could a couple of skillful moves by our GM. Instead, he did nothing at the deadline.

I have to wonder about Bill Guerin. With him, the Penguins barely had enough to beat the Caps. Without him, who knows? And McPhee had a chance to bring in Guerin at the deadline. Even if it wouldn't have done much for Washington, it would have at least prevented the Penguins from stabilizing themselves. They weren't far from missing the playoffs at that point.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

It looks GOOD for the Bears. They are up 3-1 after the 2nd period and playing well tonight.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

I wouldn't rag on McPhee. This team is building into a strong franchise. They've built dangerous offensive lines and now the defense is coming together. Remember you have Alzner, Carlson, Finley and Lepisto. Most likely Alzner and Carlson will become excellent defenders and when you put them with Green, a big Jurcina. Then you have Pothier and Poti

Posted by: hockeytownUSA | June 12, 2009 10:04 PM | Report abuse

@hockeytownUSA I am fully capable of typing the names of the people on the Capitals' roster.

That's beside the point.

At the deadline the Caps did nothing.

At the deadline Pittsburgh did things.

Pittsburgh is 16 minutes away from winning the Stanley Cup.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Who knew the Wings were completely incapable of getting the puck in the net? And this is the team that beat the Pens 5-0? I'm now ignoring this game. The league must have given the Wing the same "steroids" that were sold to the Nats.

Do you think Bettman will let any team win next year if this continues how its going? He can't pull off this big of a scam twice, right?

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

@MReilly9 (and others)

At least things are good on the Hershey Bears' front.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 10:17 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla

Don't blame you.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 10:19 PM | Report abuse

What would the Caps have had to give up for Guerin, I wonder?

How many of the Pens unrestricted free agents will they be able to keep?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 10:21 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75

Pittsburgh gave the Islanders a THIRD-ROUND DRAFT PICK.

Would you have been willing to give up a THIRD-ROUND DRAFT PICK to be watching the Caps play tonight?

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:27 PM | Report abuse

The problem with the Caps getting Guerin was cap room, the Caps had no room to fit his salary under the cap (unless they traded Nylander) and they tried very hard to do this but found no buyers.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 10:30 PM | Report abuse

@MReilly9

Pittsburgh got it done and the Caps didn't.

At one point this season Tarik decided it was important enough to write an article about the brilliance of the Caps salary cap guy. If they couldn't finagle something in that situation than I guess he's not that brilliant.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:34 PM | Report abuse

God this is painful to watch. This should be the Caps. They were good enough.

You know what -- screw Marian Hossa.

I hate the Penguins more than anything, but if you're going to pull a move like he did you better back it up. Did he even score any goals in the final series?

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

I am just here to say congratulations to Sergei Gonchar. You deserve a Cup.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

I recall that Geurin is VERY expensive.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 10:42 PM | Report abuse

This is the first time since I started watching hockey in 88-89 that I am not watching the post-game festivities. F the Pens.

Is Brad Stuart on the Pens' payroll, cuz he pretty much single-handedly gave this game away for the Red Wings?!

Posted by: alpca3877 | June 12, 2009 10:43 PM | Report abuse

Congrats to Malkin as well.

Rightfully the Conn Symth winner.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

The countdown is now on for the Bears...about 5 minutes to go...still 3-1 Bears...

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 keep telling yourself that as you watch Sydney Crosby hold the Stanley Cup over his head.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:44 PM | Report abuse

And look who he hands it to first. Bill Guerin.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

It's only Geurin's second cup, and its not like he led the NJ in 95.

Geurin didnt win the Cup, Stuart didnt win it either. The Pens won it because they straight out played the Wings.


Again, I am glad to see Gonchar hoist a Cup.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 10:46 PM | Report abuse

@Oneal

That is BS. Gonchar or Satan definetely deserved to hoist it before Geurin. They waited the longest.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I would agree that Gonchar probably should have been the first person he handed it to.

But Crosby realizes that it would not have happened without Guerin. I'll say that again. It would not have happened without Guerin.

This could have been prevented at the trade deadline.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:50 PM | Report abuse

i dont know how you guys can watch crosby with the cup...just can't do it.

Posted by: reesem37 | June 12, 2009 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Really hate that the Pens won. A lot to say but I will refrain.

Posted by: FusilliJerry1 | June 12, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

It is over - the Bears are Calder Cup Champions again for the 10 time (third time as the Caps top AHL affiliate). 4-1 final. I expect that about 4-5 of these Bears should be full-time Caps in about 2 years.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

AND THE BEARS WIN THE CALDER CUP!!!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 10:53 PM | Report abuse

Who cares? It happened, and with Guerin. Downplaying the significance of Malkin and Crosby is just dumb. 30+/30+;. I hate the Pens as much as any self-respecting Caps fan, but the better team won. Plain and simple.

No use talking about what ifs.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 10:54 PM | Report abuse

BEARS WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!! this announcer is going crazy!!!!!!!!!!

Wait, there was another game on time? What?

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 10:55 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

The better team did win. But there is there is a use in talking about what ifs.

The use, is to try and prevent mistakes from happening again.

McPhee thought the team was good enough, so he stood pat.

The team was not good enough. Next season hopefully he will learn from this, and never stop trying to make the team better.

Tonight the chickens came home to roost. It's up to McPhee to make sure we don't have to watch this crap again.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:58 PM | Report abuse

Neuvirth is MVP!

Posted by: KurtNYC | June 12, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

As for the SC game, I stopped watching it when Talbot scored his second goal. I haven't seen any of the postgame, and I'll be boycotting ESPN for the next couple of days too--just don't want to see the "highlights." That said, the Bears and Stingrays winning their Cups takes some of the sting out of how the Caps season ended; just reaffirms that we have some real talent in the pipeline and quite a bit to look forward to. BTW, Neuvirth has been awarded the MVP award--well done, Neuvy!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 10:59 PM | Report abuse

Can we make a petition for CI to only have coverage of the Bears win??

Seriously. It would be great to come here and not see a picture of the game and players we shall not speak of.

Posted by: mrszilla | June 12, 2009 11:02 PM | Report abuse

Bill Guerin wouldn't have helped the Caps, he's a WINGER which is the Caps have plenty of. Also I happen to think Guerin is vastly over-rated as a player, there's a reason why he can't seem to stay with the same team for more than 2 years.

The Caps need the Rob Scuderis, the Mark Eatons and the Brooks Orpiks. The hit that Orpik made on Datsyuk in the third period tonight was awesome.

I also would like to congratulate Sergei Gonchar whom the Caps NEVER have let go. This might change as Mike Green develops as a complete defenseman but Gonchar remains as the best first round defenseman draft pick of the last 15 years and could very well be another hall of fame defenseman who ends his career with another team such as Larry Murphy and Scott Stevens.

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

Hope I don't have to watch 10 million commercials of Sissy next season...I don't think I could take it. I'll boycott Center Ice next season if every commercial is Crysby.
Yay Bears!!! That was a well earned win.
Penguins won with NHL's assistance. What a joke.

Posted by: TracyMD1 | June 12, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

I thought Gonchar wanted to leave the Caps when they began this round of rebuilding.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

It was great to see the families of some of the Bears on the ice for the presentation of the Calder Cup trophy.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 12, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Is that a serious post?

Guerin was 10th in the league in playoff scoring this season.

He was exactly what the Penguins needed, and the Caps could have prevented them from getting it. I'm pretty sure he would have scored more than Eric Fehr as well.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 11:07 PM | Report abuse

McPhee thought the team was good enough, so he stood pat.

The team was not good enough. Next season hopefully he will learn from this, and never stop trying to make the team better.

Tonight the chickens came home to roost. It's up to McPhee to make sure we don't have to watch this crap again.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:58 PM |

Ah come on. You don't believe that hoopla do you? Nylander to Islanders was very close to happening as guys closer to the Caps said. It fell through at the very end. Do you honestly accept that GMGM did not try fervently to move Nylander's contract? He said that after he realized that he couldn't make any worthwhile trades.

Many teams have won the Cup without make moves. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Like I said, there is no way to predict how things will turn out. And honestly, as much credit as you want to give Guerin, I don't even by that. Dan Bylsma is the reason the Pens won the Cup.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Yes, the scenario we all dreaded has come to pass. Pens as World Champs! And we'll hear no end to how great Crosby and Malkin are.

At least the Bears won! Sorry I jinxed the Red Wings.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75,

I'm not sure but I don't believe the Caps made much of an offer to Gonchar. Those were the years that I would like to forget but if I remember right, the Caps were in the mood to get rid of all their good players and start over.

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Also, lol Hossa.

@joek

We didn't let Gonchar go, we wanted him to stay but he dipped out. Nothing we could do.

Glad to see him win a Cup though.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 11:10 PM | Report abuse

TheRealOneal,

YES it is a serious post. The Caps didn't have any problem SCORING. Their problem is DEFENSE, get it??

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla

I'm with you. Tonight, let's just enjoy the Bears win.

Posted by: wocoliz | June 12, 2009 11:11 PM | Report abuse

Can I tell you all how hilarious John Walton is when's he excited? Didn't make sense to buy the game, so I'm beyond excited for video of the Bears win to be posted. Congrats to our boys!

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 12, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

No, we specifically asked Gonchar to stay for the rebuild. He didn't want to, so we let him go.

Who did we get for him? Some picks..I think ShaMo and the pick for Green maybe?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 11:12 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil,

wanting him to stay and actually WANTING him to stay are two different things. what kind of an offer did the Caps make to Gonchar compared to the one he got from the Pens?

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

AHL: Woohoo! Go Bears!!!

NHL: Dammit!

Posted by: BigRed8 | June 12, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

Hahaha! ONE and SEVEN and Malkin will GLADLY take the Conn Smythe MVP trophy and the Stanley Cup over the regular season MVP.

Enjoy your Southeast Division Championship - Crosby and Malkin have the Eastern Conference and Stanley Cup!

What does Ovechkin have in the playoffs? NOTHING!!! Enjoy your Junior Varsity championship with the Bears!

Posted by: malkinshockeyskates | June 12, 2009 11:14 PM | Report abuse

Oh, you mean when he was a UFA?

I was referring to when we traded him to Boston. We asked him to stay through our rebuild, but he wanted to go. I have no idea if we offered him anything in the later year, but we have Green, I don't see Gonchar being the potential piece we are missing. Now if you want to talk sbout Scuderi and Eaton....

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 11:16 PM | Report abuse

Deano shot 75? What a beast.

Posted by: wis193 | June 12, 2009 11:17 PM | Report abuse

"Do you think Bettman will let any team win next year if this continues how its going? He can't pull off this big of a scam twice, right?"

Bettman is no Bernie Madoff.

Posted by: wis193 | June 12, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if you guys paid attention to the post game ceremony but Crosby never got in line to shake hands until 95 percent of the wings were already through the line and off the ice. Just in time to shake babcocks hand. He was in the background the whole time with the pens that had already gone through the line. Garbage. But the pens played well and won. We will get the job done next year, no doubt in my mind.

Posted by: ThePat | June 12, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

right, I forgot he was first traded to the Bruins during the purge.

it's funny how both he and Murphy both ended up in pittsburgh and won their first Cup. Two of the most under-appreciated Caps defensemen ever.

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:20 PM | Report abuse

Ovechkin's Cup will come eventually. He needs the right people around him to make it click.

I mean, lets face it guys. Malkin and Crosby were going to get a Cup eventually.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 11:22 PM | Report abuse

So is Hossa going to take a paycut to play with the Pens next year?

LOL.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 12, 2009 11:23 PM | Report abuse

ThePat,

let it go, man.. why do you wannna sound so petty? they won the Cup and they deserve it, winning two Game 7's on the road.

you wanna talk about a poor sportman, none worse than Billy Smith of the Islanders who DID refuse to shake hands when the Caps finally beat him in the playoffs.

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:25 PM | Report abuse

joek443, yet another Stanley Cup championship decided by the NHL front office (bettman, Campbell, et all) Started with Lightning, Hurricanes, Ducks and continues with the Pens this year. It is more evidnet thi syear then any other year that the Pens were the NHL's "darlings" from game one of the playoffs. Gift penalties left and right and non calls against them all postseason. BETTMAN HAS GOT TO GO. JWASH4472 for commissioner.

Posted by: jwash4472 | June 12, 2009 11:26 PM | Report abuse

SC1907 is a Sens fan, so he/she said before.
Truly sad.
Dumb $#!+ is on this blog, bad mouthing the Caps and cheering on the Pens.

This is what you are about?
Again, truly sad.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | June 12, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

@joe
Not sounding petty. Good for the pens they won and deserved it but he should be in lne shaking hands like the rest of the team did. It's called sportsmanship and respect. You learn those things at the age of 5. Win and lose with class, it's a life lesson. He has plenty of time to have fun and enjoy the moment.

Posted by: ThePat | June 12, 2009 11:30 PM | Report abuse

jwash4472,

people like you bore the hell outta me. anyone who believes that garbage is a LOSER, period!!

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

ThePat,

I don't know what the circumstances were as far as Crosby not shaking hands but his team did just win the Cup, didn't he? so why would he be upset about anything??

maybe he was pre-occupied with something else, I don't know but I would give him the benefit of the doubt on that one. Now if the Pens lost the series and he refused to shake hands then you would have an argument.

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:35 PM | Report abuse

@joek443

Are you a Pens fan?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Hossa was a fool!

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 12, 2009 11:45 PM | Report abuse

Thank God Crybaby wasn't the hero. I feel bad for Detroit. They had an off night!!!
Hockey is over for the season atleast the Bears are hoisting the Calder!

Posted by: psugolf | June 12, 2009 11:46 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

The Caps traded Gonchar for Mo a 1st and 2nd. Those two picks turned into Jeff Schultz and Mikhail Yunkov.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 12, 2009 11:47 PM | Report abuse

You guys will NEVER EVER win the cup with the likes of OV and Semin!!!!!EVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL....its going to be a long summer Cup wantabe's

Posted by: StanleyCup1907 | June 12, 2009 11:48 PM | Report abuse

Why are Pens fans coming on a Caps blog to gloat? I surely wouldn't be on a Pens blog if the Caps won...heck I wouldn't be on the internet if the Caps won.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 12, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75,

no, I'm not a Pens fan. Just because I don't believe Sidney Crosby is Satan himself like you apparently do, doesn't make me a Pens fan.

I don't believe in rooting against the Pens or any other team, I just cheer for the Caps. And I don't believe that players on other teams are bums and scums.. get it?

How would you like to have Rob Scuderi on the Caps next year? would you refuse to cheer for the guy because he playef for the Pens even though he's exactly what the Caps desperately need to win the Cup??

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

well freak we wont have to worry about that now do we ....LOL

Posted by: StanleyCup1907 | June 12, 2009 11:50 PM | Report abuse

you guys keeps taking your drugs in the off season....LOL cheaters!!! and it still doesnt help

Posted by: StanleyCup1907 | June 12, 2009 11:53 PM | Report abuse

StanleyCup1907,

your team may have just won another Cup but at least the Caps never were in bankruptsy like your team and never had trouble paying the players. Remember how Mario Lemieux came to own your team?? because Howard Baldwin couldn't pay him!!!

if you guys are such good fans, why did it ever come to that??

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:54 PM | Report abuse

cheaters

Posted by: StanleyCup1907 | June 12, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

start peeing in the bottle boys

Posted by: StanleyCup1907 | June 12, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Stanley,

Eat $chitt and die.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | June 12, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

you know you gonna need another bailout very soon, don't you

Posted by: joek443 | June 12, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

don't matter how many stanley cups you win, you still can't support your team. what other team that has won the cup since 1990 was ever in bankruptsy??

Posted by: joek443 | June 13, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

Whatever gets your rocks off SC1907. I guess I just don't understand the concept of running onto another teams fansite when one of my favorite teams wins their league championship.

The computer would be the last thing on my mind...which is why I am guessing you are in the range of 15 years old and don't have a date or friends to hang out and watch the game with.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:02 AM | Report abuse

So, we won the Calder Cup. Congratulations to the Hershey Bears. I thought I saw that's the 10th time they have won it. How come that hasn't translated to better success for us in the NHL?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | June 13, 2009 12:03 AM | Report abuse

@joek443

Hold your tongue on that one. Tampa is in realy bad financial straights.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:04 AM | Report abuse

@FloridaCapsFan

Hershey has only been the Caps affiliate for the past several seasons (3 finals and 2 championships). Before that it was the Portland Pirates/Baltimore Skipjacks. I believe it was the early 80s the last time the Caps were affiliated with the Bears.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:07 AM | Report abuse

freakinandpeakin,

yeah but they're not in bankruptsy and never had trouble paying their players as far as I know... is Lacavalier gonna own the team in a couple years becuase they can't pay him??

Posted by: joek443 | June 13, 2009 12:08 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Hershey Bears! Especially to Neuvy!

I turned off the TV after the game. I didn't want to watch Crosby hold the Cup. This really sucks.

(I wonder if they're cheering in Kansas City?)

Posted by: Cerealman | June 13, 2009 12:09 AM | Report abuse

freakin,

I see, thanks.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | June 13, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

@Cerealman: LOL!

Posted by: wocoliz | June 13, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

freakinandpeakin,

I don't believe so.. if my memory serves, in the 1980's the Caps shared the Binghamton Rangers with the NY Rangers. Hershey was affiliated with the Flyers when I started following hockey in the early 80's.

Posted by: joek443 | June 13, 2009 12:10 AM | Report abuse

joek443,

There are stories floating around that the Lightning are poised to be the next Coyotes...or actually already may be, but the league is hiding that situation just like they did the Coyotes situation.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

@joek443

I normally spend more time cheering my team than hating other teams but this group of Penguins is truly a bunch of jerks. I was saying it all year and would be saying it even if the Caps had beaten them.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 12:11 AM | Report abuse

Going off of the Bears Wiki site the Caps re-teamed with the Bears in 2005 after a 21 year seperation. During that separation the Bears were affiliated with the Flyers, Bruins and most recently the Avs.

So the Caps split in the early 80s (1984?), when they became affiliated with the Baltimore Skipjacks who became the Portland Pirates.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:14 AM | Report abuse

FloridaCapsFan: re: your 11:58 post to stanley --
Words cannot fully express how wholeheartedly I embrace your valid sentiment.

Posted by: uncatim | June 13, 2009 12:16 AM | Report abuse

freakinandpeakin,

okay got you.. but the Pens have been around since before the Caps and have more roots than the Lightening. I know the Islanders are in a lot of trouble as well but the Pens are a disgrace as far as the fan support. it makes you wonder how they can afford to travel with the team as much as they do.. LOL they have won 3 Cups since 1990, only a couple other teams have won more than they have since that period.

They almost went bankrupt before they drafted Mario Lemieux in 1984.. just imagine where they'd be right now had the Devils lost the last game of that season and got the chance to draft Super Mario instead of the Pens

Posted by: joek443 | June 13, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

joek443

It was actually the Binghamton Whalers. They became the Binghamton Rangers in 1990 and are now the Hartford Wolfpack.

Looking at the Skipjacks history, Terry Murray became coach in 1988, so perhaps between the Bears (1984)and Skipjacks (1988) affiliations was the Binghamton Whalers affiliation.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

After I lost the sportsjuice feed of John Walton audio, I found a free live tv feed of the Bears game on a Winnipeg channel. They weren't such obvious homers during the game & were very complimentary of the Bears & Bears fans after the game.

Posted by: uncatim | June 13, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

The Islanders situation is more eff'd up that them all. The owner wants to keep the team on the Island.

The Coliseum is the worst arena I have ever been to and there is literally nothing around it except one hotel. Getting to and from the arena is a pain if you go out from NYC. The Isles owner wants to do a whole development project around a new arena called the Lighthouse that would include stores and restaurants and the local government is blocking it. If the team moves it is on the government and not on the owner, Charles Wang.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | June 13, 2009 12:29 AM | Report abuse

I hope Rachel sees this. Michal Neuvirth is the MVP of the playoffs!
Now... to wait until its time for Bear Force One to arrive at HIA...

Too bad about the Wings. This is literally from my phone call between myself and a friend of mine.
Me: "I've got good news, bad news, and even more good news."
Her: "What?"
Me: "The Red Wings didn't win the Stanley."
Her: "Wow, that's a first. Bad news?"
Me: "Cindy's Pens won it."
Her: "D*mn!" (She's a Flyers fan) "What's your last bit of good news?"
Me: "Number ten!"
Her: "Bears won?!"
Me: "Well, duh!"

Posted by: 4RBears | June 13, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

There is no God....:-(

Posted by: Rhino40 | June 13, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Congrats to the Bears that's great to hear and superb job by Neuvy!

Hate to see the Pens win it, although I will admit the irony and humor in Hossa having to watch the Pens celebrate winning the Cup. Detroit couldn't buy a bounce tonight I thought they dominated the 3rd in such a way that they might tie it up but it was just fate I guess. We couldn't buy a bounce at times in our series with them but give it to the Penguins they worked their butts off and did everything they had to do.

That's where our guys need to get to next year.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | June 13, 2009 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Pens don't win that Cup without Guerin, and they might not have even made the playoffs.

That's a tough pill to swallow.

Good night all..

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 13, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

From Capitals Kremlin: "The future sure is sweet for Capitals fans, but perhaps this tweet will bring another smile to your face.

"sweetestofdekes: Bourque is riding around on Amadio's shoulders."" lmao

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 13, 2009 12:56 AM | Report abuse

if you had a choice the bears lose the series and detroit beat cindy and the pens? I would have picked the bears winning the calder. Our turn is coming up shortly. we will win a few in the next 10 years.

Posted by: samb99 | June 13, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

CapsFan75,

I don't know how you know that they are "jerks", do you know them personally??

anyway I do have to make one correction. there's one team that I do hate and it's the Flyers. when I started following the Caps, they were the biggest rival and I have never like the style of hockey they play.

You wanna talk about a dirty team and it's the Flyers, not the Pens. Bobby Clarke was a dirty player in many people's eye and he's been the GM of the Flyers forever.

Posted by: joek443 | June 13, 2009 1:00 AM | Report abuse

Interesting fact:

The Penguins were an amazing 7-1 during the playoffs this year when Bill McCreary was an official. They had lost two other times when McCreary was the stand by official. There's a good conspiracy starter.

Bill McCreary's Penguins Playoff Schedule:

Game 2 ECQF
Game 5 ECSF
Game 7 ECSF
Game 3 ECF
Game 1 SCF (Stand By)
Game 2 SCF (Loss)
Game 4 SCF
Game 5 SCF (Stand By)
Game 6 SCF
Game 7 SCF

Coincidence or a Crosby Cup Conspiracy?

Posted by: Osfan092589 | June 13, 2009 1:44 AM | Report abuse

What a sad ending of the season--watching Crosby hoist the Cup! But at least, the Pens "got it over with," and then it's our turn. The chances are way slim that they will repeat it next year. And maybe we learned some lessons about what it takes to get to the end. Look at the goal-tending, for example. Fleury was not spectacular. In fact Varly beat him in all categories except wins. But he is solid and consistent. And he really comes through when they need him most.

Posted by: caraveli | June 13, 2009 1:53 AM | Report abuse

Crosby sat out half the 2nd period and all of the 3rd was in SO much pain and then they win he goes and lifts the Cup and jumps up and down like nothing was wrong.

He officially is the biggest pu$$y and biggest Biaaaaatch in the League. Not that he wasnt before. Malkin is up there too, but he is more of a pu$$y, but he deserved playoff MVP.

BUt we all know who is going to win the regular season MVP.

Also when everyone was shaking hands, who else noticed Babcock say to Crosby "you showed good leadership there"

A little shot maybe...

Posted by: mikejc80 | June 13, 2009 2:13 AM | Report abuse

Also, good job Pittsburgh all that SUCKING paid off

2003: 1st overall MAF
2004: 2nd overall Malkin
2005: 1st overall Cry Baby
2006: 2nd overall Staal

And the 05 lottery was rigged and a freaking stupid because the Caps ended up picking 14th and Pens still got a top 3 pick. How does washington get the lowest odds and Pittsburgh, after picking 2nd still get good odds at the 1st pick. Oh I know because Mario wanted Cry Baby because the Pens were going Bankrupt.

Caps should have had a top pick in that draft and we would have probably had a better player than Sasha freaking Pokoluk.

Posted by: mikejc80 | June 13, 2009 2:19 AM | Report abuse

You know, Im really not sad that the Pens won. They went in to arguably the most difficult atmosphere in hockey (Joe Louis, game seven, SC finals, failing the year before) and won a tight game. They lost their captain, and still made it out with the cup. Congrats to them.

What I am sad about, however, is that for the next 6 months we will hear nothing from hockey talking heads but how great the two big name players on the Pens are. They owe everything to Fleury and Talbot, but we won't hear that. We'll just hear about how great their stars are, and the "argument" of who is the best player in Hockey will be muted by the "well, he doesnt have a cup does he?" argument. Its disheartening that everyone will avoid giving credit where credit is due and just heap more praise on those who already have enough.

Until then, I retreat to the woods for the summer, celebrating a Calder cup win. @malkinsiceskates if you dont think the Calder means something, you're an idiot. I would encourage you to look at this team, the one you whose message board you so happily ran to when your home town team won, instead of, you know, actually celebrating with people. Come back in two years when the same lowly "junior varsity players" who just took home the AHL championship are helping lead this team very deep into the playoffs of the NHL. Success on any level begets success on EVERY level. The current crop of Capitals knows that, and it will only get better with another set of well developed, experienced players coming up from Hershey.

The future is bright friends, don't let the banter bother you.

CAPS CAPS CAPS!

Posted by: ngraham1 | June 13, 2009 3:38 AM | Report abuse

lol! It's so funny how all the loser Pens fans come on here after they win the Stanley Cup! And SC saying Caps will never win. So lame. SC hasn't been on here since forever and then pops up when the Pens win the Cup.

4RBears: Yes, I did hear when Neuvy got the MVP, I thought Alexandre Giroux would get it but I was so happy when I heard that, I cheered out loud for Neuvy. :) Congrats to the Bears and Neuvy!

Posted by: rachel216 | June 13, 2009 6:14 AM | Report abuse

Last night was the first time in years I didn't watch the Cup ceremony. I was gonna, just because it's the Cup, and then I thought of Cindy raising it and all of a sudden it felt like I was about to return my dinner for a refund. I still haven't seen any video or picture of any Penguin touching the Cup and if I ever do, it will be by accident. Does this make me childish or is this normal behavior? Sigh...how long till October?

Posted by: JS26121820 | June 13, 2009 7:13 AM | Report abuse

I'm both happy and heartsick. I didn't hate the Pens until the postseason this year - now I do, and it's more because of all the gifts they got from the league in the postseason this year. Crosby is a good hockey player, but I don't think much of his character or personality and I don't think he's really a man - too much whining and crying to the refs, too much acting, too much crap.

And for those of you saying they earned it - I'm not convinced of that. Remember - once is chance, twice is coincidence, but three times is enemy action. The Pens had a lot of lucky bounces and gift calls (and non-calls) in all of their series this year. I seriously think that Bettman wanted Crosby to have a Cup, because he's the league's golden boy.

Ah well. What's done is done. Too bad their fans will be absolutely insufferable.

Oh, and if you want to talk about Sid vs. Ovi? Pull out the stats from their series and hold the discussion based on that, not on who's got a Cup, because a Cup is a team effort. Crosby was largely silent in the finals.

As others have said, Bettman's boy now has a Cup. Hopefully he's happy. Our turn is coming, and sooner than some people think - when both of your minor league affiliates win their respective Cups, you know there's something good coming up.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 13, 2009 7:26 AM | Report abuse

Funny thought that I'm stealing from a friend. Think of it this way: Varly over in Russia listening to the Bears' game, thinking "Oh my god, First I had Theo, now Brent Johnson's signing, AND I have Neuvy to contend with now?!"
Training camp this year... I might have to beg someone to take me down there to watch, even though I'll still have school and its a pretty annoying drive to get there sometimes.
Bears training camp will also be fun. Something tells me that Giroux won't be coming back this year (good shot Aucoin will though) and there's the case of Andrew Gordon... I see him being promoted next year. Andrew Joudrey I'd like to see with the Caps even though he's not that big and he doesn't score a lot... pair him up on the PK with Lainger and you've got a pretty darn good PK.

Posted by: 4RBears | June 13, 2009 9:23 AM | Report abuse

Congratulations, NHL, you did it! You got Crosby the championship you always wanted him to have! Good thing you didn't suspend Malkin because he was MVP! Man, I bet you couldn't be happier Gary.

Posted by: oo7 | June 13, 2009 9:38 AM | Report abuse

The NHL has a severe credibility problem. Pittsburgh was, in fact, given that Cup by the NHL all wrapped and with a bow. Rigged drafts, strange scheduling "quirks" that all work out in Pittsburgh's favor, extemely biased officiating (plain enough to make even Joe B. see the light), all to facilitate the NHL's marketing goals of getting a picture of Crosby holding the Cup that they can now cram down everyone's throats even more (hopefully with Saint Mario in the background). Even now, the league doesn't get that it is a flawed strategy because Crosby is not Michael Jordan (which is what the NHL's strategy is modeled on). Crosby is not nearly the dominant player Jordan was and never will be. And he is a diva, a cheap shot artist and, let's face it, a guy with NO personality or charisma whatsoever. And where are the Caps while this fraud is perpetuated on the fan? Where is the Post's investigation of this?

Posted by: dcsportsdude | June 13, 2009 9:43 AM | Report abuse

Good point oo7. I forgot to mention the Malkin nonsuspension. And the Caps and the Post sit quietly by?

Posted by: dcsportsdude | June 13, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

Full props to Marc-Andre Fleury for his play in this series.

Game 7 - 23/24 (.958)
Game 6 - 25/26 (.961)
Game 5 - 24/29 (.827)
Game 4 - 37/39 (.948)
Game 3 - 27/29 (.931)
Game 2 - 23/26 (.884)
Game 1 - 27/30 (.900)

He kept the Penguins in it. I think the officiating was a complete joke, and I agree with Osfan092589 about McCreary. He's a terrible referee, and had he called the Malkin fight correctly instead of being a wuss, A) Malkin would have had a game misconduct for the instigator in the last five minutes. B) Both Malkin -and- Zetterberg would have had game misconducts under the "fight strap" rule. C) Malkin would have been suspended one game for the instigator, and a -SECOND- game for the second game misconduct. I put all of that on McCreary.

I note that Paul Devorksi did his damndest to make it up... that 5-0 loss, the Penguins were in the box 12 times! The whole rest of the series, it was only 18 times! Given the Penguins' regular season... yeah. I'm not even going into the Caps series, because that's just bullshtick.

Posted by: irockthered | June 13, 2009 9:51 AM | Report abuse

@dcsportsdude - Yeah! I agree. I'd love to see the Post investigate this. They brought down a President in the 1970s. They can bring Bettman down now. Go POST!

Posted by: irockthered | June 13, 2009 9:53 AM | Report abuse

Yeah those guys at the Post got nuthin betta to do.

Posted by: bhound69 | June 13, 2009 10:30 AM | Report abuse

I surprised nobody has mentioned that when Orpik dumped the puck in on Talbot's first goal - it should have been icing. Orpik was clearly about 2-3 feet away behind the center line.

Did Stuart hesitation with the puck cause him to turn it over for Talbot's goal???????

Conspiracy?????????????????

At the very least, it shows you need to some good luck & bounces and then the ability to capitalize on these chances to win the cup.

You make the call.

Posted by: puckman | June 13, 2009 10:44 AM | Report abuse

The Caps really can't say anything about it, guys. There are bylaws in the NHL that allow Bettman to fine any player, employee, or team who speaks out or says anything Bettman doesn't like. Sorry, but there it is. They have to keep their mouths shut and pretend to be gracious.

I agree. Winning the Stanley Cup requires both a few lucky bounces and the ability to capitalize on them - I'm of the opinion that we didn't get a lot of lucky bounces and had trouble capitalizing on the ones we did get; I think that's simply a matter of effort, hard work, and getting your nose dirty, which is something I'd like to see the Caps do more of.

Before you freak out, I watch the Calder Cup finals and I see that kind of effort, physicality, hard work, and general @$$kicking that I want to see from the Caps. We've got tons and tons of talent, no doubt about it. What Hershey's got that we don't is that effort, that willingness to drop the hammer and nail the coffin lid down. I don't think we make a whole lot of splash trade moves in the offseason, and I don't think we need to. Maybe one big player, but maybe not even that. If we do find ourselves needing a veteran player for the playoffs, expect to see him at the trade deadline, not in the offseason.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 13, 2009 11:27 AM | Report abuse

...and somehow I lost track of my point in all that. Don't forget that the month when practically half our lineup was Hershey was our best month of the season. I think the talent is there already, and infusing our lineup with chocolate could just provide that missing element of hard work.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 13, 2009 11:30 AM | Report abuse

hey Tarik new topic= BEARS WIN

Posted by: wendel2 | June 13, 2009 11:31 AM | Report abuse

hey Tarik new topic= BEARS WIN

Posted by: wendel2 | June 13, 2009 11:32 AM | Report abuse

I WONDER WHICH IS SILLIER ....conspiracy theory supporters, those that think gmgm was right to stand pat or those who deny the choke happened

Posted by: wendel2 | June 13, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

Wendel2 -I have in my hands a highly classified document from the NHL of the 2008-2009 season plan of events. In it, it states that the NHL wanted to have a rematch of DET -PIT for guaranteed rating bonuses. On page 117, it states that at the trading deadline that the Caps could not make any moves. In doing so would violate their turn to drink from the cup with 3 years. Furthermore, 6 paragraphs later, it states that some of the players need to fake shoulders injuries and to make blind passes while the team is on the change. On page 274, it states that Pronger has to stay in the western division. It explains why Edmonton really traded him to Anaheim.

If anyone wants this report, I'm asking for money equal to what Obama has shelled out to GM (Government Motors). Hey, I'm not greedy, I could ask you to add the amount he shelled out to Chrysler as well.

Posted by: puckman | June 13, 2009 11:55 AM | Report abuse

sorry, my bad, for not proofreading before posting , add "on" after hands; change "of" to "for" after NHL; change "with" to "within" after cup; change "division" to "conference" after western.

I think you get the point anyway :P

Posted by: puckman | June 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Wow, what happened here?

You guys are more upset about the Pens winning then the Caps losing...lol.

FYI, StanleyCup1907 is a Habs/Sens/or Leafs fan. He is basically one of those cookie-cutter canadian trolls. He brings nothing unique or interesting to the troll table. He also said the Sharks were going to win the Cup this year. Carry on with him if you must..


@jmucapsgirl

Who was that second goalie that I always said needed to come back along with DA RAYZOR? Robert Esche...

Well guess what...

http://csnphilly.com/pages/landing_09?Panaccio-Flyers-Contact-Esche-About-Retu=1&blockID=58561&feedID=704


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 12:01 PM | Report abuse

Also, Pascal Dupuis won a Cup riding on the coattails of the Hossa trade.

Even more LOLs.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 12:04 PM | Report abuse

joek443: I don't even know if someone finally set you straight on Gonchar or not. We BEGGED him to stay and be part of the rebuild because we already had young Semin who needed guidance, and the Caps were going to pick a Russian first, Ovechkin or Malkin. He said he wanted to leave, period.

Your question of whether we offered as much as the Pens. That isn't even a valid question. He went to the Bruins at the trade deadline because he wanted to be moved not the Pens. He signed as a FA with the Pens. You should ask the Bruins if they offered as much as the Pens.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

Edmonton is in the West.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

The Pens fans come over here to gloat because the Pens vs the Caps isn't a real rivalry, or is it? The Pens beat the Wings in 7 and the Penalty calls were vitually even. The Pens beat the Caps in 7 with a 31-19 PP advantage and 3 OTs. They know the Caps were good enough to take them and even if they won't admit it, them being here is giving our Caps respect. I'm sure they're not on the 'Canes sites talking about the sweep.

SC1907: Please keep coming here, please. The Caps will win a Cup, and soon. Malkin will leave Pittsburgh when it is time for his big payday, which is right around the corner. He will be asking for Ovi type money, which will be justified, and he will want his own team. It might help the Pens depending on what they get in the blockbuster deal that sends Malkin to ??

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 12:17 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait, I read that wrong. Carry on puckman. :)


@fanohock1

Thank you, I told him that but I don't know if he ever read it.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 12:19 PM | Report abuse

The Pens fans come over here to gloat because the Pens vs the Caps isn't a real rivalry, or is it?

________________________

The irony is strong.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

Via fanohock1:"SC1907: Please keep coming here, please. The Caps will win a Cup, and soon. Malkin will leave Pittsburgh when it is time for his big payday, which is right around the corner. He will be asking for Ovi type money, which will be justified, and he will want his own team. It might help the Pens depending on what they get in the blockbuster deal that sends Malkin to ??"

Right around the corner?
Malkin is signed through 2013/14

Posted by: jp426 | June 13, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

jp426 ....be careful... fanhock is level 3 certified and will go off on u even if your right

Posted by: wendel2 | June 13, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

So by July 1 will Bob Woods be our new defense coach?

Or do we pull from outside the organization?

Posted by: caps28fan | June 13, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

And certain fans do not believe the Penguins are dirty. Exhibit A: Kunitz (former Duck) who kept bothering Varlamov (with no penalty). Exhibit B: Orpik (i.e. Orprick), the slash artist. And Malkin himself was doing his share of dirty plays.

Okay, Philty is dirty. But I think the Pens are giving them a run for the money in that department. I don't like Philty but I rooted for them against the Pens. My dislike of them is that strong. And now we have to hear the hype throughout the off-season and all through next year. Please God, let someone else win the Eastern Conference Final round next year besides the Pens. (If it's any of my hated teams, I'll root for the Western Conference winner.) That being said, I hope the Caps are the EC Conference Final winner next year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

With Crosby and Malkin signed up, how much money can the Pens fork out for their other guys, if the Cap goes down?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

How about acquiring Petr Sikora as a free agent? He scores 25 goals a year and is essentially a spare part for the Pens now. He actually blocks shots (which is how he got hurt vs Detroit.)

Cap Hit: 2.5 million.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

@caps28fan

Not sure if the Caps are leaning towards bringing up Bob Woods to be the new Caps d-coach. The Bears did play good defense (with Alzner, Carlson, Helmer, Lepisto, Sloan, Collins etc.) but I am not sure if it was due to the defensive scheme or players or both).

I would prefer that the Caps bring in someone that has been coaching at the NHL level for awhile and who is more experienced. On the other hand, BB knows Woods well, is very comfortable with him and they would probably be successful together here in Washington. The infusion of Alzner, Carlson maybe Lepisto should also do wonders for the Caps defense.

Posted by: MReilly9 | June 13, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

@stanleycup07, all Penguins fans

this link says it all about our respective teams:

http://tinyurl.com/r865j

(besides, all you won was the Stanley Cup, while we won the coveted Calder Cup...)

aw, but congrats to them anyway, they won it fair and square. The Caps will skate it next year...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | June 13, 2009 2:11 PM | Report abuse

Tonight the chickens came home to roost. It's up to McPhee to make sure we don't have to watch this crap again.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 12, 2009 10:58 PM


This has got to be the most unthought out argument there has been about this Caps team.

How on earth did GMGM lose game 7 at home? How did he lose game 3 or 4 or 6? The Caps lost those games, not GMGM. The Caps didn't shot up for game 7, not GMGM.

The Pen players wanted it more than the Caps did. The Pens worked it while the Caps sat back and expected it to be given to them. Same thing last night with the Wings. They sat back too much and didn't do the net crashing that they did in their crushing 5-0 game.

No GM did anything to lose the cup. The Caps could have won but didn't. The Wings could have won but didn't.

The Caps couldn't get Guerin because we didn't have the space either on the roster or in cap. We would have had to trade someone for him. That's why we couldn't get Pronger. The price was too high.

Both the Wings and the Caps can only blame the players. Both teams had what was needed and neither got the deal done.

Hats off to the Pens.

I'm going to go reatch now.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 13, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@Fanohock- Yeah, what do you mean Malkin will leave soon? I am a Caps fan and even I have to say...if you are going to talk trash at least be informed. Malkin is signed through 2013/14, which is actually a year longer than Crosby, for 8.7 million a year.

Posted by: ph0082 | June 13, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

Well, that was a fun two weeks!

Now my blood pressure can return to normal.

;o)

Jeff

Posted by: PensFan98 | June 13, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

P.S. Congrats to the Bears. I went to three games this year, and they're very fun to watch (plus, the Giant Center is a really nice place to see a game).

Jeff

Posted by: PensFan98 | June 13, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

I have a friend, who will now not renew his tickets because the Penguins won the Cup. So, there are now two free seats in the one of the lower sections in the corner.

Fun game last night. Too bad the Penguins won, but at least it will make next year's matchups even more exciting. The Caps were an OT goal away from beating the team that won the Cup. Not too shabby...

Posted by: HeShootsHeScores | June 13, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone have the email for the right address at NHL HQ to write and complain about perceived favoritism? If anyone here writes an email for that subject, please post here so I can copy and email. I think if hundredds or even thousands of fans wrote in with the same email, so it would obviously be organized, maybe the league would take notice. I am not the person to do this - I know others here have put the statistics about penalties, etc. It's probably a waste of time - most appeals to authority are - but who knows.

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 13, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

Well... I noticed nobody has posted this yet. If you want to listen to all of the Bears' goals and the final ten seconds of the game, go to JohnWaltonHockey.com and it's the first blog post you'll see. I listened to it just for the heck of it, and you won't regret it. John Walton is probably the best radio announcer I've ever heard.
And his voice crack right at the end of it was classic ;)

Posted by: 4RBears | June 13, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S.

Will the Pens be as hungry next year now that they got a Cup? I hope not.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

We get to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a rookie goalie who will only get better with time only to lose in 7 games to the eventual champion...both our minor league affiliates win their respective titles and our GM is an idiot?

No really, I want a real argument with some logic to support that theory. I'm sure he would have liked to add a piece or two at the deadline just like he did last year, but there were several factors indirectly working against him being able to do that.

Shero will get a lot of credit for the Pens win, and rightly so since he built the team. It is very true though that having that many top draft picks in those talent rich years was an unbelievable boon for them. As with any championship he'll also get more credit than is logical for the trades he made. I'd agree Kunitz helped them get into the playoffs as the #4 seed but I think he only had 1 goal the entire playoffs? I'm not saying he wasn't a good physical presence for them but he wasn't as big an impact as a depth player as a Kennedy or Talbot was. Guerin did a little more including an OT winner but let's be honest, it was their big guns that won this title for the Pens.

Until we actually take a step backwards I think any criticism against GMGM is a little premature. We have prospects in the pipeline that will compete for spots next season. The goalie situation looks very, very bright indeed going forward...as you'd expect Varly to only get better with more experience and Neuvy just won MVP for the AHL playoffs.

I would rather have seen Detroit win it, and yes, I do think the Pens have nothing to complain about with the officiating. In the end though, the Wings couldn't get the bounces they needed at the end and were a few inches away, it was the Penguins year. Can't wait till next season. Caps/Pens ECF would be sweet.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | June 13, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S.

Usually your posts are pretty sane.

But this one is funny -- you accuse me of not thinking out a post.. and then you twist logic into a pretzel to try to make your point.

First you said: "How on earth did GMGM lose game 7 at home? How did he lose game 3 or 4 or 6? The Caps lost those games, not GMGM. The Caps didn't shot up for game 7, not GMGM."

And then you said: "The Caps couldn't get Guerin because we didn't have the space either on the roster or in cap."

Well Greg, who exactly is responsible for the Caps' cap? You think it's just some number that gets randomly invented by guys like us? No -- GMGM is the man responsible for the cap. If he was unable to pull of a move at the deadline, it is BECAUSE of the cap situation that HE created.

Your argument defeats itself.

But here's something that would be difficult for anyone to argue with -- the Penguins would not have won the cup without Guerin. Don't believe me? Ask Sidney Crosby. The first person he handed the Cup to was Guerin. The Penguins made moves at the deadline, and won the Stanley Cup. The Caps did nothing, and look where we are today.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 13, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

We get to the 2nd round of the playoffs with a rookie goalie who will only get better with time only to lose in 7 games to the eventual champion...both our minor league affiliates win their respective titles and our GM is an idiot?

No really, I want a real argument with some logic to support that theory. I'm sure he would have liked to add a piece or two at the deadline just like he did last year, but there were several factors indirectly working against him being able to do that.

Shero will get a lot of credit for the Pens win, and rightly so since he built the team. It is very true though that having that many top draft picks in those talent rich years was an unbelievable boon for them. As with any championship he'll also get more credit than is logical for the trades he made. I'd agree Kunitz helped them get into the playoffs as the #4 seed but I think he only had 1 goal the entire playoffs? I'm not saying he wasn't a good physical presence for them but he wasn't as big an impact as a depth player as a Kennedy or Talbot was. Guerin did a little more including an OT winner but let's be honest, it was their big guns that won this title for the Pens.

Until we actually take a step backwards I think any criticism against GMGM is a little premature. We have prospects in the pipeline that will compete for spots next season. The goalie situation looks very, very bright indeed going forward...as you'd expect Varly to only get better with more experience and Neuvy just won MVP for the AHL playoffs.

I would rather have seen Detroit win it, and yes, I do think the Pens have nothing to complain about with the officiating. In the end though, the Wings couldn't get the bounces they needed at the end and were a few inches away, it was the Penguins year. Can't wait till next season. Caps/Pens ECF would be sweet.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | June 13, 2009 3:30 PM |
+1


Just gotta add, a huge reason the Pens even had a chance this year was Dan Blysma.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75

I'm sure they will be next year, but repeating for the cup is very difficult. Last time it was won back-to-back was by the Wing. Anyone care to guess when?

1997 against Philly
1998 against Caps.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 13, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Pens only 2 Cups came back-to-back. 91/92 I believe.


Greg S, why open those old wounds? haha.

"Yes....we finally made it to the Finals...now all we have to do is not get swept!"

...

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

I'm getting the sense that my posts are not very popular around here. But I will not apologize -- I wanted the Caps to win the Stanley Cup THIS YEAR.

The responses I'm seeing tend to excuse the fact that the Caps didn't win the Stanley Cup THIS YEAR, based on the ASSUMPTION that they MIGHT win one SOME OTHER YEAR.

This begs the question, how long have you been Caps fans? I'm not going to stir the pot up by mentioning The Curse of Scott Stevens, but I've got to say -- considering this team's history, assuming this team will continue on the correct path just because they've been on the correct path for a couple years, is a pretty rosy assumption to make.

To quote Jimmy Fallon's character from Almost Famous, 'You've got to take what you can, while you can.' It is IMPOSSIBLE to predict what will happen next year. Promising teams collapse all the time, for any number of reasons. It will be up to McPhee and Boudreau to prevent that from happening.

Making no moves at the deadline was an admission that the rebuild was not over. It was a signal to the team and to the fans that it's OK to lose this year.

The sad part is how many of you fell for it.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 13, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

Oneal I share your desire for us to win it this year...and I think it was possible. Whatever the talk about not making moves at the trade deadline, our defense/goalie not ready for the playoffs, etc...the fact remains that we took the eventual champs to 7 games and lost 2 games in OT during the series to weird deflections off our own players.

Wanting to win it this year would not have changed that our best chance to win was to have Varly play in net instead of Theodore. Expecting us to win with a rookie in goal and asking him to win 2 consecutive Game 7's in his first two playoff series of his career is asking a bit too much in my opinion. I'm happy with what we accomplished this year, and yes there are some "what ifs" but you deal with it and move on.

GMGM is responsible for us being against the cap and at the contract limit but there have been tons of good moves for every Nylander/etc that we can point out. The point is we're not at our peak yet, we're still getting there. If we want to call winning the division again and losing in a Game 7 to the eventual champ in round 2 of the playoffs evidence that "the rebuild isn't over" than I guess we can do that. If that's true every team but the Pens are officially in rebuild mode.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | June 13, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

Sweet. As soon as the buzzer sounded, I flipped the channel. No way was I going to watch Cindy lift the cup.

Now I kinda wish I had watched the lineup...that the face of the NHL missed!

Real classy, Cindy.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 13, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

The real sad part is believing that GMGM actually meant that. GMGM said that after he realized he couldn't trade anybody. Of course when you don't make any trades you are going to tell the media and fans that it was for the best.

Pens winning the Cup has really brought out an embarrassing side I've never see a lot of you posters have.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S.

Yes, I know the odds of repeating are astronomical. But the Pens have a way of beating the odds. Usually, teams that repeat are good in the regular season. I didn't thing that teams, like the Pens, who screw around in the regular season, don't win their division and then get hot would be the type of team to make it to the SC finals.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 4:42 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I guess Don Bylsma is the model of how to coach. From the get go, he had the Pens practice a lot more than Boudreau had the Caps did. It obviously worked. Boudreau (and his assistants) should learn as much as they can about how Bylsma does things and implement as many of his methods as he can. Bylsma is obviously the model of how to coach.

I fear (maybe cause I'm in a bad mood since the Pens won and my kid's swim team lost as well) that the Pens will win the President's trophy next year and breeze, comparatively speaking, through the SC finals. Boston won't be as good, probably, since their guys are injured. And, how much longer will Brodeur last with the Devils? I hope for the best from the Caps (and think they'll still make the playoffs) but they have some holes to fill in their offensive lines (and need help at D).

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Honestly, all speculation aside, I am pretty sure NO pens wanted to come back and play with Therrien again. This was probably a big reason as to why Hossa left, though I can't speculate on it since no one knows what went on in the locker rooms. Bylsma definetely was the breath of fresh air for the Pens this year.

RE: next year. I definetely don't think the Pens will win the Presidents Trophy, but they will definetely be a worthwhile competitor again next year. And if anything, the series this year did nothing but give me a huge confidence boost in our team. We were definetely the closest team (series for series) to beating the Pens, we just decided to sit down for Game 7.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 13, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I don't think we consciously sat down for Game 7. It seemed that the team had run out of gas. Morrisonn's penalty (ill timed) was what started things on the wrong foot that day. Plus, it just wasn't Varlamov's day that day.

Wouldn't be surprised if Hossa didn't care for the way Therrien did things. (How the he** did the Pens make it to the SC Finals last year if they couldn't stand Therrien?)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75

what holes do we have to fill? I honestly don't think replacing Kozlov will be that big of a deal. Getting a 2nd center to handle our other scoring line will be a challenge...but who knows if Nylander plays better with more playing time or if that kid we drafted in 04 from Russia comes over and is decent.

You're still looking at Backstrom probably seeing yet another increase in his production, people forget this was only his 2nd season. Who knows what kind of numbers Semin will put up if he can stay healthy for a full season. The development of Flash and Fehr next season will be big stories to watch. Guys like Steckel and Laich (well Laich is already been increasing his production every year) will probably be chipping in quite a bit.

The real questions for us next year will be which D men are in our top 6 and who stays up with the team out of camp. Also what the goalie scenario is going to be like going forward. You'd have to think Varly is #1 right now, but who are we going to carry to back him up. Theo has another year and would be tough to move. Johnny doesn't have a contract. Neuvy made a case that he's ready for the big time with his performance in the AHL playoffs winning the Calder Cup and MVP honors. The D and goalie situations will be big stories in the regular season next year. Come playoff time we're going to need more of our role players to step up. I know Bradley was a spark in the Rangers series and Steckel was amazing in the Pens series. We'll need more out of guys like Laich/Flash/Fehr.

The turnover should be interesting too...potentially losing Kozlov/Fed/Brash and maybe others. Potential guys that could end up on the big roster next year include Alzner/Giroux/Osala/Borque/Neuvy/etc.

We'll see how it shakes out but I'm pretty confident we will not be taking a step back next season. We just have to bring in the next group, get them up to speed, and maybe fill in a piece or two to give us the grit and leadership we need going into the playoffs.

Oh, and stay healthy.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | June 13, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

One guy on here incorrectly posts that Sid avoided the post-game handshake line, as if it was some cold calculated move, and you all believe him? Sorry, he shook hands. Why wouldn't he want the Wings to congratulate him? The Pens won.

Sid celebrated with teammates and coaches first, then eventually went over to the line to shake hands. See:
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/section?template=zoom&Site=C4&Date=20090613&Category=SPORTS05&ArtNo=90613025&Ref=AR&Profile=1053

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_22WsAsvQo

Some of the Wings (including captain Lidstrom) apparently already left the ice, tired of waiting. Draper is complaining about Sid not shaking Lidstrom's hand, as if it was an intentional slight. Complete B.S. and sour grapes from a loser. So who's the bad sportsman there?

Posted by: hondo21 | June 13, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

How about some love for the Bears. What do you think it means for the Caps next season? Who do you think is ready for the bigs?

Posted by: TJ91 | June 13, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Hondo21, you're wrong. Crosby was so full of himself that he avoided the handshakes. The NHL has a real problem now in that they have a golden boy who 1) is no where near as good as advertised and not the best player on his team even 2) is hated around the league by the fans as much as any player since Bobby Clarke and 3) doesn't have the respect of other players in the NHL. Time to look for another golden boy.

Posted by: dcsportsdude | June 13, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

First of all ph0082. Who the heck are you, I've never heard of you before. There is not way you have sat here for 10 months and not said a thing.

So, jp426 and ph0082:
Malkin will be gone. He will be a UFA in 2013, and a UFA in 2012. Crosby will up a RFA in 2012 and will sign the biggest contract in NHL history because he will still be considered the face of the NHL even though both Ovechkin and Malkin will continue to put up better numbers than him. After that deal is done Malkin will demand more, as he should, for being the reason the Pens are what they are. He will be dealed for a bunch of draft picks or players, or he will be taken by any number of teams that can afford him, and will build around him and the Pens will not be able to afford to match. In the business world 2012 is right around the corner.

Thanks for your time, wendel2, bring my car around to the front after you're dead scraping the dead bugs off the window.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 6:40 PM | Report abuse

Another happy talk post by Leonsis on his blog. He better realize how p.o.ed that Caps fans are that the Caps are taking baby steps (and their GM is getting them into cap trouble) while Pissburgh has been to two finals and won one. Put up or shut up next season Ted. And frankly, I don't think you can do it with your current GM.

Posted by: dcsportsdude | June 13, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

wendel2, that was poor guidance, and I should have been nice. Please bring my car around to the front after you are done scraping off the dead bugs. Thanks, you're a doll.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

@Davethecapsfan

I figure Kozzie didn't have all the great a year anyhow. Of course, who will be at right wing on the first line? Should we go back to one of the other "usual suspects" that we've played in that role; i.e. Semin or Fehr? Or use someone from the farm? Or in a trade?

For second line center, is Gustafsson ready yet? He just signed a contract this year.

Backstrom will require a huge raise in pay after next year. Semin will require a raise (but probably a $1 million or so at most). Would love to see the kind of numbers Semin would post if he stayed healthy all year. He is the guy I would vote for as most improved over last year.

Varly will be the #1 goalie. I assume the backup will be Theodore unless he's traded. I think JT will get plenty of work since Varly's stamina is questionable. (Neuvy will definitely be up to stay in 2010-2011.)

I think that pneumonia really set Flash back big time. That's a serious disease. (In Feb, Fehr was doing great. As soon he slumped, so did the team. Still, Fehr is better than he was last year.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 6:50 PM | Report abuse

I am in agreement with Oneal. A tiny tweak at the dealine and the Caps win game 3 vs Pens and everything is different. I thought instantly on March 3rd or 4th or whenever that McPhee sat on his hands, and that cost us.

That said, I have been a huge McPhee supporter for years. He has made great move after great move (my signature example: trading a washed-up Brendan Witt to Nashville for a #1 that became Varly).

I won't repeat all the great moves, and I won't dwell on Pokulok (sp?). You can go back and call up "NHL Draft Picks 20xx" and you will see how in any first round, there are winners and losers. McPhee had had far more winners than losers (Gonchar for Mo and the picks that became Schultz and Yunkov; Eminger and a 3rd for the pick that became Carlson; Land for Flash and the pick that would become Mike Green).

However, his failure to manuever at the trade deadline in 2009 - I'll tell you what, noew that it's over, how 'bout if Tarik asks him, "George, if you could do it over again?"

McPhee: "Yes, I would have maneuvered and gotten Guerin."

I'll bet anyone a whole sixpack that's what he'll say.

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 13, 2009 7:29 PM | Report abuse

My typing.........that was Robt Lang for Flash and the pick for Green.

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 13, 2009 7:37 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1
"So, jp426 and ph0082:
Malkin will be gone. He will be a UFA in 2013, and a UFA in 2012. Crosby will up a RFA in 2012 and will sign the biggest contract in NHL history because he will still be considered the face of the NHL even though both Ovechkin and Malkin will continue to put up better numbers than him. After that deal is done Malkin will demand more, as he should, for being the reason the Pens are what they are. He will be dealed for a bunch of draft picks or players, or he will be taken by any number of teams that can afford him, and will build around him and the Pens will not be able to afford to match. In the business world 2012 is right around the corner."


I think you are trying to suggest that both Crosby and Malkin will be eligible for RFA status before thier current agreements are up? If so I believe you are wrong- their length of service at that point will preclude RFA designations.

I don't know how the concept of time is accelrated in the "business world"; but in the NHL, which still uses the Gregorian calender- Malkin is under contract to the Pens for the next four complete seasons.

I don't consider that "right around the corner" nor do I consider your underlying contention that the Pens are faced with some imminent crisis to have any factual merit.

But reasonable people can disagree-

Posted by: jp426 | June 13, 2009 7:46 PM | Report abuse

Man, I need to start keeping track of my bets:

Open bet to anyone, for a six-pack: McPhee, if asked, will say he should have traded for Guerin.

With freakinandpeakin, one beer each:

My claim: Aucoin won't play one minute next year at Hershey; on this one, let's be honest, I was pretty sneaky. Aucoin has an NHL contract for a paltry $500K and we all know (I do, anyway) he'll get at least 40 pts. The Caps will either trade him (so he doesn't play at Hershey) or try and send him down (he'll get claimed and won't play at Hershey) or keep him (and he won't play at Hershey).

I also bet that Steckel and Flash would earn a combined cap figure of $3.6M in 2010-11.

Finally, I said Sloan would get $750K in a UFA contract for next year. That one, also, is a pretty easy bet. There are 30 NHL teams. Sloan would probably make an adequate 3rd pair defenseman on at least 20 of those 30 teams. As a UFA, he comes free of compensation. No way does a 3rd pair UFA defenseman not get $750K (from at least one team) in a world where Erskine gets $1.25M and Orpick gets $3.8M.

Enough bets and I'll be drinking free forever.

I'll also bet anyone, me saying Flash gets at least 50 pts next season and - and, also - Laich gets at least 60 pts. Since that's like the daily double, you have to put up three beers to me putting up two.

I will also bet that at least, once during the year, Bettman gets booed.

Posted by: tominfl1 | June 13, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

TominFl-

We didn't have the cap room for Guerin (or anyone), did we?

Posted by: Hatfield223 | June 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

Crosby will get signed to the biggest contract in NHL history 2 years from right now, when he is a restricted free agent. Malkin will be a restriced free agent the following year and will demand, deservedly so, more than Crosby because he will still be the point leader on the team. He will get rediculous offers during his restricted free agent year from many suitors and the Pens will have a crack at matching, but will not have the ability to do so. The team's financial status, let alone the salary cap will have the Pens hands tied. Once that happens the Pens will be done.

You are correct in saying that reasonable people disagree. My beef goes back with wendel2 because he always pops back on the scene with a poke in the eye. My USA hockey level IV, not III, coaching status is evidence that I know the game, but has nothing to do with my predictions on how the Pens will eventually fall apart. The Pens demise is obviously just my opinion.

I don't see my car yet wendel2. If you don't have a license, don't get behind the wheel.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 8:05 PM | Report abuse

TheRealOneal: Although the acquisition of Guerin at the deadline definitely helped the Pens hoist the Cup, it is not the reason Crosby handed it to him. Guerin was the oldest player on the roster. Gonchar and Satan got it early too because they are a couple of the older players. Fleury, who I admittedly rode the entire playoffs came through when it mattered for the Pens and was obviously a key reason they won. He was one of the last few to finally hoist the Cup. Guerin would have been nice but the deal never happened, such is life. Hopefully GMGM will be able to make some deals at the trade deadline next season if holes need to be filled.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

The Penguins won the Cup fair and square, a real hockey fan knows that, this blog is full of self-appointed hockey gurus who are not really hockey fans but Caps fans - big difference. Get over it. Penguins won the Caps didn't. I love the Caps and I congratulate them, they had a great season they just didn't have enough to go all the way.
Everyone has and is entitled to their own opinion, but my goodness, think before you speak, how can anyone think that the Caps, including GMGM, has not put a great team on the ice, it is a ridiculous argument made only by Caps fans who does not appreciate or understand the game of hockey. We have a great team that has shown improvement every one of the last few years.
There is only one team who will win the Cup in any one season, the Caps might win one soon, but I doubt it that they will win many in any short span; what does that mean? It simply says that the majority of you will forever be a negative fan whose only enjoyment is complaining - how sad.
As for me, I love the Caps, I will always root for them to win, but if they don't I will still enjoy the game of Hockey and thank the lucky stars that I am able to see some of the best players in the world; players like OV, Semin, Crosby, Malkin, and many more.

Posted by: opita1 | June 13, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

""Coaching level 4""

Stick to being a "fanohock"

Paying to be tought and taking a test makes you qualified as an educated idiot, nothing more.

Posted by: LarryDavid | June 13, 2009 8:18 PM | Report abuse

opita1 and her/his ilk are the type of fan this franchise doesn't need. What the team needs are fans who will say enough is enough and light a fire under Leonsis and company. McPHee screwed up this season by getting into salary cap trouble so he couldn't make any deadline deals. But for that, the Caps may have hoisted the Cup last night. You know it. I know it. Leonsis knows it. Bashir knows it. Guess what caps fan. Saying that this was a successful season is loser talk. And fans that say that are losers.

Posted by: dcsportsdude | June 13, 2009 8:27 PM | Report abuse

The fact that you use the name LarryDavid shows that you are a smart @$$. Every educated person is an educated idiot in your world? Bring a bucket to wendel2 so he can get the bugs off of my windshield.

What the heck was your post all about anyway? With all of the things said on this board, what the heck made you come after me? I stated my training as a certified coach (which is a requirement which is why we idiots pay) didn't make my guess at what would happen to the Pens anymore than an opinion put forward.

Without people like me, and my coaching colleagues, players would not develop. Canada has the same mandatory coaching programs and they have to pay too. I obviously have no idea what is required in Europe to coach so I will not speak to that. Organized hockey is not at all like any other sport in the US. In order to coach above the most basic level of hockey you must receive formal training. To belittle that is rediculous.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 8:33 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1-
Minor point but you are wrong-
neither Crosby nor Malkin will quality for Restricted Free Agent status because they will have been in the league for at least 7 years at the penultimate years of thier respective deals. The will be UFAs at the end of those deals.

Posted by: jp426 | June 13, 2009 8:57 PM | Report abuse

"I recall that Geurin is VERY expensive."
Posted by: CapsFan75
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Guerin was had for a song, a conditional draft pick -- a 5th round pick (third if Pens made it to second round of playoffs).


"Crosby was so full of himself that he avoided the handshakes. The NHL has a real problem now in that they have a golden boy who 1) is no where near as good as advertised and not the best player on his team even 2) is hated around the league by the fans as much as any player since Bobby Clarke and 3) doesn't have the respect of other players in the NHL. Time to look for another golden boy."
Posted by: dcsportsdude
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Seriously, how can you say he "is nowhere as good?" What more than top goal scorer and second in points is expected in the playoffs? Crosby shook hands. He was with Detroit coach Babcock when Lidstrom skated off the ice, behind Hossa, and he greeted the players who were on the ice. Watch the video. And to say he is not respected by other NHL players is just ridiculous. The only people who think that are Capitals and Flyers fans, the two fan bases who seem most intent on trashing Crosby at every opportunity.

Congratulations to Ovechkin for what presumably will be his MVP award. I bet he'd gladly trade it for the Cup. Or maybe not.

Yeah Bears!

Posted by: Dalliquippa | June 13, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1

Thanks for the support.

And yes -- Tarik needs to ask McPhee that question. These boards have become a place to vent. But they should be a place where we can interact with the people who have contact with the people in charge.

I KNOW we were up against the cap (and roster # total). But that's not the answer to the question, 'Why didn't we get Guerin?' For Tarik, it should bring up another question. Such as, 'Well is there anything else you could have done? Anything else you tried to do?' If not, 'Did you consider the fact that Guerin was EXACTLY what your arch-rivals needed? -- And finally, 'How did it feel to watch Sydney Crosby skate around with the Stanley Cup?'

The Caps and Detroit were the only teams that could have beaten Pittsburgh. I know how far the Caps have come. Still, tremendous, tremendous care must be taken to prevent a huge step backward next season.

Oneal

Posted by: TheRealOneal | June 13, 2009 9:26 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil, LOL! oh man. I'm hoping GMGM and Ted don't catch whatever lunacy is in the water in the NHL. I think it started with the Lightning, then went to the Leafs, bounced to a couple of other teams, now its headed to the Flyers? (sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Moving day and all, just now getting my life back to normal)

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 13, 2009 9:37 PM | Report abuse

fanhock did u leave the bucket behind your dwelling in the trailer park or your summer home beside the dumpsters?

Posted by: wendel2 | June 13, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

@Dalliquippa

I believe Guerin was expensive from a salary point of view as opposed to a trading point of view. The Caps didn't have the cap space room for him (since they have beaucoup bucks tied up with Nylander).

I'll admit the trading cost for Guerin wasn't high.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 11:04 PM | Report abuse

@jmu_capsgirl

Refresh me on the lunacy that's going around.

I do recall that Tampa did acquire several former Caps, including Kolzig and Heward, and then sent them to Toronto. And it does seem that Toronto is mismanaged, from what I can see. (The Caps can't seem to beat Toronto, for some reason.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 11:09 PM | Report abuse

Woke up this morning and remembered who won.

I started watching on CBC, but had to switch to NBC because the announcers on CBC weren't even trying to hide their pro-Pittsburgh bias.

Can't deny that last night that the Pens wanted to win more than the Red Wings did. Or rather, more of the Pens wanted to win - no one could match Zetterberg for intensity.

Wonder how Talbot felt, scoring the only goals for his team in game 7 and watching Malkin getting the Conn Smythe.

I hate this as much as I thought I would. And it's not going to go away until we beat Pittsburgh every time we play them next year.

Posted by: RedRocker1 | June 13, 2009 11:13 PM | Report abuse

@RedRocker1

Don't forget, we need to beat the Pens in the playoffs. The regular season doesn't mean diddly squat.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 13, 2009 11:31 PM | Report abuse

wendel2: I have confidence in your ability to be resourceful. Rather than ask where the bucket is, be assertive and find it. Being a mentor these days is so tough. Ten years ago I would have just canned you.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 13, 2009 11:40 PM | Report abuse

jp426: Yup, you're right on the UFA issue. They will be in tact 1 year longer. The Caps are probably the only team in the East that are capable, and hopefully more capable, to knock them off the next couple of years. If the Caps don't, we might see a little run here. IMO I think Malkin will leave to have his own team because the shadow the NHL casts over the rest of the Pens, and Sidney is more than willing to let them cast, will be too much for Malkin to deal with. He wants to be the man, and be known as the man, you see it in his game, and he's earned it. The Pens won't be able to afford him any way.

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 14, 2009 12:00 AM | Report abuse

Guys, watching both the SC finals (puke) and the Calder Cup finals brings me to a very important thought.

Think back to December - our best month on the season. What was special about our lineup in December? That's right, that was the chocolate infusion. Lots and lots of Bears in the lineup. Hershey just won the Calder Cup, As they play the same system we do, that's obviously not why. So why did they win and the Caps get bounced?

Work.

The Bears do all the little things - win battles in the corners, crash the net, forecheck aggressively, you name it. And they do it consistently, every shift. The Caps ... do not, well not most of them anyway. They're said to have a very relaxed locker room ... maybe just a little too relaxed.

The talent is there in the Caps, already. We know that, watching them flatten Boston and Pittsburgh and even take Detroit in the regular season. In fact, there's so much talent there that it allows them to get away with the weird work ethic in the regular season - but not in the playoffs. The issue is not one of talent, it's the little things, the will to compete and the will to do what it takes - whatever it takes - to win, win decisively, and win every time. To never let up and not slack when you have a lead. Hershey knows how to do that. They've shown they know how to do it, and that work ethic is evident in each and every one of the callups they send to Washington.

So, I ask you - why are we calling to buy this player or that player? Why are we saying that Hershey isn't good enough? This organization is so deep and rich with talent it's ridiculous. Hershey needs to be allowed to come up, because they bring the knowledge of how to win and how to do what it takes to win to the table, for a price that is far less than some fancy free agent. You need playoff experience? Get it at the deadline, it's cheaper that way and isn't needed in the regular season so much. (Our boys have shown they can handle that much on their own.)

That work ethic, that killer instinct, is all that stands between the Caps and the Cup. We don't need to buy more talent, we need more good honest hard work. Hershey's got it right here at home, why go out and buy it for an exorbitant price we can't afford?

Posted by: kittypawz | June 14, 2009 12:30 AM | Report abuse

Tarik:

How about a story concerning the plethora of defensemen. Who stays, who arrives, who goes? Who could bring something of value in a trade?

Posted by: miklosis1 | June 14, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

You're probably right on most points.

Should we have probably made our returning injured win back their jobs from the Hershey guys? Would the team have been better off?

We know the Bears were certainly hungry.

Of course, we probably needed some of our regular guys back, too. I recall that in the Boston game in December, when Semin returned from his long absence, they had lost the previous one (in Carolina) and were probably due for a lineup change of some sort.

Should we have used more guys from Hershey in our D for the playoffs instead of guys with broken feet?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 10:18 AM | Report abuse

We could say the Penguins truly have a connection with Philthy. Their GM, Ray Shero, is the son of the Flyers Coach, Fred Shero, who had coached the Flyers to Stanley Cup teams in the mid-70's.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 10:47 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75: I think so. Would they have gotten the Calder Cup if we did? Maybe. Maybe not. Their defense is crazy deep. It's not impossible.

I don't know about making then win back their jobs, but sitting a guy who isn't working for a game and using a callup instead definitely sends a message. We talk about Boudreau driving the guys harder, and that's certainly part of it, but they also need to drive themselves. Neither of them can do it all.

But yes, I think we should have gone with Hershey callups and sat a lot of the injured.

Ah well. What's done is done - now Ovi is going to have to prove all over again that he's better than Crosby, and the only way to do that is to win a Cup at this point. Preferably more than one, and preferably stomping Pittsburgh.

But, as they say, there's no greater motivation in sports than disrespect.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 14, 2009 11:11 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75, Sorry, internet still not working right in the new place. I guess "lunacy" really isn't the right word. Putting themselves in interesting situations is probably better. Tampa's been ridiculous all season, not just personnel moves, but their marketing, etc. As for Toronto, the whole GM switching there, combined with buying a draft pick, and the Frogren stuff. The Phoenix situation just gets weirder by the day. Lets not forget the possibly relocating Islanders. Its just stuff you shake your head at and wonder why they think it's a good idea.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 14, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

OV is a better goal scorer than Crosby, no question. But as important as goal scoring is, it is NOT the only part of the game. There are three situations in hockey, even strength, PP and PK. OV only plays in two of the three situations. If he wants to be considered the best player not just the best goal scorer, he MUST play in ALL situations.

And why do they make Lindsay Czarniak wear those ugly firesuits when she is on TNT during their NASCAR coverage?? LOL

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

fanohock1,

you and the Caps begged Gonchar to stay? LOL okay. This is business if you wanna believe it or not. Did the Caps make a fair offer to Gonchar or just "asked" him to stay? what the heck does that mean anyway, "asked him to stay"?

what was he gonna do if the Caps didn't trade him to the Bruins, sit out the rest of that season and after that? The Caps were trading anyone and everyone at that time so I can't say I blame him if he wanted to leave.

I ask again, what did the Caps do besides "asking him to stay"? Did they make him a serious offer to stay or just ask him nicely??

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

I just wanted to say Congrats to the Bears and fans. It was a win - win situation for me as my hometown Moose were playing the Bears. I wish the Caps could have made it farther but I have faith in next year. Have a great summer everybody and I look forward to talking to you all come October.

Go Caps

Posted by: bigschu8 | June 14, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil, LOL! oh man. I'm hoping GMGM and Ted don't catch whatever lunacy is in the water in the NHL. I think it started with the Lightning, then went to the Leafs, bounced to a couple of other teams, now its headed to the Flyers? (sorry it took me so long to get back to you. Moving day and all, just now getting my life back to normal)

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 13, 2009 9:37 PM |


Haha. I almost lost it when I read that. Emery and Esche eh....haha.

The only thing that worries me is that Backlund won't make the cut then, and I am a big supporter of importing more Swedish goalies.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 14, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1
"So, jp426 and ph0082:
Malkin will be gone. He will be a UFA in 2013, and a UFA in 2012. Crosby will up a RFA in 2012 and will sign the biggest contract in NHL history because he will still be ...

Couple of facts:

Cindy is UFA 2013-14
Maklin is UFA 2014-15

The Pens have 46.8M commited for next season and have 9 UFA's to deal with including:

Guerin at $4.5 M
Satan at 3.5
Sykora at 2.5
Fedotenko at 2.25
Adams at 0.6

Boucher at 2.5
Gill at 2.075
Scuderi at 0.7125

Garon at 1.1

Interestingly, they have no RFA's in the bigs. They do have a mess of U/RFA in the baby pens.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 14, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

LOL I can't think of any Stanley Cup winning swedish goalies.. have I missed something?

Before Lundqvist, the last great swedish goalie was the late Pelle Lindberg of the Flyers some 25 years ago.

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

and I'm glad to see that some people have time to research the salary cap situation of the Pens... LOL are you kidding me?

it's the job of each GM to make it work, not our job as a fan to crunch the darn numbers.. I can understand looking at those figures of the Caps but the Pens?? LOL geez

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

By contrast, the Caps have 44.6 in cap for next year. We also have only 4 UFA's and 4 RFA's.

UFA's

Fedorov at $4 M
Kozlov at 2.5
Laing* at 0.4875
Johnson at 0.8125

RFA's

Fehr at 0.735
Morrisonn at 1.975
Jurcina at 0.88125
Schultz at 0.763889

* Laing is listed here because he came up and has to stay or go back through waivers.

Considering that we have effectively 2 key persons to replace (Koz and Feds), I think we're sitting in much better shape than the Pens are. The mix of UFA/RFA's will continue to be extremely good through the next few years. We're pretty well positioned in the core personnel.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 14, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

joek443

No, I'm not. The Pens have 5 players currently earning over $2 M per year with none stating that they're retiring or leaving.

Sykora, Fedotenko, and Gill will need big boosts in pay that the Pens won't be able to afford. Guerin may actually stay for the same or a little less.

So where's the money going to come from? Is it possible that the Caps, who's cap situation is significantly better than the Pens, could scalp from them?

That's why you look at these numbers.

Unless you just want to complain and act pompus

Posted by: Greg S. | June 14, 2009 2:01 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, any new posts on anything? We need some choice morsels to live off of. What's happening with Brashear, Fedorov, etc?... Any candidates mentioned for Asst. Coach?

Posted by: kcbrichmond | June 14, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

All I want the Caps to do is sign Rob Scuderi away from the Pens...

Go Kyle Busch, beat Junior!!!

LOL

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

@joek443:
I remember what fanohock1 is talking about. Gonchar wasn't interested in being part of a rebuild. About the only player we traded away who really, really wanted to stay was Bondra, if I remember correctly.

In the Pens vs. Caps debate: as much as I love to hate them, the Pens are a 2 MVP team, while the Caps have one. When either Malkin or Crosby is in a rut, the Pens at least have the other to look to. That's why I would give Ovechkin Hart consideration above either Pen, who cancel each other out. I'm eager to see the talent of Semin and Backstrom mature just a little more and then the debate can really begin.

Posted by: hockeyweasel | June 14, 2009 2:23 PM | Report abuse

@joek443: "Gonchar makes $3.65 million this season and becomes a restricted free agent July 1; he expressed an unwillingness to sign a contract extension with Washington and does not want to be a part of the ongoing rebuilding process that has seen stars Jaromir Jagr, Peter Bondra and Robert Lang already traded."

The Caps never made offer dollar figures public, nor did Gonchar ever state that money was an issue. He was already making 3.65mil a year so it is reasonable to assume he could have written his contract. He just wanted out of Washington.

Here's the link to the story: http://www.extremeskins.com/archive/index.php/t-52425.html

Posted by: fanohock1 | June 14, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

All I want the Caps to do is sign Rob Scuderi away from the Pens...


Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 2:14 PM |

Why are you copying me?

Posted by: richmondphil | June 14, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

LOL I can't think of any Stanley Cup winning swedish goalies.. have I missed something?

Before Lundqvist, the last great swedish goalie was the late Pelle Lindberg of the Flyers some 25 years ago.

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 1:41 PM |

Great inference Kripke. Jesus Christ....

Posted by: richmondphil | June 14, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

hockeyweasel,

well that's fine.. but the last time I checked the players can't trade themselves. I don't think there are many veterans players willing to stick around for a rebuild process. However, if a team makes a genuine effort meaning MONEY to keep him around, he might change his mind. So far I haven't heard anyone say that the Caps made any kind of a serious offer to keep him around other than "asked him to stay".

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Scuderi would be great, but hell I would settle for Gill.

Posted by: caps512 | June 14, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Gill is slow and stupid.

Scuderi, Scuderi, Scuderi. I have been touting his name for 6 months. Too bad he will re-sign with the Pens.

Posted by: richmondphil | June 14, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

greg?
Laing has to stay up our go back thru waivers? How did he just win the cup with Hershey then?

Posted by: wendel2 | June 14, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Isn't the entire purpose of a rebuild to get rid of all the guys who want buckets of money to stay and start again with inexpensive young guys?

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 14, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I've been lobbying all weekend for the Caps to sign Sikora as a free agent. Given that he scores 25 goals a year and seems to be a spare part for the Pens. Cap hit is not ridiculous. Sign him for 2 years. (No uber long term deal, please.)

He can step right into either the 1st or 2nd line right wing slot.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

@jmucapsgirl,

Glad you're back -- with internet connectivity.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

Everyone, on Gonchar,

The Post article that was posted on Gonchar was not really clear on saying that he wanted out of Washington.

Still, if he did want out at that particular time, I can see where he's coming from.

Some people could argue that my daughter had done the same thing. She had swum for a team for years and years but her friends were leaving. Then one year, they hired a coach whose competence left something to be desired and the team performed very poorly. So she and most of her remaining friends decided to swim elsewhere the following year. (Yes, youth league swimmers are the equivalent of unrestricted free agents.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

@jmu_capsgirl

Yes, that is the purpose of a rebuild.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 6:43 PM | Report abuse

@hockeyweasel

I would like to see the talent of Semin and Backstrom mature as well, to complement Ovi. Both those guys have taken steps in the right direction during last season. Semin just needs to stay healthy.

Interesting screen name you use, especially when one of the Pens has a last name that translates to "weasel".

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz

We should probably have sat more of our injured (Green, Poti, etc.) and used more callups from Hershey. Let's face it, we had no speed on D if there are guys with broken feet.

Ovi should be more motivated so he (and the rest of us) don't have to hear "Nyah nanna na na, Crosby's better than you 'cause he's won a Cup and you haven't.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | June 14, 2009 7:22 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75, Thanks. I was asking about rebuilding because someone seems to think we should have offered a bucket and a half to Gonchar to stay during the rebuild.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 14, 2009 8:06 PM | Report abuse

@kittypawz's long post, from a Hershey perspective:
"The Bears do all the little things - win battles in the corners, crash the net, forecheck aggressively, you name it. And they do it consistently, every shift. The Caps ... do not, well not most of them anyway. They're said to have a very relaxed locker room ... maybe just a little too relaxed." - Some of the Bears' best people for doing things like that were Andrew Gordon, Oskar Osala, Graham Mink, and Steve Pinnizotto. In GMGM's ultimate rebuild theory, those people would be great choices, and the only one I named that wasn't as much of a scorer was Steve Pinnizotto. But he could be like a Brashear replacement, if necessary.
As for the relaxation in the locker room... I remember Bob Woods saying about this year's Bears team being a very emotional bunch. They need that kind of emotion and passion in the Caps' locker room now.
"So, I ask you - why are we calling to buy this player or that player? Why are we saying that Hershey isn't good enough? This organization is so deep and rich with talent it's ridiculous. Hershey needs to be allowed to come up, because they bring the knowledge of how to win and how to do what it takes to win to the table, for a price that is far less than some fancy free agent. You need playoff experience? Get it at the deadline, it's cheaper that way and isn't needed in the regular season so much. (Our boys have shown they can handle that much on their own.)
That work ethic, that killer instinct, is all that stands between the Caps and the Cup. We don't need to buy more talent, we need more good honest hard work. Hershey's got it right here at home, why go out and buy it for an exorbitant price we can't afford?" - Watching the Caps games I had this season, it's beyond obvious that the only players that they MIGHT need to buy are d-men, unless if they can sign people like Bryan Helmer and Staffan Kronwall to another season until Karl Alzner and John Carlson are ready to make the jump up. Heck, Alzner already has proven he could do it.
Playoff experience is one thing that they can, and maybe should buy if the time comes. Otherwise, callups are the Caps' best friend. Hershey's loaded with a lot of (cheap) young talent that could do it when they are called upon. If they can get rid of Theo, then goalie can easily be worked upon with having Johnson be there as a cheaper backup. Even making him a healthy scratch so Neuvy can be called up can be an option, and then Holtby can get some playing time with the Bears.
On a different note, have the Caps announced when rookie camp is?

Posted by: 4RBears | June 14, 2009 8:16 PM | Report abuse

well that's fine.. but the last time I checked the players can't trade themselves. I don't think there are many veterans players willing to stick around for a rebuild process. However, if a team makes a genuine effort meaning MONEY to keep him around, he might change his mind. So far I haven't heard anyone say that the Caps made any kind of a serious offer to keep him around other than "asked him to stay".

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

Olie Kolzig stayed, despite once being told they would find him an acceptable team if he wanted to be traded, and then again in resigning a contact extension in 2006. But Gonchar bolted. He knew he had the Caps' management by the balls by virtue of his contract status and could force the trade.

Posted by: RedBirdie | June 14, 2009 8:30 PM | Report abuse

4RBears, I think they announce rookie & training camp once they know the regular season schedule. Development camp, I think, is the week of July 16th. Its usually a few weeks after the draft so they can include their picks on the week's roster.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 14, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

@4RBears: I don't really think they even need to buy D. It's struck me that, when the D is all on the same page, they get the job done even against the best of them (see: Detroit, Boston). As I said, the talent is there. It's a matter of passion, work ethic, and killer instinct. Defense depends on those little things - winning battles, finishing checks, outskating the opponents' forwards. The ability is there, folks, in the crew we've got now. There's no doubt in my mind of that. The only thing that is stopping this crew now is passion and desire. Could that be rectified with a healthy captain that is consistently in the lineup? Maybe. But the Hershey guys, I think, can teach these guys how to win and how to do what it takes - whatever it takes - to win. And when they do, we'll see Ovechkin hoist Lord Stanley's hardware.

The only thing it might make sense to buy is someone with playoff experience, and do that at the trade deadline, not in the offseason. It comes cheaper.

Also, there's a couple of guys who are moldering in Hershey and a couple of guys who are moldering with the Stingrays because of the depth in Hershey. Travis Morin has nothing more to learn at the ECHL level, and Chris Bourque has already shown every sign of being an NHL-ready forward. Bring him up and put him on Ovechkin's right wing. See what the kid can do. (Can we call that the BOB line?)

I'd like to see Pinner get a look in Washington. Pinner is something we do not have in Washington - a pest. Next year, Hershey will probably have Della Rovere as well.

The goalie situation is going to get real crazy, real fast this summer. Can't wait to see what they do with it.

I hope hope hope that rookie camp is still the week of July 16th - I'll be taking most of that week off anyway for another reason.

Posted by: kittypawz | June 14, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

wendel2

You miserable... Damn fine question.

OK. He was brought up post trade deadline. I don't have my pocket CBA with me. Would that affect his status? I know no other team would have been able to use him because it was after the deadline. Maybe that's why he got through so easily.

Also, he was injured the one game he played. Could he have been placed on IR?

Also, when the Caps were out of contention, I think the minor leaguers can go back to their AHL teams IF they're on that listing they have. I don't think that Varly was on it as he was in DC when that deadline came.

NHLSCAP has Johnson on LTIR and listed with the minor leaguers. They had Laing in the bigs.

Posted by: Greg S. | June 14, 2009 9:16 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S.: The Caps were already out of contention when Laing was cleared to play for Hershey. Does that help you?

Posted by: kittypawz | June 14, 2009 9:25 PM | Report abuse

Calling Dr. Freud. Wow, do you guys really believe the stuff you write? If so, you need to follow a different sport if you really believe these conspiracy theories. I guess the NHL made the Caps lay an egg in game 7. I guess the NHL knew the Wings would hit the post in the final minute of Friday night's decisive game. I guess the NHL knew Fluery would play that great in games 6 and 7. I guess they fixed it so Talbot (not Crosby and not Malkin) would score the 2 winning goals for the Pens. Elvis is alive and the US bombed the World Trade Center.

I'm beginning to believe Caps fans are as paranoid about the Pens as Ravens fans are about the Steelers. I guess getting your butt kicked over and over by the same team can do that.

Why should the Post investigate when the hometown team got blown off the ice in game 7 in their own building. Caps were embarrassed by that performance. Contrast that game to game 7 between Pens and the Wings.

Let's be honest. Pens should have beaten the Caps in 5. Your goalie saved the day in games 1 and 6 as the Pens out-played the Caps in both games. I know because I was there. Pens were faster, better with the puck, better coached. Pens were not a one man show like the Caps.

Caps have a bright future and they can be a force in the East for years to come but that remains to be seen. For now, give the Pens their dues. Beating the Wings in Detroit in game 7 was a feat for the ages. Even Detroit sportswriters admit Pens were the better team winning 4 out of the last 5.

Congrats to the city of Pittsburgh for another championship. Maybe the Skins and Caps will do it some year.

Posted by: jayh63 | June 14, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

RedBirdie,

the Caps were trading EVERYBODY that year so you can't really blame Gonchar or anyone else if they wanted to leave. Would you have wanted to stick around unless they would have you a GOOD offer to keep you around?? So Kolzig stayed, good for him.. but he was the ONLY one.

Gonchar left and got to win his first Cup, good for him too. You can't blame or hold a grudge against any athlete for wanting to WIN. Dale Hunter didn't wanna stick around either and he ended up in colorado, kinda ironic since colorado was the quebec nordiques, the team Dale started his career with

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

Also I can understand trading away a player or two, even three but what the Caps were doing that year was completely unacceptable. And I kinda lost interest in the Caps and hockey after that (thank God for auto racing).

you can call it rebuild or spin it anyway you want but the same management that did that to you once can do it to you again. they got lucky with OV and the happy day are here again. at least that's what they want you to believe but till they can prove to me that they are actually interested winning the Cup, not just sell tickets, I will never trust these people.

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Joe:
Are you saying the Caps are not interested in winning the Cup?

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 14, 2009 11:32 PM | Report abuse

--Boo--

I'm saying I don't know.. that remains to be seen.

like I said any team that does what the Caps did just a few years ago has to do more than just say they wanna win the Cup.

they gotta go out and get it done. they're almost there now, they're not far off, just a 2 or 3 role players away as I see it. NO MORE EXCUSES.

Posted by: joek443 | June 14, 2009 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Joe:
I hear what you're saying, but isn't that exactly why they did what they did? rebuilds take time and the Caps have improved year over year. This (or should I say last?) season they lost to the champs-to-be ... not bad. With some very clever moves this summer, next season could be it. While I thought it was possible before, I never banked on it. Now? Well depending on what happens next month, I think this may actually be it.

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 14, 2009 11:49 PM | Report abuse

jayh63: I kind of think people are sort of not all too happy with the officiating that occurred in games 1-6, especially the overtime ones. There was a suspicious discrepancy in PP, like kind of major. Pens had 13PP in third period and overtime, Caps ... 3PP. The seventh game was clearly the Pens playing better. The previous games, not so much. I know its kind of hard to understand but try looking at it from a non Pens fan perspective.

Posted by: cirrus_nine | June 15, 2009 2:30 AM | Report abuse

On to more pertinent things...

I would love for Johnson to stay. I think he had the most amazing goal tending outing of the season when the caps played the Bruins.

The team however does not have room for two experienced goalies with what talent is in the wings but the Caps need one experienced goalie.

At this point, I would take Johny over Theo but the contract situation makes this hard.

Posted by: cirrus_nine | June 15, 2009 2:48 AM | Report abuse

@ the picture of Bettman handing Crosby the cup:

A new lyric to go with the SNL digital short....

"I handed the beautiful Canadian, Sidney Crosby, the Stanley Cup...and I j*zzed in my pants" -Gary Bettman

all of that work trying to get them the win led to this picture,I mean seriously look at Bettman's face...it just happened!

Posted by: NatyBG | June 15, 2009 7:11 AM | Report abuse

Well A) If we dont get some more speed we aren't going past the second round again next year.

B) Maybe the NHL can Stop Giving priority to the PENS now that their golden boy was handed the cup.

C) Anyone hear Crosby's voice crack when he was handed the cup?

Posted by: CapsFan44 | June 15, 2009 7:59 AM | Report abuse

cirrus_nine:
I agree - given the fact that we have Varly, I would take Johnny over Jose. Jose is not worth the extra money - we could use that coin elsewhere.

CapsFan44:
Yes, he squealed like a pig (not that there's anything wrong with that).

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

I wonder, do they roll out the red carpet for the Penguins today or is it black and white striped.

Thank God I was watching the Bears game online and not torturing myself paying full attention to the Stanley Cup Final. Hearing that young Crosby was distracted enough that he missed a fair amount of the handshake line does not surprise me.

On to next season. The team will be a few players different and it will be interesting to see which Bears players make the leap and stick with the Caps. Can't wait for developmental and training camps.

Posted by: _Mark | June 15, 2009 8:44 AM | Report abuse

I agree with you Boo, I would like to see Johnny split time with Varly. Jose would do just fine, but with Varly coming along so well, I would love to have the savings of Johnny over Jose. Now, all GMGM has to do is find a taker for Jose.

Posted by: _Mark | June 15, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

Greg S, You can send guys through waivers after the trade deadline, because no one who picks him up could play him. Since Laing's a UFA, it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to claim him just to deprive us of him. And as soon as the NHL club is done, any players eligible can be sent down. (Fehr joined Hershey last year, IIRC)
CapsFan44, Thankfully, I had it on mute since I was listening to the Bears game, but I'm sure it would have painfully reverberated through my skull and reminded me of that awful Backs own-goal he cackled about last season.

Posted by: jmu_capsgirl | June 15, 2009 8:55 AM | Report abuse

Mark:
Exactly. Frankly, I am surprised that the Flyers picked up Emery when they have not signed Biron - I would think they would go after Jose before Emery. Surely they can't be thinking of him as their #1?!? Anyway, hopefully someone will take him!

Speaking of Sid skipping some of the handshakes, did anyone notice how he blew Babcock off? Babcock was being kind and gracious trying to pay the guy a compliment and Sid couldn't be bothered. He barely looked him in the eye (if at all), had a very 'ya whatever' attitude and skated off when Babcock was mid-sentence. What a punk. (Forgive me if you guys have already talked about this - I have not been around for awhile! :-))

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 8:56 AM | Report abuse

@CapsFan75 and joek443:

If Gonchar left during the Coach Cassidy years, I don't blame him or any player who wanted out. When Caps players opened up and admitted he was horrible after his firing, I forgave any of them who left or were traded. Also, I thought mgmt showed class offering Hunter to the Avs for nothing, so that he could try and win a Cup.

also @CapsFan75:
I thought the last name of EVERY Pens player translated to weasel. So, who are YOU talking about? Anyhow, screen name traces back to way too much time playing EA Sports NHL hockey on the SEGA Genesis in college. If I could score a dozen goals with Ridley, I can't imagine what an Ovechkin would do.

During one of the Wings Cup years, maybe early 90s, didn't the goalies basically split the starting duties in half? One was unpopular at home, for whatever reason, so he got all the road starts. Maybe the Caps could do something similar with Varly and Neuvy. Less starts than either goalie would want, but a decent compromise solution if the coaches have a legitimately hard time deciding on a starter. Since I can't decide, that's my cop out solution, which totally ignores Theo and Johnny.

Posted by: hockeyweasel | June 15, 2009 9:03 AM | Report abuse

New post!

Posted by: --Boo-- | June 15, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

So I'm wondering...now that Crosby got the cup, does Bettman get that date he asked for in exchange for the Cup? Just wondering. =P

I love how one Washington Capitals fan call another Washington Capitals fan a complete moron for being grateful for the year we had. To actually be grateful that we did a better job this year and that we could look forward to many more great years ahead with this team.

I'm intrigued at how these same Capitals fans would also encourage us to rise up and "light fires under (insert a Capitals organization member here)". Should we also bring our pitchforks and don our overalls and/or wear our bonnets and light our torches and demand that McPhee and Leonsis do something about the continued downward spiral of the Capitals? A little bit of a Debbie Downer there, aren't we?

Say what you will, all of a sudden, we're rehashing the trade deadline and once again coming up with "shoulda', coulda', woulda's"?

Whether you want to call me a fan or not, I think it makes more sense to still give our team credit for what they accomplished, even if that didn't include winning the Stanley Cup. I still believe that whatever Leonsis and McPhee had to deal with when it came to the trade deadline, they did the best they could have done and probably have a better understanding of the bigger picture than any of us, including all you statisticians and armchair GM's who insist on p*ssing in everyone else's cornflakes just because we appreciate the season that the Capitals gave us, for better and for worse.

Let's face it, most Capitals fans aren't happy about the Penguins winning. We all wish we won this year but since we didn't, fortunately for many of us, we don't have a date with a pinebox six feet under, and so we have next season to look forward to and be excited and hopeful about. Get off our backs if that's the way we choose to see things.

Argh.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | June 15, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

Johnny and Theo should play again. Low score stays a Cap.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | June 15, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

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