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Jurcina Unlikely to Avoid Arbitration

Barring a last-minute change of position by either side, I'm told that the Caps are expecting Milan Jurcina's salary for next season to be determined in arbitration. The defenseman's hearing is set for tomorrow in Toronto.

While it's tough to predict how much Jurcina will be awarded, it's hard to imagine that he'll earn less than the $1.25 million No. 5 defenseman John Erskine is set to make. Jurcina earned $912,500 last season.

Arbitration rulings are due Aug. 6.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 27, 2009; 12:30 PM ET
 
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Time for a trade. That would put us over the cap right?

Posted by: PhilR | July 27, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

For those of us who don't keep spreadsheets of such things, how likely would this require GMGM to move someone? Assuming they want to keep Jurcina, do they have to make a decision about not signing one of our current RFAs or UFAs?

Posted by: hockeyweasel | July 27, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if I like the sort of disinterested approach the Caps have taken in some of these personnel moves

Posted by: superpaqman | July 27, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

The Obama/Pelosi tax increase on those making over a million will remove incentive for future $900k players to try to get to $1.2 million. He would likely end up better off just staying at $999k.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

I believe "technically" we could be under the cap with Juice signed at 1.25M but that is if we defer the bonuses for Backstrom and Alzner until next year (which I hope they don't do).

The other side is the log jam we would have at D if Juice comes back. Green, Mo, Juice, Erskine, Poti, Potsy, Sarge and Alzner. You have to think that someone will be traded.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I hope nobody gets their feelings hurt!

Posted by: thiazzi | July 27, 2009 1:22 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo - I assume you're unfamiliar with the concept of marginal tax rates. If the cutoff is $1 million, then only income earned above that cutoff (i.e., the last $200k, in your example) is taxed at the higher rate. A person earning $1.2 million is still taking home more after taxes than a person earning $999k.

Posted by: blanket1 | July 27, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

@WhyGo as a tax accountant I can safely say that he will still end up with more money after taxes even in the higher tax bracket... but not by much.

I would pay Juice 1.25 even 1.5. I like him more than Schultz, Morrison, and Poither because of his physical play. I know Poither is a better D but Poti fills his role, so does Alzner. I really think the guy traded is going to be Poither for draft picks, if not him than Poti than MO. We don't have anyone else who would be an upgrade to what teams already have.

Posted by: caps512 | July 27, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the cogent answer, blanket1. Can you move the dopey and off-topic political commentary to a different blog, WhyGo?

Posted by: yosemite_sam | July 27, 2009 1:35 PM | Report abuse

I like Pothier because he knows when to jump the play. I remember seeing him do that well and don't remember a time when he tried and it didn't work. He has good instincts and he is puck mover. Poti or Mo would be my guesses on who gets moved although I like the idea of Poti and Alzner playing together. They play good positional defense and could be our shutdown pairing.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse

Typical Lib spin. You must be aware that tax rate expressions are available in the following forms: Average, Marginal and Effective. The marginal tax rate is particularly punitive to those who would seek to earn more and don't always only apply to those bucks beyond the trigger point. As in the proposal currently before your beloved (apparently) congress, the rate would be retroactive down the chain and cost those making $1,000,001 a 5.4% surcharge on all of that income. read the bill.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 1:41 PM | Report abuse

Oh and as always: Go Caps!

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

these 4 should be in based on their play--

Green, ShaMo, Erskine, Jurcina

Poti will be in regardless of his play and he definitely looked like a weak link in the last month of the season and playoffs.

Pothier played well initially and ran out of gas at some point (understandably). I still don't see him as a top 6 player, he's fragile and not very strong on his skates.

Alzner needs another yr at Hershey and Sarge is Sarge.

My ideal realistic lineup would have Green, Mo, Erskine, Jurcina, Carlson (and somehow engineer a deal to move some pieces (i.e Schultz,Poti etc) for a strong veteran defenseman to round out the 6. I can live with Poti but I'd rather not.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 27, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

Also, regarding trading a D, we are almost forced to do so or send one of them back to Hershey. Roster's can only have 23 players so you take the 2 goalies and the 14 forwards already locked up on the roster (Backstrom is the only one on a 2-way contract) we can only have 7 defensemen. Alzner and Schultz are the only 2 on 2-way deals so either one of them is in Hershey or we are trading a blueliner.

Of course another option is us walking away from Juice's arbitration.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Thanks for the cogent answer, blanket1. Can you move the dopey and off-topic political commentary to a different blog, WhyGo?

the political stuff doesn't bother me - but the dopey is entertaining and must stay. count me as one vote for WhyGo

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Holy politics off the hockey blog please, ladies and gentlemen. Take 'em elsewhere. :(

Ignoring Capgeek's retarded lines, their cap calculator is pretty solid. Putting Jurcina at 1.5 million gives us:

FORWARDS
Alexander Ovechkin ($9.538m) / Michael Nylander ($4.875m) / Alexander Semin ($4.600m)
Mike Knuble ($2.800m) / Chris Clark ($2.633m) / Nicklas Backstrom ($2.400m)
Brooks Laich ($2.067m) / Brendan Morrison ($1.500m) / Matt Bradley ($1.000m)
Eric Fehr ($0.772m) / Boyd Gordon ($0.761m) / Dave Steckel ($0.725m)
Tomas Fleischmann ($0.725m) / Chris Bourque ($0.578m)
DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green ($5.250m) / Tom Poti ($3.500m)
Brian Pothier ($2.500m) / Shaone Morrisonn ($1.975m)
* Milan Jurcina ($1.500m) / John Erskine ($1.250m)
Jeff Schultz ($0.715m)
GOALTENDERS
Jose Theodore ($4.500m) / Simeon Varlamov ($0.822m)
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER: 23; PAYROLL: $57.352m; CAP ROOM: $1.098m BONUSES: $1.650m

We'd be into the bonus cushion if he gets much more than his QO, plus we have a logjam in D. I wouldn't be too surprised if the Caps either let him walk or make a trade.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 27, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo: I may be wrong - I do admit that I haven't read the bill. Thanks for bringing this completely relevant discussion to Capitals Insider! I, for one, could do with a lot more partisan bickering in the (previously) politics-free facets of my life.

Posted by: blanket1 | July 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

112 degrees and climbing out there where you are, good to hear from you. I was as usual just poking around for a different string to go on, not that NASCAR is bad or anything.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

The Cap will not let Jurcina walk!

Posted by: thomas20 | July 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

yeah i'm with WhyGo.

and for the record, anyone putting Obama on a caps jersey is frickin pathetic (especially considering the guy's never even been to a caps game and could barely pronounce Ovechkin's name as he milked him for political benefit while speaking to students in moscow). Nobama! Go Caps!

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

ok im done with the politics. had to throw that out there. back on topic...

we shouldn't let jurcina walk. i'm shocked that we resigned schultz, it seems like he's pretty clearly the weak link here.

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 27, 2009 1:59 PM | Report abuse

The Cap will not let Jurcina walk!

Posted by: thomas20 | July 27, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

I don't think they will either but it is an option they will have to discuss.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 2:00 PM | Report abuse

considering schultz's age, it seems like he would actually be decent trade bait for a draft pick(s). and since a bit of a salary dump is what we need, that seems like the perfect plan. resign juice and trade schultz and then we have retained the better d-man and obtained a draft pick.

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 27, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

stirring the pot.

tickets are due to be mailed out to STH's in a couple of weeks! Getting closer every day.....

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

which 5 or 6 d-man do they let go? to bad they have 6 of them to work with. they may have to let juice walk unless they can find a taker for one of the others. and by one of the others i don't mean carlson or alzner. i would think they would want to drop the biggest cap hit of the lot - that would be mo at 1.975m. these aren't the strongest d-men by any stretch of the imagination - but i'd keep erskine, juice, schultz (still think he has some potential), alzner and carlson

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo - I thought we weren't getting them until September

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Go Obama Go Caps!!

Posted by: CapCup | July 27, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

I like Pothier because he knows when to jump the play. I remember seeing him do that well and don't remember a time when he tried and it didn't work. He has good instincts and he is puck mover. Poti or Mo would be my guesses on who gets moved although I like the idea of Poti and Alzner playing together. They play good positional defense and could be our shutdown pairing.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 1:38 PM | Report abuse


Actually one of Pothier's major weaknesses is getting caught too deep and not being able to seal the puck in along the boards. The first yr he played for us it happened almost once a game where he got too aggressive at the other team's blueline and hung his partner out to dry on a 2 on 1

He surpassed my expectations when he came back into the lineup last year but to expect a full season out of him at a high level I think is a little premature. I don't think the Caps can just pencil him in as a regular player at this point.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 27, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

Kirk you forgot Green. Last time I checked he had the biggest cap hit.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 - I don't remember that but that's not surprising given my memory. I just remember seeing him jump up at the blue line a bunch this past season and impressing me.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the politics...it might be the Washington Post, but this is still a hockey blog. Thank you.

Posted by: NatyBG | July 27, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

Lib spin... beloved (apparently) congress...

Now I feel I am in DC, not some motor or steel city!

Posted by: CodePoetry | July 27, 2009 2:16 PM | Report abuse

pkendrick:
i guess i wasn't too clear - i should have said 'which 5th or 6th d-man'
but i would give up green for another ovi

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

We owe this arbitration to Sean Avery!

Seriously, after Sean elbowed Juice he really upped his game, it was like he had nothing to lose anymore. He was best in physical part of the game after that, even better than Erskine. Juice is heavier than anybody in the team and he started using his weight.

Posted by: CodePoetry | July 27, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

RE: from earlier post

Race car drivers are very athletic. They lose a tremendous amount of hydration and weight during the race.

http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/2672/392/

This does not just apply to F1.

Sure, they are not the human machines pro hockey players are, but race car driving takes a tremendous amount of physical and mental energy.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 26, 2009 9:40 PM |

I know proving joek wrong is fun, but lets just leave it at that folks.

If you don't want to read that article, tell me why having over 25+ pounds of pressure all over your body at various turns and points in the track warrants not being athletic.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

Typical Lib spin. You must be aware that tax rate expressions are available in the following forms: Average, Marginal and Effective. The marginal tax rate is particularly punitive to those who would seek to earn more and don't always only apply to those bucks beyond the trigger point. As in the proposal currently before your beloved (apparently) congress, the rate would be retroactive down the chain and cost those making $1,000,001 a 5.4% surcharge on all of that income. read the bill.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 1:41 PM |

and for the record, anyone putting Obama on a caps jersey is frickin pathetic (especially considering the guy's never even been to a caps game and could barely pronounce Ovechkin's name as he milked him for political benefit while speaking to students in moscow). Nobama! Go Caps!

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 27, 2009 1:57 PM |

Pathetic.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

pkendrick:
i guess i wasn't too clear - i should have said 'which 5th or 6th d-man'
but i would give up green for another ovi

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

Just being a smart ass Kirk

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: mrszilla | July 27, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Can someone tell me...if they award him more than we offered...do we have to sign him? Can we refuse to sign him if deemed too high?

Posted by: TottenhamCaps | July 27, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

We can refuse to sign him.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

First, well wishes are appreciated. Second, here is cap spreadsheet. If Jurcina makes $1.25M and replaces Sloan, you use up just about all remaining space. And that doesn't include Mo.

Ovechkin 9.538
Nylander 4.875
Semin 4.600
Knuble 2.800
Clark 2.633
Backstrom 2.400
Laich 2.067
Morrison 1.500
Bradley 1.000
Fehr 0.772
Gordon 0.761
Flash 0.725
Steckel 0.725
Aucoin 0.500
S/T 14 Forwards 34.896
Green 5.250
Poti 3.500
Pothier 2.500
Alzner (w/bonus) 1.675
Erskine 1.275
Schultz 0.715
Sloan 0.640
S/T 7 Defensemen 15.555
Theodore 4.500
Varlamov 0.850
S/T 2 Goalies 5.350
Total 23 Players 55.801
Clymer (Buyout) 0.367
Total 23 Players + Clymer 56.168
Cap Space (Est) 56.800
Available 0.632
Extra Players
Morrisonn 1.975
Jurcina (Arbitration - Est) 1.250
Collins 0.625
Bourque 0.578
Extra Players - Sum 4.428

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

Man , it must be summer when I come here and it is talk about NASCAR, baseball, NBA, and worst of all, politics!!! The season won't come fast enough!!!!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 27, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

That's carrying 14 forwards and 7 d men though, so we will have a tiny bit of relieve at least. Looks like another season riding the wall of the cap...

That's a good thing though. Better than having a team with an in-house budget lower than the salary cap.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@pkendrick:

I misread the email. The deadline for entering an alternate delivery address is Aud 12th, but you are correct that the actual ticket delivery date is Sept 10.

*sigh*

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

The Caps can walk and refuse to sign him if they deem the arbitration award too high and Jurcina becomes an unrestricted free agent. He can sign with another team, and the Caps get no compensation.

Posted by: NovaCath | July 27, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil:

you meant to write that I was ATHLETIC, I'm sure you would never call a fellow Cap fan PATHETIC, would you?

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

Who thinks that Nylander is gonna turn it around and be a point per game player again this year? I just have a feeling that he's gonna pick it up and be a reliable offensive guy for us. If you look at his numbers over his career, he's been a major point producer. Now that he's finally healthy from the major shoulder injury, he should get his chance this year. Here's to wishful thinking (* takes a swig from the ole' flask *)

Posted by: reesem37 | July 27, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

You can bet McPhee has dangled Jurcina, Poti and Morrisonn around the league and knows what he can get. Maybe Schultz, too, except that he makes less.

One way or another, you will have too many NHL contracts and that means either a trade or a waiver exposure.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

@WhyGo

Hah. I don't care if people talk about politics here, but it's easy to do without the sarcastic partisan overtones.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Point well delivered.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Kill me, but I think we will see a different Nyllet this year. I have a feeling that he will be able to contribute to the team.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

I think we all hope for that. If he plays good enough to help us, awesome. Even better, we might be able to trade him without having to buy him out for Semin and Backstrom. Tom and other guys who love the numbers, I'm not too sure on all that though. Can we afford to sign Semin/Back without having to, at the very least, buy out Nylander?


Plus, a new season should = a new slate, for everyone. Including Schultz, Fehr, and anyone else who is a usual suspect here.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

Even if he does step up large (which I think he will), he will still be (imo) overpaid, no way he is worth what he is being paid right now.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 3:39 PM | Report abuse

Would we really want to buy out Circles' contract? According to capgeek if we buy him out this date next year then it costs up $2.875M in 10/11 and $1M in 11/12.

With us as close to the cap as we are now, and not knowing what the cap will be next year, buying him out just does not seem like a logical choice.

What would the cap hit be on him if we put him on waivers and someone signed him away? Do we get any hit at all?

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

Phil: I have posted in the past that you can resign Semin & Backstrom next year at $6M each cap hit, an increase of $5M from current cap hit of $7M for those two. You pay for this by replacing Theo next year with Neuvy (saves $3.6M) and by replacing Pothier with a defenseman making $1.1M (saves the other $1.4M).

You will also save the Clymer buyout for a few extra bucks. The wild card is if the cap drops, but then you move Clark or Poti (in last year of their deals) or something along those lines.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Would we really want to buy out Circles' contract? According to capgeek if we buy him out this date next year then it costs up $2.875M in 10/11 and $1M in 11/12.

With us as close to the cap as we are now, and not knowing what the cap will be next year, buying him out just does not seem like a logical choice.

What would the cap hit be on him if we put him on waivers and someone signed him away? Do we get any hit at all?

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 3:43 PM |

Pardon me. I need to clarify; buying him out AFTER this season. Meaning when he is in the last season of the contract. The buyout will not be that much at all, I forgot the numbers but someone has done them before.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

You will also save the Clymer buyout for a few extra bucks. The wild card is if the cap drops, but then you move Clark or Poti (in last year of their deals) or something along those lines.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 3:46 PM

Or buy out Nyls? ")

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil, it depends on whether Varly/Neuvirth are ready to go. If we still need Theo for a year, Caps might be in trouble. Semin already has a high cap number, so his contract probably wouldn't be so bad unless he wants Ovi-type money. I imagine Backstrom's contract price will jump though.

After this season, besides Theo, Pothier's contract is also set to expire and of course Mo and Juice (if the Caps accept his arbit award).

Posted by: koalatek | July 27, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil, it depends on whether Varly/Neuvirth are ready to go. If we still need Theo for a year, Caps might be in trouble. Semin already has a high cap number, so his contract probably wouldn't be so bad unless he wants Ovi-type money. I imagine Backstrom's contract price will jump though.

Posted by: koalatek | July 27, 2009 3:48 PM

I don't think we are going to re-sign Theo no matter what happens. There would be cheaper alternatives out there...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Note; I know Theo would not get 4.5 mil/yr, but even then, there are cheaper stopgaps out there. Biron signed for less than 2 mil if I'm not mistaken.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget, reports are that Nyls' NMC also expires after this year, meaning we could trade him to Edmonton and he couldn't object. Heck we could even just waive him and send him to Hershey.

Posted by: koalatek | July 27, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

meaning we could trade him to Edmonton and he couldn't object.

Posted by: koalatek | July 27, 2009 3:52 PM |

I laughed.

"No one wants to play in Edmonton."

Not sure Ted and the owners would like paying a guy almost 5 mil in the AHL though.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

ESPN.com has an article on Varly on the front page of the NHL section but you have to be an insider to access it. Anyone who has access want to give the rest of us the skinny?

Posted by: Moose33 | July 27, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo:
i think if nlys is willing to alter his game just a bit to help conform to BBs system - he can be productive. i don't think he can be 4.875m productive though

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Pardon me. I need to clarify; buying him out AFTER this season. Meaning when he is in the last season of the contract. The buyout will not be that much at all, I forgot the numbers but someone has done them before.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

Phil, the numbers I listed 2.875M for 10/11 and 1M for 11/12 are if we were to buy out his contract 1 year from today. If we were to buy it out now i think the cap hit for 10/11 is over 3M.

Either way that's way too much to tie up in a guy we don't want. Plus if he makes it thru this season on our team then we will trade him wherever we want.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

The numbers posted earlier must have been wrong then.

Anyways, if he played like last year, you dont think a buy out might be in the options? He needs stock before we can trade him...though Gomez went, so anything is possible I guess..

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

i thought the cap hit for a contract buyout was 2/3 of the contract over 2 yrs.
nlys 'after' this season is 3m (the last yr of the contract) - 2/3 of 3m is 2m / 2 yrs would be 1m cap hit for 2011/12 and 12/13.
still to steep for not having a body in a jersey. even clymers 367k hit can still mean the difference of picking up a player you might want.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Well my thought process is that there has to be a team out there that would want his services but no one wants to TRADE us for him. If we put him on waivers and someone else signs him then we get rid of a contract we don't want and they get what they want. Either that or he clears waivers and we send him to play in the KHL with JJ.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

thought the cap hit for a contract buyout was 2/3 of the contract over 2 yrs.
nlys 'after' this season is 3m (the last yr of the contract) - 2/3 of 3m is 2m / 2 yrs would be 1m cap hit for 2011/12 and 12/13.
still to steep for not having a body in a jersey. even clymers 367k hit can still mean the difference of picking up a player you might want.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

Check capgeek.com. They have a buyout calculator that will give you the numbers.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 4:13 PM | Report abuse

i thought the cap hit for a contract buyout was 2/3 of the contract over 2 yrs.
nlys 'after' this season is 3m (the last yr of the contract) - 2/3 of 3m is 2m / 2 yrs would be 1m cap hit for 2011/12 and 12/13.
still to steep for not having a body in a jersey. even clymers 367k hit can still mean the difference of picking up a player you might want.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 4:10 PM |

These look like the numbers posted that I was going off. I am not a CBA expert, so I'm not going to pretend to know which. I'll let you guys figure it out, haha.

Buyouts that steep are rare, but certainly not out of the question. Jay Mckee.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

Well my thought process is that there has to be a team out there that would want his services but no one wants to TRADE us for him. If we put him on waivers and someone else signs him then we get rid of a contract we don't want and they get what they want. Either that or he clears waivers and we send him to play in the KHL with JJ.

Posted by: pkendrick | July 27, 2009 4:12 PM |

There are a lot more complications involved with just sending him down or simply finding a team who wants him. If he got picked up on waivers, great..whatever team got him gets him for half price. This is going off the rumor that his NMC expires. If he doesn't clear waivers, he will be right back up. They are not going to pay a guy almost 5 mil outside the NHL. That seems a bit less plausible then taking a buyout of whatever the numbers are to me.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

i was way off on nlys buyout:

the cap hit is not 1m per year - that 1m is just the buyout payment per year.

the cap hit is calc'd a little differently.
this time next year - nlys buyout would be:
salary due: 3m
original cap hit: 4.875m
buyout amount: 2m (2/3 of remaining contract)
buyout payment per yr: 1m
buyout savings: 2m for 2010/11 (3m salary minus 1m buyout payment)

for the first year of the buyout - the cap hit is the difference between the original cap hit minus the buyout savings
nlys first year cap hit of buyout is:
2010/11 buyout cap hit: 2.875m (cap hit of 4.875 - savings of 2m)
second year cap hit of buyout is:
2011/12 buyout cap hit: 1m (original cap hit for 2011/12 is $0 - so just the 1m buyout per yr payment)


Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 4:43 PM | Report abuse

what are Caps propellerheads gonna say to Juice in the arbitration meeting:

1) you don't break enough glass with your slapshot to warrant what you want
2) you don't break enough glass with opposing players to warrant what you want
3) we think Schultz is a top-4 defenseman and you are not
4) BLAH BLAH BLAH

seriously, Caps management; why do we quibble over guys like Juice and sign guys that are obviously middle to bottom of the pack??

Posted by: doughless | July 27, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil,

The caps would "only" be paying nyls 3 mil, not the full cap hit of 4.875, in that final year. so demoting him is certainly an option. Basically the caps will need to decide which of these 2 "nylander isn't playing for us" options is better:

++ Spend 2 mil to buy him out, save 2 mil in cap space in 2010/11, lose 1 mil in cap space in 2011/12;
++ Spend 3 mil to demote him to hershey, save 4.875 mil in cap space in 2010 and leave the 2011 cap unaffected

Posted by: GusDaMan | July 27, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

The most likely scenario with Nyles after this year, if he is unproductive, assuming NMC does expire after this season:

The Caps put him on waivers. For 2010-11, his cap hit is $4.875M but his actual salary is $3M. If he is claimed, the claiming team pays him half the $3M I think), but I don't know how it works with the cap.

If he's unclaimed, very likely, you assign him to SC, pay him his $3M, but avoid completely the cap hit. At this point, with that happening, Nyles would cut a deal to have a team in Sweden pick him up and "retire" from the NHL and the Caps would allow that, or the Swedish team would pay back the caps something toward the $3M. Or Nyles might just retire altogether, and forgo the last year of salary. Assuming he has invested his money, the $30M or whatever he's made to date should tide him over until his SS kicks in.

I know if I had made $30M by the time I was mid-30s, I wouldn't be worried.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
this is referring to 'recall waivers'
If he is claimed (as Ron Hainsey was on November 29, 2005), the acquiring team is only responsible for half of the player's salary and the player's former team is responsible for the other half - which counts against the team cap for the duration of the player's contract.

this came from: http://www.nhlscap.com/cap_faq.htm#who_counts

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
why did you have to go and talk about making money. i went back and figured out my annual salary for the first 'full time' job i ever had - $7,800 per year. with that kind of scratch it was a good thing that a case of beer was only about $8.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Ha! My first annual salary was $7,694--35 years ago. These guys spend that much on t-shirts today.

Posted by: capsfan77 | July 27, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

capsfan77 has set the bar pretty low - anyone out there 'old' enough to beat that?
i'm defining 'full time' as 40 hrs a week - part time jobs that should have been 20 hrs a week and you worked 40 - don't count

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

a few comments on the above posts...

1) Keep in mind when talking about one way and two way contracts, that only affects what the player makes in the NHL vs the AHL. Players on a two way contract can still have to go through waivers before they make it to the AHL. Schultz, Backstrom etc would all have to go through waivers as they have accumulated more than 160 NHL games played.
http://www.nhlscap.com/waivers.htm

2) There is zero chance the Caps buy out Nyls, simply because the dead cap space would cause problems beyond this season. The Caps can make due with him for this current season if need be, and his no movement clause expires after this season.

If Nylander is "dead wood" again this season, the Caps can send him to the AHL, and assuming he gets through waivers he'd either have to report to Hershey and collect his final 3 million, or could refuse to report at which point the Caps would suspend him taking his Cap Hit off the books, and would not be obligated to pay his salary.


Posted by: SombreroGuy | July 27, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

either way, if Nyls reports to Hershey or refuses, his cap hit comes off the books. My post above wasn't too clear on that. My apologies.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | July 27, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

actually it's not 25 pounds of pressure, it's up to 5Gs of pressure - that's 5 times your body weight - that race car drivers have to deal with when braking and turning.

F1 drivers have to deal with that more than nascar or indycar drivers because they don't race on ovals. Thay have to be more fit because weight is everything in F1 - 4 pounds less means one tenth of a sec/lap faster.

Posted by: joek443 | July 27, 2009 6:25 PM | Report abuse

capsfan77 has set the bar pretty low - anyone out there 'old' enough to beat that?
i'm defining 'full time' as 40 hrs a week - part time jobs that should have been 20 hrs a week and you worked 40 - don't count

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Yes, I do have him/her beat. 40 hours a week for minimum wage at People's Drug Store for a whopping annual salary of $6,300. Needless to say I didn't stay there long. I think my first hockey ticket was about $3.50 for a youth ticket to see the Caps and KC. Can you even get a bag of Fritos for that much at an NHL arena anymore?

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 27, 2009 6:31 PM | Report abuse

joek443:
we've moved on from the nascar athelete debate - they are athelete's - just not worthy of an espy over a hockey player

tempusfugitrgv:
congrats - you're the new current record holder
how long will it last ...

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: You mentioned if he's claimed on "recall waivers," the Caps pay half plus half the cap hit. I checked and Sean Avery is on NYR cap hit for half salary, but not on Dallas at all.

Is recall waivers when you send them down or try and bring them back? If they send Nylander to Hershey and he gets claimed, I'm not sure the Caps are on the hook for 1/2 the cap hit.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1:
the impression i got when i read that was on the recall back to the big club. if the caps ever sent nlys to hershey - they would never try and bring him back up.
i'm too lazy to ever try and read the CBA (or understand it's legalese) - i just look for the 'hockey for dummies' translations of it
maybe i'll get 'unlazy' and try and find out what happens when a player is sent down

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 8:02 PM | Report abuse

Capt Kirk: From what I remember in the past, like when this first happened, it was the Devils who sent Mogilny down to avoid like $3.5M in cap hit. That was some years ago. And then I recall when the Caps considered recalling Laing, that they would have to pay something if he were claimed (but that fear wasn't brought up when he went through waivers to go to Hershey in the first place).

And, yes, I'm also too lazy to look it up.

With Avery...Dallas didn't try to bring him back up, or did they? I can't remember. They suspended him or something then they assigned him to some AHL team, Hartford or something. Maybe he played one or two minor league games, then he was on the Rangers.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 27, 2009 8:39 PM | Report abuse

@tempusfugitrgv

To show you my age, I was too old to get youth tickets when I started going to Caps games back in 1975.

I was making $10K a year at my first full time job (just out of college) in IT. The medium price tickets were $6 (or was it $6.50). The cheap tickets were $4 (or maybe $4.50). The "expensive" tickets, which I considered out of my price range were $8.00. I usually did either the $6 tickets or $4 tickets. I would get the cheaper seats if I could get in one of the "middle" sections.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 27, 2009 8:51 PM | Report abuse

As far as I am concerned there are only two blueliners from last year's roster that I consider untradable.

Green because of his offensive potential and Erskine because we will never get for him what he is worth to the team.

I would listen to offers on the rest...

By the way, Carlson was not on last year's roster but Alzner was, so I am including Alzner in the tradable category.

Posted by: muddapucker | July 27, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

The caps would "only" be paying nyls 3 mil, not the full cap hit of 4.875, in that final year. so demoting him is certainly an option. Basically the caps will need to decide which of these 2 "nylander isn't playing for us" options is better:

++ Spend 2 mil to buy him out, save 2 mil in cap space in 2010/11, lose 1 mil in cap space in 2011/12;
++ Spend 3 mil to demote him to hershey, save 4.875 mil in cap space in 2010 and leave the 2011 cap unaffected

Posted by: GusDaMan | July 27, 2009 5:10 PM |

Didn't think of that, about ~5 mil to just the 3 mil for the final year. As I said, someone posted numbers a lot lower to buyout nyls a few weeks ago here, and I was going off those. If the buyout really is that much, than re-assigning him seems to be the better option. This is assuming the rumor that his NMC runs out is true.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

The caps would "only" be paying nyls 3 mil, not the full cap hit of 4.875, in that final year. so demoting him is certainly an option. Basically the caps will need to decide which of these 2 "nylander isn't playing for us" options is better:

++ Spend 2 mil to buy him out, save 2 mil in cap space in 2010/11, lose 1 mil in cap space in 2011/12;
++ Spend 3 mil to demote him to hershey, save 4.875 mil in cap space in 2010 and leave the 2011 cap unaffected

Posted by: GusDaMan | July 27, 2009 5:10 PM |

Didn't think of that, about ~5 mil to just the 3 mil for the final year. As I said, someone posted numbers a lot lower to buyout nyls a few weeks ago here, and I was going off those. If the buyout really is that much, than re-assigning him seems to be the better option. This is assuming the rumor that his NMC runs out is true.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

Arg. Double post...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 9:08 PM | Report abuse

actually it's not 25 pounds of pressure, it's up to 5Gs of pressure - that's 5 times your body weight - that race car drivers have to deal with when braking and turning.

F1 drivers have to deal with that more than nascar or indycar drivers because they don't race on ovals. Thay have to be more fit because weight is everything in F1 - 4 pounds less means one tenth of a sec/lap faster.

Posted by: joek443 | July 27, 2009 6:25 PM |

Oh really? Sounds like you read the link I posted. Thanks for informing me of that info that was in the link I posted.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

I thought I would let the younguns brag about their first real jobs before making my first ever post here, though I have been reading for long time. When I first started working, the minimum wage was $1.25/hr. If you are not able to figure it out, that comes to $50/wk or $2600/yr. Though I never worked full time for minimum wage, I made the princely sum of $4000/yr.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | July 27, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

That would be 1965ish? I think there might be some..more seasoned Caps fan here, though you're up for contention.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 27, 2009 9:34 PM | Report abuse

tempusfugitrgv:
congrats - you're the new current record holder
how long will it last ...

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 6:48 PM
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My first job was in a sewing factory (full time) making $1.95 an hour (in 1977). That comes to around $4000 annual. Worked there long enough to pay for my first year of college.

Posted by: tess2201 | July 27, 2009 9:43 PM | Report abuse

as of now we have a tie - but the polling is not yet complete. realoldcapsfan and tess2201 are knotted up at $4000. if noone steps forward and is willing to fess up to making less than that - we may have to request an essay from these two and pick a winner based on how 'sad' their story (working conditions) is

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 9:52 PM | Report abuse

Actually, Kirk, it wasn't that bad. The work sucked, but the people were fun, and I could tolerate it because I knew that I would only be there long enough to save up some cash for school. I think everyone should work in a factory at some point in their life. It gives you an appreciation of how incredibly mundane a job can be. And while we're discussing financing, I went to a state college where tuition, room and board for a full year was around $2500. Try and find a college education for that price these days!

Posted by: tess2201 | July 27, 2009 10:06 PM | Report abuse

All,

Forgive me if this has been said before on today's post.

I find it HIGHLY doubtful that Carlson will have much time [some are penciling him in as top 6 (he will be called up for some I believe) up with the Caps this season because:

1. GMGM has said repeatedly on record that he likes to 'overcook' players in the minors rather than rush them.

2. GMGM will likely play the games played angle in order to keep Carlson's RFA rights a year longer (I am no expert on this subject but believe similar to Alzner's last year).

3. With the glut of Dmen, there is no room

Posted by: ralCapsFan | July 27, 2009 10:18 PM | Report abuse

My first job had me paying the company store a fee for every ton of ore I hauled out of that dang mine. I bet I LOST about $1 an hour. So, negative $2,020 per year is what I'm putting up.

It got better, though. I probly make about $200 an hour, all in, these days.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 10:29 PM | Report abuse

@realoldcapsfan:

I remember 20 cents (these dang computers don't even have a 'cents' button) a gallon for gas. Pick up a bunch of coke bottles on the side of the road, cash 'em in and fill up your tank!

It wasn't all THAT long ago that gas permanently broke past a buck a gallon. Took a long time to get from 20 cents to over a dollar as I remember it.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 27, 2009 10:40 PM | Report abuse

@realoldcapsfan

You definitely have me beat in the age department and probably even started following the Caps before me. I didn't start following the Caps until 1975 when I graduated from college. We could say I followed the Caps for most of my adult life.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 27, 2009 10:57 PM | Report abuse

@WhyGo

I too remember gas that low and lower. Do you remember when you got green stamps(or some other stamps) with your gas? Or when all gas stations were full service and had repair shops attached to them? Gas didn't go over 19.9 cents/gal until about 1960. There was going to Griffiths Stadium to watch the real Wash Sens lose, we used to make the upper deck really rock until it was in danger of collapsing. Yes, I am that old, lol

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | July 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

@tess2201

At least the people at the factory you worked at were nice.

Luckily, my parents paid for college (at state supported institutions). I am eternally gratefully to them. So I was able to save up much of my summer job money. I remember a job working at Dart Drug after my freshman year of college that paid $1.80 which was the minimum wage in those days. (I was luckier the next 2 years and got government summer jobs.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 27, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

@realoldcapsfan

Did you continue to root for the old Senators when they moved to Minnesota and became the Twins? (And soon after moving, they got to the series.) My grandmother actually lived about 60 miles away from the Twins at the time.

I recall when baseball was talking about contraction and considering doing away with the Twins. My suggestion, of course, was to move the Twins back to Washington.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 27, 2009 11:06 PM | Report abuse

WhyGo:
$200 an hour - i guessing male gigolo -
how many hours can you put in a week? do you charge for 'cuddle' time too?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 27, 2009 11:08 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75

I did continue to root for the Twins for a while, Killebrew, Oliva and all were just fantastic. Pasqual had one of the best curves I ever saw. After the originals retired I stopped rooting for them.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | July 27, 2009 11:58 PM | Report abuse

All this talk about first jobs ... I don't remember how much I made! lol!

realoldcapsfan:
Welcome to the jungle. Be careful - some of the critters bite!! ;-)

Posted by: Boo- | July 28, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

CapsFan75 Just realized that you were mocking me on the previous thread bec I accidentally used the word "fowl" instead of foul. English is not my first language. Butt, oops, I meant but, I'll try harder next time.
Anyway, Jurcina was second after Ovechkin for hits. And is one of our better D-men. I vote to keep him.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 28, 2009 1:13 AM | Report abuse

capsfan01:
It amazes me how many non-native English speakers post here - that's pretty cool. What is your first language?

Posted by: Boo- | July 28, 2009 1:25 AM | Report abuse

There was a post earlier with some incorrect information. Somebody stated that the Caps could walk away from what an arbitrator awards Jurcina and we would get no compensation. That's actually not right. We would receive compensation in the way of picks dependent upon the salary that he is signed to. I don't remember the breakdown but you get "x" number of picks in "x" rounds for the money. I believe the top tier was 5 1st round picks which is like a 6 or 7+M contract. In the Jurcina scenario (~$1M) we would get something like a couple of 3rd round picks or a 2nd rounder something like that. I can look it up if you want to know for sure. I have it saved somewhere and would just have to find it. Hope that helps.

I don't see us walking away from him though. It'll be a 1yr contract and I don't foresee it being too crazy but it is an uninterested party.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 28, 2009 3:32 AM | Report abuse

great link you posted there, mrszilla! watching OV dance (and semin maybe even having a good time) was a real pick-me-up.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 28, 2009 3:39 AM | Report abuse

pokerface: You are talking about when team makes a QO, but the player signs as a RFA with another team. The original team can either match the contract or accept the compensation. Jurcina however rejected the QO and asked for arbitration. That binds him to the team. If the Caps elect to reject the arbitration award, and walk away, that makes Jurcina a UFA is my understanding.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 28, 2009 6:27 AM | Report abuse

@capsfan01

I've typed some worse bloopers than "fowl" for "foul". Then again, the Pens are certainly guilty of foul play; e.g. Orpik.

Never realized your native language wasn't English.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | July 28, 2009 6:37 AM | Report abuse

Not sure if you all have seen this interesting perspective on Caps goalies on Hockey Buzz
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/blog/Steven-Hindle/Theodore-Varlamov-or-Neuvrith-Whos-the-Starter/98/22249

Posted by: CapCenterholdover | July 28, 2009 7:18 AM | Report abuse

Kirk:

Just call me "Duce".

My income is only limited by the number of hours in a day. Now, if I can just keep awake, I should be ready to retirzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: WhyGo | July 28, 2009 8:35 AM | Report abuse

Does anyone else think that Clark should be traded? I know he's the "Captain", but I can't really think of any benefit he's provided in the last 2 years.

We all know Nyls is not a good fit here, but how replaceable is Clark?

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | July 28, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

Clark's been dealing with 2 injuries the past 2 seasons. Just a couple of years ago, he was on Ovie's line and produced. He is gritty, 100% team player, and a valuable asset. He brings a similar game as Knuble, and I am looking forward to seeing what a healthy Clark will add. His #'s have never been all that high, but I for one feel he should be kept here, and measure his worth based on his contribution on the ice as opposed to on injured reserve.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 28, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I thought I would let the younguns brag about their first real jobs before making my first ever post here, though I have been reading for long time. When I first started working, the minimum wage was $1.25/hr. If you are not able to figure it out, that comes to $50/wk or $2600/yr. Though I never worked full time for minimum wage, I made the princely sum of $4000/yr.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan
In 1965 I did work for minimum wage as runner on Wall Street.It cost $1.25 for lunch, .60 for train fare, and another .60 for the bus.Of course gas was .26 gallon and cigarettes were .23/pack. My monthly take home as a private in the Army in 1968 was $97. Not a "real old Caps fans" just an older Caps fan.

Posted by: CapCenter105 | July 28, 2009 9:12 AM | Report abuse

I say give Clark a couple of months to prove his worth before moving him. If he's actually healthy this year (they said he was last year, so who knows), maybe he will be worth keeping.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 28, 2009 9:16 AM | Report abuse

Last year, Clark began the season healthy but was then hampered by a tendon problem... could barely hold his stick. I still believe in what he brings and I guess the concern now is whether he can stay healthy and hope the past 2 seasons were flukes. I mentioned earlier how I feel he complimented Ovie's line the way they are hoping Knuble will. Another comparison might be to Laich - same type of game and leadership quality. Quite a few last year were saying Laich was deserving the "C". I am not normally a stat fanatic, but check out Laich's most recent 2 seasons and Clark's most recent "healthy" 2 seasons... virtually the same. Clark deserves a fair chance to prove he can still fulfill his role.

Posted by: gonchpup | July 28, 2009 9:35 AM | Report abuse

Clark's 'worth' to the team relative to his 'cost' to the team is a very favorable ratio.

This same ratio is what is hurting Nyls so much. He is also a good player, but his numbers (output vs salary) are just obnoxious.

Clark is cheap, tough and keeps his head down.

Just like my wife (shoes flies thru the air and onto the skull, making a sound like a tennis racket smacking a ball - thock!)

Posted by: WhyGo | July 28, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

OK, all y'all oldsters have me WAY beat on the first job thing. I didn't show up on the horizon until '65, didn't move out to the east coast until '87.

Back to hockey before I have to pull out a tape measure to see who's got the biggest one.

Looks like today's Jurcina's arbirtation day... and we have to wait until August 6th for results??? Jeez. Talk about stringing us along until then!

We do have a bit of a logjam at the blue line, though. Those in favor of dumping Schultz: if we do, we will live to regret it. Schultz is a positional defenseman. True, he doesn't hit (and if he did, he'd probably say, "Excuse me!"), but hitting is not ALL a defenseman has to do in order to do his job. He's still young; give him a chance to mature into the position.

We also have Alzner in Hershey, and I, for one, would like to see him brought up this year - and NOT as an injury call-up, TYVM!

Posted by: irockthered | July 28, 2009 10:10 AM | Report abuse

He should earn less than Erskine and Schultz because they should be ahead of him on the depth chart. Any award over $1M the Caps should walk away....

Posted by: MikeL-Caps91 | July 28, 2009 10:57 AM | Report abuse

irockthered:

Schultz is a positional d-man??? from what I could tell for much of the end of last season, he was a positionally out-of-position d-man. i mean the guy was regularly overplaying the puck, directly leading to 2-on-1 for the opposing team. i am sure JT60 would agree about Sarge's bad positioning.

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

My first job: detassling corn in the fields in Illinois for $.75/hour in 1968 (I was underage.) Gas prices were between $.25 and $.34/gallon, cigarettes were maybe $.50/pack. And it's funny, I don't FEEL that old.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 28, 2009 11:42 AM | Report abuse

He should earn less than Erskine and Schultz because they should be ahead of him on the depth chart. Any award over $1M the Caps should walk away....

Posted by: MikeL-Caps91 | July 28, 2009 10:57 AM

But what if GM has a deal in place to sign him and then swap him for a 3rd or 4th round pick? Braden Holtby was a 5th round pick, btw. Osala was 4th. We used a 3rd and Eminger to get Carlson. Anything is better than nothing.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 28, 2009 12:05 PM | Report abuse

I saw one Senators game at Griffith Stadium...Senators lost but Jim Lemon hit a home run...I did root for the Twins. that was an awesome team. Jim Lemon actually owned a store in Hyattsville called 'The Store'. He ran it in the winter and then took off to Minn. during the season to coach first base. I do not remember how much I got paid for my first job but it was during the summer of '64. I worked the loading dock of a small pill factory. Ah, those wer the days.

Posted by: nimrodrsp | July 28, 2009 12:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: kittypawz | July 28, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Let's bring some youth to this board (kidding). First job was a cashier for P&C, Syracuse based grocery store. I was 16 and made minimum wage- $4.25. That was 1995.

Random: Lets assume the Caps/Habs game is going to be played at the Big O. Anyone considering heading up for a fews days of debauchery in Montreal? Haven't been in 7 years, and I'm seriously considering going.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 28, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

BB--On the hate of Jeff Schultz, and whether fans are too rough on him: "I think they ARE rough on him...He's a top 4 defenseman for us...Makes the right play at the right time. Doesn't hit, but gets in people's way...Doesn't do it with pizzazz, they should cut him some slack."

cut him slack? Sounds like the Caps aren't even worried about Schultz's lack of physicality. Getting in people's way is fine in certain aspects. But how about clearing the crease once in a while? Is that not on Bruce's priority list ? And since when does a hockey org simply accept that a 6ft6 defenseman isn't physical and thats ok by them? Ridiculous. What's Jeff Schultz's incentive to change his game if his coaching staff doesn't care. He doesn't have to be Tinordi but what could be wrong with adding some grit to his game?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
schultz at 6ft6 would give the impression of being a bit more physical. his 715k salary gives him the chance (cutting him some slack) to grow. once he starts asking for erskine type money - they will have to tell him to expand his limited skill set. these skills would include riding bodies into the boards, digging for pucks in the corner - and as you've pointed out, a critical skill for all d-men - CLEARING THE CREASE OF TRAFFIC

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 28, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Arbitration is going to ruin jurchina just like it did morrisone. Crap.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 28, 2009 1:37 PM | Report abuse

Boo; Russian is my native language. And Capsfan75; I have an English degree and have been here for a long time. Maybe that is why you did not recognize that English is not native to me. Usually I let spell check do my work for me. In the case of a homophone that does not work :-{
To all who have showed their age; I am in my mid 20s and have enjoyed your stories on minimum wage. You're not old just wise! I hope that you get the respect and appreciation that you deserve. Young Americans don't take good enough care of their elders.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 28, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

I think Jurcina may have arbitrated himself into free agency. I'm not sure the caps can sign him for what he's probably going to get out of the arb. Is he a must-have member of the team? Probably not. Will he be missed? Of course.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | July 28, 2009 1:52 PM | Report abuse

And now back to Hockey! If Clark can stay of off the injury list he is a gritty player who sticks up for teammates. This will be valuable to us now that we are enforcer-less.

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 28, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

I agree that Schultz needs to be given some slack. He's one of those steady, cheap, defenseman that every team will need in a salary cap era. Not to compare Schultz and tall guys he's been compared to but provide a link to a reel of big time hits dished out in one season by Chara and I will expect the same from Schultz. The biggest defenseman that is a consistent hitter, I mean clean you out hitter in the league is Chris Pronger. All the other guys 6'6" and taller look awkward out there, including last season's Norris trophy winner.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 28, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

I wish we could've gotten Pronger. That would've been a dream come true!

Posted by: capsfan01 | July 28, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

kittypawz:

Bouds and i will simply have to disagree. in my book, Schultz = Yonkman. big guy that plays like a little guy. i just don't see why Schultz should be cut any slack. I for one am tired of spinning post-season wheels. personally, i don't see Sarge helping make the next step. I take Jurcina, HANDS DOWN!!!!

my sense is that GMGM likes a soft game. I don't think we need to send a bunch of goons out, but I don't prefer that style or Schultz.

End of conversation for me on this one. Someone out there please now tell me I am being negative (i expect no less). Save my email and trot it out later to prove I am wrong.

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse

sorry, Kitty. better yet; GMGM and I will have to disagree.

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2009 2:28 PM | Report abuse

Any news on when training camp will start?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 28, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

It is true Clark was the next best player 3 years ago.. but that's not saying much. Especially when you really look and realize his career points came from being on the PP with OV.

in fact, the best compairson is that he is just about EXACTLY like Laich... who is younger and not injury prone.

I was just thinking with Knuble and Laich, where does Clark fit in. Does his $2.6M bring value or not. Looks like most people tend to think so. I'm not as sold, but as long as we don't have salary issues, why not...

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | July 28, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

@doughless

completely with you. jurcina over schultz and day of the week. (or in schultz's case, any day of the weak.)

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 28, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is a positional d-man??? from what I could tell for much of the end of last season, he was a positionally out-of-position d-man. i mean the guy was regularly overplaying the puck, directly leading to 2-on-1 for the opposing team. i am sure JT60 would agree about Sarge's bad positioning.

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2009 11:01 AM | Report abuse

Anytime a defenseman isn't physical they automatically get tagged as a positionally sound player. Schultz isn't a bad positional defenseman, he's just not very good at it. He's a decent positional defenseman with little to no physicality or competitive nature. He doesn't compete hard on the ice. Everything he does looks either overly casual or timid. Thats why forwards love to dump the puck in on his side, have him try to chase it, then hammer him into the boards. Man he wouldn't last a day in the joint.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@fricknoutstandin

i'm not so sold on clark. great guy, but i think he's one of those that carried over from the first couple post-lockout seasons when our young guys were getting their feet wet. we're really deep now and don't have as much need for injury-prone character guys when we have so much talent throughout the organization.

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

my sense is that GMGM likes a soft game. I don't think we need to send a bunch of goons out, but I don't prefer that style or Schultz.

End of conversation for me on this one. Someone out there please now tell me I am being negative (i expect no less). Save my email and trot it out later to prove I am wrong.

Posted by: doughless | July 28, 2009 2:26 PM | Report abuse


lol, you're so negative! why are you even a caps fan? go find another team to root for!

just par for the course around here Doughless, don't let it get you down. You know what you know.


ftr though- don't compare Schultz to Yonkman. Yonker actually turned into quite a physical player and he displayed that at the nhl level also. All you have to do is watch tape of that game in Philly where he was hammering big Philly power forwards in the crease and then dropped big Turner Stevenson with a killer punch at center ice. Schultz will never be that kind of player. Yonkman just had too many injuries.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

To be worth $2.65M, Clark pretty much has to give you "Knuble performance" at 95%.

Clark is younger than Knuble and, like him, hasn't played that many games for his age. Clark started to look like his old self in the Playoffs. Let's hope we get 60 pts each from Knuble, Laich and Clark and 200 pts between Ovie and Backstrom and 40 goals from Semin. That, and decent goaltending, as good as last year, plus moderate improvement from the D (more maturity from younger players and a full year of Pothier) should spell another 105-110 pt season.

I am expecting the role forwards to chip in like last year also, but have no clue what to expect from Nylander. If he could play 15 mins a game and provide 60 pts - a big plus on top of what is already accounted for.

Posted by: tominfl1 | July 28, 2009 2:55 PM | Report abuse

@fricknoutstandin

i'm not so sold on clark. great guy, but i think he's one of those that carried over from the first couple post-lockout seasons when our young guys were getting their feet wet. we're really deep now and don't have as much need for injury-prone character guys when we have so much talent throughout the organization.

Posted by: nwilson2 | July 28, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

some of the issues with Clark are really the fault of the coaching staff-- when CC came back at the end of last season, he really gave the team an initial spark. He wasn't scoring, but he was hitting everything and playing a gritty game all over the ice. He was determined to contribute in any way esp if he wasn't generating any scoring chances. Well Bruce and company got so mad at him for taking a few penalties, his ice time dwindled to next to nothing until he became so tentative out there he quit even hitting. They neutered their bull.

Bruce, for all his good points, sometimes doesn't understand that physically enthusiastic players will sometimes end up in the sin bin and that he shouldn't penalize them for that or it renders them useless. Its a coaching style difference between him and some other coaches. Clark could have done the exact same thing on a dozen other teams and not been punished by his coach for taking a few penalties. Its not like he was lying on the ice and hooking people down ala Semin. He was trying to add some zest to the lineup and got a bit overexuberant.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 28, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I don't think Bruce got mad at Clark for taking too many penalties.. I think Clark's ice time was related to his injuries, specifically playing a few games with a broken forearm or whatever it was.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 28, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

So Pottery Barn Teens has NHL bedding, up to queen size beds. I wish their main catalog would sell those puppies for a king size bed. =/

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 28, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

So Pottery Barn Teens has NHL bedding, up to queen size beds. I wish their main catalog would sell those puppies for a king size bed. =/

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 28, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

This is where it would be helpful to be able to live vicariously through ones kids.

Posted by: mrszilla | July 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

@mrszilla: A sham or two wouldn't hurt on an adult's bed, would it? =)

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 28, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

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