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Making the Cuts

Cautious optimism was the pervading mood in the Capitals' locker room after practice Monday morning, especially for the likes of Chris Bourque, Quintin Laing, and Tyler Sloan, all of whom were told today that they would be a part of the team's opening night roster Thursday against Boston.

Coach Bruce Boudreau confirmed after practice this morning that he informed forwards Keith Aucoin, Alexandre Giroux, and Brandon Sudgen and defenseman Karl Alzner they would not be with the team when it takes the ice for the start of the 2009-10 campaign.

Both Alzner and Sudgen have already been assigned to Hershey. Aucoin and Giroux must pass through waivers. The team won't know until noon tomorrow if either were claimed by other NHL teams. If they aren't, both will report to Hershey as well.

That means the three survivors will all be on an NHL opening night roster for the first time. Boudreau made it clear, though, all three are far from guarantees to stick with the Caps the entire season, something they are well aware of.

"I feel better," Sloan said after finding out his fate from Boudreau when the two passed each other in the hallway at KCI this morning. "It's been kind of a stressful few days waiting for this decision, but you can't relax really because you're still fighting. ... I don't really know about long term, but I survived this round and I'm happy to be here and that's all that matters."

Sloan, 28, got the call up to the NHL for 26 games last season, and also was a part of the Caps' playoff roster. He played in four preseason games this year, amassing one goal and an assist. But his steady play earned him high praise from Boudreau, who yesterday called Sloan the team's "best defenseman" during camp.

For Bourque, making it past cut down day means he'll get to open the season back home in Boston, where he'll see his last name hanging from the rafters. The 23-year-old is the son of famed Bruins defenseman Ray Bourque, if you hadn't heard. The 5-foot-8 wing has only played in the HD Banknorth Garden during his college days at Boston University and for an exhibition game last year, but never in a full-fledged NHL regular-season game.

Evidently, though, Boudreau saw enough out of Bourque in two preseason games to give him another shot in the NHL. After missing two games with a mild concussion, Bourque scored a goal and almost had a nifty assist in last night's 4-3 win over New York.

"That really put a damper on my camp, I thought I was done," said Bourque of the head injury. "I came back and got to play in the final game and I felt really good in yesterday's game and I guess I played good enough to stay around. That's really exciting for me right now, so it's a great day."

Laing, though, might have the most to be happy about. As is well documented, he suffered a ruptured spleen after one game with the Capitals last March. But his tenacity and willingness to block shots as a member of the team's fourth line was something Boudreau and his staff were clearly enamored with.

"We thought he was the perfect guy to have on our checking line," said Boudreau.
Boudreau said the roster decisions were made last night amongst the coaching staff and General Manager George McPhee. This morning Boudreau and McPhee met a final time to make sure this was the direction the team wanted to go.

And while the coach certainly enjoyed delivering the news to Bourque, Laing, and Sloan, Boudreau's itinerant pro hockey career made him well equipped to be the bearer of bad news as well.

"When you see guys, sometimes they're welling up and getting emotional, and I understand that whole thing because I've been on that seat more times than I care to admit," he said.

More thoughts from Boudreau:

On choosing Bourque over Giroux:
"We were looking for a fourth line energy guy and he just, I thought, played better than Alex. ... For Alex Giroux to come in, he would have had to have a great camp and he would have been here. But I didn't think his camp was as good as these guys."

On Sloan over Alzner:
"Tyler Sloan was our best defenseman in camp, so what kind of reward or justice would that have been to send him down today. We had nine, and it was really hard to send Karl down, because he played really well, too. At this stage, he was the easiest guy to send down. As reasonings go, and this is what I told Karl, sometimes the salary cap hurts you, sometimes it helps you. And in this case, it hurt us."

On Quintin Laing:
"I think for Quintin, it was just we don't have that element and as a fourth line left winger that can play in defensive situations, or third line the first couple weeks of the season. We thought he was the perfect guy to have on our checking line. Everybody likes him on the team and he's committed to working hard in practice everyday as hard as he works in the game."

Other News and Notes From Practice:
>> Forward Michael Nylander was on the ice for practice today. No word yet on his status with the team. After yesterday's game, Boudreau hinted a decision might come as early as tomorrow.

>> Forward Eric Fehr was a full participant in practice for the first time this preseason. Boudreau said the team has a specific date in mind for his return, but would only go so far as to say it would be about "two weeks."

>> Wingers Alexander Semin and Chris Clark both missed practice this morning. Boudreau said Semin was "feeling under the weather," while Clark told me he was just taking the day off. Boudreau said both should skate at practice tomorrow.

>> Goaltender Michal Neuvirth did not take the ice today due to his ongoing undisclosed injury. "I want to see how he is tomorrow," said Boudreau. "It's an unfortunate thing, but we don't know if he'd be ready for Thursday anyway." Boudreau said the decision as to where - here in Washington or up in Hershey - Neuvirth will receive treatment in the coming days and weeks is up to athletic trainer Greg Smith. He has not been officially sent down, however.

By Mark Giannotto  |  September 28, 2009; 2:35 PM ET
 
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Comments

Congratulations Chris Bourque!! =)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

YES BOURQUE!!! after all my numerous pro-Bourque comments this summer, it finally has paid off. YAY #56!!!

Posted by: capsfan387 | September 28, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I really hope Alzner's confidence isn't shot. He went through the same exact thing last year and IMO he is 1 of our top 6 D but because of salary cap and body issues he ends up with the shortest straw AGAIN!

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | September 28, 2009 2:44 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if all of the sudden Nylander news is because the Caps really are trying to sign Forsberg?

According to Hockey30.com, they report that their Sweden correspondent has spoken to Forsberg and he wants to play for the Caps. And the interest is mutual from the Capitals according to the correspondent. Forsberg is currently playing over in Sweden working on an attempt for a comeback in the NHL. If this does happen, the Capitals will have to figure out what do with Michael Nylander. If they can free up the cap space that is Nylander's contract, they could land Peter Forsberg. Time will tell. Could this be the signing, if Forsberg remain helathy, to get the Caps to the Cup. Stay tuned... this from http://www.hendrickshockey.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=602:peter-forsberg-to-the-caps&catid=40:the-rumors&Itemid=90

If they could get rid of that Cap hit they could sign Forsberg and have him share time with B.Mo. It would help keep them both healthy for the playoffs. I only suggest the time sharing because I don't think either of them can play a full 82 games and only playing 50 or so will hopefully keep them both healthy for a run to the Cup.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 28, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

Alzner = Cap hit or bust ?

Forsberg in DC would be another utter failure and distraction.

Posted by: LarryDavid | September 28, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

Now THAT'S a paragraph!

Posted by: WhyGo | September 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@pokerfaceI208

I doubt his confidence is shot. Besides its only a matter of time before he is playing for the big club full time.

Posted by: Dizzy1205 | September 28, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Why do you think that LarryDavid? In the past guys like jagr have come in and have expected to be the savior of the team. If all Forsberg is expected to be is an extra piece why would the be a failure?

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

or twenty

Posted by: WhyGo | September 28, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

@dizzy1205

that's what everyone said about Alzner last year and here we go again. Unless he's made of stone, that's gotta hurt. Any other team in the league, he's on the ice opening night.

Posted by: jerseygirl15 | September 28, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: LarryDavid | September 28, 2009 2:48 PM |

^^^ is would be another utter failure and distraction.

Posted by: Rocc00 | September 28, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

alzner = cap hit. plus he can get sent up and down w/out clearing waivers. they cant risk trying to move other dmen through waivers cause they would get picked up.

my guess is that they will move a dman to fill up space for karl. that or nylander situation gets resolved and he is no longer a cap anchor.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 28, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

Congrats guys. Like capsfan387 I have been hoping Bourque would get a shot and he is. How can you not like Laing? And Sloan was the hardest worker and earned a spot.

I can just see all of us hovering over our computers for the next 2 days clicking refresh and hoping we are the first ones to hear what happens with Nyls so that we can comment on it. I know, we negotiate a deal that sends him to Sweden for Forsberg. But seriously, I don't think Forsberg is coming here.

And still waiting to see if GMGM makes a move.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg in DC would be another utter failure and distraction.

Posted by: LarryDavid | September 28, 2009 2:48 PM |

If we signed F-berg to league minimum and he never played a single game, I would consider it a success.

League minimum is key.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Hope the guys have fun playing paintball this afternoon. ;)

Posted by: rachel216 | September 28, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Sorry... clicked submit early

... waiting to see if GMGM makes a move to get Alzner back up here. But for now he is just a victim of circumstance.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

The list of reasons for Forsberg being another failure are too long.

Look at him over past several years for starters, then try real hard to look at the Caps GM when dealing with, literally any human being, you'll find a good reason to express concern.

I doubt Forsberg "wants" DC, most likely DC is the only team that wants Forsberg, which is only if Nylander is in it.

I'll enjoy the continued gong show, that is the mismanagement of the Caps.


Posted by: LarryDavid | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

Completely agreed about Forsberg icehammer - the guy is one of, if not the, greatest two-way players to ever lace 'em up - why wouldn't the Caps take a look?!

Posted by: govtimbo | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

I sort of agree with richmondphil. I don't think we can get him for the minimum but I wonder what it would take.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

The Alzner situation is one that he has to be aware of. He has a HUGE salary hit - bigger than most of our roster-slot D-men. And he did not have an all-out knock'em-dead fantastic camp. Another season in Hershey will not hurt him, and will very probably help with some of the "overplaying" issues that Alzner has at the NHL level.

Karl Alzner is one of the most gracious people I have ever run across, and I can't see him doing anything but working harder over this. He will make the big club; it's only a matter of time.

Posted by: irockthered | September 28, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I doubt Forsberg "wants" DC, most likely DC is the only team that wants Forsberg, which is only if Nylander is in it.


Posted by: LarryDavid | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM |

Haha, what? Foppa said he would only come to a cup contending team. So that means he would enjoy probably being in quite a few different teams.

I also HARDLY doubt that the Caps are the only team looking at one of the best two-way players to ever lace up skates. I only want him here if he signs league minimum, but I guarantee you there are teams who would offer him 1-2 mil.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:08 PM | Report abuse

The Caps don't need Forsberg. The problem is not what they have up front. It is the defense. They still don't have a stud. In the long run, that is the difference between being a second-round team and a finalist.

Posted by: phillyreader | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Completely agreed about Forsberg icehammer - the guy is one of, if not the, greatest two-way players to ever lace 'em up - why wouldn't the Caps take a look?!

Posted by: govtimbo | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM |

Exactly. Again though, I stress league minimum.

Also, don't know if people saw my comment on the last post, but Randy Jones was waived by Philly. Seems like the right move to pick up their former 1st round pick....

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

It's not really a sure thing that Sloan plays opening night w/ 7 other d-men remaining, and only 6 spots...

Posted by: Hatfield223 | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

I agree, depeding on the cap hit, I would love to have Forsberg on the team. He's definitely got some miles on him but he's still only 36. If he stays somewhat healthy it would a nice depth addition.

Posted by: Moose33 | September 28, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Until I hear something official, I'm treating the Forsburg rumors as just that: rumors. Anybody can say anything about anybody; until I hear something official, I'm taking this with a ton of salt, right along with the Nylander rumor mill, although that *something* may happen by tomorrow has a bit more credence, since it came from Boudreau's own mouth.

Posted by: irockthered | September 28, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

I am also worried because Forsberg could muddy up the waters and make it harder for us to move Nyls. Why get a guy who doesn't get playing time at 4.875M when you can get "one of the best two-way players" for half the price.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

The Caps don't need Forsberg. The problem is not what they have up front. It is the defense. They still don't have a stud. In the long run, that is the difference between being a second-round team and a finalist.

Posted by: phillyreader | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM |

Any team needs Forsberg, as long as the price does not affect the team adversely. (like It would do here in Washington, unless we see some creative moves [Nyls out] and signing him to minimum.)

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

It's not really a sure thing that Sloan plays opening night w/ 7 other d-men remaining, and only 6 spots...

Posted by: Hatfield223 | September 28, 2009 3:10 PM


Very true- unless by Thursday, we are with one less D-man...

Posted by: Fro_ | September 28, 2009 3:14 PM | Report abuse

Very true- unless by Thursday, we are with one less D-man...

Posted by: Fro_ | September 28, 2009 3:14 PM |

Don't we still have to be?

I'm not sure, but aren't we still above the salary cap?

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

Alzner has got to be po'd that his salary is keeping him from the big club while Sloan / Schultz keep playing. WOW!

Peter Forsberg - I'm not sure of a full season, but late signing to bolster line-up after Olympics?? Why not...speaking of which - is Forsberg playing in the Olympics??

Posted by: Jaymagz | September 28, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Alexander Ovechkin — $9,538,461
Michael Nylander — $4,875,000
Alexander Semin — $4,600,000
Mike Knuble — $2,800,000
Chris Clark — $2,633,333
Nicklas Backstrom ($1,650,000) $2,400,000
Brooks Laich — $2,066,666
Brendan Morrison — $1,500,000
Matt Bradley — $1,000,000
Boyd Gordon — $761,250
Dave Steckel — $725,000
Chris Bourque — $577,500
Quintin Laing — $500,000
DEFENSEMEN
Mike Green — $5,250,000
Tom Poti — $3,500,000
Brian Pothier — $2,500,000
Shaone Morrisonn — $1,975,000
Milan Jurcina — $1,375,000
John Erskine — $1,250,000
Jeff Schultz — $715,000
Tyler Sloan — $640,000
GOALTENDERS
Jose Theodore — $4,500,000
Simeon Varlamov — $821,666
BUYOUTS
Ben Clymer — $366,667
LOST VIA REENTRY WAIVERS
NONE
CAPGEEK.COM TOTALS
ROSTER SIZE 23
SALARY CAP $56,800,000
PAYROLL $56,870,543
BONUSES $1,650,000
CAP SPACE $1,579,457

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

With the bonus rules we are under the cap but for those who think we are going to move a D so that Alzner can come up then the only ones that make sense are Green, Poti, Pothier and (the obvious choice) Mo.

Of course when Flash and Fehr get back we will be even closer (technically over) to the cap.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:23 PM | Report abuse

For those interested, Peter Forsberg's game just ended in Sweden. His team lost 3-1. Peter scored once, and earned four minor penalties (!!).

I don't see a place for Forsberg on the Caps, unless there's a way to unload Nylander in a deal.

Could someone with better knowledge of NHL/European hockey interaction explain if that's a possibility?

Posted by: vahockeyfan1 | September 28, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

it would be all up to the IIHF and how they interpret it.

However, Foppa is not signed to anyone, so it would not necessarily be a Foppa for Nyls -like trade.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:29 PM | Report abuse

@jerseygirl15

Why would it erode his confidence? He didnt get sent back because of lack of skill or a bad camp, it was a cap situation. His contract made it hard to keep the guy up with the big club.

Plain and simple.

Posted by: Dizzy1205 | September 28, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

@vahockeyfan1

For an NHL player to transfer to Europe, he has to clear waivers here first. Then they assign him to the club over there which he'd be playing for. The club here still pays his salary, but it does not effect the salary cap.

For Forsberg to come here this year there are two different scenarios. First, if he doesn't play another game in Sweden then he is free to sign with whichever team he chooses. If he plays a game over there once the NHL season starts he would have to clear waivers over here.

Posted by: ThePat | September 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil


I just think your asking for trouble signing Foppa. I dont think he can play at that elite a level anymore (although he has proven me wrong before). The point is we have a lot of players that can play that position that are NHL level. You want to bring the guy on to mentor Backstrom? Fine sign him up as a trainer and stay away from the cap hit.

Posted by: Dizzy1205 | September 28, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

The point is we have a lot of players that can play that position that are NHL level. You want to bring the guy on to mentor Backstrom? Fine sign him up as a trainer and stay away from the cap hit.

Posted by: Dizzy1205 | September 28, 2009 3:33 PM

Only one of our centers is better than a one-footed Forsberg. Give us a two-footed Forsberg, at league minimum, and we have a Cup. :)

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

@vahockeyfan1
It's pretty simple. As a veteran player, any movement between the NHL and any other league requires that Nylander be placed on waivers (which also requires the approval of Nylander per his NMC). I'm guessing Nyls does not want a non-contending team to claim him, so we're stuck with him.

Posted by: koalatek | September 28, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

Yes, with 8 D staying maybe the cap was A factor between Alzner and Sloan, but Sloan had a better camp. Alzner outplayed no one who remains in DC. So I disagree that it was simply the cap rather than skills. Maybe it hurts, but he's got to develop a more consistent game.

Posted by: Sonyask | September 28, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Let's think here first. Forsberg? Do we really need another forward? I thought our weaknesses were on D?

If we can ship Nylander, we'll be looking for D-man upgrades, not another forward.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat, with regards to Nyls playing overseas, we get him off of our cap but still have to pay his salary but isn't there a negotiation with the team where he is going on how much of that contract they will pay? I thought they split the cost.

Either way, I would pay the whole thing if it got him off our salary cap.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Let's think here first. Forsberg? Do we really need another forward? I thought our weaknesses were on D?

If we can ship Nylander, we'll be looking for D-man upgrades, not another forward.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 3:38 PM |

You guys are missing the point. No one is actively seeking to get Forsberg.

But are you telling me that signing the best two-way player ever to a 500K contract, who has shown TWICE that he can come back from injuries/not playing and still rip it up, would not be a good idea? If Foppa came to GMGM and said, "sign me for league minimum," you are telling me you would be mad if he did it?

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

@pkendrick

Nice post on the salaries, but although you'd lose a half-million to the cap, I'd send Jurcina down first for Alzner. IMO, MJ phoned it in for several games last season, was lazy with the puck in our end in the playoffs, and needs a wake-up call.

Posted by: DH32forHHOF | September 28, 2009 3:40 PM | Report abuse

Nice post on the salaries, but although you'd lose a half-million to the cap, I'd send Jurcina down first for Alzner. IMO, MJ phoned it in for several games last season, was lazy with the puck in our end in the playoffs, and needs a wake-up call.

Posted by: DH32forHHOF | September 28, 2009 3:40 PM |

Juice has to go through waivers though. (which might be what we want anyway...ShaMo or Juice getting picked off waivers)

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

According to one story, the KHL was initially interested in Forsberg until he told them what he wanted in salary. They choked, then passed on him being part of their league. So it may take more than Nylander Cap space to get him. And if his ankles again go wonky, then .....

Posted by: Varly | September 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

An update worth waiting for -thanks!

Posted by: Riddler1 | September 28, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

@DH32forHHOF

I wasn't saying to send someone to Hershey in order to bring up Alzner. I was saying GMGM would have to trade someone to get him up. They wouldn't put one of last year's 7 D on waivers because then someone could get them and we would get nothing in return. I mentioned Mo because with Alzner's bonuses his salary his is 1.6M which is more then Juice, Erskine, Schultz or Sloan.

Technically we are 70K over the cap (if I remember correctly the bonuses can be moved to next years cap) so if we move Mo and his 1.975M and bring up Alzner and his 1.6M then we are definitely under the cap.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

1.@LarryDavid - Yep, totally mismanaged franchise-most entertaining team in the league, SC contender, solid depth, etc. Very insightful comment.
2.Urgent memo from Dan Snyder - "Sign Forsberg ASAP to $30M, 5 year contract with no-trade clause!"

Posted by: zmega | September 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

According to one story, the KHL was initially interested in Forsberg until he told them what he wanted in salary. They choked, then passed on him being part of their league. So it may take more than Nylander Cap space to get him. And if his ankles again go wonky, then .....

Posted by: Varly | September 28, 2009 3:43 PM |

Like I have been stressing from the start, if he is asking for the money we all think he will be asking for,then he won't be here. Plain and simple.

I would love Foppa here at league minimum, but I am sure there are NHL teams who can afford to throw a couple mil. on a gamble like him. Caps just cannot.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil,

I'm with you on signing Forsberg for the league minimum. It's worth as much of shot as it was signing Feds for $4 million.

Our young Russians got Fedorov for a year and change- why not give Backs some help for $500K per year for a year or 2?

Posted by: Fro_ | September 28, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

@DH32forHHOF - Capgeek.com is a great resource for those Arm Chair GMs

@richmondphil - we don't want someone to take them off waivers when we get nothing when we can trade them and get something.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Only one of our centers is better than a one-footed Forsberg. Give us a two-footed Forsberg, at league minimum, and we have a Cup. :)

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:36 PM

Forsberg wouldn't help us as much as Federov did last year, and did we win the Cup? And any team in the league, if they could, would take Backstrom or Semin at their present salaries over Forsberg at the minimum, and probably play them on the first line.

Posted by: DH32forHHOF | September 28, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

@Varly

Interesting rumor. Agreeing with the other posters; no way Forsberg is worth the cap space Nylander would free up.

I'm just saying, its interesting BB said there would be clarity on the Nylander situation tomorrow, a day after Forsberg's game in Sweden.

Posted by: vahockeyfan1 | September 28, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

I don't know much about Forsberg as a person, however. Does anyone know if his ego would get in the way of him playing for $500 K? I really don't know.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 28, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg wouldn't help us as much as Federov did last year, and did we win the Cup? And any team in the league, if they could, would take Backstrom or Semin at their present salaries over Forsberg at the minimum, and probably play them on the first line.

Posted by: DH32forHHOF | September 28, 2009 3:47 PM |

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say with that last statement. I agree with you....all 30 teams would take Semin or Backstrom over Forsberg. Now..what does this have to do with anything?

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:51 PM | Report abuse

I don't know much about Forsberg as a person, however. Does anyone know if his ego would get in the way of him playing for $500 K? I really don't know.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 28, 2009 3:50 PM

Personally, I don't see him signing for that much at all. Like I said, I beleive there are teams who can afford to bury some players in the A and throw a few mil. on a gamble like Foppa. (see Philly..who just waived Randy Jones)


Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON CAPITALS SEASON STATISTICS
Through 82 games
2009-10 Season

FORSBERG, Peter
GP 16
G 1
A 2
P 3
+/- -3
PIM 28MIN
SOG 20
PPG 1
PPA 1
GWG 0
ATOI 8:30

Posted by: justbrewit | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Based on the salary numbers above, over 21% of the team's overall payroll is accounted for by 3 players who at best contribute nothing (Clark, Theodore, Nylander). I know that this is the nature of the business but still you can't help but imagine how good this team would be if you lowered that figure to 15%, 10%, 5% or 0%.

And yes, I understand that Clark is supposedly a great leader and brings lots of intangibles, but the only people who say this are those who never actually set foot in the locker room (i.e. fans, etc...). The one fact that is indisuputable is that this team is capable of excelling without him (as well as the other 2 duds)on the ice.

Posted by: LesGrossman | September 28, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

Assuming that Nylander stays here, and that Forsberg is demanding league minimum (for which I would say "pass the pipe"), I still wouldn't sign him. I believe that we're at the league max of 24 roster players. Who do you send down? What team will pick them up off of waiver wires? you're betting that Forsberg can get the Caps a Cup this year, but at the expense of losing Bourque or some other player?

No. Let Forsberg stay in Europe.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Also, you have to figure that if Sloan is guaranteed to be on the opening night roster then one of the 7 incumbent defensemen will not be.

Posted by: LesGrossman | September 28, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

I'm not exactly sure what you are trying to say with that last statement. I agree with you....all 30 teams would take Semin or Backstrom over Forsberg. Now..what does this have to do with anything?

Posted by: richmondphil

I apologize. Although "center" was right there in front of me in black and white, I thought you said "forward". Senior moment.

Posted by: DH32forHHOF | September 28, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

So where's Tarik?

Posted by: Hatfield223 | September 28, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

@LesGrossman

Throwing Clarkie in there is kind of a cheap shot. He gets 2.6M while Theo and Nyls both make way more then that. Those 2 take up 16% and thankfully we should be done with both of those contracts soon.

Whatever happens with Nyls happens but does anyone see Theo back after this year?

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

In any event- it will be interesting to see what happens over the next day or 2.

Anyone heading to a bar to watch the game thursday? We did Mr. Days in Arlington for a bunch of away games last season- seemed to work out fairly well. I think Thirsty Bernies near Glebe and Lee Hwy was another spot folks went too.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Assuming that Nylander stays here, and that Forsberg is demanding league minimum (for which I would say "pass the pipe"), I still wouldn't sign him. I believe that we're at the league max of 24 roster players. Who do you send down? What team will pick them up off of waiver wires? you're betting that Forsberg can get the Caps a Cup this year, but at the expense of losing Bourque or some other player?

No. Let Forsberg stay in Europe.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 3:58 PM |

Well...first, that assumption does not even hold. For Foppa to come here..Nyls will be gone. So, no, we would not lose anyone.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg coming here isn't going to happen for a number of reasons;

1) we don't need him.
2) salary cap issues.
3) roster issues.
4) 36 year old,with one working foot.
5) He isn't going to sign for league minimum.
6) Other teams (like Philly) can afford to throw a couple million at him.


The list goes on.

If we can sign Foppa to league minimum, then I would love for that to happen. That is all.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

The priority for Forsberg is to play for a contender and Backs have publicly stated that he thinks Foppa is a perfect fit. I doubt he'll demand an unreasonable amount. Holmgren still has a man crush on him so Flyers may take another shot at him and they have money to spend. Foppa has been very physical since he's been back, scoring in all three games and getting into two brawls. He said today that he will make a decision soon (tomorrow or the day after).

Posted by: jakopz | September 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S - the roster limit is 23 players

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

The priority for Forsberg is to play for a contender and Backs have publicly stated that he thinks Foppa is a perfect fit. I doubt he'll demand an unreasonable amount. Holmgren still has a man crush on him so Flyers may take another shot at him and they have money to spend. Foppa has been very physical since he's been back, scoring in all three games and getting into two brawls. He said today that he will make a decision soon (tomorrow or the day after).

Posted by: jakopz | September 28, 2009 4:06 PM |

Glad to have a Swedish voice on the subject. :)

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Well...first, that assumption does not even hold. For Foppa to come here..Nyls will be gone. So, no, we would not lose anyone.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:02 PM

With Forsberg at NHL minimum, there's room without moving anyone. The problem then becomes numbers. Since Nylander can't/won't move, it's all rather academic.

I won't be pre-ordering any Forsberg as a Cap gear anytime soon if ever.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I dont know, it could be because I have always had a man-crush on Foppa.
Like I know some of you LOVED when Fedorov was on the team, since you know..he was your favorite superstar in the 90s or whatever. Well, for me (outside Caps players), it was Forsberg. I have always loved the dude. Seeing him in a Caps sweater would probably bring a tear to my eye.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S - the roster limit is 23 players

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 4:06 PM

OK. Even worse. I'm darn sure we have 23.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

With Forsberg at NHL minimum, there's room without moving anyone. The problem then becomes numbers. Since Nylander can't/won't move, it's all rather academic.

I won't be pre-ordering any Forsberg as a Cap gear anytime soon if ever.

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 4:15 PM |

Yeah, I know. But, carrying over from last post, the Forsberg supporters including myself, are only calling for him if Nyls was moved.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@Greg S - the roster limit is 23 players

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 4:06 PM

OK. Even worse. I'm darn sure we have 23.

Posted by: Greg S.

We are at 23 right now (Flash and Fehr on IR and Neuvy not technically moved yet puts us at 26)

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Where the heck did Forsberg get the nickname "Foppa?!" That's about the worst nickname I've *ever* heard, LOL!

Posted by: irockthered | September 28, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It's either his Swedish name or the Cyrillic transliteration of it.

Foppa rules.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

If healthy Forsberg is a great defensive center. That would be very useful when playing a team like Pittsburgh with their depth at center. Look at Detroit, they slowed down Crosby with great defense play by their centers. No one is saying to play him 20 minutes a game, but if he is healthy he could be very helpful in slowing down Crosby and the other Penguins centers while also adding a little offense.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 28, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

Any other team in the league, he's on the ice opening night.

Posted by: jerseygirl15 | September 28, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

no way. I know we like to overhype our own prospects but no way does Alz crack every defensive lineup in the NHL. Unless you think the Caps have the best defense in the NHL. I'd say he could crack around 10 starting lineups in the league but no one's top 4 even. Not right now.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 28, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

WASHINGTON CAPITALS SEASON STATISTICS
Through 82 games
2009-10 Season

FORSBERG, Peter
GP 16
G 1
A 2
P 3
+/- -3
PIM 28MIN
SOG 20
PPG 1
PPA 1
GWG 0
ATOI 8:30

Posted by: justbrewit | September 28, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

I guess the 14 points in 9 games he put up in Colorado in 07/08 with 5 points in 7 playoff games mean nothing. Even with his injuries when he plays he is still good considering he has only once been under a point per game (when he had 55 points in 57 games). That is why I talked about him splitting time with B. Mo. They both can get games off and keep their bodies healthy for the playoffs. As for not needing him and instead getting more defense, who do you get? It is not like there is a top defender that is still out there. The D we have is the D we must win with. The only way to change that is with a trade during the season as no one is going to trade a top D-man now this close to the start of the season. As long as the Caps sign him to a one year deal at near the league min then what is the harm? He has never been known as a cancer or anything like that so it is not like he is going to come in and hurt the chemistry of the team.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 28, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong -
Say Nyls accepts a team movement to Europe and a deal is in place. He stills has to go through waivers to get there. However, a NHL team claims him. My understanding is that his $4.6 mil salary & cap hit is split between the Caps and the new team. Also, Nyls may not want to play for that NHL team, say Colorado, and he nixes the deal. Then the deal to Europe is buried.

Posted by: puckman | September 28, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Post reporters: give us something more! There has to be some real news floating around inside Kettler. Is there anything really happening with Nylander, or are we fooling ourselves, and we'll simply watch him sit in the press box all season long?

Posted by: kcbrichmond | September 28, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

@puckman

I believe once he goes on the waiver wire to go DOWN if someone picks him up then they get the whole contract. If it's on the way up that it is split (someone correct me if I have it backwards).

Also, I don't think he can nix a waiver wire pickup like he could a trade. He has to agree to go on waivers but that's it.

Posted by: pkendrick | September 28, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

If Forsberg becomes a Cap, I'll eat a puck.

Posted by: thiazzi | September 28, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

If a journeyman minor leaguer (Sloan) was our 'best defenseman in camp' according to Boudreau, what does that say about the other players on the blueline????

Don't get me wrong, I like Sloan, but I already had serious doubts about GMGMs ability to effectively evaluate defensemen (esp given his pathetic track record in this regard since he's been making the personnel decisions) and this doesn't make me feel any better about the situation.

Posted by: chombie13 | September 28, 2009 5:04 PM | Report abuse

Its sad to see Alzner go down but I know there will be injuries on defense that is a fact of the game. This team will be a good regular season team regardless of which 7 D stay with the team. Its important that by April we have the best 7 with the team - in the meantime I just don't care. Getting 110 points does not matter unless its followed by a deep Stanley Cup run with healthy hungry players.

Posted by: yesisaiditfirst | September 28, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Supposedly, the Nylander situation will be resolved Tuesday or Wednesday. How will it be resolved? Good question.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | September 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

@ fro_ I have been to both for games before, as well as Hard times, (the new upstairs is completely blanketed with TV's and the Front Page, which is the "official" bar for Caps away games, being across the street from Kettler and all. Not sure where I will be thursday.

Posted by: doncosmic | September 28, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

Wonder if Semin caught the same thing I have. I started getting a headache near the end of Caps Con and initially attributed it to the loud music and not eating right. Then I felt queasy on the ride home. Must have a low grade virus. I'm not that sick but not feeling "right" either.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | September 28, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

@rachel216

Wonder if poor Neuvy's too hurt to join the other guys. Wonder if Semin joined them since he's feeling "under the weather".

Posted by: CapsFan75 | September 28, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

puckman, what team do you think would pick up nylander and his contract and NMC if he was placed on waivers? i think if it was a team nylander would agree to go to, he'd be there already.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

I hope to see Alzner back. But then Peerless Prognosticator put the situation in perspective with an earlier post this month on Alzner. Of the first round D men from his class, he's the only one with NHL experience and the others have barely had any AHL experience.

D-men do take longer to develop. (Methinks that we'll be trading some D-men by this time next year to make room for Alzner and Carlson.) If anything, Alzner and Carlson looked good as a defensive pairing together and will probably be paired together at Hershey.

Sloaner is probably a great example of a late maturing defenseman and a "feel good" story.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | September 28, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@pkendrick I believe the Stars and Rangers are splitting Avery's contract and believe it was on recall waivers.

The problem is Nyls may not agree to waivers for the simple reason some team might be willing to pick him up for $2.3 mil. A team he does not want to play for! This could be the reason he wants no part of playing in Europe beacuse the the way waivers works.

Posted by: puckman | September 28, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations to C Bo for making the team. One of the posters on the Japer's Rink blog linked up a picture of Ray Bourque with the Stanley Cup in celebration.

C Bo is a "little French guy who could". So was Aucoin, but, in the end, it makes more sense to go with youth.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | September 28, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

icehammer you're exactly right, Forsberg has three times come back from bad injuries and totally dominated - and as the Wings, Pens and Avs showed, you need 2 scoring lines [which B's rarely have]:

1. led NHL playoffs in scoring - while Avs didn't even make the finals [Roy shat the bad];!
2. Led Sweden to Olympic gold;
3. Tore it up on return to Avs, 14 pts in 9 games, including 9 asts in last 3 games, and Avs best playoff performer.

Gretzky himself said Forsberg was perhaps the greatest big-game player ever - I'd say he's worth a look!

Posted by: govtimbo | September 28, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Completely agreed about Forsberg icehammer - the guy is one of, if not the, greatest two-way players to ever lace 'em up - why wouldn't the Caps take a look?!

Posted by: govtimbo | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM |

he's no where near the caliber of two way players that Messier or Fedorov was so enough with the hyperbole

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Does anyone remember how bad Forsberg looked in the last 2 yrs he played? I don't know...this looks like a Redskins move.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 28, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil

I'm now in your corner on Forsberg, but only to watch thiazzi eat a puck.

thiazzi, you want ketchup with that puck?

Posted by: Greg S. | September 28, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

@chombie13
Alzner and Carlson are in the top 25 of prospects NHL-wide. You don't know what you are talking about. And you're the one with the busted talent-goggles if you don't recognize Carlson's promise. I swear, he's the next Scott Stevens. He's just not going to be ready until probably 2012. And, Jesus man, GM picked Mike Green. Is he not good enough for you?

@icehammer97
The only problem I saw with justbrewit's projection is the PIM: Forsberg's two years older and out of practice. Back a couple years ago he was ALREADY a step behind and taking penalties to keep up. There is no reason to think he's faster and stronger now. He's getting AT LEAST 2 minutes per game. And that's WITH the 8:00 ATOI.

Forsberg's mentorship value is a big upside, but we can't afford to bring him on because our PK isn't good enough. Plus, he's going to want too much money.

Posted by: large23220 | September 28, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

LarryDavid your zingers are old. Tell me, how does someone enjoy life knowing everyone wants to leave a room when they enter?

Posted by: fanohock1 | September 28, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

@chombie13
Alzner and Carlson are in the top 25 of prospects NHL-wide. You don't know what you are talking about. And you're the one with the busted talent-goggles if you don't recognize Carlson's promise. I swear, he's the next Scott Stevens. He's just not going to be ready until probably 2012. And, Jesus man, GM picked Mike Green. Is he not good enough for you?

Posted by: large23220 | September 28, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Carlson is NOT the Scott Stevens type.. Dale Hunter who was his junior coach compared Carlson to Larry Murphy. Hunter would know since he played with both Stevens and Murphy.

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

Also, is nobody else concerned that we just put the reigning AHL scoring champ (who put up historic numbers) on waivers?

I expect they're both gone within the 48 hrs.

Honestly, I'm sadder that Aucoin's going. Giroux's total inabilty to finish versus NHL goalies was really frustrating, and probably irremediable. He's a machine built to rip AHL-caliber goalies apart. And no more.

It's a shame we couldn't have traded him and gotten something in return.

Posted by: large23220 | September 28, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

giroux fails continously to show he can translate his AHL success to the NHL. if he gets snatched up, well then what can we do? we can't just keep him up here because we're afraid to lose him, rather give the spot to someone who can make an impact on the NHL level

Posted by: capsfan387 | September 28, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg???? Come on people!!! Seriously?

Posted by: HemmedUp | September 28, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

@hemmed

haha you said exactly what i wanted to say but didn't. i think it's silly that we would even want him. i like our team the way it is and we got what we needed in the offseason. adding a guy like him would be more complications then success

Posted by: capsfan387 | September 28, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

joek443

Forsberg in his prime was easily a better two wayer than Feds and Messier; he added a physical component they didn't have. Foppa never had a minus rating in any of his 13 seasons and he's overall total is 242!

cstanton1

I've seen the most of the three games he's played this year and aside from the first game, he's back to his old self. Gus was very impressed with him and several writes gave him 5 stars (highest, and rare rating) in the last two games.
***Just reported that Foppa has a stress fracture in his crappy foot*** It doesn't say how it impacts his future though...

Posted by: jakopz | September 28, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

For those of you discussing the Forsberg issue, I just read that he has revealed that he his dealing with a stress fracture in one of his feet. Over the years, he has been one of the dominant NHLers, but at this stage of his career and with the team the Caps have put together, I doubt there is much of a chance or any real reason to bring him into the picture. We have plenty of leadership and skill. Now, if Forsberg had expressed the same interest 6 years ago...

Posted by: gonchpup | September 28, 2009 6:26 PM | Report abuse

joek443

Forsberg in his prime was easily a better two wayer than Feds and Messier; he added a physical component they didn't have. Foppa never had a minus rating in any of his 13 seasons and he's overall total is 242!


Posted by: jakopz | September 28, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

he only played in just over 700 games and scored less than 900 points. that's about half the production of Messier and about 300 points less than Feds.

yes he was great when healthy but longevity is part of greatness... unless you're Bobby Orr or Sandy Koufax. Forsberg simply wasn't in enough games to be compared to Messier or Feds.

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

Also you obviously didn't watch enough games Messier played in because if you thnk Forsberg was more physical than Messier, you dont' know much about hockey. Guys simply stopped challenging him to a fight after he showed what he could do to them.

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

from what I've seen thus far Sloan can skate - WOW can he skate! Alzner will be here, eventually. Moving Nyls and his $4.8m has to be in the cards & soon. only problem is he has a say in any deal. will be interesting.

Posted by: rockdaredlangely | September 28, 2009 6:55 PM | Report abuse

one more thing on Forsberg... he was such a great two way player than he won ZERO Selke trophy.. Feds won two

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 7:00 PM | Report abuse

tominfl, I guess that is the first two out of three bets we made at the beginning of the summer that went my way. Bet number two was whether or not Aucoin would play the whole season in Washington.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | September 28, 2009 7:32 PM | Report abuse

Joek

our opinions differ on what makes a great two wayer. I am biased because I played against Foppa in my early teens and he was a monster. And by physical I don't mean fights - you dont win games by fighting. Points or Ability to fight don't mean much when evaluating two wayers; it's whether or not you're winning as a result of you being on the ice. Either way, this is all a moot point since Foppa's foot seems to be crap after all.

Posted by: jakopz | September 28, 2009 8:00 PM | Report abuse

Congratulations Bourque, Laing and Sloan for making the opening night roster for the Caps. Nice to see hard work and perserverance pay off for these guys, especially Sloan who at age 28 is in the prime of his career. Though I like Alzner a lot I don't think he is ready yet for the big club especially after some bad performances in preseason games and Sloan has just outplayed him all training camp and preseason, but Alzner could still play with the big club later in the season with injuries an evitability. I've always had a softstop for Sloan ever since he was called up last year to play in his first NHL game with the Caps in his hometown of Calgary and it's nice to see such a nice guy get rewarded for all of his hard work.

Posted by: theresa21 | September 28, 2009 8:28 PM | Report abuse

And by physical I don't mean fights - you dont win games by fighting

jakopz--


maybe not as much anymore :)

forsberg was a great player in his prime no doubt. I would not take a chance on a guy just because he looks good in 3 games in some swedish league. That's crazy. He won't be able to take the NHL pounding anymore and his feet and ankles are a mess.

Messier was tough, he was also a nasty cheapshot artist who threw more elbows than any other player not named Tocchet. I laugh at some of the hysterical newer fans who think that current day cheap shots are so terrible. Guys like Messier would do that every other game. He broke players' jaws with sucker punches, he used his stick liberally and he elbowed anyone that tried to hit him. He was ALSO a great player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 28, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

jakopz comment about Forsberg's latest stress fracture should end that entire discussion once and for all.

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 28, 2009 8:38 PM | Report abuse

Can we call him "The Q"? Great to see him back, and maybe to stay. Has about as much offensive upside as a zamboni, but a pure team player and a great defensive asset. Is it too early to start the Selke campaign for Laing?

Posted by: oldtimehockey | September 28, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

"Forsberg in his prime was easily a better two wayer than Feds and Messier"

wow....really? ok...

Posted by: chrislarry | September 28, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

My hockey stick hurts reading these posts.....

Posted by: HemmedUp | September 28, 2009 9:24 PM | Report abuse

Chrislarry.

Not only in my opinion but if Gretzky says so, I'll take it.

Posted by: jakopz | September 28, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

Re: Foppa - if he'll come in for an incentive laden contract which has a base close to league minimum, then why not? Of course, noone expects him to be the same player as the one who hoisted Cups in Colorado, but he doesn't have to be. It's a worthy move if for no other reason than to keep him off the roster of a potential playoff rival. You think it wouldn't have benefited the Caps to have gotten Bill Guerin near the trade deadline instead of him going to the Pens?

On that note, anyone know how many pro contracts the Caps currently have? The limit of 50 posed a problem in the Caps quest to get Guerin. So, the same situation may be at play here whether the Caps want Forsberg, or any other player. The next few days could prove interesting as some unexpected names may appear on the waiver wire, so just curious to know how much maneuvering room the Caps have.

On 'D' men, I remember a stretch last season when as many as 7 Bears were playing for the Caps. Unfortunately, we will probably get to see Alzner and Carlson due to a repeat of that scenario. And, keep in mind that if, indeed, McPhee is trying to move a D-man of two, the best way to make that happen is to showcase them early in the season. Sending guys down who may have to clear waivers risks losing them for nothing and also de-values their worth in the eyes of other GMs. So, McPhee commenting that Sloan was the best blueliner in camp shouldn't be read as an indictment of the veterans, but rather as an attempt to raise his stock should he be included in a deal in the short term.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 28, 2009 9:33 PM | Report abuse

@MetalCapsFan

Why not? This is why not:

"I can hardly walk, but it feels OK when I skate," Forsberg said. "I'm going to let this stress fracture heal, but I am not sure that I am ready for the NHL yet. We will see. I will make a decision the next couple of weeks."

Posted by: tmac2yao | September 28, 2009 10:08 PM | Report abuse

Ahh, didn't see those comments, so prob not the best time to entertain bringing Foppa in. Still, if he manages to continue playing in Europe, makes the Swedish Olympic team and does well in the tournament, it's possible some NHL team might take a chance on him. Anyone know the drop dead date for a player to sign an NHL contract and be eligible to play for a team that same season and into the playoffs?

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | September 28, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

Completely agreed about Forsberg icehammer - the guy is one of, if not the, greatest two-way players to ever lace 'em up - why wouldn't the Caps take a look?!

Posted by: govtimbo | September 28, 2009 3:04 PM |

he's no where near the caliber of two way players that Messier or Fedorov was so enough with the hyperbole

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 5:37 PM |

God, you make my brain hurt.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but the statement "Forsberg is no where near the two-way caliber player of Messier or Fedorov" seems far far more of a stretch than "Forsberg is one of the best two way players ever."

Maybe it's just me...maybe Mario Lemiux is the best Pker ever. I don't know anymore.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 11:18 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me, but the statement "Forsberg is no where near the two-way caliber player of Messier or Fedorov" seems far far more of a stretch than "Forsberg is one of the best two way players ever."

Maybe it's just me...maybe Mario Lemiux is the best Pker ever. I don't know anymore.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

Maybe it's just me...maybe Mario Lemiux is the best Pker ever. I don't know anymore.

Posted by: richmondphil | September 28, 2009 11:19 PM | Report abuse

I think you're finally onto something...

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 11:51 PM | Report abuse

Messier was tough, he was also a nasty cheapshot artist who threw more elbows than any other player not named Tocchet. I laugh at some of the hysterical newer fans who think that current day cheap shots are so terrible. Guys like Messier would do that every other game. He broke players' jaws with sucker punches, he used his stick liberally and he elbowed anyone that tried to hit him. He was ALSO a great player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 28, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

the guy had over 1800 points plus just as many penalty minutes. he's easily one of the 5 best hockey player of all time. Comparing Forsberg to him is a joke.

Posted by: joek443 | September 28, 2009 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Mario Lemieux scored 13 shorties in one year.. half the guys on the Caps don't score that many goals in one whole season

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 12:06 AM | Report abuse

NHL career shorthanded goal leaders

Wayne Gretzky (73)

Mark Messier (63)

Steve Yzerman (50)

Mario Lemieux (49)

Butch Goring (40)

Dave Poulin (39)

Jari Kurri (37)

Sergei Federov (36)

where is Forsberg???

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 12:13 AM | Report abuse

Joek,

I'm sorry but if you keep thinking that drawing penalty minutes is a good thing, I am afraid you don't know much about hockey. Mark was a great leader but he was in the negative in his last 7 seasons which makes it pretty clear who he ows his fame to...yes, 99.

And the two Stanleys, two Olympics, and two World cups...all before Foppa was 34. As much as I appreciate Mess, he wasn't up to Foppa's quality but he was one of the best leaders, no doubt.

Posted by: jakopz | September 29, 2009 12:17 AM | Report abuse

jakopz, you're entitled to your opinion but if you think Peter Forsberg was a better hockey player than Mark Messier, you are in very very small minority.

Mark Messier is this generation's Gordie Howe, like I said essily one of the 5 best NHL hockey players of all time.

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Also it's Wayne Gretzky who NEVER won another Stanley Cup without Mark Messier... Messier won two more Stanley Cups without Gretzky.

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 12:24 AM | Report abuse

I think if they can get a deal overseas that Nyls will agree to, then the Caps would put him through waivers with a gentlemen's agreement with the rest of the league to let him through waivers.

Posted by: estuart0 | September 29, 2009 12:27 AM | Report abuse

Messier played on better teams than Gretzky after Wayne got traded.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | September 29, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I think Forsberg vs. Messier in both of their primes would be a difficult decision for anyone. They're similar players in terms of competitiveness, but Messier is no doubt the leader of the two.

Forsberg was never one to shy away from hitting/contact, but Messier would gladly drop the gloves.

Forsberg probably has more skill than Messier, but Mess brings all those other intangibles...I'd probably take Messier.

Regardless, both are world class players.

Posted by: Jaymagz | September 29, 2009 12:37 AM | Report abuse

how do you figure Forsberg was more skilled than Messier, because he is a Euro?

Forsberg never scored more than 30 goals in a season and had only two 100 point seasons.

Messier scored over 30 goals 8 times and had 6 100-point seasons in his first 13 seasons in the NHL.

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Also Forsberg wasn't even the best player in Colorado, it was Sakic.

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 1:04 AM | Report abuse

Joke- need I remind you of your earlier comments?

"Mario Lemieux is the best PKer ever"

"Montreal was never really Boston's rival"

I mean how can you really expect to be taken seriously after making comments like this. Regardless if you're right on this or not. I wouldn't be surprised to hear you say that The Russian Rocket was the best Power Forward of all time. You blew it dude and everybody here knows it. You got no cred bro.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | September 29, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Who was the silly person who said we should pick up XXX on waivers? Who remembers kris beech?

Picking up someone on waivers right now to send down to Hershey is pointless. They have to go through waivers on their way down and they get picked up by another team. The poor kid was on four different teams January of last year.

Whomever mentioned being scared about sending that awesome AHL scorer we have down to Hershey, I think we can all agree that he's not NHL ready, and is a perpetual tweener. Whether the statement I just made is true or not, it's accompanied by a *wink wink*

Posted by: Raber | September 29, 2009 3:08 AM | Report abuse

Forsberg isn't the two way player he used to be (if he ever really was one). On Forsberg: http://www.hockey-reference.com/leaders/goals_sh_career.html

Yay for stats!

* Forsberg hasn't scored a SHG in at least 123 NHL games (he scored one in 05-06 and I don't know when it was...)
* Forsberg averaged between :03 and :04 seconds of SH time per game during his last 2 years playing in the NHL.
* Forsberg is tied for 103 in career SHG at 16. EX-Caps above Forsberg:

Jean Pronovost
Bill Collins
Bengt-Ake Gustafsson
Trevor Linden
Mike Ridley
Mike Grier
Mike Gartner
Esa Tikkanen
Peter Bondra
Dave Poulin

ALL THAT BEING SAID, Forsberg has never posted a season where he was on the - side of +/-. I personally think the guy's body has been through too much to play in the NHL anymore - especially in a league where speed is the new emphasis. We should build from within - but hopefully that includes coming up with a solution to our little Nylander problem.

Posted by: Raber | September 29, 2009 3:48 AM | Report abuse

Joke- need I remind you of your earlier comments?

"Mario Lemieux is the best PKer ever"

"Montreal was never really Boston's rival"

I mean how can you really expect to be taken seriously after making comments like this. Regardless if you're right on this or not. I wouldn't be surprised to hear you say that The Russian Rocket was the best Power Forward of all time. You blew it dude and everybody here knows it. You got no cred bro.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | September 29, 2009 2:43 AM | Report abuse

Like I give a darn what a bunch of hockey geeks who get excited and pissed off over a preseason game think.. LMAO

Posted by: joek443 | September 29, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

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