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McPhee encouraged by Ovechkin's improvement

GM George McPhee said he wouldn't be surprised if Alex Ovechkin returns in time for this weekend's games.

"He's doing well," McPhee said. "As we said, it will be week to week. We weren't sure whether he could play this past weekend, and we'll see if he can play this weekend. He's that close, but we'll be smart about it. You just never know with this player."

McPhee also said Alexander Semin suffered a minor injury Friday in Florida and played hurt Saturday. Semin came off the ice early today, but is expected to return to practice tomorrow.

I recall Semin getting hit by Panthers defenseman Keith Ballard and then rotating his right wrist on the bench afterward.

"He got banged up Friday night in Florida and toughed it out Saturday night," McPhee said. "Today was a good opportunity if some guys needed a little bit more [rest]. I would rather not disclose what the injury is."

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  November 9, 2009; 2:05 PM ET
 
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C A P S, caps! caps! caps!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | November 9, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

McPhee also said Alexander Semin suffered a minor injury Friday in Florida and played hurt Saturday. Semin came off the ice early today, but is expected to return to practice tomorrow.

_______________________

Hah, some of you posters called that one.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so the story is.

The Caps have put Nylander on waivers.
Nylander has agreed to waive his NMC.
The Caps have assigned Nylander to Hershey.
The Caps will not re-call Nylander, hence making the re-entry waivers debate, moot.
The Caps are now free of his salary cap hit, but still have to pay him.

Is this all correct?

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

@JSChon

No. Haven't assigned him anywhere I don't think. He's just in limbo. Skating in Rockville and going home.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

It was hard not to see that Semin was injured, unless one is just interested in bashing him...

Rest up Sasha -- you're too critical to this team to play through the pain and aggravate it.

Posted by: Sonyask | November 9, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if the Caps paid Nylander to waive his NMC.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | November 9, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Ok, so the story is.

The Caps have put Nylander on waivers.
Nylander has agreed to waive his NMC.
The Caps have assigned Nylander to Hershey.
The Caps will not re-call Nylander, hence making the re-entry waivers debate, moot.
The Caps are now free of his salary cap hit, but still have to pay him.

Is this all correct?

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

@JSChon

No. Haven't assigned him anywhere I don't think. He's just in limbo. Skating in Rockville and going home.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 2:31 PM

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What I'm unclear about is this: Can we send Nyls to Hershey at this point, or does his NMC mean we can't? He had to waive the NMC to be put on waivers, but I don't know whether we can assign him without his say-so.

Posted by: Raber | November 9, 2009 2:36 PM | Report abuse

From what I understand is that we can send him to Hershey. Nylander gave up his only bargaining chip once he waived his NMC.

I mean he could say, No, but that wouldn't be smart. They have to have something already in place for him.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

He has to waive it again to go wherever he goes next. That's not going to be an issue, he wouldn't have waived it to begin with if he wasn't going to waive it to be moved.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

I would agree with most. Nylander's days are done in Washington (which I think is too bad).

I really do think he is going to Detroit. Detroit has worked with the Caps when they had a need (ie Robert Lang). And with all their salaries out to long term injuries, it only makes sense.

Now...do the caps take someone back to allievate the cap number of Detroit..that is what I think the delay is.

Who knows...maybe they throw something else in of value? A player from Hershey..?

Forsberg would be nice..unless it puts us in the same situation with Nylander here...which means no Alzner and Carlson (which is what we need)...

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 9, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

The Caps said Nyls would not play for them again, they however did not say they would recall him and then another team can take him off the caps hands for half price, which at the end of the day is going to happen now that he has cleared waivers. No team would take him at full price, but someone is going to take him at half price.

Posted by: RichC3 | November 9, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

BTW..Nylander in hershey still hits our cap number (because he has a 1 way deal)...so I doubt that is a solution.

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 9, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

It seems that nothing has really happened with Nylander, at least technically, in my understanding:

1. His NMC still allows him to prevent assignment/loan/waiver claim AFTER passing waivers.
2. Until such assignment/loan/waiver claim goes through with his approval, the Caps keep eating the cap hit.

However, since passing waivers is a requirement to getting rid of Nyls, the fact that the Caps have only now put him through that, gives a strong signal that they think something is imminent.

It's not yet fire, but, lots of smoke!

Posted by: VladG | November 9, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Tarik twitter update:

Nylander mulling move to Dynamo of the KHL.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@sinking caps

You are wrong...1 way contract has nothing to do with salary cap. Just means he gets that money no matter where he plays. If he'd go to Hershey he is off the salary cap.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

sinkingcaps, not true.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

actually Dynamo is who Tarik believs it is. not necessarily them.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 2:48 PM | Report abuse

RichC3: I find it extremely unlikely the Caps will expose Nylander to recall waivers. Sure, they'd gain $2.4M prorated in cap space going forward this year, which is better than nothing. But they can't afford that hit next year with backstrom, Semin and Flash likely getting about $7M in raises.

They are better off to just leave him in limbo the rest of the season (worst case) and pay him but have no cap hit. Then at year's end they can assign him to Hershey and be rid of the hit permanently.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Not that it really matters since he isn't going to agree to go to Hershey, but if he did go there he would no longer couint against cap. 1-way or 2-way deal has nothing to do with cap, just salary (paid less in AHL in 2-way deal)

Posted by: mikebrady1 | November 9, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Ovie, Green, Semin, Steckel, Flash etc. injured ... can one call it "good karma" for the rest of the season and the playoffs?

... they can rest a little bit and be ready to "rock the red" during the playoffs ... at least a minimum of 81 games left ;-)

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 9, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

I thought I was right. If Nylander gets assigned to Hershey, he is off of the books in regards to the SC.

Beuno.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

so how long can the caps keep nyls in limbo land? i'm assuming the cap hit dosnt come off until he's assigned somewhere, which apparantly hasnt been done. i'm assuming now that if he doesnt get sent to hershey or loaned out to europe/khl he'd have to pass through re-entry waivers to play for another NHL team...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 2:52 PM | Report abuse

The salary cap and subsequent "cap hit" is predicated on a system of "days of service."

The season is considered 193 days (this year). Playoffs don't figure into the equations...

Now, should a player be on the team roster for all 193 days, he would be a 100% cap hit.

Should a player be demoted (that can be and/or pass through waivers) his salary may have to be paid at a one-way NHL level, but he is NOT a cap hit for the time he is demoted. Though he may take up a roster spot on the NHL level club.

Should a player be injured, he is a roster spot and cap/salary hit, UNLESS, he is placed on LTIR, and then the team gets relief of the cap hit for the days the player is on LTIR.

So if Nylander goes to Hershey for ALL the rest of 2009-2010 and never wears a big club jersey for this year. We will not see his cap effect and can call up other players, though the club will still pay him his NHL level paycheck. Same thing may apply (though subject to transfer agreements) if he goes to KHL.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 9, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

This much is for sure. The Caps just got at least 2.4 Million this year in cap relief if not more. The rest we ALL are just speculating including me. The rest we will find out in the next 24-48 hours.

Posted by: RichC3 | November 9, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

The fact that he is off of the books with a simple assignment to Hershey is probably the greatest news I've heard since we signed Knuble.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

The fact that he is off of the books with a simple assignment to Hershey is probably the greatest news I've heard since we signed Knuble.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 2:59 PM | Report abuse

I'm still of the belief that the assignment is not a forgone conclusion as Nylander would have to approve it.

Posted by: cainoo7x | November 9, 2009 3:01 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg would guarantee 3 scoring lines every night.

Ovi/Backstrom/Knuble
Flash/Forsberg/Semin
Flash/Mo/Laich

Or any combination of those 9. Boudreau would be a kid in a candy store.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

JSchon, I can't believe the guy you missed off by listing Flash twice was E.FEHR!

How was your head the morning after the Atl game/bowling?

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 9, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@Dave

I was a mess the next day, a complete mess.
I know my E.Fehr would be the RW. Laich the LW.

Actually, its my understanding that Nylander can say no to Hershey but that would void his contract and we wouldn't have to pay him period.

Nylander gave up any control with the waiving of his NMC.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse

I'm baffled why the Caps would go for Forsberg.

Isn't he done, physically - and a risk to injury?

Wouldn't he cost a few million or more?

Aren't we better off supplementing the team (defense) by the trade deadline. We are in fact doing quite well in the standings and risking salary and roster spot to a questionably healthy old dude seems puzzling to me.

agree...disagree?

Posted by: jeets | November 9, 2009 3:09 PM | Report abuse

My thought is that the Caps are trying to get something for Nylander and not just let him go to KHL or wherever.

A trade.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

Were the Caps REQUIRED to put him through waivers before he could be transferred to a Russian team?

I remember the Devils putting Mogilny on waivers and sending him to River Rats because the were over the cap and it got him off the books.

Isn't transferring him a trade? He didn't need waivers if, say, traded to Wings. Or is it because no transfer agreement waivers are required?

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1 - Yes, according to whoever it was was from the league office that was interviewed a couple times regarding this situation, sending someone to a foreign league is the same process as sending someone down to the AHL, has to clear waivers. Also there's supposed to be a minimum time requirement (30 days I think) after waivers that must be waited then the transfer can take place.

Posted by: superpaqman | November 9, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

JSchon: he didn't need waivers to be traded to another team. He just needed to waive the NMC. The waivers suggests something else is afoot.

And I'm kinda believing he didn't do a blanket waive of the clause, but a one-time waive for the waivers and reassignment to Hershey would require yet another clause waiver.

But...I'm speculating. Had I gone ahead to law school maybe I'd know better.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 3:15 PM | Report abuse

DaveUKCapsFan,

Dude, great to see you back. Where have you been?

I like seeing the old regulars like you and JSchon that have been absent this year.

Now we need Boo!

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | November 9, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

superpaqman: So he's in limbo for 30 days? That doesn't make sense.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

unless GMGM can pull a Poile and turn this into a Bobby Carpenter for Kelly Miller & Mike Ridley deal, he gets an F.

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 3:18 PM | Report abuse

Boo has been here more than me.

This whole Nylander thing is mildly confusing. Maybe i should just wait until tomorrow when McPhee will just mildy confuse me.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

legend aside, why in the hell would the Caps sign Peter Forsberg??

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1
As far as NHL waivers are concerned, there's essentially NHL and not-NHL. Any loan to a not-NHL team for a vet requires waivers.

Right now, I guess Nylander is officially "designated for assignment", but he still counts against the Caps' cap and roster until assigned.

Posted by: koalatek | November 9, 2009 3:21 PM | Report abuse

@ Dave - a Flash, Forsberg, Semin line -
1. Let's assume that Flash continues to play like he has lately, and
2. Forsberg still has some gas in the tank, and
3. Semin plays up to his capability (after recovery from injury or other factors).

Who would have a better second line than that?

Posted by: zmega | November 9, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Yes Koalatek, you are right.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: koalatek

Right now, I guess Nylander is officially "designated for assignment", but he still counts against the Caps' cap and roster until assigned.

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EXACTLY RIGHT!

However many of the 193 days are left in the NHL year when he is officially off the roster divided by his average $4.875M cap hit equals OUR cap savings.

Let it be tomorrow...

Posted by: netminder71 | November 9, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

Any ideas on the level of salary Forsberg would command?

JSchon, that makes two of us (well 3 with Sombrero). I was a total mess but had 14 hours of travel to get home! Good times though, well worth the headache.

CT - Thanks, Boo is alive and well, just out of town.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 9, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

Nylander gave up any control with the waiving of his NMC.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:06 PM | Report abuse


No he didn't. The team has to put him on waivers ahead of a move. For reassignment/release/etc., he would have to be informed.

Posted by: Section117 | November 9, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

JSchon, i doubt an NHL trade is in the works. if that was in the offing, GMGM would never had put him on waivers and prove to everyone that nyls is basically worthless at his price.

we can hope though...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@DaveUK

I doubt he'd command much salary. The only reason he's coming back is to try to win a cup. So he'd only be looking to sign with a handful of teams, all of which have very little salary cap space. He recognizes that and just wants to win. I'd say it would be a cap hit of between $1 and $1.5 mill.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

OK, I'm reading all this, and the only thing I'm not understanding is superpaqman saying Nylander can't be assigned out for 30 days. I see where koalatek says NHL and non-NHL. I don't think for instance the Stars waited 30 days after waiving Avery to send him to the minors...but, there was a delay. Unless transfer to overseas is the complication.

Either way, if there's a 30-day delay, you can forget Forsberg.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

I think he has 30 days for the assignment to occur. So he can be in limbo for 30 days before he HAS to be assigned to AHL, loaned or stay on the Caps roster. You don't have to wait 30 days to make said move.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 3:36 PM | Report abuse

jeets: I agree that we should sign Forsberg. I actually wrote a very long post about it on the Ovechkin "probably a week" blog but for some reason it didn't post and I didn't feel like rewriting it. Readers Digest version. We are already best in Goals for per Game at 3.76 and Philly is second at 3.5something. What we need is a strong D-man. Also when adding Forsberg it would make the Caps have to sit either Clark, Gordon, Steckel, or Bradley. The Caps won't sit thier captain so that leaves three. Gordon and steckel are both very good at faceoffs and on the PK and Bradley sitting out would hurt our already struggling team toughness. So with adding Forsberg we would be adding to our already strong offense and taking away from other areas where we could use real improvement.

Posted by: icehammer97 | November 9, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

just say no to forsberg, unless its for veterans minimum WITH NO NMC CLAUSE...this team doesnt really have a problem at center, does it? some folks are down on gordo, but really, you think forsberg is going to come here to play fourth line center? barring injury, my vote is no unless its a deadline pickup ala guerin to the pens....

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

adding Forsberg would also add defense, leadership, and major playoff experience.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 9, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

I have been trying to decifer the CBA.
Not withstanding the NMC complications:

The caps have 30 days to do something with Nyls or he must clear waivers again to be moved other then a trade with another NHL team.

Loans are among NHL recognized leagues, so teams with agreements with the NHL to recognize contracts etc. I am not sure KHL qualifies.

Nyls can be loaned to any recognized league->like Swedish elite, AHL, etc.

Also, to buyout a player the player needs to clear unconditional waivers before a buyouy agreement can be executed.

If Nyls is picked-up on re-entry waivers, the caps are on the hook for 50% of this years salary and cap hit.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | November 9, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

ThePat: Thanks. NOW it makes sense.

Icehammer: UNLESS Forsberg comes on the cheap. If so, you can trade Boyd Gordon for a pick. If we say run under the cap by $2M prorated by 193 days, for half the season, we'd have enough to make a deadline deal March 1st for a $4M defenseman (use the pick from Gordon) for the last quarter of the season.

Then you have your cake and eat it too. (Whatever that expression means.)

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 3:44 PM | Report abuse

btw, i realize by vote doesnt count...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 3:45 PM | Report abuse

If Nyls is picked-up on re-entry waivers, the caps are on the hook for 50% of this years salary and cap hit.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | November 9, 2009 3:44 PM

More importantly, what about next year's salary and hit?

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

ok lyle, there is that...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97:

I agree ... and Forsberg is just a short- term "solution" ...

... and the young guns have learned from Kozlov and Feds and can learn already from Knubble and Morrison ...

... I don't see any reason for adding Forsberg ... he may play very well, but he is injury prone and not the cup-bringer for the CAPS ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | November 9, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

If we can get a healthy Forsberg for a one-year deal at 1.5 mil or less with an option for a second year, I'd do it. Still leaves enough flexibility to add a defenseman. All assuming Nyls is off the books, of course.

I'd certainly take Forsberg or even Perrault over Gordon. His skill set is similar to Steckel's, but Steckel is clearly the more valuable player for us.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

What on earth did Kozlov teach anyone? Backstrom already has had a better career than Kozlov and he's 23.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

sorry, Forsberg = injury waiting to happen. if we desire a veteran, i would look somewhere else. is a center really the biggest weakness that needs to be filled on this team????

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

You guys are missing the point with Forsberg. He isnt going to want or even garner anything more than a $1.5Mish. He is playing well right now. He would be the nastiest player in our lineup. There is no long term or even short term issues with signing him. Do not think Fedorov and $4M.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

tominfl1 the cba only references the current league year. Since it is not specifically referenced, I would assume future years fall to the claiming team.

BTW-> do we really need a 40 year old physical train wreck added to this team. Forsberg was a great player but he does not help this team.
This teams problems stem from youth and experience. I bust on Semins stick work and schultz's positioning, greens,etc. but this team is really good and has good chemistry. They just need to stop making the same mistakes and take bad teams out early so they can rest the top guys and get ice time for the other guys.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | November 9, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

Weren't there questions about signing B.Mo with his injury woes his past 3 seasons?

Well how is that signing working out with us?

And not to take anything away from B.Mo, but he aint no Peter Forsberg.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

If it helps, it would be considered an "assignment" if Nylander were shipped off to the KHL. To be designated for assignment, a player must clear waivers.

If Nylander were to accept this assignment, the Caps and the KHL could negotiate compensation - likely an assumption of all or a portion of his contract. Regardless of the specifics of this arrangement, the Caps would be clear of a prorated portion of Nylander's cap hit.

Nylander wants to play in the NHL. Sounds like he's considering whether or not to abandon that ambition and go to the KHL.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 9, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

B.Mo still has a spleen and was able to make it through a large part of the season with his banged up knee. Foresberg has a bad foot/ankle that will not heal.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | November 9, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

I doubt we are going to get Forsberg. But if we do and sign him for $1million or so then nothing can go wrong. He can do one of 3 things:

1. come here and play well
2. come here get hurt and go on LTIR(we get the salary cap hit back) or
3. come here and stink

The first 2 benefit is and well the 3rd wouldn't but we know Perrault is capable. And we'd still have salary cap space to make any moves needed at the deadline. If we do sign him, I think that we would be looking to deal Boyd Gordon and or Eric Fehr.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 4:09 PM | Report abuse

B Mo got more in the tank

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

With the lack of RW's in the system, Gordon will probably be the one to go, if one has to go.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

I agree, B.Mo has more in the tank, but Forsberg aint being signed for more than the rest of this season.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

i would prefer looking to bolster the blueline

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

before we get all excited about forsberg, let me remind everyone that in 11 of his 13 NHL seasons he failed to win the stanley cup. he also only won two olympic gold medals in three tries and only one of those times did he score the gold medal winning goal. his world championship record is even spotier with only three silvers and two gold medals in five tries.

guy's a total loser...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

well said dcsportsfan1

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

To the people saying all he would do is bring offense, consider that Forsberg's last NHL season on the - side of +/- was... oh wait, NEVER. IN 2002-2003 he was +52 - that's inhuman.

And what's with all the people saying Forsberg is just coming back to win a cup? He's won two of them. I think it's more likely he's coming back to prove he can still play in the best hockey league in the world. Every veteran wants to play on a contender - losing sucks.

I'm not saying we should sign Forsberg - I honestly doubt he's going to take enough of a cut to play for us. The NYR want him and they'll pay him, because it's NY. I'm just saying that you can't argue he wouldn't make our team better O.o

Posted by: Raber | November 9, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg is 36 and hasnt taken any NHL punishment in a couple years. Sundin is Forsbergs' female dog.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

i still dont think we should sign him, but he has had a pretty nice run....and with gold at nearly $1500/ounce, he's got some financial security...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

@ Dcsportsfan,

Did you ever find which channel on FIOS the Capitals Game came on? I also live in AACO and I couldnt find it,so I just watched the game on Friday streaming.

Posted by: washingtoncapitals | November 9, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

@ Dcsportsfan

Did you ever find the FIOS channel for the Caps game Friday night? I live in AACO also and couldnt find it,so I just watched it on Justin tv.

Posted by: washingtoncapitals | November 9, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg 171 points in 151 playoff games in the NHL.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling Nylander to Toronto for Kaberle.


Posted by: Jaymagz | November 9, 2009 4:32 PM | Report abuse

If you are a FiOS customer, the Caps games on CSN+ should show up on Channel 1 (the FiOS Showcase channel). The last CSN+ broadcast was there.

I am in Loudoun and we get them.

Posted by: netminder71 | November 9, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

I dunno - if Forsberg is there and reasonable -willing to come to DC- how could you pass that up?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 9, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

@Jay

you may be right - there are those rumors too.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 9, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

I'm calling Nylander to Toronto for Kaberle.

Posted by: Jaymagz | November 9, 2009 4:32 PM

You want to put money on this? Brian Burke wouldn't make that move if you bribed him.

Posted by: Raber | November 9, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

You cant Lyle, you can't.

He has never been a minus player ever.

BTW, Dubinsky is out for up to 6 weeks and Drury is out too. Looks like NYR are looking for a C.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:37 PM | Report abuse

See in Anne Arundel Co we use to get channel one,but they did some weird channel rearranging(Never know why, it wasnt broke, but they had to f with it)So all our channels now start out at Newschannel 8

Posted by: washingtoncapitals | November 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

Maybe the Rangers want Nylander and Poti, or maybe not.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

From the ESPN chat going on now:

Great stuff as usual Scott. So how soon do you think before Nylander finally comes to his senses and takes the gig in the KHL? On a scale of 1-10 how childish have the sides been in solving this problem?

Scott Burnside (4:37 PM)


David; It hasn't been pretty has it? Wonder if Nylander (and Mrs. Nylander) wish now they'd stuck to the deal they first agreed to with Edmonton before he reneged and signed with the Caps. Just goes to show you there are really hockey gods.

Posted by: DaleHunter | November 9, 2009 4:40 PM | Report abuse

lyle, one thing to consider is that to fit under this years cap, we are deferring about $1.7M in bonuses (backstrom). i'm sure the team does not want to do that. if they off load nyls, thats 4.8M in caps space gone, of which the caps would probably only like to spend $3M. if they call up alzner, thats a $1.7M cap number netted against whoever goes down. if they dont sent anyone down, that leaves less than $1.5M of cap space.....i'm guessing the team would like to keep that flexibility for trade deadline deals. just a thought..

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

F the NYR...from what I hear he would rather come here...play with Backstrom might be special.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | November 9, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

CTCapsPhan:
You rang? :-)

JSchon:
Nuh-uh!

Dave/JSchon:
If you guys are going to talk about late night bowling, shouldn't you mention the fact that I beat you both? :-X VAR-LY, VAR-LY, VAR-LY!!!

Posted by: --Boo-- | November 9, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

People keep talking about bring Alzner or Carlson up once Nylander is gone. We have 8, I repeat 8 D-men on the roster. We aren't carrying 9. When all our forwards are healthy we have too many of them too. So more moves would have to be made for other things people desire to happen.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

this just in:
nyls to the wings for the 98 cup

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

The actual cap relief would be even less. Today's what, the 40th day of the season? That'd mean the Caps would free up roughly $3.80 million.

Nothing to scoff at, I know.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 9, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

How could a trade be in the works if he's already passed through waivers? Why would someone trade for a player they could've gotten for nothing but salary?

This is an assignment - AHL, KHL, SEL.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 9, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

A trade could be in the works if he didn't necessarily want to go to said team but will. He asked McPhee to put him on waivers first to see if there were other takers. THere weren't so he'd accept the trade. Why wouldnt the team he's being traded too pick him up for nothing??? Bc they need to send salary back to stay under the cap. So that is how it would happen.

That being said I don't think it will because I really don't think McPhee wants any salary coming back. Unless he's got another trade set up involving other players for draft picks or something.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 5:00 PM | Report abuse

john, so they can unload someone else who might be of less use to them. for example, a team in need of a center but w/ an extra d man might want to make that move. not too many teams can take on nyls cap number without getting rid of some of their own.

thepat, my assumption is that sloan stays at wing. alzner gets in the d rotation while pots/erskine maybe schultz rotate in/out. perrault is likely to get sent down when gordon is back and healthy.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

JohninMpls:
If he goes to Russia it is not a trade, it's a loan. But since he cleared waivers he would be off the books.

Posted by: --Boo-- | November 9, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

and with all this today my brain is fried and I just hope tomorrow there is actually something of substance to report on this whole scenario. It has been mishandled from the beginning and just needs to be resolved.


THE END.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

that's just a wishful thinking... they're not gonna get anything for Nylander.

why would any team give the Caps anything for the player they clearly don't want on the team? the Caps put themselves in that position and I doubt that there's anyone that stupid to bail them out..

there's no Phil Esposito out there to give them Ridley and Miller for Bobby Carpenter.

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1

1. Ovi
2. Backstrom
3. Knuble
4. Semin
5. BMO
6. Laich
7. Flash
8. Steckel
9. Clark
10. Bradley
11. Gordon
12. Fehr
13. Q Laing
14. Perrault
15. S.Mo
16. Green
17. Schultz
18. Poti
19. Pothier
20. Erskine
21. Sloan
22. Jurcina
23. Theo
24. Varly

If you add Alnzer that is 25...so someone on top of Perrault has to be sent down.

Posted by: ThePat | November 9, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

I think if you get offered someone of Forsbergs undoubted ability and by all accounts he is currently playing well, then you have to take him.

Boo,
Seem to remember you being rather more sober than Mr S or myself, just saying.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 9, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

I've been on the Forsberg train since day one. Still on it....

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

I heard the Caps might get Mike Dunmmire in the deal...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

It might be time to cut ties with some of our dead weight if we get Alzner and Forsberg...

Bye bye Sloan, Jurcina and Schultz... :)

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

1) dcsportsfan: No, we were right at the cap incl counting Backstrom's bonus. We'd be about $3.8M under (prorated by day) for the rest of the season.
2) I'd take Forsberg even if I had to waive B Gordon to do it.
3) cadlecreek: No, reverse waivers not an option on Nylander. I checked nhlnumbers and, for this season, the Rangers and Dallas are sharing Avery's cap. No way on God's white ice sheet do we want a $2.4M cap hit next year for Nylander.
4) It would be fabulous to move Poti w/Nyles, but that would be hard to imagine. BUT, I'd almost give Poti and Gordon to TAKE Nyles if it meant Forsberg and some grittier D.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

Bye bye Sloan, Jurcina and Schultz... :)

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:12 PM |

Sloan and Schultz have been playing very well. Just saying...

Juice has been okay.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

Alzner and Forsberg are preferrable to Sloan, Juice and Schultz......give me a break. People, it is only Monday, what are you doing drinking already???

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

I believe Sloan was on for 4 goals last game...Jurcina was a retread from Boston...

Schultz...well, just see last year in the playoffs.

I really like Perrault and Flash has been a stud so far....

I love Semin's upside...but we have been saying that for 3 years...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Actually McPhee can't rule out taking back salary.

1) We trade Nyles to some team and they give us a player making $3M this year, someone we don't want.
2) We waive that player and send him to Hershey. Still cheaper than paying Nyles and there's no cap hit for him.
3) I'm agreeing with SoaringCaps. This could be the first domino in the set to fall. Nothing wrong with moving Jurcina and or ShaMo as they are UFAs after this year and likely not in long-term plan.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 5:19 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget about Dunnmire...he's in the Toronto organization...

"Hard worker, real good hands...likes to play in the corners. Needs to improve foot speed and plays with an attitude."

Not bad...6'0" 190...good size.

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

Forsberg? well Steve Yzerman looked great in the HHOF ceremony on saturday and he seemed to have no problem walking straight...

maybe the caps can convince him to un-retire.

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@washingtoncapitals
@netminder71
@everybody

CSN+ is no longer available to Howard/AA County FiOS customers. I spent a LONG time on the phone with Verizon last Wednesday determining this.

ALSO - It is not currently in their programming database to be added back anytime in the next "several months."

Yes, last season it was channel 1 for us too. But channel 1 no longer exists for us.

It is my understanding that the best way to request it be added back is to post on Verizon Community Forum (FiOS TV Programming section, "Suggest Channels to Add to FiOS TV" thread.)

Vote early, vote often :-)

Posted by: grackle5 | November 9, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

FYI....this is a new season. you may want to look at this years numbers relative to certain players being discussed here.

Sarge +7
Jurcina +3
ShaMo even
Sloan -1

Alzner plays no where near as tough as ShaMo does. so the plan is to now retreat even further from having any toughness on the blueline?? i just don't see how that works.

Knuble is one thing, but Forsberg is a stretch.

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

I don't know, ThePat. I'm not sure there's an NHL team he wouldn't go to right now, since the KHL looks like the only taker. I think McPhee just devalued him in the NHL by proving that no one would take him on at that salary (and by doing what they've been doing all year, of course).

And it's already been noted that McPhee won't take salary in return. Unless he changes his mind, this looks more an more like an assignment (AHL or foreign), which means no compensation (other than cap room).

As to the Dynamo tweet, according to Puck Daddy (22 October), Dynamo already has their maximum five foreign-born players.

Posted by: JohninMpls | November 9, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Comcast is the Devil....first they screw DirecTV and now they are screwing Verizon.

I can't believe that the government is allowing this...better yet, guess it's time for someone to wake Bettman up and get that deal with ESPN back...ridiculous.

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Nylander and his agent will nix anything to do with hershey. It would not be separation enough from a team who doesn't want him. Besides, if he doesn't fit the Caps how could justification exist that he fits their affiliate? If it would happen, I'm thinking his salary does count towards the SC, reference Ben "I'm-still-gettin'-paid" Clymer. Watch for a similar situation and spin.

Posted by: rockdaredlangely | November 9, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

People, it is only Monday, what are you doing drinking already???

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 5:16 PM

doughless: I just poured my first glass of wine to go w/dinner.

Rock the Red!

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

i meant during work hours. as soon as i get home it will be gin & tonic time

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Jurcina is benefitting from playing on a high scoring team.

Schultz see Jurcina.


Sloan, never liked him, not very good defender. Too many mistakes.

Shane Morrison, I am fine with him. He has been hindered by having to play with Green.

Poti is a poor man's Pothier (now that Pothier is healthy).

Erskine, great post season, but he's another year older, slower, and more fragile.

Alzner is a stud. He IS going to be a leader on this team for a very long time.

Carlson is also a stud. Scouts have said he had an NHL body right out of the draft. A similar player to Scott Stevens (don't want to say he is as good, yet).

It's just time to move on...we can't have Green (no defense), Poti (old, minimal defense), and Pothier (similar but younger than Poti)....especially with Theordore in net.

Theo is great on the first shot, absolutely abismal on rebounds. He plays rebounds like a soccer goalie...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

lol....

what.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 5:41 PM | Report abuse

rockdaredlangely:
clymer was a buyout - not the same

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse


1) we have no defense. all our defense is playing in Hershey. please be realistic.

2) did you miss the "fragile" Erskine completely demolishing a Panther player on Saturday?

3) JT60's rebound control is no worse than Varly's glove side. they can both be spotty.

4) i usually hate to throw out player stats, but we should pay some attention to those.

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

@ SoaringCaps

when Dale Hunter who coached Carlson last year in the junior hockey was asked who Carlson reminded him of, Hunter said Larry Murphy...

mainly because of two things.. hockey IQ and passing ability

Captain Dale said every Cap forward loved to be out on the ice together with Murphy becaue he would always make a great pass.

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 5:47 PM | Report abuse

@doguhless

You work too late ! haha

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 5:50 PM | Report abuse

and of course Hunter was the beneficiary of the greatest pass in Caps history... from Murphy to Hunter on the breakway to beat Hextall and the Flyers in the playoffs

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

yeah, i think soaringcaps must get started at 8 am.

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 5:53 PM | Report abuse

Dave:
That's an understatement! lol!! But I will take a W any way I can get it! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | November 9, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

Not all of our defense...just two of our better defenders...

I am not advocating getting rid of all our defense...just 2-3 of our so called "8"...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

SoaringCaps: Sloan is a very good value at $640K cap hit in that he plays fair D for a #7 and he plays fair F for a 5th liner.

I say keep him as the 23rd player on the roster.

The people here who watch Hershey regularly seem to be clear that Alzner and Carlson aren't ready.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 5:55 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear people..Alzner is the one who is supposed to be the defensive rock. Carlson is very much pegged as an offensive-d-man, despite his large size.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

You guys all think every caps player is worthy of post season hardware...don't you?

Come on. Jurcina, Sloan, and Schultz couldn't crack 3/4 of the NHL teams' lineup right NOW...

And Theodore wouldn't start for 50% of the teams today or even last year...(and that is being generous)

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

Boo did beat the guys bowling in the 2nd game. I am asian and was completely tanked, Brandon was throwing lefty and was completely tanked, Dave is from the UK and completely trashed.

But, as I remember it, I dominated the first game bowling a 157 or something close to that.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 5:57 PM | Report abuse

And I agree with Sloan's "value"...find to keep him, but the others (except Erskine) have to be reconsidered.

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:59 PM | Report abuse

someone help me here; how many points do the Caps have?

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

Jurcina is benefitting from playing on a high scoring team.

Schultz see Jurcina.


Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Schultz was one of three positive +/- guys on the '06-'07 team that was giving up 3 goals a game. But good on you for finding a new way to say the "but he doesn't hit!" meme.

Posted by: Section117 | November 9, 2009 6:00 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil & @Sonyask

I was not surprised to hear that Semin is injured. Last year, he was a pretty consistent point producer and rarely did not get either a goal or assist (a point in ove 85% of the game, I once calculated). He doesn't usually go this long (3 games) without getting something.

Hints dropped:

1) Boudreau (or was is McVee) said after the Friday game (and before Saturday's game) that there were more injuries to players than was announced.

2) Someone reported that Dmitry Chesnakov noticed that Semin hadn't done a wrist shot in a while.

And, of course, Tarik now reports Semin rotating his right wrist after being hit in the Florida game. (There was also discussion about Semin getting cross checked in the Isles game and being in pain.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

people who only pay attention to HITS are those who know little to nothing about defensive hockey

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

"And Theodore wouldn't start for 50% of the teams today or even last year...(and that is being generous)"

This is the most bone-headed comment I've seen in a couple days..

Posted by: apollak8 | November 9, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

joek443

Amen to that...

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 6:05 PM | Report abuse

ooops, and of course Green isn't going to be moved (sorry, from the prior post).

And Section 117...good research. Sometimes, stats do not tell the true picture...(sometimes)...

Can you really tell me that any of the top 15 teams in this league would want Schultz?

Better yet, can you tell me that any of the bottom 15 teams by adding Schultz would be a better team?

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Schultz has played very well this year and is dirt cheap. Jurcina and Sloan are certainly expendable though.

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 9, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Just to be clear people..Alzner is the one who is supposed to be the defensive rock. Carlson is very much pegged as an offensive-d-man, despite his large size.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 5:56 PM | Report abuse

What they're both being "pegged" as and what they really are is two different things. Carlson gets the "offensive" moniker because of his shot, he got to play on the PP a lot in London etc. But for my money, he's much stronger on the boards and in front of the net as Alzner is, and he's mobile on his skates. I look at Carlson like a young Jovanovski. Powerful and mobile, with a big shot and yet can crush people with body checks. Carlson's just more explosive on his skates. Alzner, it looks like he lacks strength even though he has a decent frame. He just gets pushed around too easily.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:07 PM | Report abuse

@SoaringCaps

It's not a case of Comco$t screwing with Verizon.

It's a case of Verizon dropping CSN+ when they changed the Howard/AA county channel line-up recently.

Someone said the same is true of Harford county but I don't know that for sure.

Posted by: grackle5 | November 9, 2009 6:08 PM | Report abuse

apollak8...

I can't believe you think Theo is a quality goalie...that really makes me laugh!

Go through the teams, tell me who he would start for....other than Atlanta and the Islanders...

Varley is still a year away from that...but better he learn now...because you KNOW he's going to be playing in the playoffs when it counts...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 6:09 PM | Report abuse

and i thought i say some wacky things from time to time......

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Well, jeez, JSchon! If you're drunk out of your gourd, how the heck could you bowl? Which set of pins were you aiming at? The one on the right? Or Left? Or was it the center one? Oh, and Dave? Was the paperbag on your knee? I couldn't imagine taking that flight with a hangover!

I don't think we need Forsberg here. We have enough talent here and in Hershey. In fact, there's such a log jam we need to cut some deadwood out.

Placing Nyls on waivers does indicate a move coming soon. It's mandatory to move him out of the NHL. It's still possible to move him within the NHL. With him now passing through waivers, another NHL team wouldn't have to pay a waiver fee to the Caps. Still, I don't see him going to another NHL team, and certainly not to Hershey. They won't pay him $4.8M (or whatever) to play there. I sincerely doubt ANY AHL team would want that kind of contract saddled around their neck.

Posted by: Greg S. | November 9, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

people who only pay attention to HITS are those who know little to nothing about defensive hockey

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse


conversely, a defenseman who hits effectively can overcome some other shortcomings. And hits can't be dismissed as simply some kind of a sideshow statistic for fan entertainment. You have to be able to skate pretty well, read the ice pretty well, and have strength and timing to be a prolific hitter. And while not all prolific hitters on D are good defensemen (i.e. Denis Gauthier), a lot of them are. For whatever reason, now its become in style to bash defensemen if they hit a lot, almost like saying thats all they can do. Thats BS, many of the more prolific hitters on defense in this league are also some of the better defensemen. Just because Lidstrom is so good without racking up the hit counter doesn't mean that thats the only way to go.
Sometimes keeping things simple is a good thing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

Oh, and Manny Legacy is now a Hurricane.

Posted by: Greg S. | November 9, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

people who only pay attention to HITS are those who know little to nothing about defensive hockey

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse

------------

+1 see: Shaone Morrison

Posted by: butcherbaker | November 9, 2009 6:13 PM | Report abuse

And, of course, Tarik now reports Semin rotating his right wrist after being hit in the Florida game. (There was also discussion about Semin getting cross checked in the Isles game and being in pain.)


Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 6:03 PM | Report abuse

Ballard kinda lowbridged him. Semin got off a shot on net and he had his hands low and Ballard came flying up and met him just as Semin released. He probably got his hand caught between his own body and Ballard's hip.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:14 PM | Report abuse

people who only pay attention to HITS are those who know little to nothing about defensive hockey

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:04 PM | Report abuse


conversely, a defenseman who hits effectively can overcome some other shortcomings. And hits can't be dismissed as simply some kind of a sideshow statistic for fan entertainment. You have to be able to skate pretty well, read the ice pretty well, and have strength and timing to be a prolific hitter. And while not all prolific hitters on D are good defensemen (i.e. Denis Gauthier), a lot of them are. For whatever reason, now its become in style to bash defensemen if they hit a lot, almost like saying thats all they can do. Thats BS, many of the more prolific hitters on defense in this league are also some of the better defensemen. Just because Lidstrom is so good without racking up the hit counter doesn't mean that thats the only way to go.
Sometimes keeping things simple is a good thing.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:12 PM | Report abuse

The operative word is "only"

When defining who is a good defensemen and who isnt, looking at only hits or physicality is a huge mistake.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

SoaringCaps:
you wouldn't have been 'SinkingCaps' in a previous life, would you?

i wouldn't pretend to know the skill set of all 690 players in the nhl - so i'll take your word on 'Jurcina, Sloan, and Schultz couldn't crack 3/4 of the NHL teams' lineup'.
it doesn't change the fact that there is still a salary cap and i'd venture to guess that a few of those 3/4 of the teams would glady get rid of a slightly more skilled but under performing overpaid dman for one of these three.
theo is absolutely a middle of the pack goaltender - but again the salary cap (and free agency) dictated the move. if the caps can continue to avg 3.8 goal per game, the goaltending is sufficient for now.
i think the best place to concentrate the new cap space should be nearer the trade deadline - that is when the caps will have a better idea of what is really needed. the most glaring item right now is for better d - i think we all realize that. but it is not essential right now. having cap space in november is nice - but i hope they don't go out an p*ss it all away before they know what the real needs will be for april, may and june.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

Soaring

On second thought you're probably right about your original comment- he wouldn't start for 50% of the other clubs in the league. But this doesn't speak to his quality, it speaks to the fact that we don't have the depth at the position that a lot of the other teams in the league do.

If you've watched any games this year, you would have to agree that he has made incredibly timely saves & kept us in games when the rest of the team is playing poorly. He's not a top ten goalie, but you can't expect him to be this late in his career and with the offensive brand of hockey that this team plays. Also, we don't exactly have the strongest defensive core in the league (it's definitely our week point) nor a majority of players who play strong two way hockey.

Posted by: apollak8 | November 9, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

someone help me here; how many points do the Caps have?

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:00 PM

I could have told you except that I've started drinking and I forget where to look.

CapsFan75: I think you mean "McPhee." McVee was the second half of Fleetwood Mac I think.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 6:18 PM | Report abuse

Can you really tell me that any of the top 15 teams in this league would want Schultz?

Better yet, can you tell me that any of the bottom 15 teams by adding Schultz would be a better team?

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

When he's on the ice, his team scores more than their opponents, regardless of the coaching system that's employed. It is one of the goals of sports, no?

And it's not because of 3 and a half years of good luck. Does he have times where he isn't confident on the ice? Sure, but again, he's 23, playing a position whose learning curve is a little steeper. To say that he's maxed out at this age and performance is being overly dismissive and incorrect.

Posted by: Section117 | November 9, 2009 6:19 PM | Report abuse

i was just wondering if i was reading the standings wrong given some of the posting going on right now.

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:20 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1

of course you would know more about Carlson than Dale Hunter who coached him last year... no surprise there

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

My take on the d - we need to get bigger/more physical, while retaining the skill level. This makes Poti and Pothier vulnerable, given their age and contracts. I assume that would come next year.
Green and Morrisonn are keepers. Jurcina has improved his skating significantly since he came from Boston and is our most consistently physical d-man. Schultz, I would give another year to develop or prove that he won't. I would keep Erskine as a back-up - he plays better when he is not asked to play every day. I would keep Sloan as a utility man. Alzner and Carlson get call-ups this year as injury replacements, are full time next year. Signing an elite d later this year would force a tough decision - maybe Jurcina goes, although I would hate to lose him.

Posted by: zmega | November 9, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Hey Soaring...

We can't have Brodeur in net, Chara replacing Schultz and Keith as our 7th defensemen.

We have 24 points and haven't had a complete lineup all season.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Can you really tell me that any of the top 15 teams in this league would want Schultz?

Better yet, can you tell me that any of the bottom 15 teams by adding Schultz would be a better team?

Posted by: SoaringCaps | November 9, 2009 6:06 PM | Report abuse

Schultz wouldn't crack the top 4 on any team in the NHL that I can think of. And since every team has at least 1 if not 2 defensemen in their top 4 who have offensive skills, Sarge would have to vie for the "defensive defenseman" role in the top 4...he'd have to beat out some very capable players. To crack the lineup as a bottom pairing defenseman, he'd have to show a lot more grit because most teams look to that 3rd pairing for some toughness.
He's got better skills than some of the 3rd pair defensmen on some of the bad teams but since he doesnt bring anything in the way of toughness to that role his contribution (if any) would likely be a wash.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:22 PM | Report abuse

Sinking Caps must have changed his name to "Soaring Caps" .... but his diatribes haven't changed -- still negative, critical and inaccurate. Sloan was on WITH Jurcina for 3 goals against and ONE goal for so he was a -2. Jurcina was a -4.
Notice you've never mentioned Sloan was a +3 in the Panther's game on Friday (with a goal as well). Alzner will be a good 'D', but he's obviously not ready yet. Sloan & Alzner both were brought up during playoffs against Pittsburg. Sloan played (well) and Alzner didn't play at all. Alzner had a chance to prove his stuff at training camp (same goes for Carlson). Boudreau sent him to Hershey & kept Sloan. Both GM & BB have said calling him up & keeping him had to do with his ability, not the cap. I suppose you know more than they do? As for your criticism of Schultz, Jurcina, Green, Erskine & Poti -- you obviously disagree with the coach & GM on them too!?? Since you're so clever, I imagine you'll be applying for Boudreau's job any day now?

Posted by: gogetem | November 9, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

thanks for answering my question JSchon; 24 points. all that with a defense that apparently is not fit for most NHL teams.

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

that said, i am still hoping for an upgrade

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I do not watch much of the Bears, so I am not pretending to know how either look. I am going in off their scouting reports and the very limited amount of time I've seen them play.

Both are said to have good defensive ability. The main difference is Alzner is said to have really no offensive upside, while Carlson was said to have tons.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

By the way, I saw a description of Alzner as a "rock." I had that impression too when he was first drafted. I think now my impression is he's more of a Calle Johansson. And that is not bad at all! Calle Jo was a fair 1st pair D to a very good second pair D. I thought he was a better D than anyone we had back then except Stevens, Langway and Tinordi and maybe Rouse. If Alzner can be Calle Jo, that's great, but my impression now is they expect more from Carlson.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

JFK was a woman.

I just wanted to get in the bickering and crazy statements.

Posted by: saintex | November 9, 2009 6:29 PM | Report abuse

When defining who is a good defensemen and who isnt, looking at only hits or physicality is a huge mistake.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

seriously, WHO does that? I mean who looks at physicality as the only or main attribute to being a good defenseman? I don't think I've ever read a fan's comment who feels that way. I've heard fans give Erskine a break because he's physical but thats ok b/c even Erskine who has limited skills still has to be able to skate well enough to not be a liability. He was effective against the Rangers because thats a grinding team and he can skate with the grinders. He was out of his element v the Penguins (and it didn't help that our other D also looked out of their element.)

But usually a Dman who hits often probably has a pretty decent set of skills if he's able to keep up with the play and hit opposing forwards in stride. There's a lot of physical defensemen in the AHL who wouldn't be able to keep up with NHL forwards.

Sometimes you give the physical and under-skilled defensemen a pass because they bring other things to the table be it leadership, contribution to team toughness, heavy lifting, etc. Because they do all those things sometimes you gotta look the other way when they get burned or get their pocket picked. You just hope it doesn't happen often and its not a critical situation.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:30 PM | Report abuse

JSchon:
i would add that they've only played one or two complete games.
the caps must really s*ck - only lost three regulation games (all by one goal) and four more in ot/so.
if they don't pick up the pace and start winning games by 5-0 and 7-2 type scores - i may just have to start rooting for the local team here, until they move to canada anyway *sarcasm*

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1

of course you would know more about Carlson than Dale Hunter who coached him last year... no surprise there

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

You ever seen Carlson play? To even compare his STYLE with that of Murphy's is a joke. Carlson is a two way player who can put up some points and still be a physical force on defense. Does that remind you of Larry Murphy? I don't need to get inside Dale Hunter's mind to know what he was thinking IF he made that comment but its very possible he was simply referring to ONE of Murphy's attributes which was to make a good tape to tape pass. It doesn't mean that Carlson is a Murphy clone.

Hell Jason Doig crushed Eric Lindros in open ice. Does that mean he's equivalent to Scott Stevens? dope

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:33 PM | Report abuse

doughless: Are you still at work?

Somewhere a gin and tonic is getting watery.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 6:34 PM | Report abuse

i am soaring home for a gin & tonic. have fun

Posted by: doughless | November 9, 2009 6:35 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I do not watch much of the Bears, so I am not pretending to know how either look. I am going in off their scouting reports and the very limited amount of time I've seen them play.

Both are said to have good defensive ability. The main difference is Alzner is said to have really no offensive upside, while Carlson was said to have tons.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

I don't get to watch the Bears either but when Dale Hunter says John Carlson reminds him of Larry Murphy, I'll take his word for it...

considering the fact that Capt. Dale coached Carlson and played with Murphy

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

I do not watch much of the Bears, so I am not pretending to know how either look. I am going in off their scouting reports and the very limited amount of time I've seen them play.

Both are said to have good defensive ability. The main difference is Alzner is said to have really no offensive upside, while Carlson was said to have tons.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Alzner as he himself admitted, never felt his strength was an issue when he played in the WHL. He said that he could get by without being a physical defenseman at that junior level, but he feels thats the biggest hole in his game now. And its obvious, he just gets pushed around too easily and for someone with his frame it shouldn't happen. Carlson enjoys banging guys along the boards (that sounds bad) and he enjoys the physicality of the game. Coupled with his offensive talent, that makes him a really nice prospect to look forward to watching. He hits, he fights once in a while, he sticks up for his teammates as you saw in the rookies game v the Flyers, he can skate, he can shoot. Much more than simply an "offensive" player in my book.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:38 PM | Report abuse

JFK was a woman.

I just wanted to get in the bickering and crazy statements.

Posted by: saintex | November 9, 2009 6:29 PM

Geez, saintex, are you saying Marilyn was a lesbian? That would make for a bigger conspiracy than all that grassy knoll stuff.

and...cstanton1 and joek443 - two minutes each for roughing.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 6:39 PM | Report abuse

considering the fact that Capt. Dale coached Carlson and played with Murphy

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:37 PM | Report abuse

an individual trait comparison does not equate to a Larry Murphy clone. Brian Pothier also makes a good 1st pass. So do 50 other defensmen in this league. There's much more to a player than his first pass.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:41 PM | Report abuse

anyone see "Orphan" yet? good dvd recommendation. Esther is a troubled young girl.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:42 PM | Report abuse

Much more than simply an "offensive" player in my book.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:38 PM |

Yes, I did not intend to make it seem like Carlson was simply an offensive player. Just that his offensive game is touted just as much as his defensive game. Alzner..not so much. He's supposed to be all defense.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

Carlson enjoys banging guys along the boards (that sounds bad)

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:38 PM

Is that what they do up there in Hershey for entertainment between periods?

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 6:46 PM | Report abuse

they don't call it the hershey hwy for sh_ts and giggles...

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Yes, I did not intend to make it seem like Carlson was simply an offensive player. Just that his offensive game is touted just as much as his defensive game. Alzner..not so much. He's supposed to be all defense.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 6:44 PM | Report abuse

well, i didn't know if you really knew what kind of an exciting well-rounded prospect he really was or if your impression of him was just based on his "offensive" defenseman tag. Sometimes I think a writer can really do a player a huge disservice by calling him an offensive defenseman. That generates a stereotype of a finesse player and in Carlson's case its thankfully not true. The kid is pretty rugged and I really hope the Caps coaching staff doesn't ruin him by trying to turn him into Mike Green vers 2.

If anyone remembered watching the way Mike Green used to play in Hershey, he was all about taking care of business in his own end. He's getting a lot of grief this year but I actually see a little improvement in his defensive work ethic. Last yr I thought he was utter garbage defensively. He'd just let forwards skate down his lane without even challenging them, he'd collapse back to his own goaltender.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 6:58 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1: Carlson must REALLY want to make the big club.

OK, perhaps posters can weigh in. When Alzner went #5 overall in 2007, he was rated #1 d-man (better than the guy LA took at #4) and the "most NHL ready prospect." Captain of Canadian Jr Team...captain of Hitmen...WHL d-man of the year. Carlson, meanwhile, was a USHL player from Jersey I think and taken 27th in 2008. Then he went to London and could only come out of Junior early because he was USHL.

Now, the question - rate Alzner and Carlson RIGHT NOW on your impression for each - has accomplished as much as you'd've thought by now, more than you thought or less than you thought.

Also, how do you rate McPhee for taking Alzner #5 as opposed to trading Eminger and a #3 for Carlson.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 7:02 PM | Report abuse

My rating: Alzner is behind where I thought he'd be, Carlson is way ahead of where I thought he'd be, McPhee could've maybe done better at #5 in 2007, and McPhee pulled off a royal coup with Carlson in 2008.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_NHL_Entry_Draft

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

Carlson was ranked much higher than 27, I believe. Not sure as to why he went later, but a steal for McPhee.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 7:09 PM | Report abuse

I would say the same thing Tom, but we have to remember that Alzner played a number of games for us last year. They are both far too young to really determine this though, I think.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 7:10 PM | Report abuse

Also, I would only take Gagner on that list over Alzner.

In terms of the overall list (meaning looking at it now instead of thinking about the circumstances at the time of draft), Simmonds stands as the obvious steal. Guys liek Caputi, Yannick Weber, etc may pan out as late-steals as well.

But like I said, I think it's far too early to talk about players from this draft yet.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 7:13 PM | Report abuse

This Forsberg fascination makes no sense whatsoever. The Caps are leading the league in goals. And that's with OV out and Semin not bringing home the bacon.

If anything a strong defensive D man who is under 30 would make much more sense. A partner/counterbalance for Green, and a long term addition.

The team is loaded with talent that will take time to mature, why keep those young stars in hershey so a one-last-year vet can drop in temporarily?

That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Posted by: Bobomite | November 9, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

Bobomite, it seems you've contradicted yourself.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 7:19 PM | Report abuse

If anything a strong defensive D man who is under 30 would make much more sense. A partner/counterbalance for Green, and a long term addition.

The team is loaded with talent that will take time to mature, why keep those young stars in hershey so a one-last-year vet can drop in temporarily?

That would be cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Posted by: Bobomite | November 9, 2009 7:15 PM | Report abuse

just need to find the next Langway... took them Ryan Walter and Rick Green to get Langway, Laughlin and Engblom... (Engblom and Houston for Larry Murphy who still holds the record for most points by a rookie defenseman - 76 points)

can't be that hard, right?

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

LOL I guess I did. I just don't see how Forsberg makes sense.

Posted by: Bobomite | November 9, 2009 7:35 PM | Report abuse

and they also got Doug Jarvis in the Langway deal

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 7:38 PM | Report abuse

@soaringcaps-- you sound a lot like "sinkingcaps." Sure let's get rid of our entire d-corps. (sarcasm) Much better tag though--soaring.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

@SoaringCaps

Just to be picky, Pothier and Poti were actually born less than a month apart from each other. Poti was born March 22, 1977 and Pothier was born April 15, 1977.

While I have affection for both of them, I know that they would be the most logical guys to go when Alzner and Carlson are ready.

I disagree with you on getting rid of Green.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 7:53 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask

On Semin playing with injuries. I think he's dam*ed if he does and dam*ed if he doesn't. If he doesn't play, there's the outcry that he's a wimp. If he plays and does poorly, there's the outcry that his head's not in the game; etc., etc.

(Is there any way we can get him so extra protection for his hands and wrist so he doesn't get banged up by the Keith Ballards and the Brooks Orpiks of the world?)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

@soaringcaps-- you sound a lot like "sinkingcaps." Sure let's get rid of our entire d-corps. (sarcasm) Much better tag though--soaring.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 7:49 PM | Report abuse

LMAO I think you're right

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 7:57 PM | Report abuse

The Langway deal was recently rated by National Geographic as the fourth greatest North American deal of all time behind:

Manhatten for $24 and
Louisiana Purchase for $15M
Alaska for like $67M

Phil: Too early to make conclusions, but Alzner IS behind where we all thought he'd be.

At the moment, I'm very much in favor of Forsberg. We have a very young team. He'd instantly be this year's version of Fedorov, only maybe in better shape. The Fedorov influence was tremendous and the Forsberg influence would be likewise. The effect on Backie could be significant. We DEFINITELY need help on faceoffs and PK and the PP sometimes is in a rut. We need more steady leadership later in games. Doubtless a top-flight centerman would help the D. It's the kind of move teams make to get over the top.

And, I'm assuming to be a fit he'd be healthy and reasonably priced i.e. BMo money.

To think he'd replace Boyd Gordon on the roster. And it isn't an upgrade?

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 7:58 PM | Report abuse

I think it's not as cut and dry as it seems, in reference to Alzner being behind in development. Like I said, he played a handful of games for us last year and did no worse than the guys he was subbing for, on average.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

he may have changed the name but I bet he still has Green and Schultz dolls with about a thousand needles stuck in

Posted by: joek443 | November 9, 2009 8:04 PM | Report abuse

assuming all of nyls $4.875m cap is available - i wouldn't want to see forsberg for anything north of $1m. a hefty portion of this cap space should be held in reserve for march deadline moves. unknown injuries and poor play will dictate the needs at that time.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 8:11 PM | Report abuse

I listened to hockey diaries recently--www.mediachameleon.org-- which documented last year's season with Alzner and Laich. It's a must listen-- really interesting. But pertinent to this discussion is Alzner's observation of how much harder the hits are when a player goes up a level. He worked out to increase his strength and durability to better absorb and give those hits. If and when we see him this season I will be interested to see how he increases his physicality. It is fascinating to hear what it's like to come up to the big league. Great stuff by Laich too. He has Always been one of my favorite Caps. I get the impression with Carlson that want him to play a lot at Hershey first nut he definitely is another plus for our future. I am looking forward to seeing him in red too.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 8:14 PM | Report abuse

Joe443--perhaps even more pins in those dolls and the number of dolls has increased. Heck get rid of all the Caps d-guys and bring up the Bears entire d-corps. LOL One can change the moniker but not the sentiments--soaring is sinking fast.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 8:23 PM | Report abuse

Greg S.:
You don't know the half of it! lol!! It was a riot. I don't know what's funnier - that we set off for Karaoke or that we ended up bowling! :-)

Posted by: --Boo-- | November 9, 2009 8:32 PM | Report abuse

I think that some of us have "the grass is always greener" (pardon the pun) syndrome with the Caps d, compared to other teams. They aren't the strength of the team, but they aren't a liability either (Green is a strength in my view). Defensive failings are often due to misplays by forwards and goalies, not just the d-men (stating the obvious).
For the future, Orlov may be in the picture two years from now. Great skater, moves the puck well, not big but tough.

Posted by: zmega | November 9, 2009 8:37 PM | Report abuse

For the future, Orlov may be in the picture two years from now. Great skater, moves the puck well, not big but tough.

Posted by: zmega | November 9, 2009 8:37 PM |

Hope so. Don't want another Dovgan on our hands.

(Does anyone know where he is playing this year?)

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 8:48 PM | Report abuse

I agree zmega. The grass is greener syndome is something many foks suffer from. After reading many different posters observations over a long period of time I find that I now agree that perhaps our d-corps could use more balance but in tandem with Greenies skills and not on lieu of him. I am a fan of Greenies skills--he is an exciting player to watch and from my perspective he seems to be working on preocing the defensive side of his game. He is a definite keeper in my book. Schultz I don't have a strong opinion about except that he can't be so bad and still be able to put up such positive stats. I chalk it up to people wanting him to do more with his size. For his price he brings a lot of positives to the team.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I was trying to write "improving the defensive side of his game"

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 9:00 PM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns

Agree with you that our D corps needs more balance. Also believe Green's a keeper. He may not have many goals this year but he has a lot of assissts.

If Schultz consistently keeps doing well in the Plus/Minus department year after year, he can't be as bad as people think. I'm sure a lot of it is his size. Then again, he's also a really introverted guy and it seems the introverted guys don't seem to get good press. (It's not just around here. That's true in other sports and other endeavors as well.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Flash is being displayed on the front page of ESPN Fantasy Leagues!

Go Flash!

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 9:01 PM | Report abuse

@ joek443

He probably has a few needles stuck in a Semin doll as well as dolls for Schultz and Green.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:03 PM | Report abuse

OH NO Nylander may be gone tomorrow! OH NO what is a ChickenLittle to do now? OH NO lots of cap space to call up King Karl. OH NO apparantly he sucks!! OH NO what to do?? OH NO our defense is terrible. Must be the worst defense of any Conference leader! OH NO Foppa gonna be a Cap? OH NO get rid of one old Swede and replace him with an even older Swede!! OH NO makes sense to me!! ChickenLittle so confused.

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | November 9, 2009 9:05 PM | Report abuse

Welcome to the "Would Jeff Schultz make the top 4 in your city" project. This project will take place over many days and will be voted on by you, the viewer. Final say goes to me, the author of the project.

Lets go over Jeff Schultz first.
12 games played
1 G 4A +7 8pim 17:27ATOI 14hits 14blks $715K
0.0239 ppmp (points per minute played)
0.00699 ppdp (point per dollar paid)

Lets go in alphabetical order, starting with Anaheim.

Top 4
Neidermeyer
15 games played
1G 10A -3 4pim 25:41ATOI 14hits 20blks
$6.750M
0.0285 ppmp
0.00163 ppdp

Wisnieski
10 games played
0G 10A +6 16pim 25:11ATOI 18hits 20blks
$2.750M
0.0397 ppmp
0.00364 ppdp

Whitney
15 games played
1G 7A +6 14pims 26:58ATOI 16hits 28blks
$4.0M
0.0198 ppmp
0.002 ppdp

Eminger
Ok... I'm not going to even bother with this.

Verdict: Jeff Schultz makes Anaheim's top 4 easily.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 9:06 PM | Report abuse

ChickenLittle getting a bit too much on that windjammer repeating post thing.

Atleast in richmondphil's opinion.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 9:07 PM | Report abuse

ChickenLittleCapsFan:
i missed you all day!!!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 9:10 PM | Report abuse

@ JSchon & @DaveUKCapsFan

On JSchon's lines: Oh, do you like Flash so much, you're ready to clone him? Well, he's having a great year so far and seems to have earned his way to the top line.

Okay, I read the later posts. It was that late night bowling in Atlanta (or should I say Hotlanta.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:11 PM | Report abuse

At least there'll be a resolution to the Nylander situation soon. It impressed me as unhealthy for all parties involved.

While I was never a big Nylander fan, I felt pretty sorry for him this fall. I am glad he is behaving with so much class.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75-- agree with you about the quiet ones. Think that happens to Semin too. I am a huge fan of our core hence my moniker but I've really been paying closer attention to our other players. So much criticism for Schulzy makes me want to defend him out of sheer stubborness but then when I read indepth pieces such as the one Japers ran just before the season started I realized that his stats are really good. He just doesn't do want many think he should do--hit and skate faster. Well he seems to have grown into his body more this year and been more physical. I think we forget just how young these guys are. He's just 23 and was a beanpole before. He's filling out. Alzner said something like "man-size bodies" in reference to NHL players in Hockey Diaries.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 9:14 PM | Report abuse

@zmega

I'll also be happy to see Orlov. He sounded pretty good. (My husband had a nephew who was born around the same day as him.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:21 PM | Report abuse

OH NO ChickenLittle not liked in Richmond but big fans in AZ!! OH NO RichmondPhil I like you...

Posted by: ChickenLittleCapsFan | November 9, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon--keep up "Welcome..." please-- It's a win win-- highly entertaining and educational too! I'm liking Schulzy more and more.ust note however that I pretty much like the entire team though--definitely a glass half full fan!

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 9:22 PM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns

I'm sure that's part of Semin's problem -- the fact that he's quiet. But when he makes friends, he makes really loyal friends. Ovi, for instance. And, back when he was drafted by the Caps, his best friend at the time posed with him & his family. (I would not be surprised if Semin is still in touch with that friend.)

Yes, I realize how young the guys are. I have a daughter (my elder) who's about their age. In fact, 5 of the current Caps are less than a year apart from her in age. Semin is a little less than a year older. Flash is about 10 months older. Ovi and Fehr are just under 7 months younger. Green is 8 months younger. And Schultz is a little bit more than a year younger. So, I feel a similar protectiveness towards the guys since they're kids to me.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:27 PM | Report abuse

I like you too, ChickenLittle.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 9:28 PM | Report abuse

Atlanta Thrashers top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Enstrom
14 games played
2G 9A +0 6pims 22:31ATOI 5hits 15blks
$3.750M
0.0349 ppmp
0.00293 ppdp

Bogosian
14 games played
6G 2A -4 16pims 23:22ATOI 29hits 23blks
$3.375M
0.0245 ppmp
0.00237 ppdp

Kubina
14 games played
3G 5A +5 16pims 22:46ATOI 21hits 27blks
$5.000M
0.0251 ppmp
0.0016 ppdp

Hainsey
12 games played
2G 4A +0 2pims 21:19ATOI 8hits 13blks
$4.500M
0.0234 ppmp
0.00133 ppdp

Verdict: Jeff Schultz marginally makes Atlanta's top 4.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 9:29 PM | Report abuse

i'm sorry RichmondPhil - ChickenLittleCapsFan make me laugh

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 9:31 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1

I guess I can't spell. For some reason, I keep forgetting how to spell George McPhee's name.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 9:32 PM | Report abuse

Bogo is this year's Green.

Posted by: richmondphil | November 9, 2009 9:36 PM | Report abuse

JSchon:
remember - schultz really on needs to crack the lineup - that's top 7 or on some teams 8th

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Now, the question - rate Alzner and Carlson RIGHT NOW on your impression for each - has accomplished as much as you'd've thought by now, more than you thought or less than you thought.
Posted by: tominfl1 | November 9, 2009 7:02 PM
-------------------------------
I'll weigh in on this discussion: I watched Alzner all of last season in Hershey and Washington. Huge potential. At times he looks great; other times he has that "deer in the headlights" look, though those times are becoming much less frequent. He's not a physical defenseman, but very steady and smart. Needs to muscle up because he gets pushed around a bit.
Carlson came to the Bears late in the season for the playoff run. First game that I watched him play I said "Wow. This kid just passed Alzner on the depth chart." Carlson is the complete package, and not once has he looked overwhelmed or out of place. A pro from day one. He and Alzner are very different kinds of defensemen, and I expect each to have a long career, but if I had to pick just one of the two, I'm going with Carlson.

Posted by: tess2201 | November 9, 2009 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Jaschon, I think the only stat that matters in some peoples mind is hits per inch of height. I think he also has the longest gosl amongst any dman.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | November 9, 2009 9:48 PM | Report abuse

Boston Bruins top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Chara
16 games played
1G 8A +4 36pims 24:24ATOI 36hits 19blks
$7.500M
0.0229 ppmp
0.0012 ppdp

Morris
16 games played
1G 8A -1 10pims 22:52ATOI 16hits 23blks
$3.300M
0.0246 ppmp
0.00273 ppdp

Wideman
14 games played
1G 1A -3 6pims 21:56ATOI 17hits 13blks
$3.938
0.0066 ppmp
my calculator wouldn't give me a normal result

Ference
16 games played
0G 1A +0 6pims 20:34pims 23hits 16hits
$1.4M
0.00304 ppmp
vbgjknpoibgpbgiutbnjtbnuf

Verdict: Schultz surprisingly would be the #3 defensmen in Beantown.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 9:56 PM | Report abuse

@Capt Kirk in AZ

If you were to read to me what you typed, I would ask you to take the cornish game hen out of your mouth.

I think I am answering your question by saying that the Caps are the only team I know that actually has a 8 man rotation. Schutlz by the ATOI is the #4 d-man on the Caps.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 10:00 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75--wish I could relate them all my son's age but we started a little later with family. So I have a lot of hero worship going on with my son. Just found out tonight that he knows all of the penalties (or it sure seemed like all of them) along with many of the refs hand signals, ending with goalie interference. He may be an unreliable toilet flusher but he sure has the important stuff down.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 9, 2009 10:16 PM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns

Lots of laughing at your last post. Your son having the "important" stuff down -- like knowing penalties. Here, I thought I started child rearing late. I didn't start my family until I was just past 30 (unlike TomInFla and CaptainKirkinAZ) who are younger than me but started having kids sooner. Tom's youngest is the age of my eldest.

So, here I am at just over 55 and have a kid who just started college.

Never was in the "hero worship" stage with the Caps. When I started following the Caps, which was only a year after the team started, the guys were close to my age.

I recall you mentioned (in a previous post) that you attended the Panel Discussion with Clark, Knuble, and Pothier and then got the Ovi autograph session. (Wonder if you were behind me.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

lets not forget that Alzner had the good fortune of being drafted in a weak draft (esp for defensemen). Had he gone one yr later he may not even have been drafted in the 1st round. And certainly would not have been the first defenseman taken.

Nolan Baumgartner was also a highly touted dman and I think captain of the canadian olympic team. He was also a "steady positional" defenseman with a bit more offensive flair than Alzner. He was a bust for the Caps. Alzner won't be a bust but he's not a powerful shutdown defenseman. He has to add strength and a bit more attitude in his game. And judging from his comments earlier in the yr, he feels the same way.

Posted by: cstanton1 | November 9, 2009 10:45 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Who is Bogo, anyway?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 9, 2009 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Jschon:
i thought your research was in reference to: Come on. Jurcina, Sloan, and Schultz couldn't crack 3/4 of the NHL teams' lineup right NOW...

now i see it is from: Can you really tell me that any of the top 15 teams in this league would want Schultz?

Better yet, can you tell me that any of the bottom 15 teams by adding Schultz would be a better team?

there are currently 7 teams carrying 8 d

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 11:01 PM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
i believe that would zach bogosian from atl

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 11:05 PM | Report abuse

@Capt Kirk in AZ

I see.

Does it really matter what comment I'm using to defend Schultz. Just pick one. Schultz is easily the most maligned Cap, maybe in history.

Posted by: JSchon | November 9, 2009 11:15 PM | Report abuse

agreed - schultz may be one of the best bargains on the caps

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 11:29 PM | Report abuse

Does it really matter what comment I'm using to defend Schultz. Just pick one

not for the purpose of analysis - but it might make it seem like i only had a buffalo wing in my mouth instead of cornish game hen :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 9, 2009 11:37 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan75--That panel was my favorite. I could have been behind you. They definitely had a different perspective on the game. Felt my age though--I'm 50 with a 9 year old--around Halloween when the older guys talked about stormtrooper costume being their favorite. Me I saw the original Star Wars in the theater. I love how attentivey son is to his hockey. On Saturday his practice overlapped with the game but there was no way he was going to miss practice.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 10, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

Oh! So Bogo is Bogosian of the Flames. Yesm barely older than my younger daughter and of Armenian descent.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 12:18 AM | Report abuse

#Capsyoungguns

Were you behind a middle aged female with dark hair by some chance?

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 12:21 AM | Report abuse

@JSchon

Agree that Schultz is a badly maligned Cap. Is he the most maligned Cap? Well, I'm sure Larry Murphy and Alex Semin would give him a run for the money in that department. Caps fans essentially ran Murphy out of town and seem to be doing the same to Semin.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 12:23 AM | Report abuse

Capsyoungguns:
i'll be joining you in less than a week

CapsFan75:
i never checked before but there are 15 caps (21-28 yrs) in the age range of my kids - which are between 22 and 27

strangely i somehow feel i am now entitled to give unsolicited advice to these guys

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 10, 2009 12:31 AM | Report abuse

CapsFan75:
lets not forget theo. last year i think he got it about as bad anyone else

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | November 10, 2009 12:34 AM | Report abuse

SO?? WHO JUST GOT CoD MW2? ITS WAY TO LATE TO BE BICKERING OVER SHUTLZ,SALARY CAPS OR ANY OTHER STUFF THAT IS NOT RELEVENT.JUST PLAY UR GAME AND ROOT ON UR TEAM!! LETS GO CAPS!!!

Posted by: gratefuldid | November 10, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

if GMGM actually put Nyles through recall waivers I would actually criticize him for once.

Get him in the AHL or send him off to Europe to be a star. It doesn't matter that the Caps get nothing in return but cap space. The cap space provides valuable wiggleroom to trade off unneeded assets while bringing in key pieces. If the caps go further into the playoffs(or god willing win a cup), the new fans, attention, and added revenue would make that 4.5 mil seem like a cheap price.

Posted by: trunkenmath | November 10, 2009 4:33 AM | Report abuse

Greg S,
No sick bag but I was pretty pale. Yes, even more pale than normal, so almost translucent.

JSchon,
Loving the new project. Keep it up, interesting to see how many teams 55 makes.

CapsFan75,
JSchon mistakenly added Flash twice. I merely highlighted it. Funny thing was the guy he missed off by repeating Flash was E.FEHR, someone JSchon has a mancrush on.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 10, 2009 5:30 AM | Report abuse

The Schultz data is very interesting. I posted a month or so back that he was the best defenseman on the Caps based on performance vs salary. That doesn't mean I want 7 Schultz's on defense. It means all your players can't make 5 or 9 million dollars and you'll never win w/o solid contributions from the under $1M guys. Schultz, Steckel, Flash and Bradley are just as important to a winning formula as anyone else on the team.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 6:24 AM | Report abuse

Looks like a deal is finally done everyone.

"Michael Nylander (born October 3, 1972) is a Swedish professional ice hockey centre signed with the Washington Capitals of the National Hockey League (NHL). He is currently playing on loan with HC Dynamo Minsk of the Kontinental Hockey League (KHL)."

That is the now the opening paragraph in for Michael Nylander's wikipedia URL.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Nylander

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 10, 2009 6:27 AM | Report abuse

@Capt_Kirk_in_AZ

You & I can now feel like parents to the Caps.

Theo was trashed pretty good last year but think the bashing of Schultz, Semin, and Larry Murphy has gone no much longer so I rate them as more maligned than Theo.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | November 10, 2009 6:31 AM | Report abuse

Another wikipedia URL. This one is HC Dynamo Minsk. If you scroll down to the roster you will see Nylander on their roster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HC_Dynamo_Minsk

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 10, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

fanohock1: Good research. Those wikipedia people must stay up all night long updating things.

On Semin: The guy really gets banged up a lot. No question this affects his earning potential. I posted a number of relevant salary figues Sunday night and speculated he'd ask for Vanek money at $7.1M. I also suggested it's hard to imagine paying more than Richards money ($6.2M/yr when you drop off the last two "lower" years). The reason I bring this up is Tarik's article about Semin playing with ailments all year. Backie, though, knock on wood, you never hear that.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 6:34 AM | Report abuse

fanohock1: I don't know much about the Russian league but I'm guessing Nylander's new team goes by the name of Minsk Coats.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 6:39 AM | Report abuse

Just to say that Minsk is in Belarus, not Russia.

They are currently captained by ex Panther Ville Peltonenand have the 3rd smallest arena in the KHL.

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | November 10, 2009 7:07 AM | Report abuse

Buffalo Sabres top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Myers
14 games played
3G 5A +6 8pims 20:53ATOI 12hits 16blks
$1.300M
0.0274 ppmp
0.00615 ppdp

Rivet
14 games played
0G 7A -2 23pims 21:05ATOI 6hits 9blks
$3.500M
0.0240 ppmp
0.002 ppdp

Tallinder
14 games played
0G 4A +10 12pims 18:17ATOI 11hits 11blks
$2.563M
0.0156 ppmp
0.0016 ppdp

Butler
14 games played
0G 4A -5 2pims 22:37ATOI 11hits 16blks
$850K
0.0126 ppmp
0.0047 ppdp

Verdict: Who are these guys? They are all Jeff Schultz clones. Schultz would fit right in with the Sabres blueline. Would he be a top 4? You could argue both sides.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 7:20 AM | Report abuse

Calgary Flames top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Dion Phaneuf - no need for stats
Jay Bouwmeester - no need for stats
Robyn Regehr - no need for stats

Giordono
15 games played
1G 6A +1 20pims 18:35ATOI 16hits 19blks
$892K
0.0251 ppmp
0.00784 ppdp

Verdict: This is a great blueline. Sarge would probably in the top 6 at best, top 4, nope.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 7:31 AM | Report abuse

JSchon: I like the D-corps comparisons you have been sharing. Remember the conversation started by also including the fact that Schultz is a bargain at $700 something K. Not sure what Regehr is paid but Phaneuf and Bowmeester make A LOT of money.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 10, 2009 7:43 AM | Report abuse

Carolina Hurricanes top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Pitkanen
11 games played
1G 4A -10 24pims 25:56atoi 10hits 13blks
$4.000M
0.0175 ppmp
0.00125 ppdp

Corvo
16 games played
2G 4A -10 6pims 25:58atoi 8hits 21blks
$2.625M
0.0145 ppmp
0.00229 ppdp

Gleason
11 games played
1G 2A +1 23pims 21:37atoi 28hits 17blks
$2.750M
0.0126 ppmp
0.00109 ppdp

Ward
16 games played
0G 1A -11 14pims 19:05atoi 36hits 33blks
$2.500M
I'm not going to bother

Verdict: This is a horrible team. Should Jeff Schultz be in the top 4, yes, would he behind names like Pitkanen, Ward, Corvo and Gleason? Maybe not. But my guess is that if you pair Gleason and Schultz you'd have a pretty good shutdown line.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 7:47 AM | Report abuse

JSchon: Very good analysis. I can't wait to see how it stacks up on his own team. He's probably tied for 2nd with Pothier.

BTW, Carolina has now been downgraded to the Remnants.

The front has "staaled" out.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 7:50 AM | Report abuse

@Fanhock

I agree with you that salary should be considered, and it is. It just Bouwmeester, Regehr and Phaneuf are all very, very good and all of them could make Team Canada. Believe me, Calgary might have the best D-corp in the league, its not any slight on Schultz for him not to be considered top 4 material with them.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 7:54 AM | Report abuse

Chicago Blackhawks top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Keith? No.
Campbell? No
Seabrook? No

Hjalmarsson
16 games played
1G 3A +6 6pims 19:55atoi 9hits 23blks
$643K
0.0126 ppmp
0.00622 ppdp

Verdict: Our boy Jeff would have a very hard time making the top 6 in Chicago with Sopel and Barker at 5 and 6. Although salary cap wise I think Chicago would be better off with a Schultz/Barker pairing, still not top 4.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 8:08 AM | Report abuse

I guess the hold up on the Morning Reading List is the WaPo crew trying to get confirmation on Nylander being loaned to the KHL. The ONLY place it looks definitive is in wikipedia. Not sure what their source is but his data was updated by wikipedia while he was down in the AHL with Grand Rapids so it is pretty reliable.

Hopefully it will be confirmed soon. I am with everyone else regarding the need for a state at home D instead of Forsberg. If Forsberg comes cheap, 1.5mil or less, he might be worth the chance, but let's face it Caps fans, offense isn't our major issue it's a stay at home D and consistency in net. I know that Forsberg brings a strong 2 way game with him but I doubt he, or Brendan Morrison would be willing to be the 3rd line center.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 10, 2009 8:24 AM | Report abuse

JSCHON...Jeff Schultz (for the money is a good value)...HOWEVER his talent doesn't put him in the top 3 in Hershey.

Carlson
Alzner
Collins

He's probably a very close 4 with Helmer.

Talent wise in Washington:

1)Green (though doesn't know where the dzone is)
2)Shaone M.
3)Pothier
4)Poti

Ok, you got me. Though I'm not a big fan of Jurcina, Sloan, or Erskine (I know why he is still with us).

He might be, wow, he very well could be 2...but I still don't think he is that good (NHL wise). His skating is terrible and he is less physical than Bengt Gustafsson.

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Colorado Avalanche top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Quincey
18 GP
2G 9A +7 14pims 25:21atoi 30hits 41blks
$525K WOW
0.0241 ppmp
0.0209 ppdp WOW

Hannan
18 GP
1G 7A +10 12pims 22:34atoi 17hits 43blks
$4.500M
0.0197 ppmp
0.00177 ppdp

Foote
18 GP
0G 2A +6 26pims 21:27atoi 24hits 28blks
$3.000M
0.0052 ppmp
error

Clark
17 GP
1G 6A +3 2pims 18:49atoi 13hit 57blks
$3.500M
0.0218 ppmp
0.002 ppdp

Verdict: Salei is out, he would be a top 4 guy in my estimation. Quincey is quite a player. My guess is that the Sarge would battle for a top 4 spot but with Michel-Liles playing 17mpg and Salei out, he'd be a 5 or 6 guy at best.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 8:28 AM | Report abuse

Question...what does "ON LOAN" mean? Are we not on the hook for any of his salary?

Actually...what does it mean to our salary cap number of 4.8 million?

Thanks...

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 8:29 AM | Report abuse

On-Loan means, that the Caps have agreed to loan Nylander to another team with an agreement to pay a portion of his salary. He remains Capitals property. He would then be off of the SC hit but we'd owe him the balance of his salary not paid by the team we loaned him to.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 8:33 AM | Report abuse

JSCHON...John Michael Liles is WAY better than Schultz...he's a better skater, makes better reads, more offensive, works the power play...

You know...sometimes the stats don't show the story...

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 8:36 AM | Report abuse

Thanks on the "On Loan" explaination.

And "SARGE" nickname makes me laugh...I'm sure it's very offensive to every Sargent in the military...bc Jeff Schultz is a big softee....lol

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 8:39 AM | Report abuse

Also, on a daily basis, the Caps are almost $5M (prorated by day) under the cap. On a total basis, because he was on the roster for six weeks, we should have about $3.8M in total free cap room. (So you could wait till March 1st and acquire for instance $15.2M worth of players for the final 25% of the season.)

He would come back at the end of the season. The NMC expires July 1st. The caps can then buy him out, waive him, trade him, keep him or whatever for next season. Likely they waive him to send to Hershey and he retires, coming off books.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 8:41 AM | Report abuse

SinkingCaps: I don't think people in the army care about Schultz's nickname. It comes from the TV show Hogan's Heroes, where an actor named John Bannan I think played the dim-witted Sgt Schultz of the vehrmacht.

Now, if any player gets the nickname of Bob Crane, the ladies better beware.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 8:45 AM | Report abuse

Columbus Blue Jackets top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Tyutin
16 GP
1G 6A -4 10pims 22:53atoi 10hits 29blks
$2.844M
0.019 ppmp
0.00246 ppdp

Klesla
16 GP
2G 2A -5 20pims 21:01atoi 22hits 33blks
$2.975
0.0119 ppmp
0.00134 ppdp

Stralman
14 GP
1G 7A -5 4pims 20:16atoi 6hits 15blks
$732K
0.0282 ppmp
0.0109 ppdp

Hejda - IR

Verdict: Jeff Schultz would be in the mix for top 4 spot on the Blue Jackets blueline.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

@sinking

Look, I said with Michel-Liles only playing 17mpg and Salei out, he'd at BEST a 5 or 6.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 8:51 AM | Report abuse

Michael, Michael:
"One man's erotic journey from DC to Minsk"

Posted by: Fro_ | November 10, 2009 9:01 AM | Report abuse

JS...got cha.

Seriously...now with Nylander gone...what is the NEXT move Georgie will make?

Tom...I agree with the Ben Crane ref... lol.

Hogans Heros nickname suits Schultz...clumsy, quirky mindset, unorganized...SARGE IT IS!

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 9:02 AM | Report abuse

Ok, you got me. Though I'm not a big fan of Jurcina, Sloan, or Erskine (I know why he is still with us).

He might be, wow, he very well could be 2...but I still don't think he is that good (NHL wise). His skating is terrible and he is less physical than Bengt Gustafsson.

Posted by: SinkingCaps


Is there a Capital player you DO like?? I haven't seen a positive thing you've written about the Caps. Obviously either a Philly or Pitts fan.

Posted by: Greg S. | November 10, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

Dallas Stars top 4 vs Jeff Schultz

Robidas
17 GP
3G 5A +2 12pims 23:42atoi 55hits 31blks
$3.300M
0.0198 ppmp
0.00242 ppdp

Daley
17 GP
1G 2A +0 2pims 22:45atoi 4hits 21blks
$2.300M
0.0077 ppmp
0.0013 ppdp

Skrastins
17 GP
0G 5A +3 0pims 20:03atoi 8hits 40blks
$1.375M
0.0146 ppmp
0.00362 ppdp

Niskanen
15 GP
0G 5A -5 2pims 19:50atoi 13hits 8blks
$850K
0.0168 ppmp
0.00588 ppdp

Verdict: Schultz would be a top 4 on the Dallas Stars.

Posted by: JSchon | November 10, 2009 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Greg...for you buddy...Caps players I hold in VERY high regard, and I'm sure the NHL GMs would agree with most (I will leave the defense out...because you know already how I feel about them):

1)Dave Steckel- Hard worker, a very good faceoff man, kills penalties, blocks shots. SMART
2) Brooks Laich- Dave Steckel with a scoring or should I say offensive touch. Good team leader with his work ethic.
3) Tomas Fleishman(sp?)- Fast, offensive player with a nice scoring touch. not a top 4-6 on most teams, but a GREAT 3rd liner that can contribute..and can play the power play.
4) Mike Knuble- See brooks laich. Great signing this off season.
5) Nick Backstrom- Best playmaker in the league. Can also kill penalties. Not a great skater but a very smart player to allow his skating to not hold him back. Still a tremendous upside...excited about his next 3-4 years...
6) OVIE- no need to explain.
7) Boyd Gordon- a poor man's steckel..though his inability to stay healthy is not a positive thing.
8) Brendan Morrison- starting to come alive, I still think he's a 3rd line center but is experienced and smart enough to play the system and become a very good 2nd line center.
9) Mathieau Perrault- I like his tenacity, speed and grit. Think he needs to get stronger...but can contribute a little this year and next.
10) Keith Aucion- Potential to contribute this year..but with Gordon/Lang/Perrault it will be tough.
11) Varley- Quick, needs experience to improve. With the caps wasting their time with Theo, he won't get this. Was the ONLY reason the caps had a chance last year vs the Penguins...but he ran out of gas because the caps were getting outshot 2-1 in almost every game.

Guys I like that aren't here:

1) John Carlson- Though they should have called him up last year....but he was too busy leading Hershey to a cup.

2) Karl Alzner- I thought he was solid last year when he got the most minutes. Once his minutes diminished, so did his play. May need to get a little stronger and be a bit more confident, but tremendous upside!

Don't need em:

1) Matt Bradley
2) Quintin Lang (sp)
3) Jose Theodore (maybe for a backup)


Favorite Capital of all time (not on this years team):

John Druce, no just kidding...I don't know...Bondra, Stevens, Iafrate, Hunter, Langway, Olie...??

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

@ Greg S.: Sinking Caps is probably the same "SC" troll who came around last year, just dressed in a "Caps fan" troll suit. Ignore, and he will go away.

Posted by: snakegriffin | November 10, 2009 9:22 AM | Report abuse

sorry snake...wasn't on here last year.

I believe that dummy bettman gave the cup to the Pens via poor officiating.

And the same the year before against the flyers...that was a gift from bettman the OT penalty call.

I can't stand Crosby and I think Malkin is a poor mans Ovechkin...

Years and years of anger built up against the pens...my childhood ruined by Lemieux and Jagr...and then it crushed me to have Jagr come kill us a few years ago...

I was hoping just 1 (ok 2) time we could crush the pens dream...ugh!!!

Posted by: SinkingCaps | November 10, 2009 9:28 AM | Report abuse

i thought the left field comments would have ended by now

Posted by: doughless | November 10, 2009 9:33 AM | Report abuse

I just find it mind boggling that there are Caps fans that continue to say that we have a D corps that wouldn't crack the top 4 on other NHL teams (some say MAYBE Green), and that we have forwards in our top 6 that wouldn't be top 6 on other teams. I have to ask then, if all of that is true, how is the HE double hockey sticks did the Caps post the 2nd best record in the Conference last season and sit at #2 in the Conference this season?

The answer...you skeptics are full of CRAP. Just enjoy the season OK. As long as the team plays well enough to keep acculating points I would be happy with GMGM sitting still with the new found Cap space until the trade deadline, or someone he's had his eye that can help push the Caps over the top becomes available.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 10, 2009 9:34 AM | Report abuse

Then you *must* be a Redskins fan, because I've never seen such a bitter, pessimistic Caps fan. I think most will agree that the defensive corps could be improved, and I think that's exactly what will happen once some of the dead weight from Nylander's contract is relieved.

I'm also annoyed that everyone thinks a defensive callup that's been held back due to the cap is going to be the answer and everything will be great on D. It's just plain silly to think that Alzner or Carlson is going to come up and save the day. I'd love it if that happened, but we need an experienced, disciplined defenseman. I'm of the mind that we could do it with our current team due to the couple of solid, disciplined games I've seen. I'm still puzzled as to why this discipline can't be repeated on a regular basis.

Posted by: snakegriffin | November 10, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

By the way every team needs your Matt Bradleys and Quintan Langs. They serve their purpose for very little money in relative terms. Case and point, Maxime Talbot. Never scored more than 13 goals in any regular season in the NHL. However, he shows up, and shows up big in the playoffs. Scored the goals for Pittsburgh in Game 7 vs the Red Wings to win the Cup. The Wings have always had their Drapers and McCarthy types that stepped up in the playoffs. When those two were in their prime they were major contributors to the championships. Not normally on the scoresheets but with great momentum changing shifts.

Game 5 vs the Rangers last season. Who got our scoring stated? None other than Matt Bradley.

Posted by: fanohock1 | November 10, 2009 9:42 AM | Report abuse

Matt Bradley and Quintin Laing are like Budweiser. You wouldn't have them at a wedding but it's hard to beat them at their price.

Posted by: tominfl1 | November 10, 2009 9:57 AM | Report abuse

Apparently not doughless--sinking tried to soar but now is souring. Hope I never have the misfortune of sitting next to that fan at one of the games!
Happy Birthday capt. Kirk--we did a nice evening out witha nice red wine for the Caps of course as tominfl1 would. I think I agree with capsfan75 that Knuble's and B-Mo's addition to the team made a nice birthday present. Have really enjoyed them and it's been great to have Flash back making such a big splash.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | November 10, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

I'm with fanohock1 on this one. Leave the team alone. Everybody on the team has contributed to the successes the past few years and deserves our support and the chance to go further. We have the right ingredients, and weaknesses can be corrected, ie. by season's end, the powerplay will probably be in the top 5. Furthermore, trading guarantees nothing. We have seen busts, and why mess with the chemistry. 10 years ago I would have loved the likes of Forsberg coming our way, but no need for him now.

Posted by: gonchpup | November 10, 2009 11:36 AM | Report abuse

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