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Caps loan Michael Nylander to AHL's Rochester Americans

Katie's en route to Boston for tonight's preseason game, but here's some news in the Michael Nylander saga:

Via On Frozen Blog (via the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle):

The Florida Panthers have found their replacement in Rochester for injured center Mark Cullen, thanks to the Washington Capitals.
Center Michael Nylander has been loaned to the Panthers/Amerks.
It's a significant move because the Panthers will be paying most or all of Nylander's $3 million salary. [Update: The Miami Herald reports that this is not the case; Washington will pay Nylander's salary and the Panthers will pay the Capitals "a nominal fee."]
Nylander, 38, is ultimately hoping to prove he's still NHL worthy. A native of Stockholm, Sweden, he has played 18 pro seasons in North America.
"He's coming here to help our young guys," Panthers assistant general manager Mike Santos said. "He's not coming here grumbling. He wants to resurrect his career for one more shot."

CSN's Corey Masisak confirms the move through the team.

The Caps loaned Nylander, 38, to the AHL's Grand Rapids Griffins in December after months of tension and distraction. "We just made it clear last spring that the year didn't go the way he wanted or we wanted and maybe it was time to look at something else," General Manager George McPhee said at the time.

Other odds and ends
* Better late than never, here are some photos of last night's game at Verizon Center.

*Comcast SportsNet just announced that it's adding a pregame Caps show this season.

By Lindsay Applebaum  | September 29, 2010; 1:47 PM ET
Categories:  Michael Nylander  
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Comments

Good riddance...Again

Posted by: ZMANN84 | September 29, 2010 2:02 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: struggler | September 29, 2010 2:08 PM | Report abuse

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Posted by: PhilR | September 29, 2010 2:10 PM | Report abuse

@Section416akatheAlps from last thread. Backstrom was never going to play in the game last night (at least he was never "in the lineup"). They are playing three games in four days and with so many players still in camp they are going to give guys days off and Backstrom had also already played a game and will probably play tonight and Friday with a strong possibility of the last preseason game as well.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 2:16 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone could find out the real story behind the Nylandering of Nylander. Florida Panthers AHL affiliate? At least Redden got shipped to the Rangers AHL team.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Does this mean he wont be suiting up against Boston tonight? I was looking forward to seeing him play and comparing him to the kids being we have a center log jam and cuts to make.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 29, 2010 2:32 PM | Report abuse

If the Panthers are allowed to pay his AHL salary why didn't they just trade us a 7th rounder for him. That way if need be they could move him up to the NHL.

Posted by: ThePat | September 29, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

Woohoo! Almost as good as free donuts!

Posted by: JIMALLCAPS1 | September 29, 2010 2:41 PM | Report abuse

ThePat:
i think loaning means the caps pay his salary and he still takes up a 'contract' spot

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 29, 2010 2:42 PM | Report abuse

I wish someone could find out the real story behind the Nylandering of Nylander. Florida Panthers AHL affiliate? At least Redden got shipped to the Rangers AHL team.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

no real story. the caps could have sent him to hershey but they don't want to take playing time away from their younger centers. not to mention that his style doesn't exactly mesh with the bears style.

there is no way he was ever going to play in DC, while there is some possibility that the rags would call up redden in case of injuries to the other dmen.

makes sense, yes?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | September 29, 2010 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@ablake70. We have a lot of young centers who need to get playing time in the AHL. The Panthers do not have that issue right now so they needed someone who could help fill their AHL roster and could help their young guys, say what you want about him he played almost 1000 NHL games and can give their young guys some pointers.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 2:47 PM | Report abuse

It said in article that Florida would be paying most of salary. Someone asked, though, why not just trade him? Well, if we traded him, and Florida assigned him to Rochester, he'd have to go through reverse waivers then if they recalled him to Panthers. This way, he plays for Rochester, FL evidently pays, and if the Panthers want to recall him, at that time a trade is consumed between DC and FL. That way I think the reverse waivers is avoided. (FL does not want to be on the hook for the unlikely possibility he could get claimed for half price.)

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 29, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

Can someone who was at the game tell me if the ice was any better. This is roughly like it would be in the spring and I am curious since Ted took over if it was any better.......thanks

Posted by: RichC3 | September 29, 2010 2:50 PM | Report abuse

BTW for those looking to watch the game tonight the Caps site right now has only indicated audio but the B's site says they will be streaming the game.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

Ooops. Trade was consummated, not consumed.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 29, 2010 2:52 PM | Report abuse

Side note on the B's stream it says you have to join their email newsletter to get the link. I am sure that atdhe or one of the other sites will have a feed since there is one available.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 2:53 PM | Report abuse

Tom....you were almost right, Nyls has consumed to much of our time.

Posted by: RichC3 | September 29, 2010 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@ Tom at half price I wouldn't be surprised to see the Flames take a run at him right now given their injury issues.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 2:57 PM | Report abuse

@ dcsportsfan1

The Rangers will never recall Redden for fear of someone claiming him on re-entry waivers. Also, if the issue really is that the Caps have too many young centers, they would have let Aucoin go.

The report indicates the 38-year old Nylander will suit up with the Rochester Americans of the AHL until such time he's ready to return to the NHL.

This quote from the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle suggests that Nylander will return to the NHL at some point. As The Pat asked, why not just make the trade with the Panthers?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 2:58 PM | Report abuse

I am praying for a trade to be announced by Friday to get the Caps at least one of the pieces needed, preferably the SAH Dman since it seems the kids will be able to handle 2C at least until the trade deadline. Something has got to be brewing, entirely too much secrecy.

Posted by: PhilR | September 29, 2010 3:00 PM | Report abuse

How old does Nylander have to get, and after how many years of mediocre performance in minor league hockey, before some people here will accept that the guy just can't play anymore?

Posted by: zmega | September 29, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

@RichC3

It looked ok to me last night, then again beer goggles can make unattractive women hot, I am certain they can make bad ice look solid.

It was my understanding that all our ice issues last year was when there was a Wizards game the night before or 2 nights before. Wizards game before a Caps game means soft ice. But I could be wrong.

Posted by: SeminAllOverTheIce | September 29, 2010 3:02 PM | Report abuse

@ tominsocal1

Nylander cleared waivers, but was never re-assigned to Hershey, so technically he was still with the Caps. I believe, once the Caps completed the trade with Florida, they are of the hook if Florida assigns him to Rochester.

You are right. We have spent too much time on the Nyles saga. But if a team wants him and wants to pay his salary, GMGM should just let him go.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 3:09 PM | Report abuse

Apparently the part of the story where the Panthers are picking up part of the salary is wrong. It's just a straight up loan where the Caps are paying it.

Posted by: ThePat | September 29, 2010 3:15 PM | Report abuse

ablake70: Yes, I understand, Caps are off the hook once they've traded him. But you aren't looking at it from Florida perspective. If they take Nyles in trade and assign him to Roch, then attempt to bring him up to parent club, re-entry waivers are required. Should he be claimed, unlikely but possible, Florida would have to pay half of salary and would have gotten nothing.

FL and Caps probably have a pre-arranged trade (#7 pick) for when they decide he is ready for Panthers, and at that time he will go direct as a trade and then no waivers.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 29, 2010 3:18 PM | Report abuse

the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle article says:
"It’s a significant move, given Nylander’s talent level. I still need to clairify who’s paying his $3 million salary. I initially understood it to be the Panthers (I may have misheard or misinterpretted); I’m told it will still be coming from the Caps’ bank account."

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 29, 2010 3:19 PM | Report abuse

i hear GM traded Nyles for the rights to Nathan Horton. Apparently this offseason McPhee didn't get a chance to catch up on all the deals that went down since he's been on vacation since game 7.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 29, 2010 3:22 PM | Report abuse

"Yes, I understand, Caps are off the hook once they've traded him. But you aren't looking at it from Florida perspective. If they take Nyles in trade and assign him to Roch, then attempt to bring him up to parent club, re-entry waivers are required. Should he be claimed, unlikely but possible, Florida would have to pay half of salary and would have gotten nothing.

FL and Caps probably have a pre-arranged trade (#7 pick) for when they decide he is ready for Panthers, and at that time he will go direct as a trade and then no waivers."

I agree with this as it makes sense from all sides.

However, if the Caps are on the hook for Nylander's salary(which would make sense because I would find it surprising if the Panthers ownership took on the $3M salary figuring how little they like to spend) then any possible trade is unlikely.

Remember, Florida could have had Nylander for free by picking him up off waivers. So why would they trade a 7th round draft pick for him now?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 29, 2010 3:28 PM | Report abuse

i see a horse on the horizon - looks like it's laying on its side. (walking with my whip in hand...)

here goes:
good cap management by the caps

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 29, 2010 3:33 PM | Report abuse

"So why would they trade a 7th round draft pick for him now?"

stranger things have happened

Didn't McPhee once trade a 3rd round pick to Nashville for a player who had no intentions of ever playing in north america and who was useless to begin with even had he come over? Or maybe he eventually did come over but was useless and went back.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 29, 2010 3:35 PM | Report abuse

@ tominsocal1

Good point! I didn't think (or care) about the Florida perspective. I just want the Nyles situation resolved. The Caps jettison a center, yet have not been able to find a suitable replacement. Bad Karma?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

Now it makes sense, sgm. Caps are paying salary, not FL, until he is in game shape and Panthers need him. At that time, Caps can put him on waivers again and FL could claim (you can re-do waivers every 30 days). Or, if a trade is the desired route, for whatever reason, you must trade something in return. Likely though Caps would just waive him again and FL claims.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 29, 2010 3:38 PM | Report abuse

Didn't McPhee once trade a 3rd round pick to Nashville for a player who had no intentions of ever playing in north america and who was useless to begin with even had he come over? Or maybe he eventually did come over but was useless and went back.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 29, 2010 3:35 PM

I remember McPhee traded a 2nd round pick, Oscar Osala, and Brian Pothier, for a slightly less physical, (supposedly) more offensive Brian Pothier.

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 3:44 PM | Report abuse

unlike last season, Nylander's salary isn't a cause for concern at all. Not sure why some people seem to be pent up about this. It's get Nyles away from hershey and off the caps hands... who cares if the caps have to pay...

the trick would be to get Florida to take him off our hands completely during the season. :-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 29, 2010 3:49 PM | Report abuse

Wow. I can tell it's been a long day. I clicked on CI and saw "Caps Assign Michael Nylander to Rochester" and read it as "Caps Assign Michal Neuvirth to Rochester" and had a brief heart attack. Is it time to go home yet? I think my brain is fried.

Posted by: tess2201 | September 29, 2010 3:52 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73: "who cares if the caps have to pay"

I do. I think Ted covered that $3 million by adding 4 bucks to the price of every ticket this season (4 x 41 x 18277 = 2,997,428). At least that would explain some of the rather massive increase in prices this year...

Posted by: yosemite_sam | September 29, 2010 4:02 PM | Report abuse

@PhilR: Aww, c'mon! The approx. $600 1st place payoff at season's end would make your blood way richer! Hehehehe.

Posted by: struggler | September 29, 2010 4:05 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM73: "who cares if the caps have to pay"

I do. I think Ted covered that $3 million by adding 4 bucks to the price of every ticket this season (4 x 41 x 18277 = 2,997,428). At least that would explain some of the rather massive increase in prices this year...

Posted by: yosemite_sam
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@yosemite_sam: your point is well taken!

moving on...
My thoughts based on camp and the games so far:
- Perreault and MoJo flip-flop between #2 and #3 centers all year long
- Eakin back to Junior's (no need to rush him with Perreault and MoJo here
- there is no place for Flash on this team when Laich and Semin are the 2nd line wingers and Chimera and Fehr the 3rd line wingers. Trade him and Gordon or Steckel and Erskine/Sloan + a prospect/pick (maybe) for a top 4 D please!
- I like DJ King but I like Hendricks more!
- AGordon needs to never be sent down to the AHL and go through waivers. We will lose him and he's more valuable that other forwards up here.
- Bradley needs to play every game. he's a heart and soul dude!
- Neuvy for #1Goalie.

Go Caps!

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 29, 2010 4:11 PM | Report abuse

I do. I think Ted covered that $3 million by adding 4 bucks to the price of every ticket this season (4 x 41 x 18277 = 2,997,428). At least that would explain some of the rather massive increase in prices this year...

Posted by: yosemite_sam | September 29, 2010 4:02 PM

that makes me wonder - do nhl teams have to share a percentage of their gate with the visiting team?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 29, 2010 4:15 PM | Report abuse

@yosemite_sam One thing you have to keep in mind is the Caps still have one of the lowest ticket prices in the league. The league does have some revenue sharing and Ted took some heat this offseason because he took a fair amount of the money because their income was so low even will all of the sell outs and that is because the ticket prices are so much lower then a lot of other teams.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 4:21 PM | Report abuse

@icehammer97:

You can bet TL has a formula for maximizing gate sales in combination with getting his max amount of the revenue sharing. He's no fool! LOL

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 29, 2010 4:24 PM | Report abuse

Any guess of what the lineup will look like tonight?

Posted by: ablake70 | September 29, 2010 4:35 PM | Report abuse

Ted upped the price of beer by .50 per.

Also, installed drink shelves in the bathrooms (at least the one near my section anyway). The front face of all the stairs are also painted red. Looked pretty cool.

Posted by: Steve_R | September 29, 2010 4:41 PM | Report abuse

I know we've been through this, but does anybody out there know what the heck Nylander did to GMGM? Even after all this time I'm still very curious, I don't know why. I guess it's like rubbernecking at an accident scene. There has to be something good...a punch thrown, a loud burp during a team meeting, calling his house at 2am and hanging up, toilet papering his front yard, something!

Posted by: kcbrichmond | September 29, 2010 4:44 PM | Report abuse

kcbrichmond,

How about maybe his shoulder not healing up the way it needed to to play the game at the NHL level?

Posted by: Steve_R | September 29, 2010 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Here's last year's story on comparative ticket pricing (courtesy of http://www.andrewsstarspage.com/index.php/site/comments/nhl_average_ticket_prices_since_1994_95/119-2008-09)

Team 2009-10
League Average $51.41
Toronto $117.49
Montreal $72.18
Vancouver $62.05
Minnesota $61.28
Philadelphia $60.25
Calgary $59.73
Edmonton $59.71
NY Rangers $58.57
Pittsburgh $55.55
Boston $54.94
Ottawa $52.77
NY Islanders $51.46
Florida $48.76
Atlanta $48.51
Nashville $48.36
New Jersey $48.05
Columbus $47.66
Los Angeles $47.20
Chicago $46.80
Detroit $46.60
Washington $44.75
Anaheim $43.50
San Jose $43.07
Colorado $40.62
Carolina $38.38
St. Louis $37.90
Phoenix $37.45
Buffalo $36.43
Tampa Bay $35.76
Dallas $35.66

If you take out the Canadian teams, especially the insanity that is Toronto, the Caps are pretty near the middle. I'd expect us to be moving on up this list for 2010-11, but it will be interesting to see.

Posted by: yosemite_sam | September 29, 2010 4:53 PM | Report abuse

Yep, you got it, Nyls actually can still play at a NHL all-star level, but he offended GMGM. GMGM then convinced every hockey organization in North America and Europe not to sign him, out of revenge. And even when Nyls did get a chance to play in the AHL, GMGM convinced the game officials and all of the players to conspire to not let Nyls look good. Such is the awesome power of GMGM.

Posted by: zmega | September 29, 2010 4:54 PM | Report abuse

If you take out the Canadian teams, especially the insanity that is Toronto, the Caps are pretty near the middle. I'd expect us to be moving on up this list for 2010-11, but it will be interesting to see.

Posted by: yosemite_sam
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Um, why would you take out the canadian teams when comparing ticket prices in the NHL? that doesn't make sense to me. Anyone else?

Using all teams, the Caps are 20th out of 30 teams, and are at the very top of the bottom third (20 out of 30, or 33%) of the team ticket prices.

I too expect prices to go up in the near future.

On a side note: is anyone else shocked to see these 2 teams above us in ticket prices?
Florida $48.76
Atlanta $48.51

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 29, 2010 5:02 PM | Report abuse

@FrankM

On a side note because of that is anyone shocked that their arenas are normally half empty.

Posted by: ThePat | September 29, 2010 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@ThePat:
Yeah but that just seems to reek of poor manageme... oh wait, it's Atlanta and Florida... nevermind! :-| hehe

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 29, 2010 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Actually Nylander's stats for Grand Rapids last season weren't bad. Sorry I brought up a sore subject for the GMGM/BB Kool Aid drinker's society! Go Caps!

Posted by: kcbrichmond | September 29, 2010 5:16 PM | Report abuse

> Um, why would you take out the canadian teams when comparing ticket prices in the NHL? that doesn't make sense to me. Anyone else?

Because the supply/demand curves for hockey tickets are completely different in Canada than in the U.S. - which is why their prices are so much higher on average.

It won't surprise me to see the Caps' average hit somewhere in the $55-60 range. Last year I had a package that worked out to $45/seat; the same thing this year is $65/seat. My $55-60 guess assumes that's a pretty extreme example.

And good luck to Florida on filling that arena.

Anyway, I'll put down the stick and back away from the horse now, before it turns completely to dust...

Posted by: yosemite_sam | September 29, 2010 5:24 PM | Report abuse

@ kcbrichmond. No NHL team thought he was worth the money he is making. Teams also didn't seem to be knocking down the Caps door to try and get him loaned to their AHL teams to help them. Last year Grand Rapids agreed to take him because half of their players were in Detroit because of how many guys they had out. It is the same here with the Americans. Peter De Boeer is on NHL Power Play right now and basicly said Nylander is there because Cullen got hurt and they needed a player to replace him.

Posted by: icehammer97 | September 29, 2010 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Toronto $117.49
aren't all of toronto's seats front row center ice?
seems reasonable to me

i can't believe how bad i have it.
i pay $170 for every game - not just the caps
i can pause the action to go to the concession stand...
where its only about $1.50 per beer
parking is free
and ... i can't leave work until around 4ish to 'get' to the game

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 29, 2010 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Video link for tonight's game:

http://video.bruins.nhl.com/videocenter/console?id=76525&catid=616

This will save you the hassle of signing up for the stupid Bruins fan club.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | September 29, 2010 5:50 PM | Report abuse

i can't believe how bad i have it.
i pay $170 for every game - not just the caps
i can pause the action to go to the concession stand...
where its only about $1.50 per beer
parking is free
and ... i can't leave work until around 4ish to 'get' to the game

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ
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A-f'ing-Men to that dude! :-)

and my beer is Kiran Ichiban, or Fat Tire, or Molson XXX, or Yuengling, Alexander Kieth's IPA, or Guiness, or a Kilkenny, or a... wait, well you get the idea! :-)

Posted by: FrankM73 | September 29, 2010 6:07 PM | Report abuse

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