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Mike Green left off Team Canada's roster

Team Canada just announced its Vancouver roster, and Mike Green -- described by many as being right on the bubble -- didn't make the cut. It's a big disappointment for the Caps defenseman, who spoke last week about his desire to represent his country at the Games.

Here's the complete roster from CTVOlympics.ca.

Final list of Caps Olympians:

Russia

F Ovechkin »

F Semin »

G Varlamov »

Sweden

F Backstrom »

Czech Republic

F Fleischmann »

By Lindsay Applebaum  |  December 30, 2009; 12:28 PM ET
 | Tags: Mike Green, Olympics  
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Comments

D'oh! Oh well, at least he'll be nice and fresh for a full playoff run.

Posted by: mokentoff | December 30, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

I think it is a travesty Mike Green did not make the Canadian Team. The Canadian defense is going to be suspect with slow skaters like Pronger on the back end on the Olympic ice sheet. At least Green will be rested for the playoff push.

Posted by: robostop10 | December 30, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

hope he can shake this off and concentrate on a Stanley Cup- prove all of them wrong!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 30, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

BOOO! Become a US citizen Mike!

Posted by: brian58 | December 30, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

I cannot figure out why he does not get the respect he deserves. This really stinks for Green.

Posted by: crooks_c | December 30, 2009 12:32 PM | Report abuse

And now I can root against Team Can(t)ada with a mighty clear conscience.

Posted by: mokentoff | December 30, 2009 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Isn't Knuble in the running to make the US squad?

Or have I been drinking too much?

Get on the boat. The motorboat.

Posted by: CF11555 | December 30, 2009 12:35 PM | Report abuse

sorry green....


but now at least we can all root against canada and for anyone they play!!

Posted by: mrszilla | December 30, 2009 12:36 PM | Report abuse

Not only Green, but Phaneuf was left off. Meanwhile, they take a guy like Pronger.

Let's go USA. Let's go Russia and Sweden! Let's go Czech Rep - (no, they have Jagr, sorry Flash).

ABC!!!!!!!!

Anybody But Canada!

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

no mike fisher, st. louis or vinny on the team either, surprising

Posted by: _stevo | December 30, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Here, here, mokentoff! Team Canada's loss will be ever so sweet without Green as a casualty. Look for Team Canada to get creamed!!!!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | December 30, 2009 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Phaneuf sucks.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

Screw Canada..

I'm no fan of Crosby's -- but Canada left him off the roster in 2006 and look what happened. Those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it. I'd take Green over five of those guys on their roster.. hilarious..

Those clowns always go with the safe bet instead of the offense. No Green? Screw Canada. For that matter why haven't they given Boudreau a call?

The only reason the Canadians will get a medal this time is because they've cheated, and will use the NHL-size ice rink.

Screw Canada, go Sweden.

Oneal

Posted by: thetick73 | December 30, 2009 12:38 PM | Report abuse

As an aside, Lepisto is playing for Finland.

Posted by: RichC3 | December 30, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

NHL Channel on FIOS is out in MD and VA. Think its an NHL plot? Too bad for Mike--ABC is right!

Posted by: melissa2809 | December 30, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Dan Boyle? Brent Seabrook? Drew Doughty? Really, Stevie?

Posted by: farmgirl19C | December 30, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

It sucks for Greenie, but having him rested and mad as hell with a huge chip on his shoulder isn't necessarily a bad thing for the caps.

Posted by: hook99 | December 30, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

This was his last chance to make the Olympics...

I really dislike Canada... I mean what cool food do they have?

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Was it not the wise people of South Park who said "Blame Canada"

F-um. Hope they don't even medal.....

Posted by: CF11555 | December 30, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

>>Insider notes: Team Canada's brass met until midnight, and the most discussed topic was the seventh defenceman, according to TSN analyst Pierre McGuire. The two players they were talking about: Doughty and Bouwmeester.

from: http://www.ctvolympics.ca/hockey/news/newsid=24190.html?cid=rsstsn

Can't believe Green wasn't even close.

Posted by: justbrewit | December 30, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

JSchon - Well, they do have poutine...

Too bad for Greenie. I'm not his biggest fan, but I think he deserved to go especially when they chose Boyle instead. If you are going to take an offensive type D, why not take the best one?

Posted by: WVPhil | December 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Poutine?

I guess it's "cool", but it's sure f'n gross.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Was'nt Scott Stevens left off Team Canada's roster as well -- maybe 1986??? Someone with long memories, please refresh that thought. And, Stevens only went on to become a hockey legend, first ballot HOFer. Oh well, here is a holiday cheer to change the mood:

I’m dreaming of a white Kovalchuk
Just like the ones who light the red goal glow
Where we trade Semin,
and send a Fehr packin
To hear June cowbells and goal sirens blow

I’m dreaming of a white Kovalchuk
With every stupid Semin penalty’s sight
May Waddell not back at the deal in fright
And may all other offers for Kovi be slight

I’m dreaming of a white Kovalchuk
With every lazy Semin shift’s sight
May another deal see Theo take flight
And may all that cap space mean Cup in ‘10, alright!

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | December 30, 2009 12:45 PM | Report abuse

Really tough defense to crack...Green's offense is appealing but Team Canada does not need offense...I think his lack of defensive discipline killed his chances. Not too surprised...I just hope he doesn't go into a mental shell - depression.

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 30, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

Total nonsense. He's being judged based on his performance in the playoffs last season and not on his performance so far this season. We were all frustrated with that too but it's widely accepted at this point that he was banged up during the playoffs.

"Blame Canada! Blame Canada! With all their hockey hullabaloo and that b!tch Anne Murry too!"

Posted by: RicketyCricket | December 30, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

@Robostop10

They are playing where the Canucks play...not on an olympic sheet this year...regulation NHL sheet of ice. This D is built towards the North American game....Leaving Green off is not a shock. Canada will have plenty of O up front and as good as Brodeur is they'll need defensive D men to play in front of him or Luongo....the one goalie that can steal big time games (and that has done it recently hence back to back finals appearances) is Marc Andre from Pitt...

Posted by: rdiehljr | December 30, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

I can understand why Caps fans would want to see him make the team, but to say his exclusion was equal to that of Crosby's is pretty far-fetched. I'm sure Ovie was salivating at the prospect of playing against him as he's well aware of his defensive shortcomings. Don't think for a second that scenario didn't come into play for Yzerman and Canadian committee. Anyway, Bouwmeester would have made it before him and would have been a better choice than Green.

Posted by: nhl3000 | December 30, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Kovalchuk is my favorite player in the HL right now, but no.

Again, why the hell would ATL ever make this deal? It's wishful thinking at it's finest.

The concentration/songwriting should be focused towards; Sens tanking, muffing up their talks with Volchenkov, trading for Volchenkov, trading Poti, signing Volchenkov to "Poti-money."

Write a song about that.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Mikey, feel free to get 30 G, 100 Pts, and +50 for the Caps to remind Canada what we know already!

My homer picks are now:
1. USA
2. Russia
3. Sweden

Posted by: malujoker | December 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

I really dislike Canada... I mean what cool food do they have?

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 12:43 PM


Poutine. It's God's only gift to Canada.

Posted by: Fro_ | December 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

Selfishly, I am glad for the Caps that Green didn't go.

He has played so many minutes this year with the injuries on defense and we really need him in peak form come April and May/June.

The Caps already have 5 players going to the Olympics and there is a concern about a post-Olympics letdown because of the emotional and physical drain these guys will feel playing for their respective countries.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse

GO DOUGHTY! Too bad for Greenie. He can try to outshine Boyle and Dougty over the next two games. No Phaneuf?

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Good, maybe this will serve as incentive to eliminating stupid plays

Posted by: dinoflint | December 30, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

Reason I thought Green would be included is that he create a different look than the other defensive pairings, therefore could create matchup problems for opposing teams.

Easier to defend against teams if you expect similar traits on all 3 lines.

Posted by: justbrewit | December 30, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

@jschon, you obviously have never eaten the gastronomic pleasures of poutine.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mikey. Sounds like you finished 9th behind Bowmeester. I wear a #52 jersey to every game, but I think I understand what happened. Team Canada decided they didn't need a turn-over machine. This will give you an opportunity to stay home and work on your concentration. You'll be there in four years.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | December 30, 2009 12:52 PM | Report abuse

I was hoping that Green would make team Canada, but I'm not really surprised that he was left off the roster. Green gives the puck up a lot between the blue lines. You can get away with that sometimes, but not in the Olympics with all of the skilled forwards on the ice.

Just trying to be objective.

Posted by: brihobbs | December 30, 2009 12:53 PM | Report abuse

And again for those that moved to this thread before I posted:

No Erskine??

Posted by: DaveUKCapsFan | December 30, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

I'm going to make poutine tonight for dinner.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 12:55 PM | Report abuse

The small NHL ice surface sealed Green's fate. On a legitimate international rink, Green is a high pick IMO. On NHL network, they said that Green was never really in the discussion for the final d-man slot.

Posted by: zmega | December 30, 2009 12:56 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

Totally with you on that. I actually think Volchenkov is the missing piece. A Russian Scott Stevens.

But, if I am Bryan Murray why would I move him?? Not for Poti. For Carlson, yes. And, I think McPhee should do it. Carlson+picks = Volchenkov.

Re: Kovalchuk...what else coudl Waddell get for him in this league that would be close to Semin??? Anyone..anyone...Bueller?. The Oilers are hot on Kovi trail, but what could they possibly give Waddell that comes close to Semin. Nothing. Exhibit A: Kessell -- yeah, division trades never happen, NOT!

Kovalchuk + Volchenkov = Cup

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | December 30, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Wait, nevermind. I dislike all things Canada.

I'm going to burn my "Matrix" dvd, but not "Point Break", Bodie was the man. RIP.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

My biggest fear was Ovie crunching Green into next week and having him out of the Caps line-up for a month or taking a slap-shot off the ankle. Now I can root against OCanada for every game they play now.

Looks like they picked the team for what you have done before as opposed to how your playing now.

Posted by: Capsfannmiss | December 30, 2009 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@#$% CANADA!! I was gonna root for Russia anyways, but now Canada can @#$% my @#$%! It would rule if Canada didn't even medal. Go Russia, and then Sweden! (and then Czech).

On the flip side, I'm glad Greenie will (should) be well-rested and healed for a (hopefully) long playoff run.

Posted by: sargeantmofo | December 30, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@Robostop10

They are playing where the Canucks play...not on an olympic sheet this year...regulation NHL sheet of ice. This D is built towards the North American game....Leaving Green off is not a shock. Canada will have plenty of O up front and as good as Brodeur is they'll need defensive D men to play in front of him or Luongo....the one goalie that can steal big time games (and that has done it recently hence back to back finals appearances) is Marc Andre from Pitt...

Posted by: rdiehljr | December 30, 2009 12:47 PM | Report abuse

then why no pheneuf?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Will be LMaO when Greeie wins the Cup and the Norris!

Posted by: IceNutz | December 30, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

I think it is a travesty Mike Green did not make the Canadian Team. The Canadian defense is going to be suspect with slow skaters like Pronger on the back end on the Olympic ice sheet. At least Green will be rested for the playoff push.

Posted by: robostop10 | December 30, 2009 12:30 PM | Report abuse

If you think that they were considering Green for his defensive skills, you are mistaken. His value is his offensive ability and Team Canada needed a stay-at-home defensemen to fill out the roster.

Posted by: capsfan5 | December 30, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

@Political_Stratgst

There were no olympics in 1986, would have been either 88 or 84

Posted by: pebowers | December 30, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Sorry, Mike, that Team Canada will lose without you! (How sweet will that be?!)


Go USA! Go Russia and Sweden! And please, no Caps injuries.

Posted by: dccitizen1 | December 30, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

If Canada wins the gold, it should come with an asterisk because they scammed to get the smaller rink.

Posted by: zmega | December 30, 2009 1:01 PM | Report abuse

@Pol_Strat

If Murray knows he isn't re-signing Anton (though all indications are right now pointing that he's happy in Ottawa and is going to sign long-term), then it wouldn't be his price to name. Again, this is relying on the Sens tanking.

A 2nd rounder for a pending UFA who has no intention on re-signing sounds fair enough. If needed, we can throw in a roster guy to them to beat out other teams. Also, note that I NEVER said to trade Poti to OTT. You're right, they would never make that deal.

RE; Kovy

Nashville and LA could offer up much better deals. Why would they downgrade their superstar to Semin for no reason? To get Fehr? Hah...NSH and LA are STOCKED with prospects who would be much more suitable to a team like ATL who would rebuild.

But honestly, I see him re-signing. ATL is starting to play some decent hockey, if Waddell plays his cards right, we could have a threat in our own division. (F"U Canes, you suck this year)

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

then why no pheneuf?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 12:59 PM |

Because he sucks?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

Dan Boyle is the player Green was competing with.

They'll see eachother tonight.

Get fired up Greenie. Hattrick time.

I'd be shocked if we didn't see Green take it to another level tonight.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 1:03 PM | Report abuse

offtopic question: As luck (or non-luck) would have it, I have to be out of town during the Kings game. I'm DVRing it, but was thinking of getting a Swingbox to watch on the laptop while gone. Anyone ever any thoughts on the device? Is it worth it?

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

I hope Green uses this as motivation. It is really hard to forget just how bad he was in the playoffs last year. He had more assists for the other teams with his giveaways. Hopefully this fires him up to prove his critics wrong. I also hope this motivates him to take better care of the puck.

Posted by: srobert1117 | December 30, 2009 1:05 PM | Report abuse

It's the holiday season, so we should be able to wish for a Poti for Volchenkov deal.

Posted by: zmega | December 30, 2009 1:06 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

I really can't comprehend your allegiances.

Your favorite player is Kovalchuk.

You're a Kings fan.

And you're also a Caps fan?

I've been a Caps fans since the early 80s and I was born in '76. My father has been going to games since the team was founded. Neither of us can comprehend having any ties to any other team or having a favorite player that plays for any other team. I wouldn't care if we were the worst team in the league without a single elite player - the Caps would still be my only team and the only players I root for.

I just don't get it but to each his own.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Easy on the Canada bashing folks. Some of us are Canadian...

Posted by: Aldred15 | December 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I feel bad for Greenie. IMO I think he's been really solid defensively this season and is still getting a bad rap because of his playoff performance. I hope this makes him that much hungrier for the Caps. And may the Canadians come to rue the day they left Green off their team!! I will be happily rooting for the Russian, US, and Swedish teams.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 30, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Green. Maybe next time.

We can't afford Kovalchuk. End of discussion.

How about getting Volchenkov from the Sens for a couple of picks and...ummm, oh I don't know...Jeff Schultz?

Posted by: jmurray019 | December 30, 2009 1:08 PM | Report abuse

I should add that if you were talking about former Caps playing for another team, that would be one thing but Kovalchuk and the Kings?

Again, to each his own. I just can't even begin to comprehend it as a Caps fan and a Caps fan only.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:09 PM | Report abuse

one less guy to worry about getting hurt in the games that don't count as far as I'm concerned.

Posted by: joek443 | December 30, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

I am praying for the Sens to tank this year so the Caps have a better chance of getting Volchenkov. He's my fourth favorite player in the league and is exactly what the Caps need.

Posted by: Aldred15 | December 30, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

The concentration/songwriting should be focused towards; Sens tanking, muffing up their talks with Volchenkov, trading for Volchenkov, trading Poti, signing Volchenkov to "Poti-money."

Write a song about that.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 12:48 PM | Report abuse
------------
How about a trade for Phillips?

nice stabilizing D-man, with veteran leadership

Posted by: elicea | December 30, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

I have been in the DC area all my life. My "allegiance" lies with the Capitals.

But, I am a fan of hockey. When Kovalchuk burst onto the scenes as a rookie, I was blown away by him. And we saw a lot of him. My favorite player has been a Cap a lot of times. Dino Ciccarelli...Gonchar... But I have been infatuated with Kovy since he came to the NHL and I still am. My second favorite would be our own Backstrom, then I'd say Rick Nash. Again..I am a fan of good hockey. I also don't want to undermine the energy Ovie brings to the Caps..but..he's not my favorite player. Favorite players don't = the best players, it's a completely subjective opinion.

As for the Kings, I have explained it before. I just consider them my "West" team, but they aren't even near the level of my fanatical Caps love.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:11 PM | Report abuse

Like it or not, folks, there shouldn't be any surprise here. Yzerman had great offensive numbers early in his career, but he didn't become a truly great player (and win 3 Cups) until Scotty Bowman convinced him to become an excellent two-way player. With Boyle, Niedermayer and Keith on the blue line, Canada didn't need another offensive defenseman, particularly one who occasionally has pretty egregious defensive lapses. I love Green, and am thrilled to have him on our team, but I understand why he didn't make it. Hopefully, he will be energized by this and set out to show the Canadian hockey brass that he should have been selected.

Posted by: NorthFork1 | December 30, 2009 1:12 PM | Report abuse

I suspect the Canadian bashing is so bad because of the US bashing north of the border. The Canadian hockey fans at the WJC cheer loud and long for any team playing the US. Why the hate? BTW, there are A LOT of empty seats at the games that the Canadian team is not playing. I thought the argument to allow Canada to host the WJC on a regular basis is due to the fact that there are so many die hard hockey fans in Canada that the event will always be profitable. I know it is in Buffalo next year but let's face it, Buffalo is Southern Ontario.

Posted by: fanohock1 | December 30, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

I have also said how I was obsessed with the Euro Pens. Straka, Jagr, Morozov, etc... I loved those guys.
I still hate the Pens. *shrug

I don't really get what is there to comprehend. I am a fan of hockey first, and a Caps fan second.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:14 PM | Report abuse

The Caps have 5 players, 6 if you were to count Jurcina, playing in the Olympics. Are there other teams that have more?

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 30, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

If I remove my homer hat...and,

..to be honest, Green is pretty sloppy as a pure D-man. Exhibit A: was the last game against the 'Canes, pretty sloppy on several occasions. He is not a complete player yet. If I am team Canada and I have the kind of Forwards I have, I am not looking to get D help on the scoring front. Can't argue with the selection.

Just put on my homer hat: What a travesty!!!
Note to Greenie: http://www.immigrationdirect.com/

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | December 30, 2009 1:15 PM | Report abuse

Over the last several days, I've thought about the pros and cons of Green getting selected or not selected for Team Canada.

In the end, I figured it would be really good for him to make the team. I think it would have done enormous things for his pride and confidence that would have had a lasting effect on him psychologically.

I guess it wasn't meant to be. It's clear that his defensive game was what led to his omission. Yzerman said they wanted to see a more balanced game out of him. I guess they didn't feel he found enough of that balance to beat out Doughty or Boyle.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

SJ

Boyle
Marleau
Thornton
Heatley
Nabokov
Pavleski (USA, should make it)

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

mike fisher is lucky he didn't make team canada....now he gets to spend more time with carrie underwood

Posted by: _stevo | December 30, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

@Pol_Strat

Him over Seabrook is laughable and again, it's not that we expected him to be picked for his defensive play.

The real head-scratcher is why Boyle over Green for the PP?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:17 PM | Report abuse

I can understand Green being kept off the Canada roster. Lets be honest, Canada has an embarrassment of riches on the back line and, again, lets be honest, Green can be a liability on the defensive end.

Canada will have a lot of talent on the blueline power play but these same blueliners have to be counted on to play consistent defense as well.

Posted by: playahatah | December 30, 2009 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Once again Green gets the short end of the stick. I think two things really contributed to him not making it. 1. The caps style of play.(which is fine with me). Canada is not going to be a run and gun team like the Capitals are and even though Mike Green is the top scoring defenseman and pretty high up there in plus minus, the canadian brass took everything into account. They are going to be more of a shutdown defensive team and a high scoring one and they probably don't like the idea of Green wheeling and dealing through the neutral zone. 2. Last year's playoffs. I know he was hurt, but I think that him not producing when it counted made the canadian brass look the other way.
I feel bad for him not being able to represent his country in the olympics, but I am glad that he won't face the possibility of getting hurt while playing for "someone else" and that now I can fully root against Canada. If the USA can't win, then I hope it is one of the team's with capitals players.

Posted by: rockinthered1 | December 30, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Blame Canada, Blame Canada! It isn't even a real country anyway...

Posted by: jmurray019 | December 30, 2009 1:19 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for greenie. This team is a hair away from a cup run, if that. The way I see it, these need to be McPhee's priorities:

1. Sign Backstrom
2. Trade Poti
3. Acquire Vet Defensemen - Someone that is a ufa, or has max 1 year left (Kaberle or Niedermayer)
4. Trade Theo
5. If 4 is achieved, acquire ufa center (experienced North American - Modano or Tkachuk)

We have a lot of guys playing in the WJC. That, along with Fleischmann's impending RFA status gives us a lot of assets. No excuse not to grab this thing this year.


Posted by: underpants2 | December 30, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

DET

Zetterburg
Datsyuk
Holmstrom
Lidstrom
Kronwall
Rafalski (USA, should make it)
Filpulla

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 1:20 PM | Report abuse

@richmondphil

It's all good. It's just confusing to me for someone that claims to have been a Caps fan "out of the womb."

If you can't comprehend that it's hard for me to comprehend, I can't help you there.

Again, to each his own. You have interesting takes on things so I'm glad you hang out here.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

You really think Modano is going to be a rental player for anyone?

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:21 PM | Report abuse

Correction; I have been a hockey fan out of the womb. I have been a Caps fan since I went to my first game when I was 2 years old. :) I'm not old enough to appreciate the early years of the Caps, but I've been there since the later 80s and on, and here to stay.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

dallas has moved modano to wing. he is unrestricted, they may want to give him a cup run. I guess it depends on where they are.

Posted by: underpants2 | December 30, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

dallas has moved modano to wing. he is unrestricted, they may want to give him a cup run. I guess it depends on where they are.

Posted by: underpants2 | December 30, 2009 1:26 PM | Report abuse

@underpants2,

I think Poti is a UFA after the year is up. If that's the case, he won't be worth much in a trade. Plus, he's still good at geting the puck out of the zone (better than anybody else) - when he isn't hurt. Theo is probably expendable, but if Varly's playing well, Theo can watch and then go play somewhere else next year.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 1:28 PM | Report abuse

I think Poti is a UFA after the year is up. If that's the case, he won't be worth much in a trade. Plus, he's still good at geting the puck out of the zone (better than anybody else) - when he isn't hurt. Theo is probably expendable, but if Varly's playing well, Theo can watch and then go play somewhere else next year.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 1:28 PM |

I wish he was a UFA..Poti is so bad, it hurts right now.

If we could trade him for a bag of pucks, do it.

Posted by: richmondphil | December 30, 2009 1:29 PM | Report abuse

offtopic question: As luck (or non-luck) would have it, I have to be out of town during the Kings game. I'm DVRing it, but was thinking of getting a Swingbox to watch on the laptop while gone. Anyone ever any thoughts on the device? Is it worth it?

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Slingbox is awesome. I use it a ton.

Too bad for Green, hopefully he is more motivated because of this.

Posted by: cotmfk | December 30, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

I really dislike Canada... I mean what cool food do they have?

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 12:43 PM


Poutine. It's God's only gift to Canada.

do they eat Poutine in western Canada? always thought it was an eastern thing.

Really I know as Caps fans we want Greenie recognized, but its going to be better for the caps that he's not going. Russia is going to win the gold, Canada (especially since the Olympics are in Vancouver) is going to put tons of pressure on the team and when they don't win a major guilt trip. Instead we get a rested Mike Green out to prove he should have been picked and fighting for this year's Cup and the 2014 Olympics.

Posted by: temuchin | December 30, 2009 1:31 PM | Report abuse

The NHL players shouldn't even be in the Olympics. The Games were ruined by the inclusion of professionals.

Posted by: tw46 | December 30, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

Poti is signed thru 2010/2011.

There will be no market for Theodore, when Halak, Hedberg, Hiller and maybe 4 other younger, cheaper and better options are out there.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 1:33 PM | Report abuse

@richmond

I have Poti being traded for Cadillac sized roast beef sandwich with swiss cheese and cold fries.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 1:39 PM | Report abuse

tmac2yao,

I follow several teams and root for them. I used to follow Buffalo and Dallas, lately it's been Boston, Chicago and Calgary. I like the game style they play. I also like players on other teams. Just because a player doesn't wear a Caps jersey does not make him unworthy of being appreciated and cheered for.

Just my $.02

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 1:40 PM | Report abuse

yikes

Posted by: wendel2 | December 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

yikes

Posted by: wendel2 | December 30, 2009 1:42 PM | Report abuse

Those 4 Team Canada selections on the Sharks will likely be playing with some added jump tonight in response to making the team.

Green will likely be a little down on himself.

Tonight will definitely be a test.

Will we pass that test?

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

How is this the final list if USA hasn't been announced?

Mike Green was left off Team Canada, despite being leading league defensemen in goals (9), points (38), and shots on goal (106). He's # 2 in assists (29) and Plus/Minus (+15). Nobody ahead of him is Canadian. He's also #13 in the league (all skaters) in ice time per game at 24:59.

Posted by: greenmachine | December 30, 2009 1:43 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave

I understand appreciating other players and teams.

It's the cheering part I fail to comprehend as someone who has followed the Caps for as long as I can remember being alive.

Again, though, to each his own. We don't have to agree.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

@green

because he sucks at defense

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 30, 2009 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Just got NHL network. Weird to see Pat Sajak on now with a televised radio show. Sadly, no Vanna.

Posted by: zmega | December 30, 2009 1:47 PM | Report abuse

Plus/Minus is an overused and overrated statistic in large part.

Regardless, Green was not left off because of offensive deficiencies.

Yzerman said he wanted to see more balance out of Green's game. I guess he didn't feel that Green found enough of that balance to beat out Doughty or Boyle.

Even as a PP specialist or whatever some people felt Green should be used for, he would still be a defenseman when he's on the ice and they didn't feel his defense was good enough to beat out other players. It's that simple.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

Knuble is in the running for Team USA, so there is another Capital to add to that "Final List of Caps Olympians". Way to do your homework WaPo.

Posted by: SuperZ3383 | December 30, 2009 1:49 PM | Report abuse

If you would like to express your feelings re: Mike G not making the Canadian National team you can send them to bpascall@hockeycanada.ca

Brad Pascall Sr. is the Director, Men's National Teams for Canada

Posted by: bmb7872 | December 30, 2009 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Don't take this the wrong was...Green is a great offensive forward, but still takes off on the definsive side of the ice on many shifts. Stevie Y wanted a defensive minded defesnse since they are so deep up front. It does make sense.

WIth that being said, it does seem odd to leave off the highest scoring defender in the league.

Hopefully this will fuel Green tonight and not do the opposite. We need a very good defensive effort to beat the Sharks at their tank.

Posted by: Caps4Life1 | December 30, 2009 1:51 PM | Report abuse

@greenmachine

Team USA's tactic behind being the last team to announce their roster is to offer 11th-hour citizenship to those players rejected by their national teams. Greenie may make it to Vancouver after all.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 30, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

canadian's know how to use computers now?

Posted by: _stevo | December 30, 2009 1:54 PM | Report abuse

remember the crap shell green went into after he got dumped right before the playoffs- hopefully he learns from that and plays angry the rest of the way

Posted by: lylewimbledon | December 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

*canadians

Posted by: _stevo | December 30, 2009 1:56 PM | Report abuse

TSN poll has Mike Green as the biggest omission from the roster with 23% choosing him out of 10 players on the list (or "other"). Second in line is JayBo at 21%. Vinny LeCav is 3rd with 14%.

Total votes in poll now over 10,000.

Posted by: justbrewit | December 30, 2009 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Dan Boyle? Brent Seabrook? Drew Doughty? Really, Stevie?

Posted by: farmgirl19C | December 30, 2009 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Seabrook was picked to pair with Duncan Keith, which was a brilliant move.

Posted by: JD09 | December 30, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

tmac2yao,

I'm curious, do you just watch Capitals games?

I'm a huge hockey nut, I played for several years and really don't care for any other team sport. So my sports following is limited to MMA and NHL. That might explain myself some.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Some random, unrelated and/or offtopic thoughts/comments:

Watched the Columbus/Islanders game last night. Never seen Chris Clark skate so fast before; he was really working hard. Juice looked, well, like Juice.

Several threads back, there was some discussion of the PeeWee team from the Ukraine that is here in the area playing in the Crabtown Tournament. In case you're interested, they made it to the Championship game and won.

Finally, roast beef beats corned beef any day.


Posted by: 1hockeymom | December 30, 2009 2:10 PM | Report abuse

tw46,

Inclusion of pro atheletes started after the eastern block nations put their professionals in the games. Heck they even put their men in as women...

I agree though. I prefer to not have pro involved.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 2:12 PM | Report abuse

1hockeymom,

Rueben Hater!

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

I can understand Pronger and Niedermayer making the team just because of their experience on the international stage, regardless of how either of them are playing in the NHL this season.

Keith is a very good player and deserves to be there. Seabrook is a very good player, too, and I believe he's his linemate in Chicago so they'll have instant chemistry which is important in a short tournament.

Boyle is awesome and should be the kind of player Green aspires to be. I have no issues with that selection.

Weber is also a very solid defenseman that deserves this opportunity.

The only player I think Green could reasonably feel he deserved to make the team over is Doughty and that's only because Doughty is still very young.

Doughty is extremely talented and is having a great season so it's not ridiculous to take him over Green but I think the real reason for this choice is that the decision-makers see Doughty as a better talent with more potential so they want to get his feet wet for future international competition. He was a number 2 overall pick for a reason.

Maybe the Kings fans around here can comment about Doughty's development.

Regardless, I can understand Green feeling bitter about not getting picked over Doughty but that's about it. The other guys all make sense to me even if they aren't all better players.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

Statistically, the case for Green is strong. He is clearly the best offensively. As far as defensive play, it is hard to rate statistically. He's very strong in +/-. Niedermayer is -10. (Absolute last among Canadian d-men BTW is our old friend Brendan Witt at -20.) Green is among the leaders in takeaways. He is high in giveaways, but right up there with Doughty, Keith, and Pronger. Given the strong statistical case for Green, I think you would have to say that the people who selected the team just don't like his style of play, or don't think it would fit with others on the team.

Posted by: zmega | December 30, 2009 2:22 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave:

"I prefer to not have pro involved."

... how would you define "pro"?

I fear that professionals (or their managers) will always find a way to go to the Olympics ...

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | December 30, 2009 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave

Until I moved to Houston from D.C. back in 2002, I pretty much exclusively watched Capitals games going back to the first game I went to in 1982 or whenever it was.

After moving to Houston, I've had to purchase Center Ice to keep up with the Caps and, in turn, have started to watch a lot of other games when the Caps aren't playing.

I guess the best way to put it is I'm a Caps fan at heart before a hockey fan because I knew nothing of the sport until going to my first Caps game but I've grown to appreciate the overall game more as I've gotten older.

I'm into sports as a whole. I probably follow hockey and basketball more than anything else but I'm also heavily into baseball, football and even tennis among other sports.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 2:30 PM | Report abuse

Did anyone know how the teams have fared when their players participated e.g. in the Olympics ...

... was there a "burnign out"-syndrom?

... and how many players got seriously injured during such games?

Posted by: FCKoeln1 | December 30, 2009 2:31 PM | Report abuse

Doughty is extremely talented and is having a great season so it's not ridiculous to take him over Green but I think the real reason for this choice is that the decision-makers see Doughty as a better talent with more potential so they want to get his feet wet for future international competition. He was a number 2 overall pick for a reason.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 2:19 PM | Report abuse

i dont know much about doughty, but your rationale doesnt make sense. green is only 24 and arguably more talented than doughty. second, there is no guarantee that NHL players will play in any additional olympics, so what is the future int. competitions? the WC's? i dont think team canada is looking at this olympics, in canada, as a training ground for future international competition. my guess is that they would gladly trade gold medals in the next 4 olympics for one win on home ice.

like i said, i dont know much about doughty, maybe his is better than green, but i doubt getting his feet wet for future competition is the reason he's there and green isnt.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 2:32 PM | Report abuse

Sorry for the brief interruption, but I just wanted to address this comment from Nootka in today's morning roundup:

"Lindsay, Your unprofessional snipe at Jeff Schultz in yesterday's chat betrayed your ignorance. Schultz is one of the better young shut-down defensemen in the league - a fact borne out by the stats. Columbus would have had to have given up a heck of a lot more than Chimera to get Schultz from the Caps. You should educate yourself at places like behindthenet and japersrink before you make yourself look foolish again."

Not a huge fan of the tone, but this isn't the first negative response I've gotten, so just to clarify, I WAS trying to be ironic/sarcastic/funny (which is allowed in our online chats) and quite clearly failed at all three.

I thought it was silly to ask why the Caps didn't trade a supposedly bad player -- if you think the player is so bad, how would that player be tradeable?

At any rate, I guess I shouldn't joke about things as much as I do, but just wanted to state my case. Okay, let's hug it out.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 2:33 PM | Report abuse

I should add that the Caps were also the first team of any sort that I became a fan of and the first live sporting event I ever attended was a Caps game when I was 5 or 6 years old.

For that reason, the Caps will always probably be number one for me just because of the early childhood connection.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

I'll just toss this out... If Green was on Pittsburgh or a Canadian team, he'd be on the roster. It's beyond me why, it seems, many Canadians hate (I use that word intentionally) Washington.

Posted by: Matt23185 | December 30, 2009 2:35 PM | Report abuse

Um. How is Knuble in the running for Team USA?

He's from Toronto, Ontario...!

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 2:37 PM | Report abuse

This proves Canada sucks...

Become a US citizen Mike, WE'LL take you on our team!

Posted by: gs12 | December 30, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

here's my thoughts. not that they matter, but here they are....

though green is a tremendous player, Canada can't afford to have someone who poses a lot of potential risks defensively. This is a short tournament not a full season. they can't afford to have someone try to toe drag around someone at the blueline and pinch at the wrong time.

You're going against the world's cream of the crop who can turn a defensive mistake into a goal in a heartbeat. that potential goal given up could lose them the game and the chance at a medal.

I just don't think in a short tournament like the olympics his defensive risks outweigh his offensive potential.

He's got the speed to keep up with most anyone but he tries to be too cute at times when he just needs to dump the puck in and let the TEAM do it's job.

Don't tell me there weren't a few times you yelled at the TV saying "what were you thinking?"

i'm looking at the roster right now and it seems Canada picked the guys that are defensively responsible as well as possessing offensive abilities.

And on a side note because I don't usually post stuff here:

For the Jeff Schultz lovers out there, please all of you pitch in and get him some power skating lessons. he could be the slowest skater in the show.

the bottom line. the only thing i really care about is seeing the Caps win the cup on more than one occasion.

thank you for your time.

Posted by: natresgroup | December 30, 2009 2:38 PM | Report abuse

"...betrayed your ignorance."? well, at least you know that comment didnt come from within the wapo walls. (then again, where's boz?)

i think it's only fair that nootka and lindsay drop the gloves and settle this like hockey fans. no sucker punches and no putting on the foil, applebaum.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

tmac2yao,

Gotcha... Even though I follow other NHL teams I always cheer for the Caps over them.

I understand the connection. I did not get into hockey until I was roughly 17. I used to root exclusively for the Caps because my exposure in the DC area was limited. Center Ice opened my eyes to other teams.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 2:39 PM | Report abuse

@Lindsay - Thought that might be the case; I missed the chat, but I've never seen you come out with anything "ignorant"... Add to that the fact I'd never seen the poster before, and, well... :-)

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

@JSchon

SJ

Boyle
Marleau
Thornton
Heatley
Nabokov
Pavleski (USA, should make it)
Murray (Sweden)
Greiss (GER, probably)

Posted by: SuperG5 | December 30, 2009 2:40 PM | Report abuse

knuble was raised in michigan and played for the us in the 06 olympics. hes as 'merican as apple pie...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

One more thing...

My father was a diehard Caps fan and was going to games since the team was founded in the DC area. I think that also has a lot to do with my attitude toward the Caps.

He passed away not too long ago and I probably miss being able to watch games with him more than anything else. He was a season ticket holder for decades and we watched hundreds of games together between going to the Caps Centre or watching on TV or even listening on the radio.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 2:41 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao,

Re Doughty. Doughty and Green are really different players. Green is an immense offensive talent, no doubt. Doughty won't ever be that good. But Doughty is more rounded. This year, I've really noticed that he's in better postion and logs a fair amount of minutes against top lines. That said, he isn't the defensive threat of the Keith pairing. He won't get completely undressed, but he isn't going to just take the puck away from a stud like Keith can.

With the changes the Kings made this summer, he's taking an even bigger role than could have been predicted. As a Kings fan, I never see a game where I don't go "wow, that was a great play."

2 other things in his favor: He's really young. The present of Canadian hockey is also about its future; and, as noted he's a little more rounded than some of those who are off. He's the #7 guy. I'm not sure how much time he's going to get in the medal round. But, if someone gets hurt, he can be more offensive or more defensive as needed. I'm not sure you can say that about Green or Phaneuf or Reghr. Maybe Bou, but I don't think he's as good or as fast as Drew is. YMMV.

@Canadians out there. My annoyance with Canada hockey is outlined in the previous post. Yes, you are very good and the Russia-Canada gold medal game will be awesome. But, there's too much of the Don Cherry-like attitude in much Canada press which can be summed up: its our game we play the way it should be played. The other teams (who sometimes beat us) are doing it wrong (and they only beat us by doing it wrong). Part of the fun of international tournaments is to really compare the styles of countries or regions. You don't really get that in club/league play.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 2:42 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered Ha! Well thanks for the support.

@dcsportsfan1 The last Postie to throw a punch is out of a job, so I'll pass -- for now.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@ irockthered... fail.

He played for Team USA in 06 and will probably be on the roster when it's announced New Year's Day at the Winter Classic.

Posted by: SuperZ3383 | December 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave

Put it this way: I workded in San Jose for over a year in '07 to '08 and watched or listened to a bunch of Sharks games.

A local from the SJ area that I worked with was a diehard Sharks fan. We talked about hockey and the Sharks all the time.

Even after being heavily exposed to the Sharks for all that time, I have absolutely zero allegiance to that team. I can't even sell things to myself like "If the Caps get knocked otu, I'll root for the Sharks."

It's all about the Caps for me. That's why I can't comprehend when long time Caps fans say they are also fans of other teams.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 2:46 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 - Ah! Good point, that. :-) Thanks.

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

@ Lindsay_Applebaum

You might be adding to that "Final Caps List of Olympians" :P

Posted by: SuperZ3383 | December 30, 2009 2:47 PM | Report abuse

oldtimehockey,

The only team sport Canadians excels at is ice hockey (is curling a team sport)?

I believe they don't like the fact that players from other countries have caught up and enough past their skill level.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

Lindsay,
I think most of the regulars know better and thus the comment by nootka was mostly ignored.

Keep up the good work and thanks for the chat yesterday. Entertaining and informative.

Posted by: _Mark | December 30, 2009 2:49 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 - Latvian-American, huh? Oooh, this gives me whole new happy possibilities for humiliation of Team Canada by the angry Latvians!

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 2:50 PM | Report abuse

@SuperZ3383 - Sorry, wasn't following hockey at that point in my life, due to lack of fundage to attend games. I stand corrected. :-)

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 2:51 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao,

I live in NC for close to 6 years. The only Canes games I went to was when they played the Caps. I just never cared for the Canes, their obnoxious announcers, Richard Petty and Rick Flair being used for video entertainment/goal celebrations.

When the Caps get knocked out of the playoffs I still watch. Sometimes indifferently, other times rooting for a team. It depends on who is left.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 2:53 PM | Report abuse

It's all good irockthered. I think the Washington Post is not used to so much hockey coverage and people reading and commenting that they forgot that Knubes will probably make the USA roster and put FINAL for their list of Caps Olympians. I guess there will be a REVISED FINAL list?

Posted by: SuperZ3383 | December 30, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@Lindsay,

I like your simple Socratic approach to unraveling the trade/schultz nonsense. "If he's bad, how does he have any trade value?" Bingo.

Never forget that the favorite trade among arm chair GMs is "your young stud or franchise players for our extra parts or locker room cancer." Nylander for Nash!!

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@FLDave,

Curling is a team sport, and a great one too. I DVR the curling. Don't judge me.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 2:57 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 The last Postie to throw a punch is out of a job, so I'll pass -- for now.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

but that was at another postie. surely you are allowed to engage in fistics outside the workplace. you're telling me tarik never had to slug one of his groupies?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 2:58 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 He uses pepper spray.

By the way, to all concerned about the Mike Knuble snub, I fixed it.

Let's see how many more people I can alienate this week!!!! (Note to Nootka: Joking!)

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

@oldtimehockey

Is there a Don Cherry like bozo for curling? Now that I would DVR!

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

A few clarifications:

-The Olympics are being held on NHL-sized rinks in 2010 (same with the World Junior tournaments last year, this year, and the next two years).
-Olympic participation was negotiated in the Collective Bargaining Agreement. It would need to be re-negotiated to include participation in 2014 (Sochi) and beyond. The players are very much in favour of participation, but the owners have legitimate concerns about injuries and compensation (if a player gets hurt during the Olympics the IIHF, the federations, and the IOC do not and will not compensate the player's club for wages, etc.).
-Every other Olympic team sport uses professionals. It was a huge factor when the pro golf tours agreed to create a window for 2016, and the IRB and its member unions agreed the same for rugby sevens. It's also why baseball is off the programme and won't come back (because MLB won't release players for an Olympic tournament).
-Canada could very easily ice a "B" team that would be competitive and could medal (Green, Bouwmeester, Phaneuf would highlight your defencemen). There are at least 10 players not picked who you could make a very, very strong case for but 33 does not go into 23.
-Olympic participation/NHL follow-up: In the pre-cap era, beyond-loaded Detroit teams won in 1998 and 2002. Famously, Canada's 2002 captain (currently his club's owner...Mario Something) got nicked up during the tournament and didn't play the rest of the season. Carolina won in 2006; they had very little Olympic participation (Martin Gerber who was part of the tandem with Cam Ward the only notable).
-Green was left off because the selection panel (headed by GM Steve Yzerman, who WON a gold medal in 2002 and has three Stanley Cups) made the call. This is not an All Star game where you have four lines of all-star types. It's why Canada keeps winning at the WJC events; they bring guys who can get physical (Della Rovere, drafted by WSH is a great example- Steve Downie (not exactly known as a skill guy) also featured for Team Canada at the WJC some years ago). It doesn't mean Green is a bad defenceman, it means that Hockey Canada went another direction.

Posted by: jcurrin | December 30, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

@Lindsay_Applebaum

Roast Beef or Corned Beef? No safe answer there, feelings are bound to be hurt...

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1 The last Postie to throw a punch is out of a job, so I'll pass -- for now.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse


Was that Denunzio when he got into that fight with Danny Noonan in Caddyshach?

Posted by: _stevo | December 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Team USA (The Burke and Wilson show) will announce their roster during the Winter Classic on January 1st.

Posted by: jcurrin | December 30, 2009 3:05 PM | Report abuse

I'm an admitted Looney Tunes conspiracy theorist, but I agree 100% with the person who suggested that a big factor for Green's exclusion from Team Canada is the name on his sweater. I don't even think he necessarily would need to be on the Pens or a Canadian team, likely just any team that's not the Capitals.

Canadians hate Russians with a passion, and hate the fact that the best player in the league is a Russian. Semin doesn't help, and the fact that Varly has become what he's become is flabbergasting. They likely see Green as a Benedict Arnold type for having the audacity to even *be* on this team.

Yeah, I know I'm nuts, but I'm 100% serious here.

Posted by: VTDuffman | December 30, 2009 3:10 PM | Report abuse

So, it looks to me like the norm is that hitting does not equate to success. I want success, I don't care how they do it.

BTW, here is the link where I got my info:
http://www.nhl.com/ice/teamstats.htm?fetchKey=20102ALLAAAAll&sort=hits&viewName=realTimeStats

It's from NHL.com so I assume it to be correct.

-----------------

once again, hitting ALONE obviously isn't the answer to anything much less winning the Cup. Why are people still making this argument ? You can have bad teams who finish a lot of checks, and you can have great skilled teams who finish a lot of checks. Obviously, the teams with the most talent who can finish the most checks is preferable. The Caps however are a skilled team who DOES NOT finish a lot of checks.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 30, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

VT, i'm not saying you are nuts, not there is anything wrong with that, mind you. i just think the canadian national team will be under TREMENDOUS pressure to win in vancouver. i seriously doubt they chose players for any other reason than that they felt those players are the best fit to win this year. so i doubt the fact that green plays for the caps had anything to do with it.

they probably looked at their main competion, russia and figured that they arent going to outscore them so they need to err on the defensive side. i'm guessing they looked at a lot of film of green playing malkin and kovolchuk before they made their decision.

who knows for sure. but put me in the camp of feeling sorry for green but glad he'll get some rest for two weeks.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:16 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, hit stats are amongst the most useless in hockey. totally random applications from arena to arena. as evidence, it looks like every team has more hits credited at home than on the road. logic would suggest those should be close the the same or slightly higher on the side of road hits.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:19 PM | Report abuse

@lindsay - How about adding a section for Ex-Capitals playing in the Olympics?

* Sergei Fedorov
* Viktor Kozlov
* Sami Lepisto

...who am I missing?

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 3:22 PM | Report abuse

IRTR

Johnny Oduya

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

irock,

umm, he wore 68...

also ratislav stana is playing for some balkin state too...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:25 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered: Jurcina, Jagr... good idea.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 3:26 PM | Report abuse

stana is a slovak and oduya really never played for the caps.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:27 PM | Report abuse

gus is the manager of the swedish team, does that count?

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@Lindsay_Applebaum

I realized you were being sarcastic. I enjoyed that question and answer piece and thought you had a snappy comeback. I laughed.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan

No need to get technical, I haven't.

He was property of the Caps.

It can be argued that Jagr never really played for the Caps.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 3:28 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

Zed

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | December 30, 2009 3:30 PM | Report abuse

Green is quite possibly the most overrated defenseman in the NHL today. Last year's Norris nomination was a complete joke. He constantly gets out-muscled for the puck and turns it over in the defensive end. It's plain to see that other teams have caught on to his weaknesses with the amount of forechecking Green is subject to. Yes, he has a borderline great shot - but that is not the primary function of a defenseman.

Posted by: SteveNaismith | December 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

Do you mean Baltic or Balkan? If he's Slovak he's neither.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

i dont think oduya ever signed w/ the caps so i would say its not a technicality to exclude him. would be nice if we could have kept him.

no arguement on 68...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@Political_Stratgst

You belong in the Doofus Brigade under S.

Posted by: Steakum | December 30, 2009 3:33 PM | Report abuse

my bad on the geography. should have looked it up first.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:34 PM | Report abuse

Bummer Greenie. Better luck next time.

On the upside Caps fans I suspect Mike Green will be out to prove em wrong and that they made a bad decision in not selecting him.

Posted by: BetterOffWithFedorov | December 30, 2009 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@BetterOffWithFedorov - Agreed, and I hope he does, totally.

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

One could argue that a group of 7 could be created out of those left off who might be as effective as those 7 included:

Regehr
Green
Phaneuf
JayBo
Ed Jovo
Brian Campbell

And, well, since I'm hungry for roast beef, Jeff Schultz.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

Green is quite possibly the most overrated defenseman in the NHL today. Last year's Norris nomination was a complete joke. He constantly gets out-muscled for the puck and turns it over in the defensive end. It's plain to see that other teams have caught on to his weaknesses with the amount of forechecking Green is subject to. Yes, he has a borderline great shot - but that is not the primary function of a defenseman.

Posted by: SteveNaismith | December 30, 2009 3:31 PM | Report abuse

You're right teams have figured him out. He's only averaging .974 points per game this season, instead his 1.07 last season.

What a phony...

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 3:42 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1 - I believe we have another candidate for Company G...

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 3:43 PM | Report abuse

those norris trophy voters really are clueless...i mean, professional hockey writers?? probably dont ever watch a game just go by what they read on the internet. strictly a beauty pageant. sure.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:46 PM | Report abuse

bondra is GM of the slovak team. former caps abound!

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

He will be another finalist this year, unfortunately Duncan Keith is probably going to win it.

He is bueno.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 3:49 PM | Report abuse

PPG have little to do with this topic. Again, the position is DEFENSEman. Green's DEFENSE is average at best.

Posted by: SteveNaismith | December 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

SteveNaismith goes to the Doofus Brigade, George Company, for those felonious lies he wrote above about Green.

A "borderline great shot." Sheesh.

What border do you watch, Stevie N?

Anyway, pick up a rifle and some boots.

And someone wants to send Political_Strategist? If so, he goes into the intelligence (sic) section. I can't find PS's offense though, so for now those order will stand down.

AlexanderOMunchkin: Isn't Slovakia part of the Balkan area? Is Rand McNally here to give an opinion?

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

The Norris Trophy isn't given to the best defensive defensemen.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 3:54 PM | Report abuse

Don't forget Bondra, Slovakia's GM

Posted by: DaleHunter | December 30, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

PPG have little to do with this topic. Again, the position is DEFENSEman. Green's DEFENSE is average at best.

Posted by: SteveNaismith | December 30, 2009 3:53 PM | Report abuse

i guess paul coffee will have to give his back.

fyi, here's the criteria for the norris trohpy. note the term "all-around" not "defense only".

The James Norris Memorial Trophy is awarded annually to the National Hockey League's top "defense player who demonstrates throughout the season the greatest all-round ability in the position".

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

@natresgroup

If Canada didn't select Green because of their concerns about his risky play and defensive lapses in a short tournament and their concerns are valid, that doesn't bode well for the Caps in the short tournament known as the Stanley Cup Playoffs.

Let's hope they are wrong if those are in fact their concerns.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I think Bondra played in the olympics.

Also, Olie, Dave Christian, murphy?, Juneau?, Zednick,

Lindsay The sarge is not a joking matter. What the H3!! is wrong with you!!!

Curling rocks and lax is played in Canada

Canadian Contributions:
Comedians(obviously not a US thing)
Labatt's
Canadian Bacon
Crackberries
eh
long O's
lots of U's
and hockey

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

here we go with the Green argument again. he has settled down from his bad start to the season and is playing much better. still makes his standard bonehead play on a regulas basis. is he going to win the Norris: no.

Posted by: doughless | December 30, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1

Is Paul Coffee related to John Iced Tea?

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

Norris finalists (yes, this more than 3)

Green
Keith
Weber
Doughty (maybe)
Lidstrom always a contender for a top 3 finish.

To whomever said Green was "overrated", get real. Is he the greatest shut down D in the league? Of course not, but he's a great offensive weapon and a decent back guard. Yeah, he gets burned from time to time, but its usually because he's pressing. His skating usually lets him catch up and try to make a play. He makes some dumb passes sometimes, but I think that's him looking forward first and thinking conservative second. You can dislike the way he plays (I'm always a fan of shut down D.), but you can't say he's "overrated". Really.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | December 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

@ bmb7872:
thanks for the email address... this just sent... feel free to write what you want!

Dear Mr Brad Pascall Sr,

This email is written with the clear intention of relaying my disappointment as a international hockey fan that Michael David Green was not select to the Canadian team for the upcoming Vancouver Olympics. I am curious how the persons involved in selecting team Canada can in good conscience ignore the last two seasons that this young man has put forth in the toughest and most highly skilled hockey league in the world?

The overall reaction in the DC area that I am reading is of shock that Team Canada could not find a roster spot for the highest scoring defenseman of the last two NHL seasons, with the second highest +/- rating... all done in the toughest and highest skilled league in the world!

My fellow Caps fans and I are fortunate in the DC area to see Green play when I turn on our TV sets to watch our beloved Caps. While we have the best player in the world (a biased opinion no doubt, since I am writing to Team Canada) in Ovechkin, watching Green calmly weave through teams and create space for his teammates is quite often a joy... as was his NHL record 8 game goal scoring streak, his leading the league with 32 goals, his current scoring pace... the list goes on. There is a reason he is called Game Over Green by our announcers for his overtime heroics.

While this email will change nothing in your selection, it is one I felt compelled to write given what Mike has meant to the team, the revival of hockey in DC and the community. I have seen many hockey games in my lifetime and while not a professional hockey man, his offensive game is unparalleled and deserved to be shown on the highest international level. That he was not selected, given his past two seasons, his attention to improving his defensive shortcomings, is sincerely disappointing and in my humble opinion shows lack of sight on the persons involved in the selection of Canada's hockey team.

Sincerely and respectfully,
Mr. Frank M
Herndon, VA

Posted by: FrankM73 | December 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Green can take some solace in the fact that on a poll on tsn.ca that discusses the biggest omission from the Canadian roster, he is first at 23.3%, a full 3 percent ahead of second (JBo).

That actually would likely mean nothing to him in reality; it's a shame he isn't on there. He is a better offensive defenceman than the one they selected (Boyle) and he is also a +15, in comparison to Boyle's +6. I understand plus/minus isn't everything, but I feel like Green should be on there (maybe I'm a bit biased as a Caps fan)

Posted by: Aldred15 | December 30, 2009 3:59 PM | Report abuse

Is it possible to be overated while leading the league in points as a D man? I see things I dont like about Greens game sometimes, but overated with his numbers?

I dont think so...

Posted by: SA-Town | December 30, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

@tominfl1 - Re: Political_Strategist

I submit the following quote for evidence:

I’m dreaming of a white Kovalchuk
Just like the ones who light the red goal glow
Where we trade Semin,
and send a Fehr packin
To hear June cowbells and goal sirens blow

Please reinstate the order to send him to Company S.

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

I am extremely happy that Mikey Green, did not make the Canadian roster.

I also love it when the Cappies lose.

Posted by: stephenwhelton | December 30, 2009 4:00 PM | Report abuse

My bad. That makes two today:

http://www.waronterrornews.com/images/balkans-map.gif

It is SlovENIA in the Balkans and SlovAKIA not in the Balkans.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Slovakia is in Central Europe. The Balkan (a term that comes form a mountain ranged in Bulgaria) countries are loosely limited to Croatia, Serbia, Montenegro, Bulgaria, Macedonia, Greece, Albania and the part of Turkey that is on the European continent. Some extend the definition to include Hungary and Romania but let's not start WWIII. I'm sure this will somehow insult someone so I'll offer my regrets in advance.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 30, 2009 4:02 PM | Report abuse

Tarik's twitter says Neuvirth is starting tonight. I'm kinda scared for him.

Posted by: rachel216 | December 30, 2009 4:03 PM | Report abuse

man, the homers are out in force over this green thing.

Posted by: doughless | December 30, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1

Is Paul Coffee related to John Iced Tea?

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 3:58 PM | Report abuse

d'oh, first i get slammed on geography and now spelling. bad day.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

"I don't know why green doesn't get the respect he deserves"

Canadians don't believe in an Offensive Defenseman, to them he's just a 4rth forward. +/- doesn't matter to hockey scouts. Being on a team only heralded for its offensive prowess by definition cannot produce a great defenseman.

Despite the team is the best in the league with 1.45 5-5F/A(the ratio of goals playing 5v5 GF:GA, the lowest team is CBJ .71), 12th in SAG, and 12th GA/G.

The teams only outstanding defensive flaw is the PK, which is where most of our goals against come from.

Posted by: breaklance | December 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

Neuvy starting is a great move... given the high he's on and his personal playing streak... he'll think he can shut them down...

confidence in a goalie is a huge thing... not to be under-estimated... like the dark side!

Posted by: FrankM73 | December 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

DOH! I forgot Bosnia/Hercegovina. I think Slovenes consider themselves more European than Balkan but the argument could be made.

Posted by: AleksanderOMunchkin | December 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@doughless - Believe it or not, I'm glad he didn't make Team Canada!

This way, I can cheer for ANYBODY BUT CANADA with a clear conscience!

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

To clarify: I'm not happy for Green that he wasn't chosen; I'm happy that I can cheer for ANYONE BUT CANADA, since I don't have the conflict of interest that having Green on that team would create, as I think Mike Green is totally da Bomb!

Posted by: irockthered | December 30, 2009 4:10 PM | Report abuse

IROCK: OK, that's clear and compelling evidence.

For offering to trade Semin, maybe...

But for that doofy song, surely...

Off to the Doofus Brigade, Political Strategist!

Drill Sgt: "So, you like to write songs?"
PS: "You bet!"
Drill Sgt: "That's, 'Yes, Sergeant.'"
PS: "You bet, Sarge!"
Drill Sgt: "All right. That's enough out of you. Let's see you crawl through the mud for two miles. And, when you're finished, you can write a song about it. Now, mister!"

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

breaklance:
Canadians don't believe in an Offensive Defenseman,

correction
Canadians don't believe in an OffenCive DefenCeman,

If offence cannot produce a good defencemen please explain Kevin Lowe

QMJHL created the Kevin Lowe Trophy (Trophée Kevin Lowe), awarded annually to the player in the QMJHL judged to be the best defensive defenceman.

Posted by: cadlecreek1 | December 30, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

Hello, Team Canada??? No Mike Green = Watching the Gold Medal Game from the cheap seats. Have fun with that.

Posted by: ljo211 | December 30, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

FYI, Mike Knuble says he's pretty sure he's not on Team USA.

Posted by: Lindsay_Applebaum | December 30, 2009 4:16 PM | Report abuse

On NHL Power Play, they just discussed Green and their reasoning was that Green just isn't good enough defensively despite probably being better offensively than any of the other defensemen selected.

They focused on his high risk/high reward style of play and how Canada didn't want those risks, esp. when several of the other defensemen selected also boast offensive abilities.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I didn't think Knuble was going to make the team.

Posted by: JSchon | December 30, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

I haven't been looking forward to any Olympics as much as I'm looking forward to this one.

Think back about 30 years. Can you imagine a bunch of washingtonians rooting for the Russians? But I'll be rooting for them.

It still is hard for a casual observer like me to be able to evaluate defensemen. There aren't that many stats to go by.

Posted by: rjma1 | December 30, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

I hope that Green comes out angry tonight and plays with a chip on his shoulder for the rest of the season and playoffs.

Posted by: zmega | December 30, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

@doughless:
please explain what you mean by "the homers are out today"
are you saying that people that think he should have made it and choose to express that opinion are homers?

Posted by: FrankM73 | December 30, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@ljo211

The Canadian team does not 'need' Green to go deep in the Olympics. Unless the wheels fall off, Canada will get the gold or silver.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

tmac, that makes sense i suppose. they want to go defensive. i think with the right pairing, he could have been very valuable to them. but whatever, its their team. again, selfishly i'm glad he's not going...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | December 30, 2009 4:24 PM | Report abuse

HP1's NHL Power Rankings:

1) Devils
2) Sharks
3) Caps
4) Penguins
5) Blackhawks

Posted by: hockeypuck1 | December 30, 2009 4:28 PM | Report abuse

It still is hard for a casual observer like me to be able to evaluate defensemen. There aren't that many stats to go by.

Posted by: rjma1 | December 30, 2009 4:19 PM

Good point. That's why some of us tout Jeff Schultz, eh. Lookit, here's a guy with almost no offencive skill (I'm using Canadian words because I'm angry with them, for sure). His only goal was a 75-footer. And, yet, he has a very respectable plus/minus.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

Canada will not win gold or silver, and there will be a epic meltdown north of the border.

Posted by: DaleHunter | December 30, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

@dcsportsfan1

I originally tried to rationalize that I'd be happy if Green didn't make it since he'd be more rested down the line but I eventually came to the conclusion that Green would benefit from making the team. I figured the boost to his pride and confidence would have a lasting effect that make it worth the added ice time this season.

I could be totally wrong and this could turn into further motivation for him to step his game up.

My guess is that he will initially take this hard in the short-term and it may even negatively effect his play.

My hope is that in the long-term, it drives him to eliminate the parts of his game that probably kept him off Team Canda.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

I'm surprised nobody mentioned that Neuvirth was a deserving addition to the Czech squad. That said, I think Green was more deserving the Seabrook (based on this years performance) and Doughty (same style, more experience/production)

Posted by: jesstyr | December 30, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

We all hear that Green takes things hard and I don't see how this will be any kind of exception.

This is likely the only Olympics in his playing career that will take place on Canadian soil and short of an injury or two, he won't be part of the team.

My sense is that it will take him a week or two, psychologically, to get over this situation.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

@jesstyr

I'm not sure it's fair to say that Doughty is the same style of player as Green.

I don't watch Doughty a lot but despite some similar offensive attributes, I'm guessing there are differences in their defensive games, at least in the eyes of the Team Canada decision-makers.

I don't watch Doughty enough to know this but I'm guessing he's less prone to defensive lapses and probably plays a little more physical.

Here's a post from a Kings fan (oldtimehockey) earlier in this thread...

"Re Doughty. Doughty and Green are really different players. Green is an immense offensive talent, no doubt. Doughty won't ever be that good. But Doughty is more rounded. This year, I've really noticed that he's in better postion and logs a fair amount of minutes against top lines. That said, he isn't the defensive threat of the Keith pairing. He won't get completely undressed, but he isn't going to just take the puck away from a stud like Keith can.

With the changes the Kings made this summer, he's taking an even bigger role than could have been predicted. As a Kings fan, I never see a game where I don't go "wow, that was a great play."

2 other things in his favor: He's really young. The present of Canadian hockey is also about its future; and, as noted he's a little more rounded than some of those who are off. He's the #7 guy. I'm not sure how much time he's going to get in the medal round. But, if someone gets hurt, he can be more offensive or more defensive as needed. I'm not sure you can say that about Green or Phaneuf or Reghr. Maybe Bou, but I don't think he's as good or as fast as Drew is. YMMV."

Maybe they're not as similar as some non-Kings followers would believe.

Posted by: tmac2yao | December 30, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

@irockthered

Dude - what rock did you crawl out from under to discover "the Caps" and this thing called the "NHL"? When it became cool to go to the Phone Booth cause we started winning a few games?? You started to "rock the red" (see you are a company man - you should be the commander of Company S).

So let me get this right, you would not trade Semin+ for Kovalchuk?

If you say no to that, you are who who I think you are. Keep looking beautiful when you shout that high pitch "lets go caps" and next time throw that t-shirt or the burrito my way, okay? Section 425. Thanks.

Posted by: Political_Stratgst | December 30, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Lindsay,

Maybe he's just superstitious. Or maybe you interviewed the wrong Mike Knuble. Or maybe he meant he's pretty sure he won't make the Team USA curling team.

You need to do more research. This is unacceptable.

Posted by: CF11555 | December 30, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the last few days:

ON THE RECENT TRADE: I understand why the trade had to happen. I understand why CC17 had to go. I even understand why trading Juice made financial sense. It still sucks...both will be missed. Shame on you haters. As for

THE STINKER vs. CAROLINA: Let's just say that I stand with those who are more sangiune about it. Not to belabor the obvious, but NOBODY WINS ALL 82 GAMES. If stinkers there must be, let them happen now rather than in the playoffs. Every streak must come to an end--good or bad--besides, let's say you had gotten to be close friends with a co-worker over a long period of time. Then, you show up for work one day to find out that he/she has just been fired. Don't anybody dare tell me you wouldn't be distracted for the rest of the workday.

TONIGHT AGAINST THE SHARKS This season has seen a number of records--for both acheivement and futility--fall by the wayside, viz.:

--Decades-old back-monkey of no road wins win in Edmonton DID IT!.
--Winless in three tries against MB30NOT THIS TIME! (Ø Sorry, Marty Ø).
--Fastest Caps team to 50 poiints in franchise history YEP, YOU BETCHA!.

I therefore predict the Caps will drain the shark tank tonight, leaving SJS gasping and beached.

After that, who knows what other Caps' back-monkeys will be slain this campaign?


MG52 NOT ON TEAM CANADA While I am generally loath to bash Canada for any reason--after all, it is their Game and they love it, and I for one am grateful that they have shared it with us--I must also agree with a recent poster that the Canadian hockey press' attitude to toward anything un-Canadian in the NHL is growing tiresome. It sucks that Mike will not have the opportunity to represent his nation. Still, I think his best revenge would be to win the 2009-2010 Norris Trophy by acclaimation.

Anyone?

Posted by: Rhino40 | December 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the last few days:

ON THE RECENT TRADE: I understand why the trade had to happen. I understand why CC17 had to go. I even understand why trading Juice made financial sense. It still sucks...both will be missed. Shame on you haters. As for

THE STINKER vs. CAROLINA: Let's just say that I stand with those who are more sangiune about it. Not to belabor the obvious, but NOBODY WINS ALL 82 GAMES. If stinkers there must be, let them happen now rather than in the playoffs. Every streak must come to an end--good or bad--besides, let's say you had gotten to be close friends with a co-worker over a long period of time. Then, you show up for work one day to find out that he/she has just been fired. Don't anybody dare tell me you wouldn't be distracted for the rest of the workday.

TONIGHT AGAINST THE SHARKS This season has seen a number of records--for both acheivement and futility--fall by the wayside, viz.:

--Decades-old back-monkey of no road wins win in Edmonton DID IT!.
--Winless in three tries against MB30NOT THIS TIME! (Ø Sorry, Marty Ø).
--Fastest Caps team to 50 poiints in franchise history YEP, YOU BETCHA!.

I therefore predict the Caps will drain the shark tank tonight, leaving SJS gasping and beached.

After that, who knows what other Caps' back-monkeys will be slain this campaign?


MG52 NOT ON TEAM CANADA While I am generally loath to bash Canada for any reason--after all, it is their Game and they love it, and I for one am grateful that they have shared it with us--I must also agree with a recent poster that the Canadian hockey press' attitude to toward anything un-Canadian in the NHL is growing tiresome. It sucks that Mike will not have the opportunity to represent his nation. Still, I think his best revenge would be to win the 2009-2010 Norris Trophy by acclaimation.

Anyone?

Posted by: Rhino40 | December 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

@PS

Duuuuuuude, your attack on IRTR is offensive and unwarranted. I find her posts to be insightful and thoughtful, even if I occasionally disagree with something she says (which is very rare). Please keep your comments civil from now on.

Posted by: wocoliz | December 30, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Political_Strategist:

There's no way on Earth I'd trade Semin and Fehr to rent Kovy for a few months.

First, I think Kovy wants more than McPhee would want to pay him. Second. Kovy isn't 50% better than Semin (diff between 9 mill and 6 mill, likley salary ranges). Third, Fehr isn't just a toss in.

The Kovy thing has been discussed. He's a LW and Ovi is a LW. Flash is also a LW. Kovy next year will make more than Laich, Flash, Fehr and Carlson combined. He isn't a good fit under those circumstances for our cap-challenged team.

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 4:55 PM | Report abuse

only joining in to say that canada does have 1 awesome food: all dressed potato chips

Posted by: joe_hill | December 30, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

wocoliz: Did you ever try the "stolen grapefruit margarita?" I still have a little in the freezer. I didn't put any prickly pear, which would have been a boost.

Remember - Rock the White tonight!

I think we're going with shrimp in swiss cheese sauce with chardonnay. About as white as it gets.

Also, btw, I ordered a road Varly and they sent me small instead of medium. I called and they verified mistake on their part. They offered to return/exchange but instead I offered "how bout discount" an another one, so I'm getting a road Backie at $140 vs normal $195. Such a deal!

Posted by: tominfl1 | December 30, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

the fact remains Green has led defensemen in goal scoring the past 2 years and has been a mainstay on one of the best power plays in the NHL.

remember that international hockey plays by different rules and that a skating and shooting player with the skills of Green is of greater value in the Olympics than a guy who is more of the 'take the body' type or positional player.

At some point of the tournament, most probably against Russia or Sweden, the Canadians will need to score a goal in crunch time and there is no one on that team that comes close to matching what Green did with 31 goals last year in Washington.

Posted by: leopard09 | December 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Blame Canada ! Blame Canada!

Somewhere Cartman is stewing......

Posted by: terpfan4141 | December 30, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Changing the subject...

Way to go Bears!

per John Walton:
With the best record in the American Hockey League, and the first team to reach 50 points Tuesday night in Norfolk, in theory there should be a lot of all-stars on the Hershey Bears hockey club. And there are. After Alexandre Giroux and Andrew Gordon were named to the Canadian AHL All-Star team on Tuesday, three more of their teammates were chosen on Wednesday to compete against them. Keith Aucoin, who is tied for the league lead in goals scored, along with rookies Michal Neuvirth and John Carlson, were all named today to play for Planet USA in the Canada against the world format. Throw in the coaching and training staff, and the Bears will have nine representatives on hand in Portland for all the All-Star festivities in January. Congratulations to the fab five on a job well done in the first half!

Posted by: tess2201 | December 30, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@Political_Stratgst

Bleh! You are too snarky for me. Like irockthered I am also a post lockout fan. I also never watched hockey before becoming a Caps fan. Does that make me less of a fan? BTW That's rhetorical.

I hate it when old fans mock new fans. You are showing your intolerance. For that I send you to the doofus brigade, which I take to be amusing and not a gross insult to your honor.

You were sent there not because of a disagreement about a Semin for Kovalchuk trade (really unlikely but I'll eat that proverbial hat with ketchup if it happens) but because you took great care to slam Semin twice in your little ditty. That was the unnecessary part. I don't think anyone here is disputing the elite and total "awesomeness" of Kovalchuk, which I share.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 30, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Doughty plays a more rugged game than Green, although I have to say he hasn't been as tough as he was in the juniors. When you look at Luke Schenn who immediately made a big physical impact, guys like Doughty and Zach Bogosian's physical games have not translated well, yet.

Doughty also doesn't make the bad turnovers thru the neutral zone. Lets face it, the decision to leave Green off had everything to do with his reputation for being a high risk defensive player. And they figured they would rather give up his superior offensive skills to field a more defensive roster.

Posted by: cstanton1 | December 30, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

@Political_Stratgst

I've been a Caps fan since 1982, so no bandwagoner here. At this point there is NO way I would trade Semin for Kovalchuk.

Much like Bondra, Semin has had a slow start in the NHL. Do you remember Bondra's 1st few years? It was painful to watch someone that fast with soft hands lose his edge constantly and not finish. Semin IMHO is the most gifted finisher in the NHL. The guy is 25 and I can assure you that his full potential has yet to be reached.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

Sorry Mike.

But, you're young .. four more years will go quickly and you'll be there, you'll make it then. You were on the bubble, you knew it .. now go make it so they can't ignore you. You've got that kind of talent.

Posted by: tslats | December 30, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

@mokentoff

I feel the same way. I'll be rooting against Canada with a clear conscience myself. I'm sorry for Green but, overall, I do not like Canada'a cast of characters this year.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | December 30, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

@Capsyoungguns

As an old fart fan I can tell you this... You have not suffered the way we have! :)

Does that make new fans opinions and thoughts less valuable to me? Absolutely not. There are plenty of fans with more arm chair time that still don't know jacksh!t about the game.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

@Rhino40

Nice post--pretty much agree with you especially regarding the bad game the other night. No team wins them all. And the trade was distracting. Just listened to the locker room interview with Chimera and Boudreau. Chimera sounds like an interesting player and clearly he is excited to be a team that expects to win and to be practicing on a line with Backstrom and Semin, that not to knock his old line-mates but that Backs and Semin just play on a much higher level. Boudreau sounded pleased that Chimera is such a fast skater. I will watching with great interest tonight to see how Chimera does.

Posted by: Capsyoungguns | December 30, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

"I also love it when the Cappies lose."
Posted by: stephenwhelton | December 30, 2009 4:00 PM |

You must be very unhappy, most of the time.

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | December 30, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"HP1's NHL Power Rankings:
1) Devils
2) Sharks
3) Caps
4) Penguins
5) Blackhawks"
Posted by: hockeypuck1 | December 30, 2009 4:28 PM

Is there any logic to this?
If the Caps win tonight, do you re-evaluate?

Posted by: Wiley_One1 | December 30, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

Wiley_One1

What is HP1?

How can the Blackhawks be ranked so low?

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 5:46 PM | Report abuse

I think this Green thing really reflects the way Canada plays hockey, and that is conservatively. They don't like flash, they like basics and fundamentals. It's why they like Cindy Crosby - he skates around, passes to people, camps in front of the net, just like hockey was 100 years ago. Boring, but what do you expect from a place that spends half the year snowed in?

Mike Green, in that light, doesn't play like a Canadian.

Posted by: EricCarr | December 30, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

should Green have made the team? no question he should have but it's one less guy for the Caps to worry about getting injured... and there's always few injuries in the olympics.

the people who say Green is too high risk obviously have never seen Paul Coffey play hockey

I frankly don't understand the philosophy of the Canadian team to have all these great players like Gretzky and now Yzerman to head their olympic team.. yes, they were great players but what did those guys ever done as executives??

Posted by: joek443 | December 30, 2009 5:54 PM | Report abuse

@EricCarr

I disagree. Canada had some legitimate concerns about Green's game. Have you ever heard a Canadian bash Gretzky for being too flashy? Canadians love a rushing/scoring defenseman IF he is well rounded. I love Green but he does not have a complete game YET. It will all come together for him, defensemen usually develop late and Green is only 24. He already has the offense down like nobody in the league, now he needs to work on his own end of the ice.

Posted by: FLDave | December 30, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

Phaneuf was never going to make the team. Thought they would have taken Boumeester partly because he's always been willing to play in every world championship or other event. But hasn't had a great year I guess and they had enough puck moving defence. If Pronger wouldn't have made the team, it would have been Boumeester over Green.

Posted by: Stu_c | December 30, 2009 6:10 PM | Report abuse

Sweden looks like the team to beat w/ Russia a close second. Backstrom's slotted to be on the 4th line! How about Russia's top line: Ovie - Malkin - Kovalchuk? They might score a goal or 2....

Posted by: randysbailin | December 30, 2009 6:48 PM | Report abuse

You don't think they'll play Ovie-Feds-Semin together? Sure those other two guys might be better, but they've played together before on both the Caps and for Russia.

Posted by: WVPhil | December 30, 2009 7:08 PM | Report abuse

Верьте в Овечкин Великого - восемь

Posted by: hessone | December 30, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

I love the Caps, and would love to have seen Green in the Olympics, but I did not think he was going to make it due to defensive weaknesses. Sorry, but that's the fact. Hopefully this gives him the incentive to improve his only weakness. He can only get better.

Posted by: la_terp | December 30, 2009 8:13 PM | Report abuse

I am a Caps fan and a Team Canada fan and happy for both the Caps and the Team Canada Green did not make the team. He is still maturing and on many nights exhibits a reckless, one-dimensional style that needs to be developed further before he can truly be considered elite. He is brilliant offensively, but is constantly out of position and coughs the puck several times a game - costing the Caps goals and even games. His no-show performance in the playoffs last year confirmed for many he is not ready. He can usually get back after turnovers in NHL games but will not be able to recover from gaffes on the larger ice surface against top line guys shift after shift in Vancouver. Keep working Mike, you'll be there in 2014.

PS Caps fans who are complaining, you are a bunch of homers with a lot to learn. You're the same group that whines every time a penalty is called against the Caps. We don't deserve a Cup here until we can prove we understand the game a bit better!

Posted by: ken30 | December 30, 2009 11:03 PM | Report abuse

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