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Posted at 6:03 PM ET, 02/28/2011

McPhee: Mike Green to miss 'a couple of weeks' with head injury

By Lindsay Applebaum

Capitals General Manager George McPhee said Mike Green will be out "a couple of weeks" after the defenseman was hit in the head for the second time in two weeks Friday against the Rangers.

Green has missed seven of the past nine contests since a puck struck him in the head near his right ear on Feb. 6 against Pittsburgh, causing wooziness, balance problems, headaches and what the team termed an inner-ear trauma.

He left Friday's game after playing just 2:25 against the Rangers following a check by Derek Stepan.

"We're probably going to hold him out a couple of weeks," McPhee said in a news conference announcing the Capitals' trade-deadline moves. "We've been really careful when players have head injuries. We did the right thing with Mike and he probably could have come back earlier than he did and he felt great.

"Unfortunately, his second shift of the game [against the Rangers] he got drilled and got hurt. We'll be really careful we'll hold him out longer this time -- at least a couple of weeks, maybe longer."

Green is in Calgary with his family following the death of his grandmother.

Asked if Green suffered a concussion or another injury against the Rangers, McPhee said: "Yeah, he's had some headaches. So we've just got to be careful. He's back home now for a funeral and we'll know more when he comes back."

McPhee said the acquisition of Dennis Wideman could help fill in the gaps with Green's absence and also the uncertain status of Tom Poti, who has played just 21 games this season while dealing with a groin injury.

'Not knowing Tom's status, I felt like, 'Geez, we may have to pick up another defenseman but maybe we'll tough it out with what we have,' but then when Mike went down it was really important to help this team now," McPhee said. "Wideman seems to be a real good fit because he's an offensive guy, he's good on the power play, he's a right-handed shot. So we were real pleased that we were able to do that deal, and it's not a rental."

In order to make room under the salary cap for the addition of Wideman, center Jason Arnott and winger Marco Sturm, the Capitals placed Poti and Eric Fehr (shoulder) on long-term injured reserve retroactive to the dates of their original injuries, McPhee said.

By Lindsay Applebaum  | February 28, 2011; 6:03 PM ET
Categories:  Dennis Wideman, George McPhee, Mike Green  
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Comments

Great pick ups for the Caps today!! Anyone who is not happy is plan hockey ignorant.

Posted by: CapsBaby |

nice that the 12 yr olds are allowed to post.

o no, there i go being supercillious again

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:15 PM | Report abuse

I posted earlier they will LTIR Green. I think that's the only way all this can work.

You LTIR Poti and Fehr now and Green at some point (for "precautionary reasons," but really for cap space.)

Hey, if Devils can do it, and Boston, we can.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 6:16 PM | Report abuse

there is your 1st LTIR

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 6:17 PM | Report abuse

As to your absurd comment: "Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't this where we were at least 2 yrs ago?"

You stand corrected. We did not have Carlson or Alzner or Hannan or Neuwirth or Marcus Johansson two years ago. Or are you going to say they don't matter either?

Even if the Caps win the Cup, you Whiners will complain that they didn't do it sooner.
The guy who posted that elsewhere on CI deserves a medal.


Posted by: StevefromSacto


I wonder if the Capitals employ 30 PR folks every year to flood the local hockey blogs.

Well StevefromSackless, your point makes no sense. What does having 4 or 5 different players this year have ANYTHING to do with the fact that 2 yrs ago is when the expectation of this team was to start consistently advancing past the first two rounds on their way to an inevitable Cup appearance?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:19 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

I am hockey smart..Ignorant with grammar and spelling... Next time I will make sure my grammar is better, just for you since you have a negative comment about everything..

Posted by: CapsBaby | February 28, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

Even if the Caps win the Cup, you Whiners will complain that they didn't do it sooner

Posted by: StevefromSacto

VTDuff had a great line about GM farting rainbows out of his a__.

I refer you to that. They both have an equal chance of occurring.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:23 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1

I am hockey smart..Ignorant with grammar and spelling... Next time I will make sure my grammar is better, just for you since you have a negative comment about everything..


Posted by: CapsBaby


why do you think i had a problem with your grammar? That's the least of your problems.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

On who should go on LTIR for Cap relief. I assume that both Poti and Fehr can go on LTIR retroactive to the first day they sat out with their current injuries so they could theoretically be activated "at any time". In reality, I don't think either of them will be back in the next week but Fehr is probably closer to returning than Poti.

On Green -- I don't think it's LTIR time for him. He would have to be out a month and the current "guesstimate" isn't quite that pessimistic (although it certainly doesn't warm my heart any). Poor Green. At least he can spend time with his family in Calgary while injured but I don't think the flight home helped his recovery. (It's one of those times we almost wished we had played Sloan instead for that particular evening since his health was already so iffy, between his injury and his illness as well.)

Posted by: CapsFan75 | February 28, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

New rules I'd like to see...

1. Minor penalties in OT are 1 minute (regular season OT only)
2. Coaches can decline a penalty shot in favor of a power play
3. If you injure a player w an illegal hit, you must sit out as long as the injured player is out.
4. No touch icing

#3 would be tough, but the league wants to get tough on head shots and protect its players....

Posted by: griz0615 | February 28, 2011 6:26 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1
Get a life, if you hate the Caps so much find another team to root for. Guess what you don't know more than GMGM as that is why you write comments on a blog and you have NO idea what is said behind closed doors in the trading process.

Posted by: tador88 | February 28, 2011 6:29 PM | Report abuse

@ griz0615

1. - Thats just plain stupid
2. - If only cause there is no one on the Caps that can take one
3. - Agree however if that was applied there would be no Steckel trade today
4. - GET A GRIP - This is the NHL not collage hockey, if you can't play with the big boys stay out of the sand box

Posted by: bqts | February 28, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

Can we keep Hannan and Wideman?

Think Hannan is pissed? I want to see Hannan in a Caps jersey next year.

Posted by: Jordan_Kitts | February 28, 2011 6:31 PM | Report abuse

WE STILL HAVE ****55!! You mean to tell me that we couldn't give him away to another team? Unbelieveable...

So Green will be out a few weeks. He'll return just in time for the playoffs and assume his spot alongside the Big Oaf. Carlson and Alzner are guaranteed slots regardless of their play because, well, they're Carlzner!! That means Wideman and Hannan will be paired for the duration of the playoffs because, well, GMGM traded for them in-season.

And Johnny Rock Star? Barring injury, he'll be returned to the pressbox JUST LIKE LAST YEAR!

Posted by: vermontcaps | February 28, 2011 6:32 PM | Report abuse

I think any comparison to where we were 2 years ago has to account for the bad year by the Big Four. http://voices.washingtonpost.com/dcsportsbog/2011/02/sports_illustrated_on_ovechkin.html . Who predicted that at the start of the season? Not me. Whose fault is it, or stated more neutrally, what caused it? That is the real question about this year.

Posted by: zmega | February 28, 2011 6:33 PM | Report abuse

Guess who is delivering hits at a higher rate this season between Semin and Arnott?

Arnott: 28 hits in 62 games (0.45 per game)
Semin: 23 hits in 48 games (0.48 per game)

lol

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

@ griz0615

So happens if OV hits one of the "tweeners" on the Islanders like Mark Katic. The injury puts him out, but he doesn't play again in the NHL (or maybe ever).

Do you suggest the caps lose OV for the year because of a legal check against a player who has played 2 NHL games?

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | February 28, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

Stecks really seemed to try to play more physical than normal this year, moreso than other players, but he too symbolized the large, meek, passive, gentlemanly nature of the team.

Posted by: vermontcaps | February 28, 2011 5:19 PM

Bingo.

For those that think I'm just a cstanton clone/follower, Steckel is a guy that we've never seen eye to eye on, other than maybe recently.

I was never a fan of Steckel, spec. on a roster with this makeup. Good locker room guy, obviously a faceoff maestro (though I think faceoff skills are vastly overrated), but way too soft for his size and not good enough in his role outside of the faceoff circle.

He had the body for the role but not the mind or the heart. Somebody queue the clip where he skated up to Buff only to be shoved away with one hand before he fearfully turned his head down and skated away.

Perhaps on a well-balanced roster, he could be more useful but when was the last time there was a well-balanced roster in the McPhee era?

Thought so.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1
Get a life, if you hate the Caps so much find another team to root for. Guess what you don't know more than GMGM as that is why you write comments on a blog and you have NO idea what is said behind closed doors in the trading process.

Posted by: tador88

blah blah blahdy blah

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

"Guess what you don't know more than GMGM "

---

On what do you base this? All the Cup team's he's assembled. Let's be real here, everyone posting on this blog has built the exact same amount of Cup-Winning teams as GMGM. The biggest difference is that one of us has been paid over the last 15 years to do this, and the rest of us has not.

But, at the end of the day, the proof is in the results. You have no proof that GMGM is any better at building a cup-winning hockey team than any poster on this board. At best, right now, the most we could possibly know is that we are all equally good at it.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 6:37 PM | Report abuse

Guess who is delivering hits at a higher rate this season between Semin and Arnott?

Arnott: 28 hits in 62 games (0.45 per game)
Semin: 23 hits in 48 games (0.48 per game)

lol

Posted by: tmac2yao

but..you're not in the game dude! so nothing you say means anything.

The comment "a shell of his former self" comes to mind. Arnott has been arguably the most physical forward in at least one playoff season in the past. That speaks to his past ability of being a man on a mission along the boards and just wiping out bodies.

Now he's a shell of his former self. And he's not a Bill Guerin type of leader either. He's better than Perreault. That's what we acquired today. A 2nd line C who is better than Matty P.

but you know, unless you're ecstatic about today's moves 'you're just plan hockey ignorant!'

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

Guess who is delivering hits at a higher rate this season between Semin and Arnott?

Arnott: 28 hits in 62 games (0.45 per game)
Semin: 23 hits in 48 games (0.48 per game)

lol

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:34 PM | Report abuse

@tamc, I don't know if you've noticed by Semin's picked up his game in this regard. He had some awesome hits in the debacle game against the Rags and was credited with 4. I take it as a good sign and mostly as a sign of health (which for him has been in short supply games 20-60.

Posted by: Justafan | February 28, 2011 6:38 PM | Report abuse

CF75: Yes, Fehr and Poti have both missed +23days/10 games. They can go on LTIR. You don't pick up any retroactive cap space for the past (Caps weren't over cap then).

Caps are right now over the cap, on a daily basis, by like $8.5M or so:

($700K under add the three new guys $11M subtract MP and Steckel $1.8M = $8.5M).

Take that $8.5M over and subtract 5.7 on a daily basis (Fehr/Poti LTIR) and that puts you 2.8 over daily. You can only go far with that when you only $675M under so far.

One option is they can go over by Alzner's bonus and have it be a penalty (reduction) next year. Only $850K. Or they can LTIR Green until Mar 22 and all is probably fixed). Or they can demote Sloan and that might just about fix it.

It's hard to really figure out because there's all these tiny cap hits for guys like Ford 1-2 days here and there.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

I'm pretty happy with the trades, although I would have liked to get rid of MP85. I think I'm done with that guy. I'm not too sad to see Steckel leave, as I think BB losing his ex-Hershey squad is a good thing. But to give credit where it's due, all of the guys acquired are upgrades to what we had in place before.

Arnott is obviously no 40 year old Fedorov, but there aren't too many of those available as there is...

Posted by: Doom_and_Gloom | February 28, 2011 6:39 PM | Report abuse

But, at the end of the day, the proof is in the results. You have no proof that GMGM is any better at building a cup-winning hockey team than any poster on this board. At best, right now, the most we could possibly know is that we are all equally good at it.

Posted by: VTDuffman


I know I wouldn't have made the Corvo trade or extended Poti.
Would you?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:41 PM | Report abuse

CF75: Also, if I understand, they don't have to LTIR Green now. They can wait till it gets close to 23 days anyway. If they are over the cap for those days incrementally (as they are), I believe at that point you do get retroactive relief for the amount of Green's LTIR for the entire time he misses. I think.

Bottom line is if they plan to bring back Fehr before the end of the season, and don't LTIR Green, even Poti missing the rerst of the year isn't enough. I think.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 6:43 PM | Report abuse

And Johnny Rock Star? Barring injury, he'll be returned to the pressbox JUST LIKE LAST YEAR!

Posted by: vermontcaps

no doubt in my mind that with a totally healthy roster, Erskine starts the playoffs on the bench. And then gets inserted in predictably after we lose a coupla games. That's Bruce's MO.

He goes to Erskine when all else fails. And Erskine proves worthy. Then finds himself back on the bench thru no fault of his own.

This org doesn't appreciate the defensive nature of hockey. That's why almost every single comment out of McPhee's mouth has to do with offense offense offense.

He mentioned the PP last year in the offseason. He mentioned we lost to Montreal because our offense failed us. When he got Corvo he mentioned his offense. When he acquired Wideman he mentioned his offense. The only player he talked about in a defensive capacity was Hannan.
And even then, you'll never hear McPhee talk about the rugged aspect of hockey. Its like it doesn't even exist in his mind. He's not going to mention that he is looking for a hardhitting defensive dman, ever.

but other GMs do.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:46 PM | Report abuse

These moves are aimed at the next few years.

Posted by: garbageout | February 28, 2011 4:47 PM

How so?

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse

-----

McPhee on On the Fly now talking about he didn't want term on contracts, i.e., this is all about the short term, not the future.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:25 PM

Right after the first post, I saw McPhee on On the Fly. That led to the 2nd post.

How did anything done today (or with Sturm) help out for the next few years?

These were completely and totally low-risk/low-reward moves made for this season.

I have no problem with that though since he failed to start the fixing process this past offseason. There was too much to do before this deadline to sacrificing too much for rentals wasn't worth it. I usually criticize McPhee for sitting on his hands but by doing just that this past offseason, this wasn't the time to finally grow a pair and try to fix more than was fixable. Even if you think we were 3 or 4 pieces away, as opposed to 6 or more like I see it, you'd have to have faith that McPhee hit home runs over every deal. When you had as many needs as we did going into this past offseason, you don't wait until the trade deadline to fix all of them. You try to address 1 or 2 in the offseason then 1 or 2 or more at the trade deadline, even if you are a competent GM with a track record of relative success in the trade and FA market, neither of which describe McPhee.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:47 PM | Report abuse

I just don't think a drastic move like getting Richards would have made us better enough to be worth what we would have had to give up.

We needed another puck moving D man (esp. with Green out and not playing that well) Quite frankly Wideman might have more of an impact on our scorng than the other 2.

Arnott adds a veteran presence and even if he plays 3rd line C and we keep MoJo at 2nd, it is still good.

Sturm will hopefully equate into a Fehr type of player...if not then we didn't give anything up for him and he's cheap.

Ovie/Backs/Knuble
Semin/Arnott/Laich
Sturm/MoJo/Fehr
Chimera/Gordon/Henricks/Bradley

Green/Hannan
Carlson/Alzner
Wideman/schultz/Erskine

It is really not a bad group of players!

Posted by: capscoach | February 28, 2011 6:48 PM | Report abuse

Risking it all was not an option. I believe GMGM did as much as he could under the circumstances and did quite well. Of course, that is yet to be determined. How in the hell can a seasoned vet, a proven NHL center be anything but a plus to this team? Arnott isn't the long term solution and anybody (read: cstanton) that believes that was GMGM's intention is simply wrongheaded at best. I don't know if Steckel was part of the problem in the "room" either. If he was, then that's a start. Hannan, Sturm, Wideman, and now Arnott. Quality veteran players that will make a difference. A difference in the "room", at practice, on the ice and off the ice. This team is young and hasn't had direct leadership from within. We haven't had a REAL captain since Dale Hunter. Try to understand the intangibles and some of the dynamics involved here. Pure talent can only get you so far. I would love to see a list of general manager candidates. Especially from some of the grande bouche that post here.

Posted by: Cayugalaker | February 28, 2011 6:50 PM | Report abuse

"I know I wouldn't have made the Corvo trade or extended Poti.
Would you?"

---

Ha. No. Point to blog jerks knowing more than GMGM.

That said, not that anyone cares about my opinion on this, but I'm fine with what we did today. I'm not flipping out about it, but I'm not upset or anything - I think it's just fine.

Wideman seems like the answer to a question no one was asking. WE didn't need another OFD, we needed more toughness on the blue line, not more scoring. From what I can tell he's an "offensive Dman who can sometimes lapse into a liability" we have like 4 of those, I'm not sure we needed a 5th. He's a step up from Sloan, that's really all you can say and strikes me as "damning with faint praise."

Sturm just seems superfluous, I don't really see what he adds at all. He's an oft injured winger who is old. Sure we didn't give up anything for him, but I'm not sure I see the point of adding him at all.

Arnott is the move I like the most of the 3. I like Steckel, but think his "face off prowess" was often overstated in light of his flaws. He always seemed like a good guy, but more of the same. We have like 4 Steckels on this team. I think in Arnott you get what you're looking for in a 2-3C, Veteran, Cup Winner, front of the net guy. How effective he can be at this is left to be seen, but It's probably the best we could have done. I'm more upset that GMGM never addressed the 2C issue last off-season. Considering that, I think an Arnott now is probably the best we could have done.

We'll see what happens once they hit the ice, as always that will be the true evaluator. I'm hoping for the best, but not expecting it. Overall, I'd say C+/B- depending on how generous I'm feeling at the moment.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 6:51 PM | Report abuse

Things change more rapidly than ever in the hard cap era...

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 4:47 PM

so it is possible the caps will improve by mid april

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 5:09 PM

If you read my entire post and my thoughts on this topic on the past, you would get my point.

The fluctuation I'm talking about isn't up and down in small periods of time for each indvidual team.

I'm talking about teams rising and falling relative to other teams.

My point is that we are downward trending while others are going in the other direction.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:52 PM | Report abuse

Arnott: 28 hits in 62 games (0.45 per game)
Semin: 23 hits in 48 games (0.48 per game)

lol

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:34 PM

semin = grit? :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 6:53 PM | Report abuse

semin = grit? :)

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ


i think he's impling that Arnott currently has even LESS grit than our lovely Sasha :)

compare that to a Mike Ribeiro type who most here consider to be soft. And who racked up 118 hits 2 yrs ago.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:56 PM | Report abuse

"We've been really careful when players have head injuries." GMGM

For some reason, this made me think of when #4 doctor-shopped to resume his season and contribute in the playoffs a couple years ago:

GMGM/BB: Big John the doctors here have ordered you shut down for the remainder of the year. We're sorry.

Rock Star: The doctors here don't know what they're talking about. Hell, they don't even break into what they have access to. I'm going west.

GMGM/BB: That sounds like a good idea, John. Let us know if/when you can play again.

Rock Star: Guess what? I think it was the 12th neurologist I saw who said that I can play. He said I was only risking my career 1/2 as much as the other doctors, that if I did get concussed again a few Extra-Strength Tylenol should do the job.

GMGM/BB: That's good news, but why didn't you find Dr. Mahmoud al Ahmar sooner?? Anyway, you're playing tomorrow so be ready......AND NO EXCUSES!

Yeah, Caps management is careful alright.

BB MUST GO!!! (three)

Posted by: vermontcaps | February 28, 2011 6:59 PM | Report abuse

My point is that we are downward trending while others are going in the other direction.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:52 PM

fair enough - i misinterpreted then

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

@vermont

putting aside the racially charged comment...what you said makes no sense! Maybe the learned from Erskine (and recently Crosby)

Concussions are being taken more seriously now...and what happened in the past has nothing to do with the present. You have a strong tendency to take a random stat or fact and twist it magically into your thought process.

Posted by: capscoach | February 28, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

i think he's impling that Arnott currently has even LESS grit than our lovely Sasha :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:56 PM

i know - that's what the ":)" was for

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

Risking it all was not an option. I believe GMGM did as much as he could under the circumstances and did quite well. Of course, that is yet to be determined. How in the hell can a seasoned vet, a proven NHL center be anything but a plus to this team? Arnott isn't the long term solution and anybody (read: cstanton) that believes that was GMGM's intention is simply wrongheaded at best. I don't know if Steckel was part of the problem in the "room" either. If he was, then that's a start. Hannan, Sturm, Wideman, and now Arnott. Quality veteran players that will make a difference. A difference in the "room", at practice, on the ice and off the ice. This team is young and hasn't had direct leadership from within. We haven't had a REAL captain since Dale Hunter. Try to understand the intangibles and some of the dynamics involved here. Pure talent can only get you so far. I would love to see a list of general manager candidates. Especially from some of the grande bouche that post here.

Posted by: Cayugalaker | February 28, 2011 6:50 PM

It's almost surreal how much you incriminate the man you are trying to defend in this post. If you actually analyze what you just wrote, you are actually ripping McPhee more than you are propping him up.

--He created some of those "circumstances" by sitting on his hands this past offseason. That's why it wasn't worth it to the risks that teams like the Pens and Hawks did with they were legitimately close.

--Why is a team this far into the rebuild so young and lacking leadership from within? Chew on that for a while.

--Why hasn't their been a "real" captain?

--lol @ pure talent can only get you so far... that's what some of us been pointing at forever... that's the crux of McPhee's problem... he can't build a balanced roster.

--One of my biggest points is that either Leonsis or McPhee or both are the ones that aren't getting the intangibles and dynamics involved in the hard cap era. That may not be all of the prob but it's part of it.

--And finally, here's my list:

Anybody else.

If you believe as I do that we are utterly spinning our wheels at this point with the current GM, any change at least gives us a chance to get out of the mud.

If ain't broke, don't fix it.

If it is broke, you gotta at least do something or it ain't gonna get fixed.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 7:04 PM | Report abuse

I, for one, don't think that Ribiero is what this team needs. Didn't realize he racked up that hit total but I still say you need the right cast of players around him to take advantage of his strengths. And I don't think the Caps have that supporting cast.

Either way, he ain't comin so we'll never know.

Maybe I'm underestimating his physicality and grit but I never saw him as that type of player when I watched him play. He's pretty puny but maybe he has more heart than I gave him credit for. On the right team, he probably makes good sense.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 7:09 PM | Report abuse

We needed another puck moving D man (esp. with Green out and not playing that well) Quite frankly Wideman might have more of an impact on our scorng than the other 2.

--cc---------

if i could just go the rest of my life without hearing that the CAps need another "puck moving dman" I could die happy.

Usually teams which need a puck moving dman, are loaded on the backline with hardnosed blueliners. And they need a puck mover to balance that out.

We're not that team. So why are we always looking for more puckmoving dmen?

Boston getting Kaberle, that makes sense. But we don't have the same kind of D that they have. Its mindboggling.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:11 PM | Report abuse

@tamc, I don't know if you've noticed by Semin's picked up his game in this regard. He had some awesome hits in the debacle game against the Rags and was credited with 4. I take it as a good sign and mostly as a sign of health (which for him has been in short supply games 20-60.

Posted by: Justafan | February 28, 2011 6:38 PM

I think it was mostly a sign of the extreme desperation of the team. It takes extreme situations for Semin to get to that level. He doesn't bring that part of game with anything resembling consistency. As has been touched on, a well-balanced team would better be able to take advantage of Semin's strengths and cover up for his weaknesses. On this group led by a GM with this philosophy, his weaknesses are magnified. Add in that we totally lack depth up the middle and are already spending about $10 mil for a wing player and it just seems completely logical to move Semin to bring in a player that helps us up the middle or one that doesn't depend as much on the cast around him to cover up for his weaknesses... or both if you find the right player.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

OK tmac,

I used to work for the Fed too. But they never got me to buy into their motto. "If it ain't broke,.....fix it UNTIL it is".

My stance is that our "older" stars are 25yrs old for crying out loud. And this "system change" hasn't been the easiest thing for BB or the players that came up through the system. This may not be the year for us but I believe we are on the right track.

Posted by: Cayugalaker | February 28, 2011 7:14 PM | Report abuse

@tominsocal1

It now appears that Fehr and Poti are, indeed, put on LTIR. McPhee has confirmed it. So that's some Cap relief for the moment.

Posted by: CapsFan75 | February 28, 2011 7:19 PM | Report abuse

I think Wideman will improve the powerplay pretty quickly. He's going to be trying to impress the new team and when Green was on the point it looked like he wasn't moving his feet and just kept holding the puck and making soft plays. Good pickups overall including Sturm. Arnott probably isn't really a 2nd line centre but he's going to be an improvement over what they've got and should be a good veteran to have in the playoffs. When Fehr gets back they'll have a pretty solid top 9.

Posted by: Stu_c | February 28, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

tmac - I wasn't arguing for Ribeiro either. Just pointing out how far Jason Arnott has fallen from his past capabilities. If they tracked hits when he won the Cup with the Devils, I'd say he comfortably had a dozen or more hits every playoff game. He was a wrecking ball with talent.

Now he really has an old tired banged up body and he chooses not to engage in battles like he used to. He's got to be among the least prolific hitters in hockey currently. He's in Boyd Gordon territory.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:20 PM | Report abuse

if i could just go the rest of my life without hearing that the CAps need another "puck moving dman" I could die happy.

cstanton

Our D is pretty good this season...and since we are not scoring as we should it might help to have another puck moving D man...sorry but it makes sense

Posted by: capscoach | February 28, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

"Why are we always looking for more puck moving dmen?

Have you seen our power play lately? That is the primary reason we are so inconsistent and are losing games we should be winning. As much as I like Erskine and Hannan, they don't help much on the PP.

If having Wideman and Green (eventually) on the points means we can move Ovie up front where he belongs, that alone was worth the deal. Imagine strong shots from the point and the wings and Arnott in front to pick up the garbage. Works for me.

Posted by: StevefromSacto | February 28, 2011 7:25 PM | Report abuse

I can't figure out what exact direction tmac and cstanton think we should be going in other than to be fans of other teams

Posted by: hartattack | February 28, 2011 7:29 PM | Report abuse

I don't know if you've noticed by Semin's picked up his game in this regard. He had some awesome hits in the debacle game against the Rags and was credited with 4
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and 3 yrs ago v the Flyers starting in game 4 he was hitting anything in sight.

Its not an upward trend for Semin to play like this. He can have 4 hits in one game and then go a dozen games without any contact.

Just points to his overall inconsistent play

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:30 PM | Report abuse

I can't figure out what exact direction tmac and cstanton think we should be going in other than to be fans of other teams

Posted by: hartattack

You noticed?

Posted by: Cayugalaker | February 28, 2011 7:32 PM | Report abuse

I like the two/three moves, gives the team some new faces and energy and hopefully Sturm/Arnott will tell the young guys to get their acts together and start playing to potential.

I still think the team is going to be hampered on the power play b/c we dont have a single player on the team who is left-handed and capable of shooting the puck more than 50 mph (other than Erskine). Wideman doesnt solve that, he will just hopefully eat into some of Green's minutes on the PP.

And I dont understand how the Caps couldnt pony up the draft picks/prospects for a guy like Dustin Penner who would be literally unstoppable in the playoffs. Huge guy, good hands, scores goals, not afraid to throw his weight around. Put him on a second line with Arnott and Knuble, that would be pretty awesome.

Posted by: rockthis | February 28, 2011 7:33 PM | Report abuse

Our D is pretty good this season...and since we are not scoring as we should it might help to have another puck moving D man...sorry but it makes sense

Posted by: capscoach

yeah if you look at it that blithely.

But hockey isn't always that simple.

Sometimes for example you can get MORE offense out of a particular line by adding a grinder to the mix instead of a skill player.

Its just ironic that a team who has always needed more muscle on D consistently goes looking for more puck movers.

So sorry, but THAT doesn't make ANY sense to me.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:35 PM | Report abuse

@tmac; @cstanton; yes, to state the obvious, he's inconsistent. But if Semin strung together a late-season push like he began the first 18 games of the season (until hurt), we would be miles ahead of where we are right now and in much better shape to take a playoff series or more.

Yes, inonsistencey is a given with the guy and it's frustrating, but he's been playing hurt most of the season and the fact that he landed four that game (and a couple of them were huge -- I was in the seats and did a double take to confirm it was 28) indicates to me that he's much healthier and in a position to contribute commensurate with his salary.

Posted by: Justafan | February 28, 2011 7:36 PM | Report abuse

Good move by the Caps to pick up Sturm. Now if they could only go out and get Anton Drang -- pairing those two on the same line would be dynamite.

Posted by: jmbethesda | February 28, 2011 7:37 PM | Report abuse

@tmac; @cstanton; yes, to state the obvious, he's inconsistent. But if Semin strung together a late-season push like he began the first 18 games of the season (until hurt), we would be miles ahead of where we are right now and in much better shape to take a playoff series or more.

---justafan

My point is simply, that seeing Semin rack up 4 hits in a game recently isn't an indication necessarily that he is improving that aspect of his game. He's done this same thing in the past and then faded away.


"I can't figure out what exact direction tmac and cstanton think we should be going in other than to be fans of other teams

Posted by: hartattack"

its even more puzzling to me what direction you think we should be going? Keep making the same types of moves every year and expect different results?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:38 PM | Report abuse

Thoughts on the GMGM press conf?
Seems pretty high on D Orlov. Does anyone know what his KHL status is and when he could be in DC? GM did not seem to give much info about it.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 7:41 PM | Report abuse

let me guess. He likes Orlov's potential for "offense" and he likes the fact he is a "puck mover"

For a guy who is so wired into how players skate and pass the puck, what did he ever see in DJK? At the very least you'd think McPhee would go acquire a 4th line tough guy who skated real well but wasn't that tough.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:44 PM | Report abuse

and same thing i said about Sturm.

give it about 10 games. And you'll get a clear picture of what you can expect from Arnott, Wideman, and Sturm.

initial games are never a good indicator because players invariably try harder and play with more enthusiasm. If you watched Zubrus's first game with the Caps you'd think you were getting a young Todd Bertuzzi.

Jason Chimera's first few games he looked like a bruising winger with speed.

10 games..that'll tell ya.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:46 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1,
Absolutely, that is all he said about him but what else was he supposed to say, ya know. Anyway, I thought he just looked like he did not even want to be there.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 7:53 PM | Report abuse

"I can't figure out what exact direction tmac and cstanton think we should be going in other than to be fans of other teams "

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Blindly praising every move by coaching and Management is not requisite to fandom. I was a fan of this team before these guys and I will be a fan of this team after these guys. I am a Capitals Fan, not a George McPhee Fan. If he's doing things that I feel are detrimental to the team that I am a fan of, I am going to voice that. Ditto for the coach.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

rumor is semin would have been traded for bailey and first pick. which would have been flipped for hemsky... so sturm bailey hemsky our second line..

Posted by: samb99 | February 28, 2011 7:58 PM | Report abuse

cstanton- so what're your alternative moves, which McPhee has missed.

you're the genius, please give us the benefit of your wisdom

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 8:02 PM | Report abuse

I would have preferred a trade for a better winger than Sturm. Penner was the guy I wanted as well. Orlov and a first probably would have done it.

McPhee botched things badly this summer. He gave out really bad extensions, and didn't bring in any new blood. Now, this is the best he could do.

We are a better team then yesterday. But I wanted us to add someone with greater impact.

But all in all, if you look at McPhee, he has never really made an impactful trade, outside of Jagr.

Posted by: underpants2 | February 28, 2011 8:03 PM | Report abuse

@fricknoutatanding. (I think I got that right)

Yeah, it would be really hard to enforce a rule like that, too many gray areas. But I wouldn't have minded seeing after the Matt Cooke hit on Savard.

And I think you may have been hinting at the Ovechkin hit on Jamie Heward... I don't think there was a penalty called or any supplemental discipline, although it was borderline at best

Posted by: griz0615 | February 28, 2011 8:07 PM | Report abuse

I’m no fan of McPhee, and have to wonder why he didn’t get his second line center last summer when he had many options. He seemed to be the only one that seemed to think this team didn’t need it. Nevertheless, his three moves were all good ones. I’m a big Steckel fan and hate to see him go. That all said, many of the posts critical of today’s moves are the same calling Steckel a one-trick, clamoring for a second linetwo-way, and decrying the PP production. Today, McPhee made positive impacts in all areas. Steckel was having a poor year, as many of the CAPs are, and unfortunately someone had to go. You can’t worry about the impact of the trades to the psyche of this team, because it really can’t get much worse. Now, no place to go but up. Good moves today, McPhee. Good gain, little loss. As several have said, the CAPs are a better positioned team today than yesterday. Now it is the job of the "C" and the "A’s" to welcome these new guys in, and leverage them as part of the team. If it doesn’t happen and the team can’t pick it up then it’s the fault of the players and the coach. Not the GM, not now.

Posted by: festus75 | February 28, 2011 8:08 PM | Report abuse

not a bad day. The team is better than they were at the beginning of the day. The Arnott trade was necessary, but only insomuch that it made up for the offseason blunder of letting both BMo and Belanger go without an adequate replacement.

Posted by: zyvo23 | February 28, 2011 8:10 PM | Report abuse

Obviously Sturm and Arnott won't be the same players they once were, BUT if they can add maturity and leadership in the locker room: great! Maybe more veterans on the team can wake these Young Guns up, so they start playing like they're capable of!

Posted by: kcbrichmond | February 28, 2011 8:17 PM | Report abuse

Will Arnott and Wideman be reporting tomorrow? Playing?

Posted by: festus75 | February 28, 2011 8:21 PM | Report abuse

Will Arnott and Wideman be reporting tomorrow? Playing?

Posted by: festus75 | February 28, 2011 8:22 PM | Report abuse

The one criticism of GMGM for which there is no response is the failure to get a 2C in the offseason. He just got painted into a corner with the Belanger situation.

Posted by: zmega | February 28, 2011 8:23 PM | Report abuse

@zyvo23,
Agreed, we did not get the so called Impact player GMGM was professing the last few weeks but ultimately, we are a better team then yesterday. I guess that is all we could really hope for so we have to live with it. The real question is what will BB do with the new trio since his coaching skills are suspect right now in that he has lost the team to a certain degree. Guess only time will tell.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 8:28 PM | Report abuse

@zyvo23,
Agreed, we did not get the so called Impact player GMGM was professing the last few weeks but ultimately, we are a better team then yesterday. I guess that is all we could really hope for so we have to live with it. The real question is what will BB do with the new trio since his coaching skills are suspect right now in that he has lost the team to a certain degree. Guess only time will tell.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 8:29 PM | Report abuse

OnFrozenBlog is hearing that the #Caps offered Semin & a 3rd or 4th rounder to the Islanders for a 1st round pick, Josh Bailey, and Jason Gregoire. FWIW

No idea if this is true but interesting.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 8:36 PM | Report abuse

I'm guessing there is some truth to it at the least.

Props to McPhee for at least trying to do what needed to be done. I didn't even expect that much.

Semin's days as a Cap are numbered. I don't hate the guy or think he sucks, we just have bigger needs.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 8:42 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao _ Semin is an elite player, you dont know what you're talking about.

Posted by: guer_j | February 28, 2011 8:47 PM | Report abuse

So why would GMGM bother to extend Semin for another 2 yrs at the very high price of 7.6M per? To be completely honest with you, I really do not think Semin was on the move list what so ever during talks.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Semin's days as a Cap are numbered. I don't hate the guy or think he sucks, we just have bigger needs.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 8:42 PM

if the caps could find an inginla type player (at a reasonable cost) to play on a line with semin - would you want to keep him. i completely agree the caps need more balance (skill/grit ratio) in their lineup - i just don't see it as a dire straits situation as others do.

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse


But at least it takes MP out of the lineup so for that I'm happy.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 4:13 PM |


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whining about a rookie. what a joke.

i left the board hours ago to tend to matters and your still here whining.

tell us, do you own season tickets ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 8:52 PM | Report abuse

I want strength up the middle.

If we didn't have Ovie, it'd be a diff story.

As is, Semin is expendable to fill bigger needs.

He is an immensely talented player and will be big for another team.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 8:54 PM | Report abuse

Stecks,Thank you for concussing Cindy! Godspeed!

Posted by: markfromparkville | February 28, 2011 9:00 PM | Report abuse

More specifically, if we didn't have Ovie's contract, it'd be a diff story.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:02 PM | Report abuse

@vermont

putting aside the racially charged comment...what you said makes no sense!

Posted by: capscoach | February 28, 2011 7:02 PM | Report abuse

Say what? I was just trying to be inclusive, which I'm sure you're well-schooled on. (Yup, pun intended.) I had trouble thinking of a good Indian or Pakistani name, but I glanced down at the newspaper and saw a few Yemeni names. I joined 'em together and presto.

Now, for all you student fans that dominate this blog (students completing extra credit assignments for ya, capscoach?), find an Atlas and locate those countries. Next, do an internet search and see if you can identify who the Special Assistant to the Ambassador for the Consulate of the Ministry Dept of the United States is in each of those countries.

Racially charged? No. Promoting some multiculturalism and doing my part to broaden understandings? Absolutely.

Posted by: vermontcaps | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse


As is, Semin is expendable to fill bigger needs.

He is an immensely talented player and will be big for another team.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 8:54 PM |

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semin is staying, move on

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

zmega: You got it exactly right. McPhee painted himself into a corner this past summer. If you recall, he dangled the carrot in front of Belanger (even though most blame the agent, I blame both) for like six weeks while he waited on the Flash arbitration hearing. I don't know if he thought Gabriel was going to come down from Heaven and whisper the right moves into his ear, but he just waited and waited and waited. There were guys like Koivu and Lombardi out there. Koivu I really wanted. Word was he didn't want to move. What about for a few dollars more, would he have come here? McPhee didn't try, saying MP, Flash and MaJo could do the job. So he accepts the Flash arbitration amount which is more than Koivu got! Meanwhile he was going to pay Belanger twice going rate before backing out! As I've pointed out, BMo by himself is on pace for more points than MP, MJ and Stecks combined!

What we have now, heading into the Plyoffs, is the world's biggest hodgepodge team. A bunch of disparite pieces. Maybe it will work, I don't know, I haven't followed the three players we got.

One thing we don't have is any of our centers to anchor the PP. MJ maybe if he had a year or two more experience. I don't expect any defense at all from Arnott or Sturm and unfortunately we are top heavy in forwards who don't do D.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM | Report abuse

from somebody "not in the game", one who may be mentioned as an idiot, moron or @hole by the more classy members of this blog, please accept this comment about a puck moving defense man. While watching the Pens/Caps game of a week ago, it took me back to the playoff series two years ago. De ja vu all over again, we couldn't get the puck out of our end. Maybe , just maybe some one "in the game" thinks it would help if we had a right handed puck moving defense man to help get the puck out of our end. It may have made a difference in our last two lost series
Pardon me for even attempting another outlook.

Posted by: billd2 | February 28, 2011 9:05 PM | Report abuse

semin is staying, move on

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM

I'll be you my presence in this forum that Semin is not a Capital by the end of next season at the lastest.

Deal?

And I won't rejoin under another name.

You don't even have to ante up anything. I'm that sure of it.

Esp. with Kuznetsov and other cheaper options available through other means, one way or the other, McPhee will convert Semin's cap space into a player that fills a greater need.

Again, Semin is a highly gifted player and will be a better fit on a team with different needs.

If we didn't have Ovie and his contract, keeping Semin would be the right move for now at least.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

@tmac. Except that proposed trade is a downgrade on the second line and also sounds a lot more like a team looking to rebuild then trying to win now. Unless we turned that first round pick in another trade it makes no sense at all for us.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 9:06 PM | Report abuse

Jason Chimera's first few games he looked like a bruising winger with speed.
10 games..that'll tell ya.
Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 7:46 PM |

This is why you need to learn to skate before opening your trap white bred.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 28, 2011 9:08 PM | Report abuse

So why would GMGM bother to extend Semin for another 2 yrs at the very high price of 7.6M per? To be completely honest with you, I really do not think Semin was on the move list what so ever during talks.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 8:48 PM | Report abuse

Semin was only extended for 1 year at 6.7mil. Not saying it's not a lot of money but a very different deal than you thought took place.

Posted by: fanohock1 | February 28, 2011 9:09 PM | Report abuse

Oops...we don't have a center to anchor the PK!

And that was what was so wonderful about Koivu. He can multi-task. PP, ES, PK, do them all. Backie? His PK is average, maybe. MaJo, maybe a spec above avg. Arnott? If we see him on the PK it means the wheels have fallen off the cart and we are headed over the edge of the cliff.

OK, SCF, somehow Caps get there, we are up by a goal, two minutes left, and we go shorthanded.

Which forwards do you put out there? Laich? That's one...Majo...Knuble...remember, we got two minutes to kill! Beagle?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 9:12 PM | Report abuse

This is why you need to learn to skate before opening your trap white bred.

Posted by: Rocc00 | February 28, 2011 9:08 PM

Hey Capscoach! If you're going to go after people for racially charged comments, how about this one? About as ignorant as you can get!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 9:16 PM | Report abuse

just maybe some one "in the game" thinks it would help if we had a right handed puck moving defense man to help get the puck out of our end. It may have made a difference in our last two lost series
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Not all righties play right side and not all lefties play left. Do you know which side Wideman normally plays? I sure don't.

I think both Ray Bourque and Paul Coffey played right D even though they were both lefties.

Posted by: joek443 | February 28, 2011 9:17 PM | Report abuse

@tom, Koivu wouldn't take more money to go play with his brother in Minny, no way he comes here no matter what the price. He has plenty of money and at this point in his career would rather play with his friend Selanne then make more money.

I agree that we should have answered our C issue in the offseason but Koivu wasn't a real option. I would have really liked Madden. Not a #2 center but a great #3 and more Cup experience then what we just got at the deadline. MJ90, while not a great #2 C is a good defensive balence to Semin and with a solid #3 behind him would not have had to carry as much as he has. Now Madden was looking at teams with defensive styles but since it was clear even at the start of the season we were going to work toward that we could have made a pitch that we wanted him to show this team how to play defensive hockey. It might not have worked but it would have been worth a try.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 9:18 PM | Report abuse

Thought I read it was for 2 yrs at the same price for Backs, must look up where I read it.
As for the obvious no move players like Ovie and Backs, I think the 5 players GMGM was eluding to as non negoch were Varly, Neuvy, Semin, Laich, and Green. Way too bad because if he really wanted that so called impact player, they are expendable. But then again, sadly were are talking about GMGM here.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 9:19 PM | Report abuse

@tmac. Except that proposed trade is a downgrade on the second line and also sounds a lot more like a team looking to rebuild then trying to win now. Unless we turned that first round pick in another trade it makes no sense at all for us.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 9:06 PM

Forget the specifics... I'm saying that Semin will not be a Capital by the end of next season at the lastest. That is my prediction. And it's not because he sucks. He doesn't by any means. I explained my reasoning in prev. posts.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:21 PM | Report abuse


semin is staying, move on

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM

I'll be you my presence in this forum that Semin is not a Capital by the end of next season at the lastest.

Deal?

And I won't rejoin under another name.

You don't even have to ante up anything. I'm that sure of it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:06 PM

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the comment above is flat out dumb ass. we're on an internet board to discuss, why the hell would i even entertain such an offer.

the rest of your comments i didn't post because you've made all the points 100's of times already.

move on and get over your semin deal


Posted by: Flip_Flop | February 28, 2011 9:26 PM | Report abuse

Which forwards do you put out there? Laich? That's one...Majo...Knuble...remember, we got two minutes to kill! Beagle?

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 9:12 PM

semin - assuming he is not the one in the box - for commiting another silly penalty while in the O zone
or was that a given that you omitted?

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | February 28, 2011 9:28 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao. I don't think we have to trade Semin as you do but if we trade Semin it has to be for something that makes us better now. Not a young guy who in a few years could be good and a draft pick.

Posted by: icehammer97 | February 28, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

Right, got why dyslexic there when I read Semin and his extension. Correct, 1 yr 6.7M, not 2 yr 7.6M. God, gotta get my eyes checked and, $#!+ reading glasses. Guess it was bound to happen, just did not think so soon, sniff, sniff.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 9:30 PM | Report abuse

cstanton- so what're your alternative moves, which McPhee has missed.

you're the genius, please give us the benefit of your wisdom

Posted by: capsfan7

yet another no name fan who suddenly shows up. And with such interesting names like Capsfanfillintheblank.

I'd rather see trolls from other teams here than the new crop who suddenly showed up out of nowhere today.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:34 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

Would you have traded Semin for Neil?

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

joek443, sorry, my point was not so much a right or left handed as someone adept at getting the puck up the ice. as much as I like John E and Schultz, they don't get the puck out, costs us eh? as I said maybe, just maybe it will help. I try and stay away from words such as " i know it will" or most certainly will , well you get the drift, just my humble opion

Posted by: billd2 | February 28, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

Cap'n: Good one! I didn't think of that!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 9:36 PM | Report abuse

whining about a rookie. what a joke.

i left the board hours ago to tend to matters and your still here whining.

tell us, do you own season tickets ?


Posted by: hessone

and you waste your time whining about posters. Ted?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

"semin is staying, move on"

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Yeah, GMGM made a resounding commitment to Semin when he offered an extension for a whole year. Hendricks, Erskine, and even Poti got two.

Semin's the one piece in this club that has real potential trade value to another team, but if he's not moved next year, he isn't going to be in a Caps Sweater for the 2012-2013 season. You can pretty much bank on it.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 9:37 PM | Report abuse

semin is staying, move on

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM

I'll be you my presence in this forum that Semin is not a Capital by the end of next season at the lastest.

Deal?

And I won't rejoin under another name.


--tmac--

you may not rejoin under another name. But I bet "hessone" will. He probably already has 3 or 4 names on this board.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:38 PM | Report abuse


cstanton- so what're your alternative moves, which McPhee has missed.

you're the genius, please give us the benefit of your wisdom

Posted by: capsfan7

yet another no name fan who suddenly shows up. And with such interesting names like Capsfanfillintheblank.

I'd rather see trolls from other teams here than the new crop who suddenly showed up out of nowhere today.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:34 PM |

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since when do you own this board ?

are you a caps season ticket holder ?

do you ever post anything positive ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:39 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

Would you have traded Semin for Neil?

Posted by: will111 |

hey look its SGM3!

did the batteries for your stat machine run out?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

Couple more notes about Caps, NHL, et al

Guys at NHL Network were saying Steckel was a hot commodity with multiple teams interested in him. (I did bad mouth the kid last year but I thought he skated much better this year myself.)

I want a euro coach or executive? Given that Tampa Bay has done very well with the classy Yzerman, there are some excellent euro choices beginning with Peter Forsberg. He and Larionov would be great choices as either execs or coaches and I hope they get the chance...

Posted by: RedLitYogi | February 28, 2011 9:40 PM | Report abuse

"do you ever post anything positive ?"

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Do you? All I see you do on here is bash other posters. You actually contribute *less* to the conversation than the posters who you obsess over for posting things that you don't like.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

semin is staying, move on

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:03 PM

I'll be you my presence in this forum that Semin is not a Capital by the end of next season at the lastest.

Deal?

And I won't rejoin under another name.

You don't even have to ante up anything. I'm that sure of it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:06 PM

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the comment above is flat out dumb ass. we're on an internet board to discuss, why the hell would i even entertain such an offer.

the rest of your comments i didn't post because you've made all the points 100's of times already.

move on and get over your semin deal


Posted by: Flip_Flop

did HESSONE just "out" himself?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:42 PM | Report abuse

Some DJ King comments -

1) caps had no enforcers last year, were a MUCH better team. Is this because "enforcers" are a psychopathic presence in the locker room?

2) Someone explain why some posters here loved DJK so much? Honestly the guy came in here concussed and evidently some other bodily damage. He played as if in a fog and when he fought his opponents invariably were able to completely neutratlize his right hand and then just hammer him. It was gruesome and the Caps - I think - may simply have been being humane by not playing the guy. He was a bad pickup.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | February 28, 2011 9:44 PM | Report abuse

are you a caps season ticket holder ?

do you ever post anything positive ?

Posted by: hessone

I'm positive you don't know much about hockey. Does that count? Hessone or Flip Flop or Capsfan1234 or whoever you are.

And why the hell would i PAY money to support an organization that is currenlty run by idiots?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:45 PM | Report abuse

Guys at NHL Network were saying Steckel was a hot commodity with multiple teams interested in him.
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because of his size and faceoff skills.

Too bad we got stuck with Gordo.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:46 PM | Report abuse

@ cstanton1:

Where do you come from? You say you come on here to talk hockey, I ask you a hockey question that you don't answer and then call me SGM someone. I have no idea who that is.

Would you have traded Semin for Neil? I think this is a fair question. You like the toughness that Neil would bring to the playoff and you think Semin is a ghost in the playoff. You also think the playoff are the only thing that matter. Therefore, asking you if you would trade Semin for Neil is a legitimate question.

Answer or don't, but I don't give a sh*t what you call me.

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 9:48 PM | Report abuse


Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 9:42 PM |

why the urge to defend others ? i think folks can stand their own ground.

i've posted positive comments about the players and the FO. 2 posters are extremely negative, without naming anyone, no big deal.

beat that dead horse

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:49 PM | Report abuse

Someone explain why some posters here loved DJK so much?
--red--

I think the "role" is what most of his fans really wanted to see get developed. Whether it was King or someone else, its nothing short of stupid that our GM can't go find a capable NHL enforcer. Only a McPhee could turn a simple job into rocket science.

We held onto Brashear too long. We had to go last yr without one. Then we have to TRADE for a guy who ends up being a bust.

We don't develop our own tough guys. We have no history of understanding how to groom a tough guy. Other teams have no problems cycling thru tough guys or replacing one if he's injured.

Ironic isn't it? McPhee was a tough guy when he played. But he's a clueless nub when it comes to understanding how to acquire one that can play at this level.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:50 PM | Report abuse

you may not rejoin under another name. But I bet "hessone" will. He probably already has 3 or 4 names on this board.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:38 PM

I actually said he didn't have to reciprocate. If Semin is still here the season after next, I'm gone. No matter what, he doesn't have to do anything. I'm that confident that Semin's days our numbered.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:51 PM | Report abuse

Would you have traded Semin for Neil? I think this is a fair question. You like the toughness that Neil would bring to the playoff and you think Semin is a ghost in the playoff. You also think the playoff are the only thing that matter. Therefore, asking you if you would trade Semin for Neil is a legitimate question.

Answer or don't, but I don't give a sh*t what you call me.


Posted by: will111

SGM, can't you even pretend to write like someone else? You're just embarassing yourself.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:52 PM | Report abuse

i've posted positive comments about the players and the FO
--hessone/flipflop--

what makes you such an expert that you can offer praise to the front office? Do you know enough about hockey to praise their moves?

i'm thinking not. Are you employed in the NHL? Are you IN the gaMe? You're completely unqualified to offer praise. So quit beating that dead horse.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:53 PM | Report abuse

"why the urge to defend others ? i think folks can stand their own ground.

i've posted positive comments about the players and the FO. 2 posters are extremely negative, without naming anyone, no big deal. "

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I'm not defending anyone. I'm attacking you because you're acting like a jackwagon and adding nothing to to board. Get over yourself, you're annoying, sanctimonious, and add less to this board than the posters you hate. They might have a consistently negative tone, but at least they actually talk about hockey. You have two basic posts:

"Everything is great!"

"People who disagree with me suck!"

You think you're a better fan than everyone else, we get it. We all bow before your presence. Now, please continue to tell us all how great everything is. I was a particularly impressed with your lecturing people for not being happy enough for coming from behind and squeaking by one of the worst teams in the league last Sat. in an overall horribly played game.

If you wanted to reprise that one it would be great. *holds out lighter and awaits an encore performance*

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

These moves are aimed at the next few years.

Posted by: garbageout | February 28, 2011 4:47 PM

How so?

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 6:24 PM | Report abuse


@tmac2yao

There's some sort of institutional knowledge of how to win in the NHL post-season. Some teams have it -- Pens, e.g. The Caps organization utterly lacks this knowledge -- from the owner down to the equipment managers.

The Caps aren't going to win the cup this year. But they do still need to win at least a round this year: as practice. To learn, as an organization, how to win an NHL playoff series.

A few years from now, when Eakin and friends are hitting their stride, they need to be joining a team that already knows how to win in the post-season. And then we will have a crack at the cup. But we have to start by winning a round this year, and that's why GMGM brought these guys in today.

Posted by: garbageout | February 28, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse


And why the hell would i PAY money to support an organization that is currenlty run by idiots?

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:45 PM |

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that's all i needed to hear. you don't support this team whatsoever.

why do you even waste your time on the caps if you feel this way ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

He was a bad pickup.

Posted by: RedLitYogi | February 28, 2011 9:44 PM

And he wasn't just a pick up. We gave up a late round draft pick that fit the profile of the type of player and attitude we need on this neutered bunch. Della Rovere may never pan out but DJ King not only didn't pan out, he wasn't even given much of a chance.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:54 PM | Report abuse

I actually said he didn't have to reciprocate. If Semin is still here the season after next, I'm gone. No matter what, he doesn't have to do anything. I'm that confident that Semin's days our numbered.

Posted by: tmac2yao

I'd say its an overwhelming certainty that Semin is gone after next year.

I'm sure the Caps are hoping that one of their younger Euros will step in and fill a scoring void so they can cut ties with AS and save money in the process. In the meantime they're keeping Semin around to bridge that gap.

What will be interesting to see is how he does in the playoffs this year and what impact that has on the front office and their planning for next season. Another early playoff exit will put even more justified pressure on a front office that is used to getting hardly any pressure from fans or media.

McPhee's got one of the easier jobs in hockey. Almost no accountability.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 9:57 PM | Report abuse

Would you have traded Semin for Neil? I think this is a fair question. You like the toughness that Neil would bring to the playoff and you think Semin is a ghost in the playoff. You also think the playoff are the only thing that matter. Therefore, asking you if you would trade Semin for Neil is a legitimate question.

Answer or don't, but I don't give a sh*t what you call me.

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 9:48 PM

Your logic reflects that of sgm so much, it's eerie. If you aren't him, you absolutely are his long lost brother.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

"You also think the playoff are the only thing that matter."

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OK, I kind of thought that the "you are sgm" thing was a joke, but this actually confirms it. Sgm is the only one stupid enough to post crap like this. Remember when you told me that "winning cups doesn't matter, we're trynig to build a brand?" that was awesome.

Just go back to your old name, we all know who you are. Zebra can't change his stripes.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 9:58 PM | Report abuse

that's all i needed to hear. you don't support this team whatsoever.

--hessone--

obviously you're too dimwitted to understand the difference between supporting your 'team' and supporting your front office or ownership.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:00 PM | Report abuse


McPhee's got one of the easier jobs in hockey. Almost no accountability.

-cstanton1/tmac2yao-

did we have to hold up a cue card ?

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@VTDuff...the posters on this board may have the same amount of cup wins as GMGM, but I don't know if any of us have a Hobey Baker, experience playing NHL games, or as many regular season or playoff wins, do we?

Posted by: boomer44 | February 28, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:

Where do you come from? You say you come on here to talk hockey, I ask you a hockey question that you don't answer and then call me SGM someone. I have no idea who that is.

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hehe, good one SGM!

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

cstanton, I've been poking around this blog for years. I rarely post-- why bother...

but you live here... so little life otherwise? arrogant putz in a small pond... no true hockey person could be so snotty

you posting from your mom's basement?

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 10:01 PM | Report abuse

@VTDuff...the posters on this board may have the same amount of cup wins as GMGM, but I don't know if any of us have a Hobey Baker, experience playing NHL games, or as many regular season or playoff wins, do we?

Posted by: boomer44

vinny cerrato was a prominent force in TWO NFL organizations.

And he's widely considered an idiot.

Phil Esposito was a prominent NHL player. And he was widely considered an idiot when he was GM of the Rangers.


At some point, you dump the credentials and you look at the actual work done and judge for yourself. This "if you're not in the game" BS is the last refuge of an incompetent insecure GM.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:04 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1:

For all your talk about knowing what you're talking about you can't answer a simple question. What a joke. People like you are a dime a dozen. The insecurity of needing to be right that you take an obvious path of low percentage risk statements like the Caps won't win the cup. Nothing the caps did this year would have that outcome, you know it and decided long ago that no matter what moves were made you could bash them because they won't win a cup this year. Grow a pair.

Hey cstanton1 how many stats you google today so you can act like you know what you're talking about?

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse


cstanton, I've been poking around this blog for years. I rarely post-- why bother...

but you live here... so little life otherwise? arrogant putz in a small pond... no true hockey person could be so snotty

you posting from your mom's basement?

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 10:01 PM |

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he's posting from the hole of despair

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 10:05 PM | Report abuse

He was a bad pickup.

Posted by: RedLitYogi

not according to your esteemed general manager the dishonorable George McPhee.

At the time of the trade, they scouted King and they liked him a lot.

miscalculation? again?

if you can't even scout a tough guy, you're in the wrong business.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:06 PM | Report abuse

"@VTDuff...the posters on this board may have the same amount of cup wins as GMGM, but I don't know if any of us have a Hobey Baker, experience playing NHL games, or as many regular season or playoff wins, do we?"

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It depends on what your goals are, I guess. I was always under the assumption that the goal was to win the cup. If the goal is to win the cup, that's the standard by which things must be evaluated.

That's the point. What's the value in the "NHL Games" He played, or the "Regular Season Wins?" Who cares? It's not resulting in cups. And come on, you're not actually using the Caps playoff record under GMGM as a *positive* are you?

The goal is to win the cup, based on that goal, we've all produced the same results as GMGM. It appears that all of his "experience" doesn't seem to be doing him much good compared to us nothings. This is the point.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:07 PM | Report abuse

"hat's all i needed to hear. you don't support this team whatsoever.

why do you even waste your time on the caps if you feel this way ?"

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Boy, this Hessone person sure does sound like Ted, doesn't he? If you aren't a season ticket holder, then you aren't supporting the team he infers.

Ted told me that straight to my face one day. He was full of it too.

Posted by: rblatch45 | February 28, 2011 10:08 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan7:

cstanton1 is a total tool. All he knows about hockey is what google tells him.
No way that guy still lives at home. Parents had enough of him when he turned 40. No, he's on his own... Subway and McDonalds wrappers on the floor sitting in front of his computer for 14 hours a day one window blogging here trying to teach us all about hockey and another window open to gay porn.

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"People like you are a dime a dozen"

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Unlike people who unquestioningly praise everything that management and coaching do, while trying to run all who would disagree out of town as heretics?

Yeah, people like you are real unique and add value to the board.

Dear lord, can you imagine what this place would look like if it was a bunch of you guys?

"Hey aren't the Caps Great?"
"Yeah"
"I agree"
[crickets until the next thread, then lather, rinse, and repeat]

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:11 PM | Report abuse

"You also think the playoff are the only thing that matter."

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now THIS is classic SGM logic.

He made this argument before. That the playoffs don't matter when you decide who the best team in the nhl was. According to SGM, the best teams in the nhl aren't the ones who win a Cup. He also said that if you win 3 games in the 1st round and lose in 7, that's about equivalent to advancing past the first round and losing in 4 in the 2nd round. His point was, its the # of games that you win that matter more than how many rounds you advance.

You should write a book. I'd buy it. SGMisms or something. Hilarious!

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:12 PM | Report abuse

Ted told me that straight to my face one day. He was full of it too.

Posted by: rblatch45

Full of baklava.

I believe it. And I wouldn't doubt if he sends his little minions around to spread his word. Nefarious little bast...

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:15 PM | Report abuse

@capsfan7 and will111...Agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of cstanton1..He (she?) is a prime reason why the First Amendment needs to be rewritten...he (she?) is such a dork!

Posted by: RogerNoVa | February 28, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

All he knows about hockey is what google tells him
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very salient point.

You can learn a LOT from google.

I bet if McPhee just used Google more, he'd do a better job with his trades.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:16 PM | Report abuse

cstanton....congratulations! You win by a landslide as the favorite guest to "Dinner For Schmucks" After today's performance you simply can't be outdone for arrogance, self absorption, self delusion, and as the self appointed hockey expert extraordinaire. And an honorable mention to the other five clowns that follow you around asking stupid questions. However, I'm highly suspicious that many times you are actually posing as most of the people on this blog just to make yourself look even better.

I've heard through one of my sources that Ted Leonsis is considering firing GMGM after wondering why he's paying him all this money when all he needs to do is read your posts.

The one burning question that is on everyone's mind is: what is it that you do for a living where you can spend an entire day on this blog without any interruption. Surely not stuffing dead mice and putting hockey uniforms on them ( you had to see the movie)


Posted by: bondtrader | February 28, 2011 10:17 PM | Report abuse

all-time record for "newbies" today.

and on trading deadline day no less.

Ted must've really shelled out the bucks to plan for a full assault on his detractors.

i love it!

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

"Agree wholeheartedly with your assessment of cstanton1..He (she?) is a prime reason why the First Amendment needs to be rewritten...he (she?) is such a dork!"

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Are you serious? You think "the first amendment needs to be re-written" because people say things that you don't agree with?

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:18 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1 is a total tool. All he knows about hockey is what google tells him.
No way that guy still lives at home. Parents had enough of him when he turned 40. No, he's on his own... Subway and McDonalds wrappers on the floor sitting in front of his computer for 14 hours a day one window blogging here trying to teach us all about hockey and another window open to gay porn.


Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:11 PM

Wow, that was so specific. I never could've come up with something like that without actually having done it. Catch my drift?

Then again, sgm watching gay porn would be less surprising than finding out that Boyd Gordon re-injured his vagina.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@VTDuffman;

If you're gonna make comments like this at least know what your talking about. I don't unquestionable praise everything thats done. I didn't think today was a particularly good day, BUT I don't unquestionable bash everything either. There have been some good moves and some bad.

You and your google boyfriend Cdo*che have NO objectivity at all. What does that bring to these boards?

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse


Boy, this Hessone person sure does sound like Ted, doesn't he? If you aren't a season ticket holder, then you aren't supporting the team he infers.

Ted told me that straight to my face one day. He was full of it too.

Posted by: rblatch45 | February 28, 2011 10:08 PM |

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don't know ted

my point about the season tickets was more in line with, if you don't vote, don't whine about who holds the office.

sorry about the confusion

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 10:20 PM | Report abuse

@VTDuffman;

If you're gonna make comments like this at least know what your talking about. I don't unquestionable praise everything thats done. I didn't think today was a particularly good day, BUT I don't unquestionable bash everything either. There have been some good moves and some bad.

You and your google boyfriend Cdo*che have NO objectivity at all. What does that bring to these boards?

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

I wonder if it would illegal for me to post some of Ted's emails.

You get quite an interesting read on him over 40 or 50 emails. I've let one person read some of them. And she agreed with my assessment. I thought he would be more professional than he is. Turns out if you engage him long enough, he's as petty if not pettier than any of us disgruntled jerkoffs on this blog.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

drivel on dude.

and if you ever try general skating-- careful with that first step, it can be a killer. helmet's always a good idea.

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 10:21 PM | Report abuse

"If you're gonna make comments like this at least know what your talking about. I don't unquestionable praise everything thats done. I didn't think today was a particularly good day, BUT I don't unquestionable bash everything either. There have been some good moves and some bad. "

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You actually said that playoff performance wasn't important.

Beyond that who cares what you think?

Playoff performance is literally the single most important thing. It's literally why you play the game. The goal is the Cup, and the only way to get that is to win playoff games. The only point of the regular season is to make the playoffs, it's literally all that matters.

I'm plenty objective. You can see my summary of today's trade above. I think it's fair. I don't unquestioningly bash anything about the team. The only thing I unquestioningly bash is idiots like you who would say something as stupid as "playoffs aren't important."

Come on with that.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao:

Ahhh isn't that cute, defending you boy. What a guy!

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:24 PM | Report abuse

my point about the season tickets was more in line with, if you don't vote, don't whine about who holds the office.

sorry about the confusion

Posted by: hessone

so you would vote for someone you didn't like just so you could say you voted and then be able to offer up some opinion?

real smart.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:25 PM | Report abuse

Okay back to the real topic, who, of the three guys we have acquired is expected to suit up tomorrow? Has anyone heard?

Posted by: vwjettacup6 | February 28, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

You think "the first amendment needs to be re-written" because people say things that you don't agree with?

Posted by: VTDuffman

He should change his name to Chairman Mao.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:27 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I think everyone wants Semin gone so badly after next season that we are posting his wishful departure as such. The truth is from what they have said of Semin BB, GMGM, and Leonsis love him and would do anything to keep him. Have we all thought of that? We can hope and wish all we want about his short future in DC but like we have painfully witnessed, we the Caps fans do not count for $#!+ when it comes to those matters. The Russian contingency on the roster have more influence on where Semin plays then we think and until they say otherwise, Semin is staying as long as he wants. It is up to Semin if he wants to stay or go, not BB, GMGM, or Leonsis.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 10:28 PM | Report abuse

Good lord it took Katie all night just to write an article about the trades. When is WashPo going to fire her and get a real sports writer in here?

Posted by: lasthe | February 28, 2011 10:29 PM | Report abuse

I feel like we walked onto a production of the 3 Musketeers. Except instead of fending off the Cardinal's guards, we're fending off multiple nimrods who share the same brain.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:30 PM | Report abuse

"my point about the season tickets was more in line with, if you don't vote, don't whine about who holds the office.

sorry about the confusion"

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Isn't choosing *not* to buy tickets a "vote?" You're voting with your dollars. Buying season tickets even though you disagreed with the job management is doing seems to be voting against your interests. The only way management could get the message is by taking that money away from them. If you get season tickets anyway and you disprove, I don't see how you are getting that message across.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:31 PM | Report abuse

check tsn.ca nhl poll. 65% think that Devils won in this trade. People are laughing at dumb McFail

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse


so you would vote for someone you didn't like just so you could say you voted and then be able to offer up some opinion?

real smart.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:25 PM |

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not at all, but you can spin it any way you'd like.

Posted by: hessone | February 28, 2011 10:32 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I think everyone wants Semin gone so badly after next season that we are posting his wishful departure as such. The truth is from what they have said of Semin BB, GMGM, and Leonsis love him and would do anything to keep him.
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not sure i agree with that. I don't think the Caps ownership or coaching staff holds him in extremely high regard. I think they get frustrated with him as well but they view him as a necessary evil. But its the impact on Ovechkin that has saved Semin so far.

If the Caps continue to disappoint, Semin's future will be more tenuous. The only way he stays is if he has a great playoff season and then turns the corner next year on his consistency and helps this team get deeper into the playoffs. If the Caps view him as an invaluable part of their near future and they start inching closer to the Cup, they'll keep him around.

I don't see any of that happening so I think he's gone after next yr.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

It's not illegal to post Ted's emails. But if I had a history of 50 emails to him I'd start worrying about being considered a stalker. Cstanton you just blew your cover. Psychoanalysis no less. You're actually reading his emails to detect a pattern of pettyness? Here's a suggestion: take the last three days of your postings and have them analyzed for patterns and see with you come up with.

Posted by: bondtrader | February 28, 2011 10:34 PM | Report abuse

Ahhh isn't that cute, defending you boy. What a guy!

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 10:24 PM |

Correction: I'm attacking you. You could have been involved in the hockey discussion that led to that post with anybody and I would have gladly chimed in.

Like I said yesterday, I don't come here to make friends but if there is somebody who I philosophically agree with around here, it's cstanton as well as a small handful of others.

The truth is that if I met a lot of the koolaiders who I go at on here in real life and had no knowledge of who they were, we'd probably get along just fine. The internet is a freak show and I'm just one of the many freaks like yourself. There is very little real about this environment. I largely come here to vent about the failures of the Caps and occasioanlly celebrate. Unfortunately, regular season thrills no longer do it for me. I've seen this team come short for over 30 years. I got sucked into the beginning of this latest era but as time goes on, it's painfully apparent that McPhee is in over his head at this point in the rebuild. He did the easy part of tanking, accumulating a boatload of 1st rd picks (more than any other team in the league over a 10 year span), and cashing in on those picks to acquire a core of talent. Any idiot could do that, even you sgm.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

"I think everyone wants Semin gone so badly after next season that we are posting his wishful departure as such."

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I don't "want him gone," really. I just don't think we need him. There's a difference. I think we already have what he brings to the table in droves, and I think that his talents could better help another team who needs that. It would also free up almost $7mil in space for people who *do* bring what we need to be a more complete team.

I like Sasha, I think he seems like a nice enough guy. I think he's fun to watch when he's on, and I've really liked having him on the team. I just think that if the Cup is the goal, he's not part of that equation. It's not personal, it's just business.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:35 PM | Report abuse

not at all, but you can spin it any way you'd like.

Posted by: hessone

actually nimrod #1, that's exactly what you said.

You said if you don't spend money or vote, you have no right to voice an opinion.

So if you don't like either candidate in a voting situation, you don't get a voice unless you vote for at least one of them.

Pretty bizarre logic.

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:37 PM | Report abuse

It's not illegal to post Ted's emails.
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good to know.

"But if I had a history of 50 emails to him I'd start worrying about being considered a stalker."

i'm not worried about that because what you just said makes no sense.

"Cstanton you just blew your cover. Psychoanalysis no less. You're actually reading his emails to detect a pattern of pettyness"

I didn't know I had a cover to blow. I'm not hiding anything. That's why I don't filter what I write. I don't have to carefully examine his emails to detect any pattern. Its fairly obvious, trust me :)

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

"So if you don't like either candidate in a voting situation, you don't get a voice unless you vote for at least one of them."

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The problem is that it's not even a good analogy, because there's not really two choices (or abstain). There's really only one option - to buy tickets, the *other option* is not buying tickets.

It's not like there's two types of Season Tickets, one that declares you approving of management and one that doesn't. The act of buying tickets implies you approve. It's not like voting in a democracy, it's like "voting" in a dictatorship.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:40 PM | Report abuse

Well all, Today was yet another great day for a Caps fan!

yay!

mmmm koolaid gooood! me like!

haha

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:42 PM | Report abuse

There's really only one option - to buy tickets, the *other option* is not buying tickets.

It's not like there's two types of Season Tickets, one that declares you approving of management and one that doesn't. The act of buying tickets implies you approve. It's not like voting in a democracy, it's like "voting" in a dictatorship
---VT--

I guess you didn't get the memo then?

It says um..let me see here...ok here it is

Dear Caps fans,

We need you to support everything we do. Do not question anything. You are not in the game. Please send a check to:

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 10:44 PM | Report abuse

Unfortunately, I think everyone wants Semin gone so badly after next season that we are posting his wishful departure as such. The truth is from what they have said of Semin BB, GMGM, and Leonsis love him and would do anything to keep him. Have we all thought of that? We can hope and wish all we want about his short future in DC but like we have painfully witnessed, we the Caps fans do not count for $#!+ when it comes to those matters. The Russian contingency on the roster have more influence on where Semin plays then we think and until they say otherwise, Semin is staying as long as he wants. It is up to Semin if he wants to stay or go, not BB, GMGM, or Leonsis.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | February 28, 2011 10:28 PM

You are overlooking several key points.

A) The odds of both BB and GMGM being here 2 years from now are getting slimmer by the failure. There is a remote chance that both are gone. That would change a lot of things.

B) For me, as I've stated a number of times, I don't dislike Semin per se. I dislike spending $16 mil on a couple of wings and believe strongly that building up the middle and on the blueline should always be top priority. Ask Bowman or Lemieux or even the well-respected Sergei Fedorov. In a hard cap restricted environment, it's even more important to use limited resources in the areas of greatest importance. Generally speaking, centers are more valuable than wings... "generally speaking" SGM, I'm not making an absolute statement.

C) You're out of your hockey mind if you think "It is up to Semin if he wants to stay or go, not BB, GMGM, or Leonsis."

If that were true, this organization is utterly screwed and totally being mismanaged to a degree that I didn't even think possible.

Even Ovechkin's excessive influence wouldn't prevent McPhee and/or Leonsis from ultimately making a decision that would be for the betterment of the team. And please don't tell me that there is no chance that they ever see there being better alternatives for the use of Semin's cap space, esp. with a cheaper, younger and potentally better option in the system in a player like Kuznetsov, assuming they choose to use him on the wing.

Bottom line: You better believe that Ovechkin is eventually going to have to accept not having Semin around. It's close to inevitable and ABSOLUTELY POSITIVELY is not entirely up to Mr. Semin.

Wow, I thought you were a far too knowledgeable of a poster to post this kind of garbage. Incredible.

D) Semin is a tremendously gifted player. I've never questioned that. We just have far more significant needs and the type of cast around him is not at all conducive for making up for the weaknesses in his game. We are tremendously soft and once again, weak up the middle.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 10:46 PM | Report abuse

I was expecting less, but I am at least satisfied with what happened today. Wideman is certainly an upgrade at the blue line. though maybe not what we need and more of what GMGM likes in his defensemen, but he is certainly an upgrade. He was a whipping boy for Boston all year..until the playoffs, where he was heralded as one of their best players. So, I don't know, we'll see how he does, his offensive skills I hope will help the Caps through the neutral zone, which is one of their bigger problems this year. Arnott is a shell of his former self, but he is an upgrade. Not sure how much he has left in the tank, definitely the bigger gamble between the two moves.

If this was coupled with say..a Zenon Kenopka, Cal Clutterbuck, some kind of gritty bottom-6 guy, I'd say it would be successful.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 10:47 PM | Report abuse

Oh wait..Poti is still on the team.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 10:48 PM | Report abuse

check tsn.ca nhl poll. 65% think that Devils won in this trade. People are laughing at dumb McFail

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 10:32 PM

That actually gives me a little comfort that he's doing something right for once. Usually I see McPhee doing well in those polls.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 10:50 PM | Report abuse

tmac, you clearly follow it closely. but for all this gm bashing... how does anyone here or anywhere outside of caps hockey ops know the first thing about what mcphee has attempted to do over the past couple years, but could not pull off, including 2009?

I'm sure last year everyone was going after calrson and alzner and the goalies... now we say Steckel and a 2nd is overpaying... who knows what the price has been for near-deals over the past couple years, which he decided not to pay? someone reported earlier that he shopped semin this week. who knows what he tried to do over the summer, and who backed off his deals or wanted too much.

if there are specific answers or comments, everyone here would be happy to listen.

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 10:51 PM | Report abuse

check tsn.ca nhl poll. 65% think that Devils won in this trade. People are laughing at dumb McFail

Posted by: beforeitstoolate |

I think Steckel is being over-valued here. The 2nd rounder for Arnott alone tips the trade towards Lou already, but it all depends on what Arnott does for us.

Personally, I would say losing Steckel's cap hit for next year is a plus for us.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

You all are just exhausting to read this evening. What is with all the pugilistic activities? We need a game so the subject can be more hockey oriented and less nonesense. See you all tomorrow. Too much.

Posted by: pkme | February 28, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

"how does anyone here or anywhere outside of caps hockey ops know the first thing about what mcphee has attempted to do over the past couple years, but could not pull off, including 2009?"

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Who cares what GMGM tried and failed at?

All that matters is results. All that matters is delivery. GMGM dropped the ball this off-season in not getting a 2C. That shouldn't even be debatable at this point. That was the team's most pressing need, and he wouldn't or couldn't deliver. Either way, it's a condemnation.

It doesn't matter *why* he's not delivering, if he's not delivering he's not doing his job. Sometimes it really *is* that simple.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:55 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I would say losing Steckel's cap hit for next year is a plus for us"

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The next *two* years.

Posted by: VTDuffman | February 28, 2011 10:58 PM | Report abuse

The next *two* years.

Posted by: VTDuffman |

If only it was Poti...

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 11:03 PM | Report abuse

tmac, you clearly follow it closely. but for all this gm bashing... how does anyone here or anywhere outside of caps hockey ops know the first thing about what mcphee has attempted to do over the past couple years, but could not pull off, including 2009?

I'm sure last year everyone was going after calrson and alzner and the goalies... now we say Steckel and a 2nd is overpaying... who knows what the price has been for near-deals over the past couple years, which he decided not to pay? someone reported earlier that he shopped semin this week. who knows what he tried to do over the summer, and who backed off his deals or wanted too much.

if there are specific answers or comments, everyone here would be happy to listen.

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 10:51 PM

The issue with McPhee isn't just over the past 2 years. When you have 13 years of moves and non-moves to look at (and about half that if you just want to look at since the rebuild), then compare that to the behavior of more successful GMs around the league, even an armchair GM can point out the failures. That isn't hard like it isn't hard to tell when Schultz fails to clear out the crease or when Gordon is going through the motions on a shift. The harder part is being able to say you could do better than McPhee. But that isn't the point. There is no rule that you have to have a better solution to be a critic. Free speech. Simple concept. While I've offered my thoughts on what he could do differently countless times, the easier thing to argue is that we need a new architect at this point. We're regressing and have barely won a single playoff series since the start of the rebuild. We're the first team in NHL history to finish 3 straight seasons losing Game 7s at home. We're, what, the 2nd team to lose to an 8th seed? Something like that. These aren't all coincidences. This season will just be another addition to the sample size. You blame it on the coaches? The players? Who hired the coaches? Who built the roster? Who has the final word on draft picsk (including in the 2nd rd and beyond where we have been lousy beyond lousy)?

Again, I do speak in generalities but I do believe wholeheartedly in those generalities. What I will specifically say is that when something is broke, you need try to fix it or it becomes useless. The questions are determining if it's broke and who broke it. You know how I see those things.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 11:05 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1, You mean Ted doesn't take criticism very well?

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | February 28, 2011 11:07 PM | Report abuse

check tsn.ca nhl poll. 65% think that Devils won in this trade. People are laughing at dumb McFail

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | February 28, 2011 10:32 PM

That's because the people voting don't understand. The Steckel contract was another one of George's "mistakes." Here we had a nice guy, worth about $700K, and George gives him $1.1M for three years. So just like we overpaid on Corvo so that they would take Pothier, we overpay on Arnott so they will take Steckel.

If you haven't been following, McPhee will have to do a careful tightrope with LTIR to have us end the season 17 and a half cents under the cap. Without Steckel moving, the Arnott deal wouldn't have gone through.

I haven't checked, but we might also be at the max of 50 NHL contracts. This is why Orlov is on tryout. If they are at 48 or maybe 49 tomorrow, you might find him signed. Unless his agent is as dumb as Belanger's, he won't let his client play for long under a tryout deal and risk injury with no salary.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | February 28, 2011 11:08 PM | Report abuse

Everybody else has something to say, I guess I can get my 2 cents in. I was hoping the Caps would be able to pull Stastny in trade, I think he would have been a better option than Arnott. Given the situation with Green being out, I think the team had to get Widemann.

One thing I don't understand is why people keep attacking posters like cstanton, tmac and vermont. If you don't like what they have to say, ignore them. It is clear that they are passionate Caps fans and have their opinion as to how the Caps roster should be.

Their opinions are as valid as mine, as none of us is actually a GM in the NHL.

I know I always tend to see things in a more optimistic light and always want for the guys that are on the current roster to be the guys that the team needs them to be. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. Sometimes it takes time for players to develop, sometimes the players never will.

It is what it is and to me, there is no sense in anybody taking someone else's comments on a blog personally.

Anyway, I think the Caps team is actually better than they have been playing recently and that they probably would have started winning more games down the regular season stretch than they have been regardless of the trades made.

And I think that the Caps team is good enough to win 2 series this season. Heck, the Canadiens won 2 series last season against better teams with 2 young goalies, a small, not particularly gritty team and a bit of luck.

Posted by: piratusus | February 28, 2011 11:10 PM | Report abuse

And there should be a draw option on that NJ-WSH poll. It's possible that both teams accomplished a goal or goals with that deal.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 11:11 PM | Report abuse

I thought this post on TSN was funny and accurate:

"AgingGoalie
2 hours ago
You know it's a quiet trade deadline when Arnott for Steckel generates 6 pages of comments"

There was a lot of activity over the last two weeks (during which McPhee did nothing as usual) and there was probably a deal or two that didn't go down today that people expected.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 11:13 PM | Report abuse

I think the Caps team is actually better than they have been playing recently.

Posted by: piratusus | February 28, 2011 11:10 PM

If you are talking about the past 2 games (yes, including the win), I don't think that is even debatable. I actually thought they had their legs against the Rangers but like against ANA, the Rangers convincingly established their forecheck early and we just seemed to unravel over the course of the game. Lost of positional breakdowns and what not but I thought they came out of the gate with more energy than usual, which should be the least expected when you have 2 days off at home. I saw that game as more of an execution breakdown early than simply a lack of effort. NYR still outworked us in areas but I've seen us come out much, much flatter in others games, including the very next one... lol. Wow, were we flat in the 1st and into the 2nd against NYI. That was a tremendously lucky win. Easily could've been down 3 or 4-0 before the timeout.

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 11:18 PM | Report abuse

@VT...I wasn't making a point that regular season is on par with a Stanley Cup win, just your absurd statement that everyone on the blog knows as much about the game as the GM because we have the same amount of cup wins as he does...

Posted by: boomer44 | February 28, 2011 11:20 PM | Report abuse

So that's it, what's done is done. I wanted GMGM shipped out after last post-season, so we will see how the Caps do this year, especially on Wideman, who will be with us for another year, and Arnott. If we don't at least make it to the East Finals and put up a good series in it, I'll be singing the same tune in the off-season. BB will be closely examined as well. Post-season isn't here yet either, we have to squeeze points out of the next 19 games, preferably looking good doing it.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Good lord it took Katie all night just to write an article about the trades. When is WashPo going to fire her and get a real sports writer in here?

Posted by: lasthe | February 28, 2011 10:29 PM

Katie's been in the business for quite some time, and she's actually a very good reporter. A lot of people are sure seem to be hating on Katie this season. So what if she doesn't accurately report what happens? Sure her topics may not be as good as Tarik, but I think she's done a fine job this season. Is it so important that we have to be immediately informed of things that we know have already happened? Have we become so bitter that we can't even be satisfied with our writers? No wonder we were voted as the whiniest fan base. I completely understand complaining about the Caps, I do it all the time, but I think taking your complaints to Post writers is taking it too far.

Posted by: hockeynightincanada | February 28, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

Oh yeah, can't forget about Hannan.

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 11:29 PM | Report abuse

tmac-- fair points. but as I look back over the past decade I only see a small handful of teams (and the gms who built them) who really deserve their praise-- red wings and devils at the top of that. so much randomness goes into who rises otherwise.

I'm not here to extoll gm-- I'm agnostic on him. but I've been following deadlines for years and I just haven't heard what specific moves he should have made at what points, but failed to.

and vtduffman-- you say its easy. price is never a matter? is this in a vacuum? what 2c, whose team was willing to part with him, did mcphee fail to get this year, and what price would he have cost? Arnott is on the margin of filling this need. getting close while being smart with your assets counts for nothing?

was Fedorov a bad move? because Arnott's age and numbers are right with 07-08 Feds

Posted by: capsfan7 | February 28, 2011 11:34 PM | Report abuse

@VTDuffman:

You're an idiot. Who would accuse someone of saying the playoffs don't mean anything? I never said that. You even put it in quotes as if I did. Review the posts... no where on here has that been typed.

Are you so desperate to criticize someone opinion that you're now making things up.

Not only do you not no what you're talking about you don't know what other people talk about.

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 11:35 PM | Report abuse

Good lord it took Katie all night just to write an article about the trades. When is WashPo going to fire her and get a real sports writer in here?

Posted by: lasthe | February 28, 2011 10:29 PM

Katie's been in the business for quite some time, and she's actually a very good reporter. A lot of people are sure seem to be hating on Katie this season. So what if she doesn't accurately report what happens? Sure her topics may not be as good as Tarik, but I think she's done a fine job this season. Is it so important that we have to be immediately informed of things that we know have already happened? Have we become so bitter that we can't even be satisfied with our writers? No wonder we were voted as the whiniest fan base. I completely understand complaining about the Caps, I do it all the time, but I think taking your complaints to Post writers is taking it too far.

Posted by: hockeynightincanada | February 28, 2011 11:26 PM | Report abuse

+1

Posted by: RITdude | February 28, 2011 11:36 PM | Report abuse

Gotta admit that I drink the kool-aid, and it taste good! It's because I love watching the game of hockey, and the Caps are my team. I'm only 19 years old,so I can't comment on the early days of the team and how it was run compared to now. But I'm not going to sit here and defend GMGM and Ted just because they run things. Sure, I think he has made some good moves, but he hasn't won the cup yet and doesn't get the big picture.

Cstanton, VT, and tmac, I understand where they are coming from. They have seen this team get managed into the ground, and see other teams who rebuilt after us soar pass us and win Cups. That is what matters, the cup. Sometimes a change is needed.

For me though, it just comes down to watching and enjoying the game of hockey. I like to voice my opinion on things, and certainly don't agree with everything they do. Not at all! I criticize GMGM and BB all the time.

Let's go win a cup boys! Then everyone will be happy!

Posted by: digster1013 | February 28, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

Hey where's that d-bag cstanton? He's not gone for the night is he? Did he leave to go google more stats or did he create a separate chat so him and VTDuffman and tmac2yao and type dirty things to each other.

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 11:39 PM | Report abuse

@will111 (a.k.a. sgm)

No idea where those other guys are but I'm still here.

What do you want to talk about?

Posted by: tmac2yao | February 28, 2011 11:44 PM | Report abuse

Here here Digster1013. I'm with you all the way and agree with your entire post.

I'm 34 - been following the Caps for a while. I like some moves McPhee has made and I haven't liked some moves McPhee has made. Did these moves today mean a Cup? I think they'll make a run to the East Conf. Finals but they'll bow out. I hope I'm wrong of course.

McPhee's had 13 years of move making but this window in the offseason will be make or break in my opinion for McPhee. As Tmac said - he sat on his hands last year. I felt he should've done more then. If not last year - he HAS to be more active this offseason I believe. If he isn't - Ted's gonna have to make a change.

For now - this the Caps team in front of us. I'll be rooting for them all the way. I'll be in Ft. Lauderdale next Sunday and in Tampa next Monday in person to see the Caps get it on in FLA.

ICE BREAKERS GOAL SHAKERS :)

Posted by: Jonathan6 | February 28, 2011 11:48 PM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao:

Maybe you can answer my question .... Finally someone who wants to talk hockey!

Would you have traded Semin for Chris Neil?

I have no idea who smg is, but call me whatever you want as long as one of you guys actually is willing to talk hockey.

Posted by: will111 | February 28, 2011 11:51 PM | Report abuse

I wonder how BB will utilize Arnott. Will he start him off as 2C and have Semin on the second line? If so, will playing with Arnott somehow make Semin more consistent? I do like the new acquisitions from PP perspective, the Caps have 2 pretty good groups (on paper at least) when Green gets back.

It's going to be an interesting next few weeks.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | February 28, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Wow - what do Bruce Boudreau and ESPN anchor Scott Van Pelt have in common - they both used the word "ouchie." Van Pelt just said it a few minutes ago. What is up with guys in Maryland using the word ouchie. LMAO

Posted by: Jonathan6 | February 28, 2011 11:56 PM | Report abuse

Jonathan6, Hockey players seem to have their own vernacular. Some examples: biscuit (puck), twine (net), coconut (helmet). They also put "ie" at the end of players names, e.g. Brooksie.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 1, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

This question is not for the "goat blooders" as I am pretty sure their answers will be obvious. I was going to post each teams' lines 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 1st pair, 2nd pair, 3rd pair but am too lazy to do so. Look at Bos, PHila, Pitt (with and without Crosby), Rangers, TB and tell me if the Caps lines are better, equal, or worse than each of them. My opinion is that of the teams I mentioned, the Caps are probably better than Pitt without Crosby, possible the Rangers, and maybe TB. I don't think much of their chances against any of the others.

I am not a goat blooder but I did call for BB to be removed as I thought he had lost the team in Dec, my feelings haven't changed either, and I am definitely leaning towards the camp for GMGM to go as well. BTW, I can't be a ST holder as I live way too far away to go to any games.

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | March 1, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

I think we could absolutely use a Neil type but would expect a much greater return for Semin from a team that wants or needs him for any reason, whether that is for his skill set or expiring contract. From a financial perspective, we could afford Neil and another player, so depending on who the other players is, it very well could make a ton of sense.

Aside from that, I think your underlying question is whether it's possible that simply replacing Semin a with a far tougher but far less skilled player could in any way improve the overall performance of the team. The answer is that I don't think it's as impossible as you think, esp. when you consider the historical imbalance in McPhee's roster constructions. Sometimes filling a certain need means more than what you might conclude from just looking at raw stats.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

@ FloridaCapsFan:

I hate to say it but I don't think anything will make Semin more consistent. He is what he is. I think GMGM is just banking on him showing more in the playoffs..... My fear is it doesn't take much for him to turtle. A few hard hits and the guy doesn't get involved.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:04 AM | Report abuse

@steveinsacto

What swamp rock did you crawl out from under. Tmac and CStanton are always discussing details of possible trades.

You're whining about whiners. Win some play off games, grow a pair, kick the dung out of Philly, that will stop the whinning.

Who said you could infest our site with lies ?

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:07 AM | Report abuse

@realoldcapsfan:

I'm not sure what to make of TB... how will guys like stamkos hold up under a more physical game? Its been a while since TB has been in th eplayoffs, so who knows?

The Rangers have been kickin us around all year.

I think more teams scare us then we do them.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:09 AM | Report abuse

@royhobbs

You need to head over to the Nats ot O's site. The Habs won in 78,85, and 92. That's recent enough to shame our boys. Didn't the Habs interrupt the Oilers bid at 4 in a row? That's pretty good company.

The Bruins are always in the mix. Habs have kept them out of the late rounds. Both of these clubs put us to shame. They play play off hockey. We "P" our pants !!

Lastly, Leafs have an awful lot of banners flying. Bet ya' the Leafs hoist before us !!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

See here we go... we're having a nice conversation and then another d-bag disciple of the google lovin cstanton comes back on calling people whiners.

Hey Hunter thinks you're a d-bag too. He told me so.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:14 AM | Report abuse

Caps respond to a "star player" being injured with an avoidable play by cutting their enforcer. lol

Posted by: timKosecki | March 1, 2011 12:16 AM | Report abuse

I think more teams scare us then we do them.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:09 AM

We didn't scare teams when we we run 'n gunned our way to the Pres. Trophy so we certainly don't scare them now after they saw us bow out again in the 1st rd and effectively concede that we needed to change our style of play this season and play more like so many of the teams that we thought we were so much better than in the past.

If you are talking about strictly from a physical presence, you don't need to "think." We definitely don't scare anybody in that sense. Relatively soft kids can concuss one of our players (intentionally or not) and not answer for it.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:16 AM | Report abuse

A few hard hits and the guy doesn't get involved.
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Not sure about this, it seems you're questioning his courage. He may be somewhat fragile. It's just that one night he scores three goals and the next he takes an untimely penalty.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 1, 2011 12:17 AM | Report abuse

@boomer

Your "nicey nancy" Wqashington Capitals just added a guy who knows how to play play off hockey. Now is Arnott gonna' kick some of these lazy goofs in the rear ?

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:17 AM | Report abuse

It's not like a lot of people don't realize it but the MVP of the Lightning is not Stamkos and never was, even early on when he was scoring goals on a nightly basis.

The current MVP of this team is, and has been for a while, none other than little Martin St. Louis.

Brilliant player, heart of a champion, hard worker, great leader/teammate, etc...

I went to college with he and Timmy Thomas. I wish I got them to smoke more weed or something and lose focus on hockey. Heh...

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

The trades are interesting and may improve the team. However, they aren't gonna amount to a hill of beans if the guys on the ice can't/won't play hockey for more than 10 minutes a game.

Posted by: ebolean1 | March 1, 2011 12:20 AM | Report abuse

@will111

Get ready to hoist the bowl. GMGM has built yet another play off "Monster"

Get a clue ! Flyers roast us in 6 !

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

Now is Arnott gonna' kick some of these lazy goofs in the rear ?
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Hopefully he can get them motivated some way.

Posted by: FloridaCapsFan | March 1, 2011 12:21 AM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao:

See now I agree with you.... but of course most of this is common sense.

Let's not forget, no Caps did anything....that also includes Hendricks and Bradley and Erskine. One of your boys wrote that Erskine didn't do anything because he plays for the Caps. if he played for a different team, a tougher team, he would have.

That's insane logic. The team doesn't make the player the player makes the team. I love Erskine, but if he's not going to do his job, he's worse than Semin. At least with Semin you know what your getting.... an inconsistnat soft, but skilled forward.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

@tmac

St. Louis is a "hockey beast". I would give my left stone to will111 to have Marty on this team. Watched the guy for years. Never quits. A class act. A hall of famer !!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:25 AM | Report abuse

@hunter...I hope he does lead the team to play harder, but he is a few years removed from the Arnot I liked to watch in the playoffs...although I always hated j
jersey

Posted by: boomer44 | March 1, 2011 12:29 AM | Report abuse

Boy is Datsyuk fun to watch.

I still laugh at I think it was sgm pulling up stats and saying that Datsyuk is soft.

He and anybody else who think that clearly don't watch enough Datsyuk, or Zetterberg for that matter.

Hits are a telling statistic but grit and physical play goes beyond that stat, not even factoring in the inconsistencies of scorekeepers.

Being tough along the boards, using your body to shield the puck from defenders, actively using your stick, not being afraid to go into dirty areas, etc...

None of those things show up on the stat sheet but they all fall under the category of being gritty, hard-working, physical, etc...

Despite his stature, Datsyuk is a rock on the puck, engages regularly along the boards, uses his stick brilliantly (offensively and defensively), will throw timely and effective hits, etc...

That doesn't even touch on his magical hands. What a hockey player...

What a complete, hard-working player with brilliant skills and hockey IQ to be more specific.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:30 AM | Report abuse

@tadar88

Where did you come from the same methane infested bog as Sactosteve? Cstanton doesn't hate the Caps, he hates the management. This team has been mismanaged since 1974, just crack a book for Pete's sake.

Who are you people, and do you watch the playoffs or drink at the Green Turtle during play off games ? We suck in the play offs. The ENTIRE NHL agrees on that one !

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:31 AM | Report abuse

@ Hunterforcoach:

The great irony is you see me as a hopeful, but if you think the Caps will ever get into a position where they even play Philly, you're the one that's dreaming.

There's nothing worse than a lazy blogger who doesn't read other posts. I think the Caps will get luck if they make it past the first round. There's a good chance the Caps would have to win two rounds before they play Philly... Hah! That is NEVER happening.

So not only do you think the Caps will win two round you also think they will give Philly a competitive 6 game series. For a negative, self proclaimed "dark sider" you sure are dreaming.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:33 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: richmondphil2 | February 28, 2011 10:52 PM | Report abuse

Talking to NJD fans on a hf message board, people can't believe that they got Stecks and 2nd round pick. Only Craps would do it, 2nd round alone would be enough for that old player.

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 12:37 AM | Report abuse

@tmac

We can only dream of having a forward who plays the kinda' "D" Datsyuk plays. The man shuts guys down without taking penalties. Could be the best defensive forward to ever play the game !

Again, would give my left stone to will111 (aka sgm3) for Datsyuk !!!!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:38 AM | Report abuse

One of your boys wrote that Erskine didn't do anything because he plays for the Caps. if he played for a different team, a tougher team, he would have.

That's insane logic. The team doesn't make the player the player makes the team. I love Erskine, but if he's not going to do his job, he's worse than Semin. At least with Semin you know what your getting.... an inconsistnat soft, but skilled forward.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:24 AM

I am going to rank this up there with one of the posts I've most disagreed with during my time on this forum.

It's so wrong, I don't even know where to start. I barely feel like going into it.

To keep it short: the environment created by the GM and coaches has an enormous effect on how a player like Erskine (and all players for that matter) handle themselves in that situation. It comes down to philosophy, accountability, expectations, what you reward and don't reward players for, etc...

You can absolutely neuter or encourage a tough guy based on the environment the player is in.

And you can't do much more to neuter a player like Erskine than have him play for a team like the Capitals.

I'd bet my left nut... no both nuts... that Erskine would absolutely handle himself differently if he were say, playing for the Flyers or the Penguins or other teams with different philosophies and environments about the phsyical side of the game.

Could I guarantee that Erskine would've responded to that particular play differently if he were in a differnet jersey?

No, but it's likely and in general, it's a 100% guarantee, my friend. 100%.

And while Erskine didn't respond enough there, he far and away became the most passionate and physical player on the ice for the remainder of that game. Didn't he get the hard hat? At least they rewarded the right person in that game. Like I said, he could've done more but he was the only player that showed heart and responed in a truly physical way after the incident even though he didn't drop the gloves.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:38 AM | Report abuse

right - and I am sure those NJD fans were intimately knowledgeable about what the two GMs involved had to say

Posted by: ebolean1 | March 1, 2011 12:41 AM | Report abuse

@will

The Caps have the talent to win the Bowl. They don't have the b@lls to win the Bowl.

That's why we want a coaching and GM change !

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:44 AM | Report abuse

I haven't watched the entire game but the Wings have a 6 spot up on the Kings. Inches away from 7 right there. It's hard to put a number like that on the Kings. Richphil will be the first to tell you that.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:44 AM | Report abuse

Posted by: realoldcapsfan | March 1, 2011 12:00 AM | Report abuse

man, you got ballz to say that Rangers are better than us, last two games we lost 0-13 to them and they gave us a heck of play-off series, untill #91 scored a laser beam. I don't even know who I want the caps to play first round po, hopefully not Montreal, that series will end in 4 games, Jacques Martin knows hockey too well and how to beat BB dump and chase hockey

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 12:46 AM | Report abuse

And there's 7-1. Still about 10 min left.

Anything can happen on any night in this league, esp. in this era, but this is most certainly the most extreme of outlier games for the Kings. I've seen a handful of their games this season and in every one that I caught, they were just stifling teams defensively. They can be really frustrating to play against.

I imagine they respond by giving up 1 or none in their next game.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see Steckle gone . He blew the Pens series two years ago. Hate to see a guy that size play like Woopi Goldberg.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

is penner playing for the kings tonight?

Posted by: ebolean1 | March 1, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

Tom in FAULTLINE cali

SARAH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:51 AM | Report abuse

is penner playing for the kings tonight?

Posted by: ebolean1 | March 1, 2011 12:48 AM

Nope.

Posted by: tmac2yao | March 1, 2011 12:54 AM | Report abuse

Glad to see Steckle gone . He blew the Pens series two years ago. Hate to see a guy that size play like Woopi Goldberg.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:48 AM | Report abuse

huh? I thought he scored gwg in game 6?

Posted by: beforeitstoolate | March 1, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

I have been away for about a week now and have caught up on the moves and am going to give my thoughts on them. I have not read any of the previous comments so this may have all been talked about already, but here are my thoughts:

Positives: The Caps got Wideman for very little. They acquired a good PP point man and a good puck moving D man for an ECHL player and a 3rd round pick in a weak draft. I think it was a good, low risk move that will improve the PP and will likely help the transition game. People have to remember that it took trading Nathan Horton to acquire Wideman this summer, so the guy has some talent. Wideman also has a decent amount of playoff experience and performed well in the playoffs last year.

Arnott: He is a veteran with great playoff experience who has scored some huge playoff goals (SC OT GWG). He is known as a leader and has a championship pedigree. He should help out a lot in the locker room. He will also help out on the PP which is needed and he is a big guy.

Is he a top #2 center? No. But he was probably the best center that was traded. Others would say Fisher, and Fisher is good, but Fisher doesn't have that leadership ability that Arnott has.

The Caps only gave up Steckel, who I thought was overpaid, and a 2012 2nd round pick(which is equivalent to a 2011 3rd round pick). So they didn't give up too much.

Sturm: I was most surprised by this. I've always liked Sturm and thought he was a very good player. However, he is returning from a serious injury and may not be the same player. If he can return close to the same player then the Caps got a steal. If not, then the Caps didn't risk too much. I know others will say "hey, this prevented the Caps from acquiring so-and-so", but no big contract player was traded, so that isn't necessarily true. I

The Caps also held on to their top prospects in Kuznetsov, Eakin and Orlov and their #1 pick for this year.

Negatives:

Wideman has a large - for this season and has been known to be a liability defensively. He needs to be able to play solidly defensively. His contract for next year could be an impediment, but that can be sorted out in the offseason. This basically means Poti is out for the year(that makes many people on this board happy)

Arnott: You lose Steckel who, while slow, was great in the faceoff circle and wins a lot of the opening faceoffs on the initial faceoff on the PK which helps out a lot. Steckel won a lot of big defensive zone faceoffs, losing him might cost the Caps a goal or two.

Arnott may be too over the hill and unable to play like a good 2nd line center.

Sturm: Huge injury concern who may not play anywhere near 100% this year.

Overall: The Caps didn't make the huge deal many people wanted, but the Caps defeinitely improved their team without giving up much. Will it be enough? We will see. But I think it will depend on how recovered Sturm is. If he is 90% then the Caps 2nd line is quite threatening.

Posted by: sgm3 | March 1, 2011 1:02 AM | Report abuse

DJ King cleared waivers. So why is he not on the player roster??

Posted by: justthefacts22 | March 1, 2011 1:05 AM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao:

So let me get this straight in the same post you said that the Caps do not reward toughness and after their game against the Rangers they did award toughness. really? How is that possible?

I want to commend you on giving at least a respectful response, that is rare around here from you guys, but it still lack any objectivity. You like Erskine, I do too, but the problem is his lack of reaction to the Mike Green hit runs completely counter to what you guys have been saying for as long as I've been on here, which is over a year. So rather than call him out, you blame management. When does it become the players responsibility to play their game? Erskine's game is toughness.

A GM can get on the ice and play for them, yes he can create a culture of toughness and sticking up for each other, but I think he has done that more than many GMs. Need I remind you he is the only GM that challenged a coach to a fight in the locker room because he thought that coach was getting opposing players to take runs at our boys? McPhee was a tough guy himself. i think he understands the value of toughness. I also think because he was a tough guy he also understands the limitations of only toughness.

Players are evaluated based on past performance and potential future. Erskine is no mystery. He is a kind of above average defensemen that is out there to add some toughness to this team. If he doesn't do that when we need him most, than he's a little above average defenseman period... and they are a dime a dozen.

Are you suggesting GMGM got him for his skill and not his toughness? Of course not. You and I and Erskine and GMGM all know why he's on the team and how he needs to make his living.

You say that Erskine would handle himself differently on a different team? We have him on our team for the same reason any other team would play him. That's his value. To blame his lack of reaction on a GM lacks objectivity to the situation. GM put him on the ice BECAUSE he is a tough kinda above average defensemen, if he chooses not to use it at the right time, that's the fault of the player not the coach.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 1:06 AM | Report abuse

@tmac2yao,
I should have clarified that Semin choosing to stay or go was based on his current contract length, not forever, Really, I read my post and unfortunately it sounds just like you responded but I say again, I meant only during his contract and extension.

Posted by: BernieWolfeFan | March 1, 2011 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Let's not forget, no Caps did anything....that also includes Hendricks and Bradley and Erskine.... I love Erskine, but if he's not going to do his job, he's worse than Semin.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 12:24 AM | Report abuse

Good to see ya back, sgm3!! Spoken like someone who expects Johnny Rock Star to beat up everyone who dares lay the body on one of our golden/chosen poster boys.

Not sure what play you saw, but I saw Stepan lower his shoulder and deliver a hit before absorbing one while he retrieved the puck along the boards. Unfortunately, looked like Green was leading with his face and wasn't prepared as he closed in on the man he only recently crosschecked into the endboards. Boy, you'd think some people have never seen Ovi do the exact same thing countless times. It's just too bad we don't have more forwards who throw their weight around.

How many times have we seen Green slow to get up after taking a hit? Was he smashed into the boards or muscled off the puck? Did the refs nail Stepan for a penalty, or was play still going on in our end? What in the world could've been going through Erskine's mind?

(It might be helpful to remember the following:

-Rock Star going after Koci after he boarded Green in Chi.
-Rock Star fighting Belak for the team after Belak knocked out Brashear and Bradley was left a bloody mess courtesy of Tootoo in Nash.
-Rock Star going after Bfygulin after he ran Neuvy(?) at home
-Rock Star going after Sutton when he boarded Hendricks)

My guess is one of three things raced through Erskine's mind:

a. No foul, Greens getting up, puck is in our zone...play on

b. Someone cheapshoted Green....oh crap, it's Stepan and I don't want to confront him.

c. Someone cheapshoted Green, but fck him and my teammates. Since no one looks out for me, I'm only going to look out for #1

I'll let you decide which is most plausible, sgm. It's just too bad Johnny Rock Star wasn't on the ice for THE TWO MOST GLARING AND DANGEROUS hits that warranted a real response: Ott's run at Majo and Cooke's knee on Ovi. Good thing we had ****55 on the ice when those hits ocurred.

BB MUST GO! (one)

Posted by: vermontcaps | March 1, 2011 1:18 AM | Report abuse

Not the fault of the coach OR the GM....

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 1:22 AM | Report abuse

Tom in FAULTLINE cali

SARAH !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | March 1, 2011 12:51 AM

Even in a used Steckel jersey.

Posted by: tominsocal1 | March 1, 2011 1:32 AM | Report abuse

@vermontcaps:

Wow! So you're in disagreement with tmac2yao, cstanton and VT? Those are your boys!! Consider yourself warned, they don't like anyone disagreeing with them. Expect to get a post telling you that you don't know hockey and you have no idea what you're talking about.

Read tmac2yao post above. He also thinks the hit called for a reaction.

It pains me in this case, but I actually agree with them. Do you think Mcsorley evaluated whether a hit on Gretzky was legal or clean before he defended him? That's the reason to have toughness on the ice. If guys aren't gonna use it what's the point? Clean or not you must account for your actions on the ice. Erskine let it go.

Posted by: will111 | March 1, 2011 1:34 AM | Report abuse

o no, there i go being supercillious again

Posted by: cstanton1 | February 28, 2011 6:15 PM

Please do not stop the nonsense nor refrain from making silly statements that insult people's intelligence, it is very entertaining.

Posted by: hock1 | March 1, 2011 2:53 AM | Report abuse


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Posted by: dinamiles123 | March 1, 2011 6:03 AM | Report abuse


new thread folks

Posted by: hessone | March 1, 2011 7:50 AM | Report abuse

It's not like a lot of people don't realize it but the MVP of the Lightning is not Stamkos and never was, even early on when he was scoring goals on a nightly basis.

The current MVP of this team is, and has been for a while, none other than little Martin St. Louis.

Brilliant player, heart of a champion, hard worker, great leader/teammate, etc...

I went to college with he and Timmy Thomas. I wish I got them to smoke more weed or something and lose focus on hockey. Heh...

Posted by: tmac2yao

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If you had taken Marty's focus away, maybe we would have kept Jagr. That would have been great, eh?

Posted by: timKosecki | March 1, 2011 8:01 AM | Report abuse

"You're an idiot. Who would accuse someone of saying the playoffs don't mean anything? I never said that. You even put it in quotes as if I did. Review the posts... no where on here has that been typed."

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You chastised another poster for "thinking the playoffs are the only thing that matters," you disingenuous tool.

The playoffs *are* the only think that matters. That's the point. That's why you play the game. You play to win the championship, you do that by winning in the playoffs. It is literally *the only thing that matters*.

That's I was mocking you. You have no bloody clue. You're dismissive of the importance of THE PLAYOFFS. Once we get to that point, it doesn't matter the degree to which you're dismissive of them, you've already proven how little your opinion matters.

Also, nice try changing back to sgm and seagulling in one post. That's probably threw everyone off the trail, sgm.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 1, 2011 9:08 AM | Report abuse

Go Islanders...you should've beat the Caps. Redeem yourselves tonight!

Posted by: ariesgirl4 | March 1, 2011 9:58 AM | Report abuse

@johnathan6

I too will be at both games. Tailgating before either?? I keep hoping to get a Capitals contingent on here for the games in Sfla. Anyone interested email me at atcso82@yahoo...

Posted by: OVIHtrick8 | March 1, 2011 10:02 AM | Report abuse

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