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Posted at 11:22 AM ET, 01/17/2011

Mike Green not on the ice for Capitals' practice

By Katie Carrera

The Capitals' practice is underway at KCI and Mike Green is the only player who took part in the 3-1 win over the Senators yesterday afternoon that is not on the ice this morning. Green absorbed a crushing check from Nick Foligno in the final minute of the game behind the Washington net and I'll have an update on his status after the team is off the ice.

Matt Bradley (broken finger) skated on his own prior to the rest of the group while none of the other injured players -- Eric Fehr, Alexander Semin nor Tom Poti -- hit the ice.

Lines at practice this morning are as follows:
Ovechkin-Johansson-Laich
Chimera-Backstrom-Knuble
Hendricks-Perreault-A.Gordon-Beagle
King-Steckel-B.Gordon

More to come.

By Katie Carrera  | January 17, 2011; 11:22 AM ET
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"Matt Bradley (broken finger) skated on his own prior to the rest of the group while none of the other injured players -- Eric Fehr, Alexander Semin nor Tom Poti -- hit the ice. "........So is DJK injured or not??

From last thread:
From a media perspective, just want to give props to Joe B. and Locker....you two are the best!!

That said, a question to those who watched the telecast last night: did you hear Locker say that the "key injury" this year, in his opinion, was Poti. HUH? POTI?? It was almost as if Locker was prepping the fanbase for his inevitable return...spewing propaganda that he's integral to the team's success and therefore justifying Erskine's banishment once Poti is ready to go.

I CAN'T LET THAT HAPPEN ON MY WATCH!!

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 11:28 AM | Report abuse

I think it was for only a shift or two, but I liked when BB put BGordon in the 2nd line with Knuble and Backstrom.

BGordon and Backstrom are probably the two best Caps at cycling the puck, and Knuble is up there also. With all of the teams injuries, maybe using that as a 2nd line and try to get a lot of offensive zone time cycling the puck around and then going to the net.

As good of a player Ovie is, he is not very good at cycling the puck.

This wouldn't be a long term solution or anything, just to get by with all the injuries to the Caps forwards right now.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 17, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

@steve_r

Who wouldn't want Lucic on their team? I'd also love Tkachuk, Gary Roberts, Tocchet, Neely etc...

You're confusing a "true-power" forward with an enforcer, and teams HAVE, CAN, and WILL BE successful with both in the lineup. Assuming we were to land a Lucic-style player, I'd have him skate in place of Knuble/Laich/Fehr/Chimera/ and still put DJK in the lineup.

Is it safe to assume that were we to get a true power forward, you'd still skate the softies and give the power forward 4th line chump minutes? Or would you install the power forward on one of the top lines and move the softies to the 4th?

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 11:45 AM | Report abuse

This wouldn't be a long term solution or anything, just to get by with all the injuries to the Caps forwards right now.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 17, 2011 11:38 AM | Report abuse

My sentiments about DJK exactly

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 11:53 AM | Report abuse

@Steve_R Remember Lucic kicking the crap out of Erskine?

Hockeyfights.com doesn't agree with you. Over 40% of the raters viewed their fight as a draw.

http://www.hockeyfights.com/fights/97810

Posted by: puckman | January 17, 2011 11:54 AM | Report abuse

He was not at practice, and i am surprised Backstrom, Mathieu Perreault, Beagle, we also not there, due to the fact that they were out in Arlington at Spider Kellys until close last night...... or i mean it could have been he was sore, but i am sure the blonde he was with could let us know.

Posted by: washDCfan | January 17, 2011 11:55 AM | Report abuse

@steve_r

Who wouldn't want Lucic on their team?

-----vcaps---

is this a trick question?

Caps chose the mighty francois bouchard several picks before Lucic went.

And there was plenty of hype surrounding Lucic prior to that draft. It wasn't like he was an unknown.

The Caps don't go spending semi high draft picks on players who pick up PIMs. Its just the way it goes. They must either be stupid enough to pigeonhole those players as "goons". Or they simply don't want anyone on their team who racks up PIMs and can't fathom those players ever playing a top 6 role.


Even your boy Erskine plays a slightly different type of game in a Caps jersey then I bet he'd play on a team like Pitt or Phi.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:01 PM | Report abuse

@vermont
@ Cstanton

What this fan base doesn't realize is that we need more guys like Lucic in our line
up to "hoist the ugly".(GMGM doesn't realize it either) Look at the Flyers. They knock on the door every 5 years. Eventually they'll hoist again.

It is a shame that Locker has become a tool, because one can see that Alan May will only tolerate so much of that. May's critique of Semin's lack of second effort after game 7 was blistering and FAIR.

@Cstanton, I forgot about that whole Pens/ Krygier event. How do you remember all of this stuff?

@vermont, Todd was soft, BUT he did crash the slot on that huge Hasak goal and buried the puck. I wish more of our guys spent more time "slot crashing". Puck seems to go in when your in a goalie' face (even Hasak)

Free DJ KING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | January 17, 2011 12:02 PM | Report abuse

@puckman

thanks for that post and link ;)

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 12:04 PM | Report abuse


the beauty of this example is, it doesn't matter WHICH 5 players for either of these 2 teams would be on the ice in this situation. All 5 guys would get involved. Can you say that about the Caps? no way. You'd have to have a very specific set of players on the ice before they swarmed into a line brawl. We're such a well behaved bunch.

Watch the way Dubinsky jumps on Shelley? how many caps players do you think would do that? I can think of 2. Erskine and Hendricks. Some teams play as a TEAM on the ice. Other teams are just good with locker room quotes about team unity.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFZxmmoa1_w&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:07 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton
@hunter

good morning, and what a sight for sore eyes!! No trick question about Looch, Steve_r invoked his name in an earlier discussion (as if I didn't know who he was or what he brings to the table).

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 12:10 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton

concerning your last post, here's something I wrote earlier today that speaks to "team" toughness:

"Skilled players would benefit from the inclusion of someone like DJK in many ways. First, he can get in on the forecheck and play a cycle game. He would go HARD at the opposing team's rugged blueliners. Whether he's wearing down the d or taking one off for 5 minutes and disrupting the pairings, his efforts could buy some time and space later in the game.

Emotionally, I'll let FLDave (where ya been?) speak to the benefits of someone like DJK. Morale, team unity, an "us against them mentality" can be cultivated through 4th line enforcers. Confidence, attitude, and swagger can come from fists just as much as they come from sticks. If nothing else, the actions of an enforcer could force every player on the bench to be mentally in the game and aware of what's going-on (lest they find themselves on the receiving end of a hard, tough play that players like DJK breed).

Someone like yourself will never know how a player like DJK can impact the team favorably because we'll never see it so long as BB's the coach. Countless times I've seen players credit a bout with changing the course of a game or being a defining moment in the season. Unfortunately on the Caps, it seems as though it's every man for themself.

Us? The two biggest bouts of the year (Erskine v. Boulton and Rupp) occurred without so much as a yawn from the coach or players. No one ever picks-up where Hendricks/Erskine/Bradley leaves off, and I never hear them talking about sticking up for one another. (I guess we don't have to stick-up for each other because we never do anything to cause the opposition to get into an uproar....wait, Pitts says they're going to get retribution in early Feb. for the Crosby hit, maybe we'll see the value come to light then)"

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton
@vermont

I think GMGM labels these guys as "goons".
Lucic was an EASY pick. GMGM flat out blew that one. We're not a hockey town, so folks don't spend time looking at JR's tape and games. Lucic was a beast as a kid. His talent was super obvious. GMGM has this owner "fooled" into thinking that he has "hockey knowledge". McPhee was a gutsy player who was fun to watch, but his
ability to pick "play off type" guys is a joke. This is the year. The boys either play in the playoffs, or we see GMGM for what he is. A "former tough guy" who thinks soft players can win 16 while injured.

Boy, I would feel a whole lot better about our playoff chances with Lucic in our line up.

I wish Ted would get over this whole "Catholic boy" guilt thing and forgive himself for the Jagr trade. Ted has served enough Penance with GMGM at the helm. This team should have been in the finals last year.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | January 17, 2011 12:19 PM | Report abuse

@Cstanton, I forgot about that whole Pens/ Krygier event. How do you remember all of this stuff?

------------

it sinks in.

I'm highly unobservant about other stuff which isn't hockey-related though :)

speakin of linebrawls though from back in the day, any of you remember that crazy Devils/Caps playoff series that broke all kinds of PIM records? Schoenfeld was the Devils coach at the time. And I gained a newfound respect for Kirk Muller. Had no idea he was such a tough guy. He totally took apart Greg Smith of the Caps. Also a great scene with Jeff Greenlaw of the Caps grabbing hold of Daneyko and shaking him around trying to get him to go as Craig Wolanin was grabbing him from behind. Not many nhl players ever messed around with Dano. Greenlaw was a real tough fiery kid. Too bad he didn't make it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

Way to stoke the fire Steve_r :)

I miss the fun!

Posted by: CTCapsPhan | January 17, 2011 12:25 PM | Report abuse

BGordon and Backstrom are probably the two best Caps at cycling the puck
---sgm----

Backstrom holds his own. I have no issues with how he plays although I think he can be a little more consistent along the boards because he has the strength to do it.

Gordo is quick to get somewhere but he can't hold onto the puck when a dman engages him. So no, he can't cycle it under duress. Bradley is a much better cycler than is Gordo.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:26 PM | Report abuse

or we see GMGM for what he is. A "former tough guy" who thinks soft players can win.
-------------hunterforcoach----------------

You know what? All these years I thought our GMGM was McPhee of the Canadiens (Mike)....never pieced it together until today. Well, because I never knew the "George McPhee" that played in the league, I now don't feel as though we've got a former "tough guy" leading the way. No wonder we are the way we are.

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 12:29 PM | Report abuse

Greenlaw was a real tough fiery kid. Too bad he didn't make it.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:20 PM | Report abuse

That playoff series, and the one game in NJ specifically, was the only time I remember Greenlaw exhibiting any kind of serious-edge the team said he possessed.

Posted by: vermontcaps | January 17, 2011 12:32 PM | Report abuse

Vermont,

Don't assume bubba. I well know the difference between a power forward and an enforcer. My point, I'd rather have a Lucic type any day who can potentially skate top 6 minutes than an enforcer who gets 5 minutes a night. I'm advocating more team toughness and saying that the Caps would be better served with players who can contribute night in night out, not just on the 4th line. For 5 minutes a night.

DJK ain't the answer. A tough guy that can penalty kill and serve other roles on the botttom 6 would be much, much better than him. Would be very happy with a Konopka, very tough and good on face offs. He brings other things to the table, not just fighting.

Get where I'm coming from?

Posted by: Steve_R | January 17, 2011 12:33 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: puckman | January 17, 2011 12:37 PM | Report abuse

Remember Lucic kicking the crap out of Erskine?

Hockeyfights.com doesn't agree with you. Over 40% of the raters viewed their fight as a draw.

---------------

that was a nothing fight. Agree with the draw call on that one.

The earlier bout between the two of them was more impressive. Erskine did very well in this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOqan4jMAn4

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:38 PM | Report abuse

CT Caps fan,

What you been up to?

I just find it silly that a 5 minute a night pylon is the answer to what ails the Caps. The problems are a wee bit deeper than that.

Posted by: Steve_R | January 17, 2011 12:39 PM | Report abuse

This win didn't pass "the eye ball test" with me. I still stand by what I said win or not, BB's gotta go. Sounds like all Ted cares about is qualifying for the playoffs which can be dangerous. I think we're lucky to get 2 points yesterday and if we continue to play that way we won't get 2 points more nights than not.

Yes there's something to just qualifying for the playoffs but I'm more concerned with the number of players that flat aren't producing. If this were a sales environment there would be written warnings given out by now. Come back next Monday morning meeting with no points and you're fired!

Posted by: pokerface1208 | January 17, 2011 12:40 PM | Report abuse

Gordo is quick to get somewhere but he can't hold onto the puck when a dman engages him. So no, he can't cycle it under duress. Bradley is a much better cycler than is Gordo.

Posted by: cstanton1

Disagree.

BGordon is great at positioning himself so the puck is between him and the boards and people are not able to throw him off. Most of the best cyclers are not necessarily big guys(i.e. many of the players from Sweden, and Crosby). BGordon is able to get on the boards keeping possession of the puck and effectively dish it to the next teammate(exactly what cycling is). BGordon is great at playing the puck perfectly to the next man. When cycling he doesn't hit the puck too hard(i.e. Ovie) nor too soft.

Bradley is a better forechecker than BGordon but he is not better than BGordon at cycling the puck.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 17, 2011 12:43 PM | Report abuse

That playoff series, and the one game in NJ specifically, was the only time I remember Greenlaw exhibiting any kind of serious-edge the team said he possessed.

Posted by: vermontcaps

i remember a game in Chicago where Greenlaw blew up a Chicago player on a hit (maybe Marc Bergevin?) and then dropped the gloves and did well.

the other guy around that time who the Caps spoke highly of with regards to toughness was Grant Jennings. And they were right. Except we never worked him into the equation. He eventually ended up in Pittsburgh and won at least 1 if not 2 Cups with them on the blueline.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:46 PM | Report abuse

vcaps--

here's the only clip I can find on Greenlaw. He does ok here v Alan Kerr. Who was a Bradley type of player but more of an agitator too. Not a great fighter by any stretch though.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_puB5Xzbl0&feature=player_embedded

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

Not only was Lucic talented, he was the Memorial Cup MVP the year Vancouver Giants won the tournament. I think he was 17 at the time. How McPhee passed him we'll never know. Then again, had GM dradted him, it's unlikely he'd be used correctly by this regime.

Posted by: Fletch22 | January 17, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3 @cstanton

Boyd Gordon is not very good at cycling the puck. He was good at it two years ago, but not so much anymore. All the back problems he has had as soon as someone gives him a push in the back he says here take the puck. That is why I made the point the other day he plays like his body is 37 years old rather than 27 years old. The line you mentioned was put together towards the end of the game because they were trying to have 2 guys that can take faceoffs on each line and that is the only reason it was put together.

Posted by: ThePat | January 17, 2011 12:50 PM | Report abuse

My point, I'd rather have a Lucic type any day who can potentially skate top 6 minutes than an enforcer who gets 5 minutes a night. I'm advocating more team toughness and saying that the Caps would be better served with players who can contribute night in night out, not just on the 4th line. For 5 minutes a night.
--steve-r

you need both.

A guy like Lucic is great to have for obvious reasons but you don't want him tangling with guys like Shelley or Boogaard or Godard etc. That's why Shawn Thornton exists. To keep the wolves off Lucic so he can fight when HE wants to, and against whoever he wants to. Lucic is too valuable to be fighting other team's heavies.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:52 PM | Report abuse

Boyd Gordon is not very good at cycling the puck. He was good at it two years ago, but not so much anymore. All the back problems he has had as soon as someone gives him a push in the back he says here take the puck. That is why I made the point the other day he plays like his body is 37 years old rather than 27 years old. The line you mentioned was put together towards the end of the game because they were trying to have 2 guys that can take faceoffs on each line and that is the only reason it was put together.

Posted by: ThePat

Yeah, the faceoffs was the reason the line was put together.

But, when healthy, BGordon is still very good at cycling the puck. He was last year in the playoffs, he was at the beginning of this year before he got hurt, and he was yesterday.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 17, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

@vermont
@cstanton

Dubinsky on Shelly's back is a perfect example of what we are not ! PERFECT !!!

Torts knows how to get a team to the playoffs and win. Laviolette, the same thing. BB knows bird calls, that neither of these "cup hoisting coaches" would even think about doing. Why? They are in the league to manage big, nasty men and hopefully win the prize. Torts is a bad ass, and wants to keep his reputation in tact. LaViolette knows that those ads are not something his troops would respect. Man, why can't we hire a cup winner ?????????????????????

When I see clips like this I really hits home on how BB and GMGM are BUSH LEAGUE.
(Oh, I forgot GMGM was nominated as GM of the year. Never mind !)

Vermont that post was HUGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Free DJK !!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | January 17, 2011 12:55 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

I hear what you're saying, but for the sake of argument, if you have a Lucic type on the second line skating against the other teams 4th line, how is a 4th liner on Lucic's team going to bail him out if a fur ball erupts at that point in time?

Posted by: Steve_R | January 17, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

Caps prospect Sam Carrier having a tete-a-tete with another non-fighter in the Q.

Not a bad showing by either one. At the 37 second mark you see their best impression of Apollo Creed v Balboa as they come together with simultaneous bombs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HH9tCtybFEo&feature=player_embedded#!

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 12:58 PM | Report abuse

@sgm3 @cstanton

Boyd Gordon is not very good at cycling the puck
--thepat--

you're preaching to the choir.

and sgm's example of him last yr v Montreal is misleading. I doubt very much had Gordo been playing against a Flyers, Pens, Hawks D that he'd be able to maintain puck possession while being harassed by the D. Montreal's D with the exception of Ryan O'Byrne didn't put the body on Caps forwards.

Compare that to how an Andrew Ladd is able to forecheck and maintain puck possesion when he has big defensemen hammering away at his back.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 1:03 PM | Report abuse

@fletch
@poker

Lucic did win the MVP.

Paokerface, that win stunk.

Posted by: Hunterforcoach | January 17, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

Put Hendricks on the top line, altho MaJo looked pretty good up there too. Maybe that will be his spot when Eakin and Kuzzy come aboard.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | January 17, 2011 1:04 PM | Report abuse

FYI on Kuznetsov he all but said recently in an interview he won't be coming over here next year. He doesn't think he's ready and he has another year left on his current contract.

Posted by: ThePat | January 17, 2011 1:09 PM | Report abuse

cstanton,

I hear what you're saying, but for the sake of argument, if you have a Lucic type on the second line skating against the other teams 4th line, how is a 4th liner on Lucic's team going to bail him out if a fur ball erupts at that point in time?

Posted by: Steve_R

agreed on Konopka btw.

When you have a team like Boston's, there's usually guys like Mark Stuart, Chara, McQuaid, etc on the ice at the same time as well. No one's going to let Lucic simply get jumped by the likes of a Boogaard. And even if it did happen, Lucic can still handle his own.

Also, a huge brouhaha won't erupt that often in the manner you described anyway. Most teams know that if their 4th line tough guy tries to engage Lucic, they'll receive a msg right back from the Bruins on the next shift. Thornton will send that loud and clear. He'll likely go after one of your top players. The Bruins way of handling business provides a nice deterrent to many other teams who may otherwise take liberties with Lucic to get him off the ice. Remember, its not about 100% prevention. Its about minimizing the liberties that certain other teams may take.

The Bruins are team tough. They almost brought on Brian McGrattan this year but then were comfortable with how Thornton was handling the role. But originally the plan was to play Lucic, Thornton, AND your 5-7 shift per gamer in Brian McGrattan.

I don't even want to mention DJK anymore. Its really about that role--4LTG (4th line tough guy)-- more than it is about a particular player.

George Parros found a way to become a regular player. Think he'd have gotten that chance here? He'd be in DJK's boat while caps fans talked about how useless he was because he wasn't a great skater and how he lacked balance on his skates. All valid criticisms of him when he broke in with LA. But he was "developed". As was Shawn Thornton who was nothing more than an AHL tough guy in Norfolk.

trust me, the Caps have no clue on how to utilize the role. That's why DJk is in the position he's in.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 1:12 PM | Report abuse

The Sedins are two of the best cyclers in the game. Neither are very big or physical. Ulf Dahlen was a great cycler he was not very big.

Cycling is all about positioning, balance and touch when passing the puck to the next cycler. Being good at cycling has never been attributed to size.

In fact BGordon is actually thicker than either Sedin or Dahlen, and BGordon is, by no means, a thick guy.

@cstanton

The Habs also had Gorges and Hal Gill, and eve PK Subban for two games(he hits).

Posted by: sgm3 | January 17, 2011 1:43 PM | Report abuse

Ulf Dahlen was a great cycler he was not very big
---------------

eh? Dahlen was a big body. What are you talking about?

I never said you had to be "BIG" anyway. Just hard to move off the puck if the dman got close enough to you.

Kono was avg sized. He was one of the top cyclers in all of hockey.


"Cycling is all about positioning, balance and touch when passing the puck to the next cycler. Being good at cycling has never been attributed to size."

that's why Ryan Callahan is very good along the boards as well. Nothing to do with size. But he's hard to move off the puck. Gordo is easy to move off the puck. Therein lies the difference.

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 1:46 PM | Report abuse

that's why Ryan Callahan is very good along the boards as well. Nothing to do with size. But he's hard to move off the puck. Gordo is easy to move off the puck. Therein lies the difference.

Posted by: cstanton1

I agree Callahan is a very cycler, but that you highly underrated BGordon and his cycling ability. IMO, he is fantastic with the puck along the boards while cycling.

You don't think he is, and no matter what happens, you will never think so. This topic is done.

Posted by: sgm3 | January 17, 2011 1:54 PM | Report abuse

you just made a statement implying that Ulf Dahlen was a smaller NHL player.

care to revise that? He was 6ft 2 and over 200 lbs. You don't consider that to be good sized?

Posted by: cstanton1 | January 17, 2011 1:57 PM | Report abuse

Kelly Miller & Mike Ridley or Dahlen & Kono together were two of the best combos at cycling, didn't matter who the third guy on the line was

Posted by: boomer44 | January 17, 2011 2:14 PM | Report abuse

IR my ass. How does a guy never miss practice, always skate with the scratches, and never really was presented with an opportunity get injured, for this long? It's cool though, we need guys like Willsie or Perreault to dance around on the ice and do nothing.

Posted by: timKosecki | January 17, 2011 4:22 PM | Report abuse

Cycling shmicycling. It's all about stretching the D nowadays. Yet another reason the Caps don't win.

Posted by: timKosecki | January 17, 2011 5:01 PM | Report abuse

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