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Mike Green wants to be more of a leader this season

Mike Green is also back in town after taking part in the NHL's media tour in New York City. In addition to recapping his summer, Green voiced his intent to take on a leadership role this year as the Capitals prepare to rely on a young group of defensemen -- possibly four under the age of 25 -- when the season starts.

"I feel that I'm ready to do that, matured a bit over the years, and finally it's my role and my turn to step up," Green said. "We've got some young guys now who need to step in and play I need to be there for them. I think it's just expected. I'm going to meet here with [Coach] Bruce [Boudreau] here today or tomorrow and I'm sure that will come up and we'll see what he says."

Somehow I doubt anyone will object to Green, who turns 25 shortly after the regular season opens, taking on extra responsibility.

"I really need to step up and it's about that time," Green said. "We feel that it's our time to win this. It's not just one or two guys that need to be leaders; it's everybody. That's including me."

*The players who won't take part in this afternoon's rookie game -- goalies Braden Holtby and Jared DeMichiel along with defensemen Zach Miskovic, Johann Kroll and Dylan Yeo -- are on the ice now.

*I'll have the Capitals' rookie lineup as we get closer to game time. For those of you who won't make it out to KCI, you can watch the game streaming online here.

By Katie Carrera  |  September 16, 2010; 12:38 PM ET
Categories:  Mike Green  
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Comments

Worry about your game Mike, not the other players. You have a long way to go before you become a leader

Posted by: themightyzep2000 | September 16, 2010 12:47 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Take stupid penalty in game 7, now wants to lead....

Is this the year ??
This stuff is priceless.

Posted by: LarryDavid | September 16, 2010 12:53 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1

Look at my previous posts. At what point did I compare the '09 Caps to the '90 Caps? I didn't. I just pointed out that the '09 Caps had the 3rd most successful playoff run in Caps franchise history(7 wins).

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

haha!

but i like his sentiment. I've been officially off the Green-bashing contingent for a few months now and it feels good. Too many players to bash. I feel more effective when the pool gets narrowed down to just a few.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 12:56 PM | Report abuse

sgm, haven't you in the past made the argument that there was a negligible difference between the 7 wins we got two yrs ago in the playoffs and the 8 wins the '90 team got? fess up.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 12:59 PM | Report abuse

Be at the top of your game WHEN IT COUNTS Mikey. Then you will be ready to lead my boyz up dat hill.

...until then you gotta watch your back. You betta make sure the American Hero doesn't take YOUR JOB!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 16, 2010 1:01 PM | Report abuse

Mr. Take stupid penalty in game 7, now wants to lead....
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to be fair, you don't think the greatest players in the history of the game have taken "stupid" penalties at some inopportune time? Steve Smith of the Oilers shot a puck into his own net to lose a series once. And he was one of the top defensemen of his era.

Mikey's payin closer attn to defense now. For that, I'm appreciative.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:02 PM | Report abuse

wtf - i'll be expecting you to relinquish your rose-colored glasses at the start of the season. Send it to my PO box. Flash will be on the roster.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:04 PM | Report abuse

"Mr. Take stupid penalty in game 7, now wants to lead...."

Crosby took a very stupid penalty in his game 7. Does that mean he is not allowed to lead anymore? The penalty in game 7 is inconsequential of whether Green can or cannot be a leader.

This could just simply be anothe example of all the trite expressions every team says before a season starts. But, if it is sincere, I see no reason not to be anything but pleased by the statement. Don't we want the Caps young players to mature?

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 1:05 PM | Report abuse

as long as Green has to play the role of number one D-man on this team, it's gonna be an uphill battle in the playoffs.

we all want him to be a leader but some guys are just not capable of being a leader. And talking about it won't turn him into a leader either.

it's about time BB and GMGM realized that the best thing they can do for him and the organization is put some pressure OFF him and let him be a good number two or three d-man.

Posted by: joek443 | September 16, 2010 1:06 PM | Report abuse

Don't we want the Caps young players to mature?
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maybe mcphee could make it easier by providing them with strong veteran presences the way the Pens did via Gary Roberts and Bill Guerin. Can it be done without that? sure, Chicago didn't have a ton of veteran leadership. But you lower the odds of it happening and if there's one thing this team seems to desperately need are strong veteran leaders. Too often the young guys are left to their own devices.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:08 PM | Report abuse

Brindamour, Francis, and to an extent Scott Walker and Gary Roberts also played a part in the development of Carolina's young players.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:12 PM | Report abuse

Green is a bum, he's a great offensive D-man, but a bum.

Posted by: LarryDavid | September 16, 2010 1:13 PM | Report abuse

wtf - i'll be expecting you to relinquish your rose-colored glasses at the start of the season. Send it to my PO box. Flash will be on the roster.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:04 PM

First (and most importantly) - You can't prove a thing!

Second - I never said dat! Honest! Dats my story and I stickin' to it.

Third (and actually second in importance) - I have never, nor will ever, WEAR ROSE COLORED GLASSES!!!

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 16, 2010 1:15 PM | Report abuse

"haven't you in the past made the argument that there was a negligible difference between the 7 wins we got two yrs ago in the playoffs and the 8 wins the '90 team got? fess up."

Yes, I don't see the big difference between between being swept in the conference finals or losing in 7 games in the conference semis.

Yes, getting to the conference finals is better as that team won one more game. I do recognize that winning that 8th games means that you won an extra series but it also means you got swept in the next round. As a fan I would obviously prefer my team win as many playoff games as possible, but I would not be that much more pleased with 8 wins instead of 7 for it to be of significant consequence.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 1:17 PM | Report abuse

LarryDavid=troll

Posted by: boomer44 | September 16, 2010 1:18 PM | Report abuse

Mike green can't lead a frat party, Capt America will soon be the number 1 d man and Green knows his days are numbered. Talk is cheap and until he shows something to back his words up I don't care. I don't wanna sit thru another season watching his so called d, what ever. If he wants to be a forward go be a forward and let a true d player on the team. Season hasn't even started and I am sick in my gut of Mike (I gotta make sure my hair looks good) Green.

Posted by: bqts | September 16, 2010 1:32 PM | Report abuse

Yes, getting to the conference finals is better as that team won one more game. I do recognize that winning that 8th games means that you won an extra series but it also means you got swept in the next round. As a fan I would obviously prefer my team win as many playoff games as possible, but I would not be that much more pleased with 8 wins instead of 7 for it to be of significant consequence.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 1:17 PM

so here imo are the variables you are missing when you formed your opinion that the 90's Caps team's performance was equivalent to the Caps team that lost to the Pens.

I'm prefacing this by saying, this is all my opinion, none of this is quantifiable since most hockey analyses imo is NOT quantifiable. And you never WATCHED the 90s Caps team so you have less basis for comparison than do I.

ok, that being said, I put the 90s Caps team above for the following reasons--

1) To me, they were vastly more entertaining to watch (tougher defensive hockey, many more scrums and intense trench battles, very consistent efforts from line to line, shift to shift)

2) They were hamstrung against the Bruins because they lost 2 key members of that team - Dino, and Hatcher. Losing Dino forced a rejuggling of the lines. It would be akin to us losing an Ovechkin because Dino was the spark on that top line. He knew how to manufacture goals and that team desperately needed him.

Do I think that having Hatcher and Dino would've changed the eventual outcome? no, but it would've been at least a 6 game series as opposed to a sweep.

and there is a certain satisfaction gained from wrapping up a series win. To me, its more than just "one extra playoff game victory".

for all those reasons above, i don't consider the Caps playoff performance from 2 yrs ago to be equivalent to what that 89-90 team did.

2)

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:34 PM | Report abuse

The Belanger situation is still a bit confusing, but I'm not as troubled as others by the stuff about the Caps assisting with moving, etc. At least through mid-July, both sides wanted to do some kind of deal together, and into August there was some possibility of getting a deal done. If EB, with negotiations still ongoing, says he wants to move down and could the organization help, what are they supposed to do? Note that they apparently offered to let him come to camp and get in shape even if he wasn't going to end up with the team. It's not crazy for him to move his family to town to live in Washington for a year while he gets his affairs in order, whether here or with another team.

What's really odd are the long pauses in all the negotiations. Rather than wait on the trade that never happened, why didn't EB's agent come back and say he'll come for $1.5 million, or $1.2 million? The market was moving, and he did nothing to help his guy get a deal. To the contrary, he leaked the alleged handshake deal to the press which almost certainly soured his relationship with GMGM.

What I'd like to know is whether either side gave serious thought to signing EB at closer to $1 million before he went to Phoenix. Would that have been too insulting for him? Or maybe GMGM was sick of the agent and didn't want to do a deal at all?

The whole thing's really unfortunate, but the agent sounds like a grade-A moron.

Posted by: athena2 | September 16, 2010 1:36 PM | Report abuse

No, I said the postseason success of the '90 Caps was slight better than that of the '09 Caps.

I'm just talking about postseason success as a different poster earlier said that the current Caps were nothing like previous Caps teams because of their lack of postseason success.

I just pointed out that the '09 Caps team was the 3rd most successful Caps team in the postseason in Caps franchise history.

If the '09 Caps were third, like I said, then that means two Caps teams were AHEAD of them. The '90 Caps and the '98 Caps. As I stated.

This entire discussion was about postseason success. That's it. Why teams lost doesn't matter when looking at success.

If the argument was over which team was better, then that is a different discussion for another day.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 1:41 PM | Report abuse

"Look at my previous posts. At what point did I compare the '09 Caps to the '90 Caps? I didn't. I just pointed out that the '09 Caps had the 3rd most successful playoff run in Caps franchise history(7 wins)."
Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 12:56 PM
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Please! Give it a rest.


Posted by: Wiley_One1 | September 16, 2010 1:42 PM | Report abuse

First (and most importantly) - You can't prove a thing!

---------wtffehr--

we had a verbal agreement. Don't be a reneger. I'll blast your post out to every news media in this country!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:43 PM | Report abuse

If the argument was over which team was better, then that is a different discussion for another day.

Posted by: sgm3 |

the argument really is, which team gave you more fan satisfaction. For me, it was the performance and achievement of the 90s team. And if that team hadn't been ripped apart by the limo incident history could have been very different (you gotta know that was one of the factors that went into Poile and Pollin's decision not to match the offer to Stevens).

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Usually at the end of the season on this board with do a recap of the season. How about we go through and make perdiction on who is going to do what this season>?

Posted by: RichC3 | September 16, 2010 1:46 PM | Report abuse

Mike Green gets traded for been an ass one more time

Posted by: bqts | September 16, 2010 1:48 PM | Report abuse

This is interesting. I wonder if this could have a recurring effect throughout the season. Hindsight is always 20-20 but it may not have been the best decision for him to return so quickly after the surgery.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/news/story?id=5579636

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 1:50 PM | Report abuse

Mikey's payin closer attn to defense now. For that, I'm appreciative.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:02 PM

i'm gonna print this out, pin it up on my wall at work - and every so often i'll look at it and remember:
"... in CIville they say that the cstanton1's small heart grew three sizes that day"

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 16, 2010 1:56 PM | Report abuse

"the argument really is, which team gave you more fan satisfaction. For me, it was the performance and achievement of the 90s team."

Absolutely true and absolutely fine. I personally prefer this team.

"And if that team hadn't been ripped apart by the limo incident history could have been very different (you gotta know that was one of the factors that went into Poile and Pollin's decision not to match the offer to Stevens)."

Also very true. But unfortunately it did happen and those were the consequnces of it.

""Look at my previous posts. At what point did I compare the '09 Caps to the '90 Caps? I didn't. I just pointed out that the '09 Caps had the 3rd most successful playoff run in Caps franchise history(7 wins)."
Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 12:56 PM
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Please! Give it a rest.

Posted by: Wiley_One1

Well..., cstanton1 and I are just discussing a topic. We are not even arguing today. If you don't like the topic of our conversation, then don't read it.


Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 1:58 PM | Report abuse

Anyone see line combos for today's game anywhere?

Posted by: FunkyGloveFacewash | September 16, 2010 1:59 PM | Report abuse

This - MG approaching BB and asking for more responsibility - concerns me. If anything, I think BB asks MG to do too much, i.e., play solid D against the other team's top forwards while simultaneously generating O from the backside.

Some guys - Orr, Lidstrom, Brian Leetch, Fetisov, Keith, probably Markov - can do this, but it's really rare [Coffey was never counted on to be a shutdown guy, nor Gonchar later in his career]. FWIW, I also don't know that MG has the mental makeup to be a shutdown defender - but definitely not if he's also expected to put up 30 goals or whatever.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 16, 2010 2:00 PM | Report abuse

First (and most importantly) - You can't prove a thing!

---------wtffehr--

we had a verbal agreement. Don't be a reneger. I'll blast your post out to every news media in this country!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 1:43 PM

LMAO! YOU WOULDN'T DAAAARE!

That "verbal agreement" (which doesn't exist btw) isn't worth the Blog it was posted on anyway...hypothetically speaking of course.

Posted by: wtf_e_fehr | September 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

I think the presence of Carlson will have a huge impact on Green and it will be positive.

Not only will Carlson be able to take away the pressures and minutes on Green on the ice. From even strength time to PP time.

I also expect Carlson to take away a lot of the off-ice pressure Green has. Carslon is likely to get plenty of media attention allowing Green to just play.

Posted by: sgm3 | September 16, 2010 2:06 PM | Report abuse

i think that too. Having Carlson there will help ease some offensive pressure off Green.

My only reservation is, the Caps generally seem to want to get as much offense as they can out of their young offensive dmen. And frankly, I don't consider Carlson to be an offensive dman. I see him as a two way player who frankly needs to focus more on his defense at this early stage of his career than worry about becoming the next Mike Green.

I'll say this again. Mike Green STARTED his nhl career as a BETTER DEFENSIVE player than he turned into under Boudreau. As Bouds coaxed more offense out of Mike's game, his defensive gm went south. Now he's changing it back under his own direction, not the coach's and not the GM's.

When Green played at Saskatoon, he was a solid two way player the way Carlson is. He wasn't as strong on his skates as Carlson is at the same age but he definitely played a tenacious defensive game. It was the Caps that screwed him up defensively. Period. I'll stand by this till the day I die. And one of my ultimate pet peeves with McPhee and Bouds. They over-focus on the offensive side of things and they do a great disservice to a young player who is capable of being good defensively but is prostituted for his offense. So yeah, I'm callin those 2 out as the pimps that they are.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:19 PM | Report abuse

And I want to be President, Mike!

Ya, leaders blow off the media after being embarrassed for the second straight playoff season.

Mike, you are the best offensive defenseman in the league. Shut your mouth and learn how to play some hard nosed defense in critical situations (like the playoffs) and then, just THEN maybe you can be a leader.

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 16, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

I really hope you're right - I am very optimistic about Carlson, he was terrific in the playoffs and seems to play his best hockey when it matters most [plus he's hated in hockey rinks throughout Canada, always a good sign for an American hockey player].

I know I've been hard on Green in the past, so I'm resolved to go into this season with a clear mind on MG. Playing D ain't easy - especially in the show.

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 16, 2010 2:21 PM | Report abuse

http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=333999

here's a 25yo center who would've been perfect for us! lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:22 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Mike, there's one other place you really need to step up -- your playoff performances. Injuries or not, they've really sucked the past two years. Fine, get the Norris, help the young guys, but this year, no excuses in the playoffs.

Posted by: Exile_in_Philly | September 16, 2010 2:23 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:24 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1 - you have a way with words, I'll give you that. I'm trying to keep a straight face here at work, help a brother out man.

I'd be interested to see how MG would fare with a different d-partner, how about that for some [newfound] diplomacy and tact out of yours truly?

Posted by: Timbo_1 | September 16, 2010 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Hey Mike...when in doubt, blame it on the stick...

Posted by: SoaringCaps | September 16, 2010 2:29 PM | Report abuse

Hey, Mike, there's one other place you really need to step up -- your playoff performances. Injuries or not, they've really sucked the past two years.

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i forget which game it was, i want to say game 1 or game 3 v the Rags. Green lays a monster hit on a Rangers forward. I mean he exploded into this guy and sandwiched him into the boards. Then he went off holding his shoulder. That was the last hit he laid on anyone in the rest of the 2009 playoff season. He'd just started hitting again in the last 10 games of that reg season so I wasn't surprised to see him carry that into the playoffs. Luckily we had Jurcina, Erskine and Mo who picked up the physical pace on defense that yr.

I was hoping he'd come back the next season and keep it up but he didn't. He came back playing a soft style on D. Until he got snubbed by Yzerman which was a total wakeup call and he started playing more energetically and tenaciously on D.

This upcoming yr, if he goes back to playing soft D, I don't care what type of points he puts up again, I'll be all over him.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:30 PM | Report abuse

here's a 25yo center who would've been perfect for us! lol

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:22 PM

the 25 yr old version would have been more productive

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 16, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

tact and diplomacy is for soft-core fans only timbo! lol

i predict a fight between zac rinaldo and trevor bruess today. Hopefully their lines play each other a lot. Both similar players but Rinaldo is unfortunately a little tougher. SDR had no problem handing Bruess. And Rinaldo had no problem handing SDR.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

the 25 yr old version would have been more productive

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 16, 2010 2:33 PM | Report abuse

they always are my friend, they always are.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:36 PM | Report abuse

"But I'm looking fwd to seeing Bruess in Hershey this yr."

Most definitely.
He didn't do fantastic against SDR, but he stood in there and didn't back down. I'd say it was 60/40 SDR.
The kid is super intense too. I saw a couple interviews with him and he's one of the more genuine kids I've heard from. He didn't just give "hockey answers", he elaborated, showed emotion, and gave me the sense that he really does give it his all when he's out there.
I'm sure other players give it their all as well, but what draws a player to the fans besides their play is the human element of that player. Some players have it, and some don't.
Bruess has it and if he makes it- he's going to be a fan favorite one day.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 16, 2010 2:37 PM | Report abuse

Bruess was a kid I liked right off the bat when we signed him. He was talking to a few diff teams and he ended up with us. He was a wiry kid in college but had a reputation for being a Steve Ott type of player. He needs to keep getting stronger if he wants to play that type of game in the nhl.

btw, anyone who dares question my immense hockey knowledge esp with regards to matt hendricks, please see this. Pretty much echoes what I said yesterday and a month ago even when I found out he was still a UFA. Written by a chickie named katie on some site called i rock the red.

"The idea of having Matt Hendricks back in the organization is enough to make my week. When Matt was a Bear, he was coached by Bruce Boudreau and Bob Woods. He was teammates with Tomas Fleischmann, Mike Green, Dave Steckel, Tyler Sloan, and Jeff Schultz. So obviously, Hendricks is familiar with the system, the coaching staff, and quite a few of the players at camp.

One thing I’ve always loved about Hendy is that he’s a tough and gritty center who will do anything for his team. Block a shot, head up a PK, quarter-back a PP, lay a hard hit, fight a goon that’s relentless to his teammates, score a clutch goal when the “scorers” aren’t – that’s what he does. I’ll even go out on a limb and say that that’s why he’s in DC right now.

I'd suggest taking that list of all the “possible camp surprises” you’ve been hearing about, and add Matt Hendricks to it. "

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:44 PM | Report abuse

Bruess has it and if he makes it- he's going to be a fan favorite one day.
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maybe. Remember, players can play very differently in different systems and organizations. An org like Toronto or Philly will encourage (or at least not stifle) a player like Bruess to play along his natural tendencies - intense, emotional, a tad dirty at times, etc. They want that edge from as many players as possible. The Caps are on the other end of the spectrum. They may like the edge that Bruess brings, but they'll also try and rein it in. And if he starts getting yelled at or blamed or benched because he took an elbowing call that led to a goal against, he'll start reining himself in and in the end be less effective.

Another reason I didn't think Matt Cooke would've been a great fit here longterm. He's not really a Caps type of player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:51 PM | Report abuse

He was talking to a few diff teams and he ended up with us.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 2:44 PM

probably because he wants to play with ovi

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 16, 2010 2:55 PM | Report abuse

now, how to stream vid to my work pc without being noticed. oh yeah, i'm the network admin! and my motto is suck up all avail bandwidth whenever possible

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 3:01 PM | Report abuse

if anyone else is having trouble with the stream let me know. For some reason im not connecting to it.

Posted by: ThePat | September 16, 2010 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Won't let me in either but that may be my workplace firewall preventing it.

Posted by: PhilR | September 16, 2010 3:04 PM | Report abuse

mine isnt working either

Posted by: _stevo | September 16, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

Yeah it could be my work, but I can stream from other sites so dont know why this would be different.

Posted by: ThePat | September 16, 2010 3:05 PM | Report abuse

holy krap, all out brawl on the first shift!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Cheef = Colonel, CiC, Doofus Brigade
LarryDavid = LtCol, Doofus Brigade, Troll Battalion
SoaringCaps = Captain, Doofus Brigade, Company G (Green bashers)

Get your rifles men and start marching!

Posted by: tominsocal1 | September 16, 2010 3:06 PM | Report abuse

Ya I'm getting the circling circles (Nylander joke) on the blank screen. Just gonna wait it out for a few minutes and see what comes of it.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 16, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Sounds like it may be a more wide spread problem.

Posted by: PhilR | September 16, 2010 3:07 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 16, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

holy krap, all out brawl on the first shift!

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 3:06 PM

Such a d!ck.

I kid.

Posted by: Fro_ | September 16, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

its not your firewall, the problem is on the other end. The server is either getting hammered (like off 2 beers) or the stream itself is down.

Posted by: cstanton1 | September 16, 2010 3:08 PM | Report abuse

they've underestimated how eager we are for any hockey - finally someone will drop the puck

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | September 16, 2010 3:10 PM | Report abuse

So Katie says she's going to post a line-up....

Where the hell is it?????? Damn Penguin lover!

Posted by: darrylrbaker | September 16, 2010 3:11 PM | Report abuse

@darrylrbaker - i gotta say, that was pretty rude... but i chuckle.

Posted by: guer_j | September 16, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

@darrylrbaker - i gotta say, that was pretty rude... but i chuckled.

Posted by: guer_j | September 16, 2010 3:17 PM | Report abuse

So Katie says she's going to post a line-up....

Where the hell is it?????? Damn Penguin lover!

Posted by: darrylrbaker | September 16, 2010 3:11 PM


Psssst! Over here! From 2 hrs 5 mins BEFORE you slammed Katie. Genius you are...

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/capitalsinsider/lineups/do-not-publish-out-yet.html#comments

Posted by: YouAreABigWhiner | September 16, 2010 3:21 PM | Report abuse

We all know that Chris Pronger is much better defensively than Mike Green, and here are some stats that prove it:

TOI/Game

MG: 25:28 ES - 18:15, SH - 2:09 PP - 5:03
CP: 25:55 ES - 18:31, SH - 3:43 PP - 3:40

Opposition goals while on ice:

MG (75 games): Tot: 81 ES: 55 SH: 19 PP: 7
CP (82 games): Tot: 85 ES: 47 SH: 35 PP: 2

% goals against while on ice vs. total goals against team:

MG: 39%
CP: 38%

Minutes between goals (TOI/#goals)
MG: ES- 24:54:14 SH- 8:30:35 PP: 54:15:26
CP: ES- 32:19:08 SH- 8:43:33 PP: 150:47:30

Notes about the numbers:
1. I am not claiming 100% accuracy. I went through each game report on NHL.com and used the players on ice for each goal scored according to the game report, but I am only human and may have missed one or two here and there.

2. You don't want to see the numbers for Jeff Schultz.

Clearly Pronger is better than Green, as shown by the TOI/goals numbers, but the number of goals against differences are not that significant. I wonder how the numbers compare to when Pronger was 24, but I don't wonder enough to try and find game reports for then.

Posted by: piratusus | September 16, 2010 3:37 PM | Report abuse

@YouAreABigWhiner: Here is what Katie posted:

*I'll have the Capitals' rookie lineup as we get closer to game time. For those of you who won't make it out to KCI, you can watch the game streaming online here.

To me that means before 3:00, So blow your comment somewhere else.

Posted by: darrylrbaker | September 16, 2010 3:56 PM | Report abuse

I love it. Everybody is a critic. I wonder how many on this board can skate. Probably none. All the Johnny come latelys. Most of you did not support this team years ago and probably are not even from DC. Same morons who use to hoot and boo Larry Murphy and Kevin Hatcher . You all are a bunch of know it all jokes. Leave Green alone and be supportive of the team minus maybe BB.

Posted by: pkme | September 16, 2010 4:13 PM | Report abuse

ONe big way to lead your team? Score a goal in the playoffs. Better yet, score goals in the playoffs.

@pkme -I've been a Caps fan since I was 12 years old living in CT and I can skate. Change your number to at least one.

Posted by: jwash4472 | September 16, 2010 6:11 PM | Report abuse

I agree Green did not look great in the playoffs. Most D man take time to develop as it is a harder position to learn than winger. Green is still young and has some things to learn. He will be a better player. Same with Semin. the Caps are better off with both Semin and Green. I also thought Semin played with more effort during the playoff than just about any other Capital. I think BB screwed up the line combinations and overplayed Green. The disaster last spring was bad coaching and the failure of BB to make adjustments. The organization kept telling their players they were going to win The Cup. Overconfidence.

Posted by: pkme | September 16, 2010 8:27 PM | Report abuse

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