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Minor Move

The Caps have reassigned "emergency call-up" Tyler Sloan to Hershey. So that must mean the team is confident defenseman Tom Poti won't have any setbacks with his nagging groin injury.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  March 9, 2009; 3:30 PM ET
 
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I just don't want Poti to pull a Clark and skate when he's not up to it. We've dealt with enough of that this year.

Posted by: CapsKH | March 9, 2009 3:38 PM | Report abuse

@mauree

Yeah, I didn't even read that post's comments. Maybe i'm just speaking for myself, but my sarcasm is only directed towards people like that. I'm all about criticizing our team, just within the constraints of a normal, logical, and calm discussion. I also really only get sarcastic about the deadline whiners, the criticism regarding our sub-par defense and mediocre goal tending has been valid all season, it just comes to shine in our little stint we got going right now.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 3:44 PM

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 3:47 PM | Report abuse

Phil, I'm sorry, but when you use terms such as "logic" and "normal" and "constaints" you alienate 94.3% of the posters here.

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

@Rich

agree 100% *offers a Paulaner* :D

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 3:52 PM | Report abuse

Tarik, Any news on how Pothier did over the weekend?

Posted by: jenk21 | March 9, 2009 3:55 PM | Report abuse

Giving Nylander a no trade was utilizing logic at its finest.

Hiring Bruce Cassidy only to follow it up with Hugs Hanlon was even better.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

I meant Phil lol

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 3:57 PM | Report abuse

^ and Varly.

@leeguru I think "normal" alone does justice.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:01 PM | Report abuse

Caps must not be playing well.....Chief is back

Posted by: RichC3 | March 9, 2009 4:04 PM | Report abuse

Let's talk about Nashville.

they've been doing pretty good recently huh? Also, the 5-10 bottleneck in the East is getting tight.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:05 PM | Report abuse

the comments are officially unreadable, first a bunch of trollswho claim to be caps fans showup, then the Pens fans come over here,and now Cheef is back, I'm done.

Posted by: doncosmic | March 9, 2009 4:06 PM | Report abuse

Tarik,

Any idea if there's any substance to or what the source might be for the Edmonton Journal report (see This 'N' That at the bottom of the page) claiming that:

"The Capitals will likely buy out 36-year-old centre Michael Nylander this summer, which would mean two-thirds of the $8 million US left on the last two years of his deal. That's $5.3 million spread out over four years, or about $1.2 million a season for salary-cap purposes."

I've only seen it there and links to it from other blogs and was curious if any of that could be substantiated...? What does everyone think about such an idea? I, for one, think it might not be so bad of an idea. Stinks to be saddled with a pro-rated cap hit over several years, but the third of the salary not spent plus his roster spot could be used to pay the salary of one of the guys ready to come up from Hershey who might work better in the system be it at forward or on D… e.g., Giroux, Alzner, etc. up here full-time.

Thoughts, anyone?

Posted by: BigRed8 | March 9, 2009 4:07 PM | Report abuse

@BigRed8

It's a possibility. I can assure you that McPhee wont say a word about it to the media though. So you just have to expect to see the headline at some point.

Posted by: SA-Town | March 9, 2009 4:11 PM | Report abuse

What's the big deal ?

Caps are experts at paying salaries after the player departs.
Don't bother holding the bafoon responsible for the no trade clause, just flush the cash, sheep will supply more.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:12 PM | Report abuse

Great find. It would be amazing to have Nylander perform at the level he was once capable of, but maybe it's just not a piece that fits in the Caps puzzle. Then again, if we wait another year and sort of grit it out like this year with our backs against the cap, he'll be off the books completely after that. Who knows to what point the relationship between nyls and Caps mgmt is right now though.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:14 PM | Report abuse

NSH is in a very tight race for the #8 spot. And the fact that they lost in Philly won't help, they'll play desperate. They're also in a 5 games winning streak at home.

I don't know much Rinne, is he good? He's 2.27 GAA and .921 %, not bad huh. Here are the thn notes:

ASSETS: Is extremely big for the goaltending position and covers a lot of net when in the crease. Has put up great numbers at every level.
FLAWS: Can wear down if overworked, so he isn't ideally suited to being a 65-game goalie at the National Hockey League level.

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 4:15 PM | Report abuse

I watched the game on Saturday through AHL Live and Pothier did pretty good. You can tell he has been out for awhile but he did very well considering. No goals, assists or big hits but he played good stay at home defense. Kronwell had a few monster hits but it was against his old team the Marlies. I did not get to watch or listen to Sunday's game but neither of them had any points this weekend. I am anxious to see them both play on Wednesday in Hershey.

Posted by: HBFan | March 9, 2009 4:17 PM | Report abuse

Question: if they buy out his contract, does it mean he won't play anymore, for any team, for two years?

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Pekka Rinne has something like 7 shutouts and he is a rookie.

Kid is real good.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

BigRed8

I had suggested that may be the plan for Nylander. If they can't move him after the season, they may well buy him out. It does free up a roster slot and a bunch of money for cap and budget.

It would be nice if the Caps could waive him, but I doubt if he'd go for that.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 4:19 PM | Report abuse

Question: if they buy out his contract, does it mean he won't play anymore, for any team, for two years?

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 4:18 PM

No he can still sign with other teams. Buying out the contract essentially lets him do that. It's just a cap hit on us and extra gravy for Nyls.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:20 PM | Report abuse

BigRed8,
Why start a discussion about the salary-cap with people who haven't got a clue about it? And it includes me. Of course, you will get a reply from many who think they know what they are talking about it, but the fact is they don't, most if not all teams hire lawyers or contract negotiators because there is a certain madness to that whole thing.
Personally, I just enjoy the game and I let GMGM and BB manage and coach the team - sometimes they drive me nuts but in the end they know more than I do.

As far as Nylander goes, I am a fan of his but I recognize he is getting old and that it appears that he and BB can not be on the same team. I think he is still a great player but on the twilight of his career, and I don't agree with the bum rap that he is receiving from some of the bloggers here.

that is what I think.

Posted by: hock1 | March 9, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

It's one thing to have that happen with Jagrl, another to have it happen with a journeyman like Nylander.

Can't blame leosass for this gaff, nice.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:22 PM | Report abuse

@Cheef

Do you really think anyone wants Nylander anyway? You think the no-trade is the only reason why he is still a Capital?

Posted by: SA-Town | March 9, 2009 4:23 PM | Report abuse

@hock1

It doesn't take an expert to understand; keeping nyls vs. buying him out. Forget about the numbers and all that, understanding the concept of buying out a contract isn't exactly some Platonic form level stuff.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

WWSD: What would sluggo do? That was the turning point of this franchise.

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 4:25 PM | Report abuse

2009/03/06: Predators goaltender Pekka Rinne cruised to his sixth straight victory Thursday night, winning 4-2 over the visiting Blue Jackets. The big freshman stopped 31 shots, outdueling the game's other top rookie goalie, Steve Mason, who made just 19 saves on 23 shots.

2009/03/03: The NHL announced on Tuesday that Nashville Predators goaltender Pekka Rinne has been named Rookie of the Month for February. In 12 appearances, he posted a 1.72 GAA and a 9-2-1 record with two shutouts. The big 26-year-old is currently sitting on a four-game winning streak.

2009/02/28: Pekka Rinne stopped all 30 shots he saw to notch his sixth shutout of the season Saturday, 8-0 over Detroit. The Nashville netminder has won four straight starts, allowing only four goals.

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No he can still sign with other teams. Buying out the contract essentially lets him do that. It's just a cap hit on us and extra gravy for Nyls.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:20 PM

Thanks. At 1M / year... can we afford that?
Depends on Feds, and who will be re-signed. I'm also guessing Mo won't be resigned at that much money? And, I wonder who will get pay increase next year.

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

"Personally, I just enjoy the game and I let GMGM and BB manage and coach the team - sometimes they drive me nuts but in the end they know more than I do."

Cheef needs to read this. You're just a fan Cheef.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

"Do you really think anyone wants Nylander anyway? You think the no-trade is the only reason why he is still a Capital?"

Puleez, try and justify this pathetic scenario somewhere else.
The point is simple, a clause like this is reserved for the elite, not a journeyman.

It was the only way this pathetic gm was able to sign anyone at the time, it's a disgrace and another beautiful example of how stupid he is.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:29 PM | Report abuse

According to either nhlnumbers or nhlscap, Nylander's NMC expires after next year and his salary decreases to 3 million. If the Caps can deal with him for another season, he might be more attractive to teams at that point.

Posted by: koalatek | March 9, 2009 4:30 PM | Report abuse

disgrace!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

@HBFan
Thanks for the update.

Posted by: jenk21 | March 9, 2009 4:31 PM | Report abuse

Travesty

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:33 PM | Report abuse

RE: LOL

List of "elite" players with NTC/NMC:
ryan whitney (real elite defense man...)
todd marchant (lol)
ron hainsey (LOL)
Vyach. Kozlov (elite player right here)
P J Axelsonn (LOL)
Jason Pominville ( the definition of elite)
FRANTISEK KABERLE ( HAHAHAHAHAHAHA)
scott walker (who?)
niclas wallin (who?)
frederik modin (LOL)
J-M Liles (LOL)


and the list goes on..and on....

tons of GMs seem to be making the same mistake gmgm does in offering such an "elite" clause to nobodies.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

GP G A PTS +/- PIM PP SH GW

05/06- 81 23 56 79 31 76 6 0 4
06/07- 79 26 57 83 12 42 14 0 4

Thats why we signed Nylander Cheef, but I'm sure you knew that. Ov needed someone to pass him the puck.

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 4:34 PM | Report abuse

mike grier has a NTC.

quite the opposite of a journeyman right there huh?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

mauree

He could play for another team. Basically he'd become UFA early. We just don't want him. He'd likely never get the kind of contract we had with him.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 4:35 PM | Report abuse

joffrey lupul has a NTC.

LOL.

definition of an elite scorer.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:36 PM | Report abuse

Tell BB, he must not have a clue either.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

redden and roszival; definition of an elite defensive pair, also have NTCs.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to hear Pothier is looking good. Still, even if he is able to come back and play with the Caps this season, that's not going to be the complete answer to our D woes. Sigh.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 4:39 PM | Report abuse

ludeman95

You forgot that last year he was almost a point a game player until he got hurt.

Sounds pretty "elite" to me. More so than some of the other elite players with NTC's.

At the time, it was a reasonable offer. For some reason, he's lost a step, so now Cheef can moan about how stupid GMGM is. 20/20 hindsight, Cheef.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Richmondphil
It maybe true that it doesn't take an expert to understand; keeping nyls vs. buying him out, but it is foolish to think any one of us know the considerations that GMGM has to ponder before deciding to make or not to make a deal. So to me it is an exercise in futility to discuss the issue with bloggers, we are not privy to all the facts.
I think what we probably agree is that he is not fitting on this team. Why? If I had to guess I would say it is something between he and the coaches. I still think he can contribute, but the coach - and I think we have a great coach - feels different.

Posted by: hock1 | March 9, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

Yet, this swede sits around collecting.
Thanks for the list and NOT listing the elite players, how convenient.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:41 PM | Report abuse

You said it was reserved for the elite players only idiot. I have provided you tons of players who aren't even anywhere near elite who have that clause. Are you really this retarded, or pretending at this point?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

suspect!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

So, Cheef. What are you going to do with him? Let him play? That's the sum of your options. Sit him, or play him.

You're the coach. What do you do?

You're the GM. What do you do (and don't say trade him, because it's been tried and can't be done)?

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

misleading!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

Like others have said on here, BB plays a totally different game than GH did. Maybe this is the reason Nyles isnt jelling with the team? I don't know about everyone else but I'd take BB's style of hockey over GH's anyday of the week!

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 4:45 PM | Report abuse

And the point is, based on your inferences, it seems about 20 other Gms have made the same mistake GMGM did in not reserving the clause for the "elite."

Holy hell, the disconnect in logic here is killing me.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

phil

We're dealing with Cheef. There IS no logic.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

Idiot ?

The idiot is the person stuck with millions of dollars and NO Player.

Now, I've refrained from calling you out on this "list" but since you think whatever you post is true, I will tell you that you're wrong.

EVERY one of these Clauses are specific to the player and the deal, not universal.
Understand ? Idiot.

Go try and loophole your way out of something else. Schmuck

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:48 PM | Report abuse

You expect everyone to believe Grier can't get traded at a moments notice ?

Go sell crazy somewhere else.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:51 PM | Report abuse

20 Other GM's are not in being held hostage by the player, only this clown.

Thanks for playing.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:52 PM | Report abuse

Yeah if Grier waves it he can. Next?

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

I don't know why anyone dignifies some of these posts with an answer.

@ludeman95 - I totally agree - who in their right mind *wouldn't* take BB over GH? Maybe some players prefer GH's style, but I think most players also probably prefer winning over losing, and in that regard there's no contest. BB has done an incredible job with this team and I have faith in him to get us out of this slump. I think we're already on our way, though tomorrow might be tough.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 4:53 PM | Report abuse

More observations about the Pens fans:

Kept yelling during the National ANthem. Nothing about the song. Steve R. had to restrain me. I was a bit miffed.

Also, when they honored that Army specialist during the first period (oh, but way, the kid is missing his right arm and right leg. I held the door for him and his girlfriend when they went in the building) EVERYONE in the stadium gave him a standing ovation EXCEPT the Pens fans in my section.

But they are a Championship franchise....

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil,
I think Cheef really is that retarded, always has been.

Posted by: CaliCapsFan | March 9, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

I know NTCs and NMCs are completely different from contract and contract. Thanks for typing common knowledge in an attempt to seem like you are calling me out.

Listen, you said it was reserved only for the elite. I had provided you with tons of players who are not elite. I never expected Grier to not get traded at a moments notice, but thank you for your insightful comment. Now you want to change your argument and add all this, fine, go ahead. But the bottom line, your comment that the clause is reserved only for the elite is wrong. give it up kid. thanks for playing.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:56 PM | Report abuse

Leave it to a guy in the car business to prey on sympathy at the drop of a hat.

The anthem, the disabled, nothing is sacred.

Thanks for advertising you hold doors open, sad day when people need to advertise

What time do you stop selling ?

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Yeah if Grier waves it he can. Next?

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 4:53 PM

lol.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:58 PM | Report abuse

i urban dictionary

i troll: “One who posts a deliberately provocative message to a newsgroup or message board with the intention of causing maximum disruption and argument”

Why do people keep responding to this idiot?

Posted by: Sonyask | March 9, 2009 4:59 PM | Report abuse

You admit there are differences, so I stick with my original comment.

No Trade are reserved for Elite players.

Only the Elite are catered to, the rest are just appeased with a variation of the original.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Hey, us car guys don't have a bad rep for no reason! We will put american flags on German cars and sell them on July 4th to turn a profit!

Stop selling at 9, come by and see me for the deal of the month!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I have been a Caps fan for a very long time but just recently have been following Tarik's Blog. I normally do not comment but can someone please tell me if Cheef is really a Caps fan?

Posted by: jenk21 | March 9, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I'm glad to hear Pothier is looking good. Still, even if he is able to come back and play with the Caps this season, that's not going to be the complete answer to our D woes. Sigh.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 4:39 PM


whered you hear that ? he was on ice for the 3rd pd goals that led to Hershey's collapse yesterday. I didn't get a chance to see the game so who knows if he played any part in that but..

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Cheef.

No player with a "No Trade Clause" can be moved unless the player authorizes it.

If SJS wants to move Greer to, say, LA, and he doesn't want to go there, he has the contractual right to say no.

In which case, you'd say that SJS' GM is an idiot because he agreed to a NTC with a "non-elite" player. Of course, you'd only say that if he wasn't playing well.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 5:02 PM | Report abuse

Quite a few of the players I listed have ones in similar structure to Nylander, but carry on kid, carry on.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

What the hell is a "variation of the original?"

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask: I'm guessing boredom. You're totally right though. It just encourages and perpetuates the nonsense. I wonder if anyone would say any of this stuff if they couldn't hide behind the anonymity of a screen name.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 5:03 PM | Report abuse

Greg S., he means that some NTC can have things to the effect of "I cannot be traded to a different Conference." or "I can only be traded to these 5 teams."

A good example is Ovechkin's, which allows him to choose 10 teams that he does not want to be traded too, starting in 2014.

Still, he is wrong because many of the players I listed have clauses to the effect of Nylander's.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:05 PM | Report abuse

Wrong, terms and conditions are negotiated in advance.
Grier is NOT in control, the GM is.

The same cannot be said here, Nylander is holding ALL the cards.

Trying to save face won't work.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:06 PM | Report abuse

and Grier's clause is one of them.

Grier could be moved because his contract is half of Nylander's and he is actually performing extremely well this year. Not because his NTC is structurally different.

Cheef lame attempt to hold onto his initial claim is valid towards a handful of players who have the NTC, but not nearly all of them.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: someone posted before me in the comments to say that they were at the game and thought Pothier did pretty well. I wasn't there so I don't know how good or bad he looked, but just the fact that he was on the ice doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault, and even if it was, that doesn't tell the story of how well he played the rest of the game.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 5:07 PM | Report abuse

Well, only 1 GM is faced with being held hostage, the other 20 are not.

Losing must be natural

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:08 PM | Report abuse

@jenk21
. . . no; a professional @$$hole

Posted by: Sonyask | March 9, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

joffrey lupul has a NTC.

LOL.

definition of an elite scorer.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 4:36 PM

if thats true i'd still rather have Lupul than Nylander. Lupul isn't fragile and he has youth energy and upside. Neither of which Nyles brings. That was a bad move from the get-go. I know, I've heard the excuses - GM didn't know that Backis would be this good blah blah. Maybe if he'd been more efficient with his drafts this team wouldn't have been so lacking in center prospects. Beech, Sutherby, missing out on Getzlaf? Lets face it. The cupboard in this org was pretty bare for a long time when it came to quality prospects at center. And so McPhee got desperate and grabbed Nyles who had him over a barrel

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

Do you troll on the "other 20" teams blogs too?? How do you know this??

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

@Leeguru

ouch I didn't know that about the soldier. He seemed emotional during the ovation. Our thoughts to him.

BTW I had better experiences with Pens fans yesterday, they seemed a lot nicer than "yours".

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

I like how his argument has shifted, yet he still never admits he was wrong.

It's like doing hockey through the Socratic method with an idiot.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:11 PM | Report abuse

Well, only 1 GM is faced with being held hostage, the other 20 are not.

Losing must be natural

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:08 PM

I thought there were 30 teams in the NHL, each with a GM, not 21. Sounds like Cheef is a few GMs short in his count, not to mention he seems to be a few fries short of a happy meal.

Posted by: BigRed8 | March 9, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

Yeah Mauree, I'm pretty tolerant, but you mess with the Anthem or a wounded soldier and i get a little upset. Guess it's the Vet in me.

BTW, my PENS fan friend would NEVER tolerate that stuff either.

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 5:13 PM | Report abuse

if thats true i'd still rather have Lupul than Nylander. Lupul isn't fragile and he has youth energy and upside. Neither of which Nyles brings. That was a bad move from the get-go. I know, I've heard the excuses - GM didn't know that Backis would be this good blah blah. Maybe if he'd been more efficient with his drafts this team wouldn't have been so lacking in center prospects. Beech, Sutherby, missing out on Getzlaf? Lets face it. The cupboard in this org was pretty bare for a long time when it came to quality prospects at center. And so McPhee got desperate and grabbed Nyles who had him over a barrel

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:10 PM

great argument cstanton.

My question is, what bearing does this have on Cheef's claim that "only elite players have NTC" and/or on my refutation that Lupul is an example of a non-elite player with a form of a NTC?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:14 PM | Report abuse

phil

Sure, if the player has to list the teams he's willing to be traded to at the beginning of each year, then GM could trade the player to any one of the listed teams in that season. If the GM has a deal with a team outside that list, the player can kill the deal. Player would be in control.

It's the same song...

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 5:15 PM | Report abuse

In hockey news, it appears that Guy Carbonneau is done in Montreal and has been fired.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:17 PM | Report abuse

"Lupul is an example of a non-elite player with a 'form' of a NTC?"

Seems like the shifting is evident with the use of the word "form".

Thanks for the math lesson, now try reading the thread genius.

Only 1 GM is bent over, how fitting it's this one

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

Damn!!! How many is it this year now?

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:18 PM | Report abuse

You still haven't addressed the handful of players who have NTC's exactly like Nylanders and who are not elite.

Like Grier.

i can appreciate a good troll, but at least bring something instantiated to the table.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Cheef

Do you troll on the "other 20" teams blogs too?? How do you know this?? Do you sit in on the GM meetings? Or does all your knowledge come from NHL OTF?

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:10 PM

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: someone posted before me in the comments to say that they were at the game and thought Pothier did pretty well. I wasn't there so I don't know how good or bad he looked, but just the fact that he was on the ice doesn't necessarily mean it was his fault, and even if it was, that doesn't tell the story of how well he played the rest of the game.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 5:07 PM


all valid points.

my reservations on Pothier are that he wasn't very good even leading upto his concussion so at the very best, he'll be back up playing near that level, not above it. He was turnover prone under any pressure and therefore not someone I'd care to add to our current lineup.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:21 PM | Report abuse

and you were the one who used NTC generally. Since you were the one making the claim, the burden of clarification falls on your shoulders kid.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:22 PM | Report abuse

great argument cstanton.

My question is, what bearing does this have on Cheef's claim that "only elite players have NTC" and/or on my refutation that Lupul is an example of a non-elite player with a form of a NTC?

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:14 PM

I must admit I'm flabbergasted that Lupul has a NTC. Usually it IS the elite players who can command those clauses. And you're right, Lupul is a non-elite player.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: at this point the only players I actually feel totally comfortable with on D are Alzner and Feds. The rest are varying degrees of undependable. Maybe the thought of Pothier coming back will light a fire under the other guys, who will realize that they might get replaced and step up their game. Wishful thinking perhaps, but a girl can dream...

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

@Sonyask
I agree!

Posted by: jenk21 | March 9, 2009 5:23 PM | Report abuse

"exactly like Nylander"??

You're a liar and you can't make that claim.
Quick, petty searches does nothing to validate you.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:25 PM | Report abuse

wow, Gainey takes over as head coach. They won yesterday, and their season is not so bad... but there was malcontent about him.

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

See?

This is why you don't respond!

Posted by: Sonyask | March 9, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Since you stated "exactly like Nyalnder", then you must be able to back it up ?

Please share the verbage concerning both of their deals.

You stated it, now back it up.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:26 PM | Report abuse

Well, only 1 GM is faced with being held hostage, the other 20 are not.

Losing must be natural

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:08 PM

Wheres your validation??

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:27 PM | Report abuse

Lupul has a variation of the NTC. Not to the extent of Nylander's, but it did justice enough to refute Cheef's claim, at least initial claim.

RE: Pothier. I dont know, i think he would be an upgrade over some of other defense men at the very least. Maybe not so much help in our own zone, but Pothier can at least clear the puck and move it when needed. They are all turnover prone, but at least Pothier can move the puck around.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:28 PM | Report abuse

Nylander being a healthy scratch, trade rumors galore and yet nothing done.

No other news regarding a similar situation in the league, only Nylander sitting around collecting millions while GM is helpless. (hopeless)

Add today's story from Edmonton and there's your validation.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:30 PM | Report abuse

"exactly like Nylander"??

You're a liar and you can't make that claim.
Quick, petty searches does nothing to validate you.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:25 PM

They aren't exactly a like. You are right Cheef. Please forgive me and continue to call me out on issues of petty semantics.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:31 PM | Report abuse

Phil, I am ashamed of you myself. And I'm a car dealer!

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Phil, I am ashamed of you myself. And I'm a car dealer!

Ouch

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:33 PM | Report abuse

Do you honestly think that everything hockey related is reported to the news media??? Hahaha, try again

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Phil, I am ashamed of you myself. And I'm a car dealer!

Ouch

Ouch

Posted by: richmondphil | March 9, 2009 5:35 PM | Report abuse

Obviously, the argument that "only elite" players have NTC's is not correct. While numerous non-elite players may have softer NTC's, they are none the less NTC's. They all limit a GM's ability to move a player to varying degrees. The non-elite player has control over which team he could be traded to (depending upon how the player's SPC was worded).

If he has eastern conference in the SPC, then that's the only place he can be traded WITHOUT getting his authorization to look west.

If the SPC states that the player must provide a list of x teams to which he could be traded every year, the player is in control over where the GM can deal without going back to the player.

Sounds to me like a player with a NTC has a lot of control over the GM - elite or not.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 5:36 PM | Report abuse

"Do you honestly think that everything hockey related is reported to the news media??? Hahaha, try again"

You too stupid to read the comments prior to me ending with the story out of Edmonton ??

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

"Trolls feed on two things: attention and disruption. When you hear the expression “Do not feed the trolls” it means do not engage the trolls in discussion or argument and do not allow the troll to hijack threads. If you feed a troll it will never leave and may bring friends."

Posted by: Sonyask | March 9, 2009 5:38 PM | Report abuse

Sorry if posted already, did you notice the pop-quiz on the hockey show on nhl.com?

That made me wonder: if Green had a girlfriend, would he play better? :D

Posted by: mauree | March 9, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

my opinion:
when someone mentions bruce cassidy in a current conversation about the caps, you know they have no other agenda but to try and discredit the team management vs trying to be objective about whats going on now. much like empty spam containters in cheef's basement, the NHL is littered with bad coaching decisions. of course, no credit for hiring bb.

a NTC for nylander. easy to criticize now, but look at his number playing w/jagr in NYC. pretty good. there was no reason to believe he wouldn't do the same w/ ovie, semin et al. of course, we have no idea how much influence he's had on backstroms development, which has been swift and pleasant. and of course, nylanders NMC is not the issue, it's his salary. if he were making $1.5M/year, he'd be gone. its his salary (when compared to production) that makes him difficult to move. his deal was really a three year deal anyway, so the buyout may come 1 year earlier than expected.

but hey, facts and logical conclusions are one thing. lets talk about what happened 8 years ago.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | March 9, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

here's the problem with Pothier. When he has TIME, he can pass the puck better than guys like Erskine and Juice and Mo. But unfortunately, thats not what defines a good dependable player in this league. A good dependable player must be able to skate back and gather the puck under pressure and then consistently clear or pass the puck out of the zone. What most of our offensive defensemen end up doing however is not being able to handle a forecheck and then they rush a pass or make a weak clearing attempt around the boards that is easily intercepted.

Part of a defenseman's ability to perform the above tasks is defined by his ability to take a hit effectively, shield the puck with his body, and show calmness in the face of a storm. That storm only gets worse in the playoffs. Our "puckmovers" on D with the exception of Poti (sometimes) don't do a good job of this.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

Ok Cheef here you go....

You are Nylander. You play for the 3rd place team in the East. The team you play for is a playoff team. Do you go to a team thats not in the playoffs?

You are the GM of the top 8 teams in both conferences. Why do you take Nylander with his contract and the way he has been playing lately?

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:42 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cheef, glad to see you crawl out from under your rock to get some sun.

Posted by: Steve_R | March 9, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Cheef

Doesn't it take 2 people to agree on a trade? Disregarding the NTC for a minute, you can't "just dump" someone on another team. We can't "just dump" Nylander on, say, Chicago or Vancouver or New York Rangers. That team has to want the player.

Reports are that Nylander was requested to waive his NTC 2 times leading up to the deadline. He agreed to one of them. The deal couldn't be done.

Posted by: Greg S. | March 9, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

Urban Disctionary. Def. # 2
"Troll: One who purposely and deliberately (that purpose usually being self-amusement) starts an argument in a manner which attacks others on a forum without in any way listening to the arguments proposed by his or her peers. He will spark of such an argument via the use of ad hominem attacks (i.e. 'you're nothing but a fanboy' is a popular phrase) with no substance or relevence to back them up as well as straw man arguments, which he uses to simply avoid addressing the essence of the issue."

Posted by: Sonyask | March 9, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

[my opinion:
when someone mentions bruce cassidy in a current conversation about the caps, you know they have no other agenda but to try and discredit the team management vs trying to be objective about whats going on now. much like empty spam containters in cheef's basement, the NHL is littered with bad coaching decisions. of course, no credit for hiring bb.]

correct me if I'm wrong, but wasnt Doug Yingst chiefly responsible for hiring Boudreau ? McPhee just essentially promoted Bruce after Bruce won the Calder Cup. While thats not necessarily a no-brainer move, its not like McPhee plucked Boudreau from the ranks of the unknown. Bruce was a logical choice because he won the Calder, he coached some of McPhee's young prospects, and McPhee was drafting primarily for OFFENSE at the time and Bruce clearly fit his philosophy

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 5:44 PM | Report abuse

I agree. Burden of proof falls on Cheef's shoulders. Denying the truth of the list provided without substantiating his denial bears clarification on his part. But still, trolls are trolls, whether we address them or not. Like a weed in a field of green. Best to pull it out and throw it away than to leave it to fester and destroy things in its wake. I agree, though, to what extent would a troll stand behind their statements if they were facing the people on this blog in person?

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | March 9, 2009 5:45 PM | Report abuse

dcsportsfan1

Too bad you can't grasp accountability.

Demonstrating that you can retain your position/job by FAILING is a terrible thing.
This is not the government.

"If" GM intended to construct a winner and succeeded, then I would not have a beef.

This GM intended on insulating himself for his own job and still does, that's a BUM.

Succeeding by losing is a joke and to give him any credit for BB is misplaced, BB was an accident probably as was GM.

I hated Jagr, but to hire Cassidy to tell the best player in the world what to do was malpractice in other fields.
The reason I bring it up is because, other than what you see now, they won't win a Championship. I guaranty it.

Posted by: Cheef | March 9, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

Urban Disctionary, No. 3
"Troll (Noun): A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned."

Posted by: Sonyask | March 9, 2009 5:48 PM | Report abuse

"Phil, I'm sorry, but when you use terms such as "logic" and "normal" and "constaints" you alienate 94.3% of the posters here.

Posted by: Leeguru | March 9, 2009 3:50 PM"

LMAO! Just to make a small correction though, you alienate 100% of Pennsyltucky fans.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 9, 2009 5:51 PM | Report abuse

Demonstrating that you can retain your position/job by FAILING is a terrible thing.

Weathermen get paid every day to do this. But they did tell you it was sunny out today so you decided you stay in your cave right?

Posted by: ludeman95 | March 9, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

@cstanton1: that "calmness" of which you speak is precisely why I love Alzner. Considering how young he is, he is impressively poised and level-headed out there. Not to mention that Alzner is also exceptionally well-positioned. I look forward to having him back up here. The fact that the most reliable defenseman on our regular roster is arguably a forward who's pushing 40, worries me.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 5:52 PM | Report abuse

CP26-@cstanton1: that "calmness" of which you speak is precisely why I love Alzner.

He has that calmness, but he isn't able to back up that calmness with effectiveness yet. Meaning, while he doesn't get flustered or at least act flustered, he's not able to push forwards off the pucks, clear the crease, or absorb hits without losing the puck. Hopefully that will come in time.

Posted by: cstanton1 | March 9, 2009 6:16 PM | Report abuse

It'll come as he bulks up a bit and gains confidence. Playing at this level full-time will help.

Posted by: capsfan26 | March 9, 2009 6:23 PM | Report abuse

@bigred8 & ALL
""The Capitals will likely buy out 36-year-old centre Michael Nylander this summer, which would mean two-thirds of the $8 million US left on the last two years of his deal. That's $5.3 million spread out over four years, or about $1.2 million a season for salary-cap purposes."

Just a FYI, the facts are a little off here. You can validate through the CBA if you like (I already did) but the rules when "buying out a contract" are the following. You take the remaining amount in salary owed and divide that by 2, so the club is still responsible to pay the player 1/2 of the remaining contract in terms of money then the cap hit is calculated over twice the term left in the contract. So in Nylander's case if we buy him out this summer (he is owed 5.5M is salary next year and 3M in 2010-2011) we will have a cap hit of 1/2 of 8.5M which is 4.25M. Then twice the term and since he has 2yrs left then it'll be spread out over 4 yrs so the cap hit is actually 1.0625M per year. If you take it further and look at it this way, you just opened up a roster spot AND you saved yourself 4.5M in cap space next year and 2M the next year. When you look at it like that, how do you NOT cut him? You can do many things with this money, like sign Semin and Backs to their new deals so we can STAY a consistent contender. Like I said I don't see how you DON'T do this.

Posted by: pokerface1208 | March 9, 2009 6:28 PM | Report abuse

Hey Cheef, How bout them Cowboys or was it Mets or maybe it was Yankees.

Posted by: billd2 | March 9, 2009 6:36 PM | Report abuse

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