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More on Ovechkin's Celebration

Based on what was said about Alex Ovechkin's goal celebration tonight, I'm pretty sure we haven't heard the last of this yet.

You've already read what Ovechkin and Lightning Coach Rick Tocchet had to say about it. And if you were watching on television, you probably heard how the announced crowd of 16,541 felt.

Here's what Tampa Bay goalie Mike McKenna said: "It's not something I've ever seen at the NHL level, I can say that. He's always exiting to watch. He's great for the game, but it's not something I would have done."

Caps Coach Bruce Boudreau wasn't thrilled, either, saying: "I haven't said anything yet. It was his 50th, so maybe he was thinking of something special, I don't know. He's never done that with me that I've seen. I personally don't like it as much."

Teammate Mike Green said he was aware of the preplanned celebration, but he didn't take part.

"He told me was going to do it," Green said. "He wanted me to join in, but there was no way I would join in on that. I just kind of stood back and let him do what he does. I think it's great. Fifty goals ... it's incredible."

On to the rest of the notes:

Not Overly Impressed Early
Boudreau wasn't impressed with the first 40 minutes, which ended tied, 2-2.

"I really think it was such a far cry from the way we played the first two periods against Florida, where we were in their face and not allowing anything," he said. "We were swinging and circling. We want to get that consistency that we were talking about."

No Goal?
On the apparent Eric Fehr goal that was disallowed, Boudreau said it was explained to him like this: "[Referee Greg] Kimmerly blew the whistle when he lost sight of the puck. The puck was definitely in. It had nothing to do with the skate. I don't think it was the right call."

Varlamov Stays Perfect
With 26 saves, including some eye-popping ones early, Simeon Varlamov improved to 3-0-0. His save on Vinny Prospal's rebound attempt when he went to side-to-side was top-notch. But like many young goalies, he's got a long way to go when it comes to rebound control.

"He's got a ways to go to learn how to patrol the net," Boudreau said. "On the rebounds and controlling them, but he has such great athleticism. You can see he's going to be quite a good goalie. He's young."

Huh?
One of Varlamov's best saves came on a shot from teammate Milan Jurcina. Jurcina was breaking up a potential breakaway when he lost his balance. As he went down, he attempted to sweep the puck out of harm's way. Instead, he fired the puck on Varlamov, who had to be sharp.

Laing 'Really Good'
If Quintin Laing sticks around for a couple of weeks (or longer) as Boyd Gordon's replacement, he got off to a strong start tonight. He played 10:19, blocked a shot, put two shots on net and drew a penalty.

"He was really good," Boudreau said. "We've always liked Quintin. He blocked a shot again. He was instrumental in [Matt] Bradley's goal. He's just a professional player. We're glad he cleared waivers."

Pothier 'Solid'
In his second game back, Brian Pothier looked to me like he took the step forward that everyone was hoping for after a rough start in his debut against Atlanta. He skated 18:43 and blocked a couple of shots

"It's a process," Boudreau said. "He was still tentative. He was pretty solid. He took a good hit in the last five minutes there and he competed. He'll be better the next game."

That's it from me. I'll check in from practice tomorrow morning.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  March 20, 2009; 12:09 AM ET
 
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i love Ovie as much as the next guy but have to admit I cringed when he did what he did. Not for the reaction he'd most likely get... but just because it reminded me of a T.O.-type stunt. Obviously pre-planned, it just rubbed me the wrong way.

Posted by: jason595 | March 20, 2009 12:22 AM | Report abuse

I agree. I love the jumping into the glass, it seems spontaneous. This was like T.O. and the Sharpie. It was too much.

Posted by: jhamond1 | March 20, 2009 12:33 AM | Report abuse

I'm fine with it, though not totally crazy about it, but I would have been fine if the entire TB team had run him as well. Seems like Tocchet is the only one with some guts on that team.

Posted by: pivo20 | March 20, 2009 12:42 AM | Report abuse

yeahhhh...i love ovi as much as the next caps fan, but that celebration crossed the line from excited to thoughtless. a little disrespectful...but then again, i'd be lying if i said i didn't laugh when i saw it. i'll chalk it up to excitement; it's not like him and his other celebrations are class all the way

Posted by: jess4caps | March 20, 2009 12:49 AM | Report abuse

Yeah I laughed a bit, but I hope its the last we see of the pre planned celebration.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | March 20, 2009 12:50 AM | Report abuse

it takes away from the team sport element of hockey. i don't watch basketball or football and don't want hockey to be like those sports.

Posted by: am_jim | March 20, 2009 1:05 AM | Report abuse

Choke-vechkin is the Mariah Carey/Celine Dion/Diana Ross of the NHL. What a diva!

If he keeps up this crap, someone's going to do to him what Dale Hunter did to Pierre Turgeon. But wait, I'm guessing most of you bandwagon Caps fans don't even know what that is...

Posted by: puckheaded1 | March 20, 2009 1:06 AM | Report abuse

here's what i want to know: theo told him what to do and green and backis agreed about ovie doing it, so they all thought it was fine to do. how many players wouldn't hold back showing their personalities if they had more guts like ovie? i think there are a lot more players like ovie but are too afraid of any kind of backlash to just act free. (i am talking about just being happy after scoring, not necessarily this exact celebration)

the game has changed and the style has changed, why is it not okay for the players to change?

Posted by: passerby | March 20, 2009 1:08 AM | Report abuse

i dont like it. i never liked it. but who cares? i dont.


cry about it.

he has 50 goals.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 20, 2009 1:14 AM | Report abuse

i will start caring when he gets a penalty for it.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 20, 2009 1:15 AM | Report abuse

I hope people cry about it. He feeds off it. But I think it was a one time thing. The undertones certainly seem to say at least in part it was a little hello to Grapes/others who complain about celebrations. He is who he is, don't ever change it. Not like it was that special of a goal or anything...only the 3rd player in history to have three 50 goal seasons in his first 4 years. Gretzky, Bossy, Ovechkin. That's the list. Yes, #66 didn't bury that one.

Great stuff about Laing. I'd prefer the real Chris Clark but he's a great character and grit guy to have in the meantime.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | March 20, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

The NHL will crack down on it, most likely with an unsportsmanlike conduct penalty and that will be that. Give the guy his kudos, he's unlike any other player in the NHL. Quit whining about it and he won't do it.

Posted by: Digitalman08 | March 20, 2009 1:19 AM | Report abuse

@puckheaded1: Jealousy is just an ugly look on you. Then again, so's everything else on you. The guy is in his early 20's. If you could remember that far back, you'd remember some pretty stupid things you've done. Of course, that's a conservative guesstimate. Remember what was said - "You guys don't want to see it? Stop him from scoring." Still holds true today. Whether it's goal #50 or more. Guess what? He's gonna' keep scoring. I'll start e-mailing in ideas on how to celebrate each of those goals and then I'll make a montage of those celebrations and send it to Cherry and tell him to kiss off. Ha! Go, OVI!

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | March 20, 2009 1:26 AM | Report abuse

LOL I have to give Pensblog credit...obviously they didn't like the Ovie celebration, but they quoted Toc and pointed out "That aside, AO was never indicted in a gambling ring"

Zing.

Posted by: Davethecapsfan | March 20, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

@puckhead1

First, get over yourself. There are many, if not most, here who are of the right age are completely aware of what Hunter did to Turgeon back in the 1993 playoffs.

Second, go back to your Pens board, or whatever hole you and Don Cherry climbed out of. People like you want to make what Ovechkin does/did as something that has never happened before in the NHL. He isn't that original, go watch a highlight of Tiger Williams riding his stick down the ice like a horse pointing at the crowd, Temmu Selanne using his stick like a gun to shoot his glove, which he threw in the air down, Milan Hedjuk shimming and then swimming on the ice. These are just off the top of my head and were all pre-planned celebrations.

As for listening to Rick Tochhet's criticism of anyone, that is laughable. Only in Gary Bettman's league can a guy who got busted for being involved in a gambling ring actually be allowed to coach in the league. And HE wants to criticize Ovechkin. Please.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | March 20, 2009 1:28 AM | Report abuse

Don't even invoke him. All of us are aware of the Hunter/Turgeon incident and all of us love Dale Hunter. If you don't know about it, who cares? last time I checked, the NHL was a public forum.

If anyone did what Hunter did now after the Bertuzzi incident, they will never come back to the NHL.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 20, 2009 1:32 AM | Report abuse

I take the Rangers an approach. "Avery? Who cares? hes an effective pest and he gets the job done."

good thing im not a rangers fan so I can hate Avery with all my passion.

Posted by: richmondphil | March 20, 2009 1:35 AM | Report abuse

I love Ovie and his talent, but he's only doing himself a disservice by pulling his Mariah Carey-like antics. People could just be talking about his 50 goals, but now he makes people talk about his 50 goals and his showboating.

Posted by: puckheaded1 | March 20, 2009 1:37 AM | Report abuse

@ Puck Head - Ahh, calm down man, i know what that is...something like 30 game suspension to start the next season. Caps were out in 6 or 7 games that series.
You recall the game 7 easter day with the Isles? 3 Am loss, you remember the game seven Hunter goal against....HEXXXTTTAAALLLL!! Oh sorry puck head but i remember.

I did not see the celebration but if comparing to TO then that is bad.

Plus, i live in Stlouis now, few years back the baseball cards were playing the mets in the playoffs, all year long the mets second baseman (i think) he kept jumping up and down, show boating, really getting on my nerves. same thing in the playoffs but Yadier Molina top of the 9th sent him and the mets home and the cards to WS against the tigers.

Mets have not been the same since.

point being enough is enough....it is good to have excitement and fun but OV please do not cross the line. You do not need more bulleyes on then you already have.

Posted by: hunter32 | March 20, 2009 1:38 AM | Report abuse

P.S. that suspension was unfair, Huntsie barely touched him. Way too long for that era.

Hunter's repuation (priors) did him in!

Love Dale---Big game guy and simple/humble.

Posted by: hunter32 | March 20, 2009 1:43 AM | Report abuse

OH GOOD GRIEF!!!

I do not care about Ovechkin's 50th goal celebration!

WHY are we making such a humongous deal of this? It's unimportant, and if we weren't all jumping up and down and pointing, it would be forgotten in a matter of days.

Get. Over. It. And. Move. On.

We have a game to play on Saturday, and Carolina's going to be on their toes.

Posted by: irockthered | March 20, 2009 1:51 AM | Report abuse

Just wanted to thank Ovi for puckheaded1 for giving him something to do today. Again, it was such a small part of the game. Bruce will handle it the way he wants to so I'll leave it between Bruce and Ovi on how to deal with this. As for me, I'm going to enjoy the joy and laughter from that moment. Great job, Ovi. =)

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | March 20, 2009 2:03 AM | Report abuse

mariah carey? really? Really? Am I to understand that you can't come up with a better comparision in all the sports world than mariah carey? How about chad johnson, TO, manny rameriez, sammy sosa, nate robinson, agent 0, cristiano ronaldo (international flavor), etc.

That being said, that was weak sauce, no class, and it wasn't even that creative. it certainly wasn't Teemu shooting his glove like a duck.

Posted by: SFcapsfan | March 20, 2009 4:37 AM | Report abuse

I do not mind the other stuff, but this was preplanned and in bad taste. Love the way he plays but I do not love that. Ricky T was right, if his team had any balls they would not have let that go. Ovie, no more preplanned stuff in games. The all star game is one thing, a real NHL game is another. Heck, if I was on the other team I would have been taking runs at him for the rest of the night ;)

Posted by: overhead | March 20, 2009 5:36 AM | Report abuse

Someone close to OV needs to talk to him; first was Eastern Motors and now a classless celebration, he is going the wrong way and he needs to be set straight.
I love OV as a player and he seems to be a nice guy, but that does not excuse his bad behavior.
I hope the NHL acts fast on that type of celebration, last think hockey needs is a bunch witless players acting like morons.

Posted by: hock1 | March 20, 2009 5:48 AM | Report abuse

Its not his fault his stick was so hot!!!

Posted by: carsonspence | March 20, 2009 8:25 AM | Report abuse

@EVERYONE - Just ignore puckhead. If there's one thing I hate it's truly stupid people and I have to bite back many a retort to his idiotic ramblings. Maybe if we ignore him he/she/it will puck off.

Posted by: ds_kelly | March 20, 2009 8:38 AM | Report abuse

MEMO TO OTHER TEAMS:

If you don't like Ovechkin's Celebrations?

Stop him from scoring.

It's as simple as that.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 20, 2009 8:48 AM | Report abuse

It was just a one time thing. No big deal. He was marking the occasion being himeself, he is Russian after all and perhaps it was a cultural thing.

Posted by: ejohnsto | March 20, 2009 8:49 AM | Report abuse

The celebration, I did not like it. What I dislike even more are the dolts saying "Someone's going to take his head off" or "Someone's going to cut him in half". Wake up, EVERY game the opponents intend to do just that, it's hockey! What they quickly find out is that Ovechkin is not Wayne Gretzky. They spend more time keeping their head up because he is trying to cut them in half and take their heads off...

Posted by: FLDave | March 20, 2009 8:54 AM | Report abuse

Are you guys kidding me. Now everybody is Don Cherry.
Have any of you seen any celebrations from other players before?
Ex: Sliding down the ice, pushups,using your stick as a gun etc.

Posted by: bajgirl | March 20, 2009 9:06 AM | Report abuse

I'm all for clever, spontaneous celebrations, but this was neither. Ovi is better than that silly Marcel Marceau on ice mime display. I'd love to see him raise his celebrations to a level that approximates his goal scoroing talent, but spare us the goofy, rehearsed stuff.

Posted by: jetaimelescaps | March 20, 2009 9:07 AM | Report abuse

OV needed to be told that what is funny between players in a locker room does not always get perceived the way it is intended. Reminds me of high school senior pranks. On the other hand, nobody will ever convince me OV is selfish or malicious. He just needs to grow up a bit. It is worth driving up 95 on a regular basis just to watch him play. How he manages to score goals with the attention he gets on the ice truly is amazing.

Posted by: Richmondcapsfan | March 20, 2009 9:11 AM | Report abuse

I didn't care for the pre-planned celebration because I'm not a celebration guy in any sport. But, that doesn't mean it's wrong - it's a personality thing and it's different strokes for different folks. What I find more interesting about the debate is the idea that it's some type of heinous behavior that deserves retaliation or anything else. If someone does that in your house, get you head up and fight on in the game - the best way to shut it down is to either win or not let him score. The fact that people find it problematic, yet are willing to publicize it, is counterintuitive.

It was Ovi's 50th goal, which is a big deal...let it go.

Posted by: saintex | March 20, 2009 9:13 AM | Report abuse

Tocchets just mad because he bet the bolts. Tocchet = loser.

Posted by: rockbroker | March 20, 2009 9:18 AM | Report abuse

Continued:
Since Cherry started on Ovi now everyone's a critic. I enjoy seeing these guys show emotion with their celebrations.

Now Ovi can't be Ovi without someone on his case. He can't jump on the glass, he can't celebrate another milestone, but it's ok that others can do it.

Every team in this league would love to have Ovi on their team, and I applaud Hartnel for being truthful about it.

As much as I love hockey and the Caps, eveything is getting way to PC base(albeit canadian). Maybe Ovi should emulate the Russians of old very stoic and kick the snot out of people. Or maybe he should just say to hell with this and go back to Russia where he will be appreciated for who he is.

He's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't in this league.

Posted by: bajgirl | March 20, 2009 9:26 AM | Report abuse

This is my first comment post but I couldn't help myself here. I think 99% of people who grew up playing the sport cringed or will cringe when they see this. It's just something that comes from inside when you've grown up in the culture of the sport. It was like slow motion when I saw it happen last night with me yelling Nooooo at the TV. I've always loved AOs emotion - that's what makes him special. But showing up your opponent with premeditated celebrations has never been a part of hockey and it never will be. Just look at Green's reaction - it was a verbal cringe without outwardly criticizing his friend and teammate. Now, the other half of this is that if you didn't grow up in the culture and you're a fan, I think it's easier to look at it and say whatever, it's AO, that's the way he is. I'm fine with that too. Hockey doesn't belong to any single person or idea. But I'm pretty sure he'll look back on that someday and say it was stupid. He lost a lot of respect from his peers last night and it will take him a good while to get it back.

Posted by: tanarpeti | March 20, 2009 9:31 AM | Report abuse

Granted, Ovi's antics were a bit over the top, IMHO, but showmanship in the NHL isn't exactly new, particularly with goalies. That extra flair with the glove after making a nifty save to show the world that they've got the puck, for example. Or those old enough to remember Hextall clanging his stick off the posts before the puck dropped. If that didn't call attention to one player on the ice, I don't know what would.

Posted by: geauxcaps | March 20, 2009 9:40 AM | Report abuse

"But showing up your opponent with premeditated celebrations has never been a part of hockey and it never will be."

Why is everyone pluralizing this? "Celebrations" It was one - one celebration. One premeditated celebration.

The T.O. comparisons don't hold up because he was doing that for EVERY TD.

OV did this on the goal where he became the *first* player to score 50 goals three times in *franchise history*. Are we already numb to this guy and what he's doing for this team? First Ever.

It's a big deal, he's making history here. It's OK that he dropped his stick for a couple seconds - everyone needs to get a grip.

Posted by: VTDuffman | March 20, 2009 9:44 AM | Report abuse

tanarpeti:

I love your comments and understand where you are coming from. Here is my view on this.

From the time Ovi came into the league he's been doing celebration that were critized from Day 1, even though they were explained as to what the celebrations mean. I do not think Ovi was trying to show any team up. I honestly think he was just celebrating another milestone. Other players who are close to a milestone or record think of ways to celebrate when these things are achieved.

My thing is that Ovi will be stiffled so much that the Capitals will not get the best of him because he will always be concerned about how to celebrate to please everyone, while still trying to maintain who he is, Alex Ovechkin.

Posted by: bajgirl | March 20, 2009 9:49 AM | Report abuse

You know it's OK to criticize TO (er, AO) for a dumb move and still like and respect him as a player. The fact that you desperately, blindly defend and idol worship Ovie prevents you from seeing that.

Posted by: puckheaded1 | March 20, 2009 10:09 AM | Report abuse

Thanks for saying it Duffman. People need to get a grip and stop taking things so seriously. Ovie doesn't and he is genuinely excited and happy about EVERY goal he AND his teammates score. This one happened to be a little more special than most and the guy is proud of his accomplishment. Let it go!

Posted by: AmyS1 | March 20, 2009 10:23 AM | Report abuse

So have some fun. These are entertanment dollars we are spending. If you don't like it, don't let him score. Lots of luck with that Tochcet. The NFL is out of line also.

Posted by: Hank11 | March 20, 2009 10:27 AM | Report abuse

...instead we should all act like the robotic Canadian archetype, perfectly typecast in the Stall brothers' mother in that NHL TV commercial. When asked by Carrie Milbank about having 4 boys in the NHL (in my book, a truly amazing accomplishment), she responds, "Oh yeah," exuding the enthusiasm of laconic schizophrenic on thorazene. Pure excitement...

Posted by: rok_d_rEd | March 20, 2009 10:28 AM | Report abuse

A message for Ovechkin from one of his biggest fans:

эта ерунда не надо!

Posted by: heathj82 | March 20, 2009 10:36 AM | Report abuse

Has anyone read what Ovi said. If not here it is:

Ovechkin said goalie Jose Theodore helped him plan the stunt. Hockey pundit Don Cherry has criticized Ovechkin for his celebrations, and this was a new level.

"Oh yeah, [Cherry] is going to be [ticked] off for sure," Ovechkin said. "I love it - love it. I can't wait until he say something about it."

Posted by: bajgirl | March 20, 2009 10:59 AM | Report abuse

@puckedheaded1 (er, bitter party of one)

No one is blindly defending or idol worshiping AO. Sorry you seem to be having a problem accepting the fifteen second celebration. May be your therapist could help you work through your feelings of inadequacy, inability to let things go and inability to put things in perspective.

Posted by: mdterpsgrad | March 20, 2009 11:38 AM | Report abuse

For all those wanting to compare AO to TO, you are truly showing your ignorance of sports. Thank you.

Please point out all of those pre-planned celebrations by TO that are so offensive? The pre-planned celebration is more of a Chad Johnson thing, not a TO thing. TO is a cancer in the locker room and destroys teams from within. Seems to me AO is the anti-TO. Actually, I wouldn't mind TO pulling off on TO like celebration. Score a game winner against the Pens or Flyers and skate to center ice and celebrate on the teams logo.

Posted by: freakinandpeakin | March 20, 2009 11:40 AM | Report abuse

@heathj82

Я соглашаюсь с Вами

Posted by: opita1 | March 20, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

You people don't get it do you? You're "superstar" only cares about scoring. He'll never have more assists than goals, and that's fine, that's just how some players are. Ovie is all about himself, not his team. You wanna ignore that? Fine, I hope all his Maurice Richard trophies make up for the one he'll NEVER win until he starts putting the Caps first.
Just like Bossy and Wayne, oh, and Mario.

Posted by: youngblood8 | March 20, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

wow, ovie does cause a reaction. He is a diva. But aren't most great atheletes, almost by definition, people who like to have peoples' attention? I think Ovie would like to break the Canadian hegemony over the culture of hockey. I don't think he'll succeed in this, but I think it's natural for him to want to do it (even if he doesn't know this is what he is doing). It would be classy for him to call Tocchet and apologize, however. There was clearly no intention to insult, he was just being a goof with the gang he loves playing hockey with. That's the best thing about this team - they act like they like each other and they're having fun.


Posted by: WritingLight | March 20, 2009 11:54 AM | Report abuse

Obviously, Ovenchkin is a great talent and good for the league. That's a fact. But it's also a fact the Caps will be golfing in about three weeks, So let him have his fun. But just as he has every right to celebrate, every other player in the league has a right to turn his lights out. In the end, it doesn't matter because the soft Caps will bow out to a tougher, hungrier team just like they have throughout their history. I love it. Go Grapes. Go Flyers.Go Tocch!!!
BTW- I'd love to see Ovechkin try to celebrate on the Flyers logo after a goal.

Posted by: fkrewda | March 20, 2009 12:43 PM | Report abuse

Ok, i usually don't chime in, but i just have to on this.

To all those who don't like the celebration... here's a hug, a little kiss on the cheek... there do you feel better now? It's all gonna be ok.

Listen, like the celebration or not, pre-planned or not, Ovi is bringing excitement back to the NHL.

There have been tons of pre-planned goal celebrations through out the years. A guy just reached a huge milestone and set a caps record. I guarantee you that Ovi did this without any disrespect to anyone and any team. At least people now talk about the NHL with something other than a stick clubbing or a massive fight.

And Tocchet, you should be more upset that Ovi was 1 on 3 and that fact that your goalie was so deep in his net. You should also be more concerned about the way your team plays in your building, that's more disrespectful then what Ovi did.

Tocchet's just upset that he's already made his tee time for the day after the regular season ends.

And if Tocchet was playing now and tried to run him, well, i think we all know what would happen there. So Rick Tocchet, here's a hug and little kiss on the cheek for you as well. It's ok, it will all be OK.

I think we all know that this was a one time thing. He wants to put on a show no matter what and for a true hockey fan like myself, more power to you. I truly think hockey is the best sport in the world and i want everyone to know what a great sport hockey is.

Thank god for Ovi and bringing attention back to the NHL. He's more of the face of the NHL than Crosby is to me.

Just have to say this... I have been a life long Caps fan. My dad had season tickets in their first season, I was four years old going to games. Grew up watching them on channel 20 WDCA, i believe. I live on the west coast now and i watch every game on the NHL center ice package. I love this team and have hung in there thru good and bad. Oh my god are the caps my wife, i need help.

Posted by: natresgroup | March 20, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Wait wait wait, what exactly WOULD happen if Tocchet ran Ovechkin? I'd honestly like to hear your version of this. From a self-described "true" hockey fan. this should be hilarious if you or any Capitals fan ACTUALLY think Alex Ovechkin could do anything rough to Rick Tocchet when he was in his prime. Because if you actually followed hockey like you claim, that was a stupid remark and you know it.

Posted by: youngblood8 | March 20, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

youngblood8, youngblood8... just worry about kicking the puck to your stick in a penalty shot and not think about the past, just like rick does with his hair...

Ovi would not win in a fight, but if the two were to collide it would be explosive and I personally think Ovi would come out on top most of the time. I will give rick tocchet credit, he was a tough SOB but i guess that's something we'll never know the true answer to. so no that remark is not stupid as you say. If you honestly think, with the way Ovi hits, that tocchet would win every battle, than that, my mullet loving friend, would be stupid.

But it's nice to see some passion in hockey discussions. Again, let me give you a hug and kiss as well youngblood8. it will be ok. you can re-live all of rick tocchet's hits on an old VHS of some don cherry video.

oh, and if you don't get the movie reference up top, please change your screen name.

thank you.. and good night!

Posted by: natresgroup | March 20, 2009 2:27 PM | Report abuse

A) Why would I pick this name if I DIDN't understand it's undertone? I just gone done having tea with your mom, how's that for a reference?
B) "the way Ovie hits" Really? The man leaves his feet, has no technique and flys at people with speed.

See now I know you only watched hockey and never played. Look pal, I appreciate your love for the guy but honestly, in the hard hitting ice hockey being played in the late 70's through early 90's Ovie wouldn't last, none of these guys would.

And stop with the hug and kiss stuff man, it's not funny, you just seem ignorant and someone who can't articulate a good argument.

Posted by: youngblood8 | March 20, 2009 2:45 PM | Report abuse

@youngblood8:

Do clear up for all of us if you're a Caps fan or a troll. That way, we could try to understand your opinion or point of view, however petty they may sound.

For the record, we all express our joy and happiness differently. Some of us have that joy and happiness fill every fiber of our being and when we experience milestones in our lives, such as Ovi's 3rd 50 goal season, he's inclined to show that joy the way he does. Others, may find themselves worried about how they would look, such as yourself and that old coot Cherry, and be compelled to politely clap like a bunch of matron society ladies at an afternoon tea party (feel free to borrow some of Cherry's colorful wardrobe. I hear he has loads of that crap in his closet among other things).

Do allow us the pleasure to share in Ovi's joy and happiness. A majority of the Caps fans still love that Ovi is true to himself. For those of you who either crave additional reasons to hate on Ovi, on top of him dominating your teams "best" players, then have at it. You'll find yourself looking slightly stupid considering you're in the minority about Ovi doing what he does best and that's scoring those goals. Please, don't overlook the fact that he wouldn't have done it if he hadn't scored. Jealous, party of 1, youngblood1.

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | March 20, 2009 7:47 PM | Report abuse

ok, i have to address youngblood again, not that anyone will see this because this is over with...

ok, talk about ovi hitting... so you're saying that tocchet was a clean hitter, never left his feet and didn't hit anyone with speed? What, do you hit people standing still? So now i know YOU'VE never played hockey. And if you do play hockey and actually have "youngblood" as your screen name, i mean really, youngblood. You better stay along the boards, you might get run over. sorry couldn't pass up another reference.

And i'll tell you why i love and play hockey. For the skill it takes to play the game. Anybody can pick up a basketball, baseball or football and go out and play. not anybody can step on to the ice and skate and then put a stick in their hand and actually play the game.

The hockey now let's the skill of the hockey players shine. And don't get me wrong, i loved the hard hitting patrick division games. They were the best hockey in the league. And i'm certainly not a fan of some of these obstruction calls. But the game has evolved.

And saying that Ovi couldn't hang in 70's thru the 90's, i have to respectfully disagree. And if you can't see that someone with that skill, speed, strength and shot couldn't hang back in the day, then you REALLY don't know hockey. Don't tell me you're the guy who goes to games just for the fights are you?

How can you say i can't have an articulate argument? What was the argument? You are obviously still nursing at the teet of rick tocchet and yesteryear and came up with no real comeback other than grasping at "the past" straws. i just mentioned if tocchet took a run at ovi, we all know what would happen. and you decided to assume that i was saying ovi could "do something rough" to tocchet. I was merely saying that tocchet wouldn't come out on top, my personal opinion. But again, we'll never know the answer to this question unless we turned it into a computer simulation like in Rocky Balboa.

If you want to stay locked in the past and can't evolve with the game, please stop watching. Hockey will get a new fan, maybe someone who got turned onto hockey by watching how exciting ovechkin is.

And yes, i play hockey. i used to teach hockey in the D.C. area. Now i've done hockey stunt work for tv, giving and taking hits.

This is over. This is a no win, who can insult who conversation. And i'm over it. if you're not a caps fan, why read our news? Just stick with whatever team your following and leave us alone with your narrow minded thoughts on hockey.

again, here's a hug and kiss, because it really seems like you need them. i love you man... has anyone told you that lately? i love you, for being passionate about loving hockey. Good on you kid.

Posted by: natresgroup | March 21, 2009 5:19 AM | Report abuse

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