Network News

X My Profile
View More Activity
On Twitter: kcarrera and PostSports  |  Facebook  |  E-mail alerts: Sports and Redskins  |  RSS

More on the Schultz Q.O. Mix-Up

Okay, here's what I'm told about Jeff Schultz's qualifying offer controversy. First, it doesn't seem like there was much controversy, after all.

I'm told Schultz intended to re-sign with the Caps and did -- sort of.

All Q.O.s were supposed to be faxed to both the NHL and the team before the deadline of 5 p.m. yesterday. I'm hearing that the contract arrived at the NHL's central registry office, but it never came through at the Caps' headquarters in Arlington.

All the other Q.O.s came through at KCI yesterday, so I am to assume the fax machine is working out here.

Whatever the problem was, it's resolved now. Schultz is officially a member of the Caps again.

By Tarik El-Bashir  |  July 16, 2009; 11:31 AM ET
 
Save & Share:  Send E-mail   Facebook   Twitter   Digg   Yahoo Buzz   Del.icio.us   StumbleUpon   Technorati   Google Buzz   Previous: Schultz Signs Q.O.
Next: Woods Settling Into New Role With Caps

Comments

i kinda don't buy that

Posted by: _stevo | July 16, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

It still amazes me as to how often we still use fax machines. Seems like it should be an antiquated piece of technology.

Posted by: CDon | July 16, 2009 11:44 AM | Report abuse

that sucks i was hoping he would be gone.

Posted by: Bagher | July 16, 2009 11:46 AM | Report abuse

@Bagher

Why would you want him gone, we offered the QO, which means the tema wants him, at least for an asset to move for another player or pick.

Posted by: boomer44 | July 16, 2009 11:48 AM | Report abuse

All's well with the world...*sarcasm*...at least it's a 2-way...send him up I-83 for a while so he can maybe learn how to hit.

Posted by: R617 | July 16, 2009 11:52 AM | Report abuse

Great. Grand. Wonderful. Terrific.

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 16, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

@kitty

are we allowed to make Corey Masisack references here? ;)

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 11:53 AM | Report abuse

Let 'em try an' stop me :)

Posted by: kittypawz | July 16, 2009 11:57 AM | Report abuse

"
Do you keep an eye on what Washington is doing on the agents signing? They have signed Morrison, Gordon, Knuble...
Of course I do. So far I am happy, but I think GM George McPhee wil also try to sign a strong defenseman."

Q&A with Ovie. Could be talk, could be that a trade is still coming. better than letting too many NHL-guys collect dust in the AHL.


_______________________________________

@kitty

are we allowed to make Corey Masisack references here? ;)

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 11:53 AM |


This blog is updating like crazy right now!

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 11:58 AM | Report abuse

What the hell is a fax machine?

Scan it and email it...

Posted by: SA-Town | July 16, 2009 11:59 AM | Report abuse

F. I was hoping he wouldn't be back.

Posted by: eastporter | July 16, 2009 12:07 PM | Report abuse

Even if you guys don't want him, signing him was obviously the best choice. We would've received nothing in terms of a compensatory pick, since Schultz won't be making that much from any team.

Call for a sign-and-trade, call for him to be in Hershey...but offering him a relatively cheap QO was the best move for everyone.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:09 PM | Report abuse

I get contracts and task orders signed by the Exec Dir all the time. We scan them into a PDF. From there we can email it anywhere and everywhere all at the same time.

The PDF is accepted in courts, too - at least in the US. Maybe it's a Canadian issue?

Posted by: Greg S. | July 16, 2009 12:11 PM | Report abuse

Perhaps some here have a short memory about the injury trouble the Caps experienced last season? So, here are a couple of quotes from an article about Alzner from last February which point to the reason why it's important to have more 'D' men (including Schultz) than would seemingly be needed...

Alzner one of many Bears chipping in for Capitals


"...The Capitals are among the league leaders with more than 275 man-games lost to injury, and as a result have been forced to consistently dip into the reserve tank. The results not only have been encouraging, but are a big reason the team has remained atop the Southeast Division for virtually the entire season and is second in the Eastern Conference.

'We have some depth in the organization so (losing players to injury) hasn't really been the negative we all thought it would be,' Capitals General Manager George McPhee told NHL.com. 'In fact, it's been an opportunity for (coach) Bruce (Boudreau) and management to get a look at some of the younger players. There are certain nights where those players provided energy where needed. I remember one stretch of four or five weeks where every day when we arrived at the office, Bruce wasn't sure who was in or who was out or even what the line combinations or defense pairings would be.'..."

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 12:12 PM | Report abuse

trade nylander and theodore to detroit to replace conklin and hudler!!!!! then sign fernandez or biron, morris and williams!

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 16, 2009 12:15 PM | Report abuse

Call for a sign-and-trade, call for him to be in Hershey...but offering him a relatively cheap QO was the best move for everyone.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:09 PM

Bingo. $715 for a D-man that, for the last 3 years is +5, +12, +13, is a bargain. Whether or not he stays, well that's to be seen.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

trade nylander and theodore to detroit to replace conklin and hudler!!!!! then sign fernandez or biron, morris and williams!

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 16, 2009 12:15 PM |
LOL. Email GMGM and let them know this is what is supposed to happen.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:21 PM | Report abuse

The two-way deal indicates that the Caps front office sees him spending time down in Hersey....he's at least insurance in the event of an injury or if Carlson needs more seasoning down at Hershey. The fact that Schultz didn't play hardly at all in the playoffs despite all of the other injuries on defense is pretty telling of how little confidence BB had in him.

My guess is that the Caps wanted him as an asset for a potential trade but he's not part of the long-range plan for our D. His impact on the team's salary cap is minimal if he makes it with the big club.

Posted by: wizfan89 | July 16, 2009 12:22 PM | Report abuse

See, I find it funny how people on here want to get rid of players. As MetalCapsFan pointed out, it is never a bad thing to have depth at a position. Besides, it is a two way contract and that gives him time to develop this year in chocolate country...

This is probably why most of the people on this and other boards don't have NHL teams knocking down their door to GM for them... Cause we all are fans, not GM's... :)

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 12:24 PM | Report abuse

Would he have to clear waivers if sent to Hershey?

Posted by: PensFan98 | July 16, 2009 12:29 PM | Report abuse


trade nylander and theodore to detroit to replace conklin and hudler!!!!! then sign fernandez or biron, morris and williams!

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 16, 2009 12:15 PM |
LOL. Email GMGM and let them know this is what is supposed to happen.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:21 PM |

Phil,

Come on, you know Ken Holland wants to make that deal...wow.....

Posted by: opus1m | July 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

If he has to, then he is never going to be waived unless he really, really, really stunk to the point of no teams wanting him.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:31 PM | Report abuse

Wizfan

"The fact that Schultz didn't play hardly at all in the playoffs despite all of the other injuries on defense is pretty telling of how little confidence BB had in him."

Think Schultz's broken rib might have come into play as well?

Posted by: Steve_R | July 16, 2009 12:39 PM | Report abuse

@PensFan98: Yes, Schultz is waiver-eligible.

And folks, this means he's not going to Hershey, because most GM's aren't stupid and will claim a 6'6" Dman posting +12 and +13 in a heartbeat. Sorry, guys.

@wizfan89: No. The only RFA who got a one-way deal is ShaMo. That two-way deal is meant as flexibility - in case you hadn't noticed, our blueline looks a little like Times Square on New Year's Eve, and training camp is going to be something like a steel cage match.

Posted by: kittypawz | July 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Yes schultz would have to clear waivers before going to Hershey, and yes just about every team in the league would snatch him up in a heartbeat because other GM's in the league are a lot smarter than the yahoo's that post here nowadays.

Why on earth would you want to give up a young 6'6 d-man, who has been first or second on the team in +/-, plays against the other teams best lines and whose best days are ahead of him. Especially when he costs a fraction above the league minimum?

NYI gave up on Charra after his 4th season in the league. How did that work out for them? I'm not saying Schultz is a lock to be a Norris winner, but he should only get better and more effective as he gets more experience and his confidence grows.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | July 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

NYI gave up on Charra after his 4th season in the league. How did that work out for them? I'm not saying Schultz is a lock to be a Norris winner, but he should only get better and more effective as he gets more experience and his confidence grows.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | July 16, 2009 12:41 PM |

MM.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:44 PM | Report abuse

Thank the good lord! I was worried we would have to leave his jock strap along the boards as a reminder of many forwards gone by- now we can see it again in person!

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

"Don't Quit Your Day Jobs", as the saying goes. It doesn't appear as if many of you will be called up to assist with recruiting, front office or coaching responsibilities any time soon. I know that many of you may find that difficult to comprehend given your expertise with regard to hockey-related matters.

For the rest of you eager to see how the rest of Development Camp goes; pleased that our boys have resigned with our team; and otherwise, thrilled to have such an exciting and dynamic team to watch next season...I'm all ears!!

Posted by: Caps16Fan | July 16, 2009 12:46 PM | Report abuse

I am eager about Development Camp.

Keep hearing that Orlov is really standing out now.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 12:51 PM | Report abuse

well at least it's only $715k as opposed to ShaMo's $2 million...

Posted by: sargeantmofo | July 16, 2009 12:54 PM | Report abuse

Why are people upset about this? It's a two-way deal. It gives Schultz another chance to develop and allows the Caps to leave him in Hershey if he fails to make progress.

I enjoy the armchair GM attempts, but they make me seriously wonder how many people on here even knew that Washington had a hockey team prior to Ovie's arrival.

Posted by: HeShootsHeScores | July 16, 2009 12:57 PM | Report abuse

Schultz will not be in Hershey, nor should he be. He would never get through waivers and the Caps will not just give up on him like that.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | July 16, 2009 12:59 PM | Report abuse

A lot of blueliners - who sits for Alzner and Carlson?

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 16, 2009 1:00 PM | Report abuse

lyle,

Unless Carlson has a monster camp, I'd expect him to be in PA for most of the year.

Posted by: Steve_R | July 16, 2009 1:02 PM | Report abuse

richmondphil - I caught the first 30 min of yesterday's scrimmage and Orlov was pretty good in my opinion. He'll need some time to work on getting used to the size of the rinks, but he made a nice open ice hit on a breakaway that probably saved a goal.

Posted by: superpaqman | July 16, 2009 1:07 PM | Report abuse

I like this move a lot. Schultz has all the talent and size and the world he just hasnt had the heart yet to use either of them. So I think it is good to give him one more year, if he cant get it together he will be a valuable addition to the Bears.

Posted by: peteywheatstraw | July 16, 2009 1:10 PM | Report abuse

From Wikipedia....

Beginning in the 2009-10 season, any player making a minimum of $105,000 in the minors, must go through re-entry or recallable waivers before joining the NHL club again. If another team acquires the player on re-entry waivers, both the team that acquired the player and the team that placed that player on re-entry waivers, would split 50:50 on the remainder of the player's current contract and the amounts to both teams would count towards the team's respective salary cap.

Link Here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NHL_Salary_Cap#Waivers

Shultz is with us in the big club...

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 1:16 PM | Report abuse

How do people sit here and say he has all the talent in the world, and all the heart, etc. He is 6'6" and he cant hit at all. They claim he has gained weight in muscle and put on a good build, yet Chris Bourque hits harder than him? He cant keep the puck in the blue line. His patented "half slapper" might go in if we are lucky enough to have a goalie who had to sneeze. The only reason his +/- rating is so good is because he is always on during the PK, or when Ovechkin is on. It is almost embarrasing that the team has put so much stock in him. We have a mess on the Blue line right now. With Schultz gone that opened up room for Alzner, and possibly a few appearances from Carlson. When Schultz can start playing his size AND proving that he has been in the NHL for almost more than one season, then he will be worth the money he is paid. And how can you compare him to Chara? Chara put on the size needed and became one of the best defensemen in the league over the same time that Schultz has had the chance to.

Posted by: capsfan55 | July 16, 2009 1:25 PM | Report abuse

Here's the D for this coming season (in alphabetical order). 3 too many.

1. Alzner
2. Carlson
3. Erskine
4. Jucina
5. Morrisonn
6. Poti
7. Pothier
8. Schultz
9. Sloan
10. Plus OV's Big Defenseman - "I think GM George McPhee will also try to sign a strong defenseman."

Scratch 2 or 3 of these guys off the list at the start of the season.

Given - Sloan to Hershey.

If 10. happens via trade (who's left to sign that fits this description), Alzner, Jucina, Schultz or Poti are off the list. Maybe two at most.

I don't think Carlson, Erskine, Green, or Pothier will be moved.

Posted by: puckman | July 16, 2009 1:34 PM | Report abuse

Schultz is 23. He still has potential to improve. At that price, he's worth another yr.

Posted by: cbs75 | July 16, 2009 1:36 PM | Report abuse

capsfan
schultz is 23 and just finished his second full season in the league. chara wasnt chara when he was the same age and had the same experience. again, not saying shultz will ever be chara. but lets not suggest that chara was some dominating dman in his first few years. he was a big specimin who was not more than a pylon with a good reach and a big slapper.

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 16, 2009 1:44 PM | Report abuse

Dear Santa:

I've been a real good boy this year. I hope you've been watching. All I want for Christmas this year is the opportunity to buy 10 minutes of ice time for any nay-sayer on this list. Just so that we can see THEIR hitting skills and let them take one boarding by those they seem to be able to dismiss based on watching tv.

I hope you like the cookies.

Posted by: jdhoover | July 16, 2009 1:45 PM | Report abuse

wizfan89: During the locker clean out day at Kettler BB said that Schultz did not play in playoffs because he had a broken rib. He didn't specify if he was trying to play Game 1 against the Rangers with a broken rib, or if he broke a rib when he ate it. Nonetheless, BB stated Schultz was not benched, he was unavailable.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 16, 2009 1:53 PM | Report abuse

"The only reason his +/- rating is so good is because he is always on during the PK..."

I'm a bit confused as to how this would help his +/-. I attribute my confusion to the gallon of wine I had last night, but could someone enlighten me anyway?

Posted by: Fro_ | July 16, 2009 1:58 PM | Report abuse

@Fro_

The point above was that Schultz's + was good because a) he was on the ice when Ovechkin was a lot, which naturally means goals and b) since a high percentage of his time was spent on the penalty kill, he wasn't getting a lot of - (you don't get a minus if the other team is on the power play when they score on you). Doesn't mean there weren't a lot of goals going in, just means that they didn't count against his +/-.

(I am not verifying any of these statistics, it's just what I made of the claim.)

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 16, 2009 2:02 PM | Report abuse

@fanohock1

Yeah, signs still point to BB having faith in Schultz and,to be honest, I do, too. I don't expect him to be Chara, I think that's ridiculous, but he could compete for that 6th or 7th D spot, behind what I have as Green, Mo, Juice, Erskine, Poti. The Pothier/Alzner/Carlson/Schultz can fill in the other slots. Sloan to Hershey.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 16, 2009 2:04 PM | Report abuse

@jdhoover: That was my Christmas wish earlier this month too! Though my wish involved the naysayers suiting up as goalie and all the Caps, including Theo and Johnson, get a crack and shooting off some pucks at them as fast as the naysayers are calling for their dismissal. Great minds think alike! =)

Posted by: LeftCoastCapsFan | July 16, 2009 2:06 PM | Report abuse

There are always going to be players on your team that as a fan you say WTF. Schultz is going to be one of those guys for you nay sayers. I am not sure how closely you watched the match-ups during the regular season against the Pens but BB had Green/Schultz out against Malkin. Now, say what you will about the Pens, but the only other player dominating the league as much as OV right now is Malkin and Sarge shut him down pretty good. Schultz is patient, all arms and legs, and gets in the way. Malkin would much rather have aggresive defenseman commiting early to make his move and leave them in the dust. Schultz doesn't do it with finesse but he gets it done.

Although Carlson is looking more NHL ready than anyone else he will probably spend most of the season in Hershey if the Caps don't have injury issues. The same word came out of last year's camp for Alzner. He went down for good once all the injured players came back. I know there are rookie reason as far as number of games and things like that, but the fact is, if BB and GMGM felt we were a better team with Alzner he wouldn't have gone back down. Don't get me wrong, I think Carlson is already playing well but he even made young guy mistakes in the 2 playoff games I saw last month in Hershey. He was big and fast enough to correct those mistakes for the most part. If he would have the outlet pass mistakes I saw, up here on the PK with Malkin and Cindy on the ice the puck would have been in the back of the net. He's our future, but he needs more AHL time.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

If anyone has been to development camp, how has Hauswirth looked??

Posted by: ThePat | July 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

Thanks SmallZ827.

I get how the +/- works, so I thought perhaps it was being implied we were getting a lot of SH goals or something- which no team really does (except maybe the flyers). As far as being on the ice a lot with #8, I'm not sure I'm buying that argument. Is this based on an actual stat, or just coming from one's memory of 82 games last year? Really not being argumentative, genuinely curious.

Posted by: Fro_ | July 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse

@lyle - that was the funniest thing I've read in a long time.

@hbcapsfan - your wikipedia states if Schultz is in Hershey and is called up to the Caps then he'd have clear reentry waivers. It doesn't say anything about sending him down there. I'm not so sure he has to clear waivers to go down there but I'll do a littl research and find out.

As far as Schultz is concerned - yes I am one who is not supportive of Schultz but if you look at my comments they are all based on him being a full time Cap this year. Hey I'm all for sending the guy down and seeing if he can develope into a regular NHL Dman. Yes he is 23 and he's got everything you can't teach a guy (size etc). While I don't THINK he's gonna develope into a 1-4 full time Dman, I'm not so ignorant to think that the possibility doesn't exist. At less than 800k he's certainly an asset that can either develope or be traded so hey good for us. Lets just stop the Chara comparisons. Other than size there is no comparison to Schultz's skillset to that of Chara's at this stage in his career. Maybe he'll be a late bloomer like Juice or Erskine. Both of them have turned out to be very servicable Dmen.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

@Fro_

Like I said, I don't know the stats to back up the other person's claims. I like to watch hockey and make decisions for myself, I don't think stats matter quite as much. If I need a stats fix I turn to baseball.

Posted by: SmallZ827 | July 16, 2009 2:13 PM | Report abuse

Schultz=Dubinsky

Posted by: lylewimbledon | July 16, 2009 2:14 PM | Report abuse

The CBA requires the teams to use fax or courier to send their qualifying offers. If they are sent by mail, often the players don't receive them by the deadline date-- and the union can file a grievance. That is why faxes are still used- the CBA requires them.

Posted by: shogun_5 | July 16, 2009 2:17 PM | Report abuse

There are always going to be players on your team that as a fan you say WTF. Schultz is going to be one of those guys for you nay sayers. I am not sure how closely you watched the match-ups during the regular season against the Pens but BB had Green/Schultz out against Malkin. Now, say what you will about the Pens, but the only other player dominating the league as much as OV right now is Malkin and Sarge shut him down pretty good. Schultz is patient, all arms and legs, and gets in the way. Malkin would much rather have aggresive defenseman commiting early to make his move and leave them in the dust. Schultz doesn't do it with finesse but he gets it done.

Although Carlson is looking more NHL ready than anyone else he will probably spend most of the season in Hershey if the Caps don't have injury issues. The same word came out of last year's camp for Alzner. He went down for good once all the injured players came back. I know there are rookie reason as far as number of games and things like that, but the fact is, if BB and GMGM felt we were a better team with Alzner he wouldn't have gone back down. Don't get me wrong, I think Carlson is already playing well but he even made young guy mistakes in the 2 playoff games I saw last month in Hershey. He was big and fast enough to correct those mistakes for the most part. If he would have the outlet pass mistakes I saw, up here on the PK with Malkin and Cindy on the ice the puck would have been in the back of the net. He's our future, but he needs more AHL time.

Posted by: fanohock1 | July 16, 2009 2:09 PM | Report abuse


AMEN!!! Like I mentioned on another board, how long will it take for the naysayers to jump all over Carlson and ask him to follow Pothier into the volcano when he makes the inevitable rookie mistakes. Let's give Carlson/Alzner time to develop with the Bears, where they are sure to get plenty of ice time, and bring them along slowly instead of throwing them in the NHL fire.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 2:20 PM | Report abuse

@SmallZ827

Ya I'm with you on stats. Perhaps I'm seeing something a little different in Schultz. I can certainly recall myself shouting at the TV for some of his mistakes, but I also recall many more times shouting at Green. And no, this is not a Schultz/Green debate. I'm just saying that for $715K, we got a hell of a deal in JS.

Is it October yet?

Posted by: Fro_ | July 16, 2009 2:21 PM | Report abuse

No one would expect a fan to compete with professional hockey players, just as you wouldn't expect professional hockey players to be web designers, accountants, or whatever work we do. But frustrated Cap fans should be able to vent just as much as contented Cap fans. Different opinions, back and forth banter, and even disagreements are posted. That's what makes this an open board for Cap fans.

Like BB said the other day on the radio, it's July in DC and we're talking hockey, so it's a good thing!

Posted by: bagace | July 16, 2009 2:25 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop with the insane Chara comparisons?

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM | Report abuse

How about Manute Bol then?

Posted by: DaleHunter | July 16, 2009 2:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey Puckman, you wanna include Green on that list of d-men? Or his he getting traded along with Theo and Nylander...Ya two bit dago

Posted by: broud0 | July 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: eorr53 | July 16, 2009 2:54 PM | Report abuse

@Puckman,

Remember Jurcina isn't signed. In theory, he can win his arb and the Caps can walk away.

Posted by: oldtimehockey | July 16, 2009 2:56 PM | Report abuse

The Chara comparisons come from similar stats and +/- at the same age. Chara was a stiff and meek d-man for his early years, that is why the Isles gave up on him. Big mistake, right? They are both taller than the average NHLer, althought Chara is the tallest I can rememeber. Schultz is the same height as Pronger, but Pronger was a lottery pick with a mean streak. Now I must say I do not think Schultz will ever be on the same level as a Pronger or a Chara, but d-men, especially ones that tall , atke longer to develop. The have to learn to use their reach, and their positional angles because they don't have the quickness for a Scott Stevens devestating check.

Bottom line is that Schultz played at the #4 D-man spot last year, and is definitely in the 4-5 range on this team. He still needs some development, we have a new d coach this year, so let's see what happens. It will give time for Alzner and Carlson to continue to develop, probably in the AHL. We could also work a trrade closer to the start of the season by trading a couple of the d-men in a deal to bring a stay at home veteran d-man.

I don't have a problem with people not liking Schultz, but to let him go for nothing would be huge mistake, at least he is an asset. I also believe he would have to clear waivers to go to Hershey. He will be in the NHL this season.

Posted by: boomer44 | July 16, 2009 3:02 PM | Report abuse

Can we please stop with the insane Chara comparisons?

Posted by: Hatfield223 | July 16, 2009 2:29 PM

Okay, since I stirred the pot with this (statistical) comparison between Schultz/Chara, I'll repost the numbers again for those that didn't see them. I didn't mean to suggest that their styles of play were similar (or would ever be), just that at the same age and amount of time spent in the NHL, the key stats that we use to compare players were remarkably similar. The discussion got rather convoluted after that point. So, take a look:

Chara's stat line for the season he turned 23:

1999-00 Islanders

Games played: 65
Goals: 2
Assists: 9
Pts: 11
Plus/minus: -27
PIM: 57
Avg. Time on Ice: 22:52

Chara's numbers for the following season are very similar (though his PIMs went way up).

Schultz's stats for the season he turned 23:

2008-09 Capitals

Games Played: 64
Goals: 1
Assists: 11
Pts: 12
Plus/minus: 13
PIM: 21
Avg. Time on Ice: 19:46

I'm sure there's a more applicable comparison to Schultz in terms of his general demeanor, but using Chara as a gauge made sense from a body size perspective. That, and the fact that, much like Schultz in the present, a lotta people gave up on Chara before he settled in with the Bruins after the lockout. Yeah, Schultz is no Chara, just intriguing to see how closely their early career numbers paralleled each other.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

Regarding the questions of why fax machines are still being used for sending out qualifying offers -- the league collective bargaining agreement (CBA) requires it. If the QOs are sent out by mail, the player might recieve them after the deadline-- that would trigger a greiveance by the union. Just ask the former Blackhawk GM, who did just that, and has greatly complicated the Chicago future in signing their young stars. He lost his job within a couple of days after the fiasco came to light.

Posted by: shogun_5 | July 16, 2009 3:04 PM | Report abuse

@broudo

Yes, I left him off the List of 10 but my mistake. However, I did state at the end "I don't think Carlson, Erskine, Green, or Pothier will be moved." Read the entire posting.

As for your name calling - keep on being an imbecile! Another troll has arrived.

Posted by: puckman | July 16, 2009 3:07 PM | Report abuse

YEAH ITS time to talk Hockey again,

ok so not a big Schultz fan, but I argee with some of you, IF he plays better this season he will be a good trade asset. I hope that GMGM does think of him as a strong Defensemen the guy is softer than melted butter.

As for Gordon and Knubble I like that, but someone please tell me is Alzner going to get a change this year. What is with GMGM, he says that he doesn't want to bring big names in because he wants to rely on the system that they have built in Hershey. But lets face the truth here, they are not going to bring these guys up for long term because as organization is worried about weather those guys can handle the pressure.

I don't think that its a bad Idea to bring them in slowly but lets not kill their hopes Alzner, Beagle, Sloan, and Osala all played well in the regular season. And lets face it the Caulder Cup is not important if the team doesn't win a Stanley Cup.

Posted by: HockeyFarmer | July 16, 2009 3:11 PM | Report abuse

Sha-Mo is definitely not the flashiest D-man out there, but he does what he's supposed to. A far cry better than when I have to watch Juice throw the puck over the glass or grab a winger from behind.

Carlson may be NHL ready, but I'm betting he doesn't start. Ala Alzner last year...

It's funny, everyone knows Defenders bloom later than wingers.. but with all the young defenders we have, we are talking about shipping them out? Seems like a scenario where we later realize it bit us in the butt.

People talk about the pieces, but I think the Caps had a cup winning caliber team last year, and that with another year experience, we are only going to get better, especially on our blue line.

We need to enjoy our bounty of riches this year, because after the next 2 years of RFA and UFA signings, we may start to really be hindered by the salary cap.

Posted by: fricknoutstandin | July 16, 2009 3:12 PM | Report abuse

Poker Face,
Why would you send Shultz down to the AHL if upon attmepting to bring him back up, he could be grabbed by another team?

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 3:20 PM | Report abuse

What is with GMGM, he says that he doesn't want to bring big names in because he wants to rely on the system that they have built in Hershey. But lets face the truth here, they are not going to bring these guys up for long term because as organization is worried about weather those guys can handle the pressure.

Posted by: HockeyFarmer | July 16, 2009

Organizational depth charts, salary cap considerations (especially next year onwards), the need for the young guys to get more experience - those are more likely reasons why the Capitals haven't brought more Bears to DC. As it is, a handful of current Caps have spent time in Hershey, so there is some hope for upward mobility for the rest.

Check out the chart in this post by Stephen Pepper on Japers' Rink which shows how each post-lockout SC Champ was built. The Caps balance of players acquired via draft, FA, and trades is right in line with those teams. So, patience, grasshoppers, patience...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 3:32 PM | Report abuse

@eorr53: LOL!!!!

Great video of the "pens"!

Posted by: dccitizen1 | July 16, 2009 3:48 PM | Report abuse

Excellent read MetalCapsFan!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 3:50 PM | Report abuse

metalcap,
good comparison and makes the point that at 23 its pretty early to give up on a guy, particularly if they have to deal with physical issues like height.

to be fair to charra though, the 99-00 islanders sucked pretty hard...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

@MetalCapsFan
You bring up an interesting point. My only issue is you have to look at the team comparison as well. 99-00 Islanders had a record of 24-49-8-1 (according to wikipedia), and got 58 points. The 08-09 Caps were 50-24-8, and got 108 points. 99-00 Islanders were last in their division and 13th in the Conference, so no playoffs. 08-09 Capitals were a true second in the conference, Leaders of the division, and made it to game 7 of the 2nd round. Two completely different teams. It is a good comparison, but given the team Chara had to play with it does not say a whole lot.

Posted by: capsfan55 | July 16, 2009 4:21 PM | Report abuse

NYI gave up on Charra after his 4th season in the league. How did that work out for them? I'm not saying Schultz is a lock to be a Norris winner, but he should only get better and more effective as he gets more experience and his confidence grows.

Posted by: SombreroGuy | July 16, 2009 12:41 PM | Report abuse

Using that logic, then no team should ever give up on any player unless that player has been there for several years without blossoming. I think we've seen enough of Schultz and if you look at his track record going back to juniors with Calgary you'll see that the predominant weakness in his game has been a constant -- he's physically and mentally weak.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 4:26 PM | Report abuse

metalcap,
good comparison and makes the point that at 23 its pretty early to give up on a guy, particularly if they have to deal with physical issues like height.

to be fair to charra though, the 99-00 islanders sucked pretty hard...

Posted by: dcsportsfan1 | July 16, 2009 4:18 PM | Report abuse

Chara was still better than Schultz was even in those early years - and he learned quickly. He also did a better job of standing up for himself and his teammates.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 4:27 PM | Report abuse

The Chara comparisons come from similar stats and +/- at the same age. Chara was a stiff and meek d-man for his early years, that is why the Isles gave up on him. Big mistake, right?

Lets clarify something -- Chara wasn't anywhere near as "meek" as Schultz is. If he had been as meek in his early years, then yes I'd say this comparison could have some validity (even though anyone in their right mind would never assume Schultz could be as physically imposing punishing and intimidating as Chara is today).

Chara has come a long way in his strength, balance and physicality, but he was still much more aggressive in those early yrs than Schultz. Schultz will always be a more timid player than he needs to be in order to reach full potential - thats the sad part. Its his mental makeup that bleeds over into his physical (or lack of) game. Before anyone states that you don't have to be an aggressive player to be good, fine. But thats a different argument.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 4:38 PM | Report abuse

METALCAPSFAN thanks for the insight I didn't think of it that way, sometimes I can't see the forest for the trees. Thanks

Posted by: HockeyFarmer | July 16, 2009 4:44 PM | Report abuse

That, and the fact that, much like Schultz in the present, a lotta people gave up on Chara before he settled in with the Bruins after the lockout. Yeah, Schultz is no Chara, just intriguing to see how closely their early career numbers paralleled each other.

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 3:03 PM | Report abuse

lol, thats simply not true. A lot of people gave up on Chara prior to him joining the Bruins? thats nutty- Chara was already established in Ottawa which is why even the Caps made a big run to go get him. The Isles drafted and failed to develop 2 key players - Bertuzzi and Chara. But both players were still aggressive guys prior to being developed by other teams. They got more aggressive, bigger, stronger, improved their skating and added some polish to their games. Schultz is not an aggressive type of player. His development may consist of perhaps becoming a better more balanced skater (esp when skating backwards where he consistently trips over his own blueline). And he will add more strength which for him is not an easy process. He gets marginally stronger every year. But he's not going to become a prototypical rugged blueliner who uses his size to his full advantage. He's still overall a finesse defenseman. And considering he's not an offensive defenseman, do you really want to develop a finesse defenseman as a defensive specialist? kooky man

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 4:46 PM | Report abuse

Posted by: broud0 | July 16, 2009 2:43 PM | Report abuse

Crosby and Malkin splitting up???? http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2009/07/16/bush.gay.penguins.kron


+++++++++++++
We knew Cindy was a real queen, and now we know am Malkin plays for both teams.

LOL!! Classic.

Posted by: washingtonpost31 | July 16, 2009 4:47 PM | Report abuse

Schultz just needs to train with a former Olympic wrestling champion in the offseason.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Hey look every one, a dead horse, who wants to beat it some more????? I think the Chara comparison is dead now. It was taking out of context and blew up from there. the original post said nothing other that Chara developed alot after his 4 year in the league at age 23. That is all.

I know some one wants to beat it some more, Takers???

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

Tarik via twitter:

Gustafsson suffers cut to head after colliding with post during a hard, multi player pileup. Lots of blood. Helped off.5 minutes ago from TwitterBerry

Kid's cursed.

Posted by: thiazzi | July 16, 2009 4:54 PM | Report abuse

bummer about Anton - i think this is his 2nd collision with the net now. He sounded relieved he didn't get hurt after his 1st collision, his back held up

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 4:57 PM | Report abuse

Hey look every one, a dead horse, who wants to beat it some more????? I think the Chara comparison is dead now. It was taking out of context and blew up from there. the original post said nothing other that Chara developed alot after his 4 year in the league at age 23. That is all.

I know some one wants to beat it some more, Takers???

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 4:50 PM | Report abuse

well why the heck didn't someone say this before!! lol
but seriously, if this is going to be the argument every time one of our prospects seem to have hit their ceiling, then its not going to work because there's no countering that argument.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

Mike Milbury again. Isles did a lot more than just miss out on Bertuzzi and Chara.....


_____________________________


Why are people upset about this? It's a two-way deal. It gives Schultz another chance to develop and allows the Caps to leave him in Hershey if he fails to make progress.

I enjoy the armchair GM attempts, but they make me seriously wonder how many people on here even knew that Washington had a hockey team prior to Ovie's arrival.

Posted by: HeShootsHeScores | July 16, 2009 12:57 PM |

A two-way contract does not mean they don't need to go through waivers. Did you just discover hockey at Ovie's arrival? All a two-way indicates is a salary difference.

Carry on...

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 5:10 PM | Report abuse

well why the heck didn't someone say this before!! lol
but seriously, if this is going to be the argument every time one of our prospects seem to have hit their ceiling, then its not going to work because there's no countering that argument.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 5:01 PM | Report abuse

I know, but just was bored and thought I could add a little humour to the bickering that is going on right now.

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 5:12 PM | Report abuse

well why the heck didn't someone say this before!! lol
but seriously, if this is going to be the argument every time one of our prospects seem to have hit their ceiling, then its not going to work because there's no countering that argument.

Posted by: cstanton1

A dead horse is a dead horse. You guys have given every possible argument to be given and you're just repeating yourselves. But you BOD types have a tendency to do that. Another good message board ruined

Posted by: tempusfugitrgv | July 16, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Enough with the barbs about folks only becoming interested in hockey after Ovie's arrival...does it really make a difference? Are they (we) lesser fans because of it? Do we support the team differently? We're all here listening to you, with respect, help us learn what we need to know without sounding so condescending.

Why can't we all just get along?

Posted by: Caps16Fan | July 16, 2009 5:16 PM | Report abuse

Um, it was a knock on him. He was the one to blather on about it. Sarcasm man, I know it's hard to pick up on the internet sometimes though.

Posted by: richmondphil | July 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Shultz has as good of a chance as making the all-star team next year as anybody else.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Anybody standing up for Schultz right now clearly didn't watch many games last year. He was consistently the slowest guy on the ice and his +/- is not indicative of his performance. I mean, the Caps were one of the highest scoring teams in the league. Theo had 30 wins for gods sake!

I'd much rather have Alzner, Carlson, Sloan or Collins on D rather than watching Schultz get burned out there on a nightly basis. I hope they plan on trading him or sending him down to Hershey

Posted by: capz_hockey | July 16, 2009 5:32 PM | Report abuse

Shultz has as good of a chance as making the all-star team next year as anybody else.

Posted by: SA-Town | July 16, 2009 5:20 PM | Report abuse

Good one....

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 5:34 PM | Report abuse

Hey, I will be the first to admit that I have a renewed interest in the Caps since Ovie. I used to go to games with my Aunt when I was in High School and when Pitt had Jagr and Lemeuix. Had a Pens fan in my math class that I could not stand. That is where my pure hatred for the flightless foul comes from. After the SC loss in 98, I kinda fell out of watching Hockey. New Wife, New kid, just couldn't find the time.

Now that Ovie is here, I am right back into again, Much to the displeasure of my wife... :)

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 5:37 PM | Report abuse

Besides, what other team in this area is worth my time, let alone my money???? NONE!

Posted by: hbcapsfan | July 16, 2009 5:39 PM | Report abuse

ok so back to Schultz...

lets open this up for discussion. What color panties does he wear?

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 5:43 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1:
brilliant comment - just can't let it go can you

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

On a totally un-Schultz related subject: anyone ever wonder if Corey feels lonely over there at the Times? Nobody ever posts comments on his blog, even when he writes about different things than are available here. No dis to Tarik, Lindsay, et al, but wouldn't it be a kind gesture to give the other Caps beat writer in town some love? (No, I don't work for the Times and I'm no relation to Mr. Masisak)

Anyway, with the way things occasionally tend to devolve over here on C.I., wouldn't it be nice to have a refuge until things settle down a bit? Just sayin'...

Posted by: MetalCapsFan | July 16, 2009 6:01 PM | Report abuse

If he plays poorly enough to get sent to Hershey, he certainly could clear waivers, especially in the salary cap era. Maybe he needs some time in the AHL just to gain some confidence? Regardless, if he plays poorly enough to earn a trip to Hershey, I doubt anyone would be upset if he gets claimed.

I just do not understand how anyone views this as a bad deal for the Caps. That was the basis for the comment about arm chair GMs.

Posted by: HeShootsHeScores | July 16, 2009 6:17 PM | Report abuse

Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a Schultz-fan!

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

Schultz cannot skate...a considerable liability for a defenseman...and anyone who watched him go ass over tea kettle against the Rangers in the playoffs has to know...He's a Hershey Bear on his best day.

Posted by: naptowner1 | July 16, 2009 6:21 PM | Report abuse

"If he plays poorly enough to get sent to Hershey, he certainly could clear waivers"

There's a disconnect here - I think a lot of fans really dislike Schultz but the same sentiment may not be shared by McPhee/Boudreau. Well, at least not by McPhee. Bruce does restrict Schultz's ice time here and there when he makes some egregious mistakes. And with Carlson now in the wings, Bruce may have less of a fondness for Sarge. My personal feeling however is that McPhee is a big Schultz fan and it'll take a lot for him to put the big guy thru waivers. If he needs to make room, it may be Erskine who already cleared waivers twice recently.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 6:24 PM | Report abuse

For a big guy he's not a bad skater overall, his weakness is skating backwards. Always has been. He loses his balance more than another player on this team when he has to skate backwards.

Another weakness (not related to his lack of physicality) is his inability to keep the puck in the zone. It jumps over his stick constantly. His hand/eye coordination seems very weak and is compounded by the fact he's a tall beanpole and thus its harder to control the puck on your stick.

Posted by: cstanton1 | July 16, 2009 6:27 PM | Report abuse

cstanton1
Dammit Jim, I'm a doctor not a Schultz-fan!

your best post ever!

Posted by: Capt_Kirk_in_AZ | July 16, 2009 6:32 PM | Report abuse

capz_hockey,

the slowest Cap by far is Erskine... you really should have your eyes checked if you see Schultz as the slowest guy on the ice.

Posted by: joek443 | July 16, 2009 7:42 PM | Report abuse

Puckma'am

I know you ya know...And your an actual troll. Those ears are unbelievable.If you are going to waste our time with your silly lists, then at least be accurate is all i'm sayin

Posted by: broud0 | July 17, 2009 12:45 AM | Report abuse

Cstanton - probably the same color that Jagr wears.

Posted by: pokerfaceI208 | July 17, 2009 1:24 AM | Report abuse

Do the caps still want kaberle

Posted by: gocaps01 | July 17, 2009 10:04 AM | Report abuse

The comments to this entry are closed.

 
 
RSS Feed
Subscribe to The Post

© 2010 The Washington Post Company